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CITIZEN COMMENTS ITEM TWO, A CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS EARLY IN THE AGENDA OF OUR SPECIAL MEETINGS.
SPEAKERS ARE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTER CONCERNING CITY BUSINESS, AND THEY MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THOSE.
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THREE, CONSENT ITEM THREE, A BRICK AND MORTAR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SITE.PLAN SSD DASH TWO THREE DASH 0 2 0 1, 4 0.77 ACRES, ONE MIXED USE LOT LOCATED AT 4 0 3 0 SOUTH FM 1626.
WE REQUIRE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH A MOTION.
YES, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM CONSENT ITEM THREE A.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JAMES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHIELD.
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[Postponed 8/22/23 - 8/29/23 - 9/26/23] Consider and make a recommendation to City Council regarding a request by Pam Madere of Jackson Walker LLP, on behalf of the Caraway Cattle Company Family Partnership LLLP (Z-22-0110) to rezone approximately 101 acres to Planned Unit Development (PUD, to include approximately 72 acres of Retail Services Zoning ‘RS’ and approximately 29 acres Multifamily Apartments 3 ‘R-3-3’ for property located at 301 Bebee Road in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
ACTION ITEM FOUR A POSTPONED AUGUST 22ND, 23.
CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY PAM.
DEAR OF JACKSON, WALKER, L L P ON BEHALF OF THE CARAWAY CATTLE COMPANY FAMILY PARTNERSHIP, L L L P Z DASH 22 DASH 10 TO REZONE, APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT P U D TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 72 ACRES OF RETAIL SERVICES, ZONING RS AND APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS.
THREE R THREE THREE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 0 1 BB ROAD IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.
THERE IS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM THAT IS SCHEDULED TO CLOSE.
UH, AT TODAY'S MEETING, IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK, THEY MUST STATE THEIR NAME AND OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND, UH, STAFF.
WELL, I CAN SEND PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD AS I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO THE STAFF REPORT, UM, RECOMMENDS THAT Y'ALL TABLE THIS MOTION.
HOWEVER, AT THE TIME THAT WE POSTED THAT AGENDA, WE DIDN'T HAVE A, UH, ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE FOR A, THE ULTIMATE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, ANNEXATION, AND ALL THE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT ARE COMING ALONG WITH THAT.
AND NOW THAT WE DO THE NEW RECOMMENDATION FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE 1128 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND ALSO MAKE SURE YOU KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN PLEASE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR WILL GO AHEAD.
WILL THIS, THIS IS ALL COORDINATED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND ALL PARTIES INVOLVED? YES, SIR.
THEY COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
WE, WE ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS WITH THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME.
UM, CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT ALSO, UH, VOTED TO POSTPONE THEIR CONSIDERATION UNTIL THE 12 FIVE MEETING, WHICH IS THE WEEK AFTER 1128.
SO, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE MAKING A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS WITH ALL PARTIES AT THIS TIME.
WE ARE PRETTY, WE ARE FAIRLY CONFIDENT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A, A FINALIZED AGREEMENT SETTING ASIDE THAT THE, THE, THE OTHER, UH, UH, LEGISLATION DO WE HAVE A FINALIZED AGREEMENT ON TAX BREAKS AND SO FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPERS.
UM, IT'S A NOT, WE HAVE THE TERM SHEETS, BUT, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY WILL, UM, CONSIDER, UH, STARTING ON 12 FIVE AND POSSIBLY ALSO ON 1219 AS WELL.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TERMS FROM A, ANY SORT OF TERMS IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LIKE THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING CITY COUNCIL HAS.
UM, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO CONSIDER THOSE ULTIMATELY.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN ITSELF WILL NOT COME TO Y'ALL FROM A CONSIDERATION STANDPOINT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S THE CHANCES WOULD JUST BE DELAYED AGAIN.
BUT, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SOUNDING CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE SOMETHING THIS TIME? YES, SIR.
QUESTION, UM, IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IS THERE ANY NECESSITY FOR A P SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.
IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND DEVELOPER, IS THERE ANY NECESSITY FOR A P? YES, SIR.
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UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, UM, WHEN IT COMES BASED ARE SPLIT OUT FROM THE PLANE UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH IT BECAUSE OF STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS.UM, SO A BIG FOCUS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL BE ANY SPECIAL FINANCING THEY'RE GONNA BE CONSIDERED.
UM, ALSO, UM, ELEVATION APPROVALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE I 35 OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE INTO A, IN A, UH, A MUTUALLY AGREED UPON DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THEY'RE NOT VIOLATING STATE LAW.
AND SO THE PUT ITSELF WILL INCLUDE, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FROM SETBACKS AND PREVIOUS COVER.
UM, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE AT MINIMUM FOR THE RETAIL.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY UNITS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND WHAT HAVE YOU ON THERE.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SPECIFICS RELATED TO THAT, THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY, UM, THAT NEED TO BE SPECIFICALLY PUT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, WHAT HAS BEEN THE DISCUSSION AS REGARDS THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A PUD FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL PLAN? THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGES ON THAT PERSPECTIVE IS, UM, COORDINATING A, A PROJECT THAT FUNCTIONS BETTER OVERALL THAN OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE ALLOWS, UM, WITH, UH, WITH VARIANCES AND WAIVERS BUILT INTO THE PUD TO MAKE SURE IT HAS A SMOOTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS COMPARING WHAT, WHAT MIGHT BE IMAGINED FOR THIS TO ANOTHER PROJECT THEY HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PUT, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THEM, I SUPPOSE, UM, WHICH WAS UNIMPRESSIVE, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, REGARDING THE I 35 AND THE P, WOULD THEY BE, CAN THEY SEEK VARIANCES UNDER OUR CURRENT TERMS? CAN THEY SEEK A VARIANCE FROM I 35 OVERLAY? THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CONSIDER, UM, I'M NOT GONNA SAY VARIANCES, BUT MAYBE EXCEPTIONS AND CONDITIONS, UM, ON THE I 35 OVERLAY STANDARDS WHERE Y'ALL FE WHERE Y'ALL FEEL THE, UM, THE APPLICANT WHEN A C U P COMES TO Y'ALL, UH, MEETS THE INTENT, BUT DOESN'T QUITE MEET THOSE STANDARDS OR THEY'RE EXCEEDING 'EM.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT DOESN'T QUITE MEET WORD FOR WORD IN THE I 35 OVERLAY.
BUT WHEN THIS PROJECT COMES FORWARD, IF THERE'S ANY OF THOSE STANDARDS THAT ARE BUILT INTO IT, THEN THOSE WOULD POTENTIALLY SUPERSEDE THE, UM, THE I 35 OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO HISTORICALLY ON MY TIME IN THE COMMISSION, WE'VE USUALLY NOT HAD A NOV LA LAST WEEK OR A FOURTH ME OR FOURTH WEEK MEETING IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE OF ATTENDANCE WORRIES.
WHAT IS THE RATIONALE ON DOING IT AT THAT TIME VERSUS DOING IT, UM, AT THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER? OTHER THAN COUNSEL, THE GOAL IS, UM, BASED ON DIRECTION FROM OUR ADMINISTRATION, IS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS PROJECT FROM AN ENTITLEMENT PERSPECTIVE WRAPPED UP BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO, UM, WE WENT, WE BACKTRACKED FROM THERE FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE AND A SCHEDULING OF THOSE MEETINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE 28TH AND THEN THE FIFTH AND THE 19TH AT CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE HAD TO DO THAT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE MET THE, UH, WE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FROM GETTING ALL THE, OUR INTERNAL SCHEDULE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT KNOCKED OUT.
SO WE HAD A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.
SORRY, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, IF WE DON'T MEET QUORUM, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A RISKY TIME, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROJECT THEN? LIKE, THAT WOULD MOVE THE TIMELINE BACK TO WEEKS AUTOMATICALLY, BUT IT WOULD ALSO MOVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS BACK.
LIKE WOULD, WOULD IT STILL BE ABLE TO BE WRAPPED UP BY THE END OF THE YEAR? WOULD IT STILL BE ABLE TO BE WRAPPED UP BY THE END OF THE YEAR? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A, LIKE WE REALLY NEED TO BE HERE THE 4TH OF NOVEMBER BECAUSE THE FOURTH WEEK WEEKEND, NOVEMBER.
'CAUSE THIS IS A LIKE, MAKE OR BREAK DATE FOR US.
Y'ALL NEED TO, I NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE QUORUM ON THE 28TH.
WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE REPERCUSSIONS OF DENYING THE POSTPONEMENT AND VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT? EVERYTHING WE'D HAVE TO START OVER.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING.
WE'D HAVE TO RE-NOTICE EVERYTHING IN THE NEWSPAPER AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD THEN STILL BE BACK ON THE SAME DATES.
JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK
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AND GET IT TO Y'ALL BY THE 28TH.WELL, LUCKILY THE 28TH IS THE WEEK IS THE TUESDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP US OUT A BIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WILL? OKAY.
UM, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM.
MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM FOUR A I SECOND THE MOTION.
UM, MR. COMMISSIONER STEGEL, WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE DATE CERTAIN IN THE MOTION, PLEASE? 11 28 23 PLEASE.
DO YOU YOUR SECOND STILL? I SECOND THE MOTION.
OUR MOTION IS TO POSTPONE ITEM FOUR A TO THE NOVEMBER 28TH.
COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR OCON? UM, IS IT FOUR A OR IS IT, AM I LOOKING AT THE WRONG? MY APOLOGIES.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG ITEM.
UH, UM, OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION.
I ALREADY FORGOT WHO MADE THAT.
AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SERATO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? OKAY, COOL.
SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TO POSTPONE TO NOVEMBER 28TH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UM, I DO REALIZE THAT WE ALSO NEED TO EXTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THAT A SEPARATE MOTION OR CAN WE JUST SAY THAT WE'RE EXTENDING IT? LET'S, UH, PLEASE RESTATE THE MOTION WITH THE EXTENDING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM FOUR A TO THE NOVEMBER.
JUST REAL QUICK, WE HAVE TO RESEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
UM, SO YOU'LL NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER MM-HMM.
MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE PREVIOUS ORDER.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR DE LORI TO RESCIND THE MOTION, AND IT IS SECONDED BY EVERYONE, BUT I HEARD COMMISSIONER SHIELDS, SO WE'LL PUT HER DOWN.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
SO HE, WE, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM BECAUSE WE'D ALREADY VOTED, SO YOU CAN'T RESEND IT ONCE IT'S BEEN VOTED.
UM, SO THE MOTION SHOULD BE TO RECONSIDER, UM, THEN YOU CAN VOTE ONCE THAT PASSES, THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE EXTENSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE TABLING, UH, THE POSTPONING TO THE DATE, SIR.
I MOVE THAT WE RECONSIDER THE VOTE THAT WE TOOK ON ITEM FOUR.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FOUR A FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER JAMES AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SIEGEL.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO THAT CARRIES, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION NOW TO WE OF ORDER, IF WE'RE RECONSIDERING IT, YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMAKE THE MOTION.
IF, IF I'M CORRECT, WE JUST GO BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION.
UH, WELL, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN EITHER AMEND, WE WE'RE TRYING TO ADD THE KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
WE NEED TO, SO WE CAN AMEND THE, THE, THAT'S NOT A NEW MOTION OATH ONE, BUT SINCE IT'S WAS ACTUALLY A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, YOU CAN MAKE A NEW MOTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST GO INTO THE AMEND THE OLD ONE.
WHEN YOU'RE RECONSIDERING, YOU'RE BACK TO THE, BACK TO THE STARTING POINT.
PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE YOUR MOTION.
WE JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE, UH, POSTPONEMENT TO THE DATE CERTAIN AND THAT WE CLARIFY THE PUBLIC HEARING SHALL, SHALL MAINTAIN OPEN, SHALL BE MAINTAINED OPEN TO THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM FOUR A TO THE NOVEMBER 28TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, AND TO ALSO EXTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NOVEMBER 28TH MEETING.
SO MOTION BY MYSELF AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
SHE, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? PERFECT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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CARRIES.[A Discussion only regarding Planning and Zoning Commission request for future agenda items.
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A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY ITEMS TO BE REQUESTED? I GUESS NOT.
WELL, UM, BEFORE I HAVE AN ITEM TO IT, ADD, I WOULD'VE A QUESTION.
UH, WE MADE A LIST LIKE ABOUT APRIL, UH, ABOUT DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT WE WANTED TO KINDA DO.
ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT LIST AND ARE WE PICKING, DO WE WANT TO PICK IT BACK UP WITH THE NEW COUNCIL? OR HOW DO WE WANNA DO IT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, WE, THE LAST THING WE WERE WORKING ON WAS BASED ON DIRECTION FROM Y'ALL, WAS THE LOOKING AT THE AM X D ZONING DISTRICT MM-HMM.
UM, WE HAVE NOT MADE MUCH PROGRESS ON IN COORDINATING WITH, UH, ARCHITECTS ON THE SIDE.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD TO DELAY IT JUST A LITTLE BIT BASED ON OTHER PRIORITIES, UM, FOR THIS, UH, ITEM FOUR, A BEING ONE OF THEM.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
UM, IT IS NOT A BAD IDEA TO WAIT, IN MY OPINION, ON THE NEWLY ELECTED CITY COUNCIL, UM, FOR THAT PURPOSE BECAUSE, UM, THEN WE, UM, GET IDEAS ON WHERE THEY STAND ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS AS WELL.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA ACTUALLY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION.
AND CAN WE GET A, UH, I SAY A LIST, BUT LIKE AN EMAIL AT SOME POINT OF WHAT'S REMAINING ON THAT LIST? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
JUST, JUST SO WE CAN KINDA GET A REFRESHER.
WELL ACTUALLY, FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NEW, CAN WE GET THE WHOLE LIST AND JUST LET US KNOW WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN COVERED? YES, THANK YOU.
YEAH,
WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I KNOW WE ARE WORKING ON THAT INTERNALLY FROM, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION POINT WITH CITY COUNCIL MM-HMM.
UM, RIGHT NOW TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER, THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT.
WE WANT TO, UH, KIND OF CREATE SOME CROSS SECTIONS.
UM, THOSE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, IT WOULDN'T JUST COVER TOWN HOMES, IT WOULD COVER ALL TYPES OF STREET DESIGNS, UM, KIND OF GIVING THE DEVELOPERS A, A LIST AND NOT KIND OF A, A FREE FOR ALL, JUST MEETING MINIMUM WIDTHS.
UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF TOLD TO PUT THAT ON HOLD.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME CONVERSATIONS.
UM, SO WE'RE PROBABLY NOT ANTICIPATING TO START THAT UNTIL AFTER THE NEW YEAR.
UM, AND THEN BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, THERE'LL BE SOME OTHER FACTORS WE'LL NEED TO CONSIDER.
WE'LL NEED TO TALK TO ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING DOING DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT.
UM, SO WE, WE DON'T EXPECT THIS TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY ONE, UM, MOST LIKELY EARLY SPRING, UM, AT THE EARLIEST.
UM, BUT IF SOMETHING CHANGES, WE'LL, WE'LL LET Y'ALL KNOW ON THAT ONE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND, UM, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE RECENTLY ADDED AN ITEM, UM, TO OUR AGENDA, NOT AN ITEM, BUT SOME SUPPORT TO THE AGENDA FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
EVERY TIME THERE'S A HYPERLINK TO P AND Z REQUESTED ITEMS WHERE YOU CAN SEE A LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE AND THE STATUS OF THOSE.
SO YOU CAN CHECK THAT OUT BEFORE YOU GET MAYBE MORE DETAILS FROM THE STAFF.
THE OTHER THING WAS WHAT, UH, COUNSEL, UH, REQUESTED US TO TAKE ON A PROJECT.
UM, IS THAT ON THE LIST AS WELL? THEY DID.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE, AGAIN, THAT'S THE PRIORITY ITEM AT THE MOMENT.
I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP IN MY STAFF REPORTS.
SO WILL I, SORRY, MAY I SPEAK? MM-HMM.
ARE YOU, UH, CAN YOU GIVE US A REFRESHER ON THE ADOPTION SCHEDULE FOR THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN YOUR STAFF REPORT? YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THEN, OR Y YES, I CAN.
ANYTHING ELSE IN GENERAL? DISCUSSION? OKAY.
WILL ITEM NUMBER SIX, STAFF REPORT
[B Staff Report by Will Atkinson, Director of Planning]
ITEM SIX B STAFF REPORT.DOES STAFF HAVE A REPORT TO THE COMMISSION? YES, WE DO.
SO A COUPLE COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED Y'ALL, OR THEY DIRECTED THE COMMISSION TO COORDINATE WITH STAFF ABOUT LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING CODE AGAIN, IN PUTTING TOGETHER A POTENTIAL PROGRAM TO ENCOURAGE, UH, CITIZENS AND DEVELOPERS TO, UM, INCORPORATE, UM, EXCUSE ME, ZERO ESCAPING, WHAT HAVE YOU FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE ARE GONNA, GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT STARTING SOON.
UM, I NEED TO COORDINATE WITH MY STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE ARE READY TO GO, BUT I'M HOPING WE CAN, UM,
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POSSIBLY HAVE THAT, UM, AS IT'S A LITTLE UNDER A MONTH OUT MAYBE ON THE, ON THE, THE WEEK OF WHAT WOULD BE THE 14TH OF NOVEMBER.AND LEADING BACK TO THAT, WE CAN, WE ALSO NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR AN ADJUSTMENT ON THAT DAY FROM OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE USING THE CHAMBERS ON 1114 TO CANVAS THE VOTES FROM THE ELECTION.
THEY'RE NOT HAVING THEIR MEETING ON 11 SEVEN.
SO I ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THAT.
SO NOT PER A VOTE, BUT I NEED SOME INDICATORS IF YOU'RE MORE AVAILABLE, LIKELY TO BE AVAILABLE ON 1113 OR 1115.
SO THAT'S MONDAY OR WEDNESDAY, 1115 FOR MYSELF, I'M OUTTA TOWN.
WE'RE WANTING TO, UM, ON THAT DATE, UM, POSSIBLY LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT THAT OR AT LEAST INTRODUCING THE IDEAS BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR THAT, UM, FOR THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
AND ALSO, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS I WANT TO HAVE ON THERE IS A RECOMMENDED ADOPTION SCHEDULE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, WE DID HAVE TO DELAY IT AND, UH, SINCE THEN WE'VE COORDINATED WITH ADMINISTRATION ON WHEN THEY ARE ANTICIPATING WANTING IT ADOPTED.
AND SO THAT WILL ALSO BE ON THAT SCHEDULE AS WELL ON THAT, ON THE DATE FOR THE MEETING, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING THAT, UM, BRINGING IT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 1212 MEETING FOR THIS YEAR.
UH, SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST CONSIDERATION OR AND CONSIDERATION ON THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL ON ONE 16 REGARDING THE, UH, LANDSCAPING AND THE ZERO SCAPING, UH, STANDARDS.
UH, WHO ARE, IS STAFF COMING UP WITH A, THE VARIOUS, ESSENTIALLY THE CONTENT FOR SUCH A, A PLAN A CODE.
SO WE, WE UPDATED THE LANDSCAPING CODE IN AUGUST, THE, THE AMENDMENT TO IT, AND IT, IT DRAMATICALLY INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF ZERO ESCAPING THAT WE ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, BASED ON COUNCIL'S, UM, UM, DISCUSSION POINTS ON THE MEETING A COUPLE TIMES AGO.
THEY WANTED US TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN TO SEE IF WE CAN DO MORE AND ALSO WORK TOGETHER FOR, UM, INCENTIVES AND A PROGRAM FOR THAT AS WELL.
TO CLARIFY WHAT WOULD MORE BE TO DO MORE? THAT'S GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR SURE.
AND THE, THE REASON IT'S OF CONCERN TO ME IS, UH, FOR, FOR ALL OF US REALLY IS THAT, UH, ZERO ESCAPING PERMACULTURE.
THOSE KINDS OF TOPICS ARE REALLY RATHER SPECIALIZED TO A LARGE EXTENT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ZERO ESCAPING IS GRANITE GRAVEL OR SOMETHING AND, AND A COUPLE OF ESPERANZA ORANA PLANTS AND IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY RATHER COMPLEX IN MY VIEW.
AND UH, FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW UNLESS SOMEBODY HERE IS A HORTICULTURIST OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE COLLECTIVE, UH, UH, EXPERTISE BETWEEN COUNCIL OURSELVES AND STAFF TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS ZERO ESCAPING.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A CONFLICT IN THE COMMUNITY BETWEEN THE DEVELOPERS IN THE CITY.
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU GO TO ZERO ESCAPING STANDARDS WHEN THEY KEEP REQUIRING ALL TURF LAWNS CORRECT.
SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
SO IS THERE ANY IDEA OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT AND COLLATE THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO ZERO? ESCAPING AND KYLE? YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG PROJECT ACTUALLY.
SO IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING NOT JUST CITY LANDSCAPING, BUT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? YES.
AND UH, LASTLY, UH, WE HAVE THE STATE PLANNING CONFERENCE.
THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, WE'RE HEADING DOWN TUESDAY, 11 SEVEN, THAT, THAT TUESDAY EVENING.
AND, UH, GENERALLY RETURNING ON SATURDAY, UH, THE 11TH.
SO JUST AS A, AS A REMINDER ON THAT, IF YOU'VE SIGNED UP FOR THAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
AND WHERE ARE YOU GUYS GOING? CORPUS CHRISTI.
YOU NOT GOING, I'M GOING TO GALVESTON TONIGHT.
UM,
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UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T TAKE OFF THAT AMOUNT OF TIME AGAIN TWO WEEKS LATER,ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ADJOURNMENT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN BY COMMISSIONER SHIELD AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES.