Nov 29, 2022 Special Planning and Zoning Meeting

AND WE'RE CURIOUS BECAUSE WE'RE NEXT DOOR TO PAPA JACKSON.

UH, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF RUMORS THAT CITY OF KYLE BOUGHT THE BUILDINGS, AND WE'RE JUST CURIOUS OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE OR IF THERE'S ANY PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT THERE IN THE TWO PLACES THAT BURN DOWN.

THAT'S ALL.

I THANK YOU.

UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION THREE.

UM, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS? OKAY.

SEEING NOT GO CLOSED AS THE COMMENTS, CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED.

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A CONSIDER REQUEST TO ALLOW OVERHEAD ELECTRICAL LINES TO PROVIDE POWER FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE HAYES C I S D ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITY LOCATED AT 2,103 IH 35 SECTION, UH, 50 DASH ONE UTILITIES TO BE INSTALLED UNDERGROUND.

MR. AON, OR ACTUALLY, UH, WILL IG, THE RECORD PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, FOR THE CITY OF COMP.

SO BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE HAY, C I S D TO, UH, ALLOW FOR OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINES, UH, FOR THEIR NEW FACILITY THAT THEY'RE IN THE PLANNING PHASES OF FOR THEIR PROJECT OVER HERE AT THEIR HAYES ADMINISTRATION PROPERTY.

UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE, WHAT THE SITUATION IS, IS OUR CODE REQUIRES ALL UNDERGROUNDING OF ELECTRICAL UTILITIES UNLESS THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IN THE CODE.

UM, AND, BUT IF IT'S NOT ONE OF THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE CODE, THEN IT COMES TO THE PUTTING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION NOW.

UM, OH, AWESOME.

WE HAVE, UH, SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UM, WITH FROM K C I S D AND THEIR GROUP, SO THEY CAN COME UP AND SPEAK AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE STUFF ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU.

SURE.

SO, ROBERTSON ARCHITECTS, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH IS THE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO HELP PLAN THE FACILITY.

UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS CONSIDERATION FOR TEMPORARY POWER AND TEMPORARY DATA LINES TO BE RUN DURING THE FIRST PHASE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEN REMOVED AT THE ULTIMATE END.

SO AT THE TOTAL PACKAGE, AT THE VERY END OF THE PROJECT, THERE WILL BE LESS AERIAL LINES ACROSS THE SITE AS, UM, AS IS CURRENTLY ON THE SITE.

UH, THIS IS JUST TO REROUTE SOME, UH, UTILITIES, JUST ELECTRIC AND, UH, SOME DATA LINES TO, TO KEEP THE OCCUPIED BUILDINGS ON THE SITE DURING THE FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, FOR DATA AND ELECTRICITY.

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YOU CAN SEE, UM, ON THE SITE, UH, THE GREEN LINE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET, UH, THERE'S THREE POLES ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UM, THAT, THAT SPECTRUM WOULD BE ADDING, AS WELL AS IF YOU FOLLOW THAT LINE ACROSS THE, THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE, , UH, IT WOULD STOP AT THAT THIRD, UM, SOUTHWEST, UH, POLE AND THEN GO UNDERGROUND UP TO THE EXISTING, UH, TECHNOLOGY BUILDING THAT WE'RE ADDING ONTO.

UH, AND THEN, UM, BE ROUTED ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE WITH THE TWO RED DOTS AS NEW POWER POLE OR NEW, UH, DATA POLES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO BE THEN FED UNDERGROUND IN AN EXISTING, UM, CONDUIT TO THE MAIN, UM, TRANSPORTATION AND TECHNOLOGY BUILDING THAT'S THAT LITTLE, UH, H SHAPED BUILDING IN THE, THE CENTER THERE.

THE ELECTRIC, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, REPOWER THE, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE, UH, FROM THAT SAME CORNER BY RUNNING A TEMPORARY LINE UP TO AN EXISTING, UM, KIND OF UP AND DOWN, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH FROM THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF THE, UM, TECHNOLOGY BUILDING ALL THE WAY UP TO AN EXISTING POLE SO THAT WE CAN BACK FEED THOSE THREE OR FOUR EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE FIRST PHASE, ONCE THE NEW FACILITY IS CREATED, THOSE LINES WOULD ALL COME DOWN.

SO IT WOULD ONLY BE IN ABOUT, UM, A YEAR'S PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING THESE TEMPORARY POLES AND LINES.

QUESTION.

IF I COULD, I COULD JUST SUMMARIZE ONE MORE TIME.

UH, NATE WINS SWITCH, DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION FOR HAY, C I S D.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US IN THIS EVENING.

UH, JUST TO SUMMARIZE AGAIN, THIS IS A, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE HAVING 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 EXISTING POLES REMOVED.

UH, THERE'S A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE USED IN THE INTERIM DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE REMOVING SIX EXISTING POLES, ADDING THREE NEW POLES TO THE BACK OF THE SITE.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY A NET LOSS OF POLES AT THE, WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE WITH DESTRUCTION.

THANK YOU ALL.

UM, HAVE A QUESTION.

SO, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE WORDING OF THE, UM, FOR THREE A, IT DOESN'T SAY TEMPORARY.

SO ONE, UM, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, DO, IS THERE, IS THERE ACTUALLY A CLOCK ON IT BASED ON WHAT'S IN THERE? OR WOULD WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT IN THE MOTION INSTEAD OF JUST APPROVE ITEM THREE A? WOULD WE PUT THAT IN THE MOTION TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT EXTEND PAST A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE THE MOTION AND THE VOTE CORRECTLY AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I MAY ASK LEON TO CONFIRM AND HE CAN SHOOT ME OUT IF I'M WRONG.

, UM, THIS JUST SAYS A BLANKET IN SECTION 50 DASH ONE, IT'S A BLANKET.

YOU HAVE TO BURY HIM.

THERE'S NO CHOICE.

SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE SOME OF THEM, OR ALL OF THEM, OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO MAKE IT WORK IN YOUR MOTION, YOU SHOULD CLARIFY THAT IF SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE TEMPORARY OR SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA BE PERMANENT.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? RIGHT, BUT I'M, I'M SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO NOW IS JUST TEMPORARY, CORRECT.

WHAT WE'RE APPROVING AT THIS MOMENT, OR ARE, ARE WE APPROVING BOTH? ARE WE APPROVING SOME TEMPORARY AND SOME PERMANENT? YEAH, SO THERE, THE THREE ON THE SOUTH END, SOUTHEAST END WERE THE PERMANENT POLES.

THE REST OF THEM ARE ALL TEMPORARY.

OH, OH, COMBINATION.

I'M SORRY.

SORRY, I WAS CONFUSED.

SO THE ONES ON THE SOUTH END, THE PERMANENT ONES, THEY'RE NOT ALREADY YOU, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE APPROVING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THEN WE'RE APPROVING THOSE THREE TO BE PUT UP AS PERMANENT.

THE OTHER ONES TO BE PUT UP AS TEMPORARY IF, IF THAT'S THE DECISION THAT Y'ALL CHOOSE TO MAKE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

THE, THE, THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS.

AND SOME ARE GONNA STAY ON.

SO AGAIN, FOR THE PART THAT IS TEMPORARY, IF P AND Z WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T BECOME INDEFINITE, WOULD THEY PUT IT IN THE MOTION AS TO HOW LONG THAT TEMPORARY CAN BE? YES, BUT I WOULD, BUT WE GOTTA FIND, YOU NEED TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT BETWEEN VAGUE AND SPECIFIC, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, AND SO AS THE PHASING OF THE PROJECT COMES ONLINE, CERTAIN POLES ARE GONNA BE REMOVED

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AND SOMETIMES THAT TIMELINE SHIFTS DEPENDING ON WEATHER OR OTHER ISSUES THAT WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR.

I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS.

BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO GIVE A BLANK CHECK, RIGHT.

TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS UP AS LONG AS THEY SO CHOOSE IF THINGS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, MAY MAYBE SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UM, APPROVING THE, AT LEAST ON THE TEMPORARY SIDE, APPROVING THE, UM, THE TEMPORARY POLLS PER THE FACE CONSTRUCTION.

IT IS UNTIL THERE'S A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, SIR.

BUT FROM A, THE PERMANENT SIDE, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA SUPPORT YOU, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION WITH THEM HERE AT THE D.

UH, OKAY, SO, UH, YES, COMMISSION.

YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO IT APPEARS THAT THE NEW POLLS ARE FOR, UM, FIBER ONLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? I SEE THAT ON THE PLAN.

IT COMES FROM THE, UH, FIBER DROPBOX AND THEN OVER TO THE EXISTING POLES, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YEAH.

SO WHY, WHY DO WE NEED POLES? JUST FOR FIBER? WHY AREN'T THOSE BURIED? UH, UP TO THAT FIRST, FIRST PERMANENT POLE? THE EXISTING POLL? GO AHEAD, JAMES.

BECAUSE THE FIBERS BEING FED FROM THE BACK OF THE SITE.

SO IF YOU FLIP OVER, UM, THERE'S TECHNOLOGY DRAWING, JAMES, THEY GOTTA GET YOU ON RECORD.

THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THIS LATER.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO ON SHEET, UM, T 100, SO NEXT TO THE LAST EXHIBIT, SO THAT, THAT'S THE PATH OF THE EXISTING LINE.

NOW IT'S ALL OVERHEAD COMING TO THE BACK END OF THE BUILDING, AND SO TO PUT THOSE THREE POLES ON THE SOUTH END ALLOWS THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN UNENCUMBERED.

SO WE'RE FREEING UP.

SO THE, THE MASTER PLAN OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE, UH, PUTTING A DETENTION POND IN THAT, UM, CENTER PORTION, UH, RIGHT THERE WHERE MR. ATKINSON IS POINTING CURRENTLY.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAR AREA IN ORDER TO NOT CREATE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD.

AND, AND SO AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD IMPEDE IMPEDED, IT WOULD BE IMPEDED, UH, AN IMPEDIMENT WITH THE DRAINAGE.

I, I DON'T SEE ANY DRAINAGE RETENTION POND ON YOUR PLAN HERE.

SO BECAUSE THIS IS JUST FOR THE AERIAL, UH, IF YOU, UH, MR. ATKINS, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE OVERALL, SO THAT'S THE, UH, GO DOWN TWO PAGES, SORRY.

SO IN THAT SHADED AREA, THIS IS JUST THE ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN, BUT IN THAT KIND OF LIGHT GRAY SHADED AREA IN BETWEEN THE HATCHED IN THAT TRIANGLE AREA RIGHT THERE IS WHERE THE PROPOSED ATTENTION AREA WILL BE.

AND YOU, AND YOU GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS, DOWN TO THE SOUTH AND CONNECTS TO A BIGGER DRAINAGE FOR THE CITY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO STAY OUT OF THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT HELP, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT THE DRAINAGE AREA IS THIS DARK GRAY YES, SIR.

THAT WE, THAT WE SEE.

AND, AND YOU CAN'T RUN A CONDUIT OR UTILITY THROUGH THERE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH OF THE DRAINAGE OF THE SITE.

AND THAT'S A MAJOR, UH, THOROUGHFARE GOING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.

UM, IT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE, I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO GO UNDERNEATH A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT WILL ERODE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

I THINK IT'S A SAFER BET TO GO OVERHEAD THAN IT WOULD BE TO GO UNDERGROUND.

UH, TYPICALLY WE DO A DISCUSSION AFTER MOTIONS MADE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW SOMETHING OUT TO YOU GUYS BEFORE WE DO, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE MOTION CORRECTLY.

UH, SO JUST ME PERSONALLY, I'M, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE THINGS IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THE, BUT I AM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE THINGS IN THE FRONT, LIKE RIGHT, OR FIVE.

UM, SO PERSONALLY FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS, I WOULD LIKE SOME KIND OF CLOCK ONTO HOW LONG WE WILL ALLOW THE, UH, THE TEMPORARY POLLS AND TEMPORARY LINES.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY OR NOT, AND I WANNA BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM TO LENIENCY.

I BELIEVE YOU WERE ASKING, UH, IT SAID TENTATIVELY SPRING OF 24.

IS THAT WHAT IT SAID? SO, I, I, I MEAN, I'M FINE EXTENDING THAT PAST THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT UP TOO FAR PAST THAT.

SO, UM, UNLESS ANYONE HAS AN OBJECTION OR HAS ANY OTHER IDEA, YEAH.

UM, WITH, TO APPROVE THE, THE PERMANENT POLLS ON THE SOUTH END AS REQUESTED AND TO APPROVE THE TEMPORARY LINES UNTIL JANUARY, 2025.

I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THEN.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS,

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JANUARY 1ST, 2025.

THAT'S MORE THAN, THAT'S WELL PASSED.

UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE 'EM DOWN BY THEN WE GOT BIGGER PROBLEMS. THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT IS THE CASE.

SO MY MOTION, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? THANK YOU.

UH, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOTIONED BY MYSELF, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MATA.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

IF WE GIVE THEM UNTIL THE 1ST OF JANUARY, IF THE BUILDING BECOMES SOONER THAN THAT, DO THEY HAVE POTENTIALLY, IF IT DOES GO ACCORDING TO SCHEDULE, DO THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE SEVEN MONTHS WHERE THE POLES ARE OUT THERE, BUT THEY NO LONGER NEED TO BE? OKAY.

GIVE THEM MORE TIME.

SO THE CONSTRUCT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, IF IT, LIKE WHAT NATE WAS SAYING, IF IT GOES PAST THE SUMMER OF 2024, UH, THE POLLS, THE TEMPORARY POLLS WILL BE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AREAS, THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN.

UH, UH, VICE CHURCHES, UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE PROJECT.

I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOTION.

I'M ASKING, OKAY, YOU GUYS WOULD BE AMENABLE TO JUST AMENDING IT TO WILL'S SUGGESTION OF THE COO, COO'S GONNA SOLVE ALL THOSE ISSUES.

IT DOESN'T PUT AN EXACT DATE, BUT ONCE THAT COO'S ISSUED, THOSE LINES NEED TO BE DOWN AND FOLKS WILL BE ABLE TO, BUT THE CERTIFICATE, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND, AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT I'M JUST AFRAID, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THAT GETS PUSHED BACK, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR BACK CAN WE PUSH THAT BACK? AND I JUST, I WAS AFRAID YOU, SO I, WHEN SHE MADE HER COMMENT, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO BOTH, WHICHEVER HAPPENS SOONER, OR I, I DON'T KNOW.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO, TO NOT LET IT GO WITHOUT SOME KIND OF DATE, EVEN IF IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY FOR THE BACK.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I I GET THAT.

BUT IF THERE'S A MAJOR DELAY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK YEAH.

FOR THE ENTIRE, YEAH.

AND ASK FOR, FOR AN EXTENSION ANYWAYS.

IF WE PUT A HARD, IF WE DON'T HAVE PUT A HARD DATE, THEN THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY, THAT THAT TAKES A HARD DATE AWAY JUST IN CASE SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN.

UM, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THEY CAN'T OCCUPY THE BUILDING UNLESS THEY, THEY PULL THOSE DOWN AND HAVE THAT CERTIFICATE OF THAT.

THAT'S MY ONLY SUGGESTION.

I, I'M IN FAVOR EITHER WAY, BUT IT'S MY ONLY, YES, SIR.

JUST TO CLARIFY THERE, THIS IS A TWO PHASE PROJECT.

OUR PRIMARY BUILDING THAT WILL BE OCCUPYING THE, THE PRIMARY OCCUPANCY HERE IS A PHASE ONE PROJECT.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE PHASE TWO FOLLOWING BEHIND THAT, WHICH, WHICH WILL CAUSE THESE TEMPORARY POLLS TO BE, OR THESE EXISTING POLLS AND OR TEMPORARY POLLS TO BE REMOVED.

UH, IF IT IS GONNA BE TIED TO A CFO, WE'D ASK THAT WOULD BE FOR THE PHASE TWO CFO.

PLEASE, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, DOES THAT WORK WITH US? YES.

AND AGAIN, AT THAT POINT, IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S GOING TO BE PHASE TWO, THAT'S IF WE'RE LAYING OFF PHASE ONE THAT WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN THESE POLLS RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST I DO.

MAYBE YOU GUYS DON'T, BUT I KNOW I I WOULD.

SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE, IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF, IF YOU, IF IT IS GONNA BE TIED TO A CFO, I IF IT COULD BE FOR THE PERMANENT CFO FOR BOTH PHASE ONE AND TWO, PLEASE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'M, I'M FINE WITH, WITH KEEPING, IF YOU GUYS ARE FINE WITH KEEPING THE DATE, BECAUSE NOW IF WE'RE THROWING IN A DUFF WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS INTO THIS MOTION SURE.

IT STARTS TO GET A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.

SO IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE JANUARY ONE, THEN, THEN I, AGAIN, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

IF ANYONE, IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN'T.

THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, B, CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE PLUM CREEK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT, UH, CH 53, EXHIBIT A, PLUM CREEK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, ARTICLE TWO PART C, UH, P U D, DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, SECTION NINE, EMP EMPLOYMENT, P U D DISTRICT IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.

BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS AT THE MOMENT.

UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

ALL THOSE A FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

I'LL POST MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

OKAY,

Public Hearing

Recommendation to City Council

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THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.

DOES

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ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU MAY COME UP NOW SEEING NOT ON A CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

MR. AON, I'M JUST GONNA STAY SITTING HERE.

SO, UM, WILL ATKINSON, FOR THE RECORD PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE A PROPOSED, UH, ZONING IN TO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE WITHIN THE PALM CREEK PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR AREAS THAT ARE ZONED EMPLOYMENT.

EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT IS AN AREA THAT IS SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSIVE FROM A SCALE AND USE PERSPECTIVE THAN GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING IN THE, IN THE HOME CREEK, BUT LESS INTENSIVE THAN THE LATIN INDUSTRIAL, WHICH YOU SEE OVER THERE OFF OF THE EAST.

UH, THE AMAZON FACILITY, LOWE'S, UM, OVER THERE ON THE INSIDE OF MARKETPLACE.

THAT'S ALL BY INDUSTRIAL.

THE BIGGEST AREA THAT WE HAD IN DISTRICT IS NORTH ON 1620, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER SPOTS.

SO OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN CONSIDERABLE INTEREST IN BUSINESSES COMING IN AND OPERATING AND DEVELOPING REALLY PAD SITES IN THE AREA THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION OFF OF 1626 TO THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT WE HAVE.

UM, AND SOME PEOPLE, AND THERE'S A SECTION OF THE CODE IN THERE THAT THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION VERSUS LOMAR, WHICH IS THE OPERATING PARTNER, PORT PALM CREEK, ON BEHALF OF THE NEGATIVE FAMILY, WE'RE, WE'RE AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MASSAGE THE WORDING OF IT, HOW TO AMEND CODE TO MAKE A MOVER.

WE'RE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS, IS THAT CODE SECTION.

SO SCROLLING DOWN HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE EDITS HERE.

THE PART IN RED IS, THAT'S STRUCK, IS WHAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW.

SO THE ISSUE IS THAT THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE IS THAT WHETHER IT IS SOME MANUFACTURERS ON SITE OR COMPANIES THAT HAVE WAREHOUSING OR NEW OFFICES THAT HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAREHOUSING ON SITE, THEY CAN PRODUCE ALL THESE ITEMS, BUT THEN THEY ARE LIMITED TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA, WHICH DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T GEL.

THEY NEED, THEY NEED A BIGGER FLOW AREA THAN THAT TO STORE THEIR FACIL, THEIR, THEIR FINISHED PRODUCTS, UM, TO THEN SHIP OUT TO THE US REGIONALLY, INTERNATIONAL, WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT THEIR PRIMARY GOAL IS MANUFACTURING OR MAKING SOMETHING PRODUCIBLE.

SO, UM, MO MARKET FEELS THE OPPOSITE.

SO THE STUFF IN BLUE AND ALSO PARTIALLY HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO PROPOSED LANGUAGES, INSTEAD OF WAREHOUSE STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTER PROVIDING, PROVIDING DEVELOPMENT IS OBVIOUS, EXCEED A MAXIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA.

WE WANT TO HAVE THE PARTNER THAT SAYS LOGISTIC CENTERS PROVIDED THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING DOES NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS SQUARE AREA, WHERE THIRD PARTY FINISHED PRODUCTS ARE STORED AND THEN DISTRIBUTED, PROVIDED THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING DOES NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM OF SQUARE FEET.

GROSS SQUARE, A LOGISTIC CENTER IS A FACILITY FOR FREIGHT FORWARDING COMPANIES OR LOGISTIC COMPANIES THAT HAVE THIRD PARTY PRODUCTS THAT ARE WAREHOUSED, STORED AND DISTRIBUTE, DISTRIBUTED WITH INTENT TO DELIVER TO RETAIL OUTLET.

LOGISTIC CENTERS DO NOT HAVE ANY DIRECT OR ONSITE RETAIL OR WHOLESALE SALES INTERACTION.

SO THESE ARE SPACE.

SO THIS IS, AS IS WORDED FAIRLY DETAILED AND POTENTIALLY CONFUSING.

BUT WHAT WOULD COME TO, AND THIS IS WITH COORDINATION WITH STAFF LEGAL ON BOTH SIDES AND MO THAT THIS WORDING, IF IT'S NOT A LOGISTICS CENTER, WHICH IS LIKE SOMETHING LIKE AMAZON OR THE FEDEX WAREHOUSES AND ALL THAT, THEN THEY ARE NOT LIMITED TO A WAREHOUSE HOLDING FACILITY ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IF HOUSES THE ISSUES THAT THEY CAN HAVE A BIGGER SPACE, THEY CAN STILL HAVE TRUCKS SHIPPING IT OUTTA THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR PRIMARY USE.

SO PRIMARY USE IS SOMETHING IN MANUFACTURING, UM, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO, SO THERE'S THAT.

AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST SITE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS, UH, FOR, FOR CODE.

SO WE WANTED TO UPDATE THE SCREENING AREAS AND WHERE YOU HAD THE SCREEN LOADING AREAS, WASTE FOR RECYCLING AREAS, UH,

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UTILITY EQUIPMENT.

UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS LANDSCAPING PUT IN THERE AS WELL.

UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CREEK CODE, UM, WE RELY ON, UH, THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO DO THE LANDSCAPING AND REQUIRE AND WE, AND ALSO EXTERIOR LIGHTING.

SO ALL THESE, ALL THESE CODE UPDATES WERE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH THE CITY.

AND SO DO Y ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST, UH, A LITTLE BIT MAYBE ON THE WORDS, UH, WILL, FOR FIRST OFF THERE YOU SAID THIRD PARTY FINISHED GOODS.

UM, SOME OF THESE PLACES MAKE THEIR OWN GOODS.

WHAT CAN WE JUST STRIKE THIRD PARTY, JUST SAY FINISHED GOODS RATHER THAN THIRD PARTY FINISHED GOODS? SO FOR EXAMPLE, AMAZON MAKES SOME OF THEIR OWN PRODUCTS, BUT THEY ALSO SHIP A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S PRODUCTS.

SO THE REASON WHY IT SPECIFICALLY HAS THIRD PARTY IS BECAUSE LOGISTICS PRIMARILY DUE TO THIRD PARTY, UH, FINISHED PRODUCTS STORE INSURED.

AND WE DO NOT WANT LOGISTIC ANY EMPLOYMENT.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ADDED AND THAT WAS, THAT SET PORTION WAS SOMETHING THAT MOAR, UM, ADDED IN THERE TO FURTHER RESTRICT IT TO THEIR OWN DISADVANTAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DRAW TO, UH, OKAY.

YES SIR.

SO HELPERS DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR THEIR DISADVANTAGE.

SO, UM, WHY DON'T THEY JUST DO A DEED RESTRICTION THEN ON THEIR OWN LAND SAYING THAT LOGISTICAL AWARE, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA, SO THEY'RE SOBER TO A THIRD PARTY BROKER THAT'S GONNA SELL THIS FOR THEM AND WE'RE NOT GONNA PSYCH UP THEMSELVES.

UM, WHY NOT JUST DO THIS IN A DERE RESTRICTION? BECAUSE WE CANNOT ENFORCE THE RESTRICTIONS AS A CITY.

IT'S A YEAH, BUT IT'S, WE WANT TO BE, WE, THE CITY'S WANTING TO BE ABLE TO IT.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IF, IF THE BUSINESS ON SITE OF THIS AREA IS MAKING THEIR OWN PRODUCTS AND IT'S MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS ALLOWED SO IT DOESN'T MEET THAT THIRD PARTY MM-HMM.

, THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE THE OTHER SIDE MM-HMM.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE RESTRICTING JUST DISTRIBUTION OUR LOGISTICS CENTERS TO 15,000 THEN? YES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO IF THEY HAVE A MANUFACTURER THAT WANTS A BIG WAREHOUSE ABOVE 15,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY WILL NOW BE ABLE TO DO SO.

SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE PRIMARY, CUZ CUZ THAT MIGHT BE A PART OF WHAT THEY DO, BUT YEAH, YOU ARE RIGHT.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO REDUCE TRAFFIC.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA REDUCE TRAFFIC.

ITS PRIMARY USE IS NOT TO HAVE SEMI GOING IN AND OUT ALL DAY NIGHT COMPARED TO, UH, A PLACE LIKE FEDEX.

SO THEY WILL HAVE SOME TRAFFIC THAT'S WITHOUT QUESTIONING, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE TO THE SAME SCALE, HAVE BOXES.

THERE'S, BUT FROM A SCALE PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE ENTIRELY ON PAGE.

I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, LIKE A FURNITURE STORE THAT DISTRIBUTES, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, LIKE ASHLEY FURNITURE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY PURCHASE HERE, THEY'RE THE MANUFACTURER OF THEIR, THEIR GOODS.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LARGE WAREHOUSE AND THEY'LL HAVE SOME TRUCKS, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TRUCKS THAT ARE NOT ONLY THEIR OWN SEMIS, BUT UPS, FEDEX, ALL THE OTHER MAJOR DELIVERY COMPANIES.

BUT THEY ARE ALSO A MANUFACTURER, WHICH IS A PRIMARY JOB GENERATOR AS WELL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WANTING MORE THAN LOGISTICS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY CAN HAVE A COMBINATION OF BOTH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE YEAH.

PRIMARY IS THE QUESTION.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO BE A FINE LINE IN

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YOU KNOW, UM, JUST LET'S OPEN IT UP TO OTHER, OTHER POSSIBILITIES AND, AND, AND WHEN IT'S CLEAR CUT, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT, BUT, BUT CERTAIN SITUATIONS ARE A BIT MORE GRAY MM-HMM.

THAN, THAN BLACK AND WHITE IN THE SITUATION.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STAFF WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH? YES SIR.

MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM THREE B.

IT HAS BEEN MOVED.

UM, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY VICE CHAIR CHASE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DOLO.

UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES SIR.

I WILL SAY THE CITY IS GETTING SOMETHING RETURNED THERE.

THE LANDSCAPING, THE SCREENING, I MEAN THAT'S A GOOD, IT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE TO AT LEAST SCREEN THE AREA AND GET IT, MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE JUST A MASSIVE WAREHOUSE.

IT'S A MANUFACTURING.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

UH, NEXT IT'S BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE SWAP ITEMS THREE D AND

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THREE C.

SO WE GO TO THREE D NEXT, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS.

NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THREE C, UH, THREE C CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CITIES OF KYLE'S PROPOSED DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

ITEM NUMBER THREE D, CONSIDER REQUEST TO REMODEL AN EXISTING CAR DEALERSHIP OF APPROXIMATELY 46,100 SQUARE FEET, LOCATED AT 24 7 95 IH 35 WITHIN THE I 35 OVERLAY DISTRICT STEEL HYUNDAI CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C U P DASH 2260.

UH, MS. SHARP, SO THIS IS A REMODEL OF AN EXISTING CAR DEALERSHIP.

UM, ON THE EAST SIDE, I GOING BY, UM, JUST NORTH OF NEWINGTON ROAD.

UM, THE MATERIALS ARE PRIMARILY BRICK AND SOME METAL, UM, WITH A METAL FOR DETAIL.

UM, AND SO THEY HAVE BROUGHT IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE I 35 OVERLAY FROM ITS EXISTING CONDITION.

UM, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING A LOT MORE, UM, SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, TYPICALLY WITH BAY DOORS LIKE THIS AND I OVERLAY, THEY HAVE TO BE, UM, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF GLASS AND THE FRONT AND LIKE THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON INSTALLING.

IT'LL BE, UM, SHIELDED FROM YOU OF THE FURNITURE OF AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS SCHOOL? NO.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR 3D? MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 3D.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY VICE JUDGE CHASE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MATA.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE FAVORS SAY AYE.

AYE.

I'LL OPEN US.

MOTION PASSES.

Consider and make a recommendation to City Council regarding the consideration of the City of Kyle's proposed Downtown Masterplan.

Public Hearing (Second of Two Public Hearings)

Recommendation to City Council

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THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING THIS ITEM, IT'S A SECOND, UM, OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, I DO HAVE ONE FORM FOR THIS.

IF THERE'S ANY, UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM.

UM, WHEN YOU DO COME UP, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

I'M GONNA START WITH, UH, MS. KNIGHT.

MY NAME IS LILA KNIGHT.

UH, AND I'M HERE FOR MY LAST THREE MINUTES BEFORE YOU, UH, TO DISCUSS THE, UH, PROPOSED DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

THE PLAN IS 149 PAGES LONG.

I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT AND I CERTAINLY CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO ADDRESS THEM WITHIN SIX MINUTES ALLOTTED INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I DO WANNA GO BACK.

UH, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME LAST TIME TO STATE THAT I DID ATTEND A MEETING CONCERNING THIS PLAN.

IT WAS ON THE AGENDA OF THAT MEETING.

I HAD TO PAY OVER A HUNDRED BUCKS

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TO A 10.

AND I MADE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THE ARCHITECTS WERE PROPOSING AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD REACH OUT TO ME.

I GAVE THEM ALL MY CONTACT INFORMATION AND I NEVER HEARD A WORD BACK.

UH, THERE'S BEEN MUCH MORE INFORMATION OUT ABOUT THE, THE UPCOMING COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN THAN THERE HAS THIS ONE.

AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I DO NOT KNOW WHY.

WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE PLANS, A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, AND A COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN WITH THE PURPOSE OF REVITALIZING AN AREA SHOULD BE FIRST AND FOREMOST ABOUT URBAN DESIGN.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

THERE IS NO MENTION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THIS DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

THE PLAN UTTERLY FAILS TO DO THAT.

UH, THERE'S NO REAL HISTORIC CONTEXT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OUR TOWN AT ALL, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

UM, THERE WAS A PHRASE NOT HAVE TO GO BACK TO GET YOU THE PAGE NUMBER THAT, UM, THEY WANT TO MODERNIZE OUR, HIS, OUR HISTORY, WHICH IS AN OXYMORON.

PRETTY SURE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

ANYWAY, THE PLAN DELVES INTO A LOT OF VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS, INCLUDING REQUIREMENTS FOR MATERIALS, I MEAN, ALL, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

AND I BELIEVE I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, THAT UNDER HOUSE BILL 24 39 PASSED IN 2019, WHICH WAS CO-AUTHORED BY BOTH REPRESENTATIVE DATE DATES FEELING WHO IS NOW SPEAKER OF THE TEXAS HOUSE AND DON BUCKINGHAM FROM THE SENATE.

IT DOES NOT ALLOW CITIES TO SPECIFY WHAT TYPES OF BUILDING MATERIALS ARE USED, PERIOD.

THERE IS A CARVE OUT OR WHAT ATTORNEYS WOULD CALL AN EXEMPTION.

AND THAT IS FOR AREAS DESIGNATED HISTORIC.

AND I KNOW THIS VERY WELL BECAUSE I WAS WORKING WITH, UH, AN ADVOCACY GROUP FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION WHEN THIS BILL FIRST PASSED, WHEN IT FIRST WAS INTRODUCED.

WE HATED EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BILL, EVERY SINGLE LINE, BUT WE KNEW IF WE DIDN'T WORK WITH THEM, EVERY HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WOULD'VE BEEN NULLIFIED.

SO WE WORKED WITH THEM AND WE GOT THAT CARVE OUT.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THE CITY OF KYLE IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

AND THAT REALLY, REALLY CONCERNS ME.

AND IT REALLY CONCERNS ME THAT WE ARE HIRING CONSULTANTS WHO APPARENTLY ARE NOT AWARE OF THE CURRENT STATE LAW FOR SPECIFYING MATERIALS.

UM, I THINK THAT THIS ASPECT OF THE PLAN SHOULD NOT BE SEPARATE.

IT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT A MASTER PLAN IS ALL ABOUT.

AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU JUST VOTE NO TO RECOMMEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE CAN DO BETTER.

THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, GOLD STAR THAT KYLE WANTS TO HAVE.

IT'S NOT, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.

SAYING NOT I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

UH, MR. SSON.

ENVIRONMENT FRIENDLY, A SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, AND HOW WE WANNA SEE DOWNTOWN.

SO A BULK OF THIS PROPOSED DOWNTOWN MASTER THING, UM, FOCUSES ON DOWNTOWN ABOUT HALF OF IT, IF I IF I READ IT CORRECTLY.

UH, THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS, WELL, INCLUDING THE I 35 OVERLAY AREAS, THE FIVE TRAILS, AND ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT, SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT.

UH, BUT AGAIN, THE LARGE FOCUS ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA BY AND LARGE.

SO EARLIER THIS YEAR OR LATE LAST YEAR, ACTUALLY, THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH BK ARCHITECTS TO CREATE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR BOTH A BUILT

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AND ALSO FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT COMING IN.

UM, WITHIN THIS, A INCLUDED A FINE BOUNDARY OF DOWNTOWN FOR PURPOSES, REVITALIZATION, AREA, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PARKING PLAN, COMPLETE STREETS AND IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE PLANS HERE AT CITY FACILITIES AND PROPERTIES, UH, ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS AND EXPECTATIONS FOR PROPERTIES WHEN THAT'S WHAT A, A SUB AREA PLAN.

THIS IS WHAT A, WHAT WE CALL BILL DOES.

IT PROVIDES EXPECTATIONS AS A FOUNDATION TO DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND THIS NICE CONCERNS ABOUT HOUSE BILL 24 39 THAT WAS PASSED IN 2018.

UM, SHE'S CORRECT.

THERE ARE CARVE OUTS TO ALLOW ALLOWED FOR, UM, ARCHITECTURAL APPROVALS IN.

UM, ONE OF THE WAYS WE DO THAT IS TO BE PART OF THE MAIN STREET CITY WHERE YOU CAN START WORKING ON A PROGRAM FOR THAT AND HAVE STAFF TO ACCOUNT THAT.

ANOTHER ONE IS TO, UM, PUT IN HISTORIC OVERLAY, IF THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER AVENUE.

AND THEN WE ALSO CURRENTLY HAVE THE CENTER STREET OVERLAY AS WELL, WHICH INCLUDES EVERYTHING WITHIN A 200 FOOT, 200 FEET OF THE CENTER LINE OF CENTER STREET FROM I 35 TO VETERANS DRIVE AND ALL THE, UM, IN ALL THE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT IS OWN C AND C2 AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE AN OVERLAY OVER MOST OF THIS AREA DOWNTOWN.

IT DOESN'T EXACTLY FIT IN, BUT THERES SOME OPTIONS THAT WE CAN USE AS A PROCESS TO GET TO YES ON THIS.

UH, HOW WE DO THAT IS GONNA BE ULTIMATELY UP TO COUNCIL.

BUT THIS DOCUMENT IN ITSELF IS A FOUNDATION TO PROVIDE AN EXPECTATION TO DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHENEVER WE ARE COORDINATING WITH DEVELOPERS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BREAK THE LAW.

THE HOUSE BILL HOUSEHOLD 24 39 WAS INTENTIONALLY SET UP BY, UM, STATE LEGISLATURES AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR.

AND WE HAVE FOR THAT QUESTION.

SO THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS DOWNTOWN MASTERMIND, IT'S 150 PAGES, IS THE FACT THAT IT'S A GUIDING DOCUMENT AND THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE ADOPTED AND IT PROVIDES FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PARKING PLAN, AND IT'S A PHASING PLAN FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN THE 12 BLOCK AREA.

AND THEN AS THAT GETS FILLED IN, THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND AMEND IT AFTER THAT.

AND POTENTIALLY SOMETHING WANTS TO DO, UM, I TOOK NOTES LAST TIME FOR SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND ALSO THIS TIME, UM, AS WELL, UM, IN HERE.

SO WITH THAT, UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS PAGE BY PAGE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY, IF YOU, WE, WE, WE WILL, UH, UH, UM, OR I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PAGE BY PAGE, BUT WE, WE'LL GET SOME OF THE MINUTIA QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE.

UM, I THINK FIRST THOUGH, WE SHOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE LARGER QUESTIONS.

SO THAT, THAT QUESTION OF WHY TO PLANS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, UM, ONE, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? AND TWO, HAS VIRGINITY LOOKED THIS LIKE, LIKE IF THE ANSWER IS WE'RE PLUGGING THIS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I MEAN, HAS VIRGINITY LOOKED US OVER? HAVE THEY HAVE GIVEN THEIR INPUT BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR TAKE ON IT.

SO FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, THIS CONTRACT WAS ENTERED INTO, AND THERE WAS A TIMEFRAME WITHIN THE CONTRACT FOR BK TO COMPLETE THIS.

UM, BUT THE LAST QUARTER OR LAST HALF OF THIS YEAR, SO THIS IS BEFORE WE ENTERED INTO A COMP PLAN FOR THE CITY REST OF THE CITYWIDE, IT WAS HANDLED AT THE ADMINISTRATION LEVEL BEFORE, UM, PRIOR TO ME BEING A DEPARTMENT HEAD, I'LL SAY THAT.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IS MOVING AHEAD OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN, IN A TYPICAL SENSE, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IS A SUB-COMPONENT, SUB-COMPONENT OF A LARGER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND IT IS, ALONG WITH A TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, A PARKS PLAN, UM, YOUR LAND USE MAP AND WHAT HAVE YOUR FACILITIES PLANS FOR OUR OVERALL FINANCE PLAN.

IT IS PART OF THAT, AND IT NORMALLY IS PART OF IT.

THAT'S WHY IT CAME FIRST.

UH, VIRGINITY IS COORDINATED WITH BTK ARCHITECTS ABOUT THIS.

AND SO THEY'RE GONNA BE COORDINATING FOR WHAT'S, WHEN THIS IS APPROVED, IT'LL BE WRAPPED INTO THAT.

SO WHERE IT'LL SLIDE THAT I CANNOT TALK, IT'LL SLIDE NICELY

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INTO THE OVERALL CONGREGATION.

SO, OKAY.

IT IS, IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE BIT ON THE ORDER.

I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THAT.

YEAH, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS APPROVED FIRST AND AT THE TIME IT WAS APPROVED, WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WOULD BE GETTING, WE'D BE GETTING A CONFERENCE PLAN GOING THROUGH, UM, THAT IS PROBLEMATIC, BUT IT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

UM, THE PROBLEM IS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING VIRGINITY WORK AROUND IT, I WISH THIS WAS MADE, THIS WAS MADE WITH THE SAME VISION THAT THEY WOULD HELP US WITH FOR THE REST OF THE, BUT, BUT THAT'S HIS PERSONAL OPINION.

UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT QUESTIONS.

I WILL START WITH VICE CHAIR, UH, CHASE, WHAT'S THE RUSH? WHAT'S THE RUSH? YEAH, I MEAN I, I, I AGREE.

I KNOW THIS IS A COMPONENT OF THAT, BUT IF THE CITY'S OUTLAYING, YOU KNOW, THE DOLLARS TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DONE, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT GROUP HAVE SOME, SOME COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS INSTEAD OF WORKING THAT PLAN AROUND THIS, IT SHOULD RIGHT.

BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

AND I, I GET IT, THERE WAS A CONTRACT, BUT WHAT'S THE RUSH OF, OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TODAY AND NOT WAITING, UM, TO HAVE THAT INCORPORATED? I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO MONETARY PENALTIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON OUR SIDE.

SO ARE ON THE CITY SIDE, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

UM, WE, WE'VE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH BEACH CODE.

I'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OVER 1200 RESPONSES IN THE CITIZENS, WHAT HAVE YOU.

JUST A COUPLE OF INTERNET OUTREACHES AND ALL THAT.

BUT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE POPPED UP AROUND THE SQUARE IN THIS 12 BLOCK AREA MM-HMM.

IN THE, THE LAST 10 YEAR.

UM, THAT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET A MASTER PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN KNOCKED OUT SO THAT ANYONE DECIDE TO DO REDEVELOP AND WE POINT TO AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THIS GUIDING DOCUMENT.

LET'S START WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH YOU.

WE WANT TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY, LET'S DO THAT.

LET'S USE THIS AS A FOUNDATION AND WORK TOGETHER HAND IN HAND AND FIND SOMETHING AWESOME.

CAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, OUR CODE WORKS, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE.

SO, SO I, I GUESS I STILL HAVE THIS, THE QUESTION, WHAT'S THE RUSH? RIGHT? I, I KNOW YOU SAID THERE'S SOME, I MEAN, IS THERE SOME, OH MAN, WE REALLY WANT THIS PROJECT, OR I KNOW YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, ANYTHING THAT HASN'T COME OUT YET.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE RUSH? I MEAN THE, THE COMP PLANS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, UM, NEXT OCTOBER.

SO, SO THERE'S, THIS WAS DIRECTION FROM, FROM CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY TO ADMINISTRATION CONTRACT TO DOWNTOWN.

THEY WANT, SEE, THEY WANTED TO SEE AN UPDATED ONE.

THEY WANTED, AGAIN, THERE'S SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY JUST ALL SEEM COME TOGETHER FROM DIFFERENT LAND REDEVELOPING THAT TIME LAST YEAR.

, I REPEAT THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT.

SO FROM, FROM THEIR EYES, UM, WELL, I CAN'T TYPICALLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO THIS.

SO WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THROUGH AND TRYING TO STAY ON TARGET WITH WHAT THE CONTRACT SAID.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, FROM HERE I'VE GOT A LOT OF SMALL QUESTIONS, I GUESS, UH, BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO EVERYONE ELSE.

IF YOU HAVE, JUST WANNA GO, I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS WANNA GO BY THROUGH CERTAIN PAGES OF THIS, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, OVERARCHING JUST OKAY.

UM, HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO BREAK IT UP.

WE CAN DO IT.

WE'VE GOT THE TIME WE START.

UH, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE SPECIFIC.

WELL, IN CERTAIN AREAS IT'S, UH, NIGHT'S POINT, IT'S KIND OF GENERAL AND THEN OTHER PLACES IT'S QUITE SPECIFIC.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE GENERALLY WOULD LIKE TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES.

AND THEN IT SAYS, HOURS OF OPERATION DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ARE REQUIRED TO REMAIN OPEN AT MINIMUM OF 10 HOURS BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 11:00 PM FOR BUSINESSES, MORE THAN TWO EMPLOYEES SPECIFYING, YOU KNOW, WORKING, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS HOURS FOR BUSINESSES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT BELONGS IN THIS KIND OF PLAN.

CAN THAT BE ENFORCED? WE CAN, WE CAN SET BUSINESS HOURS FOR THE BUSINESSES.

THEY CAN, THEY HAVE TO OPERATE IN, UM, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN THAT STAYS MORE ACTIVE IN THE EVENING, UM, INSTEAD OF SHUTTING DOWN LIKE FIVE OR SIX.

UM, AND SO WE

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WANT TO HAVE THE TRACK DOWNTOWN.

WE WANT FAMILIES TO GATHER AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

WE HAVE THE PARK THAT'S ALREADY DONE.

UH, BUT WE WANT BUSINESSES AROUND THE SQUARE.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE, AFTER THEY GET OFF WORK AND HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SO.

SO I AGREE WITH, UH, WHAT HE RAISED ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION.

THAT SURPRISED ME AS WELL, BECAUSE FOR OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IN THE PLANT TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S FRIENDLY, IT'S APPROACHABLE, IT'S CHARMING, IT'S HISTORIC.

AND TO ME THAT SAYS SMALL BUSINESSES AND IF YOU WANNA HAVE A LITTLE MOM AND POP RESTAURANT OR COFFEE SHOP OR STORE, I THINK TELLING PEOPLE WHAT HOURS THEIR BUSINESS HAVE TO BE OPEN IN ORDER TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESS IS GOING TO MAYBE BE A BARRIER FOR ENTRY TO THE MARKET FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.

AND SO THAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME ABOUT IS THAT SOMETHING WE REALLY WANNA HAVE? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, A COFFEE SHOP THAT WANTS TO DO BAKERY AND BRUNCH AND STUFF, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE OPEN FROM SEVEN TO FIVE.

AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE A FINE DINING RESTAURANT, WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE WANT.

THE VERSION I HAVE OF THIS PLAN IS REALLY BLURRY.

SO UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T READ A LOT OF THE GRAPHICS THAT THEY PREPARED ABOUT THE RESPONSES FROM CITIZENS, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WANTED NICE RESTAURANTS AND MAYBE SOME FINE DINING DATE NIGHT KIND OF SPOTS.

BUT THOSE DON'T NEED TO BE OPEN FROM ONE IN THE AFTERNOON TO 11:00 PM TO MEET THAT TIME WINDOW OF 10 HOURS.

SO I'M, I AGREE WITH HIS CONCERN ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

UH, GUYS, I I, I WANNA ASK YOU ALL HERE, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE WE OKAY TREATING THIS ITEM KIND OF LIKE A WORKSHOP AND JUST SPEAKING? OR WOULD YOU LIKE FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE A FLOOR, KEEP THE FLOOR AND THEN KEEP GOING IF YOU'RE OKAY FOR JUST GENERAL DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THAT? THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

I DIDN'T WANT CUT ANYONE OFF WHEN THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING, SO I AGREE.

FIRST THING I I THOUGHT OF WAS FINE DINING.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T OPEN FOR LUNCH.

THEY'RE THERE, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE WORKING THERE.

I MEAN, THEY START PREP, UH, IN THE MORNINGS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT OPEN FOR LUNCH OR BREAKFAST.

PERHAPS IT COULD BE TO HAVE, UH, ALLOWABLE HOURS.

AND I'D SAY BUSINESSES ARE ENCOURAGED TO, TO OPERATE BETWEEN THAT, OPERATE THOSE TIMES HOURS.

BUT, BUT IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, IT HAS TO BE MUCH LARGER ALLOWABLE HOURS.

YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE BREAKFAST.

YOU WANNA HAVE, YES, MAYBE NOT THREE TO 4:00 AM BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T SEE A REASON TO PUT ALLOWABLE HOURS BECAUSE ALL THAT IS, IS A RESTRICTION SAYING DON'T OPERATE BETWEEN BLANK HOURS.

AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE COULD PUT IT IN, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM HELPFUL IN THIS SITUATION UNLESS WE'RE AFRAID SOMEONE WANTS TO BE OPEN AT 3:00 AM WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.

CAN WE MAKE EDITS TO THIS MASTER PLAN OR DO WE JUST RAISE CONCERNS? AND THEN THE, THE AUTHORS OF THE PLAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION RETURN WITH A NEW VERSION.

SO, UM, Y'ALL ARE, MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT FOR EDITS OKAY.

IN THIS MANNER.

UH, AND THEN, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE UPDATING OUR STAFF REPORTS FOR NEXT WEEK ON THE SIXTH AND WITH, UH, THESE TS OKAY.

UM, THAT, THAT, RIGHT.

I HAD THIS SAME THOUGHT.

CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS NEXT WEEK.

AND THIS IS ON THE AGENDA.

IT'S, SO I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF, I KNOW OUR COMMENTS WILL BE LISTED AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL LOOK OUT THE WAY TO DO THAT.

AND MY HOPE IS COUNSEL WILL WATCH THIS TO, TO LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS.

BUT IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE IT INTO THIS, INTO THIS PLAN IN ANY WAY.

SO WHAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN, WELL, I CAN'T READ THE FUTURE.

WE'LL HAVE THE, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL HAVE THESE EDITS, POTENTIAL EDITS THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN IT.

AND SO COUNSEL IS NOT, WOULD NOT LIKELY BE APPROVING IT ON DECEMBER 6TH ON ONE ONE.

IT'S A MASSIVE DOCUMENT.

IT'S VERY DETAILED.

THERE'S GOING BE THE EDITS UNDOUBTEDLY.

SO THEY'LL PROVIDE DIRECTION AND THEN THE EDITS WILL BE MADE, MADE AND THEN BROUGHT BACK TO THEM.

UM, WE JUST, WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I, IT IS JUST FOR OUR PURPOSES, IT'S, BUT IT'S GONNA LEAVE US YEAH.

SO WE SPEAK NOW FOREVER.

HOLD OUR, UNLESS YOU WANNA SPEAK OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT TOO.

WE CAN DO THAT TOO.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

BUT WE ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YOU CAN EMAIL YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL.

YOU ARE ALSO A CITIZEN.

SEND IT BACK TO US WITH THE EDITED VERSION.

SORRY.

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UM, THEY CAN ALSO SEND IT BACK TO YOU ALL TO ME.

IF THEY SO CHOOSE, UH, I'M SORRY.

UM, COMMISSIONER GALORE, IF YOU STILL HAVE ITEMS, PLEASE CONTINUE.

I, I DO.

UH, ANOTHER PART IS, UH, THERE'S A SET OF, UH, STREET CROSS SECTIONS AND THEN, UH, SHOWING BOTH PEDESTRIAN, THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS BICYCLE AND BIKE TRAIL.

AND DO YOU HAVE A PAGE NUMBER TO LOOK AT THE PLAN? I'M SORRY? DO YOU HAVE A PAGE NUMBER? SURE.

YOU TALKING ABOUT, SO THE CROSS SECTIONS, I THINK START AT PAGE 1 24.

AND, UH, WHAT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER, UH, WOULD BE A SET OF OVERLAYS, AN OVERLAY FOR PEDESTRIAN, THE PEDESTRIAN ROUTES AND AN OVERLAY FOR THE, THE BICYCLE ROUTES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON BURON STREET, THERE IS, UM, THERE IS TWO 12 FOOT BIKE TRAILS, ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET, AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT.

AND THEN ON OTHER STREETS ONLY A SINGLE FIVE FOOT ONE.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S BECAUSE OF WIDTH RESTRICTIONS OF THE STREET.

WHAT PAGE? I'M SORRY.

OKAY, SO THESE, UH, CROSS SECTIONS START ON PAGE, UH, LET'S SEE, 1 21 24.

AND THEY KINDA GO THROUGH, SO YOU HAVE TO CONNECT 1 24, 1 25 TOGETHER FOR, UH, THAT FIRST STREET.

AND THEN CENTER STREET IS 1 26, 1 27 AND SO FORTH.

BUT YOU CAN SEE BRISSON STREET HAS 24 FEET BICYCLE TRAIL A BY TRAIL TO IT.

AND, UH, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED IT BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

SO IT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC.

BUT WHAT WOULD HELP WAS YOU CAN SEE THAT EACH STREET HAS ITS KIND OF AREA SECTIONED OFF RATHER THAN HAVE THAT HAVE A, HAVE AN OVERLAY JUST TO SHOW, SHOW WHAT IT IS.

IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE HOW IT ALL CONNECTS TOGETHER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

I, ON PAGE 1 27, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE A DAY ON SCREEN THIS, UM, THIS CROSS SECTION RIGHT HERE IS FOR CENTER STREET.

THE, UM, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANTED TO DIVIDE IT OUT, LIKE IN TERMS OF LIKE ONE, THE PEDESTRIAN IS ONE COLOR, THE BLACK LANE IS ANOTHER COLOR? LIKE ON THE SAME VIEW OR YEAH, ON A PLAN VIEW.

SO WE CAN SEE LIKE WHERE IT CROSSES THE STREETS AND ALL OF THAT.

LIKE THIS, THIS, THIS SHOWS THE CROSS SECTION AND IT SHOWS THE AREA, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW WHAT HAPPENS AT INTERSECTIONS.

UH, IF THERE'S RAMPS, IF THERE'S SEPARATE BORDERS OR DIVISIONS, UM, THAT SORT OF DETAIL.

OR IS IT NOT MEANT TO HAVE THAT SORT OF DETAIL.

AND THEN IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING IN BETWEEN, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN SHOW THE STREET CROSS SECTIONS IN A SPECIFIC AREA WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE THAT WAY, IT LEAVES FOR, WHENEVER YOU DO HAVE ENGINEER DRAWINGS BY CIVIL ENGINEER, THEY'LL GET DOWN TO THE, DOWN TO THE SUPER NITTY DETAILS ABOUT WHERE THE, THE ADA RAMP ACROSS THE STREET.

LIKE YOU NEED A, A BLINKING PEDESTRIAN LIGHT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, TO MAKE IT ALL WORK APPROPRIATELY.

CAUSE THEN IT ALSO SHOWS WHERE THE RIGHT EDGE IS AND THOSE PLANS AS WELL.

AND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN BKS DIDN'T HAVE, THEY'RE NOT CIVIL ENGINEERS, RIGHT? SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO BASIC LIKE, UH, STREET CROSS SECTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE.

BUT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THOSE PLANE DETAILS, WE NEED TO HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION.

BUT, UM, WE JUST WANT, IS IT TO SUFFICE TO SAY STREET CROSS SECTIONS, LOCATIONS NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR.

WELL, I GUESS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE USE OF THIS, IF, IF THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC PLAN, HOW, HOW WOULD WE MOVE FROM THIS MASTER PLAN TO A SPECIFIC PLAN FROM DOWNTOWN TO INCLUDE THE BIKE TRAILS AND SURE.

THE EXPANDED PEDESTRIAN AREA.

WHAT'S THE PROCESS THERE? SO THE, SO WHEN IT COMES, THERE'S GONNA BE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THIS PLAN'S GONNA BE APPROVED.

UM, THERE THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE, THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO OUTLAY CAPITAL TO MAKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAPPEN TO SOME EXTENT.

AND ALSO AS PROJECTS COME ALONG, THEY'RE PRIVATELY DEVELOPED, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO BUILD THEIR PORTION OF IT AS WELL, WHERE THERE'S ALREADY NOT THAT EXISTING STUFF SHOWN IN THE PLANT.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC.

UM, AS SOMEONE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT, UM, I LOOK AT PLANS EVERY DAY.

I LOOK AT MASTER PLANS AND ALL THAT.

IT MAKES SENSE TO ME LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT HERE.

AND AS I'M LOOKING AT ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, UM, LIKE

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AND WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT PICTURE.

SURE.

UH, UH, I'M SORRY, I JUST QUICKLY, SO THAT, THAT, THAT THAT SMALL LINE BETWEEN THE CAR AND THE BIKE.

IS THAT JUST TO SHOW THE DISTANCE OR IS THAT A PHYSICAL BARRIER? IT'S, IT'S BOTH.

IT IS A PHYSICAL BARRIER.

IT'S A PHYSICAL BARRIER FOR BIKE LANES.

THOSE ARE USUALLY ABOUT, ABOUT A FOOT.

UM, THEY'RE ABOUT SIX INCHES HIGH.

UH, SO THANK YOU.

I I, WHEN GET SOME MY TURN, I'LL HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM.

SO, SO PAGE FOR EXAMPLE, PAGE 1 26 AND 1 27.

UM, 1 26 IS THEIR, THEIR MIRROR IMAGES LIKE EACH OTHER.

YOU COMBINE 'EM TOGETHER, THAT'S CENTER STREET FOR YOUR PROPOSED.

SO THERE'S A 16 FOOT SIDEWALK ON EACH SIDE, A FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE, AND THEN, UM, A COUPLE, A COUPLE TRAFFIC LANES ON SIDE.

THERE'S 80 FEET FROM, RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND SO DO WE HAVE DONE NOW, SO THE CENTER STREET, CENTER STREET IN THIS DOCUMENT SHOWS THE PARKING BEING REMOVED ON THIS SECTION OF CENTER STREET WITH THE INTENT OF EXPANDING THE WALKABILITY.

NOW THE OVERALL PARKING PLAN ADDS OVER 750 PARKING SPACES.

SO YEAH, I'M NOT, I WOULD ACTUALLY AGREE WITH MOVING PARKING ON.

SO THE NIGHTMARE ANYWAYS, ACTION, ALL THAT STUFF.

BUT DO WE HAVE 80 FEET STILL EVEN WITH PARKING REMOVE? SO LET'S SEE.

CAUSE I COULD SEE RIGHT NOW THE EXPANDED SIDEWALK WOULD GO INTO PARK WHERE THE PARKING CURRENTLY IS.

SO YOU FANTASTIC THE BUILDING THE WALLS OF EACH BUILDING THAT'S BETWEEN, THAT'S EIGHT TOTAL.

SO, UH, 16 FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO IT'S 32 FOR BOTH SIDES LOOKING AT WELL, AND A FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE MINUS 10 IS IS 38.

SO THAT'LL STILL GIVE YOU ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO TRAFFIC LANES AND A MIDDLE TURN LANE EVEN.

SO THIS IS 42, RIGHT? YOU GOT 32 WITH THE SCAN SIDEWALK, FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE.

SO THAT BRINGS YOU UP TO 42 FEET.

AND THEN EACH LANE, I FORGET THE WIDTH OF THE LANE.

UM, YEAH, THEY'RE ABOUT 12, 12 EACH.

SO AN ADDITIONAL 24.

YEAH, THIS A 14 MIDDLE TURN LANE, WHICH IS, I HAVE A, I'LL JUST MAKE THE LAST COMMENT PLEASE.

SO WE, WE SHOW THE EXTENT 1616 FOOT SIDEWALKS.

UH, IN SOME TOWNS THAT I'VE BEEN IN WHERE IT'S QUITE HOT, WE HAVE A KIND OF A COORDINATED CANOPY, UH, STRUCTURE WHERE BUSINESSES EITHER SHARE GOSPEL, SOMEBODY ELSE PUTS IT IN HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARCHITECTS HAVE BLOCKED AROUND DOWNTOWN KYLE IN JULY, BUT, UH, CANOPY WOULD BE REALLY HANDY.

AND IF WE, IF WE HAVE STOREFRONT THAT'S RELATIVELY THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY, THAT COULD BE A MANAGEABLE THING AND MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN.

ALSO, THEY CAN ENTER INTO A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OR THE JURISDICTIONS, ANDS A RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THEY CAN PUT LIKE A CANOPY OR MAYBE SOME SEATS UNDER IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I'M THINKING OF, UH, IF THE BUILDINGS ARE CONT CONTIGUOUS, THEN HALF THE CANOPIES FUND CONTIGUOUS FROM THE BUILDING, NOT NECESSARILY COVER THE WHOLE 12 FEET, BUT MAYBE SIX FEET OR SO, KINDA LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE HERE, BUT WE EXTEND EVEN FURTHER OFF.

LIKE THE CONSIDERATION.

THAT'S ALL WE, MR. CHAIR.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO JUMP IN? JUST GET MR. CHAIR, THIS IS NEIL STEGEL.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

COMMISS SIEGEL, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YES, I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE IDEA OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, UM, I'VE GOT A BASIC CONCERN THAT THAT WAS GLOSS OVER, UM, PROBABLY PRACTICALLY AS WELL AS IN THIS DOCUMENT.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN EVIDENCE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO OCCUPY THESE 17, 16 RESIDENCES DOWNTOWN AND PERHAPS THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A WHILE AND WERE ACTIVELY CANVASED OR SOLICITED TO PARTICIPATE IN MEETINGS TO, UH, EXPLAIN THIS PROCESS TO THEM OF WHAT IT MEANT TO EVEN COME

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UP WITH A PLAN.

UM, SO WHO THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE, UH, IN, ON THE FRONT END OF THIS IS A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE NOT TO BE ANSWERED NOW, I WOULD GUESS.

UM, SECOND, I ALSO NOTICED THESE HOURS OF THE BUSINESSES.

I, I HAVE A, A GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THAT AS SPOKEN TO BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

I NOW HAPPEN TO BE SITTING IN A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW IN FLORIDA, UH, A GREEK FISHING VILLAGE IN OS AND IT HAS, UH, BEAUTIFUL LITTLE DOWNTOWN.

AND IN FACT, ALL THE SHOPS ARE CLOSED RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

BUT DURING THE DAY, THE TOURISTS AND THE LOCALS FLOOD THE PLACE UP UNTIL PROBABLY 6:00 PM ESPECIALLY DURING TOURIST SEASON.

SO I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE DISCRETION TO MANAGE YOUR OWN BUSINESS HOURS.

INDEED, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, BE, UH, THINKING ABOUT COMING DOWNTOWN.

UM, I DON'T WANT THOSE HOURS TO FORECLOSED POSSIBILITIES, UM, THAT MIGHT EXIST EXISTS.

UH, AND ALSO A QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE FOR STAFF, BUT HERE'S A THOUGHT I HAD THAT IN MY EXPERIENCE, CONSULTANTS COME IN AND THEY WORK WITH A PARTICULAR PARTY, BUT AT A CERTAIN TIME THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EXECUTION OF A PLAN.

YOU KNOW, IN THE END IT'S UP TO A COMPANY OR THE ENTITY TO EXECUTE THE PLAN THEMSELVES, PERHAPS WITH GUIDANCE ON IMPLEMENTATION.

BUT IN THE END, IN THE END, IT IS THE COMPANY OR THE ENTITY THAT MUST CARRY IT OUT.

SO A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, IS THIS PARTICULAR CONS, UH, FIRM GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO CONSULT WITH THIS ON THE VARIOUS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE CITY AND ENGINEERS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? OR IS THIS JUST A DONE DEAL WHERE THEY WALK AWAY AT A POINT IN TIME AND FOR OPPORTUNITIES WORKING WITH IT? SO THAT, I GUESS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF TO WRAP THAT UP SO I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

SO AS, AS PROJECTS COME ALONG, THERE'S SEVERAL REFERENCES IN THIS DOCUMENT TO THE CITY ARCHITECT, IF YOU WILL.

UM, AND THEN A PROCESS TO RECEIVE APPROVAL OF MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AS WELL THROUGH THE CITY ARCHITECT.

CURRENTLY THERE IS NOT A CITY ARCHITECT.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS IDENTIFIED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO PROVOST DEPARTMENT.

SO TO CONTINUE A MOVING ALONG IN THIS FASHION, IF, IF, IF IT'S A ISSUE BEYOND THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO KEEP THAT PORTION OF THIS DOCUMENT IN THERE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT FOR RFQ, UH, REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FIRM TO COME IN AND, UM, SAY TO, TO WORK WITH, UH, DEVELOPERS AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO, TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS IN THAT, IN THAT PROCESS.

ONES THAT HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.

STAFF HAS A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE FROM A MATERIAL STANDPOINT, DO USE PERMITS, BUT ARE ALSO NOT ARCHITECTS.

WE WORK WITH ARCHITECTS ON THE OTHER END OF IT FROM CONSUMERS PERMITS.

BUT, SO IF, IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD, THIS SORT OF PROCESS WE KNOW TO OFFER RQ, UM, I'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE, WITH, WITH OTHER STAFF ABOUT.

SO, UM, AND THAT, HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK ULTIMATELY IS LIKELY THAT WE WOULD BE A, EITHER BE A, IT WOULD BE A FEE THAT THE COST HAS TO CHARGES, IT'S THE SAME THING, WASTE, UM, A DEVELOPER GOES OVER TO OUR THIRD PARTY SERVICE AND SO THEY CHARGE HIM THE FEE TO RUN THE MODEL AND WHAT HAVE, SO, AND AGAIN, ULTIMATELY WITH HOUSE, THIS IS NEIL STEGEL AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR THE INPUT THERE.

I, UM, SEE THIS AS NECESSARY IN DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.

I, I'VE READ THE DETAILS ABOUT THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND SO FORTH, UM, AND THE OTHER KINDS OF INPUT UP TO DATE.

UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS A VERY AMBITIOUS PLAN AND THAT'S OKAY, BUT I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE EXECUTION OF THIS PLAN PHASE BY PHASE, THAT IT'D BE REALLY SMART AND FAIR MINDED AND REALLY CONTINUE TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS IT MOVES THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT PHASES.

THAT'S, THAT IS, ARE YOU ASKING FOR A RESPONSE TO THAT OR JUST TO LISTEN TO YOUR CONCERN? NO, THAT WAS JUST A, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A FINAL COMMENT ACTUALLY.

UH, I THINK BOTH COMMISSIONER KIN AND I HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS. SO IF, UH, VICE JUDGE CHASE OR OR COMMISSIONER MARTHA HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO JUMP IN FIRST, I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS A FLOOR.

OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA GO WITH OURS.

GO FOR IT.

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UM, I WILL LET YOU GO FIRST COMMISSION.

UM, SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WILL, HOW DETAILED WE NEED TO BE WITH OUR COMMENTS ON HERE.

IF I FOUND A SPELLING MISTAKE, DO I AIR IT HERE OR DO WE LET IT GO AND TRUST THAT IT WILL BE FIXED BEFORE IT GETS OFFICIALLY APPROVED IN THE FUTURE? LET US KNOW CAUSE WE MADE THIS.

PAGE 16, THE I 35 CORRIDOR.

IT SAYS THAT, UH, THE HOPE IS OF EXPANDING AND MONITORING THE FRONTAGE ARCHITECTURE.

MODERN IS NOT A WORD, MODERNIZING, SO I'M SO SORRY FOR EVERYONE WHO'S HERE.

THIS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE FOR SPELLING ERRORS AND 150 PAGES.

GIVE US SOME THINGS.

I GET TO BE HONEST, I WAS THE ONLY ONE I FOUND, SO I WAS JUST CHECKING.

UM, ALRIGHTY.

SO ON PAGE, ON PAGE 13, WE HAVE AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THE, THE 12 BLOCKS IN QUESTION.

AND THEN ON PAGE 18, WE HAVE ANOTHER DOWNTOWN VIEW AND THERE'S A, AN OVERLAP OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE C B D, BUT IT'S, UH, NINE BLOCKS INSTEAD OF 12 BLOCKS.

SO IS THAT SHOWING AN EXISTING DOWNTOWN CORE, WHICH IS ONLY NINE BLOCKS? OR IS IT, DID THEY JUST FORGET A CAN YOU GO DOWN TO 18? 18 YOU SAID 18.

SO I WAS JUST NOTICING THAT THE TWO WERE SHOWING DIFFERENT THINGS AND IF IT'S SHOWING AN EXISTING FOR, WE MIGHT NEED TO SPECIFY THAT.

YEAH, THAT IS A GOOD CATCH.

THANK.

YEP, THAT IS IMPORTANT.

SO MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE PREFERRED USES FOR THE TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS AND VIBES.

ON PAGE 27, UM, IT SPECIFIES A FEW DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL AND OTHERS.

SO WE HAVE COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, MIXED USE, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, AND RETAIL AND SERVICES.

SO I HAVE ONE CONCERN ABOUT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND THE RETAIL SERVICES IS THAT THOSE DO, I'M PRETTY SURE ALLOW THINGS LIKE DRIVE-THROUGHS.

UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS VIBE TRAIL IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO CONNECT TO TRAILS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE PEDESTRIANS, MORE SMALL, LIKE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I'M A LITTLE BIT HESITANT ABOUT ALLOWING GENERAL THINGS LIKE RETAIL SERVICE WHERE THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK IN AN AREA AS IMPORTANT FOR THE KIND OF, I WOULD SAY, PREMIER LIFESTYLE, ATTRACTION OF FUTURE KYLE.

SO I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO SCRATCH RETAIL AND SERVICES OR AT LEAST RAISE THAT FOR CONSIDERATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT RETAIL SERVICE HAS THAT COMMUNITY DOESN'T.

FOR WHICH SECTION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE TRAIL ORIENTED, TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS AND VIBES, UH, COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, RETAIL SERVICES.

YOUR CONCERNS DIFFERENT ON READING THE SCREEN UP THERE? YEAH, NO, IT'S THE SAME THING.

AND MY, MY CONCERN IS JUST THAT FOR THESE VIBE SPOTS, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR OUR CITY.

SO UNLESS WE HAVE AN OVERLAY OR SOME OTHER WAY TO GET, UM, A BIT MORE SAY FOR THE CITY AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE PUT THERE, I DON'T WANT OUR PRECIOUS VIBE SPACE BEING CHEWED UP BY MAYBE SUBOPTIMAL USES.

LIKE IF IT WERE STRAIGHT ZONING RETAIL SERVICES AND THERE WAS A DRIVE THROUGH ALONG THE BY OR SOMETHING.

YOU THINK THE, THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE BETTER USES THAN THE RETAIL SERVICES? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING, UM, THE REZONING OF A PROPERTY ON OLD STAGE COACH THAT THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL VERSUS RETAIL SERVICE GAVE THE CITY PLANNERS A BIT MORE SAY ABOUT LIGHTING A BIT MORE SAY ABOUT, UM, SCREENING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN MAYBE RETAIL SERVICE WOULD BE, BUT IT DOES, I ACKNOWLEDGE IT STILL ALLOWS FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH POSSIBILITIES.

I, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PAGE AS WELL, AND IT'S KIND OF TIED INTO THIS, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUST JUMP IN.

ABOVE THAT, JUST ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS I 35 CORRIDOR, IT SAYS PROHIBIT STRIP CENTERS, OUTDOOR STORAGE, SELF STORAGE, UH, FAST FOOD AND BIG BOX RETAIL.

UM,

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SO ONE, SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, CAN WE DO THAT? CAN YOU JUST SAY, YOU CAN'T HAVE BLANK USES IN THIS AREA? AND IF, WHICH I DIDN'T, THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

WE HAVE TO ANSWER THAT FIRST, BUT SECOND, IF WE'RE DOING IT THERE, WHY COULDN'T WE ALSO DO IT IN THE TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SECTION? UM, BUT I CAN WE DO THAT? I I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A THING WE CAN DO.

YEAH, OKAY.

HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? HAVE, BE CAREFUL ABOUT IT, BUT YES.

SO, UM, DOWNTOWN CORE RESIDENTIAL, WE DO NOT WANT BIG BOX STORES.

WE WANT THE MORE BOUTIQUE, MORE MOM AND POP KIND OF MORE UNIQUE SCALE SHOPS THAT ARE IN THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF WHAT'S USUALLY TWO OR THREE STORY, RIGHT? BUT, BUT WHAT WE DO NOW IS WE JUST SAY IN CBD ONE, CBD TWO, YOU CAN'T DO BLANK.

UM, HOW DO WE SAY THAT? CAUSE THAT SAYS I 35 EAST IS WHAT THAT SECTION IS IN.

AND SO HOW DO YOU SAY YOU CAN'T DO THESE SPECIFIC THINGS IF IT'S NOT IN A SPECIFIC ZONING, IF IT'S JUST IN A GENERAL AREA? SO, AND THIS MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCE.

MAYBE CHANGE THE WORD EAST, AS I UNDERSTAND THE AREA IS THE HIGHWAY RIGHT THERE, RIGHT ACROSS THE TRACKS FROM US.

THE UH, ARENA MAN WENT UP HERE ON WORKPLACE, THEY WERE BOTHS AND WE, WE WERE ABLE REALLY GET ON IT.

IN A FUTURE EXPANSION OF DOWNTOWN EVENTUALLY.

SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO MAKE IT A, A COOL LINEAR, UM, WALKABLE AREA POTENTIALLY.

SO, UM, AND IT IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN FROM A SUBDIVISION STANDPOINT, BUT FROM A PERSPECTIVE IT'S A LOT MORE COMMON HIGH.

THAT'S, I DON'T WANNA HIJACK HER QUESTION, BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT I'M, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF WE CAN DO IT, THERE WOULD, WOULD DOING IT IN THE TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREA, SAY PROHIBIT SPECIFIC USES, UM, SO THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE THEY EVEN SAY FAST FOOD OR, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU COULD PUT UP A DRIVE THROUGH OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING.

UM, YOU COULD DO THAT THERE, BUT I STILL AM UNSURE AS TO HOW WE DO THIS.

WE CAN'T, IT'S MOSTLY THROUGH, UM, AT LEAST ON THE FIVE SIDE, UH, THE PREDOMINANT WAY WE GET A VIABLE NODE IS THROUGH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE HAVE, WE CAN GET REALLY NUANCED INTO THE DETAILS THERE AND SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A, B, AND C, BUT YOU CAN HAVE THIS.

BUT IF YOU, HEY, IF YOU HAVE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ONE, TWO, AND THREE, RIGHT? SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, OTHER AREAS OF SPECIAL DISTRICTS, IT MAY ALSO BE A COMMUNITY, BUT IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE THAT SAYS, IT GIVES US DIRECTION TO SAY, HERE ARE SOME ACTION ITEMS TO DO A, B, AND C TO GET THE PLAN STARTED IN PAGE ONE, PUT DOWN TO MASTER ONE.

AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIST, THERE'S A CHART HERE ON THE, THAT ABOUT THERE.

THEN WE NEED TO START DOING THOSE CODED ON THIS TO ACCOUNT FOR.

SO YEAH, BUT PAGE 20 AND, AND I THINK WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GOING INTO A LITTLE DANGEROUS PAGE 27 IS ALL USES, THIS ISN'T JUST DOWNTOWN.

I MEAN, THIS IS THE, THE COVER PAGE FOR THIS SECTION IS DESIGN STANDARDS AND IT SAYS S KYLE DOS PROJECT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

AND THEN IT LISTS FOUR DIFFERENT SECTIONS.

ONE BEING DOWNTOWN CORE, ONE BEING I 35, 1 BEING, UH, TRAIL ORIENTATED AND, AND THEN KYLE'S SUBURBS.

SO THERE'S NO SUBURBS AND THERE'S NO BIG LOT SLIPPING HOME.

THE, SO THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH DOESN'T START UNTIL CORRECT.

70 SOME ODD PAGES DOWN THIS, THIS LIST.

SO THIS IS A DESIGN STANDARD OR A RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD FOR ALL OF I 35 CORRIDOR.

AND I AM HIGHLY AGAINST SAYING WE CAN'T HAVE FAST FOOD OR DRUG.

RIGHT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT LINE.

LIKE I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO THIS.

SO WHEN I SAY THE I 35 EAST, IS THAT YOUR CONCERN? NO, NO, NO.

MY CONCERN IS WE WERE, WE WERE LIKE ON TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS AND VIBES WANTING TO RESTRICT USES THERE.

THAT'S THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO YOU WERE NOW SAYING THAT IN THE ENTIRE CITY WE SHOULD NOT HAVE RETAIL SERVICES? NO, NO, NO.

THE VIBE NODES ARE, YEAH, WITHIN THE VIBE NODES THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY RETAIL.

AND I THINK, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, AND AND YOU DO HAVE TO BE MORE NUANCED HERE, WHICH IS WHY THE BUD IS SUCH A POPULAR, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ROUTE WE TAKE.

WE, WHENEVER SOMEONE, THE CTC RESIDENTIAL,

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I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOUGH THAT EVERYBODY'S CLEAR IS WE'RE NOW NO LONGER TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

ONCE WE MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PAGE, WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY AND THE I 35, I THINK IF YOU GO TO PAGE, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT SHOWS THAT I 35 OVERLAY WHAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT.

UM, PAGE ONE 13 ON THE PDF PAGE ONE 12 ON, IF YOU'RE USING THE PAGE NUMBERS, YOU SAY ONE 12.

YEAH, IF YOU'RE USING THAT NUMBER, IT'S ONE 12.

ONE 13.

THERE YOU GO.

SO THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE, THAT EXPANSION, SO THAT THE TRACKS ARE KIND OF NO, THIS IS, THEY'RE NOT SHOWN THERE.

THAT EXPANSION TO THE EAST, THE LINEAR ONE.

YEAH, THAT IS, IS THE I 35 E? YES.

AND SO WHAT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IS FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BASED ON THE TITLE, WHEREAS IT COULD BE CONSIDERING EAST OF I 35, WHERE IN REALITY IT'S EAST OF DOWNTOWN.

AND THE FUTURE EXPANSION BETWEEN THE AREA WEDGE THAT BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN 12 BLOCK AREA, AND I CAN'T ARE, ARE YOU SAYING I 35 EAST IS THE AREA WEST OF I 35? CAN WE JUST BE CALLED HOLD ON, I THINK.

NO, NO, BUT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER IMAGES THAT SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN AREA CONTINUING ON TO WHERE CENTER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PAST THE DAIRY QUEEN AND IN THAT AREA YOU, UH, THAT PICTURE WE LOOKED AT EARLIER WHERE THE BLOCKS WERE WRONG, YOU KNOW WHERE SHE SAID IT WAS NINE BLOCKS IS OUTTA OF 12 BLOCKS.

IT SHOWS, I ASSUMED THAT WAS I 35 EAST, THE AREA EAST OF I 35.

SO WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE, I MEAN WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? WHERE IT WAS LIKE, WHERE YOU HAD THE, WHERE THE MAP WAS DIFFERENT WAS ONE OF PAGE 18.

SEE CUZ THAT'S EAST OF 35.

YEAH, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE TAIL ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35, WHICH WE ASSUME, I ASSUME READING THIS WAS I 35 EAST, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO SAY NO FAST FOOD, NO SELF STORAGE, NO BIG CLEAN .

YOU DIDN'T KNOW.

BUT I, I DON'T LIKE THAT RESTRICTION.

I I DO NOT LIKE IT AND, AND I DO NOT THINK WE CAN, WE CAN ENFORCE IT, BUT I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT I, I DO NOT LIKE THAT WE CAN AND WE CAN ENFORCE IT.

IT'S A QUESTION OF DO Y'ALL THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ENFORCE IT? IF WE, IF WE CHANGE THE CODE, WE CAN ENFORCE NO DRIVE-THROUGHS OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S UP TO, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

IF WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT SCOPE, THEN ON PAGE 18 GEOGRAPHICALLY DOWN TO SOMETHING MORE MANAGEABLE, THAT CAN BE A COMMON AS WELL.

SO I MEAN JUST TO LIMIT THOSE TYPES OF THE FASTS FOOD, THE BIG LOTS, THE DOWNTOWN AND THE PLACE IDENTIFY AS.

BUT WHEN YOU SAY DOWNTOWN, DO YOU, DO YOU MEAN THE PINK SQUARE OR DO YOU MEAN WHAT, WHAT IS THE ORANGE CALLED THE, I DON'T REMEMBER.

UH, THE DOWNTOWN CORE VERSUS WHAT THEY WANT FOR IT TO BE C, B D BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING CBD ONE AND TWO, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT THE ORANGE IS? MAYBE NOT SPECIFICALLY CBD ONE AND CBD TWO, BUT THE AREA WHERE WE CAN HAVE STRICTER CONTROLS ON HOW DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, IT'S MORE WALKABLE, MORE, MORE DENSE, MORE, MORE.

THE INITIAL GOAL IS TO DO THE PINK AREA, WHICH WE HAVE COME LIKE A 12 BLOCKS AS A SHOOTING ACTUALLY IN THE HOUSE.

AND EVENTUALLY AS IT FILLS OUT AND YOU CAN, THERE'S PERIPHERY AREAS YOU CAN START EXPANDING INTO.

CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN TO PAGE 19? YEAH.

UM, BECAUSE RIGHT HERE, THE, THE SAME AREA DOWNTOWN CORE SLASH C, UM, IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER ONE EXTEND EXPAND CBD ONE C TWO INCLUDE AREA EAST OF I 35 AND THEN EXTEND IT NORTH.

AND THEN, UH, ALSO WHERE THE M TWO IS, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS.

IS THAT, IS THAT THE WEST END, WEST OF VETERANS DRIVE? THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY, SO THIS IS THEN SCROLL BACK UP TO 18 AND IT SEEMS TO BE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING IN ORANGE.

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SO WHAT THEY ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT EVERYTHING IN ORANGE BES C D WHETHER IT BE ONE OR TWO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY SUGGEST, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING IT CAN BE EVENTUALLY, BUT THERE'S ALSO, THAT'S WHAT THE DOCUMENT SAYS THOUGH, RIGHT? THE DOCUMENT SAYS THIS IS WHY WE'RE REVIEWED.

SO THERE'S ALSO OTHER SIMILAR ZONING ISSUES LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL THAT ALSO MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE INTO IT AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN KEEP GOING.

I LOVE THE DISCUSSION.

I THINK IT'S HEALTHY.

UM, LET'S SEE.

RIGHT, MOVING FORWARD FOUR PAGES.

UH, SO ON THE TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OF VIBES PAGE, AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PAVEMENTS.

SO THIS IS PAGE 32.

SO PAGE 32, IT'S ENCOURAGING THE USE OF, UM, POROUS PAVEMENTS.

SO ONLY 5% OF THE LOT CAN BE IMPERVIOUS PAVING.

UM, THE OTHERS WOULD BE POROUS PAVEMENT, WHICH I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF POROUS PAVEMENT.

I, I LOOKED AT THE ALTERNATIVE PAVER EXAMPLES AND I THINK THIS IS A COOL IDEA, BUT MY ONE CONCERN, UM, FOR THE POROUS PAVEMENTS IS, UM, I KNOW WHEN WE'RE IN A PARKING LOT IN THE SUMMER, IT'S HOT, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO WHEN YOU'RE ON A GRASSY AREA AND WE'VE, WE'VE SAID THAT WE DON'T WANT TO USE, UM, TURF IN THESE AREAS.

WE DON'T WANNA USE GRASSES.

SO IF WE'RE USING ALTERNATIVE PAVERS OR WE'RE USING POROUS PAVEMENT, LIKE THE POROUS CONCRETE, UM, IS IT JUST GONNA BE LIKE A, A BIG SHEET OF STONE OR ASPHALT THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY HOT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS? THAT WOULD, I I KNOW Y'ALL ARE NOT THE ARCHITECTS OR THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THIS AND I KIND OF WISH THEY WERE HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF, SO YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT.

BUT THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT CROSSED MY MIND IS IF WE'VE GOT ALL OF OUR PAVED AREAS, OUR POOREST CONCRETE OR ALTERNATIVE PAVERS, BUT INSTEAD OF BEING FILLED WITH TURF, THEY'RE FILLED WITH, I DUNNO, CRUSH GRANITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IS IT GONNA BE UNCOMFORTABLY WARM IN CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR? LIKE A HEAT ISLAND? IT'S TEXAS.

SO WE, WE CAN DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REDUCE THE HEAT ON AND EFFECT, RIGHT? UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THERE HAS TO BE A PAVING AREA FOR, FROM FIRE CIRCULATION AT, FOR HAS TO HAVE MINIMUM OF 80.

SO YOU CAN, THERE ALL ALTERNATIVE PAPER OPTIONS AND YOU CAN DO THAT.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE GRASS CREATOR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE PLUGS GRASS GO BETWEEN IT.

IF I, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING IT, YOU NEED TO HAVE SHADE THAT'S OVER A SIGNIFICANT PART OF IT AS WELL BECAUSE SCRATCH IS GONNA DIE.

DRIVE AISLES OR FOR FIRE CIRCULATION OR WHATEVER HAVE YOU DON'T YEAH, WHATEVER.

AND YOU DON'T, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE, AND IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO, SO IF YOU'RE MAKING INVESTMENT IT, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO JUST DIE AFTER YOU SPEND ALL THAT MONEY.

I GET THAT.

I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN JUST DO PAVEMENT, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE IT INSTEAD OF JUST STRAIGHT ASPHALT, YOU KNOW, THE WEEK KIND LIKE OUT IN WEST TEXAS WHERE THE COLOR'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHERE IT BLENDS INTO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

SO HERE WHERE IT'S NOT AS HOT, SO CAN LISTEN.

YEAH, I MEAN FIRE TRUCKS AND, RIGHT.

SO THE, SO ANY SORT OF, UH, DRIVE AISLE OR WHAT HAVE YOU HAS TO HAVE APPROPRIATE, IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED.

WHAT I THINK YOU MAY UNDERSTAND IS YOUR PROTECTION, UH, THE SUBRATE OF IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED IN YEAR APPROPRIATELY TO BE ABLE TO, AND ALSO IT'S GONNA BE PERMEABLE PAVEMENT TO THAT'S I IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS, AS WITH THAT QUESTION, AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, IT'S GONNA ADD AOUS COVER AND SO THERE'S A, YOU CAN, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A FILTER DOWN INTO THE SOIL IN MOST CASES AT THE POINT WHERE IT HITS THAN IT IS TO HAVE A DRAIN THROUGH UNDERGROUND OR EVEN OPEN BARAGE TO A DETENTION POND AND THEN METER OUT THERE.

SO ANYBODY ELSE SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXEMPTIONS BEING ASKED TO GO OVER THE 5%? IS IT 10%? OH NO, IT'S 5%.

IT'S 5%.

I MEAN, I CAN SEE THERE IS A, YOU'RE RIGHT, I CAN SEE A LOT OF THOSE COMING BEFORE THIS, MAYBE NOT THIS COMMUNITY COMMITTEE OR OUR COMMISSION IN THE CURRENT MAKE, BUT IN THE FUTURE, UH, I COULD SEE A LOT OF, LOT OF VARIANCES BEING ASKED ON THAT AND MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S BETTER THAT IT SAID SOMETHING.

THE EFFECT OF THE, THE PARKING SPACES HAVE TO BE PERMEABLE AND THE

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EXCEPT FOR BULLET 0.6, WHICH AGAIN IS EXTREMELY HEAVY HANDED, PARDON SPOTS FOR EXAMPLE, INDIVIDUALS.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A THEME FOR THIS.

THE IMPERVIOUS COVER STILL COUNTS TOWARDS THE 5% MAXIMUM.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST A LITTLE, SO YEAH, IF WE NEED TO INCREASE THE PERCENTAGES, THAT'S FINE.

OR IF WE SOME ALTERNATIVE THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE, I'D LOVE THE IDEAS, BUT PRACTICALLY THERE'S GONNA BE A TON OF, WE ALL KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TON OF ERRANDS REQUEST ON STUFF LIKE THAT.

SURE.

I'LL TRY TO GO FAST SO WE'RE NOT HERE ALL NIGHT.

UM, ALRIGHT, PAGE 34.

I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY'VE USED.

I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DESIGN PRINCIPLES, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT, BY ITS NATURE A PRINCIPLE CANNOT BE SUPER PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT TO ME THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR WHY IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS.

SO AS AN EXAMPLE, IT SAYS, UM, WHILE BUILDINGS THAT UTILIZE TRADITIONAL FORMS AND MATERIAL IS ACCEPTABLE, IT IS ALSO ENCOURAGED TO CONSIDER MODERN INTERPRETATIONS OF CENTRAL TEXAS VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE.

AND, UM, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHY.

CUZ PEOPLE LIKE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE, THAT'S WHY IT'S TRADITIONAL.

THAT'S WHY IT'S SURVIVED THE TEST OF TIME FOR A LONG TIME.

SO WHY ARE WE ENCOURAGING ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO FILL IN THE CITY WITH THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE KIND OF RANDOM AND SMATTERED AROUND? AND, UH, I, I DID TRY TO LOOK AT CENTRAL TEXAS VERNACULAR ARCHITECTURE AND NONE OF THE EXAMPLES IN THE DOCUMENT TO ME SPOKE TO CENTRAL TEXAS VERNACULAR.

SO WHO DECIDES WHAT IS MODERN, WHO DECIDES WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE, WHO DECIDES WHAT IS CENTRAL TEXAS VERNACULAR? I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY GIVING PEOPLE CLEAR DESIGN STANDARDS.

IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT HELPFUL TO ME.

UM, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH MS. KNIGHT EARLIER WHEN SHE MENTIONED THAT IF WE WERE TO MAINTAIN A REGIONAL AUTHENTICITY, HOW CAN WE SIMULTANEOUSLY DESIGN APPROPRIATELY FOR THE CONTEXT OF OUR PLACE AND TIME THAT THOSE CONTRADICT EACH OTHER TO ME, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE THINK WE KNOW BETTER TODAY HOW TO DESIGN THINGS THAN, YOU KNOW, PROPORTIONS AND STYLES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

CAUSE UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO CITIES WHERE THE BUILDINGS ON THE OUTSIDE ARE VERY TRADITIONAL AND THEN THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING IS WHERE PEOPLE'S PERSONALITIES SHINE AND WHERE THEY CAN UPDATE IT TO, TO MOVE AT THE TIMES.

AND ON THE OUTSIDE, PEOPLE LOVE THESE CITIES.

IF YOU LOOK AT AMSTERDAM OR PARIS OR LONDON, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE VERY TRADITIONAL BUILDINGS ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU GO IN AND THEY'RE PERFECTLY MODERN AND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO UPDATE A BUILDING ON THE INSIDE.

YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE FLOORING, PAINT THE WALLS, ADD MOLDING, TAKE OFF MOLDING CHANGE WINDOWS THAN IT IS TO CHANGE AN ENTIRE BUILDING.

SO I'M REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HOW MUCH THEY'RE PUSHING THIS CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURAL THEME THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE I WORRY THAT WE'RE MAKING BUILDINGS WITH BONES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO STAND THE TEST OF TIME FOR OUR CITY.

SO THAT'S A, A CONCERN THAT, THAT I HAD THAT CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT THIS ONE TIME.

FOR THE INTEREST OF SAVING TIME, UM, CAN I, CAN I JUMP ON IN YOUR DISCUSSION? I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK DESIGN PRINCIPLES, THEY ALL SEEM LIKE NICE IDEAS, BUT IT'S NOT A COHESIVE, UH, DIRECTION FOR MAKING BUILDINGS.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE INITIAL GUIDANCE IN THIS DOCUMENT SAYS WE SHOULD ENHANCE, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORD, I'M PARAPHRASING, BUT ENHANCE OUR TRADITIONAL, UM, BUILDINGS AND CELEBRATE THE, UH, THE HISTORY AND TRADITIONS OF, BUT HERE ENCOURAGED LOCAL ARTISTS AND ARTISTS IN PARTICIPATION AND THINGS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGE UP OF BUILDINGS, BE DIFFERENT IN SIZE AND VOLUME WESTERN TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

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I'M SORRY.

SO, UH, YOU COULD TAKE THIS ANY WAY YOU WANT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS IDENTITY OF AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING SHOULD BE REINFORCED WITH EXPRESSIVE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, DOES THAT MEAN YOU JUST DON'T WANT SLAB FRONT OR FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE THREE STORY SECTION OF WHERE AS FAR THE DOWNTOWN AREA YOU HAD THE THREE STORY CLOTHING AND A MINIMAL AROUND FOUR HEIGHT.

SO IT WAS BROKEN UP HORIZONTAL AS YOU GO UP AND HEIGHT.

EACH FLOOR HAD SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LEVEL.

THE, THE GROUND FOUR HAD A STAGE RETAIL LOOK FOR BOUTIQUE SHOP.

THE NEXT LEVEL HAD IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY THAN THE FIRST LEVEL, BUT THE TOP TWO LEVELS TOTAL MATCHED MORE TOGETHER.

UM, BUT WE'RE STILL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE, BUT IT'S ALSO FLEXIBLE AT SAME TIME.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO, THE GOAL IS TO FIND THE SWEET SPOT BETWEEN HAVING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF REQUIRMENTS IN PLACE OR ENCOURAGING THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF USE OF ARCHITECTURE VERSUS GOING WAY OVERBOARD AT THE SAME TIME.

AND TO MAKE THIS A FANTASTIC PLACE TO BE IN DOWNTOWN WHERE EVERYBODY LOVES.

AND SO THERE SHOULD BE CELEBRATION OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN, HISTORY OF DOWNTOWN.

WE SHOULD ALSO ALLOW TO SOME EXTENT, SOME MODERNIZATION, AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVERY SINGLE MOVIE.

IT CAN, THERE CAN BE A COMBINATION OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT BOTH MODERN AND HISTORICAL, UM, SOME TO, TO PLAY TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT BUILD.

AND SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING FAR MORE CONSERVATIVE AND HAVE THAT 1870S, 1880S, 1890S LOOK TO SOME OF THEM ARE GONNA PROBABLY WANNA GET A LITTLE BIT MORE MODERN, BUT THE DIVERSITY IS WHAT MAKES IT JUST STAND OUT AND POP.

SO YEAH, THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR.

YEAH, WELL I THINK THEY KEEP IT KIND OF AMBIGUOUS TO ALLOW THE ARCHITECT TO, TO UM, INFER WHAT YOU KNOW, AND USE SOME OF THEIR, THEIR DESIGN ON.

I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A NEW BUILDING THAT'S DOWNTOWN, IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA BE BUILT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE THE SAME BONES AS A, AS A, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL BUILDING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME ABI BE THERE JUST TO ALLOW FOR SOME, SOME, UH, DESIGN THOUGHTS, WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, THE DOWNTOWN LIKE THIS, YEAH, DOWNTOWN IS REALLY THE ONLY HISTORIC PART OF, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, YOU CAN COURSE YOU'VE GOTTA FOLLOW THIS.

IT HAS TO LOOK SOMETHING SIMILAR TO, TO REPRESENT THAT ONCE YOU STEP OUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35 OR THE FAR WEST SIDE OF, OR OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

YEAH, YOU DON'T, DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

THE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE GREAT AS LONG AS I'M ON THIS PAGE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, BUILDING SHOULD, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THE WORD SHOULD? UH, IT'S SEVERAL TIMES.

IT'S ON THE FOURTH BULLET.

IT'S ON THE FIRST ONE ON THE RIGHT.

AND, AND SO I MEAN THE WORD SHOULD SEEMS LIKE, LIKE, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IT OR YOU MUST DO IT.

AND I JUST, IT'S A WORD THAT I DON'T THINK IS CLEAR ENOUGH AS TO WHAT IT MEANS.

TYPICALLY, WORDS I SHOULD, SHALL WILL THAT ITSELF.

THOSE ARE DEFINED IN THE ZONING CODE OR THE SUB CODE.

UM, WHEREAS THEY'LL SAY, WILL SHALL MEANS YOU HAVE TO DO IT SHOULD MEANS WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, THAT KINDA STUFF.

UM, BUT IT'S HOW YOU DEFINE IT IN THE CODE.

THIS IS A FOUNDATIONAL DOCUMENT.

SO, SO SHOULD WE ENCOURAGE YOU, IT SHOULD BE BUILDINGS.

WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE LEVEL OF CARE AND CRAFT THAT UTILIZES DURABLE, SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS.

WE ENCOURAGE

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IT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

THIS IS, THIS IS A SUB AREA PLAN, THIS IS A FOUNDATIONAL PLAN THAT PROVIDES DIRECTION.

SO LATER ON WE WILL PUT CODE IN PLACE MA MATCHING DIRECTION FROM THIS SIDE.

AND, AND THEN I GUESS SAME QUESTION FOR URBAN.

UH, IS THE WORD URBAN ALSO DEFINED? UH, SECOND SIDE, THE SECOND BULLET POINT ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE SECOND BULLET POINT, URBAN BUILDING SHOULD BE, DO WE CLARIFY WHAT IS OR IS NOT AN URBAN BUILDING? PROBABLY NOT IN THIS FACTORY, BUT FROM THE INTENT OF IT IS BUILDINGS LIKE CITY HALL, PASTRY PRESS, UH, THE TRADITIONAL CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT COMMERCIALLY.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT, BUT JUST THE QUESTION IS WHO GETS TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AS TO IF MY BUILDING, WHICH I'M BUILDING COUNTS AS THAT OR NOT? THAT'S JUST THE QUESTION I HAVE AS TO WHEN WE HAVE WORDS THAT WE DON'T HAVE CLEARLY DEFINED.

I STILL DON'T LIKE THE WORD SHOULD I I THINK IT SHOULD EITHER SAY SHALL OR IT SHOULD SAY YOU MAY.

UH, I THINK, I THINK SHOULD IS NOT CLEAR AS TO WHICH SIDE THAT FALLS ON, BUT I DON'T DEAL WITH THESE KIND OF DOCUMENTS AS OFTEN AS YOU ALL DO.

KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.

UM, 87 WE HAVE A PAGE ABOUT MIXED USE BUILDINGS, UM, DESIGN OBJECTIVE.

THIRD BULLET POINT IS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY AND AESTHETIC AND BUILDING OCCUPANCY WITH NEIGHBORING LAND USE.

I LOVE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, I THINK THAT THE EXAMPLE IMAGE WE'RE GIVING ON THIS PAGE OF MIXED USE BUILDINGS IS NOT GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH ANY AESTHETIC IN THE CITY OF KYLE.

LIKE NO OFFENSE, UM, TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, IF IT'S POSSIBLE IN SOME OF THAT EMPTY SPACE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, IS MAYBE A MIXED USE BUILDING THAT'S A BIT MORE LESS, UM, ARCHITECTURALLY SPEAKING, SOMETHING THAT WOULD IN THEORY BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AESTHETICS OF OUR CITY.

SOMETHING MORE, MORE TRADITIONAL, THAT CENTRAL TEXAS VERNACULAR STOP JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE A VISUAL RANGE OF, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES.

SO JUST AN IDEA OF THROWING OUT THEIR, UH, UH, WHAT'S NEXT? ARE Y'ALL HAVING FUN? OKAY.

UM, I'M GONNA SKIP THAT ONE.

I'M GONNA SKIP THAT ONE.

I AGREE.

BY THE WAY, SINCE THIS PICTURE'S NOW STILL SITTING ON THIS SCREEN, THAT DEFINITELY DOES NOT FIT IN KYLE.

WELL I TAKE THAT IT COULD, IT COULD OPEN UP ON DEFINITELY NOT IN DOWNTOWN.

YEAH, SURE.

DEFINITELY NOT IN DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED THE RANGE, YOU KNOW, SHOW THINGS THAT'LL WORK IN SOME OF THE MORE MODERN AREAS AND SHOW THINGS THAT'LL WORK IN SOME OF THE, WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS DOCUMENT IS GETTING CONFUSING IS IT COVERS EVERYTHING.

IT COVERS EVERYTHING, BUT THEN IT, IT'S VERY FOCUSED ON DOWNTOWN AND THEN IT, WHERE WHERE IS THIS NOW AT? WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS MIXED USE? IS IT STILL IN DOWNTOWN ANYWHERE OR IS THIS ANYWHERE? I THINK IT'S ANYWHERE.

BUT THIS WHOLE THING IS GOING TO BE PLUGGED INTO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

NOT NOT JUST THE DOWNTOWN SECTION, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM.

THE ENTIRE THING WILL BE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IMPLEMENTED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, IT WILL.

THAT'S THE DOCUMENT.

SO IT REALLY SEEMS TO HANDCUFF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEN, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY IN THIS DOCUMENT.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS JUST GONNA HAVE TO WORK AROUND WHAT'S ALREADY BEING SET HERE.

THAT'S WHY I SAID I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING.

THAT'S WHY IS IT, WHY ARE WE JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN? LET'S TAKE ALL THE OTHER STUFF OUT.

LET'S GET TO THE LAST FIVE PAGES OF THIS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ABOUT DOWNTOWN AND LET'S TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE.

WE CAN DO THAT.

THAT'S FINE.

SO I MEAN, WHAT I HEARD, AND I, I KNOW WELL THIS IS YOU, YOU WEREN'T THE PERSON DRIVING THIS, THE DRIVING BOAT AT THIS TIME.

UM, BUT IF THE URGENCY IS DOWNTOWN, LET'S TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

LET'S NOT HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT IS ALL ENCOMPASS.

I MEAN IT TALKS ABOUT THE SUBURBS, WHAT'S TOP PLAN.

AND AND AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN, DO YOU MEAN THE 12 SQUARE BLOCKS OR DO YOU MEAN THE CBD ONE CB TWO PROPOSED AREA THAT INCLUDES PRETTY FAR WEST ON CENTER STREET ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF 35? I TALK ABOUT THE CLUB BLOCKS, I TALK ABOUT THE CORE.

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I MEAN, CBD SHOULD BE PART OF THE COMP LINE, RIGHT? I MEAN IT IS, BUT AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE DOWNTOWN AND WHAT WAS IT? CORE AND THEN THE C D ONE AREA AND, AND YOU KNOW, YEAH, I'M GONNA STOP TALKING.

I WON'T.

UM, SO QUESTION ON PAGE 39.

PROBABLY BETTER SUITED TO THE AUTHORS OF THIS, BUT I WILL JUST ASK IT.

SO BULLET POINT NUMBER THREE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR OR HIGHER OF A I 35 CORRIDOR MIXED USE BUILDING.

IT SAYS THE SECOND FLOOR CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THESE CERTAIN TYPES OF USE CATEGORIES, BUT IT HAS TO BE THE SAME ACROSS THE ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR.

COMBINATION TO CATEGORIES ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THAT SECOND FLOOR.

AND THEN THERE'S A SENTENCE BEHIND IT THAT SAYS ALL SUBSEQUENT FLOORS MUST BE ONE CATEGORY.

BUT I, I COULD BE WRONG.

I THINK IT LISTS THE EXACT SAME CATEGORIES.

SO SHOULD WE JUST SAY FLOORS TWO AND ABOVE WOULD HAVE TO BE SINGLE USE? OR ARE WE SAYING THAT THE SECOND FLOOR CAN BE A DIFFERENT USE THAN THE THIRD FLOOR? IT CAN BE DIFFERENT.

DIFFERENT.

OR IT CAN BE THE SAME, BUT THE SECOND FLOOR HAS TO BE ALL THE SAME.

BUT SO DOES THE THIRD FLOOR AND THE FOURTH FLOOR AND THE FIFTH FLOOR HAS TO BE ALL THE SAME.

SO SAY THEY HAVE TO BE RESIDENTIAL THOUGH, DON'T THEY? NO, NO.

OH, THEY DON'T.

MIXED DOESN'T MEAN YEAH, GENERALLY.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

SEE GROUND FLOOR, WHATEVER, AND THEN SECOND ENOUGH RESIDENTIAL USE.

BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FLOOR ENOUGH AS YOU COULD HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, OFFICE SPACE OR WHATEVER SECOND FLOOR, BUT IT REPEATS THE, IT REPEATS ITSELF TWICE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THE SECOND FLOOR COULD BE ANYTHING BUT WHEN, BUT NO COMBINATION OF ON THE, BUT IT ALSO SAYS ALL SUBSEQUENT FLOORS MUST ALSO BE ONE CATEGORY.

SO WHY NOT JUST SAY SECOND FLOOR IN ABOVE, BUT IT MUST BE A SUBSEQUENT OF THOSE LISTED CATEGORIES AFTERWARDS THOUGH IS WHAT IT'S SAYING.

SO THREE AND UP HAS TO BE JUST ONE OF THOSE VERY FEW OPTIONS.

YOU CONFUSE ME WHO LOOKS AT THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME AND THAT BE RIGHT REWORDING, RIGHT.

SO YEAH, SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS SAYING FIRST FLOOR COULD BE RETAIL AND DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

FIRST FLOOR COULD BE OFFICE, COULD BE OFFICE FIRST FLOOR COULD BE THIRD, FOURTH, AND FIFTH HAVE TO ALL BE THE SAME EITHER RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.

RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.

THAT, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE WHEN IT'S EXPLAINED TO ME.

BUT WHEN I JUST READ IT, I'M LIKE, WAIT, WHAT? OKAY.

IT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.

YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, LET'S SEE.

SO ON THE NEXT PAGE, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, WE SAY AT MOST THREE PARKING SPOTS SPECIFICALLY FOR GOLF CARTS, SIMILAR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, UM, THAT'S THE TOP RIGHT BULLET POINT.

WE'RE TALKING THREE PARKING SPOTS PER BUILDING, RIGHT? NOT JUST FOR A VIBE SPOT, IT'S THREE SPOTS FOR THE WHOLE THREE SPOTS PER BUILDING.

THAT'S THE INTENSE WORDED THOUGH.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO PROMOTE GOLF CART, HIKING, BIKING, SCREWING, ALL THAT KINDA STUFF, RIDING ALL THE TRAIL.

SO, AND EVEN INTERESTING CODE SAYS PER ESSENTIALLY IT'S LIKE PER PROJECT BASED LIKE A PAD SITE, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PARKING SPACES REPLACED WITH GOLF CARTS.

DOES THIS? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, DOES THIS NOW HAM STREAM? BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS USED IN MY MIND IF YOU'RE, YOU PROBABLY DON'T RECALL WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS GOLF CART THING.

GOLF CART THING IS YOU COULD NOW, IF I DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE THAT MUCH PARK, THAT MANY PARKING SPACE, I SAY, WELL, I GET A TWO TO ONE AND FORGET WHAT OUR RATIO IS, RIGHT? IF I DO GOLF CART PARKING INSTEAD, SO I DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE AS MUCH PARKING AS I, I WOULD HAD TO ORIGINALLY WE MADE A RATIO.

AND FORGET IF IT WAS TWO TO ONE OR WELL, NO, NO, IT WAS TWO TO ONE, BUT IT COULD ONLY BE 25% OF, OR I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT, 20% OF 10%.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.

SO THIS IS CHANGING THAT IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.

THE SAME EFFECT FROM THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT SO THAT THEY'RE SAYING NO ONE IN THREE PARKING SPOTS SPECIFICALLY FOR EACH, BUT WE DID DO A TWO TO ONE RATIO.

SO THE IDEA BEHIND A A VIBE NODE IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FIVE GRADE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE WALKABLE DENSITY MM-HMM.

AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE SMALLER SPACES FOR LIKE COMMERCIAL AREAS IN THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE WHAT EITHER IS ACTUALLY SMALLER SO DOWNTOWN OR HAS

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SO DOING AN ODD NUMBER SEEMS LIKE A STRANGE CHOICE BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THINKING ABOUT THAT HONESTLY.

WELL, RIGHT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WENT THROUGH THIS.

YEAH, I REALLY WISH I HAD IN FRONT OF ME SO I COULD REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.

BUT WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND WE, WE TOOK OUR TIME WITH THAT ONE.

I DON'T WANT TO UNDO IT BECAUSE SOMEONE THOUGHT, AH, THREE'S A GOOD NUMBER.

AND ALSO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW BIG THE PARKING LOT IS.

THREE IS A SMALL NUMBER, UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRETTY SMALL LOT.

SO I'M SORRY WHO BROUGHT IT UP? OKAY, , I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE CUZ WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE MUST BE AT LEAST 10 FEET WIDE, BUT A STRUCTURE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OCCUPANTS IN IT.

SO IF IT'S LIKE THREE SPOTS PER TENANT OR THREE SPOTS PER BUILDING, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

IT WAS IN THIS CASE FOR STRUCTURE.

SO A STRUCTURE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE TENANTS, SO UM, I WOULD STILL PREFER TO GO BACK TO OUR PERCENTAGE.

UM, YEAH, SOMEONE'S GOT TO GO BACK AND, AND LOOK THAT PART UP.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IF IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG THE PARKING LOT IS TO HOW MANY OF THOSE YOU SHOULD HAVE.

UM, SO LAST COMMENT ON, LET'S SEE, THIS IS AGE 40.

UH, THE TWO EXAMPLE IMAGES THAT ARE GIVEN ARE BOTH VERY CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

AND AGAIN, I'VE VOICED MY CONCERN THAT IN 10, 20 YEARS THOSE MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT DATED IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO MOST OF OUR, IF THAT'S WHAT WE ENCOURAGE MOST OF OUR VIBES TO BE DESIGNED WITH.

AND UM, YEAH, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO UPDATE THE INTERIOR OF A BUILDING THAN IT IS TO UPDATE THE EXTERIOR OF A BUILDING.

SO, UM, BUT THAT WILL BE, I GUESS THE OWNERS HAVE SAID BUILDINGS DECISION FOR WHAT THEY WANNA DO.

UM, I REALLY LIKE THE SECTION ON RESTORATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, REALLY SMART AND WELL DONE.

I LIKE THE IDEAS THAT THEY SHARED.

UM, SO PAGE 45, PRECAST CONCRETE PANELS ARE APPROVED AS A SECONDARY MATERIAL FOR DOWNTOWN AND UM, VIBES AS A SECONDARY MATERIAL.

SO WHAT DOES SECONDARY MATERIAL MEAN? IS THAT LIKE 49% OF THE BUILDING COULD BE PRECAST CONCRETE OR IS IT A, DO WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THAT IS? SECONDARY MATERIAL.

OH, IT'S DIFFERENT.

MAYBE I'M NOT ON THE RIGHT THING.

UM, YOU SAID PAGE 45 40, OKAY, I MIGHT HAVE DONE THE WRONG ONE.

APPROVED X APPROVED EXTERIOR MATERIALS INCLUDE LIMESTONE, BRICKS, SMOOTH FACE STUCCO, LIGHT COLORED PRE-CAST, CONCRETE METAL PANEL, HOT ROLLER STEEL, AND THEN LATER IN THE FILE, NOT ON PAGE 45, IT TALKS ABOUT THE APPROVED, UM, APPROVED MATERIALS.

AND I UNDERSTAND MS. KNIGHT'S CONCERN WITH UM, MATERIAL APPROVED MATERIALS AND WHETHER THAT'S LEGAL.

UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS MERELY ABOUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRIMARY MATERIAL, A SECONDARY MATERIAL, WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE? CAUSE I DON'T KNOW PRECAST CONCRETE.

I THINK OF LOGISTICS LIKE WAREHOUSES AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THAT WOULD LOOK BEAUTIFUL IF IT WAS ON 49% OF A BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN TILE.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DOUBLE CHECK IS, IS SECTION 1.1 IS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR DOWNTOWN KYLE? SO LATER IN THE FILE, LET ME SEE, I THINK IT'S JUST KIND OF A STANDALONE.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S SPECIFICALLY UNDER ANY HEADING.

PAGE 56, DOWNTOWN CORE C D SECONDARY MATERIALS INCLUDE STUCCO, LIGHT COLORED, PRECAST, CONCRETE AND METAL PANEL.

CONCRETE PANEL ON THE FRONT OF BUILDING.

SECONDARY MATERIALS.

IT WAS PROBABLY AN EXAMPLE SOMEWHERE WHERE IT CAN WORK.

NOW YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT, AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT SO I'LL SAY THAT, BUT I WOULD DOUBT WE WANT

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BUT, BUT, BUT OUR QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE IS LIKE A SECONDARY MATERIAL? IS THAT, COULD THAT BE 49% TO, TO THE 51 PRIMARY? I MEAN THERE'S AN OUT, IT SAYS REVIEWED BY CITY ARCHITECT SLASH BMZ NEED TO BE BATTLE COMPLIMENTARY.

AND SO AS WE GET FURTHER AND FURTHER, LIKE AGAIN, I'LL TRUST AGAIN THIS IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT.

SO AS CODE IS WRITTEN TO REFLECT THE DIRECTION THAT THIS, THE, THE ULTIMATE DOCUMENT THAT'S APPROVED THEN GO WILL NEED TO BE ADJUSTED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

AND THEN WE CAN GO IN THERE AND PUT EXACTLY THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF SECONDARY MATERIAL.

THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY MATERIALS FOR CENTRALIZED WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, SO THIS IS FOR DOWNTOWN CORE CBD AS OPPOSED TO DOWNTOWN CORE FACING MARY HARSON PARK.

SO IF YOU AS ALL YOU'RE NOT FACING THE PARK, WE'RE SAYING THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, RIGHT? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO RECOMMENDATION IS NO, THAT'S FINE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? I DON'T.

I IT, BUT I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT AND I DON'T KNOW THE COSTS OF DIFFERENT BUILDING MATERIALS.

AND MY CONCERN IS THAT FURTHER DOWN IN THE DOCUMENT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WOI FAMILY HOUSING, WHICH UM, SOMEHOW IS APPROVED FOR FIVE LEVELS INSTEAD OF THREE, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, UH, IF THEY CAN DO LIKE THE FIRST TWO FLOORS OF THEIR BUILDING IN LIMESTONE OR BRICK OR WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO USE.

AND THEN THEY DO THE NEXT LIKE THREE FLOORS WHICH TOWER OVER EVERYTHING ELSE IN DOWNTOWN KYLE AND IT'S JUST THESE MODERN SPARSE CONCRETE PANELS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S PRETTY, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO USE.

BUT IF WE'RE GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE AND WE'RE GIVING THEM THAT TOOL IN THEIR TOOLKIT OF THIS IS WHAT THE CITY THINKS IS OKAY, I'M, I'M NOT SURE, BUT, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE CAN TELL 'EM WHAT TO USE, WHAT'S IT'S A RECOMMEND UNLESS WE HAVE A HISTORIC DESIGNATION I THINK, BUT CAN'T.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE MAKING THIS DOCUMENT AND THEN LATER THE COUNCIL WILL USE ONE OF THOSE AVENUES TO THEN ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HOLD PEOPLE TO THESE STANDARDS.

WASN'T THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER? THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE VERY CLEAR PATHS FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO HOLD STANDARDS IN PLACE.

SO WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY, IT'D BE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

UH, HOLD HOLD ON.

WE NEED TO CHANGE IT.

IF YOU'RE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE TO IT, THAT'S FINE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM GET CREATIVE.

DO YOU YOU HAVE MORE INSIGHT IN BUILDING MATERIALS THAN YEAH, I THINK LIKE COLOR PRE-CON, CAST CONCRETE WOULD NEED TO BE VERY MINIMAL FOR THIS DOWNTOWN.

I LOVE THAT WE HAVE SUCH DIVERSE EXPERIENCES ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION SO WE CAN GET INSIGHTS LIKE THAT.

YES MA'AM.

UM, I AGREE STUFF THOUGH, BUT I AGREE , I MEAN SO WE WANT A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN SECONDARY ALLOWANCE OF PRECAST CONCRETE PANELS.

I MEAN SECONDARY IS MORE DEFINED AND, AND AND IT SHOULDN'T BE FRONT FACING.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TOO, RIGHT? THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU'RE AFRAID THE UPPER LEVELS MIGHT HAVE IT WAS THERE.

WELL I MEAN IF IT'S A FIVE STORY BUILDING AND TO SEE IF THREE STORY BUILDINGS, EVERYONE WILL SEE IT NO MATTER WHICH SIDE IT'S ON.

THAT IS TRUE.

BUT I THINK, I THINK THE FRONT FACING IS IS WORSE.

IT IS MOST IMPORTANT.

BUT FOR THESE, FOR THESE FIVE STORY BUILDINGS, THE EXTERNAL FACE WILL BE ON ALL SIDES.

IT WON'T JUST BE ON ONE BLOCK, BUT I GUESS THE SIDE FACING THEIR PARKING GARAGES, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE THERE.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN YOUR PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE PRECAST.

YOU'D WANT SOME CLADDING ON IT.

DO WE WANT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION FOR PARKING GARAGES OR NOT? I'M FINE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ONES CUZ THOSE ARE ENCLOSED AROUND STUFF.

I REALLY LIKE THE, UM, IDEA OF THE, THE GREEN KIND OF SCREEN PARKING GARAGES

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PLANNED FOR THE CITY.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE TOUCH.

SO I DON'T WANNA GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DO PRECAST CONCRETE ON THEIR THING MORE THAN THEY ALREADY WOULD.

I DUNNO WHAT THE RULES ARE.

UM, HOLD ON.

WILL DO YOU, DO YOU I ARE WE IN SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THEN? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE PRECAST FOR DOWNTOWN AT ALL.

TO BE ABLE TO WATER AND FERTILIZER AND FREE EMERGENT TO KEEP THESE GREEN SPACES LOOKING THEIR BEST? AND MAYBE THERE ARE COST EFFECTIVE AND READILY AVAILABLE ALTERNATIVES TO GRA APPLICATIONS OF THOSE KINDS OF PRODUCTS.

MOSTLY, IF ANYTHING, IF IF WE ARE GONNA RECOMMEND A LOT, IF Y'ALL ARE GONNA RECOMMEND ALL IT NEEDS TO BE VERY NUANCED AND IT NEEDS TO BE NOT AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

IT NEEDS TO LIKE, HAS TO BE EXTREMELY, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS REVIEWED BY THE CITY ARCHITECT SLASH PZI INDEED.

TO BE BAD COMPLIMENTARY RIGHT? .

BUT EVEN THEN I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT IT TO COME HERE.

OH NO, I WANT, I'M TALKING CITY ARCHITECT.

I HAD A LOT OF FUN LAST WEEK WHILE MY FAMILY WAS TAKING NAPS AFTER THEY ATE THEIR TURKEY, GOING THROUGH HERE READING STUFF.

UM, I'LL SKIP THAT ONE TOO.

UM, I FOUND A RANDOM ASTERISK ON PAGE 60, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.

UM, MS. SHARP, IT'S AFTER THE WORD OF LUX SO IT DIDN'T LINK TO ANYTHING SO WE COULD PROBABLY JUST READ IT OR IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A LITTLE SUBNOTE SOMEWHERE, I COULDN'T FIND IT.

IT PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE.

IT MIGHT JUST BE, UM, WELL ONE OF THE IMAGES ALSO HAS ASTERISK FOR JUST FULL CUTOFF GROUND FIXTURES.

DO YOU THINK IT COULD BE A, LIKE A COPYRIGHT THING FOR THEIR BRANDING? IT MIGHT BE.

CAUSE THE UM, IS UM, LIKE A BRAND THING LIGHTING.

SO IT COULD BE, UM, ANOTHER THE ONE WITH THE, THE DARK SKY ACORN WORDING VERSUS THE IMAGE THAT SAYS FULL CUTOFF ROUND FIXTURES.

THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT THE DARK SKY ACORN, THE DARK, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE.

AND FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TOO, THE DARK SKY ACORN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE S CURVE ON EAST FM ONE 50.

AND ALSO HERE ON CENTER STREET, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THOSE ARE NOT DARK SKY COMPLIANT.

THOSE ARE BEFORE WE ADOPTED A NERVOUS SKY ORDINANCE.

OUR NEW ONES REQUIRE A BLACK CABINET ON TOP INSTEAD OF THE, THE BUS GLOBE.

SO COOL.

UM, MY NEXT QUESTION RELATES TO THE GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS.

ON PAGE 65, UH, I MENTIONED BRIEFLY EARLIER THAT WE HAD SAID NO TURF GRAPH, TURF GRASS AT VIBES TRAILS OR DOWNTOWN CORE TURF GRASS IS PERMITTED IN ALL OF THEIR SPACES, BUT IRRIGATION SYSTEMS MUST BE DRIP SYSTEMS KNOWN AS SPRINKLER SYSTEMS PERMITTED.

SO I'VE GOT TWO PART CONCERNS WITH THAT.

IF WE'RE NOT USING TURF GRASS, I'M CURIOUS WHAT WE WOULD USE.

I KNOW WE'VE USED ASTRO TURF IN THE MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN, MARY HARTMAN, HEART, HEART IN THE PARK.

UH, WE'VE USED ASTROTURF AND I THINK THAT'S FINE IN LIMITED SETTINGS, BUT IN IN WHITE SCALE USE, I'VE SEEN THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOSS OF WILDLIFE HABITAT, UH, CONTAMINATED RUNOFF WHEN THINGS SPILL ON THE AS TURF AND THEN GO AWAY.

UM, AND THEN THE MIGRATION OF THE SYNTHETIC MATERIALS.

SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS, I WANT US TO MAYBE ARTICULATE A BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT FOR, UM, REALLY GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS FOR TURF ALTERNATIVES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SOLUTION IS, BUT I'D LIKE US TO BE A BIT MORE DESCRIPTIVE AND THEN, UH, FOR WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE GRASS AND WE WANT THOSE DRIP SYSTEMS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S LESS EVAPORATION, WHICH IS GREAT.

I HAVE SOME, UH, DRIP LINES AT MY OWN HOME.

UH, WHAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME WITH THE DRIP LINES IS THAT A LOT OF THE FERTILIZERS AND PRE-EMERGENCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT NEED TO BE WATERED IN AND KYLE DOESN'T GET A TON OF RAIN.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT DO WE WANT THAT TRADE OFF OF SAVING SOME WATER FROM EVAPORATING VERSUS DO WE WANT PEOPLE

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BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I, I'VE FOUGHT MY YARD A LOT THIS YEAR AND UH, THE GRANULES WERE A GOOD TOOL.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT AWAY FROM, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO MEN OF THE MEN OF THE DYES, DO Y'ALL KNOW OF ANY LIKE LIQUIDS OR THINGS OR IS IT COST COMPARABLE? I MEAN VERSUS HAVING ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE LIVE IN TEXAS, IT'S HOT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE LOTS OF WATER AVAILABLE.

FALL FROM THE SKY.

UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE PLANET BECOME AGE, UH, 64 MENTION, YOU KNOW, NATIVE VEGETATION.

SO I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S EXACTLY PRETTY STUFF, BUT IT'S STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN INCORPORATE NOT ONLY ON THE BIKE TRAILS, BUT UH, ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.

IT'S JUST THAT'S, WE USE THE NATIVE VEGETATION.

SO ONCE WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY OUR OWN LEG FOR WATER AND WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT OH MAN, IS IT GONNA, IS IT GONNA LIVE? YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA DIE? YOU KNOW, SO IT DEFINITELY, I MEAN IT'S, IT CAN LOOK NICE BUT WE DON'T WATER, WATER TO KEEP A LINE.

IF YOU GO BACK UP, COULD YOU JUST GO BACK UP TO THAT AND THEN THEY HAVE A TURF BUFFER THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS ONE? I THINK IT'S JUST MOWED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S A FULL TURF? I MEAN IT'S IT LOOKS LIKE IT.

NO, IT'S TURF.

IT, I WONDER IF IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY I DIDN'T TAKE A PICTURE AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.

ACTUALLY USE SOMETHING.

THE, THE PHOTO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG PALM CREEK THAT SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND TO SEE HERE VERSUS YEAH, IT'D BE GREAT OF IT.

EVERYTHING WAS THIS.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A DECORATIVE YEAH.

MOST, MOST OF THE PALM CREEK TRAIL ITSELF, 35, IT'S A MIX OF, UM, OF LOW SHRUBS, TREES AND, AND PACKAGE DIRT WITH PATCHY GRASSES AND, AND ON THE EDGES OUTSIDE OF THE WARREN AREA, IT'S TALL RIPARIAN SLASH UH, EDGE AREAS OF UH, SOME GRASSLANDS.

SO YEAH.

AND SO YEAH, SO YOU KEEP THE HABITAT FOR YOU KNOWS, AND IT'S KINDA TAKE CARE OF TWO THINGS AND CONSERVING WATER AND ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT TURF TURF MAINTENANCE, UH, DA DA DA.

SO PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED DESIGN PRINCIPLE ON PAGE 66 WE SAY GIVE PRIORITY TO TENANTS WITH PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE BUSINESSES AND GROUND LEVEL LEASES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TOO.

LIKE, UM, I THINK IT'S MORE, MORE RETAIL RELATED ITEMS VERSUS OFFICE SPACE WHERE MAYBE IT HAVE A, AN INSURANCE SALESMAN BUT ONLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE COME IN A DAY OR I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR FOOT TRAFFIC'S GENERATED.

BUT RETAIL GENERATES MORE FOOT TRAFFIC AND CONSEQUENTLY MORE, ESPECIALLY FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT FOR THE SALES TAX AND MAKES IT SEEM MORE LIVELY IN THE AREA AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THEY'RE WANTING A RETAIL FOCUS ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND THAT CAN BE BUILT IN THE DESIGN.

YES, WE CAN.

CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO USE THAT SPACE.

THEY'RE BUILDING AN POINT, RIGHT.

SO YOU DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL SPACE.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THIS TO SOMEONE WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA GET FOOT TRAFFIC IN THE DOOR AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO SELLS A MATTRESS, SELLS MATTRESSES AND DOESN'T REALLY, I HOPE WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MATTRESS STORAGE.

SO MAYBE IF THERE'S KEY AREAS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, AS AN, AS AN IDEA, MAYBE AROUND THE SQUARE OR PORTIONS OF THE SQUARE, YOU WANT RETAIL.

BUT AS YOU GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE MAIN CORRIDOR OF THE SQUARE DOGS INDUSTRY TO GET MORE TO OFFICE OR WHAT HAVE YOU MORE, UM, LOW LEVEL FOOT TRAFFIC.

SO, AND, AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT? I MEAN THIS IS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS SAYING WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD DO THIS, BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? I, IS THERE ANY WAY TO SAY YOU HAVE TO DO

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YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MATTRESS.

THAT'S AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, WHICH WE ALL HAVE TO PICK ON.

I JUST WANTED PUT ON RECORD, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A DETAIL.

BUT, BUT YOU CAN PUT IT, YOU CAN PUT IT, YOU CAN'T PUT IT AS A METRIC IN YOUR CODE SAYING GROUND FOUR COMMERCIAL SPACES AROUND MARY KYLE HARSON PARK FACING ONTO THE SQUARE HAVE TO BE RETAIL BASED.

UM, YOU DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL THOUGH ABOUT HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE NUANCED CUZ YOU DON'T WANT TO GO SO FAR TO THE EXTREME TO WHERE IT JUST PREVENTS LEASES COMING IN AS WELL.

SO THE ANSWER, TRUE ANSWER IS YES, YOU CAN DO IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE NUANCED ON HOW YOU DO IT.

SO.

I, YEAH, NO, I MEAN THIS SOUNDS LIKE A NICE SUGGESTION, BUT I I I JUST, I DON'T, AND AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT, WHAT WE ENVISION WHEN WE SAY YES, PLEASE BUILD YOUR, YOUR BUILDING WITH, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP THEM FROM YES, YOU CAN SAY BLANK USE, YOU KNOW, MATTRESS STORIES OFF LIMITS OR I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S, BUT THIS IS A GIVE PRIORITY TO TENANTS IS THIS, YOU KNOW, OH, WE WAITED, YOU KNOW, A MONTH AND WE DIDN'T GET A GOOD TENANT, SO WE GAVE SOME SOMEBODY, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO, HOW THIS WORDING IS REALLY EVER IMPORTANT.

AND THIS IS NEIL'S YES SIR, GO AHEAD.

NEIL STEGEL HERE.

I WHAT THOUGHT CAME, YEAH, WHAT THOUGHT CAME TO MIND WHEN I READ THAT WAS THIS IS AGAIN, WHERE THIS DOCUMENT BLEEDS INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.

SO I THINK OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF FINDING PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE SUITABLE OR, UH, BUSINESSES FOR DOWNTOWN SITUATIONS.

SO, UM, THAT'S THE WAY I FRAME THAT.

I I ALMOST SAW IT AS, UH, BEING ONLY HALF OUR BUSINESS IN ECON DEVELOPMENT BEING THE REST OF IT.

AND SO MAYBE IT'S GOOD FOR A PLAN, BUT THAT DOESN'T TELL ME MUCH ABOUT GOING FORWARD.

I THINK THE IDEA WAS, AGAIN, GENERATING, GETTING PEOPLE TO DO MORE SHOPPING AROUND THE SQUARE.

NO, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

I JUST, I DON'T SEE HOW WE KEEP, YOU KNOW, HOW WE, HOW WE DO THAT.

UH, YOU CAN SAY BLANK OR ALLOWED AND BLANK AREN'T, WHEN YOU SAY GIVE PRIORITY TO THESE PEOPLE, LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, DO YOU WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

WE'D RATHER HAVE SOMEBODY THAN, THAN NO TENANT.

I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT GIFT PRIORITY REALLY MEANS.

WE COULD, FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE, YOU COULD SAY THE, THE LEASEABLE SPACE IS FACING UNDER THE SQUARE HAVE TO HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, BUT, AND THEN THIS IF FOR HALF A BLOCK OFF THE SQUARE, THOSE CAN HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY.

THEY CAN HAVE OFFICES ON THE GROUND FLOOR OR RETAIL.

AND THEN, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS, UM, RESTRICTED FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S BROUGHT FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

BUT THERE'S, IT'S NOT, I THINK WE'RE ALL DO THE SAME THING.

IT'S NOT JUST A CODE THING.

THAT'S A, THAT'S THE EASY PART.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE PROPER MIX OF, OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS TYPES AROUND THE SQUARE AND THEN CENTRAL? THAT'S THE QUESTION.

I MEAN, AN INSURANCE COMPANY IS A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE BUSINESS.

SO I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE IN THIS CASE IT'S, IT'S WITH THOSE, IT'S ITEMS THAT GENERATE RIGHT.

MORE OF A RETAIL SHOPPING, LIKE A TAX MESSAGE.

WOULDN'T THAT OKAY.

BE A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE? THERE'S A LOT OF, IT'S JUST, IT'S YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE INTENT, THE HEART OF THE, THE RULE VERSUS THE, VERSUS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU CAN I, OKAY, I'M DONE.

NO, I, I GET SAYING.

HOW IS THIS PLAN GOING TO INCENTIVIZE MORE OF THESE SMALL SCALE BUILDINGS? AND I DON'T MEAN SHORT, I JUST MEAN MAYBE NARROW IT BECAUSE WHEN I SEE A BIG BLOCK OR HALF SIZE BLOCK BUILDING, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WHO CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT ARE DEVELOPERS.

AND THAT IS PAGE 60, 66, BULLET TWO.

SO I HAVE GREAT NEWS FOR EVERYONE.

WE CAN NOW JUMP TO PAGE 94.

YAY.

I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET ME BACK IN.

NEXT YEAR IS FINE.

UM, EXISTING ARCHITECTURE, THERE'S A SECTION, UH, THAT SAYS, UH, AND I'M VERY MUCH LIKE THIS.

THE SCALE OF THESE BUILDINGS TENDS TO BE ON THE SMALLER SIDE GIVING THESE BUILDINGS AN APPROACHABLE AND FRIENDLY QUALITY.

AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT.

I THINK IT'S VERY TRUE.

BY THE WAY, WE ARE NOW IN THE DOWNTOWN SECTION, DOWNTOWN ONLY.

UM, SO I LIKE WHAT THEY SAY THERE.

I AGREE WITH IT.

AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE, UH, LONG RANGE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN ON PAGE 89, I AM SEEING A LOT OF BIG BLOCK OR HALF BLOCK LENGTH BUILDING.

AND I'M CURIOUS,

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AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL WANT TO BUY A WHOLE BLOCK AND BUILD SOMETHING MONOLITHIC THAT HAS ONE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THE WHOLE WAY DOWN.

IT'LL CHEW UP THE WHOLE BLOCK.

AND, UM, IT ALSO MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE INCREMENTAL SMALL SCALE GROWTH, SMALL SCALE BUILDINGS WHERE BUSINESSES ARE ABLE TO HIRE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS TO BUILD THINGS.

IF YOU BUILD ONE BUILDING ON A BLOCK VERSUS THREE BUILDINGS ON A BLOCK, IF THEY'RE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, YOU KNOW, YOU GET MORE DIVERSITY OF STYLE, YOU GET, I WOULD SAY MORE JOBS.

UM, IT WOULD BE MORE VISUALLY INTERESTING.

AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE SPACE LIKE THAT ON THE LONG RANGE PLAN.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE INDIVIDUALS AND SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN KYLE THE ABILITY TO OWN THEIR SHOP AND OWN WHAT'S ABOVE IT IF THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR THEIR HOME OR AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BUILD EQUITY, BUILD WEALTH.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU OWN A BUSINESS AND YOU RETIRE, YOU CAN'T SELL YOUR SHOP TO GET MONEY FOR RETIREMENT BECAUSE YOU NEVER OWNED A SHOP BECAUSE IT WAS IN A BIG DEVELOPER BUILDING AND YOU HAD TO LEASE IT FOR 20 YEARS.

SO I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT CARVING OUT SECTIONS OF OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN TO ALLOW PRIVATELY OWNED SMALLER SCALE BUILDINGS.

THEY CAN STILL BE TWO, THREE STORIES TALL, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S FAIR.

UM, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN RESTRIC PEOPLE PURCHASE THEM, BUT WE COULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT LOT SIZES MAYBE.

SO THE, SO ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE HERE HISTORICALLY WERE BUILT ON A SMALL SCALE, PROBABLY SINGLE OWNER BASIS, ENTREPRENEURS FROM THE KYLE WAS FIRST PLOTTED AND THE RAILROAD CAME THROUGH AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF.

UM, ONE OF THE HARD THINGS TO OVERCOME IS THE COST ABILITY TO THIS SMALL SCALE FROM GETTING A LOAN ENGINEERING ENOUGH REVENUE TO PAY FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY DEVELOPERS TEND TO GO LARGER TRACK BLOCKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, JUST FROM AN ECONOMY OF SCALE PERSPECTIVE.

NOW, THIS ALL COMES BACK TO THE, THE ARCHITECTURE SIDE OF THINGS.

ASSUMING WE HAVE THE PROPER LEGAL FRAME IN PLACE TO REQUIRE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND FINISHES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU CAN CREATE THE CODE ROBUST ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE, EVEN IF IT'S ONE TECHNICAL BUILDING, THE FACADES HAVE TO BE BROKEN UP TO HAVE THAT SMALLER SCALE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED SCALE ALONG THE STREET FRONT TO WHERE IT'S, UM, THAT'S A EXAMPLE THAT PASTRY PRESS BUILDING IS, IT'S LITERALLY 25 FEET WIDE.

IT'S ON A 25 FOOT WIDE LINE, AND THEY'VE MAXIMIZED IT AND IT'S A HUMAN SCALE.

UM, PAPA JACKS WAS, BUT IT'S THE SAME, IT'S 25 FEET WIDE, RIGHT? UM, THE PIE COMPANY TAKES UP TWO LOTS.

I THINK MAYBE THREE.

IT'S 50 TO 75 FEET WIDE, SOMETHING LIKE SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

SO THERE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THERE'S ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER AT SCALE, BUT IT'S STILL A PROPERLY MASKED BUILDING FOR A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

WORK AT THE STATE LEVEL TOO, TO NOT ALLOW CITIES AND COUNTIES TO RESTRICT SITES IMPORTANT.

SO THERE'S, SO THERE'S WAYS YOU CAN DO IT TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CODE THAT IS WRITTEN IS ROBUST FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT.

IS THAT IN HERE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IS THAT SUGGESTED AT ALL IN THIS DOCUMENT? BECAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW WE CAN ONLY SAY SHOULD RIGHT NOW, OR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I, I, I AM A BIT HESITANT AS TO RESTRICTING CERTAIN LOT SIZES BECAUSE THEN NOTHING MAY GET BUILT.

BUT, UM, BUT IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS, A LARGER LOT GETS TAKEN UP, THAT THAT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

UH, AND WILL IT HAPPEN IF IT'S NOT IN HERE? THERE'S A LOT OF

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OH, OH YEAH.

NO, YEAH.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE LOT SIZE PER SE.

ONLY FROM A CO COMPLIANCE PERSPECTIVE.

BUT IT'S MORE OF A, UH, THE, THE DESIGN STANDARDS NEED TO BE ROBUST ENOUGH TO WHERE THE BUILDING LEGITIMATELY, AND I'M NOT TALKING LIKE A SLAP ON A FACADE.

WELL, LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT VISIBLE UNITS AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU SEE ON I 35.

LIKE IT NEEDS TO, LIKE, IT NEEDS TO BE ROBUST ENOUGH TO WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SEPARATE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE PATINA ON IT AUTOMATICALLY, BUT YOU CAN, THERE'S WAYS ARCHITECTURAL YOU CAN DO TO MAKE IT VARY ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S, IT'S BROKEN UP.

I'M SURE WE COULD FIND A WAY ARCHITECTURALLY TO MAKE THINGS LOOK NICE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I STILL FEEL LIKE WE ARE CONCENTRATING 12 BLOCKS OF OUR DOWNTOWN INTO THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE.

DEVELOPERS ARE NOT FROM HERE.

THAT'S A BIG CORPORATION SOMEWHERE IN A DIFFERENT CITY.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PLACES IN DOWNTOWN CARL THAT ARE OWNED BY PEOPLE IN KYLE AND BENEFITING THEM AND THEIR PERSONAL, UH, PERSONAL CAREERS AND EQUITY BUILDING AND ALL THAT STUFF FOR THEIR WELLBEING.

SO I DO TOO.

UM, IT'S A QUESTION, HOW DO WE DO IT? QUESTION.

IS IT, IT COMES DOWN TO A LONG TIME, SELL THAT PROPERTY, WHO'S GONNA BUY IT? AND, AND THERE'S A GENERATIONAL LANDOWNERS IN DOWNTOWN THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY'RE GONNA SELL WHEN THEY WANT TO SELL.

UM, SO IT'S A LOT OF IT'S GONNA BE PIECEMEAL THAT COMES ON, COMES UP, BECOMES AVAILABLE.

SO IT'S GONNA BE HARDER FOR LARGER SCALE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY TAKE THAT WHOLE BLOCK.

OR IT'S GONNA SIT AND LAY FALLOW FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL THE WHOLE BLOCK BECOMES AVAILABLE.

AND THEN THAT SPACE THAT'S NOT BEING USED BECAUSE IT IS SO EXPENSIVE THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN AFFORD TO BUY IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING IS GOING TO BE THAT BIG DEVELOPER STUFF.

AND THE PEOPLE HOLD OFF ON SELLING IT UNTIL THEY HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON TO COME.

I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATIONS THE PLANNERS WHO DRAFTED THIS HAD IN REGARDS TO THAT.

AND IF THEY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE SOMETHING DONE OR WRITTEN ABOUT.

WELL, THAT'S NOT A PLAN THOUGH.

THAT'S JUST A POTENTIAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT.

IT COULD OR COULD NOT LOOK LIKE.

SO LIKE THOSE TWO BUILDINGS AT THE TOP ARE LOOK LIKE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THE LITTLE DISCLOSURE, THERE'S A LITTLE BUBBLE THERE THAT EVEN SAYS THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATION.

THIS ISN'T LEGALLY BINDING WHAT YOUR ORDINANCE AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR, YOUR, IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE.

IT'S JUST A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE.

BUT IF THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO SHAPE THE ORDINANCES WHERE IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT WE USE THOSE FOUNDATION AS A LEGAL DOCUMENT TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN THIS PART OF THE CITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

BUT FROM A, WHAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO, THE CITY IS NOT GONNA COME IN AND SAY, DEVELOPER GO TAKE DOWN THAT BLOCK.

YOU KNOW, BUY UP ALL THOSE PEOPLES LAND AND THEY'RE, THEY CAN'T LIVE DOWNTOWN ANYMORE.

THAT, THAT IS NOT OUR ROLE.

IF, IF WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY THAT'S LIVING DOWNTOWN, WHILE ALSO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHEN'S PUT IN PLACE AND EVERYTHING.

SO IT WILL, AS PROJECTS COME ONLINE, IT WILL LOOK LIKE IT'S PIECEMEAL.

WE HAVE THE PH PLAN IN HERE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOLLOWED FOR THE FACING AS DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COME ONLINE AS WHEN, AND IT'S AN ITERATION OF MANY.

I MEAN THE TOWN CENTER THAT I'M, MY COMPANY'S DESIGNING OR LOOKING AT DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW, IT'S GONE THROUGH 20 DIFFERENT INFORMATIONS THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS.

AND IT'S JUST BLOS ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, THESE ARE FOUNDATIONS.

THE PARK'S GONNA BE HERE FOR SURE.

AND THEN EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS JUST BLOS.

THESE ARE JUST BLOBS AT THIS POINT.

IT'S WHEN SOMEBODY ACTUALLY COMES IN AND HAS THE MONEY TO, TO PURCHASE IT.

LIKE WELL SAID, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAY NO, YOU WILL FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAY THINGS, BUT NO THINGS, RIGHT? WE'RE, IF THEY SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT, UM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO FOLLOW YOUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WE'RE, CAN WE, CAN WE DO THIS? WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT.

SAY, OKAY, SO HERE'S WHAT IT SAYS.

IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE OR RIGHT HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT A SMALL SCALE GROSS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE GO AND THEN FOLLOW OUR CODE AND IT HAPPEN.

OR THEY'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.

WANT TO BE, WE

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WANT TO MAKES IT .

THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A PUT JUST BECAUSE OUR PUT REQUIREMENTS ARE A MINIMUM OF THREE ACRES.

AND THIS, THIS IS A VERY COMPACT AREA.

SO I, I STILL THINK THAT IF, IF THERE IS SOMETHING BUILT THAT'S MULTIPLE LOTS, BASICALLY MULTIPLE USES, IT SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE IT IN HERE.

THAT IT SHOULD BE, UH, DIFFERING.

WHAT'S THE WORD? FACADES? UM, YEAH.

YOU EVER BEEN TO DISNEYLAND? SO I, I WORKED THERE.

SO MAIN STREET, THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE BUILDINGS.

THAT'S IT.

YOU CAN'T TELL THAT FROM THE FRONT.

CAUSE SO WHEN YOU WERE SAYING CAN YOU DO, YES, YOU CAN TAKE SOME MONEY, RIGHT? UM, BUT, BUT LIKE THAT SHOULD BE IN HERE.

I MEAN, CUZ IF IF WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THIS, THEN THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

BECAUSE IF THAT HAPPENS WHERE SOMEONE DOES TAKE A BLOCK, IT SHOULD NOT BE ONE ONE FACADE THE WHOLE WAY DOWN.

WELL SOME OF THOSE BAD EXAMPLES OF WHAT OUR MULTIUSE SHOULD BE ARE ACT THEY ARE MIXTURE OF POTENTIAL STYLES ON THOSE, THOSE AREN'T GOOD EXAMPLES TO USE.

ITS, THERE'S ALWAYS A BAD EXAMPLE OF, UH, A PROJECT.

THERE'S ALWAYS, SO HOW WE DOING? BUT I GOT IT AS A NOTE FOR SURE.

I'M GETTING VERY CLOSE TO BEING DONE.

JUST A FEW MORE.

YES MA'AM.

MAAM.

UM, SO I, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ON THIS IS PAGE 110.

IF I, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SUGGESTED USE, IT'S NOT PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE SAYING THAT SOME BUILDINGS CAN BE FIVE LEVELS AND THEN ON A DIFFERENT PAGE? UM, WHAT PAGE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE.

ITS, THERE'S A PAGE SOMEWHERE THAT TALKS ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHTS AND UH, THE DOWNTOWN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 45 FEET.

IT COULD BE 60 FEET, BUT YOU HAD TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE CITY IN ORDER TO GO UP TO 60 FEET.

SO IF YOU HAVE A FIVE STORY TALL MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT FITS INTO OUR PLAN.

CUZ THESE WILL BE THE MULTI-FAMILY WRAP, WHICH MEANS THAT THE GROUND LEVEL HAS TO BE, I THINK IT'S 15 FEET TALL.

AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR FLOORS OF APARTMENTS ON TOP OF THAT.

IS THAT ENOUGH SPACE TO DO THAT WITHIN 60 FEET? I DON'T KNOW.

SO UNLESS WE, FROM A BUILDING GOOD PERSPECTIVE, UNLESS WE DEFINE OTHERWISE OR MAKE IT A GREATER SPACE BETWEEN FOUR WAYS, TY, TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT 12 FEET FROM FLOOR TO THE TOP OF THE, UM, THE INDUCT WORK.

TO THE BOTTOM OF THE NEXT FLOOR, ESSENTIALLY.

THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL.

SO THAT'S WHAT, HOW THEY GENERALLY CALCULATE A FLOOR, RIGHT? SO A FOUR STORY BUILDING WOULD BE 48 FEET.

AND THEN YOU TALK ON THE 15 OF GROUND FLOOR, RIGHT? SO IF RETAIL, RIGHT? SO IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE BOTTOM FLOOR, A MINIMUM OF 15 AND THEN TIMES EIGHT, THAT'S PUSHING IT.

SO I MEAN THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REFINEMENT IN IT.

ARE YOU GO THROUGH THIS, YOU WE GO THROUGH SOMETHING ABOUT STORIES AND DOWNTOWN THIS ONE I FIRST GOT ON THE COMMISSION, I WOULDN'T HEAR YOU .

SO WE, WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE IN THE CB ONE OR CBD TWO ZONING DISTRICT A MINIMUM FLOOR HEIGHT FOR RETAIL SPACE.

NOW IN THE MXD ZONING DISTRICT, THERE IS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT'S, BUT IT WAS A MINIMUM, I REMEMBER CAUSE WE WERE THINK WE HAD A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT A D D.

THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN A ELEVATOR OR SOMETHING IF, IF BLANK AND THE, OR HAVE A GROUND FLOOR UNIT.

OH YEAH.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING.

AND I COULD SWORN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HEIGHTS YES.

ON THAT TOO.

AND I FORGET THE COMMISSIONER'S NAME THAT YOU SIT ON THE VERY END, UH, PAUL SHEMI YES.

WHERE HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT LIKE RADIO TOWERS OR SPIKES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND IF THAT, IF THAT ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, THAT DOESN'T, IT'S AN INS.

THE SQUARE AND THEN GETTING TALLER AS YOU GO OUT? IS THAT WHAT I MEAN? WELL, I DON'T MIND THAT IT GETS TALLER AS IT GOES OUT.

REMEMBER THAT.

BUT I COULD HAVE SWORN WE HAD A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT WE DID.

SO AGAIN, IF WE ALREADY DID THIS WORK, WHY ISN'T THIS INCORPORATING STUFF THAT WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED? SO FAIR.

UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHY YOU HAD A QUESTION COMMISSION AKIN ABOUT WHY IS IT CAPTAIN THREE STORIES AROUND

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I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE GUIDANCE WE'RE GIVING AROUND HOW TALL THE BUILDINGS ARE PERMITTED TO BE, WHICH IS 45 FEET AS A RULE AND APPROVED WITH, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL PERMISSION UP TO 60.

I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO THIS IN 60 AND THE PARKING GARAGE IS ALSO SAY FIVE TO SIX LEVELS.

BUT THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE IT GOES UNDERGROUND A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO UNDERGROUND.

YOU JUST GOTTA DIG IT UP.

IT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE.

SO, BUT UM, IF WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, WE JUST NEED TO REFINE THAT AND CLARIFY IT.

UM, DEVELOPERS GENERALLY ARE GONNA WANT TO GO AS THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO MAXIMIZE THE DENSITY OR GO AS HIGH AS THEY CAN, HOWEVER THEY CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN IF THEY'RE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A PARKING GARAGE MM-HMM.

CAUSE THE COST.

RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, PER SPACE ABOVE GROUND IS LIKE 30,000, PUSHING 30,000 IN A PARKING SPACE FOR A PARKING GARAGE.

AND THAT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST JUST A STANDARD PARKING GARAGE.

OUR HOME, TO BE FAIR, OUR HOME VALUES AREN'T, DON'T MATCH.

WHAT, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO, TO DO THIS IN TODAY'S MARKET, LET ALONE SAY IT AGAIN.

IN TODAY'S MARKET, OUR HOME VALUES JUST IN, IN THE, IN THE GENERAL AREA.

I MEAN, THIS IS FOR THIS DENSITY AND IF YOU'RE GONNA GO UNDERGROUND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE EASILY TALKING SITTING FIGURE HOMES HERE.

IF IT'S TOWN MULTIFAMILY OR PROBABLY IN THE THREE TO 4,000 PER MONTH RENT.

SO SOME OF THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLICLY FUNDED ON THE PARKING GARAGE OR PART OR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

NECESSARILY SPREAD OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.

UM, THERE IS NOT A FINANCING PLAN IN THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE THAT IS A COMPONENT OF REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN OR THE DOWNTOWN THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND BY FAR THIS DOCUMENT.

SO THERE'S THIS DOCUMENT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THOSE PUBLICLY FUNDED, UH, PROJECTS LIKE A PARKING GARAGE IN PLACE TO, AND THAT'S A WHOLE, BUT EVEN AT 60 FEET AT START, I COULDN'T EVEN SEE.

YEAH, I WANNA SAY THAT, BUT SO, UM, IT'S, YEAH, WE NEED, WE, IT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER REFINED.

SO IF THERE'S ANY, UH, INACCURACIES AND THAT'S PAGE SHOULD SLEEP.

UH, FINAL COMMENT FOR THAT PAGE.

I SEE TOWN HOMES ON ONE SIDE OF ONE BLOCK ON THE TOP LEFT.

UM, IT'S BURLESON BETWEEN LOCKARD AND BLANCO.

UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR MASTER PLAYING A CONCEPT, HAVE MORE TOWN HOMES AND FEWER MULTI, WHEN I SEE MULTI-FAMILY, I THINK APARTMENTS, BUT THAT MIGHT BE CONDOS AS WELL.

UM, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN OUR CORE, KYLE DOWNTOWN WHO ARE RESIDENTS IN KYLE, WHO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND I THINK PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IS A GREAT TOOL FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT.

SO I'D RATHER HAVE MORE OF A BALANCE BETWEEN TOWN HOME AND, UM, UH, MULTI-FAMILY IN DOWNTOWN.

SO YOU'RE GONNA GET A DISAGREEMENT FOR ME.

AND I, I WON'T SPEAK FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER JAMES, BUT, UM, I KNOW HE IS, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL THAT, THAT RENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

HE'S STAYED THAT NUMEROUS TIMES.

HE HAS AS MUCH SKIN IN THE GAME AS, AS HE'S A RESIDENT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT WITHIN ANY COMMUNITY, AND HAVING THAT MIXTURE IS, IS IMPORTANT.

AND LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, A TOWN HOME PRODUCT IN HERE WITH, WITH THE TYPE OF PARKING AND ALL THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, UM, TO FIND A DEVELOPER THAT'S WILLING TO, TO PUT THAT TYPE OF OUTLAY DOWN TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THAT'S JUST MY, UM, YEAH, I I, I ALSO DISAGREE.

I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS IS, THERE ARE, IT IS NOT TOO FAR THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT, BUT WHERE THIS IS, YOU WANT TO HAVE DENSITY, THE IDEA FOR THESE PLACES TO THRIVE AND ALL THIS TO HAVE DENSITY AROUND THEM.

AND SO, UM, I THINK THIS CLOSE TO ALL THESE THINGS, WE WANT THE HIGHER THINGS.

I MEAN, IF THERE IS SOME TOWN HOMES, OKAY, BUT I WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE MORE, UH, LOWER DENSITY.

UH, UM, THIS IS WHERE I THINK DENSITY SHOULD BE NOT

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IT SHOULD BE HERE, UM, IS WHERE I WOULD PUT DENSITY.

I THINK.

I THINK TOWN HOMES ARE GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO HAVE DIVERSITY OF THE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA.

I THINK OF A LOT OF APARTMENTS, YES, YOU CAN HAVE A THREE BEDROOM APARTMENT WITH A FAMILY, WITH SMALL CHILDREN AND DIFFERENT AGES, BUT I DO THINK THAT IN A TOWN HOME, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET MORE FAMILIES.

AND I, I THINK THAT HAVING ONE STRIP OF TOWN HOMES MIGHT BE TOO LITTLE.

MAYBE A 50 50 MIX IS TOO MUCH.

THE MARKET ONE STRIP IS, IS TOO LITTLE IN MY OPINION.

AND I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPT, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO THROW THAT.

IS IT A MORE OF A OWNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT IDEA OR IS IT MORE OF A ARCHITECTURAL AND SPACE, LIKE A CONDOMINIUM? WOULD THAT BE I THINK, I THINK CONDOS ARE FINE TOO.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT APARTMENTS, I HAVE NEVER LIVED IN AN APARTMENT FOR MORE THAN THREE YEARS, AND MOST OF THE TIMES I LIVED IN AN APARTMENT FOR ONE YEAR.

SO AS FAR AS GETTING INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS OR PROJECTS IN THE CITY, YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THE, UH, THE CHARACTER AND THE CULTURE OF A PLACE.

I THINK THAT APARTMENTS, SOME PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY DO GET INVOLVED AND PARTICIPATE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.

AND IF WE CAN USE THIS SPACE IN OUR BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, FANCY SCH UPDATED DOWNTOWN, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT BE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN KYLE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, ARE ABLE TO LIVE AND OWN A PROPERTY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO RENT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, I THINK THAT THAT'S A, A NICE THING FOR PEOPLE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT CONDOMINIUM VERSUS RENTAL, BECAUSE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO, IF, IF CONDOMINIUMS ARE PURSUED, WHETHER YOU CAN HAVE CONDOMINIUM TOWN HOMES, YOU CAN HAVE CONDOMINIUM TOWER, BOX IS THE WRONG WORD, IT'S THE WRONG CONNOTATION ANYWAY, BUT MULTIFAMILY.

, , UM, ARCHITECTURE STYLES, CONDOMINIUMS, CONDOMS CAN BE ANYTHING, CAN BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, DUPLEX, TRIFLEX, TOWN HOMES, MULTI-FAMILY.

UM, SO IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT'S TOWN HALL OR MULTI-FAMILY CONDOMINIUMS, THERE'S THE EQUITY YOU GET TO BUILD AND THEN WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, AND IT'S A MORE, NOT ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT IN, IN THE SENSE THAT YOU'RE MORE VESTED IN THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE WHERE YOU LIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN OWN, YOU OWN IT OR YOU'RE PAYING OFF A LOAN.

BUT, UM, I, I THINK IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE.

NOW, THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS, AGAIN, JUST THE WILL THE MARKET, I KNOW WE SAY THE MARKET, IT'S PROBABLY SOUND LIKE NEBULOUS THING, BUT WILL THE MARKET DEMAND CONDOMINIUMS DOWNTOWN? THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE.

WE CAN, WE CAN TRY TO PUSH FOR CONDOMINIUMS ALL WE WANT, BUT IF THE MARK, IF NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD CONDOMINIUMS, THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD CONDOMINIUMS. YEAH.

SO THAT'S TRUE.

BUT, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT THAT AS A NOTE IN THERE.

YOU KNOW, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP, MULTIPLE TYPES OF, OF LIVING ARRANGEMENTS WHERE THERE CAN BE RENTAL CONDOMINIUM, UH, FEE SIMPLE, YOU NAME IT, WE WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE AS AN IDEA.

JUST, UH, ECONOMICS JUST DON'T, DON'T WORK.

THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE THE SAME.

THOSE THAT ARE RENTING AN APARTMENT ARE THE SAME ONES THAT ARE BUYING A CONDO.

AND RIGHT NOW RENT IS LOWER THAN OWNERSHIP.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET TODAY IS, IS THE MARKET TODAY AND WHAT THAT OTHER OF IS FEATURE.

BUT THAT'S A HARD SELL TO, TO SELL A, WITH THE PRICE.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BASED ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNLESS IT WAS A COMBO BUILDING LIKE THIS MULTI-FAMILY TOWN HOME TYPE FOR THE DEVELOPERS MAKING.

AND COMMISSIONER STACO, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YES.

UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER KIN, BUT, UH, THE CONCERNS ABOUT OWNERSHIP FOR DOWNTOWN PROPERTY, I, I MUCH PREFER THAT WE TRY TO INCENTIVIZE LOCAL OWNERSHIP.

IF WE REALLY HONESTLY LOOK AT THIS, UH, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DISPLACED.

AND, UM, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL HAPPEN EXACTLY, BUT IT'S VERY LIKELY BECAUSE THIS CREATES A LOT OF PRESSURE IN THAT PART OF TOWN, THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE RESIDENTIAL OWNERSHIP BE INCENTIVIZED EVEN IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WHETHER IT'S CONDOS, TOWN HOMES,

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WHATEVER.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WEALTH DEVELOPED HERE AND THE WEALTH, THE VALUE OF THOSE PROPERTIES STAY HERE RATHER THAN A COMPANY IN LET'S SAY NOVA SCOTIA.

UH, WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT RECENTLY, A COM, A COMPANY IN NOVA SCOTIA ACTUALLY OWNS THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY OR THE REAL PROPERTY, AND THEY BENEFIT FROM THE WEALTH, NOT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

THEY MAY PAY TAXES, BUT WE DON'T DEVELOP FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ABILITY TO ENJOY THE WEALTH OF THE FAMILIES, THE INDIVIDUALS OR THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THERE'S THIS, UH, ECONOMIC COMPONENT AND SOCIAL COMPONENT THAT THIS DOCUMENT CAN ADDRESS.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO, UH, BE AWARE OF, AND THAT'S ONE REASON I USE THIS TERM, SMART AND FAIR-MINDED ABOUT HOW WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS, BECAUSE IT HAS A LOT OF OTHER IMPLICATIONS AND, UH, I KNOW THE MARKET DRIVES A LOT OF THINGS, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER WHAT ARE OUR BEST INTERESTS AND ASK THE BEST OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT DO BUSINESS WITH US, BECAUSE I'M FOR WEALTH CREATION IN THE COMMUNITY AS A BIG, UH, UH, CONCERN.

AND SO CONDOS, THE REST OF IT, UH, MAKE SENSE TO, TO ME, WILL HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENTS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN.

SO, UH, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH, WITH, WITH OWNERSHIP OR NOT, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO ENCOURAGE LOWER DENSITY.

I THINK THAT THAT UNDERMINES WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE, WITH THESE SPECIFIC BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, WITH OUTSIDE OF THESE THAT'S FINE.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, CONDOMINIUMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE.

I, I'M FINE WITH IT EITHER DIRECTION, BUT I, I DO NOT THINK SUGGESTING LOWER DENSITY WITHIN WHAT WE'RE PLANNING HERE, YOU KNOW, MATCHES UP WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN, WHAT THIS IS.

SO I, I WOULD STILL ENCOURAGE A HIGHER DENSITY, WHETHER IT BE OWNERSHIP OR NOT, OR RENTING.

EITHER ONE'S FINE WITH ME.

I MEAN, TO ME, A TOWN HOME IS STILL AN IMPROVEMENT OVER A SINGLE FAMILY STANDALONE HOUSE AS FAR AS DENSITY.

AND, UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENTLE DENSITY, THIS IS ON THE VERY EDGE.

THESE TOWN HOMES ARE ON THE VERY EDGE.

SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION AND THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD THINK ABOUT DOING TOWN HOMES MAYBE ON THE PERIMETER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AND, AND SO THAT COULD VERY EASILY BE VERY CLOSE ON ANY SIDE OF THIS MAP AND NOT NECESSARILY IN THESE SPECIFIC BLOCKS THAT ARE CORE DOWNTOWN.

WHAT, WHAT'S OUR, IS IT FOUR AND A HALF TO AN ACRES IS I REMEMBER FOUR AND A HALF UNITS? OR IS THAT, IS THAT DETACHED? THAT DETACHED FOR FOUR UNITS SIDE BY SIDE? YEAH.

10 TENABLE ACRE MAX.

SO YOU LOSE YOU LOSE YOUR DENSITY.

I DON'T, I I JUST, WITHIN THESE BLOCKS, I DON'T SUPPORT IT.

THE THREE PEOPLE ON THE TWO TO THE LEFT OF THE TREE AND TO THE ONE PERSON TO THE RIGHT MM-HMM.

OUTSIDE OF THEM.

THAT'S FINE.

UM, I WOULD NOT ENCO, I THINK IT JUST, UM, I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE HAVING CONFLICTING MESSAGES IF WE, IF WE SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, OH, LET'S DO TOO LOWER DENSITY, LET'S IT'S COURAGE, MORE LOWER DENSITY.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL THINK ON THIS.

I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE DS, BUT THAT WAS MY TAKE.

I LOVE THIS DISCUSSION.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, SO I ONLY HAVE TWO REMAINING COMMENTS AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WILL GENERATE MUCH DISCUSSION.

SO I WANNA THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE HERE AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY.

I'M NOT EVERYONE HERE FOR YOUR PATIENTS WHILE I WENT THROUGH THIS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UH, YES MA'AM.

SO MY LAST TWO COMMENTS, UM, FROM PAGES 1 24 TO ONE 30, THIS IS THE STREET CROSS SECTIONS.

UH, THE MEASUREMENTS THAT ARE PLACED ON THERE, I DON'T THINK MATCH WITH THE IMAGES.

SO IF WE LOOK AT PAGE, WHAT'S THIS 1 26, WE SEE A FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE, AND THAT'S NEXT TO AN EXPANDED SIDEWALK THAT'S 16 FEET.

AND I FEEL LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE PLAYED WITH THE PROPORTIONS OF THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS AN EXPANDED SIDEWALK WITH A BIG TREE AND A BENCH, AND THAT'S FUN.

AND WE LIKE THAT.

IT MAKES US FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN A COOL AREA.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIKE LANE THAT'S FIVE FEET, AND YOU LOOK AT THE EXPANDED SIDEWALK, THE EXPANDED SIDEWALK IS ALMOST TWO TIMES AS BIG AS IT SHOULD BE TO VISUALLY REPRESENT WHAT IT'S SAYING FIVE FEET VERSUS NEXT TO 16 FEET.

SO IF WE COULD GET THE CROSS SECTIONS DRAWN MORE TO SCALE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

MAYBE THIS IS NORMAL FOR THE INDUSTRY, IT'S JUST THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT.

SO I WOULD PREFER IF WE GET THESE REDRAWN TO SCALE.

SO IT MAY BE A SCALE WHAT THAT CROSS SECTION IS SHOWING.

UM, IF, IF YOU WERE TO PUT A CAR WHERE THE TREE IS AND

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, IT WOULD TAKE UP THE LENGTH OF THAT FOR THE MOST OF IT, LIKE A DECENT SIZE CAR.

SO WHAT THE, THE CY CROSS SECTION ON THIS PAGE AND THE FOLLOWING PAGE SHOWS LIKE, IT'S, IT'S A REMOVAL OF ALL THE, THE ANGLED PARKING ON CENTER STREET.

SO YOU FILL THAT ANGLE WITH, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK INSTEAD.

AND, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL BE CLOSE TO PROBABLY CLOSE TO SIX 60 FEET.

AND I'M TRUSTING THE DOCUMENT BY YOU.

I HAVEN'T GONE OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY MEASURED IT.

SO, BUT THEY, UH, SHE'S RIGHT WAY UP.

A FIVE, A FIVE FOOT BIKE LANE OUT HERE IS AT THE SIZE OF MY THUMBS, MY ONE A THUMB, NOT THUMBS.

I GO OVER THREE AND I'M AT THE TREE, AND THAT WOULD BE 50 FEET.

SO YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I DIDN'T MEASURE IT THAT BAD, BUT IT'S STILL THE WAY I MEASURED, IT'S USING A PIECE OF PAPER.

UM, IT, IT'S STILL, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SCALE.

AND, UM, YOU, YOU BRINGING IT DOWN TO SCALE WILL BE IMPRESSIVE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

I JUST WANT IT TO BE ACCURATE.

YEAH, THAT'S FAIR.

I LOVE THAT WE'RE DOING THE EXPANDED SIDEWALKS.

I JUST WANT ANYONE WHO READS THE PLAN TO NOT FEEL LIKE THEY WERE MISLED IF THEY DIDN'T READ THE, THE COMMENTS UNDERNEATH, LIKE YOU COULD THROW FOOTBALL ON THIS WEEK.

AND, UM, MY FINAL COMMENT IS ON PAGE 1 41, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

UM, ON 1 41, WE HAVE A DRAWING OF WEST LOCK STREET OF THE TRAFFIC FLOOR IN THE PARKING, UM, IT'S SHOWING NO IN PARKING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, BUT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, IT'S GOING AGAINST THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.

SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE BACK END PARKING THERE OR IS IT GOING TO BE NO, IN PARKING, JUST GOING THE OTHER WAY? YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, ALTHOUGH, OH, NO, NO KNOW YELLOW LINE.

DON'T TALK ABOUT LEFT TURNS.

WE CAN BE OFF ON, WE BACK OUT.

PAGE 1 41.

AND WITH THAT I AM DONE.

I, I APOLOGIZE.

THAT IS A GOOD CATCH.

IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE, I'VE GOT A FEW, UH, MOST OF MY THINGS HAVE BEEN COVERED ALREADY.

I SAW A FEW.

UH, WILL, IF YOU'RE READY, CAN WE GO BACK UP PAGE 19 PLEASE? I'M READY.

IT WON'T TAKE THAT LONG.

I'LL JUST GET THROUGH.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

I, I, I, SOME OF MY QUESTIONS ARE KIND OF OVERARCHING QUESTIONS AND, AND THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE DUMB, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ASKED AND THAT WE WORK THROUGH THEM.

SO, OKAY, PAGE 19, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING CBD ONE AND CBD TWO, UH, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO AREAS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY CBD ONE AND CBD TWO.

SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, I PROBABLY SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT THE ONLY TIME WE EVER CHANGE ZONINGS SO FAR IN MY EXPERIENCE IS WHEN SOMEONE ASKS, CAN I PLEASE CHANGE MY ZONING? ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA TELL PEOPLE YOUR ZONING IS NOW CD ONE, CD TWO? NO.

THIS IS A PLAN TO SAY.

SO JUST LIKE IN ANY OTHER PORTION OF A COMP PLAN, SO LET'S SAY YOU'RE IN A LOCAL NODE OR IN THE REGIONAL NODE ON 35 OR IN A NEW SETTLEMENT DISTRICT, IT'LL EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF WHERE YOU CAN PUT THE CV ONE AND CV TWO EVENTUALLY AS AN IDEA.

SO, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE PROPERTY OWNER DRIVEN SAYING, I WANT TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

CAN YOU SCROLL UP THEN TO 18 TO THE MAP? SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THIS ORANGE AREA THAT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A DISTRICT THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE CBD ONE AND CB TWO IN, AND YOU MIGHT GET CBD ONE AND CB TWO PRETTY FAR WEST ON CENTER STREET, BUT IT MAY NOT BE ALL THE WAY DOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE.

IS IT IS, IS THE M TWO THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE ON THE WEST CENTER STREET? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE, THE MANUFACTURE HOMES ARE.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE NOT GOING TO REZONE IT UNILATERALLY BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS IN 99.9% OF THE TIME IT IS PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED OR THE PURCHASER WANTING TO THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE.

SO, NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, THAT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

BUT THEN LET'S TAKE

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ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35.

I ASSUME, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THAT ZONE RIGHT NOW.

I ASSUME IT'S RETAIL SERVICES.

I THINK IT'S RETAIL SERVICES.

ARE WE SAYING THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO WANT TO VOLUNTARILY DOWN ZONE THAT TO CBD ONE OR CBD TWO? IT'S UP TO US, THE COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY COUNSEL AND DECIDE THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.

AND THEN IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THAT.

JUST LIKE IN ANY OTHER PORTION OF THE COMP LAND IN THE CITY.

IF YOU DO NOT THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT LITTLE TAG THERE AS AN EXAMPLE.

NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING.

I I LIKE E EVEN IF WE ALL THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SHOULD APPROPRIATE, UM, I DON'T OWN THAT LAND AND SOMEONE ELSE DOES.

AND IF IT'S ALREADY RETAIL SERVICES, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO ANYTHING CBD ONE OR CBD TWO ALREADY.

AND THEY CAN DO QUITE A BIT MORE.

SO IF IT'S COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY, WHY WOULD THAT PROPERTY OWNER COME ASK, CAN I PLEASE BE CBD ONE OR CBD TWO? THEY ARE NOT LIKELY TO BECAUSE IT IS I 35 FRONTAGE IN THIS EXAMPLE.

AND SO THE AMOUNT OF USES COMING IN THAT THEY COULD HAVE AND THE RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, LOOSER RESTRICTIONS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT BEING THAT'S VOLUNTARY, THEY CAN STILL DO THAT.

WE DON'T, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION THAT WE'VE JUST DONE WITH THE, UH, THE PARAMOUNTS SUBDIVISION WHERE WE TOLD 'EM TO ZONE IT CUZ YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO, WE DON'T REZONE IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

THAT'S ALL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO YOU'RE CORRECT.

THEY PROBABLY WON'T DOWN ZONE IT UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE WHO JUST REALLY LIKES TOWN CENTERS AND WANTS TO COME IN AND DEVELOP IT AS A TOWN CENTER.

BUT, BUT EVEN THEN THEY CAN STILL DO THAT AND KEEP IN RETAIL SERVICES, COULDN'T THEY? JUST TO KEEP THE HIGHER ZONING.

IT WOULD BE HARDER TO HAVE TO DEVELOP A BUILDING LIKE DEVELOPMENT LIKE DOWNTOWN IS RIGHT NOW WITH RETAIL SERVICES AND CB TWO, IF YOU WANT THE FUEL FOR CB TWO DON'T DO RETAIL SERVICES BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY, THE SETBACKS ARE RIDICULOUS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S PRACTICAL I I I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THIS LITTLE TAIL STILL JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

THE, THE BURLESON OR THE CENTER STREET, THE, THE, OH, THE PART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST OF 35 WHERE DAIRY QUEEN IS RIGHT NOW, AND THEN IT CROSSES WHAT THE GAS STATION, WHICH THIS IS ALSO ENCOMPASSING.

THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THIS.

I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO TIE IT IN AND CROSS THE HIGHWAY AND PROVIDE A GATEWAY AND, AND AND, AND THE FACT THAT THAT THAT EAST 35 IS NOT COMPLETELY JUST HOME.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT, BUT I, I DON'T SEE THIS EVER COMING TO FRUITION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT, HEY, THIS WOULD BE NICE IF THIS HAPPEN, BUT IF WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, IF IT'S, I ASSUME IT'S ALREADY ZONE REGIONAL SERVICES.

I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS FOR THIS AREA, OWN REGIONAL SERVICES.

BUT BESIDES THOSE SETBACKS YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T SEE ANY INCENTIVE TO DOWN ZONE THIS.

SO I DON'T SEE THIS BEING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE JERRY QUEEN AND MORE PLACES LIKE THAT.

I JUST, I I, WE CAN SAY WHAT WE LIKE HERE, BUT I I DON'T GET IT.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA EVER COME TO ANYTHING.

DO YOU, ARE, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING TO, FROM THIS IMAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IN THE ORANGE, ARE Y'ALL RECOMMENDING TO JUST TO PAIR IT DOWN AND THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING.

CAUSE WE, WE WANT YOUR INPUT IN THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS OF STUFF TOO.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

UM, I I I, I MEAN I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA IF IT'S ALL ACTUALLY WAS CBD ONE, C E TWO, THE FACT THAT YOU COULD WALK DOWN CENTER STREET, THAT YOU COULD GO TO THIS AREA AND IT, THE IDEA OF IT IS NICE.

I JUST, I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.

AND SO THE FACT THAT THIS IS OUR PLAN, THIS IS GOING TO BEGIN OUR COMP PLAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE IN OUR MASTER PLAN.

IT JUST, IT, IT SEEMS STRANGE TO MAKE PLANS AROUND THIS WHEN WE DON'T THINK IT'S EVER ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE POINT? WHY DID THEY, WHY DID THEY ADD THIS? I LIKE, I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF IT.

I MEAN, IF THAT WERE TO, THIS IS WHERE THE WAY TO BE IF WE'RE DESIGNING KYLE NOW AND NOTHING WAS ZONED AND WE JUST DECIDED THAT, THAT'S FINE.

BUT I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND MAKING A COMP PLAN AND MAKING A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AROUND SOMETHING WE DON'T THINK IS EVER GONNA ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

THE GROUP ACTUALLY DID ON HAVING IT ON THERE .

THOUGH WE POSSIBLY MAY BE WASTING MORE ENERGY JUST ON DISCUSSION THAN

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SO THE 12 BLOCK, THEY MAY NOT HAVE EVEN HAD THIS CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY JUST SAID 12 BLOCKS AREA DOWNTOWN.

IS THAT CURRENTLY CBD ONE AND TWO? IT'S A, IT'S A MIX OF CB ONE.

CB TWO, AND THERE'S EVEN SOME OLD R ONE, WHICH IS OUR OLD 1978 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

IT.

SO AROUND THE SQUARE IT'S CB TWO PRIMARILY, AND THEN IT GOES OUT FROM THERE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A SMATTERING, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME R ONE ON THE SQUARE, UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME CB ONE IN THERE AS WELL.

IT'S PRETTY LIMITED.

IT'S MOSTLY C2.

UM, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN ACTUAL ACTION POINT TO ALL THAT, BUT I JUST, I WAS TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I, I WAS ONE OF, I FEARFUL OF US CHANGING PEOPLE'S ZONINGS.

BUT, BUT, BUT IF WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WITHOUT THE REQUEST, I JUST, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THESE PLANS AROUND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I GUESS IF THEY ASK FOR A REZONE OF SOMETHING ELSE, THEN WE CAN, YOU COULD PUSH TO, TO THIS ONLY.

BUT SEE, BUT WHAT DO THEY GET A REZONE FOR? THE WAY THEY USE THIS WORK IS, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING DOWN ZONE FROM YOU, YOU CAN ALREADY DO SO.

SO LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING, WE THINK OF COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING USES, BUT THEY COULD ALSO DO CBD ONE, CBD TWO RETAIL SERVICE THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S A DOWN ZONING.

AND SO SINCE THEY CAN, SINCE THEY CAN DO CBD ONE CBD TWO THINGS ALREADY WITHOUT LOWERING THEIR ZONING, UM, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY STRONG REASON TO DO IT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS BESIDES THE SETBACKS.

SO AND AN APARTMENT DEVELOPER COULD ALWAYS COME IN IN BUY SOME OF THAT LAND BEHIND IT TOO.

AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE HAVING A LONGER DISCUSSION PROBABLY THE FOLKS THAT DID THIS.

SO, BUT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY ACTION POINT FROM THIS? DO WE ACTUALLY WANT TO DROP THIS OR JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS KNOWING THAT NOTHING WILL ACTUALLY COME OF IT.

IS THERE ANY HARM JUST LEAVING IT? NO.

NO.

THE ONLY HARM IS THAT WE'RE MAKING PLANS AROUND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY A HARM OR NOT.

I, I I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S THIS, I'M JUST, I MEAN, THAT AREA BY HILL, FROM HILL STREET UP, UP, THAT'S ALL OPEN FIELD RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

THAT WITH THE DAIRY CLEAN AT THE NORTH.

SO I CAN SEE MAYBE HAVING THAT ZONE BACK THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ZONE BEHIND IT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S, BUT IF IT'S ALREADY ZONE RETAIL SERVICES, ALL THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL HEB WAS GONNA GO, UH, EAST OF THE S CURVE THERE.

UM, AND THEN THEY FOUND ABOUT 1626 COMING ALONG AND THEY WENT UP TO 1626.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

THEN WHY MAKE A PLAN IF YOU, SO, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.

IS THERE HARM IN HAVING THIS IN OUR PLAN AND PLANNING AROUND SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WON'T ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION? DO WE WANT TO HAVE A MORE REALISTIC IDEA OF THE FUTURE OR IS THIS OKAY? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT SOMEHOW HAPPENED.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A, I LIKE USING THE TERM, THERE'S A SWEET SPOT IN THERE.

THERE'S A, THERE IS A FINE LINE.

SO YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S NUANCE.

IT'S NUANCED, RIGHT? SO, UM, IT'S FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, IT MAY NOT EVER BE CBD ONE OR TWO TWO ON THAT LITTLE TAG ON THE SIDE OF FIVE.

WITH THAT MUCH, RIGHT? IT'S KIND THE, THE MOST WE'RE GONNA GET OUT OF THAT.

THE MOST REQUEST WE'RE EVER GONNA GET FROM REZONING IS, OR DEVELOPMENT AT THIS IN THE CURRENT STATE OF THINGS IS, IS RETAIL DRIVEN OR THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR MULTIFAMILY.

AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

SO I THINK, I THINK FROM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THINKING THROUGH THIS, I WOULD LEAVE IT AS IS BECAUSE IF NOTHING ELSE, IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE US TO TREAT IT SIMILAR TO THAT WE TREAT HOW WE TREAT WEST OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SIDEWALK AND THINGS WILL BE NICER BECAUSE OF THIS.

I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT I, I'LL LEAVE IT AS IS.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BECOME VERY, YOU KNOW, AWARE OF THE FACT THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE THAT'S JUST ONE ASPECT OF THIS MAP.

THIS MAP GOES OTHER DIRECTIONS TOO, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOT BEING DOWN ZONED NECESSARILY TO GO.

SO THAT'S THE WORST OUTLIER.

BUT THE OTHER ONES, I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY, I'LL, I'LL CONTINUE ON IF WE YEAH, JUST HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGES FROM, FROM LAND OWNERS.

BUT IF THE INTENT IS HERE TO INCREASE THAT AREA FOR CBD ONE AND CBD TWO, THAT COULD BE INITIATED BY THE CITY, COULD IT NOT? IT WE, IT IT LEGALLY, SORRY.

NO, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.

IT LEGALLY, LEGALLY WE CAN'T, IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA UNLESS YOU HAVE, UNLESS YOU ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT YOU ARE CLEARLY IN THE RIGHT TO DO SO BECAUSE IT CAN BE TO DOWN ZONE, IT CAN BE CONSTRUED AS A, TAKING AN ECONOMIC TAKING.

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AND SO IN THE ALMOST ALL CASES IT IS, IT'S ON THE REQUEST OF THE LANDOWNER.

WE, WE, WE HAVE OUR PLANS IN PLACE, SO WHEN PEOPLE DO COME TO ASK TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, WE CAN POINT TO THE PLAN AND SAY, YOU'RE LIMITED TO THIS OR YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

SO, AND THEN WE PETITION WHAT THE USE OF THE PLAN.

NOW, IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN'T SHAPE THE, THE CITY TO THE WAY THAT, I MEAN IF YOUR PLAN, IF THEY CAME AND ASKED FOR A PUD OR SOMETHING, MAYBE WE WOULD GO TO THE PLANT AND SAY, WELL, WE, WE WOULD PREFER THIS, BUT REALLY THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO.

BUT YES, DOWN ZONING THEM WOULD BE LIMITING THE OPTIONS THEY HAD.

AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, COULD HURT THEM ECONOMICALLY.

THE THE CITY WOULD NOT THE CITY IT IS, IT IS, YOU'RE ON THE CITY'S ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

IF YOU INITIATE A ZONING CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY THAT YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S HAPPENED, IT'S, THAT'S OVER HERE.

SO WE WE'RE WANTING, THE CITY HAS TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.

AND WE GENERALLY DON'T DO IT.

IT'S, IT'S ALMOST, IT'S IT'S 99.999% OF THE TIME AT THE REQUEST OF THE LANDOWNER OR, OR SOMEONE THAT THEY'VE GIVEN PERMISSION TO, TO REQUEST THE, SO THE REASON THOUGH, I I, I WAS GONNA SAY LEAVE IT THERE WAS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING EAST OF 35 BE TREATED KINDA LIKE Z AREA WEST OF 35 TO MAYBE HAVE THE NICER WALKABILITY HAVE THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT YES, THAT DOES WORRY ME.

IT DOES WORRY ME IF, IF THE CITY WERE TO SAY, HEY, I'M SORRY YOU ARE CBD TWO NOW.

AND, UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I WOULD TAKE IT OUT.

BUT I, BUT I, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND LEAVING IT IN THERE.

I MAY BE WISHFUL THINKING, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE TREATED SIMILAR TO THE STUFF TREATED WEST OF 35 AND MAYBE BE ABLE TO HAVE THE BETTER WALKABILITY, BETTER SIDEWALKS AND SUCH.

I MEAN, YEAH, YOU COULD EXTEND IT, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE LEHMAN ROAD.

YOU GOT THE PARK, YOU KNOW, KIND THERE AND YOU GOT THE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO, SO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS, IS WE ALSO HAVE THE VIBE TRAILS SNEAKING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS, AS A NETWORK.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR PROJECTS TO COME ONLINE THAT PROVIDE SOMETHING SPECIAL.

AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY BRO GOES SO FAR NORTH AS THE CBD ONE CB TWO IDEA, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT EVER HAPPEN IS BECAUSE THAT IS THE VIBE TRAIL, CORRECT? YES.

THE, THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE ROAD, SPECIFICALLY FROM A, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IS MORE LIKELY TO HAVE THE VIBE TRAIL ON.

AND SO THIS IS ONLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAPPEN, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THE LANDOWNERS DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE.

AS AS PROJECTS DEVELOP AND IT'S PIECE MILL, THEN WE'LL BUILD THEIR SECTION.

BUT ALSO ON BURLESON THERE'S LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN TO SEE IF THEY HAVE TO DEDICATE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO, THE PLAN AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW FOR THE FIVE TRAIL ON BURLESON, AND LEGALLY THEY CAN DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S IMPLEMENTED IN THE CODE POLICE HAS UPDATED THE CODE FOR GOLF CARTS FROM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DRIVE A GOLF CART ON, ON BRISON AS LONG AS YOU HAVE IT REGISTERED.

SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S MORE OF A SHARED LANE KIND.

SO ANYWAY, I, OKAY.

THAT'S A RABBIT HOLE.

IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD, I'M GONNA MOVE ON.

UH, PAGE 26, PLEASE.

UM, I, I, THIS IS AGAIN JUST A VERY BASIC QUESTION.

I JUST WANNA ASK, UH, ABOUT MINIMUM LOT SIZES.

ACTUALLY, I DUNNO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S PRACTICAL MINIMUM AREAS THAT APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR APARTMENT DEVELOPERS NEED FROM AN ACREAGE PERSPECTIVE TO GET THE AMOUNT OF NEED THAT THEY NEED FROM A FINANCING PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO THE PARKING.

UH, 12,000, UH, SQUARE FEET.

JUST, OKAY, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION I SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW IN MY ROLE, BUT, UH, WHY, WHY, UH, IS IT THAT NUMBER AND NOT LIKE, LIKE, LIKE WHY, WHY DO WE REQUIRE THAT SIZE LOT? SO THE R THREE TWO, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY, OUR MID RANGE MULTIFAMILY ZONE DISTRICT WAS WRITTEN IN 2003 AND I WAS A HIGH SCHOOL.

I DON'T KNOW WHY SPECIFICALLY.

UH, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THOUGH, UM,

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RIGHT? BUT, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED.

SO WHY WOULD WE PUT THAT RESTRICTION ON THEM IF, IF THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ALREADY HAD THAT RESTRICTION? I DON'T, I MEAN, THIS IS A BIGGER QUESTION THAN JUST THIS DOCUMENT THAT'S EXISTING.

THAT'S, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT IN THE DOCUMENT WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING THING FOR HERE AND NOW I, I DON'T SEE THE REASON FOR IT.

I THINK IT'S A RESTRICTION WITHOUT A BENEFIT.

SO I THINK THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF, SO WHEN WE THINK OF APARTMENTS, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF APARTMENTS, YOU THINK OF MULTISTORY.

BUILDINGS, RIGHT? BUT APARTMENTS CAN ALSO BE SIMPLE FAMILY, SINGLE STORY.

THINK OF IT WITH LIKE A MOTEL, RIGHT? THAT CAN ALSO BE AN APARTMENT.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS TO STOP SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING.

NOT A MOTEL ITSELF, BUT THINK OF LIKE THE LAYOUT OF A MOTEL APARTMENTS.

SO WE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT SMALLER THAN 12,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT MUCH ON THERE IN THAT KIND OF A, I I THERE'S, WELL THAT'S THE MINIMUM, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WHY DO WE HAVE A MINIMUM? I I I I DO NOT SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT.

AND, AND I GUESS THIS IS A BIGGER QUESTION BECAUSE IF WE WERE ACTUALLY GONNA GET RID OF THE MINIMUM, IT WOULDN'T BE CHANGING THIS DOCUMENT.

IT WOULD BE CHANGING SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND MINIMUM SIZES.

AND, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, AND I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ITEM WE'RE ON ANYMORE.

UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR WHEN WE GET THERE.

CAUSE WE'RE NOT DONE WITH OUR MEETING YET.

UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HELPS US.

IT IS.

THEY'RE, THEY WILL TYPICALLY ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING LARGER THAN THAT.

AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

THIS IS NOT A MAXIMUM, THIS IS A MINIMUM TO STAY ON TRACK AND INEVIT TO STAY ON TRACK.

I CAN, THERE'S, THERE IS A, UM, THERE'S HISTORICAL REASONS WHY, WHY, UH, WHY COMMUNITIES WANT LARGER LOTS.

WE, WE, I WILL SAVE THAT FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

FAMILY JUST DON'T STREET.

THAT'S A SINGLE STORY MULTIFAMILY LOT THAT'S DEFINITELY LESS.

THAT'S ABOUT THOUSAND.

SO I'M READY TO MOVE ON AND I WILL BRING THAT UP AT ANOTHER TIME IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.

NEXT, UH, NEXT PAGE PLEASE.

27.

UH, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 27 AND I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE I 35 CORRIDOR UNDER COMMERCIAL AND OTHER, UH, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

WHY WOULD WE WANT CC AND NC IN AN I 35 CORRIDOR? THAT SEEMS LIKE A BAD PLACE TO PUT IT.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME POCKETS HERE AND THERE WHERE YOU CAN, WHERE IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE DEPENDING ON, BUT IT'S REALLY, THOSE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS ARE PRETTY NUANCED WHEN IT COMES TO WHERE YOU PUT THEM.

SO THEY MAY BE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT TYPICAL.

THE HEADING OF THIS PAGE IS PREFERRED USES.

THEY PULLED THAT I ANTICIPATE FROM THE EXISTING COMP PLAN, WHICH AS A REGIONAL NODE, WHICH IS THE STRIP OF ON EACH SIDE OF 35 CC AND NC ARE RECOMMENDED.

WELL, THEY SHOULDN'T BE.

I I MEAN AT LEAST HERE WE SHOULD NOT RECOMMEND CC AND NC AND I DON'T, I'M NOT EVEN SURE ABOUT OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL.

I DON'T THINK THAT EITHER, BUT I DON'T EVEN SURE WHERE THAT IS, BUT I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT EITHER.

OH, ON 35 OFFICE HOURS IN CORPORATE CAMPUSES.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

UM, BUT NO, THOSE SHOULD BE GONE.

WE SHOULD NOT PUT THOSE RECOMMENDED IN THE I 35 CORRIDOR.

THERE ARE AREAS PROBABLY MORE AKIN TO SMALLER SCALE LOTS, LIKE, UM, WHERE THEY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON, I I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE WRONG, I'M SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T BE RECOMMENDED MAYBE CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

I MEAN THESE SHOULD NOT BE PREFERRED.

THESE SHOULD NOT BE PREFERRED.

THIS SHOULD, UM, I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE COULD BE A ONE OFF WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.

I I STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT ONE OFF FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WOULD MAKE SENSE ON I 35.

I DON'T EVEN, THERE'S A ONE OFF FOR THAT.

MAYBE THERE IS, BUT EITHER WAY THEY SHOULD

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NOT BE ON THIS LIST.

DOES ANYONE DISAGREE WITH ME ON THE, WHAT WOULD THEY ASK FOR CCD IF THEY COULD JUST GETS, WELL, SO I DON'T KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE.

HOLD ON.

SO LIKE I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

BUT WHEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS DOCUMENT AND BE LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH, LIKE, OH NO, I AGREE.

IT SHOULDN'T BE PREFERRED, IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE OR WHATEVER, BUT YEAH, IT SHOULDN'T BE PREFERRED CUZ WHY AGAIN, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY GO FOR CCD ANYWAYS? OKAY, HOLD ON.

I'M GIVE IT BACK TO WILL UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS A COMMON ON.

WILL I'M SORRY.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

SO OLD HIGHWAY 81, SOUTH OLD HIGHWAY 81.

IT IS IN THE REGIONAL NOTE BUT IS NOT ON 35.

IT IS, IT'S A, IT IS A SECONDARY HIGHWAY TECHNICALLY.

AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, SOMEONE AT ONE POINT HAD REQUESTED TO REZONE A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE ON A SUPER SMALL LOT TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO DO A SALON THERE AND FIT PERFECTLY.

SO IT IT'S, IT'S A ONE OFF.

IT'S NOT OFTEN.

OKAY, SO FINE.

I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID ABOUT THERE WOULDN'T EVEN BE A ONE OFF.

THERE COULD BE A ONE OFF, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THIS IS NOT A PREFERRED USE.

THIS IS AN UN PREFERRED USE.

I THE OPPOSITE OF PREFERRED.

I WOULD PREFER ANYTHING BUT THAT.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S FINE.

YOU KNOW, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT CAN MAKE SENSE.

UH, RETAIL SERVICES CAN MAKE SENSE.

NO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL END.

DOES ANYONE DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THOSE SHOULD BE STRICKEN FROM THAT LIST? NOPE.

YOU WANNA REMOVE COMPLETELY OR FROM PREFERRED USES ON I 35 4 DOOR? YES.

WELL WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST IT AND MAKE IT CONDITIONAL, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S FINE.

THEY'RE NOT PREFERRED.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

IT CAN BE CONDITIONAL.

YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF THINGS CONDITIONAL BUT DON'T PREFER IT.

CAUSE I, I MEAN AT LEAST HERE I'M THINKING THE PREFERRED AS RECOMMENDED OR WE AGREED THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE PRETTY SYNONYMOUS.

SO NOT RECOMMENDED.

OKAY, GOOD.

AT LEAST WE GOT SOMETHING.

UH, PAGE 29, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT NOW, YEAH.

THERE, I WAS TALKING TO A CYCLIST AND THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE IT, UM, MORE MANAGEABLE FOR BOTH PARTIES.

IT'S THIS, UM, THIS IS ME TALKING AS A CITIZEN WHO DRIVES A VEHICLE.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M GOING BACK TO THE YEAH, YOU KEEP TALKING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN PARKING THING.

JUST GENERALLY AND OKAY.

AS A PERSON WHO DRIVES A VEHICLE, UM, I ABSOLUTELY HATE THAT THING THAT SEPARATES THE CAR FROM THE BIKE.

LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS ON SLAUGHTER.

IF YOU DRIVE DOWN SLAUGHTER, YOU, YOU HAVE THIS AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR LANE AND, AND YOU'RE TURNING INTO A BUSINESS, YOU ACCIDENTALLY CLIP IT A LITTLE BIT.

YOU'RE GONNA HIT THAT THING AND YOU KNOW, YOU, THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO MY VEHICLE, THIS HAPPENED TO MY VEHICLE ON SLI, WE TAKE IT TO, UH, DISCOUNTS HIRED HERE IN KYLE AND WE TELL HIM WHAT HAPPENED.

HE'S LIKE, OH YEAH, NO, I I HAD LIKE THE GUY JUST, ITS ONE INDIVIDUAL TALKING TO YOU.

HE'S LIKE, NO, I'VE HAD LIKE THREE VEHICLES FROM THAT EXACTLY THIS WEEK.

AND LIKE IN KYLE, IT'S, WELL, LIKE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE IN AUSTIN HAVE MESSED UP CARS BECAUSE OF IT, BUT IT'S HAPPENING.

AND I DO NOT THINK A LARGE BIKE LANE IS FINE.

I MEAN, AS A JUST AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

I'M NOT REALLY TALKING TO YOU AS A COMMISSIONER AT THE MOMENT.

JUST, I HATE THOSE THINGS AND I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THEM IN COTTON.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE LIKES THEM.

WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE AS A ALTERNATIVE? I MEAN THE LARGER BY PLANE ITSELF SHOULD ALREADY, SHOULD ALREADY GIVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A BUFFER.

UM, OR YOU OR THE PICTURE ABOVE.

CAN YOU GO TO THE PAGE ABOVE IN 28? UH, UH, UH, UM, THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING AREA THAT IS NEXT TO THE BIKE LANE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING, BUT JUST STICKING IT RIGHT WHERE THE LANE IS AND IT, YOU CAN'T SEE IT THAT WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE END AND YOU'RE TURNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT CONTINUES ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, YOU SHOULD TALK TO PEOPLE THAT, THAT DEAL WITH WHEELS AND TIRES AND HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM THIS HAS BEEN EVEN JUST IN SOUTH AUSTIN.

UM, I, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE HEADACHES FOR OUR RESIDENTS THEN IT WILL CAUSE BENEFIT TO OUR RESIDENTS.

SO THERE ARE, SO WE HAVE A RE IT MAY NOT BE OBVIOUS, BUT THERE'S A RELATIVELY LARGE VIKING COMMUNITY IN CYCLING COMMUNITY.

MOSTLY THEY USE OLD STAGE COACH ROAD.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE, THE MOST TRAVELED ROAD BETWEEN AUSTIN AND SAM MARCUS FOR THE CYCLING COMMUNITY.

BUT

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SO YOU CAN GET LIKE A, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FULL ON SIX INCH HIGH CURVE.

IT CAN BE A TWO OR THREE INCHES HIGH JUST ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU'RE, YOU FEEL IT WHEN YOU BRUSH AGAINST IT WITH YOUR CAR AND IT MAKES YOU BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT.

AND EVEN THAT IS WAY BETTER THAN JUST HAVING NO BARRIER SEPARATING.

I I, THAT'S FINE.

I, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, OUT OF EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THIS IS THING I'M MOST PASSIONATE ABOUT.

THIS IS WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST.

I DO NOT WANT TO DRIVE DOWN THIS ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S THERE.

UM, BUT YES, NO, THAT'S FINE.

I, I WOULD SAY YES, TALK TO THE BIKE COMMUNITY DEVICE LIST, TALK TO THEM.

I WOULD ALSO TALK TO PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY AND SEE WHAT THESE KIND OF THINGS DO TO VEHICLES.

AND SO I I I'M JUST SAYING WE, WE, WE DO THIS NOW WE THINK, OH, IT'S GREAT TO PROTECT THOSE BICYCLISTS, BUT I'M, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RESIDENTS REACHING OUT TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY HATE THESE THINGS ONCE THEY'RE IN PLACE.

IT'S EASIER TO SCREW THE TIRE THAN RUNNING OVER A BICYCLIST.

AND THAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

BUT I CAN SEE A BICYCLIST WHEN I'M TURNING, I CAN'T SEE THAT THING RIGHT IN THE, AND AND SO IF, IF THEY, IT'S A TRADE OFF.

BUT I THINK WE ARE GONNA CAUSE MORE PEOPLE TO BE UPSET THAN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE HELPED THROUGH THIS.

I, I VERY MUCH LIKE, I ABSOLUTELY STAY AWAY FROM SLAUGHTER NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED ONCE TO MY VEHICLE AND THAT SAYS WHAT IS, AND SO I JUST, WELL, I STAY AWAY FROM RIDING MY BIKE.

I HAVE A BIKE.

I LIVE JUST OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN KYLE AND I DON'T RIDE MY BIKE ANYWHERE, KYLE, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL SAFE.

I RIDE MY BIKE TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE, WHICH IS LIKE A TWO MINUTE BIKE RIGHT AWAY.

AND I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA DIE EVERY TIME.

SO I WOULD LOVE HAVING SOMETHING, I LOVE HAVING THE, SOME KIND OF BARRIER ON THE ROAD WHERE I FELT LIKE WILL WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD FEEL THEIR TIRES KIND OF START TO HIT A LITTLE, A LITTLE LIP ON THE ROAD.

ANYTHING WOULD MAKE ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAN HAVING NOTHING.

A AND A LOT OF THE VIBE TRAIL THINGS WE HAVE IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN GIVE PEOPLE MORE OPTIONS TO RIDE THEIR BIKES.

I'M JUST SAYING THIS WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE ON THIS DOCUMENT, I AM AGAINST IT.

IF WE CAN FIND A MIDDLE GROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE, BUT I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS.

I I DO NOT WANT BURSON TO LOOK LIKE THAT.

SO THIS IS ON BURS IN IT'S ALSO 12 FEET WIDE.

WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I BROUGHT THIS UP VERY EARLY ON IN THE BEGINNING AND I ASKED THAT WE SHOW A KIND OF A MAP AND WE'LL POINT IT OUT THAT IT WOULD BE A PLAN ADVANCED WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DO THAT.

AND THAT PERHAPS THAT'S THE TIME THAT WE WOULD EXAMINE HOW THAT SEPARATION WOULD HAPPEN AND, AND MAKE OUR INPUTS.

I MEAN THIS AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS GUIDANCE, THIS IS AN ACTUAL, UM, IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL PLAN AS FOR MY PART.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING WE WANT ON IN THIS AREA.

AND IT'S, I, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I KNOW WE, WE DISAGREE ON THIS, BUT I DO NOT WANT THIS THING.

SO THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

I'D LIKE TO CLOSE AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE PLAN, AND WE'LL PUT IT TO THE VOTE THAT, UH, WE CHANGE THIS SO THAT IT'S NOT A PHYSICAL BARRIER, IT'S A PAINTED LINE THAT SATISFY YOUR WELL, IT WOULD SATISFY ME.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT WOULD SATISFY THE OTHER MEMBERS OF, THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING IT TO A BOOK.

SO, HOLD ON.

WE AREN'T QUITE THERE YET.

UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN, WE'LL GET THERE FROM ACTION.

WAIT, HE HAS MADE A MOTION.

UM, CAN, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO RESEND YOUR MOTION JUST FOR A MOMENT? OH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION.

YOU'RE JUST HAVING OPEN DISCUSSION.

ANYWAY, WE'RE TAKING MOTION.

WE CAN GET THERE WHEN I GET THERE.

A FEW MORE ITEMS. UM, OKAY.

I MEAN, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO GET PEOPLE UPSET.

GREEN PAINT OR WHATEVER, WE WANT TO PAINT IT THAT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, PER VIKING STANDARDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, STANDARDS THAT IF, IF THERE'S NOT A, EVEN JUST THE SLIGHTEST PHYSICAL BARRIER BETWEEN THE, THE DRIVE LANE OF THE, OF THE CARS AND THE BIKE LANE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA IGNORE IT AND PARK THERE.

THERE'S AB ANY PLAN THAT COMES FORWARD, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE UPSET.

THIS IS GOING.

YEAH, NO, I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING SPECIFIC.

SO MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT IF IT'S JUST A PAINTED BIKE LANE, WHICH IS GOOD,

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THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE IN IT, THEY'RE GONNA SWERVE INTO IT A LOT, LIKE, AND NOT PAY ATTENTION AS MUCH.

SO IT EVEN VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO LIKE A RUMBLE STRIP WHEN YOU HIT THE, WHEN YOU HIT THE SHOULDER, IF YOU'RE DRIVING THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, IT WAKES YOU UP.

SOMETHING LIKE SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THAT IDEA, BUT, BUT JUST SLIGHTLY RAISED IS, IS FAR BETTER THAN, WELL, IT'S DEBAT, IT'S FAR BETTER, BUT IT'S, IT MAY SOLVE THAT QUESTION, IN MY OPINION.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO AND SO, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SOLVE THIS TODAY, BUT I, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY COUNCIL LISTENING, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M YEAH.

THAT I'M DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT.

UH, OKAY.

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I THINK I'M, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE COVERED ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE, SO I'M JUST GONNA LET IT GO WITH THIS.

PAGE 36, PLEASE.

UH, RETAIL SIGNAGE, A COMPREHENSIVE COORDINATED SIGNAGE PROGRAM SHALL BE PREPARED AND SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ARCHITECT SLASH PZ FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

THAT SOUNDS WRONG.

WE DON'T DO THAT, DO WE? SO, STAFF REVIEWS THE SIGNAGE BASED ON THE CODE AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT THERE'S A TIGHTER CONTROL OVER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHETHER IT'S BOTH, UM, ARCHITECTURE, SIGNAGE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT, SO IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE PROCESS PERMITS, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THERE ALSO STILL NEEDS TO HAVE, THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE RE REQUIREMENTS.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, POLITICALLY, THE SIGN CODE IS A LOT OF FUN.

SO WE DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL.

I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH SIGNS PERSONALLY.

LIKE, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD CHANGE THAT BEFORE I, SO I MEAN, PUTTING IN THIS DOCUMENT MEANS THAT WE WOULD, WE'RE THEN SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA WANT TO CHANGE THAT PROCESS.

WHAT THE SHARP AND I AM NOW RETRACTING WHAT I SAID, UH, THIS ESSENTIALLY TO ME NOW READS THAT Y'ALL COME UP WITH THIS PLAN, Y'ALL SUBMIT IT TO US.

SO LEADING OUT OF THIS DOCUMENT, I DON'T, DOES IT EVEN HAVE TO SAY WHO THEY SUBMITTED TO? SO JUST SAY THAT THEY SUBMITTED, I MIGHT BE WRONG ON THIS, BUT MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS IS BASICALLY CHANGING OUR SIGNED CODE AND NOT NECESSARILY HOW PERMITS ARE PROCESSED.

SO LIKE CHANGING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SIGNAGE? YEAH.

TO BE WELL, CITY ARCHITECT SLASH PZ TO BE THE REVIEW OR APPROVAL.

SO YOU'D BE CHANGING, CHANGING WHATEVER THE CODE, I'M ASSUMING THE CURRENTLY STAYS AT STAFF OR, OR IS THAT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW? YEAH, THE, THE QUESTION.

SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS JUST GENERALLY RIGHT NOW FOR THE MARKETS.

THE, HOW PEOPLE VIEW SIGNAGE IS CHANGING.

WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF THOSE.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE BIG ROOFTOP SIGNAGE IS SUPER POPULAR.

IT'S REALLY COOL IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THE CITY MAY NOT WANT TO.

WE DON'T KNOW.

UM, AND SO WE DON'T ALLOW THAT.

AND OUR, OUR SIGN CODE IS, IS EXTREMELY CONVOLUTED AND COMPLICATED AND YOU SPEND, YOU WANNA PULL YOUR HAIR OUT.

SO, UM, BUT WE HAVE TO, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND IT'S TO CHANGE THE CODE AS A SIGN CODE CAN BE FUN, A POLITICAL STANDPOINT TOO.

SO IF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, IF IT'S NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE SIGN CODE FOR IN DOWNTOWN TO MAKE IT MORE IN KEEPING WITH PEDESTRIAN DESIGN AND, AND LESS AUTOCENTRIC WHERE YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE, OR PEOPLE JUST CONTROL DOWN THE, THE, THE SIDEWALK AND HAVE PLENTY LIKE A MINUTE TO SEE THE SIGN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

MAYBE.

SO I JUST REREAD THIS ABOUT FIVE TIMES CUZ

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WE SAY, YES, THAT'S A GOOD PLAN, GO FORWARD, BE HAPPY.

NOT WE'RE APPROVING SIGNAGE.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

IT'S, IT'S A CODE AMENDMENT TO THE SIGN CODE THAT WE PREPARE THAT YOU ARE PREPARING, BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE, AND THEN WE STILL PROCESS PERMITS.

I'M ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD WITH THAT.

I'M SORRY.

MAYBE IT'S THE HOUR RIGHT? MY HEAD.

SO THEY PREPARE IT, THEY SUBMIT IT TO US.

IT'S A GOOD WE CODE AMENDMENT IS WHAT IT'S GETTING.

THEY'RE GONNA PREPARE CODE.

THE CURRENT SIGNED POLICY IS BROKEN, SO THEY'RE GONNA FIX THE CURRENT SIGN POLICY POLICY.

THERE'S NUANCE TO THE STATES.

IT STILL, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY COUNCIL DOES HAVE COMPREHENSIVE COORDINATED SCIENCE PROGRAM, SHALL BE OH, I I UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE SKIPPED OVER THE SHALL BE PREPARED.

AND I SAID PROGRAM SUBMITTED TO, OH NO, I DON'T WAIT.

BUT SHOULD, SHOULD THAT BE HERE IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT SO PROBABLY REPLACED WITH THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER AMENDING THE SIGN CODE.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

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I MEAN, IF Y'ALL WANNA DEAL WITH SIGN PROOF, BUT EVEN THAT, I MEAN LIKE, LIKE YES, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO THAT.

BUT SHOULD THAT BE IN THIS DOCUMENT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

SHOULD, SHOULD THE DOCUMENT SAY, HEY CITY, YOU SHOULD REALLY REVIEW THIS.

I I THINK THE WORDING HE PROPOSED KIND OF HINTS, LIKE WITH THE ADOPTION OF THIS DOCUMENT, THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER.

EVERYTHING ELSE I HAD, WE KIND OF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SO I, I THINK I AM DONE.

UM, NOW WE'VE REACHED THE POINTS.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF FUN TALKING ABOUT VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS, BUT WHAT DO WE DO NOW IS THE QUESTION BECAUSE MAY I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY.

ESTABLISHED DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.

COMMISSIONER STEEL, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YES, I I AND SUPPORTING WHAT I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO, WHICH IS WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS PAGE TWO, WHICH IS HOW THE SAUSAGE GETS MADE.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO IN OUR BOWL HERE.

FROM THIS POINT ON, UH, I'M, I'M GOING TO PRETEND I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO, BUT, UM, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THAT AND HOW WE'RE TAGGED IN THIS THING.

UM, WE ALREADY DO THAT WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE STATE LAW AND THE CODES THAT EXIST.

UM, ARE THEY SUGGESTING THAT THEN WE HAVE A SPECIAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THIS DOWNTOWN, UH, MODERNIZATION PROGRAM AND THE CODIFICATION? I WOULD HAVE SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT NECESSARY ZONING REVISIONS.

WELL, UH, IS THAT PART OF THE DEAL RIGHT NOW? OTHER, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING GOING FORWARD.

HOW MUCH REVISION WOULD WE BE TALKING? BUT ANYWAY, I, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT'S OUR PARTICIPATION FROM THIS POINT ON? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION HERE IS THERE, WE'RE ALREADY IN PRETTY DEEP WITH JUST DISCUSSING THIS PLAN TONIGHT AND IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT AND THAT'S OKAY.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSING DISTRACTORS IN HERE ABOUT THE I 35 CORRIDOR AND OTHER PARTS OF TOWN AND THE TRAILS THAT REALLY DON'T BEAR ON THIS CENTRAL DIS DISTRICT.

AND I THINK THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH CONFUSION.

I DON'T WANT THAT CONFUSION TO OVERSHADOW WHAT WE DO IN THIS PROCESS FROM HERE ON OUT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE COULD BE A LOT MORE CONFUSION AND PAIN AND SUFFERING, UM, AROUND THAT IF THERE IS CONFUSION.

SO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS, I MEAN, THE ITEM ITSELF, THE ITEM THAT IS BEFORE US IS CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROPOSED DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

SO THE QUESTION WE HAVE NOW IN FRONT OF US IS, DO WE WANT TO RECOMMEND THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL? THAT IS THE QUESTION AT THE MOMENT.

YEAH, THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

MR. ATKINSON? YES.

SO THAT IS THE QUESTION, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE OR RECOMMEND CHANGING, THOSE NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE MOTION.

IN THE MOTION.

SO WHAT I AM, IT'S A LOT.

I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THAT.

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YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT THE FIRST, THE FIRST TIME IT CAME UP.

WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY.

IS IT READY TO GO TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK? IS THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO DETERMINE IT'S GOING TO COUNSEL NO MATTER WHAT.

IS IT, IS IT GOING TO COUNSEL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION? YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION? NOT WELL, WE'RE GETTING THAT POINT OF THE DAY WHERE SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION.

BUT, UH, BUT A MOTION TO RECOMMEND OR MOTION NOT TO RECOMMEND, I GUESS.

AND THEN WITH AMENDMENTS OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS, UH, OR YEAH.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, HERE, IF I MAY, OKAY.

I CAN GIVE YOU A BULLET POINT BY BULLET POINT, WHAT I'VE WRITTEN DOWN AS NOTES, AND THEN IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF IT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED, AND THEN AT THE END, AND I'LL CONFIRM THAT WITH Y'ALL, AND THEN WE COULD SAY, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS DOCUMENT WITH THESE RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

ARE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? SO THAT'S THE QUESTION.

UM, WOULD WE RECOMMEND THIS DOCUMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE SPECIFIC ITEMS WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY? IF THOSE THINGS WERE CHANGED IN THE WAY THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT THEM TODAY, WOULD WE RECOMMEND THIS ITEM? OR DO WE THINK IT'S NOT READY OR JUST NO TO THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL? YEAH, I, MY MY COMMENT IS THAT WE'RE NOT FOR ME.

I'M NOT IN A SPOT WHERE I CAN RECOMMEND THIS DOCUMENT EVEN WITH, WITH THE CHANGES.

CAUSE I NEED TO SEE THE CHANGES IN THE DOCUMENT BEFORE I WOULD SEND IT ANY TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION OF, WITH THE AMOUNT OF CHANGES WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED FOR.

THAT'S FAIR.

THAT'S, THAT'S, I I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY WAY TO HOLD ON.

WILL, UH, COMMISSIONER STEGEL, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YOUR HAND WAS RAISED? WELL, UM, YES.

I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER CHASE HAS JUST SAID.

UH, HE BEGAN THE EVENING VIRTUALLY BY SAYING, WHAT'S THE HURRY? AND I KNOW THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME PRESSURE ON THE OTHER END HERE FROM COUNCIL TO GET THIS DONE, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, BUT I WOULD HATE TO SHOOT FROM THE HIP HERE AND JUST SEND, UM, THIS TO COUNCIL WHEN THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE DO QUESTION.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD WANT TO PUT SOME STIPULATIONS IN HERE AND, AND RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

UM, BUT WE, TO BE HONEST, UM, CAN WE DO THAT TONIGHT? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN PRACTICALLY CONSIDERABLE FOR THIS EVENING? WELL, WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ALONG THAT LINES.

SO I KNOW, I REMEMBER WITH THE COMP PLAN, THE COUNCIL PRETTY MUCH DECIDED THAT WE, THAT P AND Z WAS KIND OF THE FRONT, AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE.

WAS IT THE SAME THING WITH THE DOWN? LIKE, LIKE, DOES, DOES COUNCIL WANT FOR US TO WORK THESE DETAILS OUT BEFORE IT GETS TO THEM? SO THE CHARTER SAYS THAT THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND THIS IS WITHOUT QUESTION, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND THEN THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT IS PART OF YOUR DUTY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IF THAT IS WHAT YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO.

UM, IT IS MY OPINION THAT COUNSEL WILL APPRECIATE GENERALLY THE, THE, THE AMENDMENTS THAT, OR THE ISSUES THAT Y'ALL ARE RAISING.

AND SO IF, IF Y'ALL, IF YOU DO NOT THINK IT'S READY AND IT NEEDS TO BE, WELL, HERE'S THE PROBLEM, HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES, RIGHT? SO COUNCIL DID NOT DICTATE THAT THE PLANNING ATTORNEY COMMISSION WAS GOING TO BE HANDLING THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN SPECIFIC.

TO CITY COUNCIL TO NOT APPROVE THE PLAN IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

SO, OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WE, WE, WE, WE COULD RECOMMEND TO APPROVE, WE CAN RECOMMEND TO DENY, WE CAN RECOMMEND TO MAKE BLANK CHANGES.

SO YOU JUST KIND OF SEALED IT FOR ME ON NUMBER TWO.

SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND

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THAT IS MY MOTION.

IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NO DIRECTION.

HOLD ON.

YOU MADE A MOTION.

SORRY.

A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY VICE CHAIR SHEA, SECONDED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER DOLO.

WE'VE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR WILL, I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I THOUGHT I GONNA CUT YOU OFF.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? SO IF WE, IF WE DON'T RECOMMEND IT TODAY, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, THEY STILL GET CONSIDERED AND INTEGRATED OR THEY, IT JUST STOPS HERE.

LET ME PULL UP THE CHART AND DOUBLE CHECK TELL YOU THE WRONG ANSWER.

I MEAN, I BELIEVE IT'S STILL A RECOMMENDATION VOTE AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

THAT WILL DEPEND ON THE COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE COUNCIL TAKES OUR A RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE IN THIS CURRENT FORM, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE WATCHING THIS MEETING, THEY, THEY COULD VERY WELL KICK IT BACK TO US, I WOULD THINK, TO KEEP WORKING THESE THINGS OUT.

OR THEY COULD DECIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT FROM HERE.

A AND TO EXPLAIN THE, THE MOTION AND, AND WHY I, I WANT THAT ROUTE WAS EXACTLY WHAT WILL SAID THERE AT THE VERY END, WHICH IS COUNCIL DID NOT DIRECT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS DOCUMENT.

SO WE'RE BILL'S VERY GOOD AT, AT MAKING SURE THAT COUNSEL UNDERSTANDS OUR COMMENTS.

AND IT'LL PROBABLY BE IN THIS, I'M ASSUMING ALL OF THIS WILL BE IN THE STAFF REPORT, PARTS OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND, AND COUNSEL WILL NOT.

BUT THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MY, MY MOTION.

YEAH, WE NEED MORE TIME.

YEP.

SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE A, MM-HMM.

, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

IF I, SO HERE'S WHAT SECTION 10.03 SAYS FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADOPTION AND AMENDMENT.

UM, A DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND COMMISSION, WHICH SHALL HOLD A MINIMUM TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SUCH A PLAN AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT AMENDMENTS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL THEN FORWARD THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ELEMENT OR PORTION THEREOF TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO SHALL THEN THERE, UM, SUBMIT SUCH A PLAN OR ELEMENT OR PORTION THEREOF TO THE COUNCIL, THE PLANNING, COMMISSIONS AND CITY MANAGERS RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'RE ON.

IF THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS NOT BEEN ADOPTED WITH THE TWO YEARS FROM THE EFFECTIVE, THE DATE OF THE SHUTTER PROPOSED PLAINTIFFS AND THEN EXISTS BECOME THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE.

SO YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT APPROVE IT, RULE WITH AMENDMENTS, PROVE IT.

IF YOU BLACK IT OUT, IT IS, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY.

NOW, THE COUNCIL THEN MAY ADOPT OR ADOPT WITH CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS TO PROPOSE COMP PLAN OR ANY ELEMENT OF PORTION AFTER ONE OR MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND THEY HAVE TO, WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF, IF WE WERE TO VOTE TO APPROVE WITH AMENDMENTS, WOULD EACH OF THOSE AMENDMENTS BE LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR THE COUNCIL? COULD WE SAY C STAFF? OH, OKAY.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

OH, SORRY.

I WAS PRACTICALLY THINKING THROUGH THE SITUATION.

SO COUNCIL CAN ALSO, UM, RETURN SUCH THE PLAN TO THE PLANNING IS ON COMMISSION FOR WITH DIRECTION TO MODIFY IT AS WELL.

SO WE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

UM, NOW WE CAN VOTE TO PASS THAT MOTION.

AND, AND, AND THEN WE WOULD TELL THE COUNCIL, WE DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU PASS THIS IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

OR IF YOU DO VOTE AGAINST THE MOTION, THEN A NEW MOTION COULD BE MADE IF SOMEONE WANTED TO MAKE THE MOTION.

OR I GUESS YOU COULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO CHANGE THE MOTION TOO.

BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

LIKE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL NOT PASS IT AS, AS IN A CURRENT FORM.

IF THAT MOTION WERE TO FAIL, A NEW MOTION COULD BE MADE, SHOULD, WILL NEED TO BE MADE AFTER THAT.

IF THAT MOTION PASSES, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE COUNCIL DOES NOT ADOPT THIS IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WAS THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WAS YOUR MOTION, CORRECT? YEAH.

DO NOT, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TO NOT, FOR THEM NOT TO APPROVE, APPROVE IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

WOULD WE RECOMMEND, AND I'M AMENABLE IF PLEASE, MY SECOND IS AMENABLE, UM, TO CHANGING IT TO, TO ALSO RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL SENDING THE DOCUMENT BACK TO, TO PLANNING FOR FURTHER REVIEW.

UH, ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE WANT ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY? DO WE, DO WE WANT TO SEE THIS DOCUMENT?

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SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THE QUESTION, THIS VOTE.

DO WE WANT TO SAY PLEASE SEND IT BACK TO US? OR DO WE WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN BACK THIS ITEM AS LONG AS THE LIST OF 20 OR HOWEVER MANY AMENDMENTS ARE MADE.

UH, UH, UH, UM, IF THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE MADE, WILL WE STILL NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF COUNTS OF PASSING IT? I THINK IT'S ON THE DISCUSSION HERE.

I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST THOSE AMENDMENTS.

THE WHOLE, THE TONE OF IT.

IT'S, IT'S MIXED TENSES WITH SHALLOW AND SHOULD AND PERMITTED AND THAT IT'S ALSO, UM, GOT SOME OVERREACH RATHER THAN JUST THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO I THINK IT NEEDS A REWRITE, NOT JUST, OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? ALL RIGHT, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS VOTE IS GOING IF, AND I VOTE MEANS YOU RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL, THEY NOT APPROVE THIS AND I'M SORRY.

UH, AND THAT THEY RETURN IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO, TO CONTINUE TO WORK.

HE'S CHANGING HIS MOTION TO BE THAT THAT COUNCIL NOT APPROVE APPRO ITS CURRENT FORM.

AND THEY RE I'M SORRY.

AND THEY SEND IT BACK TO P AND Z FOR, I'M SORRY, WHAT? FOR FURTHER AMENDMENTS.

FOR, FOR REVIEW.

AND THEN THE SECOND WAS THE LORI.

AND I'LL SECOND THAT CHANGES.

ARE, ARE, ARE WE GOOD ON THAT END AS FAR AS CHANGING OF THE MOTION WE ALL AGREE ON? OKAY, GOOD.

UH, UH, YES.

MARTHA? YES.

ARE WE GOING, IF ALL THIS GETS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, SURE.

WE'LL SEND BACK WE WORK.

ARE WE GONNA WORK ON IT LIKE IN THE SAME FORMAT OR ARE, ARE WE GOING TO WORK WITH THE FOLKS THAT PUT THE, THAT DRAFT OF THE COMPANY'S PLAN? I DON'T KNOW.

I REALLY WANNA HEAR WHAT, WHAT VERITY HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, ABOUT A WORKSHOP.

CAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS IS GONNA AFFECT, RIGHT? THEY'RE THEY'RE STILL IN EARLY.

WE'RE, WE'RE STILL DOING SURVEYS FROM THEIR SIDE OF THINGS.

SO I I LIKE VIRGINITY AND, AND, AND, AND I DO NOT WANT TO HANDCUFF THEM.

NO, I AGREE WITH, WITH THIS DOCUMENT.

AND SO, UH, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT IF IT'S SENT BACK TO US AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT, WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT HOW WE NEED TO, I THINK.

RIGHT? SO, SO, UH, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL IF THEY WANNA DO THAT OR NOT.

THAT THAT WILL BE THEIR CHOICE.

SEND IT BACK TO US OR NOT.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, GENERAL DISCUSSION FOR A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. I HAVE ONE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYONE HAS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? UH, WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR A ROLL CALL.

VOTE.

WE'RE GOOD? OKAY.

CAN WE ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.

DOLO? UH, MARTHA? AYE.

[4. GENERAL DISCUSSION]

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ONE? ALL RIGHT.

SO YES, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THAT.

UM, AND AT A FUTURE AGENDA FOR PZ, WE, DO YOU, YOU JUST WANT THE CODE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK IT OVER OR DO YOU WANT A HISTORY THAT THE PLANNERS ARE TAUGHT AND WHY MINIMUM LOT SIZES EXIST HISTORICALLY OVER THE LAST CENTURY? LIKE WHAT DO YOU UM, WELL I WANT THE CODE THAT WE HAVE.

AND, AND I MEAN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE THAT, THAT'S FINE.

UM, I'M TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WELL WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOU.

THAT IS UP TO YOU ALL YOUR STAFF.

I'M SURE YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT.

OR EVEN THE PEOPLE ABOVE YOU MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE DIRECTION AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DISCUSS AND SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO CHANGE SOMETHING, WHICH IS WHY IT SHOULD BE ON A FEATURE AGENDA BECAUSE WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT NOW.

CAUSE IT'S NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

IT MAY IN THIS SIGNIFICANT FUTURE BECAUSE VERITY'S RESULTS OF THE COMP PLAN MAY DICTATE HOW THAT

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ENDS UP WORKING OUT.

CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MASSIVE CODE AMENDMENT.

THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A MASSIVE CODE REWRITE AFTER THE COMP PLAN IS ADOPTED.

I THINK WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

WE, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

COUNCIL COUNCIL CAN VERY WELL SAY, NO, WE TALKED TO THE PLAN STUFF.

THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND COUNSEL CAN DO WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION AS THEY CHOOSE.

ARE THERE ANY COMMISSION MA? YEAH, I HAVE ONE.

UH, SO IT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP DURING THE, UH, THE CHURCH.

SO AS WE'RE MORE AND MORE DEVELOPMENTS ARE OCCURRED, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND ALL THAT, UH, GIVEN THE DROP THAT WE ARE IN AND PROBABLY ME AFRAID LONG, LONG TIME, UH, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, WHEN PROPOSING, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT VERSUS THE, UH, STANDARD, YOU KNOW, OH, WE GOTTA LAY DOWN TURF GRASS OR YOU KNOW, BERM, WHATEVER.

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHANGE OR, SO WE CAN REQUIRE NEW HOME STONE IN, OR IT'S A SORT OF PERCENTAGE OF ZERO ESCAPING OR MORE NATIVE VEGETATION, THAT TYPE OF THING, KIND OF THAT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, I WATER MORE GRASS TO KEEP IT ALIVE, SO I'M NOT FINE BY THE HOA, BUT YES, WE'RE WITHDRAW, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE WATER THAT'S KIND GOING, YES, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE A REVIEW OF OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND ORDINANCE.

AND THEN, UM, THERE'S DEF THERE'S ALSO A SECTION OF STATE LAW WHERE LIKE ALLOWING ZERO ESCAPING JUST STRAIGHT UP AS WELL.

SO STATE LAW, UM, ULTIMATELY DICTATES THAT OUR CODE FOLLOWS.

REVIEW WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES.

BUT YEAH, WE, WE CAN EVERYONE PROVIDE A IDEA THAT IS THAT SOMETHING BE PORT, LIKE SAY NEXT, UH, DEVELOPER COMES IN, YOU KNOW, HEY, WELL ACTUALLY GOTTA CHANGE IT UP.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOME TEETH TO IT? NOPE.

IF'S NOT ON THE ENDO.

WE SHOULD NO, NO, NO.

DON'T WANT DISCUSS.

I WANNA DISCUSS, I WANT TO ADD ON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION DURING THAT DISCUSSION IS ABOUT DRAINAGE EFFECTS OF DRAINAGE WHEN WITH ZERO GIVEN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION'S ON HAND WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING SOMETHING.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON FUTURE AGENDAS? OKAY, ITEM NUMBER

[5. STAFF REPORT]

FIVE.

STAFF REPORT.

UH, STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

WILL I CAN SEND CONSIDER RECORD PLANE FOR THE RECORD.

SO, UM, WE HAVE ON THURSDAY EVENING, UH, WE HAVE SANTA'S ARRIVAL.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BOOTH THERE AT THE, UH, EVENT FOR COMP PLAN, UH, TO GET ADDITIONAL SURVEYS OUT AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND DRUM UP SOME BUSINESS ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS.

UM, WE ARE GOING TO ALSO HAVE A, UH, ON THE 10TH ON SATURDAY THE 10TH AT THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING FROM NINE TO NOON, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, I ALWAYS GET THE NAME WRONG, COCO, COCO COMPREHENSIVE.

RIGHT? I KEEP TRYING TO CALL IT COFFEE COMPREHENSIVE, BUT YEAH.

COCO, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE BOTH.

BOTH, RIGHT.

SO COCOA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WHAT I WAS CALLING IT.

IT'S JUST A WAY TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE BOOTHS SET UP AND GET THEIR HANDWRITTEN RESPONSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHAT THEY WANNA SEE AS WELL.

HMM.

UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE 10TH.

AND THEN, UM, I'M SORRY, UH, FUTURE MEETINGS ASSUME THERE'S THE SECOND TUESDAY OF NEXT MONTH.

AND IS THAT THE ONLY WE PLAN NEXT ENOUGH? SO WE HAVE OUR DECEMBER 13TH.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT HERE.

YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO HAVE A MEETING ON THE 27TH.

RIGHT? SO JUST ONE MEETING FOR THE 10TH OF DECEMBER.

UM, YES.

OH.

UM, AND I MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT IF I HAVEN'T THEN I'LL MENTION IT NOW.

SO , WE ARE THE, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS A REVIEW OF OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES AND PER STATE LAW, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS THE ADVISORY BOARD THAT GETS TO

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AND SO, UM, EXPECT TO BE NOTIFIED THAT YOU'RE PART OF THAT BOARD OR THAT COMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL.

UH, THERE'S GONNA BE ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON ON IT WHO'S A RETIRED CIVIL ENGINEER WHO STILL HAS HIS LICENSE, WHO'S OUT IN THE ETJ, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AS WELL.

SO ANYTIME THERE'S GONNA BE CONSIDERATION OF THOSE, OF THE ADVISORY BOARD, IT'S GONNA BE TECHNICALLY TWO MEETINGS ON A TUESDAY, BUT ONE SPECIAL CALL AND ONE REGULAR MEETING.

SO IT'S GONNA BE A HANDFUL OF MEETINGS OVER THE COURSE, PROBABLY THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2023.

UH, AS A, AS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS STUFF READY FOR YOU, PROGRESS INTO THE PROJECT.

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, IMPACT FEES ARE, UH, REQUIRED FEES BASED ON, UH, WHEN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.

AND SO THEY, THEY CAUSE A STRAIN ON OUR WATER AND WASTE WATER CAPACITY AND SYSTEM.

SO THE FEES ARE PAID ON, UH, TO OFFSET THAT STRAIN TO BOLSTER OUR FACILITIES, TO APPROVE THEM WHAT HAVE, WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO EVERY FIVE YEARS THE CITY HAS TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.

SO, SO THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING JUST AS A HEADS UP.

SO, OKAY.

UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT.