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GOOD[I) Call Meeting to Order and Roll Call]
EVENING.TODAY IS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH, AND THE TIME IS 6:30 PM AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? DELORE WEBB STEGEL.
[II) Approval of Minutes]
ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 11TH, 2025.
WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THOSE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF, UH, THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 11TH, SECOND 2025.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER SERRATO AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER FU.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THAT MOTION CARRIES CITIZEN COMMENT,
[III) Citizen Comment Period with Planning & Zoning Commission ]
PERIOD.THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS EARLY IN THE AGENDA OF REGULAR MEETINGS.
SPEAKERS ARE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTER CONCERNING CITY BUSINESS, AND THEY MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMITS.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL, WE'LL KEEP MOVING.
[2) Consider approval of a conditional use permit, regarding the IH-35 Overlay regulations, for three new commercial structures, located at 18600 IH-35. (Kyle City Limits - CUP-24-0108)]
NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REGARDING THE IH 35 OVERLAY REGULATIONS FOR THREE NEW COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES LOCATED AT 1 8 6 0 0 IH 35.
KYLE CITY LIMITS, CUP DASH 24 DASH 0 1 0 8.
MR. LUKES, UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, TONIGHT I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS ON THREE LOTS.
UM, I HAVE SOME SITE PLANS, SO I'LL TRY AND KEEP IT, UH, CLEAR FOR Y'ALL.
UM, AND THEN AT THE END, WE WILL BE ASKING FOR SEPARATE MOTIONS ON EACH BUILDING JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING CLEAN.
UM, SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S LOOKING AT FOUR NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, BUT TONIGHT WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THREE.
UM, THEY HAVE AN ASSOCIATED SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN IN REVIEW.
UM, THIS SITE IS, HAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ALREADY.
THERE'S AN EXISTING BURGER KING LOCATED ON THE SITE THAT IS NOT PART OF TONIGHT'S REVIEW.
UM, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING AT ADDING THREE BUILDINGS AGAIN, BUILDING FOUR WILL BE TOUCHED ON, UH, AT A LATER DATE WHEN THEY GET THAT DESIGNED AND, AND HAVE AN END USER.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RETAIL SERVICES.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S IN THE I 35 OVERLAY, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
UM, SO THIS WAS A SINGULAR LOT.
SO LOT ONE'S KIND OF THE CENTER ONE.
UM, LOT TWO IS THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
AND THEN LOT THREE IS, UH, ON THE FRONTAGE OF IH 35.
AND THEN HERE IS KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, SO LOT ONE HAS BUILDINGS TWO AND THREE, UM, BUILDING FOUR WILL BE LATER.
LOT TWO HAS BUILDING ONE, AND THEN LOT THREE IS EXISTING BURGER KING.
SO A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT WILL, WILL CLEAR THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO WE LOOK AT BUILDING ONE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED AUTO ZONE.
UM, THESE ELEVATIONS, UH, ARE THERE IS A, A MISTAKE ON THE LABEL.
SO THE RIGHT SIDE AND LEFT SIDE ARE ACTUALLY SWITCHED.
UM, COMMISSIONER ON CAN NOTICE THAT.
UM, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 42% STONE, 64, 57 AND 59.
UH, GLAZING SITTING AT 16, AVERAGE, UH, 15, AND THEN 10 ON THE ONE SIDE REAR, UM, HARDY BOARD MAKES UP 18 14, 11, 11.
AND THEN FOAM CORNICES ARE ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME PERCENTAGES.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND THEN THE EAST SIDE OR RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION AND THE LEFT ELEVATION, UH, AGAIN, LEFT ELEVATION RIGHT ARE SWITCHED ON ON THE LABELS.
UM, THIS DOOR, THE MAIN ENTRANCE YOU'LL SEE WILL FACE KIND OF THE INTERIOR OF THE DRIVEWAY, ALMOST ANGLING TOWARDS THE ITALIAN FOOD RESTAURANT.
SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING TWO.
UM, THIS IS AN ITALIAN RESTAURANT.
UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT STONE, WE'RE ABOUT 35 ON THE FRONT, 22 ON SIDES, AND THEN 32 AND 35 ON, ON THE SIDE, SORRY, 22 ON THE REAR.
UM, STUCCO AVERAGES 32, UH, ACROSS THREE SIDES.
THE REAR DOES GO UP A LITTLE BIT TO 73, AND THEN GLAZING MAKES UP ABOUT 30, 28 TO 30%, UH, ON ALL SIDES EXCEPT THE REAR.
YOU CAN SEE SOME COVERED PATIOS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS.
UH, THESE ARE BOTH DINING AREAS, UH, THAT, THAT ARE PLANNING TO BE UTILIZED.
UM, THEY'RE NOT JUST OPEN SPACE OR DECORATIVE.
AND THEN RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE COVERED PATIOS.
UH, THERE IS SOME LANDSCAPING THAT'S GONNA BE PUT INTO THOSE AREAS.
UH, THOSE WERE SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UM, NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO BUILDING THREE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE, UH, STONE PERCENTAGES, THE FRONT WE'RE AT 37, UM, REAR 41, AND THEN 23 AND 44 ON EITHER SIDE.
STUCCO IS HITTING ABOUT 50% PLUS ON
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EACH ONE.UH, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
THAT'S THE EAST FACING ELEVATION.
SO THAT'S THE SIDE THAT YOU'LL SEE AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE ACCESS ROAD.
UH, AGAIN, THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A RETAIL BUILDING, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S SOME TREES THERE IN THE FRONT.
SO THIS BUILDING'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MOST WE SEE, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS LENGTH.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO HAVE A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK OUT IN FRONT, NOT YOUR STANDARD.
AND THEN THESE TREES ARE PLACED THERE, UH, KIND OF SPRUCE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
THE REAR, UH, IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE ARE SOME AWNINGS OVER THOSE MAN DOORS.
YOU CAN SEE A WING WALL THERE THAT'S GONNA KIND OF HIDE THE LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONE.
AND THEN THE TOP IMAGE HERE, AGAIN, THIS ONE HAS SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UM, ON THIS TRELLIS WALL.
UM, AND THEN THE RIGHT SIDE, UH, IS THE INTERIOR FACING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT OVERHEAD DOOR.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE TOP IMAGE IS WHAT YOU SEE IS YOU KIND OF DRIVE DOWN I 35.
AND THEN THE OVERHEAD DOOR IS, IS WHEN YOU'RE INTERIOR TO THE SITE.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, UM, WE FOUND THE SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLANS NOT ONLY MEET, BUT THEY DO EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE IH 35 OVERLAY.
UM, HOWEVER, THE BUILDINGS DO NOT MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS, UM, ARE ARE GENERALLY 90% FOR MASONRY.
UH, HERE ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE AT LEAST 50%.
UM, THEY DO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE ART ARTICULATION AND INCLUDE THE REQUIRED ART ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST THOSE PERCENTAGES.
UH, AND THEN THAT ONE SET OF OVERHEAD DOORS, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE, THE 50% SEGMENTED GLASS.
UM, SO AS ALWAYS, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE OPTIONS, UH, FOR YOU GUYS TONIGHT, UH, APPROVE IS REQUESTED, APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST.
AT THIS TIME, STAFF'S REQUESTING P AND Z TAKE ACTION AGAIN ON EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING.
UM, SO IN CASE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CHANGES ON EACH ONE, WE CAN GET THOSE CONDITIONS, UH, PROPERLY NOTED.
UH, BUT WE ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION TWO, UM, JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE SITE PLANS AND LANDSCAPING MEET NOR EXCEED.
UM, BUT THE MASONRY'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER, UM, THAN, THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED.
AND THEN THE SEGMENTING GLASS DOORS.
SO OPTION TWO WILL GIVE Y'ALL THE OPPORTUNITY.
IF Y'ALL HAVE SOME CONCERNS TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUESTS TO THE BUILDING, UH, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, SO IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PER, UH, WELL, HANG ON.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET GOING? NO.
UM, SO OUR ORDINANCE, THE OVERLAY FOR THE I 35 AREA SAYS, UM, 90% MASONRY.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IN THIS ONE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET TO 90%, AND I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WAS A REASON WHY THAT NUMBER WAS NOT ABLE TO BE REACHED.
UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT I'D, I'D PROBABLY TURN THAT ONE OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO, TO GO INTO DETAIL ON ON WHY THAT IS.
HI, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JULIO SDA.
I'M PART OWNER OF, UH, B BK METRO.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE DESIGNS ON THE OVERLAYS ON THIS, UH, I 35 OVERLAY CORRIDOR.
UM, WE BASICALLY CAME DOWN TO, TO SOMETHING TO WHERE WAS, UH, UH, WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH, WITH STAFF, IN OTHER WORDS, TO, TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UH, IF YOU'LL ALLOW US TO, TO WORK WITH STAFF AND SPECS ALSO, 'CAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S GOING BACK AND FORTH.
UM, SO I, I, I MEAN THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UH, WE APPLIED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE WHOLE BUILDING IS MASONRY BLOCK.
UH, SO WE DID DO A LOT OF WINDOWS, UH, IN THE SIDES THAT WERE ASKED FOR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT.
UH, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE, I GUESS THE, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOGIC BEHIND IT.
'CAUSE THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE STUCCO WOULD BE DETAIL APPLICATION, AND THE WAY THAT Y'ALL ARE GETTING TO THE 50% MASONRY IS THROUGH THE USE OF STUCCO.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, NOT TO PUT Y'ALL ON THE SPOT OR ANYTHING, BUT MORE OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF FOR THE FUTURE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW I WILL SAY THE MASONRY PERCENTAGE YOU'RE SEEING DOES NOT INCLUDE THE STUCCO.
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AGAIN, FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO, TO WORK WITH APPLICANTS.WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CODE IS, UM, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF Y'ALL'S PURVIEW IS, UM, AND THEN WE KINDA UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY ON HOW IT'S BEEN APPLIED.
UM, SO STAFF IS TRYING TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE BETWEEN THOSE THREE THINGS.
UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THESE, UM, BASICALLY FROM, FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT, UM, 50% IS THE MINIMUM.
WE WON'T EVEN CONSIDER, UH, TAKING IT FOR APPROVAL.
UM, AFTER THAT WE TRY AND GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UH, AGAIN, THESE, THESE PERCENTAGES ARE, ARE, THEY COULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CALCULATE IT.
UM, WE COULD TAKE OFF DOORS AND, AND WINDOWS AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S LEFT IS X PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY, THAT MAY KICKED THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
THIS WAS KIND OF JUST BROKEN OUT BY THE OVERALL.
UM, IF THERE'S, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT, THAT THE, THE BOARD WANTS TO GO, THEN, THEN WE COULD PROBABLY, UH, PUT THAT FOR DISCUSSION ON A, ON ANOTHER MEETING.
BUT, UM, CAN'T GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH TONIGHT.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE, UM, STECCO IS NOT BEING CAUGHT, COUNTED AS MASONRY BECAUSE THE OVER LACE IS BRICK AND STONE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BROKEN OUT SEPARATE.
WE, UM, STUCCO MAY BE FROM A BUILDING MATERIAL CONSTRUCTION STANDARD, CONSIDERED A MASONRY PRODUCT LIKE HARDY BOARD, UH, HARDY PLANK SIDING.
BUT IN THE I 35 OVERLAY, WE DO NOT CONSIDER THAT PART OF, OF A MASONRY DESIGN.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, WITH DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD GOING ON, EVERYONE'S PRETTY MUCH COME UP HERE COMPLIANT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MODIFICATIONS MADE.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
CAN WE SPEAK TO SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS? UM, I, YOU CAN TALK TO THE, THE APPLICANT I GUESS, AND ASK.
I THINK IF, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF, IF WE CAN DO KIND OF GENERAL QUESTIONS OVERALL.
GET THOSE KNOCKED OUT AND THEN AS WE GET INTO EACH BUILDING, IF THOSE ARE SOME SPECIFIC REQUESTS, JUST THAT WAY IT'S EASIER FOR US TO KIND OF TAKE NOTES AND MAKE SURE OUR MOTIONS ARE ALIGNED.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR STAFF? OKAY.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THEN, UM, TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BUILDING ONE.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND? OKAY.
UH, CHAIR PER SANKIN AND A SECOND FROM VICE CHAIR STEGEL.
NOW WE CAN, UM, HAVE DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE.
ANY THOUGHTS? THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY COMPLIANT, RIGHT? WITH THE 90%? NO, THIS ONE'S A, A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST VISUALLY THE WAY THE BUILDING'S BROKEN UP, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A LOT MORE THAN IT IS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH PERCENTAGES OVER, OVER THE ALL YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING IN CORNICES AND EAVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE EYE TEST, THIS IS, THIS IS THERE, BUT IF Y'ALL FEEL OTHERWISE, THEN STAFF IS HERE TO, TO WORK WITH Y'ALL AND, AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
THE FAUX WINDOWS, I DO NOT BELIEVE THESE ARE SHADOW BOX WINDOWS, IS THAT CORRECT? THESE ARE, THESE ARE REAL WINDOWS.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT FIRST ON SOME OF, SOME WINDOW PLACEMENTS, BUT THESE, THESE WILL BE FOUR WINDOWS, EVEN WHERE ON THE DRAWING IT HAS AN ARROW AND IT SAYS FAUX WINDOW, LIKE THE BLACK BOXES ARE REAL WINDOWS.
I, I, I HAVE TO, I CAN'T SEE EM.
WHAT, WHAT IS A FAUX WINDOW? THEY'RE WHAT WE CALL SHADOW BOXES.
SO THERE ARE SENSITIVE AREAS IN SOME OF THESE FACILITIES WHERE THEY DON'T ALWAYS WANT THE GLASS OPENING, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A WINDOW AND THEY PUT THOSE ON THERE AND, AND THEY'RE TINTED.
UM, JUST SO FOLKS DON'T HAVE EASY ACCESS.
SO, UH, GENERALLY WE SEE THEM SOMETIMES IN, IN RESTRICTED AREAS ON THE SIDE OF SOME BUILDINGS OR IF THERE'S RESTROOMS ON THAT SIDE AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A WINDOW AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT THOSE THERE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'D JUST LIKE TO BE, UH, HAVE THIS, UH, CLARITY ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.
THOSE ARE DOUBLE DOORS, DOUBLE STEEL DOORS? YES.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PLAN, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE FULL OPEN OR IF THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE FRENCH.
I THINK THEY'LL HAVE A CENTER SEPARATOR.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BUILDING ONE, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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OKAY.DID ANYONE WANNA BRING A MOTION FOR BUILDING TWO OR THREE? I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN ORDER.
I'LL BRING A MOTION TO APPROVE BUILDING TWO WITH MODIFICATION.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE MODIFICATION FOR THE MOTION? YEAH.
SO ON BUILDING TWO, UM, MY, MY CONCERN HERE IS THE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT FACES A PRETTY PUBLIC AREA, INCLUDING THE PARKING LOT AND, AND THE SPECS ENTRANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING DOESN'T MEET THE MASONRY REQUIREMENT.
AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER INCREASING THE MASONRY ON THE BACKSIDE.
UM, I LOOK AT THE WAY SPECS IS DESIGNED ON THE BACKSIDE AND HAS MASONRY BANDS KIND OF GOING THROUGHOUT, UM, THE FACADE.
AND I THINK INCLUDING SOME FEATURE LIKE THAT TO INCREASE THE AESTHETIC APPEAL AND NOT JUST HAVE THE STUCCO IN WAYNE'S COAT WOULD MAKE THIS BUILDING MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, UM, WHEN YOU'RE THERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BACK TO ANOTHER BUILDING OR, UH, A FIELD.
IT, IT IS A PRETTY PUBLIC, UH, LINE OF SIGHT.
AND I THINK, UH, INCREASING THE MASONRY THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING, UM, FOR THE PIE LASTER SIMILAR TO THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NOW AS, AS CLOSE AS THE OTHERS ARE, MAYBE SOMETHING WORKABLE? IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT GOOD? Y YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I, I LEAVE IT UP TO THE, THE STAFF TO KIND OF SEE WHAT LOOKS REASONABLE THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK, RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS THE SPACING OR THE DISTANCE NECESSARILY, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD AT LEAST BRING SOME MORE AESTHETIC APPEAL.
I MEAN, I SEE THE CONTROLLED JOINTS HERE IN THE STUCCO.
YOU COULD DO SOMETHING FOLLOWING THAT, BUT SOMETHING REASONABLE TO INCREASE IT.
AS LONG AS, UM, I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL, YOU'RE OKAY WITH STAFF DOING THAT AND NOT BRINGING THIS BACK FOR THOSE REVIEWS.
UM, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, JUST ADD THAT TO THE MO UH, AS PART OF YOUR FINAL MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? SORRY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE CUP FOR BUILDING TWO WITH, UH, THE MODIFICATION OF MASONRY PILOT OR THE ADDITION OF MASONRY PILOTERS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY STAFF.
SO THAT'S OUR MOTION FOR BUILDING TWO.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, JUST ESCAPE ME THAT WE'VE MADE ONE MODIFICATION ALREADY, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, UM, UTILITIES ON THE BACK SCREENED AS WELL.
NOT JUST PAINTED, BUT SCREENED.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA ON FOOT AND OTHERWISE.
SO, UM, THE BACK OF BLANK BUILDINGS, UH, JUST AREN'T THAT APPEALING.
I DON'T THINK IT TAKES THAT MUCH MORE TO DRESS IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND SCREEN OVER THE UTILITY PATTERN, UH, PANELS.
UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
I WOULD, UH, NOT CARE TO AMEND THAT MOTION, BUT IF YOU WOULD DISCUSS THAT PERHAPS STAFF AND THE BUILDER, UM, TO SEE WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE ONE, ONE CHOICE TO MAKE.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA PUT IT INTO THE MOTION, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION FOR STAFF.
IT'S, UH, I DON'T WANNA MODIFY THAT PARTICULAR MOTION, BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE MORE DETAIL THAT WE COULD CONSIDER.
I MEAN, STAFF WILL BE WILLING TO, TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IF, IF Y'ALL FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT, THAT IT SHOULD BE MADE PART OF THE MOTION SO THAT IT'S MEMORIALIZED.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE HAVE GOOD DIRECTION, BUT, UM, I, I FEEL BETTER IF, IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS, IS AMENABLE TO THAT.
UM, AND WE HAD SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS PRIOR.
UM, IT WAS JUST CHOSEN TO GO WITH, WITH OPTION A, WHICH IS THE CAMOUFLAGING, SO TO SPEAK, VERSUS THE, THE SCREEN WALLS.
WHAT IS THE SCREENING THAT YOU DISCUSSED? JUST FROM MY OWN, UM, SEVERAL WAYS THAT THEY DO IT.
UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A GOOD ONE HERE, BUT ON THE SPECS, UH, YOU SEE THAT KIND OF TRELLIS WITH THE LATTICE.
UM, WE'VE SEEN SOME PEOPLE DO THAT AND I DO KIND OF EITHER METAL PANELS OR, OR WOOD SLATS WITH, WITH METAL FRAMES.
I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT IT'S JUST BASICALLY A LITTLE WING WALL THAT THAT STANDS UP.
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UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME CLEARANCE FROM THE BUILDING.'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO MEET ELECTRICAL CODE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE FOOT CLEARANCE AROUND TO GET ACCESS.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE COULD, WE CAN WORK THERE.
UM, I THINK, UH, THERE MAY BE, UH, WE MAY NEED TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THIS.
UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SIDEWALK CLEAR IT IS.
I THINK THE SIDEWALK IS RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT IT MAY MAKE IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO, TO GET THAT CLEARANCE, UM, WITHOUT MODIFYING THE SIDEWALK.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU WANT IT, WE CAN MAKE IT PART OF THE MOTION.
WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, TO SEE IF WE NEED TO REROUTE THE SIDEWALK AROUND IT OR MAYBE WORK IN SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA.
UH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY OPTIONS AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO HAVE, UH, STAFF WORK WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT TO HAVE A SCREEN OVER THE UTILITY BOXES TO THAT, UH, ELEVATION, THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE NEED A SECOND FOR THE AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE.
SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO HAVE STAFF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO HAVE, UM, TO ADD SCREENING OVER THE UTILITY BOXES ON THE REAR.
UM, SECONDED OR MOTION FROM VICE CHAIR STEGEL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SERATO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? OKAY, I, IF WE HAVE TO REROUTE THE SIDEWALK OR DO SOMETHING DRASTIC LIKE THAT, I'M, I'M NOT SURE.
SOMETIMES WHEN WE MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO TRY TO MAKE ONE THING BETTER, IT ENDS UP KIND OF BACKFIRING, MAKING IT LOOK WORSE THAN IT INITIALLY WOULD HAVE.
SO I, I'M JUST CONCERNED IF WE'RE, IF I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK WITH SCREENING RIGHT THERE WITH THE SIDEWALK.
UM, WELL SCREENING, THE SCREENING I HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, UH, HASN'T EXTENDED THAT FAR FROM THE BUILDING.
UM, WHAT ARE YOU IMAGINING MR. LUTZ? I MEAN, MAYBE ON SOME OF 'EM THEY HAD SOME TYPE OF HINGE MECHANISM THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO, TO PULL THAT AWAY.
I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS ON ONES THAT WE'VE UTILIZED.
I MEAN, IT, I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE AND YOU KNOW, I, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THERE.
AGAIN, AS LONG AS WE CAN KIND OF EXPLORE THAT, THAT SCREENING WALL, UM, IT JUST WOULD HAVE TO MEET BUILDING CODE.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY OUR ONLY, OUR CONCERN.
AND I, AND I THINK IF THE MOTION IS TO WORK WITH, I THINK THE MOTION WAS FAIRLY, FAIRLY, NOT, NOT VAGUE, BUT FLEXIBLE, UM, TO WORK WITH HIM.
AND MAYBE IF, IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK IS WE COULD GO BACK.
I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM, FROM YOU GUYS, SO, YES.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT UTILITY BOXES ARE UGLY FOR SURE.
AND I SHARE THE CONCERN THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STECCO HERE, WHICH I, I LIKE IS A BUILDING MATERIAL ACTUALLY, AND TRYING TO DRESS THIS UP A LITTLE EVEN FROM THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING SEEMS TO BE APPEALING, LITERALLY.
UM, SO THE PINE LASTERS AND UH, THEN SCREENING THAT WOULD, WAS PART OF MY VISION.
IN ANY CASE, I HAVE, UM, A QUESTION ABOUT THIS SCREENING.
SO IF WE, IF WE WERE TO ADD SOME SORT OF SCREENING THERE AND IT NEEDED THE FIVE FOOT CLEARANCE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S, THERE'S A, A BACK DOOR THERE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING OUT THE WASTE FROM THE RESTAURANT.
AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU'VE GOT A BIG ROLLING BIN, HAVING TO NAVIGATE AROUND LIKE A CURVE IN THE SIDEWALK SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD MAYBE BE PROBLEMATIC.
YEAH, MY, MY THOUGHT IS, IS IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE SOME TYPE OF HINGE MECHANISM THAT TO KEEP IT FLAT.
SO THAT IT'S FLUSH UP AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THINK OF A FLAT SCREEN TV ON THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING.
YOU'D BE ABLE TO PULL IT OUT, MOVE IT, AND THEN PUSH IT BACK AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, HAVE ANY INTERFERENCE.
UM, AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT AND, AND GO, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT YOU GUYS JUST, YOU DON'T WANT ANY UGLY ELECTRICAL BOXES OUT THERE.
SO YEAH, THE APPLICANT RAISED THE HAND.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERALL SITE PLAN? AND I KNOW IT'LL BE A LITTLE TOUGH TO SEE HERE.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE BEHIND THE, UH, THE RESTAURANT, THERE'S THAT TRIANGULAR PIECE, UM, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT PARKING.
SO THERE'D BE OPTIONS THERE TO MAKE THE UTILITIES IN THAT LOCATION HAVE THE SCREENING WHILE THERE AND NOT HAVE TO MODIFY THE SIDEWALK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE THE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT AROUND.
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WITH WITHDRAW THE MOTION IF, IF, UH, WELL, I, I THINK YOU WANTED TO KEEP THE MOTION SO THAT WE WORK WITH IT.BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
I THINK WE LEFT ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY TO FIGURE SOMETHING, SOMETHING OUT.
SO WE'VE GOT AN AMENDMENT FOR THE MOTION AGAIN, AND THIS IS TO HAVE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A WAY TO GET SCREENING OVER THE UTILITY BOXES.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT OR SHALL WE VOTE? AYE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION, UH, AND THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, UH, THE CUP FOR BUILDING TWO WITH THE ADDITION OF MASONRY PILOTERS, UM, ON THE REAR FACADE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS PART OF THE MOTION? I COULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT AND THAT IS THAT I THINK THAT GIVEN OUR OVERLAY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WE'RE BEING GENEROUS, UM, JUST ASKING FOR PILOTERS, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THAT'S ONE REASON I ASKED FOR THE SCREEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING? THERE CAN BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA OF ALL KINDS.
AND, UM, I APPRECIATE MASONRY, UM, STUCCO AS A MASONRY PRODUCT.
UM, BUT BY OVERLAY STANDARDS, WE'VE GOTTA BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING WAY UNDER THOSE STANDARDS AND THAT'S WHY I'M BEING A LITTLE FUSSY MYSELF IS JUST NOT TO BE FUSSY, BUT LET'S, LET'S CLEAN THIS UP AND MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE, UM, STUC OR NOT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO APPROVE, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND, UM, FOR BUILDING THREE, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO BRING A MOTION FOR THIS ONE? I BRING A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS BUILDING.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER
SO THE OVERHEAD DOOR HERE IS, UH, EASTERN FACING, AND IT IS, YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON THIS IMAGE, UH, RIGHT WHERE THE B THREE LABEL IS, UM, THAT LITTLE CUTOUT, UH, POINT, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S THAT LOADING ZONE, UM, AREA IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT, IT DOES FACE THE INTERIOR POND.
UM, AND THEN THE, IT SCREENED FROM BURGER KING, UH, WITH THE WING WALL ON THAT ONE SIDE, JUST SO YOU CAN ORIENTATE, ORIENTATE YOURSELF TO, TO THE SIDE.
YEAH, THAT WAS A BIG PART WAS THE ORIENTATION BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THERE IS SCREENING FOR THAT LOADING AREA AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE A COUPLE OF PRETTY BIG TRUCKS BACK THERE.
UM, AND THE CONFIGURATION ON THE LEFT OR WEST ELEVATION DOESN'T SEEM TO CONFORM WITH WHAT WE SEE ON THAT PLAN.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA BACK INTO A DOOR IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TWO TURNING MOVEMENTS WILL WORK.
SO IF YOU FOLLOW AROUND ON LOT THREE, UH, AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO, UM, TO THE CIVILS ON THE SITE PLAN.
BUT, UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA COME IN ON THAT FAR WESTERN PLAN WEST, UH, DRIVEWAY COMES AROUND AND CURVES NORTH ON THE BURGER KING.
UM, THERE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TURN RADIUS TO MOVE THAT INTO THAT BACK, BUT IF, IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS, THEN I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UM, THE CIVIL, UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, USED THE ASTO TURNING RADIUS OR TURNING MOVEMENTS, UM, WHICH IS THE, I GUESS YOUR DESIGN VEHICLE TURN MOVEMENTS.
UH, AND SO WE HAVE USED THOSE AND LAID THEM INTO THE SITE.
AND SO, UM, YOU ARE ABLE TO MANEUVER TO, I BELIEVE, UM, WB 67.
SO THOSE ARE FAIRLY LARGE, UH, 18 WHEELERS TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER BACK THERE.
AND YOU'RE BACKING UP TO A DOCK.
SO THAT WAS THE HARD THING FOR ME TO, TO SEE IS THAT IT LOOKED LIKE THE, UH, ON THE, UH, ELEVATIONS THAT IT WAS, UH, LEMME GET THIS UP.
YEAH, IT LOOKED AS IF IT WERE A FLUSH WITH THE, UH, WEST WALL AND THERE'S NO REPRESENTATION OF A SCREENING WALL THERE.
SO THERE ON THE, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS, THE WING WALL OR THE SCREENING WALL RIGHT THERE ON THE LOWER, UH, ELEVATION, UH, THERE TOWARDS THE KIND OF MIDDLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE, UH, ELEVATION LOOKING FROM THE E UH, OR LOOKING TOWARDS THE DOOR,
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UM, THERE'S THE WALL THERE ON THE VERY WEST SIDE.AND THEN WHERE YOU SEE THE, I GUESS YOU CAN SEE THE MASONRY GOING UP TOWARDS THE MIDDLE.
SO THAT'S THE, THE WIDTH OF THE LOADING ZONE THROUGH THERE.
KIND OF CURIOUS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE IT IS THAT DARKER COLOR WHERE IT SAYS SPECS? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT COULD EVEN BE STONE? THERE'S JUST SO MUCH STUCCO ON THAT FRONT SIDE.
UH, THIS IS BASICALLY VERY HEAVY.
IF, IF, IF WE START PUTTING SOME STONE UP THERE, IT, IT, IT'LL, STRUCTURALLY IT WOULD BE KIND OF DIFFICULT TO, TO, TO WORK WITH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, NO, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PUT SOME, SOME STONE UP THERE AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT THAT, UH, ABOVE THE SPEC SIGN.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, WORK AROUND THERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK FOR CLARIFICATION, SIR, YOU'RE TALKING THE, THE WHOLE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT, THAT PARA PIT CENTER PORTION YOU WANT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT STONE TO BASICALLY JUST MATCH THE, THE END CAPS? IS THAT YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, YEAH, IF THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION, STAFF COULD WORK WITH THEM.
UM, THIS ONE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS CUT AND DRY, I THINK.
AND SO, UM, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS, I I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME, SOME PARAMETERS AT LEAST ON, ON WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD, WOULD CONSIDER ACCEPTABLE.
UM, I, I, I DO AGREE THAT, THAT THAT WEIGHT WILL, WILL CAUSE SOME IN INTERNAL, UM, STRUCTURAL CHANGES.
UH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE MOST LIKELY SPANS AND BEAMS, HEADERS, UH, BUT, UH, TO, TO GIVE STAFF SOME FLEXIBILITY, I'D KIND OF AT LEAST LIKE TO KNOW, HEY, MAYBE IT'S 50% OF THAT, OR MAYBE IT'S A CENTER SWATH WITH A WAINS COAT, OR MAYBE IT'S THE TOP CAP AND THE, THE BOTTOM CAP.
UM, I, I'M REALLY JUST SPIT BALLING RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I HAVE A, A THOUGHT ON THAT.
SO FOR THE BUILDING TWO THAT WE JUST APPROVED AT THEIR ENTRANCE FOR THE BUILDING, THE, THE TWO, THE FAR LEFT AND THE FAR RIGHT OF THE BUILDING, UM, ENTRANCE WERE STONE.
UM, WOULD THAT SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THE COST OR THE, THE WEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE TO DO THAT SORT OF FLANKING ON THE, ON THE SPECS ENTRY? I'M SORRY, MY A DHD AND THE TRAIN DIDN'T HELP
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BEN, THERE.
I WAS JUST ASKING, UM, IF WE WERE TO DO, UM, KIND OF THE, THE, THE FLANKING OF THE STONE ALL THE WAY UP THE WAY IT'S DONE ON BUILDING TWO ON THE ENTRANCE FOR BUILDING THREE, WOULD THAT SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THE COST FOR YOU OR THE STRUCTURE WEIGHT FOR YOU? THAT WOULD, UH, YES, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK IN INSTEAD OF REDESIGNING THE WHOLE STRUCTURAL END OF, OF, OF THAT PERPET COMING OUT.
THAT WOULD THAT BE DEFINITELY MORE FEASIBLE? YES.
THAT WOULD MAKE MOST THESE BUILDINGS TIE IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER AS WELL.
COMMENT AND OBSERVATION ABOUT ALL THREE THOUGH TWO HAVE BEEN VOTED ON APPROVED, AND THAT IS, WE'VE RUN INTO THE SITUATION WHERE CERTAIN THINGS CANNOT BE CHANGED BECAUSE, AND NOT JUST IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, BUT IN OTHER, UH, SITUATIONS WE'VE SEEN, UM, BECAUSE WEIGHT CANNOT BE BORN BY, BY THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND SO FORTH.
I THINK I WOULD BE AMAZED TO SEE THE DAY THAT SOMEBODY READS THE OVERLAY FIRST AND THEN DESIGNS THEIR BUILDING SO THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BUILD OUT WITH STONE AND BRICK.
UM, THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE IMPOSSIBLE.
IF YOU'RE READING WHAT THIS IS FIRST, JUST COMMENT AND OBSERVATION.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, UM, TO ADD THE STONE ON THE ENTRYWAY FIRST FOR BUILDING THREE TO MATCH THE STYLE OF THAT ON BUILDING TWO, THE END CAPS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OFFICIAL TERM IS.
UM, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT AMENDMENT? YEAH, A SECOND THAT.
SO A MOTION TO AMEND BY MYSELF AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SERATO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDMENT? NOT ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF ANYONE HAS ANY CONCERNS
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ON THE SIDE OF THE SPECS THAT FACES THE HIGHWAY.I'M GOING TO JUST CLOSE THAT MOTION THAT WE JUST HAD AND OR THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, UM, THAT THOUGHT.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO THAT'S IN MR. C I'M JUST, I WAS, MY QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERN WITH THE AMOUNT OF MASONRY ON THE I 35 SIDE? I MEAN, I THINK THIS GENERALLY LOOKS HOW A SPACS TYPICALLY LOOKS, BUT I KNOW WE'RE LOW ON THE MASONRY AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AS A GROUP CONCERN WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS FACING THE HIGHWAY SINCE IT'S THE MOST PUBLIC SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
HISTORICALLY, I'VE HAD A BIG CONCERN WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH PEOPLE DRIVING BY AND ALL THIS SEES A BLANK FACE OF A WALL, DOES NOT SPEAK WELL TO KYLE AND ITS PERSONALITY.
UM, WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF FAST FOOD AND OTHER KINDS OF FACILITIES ALONG THE I 35 CORRIDOR.
AND WE MAY NOT IMPRESS EVERYBODY BECAUSE I KNOW THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT MOVE IN ON INTERSTATE CORRIDORS.
NEVERTHELESS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED BLANK BLANK WALLS.
UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALLOWABLE OR POSSIBLE WITH THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN? I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WOULD BE, UH, UM, USEFUL TO BREAK UP THAT WALL.
UM, I'M JUST, THIS WALL, THIS WALL IS THE THINNER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND I, AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD WANT SOMETHING IN LIEU OF THE TRELLIS.
IS THAT MAYBE KIND OF WHERE THE DISCUSSION IS GOING? OR DO, WOULD YOU STILL, UM, 'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF OPTIONS.
THERE'S, THERE'S PILAS YOU COULD DO.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE SHORT SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D GET A LOT, MAYBE TWO IN THERE, UM, BEFORE IT KIND OF GOT CROWDED.
UM, YOUR OTHER OPTION IS POSSIBLY RAISE THE WACO A LITTLE BIT, UM, UP THAT WALL.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE WAS, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, 36 INCHES FROM THE GROUND.
UM, SO MAYBE YOU GO UP 42, 48, UM, OR HIGHER.
UM, BUT I I, IF THOSE ARE MAYBE SOME OPTIONS YOU'RE THINKING, UH, UM, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE, THE QUICKEST AS FAR AS KIND OF DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE GREEN WALL.
AND IN GENERAL, I LIKE GREEN WALLS.
I THINK THEY'RE COOL, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT IT STAYS GREEN AND HAPPY AND LUSH AND PRETTY.
AND, UM, I DIDN'T SEE THAT, I JUST PULLED UP THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I DON'T SEE IT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WHAT WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE IT GETS WATERED? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TRELLIS HAD BEEN ADDED TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I THINK IT WAS ADDED JUST KIND OF TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO UPDATE THE SOCK PLAN TO SHOW ANY IRRIGATION THAT MAY BE IN, IN THAT AREA.
UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, UM, VEGETATIVE WISE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT MAYBE SPECIFYING EVERGREENS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE WATERING SITUATION AND AT, AT OUR PEAK TIMES, PEAK DEMANDS, UM, IF WE DON'T GET RAIN.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL TURN THAT BACK OVER TO THE APPLICANT, KIND OF FINE TUNE AND DISCUSS THOSE OPTIONS FOR THAT SIDE.
AND WAS THAT INTENDED TO, IS THAT THIS THE UTILITY WALL ON THIS SIDE, OR WAS THAT JUST FOR DECORATIVE PURPOSES? NO, THIS WAS TO, TO TRY AND DO SOMETHING.
WE, WE KNEW STAFF KNEW THAT THIS WAS THE SIDE FACING I 35.
AND, AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIGHT ON STONE.
AND SO, UH, WE WERE KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM ON OPTIONS AND THIS WAS WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S NO, NO ELECTRICAL THAT WILL BE SHOWN ON THIS SIDE.
SHORT ANSWER TO THE CHAIRWOMAN, UM, IS BASICALLY YES, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE CIVIL ENGINEER AND THE ARCHITECT WORK TOGETHER AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO, TO PUT IT TOGETHER FOR, FOR THE, UH, LANDSCAPE, UH, UH, BASICALLY PLAN, SITE.
DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT INTO THE MOTION OR IS IT, UM, NO, I MEAN, SEPARATE, THIS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE SITE PLAN AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE BUILDING ELEVATION ITSELF.
SO THEY WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT.
THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE LIFE.
UM, I THINK FOR ME, CONCERN WHEN, WHEN WE TALK VEGETATIVE WALLS IS AFTER A HARD FREEZE, UM, YOU KNOW, WINTERTIME, I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, IS IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE GREEN.
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UH, ARTIFICIAL FLOWERS, I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF YOU'D WANT TO CONSIDER THAT I, THEY FADE, BUT THEY'RE, THE, THE CODE DOES ALLOW, UM, LANDSCAPING TO BE ARTIFICIALLY AND AND DONE IN CERTAIN AREAS.UM, SO I, I THINK YOU HAVE OPTIONS AVAILABLE IF, IF YOU WANT A GREEN SCREEN YEAR ROUND, UM, OR IF YOU JUST WANT THAT TO GO AWAY AND YOU WANT TO TALK MASONRY, I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE, ARE YOUR TWO BEST BETS.
IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO, I MEAN, THE GREEN WALL'S GREAT.
I JUST LOOK THINKING ABOUT THE REALITY OF IT NOW THIS TIME OF YEAR AFTER A FREEZE AND STUFF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA LOOK LIKE ALL OF OUR GRASS DOES.
CURRENTLY YOU HAVE SOMETHING, UH, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT, UH, WE'RE AMENABLE TO WORK WITH, WITH, UH, THE ARTIFICIAL, IT'S REALLY NICE.
UH, I KNOW THAT NOWADAYS THEY'RE MAKING IT, UH, TO LAST A LITTLE LONGER THAN, THAN USUAL.
SO, BUT THE EXPENSIVE SIDE IT IS.
SO I PERSONALLY, I'M OPEN TO THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL THERE, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE IN THE CITY SAYING, WHY DID YOU APPROVE A GREEN WALL? AND THEY HAVE TO WATER THAT.
SO A GREEN, AN ARTIFICIAL WALL, UM, ON THAT SPACE WOULD WORK.
AND BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTATION OF THAT WALL, IT'S NOT GONNA GET THAT WESTERN BAKING HOT SUN.
SO IT MIGHT LAST LONGER THAN IT WOULD'VE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A REASONABLE PLAN.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE CANOPY THERE? IS IT JUST TO COVER THE PATIO, OR, I'M SORRY, THE SIDEWALK OR BREAK UP THE FACADE? WHAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND THE CANOPY? I DON'T, UM, WHERE WE, UH, THAT LITTLE LINE RIGHT ABOVE THE, UH, YOUR TRELLIS.
UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S A CANOPY.
I THINK THAT'S A SUPPORT STRUCTURE, UH, FOR THE TRELLIS.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS.
UM, I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE PLANS.
UH, I WILL SAY IF, IF Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING, UM, AGAIN, YOU HAVE OPTIONS, YOU COULD DO BOTH.
YOU COULD ASK TO RAISE SOME OF THE BRICK ON, ON THE EDGES TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER AND THEN ADD THAT GREEN.
UM, I DO WANT TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT, UH, THAT OUR CODE THAT ALLOWS THE ARTIFICIAL DOES HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR REPLACEMENT WHEN IT'S FADING OR, OR DIRTY OR LOOKS BAD.
SO, UM, IT, THIS WON'T BE SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST BE SET AND FORGET.
SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY CAN REPLACE.
WE'RE MEETING WHEN WE WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON GOING FROM 36 INCHES TO, UH, 48, I GUESS.
IS THAT YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T, UM, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING 48, THAT'S, I'M TALKING STANDARD CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES.
THIS BUILDING'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THAT.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S 56, BUT I THINK AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO WORK WITH US, UH, WE JUST NEED THE DIRECTION.
IS IT, IS IT ONE THE OTHER AND OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH THAT YOU WOULD PREFER? UM, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
ARE WE TALKING 48 ON THE WAIN'S COAT? UH, YES.
IT'S LISTED ON THE SIDE ELEVATION AS 48 INCHES CURRENTLY.
THEN WE WOULD'VE TO GO, GO HIGHER.
I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS 36 OR 48.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RAISING IT ONLY ON ONE SIDE? I THINK IF YOU WOULD RAISE THE WAIN'S COAT, YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT.
UM, I, I WOULD SAY YOU, YOU'D MATCH IT ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UM, CAN WE GO, UH, I'M, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE WEST SIDE OF IT 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THERE, BUT, AND IT DOESN'T FACE THE HIGHWAY.
UM, I, I, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE PILE LASTERS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND KEEP SOME SORT OF CONSISTENCY ON THE FRONT AND THE SIDES AND WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS, UM, THE, THE GREEN WALL DOESN'T DO A WHOLE LOT FOR ME.
UM, I THINK KEEPING THE MASONRY AND MAKING A NICE CLEAN AESTHETIC APPEAL THAT IT'S ALWAYS GONNA LOOK THE SAME, WOULD LOOK BETTER IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I'M NOT SURE HOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, THE ARCHITECT WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK IT AROUND THE SIGNAGE, UM, TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE.
BUT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MASONRY PYLA CONTINUE ON THE SIDES.
UH, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONNAIRE, BUT THE, THE HARD PART IS NOT, IS A SIGNAGE AND, AND, AND YOU SAID IT EXACTLY.
IT'S, IT'S THE SIGNAGE THAT, UH, YOU CAN SEE SPECS.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE GOT, UH, THROUGHOUT ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT WE GOT WITH SPECS.
BUT, UM, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AND THE CONCERN, UM, I THINK IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON, ON HEIGHTENING THE, THE, THE 48 INCHES TO
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POSSIBLY SIX MORE INCHES TO, TO 52 AND, AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OVER THE 50% MARK OF THE, THE MASONRY.UH, AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MASONRY, MASONRY AND STUCCO, UH, UH, WE GREW UP WITH MASONS AND THAT'S WHAT WE CALLED.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF, WELL, AND UH, SORRY, I REALIZE I DIDN'T ANNOUNCE MYSELF FURTHER.
I'M PIC I'M, I'M WITH CUATRO CONSULTANTS FOR THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UM, SO IT DOES ALLOW OBVIOUSLY FOR STUCCO AND DETAIL APPLICATIONS, WHICH IN THE, IN THE 35 I 35 DISTRICT OVERLAY, WHICH I REALIZE IS I THINK AT 30% MAX IS, WHICH Y'ALL WANNA SEE FOR DETAIL, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, WHICH I THINK SOME OF THIS EXCEEDS THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN YEAH.
WORK TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING, WE CAN, WE CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON THE SIDES AND, AND DO A LITTLE SIX INCHES OR SOMETHING.
MAYBE A COUPLE PILOTERS HOLLISTERS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S A, I THINK IT SAYS IT'S AN 87 FOOT LENGTH WALL, SO THERE'S, IT, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT ON THIS DRAWING HERE, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S, THERE'S CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT ROOM TO GET A LITTLE CREATIVE WITH IT.
UM, I THINK AS LONG AS STAFF HAS, HAS THE, THE FLEXIBILITY AND KIND OF SOME, SOME CLEAR DIRECTION, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT DONE.
UM, I WILL BE CLEAR ON THE SIGN, WE ARE NOT PERMITTING THE SIGN TONIGHT AS PART OF THIS.
UM, SO IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THAT LARGE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO MEET OUR SIGN CODE.
UM, SO KAYLA WILL, WILL LOOK AT THAT AS A SEPARATE PERMIT.
SO IT MAY BE THAT SIGN SHRINKS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR A COUPLE OF PIE LASTERS ON EACH SIDE.
UM, AND SO I THINK FOR, FOR STAFF, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO PIE LASTERS, UM, THEN I JUST NEED TO KNOW ARE WE ALSO GONNA TALK INCREASING WAINSCOATING OR IS THAT ONE OR THE OTHER? AND THEN DOES THE SCREEN WALL STAY AND STAY, GET SHORTENED BETWEEN THE PIE? LASTERS STILL FOR SOMATIC, JUST SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER.
AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A LOT AT THE DAIS, BUT I, I DO NEED SOME GENERAL KIND OF PARAMETERS.
I'LL PLAY ARCHITECT FOR A SECOND.
UM, MAYBE IF WE, THIS IS JUST A COMMENT.
MAYBE IF WE HAD TWO PY LASTERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SCREEN WALL AND THEN REDUCE THE SCREEN WALL TO FIT IN BETWEEN THERE AS SOME ADDITIONAL FEATURE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AS A GUIDELINE TO GO BY.
ANY COMMENTS TO THAT? OR JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GIVE A CLEAR DIRECTION ON PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE MORE OF IT AND MAKE IT LOOK.
I MEAN, YOU COULD JUST SAY YOU, YOU WANT 90, I MEAN
UH, I, I THINK I, I THINK YEAH, IT'S JUST, IF IT'S JUST ONE OR THE OTHER FOR, FOR US, I, I DON'T WANNA TRY AND GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ARCHITECT AND, AND GET SOMETHING THAT, THAT ISN'T IN Y'ALL'S VISION.
UM, I'D ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO, TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, BUT IF THIS ONE NEEDS TO COME BACK THEN, THEN UM, THEN MAYBE THIS ONE NEEDS TO COME BACK, UM, IF WE CAN'T GET SOME GOOD PARAMETERS ON ON THAT.
SO, UM, MY THOUGHTS ARE, I REALLY DON'T THINK PILOTERS WOULD ADD ANYTHING ON THAT SIDE THAT'S FACING 35 PILOTERS ARE, ARE FINE.
WE HAVE THEM ON OTHER SIDES OF THE BUILDING, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DRIVING BY ON THE PETER ROAD OR THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, I THINK THE GREEN WALL IS REALLY UNIQUE AND A VERY, UH, A VERY INTERESTING FEATURE TO, TO DRESS UP THIS WALL.
AND I ALSO LIKE THE KIND OF SUPPORT STRUCTURE CANOPY THAT GOES OVER IT.
UM, I THINK IT, IT FILLS THAT BLANK WALL NICELY.
AND I MEAN, MAYBE THE SIGNAGE WILL LOOK DIFFERENT OR BE SMALLER OR SOMETHING, BUT I THINK IT FILLS THE WALL NICELY AND IT'S A UNIQUE LOOK RIGHT THERE CLOSE TO THE INTERSTATE THAT WOULD MAKE MORE OF A STATEMENT ABOUT KYLE THAN PILOTERS.
SO I, I WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT WALL AT ALL.
THAT'S GONNA BE HOW I VOTE THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVE ANY, UH, JURISDICTION OVER, UH, GREEN SPACE AGAINST THE WALLS, GREEN SCREENS? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT, SIR? DOES CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER GREEN, OVER GREEN SCREENS? UH, YES, WE WOULD.
UM, SO IT IS PART OF REQUIRED LANDSCAPING.
SO JUST LIKE ANY LANDSCAPING THAT GETS INSTALLED, UM, UH,
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WHEN THOSE DIE, SAY STREET TREES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REPLACE THOSE.THAT'S PART OF THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.
UM, SO IF, IF WE, IF THEY DROVE BY AND SAW THAT, THAT A HAILSTORM CAME THROUGH AND THOSE WERE ARTIFICIAL FLOWERS AND THEY WERE JUST TORN UP, THEN WE WOULD SEND THEM A LETTER.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, BE REPLACED.
UH, WHETHER, AND AGAIN, WHETHER FAKE OR REAL, UH, WE HAVE THOSE STANDARDS ON PLANTINGS NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CODE OFFICERS JUST FYI, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE KYLE 3 1 1 DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
BUT IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING IN THEIR PURVIEW.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? I REALLY WANTED THE WHOLE WALL TO BE MASONRY, BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE WORKABLE WITH PY LASTERS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WHOLE WALLS MASONRY PERSONALLY.
AGAIN, FOR MYSELF, THERE'S A LOT OF FUSSINESS HERE TONIGHT OVER THESE PLANS, PARTICULARLY THIS ONE.
UM, AND I'M NOT FEELING PARTICULARLY CRANKY, BUT I DO FEEL THE FRICTION BETWEEN THE I 35 OVERLAY AND IN WHAT IS PUT IN FRONT OF ME, NOT JUST IN THIS CASE.
AND, UH, DO YOU, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO COME TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE AND SAY, WHAT IS THE CODE HERE? RIGHT? AND, AND I 35 OVERLAY APPLIES.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE DESIGN WOULDN'T BE DONE TO THAT PURPOSE.
AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT THEN IS, EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE, BUT FUSSING ABOUT GREEN WALLS AND, YOU KNOW, PY LASTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
THERE WAS MORE, UH, CONFORMITY WITH THE I 35, UH, OVERLAY.
ANYWAY, I, I HAPPEN TO KNOW, UM, OR RECALL DURING MY TIME HERE THAT WE, UH, APPROVED AN APPLICANT WHO HAS A PIZZA RESTAURANT UP NEAR KOHLER'S CROSSING AND I 35 FRONTAGE.
AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY, AND THAT'S A FAIRLY SMALL CHAIN, ALL RED BRICK.
UM, AND RED'S NOT MY PREFERENCE, FRANKLY, THAT'S JUST THE STYLE THING WITH ME, WAS RAISED WITH IT AND DON'T LIKE IT.
UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I THINK THAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S AN ISSUE HERE.
IF A SMALL GUY CAN DO IT, OTHER PEOPLE CAN DO IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS WHOLE THING.
I, YOU KNOW, SITTING HERE AND FUSSING AND IT'S NOT US.
IT'S NOT US NOT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S, I THINK WE GET BOXED INTO A CORNER HERE WHERE REALLY, UH, WE'RE LOSING SIGHT OF WHAT THE BIGGER PICTURE WOULD BE IN TERMS OF, UH, KYLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS, I WANNA TAKE THIS OUT, THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW GO.
WE'VE GOT A COMP PLAN, WE'VE GOT, UH, THE OVERLAY, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO INFORM US, AND PARTICULARLY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS TO HOW WE GO FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY.
AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT IF INCREMENTALLY WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING TR TREAD UPON THIS WAY.
I JUST DON'T, DON'T QUITE SEE IT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED TWO, UM, THREE I THINK IS, UH, MY LIMIT, FRANKLY.
UH, THESE ARE ALL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.
UM, YES, THERE ARE MANY THINGS YOU CAN'T CHANGE.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE 'EM ON YOUR PLAN THE WAY YOU PRESENT THEM IN EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY.
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, WHY ISN'T IT UNIQUE TO KYLE? BE A HARD GUY ABOUT IT.
IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN KYLE, CAN YOU NOT CONFORM TO WHAT THE KYLE STANDARDS ARE? NOW I KNOW THAT'S A HARD FOR SOME YEARS TO HEAR BECAUSE THIS IS A SITE THAT WOULD GENERATE THE RETAIL INCOME, BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE HAVE AN OVERLAY OR WE DON'T HAVE AN OVERLAY.
SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE, ON THE FLOOR TABLE CEILING.
UM, SO WE, WE CAN TAKE A VOTE OR WE CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSION.
UM, WE CAN, CAN I JUST TRY TO HELP, UH, FORMER CITY MANAGER SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH.
UM, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
UM, WE'RE PROBABLY SMALLER THAN THAT PIZZA PLACE THERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE A PRETTY SMALL, UH, UH, COMPANY.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU.
I, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IF, IF ALL BUILDINGS ALONG US, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORS ALSO WOULD, WOULD BASICALLY BE IN CONFORM.
AND, AND I THINK THIS IS AS CLOSE AS CONFORMING WITH OUR NEIGHBORING PLAZA TO THE SOUTH OF US.
UH, BUT WHATEVER THE COMMISSION DESIRES AT THIS POINT ON
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THIS ELEVATION, WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU AND, AND, AND SEE WHAT, UH, I MEAN INCREASING WORKING WITH STAFF TO INCREASE THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, MASONRY THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, GOING BACK ON MASONRY THAT WE, UH, ON, ON, ON THE, ON THE BRICK THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.I WOULD LOVE TO INCREASE IT WORK WITH STAFF.
IF YOU CAN GIVE THAT DIRECTION TO STAFF OR TO US.
UH, AT THIS POINT IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT I, I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO, TO BE IN THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND, UH, AND, AND GET TO THIS POINT.
BUT, UH, WE WORK WITH YOU, WHATEVER YOU GUYS, UH, CALL AT THIS POINT, BASICALLY.
WELL, UM, I KNOW IN ONE PARTICULAR INSTANCE WITH THE LOAD ON THE FOUNDATION, YOU CAN'T WORK WITH US BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A GIVEN, GIVEN THE DESIGN ENGINEERING AT THIS POINT.
SO WHAT COULD, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU COULD DO? I, I REALLY LIKE, CAN, CAN WE GO TO THAT? UH, I REALLY LIKE THAT GREEN SPACE.
I'M NOT TOO MUCH OF A GREEN GUY 'CAUSE I'M AN IN, UH, A CIVIL ENGINEER, SO I, I LIKE CONCRETE EVERYWHERE,
UH, BUT SHOWING WHAT WE GOT AND THEN PUTTING SOME PILE MASTERS THERE, UH, ADDITIONAL TO WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THEN WORKING WITH THE SIGN, UH, WHATEVER ORDINANCE OR CORD THAT YOU HAVE ON SIGNS, UH, JUST WORK AROUND IT BASICALLY.
BUT INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE THAT, I MEAN, MASONRY THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOTTOM FROM SIDE TO SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THAT'D BE GREAT.
THEORETICALLY, IF, WHY WOULD INCREASING THE MASONRY ON THIS SIDE OF THE WALL CHANGE THE FOUNDATION? WELL, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU'D SAID? IT, IT'S THE STRUCTURE OF THE FOUNDATION.
IT'S THE TRUCTURE FOUR SIDES, AND IT WOULD BE ON ALL FOUR SIDES AS WELL.
SO WE'RE TALKING INEXPENSIVE SOLUTIONS.
I, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING WITH WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? UH, YOU ASKED ME, SO I'M WORKING WITH YOU TO SEE IF WE CAN ADD SOME MORE, UH, MASONARY ERS, UH, YES.
GOING UP AND WORKING AROUND THE SIGN.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF, UH, STUCK WITH US FOR, STUCK WITH US FOR TIME.
WE'RE, WE'RE ALL TOGETHER STUCK ON THIS
AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO PRY MYSELF LOOSE OF THIS BY JUST SAYING THAT, UH, UH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SERATO REALLY, AS I'VE SEEN HIM SEEM TO AFFIRM TONIGHT THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT NOT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AT ALL.
UM, AND YOU'VE MADE AN APPEAL TO OTHER BUILDINGS AND DEVELOPMENTS NEARBY AS BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING US HERE.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS CREEP GOING ON AND, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF EITHER CHANGING THE OVERLAY OR SOMETHING MORE FROM A 30,000 FOOT STRATEGIC VIEW RATHER THAN THIS INCREMENTAL NI NIBBLING AWAY AT WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE.
UM, THAT'S MY GENERAL OPINION.
IT OBVIOUSLY APPLIES TO MANY MORE THINGS THAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME DECISION ABOUT THE MINIMUM OF WHAT WE WANT TONIGHT AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD VOTE ON.
SO, UM, THAT BEING THE CASE, UH, WE CAN HAVE A MOTION AND HAVE THAT SECONDED AND THEN VOTE UPON THAT.
WE'VE GOT ONE MORE BUILDING THOUGH.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT WAS DONE DIFFERENTLY IN THE OVERLAY.
YOU SEE, THIS IS THE SITUATION WE'RE IN AS A COMMISSION, AND, UH, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
AND I WOULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS, THAT THE, UH, MOTION BE, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION BE TABLED AT THIS TIME FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, JUST, UH, I I I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD WANT TO GO WITH TABLE.
UM, MAYBE POSTPONE IF YOU WANTED TO GO TO A FURTHER DATE.
I'M ASSUMING YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ARE IS YOU WANT TO SEE, SEE SOME CHANGES, UM, BUT Y'ALL JUST AREN'T SURE WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE AND WE CAN'T DO A TAP DANCING AROUND HERE ON THE FLOOR TONIGHT FROM THE DICE.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY ANY, ANY ACTION ON THIS ONE? BE, BE TABLED TO, UH, OR, I'M SORRY, POSTPONED TO ANOTHER DATE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LEGAL NOTICE REQUIREMENT ON THIS.
JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT KIND OF TABLING IT
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INDEFINITELY.I KNOW THAT, UH, WHAT I WOULD NOT LIKE IS BASICALLY HOLD BACK A PROJECT LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY GOING, GOING BACK TO SPECS AND TELLING THAT WE HOLD OFF ANOTHER, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN OPEN BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, WHAT I CAN OFFER IS BASICALLY JUST PUT SOME MORE MASONRY DOWN.
UH, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE SAME SCREEN.
WELL BASICALLY JUST, UH, IS THIS, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANNA SEE THE NO, THAT, THAT SAME, SAME ISSUE BECAUSE THIS IS ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? AM I CORRECT? SO, SO WHAT I LIKE TO OFFER IS JUST BASICALLY BRING THE MASONRY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GREEN SPACE, BASICALLY JUST COVER, COVER EVERYTHING, AND JUST WORK AROUND THE SIGN AGAIN AND LEAVE THAT, UH, STUCCO BASICALLY ONLY ABOVE THE ONLY WHERE THE SIGN IS BASICALLY RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT.
WELL, THERE'S SOME DEGREE OF TECHNICALITY TO THAT THAT I'M NOT SURE I COULD ADDRESS EXCEPT THE MOST GENERAL WAY, THE TECHNICALITY.
I CAN'T REALLY, UM, I WOULD PREFER TO THEN POSTPONE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS TILL OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING GIVE THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TIME TO WORK THROUGH THESE DETAILS WITHOUT HAVING TO TRY TO WORK IT OUT FROM THE DIOCESE AND THE PODIUM.
SO THAT WAS TO THE MOTION, RIGHT? SO I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO SECOND THIS AMENDMENT, WHICH IS ALMOST REPLACING THE ORIGINAL MOMENT, UH, MOTION.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES.
IF WE TABLE IT, WHAT ARE WE WANTING THEM TO COME BACK WITH IN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE WE'RE PRESENTED A, A BUILDING THAT'S BASICALLY 50% MASONRY.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE, THE STANDARD, IT WOULD BE, IT BASICALLY REDESIGNED IN THE ENTIRE FACADE OF THIS BUILDING.
OTHERWISE, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW WE COME BACK AND WE'RE HAVING A VERY SIMILAR CONVERSATION, HAVING EXCEPTIONS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT IT GENERALLY, THE OUTLINE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS CLEAR WITH THE PYLA GREEN SCREENS OR NOT.
WE'RE COMING UP, WE'RE REALLY STIFLED WITH ANY KIND OF INVENTION.
TWO WEEKS AT LEAST ALLOWS STAFF AND THEN US SOME FURTHER CONSIDERATION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND GO, OH YEAH, THAT WILL WORK.
WE, I'M JUST SUGGESTING WE CAN'T SOLVE THAT HERE NOW SO THAT WE ACTUALLY POSTPONE IT WITH DUE CONSIDERATION OF YOUR TIMETABLE FOR THE YEAR.
UM, I DON'T THINK TWO WEEKS HAS TO BE THAT COSTLY A, UH, DELAY IN MY VIEW.
SO IF, IF, UH, YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST THAT AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME, UM, BY ALL MEANS.
BUT, UH, I'M, AS YOU CAN ALL HEAR, I'M REALLY RATHER, UM, DISAPPOINTED AND TIRED OF BEING PUT IN THIS SITUATION, FRANKLY.
UM, SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE A SECOND? UH, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THE, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE OTHER PHOTO OF THE BUILDING, HOW IT HAS THOSE, UH, UH, LIKE THE STRIPS OF STONE LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD DO THAT ON THOSE SIDES? I CAN, AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO HOP.
UH, WORKING AROUND THE ACTUAL, KIND OF BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO THIS LOOK LIKE BIG BLOBS OF STUCCO.
YEAH, WE CAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU ALLOW ME, IF THIS IS PROOF TONIGHT, IF YOU ALLOW ME, I CAN COME UP WITH IT, SEND IT TO SPECS, PROVE IT, SEND IT BACK TO, TO UH, UH, STAFF AND WE GO FROM THERE.
I CAN, I CAN WORK WITH WORKING SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
WHAT DO I DO?
UH, THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BUILDING THREE AND IT WAS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE MODIFICATIONS, UM, TO THE FRONT ENTRY AND CAP TO ADD AND CAP MASONRY.
UH, AND IT DOES THAT MOTION I THINK DID GIVE STAFF THE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO WORK ON THAT.
SO I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU LIKE THE GREEN ONE, MORE COMP, MORE STONE OR A GOOD WILL PIE LASTERS AND THEY'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO CAN WE APPROVE THAT AND THEN CREATE A SECOND ONE TO ADDRESS THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING? OR DO WE AMEND THAT MOTION
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BECAUSE AMEND IT.SO THEN CAN I ASK TO AMEND THAT? GO FOR IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO INCREASE THE MASONRY ON BOTH SIDES.
PREFERABLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SIDE THAT HAS THE SPEC SIGN FULL MASONRY AND I WOULD BE SATISFIED SEEING PY LASTERS ON THE INTERIOR ELEVATION.
IF ANYONE CARES TO SECOND THAT, WOULD WE BE GETTING RID OF THAT GREEN SPACE IF WE WENT AHEAD AND DID MASONRY? I'M, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH THAT 'CAUSE THE MASONRY TO ME IS GONNA LOOK PRETTY.
IT'S YOUR AMENDMENT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLOSER TO THE STANDARDS TO ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY WITHOUT DELAYING IT TWO WEEKS AND STILL GET CLOSER TO WHAT OUR STANDARDS CALL FOR.
I DON'T, I STILL DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE QUITE THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S, I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR AND WE'VE APPROVED THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
THIS GETS IT PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT REVISION WE'VE ASKED FOR TODAY.
UM, AND I JUST, I, I FIND IT REASONABLE WHETHER WE HAVE THE GREEN SCREENS OR NOT.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION ON THEM TO BE HONEST.
I WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE PUT THEM THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE.
SO WE COULD, COULD WE JUST NOT VOTE ON THE GREEN SCREENS AND ALLOW IT UP TO THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE THAT DECISION? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A MODIFICATION THAT IS.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU, I THINK THE MOTION WAS 100% MASONRY ON THAT SIDE.
UM, YEAH, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A SECOND FOR THE AMENDMENT, BUT I, I THINK YOU CAN FURTHER AMEND TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT OPTIONS ON THE GREEN SCREENS IF, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT AS WELL.
BUT, BUT, UM, OR YOU CAN REVISE YOUR AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THERE E EITHER WAY, BUT YES, YOU HAVE OPTIONS.
WHAT WAS THE OPTION THAT I SO YOU'RE, IT DEFERRED TO THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THE GREEN SCREEN? YES.
SO ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE STAFF AND THE, YEAH, IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR AMENDMENT IS TO PREFERABLY TO HAVE, UM, THE, UM, EAST ELEVATION WITH THE SPEC SIGN INCLUDE MASONRY ON THE WHOLE THING.
IF NOT, YOU'D BE OKAY WITH THEM DUPLICATING SOME OF THE POLLERS THAT THEY HAVE ON, UM, THE OTHER TWO SIDES OF ELEVATIONS, BOTH ON, UH, THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS.
AND YOU'RE OPEN TO HAVING THE APPLICANT DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THE GREEN SCREEN WORKS FOR THEM WITH THE MODIFICATIONS AND CHANGES TO THE ELEVATIONS.
I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT MYSELF.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THE MOTION, UH, TO AMEND.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? YEAH, SECOND.
OKAY, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SERATO.
UH, WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE LONG MOTION AMENDMENT THAT I WILL NOT RESTATE
UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY ON THE, ON THE EAST WALL, EAST ELEVATION, EAST ELEVATION, CORRECT.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA SAY I, I DO NOT LIKE AN OPTION THAT DOESN'T HAVE GREEN SPACE ON THE WALL.
I THINK PILOTERS ON THAT WALL WOULD BE SNOOZE FEST ANYWHERE.
USAI THINK GREEN WALL IS FUN, FRESH, FUNKY, AND I WANT THE GREEN STUFF.
SO, UH, THIS MOTION WILL NOT BE ONE THAT I VOTE TO, UM, APPROVE THE AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT RISKS LOSING THAT GREEN WALL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON IT.
BUT THE REST OF THE GANG CAN OF COURSE DO AS THEY FEEL LED.
SO, SO IT WOULD GET LEFT OUT IN THE DETAILS.
THE GREEN WALL, YOU'RE AFRAID IT WOULD GET LEFT OUT? WELL IF THEY, THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED IS THAT IF WE CAN'T DO A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY ON THAT EAST ELEVATION, THAT PRI LISTERS WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE.
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AND THEN THE GREEN WALL IS DISCRETIONARY.YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S UP FOR, UP FOR, UM, THE JUDGMENT OF THE DESIGNER AND I WOULD JUST RATHER WELL KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.
WHAT IF, WHAT IF
I MEAN, THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I THINK WE EITHER PICK ONE OR THE OTHER.
I DON'T THINK PILOTERS ARE GONNA ADD ANYTHING HERE.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK TOO BUSY WITH THE GREEN WALL AND THE PILOTERS AND THE BIG SIGN.
I THINK THERE WOULD BE WAY TOO MUCH GOING ON ON THIS WALL.
THAT'S MY, UH, MY BRAIN, BUT I'M ONE VOTE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THAT AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED AMENDED MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY, LET'S VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE AMENDED, AMENDED MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT.
AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF WHAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS THAT WE ARE PERMITTED TO DISCUSS, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7 41.