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OKAY.[I) Call Meeting to Order and Roll Call]
GOOD EVENING.TODAY IS TUESDAY MAY 12TH, AND THE TIME IS 6:31 PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COPELAND? HERE.
[II) Approval of Minutes]
ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
WE NEED A MOTION TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APRIL 14TH MINUTES FROM COMMISSIONER CFU AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COPELAND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NEXT UP, WE HAVE OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS EARLY IN THE AGENDA OF REGULAR MEETINGS.
SPEAKERS ARE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME PERIOD ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTER CONCERNING CITY BUSINESS, AND THEY MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[IV) Welcome and Introduction of New Commissioner]
WE HAVE AN EXCITING THING.AN INTRODUCTION OF A NEW COMMISSIONER, RICHARD HILDRETH, SEAT SEVEN.
YEAH, I DID PUT A SMALL SLIDESHOW TOGETHER, BUT IF, IF YOU WANTED TO SEE.
BUT YES, WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER.
WE'RE, UH, FULLY, FULLY, UM, STAFFED ON OUR, UH, COMMISSION.
WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE, UH, MR. RESS, UH, JOIN US.
HE'S GOT SOME GREAT EXPERIENCE, UM, ALREADY KIND OF IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, AND HE'S CURRENTLY WORKING OFTEN IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AS WELL.
SO I REALLY JUST WANTED TO GIVE THIS, GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO YOU, AND YOU GUYS CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELVES TO HIM IF YOU WANTED.
AND WE COULD JUST WELCOME RICHARD MOORE.
I'M YOUR CHAIR PERSON FOR NOW, BUT WE, WE DO VOTES EVERY YEAR, SO THAT CAN CHANGE, BUT, HI.
WELL, WHEN I, WHEN I SERVED AS MAYOR AND ACTUALLY THE, I WAS TWO, IT WAS TWO YEARS ON THE CITY COUNCIL FOR, OR EIGHT YEARS AS THE MAYOR.
UH, BUT AS A STRONG MAYOR, I HAD A CHANCE TO, TO WORK WITH OUR COUNCIL AND WORK WITH A LETTER OF CITIZENS IN OUR BUSINESSES AND, AND LEARN QUITE A BIT ABOUT PLANNING AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT COULD BE TO A COMMUNITY AND WANTED TO SHARE THAT, SHARE THAT MY EXPERTISE DOWN HERE.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES? WILL THAT BE THE ONLY AWKWARD INTRODUCTION? HI, GEORGE.
NEIL STINK, BUT WE MET FIRST, FIRST TIME.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER.
THANKS AGAIN FOR VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE.
I KNOW IT TAKES TIME AND COMMITMENT TO DO THAT, SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
THIS IS THE LAST RESORT FOR YOU,
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP ROLLING.
[3) Consider approval of an exception request to the Vybe Trail lighting requirements for a segment of trail along Kohlers Crossing, under Sections 41-10 and 41-146(e) and (f) of the City of Kyle Code of ordinances, in relation to a Site Development Permit (SD-25-0280) located at 1010, 1020, and 1030 Kohlers Crossing, Park at Plum Creek Phase 3, in the Plum Creek Mixed-Use Zoning District (PC MXD). ]
[4) Consider approval of a Site Development Plan for Park at Plum Creek Phase 3 for proposed shell buildings, located at 1010, 1020, and 1030 Kohlers Crossing, in the Plum Creek Mixed-Use (PC MXD) Zoning District. (SD-25-0280). ]
[5) Consider approval of a Conditional Use Permit, regarding Building Elevations, for Park and Plum Creek Phase 3, in accordance with section 53-892 "Districts and boundaries", subsections (a)(5) "The FM-1626 conditional use overlay district", for property located at 1010, 1020, and 1030 Kohlers Crossing. (CUP-26-0151)]
ITEM IS CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION.WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS TOGETHER.
THIS IS RELATED TO, UM, 10 10, 10 20 AND 10 30 KOHLER'S CROSSING.
UH, WE'VE GOT A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, UM, LOOKING FOR AN EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND THIS IS FOR, UM, PLUM CREEK PHASE THREE.
UM, I'M ANGELINA SENIOR PLANNER.
I'M GONNA DO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS.
UM, AS CHAIRPERSON KIN JUST MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS THAT ARE KIND OF GOING TOGETHER.
UM, AND THIS IS FOR THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING EXCEPTION REQUEST, A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, UM, PARK PLUM CREEK ON KOHLER'S CROSSING.
UM, SO EACH OF THESE ITEMS WILL NEED TO BE TAKEN.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THEM SEPARATELY, BUT I AM PLANNING TO DO ONE PRESENTATION FOR ALL THREE OF THEM.
UM, AND SO PNZ WILL NEED TO CONSIDER AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, FOR THE LIGHTING EXCEPTION AND THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS AND FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE PNZ WILL CONSIDER AND TAKE, UM, FINAL ACTION ON THAT ONE.
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ZONED, UH, PLUM CREEK, MMXD, UM, AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE FM 1626 ZONING OVERLAY.UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING THREE BUILDINGS, A BANK, A RETAIL RESTAURANT, MIXED USE BUILDING, AND A DAYCARE.
UM, AND AS WE MENTIONED, THEY ARE SEEKING AN EXCEPTION TO THE VIBE TRAIL, UM, LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS ALONG, UM, THE KOHLER'S CROSSING SEGMENTS, STARTING WITH THE LIGHTING EXCEPTION.
UM, SO THEY, THE IS SEEKING THIS EXCEPTION DUE TO THE CITY'S, UM, ONGOING KOHLERS CROSSING ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THERE'S NUMEROUS UTILITIES BEING RELOCATED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND DUE TO SOME OF THE SPACING LIMITATIONS, YOU CAN'T LOCATE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A WATER LINE OR A GAS LINE WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET OF LIGHT POLES.
UM, AND THERE'S, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
IT'S JUST A VERY KIND OF BUSY AREA IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEY, IT'S REALLY, UM, NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THEIR ABILITY TO PUT THOSE, UM, THE VIBE PULLS, UM, IN THAT AREA.
SO HERE ON THIS SLIDE, I TRIED MY BEST TO KINDA HIGHLIGHT IT.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE RED AREA AT THE TOP, UM, THAT'S THE SEGMENT WHERE THEY ARE REQUESTING THE EXCEPTION.
UM, THE SORT OF PURPLE DASH LINE UP THERE, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THAT'S THE GAS LINE.
AND THE BLUE DASH LINE IS THE WATER LINE.
UM, THOSE TWO YELLOW LITTLE CIRCLES UP THERE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SIGHT LIGHTING THAT'S ON THE SITE THAT THEY ARE EXPECTING TO, UM, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT, UM, ONTO THE VIBE TRAIL FOR THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
UM, AND THEN THE GREEN SECTION, UM, ON THAT LEFT SIDE, UH, THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THE VIBE LIGHTING AS REQUIRED.
AND THOSE GREEN CIRCLES ARE THE, UM, THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS OF THE, THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTS.
UM, SO MOVING ON TO THESE SITE DEVELOPMENTS, AS I MENTIONED, THEY ARE PROPOSING A BANK, A RETAIL RESTAURANT BUILDING AS WELL AS A DAYCARE.
UM, AND THIS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS A SINGLE PHASE.
UM, I SPLIT UP THE SITE PLAN ONTO TWO SLIDES BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF A LOT TO SQUEEZE ONTO ONE.
SO THAT LITTLE SQUARE BUILDING AT THE TOP, UM, THAT'S THE PROPOSED BANK WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, THE RECTANGULAR BUILDING THAT IS THE PROPOSED, UH, RETAIL WITH RESTAURANTS, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE A PATIO, UM, OUTDOOR SEATING AREA FOR THE RESTAURANTS AS WELL.
AND THEN THIS BUILDING, BUILDING NUMBER THREE AT THE BOTTOM HERE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED DAYCARE AND A, UM, FUTURE KIND OF PROPOSED, UH, PLAY AREA FOR THE DAYCARE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE IN THAT SORT OF DOTTED AREA.
UM, SO STAFF REVIEWED THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, PER OUR CODE.
UM, WE NOTICED WE, UH, REVIEWED THE PARKING, THE PARKING MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 125 SPACES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS COVER IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY 75%, WHICH MEETS THE, UM, MAXIMUM PERMITTED AMOUNTS AND ALSO THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN AND LIGHTING DETAILS, UH, COMPLY WITH THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS.
HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND JUST SOME DETAILS ON THE NUMBER OF TREES, SHRUBS, UM, REQUIRED LANDSCAPING AREA, WHICH ALL EITHER MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND NOW JUMPING INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, SINCE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN AN OVERLAY, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWS THE, UH, BUILDING RE RENDERINGS.
UM, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THEY ARE, OH, TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SORRY.
UM, SO IN THIS PROJECT THEY HAVE, UM, HERE'S THE RENDERINGS.
THEY WILL HAVE, UM, A SORT OF BRICK VENEER, UM, MASONRY, UM, METAL SIDING, AS WELL AS, WHOOPS, I MISSED THE LAST MATERIAL.
WHAT WAS THAT? ENGINEERED STONE MASONRY, SORRY.
UM, THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF BUILDING NUMBER ONE.
THAT'S THE BANK WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH BUILDING NUMBER TWO, THAT'S THE, UH, RETAIL AND RESTAURANT WITH THE PATIO AREA.
AND THEN NUMBER THREE, THAT IS THE PROPOSED DAYCARE BUILDING.
AND JUST A QUICK RECAP, UM, THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING RE UH, EXCEPTION REQUEST IS, UH, REQUIRED DUE TO THE UTILITY CONFLICTS, UM, AND SPACE CONSTRAINTS RESULTING FROM THE KOHLER'S CROSSING ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE SITE PLAN IS COMPLIANT WITH APPLICABLE CITY CODES AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS ALSO, UM, COMPLIANT WITH OUR OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE APPLICANTS ALSO SOUGHT AND
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RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THE, UM, EXTERIOR BUILDING RENDERINGS FROM THE PLUM CREEK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.SO NOW I'M GONNA KIND OF GO INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UM, EACH ITEM SEPARATELY.
AND THEN, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON EACH OF THOSE ITEMS SEPARATELY.
SO FOR THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING EXCEPTION, UM, YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS TO APPROVE.
UH, THE LIGHTING EXCEPTION REQUEST AS PRE PRESENTED APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS TO, UM, APPROVE THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING EXCEPTION REQUEST, UH, DUE TO THE SITE CONSTRAINT CAUSED BY THE CITY'S KOHLER'S CROSSING, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND THE DIFFERENT UTILITY RELOCATIONS THAT ARE, UM, IMPACTING, UM, THAT SITES.
UM, FOR THE SITE PLAN, UM, YOU HAVE THE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUTLINED HERE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, UM, ALONG WITH THAT LIGHTING EXCEPTION.
UM, AS PRESENTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED, UH, PENDING ANY MODIFICATIONS BY CITY COUNCIL AS THIS WILL HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN FOR THE CONDITIONAL U UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THE OPTIONS ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CUP AS PRESENTED, UH, CONDITIONED UPON, UM, ANY CITY COUNCIL OR RATHER CONDITIONED UPON CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THESE SITE PLANS.
SINCE THESE ITEMS KIND OF ALL GO TOGETHER.
AND THAT IS IT, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, UM, IN THE AUDIENCE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEP.
I HAVE A QUESTION MORE SO JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE.
UM, WELL, HOW WOULD THE LIGHTING CHANGE IF THE, THE VIBE PATROL LIGHTING WAS THERE WOULD JUST HAVE MORE LIGHT OR WHAT WOULD THE DIFFERENCE BE? UM, SO THEY'RE, SO THE EXCEPTION REQUEST IS TO NOT INSTALL RIGHT? THOSE, YEAH.
SO THEY WON'T HAVE ANY LIGHT POLES FOR THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT LEAST A FEW LIGHT POLES, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR SEGMENT.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE, UM, ON THE VIBE TRAIL.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR PHOTOMETRIC STILL SATISFIES ALL THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED, RIGHT? YES, YES.
AND THERE SHOULD STILL BE SOME KIND OF AMBIENT LIGHTING THAT WILL KIND OF GO OFF THE, UM, GO ONTO THE TRAIL RATHER.
BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME LIGHT POLES THAT ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE MM-HMM
TO THE VIBE TRAIL ON THEIR SITE.
AND SO WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT, UM, FROM THERE THAT WILL, UM, ILLUMINATE THAT PATHWAY.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT VIBE LIGHTING WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN DESIGNED? OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST THE STANDARD DECORATIVE LIGHT POLE.
I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
DO YOU ALL, YEAH, THERE'S A SPECIFIC SPEC THAT THE BE PROVIDED THAT WE HAVE TO, YEAH, ON PAGE 24, AND I'LL ASK MY NEXT QUESTION TOO.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE WHEN WE CON, WHEN WE CONSIDERED THE BUFFALO WILD WINGS LOCATION, YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT OF THAT NORTH FACING SIGNAGE THAT'S RIGHT AGAINST KOHLER'S CROSSING, MAKING SURE THAT IT REMAINS, UM, SUBDUED AND RESPECTFUL OF THAT VETERAN'S PARK ACROSS THE WAY JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT OVERLY DISTRACTING OR TAKES AWAY FROM THE SERENITY OF THAT PARK.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER AS WELL HERE AS EITHER REQUIREMENT OR IF THE DEVELOPER IS HAPPY TO, UM, WORK WITH THAT IDEA TOO.
SORRY, WAS THAT QUESTION FROM HERE FOR YOU? WHOEVER'S HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT ONE,
UM, UH, YEAH, SO WE CAN, UH, THE, THE CS DO ALLOW FOR, UH, PNZ TO, TO LOOK AT SITE.
UM, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO DO THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, UH, LETTING STAFF, UH, SORRY.
SO THE ONLY WAY TO REGULATE THAT LIGHTING IS EITHER BY PROVIDING SOME KIND OF MEASUREMENT IN UNITS OR KNITS OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION.
UM, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW ON WHAT THAT LEVEL MIGHT BE.
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YOU ARE WANTING TO CONSIDER, UH, UH, A RECOMMENDATION OR AMENDMENT TO ANY MOTION, UM, WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU LET STAFF KIND OF HANDLE THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY SO WE CAN KIND OF HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS.UM, NOT AN EXPERT IN LIGHTING, SO I'D HAVE TO BRING IN SOME OTHER FOLKS TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.
HOW DO WE MEASURE IT, HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT, AND HOW DOES IT WORK WITHIN OUR CURRENT CITY LIGHTING ORDINANCES.
UM, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS BB BASED ON THE, THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE THERE WILL BE TO THIS PROJECT HAVING ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE FACING KOHLERS CROSSING, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A BANK.
THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE EVEN GONNA HAVE ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE BEING
I, I KNOW THE, THE DRAWINGS ARE CONCEPTUAL AND SO I KNOW IT'S PENDING SIGNAGE APPROVAL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT MM-HMM
AND THAT WAY IT'S, WE'RE NOT PUTTING A BURDEN ON ONE APPLICANT AND NOT THE OTHER ONE.
HOLD THAT STANDARD CONSISTENTLY.
SO, UM, DO YOU RECALL HOW WE MANAGED OR, UH, PROPOSED THAT AMENDMENT ON THE OTHER SITE? UH, I, I DO NOT RECALL OFFHAND.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE GOT INTO CONVERSATIONS ON KNITS AND MEASUREMENTS, AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO KIND OF, WE ARE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE.
THAT ONE WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I THINK THE DEVELOPER WAS AT THE MEETING OR AGREED TO, TO KIND OF TONE THAT DOWN.
SO, UM, THEY'RE NOT UP AND RUNNING YET, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, THEY'RE GONNA FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THINGS GET LOST IN, IN TRANSLATION FROM APPROVALS TO CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, IF THAT'S YOUR CONCERN ON THE LIGHTING SIGNAGE, THAT, THAT YOU JUST LET STAFF DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY SO WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO TRY AND FIND SOME LANGUAGE, UM, WHETHER IT'S A NOTE ON THE SIDE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR SOMETHING IN THE CUP, SO THAT IF, WHEN THESE GUYS WALK AWAY AND IT'S THE TENANT AND THE, THE OPERATOR, THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND POINT TO SOMETHING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS HERE, GENTLEMEN.
WE'VE GOT, UM, THE VI TRAIL LIGHTING EXCEPTION REQUEST.
WE'VE GOT THE SITE PLAN AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH Y'ALL, I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, START WITH A MOTION FOR THE EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS.
IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE OF THOSE, WE'LL JUST GO IN ORDER THROUGH THESE ITEMS, MAKE MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UM, EXCEPTION TO THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING SECOND.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, RIGHT? YES.
UM, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE EXCEPTION REQUEST FOR THE VIBE TRAIL LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS FROM VICE CHAIR STEGEL AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CFU.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UM, NEXT IN OUR LIST IS THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE WOULD LIKE, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO DO A MOTION FOR THAT ONE AS A QUESTION ON THIS TO STAFF? WOULD THE RECOMMENDATION TO, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, DEFER THAT LIGHTING DISCUSSION TO STAFF FOR MONITORING FIT BETTER WITH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR FIT BETTER WITH THE CUP? OOH.
UM, I WOULD PROBABLY PUT THAT IN THE CUP 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT GIVES YOU THE AUTHORITY TO YOUR APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
UM, TECHNICALLY THE SDP IS NOT PART OF YOUR PURVIEW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, UH, ROLLED INTO THE CUP.
SO I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE ON THE CUP.
UM, BUT IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE SDP, UM, YOU, YOU COULD LET US KNOW IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR APPROVAL ON THE CP.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AMY
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PLUM CREEK PHASE THREE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE WILL APPROVE UNDER ITEM FIVE OF THE AGENDA.
SO LEMME MAKE SURE I I GET THIS RIGHT.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, UNDER THE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS LONG AS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UM, CONDITIONS, UH, I'M BUTCHERING THIS, I'M SORRY.
SO APPROVE IT UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF ITEM FIVE, WHICH
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IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEN WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.AS LONG AS STAFF IS FILLING, WHY DON'T YOU VOTE ON FIVE I FIRST AND COME BACK TO FOUR? WHAT ARE WE SAYING THOUGH? JUST DON'T MAKE THE SIGN TOO BRIGHT.
LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ARE WE SAYING WITH IT? I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED AND IS BEING DEVELOPED ON THE BUFFALO WALLOWING SITE, IN WHICH WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO TONE DOWN AND NOT HAVE BRIGHT ILLUMINATION ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT FACADE, WOULD THAT BE RECIPROCALLY HONORED AND HELD UP ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT? THAT WAY? WE DON'T HAVE, I'M NOT SETTING TWO STANDARDS FOR TWO, TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AND WE'RE STILL HONORING, RESPECTING TO PARK ACROSS THE WAY.
YEAH, AND FULLY RESPECT, THAT'S HARD TO PUT INTO A MO MOTION AND
SO I'M HAPPY TO WORK ON MASSAGING THAT LANGUAGE SO WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, POINT OUT THAT SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME TO OUR ATTENTION.
UH, THANK YOU KAYLA, FOR, FOR LOOKING THAT UP.
UM, SO SHE PULLED BACK THE MINUTES, UH, AND THE MOTIONS ON THAT LAST ONE.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UM, BUT THERE WAS NO, NO ACTUAL MOTION IN THERE THAT WAS MADE.
SO THAT TECHNICALLY DIDN'T GET MOVED FORWARD TO, JUST TO YOUR POINT ON KIND OF BEING CONSISTENT.
JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
SO WE'RE RELYING ON THE, THE HONOR SYSTEM THEN FOR THE BUFFALO WILD WINGS AND, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I KNOW THEY SAID LIKE, YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT IN A MOTION.
WE DID NOT GET IT IN A MOTION.
AND SINCE THAT DAY, NO ONE'S TALKED ABOUT IT.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS BRIGHT SHINING BUFFALO THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE SITTING AND REFLECTING AT HERE'S MEMORIAL PARK.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I'M SAYING THERE'S A POSSIBILITY I COULDN'T SAY WHAT THE BRIGHTNESS IS.
WE HAVEN'T, UM, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A BAT SIGNAL IN THE SKY, BUT IT'S A BUFFALO.
I, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING IT IN MOTION FOR THIS ONE, NOT TO BE LIKE PUTTING A, AN UNFAIR BURDEN ON Y'ALL.
BUT I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD ALSO, UM, LOOK NICER FOR THOSE BUILDINGS.
I THINK IT'LL LOOK KIND OF TACKY IF BUFFALO WILD WINGS MOVES FORWARD WITH THAT.
NOT TO, YOU KNOW, BE TOO OPINIONATED ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD RATHER GO TO THE RESTAURANT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE BIG TACKY SIGN THAN THE ONE THAT HAS THE BIG TACKY SIGN.
BUT THAT'S, THINGS CAN CHANGE.
BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT A DAYCARE, A BANK AND SMALL RETAIL OPERATION WOULDN'T HAVE VERY BRIGHT SIGNAGE, IS MY THINKING ON THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF ON STREET SIGNAGE, WHAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE TOWARDS THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, WOULD BE THE REAL QUESTION THERE.
JUST FOR CONTEXT, WE DEVELOPED THE SITES NEXT DOOR WITH FIREHOUSE ANIMAL HOSPITAL AND DOWN THE WAY TO AUSTIN RADIOLOGICAL.
VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT SIDE.
WELL THEN IT WOULDN'T HURT TO, TO FORMALIZE IT IN THERE.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE Y'ALL ARE PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, INTERFERE WITH THE, THE VIEWS FROM THE MEMORIAL PARK.
BUT JUST IN CASE THE PROJECT CHANGES HANDS OR SOMETHING, WE COULD AT LEAST GET IT CODIFIED IN OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SAYING WE, WE HAVE SOME EXTRA RULES ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS WITH, UM, THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T FORMALLY DO THAT FOR BUFFALO WILD WINGS.
IF WE WANNA KIND OF SET THAT PRECEDENT OF, OKAY, WELL WE KNOW BETTER NOW THAN WE DID BEFORE, SO WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY EVEN THOUGH THE OUTCOME IS NOT GOING TO BE KIND OF, I GUESS, FAIR.
I DON'T LOVE THE INCONSISTENCY THAT, BUT SINCE WE HAVE THE TEAM HERE, IF WE PUT THAT STIPULATION ON, WOULD THAT UNREASONABLY BURDEN PROGRESS? I JUST DUNNO WHAT THE MEASUREMENT TOOL IS.
THE, THE SITE DON'T SITES HAVE LIGHT POLLUTION REQUIREMENTS.
SO IS SIGNAGE CALCULATED IN THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT SIGNAGE IS NOT INCLUDED? NO, SIGNAGE HAS ITS OWN, UM, ILLUMINATION CRITERIA, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE DON'T HAVE SET LIMITS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, FOOT CANDLES OR KNITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR SIGNAGE.
SO WOULD, FOR THIS PURPOSE, WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THE SIGNAGE MUST COMPLY WITH THE SITE'S LIGHT POLLUTION REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD KEEP IT ALL THE SAME? 'CAUSE THEORETICALLY THE SIGNAGE FROM THE LIGHT WOULDN'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN THE SITE LIGHTING.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE VETOES ME, IS PROBABLY, I DIDN'T BRING MY CALCULATOR SO I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IF, IF YOU ASK FOR IT TO FOLLOW
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THE KIND OF LIGHT TRESPASS THAT TYPICAL SITE LIGHTING WOULD FOLLOW, IT'S NO MORE THAN THREE FEET PAST THE PROPERTY LINE.UM, BUT WHAT DOES LIGHT TRESPASS MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN IF YOU'RE MORE THAN THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT YOU DON'T SEE THE SIGN ANYMORE? BECAUSE I'M SURE NO BUSINESS WOULD WANNA AGREE TO THAT.
NO, IT'S TYPICALLY FOR LIKE YOUR PARKING LOT LIGHTING, YOUR WALL PACK LIGHTING, YOU'RE NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, A TON OF AMBIENT LIGHT GO BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD TRANSFER TO A, A SIGN.
IT'S, IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES FOR SURE.
I MEAN, UH, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE ZERO FOOT LIGHT TRESPASS PAST A PROPERTY LINE, UM, SAY ON A STREET LIGHT, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE PHYSICAL LIGHT FROM A HUNDRED FEET, A HUNDRED YARDS.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST LIGHT TRAVELS.
I MEAN, THAT SPEED OF LIGHT, THERE'S NO END TO IT.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK PUTTING A LIMIT ON THAT WILL WILL MEAN THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
IT'S JUST FINDING THE FUNCTION OF, UM, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, UNITS OF MEASUREMENT IN OUR DARK SKY ORDINANCE.
THAT'D BE A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US.
WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT, UM, AS WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UM, THE DEVELOPER MAY NOT BE THE ONE INSTALLING THE SIGN AS WELL.
IT COULD BE A SEPARATE SIGN ORDINANCE OR A SIGN COMPANY DEPENDING ON THE, THE MATERIAL.
I MEAN A, A BULB, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PLASTIC YOU PUT ON IT, THE, THE THICKNESS, THE TRANSPARENCY, THE COLOR, ALL OF THAT COULD AFFECT.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PLAY HERE, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE GOOD FOR US TO GET TOO SPECIFIC FROM THE DAIS, BUT INSTEAD TO, TO BAKE IT INTO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, WE TRUST THAT Y'ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING UP HERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR THAT IN THE DISCUSSIONS.
AND, AND I DO WANNA BE CLEAR, WE WILL ADVOCATE AND DO WHAT WE CAN, UM, TO TRY AND GET THERE.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DETERMINATION THAT'S MADE WOULD MEET EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S EXPECTATION ON THIS BOARD, IF THAT'S A, A, A JUST TO UNDERSTAND.
SO WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL CLEAR MM-HMM
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE, ONE OF YOU MAY LOOK AT IT AND GO, OH YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT HAD IN MIND.
SOMEONE ELSE MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, THAT'S STILL TOO BRIGHT.
SO I JUST, JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, FULL DISCLOSURE.
IT, IT IS A TRICKY KIND OF BALANCING ACT WITH THAT, SO.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY JUST KEEP IT KIND OF VAGUE SO THAT STAFF HAS THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THEM.
UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY IF YOUR GOAL IS TO LIMIT THAT INTENSITY, JUST STATE THAT AS YOUR GOAL AND THAT GIVES US SOMETHING TO WORK OFF OF.
AND WHAT REQUIREMENTS WOULD STAFF RELY UPON IN THAT NEGOTIATION? UH, FIRST THING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IS HOW ARE WE ENFORCING LIGHTING ORDINANCES? IS THAT MEASURED BY KNITS, CANDLE LOOMS? UM, HOW IS PD ENFORCING THAT? UM, SO YOUR ORDINANCE AND HOW THEY MEASURE HAVE TO HAVE TO MATCH UP.
SO IF WE SAY IT'S CANDLE LOOMS AND PD HAS KNITS AND THEY GO OUT THERE AND SAY, WELL, WE KNOW 25 KNITS IS WHATEVER THEY MAY SAY, IT'S BRIGHT, THAT MAY NOT HOLD UP IN, IN COURT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, UM, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT TO, TO NAIL THAT DOWN BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE OTHER AMBIENT LIGHT THAT'S GOING TO BE AROUND.
SO IF, IF I'M STANDING IN FRONT OF A SIGN AND I HAVE A, A LIGHT METER DEPENDING WHERE I TURNED, YEAH, IT COULD CHANGE QUITE DRAMATICALLY.
SO I, I THINK IF, IF YOUR GOAL IS TO LIMIT THE LIGHTING, I, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU STATE THAT.
UM, BUT I WOULD NOT, I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT TRYING TO PUT A HARD CAP ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR STAFF PD, ANYBODY TO, TO KIND OF VERIFY THAT OR, OR RECOMMEND THAT THE SIGN BE FULLY SHIELDED AND CONTAINED, YOU KNOW, LIGHT CONTAINED WITHIN IT VERSUS KIND OF WALL SPILLAGE OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I, I THINK THERE'S SOME WAYS THAT MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS IT THAT WAY.
THE, UH, SANCTITY AND THE ENJOYMENT OF THE PARK I ESTEEM.
BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MAP, THE SUMMARY OF REQUEST, AND KNOW THAT THERE'S A BIG ROUNDABOUT GOING IN THERE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE BIGGEST ROUNDABOUT IN THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS, WELL, IT'S, I COULDN'T COMPARE THE SIZE ON ROUNDABOUTS, BUT BIG, THERE'S, THERE'S PLAN THERE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENTS, UM, YOU HAVE THE STREETLIGHTS ALREADY THAT ARE GOING ON THERE.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL AREA AND I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE PROXIMITY TO THE PARK AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS, BUT I, I, I ALSO WANT TO KIND OF OPERATE IN, IN OF REALISTIC ENVIRONMENT OF, OF WHERE THIS IS GOING, BECAUSE MY THOUGHT WAS THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF LIGHT POLLUTION COMING AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT.
THERE'S GONNA BE LIGHTS FLASHING IN THAT PARK ALL THE TIME DURING HEAVY TRAVEL HOURS.
SO, UM, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT THIS JUST SEEMS, THIS IS THE WAY THIS IS.
I, I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE SOME OF THE EMAIL TRAFFIC WITH THE APPLICANT FROM, UM, THE BUFFALO WILD WINGS POST MEETING.
'CAUSE Y'ALL DID MAKE THE REQUEST.
IT JUST WASN'T FORMALLY DOCUMENTED IN A MOTION.
AND THEY DID INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING INTERNALLY
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ILLUMINATED LIGHTS RATHER THAN LIKE BACKLIT HALO LIT, UH, SIGNS.SO THAT DEFINITELY HELPS WITH THE LIGHT POLLUTION, IF THAT'S MAYBE, UM, SOMETHING TO INCORPORATE FOR THIS ONE.
SO SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION COULD BE MADE ON THE, THAT GROUND USING THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE? YES.
I THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANNA RESTRICT THE, THE BACKLIT OR HALO LIP SPECIFICALLY IF, IF THE LIGHT POLLUTION IS YOUR
THAT'S VERY CONCRETE AND UNDERSTANDABLE FOR ALL PARTIES.
AND THAT PHRASING WAS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE, CORRECT? YES.
UM, AND EXCLUDING ANY KIND OF BACKLIT SIGNAGE BACK LIT OR HALO LIT YEP.
IS WHAT YOU BACK, BACK OR HALO LIT SIGNAGE.
THESE THREE ARE OPTIONS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED HALO LIT BACKLIT.
I FEEL LIKE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED PUTS OFF WAY MORE LIGHT THAN THE OTHER TWO.
AM I CONF, AM I GETTING THIS MIXED UP? IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS.
IF IT'S A WHITE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN, IT'S GONNA PUT OFF QUITE A BIT OF LIGHT.
UM, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT COLOR, IT KIND OF TONES IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
HAVE Y'ALL SEEN THE SPROUT SIGN FROM THE PARK? THAT ONE IS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED AND IT'S GREEN, RIGHT? IT'S SO THE, THE ACRYLIC ON THE FACE OF IT IS WHITE.
I BELIEVE THEY HAVE GREEN LIGHTS OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, BUT THAT ONE, YEAH, THAT ONE, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THAT ONE.
SO
THE CABINET ITSELF ARE THERE, ARE THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, 60 WATT BULBS? ARE THEY 80 WATT BULBS? ARE THEY LED LIGHTS? I MEAN, WHAT TYPE OF LIGHT? IS IT A NATURAL? IS IT A WHITE, I MEAN, ALL OF THESE THINGS PLAY INTO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST STATING THAT, THAT WHATEVER MOTION YOU MAKE, I, WE JUST, WE WANNA HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY, UM, TO ADDRESS IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVELY AFFECTING, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, WE, WE GO BY OUR ORDINANCE, BUT THAT, THAT'S A DIFFICULT KIND OF ASK FOR STAFF TO, TO VERIFY THOSE, THOSE MEASUREMENTS.
LIKE I SAID, IF THIS WAS A STANDALONE SIGN OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY AND, AND THERE WAS NO EXTERNAL LIGHTING, IT'D BE REALLY EASY FOR US TO WALK UP AND SAY, OH, HERE'S OUR, OUR KNITS.
WE KNOW THAT X AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, WATTAGE PRODUCES X AMOUNT OF LIGHT POLLUTION, BUT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT THAT'D BE VERY HARD TO, TO ENFORCE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND TYPICALLY THE INTERNAL LIGHT BE EITHER BE US OR L NOW TO, AND THAT, THAT COLOR OF THAT VEHICLE WAS QUITE BIT TOO.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE LAST TIME I SAW A PERMIT FOR A FLUORESCENT SIGN THERE PRETTY MUCH ALL LEDS THIS AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THE COLOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ALSO THE SIZE, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THOSE SPROUT SIGNS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MASSIVE AND IT'S KIND OF SUNKEN DOWN BELOW, UM, 1626 A LITTLE BIT.
SO THEY'RE ALMOST RIGHT AT EYE LEVEL.
THESE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THAT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT FACTORS AT PLAY IN DETERMINING HOW BRIGHT THOSE SIGNS ACTUALLY LOOK.
WELL, THIS CAN BE BASING, THE SIGNS CAN BE BASING THE ROAD TOO.
CORRECT? WE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD LIMIT THE, THE, UH, THE FOOTPRINT THAT OR THE HOW SIGN SIGN REFLECTED INTO TRAFFIC.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SAID STAFF ALREADY HAS CAR TO DEAL WITH THAT.
THE ONLY BUILDING FACING THAT WAY IS THE BANK.
SO UNLESS THEY'RE PUTTING SIGNAGE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE A FACTOR.
I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT CITY STAFF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UH, CREATING SIGNAGE THAT CONFORMS WITH EXISTING LIGHTING ORDINANCES.
WOULD I, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MOTION.
UM, WOULD THEY NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING LIGHTING ORDINANCES ANYWAY? LIKE WE'RE WE'RE JUST SAYING THEY DO, BUT I WORK WITH 'EM TO COMPLY.
I FEEL LIKE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT.
UM, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE JUST TALKING AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE, THEN I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL MOTION.
WELL, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WERE GOING FOR THERE.
YOU WANTED TO JUST COMPLY WITH THE, THE EXISTING ORDINANCES, OR YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING ON TOP OF THAT? THE, THE DISCUSSION HERE HAS MADE IT CLEAR TO ME THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND A GOOD
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HAPPY MEDIAN WITHOUT PUTTING A BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT.WE DID NOT PUT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, AND I DON'T HEAR A CONSENSUS OF WHAT WE EVEN COULD PUT ON PLAY THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE AS WELL AS, I THINK I'VE HEARD GOOD ARGUMENTS OF IT MIGHT BE MORE BURDENSOME TO TRY AND FIND A SOLUTION THAN WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY WORTH.
IF THAT PROPERTY ISN'T REALLY GONNA HAVE A SIGN THAT MATTERS THAT MUCH IN THIS CONTEXT, WE MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM FOR WHAT IT'S GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE BUILT THERE.
IT'S A CALM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CENTER.
I'M NOT SO WORRIED ABOUT Y'ALL.
IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT COME AFTER YOU, THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE RIGHT NOW LOOKING US IN THE EYE AND HEARING THE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE UP HERE.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE NOT PREVIOUSLY WRANGLED LEGALLY TO CONTROL SOMETHING.
CAN YOU PUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BACK UP, PLEASE? ON THEIR HONOR? BUT I, I HEAR YOU.
UH, WILL THE WIZARD BEHIND THE CURTAIN IN THE BACK, UM, PUT UP THE PRESENTATION AGAIN FOR OKAY.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TREES GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BANK, WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEFLECT LIGHTING AND BLOCK IT FROM, FROM GOING THAT WAY.
I SHOULD POINT OUT REAL QUICK, A LITTLE CAVEAT, UM, I PREPARED THIS PRESENTATION AND THEN WE GOT THE FINAL, FINAL SITE PLAN AFTER THIS WAS ALREADY IN GRANICUS.
AND SO THERE ARE SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH ARE IN THE SITE PLAN IN THE PACKETS.
UM, BUT THIS, I BELIEVE THE FEW TREES THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, COMMISSIONER, UM, ALONG THE BANK ARE ACTUALLY RELOCATED AND, UM, NOT ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN AS IT EXISTS.
PERHAPS IF IT, IF WE COULD PULL UP THE SITE PLAN.
I, I HAVE, YEAH, I HAVE THIS ONE HERE, THE UPDATED ONE, TWO QUICK COMMENTS HERE.
I HESITATE TO VOTE FOR A CONDITION THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE, UM, AND WE REALLY CAN'T, UM, OR IT'S DIFFICULT TO SECOND.
UM, WHILE I'M SURE, UH, ANY, ANY BUSINESS WITH FRONTAGE ALONG THAT MAIN THOROUGHFARE WOULD PUT A SIGN UP, UM, THE SECURITY LIGHTING FOR THE BANK IS GOING TO OUTSHINE ANY SIGN THAT THEY HAVE UP THERE.
SO, AND THIS IS JUST A KIND OF A REQUIREMENT, ESPECIALLY IF THE DRIVE THROUGH IS WHERE IT IS.
UM, SO I, I THINK THE SECURITY LINE PROBABLY BE A BIGGER ISSUE, BUT LIKE I SAID, NOTHING WE CAN APPROVE THAT REALLY HAS TEETH HERE.
SO I THINK WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERNS.
IF IT LOOKS ANYTHING LIKE WHAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED BEFORE, THAT SIGNAGE IS PRETTY TAME.
UM, I'M HAPPY WITH IT AS IS, BUT THE CONSENSUS IS TO PUT SOME EXTRA CONDITIONS ON THERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, MR. WEBB, UH, THAT WAS, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, BRINGING UP THE BANK LIGHTING.
UM, I WILL SAY THERE ARE VERY, UH, SPECIFIC FEDERAL STANDARDS ON WHAT THAT LIGHTING NEEDS TO BE FOR A SAFETY ASPECT.
UM, SO IF YOU WERE, UH, TO PUT ANY CONDITION ON THAT LIGHTING, IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY TO LIGHTING AROUND THE BANK.
UH, THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID, FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR SAFETY.
SO PARKING LOT LIGHTING HAS TO BE CERTAIN BRIGHTNESS.
ATM LIGHTING HAS TO BE A CERTAIN BRIGHTNESS.
SO JUST YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, SIR.
I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION OF COMMISSIONER COPELAND.
UM, SO THE, THE MOTION THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER COPELAND HAD PUT FORWARD WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, ON THE CONDITION THAT STAFF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UM, COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING, UH, LIGHTING ORDINANCES.
UM, IS THERE, AND THE SECOND IS FROM VICE CHAIR STEGEL.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
UM, MY, MY THOUGHTS AGAIN ARE KIND OF ALL OVER THE MAP ON THIS.
UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT WITH BUFFALO WILD WINGS.
UM, I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THAT PARK IS SPECIAL AND THERE ARE GONNA BE STREET LIGHTS AROUND IT AND PARKING LOT LIGHTS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
TO ME, THOSE ARE MUCH LESS INVASIVE, UM, THAN SIGNAGE.
UM, SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPLICANT TODAY DOING SOMETHING
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THAT WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT.IT'S MORE OF A FORWARD LOOKING CONCERN, UM, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD'VE WANTED TO SEE AS A, AS A RECOMMENDATION THERE.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT Y'ALL AND, AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
UH, IT'S JUST PEOPLE FOR THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY 2 CENTS ON IT.
MORE FORWARD LOOKING THAN TODAY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, THE MOTION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO WE'VE GOT OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND WE'VE GOT OUR LIGHTING EXCEPTION.
UM, NOW COMMISSIONER COPELAND HAD STARTED A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE BEFORE, BUT, UM, AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAD A SECOND FROM YES, COMMISSIONER HILDRETH.
UH, AND THAT WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON THE, UH, CONDITIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH WAS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WE ARE APPROVING JUST WITH THE CONDITION THEY APPLY WITH OR COMPLY WITH THE, UH, LIGHTING ORDINANCES.
SO, UM, WITH THAT LITTLE REFRESHER THERE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION FOR THE SITE PLAN? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WHILE WE TALK THROUGH THAT ONE, EVERYBODY.
[6) Consider approval of a Conditional Use Permit for a proposed automotive shop located at 309 Veterans Drive in the Rebel Drive Overlay. (CUP-25-0145)]
UM, NEXT WE HAVE CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PROPOSED AUTOMOTIVE SHOP LOCATED AT 3 0 9 VETERANS DRIVE IN THE REBEL DRIVE OVERLAY.THIS IS CUP DASH 25 DASH 0 1 4 5.
ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, KAYLA SHARP, SENIOR PLANNER.
UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR YOU FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 0 9 VETERANS DRIVE.
UM, THEY ARE SEEKING TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 10,000 SQUARE FOOT AUTOMOTIVE SHOP.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RETAIL SERVICES AND IS ALSO LOCATED IN THE REBEL DRIVE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED MATERIALS FOR THE BUILDING, UH, CONSISTS PRIMARILY OF A METAL BUILDING WITH MASONRY CLADDING ON THE FRONT AND A BRICK WAINS COATING ON THE SIDE AND REAR.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, OLD SCHOOL HAND DRAWN RENDERINGS FOR Y'ALL, UH, FOR Y'ALL TODAY.
UM, SO YOU CAN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE ON HERE, BUT I DO HAVE SOME, SOME PHOTOS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES.
UH, THE, THE, ON THE SIDES, THE BROWN ON THE BOTTOM IS THE BRICK, AND THEN THE FRONT IS ENTIRELY MASONRY.
THERE'S THE, THE FRONT AND THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE AN EXISTING SHOP IN BUTTA.
SO THESE ARE PICTURES FROM THAT LOCATION.
THE INTENT IS TO PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY MATCH, UM, WHAT THEY'VE BUILT THERE HERE IN KYLE.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL HERE.
THE, THE FRONT IS ALL MASONRY AND THEN THE SIDES AND REAR ARE THE, PRIMARILY THE METAL FACADE WITH THE BRICK WAINS COATING.
WE'VE GOT YOUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND THEN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I DO WANNA NOTE HERE, UM, WE RECEIVED UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLANS AGAIN AFTER, UM, THIS WAS UPLOADED.
THEY ADDED AN ADDITIONAL TREE, UM, TO THE KIND OF PLAN NORTHEAST, UH, CORNER OF THE BUILDING NEAR THE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE PARKING.
UH, TO COMPLY WITH OUR, UM, WE REQUIRE TREES WITHIN 50 FEET OF EVERY PARKING SPACE.
SO THEY ADDED AN ADDITIONAL TREE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, THEY HAVE ALL THE SHRUBS THEY NEED.
UM, AND THEN JUST TO POINT OUT THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING MAY BE ADDED DEPEND, UH, DEPENDING ON TREE MITIGATION DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE ONGOING AS WELL.
SO YOUR OPTIONS HERE TONIGHT ARE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS OR DENY.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS TO MODIFY THE GARAGE BAY DOORS TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING, AND ALSO TO ALLOW THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE FINALIZED BY STAFF.
UM, WE DID HAVE ANOTHER, UM, COMMENT COME UP IN OUR REVIEW THAT THERE MAY BE CHANGES TO THE DETENTION POND AS WELL.
SO THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR THE, THE OVERALL SITE PLAN TO BE, UM, FINALIZED BY STAFF.
DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, WE DON'T THINK IT'LL CHANGE ANYTHING DRASTICALLY.
UM, WE DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ANY CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT, JUST MAYBE SOME MORE TECHNICAL SPECS ON THAT, THAT THAT MIGHT BE UPDATED AFTER TONIGHT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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OKAY.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW SHE ALREADY ASKED, BUT BEFORE WE ASK FOR A MOTION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I SEE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON MODIFYING THE GARAGE BAY DOORS WHEN THE COMMISSION VIEWED AN AUTOMOTIVE SHOP OFF 1626, A FEW MONTHS BACK.
DID WE HAVE A SIMILAR STIPULATION ON THAT SHOP OR DID THEIR PLANS NATURALLY COME WITH SAME PAINTED DOORS? I'M TRYING TO RECALL THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
UM, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
MY, UH, GUT FEELING ON THAT IS THAT IT PROBABLY ALREADY KIND OF MATCHED, BUT I, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK TO CONFIRM THE INTENT OF THAT REQUEST IS REALLY JUST FOR A MORE COHESIVE DESIGN.
BUT ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND HAVE WE BEEN CONSISTENTLY APPLYING THAT REQUEST ON OTHER SIMILAR STRUCTURES ACROSS THE CITY? I BELIEVE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT HAS COME UP IN THE PAST.
UM, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU STATS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
BUT I, I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
AND THEN FOR THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURE, COULD YOU SPEAK MORE ON WHAT THAT ALLOWANCE FOR STAFF NEGOTIATION TO LOOK LIKE SO WE CAN MAKE A PROPER MOTION? UM, I CAN TRY AND GO INTO DETAILS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT PLANNING REVIEWS IN A TON OF DETAIL AND MAYBE JASON CAN BACK ME UP IF NEEDED.
UM, BUT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS, WE HAD ONE SET OF PLANS, UM, THAT SHOWED KIND OF SAWTOOTH CUTOUTS TO ALLOW WATER TO FLOW FROM THE PARKING LOT INTO THAT STRUCTURE.
AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER SET OF PLANS THAT DIDN'T SHOW THAT.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF MAKING SOME OF THOSE CORRECTIONS TO YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH LIKE ENGINEERING SIGN OFF FOR THE DETENTION.
YEAH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK IT'LL RESULT IN ANY CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST TYPICALLY THE, THE SITE PLAN IS PART OF THIS APPROVAL.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME MINOR CHANGES MADE AFTER TONIGHT.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS TO COLORWAYS ON THERE.
SO THE, THE PHOTOS THAT WERE SHARED SHOW A DIFFERENT COLOR, WAYNE SCOTT, UM, ON THE BUILDING THAN THE RENDERINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, I, I LIKE THE HAND DRAWN RENDERINGS.
Y'ALL CAN LAUGH AT THEM ALL YOU WANT.
I THINK THEY'RE COOL THAT IT'S AMAZING SOMEBODY DID THAT.
BUT, UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHICH COLOR WOULD WE BE EXPECTING IN KYLE? 'CAUSE I KNOW KYLE IS BIG ON THE RED BRICK WITH THE WHITE LIMESTONE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, BUT THEN THE RENDERINGS FROM THE BEAUTY STORE HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR.
SO, UH, WHICH ONE SHOULD WE EXPECT TO, TO SEE ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING HERE? I BELIEVE WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE THE APPLICANT CONFIRM.
HEY, UH, IT, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE IDENTICAL, UH, TO THE BUTTA LOCATION.
UM, IT IS, IT HAS A RED, IT'S A DARKER, IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A DARK RED TYPE BRICK.
UM, IT'S NOT LIKE A BRIGHT RED BRICK, BUT, UH, THE WAY IT SITS RIGHT NOW, THE WHITE, ACTUALLY THE WHITE DOOR IS ACTUALLY MATCHED THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, SO IT KIND OF, KIND OF OFFSETS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY, UH, LIKE IT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I RESPECT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ARE WANTING.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT PERSONALLY MATCHES AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.
I ENCOURAGE Y'ALL, UH, TO STOP BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UH, BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU COME BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF WALK YOU AROUND.
UH, MY NAME IS BRAD LUM, LIFELONG RESIDENT HERE.
UH, I USED TO OWN THE RELIABLE AUTOMOTIVES.
UH, I HAD A NON-COMPETE FOR FIVE YEARS AND NOW I'M COMING BACK TO, UH, START OVER AGAIN.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, THANK YOU.
OKAY, GENTLEMEN, WE WILL NEED A MOTION, UH, TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD, MOVE TO APPROVE.
MOVE TO APPROVE THE, UH, UM, APPLICANT'S, UH, PROPOSED AUTOMOTIVE SHOP LOCATED AT 3 0 9 VETERANS DRIVE IN THE REBEL DRIVE OVER OVERLAY.
JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU WANTING TO INCLUDE ANY OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR JUST APPROVE AS INCLUDING STAFF RECOMMENDATION? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, OR WE DON'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
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WE GET TO APPROVE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, INCLUDING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM VICE CHAIR STEGEL AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HILDRETH.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? CAN WE CLARIFY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE RECORD? SO WE HAVE ONE OF PAINTING THE DOORS MM-HMM
TO ALIGN WITH THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN TWO, ALLOWING STAFF TO WORK WITH CITY ENGINEERING TO APPROVE MODIFICATIONS TO THE DRAINED STRUCTURE AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND THEN THREE TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
CAN WE GET EVERYTHING? CAN ALSO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE COLOR IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THE COLORS AS PROPOSED ON THE, ON THE BETA STORE, OR IF YOU WERE WANTING TO OH YEAH, I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION.
I DON'T NEED ANYTHING TO CHANGE.
SO WE'VE GOT OUR, OUR MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WITH THREE CONDITIONS OF THE PAINTING OF THE GARAGE DOOR BASE STAFF APPROVAL OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE, UH, DRAINAGE DETENTION POND AREA.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE'VE GOT OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND
[7) Consider an appeal of City staff’s denial of a request to allow overhead electric service pursuant to Section 50-1 for the property located at 278 Republic Drive.]
NEXT WE HAVE, UH, CONSIDER AN APPEAL OF CITY STAFF'S DENIAL OF A REQUEST TO ALLOW OVERHEAD ELECTRIC SERVICE PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 DASH ONE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 7 8 REPUBLIC DRIVE.KAYLA SHARP, SENIOR PLANNER, LAST ONE FOR ME TONIGHT.
UM, SO THIS ONE WILL BE A REQUEST TO ALLOW OVERHEAD ELECTRIC.
UM, THE ADDRESS ON HERE IS 2 7 8 REPUBLIC DRIVE.
THAT'S THE ADDRESS KIND OF FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE REQUEST HERE TONIGHT IS ACTUALLY AS PART OF THEIR OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, AS YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS CONSTRUCTING FOUR WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS AT 2 7 8 REPUBLIC DRIVE.
UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TRIGGERING REQUIREMENTS TO EXTEND REPUBLIC DRIVE AND ALSO UPGRADE ELECTRIC SERVICE IN THE AREA, INCLUDING IN FRONT OF THE CITY'S PARKS AND RECREATION BUILDING.
THE SCOPE OF WORK, AS I MENTIONED, INCLUDES EXTENDING REPUBLIC DRIVE AND UPGRADING THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE FROM SINGLE PHASE TO THREE PHASE.
UM, AND THAT EXTENSION OF REPUBLIC DRIVE AND THE, UM, UPGRADING OF ELECTRICAL SERVICE IS REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER TO RELOCATE SOME OF THE EXISTING POLES OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ALLOW OVERHEAD SERVICE IN FRONT OF THE CITY'S PARKS BUILDING TO REMAIN IN PLACE FOLLOWING COMPLETION OF THE ELECTRIC UPGRADES AND PULL RELOCATIONS, EVERYTHING INTERNAL TO THEIR WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BE UNDERGROUND IN ACCORDANCE WITH CODE.
THIS WOULD JUST BE FOR, UH, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THE CITY'S PARKS BUILDING.
UM, AND THE CITY ENGINEER DENIED THIS REQUEST PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 DASH ONE AS NO HARDSHIP EXISTS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE OVERHEAD SERVICE TO REMAIN.
AND JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE HERE IS SECTION 50 DASH ONE.
UM, BASICALLY OUTLINES THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR THE CITY ENGINEER TO APPROVE, UM, THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC AND THEN, UM, OUTLINES THE PROCESS FOR APPEALING THAT DECISION.
AND THAT IS HOW WE ENDED UP BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH THIS REQUEST.
SO I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE APPLICANT'S RATIONALE.
UM, AS I SAID, CURRENTLY THE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BUILDING AT 2 4 6 REPUBLIC DRIVE IS SERVED BY AN OVERHEAD POWER POLE AND TRANSFORMER.
UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING OVERHEAD POLE IN CONFLICT WITH THE PROPOSED EXTENSION OF HER PUBLIC DRIVE.
AND IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SERVICE TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THE POLE WOULD NEED TO BE RELOCATED OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND ONE POLE WOULD HAVE TO BE INSTALLED FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.
SO THIS PHOTO SHOWS, UM, THE RED LINE IS THE EXISTING, UM, LINE AND POLE.
IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARKS BUILDING REALLY.
UM, AND THEN THE BLUE IS THE, THE PROPOSED RELOCATION.
UH, THE PRIMARY GOAL OF THIS REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS TO REDUCE DOWNTIME FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND REDUCE THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER FOR RECONFIGURING THE CITY'S ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THEY'RE PROVIDING A LIST OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
UM, SO, AND THIS IS ALL DIRECTLY FROM THE APPLICANT, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ELECTRICAL OUTAGE.
UM, THEY COULD HAVE AN ELECTRICAL OUTAGE FOR UP TO ONE WEEK.
UH, THE UNDERGROUND TRENCHING AND CONDUIT INSTALLATION THROUGH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT PROPERTY THAT WOULD LIKELY DISRUPT PARKING AND REQUIRE STABILIZATION OF THE LANDSCAPING ONCE COMPLETE.
UM, COMPLETE REWORK OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ELECTRICAL SERVICE, INCLUDING THE PLACEMENT OF A PAD, MOUNTED TRANSFORMER IN THE L LANDSCAPE AREA
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ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.UM, EXTENSIVE COORDINATION, ELECTRICAL DESIGN AND PERMITTING REQUIRED TO MODIFY AN EXISTING ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
UM, AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT WOULD NEED TO BE PULLED ON THE PARKS BUILDING AND APPROVED BY THE CITY PRIOR TO WORK COMMENCING AND THE FINANCIAL BURDEN TO THE DEVELOPER TO REWORK ANOTHER PARTY'S ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
SO HERE IS OUR STAFF ANALYSIS.
SO STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
UM, AGAIN, SECTION 50 DASH ONE REQUIRES ALL NEW ELECTRIC SERVICE TO BE INSTALLED UNDERGROUND.
UM, NO HARDSHIP HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD PREVENT THE SERVICE FROM BEING INSTALLED UNDERGROUND.
THE PROPOSED WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT IS DRIVING THE NEED FOR THE UPGRADED ELECTRICAL SERVICE IN THE AREA AND REWORKING THE SERVICE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ALSO NECESSITATES THE EXTENSION OF A PUBLIC DRIVE, WHICH REQUIRES THE RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING POLES.
UM, AND THEN ALSO TEMPORARY SERVICE COULD BE PROVIDED TO THE PARKS BUILDING, UM, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN OPERATIONS DURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE APPROVE AS PRESENTED, APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS OR DENY AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY THE EXCEPTION REQUEST PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 DASH ONE.
UH, DUE TO THE REASONS I JUST OUTLINED FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, WITH THE, WITH THE PERMIT FOR THAT, THAT THE PARKS BUILDING THERE WITH CHANGES OF THE SER ELECTRICAL SERVICE, THAT'S AN, UH, THAT'S ENOUGH OF A CHANGE TO THE, THE ELECTRICAL THAT ALL ELECTRICAL INSIDE THE INSIDE.
THAT BUILDING'S GONNA HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO CODE TWO THAT'S NOT AT THE, AT THIS DEVELOPER'S, UH, COST.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE FULLY AWARE OF THE SCOPE.
UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
THE UPGRADED ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
UM, TYPICALLY, I MEAN, THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME WHERE YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE ELECTRICAL SERVICE OFFSITE.
UM, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT I DUNNO THAT WE'RE AWARE OF THE FULL SCOPE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE, THAT THE DEVELOPER, I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPER DOES NOT, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN GET STUCK WITH, WITH ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, 10 OR $15,000 WORTH OF WORK HAVING TO UPGRADE THE PARKS BUILDING.
I I WOULD SAY THERE'S, THERE'S NO INTENT TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER DO INTERIOR WORK ON THE BUILDINGS.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY TO, TO MAKE THE, UM, COMPLIANCE OUT OUTSIDE FOR RELOCATING THE WHERE WE, WHERE THE ELECTRIC SERVICE WAS BEFORE.
AND THE CITY OF KYLE DOES THE INSPECTIONS ON THE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THAT, SO THAT'S IN OUR CONTROL.
IT IT IS, IT, IT WOULD, HONESTLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE CITY'S THE NEIGHBOR OR OR ANYBODY ELSE, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL IN INSPECTIONS AND PERMITTING PROCESS, UH, FOR IT.
BUT YES, THE CITY DOES DO INSPECTIONS AND WORKS WITH PEC ALL THE TIME ON ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
WAS THERE ANY AT LEAST SIDE CONVERSATION WITH PARKS DEPARTMENT? I HAVE A VERY GOOD DIRECTOR AND I HAPPEN TO KNOW THEY HAVE A PLANNER OVER THERE.
SO DID YOU RUN ANY OF THIS BY THEM? YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS REQUEST.
THEY'RE AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST OUR DEPARTMENT'S, UH, STANCE ON THIS AND, AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE DEVELOPER WHO'S APPEALING HERE? I'M REPRESENT DEVELOPER.
HOW'S IT GOING, COREY? WITH ARCO MURRAY, WE'RE THE DESIGN BUILD GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
HEY COREY, SO AS OUTLINED UNDER THAT SECTION 50 DASH ONE, THERE'S BECOMING AN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
WHAT IS GOING ON THAT, THAT WE ARE MISSING? WHAT EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD WE BE AWARE OF AS WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS APPEAL? YEAH, I THINK THE PRIMARY REASON THAT WE BROUGHT THIS DEAL'S ATTENTION IS WHETHER THE MOTION GETS APPROVED OR DENIED.
THERE WILL STILL BE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC SERVICE ON REPUBLIC DRIVE.
SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF REPRIEVE ON THESE COUPLE POLES THAT SERVE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
WHERE ON REPUBLIC DRIVE, UH, IN THIS SPECIFIC SECTION OR OTHER, OTHER AREAS FOR THE REMAINDER OF REPUBLIC DRIVE SOUTH TO, UM, IS IT BEBE? I THINK BB YEAH, I THINK IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THIS MAP, OF COURSE 'CAUSE IT'S AN AERIAL, BUT THERE, THERE IS EXISTING OVERHEAD, UM, DOWN THE REMAINDER OF REPUBLIC DRIVE.
AGAIN, IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THEY HAD TO UPGRADE ELECTRICAL SERVICE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO UNDERGROUND THE, THE POLES BASICALLY STOP.
THE LAST POLL IS AT THE CITY'S BUILDING, WHICH IS I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE GETTING REMOVED OR MODIFIED OR MOVED.
THE ONLY REASON THIS IS COMING UP IS BECAUSE THE REPUBLIC DRIVE EXTENSION IS TO GO THROUGH THAT POLE THAT WE'RE ASKING TO RELOCATE AND IT HAS TO BE RELOCATED REGARDLESS BECAUSE
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OF THE ROAD EXTENSION, CORRECT? YES, SIR.ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE HERE? FOR THE APPLICANT.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE EXEMPTION FOR THIS ELECTRICAL SECOND.
WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, DENY THE REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER HILDRETH AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER COPELAND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE COMPLETED ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY AND SO THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AND WE'RE ADJOURNED AT 7 32.