May 27, 2025 City Council Regular Meeting

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WAS NO ACTION TAKEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. THERE WILL BE NO ACTION TAKEN NOW. MOTION TO

[I) Call Meeting to Order and Roll Call]

RIZZO. PRESENT. ZUNIGA. PRESENT. HARRIS. HERE. MCKINNEY. HERE. TOBIAS. PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. ALL

[II) Approval of Minutes]

ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER RIZZO, THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS DESCRIBED IS THE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. NEXT UP IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. PERIOD. AT

[III) Citizen Comment Period with City Council]

GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS PAUL HILL AND I AM A RESIDENT OF KYLE. PRIDE MONTH STARTS IN JUST A FEW DAYS, AND I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT THAT THERE WILL BE NO PRIDE MARKET DAYS THIS YEAR. THERE WAS ONE LAST YEAR. IT WAS A WELL ATTENDED EVENT AND I WAS THERE AND I HAD A GREAT TIME. IT PROBABLY IS NO SURPRISE TO ANY OF YOU THAT I'M A GAY MAN, BUT IT HAS BEEN A SURPRISE TO ME OVER THE LAST YEAR THE WAY THAT OUR ALLIES HAVE STOOD SILENT OR WALKED AWAY FROM US. AS THE NATIONAL AND LOCAL ENVIRONMENT HAS GOTTEN WORSE FOR LGBT PEOPLE. LAST YEAR I WAS VERY PROUD WHEN CITY COUNCIL, DESPITE DISGUSTING COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALSO FROM A FORMER MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY, WHO SAID THAT PRIDE IS JUST ABOUT CELEBRATING WHO WE HAVE SEX WITH AND WONDERED WHY THERE WAS NO STRAIGHT PRIDE. WELL, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT PRIDE MEANS TO ME. I GREW UP NOT KNOWING IF I WOULD BE ABLE TO MARRY THE PERSON THAT I LOVED, IF I COULD EVEN BE OUT. I WAS SCARED AND I WAS LONELY. I WAS TOLD THINGS LIKE I WAS DEMON POSSESSED, LIKE I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO HAVE A CAREER IF I WAS OUT. I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS JUST DOING THIS TO GET ATTENTION OR THAT I HAVE A DEATH WISH. LGBT PEOPLE ARE BULLIED, HARASSED, JAILED AND KILLED. THEY ARE KICKED OUT, DISOWNED AND PUSHED TO THE MENTAL HEALTH BRINK BY AN ONSLAUGHT OF GOVERNMENT ACTIVITY TARGETED AT US. PRIDE IS NOT A CELEBRATION OF WHO WE HAVE. SEX IS SEX WITH PRIDE IS A CELEBRATION OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE STILL HERE AND WE'RE GOING NOWHERE. I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO JUNE 26TH OF 2015. THAT'S THE DAY THAT MARRIAGE EQUALITY BECAME THE LAW OF THE LAND. I WENT DIRECTLY TO FOURTH STREET IN AUSTIN, WHICH IS THE GAY AREA IN AUSTIN, AND THERE WAS A CELEBRATION THERE THAT I'LL NEVER FORGET. AND IT WAS NOT A CELEBRATION OF SEX, BUT OF LOVE. IT WAS A CELEBRATION OF THE FACT THAT WE GOT TO LOVE WHO WE ARE, AND WE GOT TO LOVE OTHERS. RIGHT NOW, TEN YEARS AFTERWARDS, THINGS ARE SCARY. COMPANIES ARE WALKING AWAY FROM US. GOVERNMENTS ARE WALKING AWAY FROM US OR ACTIVELY HARMING US. PRIDE THEMED EVENTS AND PRODUCTS ARE DISAPPEARING, AND LGBT FOLKS ARE LEFT TO FEND FOR OURSELVES. BUT THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME ANY LESS GAY. DOES IT MAKE MY TRANS FRIENDS ANY LESS TRANS? AND WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. AND THAT'S WHAT PRIDE IS ABOUT. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHANGE COURSE. ALLYSHIP IS NOT ABOUT CONVENIENCE. ALLYSHIP IS ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT CONVENIENT, EVEN WHEN THERE'S POLITICAL PRESSURE NOT TO DO SO. I WAS SO PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL LAST YEAR WHEN YOU STEPPED UP FOR US, AND I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING AGAIN THIS YEAR. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHANGE YOUR MINDS AND HAVE ANOTHER PRIDE EVENT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY OTHER MARKET DAYS THAT

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SECONDLY, THE MEETING AGENDA, THIS MEETING AGENDA WAS MISLEADING AS THE ETHICS COMMISSION DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE ETHICS ATTORNEY REVIEW ALL COMPLAINTS FOR SUFFICIENCY PRIOR TO GIVING THEM TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED BY THE CURRENT ETHICS ATTORNEY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE GOT THE IDEA TO DO IT, BUT SHE DISMISSED FOUR OF THEM WITHOUT US EVEN SEEING IT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. IT MIGHT BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ETHICS COMMISSION WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE DISMISSED. BUT IT WASN'T HER JOB. SHE OVERSTEPPED.

AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S REALLY NECESSARY. IF IT'S OUTLINED WHAT LEGAL SUFFICIENCY IS IN THE CODE, THE ETHICS COMMISSION CAN DO THAT. WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY DOING IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE CHARGES OR IF SHE CHARGES BY THE CASE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT IT'S AN EXPENSE AT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE. LET ME SEE. OH, YEAH.

HAVING THAT WHERE AN OUTSIDE LAWYER LOOKS AT THE COMPLAINTS AND IT'S STATED THAT WAY AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT, FOUR OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISMISSED. I THINK IT IS LIKE COMPLAINT, ETHICS, COMPLAINT SUPPRESSION IN THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE RIDICULED. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE EMBARRASSED. THEY WANT TO JUST FILE THEIR COMPLAINT AS THEY SEE IT. AND THEY MAYBE NEEDED TO BE NEED TO BE GUIDED THROUGH IT, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE JUST SUMMARILY DISMISSED. SO LET ME SEE. AND I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO STRIVE TO, TO INCLUDE CITIZENS IN DECISION MAKING AND TO LISTEN TO THEM WHEN THEY MAKE COMMENTS. THANKS, GUYS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS YVONNE FLORESCU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS YVONNE FLORES KALE. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DISCUSS IS THE MARKET DAYS WITH THE PROGRESS, THE DIALOG FOR PEACE AND PROGRESS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD MAKEUP. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT OR OR EVEN WITHHOLD WHAT THE DIALOG WAS MEANT TO PRODUCE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO GET UP THERE AND TALK WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SHOPPING ON THE INSIDE, SO IF YOU GUYS COULD TRY TO SEPARATE THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PLUS TO THE COMMUNITY. RECENTLY, THE ETHICS COMMISSION MADE A UNANIMOUS DECISION TO PAUSE DISMISSALS TO AWAIT A THIRD PARTY ATTORNEY'S OPINION BEFORE ALLOWING THE ETHICS ATTORNEY TO CONTINUE DISMISSING COMPLAINTS. THIS MOVE BY THE COMMISSION SHOWS A COMMITMENT TO ENSURE THAT COMPLAINTS ARE TREATED FAIRLY AND THOROUGHLY, RATHER THAN BEING SWEPT UNDER THE RUG. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THE CITY AND ITS LEADERSHIP ARE COUNTING ON RESIDENTS NOT WATCHING THESE MEETINGS. IS IT REALLY THE COST? I DON'T THINK SO. THE CITY SPENT MILLIONS ON REAL ESTATE THAT CURRENTLY SITS UNUSED. SO WHAT EXACTLY ARE CITY ATTORNEY AMY ALCORN REED AND CITY MANAGER BRIAN LANGLEY TRYING TO COVER IT UP? IS IT THE ETHICALLY QUESTIONABLE MAKEUP OF THE CITY'S ETHICS COMMITTEE? A COUNCIL MEMBER NOMINATING A FRIEND TO OVERSEE THE ACTIONS OF THE VERY PERSON WHO NOMINATED THEM, SEEMS LIKE A BLATANT CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO ME. OR PERHAPS IT'S THE AFFAIR BETWEEN

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I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THE COMPLAINT AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA WILL BE HEARD, AND WHY IT HASN'T BEEN SCHEDULED. AND ABOUT ANOTHER SUBJECT THE ROUNDABOUTS, THE ROUNDABOUT FIRST POLICY. I WISH YOU GUYS WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND DETERMINE IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE POLICY. THE POLICY SHOULDN'T STATE ANY LAND WE CAN ACQUIRE ANYWHERE WE CAN ACQUIRE. CARMEL, INDIANA PLANNED

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IN OUR DAILY LIVES, IN OUR HOMES, WE ALL HAVE TO MAKE HARD CHOICES ABOUT HOW WE SPEND OUR MONEY. AND FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GO ON A VACATION THIS SUMMER WITH MY BEST FRIEND.

WE COULD GO HALVSIES, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR MY MENTAL HEALTH, WHEN I LOOK AT MY BANK ACCOUNT, WHEN I LOOK AT MY FORESEEN UPCOMING EXPENSES, I HAVE TO SAY NO, I CAN'T. I CAN'T DO IT. I HAVE TO MAINTAIN A FINANCIAL CUSHION IN MY ACCOUNT FOR EMERGENCIES. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN TEXAS WHO SHARE THAT APPROACH TO STEWARDING OUR RESOURCES. SO I WAS DISMAYED WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PRESENTATION FOR ITEM THREE, AND I SAW THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO FAST TRACK THE ISSUANCE OF THE CEOS, THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, RATHER THAN TO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SHOULD THOSE ISSUANCES STILL HAPPEN AND AT WHAT RATE IT WAS TO JUST PUSH EVERYTHING FORWARD TO GET BEFORE THIS HYPOTHETICAL DEADLINE OF A BILL THAT'S WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE TEXAS HOUSE RIGHT NOW. SO I, I FELT LIKE THEY WERE TRYING TO RECOMMEND WE SECURE FUNDING BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

JUST RUSH IN THERE WITHOUT REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE FOR THE CITY OR

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[IV) Agenda Order]

[3) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding pending legislative action which may impact the City’s planned issuance of Certificates of Obligation (debt) for tax-supported capital improvement projects. ]

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS STEPHANIE LIBBY. WITH NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT, WE SERVE AS THE CITY'S BOND COUNSEL. I'M GOING TO DEVIATE A LITTLE BIT FROM TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION AND START WITH KIND OF THE RATIONALE FOR THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU ALL.

AND TO LET YOU KNOW THAT BASED ON CURRENT LEGISLATION, BILLS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE AND BILLS THAT HAVE PASSED AND ARE ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK WAITING FOR HIS SIGNATURE TO BECOME EFFECTIVE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE DISCRETION THAT WE WERE SEEKING FROM YOU ALL TONIGHT IS NO LONGER NEEDED, AND THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO PROCEED WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF FINANCE. SO THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WOULD BE WHAT WE BRING BEFORE COUNCIL WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT WEEK WITH THE NOTICE OF INTENT FOR THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THERE WERE BILLS THAT WERE PENDING WHICH WOULD

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THERE WE GO. SO AS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED. OH, SORRY. OKAY. AS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED, KENSINGTON PARK WOULD BE FUNDED OVER A THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD. THE PROPOSED ANIMAL SHELTER WOULD ALSO BE PROPOSED, WOULD BE FUNDED OVER A THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD. THEN WE ALSO HAD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER PARK IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN CO ISSUANCE. THE CHANGE OF LAW THAT WAS PROPOSED UNDER SOME OF THE PENDING LEGISLATION WOULD EFFECTIVELY LEAVE THOSE PROJECTS ABANDONED OR WITHOUT A FUTURE FUNDING MECHANISM IDENTIFIED. SO YOU WOULD HAVE AN ISSUANCE OF OBLIGATIONS TO BEGIN A PROJECT, BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE CERTAINTY IN THE FUTURE ABOUT THE ABILITY TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL OBLIGATIONS TO BRING THOSE PROJECTS TO COMPLETION. AND SO THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAD WORKED THROUGH BOND STRUCTURES FOR BOTH THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS AND THE STREET BONDS THAT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE CITY TO FUND THOSE PROJECTS IN ITS TOTALITY, SO THAT THE PROJECTS WOULD NOT BECOME EFFECTIVELY ABANDONED IF THERE WERE A CHANGE OF LAW WITHOUT HAVING A TAX RATE IMPACT ON THE CITY. BECAUSE THESE, AGAIN, THESE ISSUANCES ARE BUILT INTO THE CAPITAL PLAN TO FULLY FUND THE PROJECTS. SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT BEHIND TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION WAS TO PUT THE CITY IN THE BEST PLACE MOVING FORWARD TO FULLY FUND THESE PROJECTS. BUT AS I KIND OF LED THE PRESENTATION STATE SAYING, BASED ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, BILLS THAT ARE STILL PENDING AND CAN BE PASSED AND BILLS THAT HAVE ALREADY PASSED, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT ANY SIMILAR PROVISIONS OR CHANGES OF LAW WOULD OCCUR BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF SESSION. THAT WOULD HAVE THE SAME IMPACT OF LEAVING THOSE PROJECTS IN AN ABANDONED STATE. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. I HOPE I PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT RELATED TO THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AND WHAT STAFF BOND COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR WERE INTENDED TO ACHIEVE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS LIBBY? ALL

[16) (First Reading) Consider approval of an ordinance approving the redistricting of the City's single-member City Council Districts; and establishing new district boundary lines for Kyle City Council elections for City Council Places 2, 4, and 6, based on the 2020 Census data.]

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ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS? COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS. YES, SIR. OKAY. OVER THE WEEKEND I STARTED TO DISSECT AGAIN, JUST TO LOOK AT IT FOR LIKE THE FIFTH OR SIXTH TIME ALREADY. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLANNING PLAN B, I KNOW IF YOU GO WITH PLAN A, WE'RE KIND OF STICKING TO MOSTLY THE SAME FORMAT ESPECIALLY. BUT WHEN YOU GET UP TO THE MARKETPLACE AREA NOW, I KNOW IF YOU GO WITH PLAN B, YOU'RE YOU'RE BASICALLY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY TAKEN AWAY FROM DISTRICT SIX. YOU'RE EXPANDING OUT DISTRICT FOUR TO MARKETPLACE AND ALSO TO PHYSICIANS WAY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FURTHER DOWN. BUT ON THE OVERALL, I THINK THE REASON WHY THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD WAS TO SEE WHERE OUR REPRESENTATION LIED. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU GAVE US FROM THE CENSUS POPULATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CENSUS FOR THE VOTING AGE POPULATION, IT SEEMS THAT PLAN B IS GOING TO BE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE VOTING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOODS FOR DISTRICT SIX. IN THAT SENSE THERE. AND YOU ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL VOTING POPULATION IN DISTRICT FOUR AND IN DISTRICT TWO, YOU WOULD HAVE MORE OF THE BUSINESSES. SO IT'S KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE KIND OF DEAL THAT I LOOKED AT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M ON MY FINAL TERM BECAUSE I'LL BE TERMED OUT AFTER THIS SERIES HERE. SO I'M LOOKING FOR WHEN THE NEXT DISTRICT SIX MEMBER COMES ON BOARD, WHERE THEIR REPRESENTATION LIES ON THAT END.

AND AS YOU GO UP MORE NORTH NORTHEAST, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'LL BE SOME DEVELOPMENT UP THERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN RIZZO'S CONCERNS BECAUSE, YES, WE ARE BEHIND ON THE GAME ON THIS. WE ARE MOVING THE NUMBERS AROUND AS FAR AS REPRESENTATION. AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS THAT SAID THAT DISTRICT FOUR WOULD LOOK LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE OF A POWERHOUSE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OUTLINING OF THE ENTIRE AREA VERSUS DISTRICT TWO AND SIX, BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THAT AREA IS STILL UNDEVELOPED FOR RIGHT NOW. SO WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF FOCUS ON THE REPRESENTATION NOT ONLY FROM THE BUSINESS AND THE RETAIL SIDE, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAP A AND MAP B WHEN IT COMES TO THE VOTING, OR IS THERE A LARGE SIGNIFICANCE OF POPULATION THAT WOULD BE REPRESENTED HISPANIC, BLACK VERSUS THE WHITE POPULATION IN IN DISTRICT FOUR? IF WE'RE TAKING DISTRICT FOUR IN ISOLATION? YES. I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE VERY CLOSE. THEY ARE HISPANIC VOTING AGE POPULATION. AND PLAN B IN DISTRICT FOUR IS 35.84%. IN PLAN A, IT'S 36.49.

SO IT'S LESS THAN A PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE. THAT'S ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS THAT CAME OUT, IS

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MOTIONS. QUESTION. BOTH OF THE MAPS SATISFY THE POPULATION CENSUS DATA. THAT'S WHY YOU CARVED THEM OUT THIS WAY. YES. THEY'RE BOTH UNDER THE 10% DEVIATION WHICH IS ALLOWED BY THE CONSTITUTION. AND IN PLAN B JUST TO THE COUNCIL. I REMEMBER SOME OF US WHO WERE HERE, WE WERE DESIGNING, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE ALL THE DISTRICTS UP, HAVE AN INVESTED INTEREST IN THE DOWNTOWN AND IN THE GROWTH OF EVERY DISTRICT. IN TERMS OF THE RETAIL. I DO LIKE PLAN B BECAUSE IT DOES. YOU KNOW, THE STEEPLECHASE AREAS, YOU KNOW, IN PLAN A, IT BELONGS IN DISTRICT SIX. BUT MANY RESIDENTS, THEY THEY ASSUME THAT THEY'RE, THAT IT'S A DISTRICT TWO IS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. SO. THAT THAT WAS THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I HAD FAVORED PLAN B. I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS MORE EQUAL IN EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER NOW HAS, YOU KNOW, A STRONGER VESTED INTEREST IN BUILDING UP THE CITY FOR THE BEST RETAIL AND HOUSING THAT WE CAN FIND. SO. I STILL LIKE PLAN B, IT'S JUST A LITTLE TWEAKS OVER PLAN A, BUT, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO DO WHAT THE MAJORITY IS LOOKING AT HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OPTION TWO ORDINANCE, APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT THE PLAN B MAP. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR HARRIS, THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16

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[21) (First Reading) Consider approval of an ordinance amending Chapter 2, Article IV of the City's Code of Ordinances to adopt amendments to the City's Code of Ethics, based on the recommendation of the Ethics Commission on May 7, 2025.]

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OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE THERE OKAY. THANK YOU I YIELD MAYOR. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCILMAN HARRIS. ACCORDING TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, ALL COMPLAINTS ARE FORWARDED TO THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? YES, ACCORDING TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THE COMPLAINTS ARE FORWARDED TO THE COMMISSION. HOWEVER, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE INTERPRETATION OF B6 THAT THE ETHICS COMPLIANCE OFFICER IS CURRENTLY CHARGED WITH REVIEWING FOR LEGAL SUFFICIENCY. BUT IT COULD STILL BE FORWARDED TO THE COMMISSION, EVEN IF THE ETHICS OFFICER SAYS THAT IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE SUFFICIENT. I THINK THAT'S THE CLARITY WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE. YEAH, I THOUGHT SO. THE ORDINANCE CLEARLY STATES WHAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THE COMPLAINT AND HOW IT'S TO BE SIGNED. AND TO ME, THAT'S VERY CLEAR. I REALIZE IF THAT IS NOT THERE, THEN THE COMPLAINT NEEDS TO BE RETURNED, PERHAPS JUST BY THE CITY SECRETARY, BUT RETURNED FOR COMPLETION RATHER THAN JUST BEING TURNED AWAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE THAT IF IT'S NOT PROPERLY SWORN, IT IS RETURNED BY THE CITY SECRETARY. WE DON'T WANT THE CITY SECRETARY TO MAKE JUDGMENTS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE COMPLAINT STATES A VALID VIOLATION. NO, YOU DON'T, AND THAT'S MY POINT.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT THE ANYONE OTHER THAN THE COMMISSION STATING RATHER THAT COMPLAINT HAS VALIDITY BEFORE THEY'VE HEARD IT. AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE REASONS BEHIND US WANTING TO CHANGE THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. BUT I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE HEARING THOSE COMPLAINTS. THAT'S THEIR JOB. IT'S THEIR PRIVILEGE TO HEAR THOSE. SO I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO CHANGING THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ZUNIGA. I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER, DOCTOR LAWLEY. YEAH, THIS IS A BIT PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IF WE IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSES, IT ACTUALLY ENABLES BAD ACTORS THAT ARE IN OFFICE TO MISUSE AND ABUSE. POTENTIALLY THEIR POSITION. SO HOW? BECAUSE THERE'S LESS SAFEGUARDS FOR PEOPLE TO TRANSMIT COMPLAINTS? BECAUSE NOW THERE WOULD BE AN ETHICS ATTORNEY WHO WOULD USE HER OWN DISCRETION TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS BAR OF LEGAL SUFFICIENCY IS MET BY THE COMPLAINANT. AND THIS WOULD BE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. IT'D BE SUBJECTIVE, AND IT TAKES AWAY

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SO SOMEONE HAS A RIGHT TO FILE COMPLAINT ON ANY ELECTED MEMBER. THEY CAN FILE THEM ON ME. YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO IS THAT THERE'S ALREADY A CLAUSE IN FILING ETHICS COMPLAINTS THAT THEY THEY SHOULD NOT BE FRIVOLOUS. SO IF YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY FILING SOMETHING FRIVOLOUS, YOU'RE ALREADY A PENALTY FOR DOING THAT. SO I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD BE DOING THAT JUST TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PROVE THE CODE, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE CODE. AND SO THERE'S NOT A REASON WHY SOMEONE WOULD JUST CREATE LEGAL SUFFICIENCY IS ASKING THEM TO DO IS TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION. RIGHT. SO WE REALLY DON'T NEED THIS THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE ETHICS CODE ALREADY HAS ENOUGH ROBUSTNESS IN THERE THAT IT PROHIBITS ANY TYPES OF BAD, BAD FAITH ATTEMPTS. WELL, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT MAKING IT HARDER FOR, FOR BAD ACTORS TO, TO, TO, TO STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THIS IS JUST ACTUALLY MAKING IT EASIER FOR BAD DEALS TO BE DONE BY ELECTED MEMBERS.

SO WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS YOU AS THE ATTORNEY TO BRING FORWARD ETHICS ORDINANCES THAT WILL IMPROVE UPON PENALIZING BAD ACTORS. AND THIS DOES NOT DO THAT. THIS ACTUALLY MAKES IT EASIER, IN MY VIEW, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE JUST STRAIGHT OUT DISMISSING ANY COMPLAINT BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW THEY DIDN'T MEET LEGAL SUFFICIENCY, AND THEN IT'S KEPT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. SO NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE SEES WHETHER THAT WAS REALLY A COVER UP. JUST A COUPLE NOTES TO THAT. ONCE IT'S DISMISSED, IT'S PUBLIC. SO IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT REMAIN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DISMISSED. IT'S NOW PUBLIC. AND TWO, AGAIN, WHEN IT'S DISMISSED, THE ATTORNEY WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION AS TO WHY IT WAS DISMISSED AND ALLOW THE PERSON TO THEN REFILE. SO IT GIVES THEM MORE INFORMATION THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO HELP THEM REFILE IT AS WELL. AND IT WOULD GET REFILED AND THEN WOULD BE ACCEPTED IF THEY REFILE IT IN A WAY THAT ADEQUATELY STATES A VIOLATION OF THE ETHICS CODE. THE IDEA BEING, IF SOMEONE FILED A COMPLAINT SAYING THAT COUNCILMAN TOBIAS'S TIES WERE TERRIBLE, THEN NOW WE'RE PUTTING

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RIGHT. BUT MY ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY LOOSE OF THIS IS CHARTER VIOLATION.

THIS IS ETHICS VIOLATION PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH ONES THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE. SO THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS. OUR GOVERNMENT RUNNING OR LEADERSHIP RUNNING.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE JURISDICTION THE CODE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT THAT WEAKENS THINGS THAT ARE VALID FROM MOVING FORWARD. AND BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BREAK INTEGRITY OF. AND SO I SEE THAT HAPPENING BY APPROVING THIS TYPE OF ORDINANCE, I UNDERSTAND. SO MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH. SO I TRULY DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU THINK THAT IF AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY WHO HAS NO CONNECTION TO NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US UP HERE, THEY'RE PAID FOR BY THE CITY, IF THEY ARE GOING TO DISMISS A COMPLAINT BASED ON THE BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T COMMIT A VIOLATION PER OUR ETHICS CODE, HOW THAT ENABLES PEOPLE UP HERE TO COMMIT CRIMES OR VIOLATIONS, THAT MAKES LITERALLY ZERO SENSE. IT PROTECTS THE BOARD, THE ETHICS COMMISSION, FROM WASTING ITS TIME BECAUSE SOMETHING DOESN'T MEET THE LEVEL OF A VIOLATION. SO IN IN ESSENCE, I THINK THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW ACTUALLY AFFORDS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO FILE FRIVOLOUS COMPLAINTS AND WASTE THE TIME OF AN ATTORNEY AND THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE, THE BAR OF AN ACTUAL VIOLATION, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN HAPPEN THUS FAR TO THIS POINT. SO YOU'RE SAYING A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT LIKE HOLD ZERO WATER WHATSOEVER, AND WE JUST SAW IT PLAY OUT IN FRONT OF US, AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT YOU. I MEAN, WHAT YOU SAID HERE TONIGHT, BUT CAN I JUMP IN? BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THOUGH, MR. HEIZER, THE ETHICS ATTORNEY, IS HIRED BY A AGENCY THAT THE CITY IS PAYING. SURE. SO WHY WOULD SOMEONE COMPROMISE A FINANCIAL? YOU KNOW, BENEFIT BY NOT HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE WHO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE THAT CUT OFF THEIR PAYCHECK? BASICALLY, SURE. THE PEOPLE IN THE CROWD WERE MAKING THAT SAME ARGUMENT. AS YOU ARE ALSO SAYING THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION IS BIASED BECAUSE WE APPOINT THEM. SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? WHAT TO WHAT'S THE POINT THERE? I THINK ALL COMPLAINTS SHOULD BE SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. THEN WHY HAVE IT AT ALL? LET'S JUST SEND IT STRAIGHT TO THE A.G. SOMEONE WHO KNOWS NONE OF US. WELL, WE SHOULD CALL THE A.G. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK. YOU JUST HANG ON. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCILMEMBER MCKINNEY. OKAY? MCKINNEY. GO AHEAD. I, I SINCERELY HOPE THAT I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US WHEN I SAY THAT NOBODY WANTS A SINCERE ETHICS VIOLATION TO SQUEAK THROUGH THE CRACKS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE QUESTION IS, WHO IS MOST QUALIFIED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS A AN ETHIC, AN ACTUAL ETHICS VIOLATION BASED ON OUR WRITTEN OUT ETHICS CODE? AND I HAVE TO DEFER TO A PAID ATTORNEY EXPERT'S OPINION OVER, YOU KNOW, THE APPOINTED RESIDENTS. I FEEL LIKE THE QUALIFICATION OF AN ATTORNEY IS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT IS A VIOLATION, WHAT IS NOT A VIOLATION. IT HAS TO CARRY A LITTLE MORE WEIGHT THAN ANYBODY WHO'S NEVER SPENT A DAY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OVER LEGAL DOCUMENTS, NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF OUR ETHICS COMMITTEE WHO HAVE A LEGAL BACKGROUND, BUT THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK LONG TERM.

BIG PICTURE. WHO DO I WANT MAKING THAT CALL? SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE EVERY ETHICS

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YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE TO GO WITH THAT. AND IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE, WE DON'T NEED TO WASTE SOME APPOINTEES, NOT NOT ELECTED PEOPLES TIME. SO I YIELD IF I COULD JUST INTERRUPT FOR JUST TWO MINUTES. OKAY. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. IT COMES TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION ITSELF. DO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE APPOINTING INDIVIDUALS, OR DO WE NEED TO OPEN UP TO A BOARD AND COMMISSION PROCESS LIKE WE DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE? SO THAT IS IN THE CHARTER, COUNCILMAN TOBIAS. OKAY. THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION HAS DISCUSSED IT. THEY'RE CURRENTLY RECOMMENDING LEAVING IT THE SAME WAY THAT IT IS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW. I KNOW A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT WE APPOINT THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CHARTER, WE CANNOT CHANGE IT AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. YEAH. SO THERE'S THAT POLICY, THE PROCESS THERE, BECAUSE IT'S WHO'S IN MY DISTRICT, WHO'S MY AREA. MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WE NEED TO GROW UP AND MOVE ON FROM THAT PROCESS THERE. SECOND THING WOULD BE, AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF IN THE SITUATION TO WHERE WE'VE HAD GONE THROUGH SOME ETHICS ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE MEMBERS HERE ON DAIS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS LONG TERM GUYS. I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS THE NEXT MAYOR'S AS THE NEXT FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS. HOW CAN WE GO WITH THAT PROCESS? AND I KIND OF MAYBE NOT AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN HEIZER, ABOUT THE BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER, THE COMMISSION TOGETHER AND WASTING THEIR TIME. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE APPOINTED FOR. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. THAT'S WHY THEY CHOSE TO ACCEPT THE NOMINEE TO GO THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES. IF IT IF IT MEANS THAT IF THERE IS A ETHICS VIOLATION OR A POSSIBLE VIOLATION, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS ABOUT X, Y, AND Z. THIS IS WHAT IT IS MAYBE YOU FORWARDED THROUGH. MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET, BUT YOU GET THEM AN OFFICIAL NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A COMPLAINT BE ON THE HORIZON FOR THAT. AND THEN YOU DO YOUR DILIGENCE ON THAT END TO JUSTIFY WAS THERE A MORAL ISSUE THAT WENT ALONG WITH IT? WAS THERE AN ETHICS VIOLATION? WAS THIS PERSON SEEN RUDE OR UNPROFESSIONAL IN PUBLIC, OR WERE THEY POSTING SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OFFENSIVE AND SO FORTH? SECOND THING WOULD BE, WERE THEY POSSIBLY DOING ANY KIND OF CIVIL OR ILLEGAL ACTS OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW FOR IT? BUT I THINK GOING BACK TO WHERE WE HAVE TO STILL INFORM THE COMMISSION THAT THERE WAS A COMPLAINT FILED, I THINK JUST NOTIFYING THEM AND THEN IF WE NEEDED, IF THERE A MEETING WAS TO BE CALLED, THEN THERE'S THAT PROCESS THERE. BUT I KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU'RE GETTING AT AS FAR AS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLAINT, THE PERSON THAT COMES TO YOUR DESK AND COMES TO YOUR OFFICE AND FILES A COMPLAINT. NUMBER ONE, DO YOU SEE THAT PERSON IN PERSON? AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT NOTARIZED? CORRECT. SO IT IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO BE NOTARIZED. IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE NOTARIZED IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE SO THEY CAN GET IT NOTARIZED SOMEWHERE ELSE. OKAY. SO THEY CAN GET IT NOTARIZED SOMEWHERE ELSE WITH THE CITY SECRETARY IN A NOTARIZED FORM. OKAY. SO IF THAT COMPLIANCE OFFICER RECEIVES THAT AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS ON HOW IT WOULD GO, THEY WOULD RECEIVE THAT COMPLAINT. THEY THEN CONTACT THE PERSON DIRECTLY TO GET MORE INFORMATION OR JUST LOOK AT IT AND DISMISS IT. AND THEN WHEN IT GETS OPEN, NUMBER THREE, WHEN IT GETS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, IS IT PUBLICLY POSTED SOMEWHERE TO WHERE RESIDENTS CAN REVIEW IT? SO CURRENTLY I'M GOING TO START WITH THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT ONE MOST CLEARLY IN MY HEAD CURRENTLY. ONCE IT'S DISMISSED, THE DISMISSAL IS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE COMPLAINT ITSELF IS NOT. HOWEVER, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO REQUEST IT THROUGH PIA, THEY WOULD RECEIVE ANY PART OF IT THAT'S NOT OTHERWISE CONFIDENTIAL BY LAW.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT HAS A EMPLOYEES PHONE NUMBER IN IT, THAT PHONE NUMBER IS GOING TO GET REDACTED ADDRESS AND ALL THAT STUFF. OKAY, OKAY. OR IF THERE'S SOMEONE HAS ATTACHED A CONFIDENTIAL EMAIL TO THE BACK, THAT EMAIL WILL GET SENT OFF TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THAT SORT OF THING. AND THEN I THINK I'M TRYING TO KIND OF INTERPRET YOUR BRAIN HERE. I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE LIKE A HYBRID METHOD WHERE THE COMMISSION IS STILL INFORMED, BUT THE ETHICS COMPLIANCE OFFICER WOULD THEN STILL DO THE ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE COMPLAINT WAS SUFFICIENT AND JUST TELL THE COMMISSION IT WAS NOT. AND THEN MAYBE I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING. MAYBE THE IDEA IS THAT IF A COMMISSIONER DISAGREED, THEY COULD REQUIRE A MEETING BECAUSE THE COMMISSION CAN'T ACT WITHOUT A MEETING. AND UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, IF ONLY THE COMMISSION CAN DISMISS COMPLAINTS, WE HAVE TO HOLD A MEETING AND WE HAVE TO HOLD A MEETING WITHIN 90 DAYS, PERIOD. KIND OF LIKE AN IA INVESTIGATION. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR IDEA IS TO DO THE HYBRID. THE ATTORNEY GETS TO DECIDE, BUT THE COMMISSION CAN BE NOTIFIED.

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HOWEVER YOU WORD IT. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE IT'S AT AND SO FORTH, WE DO FIND SIGNIFICANT GROUNDS TO HOLD A HEARING OR A MEETING ON THAT. AND THEN THEY CAN THEN REVIEW IT AND THEN DECIDE IF IT NEEDS TO GO FURTHER ON THAT END, BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL INVOLVING THE PUBLIC, YOU'RE STILL LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT, HEY, THERE WAS A BOARD MEMBER OR COUNCIL MEMBER OR CITY STAFF OR WHATEVER IT WAS THAT HAD A GRIEVANCE THAT WAS FILED ON THEM. BUT IT'S MORE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE AGAIN, THEN IT ALSO SHOWS FOR THAT PERSON THAT'S BEING FILED ON THAT IT'S BEING OPEN OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND TO THAT TO ANY KIND OF SCRUTINY. BECAUSE AGAIN, PEOPLE GET ATTACKED ON SOCIAL MEDIA ALL THE TIME. I DO THINK THIS IS A BALANCE THAT MAYBE IS DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE AND BREATHE IN OUR DAILY LIVES TO SEE. THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN ENSURING THAT ALL COMPLAINTS CAN BE FILED AND HEARD, AND ALSO ENSURING THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR OFFICIALS IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST SOMETHING THAT THAT ISN'T A VIOLATION, WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET UP AND SAY LIKE, NO, MY TIES ARE GREAT. I LOVE THEM, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF THE ETHICS CODE. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I STRONGLY SUGGEST IF THE COMMISSION IS OUT THERE WATCHING TO MAYBE LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF LOOKING AT CHANGING THE ETHICS COMMISSION BOARD PROCESS TO GOING TO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION SELECTION PROCESS VERSUS APPOINTING. WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. THANK YOU. I THINK WE ARE MEETING AGAIN NEXT WEEK.

IT'S TIME TO GRADUATE FROM ALL THAT. YEAH. COUNCILMAN RIZZO I. LOTS TO DIGEST. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO START OFF IS ADDRESSING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE OUT HERE. COUNCILMAN ZUNIGA BROUGHT UP A POINT. WHAT DOES HAPPEN TO SOMEBODY THAT FILES A COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT? COMPLAINT? AND THERE'S NO MERIT BEHIND THEM? WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE? BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE WAS A CONSEQUENCE TO THAT. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A VEXATIOUS COMPLAINANT, PART OF OUR ORDINANCE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO ADDING. WHAT WE HAVE IS A FRIVOLOUS COMPLAINT. SO IF WHEN A COMPLAINT IS FILED, THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT THAT COMPLAINT IS FRIVOLOUS, THEN THE PERSON GETS CALLED UP TO BASICALLY DEFEND THEMSELVES AND ARGUE THAT IT'S NOT. AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SOME SANCTIONS ATTACHED, BUT I HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE TO REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THERE. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS MORE OF A VEXATIOUS. SO IF YOU HAVE A HABIT OF CONSTANTLY FILING COMPLAINTS, AND THOSE COMPLAINTS ARE OFTEN FOUND TO BE FRIVOLOUS BY THE COMMISSION, THEN PERHAPS THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY OF MAKING A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM FILING COMPLAINTS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, OR REQUIRE THE COMPLAINTS TO BE PRE-CLEARED BY SOME BODY OR SOME PERSON, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW. SO IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ON A COMPLAINT BY COMPLAINT BASIS.

HONESTLY, WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO THE CITY IS PROBABLY THE BEST OF INTENTIONS. IS HAVING THIS IN THERE TO KEEP ALL THE ELECTEDS AND HAVE THAT POWER TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM ACCOUNTABLE, RIGHT? I THINK THE BEST OF INTENTIONS WERE IN HERE. UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE MISUSED THE BEST OF INTENTIONS SOMETIMES, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. I THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT OUR EARLY LEADERS SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP COUNCIL ACCOUNTABLE. AND IT'S JUST A GREAT THING TO DO, KEEP COUNCIL ACCOUNTABLE. LET'S KEEP EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE. BUT WHEN YOU MISUSE SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THAT FINE LINE WHERE WE'VE GOT TO FIX THE PROBLEM. RIGHT. I MEAN IT'S SAD THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SO GOOD GETS MISUSED SOMETIMES. AND WHAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO IS IMPROVE THAT. AND I'M LIKE, REALLY? IT SHOULD BE ON ONE SELF FILE, SOMETHING THAT HAS HAS MERIT. IF THERE'S REALLY A COMPLAINT OUT THERE, GET IT DONE. I MEAN I'M ALL FOR THAT. IF SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG, LET'S DO IT. BUT TO ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY UP HERE IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG, I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT. I DO THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO SERVE MY CITY. I DO THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SERVING THE CITY FOR 30 YEARS. I'VE BEEN SERVING IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES IN DIFFERENT CHARITIES. I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE TO SOMEBODY SAYING THAT WE'RE DOING BAD THINGS BECAUSE, LOOK, I COULD BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S THE PICTURE YOU WANT TO PAINT. NO, NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT ASSUMING THAT ABOUT YOU. NO, DON'T DON'T PAINT THAT PICTURE. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID RIGHT NOW. YOU SAID THAT YOU CAN'T GO ONE ON ONE. YOU JUST KEEP KEEP IT MAKING STATEMENTS, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU CAME IN. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE STATEMENT WAS.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M HERE TO SERVE AND THAT'S IT. I MEAN, IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG. YEAH.

FILE A COMPLAINT ON ME. THERE'S PROOF. YEAH, FILE A COMPLAINT ON ME. BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I'M JUST ONE IN A ROLE OF SERVICE. AND THAT'S ALL I'M DOING UP HERE. WHEN IF I DON'T GET REELECTED, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I CAN GO ON AND I CAN VOLUNTEER SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT, BUT THAT THAT'S KIND OF VEXED ME RIGHT NOW. WHEN I HEARD THAT, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, JUST I'M, I DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE VOTERS. AND

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RIGHT? I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. IT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE NO DEFINITION OF LEGAL SUFFICIENCY OF THE COMPLAINT WITHOUT SPECIFICALLY ALLEGING EVERY FACT NECESSARY TO ALLEGE TO ALLEGE A VIOLATION. SO THE COMPLAINT REQUIRES YOU TO LIST WHAT YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE MIGHT FILE A COMPLAINT THAT SAYS THAT. I SAW THE CITY ATTORNEY AT COSTCO ON THURSDAY. WELL, THEY MAY NOT NOTICE THAT I WAS AT COSTCO ON MY LUNCH BREAK, AND THEY MAY THINK THAT'S A VIOLATION BECAUSE I'M USING PERSONAL SHOPPING TIME ON WORK TIME. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

THEY DIDN'T ALLEGE WHAT TIME THEY SAW ME. THEY DIDN'T ALLEGE THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON DUTY, AND THEY JUST SAID COSTCO ON THURSDAY. THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS TO GO TO THE ETHICS ATTORNEY BECAUSE IT HAS EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED BY COMPLAINT. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE LEGALLY SUFFICIENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DETAILS. WELL, TO MAKE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE ATTORNEY BEING ABLE TO DENY THAT RATHER THAN ASK FOR THE INFORMATION THAT IS MISSING IN ORDER TO PLACE IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

I STILL THINK THAT MAYBE I SEE THAT IS THE SAME JOB. MAYBE I SEE THAT AS THE SAME THING. THE IDEA IS YOU DISMISS IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT PROHIBITED FROM REFILING AND SO THEN THEY CAN REFILE IT WITH THE MISSING FACTS. IT DOESN'T GET DISMISSED. IT'S JUST THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY

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YEAH, I THINK SO. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE IF THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THEIR PHONE NUMBER OR THEIR ADDRESS IS REQUIRED, OR WOULD IT ONLY IF IT'S A FACTUAL ISSUE. THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS IN ORDER TO FILE A COMPLAINT, IF THOSE ARE THERE, THEN THE ETHICS ATTORNEY CERTAINLY CAN MAKE AN OPINION ON WHETHER THIS IS AN ETHICAL VIOLATION OR IF THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE EVEN. BUT ALL THAT EVIDENCE IS NOT GOING TO BE PRESENTED AT THAT POINT. IT SHOULD. I JUST I'M JUST SAYING IT SHOULD NOT AT THAT POINT BE DENIED. I THINK IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION TO HEAR WHAT THE ETHICS ATTORNEY SAYS, WHICH IS IT'S NOT A GOOD COMPLAINT. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU DENY IT RATHER THAN DENYING IT HIM OR HERSELF. I AGREE WITH YOU, DOCTOR LAURA LEE. I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN. ANOTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT IS YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE NITPICKY BEING DONE LIKE THIS IS MISSING, SO IT'S NOT LEGALLY SUFFICIENT. IT'S DONE. MAYBE THERE WAS SOME MERIT THERE. MAYBE THERE WAS VALUE. SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO SEE. THAT'S WHY I'M BEING VERY CAREFUL IN HOW YOU'RE BRINGING THIS ORDINANCE UP. THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS WHEN YOU MEET THE LEGAL SUFFICIENCY THING, THE ETHICS ATTORNEY WILL THEN CORRESPOND WITH YOU AND SAY, I NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION DISCOVERY QUESTIONS. SO THERE. BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING SOMEWHERE WITH IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, A PERSON MAY NOT HAVE ALL OF THAT IN THE BEGINNING. SO THIS IS LIKE A PROCESS THAT BUILDS UP. SO WE CAN'T JUST RUSH THROUGH IT. HAVE SOMEONE FROM AN OUTSIDE SAY THIS IS DONE. THE COMMISSION DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AT IT. I DO AGREE THAT IT'S THAT I'M STARTING TO GET SOFTER ON THIS AND THAT AT LEAST ALLOW THE COMMISSION THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT TO REVIEW IT AND BRING IT BACK. BUT I THINK THEY NEED AT LEAST SHOULD HAVE THAT CHOICE.

NOW YOU'RE JUST TAKING AWAY THE CHOICE FROM PEOPLE THAT WE'VE ASKED TO SERVE. AND UPHOLD, YOU KNOW, ETHICS AND INTEGRITY AS WELL. SO I CAN'T CAN'T SUPPORT JUST HAVING AN ETHICS ATTORNEY DISMISS COMPLAINTS. DOES THE FORM ITSELF, WHEN THEY FILE, DOES IT GIVE A LISTING OF LIKE WHAT YOU'RE LIKE A CHECKBOX LIKE MY ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST TOBIAS IS IN REFERENCING TO THIS UNPROFESSIONALISM MORALS. LATE FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS, ALWAYS GONE OR ANYTHING OR DRESS ATTIRE UNPROFESSIONALISM LIKE GIVE A BREAKDOWN OF ANY LEGAL ACTIVITY THAT YOU WITNESSED. ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU'VE SEEN. LIKE IT GIVES A TIMELINE TO WHERE IT BREAKS DOWN THAT INFORMATION FOR THE COMPLIANCE OFFICER TO WHERE WHEN IT GETS REVIEWED TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION, EACH ONE SAYS, OKAY,

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THIS GOES TO THE STATE AG. BUT WOULD YOU REQUIRE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE.

COUNCILMAN TOBIAS WOULD. I THINK COUNCILMAN TOBIAS WAS OKAY WITH SAYING, HEY, ETHICS ATTORNEY SAYS THIS ISN'T SUFFICIENT. IT'S NOT GOING TO PROCEED. AND THEN ETHICS COMMISSION, IF YOU DISAGREE, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE ETHICS ATTORNEY AND SAY YOU WANT TO HAVE A MEETING. I HAVE NO OPINION ON THAT. AS LONG AS THE COMMISSION HAS AN ABILITY TO KNOW THAT COMPLAINT HAS BEEN FILED. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IN CASE I END UP HAVING TO REDRAFT THIS, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE IN FAVOR OF A OF A HYBRID WHERE. YES. YOU KNOW, AFTER AFTER OUR, YOU KNOW, ETHICS ATTORNEY HAS REVIEWED EVERYTHING. THEY SUBMIT EVERYTHING TO THE COMMISSION, SAY, HEY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT MEETS SUFFICIENCY BECAUSE OF THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT WAS FILED. AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO BRING IT UP AT THAT POINT AND PURSUE IT FURTHER, THEN IT WOULD BE ON THEM WHETHER THEY WANTED TO OR NOT. I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, THAT WOULD. CREATE A GOOD CHECK AND BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. COUNCILMAN RIZZO OKAY, THE ONLY THING WITH THAT IS, DO WE IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT AGAINST YOU NOW, HAVING THAT EXTRA TIME NOW, YOU HAVE ONLY SO MANY DAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO RESPOND. DO WE INCREASE THE DAYS NOW ON THAT? BECAUSE IF NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RESPOND TO A FRIVOLOUS COMPLAINT. I THINK IF WE MADE THAT CHANGE, WHAT I WOULD THEN RECOMMEND DOING IS CHANGING THE SECTION ON THE COMPLAINT TO SAY THAT THE RESPONDENT IS INFORMED THAT THERE WAS A COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST THEM, AND THEY WILL BE NOTIFIED IF AND WHEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO RESPOND. AND THEN ONCE IT'S DETERMINED THAT THAT COMPLAINT IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, THE RESPONDENT WOULD THEN HAVE 14 DAYS TO RESPOND FROM THAT TIME. YEAH. AND THEN ON ALL COMPLAINTS SHALL BE

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THANK YOU. MAYOR, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO WE NEED TO KEEP THE ETHICS COMMISSION PEOPLE UPDATED ON EVERYTHING. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. WE'RE ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER. IT'S 8:47 P.M. NEXT UP WE'RE GOING TO

[4) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback on the design for a community and senior activity center at 1500 Dacy Lane.]

THANK YOU. TURN THE MIC ON. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ON APRIL 1ST OF THIS YEAR, WE BROUGHT A DESIGN CONTRACT FOR THE FACILITY AT 1500 DAISY FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. DURING THAT TIME, YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, GAVE FEEDBACK THAT YOU WERE PARTIAL TO THE MAX FLEX OPTION FOR THE FACILITY LAYOUT, BUT ONLY WITH SOME ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE SPACE.

WE TOOK THAT FEEDBACK AND WE WENT BACK INTO THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH OUR CONSULTANT BASED ARCHITECTURE FIRM AND OUR SENIOR STAKEHOLDERS, CASS, AND LOOK TO MAXIMIZE OR OPTIMIZE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE SPACE. AND BEFORE WE ENTER INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF DESIGN, WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND THE MOST EXPENSIVE PHASE OF DESIGN,

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IT'S ON A TOP OF A HILL. IT'S GOT SOME SLOPE CHALLENGES AND SOME VISIBILITY CHALLENGES. IT IS NEXT TO AN EMPTY PAD. THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE PRETTY RAW, SO YOU CAN SEE THE INSIDE IS SHELLED OUT AND READY FOR IMPROVEMENT. THERE'S A BUILT BUILDING AND AN UNBUILT PAD. SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE THERE. YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, THERE'S A SLIVER OF THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT'S ALREADY OCCUPIED BY A TENANT.

BUT THE BULK OF THE BUILDING IS AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT, AND THAT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 10,000FT■.

THERE'S JUST UNDER 100 PARKING SPACES ON THIS SITE, SOME A FEW OF WHICH ARE KIND OF SPOKEN FOR BY THE EXISTING TENANT, BUT IT'S ALSO MOSTLY SHARED, I GUESS I WOULD SAY. SO WHERE WE WERE LAST TIME WAS LOOKING MOSTLY AT THE FLOOR PLAN. I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON THAT AFTER I SPEAK A MOMENT ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. THE SITE PLAN WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T REALLY WELL DEFINED YET AS TO WHAT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, FRANKLY, WE DIDN'T EVEN REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT RIGHTS THE CITY HAD ON THE SITE, AND WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT AND THAT KIND OF A THING. SO THIS GRAPHIC IS INTENDED TO KIND OF SHOW HOW THAT SITE WORK HAS BEEN SCOPED SINCE WE LAST SPOKE. SO THE DARKER GREEN IS CURRENTLY BEING BUDGETED AND PRICED AS LANDSCAPE AREA. THAT HAS TO DO MOSTLY, MOSTLY WITH SOME OF THE CHALLENGES TO THE TOPOGRAPHY. THERE'S SOME SOIL EROSION AND WASHOUT HAPPENING IN IN PLACES THAT WE ARE PUTTING A LITTLE MORE FORWARD INTO THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING THERE AND ALSO AT THE FRONT ENTRY TO KIND OF GIVE IT AN IMPROVED SENSE OF ENTRY. THE LIGHTER GREEN IS SHOWN TO BE HYDRO SEED. THE ORANGE COLOR WOULD BE HARDSCAPE. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NEW PAVEMENT ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHERE WE'RE ADJUSTING A SIDEWALK. THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING SITE SIGN THAT WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT HOW WE MIGHT MODIFY THAT SIGN TO GIVE THE NEW PROJECT SORT OF TOP BILLING, IF YOU WILL, AND MAKE THAT A LITTLE EASIER TO FIND. NOW ON TO THE FLOOR PLAN. HERE'S A BLOW UP OF THAT EXISTING CONDITION. WE'VE ADDED THE KIND OF RED DOTS TO SHOW WHERE THE EXISTING COLUMN GRIDS ARE THAT WE NEED TO RESPECT. AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE WERE REALLY HAVING TO NAVIGATE THOSE COLUMN GRIDS AND THE PLAN LAYOUT. SO WE MADE THAT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE. THIS IS WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME THAT WE CALLED THE MAX FLEX OPTION IS A DAVID MENTIONED WHAT WE THE MAIN FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS EVEN MORE MAX. WE THOUGHT IT WAS MAX FLEX, BUT IT WASN'T MAXED ENOUGH FLEX. SO WE TOOK THAT TO HEART AND YOU'LL SEE THE NEW PLAN. ANOTHER THING WE HEARD WAS MAYBE THERE'S TOO MUCH LOUNGE SPACE. AND REALLY, TO BE HONEST, WE KIND OF FELT THAT WAY TOO. WE AT THAT POINT WE HADN'T REALLY PROGRAMED THE ADMIN SUITE YET. WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW, HOW IT WAS GOING TO BE STAFFED QUITE YET AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT AREA KIND OF MATURED AND TOOK KIND OF TOOK CARE OF ITSELF. SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. YOU CAN SEE THE MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS ARE NOW OPENED UP. WE HAVE THAT WE SHOW THAT SORT OF CROSSHATCH PATTERN THAT IS IN THAT CORRIDOR. BUT WE'VE ADDED MORE PARTITIONS. SO IT REALLY DOES CREATE THAT TRULY MAX FLEX SPACE, REARRANGE THE PARTITIONS TO CREATE FLEXIBILITY, NOT JUST TWO ROOMS BUT POTENTIALLY INTO THREE, BUT REALLY A VERY LARGE SPACE POTENTIALLY DIVISIBLE INTO UP TO SIX. THE ADMIN SUITE NOW HAS GROWN TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THAT THAT EFFORT AND THE LOUNGE HAS KIND OF BEEN RIGHT SIZED I WOULD ARGUE TO THAT TO THAT POINT, SOME EFFORTS THAT ARE STILL ONGOING IS TRULY DEFINING THE KITCHEN. IT IS IT IS STILL WE'VE GOT A FOOD SERVICE CONSULTANT ON BOARD RIGHT NOW THAT THAT BIT OF THE PLAN HASN'T BEEN FIRMLY SET, BUT WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE. THE REST OF THE SPACES ARE PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE.

EACH OF THOSE ROOMS, KIND OF ANTICIPATING A QUESTION IS ROUGHLY, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU

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THAT WAS LEAST IN THE WAY. BUT GIVEN THE COLUMN GRIDS AND GIVEN SOME OF THE OTHER SITUATIONS, IT WAS NOT AN IDEAL PLACE FOR THEM. AND ALSO, THE CHALLENGE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE PROPER EXITING FROM EACH ROOM. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE CONFUSION OF DOORS AND HOW MANY DOORS WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A PARTITION. SO THIS WAS THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE LAYOUT, I WOULD SAY. SO IF IT'S ALL BEING WIDE OPEN IN THAT SCENARIO, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SUPER IDEAL BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THOSE PARTITION ENCLOSURES IN THERE. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COLUMNS YOU CAN SEE ON THE I DON'T KNOW IF MY POINTER PROBABLY DOESN'T WORK, BUT THE BLACK SQUARES ARE THE BLACK SQUARES THAT ARE BETWEEN THE STACKED PARTITIONS ON THE RIGHT AND THE LOUNGE TO THE LEFT. THOSE ARE COLUMNS. WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT. IS IT FEASIBLE TO REMOVE THOSE COLUMNS? AND IT JUST REALLY WASN'T EVEN NOT ONLY WAS IT EXPENSIVE, BUT THERE WERE OTHER ■RAMIFICATIONS THAT JUST MADE THE SPACE EVEN MORE KIND OF ODD THAT CEILINGS WOULD GET LIKE REALLY LOW TO PULL THAT OFF WITH THE BEAM. SO WE JUST WE LEFT THOSE COLUMNS IN PLACE AND WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM AS BEST WE CAN. IF YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE MAP ON ON THREE. YES. RIGHT THERE. NOW THE MAP, THE ACTUAL MAP ITSELF. OH, THE ONE OF THESE. ONE MORE UP THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE STREET. OKAY. RIGHT THERE. I CAN ASK REAL QUICK, MR. LANGLEY, THAT TRIANGLE SPACE THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON DAY C LANE THAT'S AROUND THAT HAS THE THAT MIDDLE SECTION THERE. YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THE IT'S LIKE A TRIANGLE SHAPE WHERE DAZZLING. YES. AND. DID WE STILL IDENTIFY IF THAT'S STILL CITY PROPERTY. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING ALSO WHEN WE LOOK AT TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR SAFER EXITS, IF THAT LAND COULD EVENTUALLY BE UTILIZED SOMEHOW. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ENTIRE TRIANGULAR PIECE BETWEEN WHERE IT SAYS DAISY LP, BACK TO DAISY, DAISY, DAISY LANE. YES. NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS CITY PROPERTY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS WITH IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS DO WE LIKE THE DO WE LIKE THE MORE OPEN LAYOUT OR IS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WE WOULD PREFER. DID WE HEAR YOU. WELL I GUESS IS THE QUESTION. AND. COUNCILMEMBER RIZZO YEAH I'LL DEFINITELY WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE COLUMNS AND I WENT THROUGH THIS DESIGN IN MY HEAD A MILLION TIMES, I KEPT LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE I REALLY LOVE TO HAVE IT ALL OPEN. BUT THE REASON I'M KIND OF BACKTRACKING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND REALLY PROBABLY IN SYNC WITH THIS DESIGN RIGHT HERE, IS BECAUSE WE DO NEED SOME EXTRA ROOMS. IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE, DIFFERENT PROGRAMING, AND I THINK THIS IS THE LEAST INVASIVE AND WE COULD STILL DO THE OPEN

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AND THAT'S AT 12FT. SO OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE OUR CEILING HEIGHT IN THOSE LARGE ROOMS SO THAT THEY DON'T GET TOO, TOO HEAVY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PARTITIONS BEING TEN FEET TALL IN ORDER TO GET STRUCTURE BETWEEN THAT 12 FOOT LINE AND HAVE STRUCTURE AND A CEILING.

AND THEN HAVING COFFERED, YOU KNOW, RAISED CEILINGS ABOVE THAT. SO YEAH, NO, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE LAYOUT. I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE THE STORAGE COULD MOVE IF THERE WAS ANY ROOM IN THE UPPER.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S FINE. UNFORTUNATELY. TECHNICALLY THOUGH, IF WE MADE IT ACCESSIBLE THEN YOU'RE TRIGGERING THINGS LIKE STAIRS AND ELEVATORS. OKAY, OKAY. AREN'T PRACTICAL. IF I'M LOOKING AT IT CORRECTLY. THERE'S ONLY ONE WHEELCHAIR OR HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE STALL ON EACH SIDE.

CONSIDERING WHO'S GOING TO BE UTILIZING THIS FACILITY. YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S. WELL, THERE'S ONE ONE PER GENDER ON THE LEFT. THERE'S ALSO A CAREGIVER ROOM ON THE FAR RIGHT, THE OTHER BLUE BOX. SO WE HAVE AN EXTRA RIGHT NOW OUR FIXTURE COUNT IS BASED ON THIS ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY. SO WE REALLY COULDN'T ADD ANOTHER WIDER STALL WITHOUT INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE ROOM. THE ONE BY THE KITCHEN IF YOU DON'T MIND. IS THAT GOING TO BE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE AS FAR AS LIKE THE MOBILE CHAIRS OR THE WHOLE BUILDING WILL WILL MEET ALL THE ADA REQUIREMENTS THAT IT NEEDS TO CUSTOMERS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE MATERIALS ARE CONSIDERED FOR THIS BUILDING, THAT WE INCLUDE CONSIDERATION ON SOUND DEADENING, THE ROOM THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW HAS IS IN RIGHT NOW IS REALLY VERY ECHOEY AND IT'S HARD TO HEAR. AND FOR SENIOR CITIZENS, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. SO ASSURING THAT WE HAVE GOOD ACOUSTICS IN THE BIG ROOMS GET VERY NOISY AND VERY LOUD VERY QUICKLY. I LOVE THE DESIGN. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED, BUT WE DO WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE MATERIALS. OKAY. THANK YOU

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ONE OBSERVATION FOR Y'ALL'S DEBATE HERE. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WRESTLING WITH, AND WE KEPT TRYING TO LAY OUT THESE STACK PARTITIONS IN DIFFERENT PLACES, WAS WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WERE FULLY ON ONE END, IT INHIBITS THE ABILITY TO CARVE UP THE THREE SPACES, BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO CARVE IT WOULD BE TO DRAW THAT ONE PARTITION ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE THREE ROOMS. IT'S HEAVY BECAUSE WHEN IT WHEN IT'S IN EITHER THE SPOT THAT IT'S IN NOW OR THE IMMEDIATE ONE WHEN IT'S AT THE CROSSHAIR OF A TRACK, THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE ONE AND THEN A DOUBLE. YEP. VERSUS IF YOU PUT IT ALL THE WAY ON ONE END, IT'S EITHER ONE BIG ROOM OR TWO BIG ROOMS, WHICH IS FINE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WRESTLING WITH WHEN WE WERE LAYING ALL THIS STUFF OUT IS THIS WAS THIS ATTEMPT WAS HOW DO YOU GET THE WHOLE SPACE OPEN? BUT HOW COULD YOU HAVE SIX CLASSES NOW IF SIX CLASSES IS NOT A PREMISE, THEN YOU CAN GO

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YEAH, YEAH. SO BIGGER. YEAH. SO YOU GOT SOME GROWTH. BUT I ACTUALLY THINK IF YOU WANTED TO SPLIT THOSE PRIORITIES THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO DO AWAY WITH THAT DOUBLE STACK THAT'S ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THAT CORRIDOR THAT GOES AWAY AND IT JUST BECOMES ANOTHER ANNOYING COLUMN. BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOT THE BIG, CLOSET OF STACKS. AND YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN EVEN NEED THOSE OTHER TWO STACKS THAT ARE ON THE FAR NORTH. OR IF LATER ON YOU HAVE CITY, THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE. SAVES A CHUNK OF SAVES MONEY, OPENS IT UP A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE YOUR PROGRAMING CAPABILITY ON THE I'M SURE YOU COULD. YEAH. IT'S ALL IT'S JUST RUNNING. THERE'S NOT IT'S NOT LOAD BEARING SLIDING DOORS RIGHT. I MEAN WELL BUT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST BECAUSE NOT JUST THE PANELS AREN'T CHEAP BUT WE'RE HAVING TO STRUCTURE THEM. SO EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS GOT A STEEL BEAM TO CARRY THE LOAD OF THAT. SO WE'D BE DOING AWAY WITH A CHUNK OF IT. I THINK MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE IT ALL LIKE SOUNDPROOFED WITH WITH FULL AV AND STUFF, YOU COULD STILL ROLL SOME THINGS OUT TO MAKE SOME MAKESHIFT ROOMS, BUT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE, I THINK IS GOING TO BE. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO REGRET THE OPENNESS OF IT. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN ALWAYS ROLL OUT WALLS EASIER THAN THIS. THESE THOSE ARE PERMANENT FIXTURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AROUND FROM DAY ONE. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DOZENS OF VERY LARGE EVENTS. ONCE THIS THING'S HERE WITH THE KITCHEN AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE CAS EVENTS. IT'LL BE IT'LL BE OTHER THINGS AS WELL. IN THE EVENINGS WE'D BE ABLE TO RENT IT OUT A LOT, BUT FOR THE BIGGER EVENTS WOULD BE PRETTY NICE WITH A GOOD AV PACKAGE TOO, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS TEXAS OLD TOWN, AND THEIR AV PACKAGE IS TERRIBLE. FULLY INTEGRATED AV. YEAH, OKAY. WELL, I'M OKAY WITH WITH WHATEVER ANYONE WANTS TO DO. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MY THOUGHTS KNOWN ON THE OPENNESS.

SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH JUST DOING AWAY WITH THE POTENTIALS ON ONE SIDE, WHICH IS THE KITCHEN SIDE, AND THEN KEEPING THE ONE, THE OTHER THREE ROOMS. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON AGENDA ITEM FOUR TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH DOING AWAY WITH THE PETITIONS ON THE UPPER SIDE FOR THE KITCHEN AREA IS SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY COUNCILOR RIZZO, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY, THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED AND TAKING OUT THE NORTHERN SECTION OF PARTITIONS, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE STAYING THE SAME. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION THAT THAT WILL OPEN UP THE HALLWAY TO BE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT, RIGHT, FOR SEATING OR WHATEVER IN THE MAIN OPEN AREAS? OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, BRIAN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO PUT THEM BACK IN IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S, THERE'S AN OPTION. YES, THERE'S A, THERE'S A METHOD TO DOING THAT. RIGHT. BECAUSE. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S ALL DROP CEILING. SO WE COULD ALWAYS DO IT IN THE FUTURE. I JUST WANT TO I GUESS UNDERSTAND THAT I UNDERSTAND WE WANT MORE CLASSROOMS, BUT IT DOES BENEFIT HAVING A LARGER OPEN SPACE NEAR THE KITCHEN. SO THE ONLY THING I MIGHT COULD ADD IS WHAT IF WE TOOK ONE OF THOSE THAT THAT LECTERN, MOST LECTERN, LEFTMOST ROOM OUT AS WELL. SO THAT IT WAS JUST WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TWO MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS AND THEN AND THEN THAT WOULD BE OPENED UP. YOU COULD HAVE THAT BE SOMETHING ELSE. I BELIEVE THAT THREE ROOMS, THREE ROOMS. I CAN USE THAT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'LL. I'LL SAY NO MORE. YEAH. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET IN. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO THE TO THE DESIGN OF IT. THAT'S. I'M JUST I LOVE WALKING IN. IT'S OPEN, THAT'S ALL. INSTEAD OF WALKING INTO A HALLWAY. THAT'S VERY. SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON THIS ONE? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH IT TO GET CLOSER TO COMPLETION DATE. SO WE KNOW

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[5) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on the Hays County Homeless Coalition 2025 Point-in-Time Count & Survey Analysis.]

THE SHELTERED LOCATIONS FOR HAYS COUNTY THAT ARE INCLUDED ARE OUR EMERGENCY SHELTER THAT WE HAVE FOR HAYS COUNTY IS THE HAYS CALDWELL WOMEN'S SHELTER, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY POPULATION

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THAT'S WHY WE'RE ENABLED. WE'RE ABLE TO INCLUDE WHEN A GRANT IS PAYING FOR THOSE STAYS, BUT NOT INDIVIDUALS. SOBER LIVING DOES NOT INCLUDE INCLUDED IN THIS FOSTER CARE. NONE OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE OR HEALTH FACILITIES ARE INCLUDED. WHAT THE COUNT DOES TELL US IS THAT APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN HAYS COUNTY ON THE NIGHT OF JANUARY THE 23RD. THAT OFFICIAL REPORT IS WHAT'S SUBMITTED TO HUD. AND SO FOR THE YEAR OF 2025, IT WILL BE. THAT'S OUR OFFICIAL NUMBER. SO ANYONE THAT'S TRYING TO MAKE A CASE FOR THE NEED OF A GRANT OR CDBG FUNDS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THIS IS THE DATA THAT'S RECOGNIZED BY HUD TRENDS OVER TIME. PART OF THIS IS THAT WE UNDERSTAND IN THE FIVE YEARS THAT HAYS COUNTY HAS DONE THE POINT IN TIME COUNT, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME TRENDS, SOME CERTAIN POPULATIONS THAT CONTINUE TO GROW. MAYBE THEY DECREASE THIS YEAR, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM BASED ON, AGAIN, WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE ON THE IN THE SURVEY. THE OTHER THING THAT THE COUNT DOES TELL US IS INSIGHTS INTO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF HOUSING PROGRAMS AND HOMELESSNESS SERVICES IN HAYS COUNTY. PART OF THIS IS TO IDENTIFY WE CONTINUALLY SEE THE SAME GAPS IN HOUSING AND SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE MISSING IN A COUNTY THE SIZE OF HAYS COUNTY. WHAT THE COUNT CAN'T TELL US IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS IN HAYS COUNTY FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST YEAR. SO IT'S NOT THAT TYPE OF REPORT. IT ALSO DOESN'T TELL US HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PRECARIOUSLY HOUSED. FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE COUCH SURFING OR ON THE VERGE OF EVICTION. WE KNOW THAT EVICTIONS ARE A ARE AN ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH. THEY'RE AT RISK OF BECOMING HOMELESS. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNT, THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE DATA OR EVEN OTHERS WHO DO NOT MEET HUD'S DEFINITION OF HOMELESSNESS, WE'RE REQUIRED BY HUD TO BASE THINGS ON THEIR CRITERIA. THIS IS WHAT'S DONE NATIONALLY. SO THEY WANT EVERYTHING TO BE COLLECTED IN A UNIFORM WAY, SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OUTCOMES FROM THIS, THAT IT'S TELLING THE SAME KIND OF UNIQUE STORY, MAYBE BASED ON YOUR AREA, BUT IT'S THE QUESTIONS HAVE ALL BEEN ASKED.

THE SAME QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED. SO YOU CAN SEE OUR COMPARISON SINCE 2020. UP UNTIL

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AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE FOCUS OF THAT, THAT FUNDS FOR THAT CYCLE. BUT YOU CAN SEE WITH THE BREAKDOWN OF THE SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, ADULTS WITH HIV, AIDS, AGAIN, MENTAL ILLNESS, SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER, CHRONICALLY HOMELESS. YOU REMEMBER, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT MOST PEOPLE, WHEN THEY HAVE A MENTAL PICTURE OF WHAT SOMEONE WHO'S HOMELESS LOOKS LIKE, IT'S PERSON WHO'S BEEN OUT FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND THEY ALSO TO BE CHRONIC MEANS

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AND WE'VE ALL BEEN READING THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HAS BEEN ON THE RISE, PROBABLY AS A RESULT OF A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND US. THIS IS THE REGIONAL MAP, SO YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MOBILE APP DOES IS IT WHEREVER OUR SURVEYORS ARE, WHEN THEY SUBMIT THAT SURVEY THAT DROPS A PIN THERE ON THE REGIONAL MAP. SO IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE WE WERE SEEING PEOPLE FOR KYLE, WE WERE ABLE TO FIND LOCATE TWO PEOPLE THAT DAY. BUDDHA FOR WIMBERLEY, TWO, AND SAN MARCOS, WHICH IS CONSISTENTLY WHERE SERVICES ARE LOCATED FOR THE MOST PART. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO ALWAYS SEE THE LARGER NUMBER UNTIL WE DO A BETTER JOB OF SPREADING OUT OUR RESOURCES ACROSS THE COUNTY. DRIPPING SPRINGS WE SPENT MORE TIME IN DRIPPING SPRINGS THIS YEAR FOR TWO DIFFERENT TIME FRAMES OF THE DAY. OUR SURVEYORS DO A THREE HOUR SHIFT, AND SO WE HAD SIX HOURS THAT WE SPENT OVER THE DAY IN DRIPPING SPRINGS, BUT JUST DID NOT LOCATE ANYBODY THAT DAY.

AGAIN, IT'S A PRETTY TRANSIENT POPULATION THERE, MOVED ALONG PRETTY QUICKLY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT? NO, I HAD ONE WITH THE MENTAL ILLNESS. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO SAY THEY'VE GOT MENTAL ILLNESS. THE PEOPLE TAKING THE PILLS, CAN THEY JUST DETERMINE THAT THE PERSON IS BEING ILL BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT AGREE. THEY MIGHT NOT SAY THEY'RE MENTALLY ILL, BUT YOU CAN TELL THEY ARE NO, WE TRAIN OUR SURVEYORS NOT TO ASSUME ANYTHING. YOU GO BASED ON WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I WILL TELL YOU THE ANSWERS CAN BE I DON'T KNOW OR I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER.

AND THAT'S A VALID ANSWER EITHER ONE OF THOSE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE AND THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING OR YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR THE SURVEYOR TO DETERMINE. SO IT REALLY HAS TO BE SELF DECLARED. AND AGAIN YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT CAN IMPACT YOUR YOUR ANSWERS. SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF NO'S OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE YOU LOSE FUNDING BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW THIS PERSON IS DEALING WITH SOMETHING. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE SENDING OUT PROFESSIONALS TO DO THIS OR JUST VOLUNTEERS. YEAH, IT STILL IS. THE VOLUNTEERS ARE TRAINED. WE'VE HAD WE HAD MORE PROBABLY PROFESSIONAL. WE REALLY KEYED IN ON MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, MORE CASE MANAGERS AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT COULD COMMIT TO BEING WITH US ON THAT DAY SO THAT THEY HAD, AGAIN, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND IN HOW HOW YOU ENGAGE SOMEONE IN A CONVERSATION TO GET TO THAT PRETTY PRIVATE TYPE OF, OF INFORMATION. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M LISA YOUNG. I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE HAYS COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION. I'M ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HAYS COUNTY FOOD BANK. I ALSO REPRESENT THE STATE OF TEXAS IN THE PRENATAL TO AGE THREE POLICY IMPACT. IT'S A NATIONWIDE ORGANIZATION LOOKING AT THOSE THOSE REALLY SMALL CHILDREN. AND SO I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR SCHOOL KIDS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND WE SEE TWO IN KYLE. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE. SO THE MCKINNEY VENTO DATA, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ADDITION TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE SAW ON THE NIGHT OF THE 23RD. SO EVERY SCHOOL K THROUGH 12 IN THE COUNTRY IS FEDERALLY MANDATED TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION AT ENROLLMENT. IF, LIKE ME, YOU GOT A PASSEL OF KIDS, YOU'VE SEEN THIS THE PAPER, RIGHT. WHEN YOUR CHILD EVERY SCHOOL YEAR YOU GET SOMETHING HOME. FILL OUT THESE 25 DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THE SCHOOL. RIGHT. WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE? THIS WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S YOUR PHONE NUMBER? AND ONE OF THEM ASKS, DO YOU HAVE A LEASE IN YOUR NAME? DO YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE, A HOUSE THAT YOU HAVE MORTGAGE? DO YOU LIVE IN A HOUSE OR. AND IT GIVES YOU ALL THESE DIFFERENT CHOICES ABOUT WHERE YOU MIGHT BE AND YOU MIGHT

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SO THESE FAMILIES WITH VERY YOUNG CHILDREN, IT SHOULDN'T SURPRISE US AT ALL TO SEE THAT THAT'S THE BIGGEST GROUP THAT'S DOUBLING UP. THOSE ARE THEY COULD HAVE BEEN EVICTED AND ARE NOW STAYING WITH A FAMILY MEMBER. THEY COULD EVEN BE MORE THAN ONE FAMILY THAT HAVE ALL GOT TOGETHER TO GET AN APARTMENT OR A MOTEL. AND THEN THE BLUE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING IN A HOTEL OR MOTEL, WHETHER ON THEIR OWN DIME OR THROUGH A PROGRAM. AND THEN THE GREEN ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING IN A SHELTER OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AREA WAY AT THE VERY TOP. IN THE SAN MARCOS ISD, WE DO SEE A LITTLE RED SECTION THAT IS UNSHELTERED. AND SO THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY LIVING OUTDOORS, PERHAPS IN A CAR THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNSHELTERED. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY THAT IDENTIFIED IN THAT WAY IN THE HAYS CISD, BUT WE DO IN THE SAN MARCOS CISD. THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE SAN MARCOS ONE, BESIDES THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST A LARGER CITY, SO WE EXPECT TO SEE LARGER NUMBERS. BUT THAT IS ALSO WHERE THE HAYS CALDWELL WOMEN'S SHELTER IS. AND SO A LOT OF THE KIDS THAT ARE STAYING AT THAT SHELTER ARE GOING TO SAN MARCOS ISD. SO WE WOULD EXPECT THEIR NUMBERS TO LOOK LIKE THIS. AS NANCY SAID, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL SEE LIKE WHEN THEY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC AREAS.

IT'S NOT THE SAME NUMBER EACH TIME. IT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED TO THAT QUESTION.

SO IF SOMEONE WAS JUST OBSERVED AND WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY INTERVIEW THEM, THEY WON'T BE COUNTED OF WHETHER THEY'RE LGBT OR WHETHER THEY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS, BECAUSE WE HAD NO WAY OF FINDING THAT OUT BY BECAUSE WE DID NOT INTERVIEW THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THOSE NUMBERS VARY, WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OR NOT. THE OTHER THING TO UNDERLINE, TOO, THAT NANCY POINTED OUT, IS THAT THIS WAS A HARD FREEZE NIGHT. EMERGENCY SHELTERS WERE ACTIVATED, SOUTH SIDE WAS OPEN. JANUARY 23RD WAS A HARD FREEZE. SO THAT COULD CUT EITHER WAY, RIGHT? ANYONE? THERE WILL BE PEOPLE. THERE WILL BE EXTRA PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY AT SOUTH SIDE THAT WE COULD EASILY COUNT, BUT ALSO ANYONE WHO COULD HAVE SCRAPED UP HOTEL MONEY DID. SO ANYONE WHO HAD A PLACE TO HOLE UP WHERE THEY FELT THAT THEY WERE WARM AND SAFE, EVEN IF IT WAS IN A CULVERT, THEY STAYED THERE. SO COUNTING PEOPLE ON THE STREET IS NOT AS EASY DURING A HARD FREEZE LIKE THAT. THE OTHER LIMITATION WITH THE MCKINNEY VENTO NUMBERS, WHICH, LIKE I SAID, ARE IN ADDITION TO THE PIT COUNT NUMBERS, IS THOSE NUMBERS WERE TAKEN IN THE FALL. SO WE

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BEFORE I GIVE YOU WHAT OUR BIG ASK FOR THIS YEAR IS, I WILL ALSO SEND OUT A LITTLE THANK YOU TO TWO ORGANIZATIONS. ONE IS MY OWN. SO IT'S A SELF THANK TO OUR STAFF AT THE HAYS COUNTY FOOD BANK AND TO THE SAN MARCOS POLICE DEPARTMENT. BOTH ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDED BAGS, ONE FOOD, ONE EMERGENCY SUPPLIES THAT THE SURVEYORS COULD GIVE OUT AS THEY DID THE SURVEY, WHICH REALLY HELPS FACILITATE THOSE CONVERSATION AND SET THAT LITTLE PLACE OF TRUST TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN YOU'RE ALSO GIVING OUT BAGS WITH PEANUT BUTTER AND EMERGENCY BLANKETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS CONTRIBUTED A LOT. AND THAT WENT BEYOND SAN MARCOS TO THE WHOLE COUNTY AS AS WE DID THE EFFORT. BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS A BOARD, WE MEET EVERY YEAR TO SAY, AND LAST YEAR, YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE WERE HERE. OUR BIG ASK WAS TO ASK FOR YOU TO VOLUNTEER IN THE PIT COUNT, AND WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT OFF OF YOU. WE STILL WANT THAT. BUT THE THING THAT WE'VE REALLY BEEN CONCENTRATING A LOT ON THIS YEAR, AND WE'VE MET WITH AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AND WE HAVE A ROUND TABLE THAT JESSE IS PART OF. TO BRING THE MUNICIPALITIES INTO THAT CONVERSATION IS HOW WE RESPOND FOR EMERGENCIES. FOR THIS, THE MOST VULNERABLE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE FIND OUT EVERY WINTER IS THAT WHEN THE FREEZE COMES, WE'RE SCRAMBLING TO TELL PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. PEOPLE CALL THE FOOD BANK, PEOPLE CALL THE HOMELESS COALITION. PEOPLE GO ON TO OUR FACEBOOK PAGES AND SAY, WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO GO? AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE IN, IN, I WON'T NAME THE MUNICIPALITY. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE IN CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION FOR THEIR OWN CITY. WE'VE HAD MAYORS SAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS THIS, BUT NOW THAT I LOOK IT UP, IT'S NOT. AND WE'VE HAD AT THE COUNTY LEVEL THE SAME THING WHERE THE SHERIFF IS HAS OLD INFORMATION. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR FROM THE COUNTY LEVEL AND FROM ALL THE MUNICIPALITY LEVELS IS TO HELP US COORDINATE A REAL PLAN THAT WE KNOW ABOUT WAY BEFORE THE FREEZING WEATHER IS HERE, SO THAT ANYONE WOULD KNOW. I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I LIVE IN AUSTIN. I KNOW WHERE THE SHELTER IS. I'VE NEVER NEEDED THE SHELTER. IT'S NOWHERE NEAR FREEZING, IS IT? AND YET I KNOW WHERE IT IS BECAUSE IT'S COMMUNICATED SO OFTEN AND SO WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, FOR REPRESENTING KYLE AT THE ROUND TABLE. AND I HOPE FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION GOING FORWARD TO REALLY MAKE THAT A REALITY FOR THIS COUNTY THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS. SO IF I CALL THE SHERIFF, IF I CALL MAYOR MITCHELL, IF SOMEONE CALLS THE FOOD BANK, THEY WILL KNOW WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE CASE OF A FREEZE, IN THE CASE OF A FLOOD, IN THE CASE OF EXTREME HEAT. AND THAT'S OUR BIG PUSH FOR THIS YEAR, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL HELP US MAKE THAT A REALITY. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, NANCY KNOWS SO MUCH MORE ABOUT THE PIT COUNT THAN I DO, SO WE'LL DRAG HER BACK UP TO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS YOUNG. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? CUSTOMER. ZUNIGA, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THE DATA. IT'S A VERY TOUGH ISSUE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT'S VERY DISHEARTENING TO SEE LIKE THE KIDS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE ONES AFFECTED BY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE LEARNING. ENVIRONMENT CAN BE THAT CONDUCIVE TO THEM WITH THEIR SHARING HOTELS OR LIVING IN DOUBLING UP IN FAMILIES. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY SOUTHSIDE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT FOR PEOPLE TO GO BUT IT'S FAR, BUT IT'S FAR RIGHT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN'T GET THERE OR THEY DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM. AND I THINK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN THE FREEZE COMES, LIKE, WHAT ABOUT BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE IN AUSTIN AND LIVING IN TENTS IN CAMPS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S AWFUL.

IT'S AWFUL THAT THIS HAS STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENS IN OUR SOCIETY. BUT I GUESS IT'S A COMPLEX SOCIAL, ECONOMIC THING. PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. AND ABSOLUTELY YOU WOULD EITHER YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABUSED OR YOU LEAVE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LEAVE AND FEND. NONE OF THOSE ARE EASY DECISIONS, NOT AN EASY DECISION. IT'S A HEART WRENCHING

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SO WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION. I KNOW WHEN Y'ALL WROTE THE REPORT FOR CDBG, YOU WORKED WITH TO GET THE RAW DATA, WE ALWAYS MAKE THE RAW DATA AVAILABLE TO WHOEVER WANTS THAT, BECAUSE THAT REALLY DRILLS DOWN INTO MORE SPECIFICS. WE JUST GAVE YOU KIND OF, AGAIN, THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT SOME OF THE KEY SIGNIFICANT POINTS ARE, BUT WE SHOULD ALL BE TROUBLED BY THIS.

YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE HUGE NUMBERS WITHIN YOUR CITY LIMITS, IT'S A BIG IT'S AN ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY END UP WITH YOU. THEY'RE NOT YOURS. YOU KNOW, THEY YOU'RE NOT THEIR ZIP CODE OF RESIDENTS, BUT THEY'RE THERE. AND SO HOW DO YOU RESPOND? WE SAY THIS IN EVERY COUNCIL MEETING WE'VE BEEN TO. HOW DO YOU RESPOND? WHAT'S THE RESPONSE. AND IT'S NOT PUTTING THEM ON A BUS NECESSARILY AND SENDING THEM OUT OF TOWN, ALTHOUGH THAT CAN BE A SOLUTION WHEN YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING,

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ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS VERY THOROUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK

[6) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on the Sidewalk Master Plan.]

MIKE TRIMBLE, DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS, PLEASED TO BRING FORWARD THE RESULTS OF THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN. AS YOU MAY RECALL, LAST FEBRUARY, COUNCIL APPROVED MOVING FORWARD WITH SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN. AND SO THAT WORK HAS BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE PAST YEAR. SO WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE THE RESULTS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO WILL HAGER WITH KCI. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE AGAIN TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE RESULTS OF YOUR SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN. AS MR. TRIMBLE MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT THIS FOR JUST OVER A YEAR, AND IT'S BEEN VERY ENLIGHTENING FOR US. AND I THINK WE FOUND SOME GOOD, SOLID RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER GOING FORWARD. SO I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THIS PROJECT AND WHERE WE WERE AIMING. SO I'LL TRY TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR YOU AND LEAVE TIME FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TOWARDS THE END. BUT BASICALLY I'D LIKE TO GIVE A PLAN OVERVIEW KIND OF REVIEW AND TOUCH ON SOME OF THE PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT RESULTS THAT WE RECEIVED, COVER THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WHICH WILL LEAD TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THOSE ARE POLICY AND CAPITAL RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN LOOKING AT FUNDING SOURCES AND POSSIBLE NEXT STEPS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. SO FIRST WE STARTED BY ASSESSING YOUR EXISTING SIDEWALK NETWORK. OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS GROWING AT AN INCREDIBLE RATE, AND IT'S HARD FOR THOSE SIDEWALK NETWORKS TO KEEP UP WITH THAT LEVEL OF GROWTH. SO WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY GAPS USING YOUR GIS DATA AND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF. AND THEN US, LED US TO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE SET A SCORING METRIC BASED ON THOSE PRIORITIES, AND WE'LL REVIEW THAT HERE. SO OUR OVERALL SCHEDULE DID START REALLY LAST MARCH IN REAL EFFORT AND FINDING OUR INITIAL FINDINGS. WE WERE HERE IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR TO HOLD SOME PUBLIC STAKEHOLDER EVENTS. AND THROUGH THAT PERIOD WE WERE ALSO ENGAGING WITH SOME ONLINE EFFORTS AS WELL. SO LAST FALL, WE CAME TO A SOLID FINAL DRAFT OF THE DOCUMENT. AND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR STAFF AND LEADERSHIP, WE DECIDED TO MODIFY THOSE PRIORITIES A BIT BASED ON WHAT WE WERE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC. AND THAT LED TO SOME REVISIONS, WHICH HAPPENED IN SPRING OF THIS YEAR. AND NOW YOU HAVE THE FINAL REPORT FOR YOUR USE. THOSE TWO PUBLIC STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENTS, ONE WAS HELD JUST RIGHT BEHIND US HERE IN CITY HALL, THE OTHER AT LEHMAN HIGH SCHOOL. WE WERE HERE DURING DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY TO HOPEFULLY MEET AND TALK WITH DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. THE VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT WAS REALLY A PROJECT BASED WEBSITE THAT HAD A PROJECT MAP AND A SURVEY. WE HAD OVER 1100 PEOPLE VISIT THE WEBSITE AND OVER 400 SURVEYS, WHICH REALLY GAVE US SOME REALLY SOLID INPUT AND DIRECTION FROM THE COMMUNITY.

OVERALL, WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS VERY STRONG SUPPORT FOR SIDEWALKS IN GENERAL, A DESIRE FOR THOSE SIDEWALKS TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE ROADWAY WITH SOME GOOD BUFFERS TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE TO WALK. WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS FOR PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO WALK, BUT FELT LIKE IT WASN'T SAFE OR WASN'T THE BEST FOR THEIR PARTICULAR SITUATION. WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HIGH VALUE DESTINATIONS AND THOSE INCLUDED VIBE TRAIL FACILITIES THAT ARE IN PLANNING, BUT ALSO SCHOOLS AND PARKS, AND ALSO OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND COMMERCIAL AREAS WHICH ARE GROWING RAPIDLY. AND WE ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE TO CONNECT THE MAJOR STREET CORRIDORS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. IT'S NOT JUST THAT THEY WANT TO DRIVE SOMEWHERE TO GO FOR A JOG. THEY WANT TO WALK FROM THEIR DOOR TO WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO. HERE'S A MAP OF YOUR EXISTING CONDITIONS. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN KIND OF THE BROWN, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THIS VIBE TRAIL

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BUT WE WANTED TO SEE THE ENTIRE PEDESTRIAN NETWORK, SO WE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND THEN WE BUILT OFF OF THAT. SO FROM HERE WE IDENTIFIED THE SECTIONS THAT WERE MISSING. WHERE ARE THOSE GAPS? AND THEN WHERE ARE THOSE PLACES WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO EXTEND THE NETWORK TO REACH HIGH VALUE DESTINATIONS. SO THESE ARE THOSE GAPS MAPPED IN GIS. AND THE INTERESTING PART WAS THAT YOU'RE GROWING SO FAST. THIS HAD TO KIND OF EVOLVE AS WE WERE AS WE WERE WORKING ON THE PROJECT.

SO THAT WAS FUN TO SEE TO. WE ALSO WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE SAFETY ISSUES MAY BE A CONCERN.

SO THESE ARE PEDESTRIAN INVOLVED MAPS OR PEDESTRIAN INVOLVED CRASHES ACROSS THE CITY. AND THEY'RE COLOR CODED BASED ON THE SEVERITY OF THE INJURIES. SO THE BLACK DOTS MAY NOT BE AN INJURY, BUT IT WAS A CLOSE CALL OR IT WAS IMPACT WITH A PEDESTRIAN. POSSIBLE INJURIES ALL THE WAY UP TO SUSPECTED SERIOUS INJURIES. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THOSE CLUSTER IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. NEXT, WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STRESS. AND THIS IS KIND OF A CALCULATION BASED ON THE TYPE OF ROADWAY, THE SPEED OF VEHICLES, AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF PEDESTRIANS BEING PRESENT. SO 1 TO 4 IS THE SCORING LEVEL, ONE IS A FAIRLY COMFORTABLE WALKING EXPERIENCE FOR IS UNCOMFORTABLE AND MAY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR AN IMPROVED FACILITY OR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY. WE ALSO WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR POLICIES AND PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION ON HOW TO ADDRESS PEDESTRIAN NEEDS THROUGH YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THROUGH YOUR PRIVATE INVESTMENTS AND UPDATES TO YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, AND FORMALIZE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENTS MAY BE ONE WAY TO HELP YOU DO THAT. AND ALSO JUST UPDATING STREET AND SIDEWALK TYPICAL SECTIONS TO MAKE THEM MORE COMFORTABLE FOR USERS IS ALSO PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO NEXT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. AGAIN WE WANTED TO ADDRESS GAPS IN THE NETWORK, CREATE LOGICAL TERMINI FOR THESE SECTIONS THAT ARE MISSING CURRENTLY. AND THEN THESE ALL LED TO A SCORING AND RANKING AND PRIORITIZATION FOR THESE POSSIBLE SIDEWALK PROJECTS. THE SCORING KIND OF BREAKS DOWN IN HOW WE'RE SEEING IT WAS DESIGNED AGAIN, TO REFLECT THE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES. WE GAVE 35 TOTAL POINTS TO SAFETY, 20 TOTAL POINTS TO NETWORK CONNECTIVITY. IF IT WAS ADDRESSING ONE OF THOSE GAPS, OR CONNECTING TO A DESIRED DESTINATION, AND THEN THE TRIP POTENTIAL A TOTAL OF 45 POINTS POSSIBLE, IT BASICALLY JUST IMPROVES CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. AND AFTER SCORING OVER 80 PLUS SEGMENTS IN THIS WAY, THESE ARE SOME OF THE TOP SCORED SEGMENTS. A LOT OF THESE HAVE DUPLICATIVE SCORES.

SO AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE HIGH VALUE TARGETS HERE IN TERMS OF YOUR SIDEWALK NETWORK COLORS CROSSING, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS. IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN YOUR CIP PROGRAM. THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT IS FROM POWELL TO CROMWELL DRIVE, AND WE'LL HAVE A PROJECT SNAPSHOT ON THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT YOU PROBABLY RECOGNIZE SOME OF THESE ROADWAYS. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THEY'RE TYPICALLY HEAVY VEHICLE ROADWAYS CARRYING A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THAT MAKES SENSE IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE THE DESTINATIONS THAT ARE ALONG THESE ROUTES THAT YOU MIGHT SEE PEDESTRIANS ALONG HERE TO. SO WE'LL DIVE INTO EACH ONE OF THESE. AND THERE'S MUCH MORE IN THE FULL REPORT TO LOOK AT AND TO CONSIDER GOING FORWARD. BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW HOW THESE SCORES ARE REFLECTED IN EACH ONE OF THESE TOP SCORING SEGMENTS. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THIS SEGMENT OF COLORS CROSSING RECEIVED POINTS FOR CRASHES IN THE AREA. A HIGHER LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STRESS. IT'S AN EXPANSION OF YOUR NETWORK TO SOME KEY DESTINATIONS. YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL SCHOOLS ON THE WESTERN END OF THAT MAP. WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME RETAIL AREAS IN THE AND PARKS IN THE AREA AS WELL. SO A PRETTY VALUABLE SEGMENT TO COMPLETE BASED ON OUR COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDING. SAME HERE WITH FILOMENA DRIVE FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO BRUNTON CREEK ROAD. AGAIN WE HAVE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA. IT FILLS A GAP, WE HAVE CRASHES AND WE HAVE A CRASH HISTORY HERE AND RETAIL AREAS AND TRAILS PLANNED IN THE FACILITY AS WELL. AND YOU CAN ALL SEE THAT THESE SCORES ARE THE SAME TOO. SO WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING WHERE TO PUT YOUR MONEY, WHERE TO PUT YOUR DOLLARS, YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE THAT CONSIDERATION AS WELL. YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL THAT SCORE VERY HIGH, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE SOME THAT DROP OFF AT DIFFERENT POINTS ALONG THE WAY. AGAIN, THIS IS VETERANS VERY SIMILAR HAS A CRASH HISTORY HIGH LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STRESS. THIS FILLS A GAP. SCHOOLS ARE PRESENT. PARKS

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IT SEEMED IN TALKING TO THE STAFF, WHO OBVIOUSLY HAVE TONS OF LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, THAT THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT ON THE OUTSKIRTS, BUT IF YOU REALLY TAKE A STEP BACK, THERE IS SO MUCH RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IN THIS AREA AND SCHOOLS. SO WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON ON HOW THIS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, BUT IT WAS ALSO A HIGH VALUE AREA. AND THEN THIS IS OLD HIGHWAY 81 FROM EAST CENTER TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF I-35. WE HAVE SCHOOLS HERE AS WELL.

HIGHER CRASH HISTORY THAN SOME OTHER SEGMENTS AND A HIGHER LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STRESS. WE ALSO HAVE SOME RETAIL AREAS THAT COME INTO THE OLDER PART OF TOWN NEAR CENTER STREET, SO I THINK IT'S GETTING SOME POINTS THERE AS WELL. SO PART OF OUR TASK WAS ALSO TO DEVELOP AN OVERALL PER MILE COST ESTIMATE. WE WANTED TO CONSIDER IT BASED ON A FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS A TYPICAL SIDEWALK. THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU WANT SOMETHING WIDER THROUGH A COMMERCIAL AREA, BUT AS A STANDARD, TYPICAL SECTION, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS DIMENSION. WE WANTED TO CONSIDER NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT RIGHT OF WAY UTILITY RELOCATION AND STORMWATER COSTS. AS PART OF THIS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN IGNORE. NOW, THESE COSTS MAY VARY GREATLY FROM ONE SEGMENT TO ANOTHER, BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS BUILT INTO THE ESTIMATED FEE. WE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT CEI AND DESIGN FEES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PART OF IT. AGAIN, SOME PROJECTS MAY BE MUCH MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD WHERE THIS FEE IS LESS OR MAYBE NOT NEEDED AT ALL. BUT WORST CASE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, WE WANTED TO ACCOUNT FOR IT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE SPECIFIC CURB RAMPS, CROSSWALK PAVEMENT MARKINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH OF A CASE BY CASE BASIS. BUT THIS JUST OVER $1 MILLION FIGURE WILL BE VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF PLANNING YOUR BUDGETS AND YOUR WORK PLANS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. WE ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME FUNDING STRATEGIES. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S TONS OF GRANTS. YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING A LOT LOCALLY WITH YOUR YOUR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES. BUT THERE'S ALSO NEWER PROGRAMS LIKE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL, WHICH IS A GREAT GRANT PROGRAM AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN FUNDING, SPECIFICALLY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, BUT THAT CAN INCLUDE SIDEWALK DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. I KNOW THAT WAS VERY QUICK. I ALSO KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, BUT I WANT TO LEAVE AS MUCH TIME FOR QUESTIONS AS YOU MIGHT MIGHT NEED. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTER? COMMENTS. YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD PLAN. SAW SOME AREAS THAT WERE LEFT OFF. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME SEGMENTS OF STAGECOACH, BUT NOTHING FURTHER SOUTH. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WALKERS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, SO JUST WONDERING, DID WE REACH OUT TO COMMUNITIES OR JUST WAITED FOR PUBLIC INPUT? WELL, WE HELD TWO IN-PERSON PUBLIC EVENTS AND WE TRIED TO SPACE THEM STRATEGICALLY, NOT JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY, BUT TIME OF DAY. ALSO, WE ALSO, IF I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SHOW YOU WHERE OUR FEEDBACK CAME FROM. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP HERE, EACH ICON ON THE MAP PORTION OF THIS SLIDE SHOWS AT LEAST ONE COMMENT, AND IF IT HAS A NUMBER ON TOP OF IT, IT THAT NUMBER OF COMMENTS FOR EACH LOCATION. SO WE DID GET PRETTY GOOD GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION, I THINK I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN END OF TOWN, NOT QUITE AS MUCH, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT FM 150 SPECIFICALLY DID RANK VERY HIGHLY IN OUR SCORING. YEAH, I COULD SEE THAT ONE GOING. THERE'S THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SEGMENTS MAYBE SCORED LOWER BUT ARE STILL INCLUDED IN THE LIST. YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT COMPLETE CONNECTIVITY. AND LOOK HONESTLY, THE SOUTHERN PART JUST I KNOW THEY DON'T GAUGE OR COME

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BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT, WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S COMING IN.

YES, SIR. WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THE MANY CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND TOOK THOSE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR GAP NETWORK. SO IF THERE WAS A PROJECT OBLIGATED OR PLANNED FOR, WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION GOING FORWARD. YEAH, I APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHT THAT Y'ALL PUT INTO IT TO LOOK AT THE IMPACTS AND THE INJURIES. ALL OF THAT IS VALUABLE. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD DO THEM ALL IN ONE YEAR, THAT'D BE GREAT. BUT I KNOW THESE TAKE TIME AND WE CAN FIND THE MONEY AND A LOT OF THESE SMALL GRANTS THAT YOU PUT IN AND IN CIPS OR NEW, NEW TOURS'S. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE THIS DATA AND INFORMATION. YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

[VI) Consent Agenda]

SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM SEVEN THROUGH 15. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. OUR NEXT UP IS

[17) Consider approval of a resolution adopting the 2025 Parks, Recreation, and Open Space (PROS) Master Plan.]

SO THAT'S NOT JUST WHAT I CALL, YOU KNOW, BUREAUCRATIC, BUREAUCRATIC BLIGHT OR SPOTS A STRATEGIC PLAN ON THE SHELF. THANK YOU. PAOLA. CITY COUNCIL MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'LL TRY TO NOT TAKE TOO LONG. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, BUT IT'S A REALLY EXCITING DAY AS WELL. IS THIS AS DAVID MENTIONED, THIS IS A CULMINATION ABOUT A YEAR'S WORTH OF WORK, NOT ONLY FROM US, BUT FROM YOUR RESIDENTS AS WELL. TODAY, I'LL PRESENT AN OVERALL VIEW OF THE PROCESS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE'LL PRESENT A METHODOLOGY OF HOW WE ASSESSED YOUR CURRENT PARK SYSTEM. I'LL ALSO SHARE WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN FROM THERE, SHARE HOW FROM WHAT WE LEARNED FROM YOUR EXISTING CONDITIONS TO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE DEVELOPED YOUR KYLE PARKS RECREATION MASTER PLAN. SO WE BEGAN A LITTLE BIT OVER TEN, 12 MONTHS, TEN, 11 MONTHS AGO BY JUST LEARNING FROM YOU, LEARNING WHERE KYLE SYSTEM IS NOW, AND THEN HAVING A HEAVY LISTENING SESSION. I REMEMBER SEEING A COUPLE OF YOU ON SOME OF THOSE ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS. FROM THERE, WE TOOK EVERYTHING THAT WE LEARNED AND STARTED DEVELOPING YOUR MASTER PLAN AND TO TODAY. SO WE USE OUR FIVE FIVE LENSES TO ASSESS YOUR PARK SYSTEM. OUR

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SO WITH THAT, WE MEASURE YOUR BUDGET, STAFFING, LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOUR FACILITY. SO WHERE ARE YOU AND WHERE YOU SHOULD BE? WE ALSO LOOK AT YOUR RESOURCE SPACE. SO THIS IS ANY NATURE MADE ARTIFICIAL RESOURCES. AND WHAT I ALSO CALL YOUR TREASURES THAT ADD TO YOUR RECREATION.

THIS COULD BE RIVERS, GREENWAYS, DRAINAGE, WAYS, EVEN EVEN MAJOR THOROUGHFARES LIKE I-35. WE ALSO DO AN ACCESS BASED ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS HOW FAR ARE PEOPLE FROM A PARK. WE USE A TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND MEASURE, WHICH MEASURES THAT, WHICH INDICATES THAT EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT SHOULD BE WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK TO A PARK. AND THEN WE DO EQUITY BASED ASSESSMENT. AND THIS WE INCLUDE AN ENVIRONMENTAL, SOCIOECONOMIC AND HEALTH VULNERABILITY MATRIX. SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A TOTAL OVER 4000 DATA POINTS OF FEEDBACK. WE HAD A TOTAL OF 1140 SURVEY RESPONSES. WE HOSTED PUBLIC WORKSHOPS ONE ON THE EAST SIDE, ONE ON THE WEST SIDE. WE HOSTED OVER EIGHT POP UPS. WE HAD STAFF INTERVIEWS, WE HAD A TRAILS FOCUS GROUP MEETING AND A CONSERVATION FOCUS GROUP MEETING. WHAT WE HEARD WAS THAT PEOPLE WHEN WE WHEN WE ASKED PEOPLE WHAT THEY ENVISION THE FUTURE OF KYLE PARKS RECREATION AND OPEN SPACES IS A PLACE THAT IS INCLUSIVE, THAT HAS A LOT OF NATURE TRAILS, EDUCATION SPACES, ACTIVITIES FOR ALL AGES AND ACCESSIBLE TO THEM. WHEN WE HEARD WHAT ARE THE AMENITIES THAT THEY SEE AS A PRIORITY, THE TOP PRIORITIES WERE TRAILS, PLAYGROUNDS, SPORTS COURTS, SOCCER FIELDS, AND AN AQUATIC CENTER. WHEN WE ASKED WHAT SPECIFIC SPORTS AMENITIES THE TOP FIVE PRIORITIES WERE INDOOR SPORTS, FITNESS, WELLNESS, YOUTH PROGRAMS, AQUATIC CENTERS, ARTS AND CRAFTS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, 76% OF RESPONDENTS VOCALIZED A NEED FOR AN INDOOR RECREATION CENTER. I KNOW THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT A SENIOR CENTER, SO THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THAT, BUT I THINK THE OVERALL WAS A NEED FOR A SPACE THAT IS AN INDOOR FACILITY. IN THE TRAILS WORKSHOP, WE FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON IDENTIFYING PRIORITY NODES, AREAS OF CONNECTIVITY THAT WOULD CONNECT PEOPLE TO PLACES SPECIFICALLY TO OTHER PARKS, FACILITIES OR OTHER MAIN TRAIL CONNECTIONS. TRAILS WAS ONE OF THE TOP RESPONSES AS WHAT PEOPLE OF RESIDENTS OF KELSEY AS A PRIORITY. 80% OF THOSE RESPONSES WERE MENTIONED TRAILS AS A PRIORITY. WE ALSO ASKED THE FUNDING QUESTION GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT TRADE OFFS EARLIER TODAY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T JUST HAVE A PLAN AND SAY THERE'S EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW, IN THIS MOMENT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S TRADE OFFS. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BROUGHT THIS QUESTION TO YOUR RESIDENTS AND ASK IF WE HAVE IF WE GIVE YOU THESE FOUR CATEGORIES, WHAT IS THE MOST WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU? SO WE GAVE THEM AN ENVELOPE WITH TEN COINS AND ASKED THEM TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE COINS BASED ON THEIR PRIORITIES. TOP PRIORITY WAS TO UPGRADE EXISTING FACILITIES OVER DEVELOPING NEW PARKS. SECOND PRIORITY WAS TO DEVELOP AND IMPROVE TRAILS, AND THIRD WAS IMPROVING IMPROVING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. OVERALL, THESE WERE THE SEVEN KEY FINDINGS OF THE COMMUNITY.

ENGAGEMENT WAS TO IMPROVE EXISTING FACILITIES, IMPROVE TRAILS AND ADD MORE CONNECTIVITY, ADD MORE RECREATION PROGRAMS AND PROGRAMING. FOCUS ON MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION. REALLY LOOK AT THE CONSERVATION OF OUR ECOSYSTEM, FUNDING OPTIONS AND MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION. SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO HEARD WAS THAT OFTENTIMES RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING OR WHAT IS AVAILABLE. SO GOING TO THE OTHER LENS, WHICH THE SECOND LENS, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD BASIS ASSESSMENT, WE LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR PARKS FACILITIES AND IDENTIFIED YOUR SERVICE AREA MEANING BY BASED ON THE SIZE OF EACH PARK, WE IDENTIFIED HOW MANY RESIDENTS OF BROWNSVILLE WERE BEING SERVICED. SO IN YELLOW ARE THE AREAS OF

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THIS IS YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL VULNERABILITY. WE SEE A HIGHER VULNERABILITY ALONG I-35. SO IT'S THE HIGHER VULNERABILITIES WHERE WE SEE THE DARKER BROWN AREAS. ON ON THAT, ON THE VULNERABILITY INDEXES, DO WE HAVE NUMBERS ON THOSE? I MEAN, WHAT DOES VULNERABILITY MEAN? YES. COMPARED TO WHAT. YES. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT. SO WHEN WE SO THIS MAP IS A SUM OF A LOT OF DATA POINTS. THE ONES HERE, YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE SIDE. SO THAT INCLUDE AIR QUALITY, AIR POLLUTION, FLOOD ZONE TRUCK ROUTES, WATER QUALITY, CONTAMINATED LAND, HAZARDOUS WASTE AND HEAT ISLANDS. SO ALL OF THAT DATA OF KYLE WITHIN THOSE INDICES WERE SUMMED UP TO IDENTIFY YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL VULNERABILITIES. YOU HAVE NUMBERS FOR ALL OF THESE. YES, SOME KIND THAT SHOWS WHAT THE LEVEL OF THAT OZONE IS. YES. SO LIGHTING IS NOT INCLUDED IN HERE. SO LIGHT POLLUTION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY INCLUDED IN THAT. AND DO WE HAVE I MEAN THERE'S SOME OF THESE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SUPERFUND SITES, CHEMICAL PLANTS, HAZARDOUS WASTE I MEAN SOME HEAT ISLANDS. I'M NOT SURE WE EVEN HAVE A HEAT ISLAND IN KYLE. BROWNFIELD SITES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT BROWNFIELD. SO. OR DID ANY OF THESE ACTUALLY HAVE ZEROS? ALL OF THESE INCLUDED DATA WHETHER IF IT WAS MINIMUM. BUT ALL OF THIS WAS DATA AVAILABLE. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY DATA POINTS THAT HAD NO INFORMATION. YES. AND KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE THE QUARRY JUST AROUND THE CORNER WHICH AFFECTS US. WE HAVE THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? WITH MORE PAVEMENT GOING IN. WE'RE STARTING TO COMPLETE THAT HEAT ZONE, RIGHT? WE STILL HAVE SOME GREEN SPACES, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO GET HOTTER. BUT WE ALSO THINK ABOUT THE JET STREAM. SO AS EVERYTHING ELSE DEVELOPS AROUND US, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF POLLUTIONS FROM OTHER AREAS AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION IS WHERE WHERE ARE WE GETTING THESE NUMBERS FROM? YOU KNOW, BROWNFIELDS WE MAY HAVE WHAT, ONE QUARRY HEAT ISLANDS ARE DIFFERENT FROM A GENERAL COMMUNITY HEATING. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY HEAT ISLANDS.

I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THIS IS INACCURATE. NO, I'M JUST SAYING I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NUMBERS COME FROM. AND IF IT HELPS, YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF BROWN I HAVE HAD I'VE DONE THIS ASSESSMENT IN OTHER CITIES AND IT'S ALL HIGH VULNERABILITY. RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW WHEN WE MOSTLY SEE IS CONCENTRATED ON I-35, OTHER THAN THAT WE SEE MOSTLY LOW TO MEDIUM ENVIRONMENTAL VULNERABILITIES. SO IT KIND OF IT KIND OF SHOWS TO YOUR POINT, LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DATA THAT WOULD SHOW A HIGH ENVIRONMENTAL VULNERABILITY, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KNOW AND TO AND TO HAVE IN MIND THAT NOT TO ADD TO THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE THEIR HIGHER ENVIRONMENTAL VULNERABILITY. SO THIS IS YOUR SOCIOECONOMIC VULNERABILITY ON THE RIGHT. YOU'LL SEE AS WELL THE DATA THAT WE USED INCOME, HOUSEHOLD EDUCATION, PEOPLE OF COLOR, EMPLOYMENT. WE USED AGE UNDER 19 ANGEL OVER 16. LOW LIFE EXPECTANCY, HOMEOWNERSHIP, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CRIME RATE. AND SO IN THIS AREA WHERE WE SEE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF VULNERABILITY IS ON THE SOUTHERN, EASTERN PART OF I-35 AND THEN ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF

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RIGHT. BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THE ACCESSIBILITY, IT WOULD SHOW THAT ON THE EAST SIDE THERE'S A HIGHER ACCESS OF PARKS. RIGHT. BUT A LOT OF THOSE PARKS ARE UNDEVELOPED. BUT THEN IF WE ALSO LOOK AT THE SOCIOECONOMIC MARK SOCIOECONOMIC MAP, WE SEE THAT THE EAST SIDE IS THE ONE WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF VULNERABILITY. SO THESE MAPS ARE INTENDED TO BE TO BE USED COMPREHENSIVELY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE LENSES SEPARATELY. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE WHAT THAT THIS SET UP ARE BASED. RIGHT. AND SO WE USE THIS INFORMATION TO DEVELOP YOUR PARKS MASTER PLAN. AS DAVID MENTIONED, THIS IS YOUR TEN YEAR ROADMAP FOR YOUR PARK SYSTEM. SO WE TOOK THE INFORMATION AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO DEVELOP YOUR VISION, MISSION, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. AND THOSE FRAMED THE RECOMMENDATIONS SECTION. SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED YOUR VISION TO BE WE ENVISION PARKS TO BE A THRIVING, INCLUSIVE NETWORK OF PARKS AND RECREATION WHERE NATURE AND COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER TO ENHANCE QUALITY OF LIFE AND ESTABLISH KYLE AS A PREMIER REGIONAL DESTINATION. YOUR MISSION STATEMENT IS TO BE A PREMIER AND SUSTAINABLE PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM THAT BUILDS COMMUNITY AND PROMOTES HEALTH, CONSERVATION AND INCLUSIVITY FOR ALL. AND THE FIVE GOALS, WHICH IS HOW WE STRUCTURE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE A DYNAMIC AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY. SO THIS GOAL ENCOMPASSES HOW WE GET TO YOUR PARKS OR TO YOUR FACILITIES. SO THIS TALKS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, THESE TALKS ABOUT TRAILS BALANCING CONNECTED SYSTEM. THIS TALKS ABOUT YOUR DISTRIBUTION OF YOUR PARKS. IT TALKS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF YOUR PARKS. IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT PROGRAMING FLOURISHING IN NATURE. THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT YOUR CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT AND PRESERVATION OF YOUR ECOSYSTEM. VIBRANT AND PROSPEROUS DESTINATION. THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT YOUR PARK SYSTEM AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT OF KYLE, AND SUSTAINABLE RESOURCES. MORE OF AN INWARD GOAL. THIS IS HOW THIS IS MORE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. HOW DO WE SERVICE OUR PARK SYSTEM. SO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I KIND OF GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. EACH RECOMMENDATION HAS AN OBJECTIVE. AND THEN EACH OBJECTIVE BREAKS DOWN STRATEGIC ACTION ITEMS AND STRATEGIC AND STRATEGIES. SO I HAVE HERE AS I WAS MENTIONING, BALANCE AND CONNECTED SYSTEM.

THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE GET TWO PARKS. THIS IS HOW WE DISTRIBUTE A BALANCED SYSTEM.

THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT PROGRAMING AND ELEVATING THE EXPERIENCE OF YOUR PARK SYSTEM.

DYNAMIC AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT HOW THE ROLE THAT PARKS PLAY IN PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH. THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WELCOMING AND SAFE ENVIRONMENTS, AS IN THE SENSE OF PUBLIC SPACE. THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT YOUR ACCESS TO PROGRAMING, AND SO THAT THE PROGRAMING THAT IS OFFERED IS FOR ALL AGES AND ALL ABILITIES, FLOURISHING NATURE AND EXPERIENCES. WHERE WE TALK ABOUT YOUR CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT AND, AND HOW DO WE EDUCATE AND SHARE THE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO PRESERVE OUR ECOSYSTEM. THIS ALSO INCLUDES YOUR MOST RECENT CONSERVATION TIERS AND YOUR MOST RECENT NATURE OR PLANT LIST. AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY. AND THEN VIBRANT AND PROSPEROUS DESTINATION IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLACING KYLE PARK SYSTEM ON A REGIONAL LENS AS WELL? SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT OF PARKS AND LASTLY, YOUR OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT, HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SET THIS PARK SYSTEM FOR SUCCESS FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. SO HERE'S SOME. I'M GOING TO SHOW SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE OF THEM IS TO AMEND AND TO EDIT OR TO IMPROVE YOUR EXISTING PARK

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YEAH. AND THESE ARE ALL OBVIOUSLY CONCEPTUAL. THESE ARE. OUR TAKE OF APPROACHING YOUR.

AND ALL OF THESE ARE UNDEVELOPED AS WELL. RIGHT. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING THE MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S AN EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PARKS. BUT LOOKING AT YOUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THIS ONE YEAH THERE YOU GO. BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE THAT PARKING ACROSS THE STREET THERE. AND THEN YOU CAN GO UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE TO GET TO KENSINGTON PARK. YEAH. BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE STILL HAVE THE OTHER SPACE THERE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF PARKING YOUR BIKE UP NEAR LOWES AND BE ABLE TO BIKE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE

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SO THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WE NOT ONLY PROVIDED CONCEPTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO SOME OF TO THESE FIVE PARKS, WE ALSO LOOKED AT ALL OF YOUR PARK SYSTEM AND DID GENERAL OBSERVATIONS, GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COULD BE EITHER SMALL WINS, LOW HANGING FRUIT, SOME EITHER REPLACING A PLAYGROUND OR SOME SMALL IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE DONE. SO THESE ARE FOR ALL OF YOUR PARKS. WE DID A OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL OF YOUR EXISTING PARKS.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT YOUR POLICY. WE LOOKED AT YOUR PARKLAND DEDICATION AND PROVIDED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ALIGN WITH WHAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND TO THE GOAL OF KYLE'S PARK. SO SOME OF THEM WERE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO CONNECT TO YOUR SIDEWALK AND TRAILS, TO KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE TRAILS AND THE SIDEWALK CONVERSATION EARLIER, EVEN SOME FLEXIBILITIES TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CAN DEVELOP ABOUT 25% INTO A FLOODPLAIN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THERE'S DEDICATED PARKLAND, THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST GETTING LAND THAT YOU CAN'T USE. SO FINDING THAT FLEXIBILITY, WE ALSO ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU PRIORITIZE THE DEDICATION OF PARKLAND OVER COLLECTIONS OF FEES IN LIEU OF.

SO WE DID A FULL ASSESSMENT OF YOUR PARKLAND DEDICATION AND PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX LOOKS LIKE. SO IF I GO BACK TO WHERE I SHOWED THE CAN I CAN I SAY SOMETHING. YES. SO YOU SAID THE DEDICATION OF PARKLAND TO LAND THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE HAVE IN THE PAST. HAVE WE BEEN GETTING PARKLAND THAT IS JUST FLOODPLAIN, NOT ADEQUATE ENOUGH FOR THE CITY TO USE. IT'S JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT JUST THE LEFTOVER OF A DEVELOPMENT.

EXACTLY. AND WE'RE CALLING THAT THE PARKLAND. SO WE'VE GOT TO DO BETTER AT THAT IF THAT'S WHAT HAS OCCURRED. NO, IT'S JUST A THAT'S NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING THAT THAT AMENDMENT TO THAT POLICY IS TO IF THERE THE LAND THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED HAS SOME FLOODPLAIN. THERE ARE SOME TRADE OFFS WHERE YOU CAN GET SOME PERCENTAGE OF THAT FLOODPLAIN THAT HAS FROM THAT PROPERTY TO BE USED, BUT YOU'RE NOT JUST GETTING THE SCRAPS AS YOU'RE MENTIONED. WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GETTING THE FLOODPLAIN, THEY CAN'T DEVELOP IN IT, AND THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT? AND SO THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THESE TYPES OF INTERVENTIONS. BECAUSE I MEAN

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RIGHT. SO YOU WOULDN'T YOU WOULDN'T JUST GET SCRAPS. SO THIS AMENITY WHERE WE NEED IT IN PARTS OF THE CITY, AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE UNDERSERVED AND NOT JUST GET THE FLOODPLAIN FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS. CORRECT. SO THIS PROTECTS YOU FROM THAT. BUT IF THERE'S ALSO OPTIONS TO PERMIT 25% OF THAT DEDICATION WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN. SO YOU'RE NOT JUST GETTING THE SCRAPS, YOU ARE GETTING DEVELOPABLE LAND. BUT IF THERE'S FLOODPLAIN AREA, YOU CAN ALSO USE IT. IT'S GOING TO BE WASTED. SO YOU CAN ALSO USE THAT AS WELL. IT'S AN ADDED. AS IT'S OKAY. IT'S AN ADDED PIECE. SO WE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE HISTORY OF COUNCIL, WE'VE NEVER WE'VE NEVER MADE THAT TRADE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT JUST DOING THAT. WE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE HISTORY OF OUR VOTES, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DON'T GIVE UP, YOU KNOW, GOOD PARKLAND DEDICATION AND LET THEM SAY IT'S FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO YEAH. SO ALL OF THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MAKE ARE MAKING SURE THAT YOU GET THE BEST OUT OF YOUR THE PARKLAND. AND ONE OF THOSE, THE FIRST ONE THAT I SHOWED WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST GETTING FEES IN IN LIEU OF. AND THAT'S THIS ENSURES THAT AS YOUR CITY GROWS, YOU'RE MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE PARKS AND AREAS OF GROWTH, RIGHT? OFTENTIMES WE SEE THAT DEVELOPERS PREFER TO GIVE YOU A FEE. AND INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING PARKLAND OR DEDICATING. SO ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ENSURING THAT YOU GET THE BEST AND THE MOST OF YOUR PARKLAND. THE TOP OF MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO PARKS AND I SAY, WHY CAN'T WE PUT THIS THERE? IT'S A FLOODPLAIN. YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. SO, COUNCILMEMBER, TO YOUR POINT, THIS THIS WOULD FLIP THAT RATIO AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT THE BULK OF THAT BEING DEVELOPABLE, BETTER LAND. BUT MOST OF OUR LIKE OUR MOST PRECIOUS NATURAL RESOURCES ARE WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN. RIGHT. SO WE DID WANT TO ALLOCATE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT TO SAY THERE'S STILL SOME VALUE I GET THAT. YEAH. OKAY.

AND SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX LOOKS LIKE. IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO TOUCHING WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND IDENTIFIES ACTION ITEMS. RESPONSIBLE PARTIES COST TIME FRAME. AND IT ALSO IDENTIFIES WHAT ARE SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE EASY WINS. SOME OF THESE THAT ARE EASY WINS ARE MORE THEY'RE LESS COST. THEY'RE EASIER TO IMPLEMENT AND LESS COST DRIVEN. SO IT COULD BE IN FOSTERING PARTNERSHIPS, SOME PROGRAMS, SOME THINGS THAT THE CITY CAN ENACT RIGHT NOW. SO WE LISTED ALL OF ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. WHICH ONES ARE THE EASY WINS? WE ALSO PROVIDED A FUNDING MATRIX. SO WE HAVE A OUR TEAM HAS A FUNDING SPECIALIST THAT LOOKS AT WHAT WE RECOMMENDED AND ENLIST ALL THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE CITY CAN SEEK OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A LIST OF DREAMS. AND THEN WE'RE JUST FACED WITH HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? WE PROVIDED A FUNDING MATRIX THAT OFFERS FUNDING SOURCES FOR BROWNFIELDS EVENTS, PROGRAMING HISTORICAL SITES, PARKS, TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS. AND IT BASICALLY GIVES THE CITY A ROADMAP TO WHERE TO LOOK FOR THESE GRANTS. WHO ARE THE AGENCIES? WHAT IS THE GOAL? WHAT ARE THE ELIGIBILITIES AND WHEN TO SUBMIT FOR THESE GRANTS? YEAH. THAT'S IT. WHAT I HAVE FOR TODAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY THOUGHTS? ZINE OF THE KYLE MR. PARK, OF HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THAT CONCEPT. YOU GOT POSSIBLE SWIMMING POOL SPLASH PAD, BUT ALSO YOU'VE GOT A MULTI-USE FIELDS THERE, WHETHER THEY COULD BE SOCCER FIELDS OR MAYBE BASKETBALL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. SO I KNOW THAT'S BEEN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS. IT'S KIND OF NEAT TO SEE, LIKE REALLY WHAT A CONCEPT WOULD LOOK LIKE OVER THERE. RIGHT BY CHOPPA. YES, SIR. AND WHAT PAOLO ALLUDED TO WAS THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT DEFICIT CHART THAT WE SHOWED YOU GUYS EARLIER, AND SO WE'RE LIKE, WHAT ARE THE GREATEST NEEDS FOR THE CITY OF KYLE TO OPTIMIZE ALL OF THOSE LENSES FOR NEEDS, WHETHER IT BE ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND ALL OF THOSE DESIRES THAT CAME BY NATIONAL STANDARDS, ALSO BY COMMUNITY INPUT. AND SO THEY STRATEGICALLY PLACED THOSE WITHIN THOSE UNDEVELOPED CONCEPTS. AND SO THE MOMENT YOU START PLUGGING THOSE SOCCER FIELDS IN OR THOSE TRAILS IN, YOU START SEEING THOSE DEFICIT GAPS SHRINK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE USE OUR NATIVE PLANTS LIST ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE A POLICY CITYWIDE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WATER

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WE AGREE. IN FACT, AS WE DID OUR SOME DUE DILIGENCE AND WORKED WITH THE CONSERVATION FOCUS GROUP, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN IS WE PROBABLY NEED CONSERVATION. A SMALLER CONSERVATION MASTER PLAN, EVENTUALLY REALLY DRILL DOWN ON WHAT'S NEEDED IN REGARD TO THE DISCREPANCY WITH THE COMMUNITY GARDEN. THAT'S SOMETHING WE GOT TO WE'RE GOING TO CORRECT THAT WITHIN OUR CHART, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE ADOPTION. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ASKING FOR 1.6 AND WE HAD THAT. YOU HAD HALF OF THAT. SO WE HAD NONE FOR THE COMMUNITY GARDEN. IT SHOWED US WITH NONE. SO THAT THE MASTER PLAN. YEAH.

AND IT'S ON, ON THE SLIDE. AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE VULNERABILITY FACTORS. I KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE LEVELS WERE ON THOSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S IT GOES INTO WE HAVE A BROWNFIELD THAT FITS IN THERE, BUT DO WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT. DO WE HAVE THOSE. IS THERE A MATRIX. YES. THAT WE COULD GET TO SHOW WHERE THE VALUES. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN RIZZO. YEAH I REALLY LIKE THE LINE. BURGER PARK. THAT ALSO CONCEPT IS REALLY COOL. I THINK IT'S A RESOURCE THAT WE'VE HAD THAT WE'VE NOT REALLY UTILIZED. SO TO SEE THIS COME INTO FRUITION IS REALLY NICE. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TRY TO NAVIGATE THAT AND TRY TO GO OUT THERE AND USE SOME OF IT, JUST IT'S JUST NOT THE OVERGROWTH AND EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. SO TO SEE THIS IN FRONT OF US IS GREAT. THE OTHER THING I LIKE IS THE I MEAN, THAT LINE BURGER LAKE IS JUST LOOKS REALLY GOOD. THAT CONCEPT. BUT I ALSO LIKE THE FOUR SEASON FARMS, THE PLAYSCAPE, EVERYTHING. THE WATER FEATURES THING LOOKS REALLY GOOD AT. LOOK, HONESTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE'RE PLANNING SOMETHING REALLY NICE FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE. SO THANK THANK YOUR TEAM FOR DOING THAT.

APPRECIATE IT. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. I'LL SAVE THEM FOR THE NEXT TWO. OKAY. WELL WE DO HAVE SOME PARKS ITEMS COMING UP. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. RECOMMENDATION FOR ACTION ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION BY THE MAYOR. SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS THAT WE APPROVE. AGENDA ITEM 17. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, I KNOW YOU DID MAKE SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LIGHTING LIGHT POLLUTION INCLUDED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL RISK FACTORS AND AN EMPHASIS ON TREES AND ASSURANCE THAT THE PARKS HAVE ADEQUATE RESTROOMS. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL

[18) Consider approval of Task Order No. 1 with Dunaway Associates, LLC to conduct preliminary design services for Steeplechase and Lake Kyle Park in an amount not to exceed $305,580.]

PLANNING EFFORTS FOR BOTH OF THESE PARKS WILL PROCEED SIMULTANEOUSLY TO ACCEPT TO

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SO ULTIMATELY WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PARKS. SO DO YOU NEED 6 TO 8 MONTHS TO DESIGN OR CAN YOU SPEED THIS UP WITH THREE MONTHS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, GET THIS LOCKED DOWN AND START SHOWING US LIKE SOME IDEAS, SOME CONCEPTS, OR BECAUSE IT'S IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE THIS A LITTLE FASTER? YEAH, WE HAVE 6 TO 8 MONTHS. IT'S A PRETTY NORMAL FOR THAT TIMELINE.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN FAST TRACK SOME OF THESE COMPONENTS WITH THE PROS MASTER PLAN THAT WAS JUST APPROVED. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, SO THAT COULD BE THINGS THAT WE WILL IMPLEMENT INTO THIS AND MAYBE HAVE A SHORTER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WINDOW FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS LIKE, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE, THE, THE ASPECTS AND THE ELEMENTS OF THE, OF THE FIELDS.

RIGHT. BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO USE THOSE, YOU KNOW, AND WE JUST CAN'T HAVE A PLAYGROUND. IT'S GOT TO HAVE BETTER, HIGHER STANDARD, BETTER PRODUCT THAT THAT CAME OUT OF THE VISIONING WORKSHOP. SO I'M LOOKING FOR THE BETTER PRODUCT OUT THERE IN THE FIELDS. CAN I AGREE WITH YOU MORE? OKAY. AND LET'S REMOVE THAT EXERCISE PIECE AT THE LAKE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S THERE. FOR PEOPLE TO EXERCISE. NO, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BAD THING. TO RECAP MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 18 MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO. SECONDED BY MYSELF. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM 19.

[19) Consider approval of Task Order No. 1 with Freese and Nichols, Inc. to conduct preliminary design services for Gregg-Clarke and Waterleaf Park in an amount not to exceed $382,023.]

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SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KENNEDY TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 19. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YEAH, CHRIS, MY COMMENTS WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE LAST ONE NOTED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL

[20) Consider approval of Task Order No. 1 with Parkhill, Smith & Cooper, Inc. for design services to support improvements at Mary Kyle Hartson Park and the Krug Activity Center, including a restroom facility, ornamental fountain, and feasibility study in an amount not to exceed $196,750.]

FOR MARY CLARKSON, WE'RE LOOKING AT A TIMELINE OF 5 TO 8 MONTHS TO INCLUDE THE ELEMENTS ON THE SLIDE, SPECIFICALLY FOR ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING DESIGN FOR A NEW PERMANENT RESTROOM, AND PRELIMINARY DESIGN OPTIONS FOR IMPROVING THE EXISTING FOUNTAIN, INCLUDING HISTORIC SITE COMPLIANCE REVIEW WITH HAYS COUNTY AND THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE CREEK ACTIVITY CENTER WILL BE ASSESSING THE FACILITY STRUCTURE AND SITE CONSTRAINTS, REVIEWING SPACE USE, ADA AND INFRASTRUCTURE, HISTORICAL ELEMENTS, AND EXPLORING REPROGRAMING OPTIONS FOR COMMUNITY NEEDS. BOTH OF THESE HAVE A TIMELINE OF 5 TO 8 MONTHS AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO THIS IS OR IS NOT CONTEMPLATING THE INSIDE OF CREEK ACTIVITY CENTER. WHEN YOU SAY CONTEMPLATING, ARE YOU REFERRING TO REIMAGINING WHAT THAT SPACE COULD BE? YEAH, I MEAN IT'S DESIGN SERVICES. IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE SPACE. YES. SO THERE'S THREE THREE PIECES TO THIS. SO YOU HAVE THE RESTROOM FACILITY, YOU HAVE THE FOUNTAIN AND THEN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE CREEK CENTER. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT THAT SPACE COULD BE, WHETHER IT'S REPURPOSING IT FOR DIFFERENT CITY FUNCTION. BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT ASSESSMENT. OKAY. SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH. JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THE STEPS AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T TRY TO TAKE ANY SHORTCUTS ON. THIS IS HISTORIC PART OF OUR TOWN. AND WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT, GETTING PLENTY OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON IT WITH THE DESIGN WOULD BE GREAT AS WELL. ON THE DESIGN ITSELF, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO START FROM SCRATCH, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT. THERE WAS SOMETHING ON THERE OF IT BEING FABRICATED SOMEWHERE ELSE OR SOMETHING, OR IS THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE OPTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD ONCE WE GET TO THOSE DESIGN STAGES, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW ARCHITECTURAL OR IT'S GOING TO BE STARTING WITH A PREFABRICATED RESTROOM FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BUILD FROM. BUT EITHER THOSE OPTIONS WILL BE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHES THE SURROUNDINGS.

ABSOLUTELY. KIND OF WHAT THE BIG PUSH WILL BE FOR MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT INVASIVE TO THE AREA. ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TOBIAS. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON THE TOILETS SUBJECT FINALLY. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES. SO WHAT WHAT ARE THE CONCEPT BE TO WHERE WITH THE CREW BUILDING THAT YOU WOULD JUST BASICALLY TAKE OUT THOSE RESTROOMS FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF AND BUILD A SEPARATE BATHROOM? OR ARE WE GOING TO BUILD AN OUTDOOR STYLE BATHROOM LIKE WE HAVE AT LAKE KYLE AND STILL HAVE THE RESTROOMS IN THE BUILDING ITSELF, BECAUSE THERE ARE RESTROOMS THERE? CORRECT. THERE ARE BATHROOMS THAT PEOPLE CAN USE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT PUT HOMEMADE SIGNS THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHO GAVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT. THAT PULLS PEOPLE AWAY TO WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A TRAILER. AND WE'VE HAD SOME RESIDENTS COMPLAIN THAT THOSE TRAILERS THAT WE USE ARE DIRTY. THEY SMELL, OF COURSE, PEOPLE URINATE IN THERE AND USE OTHER STUFF. THEY'RE NOT SANITIZED AND SO FORTH. SO THERE ARE BATHROOMS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN. THEY'RE JUST NOT BEING ABLE TO BE UTILIZED.

CORRECT. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT THERE ARE BATHROOMS INSIDE THE FACILITY. THIS WILL

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YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS UP THERE. IT WAS JUST GENERALLY FOR HANDICAPPED MARKET DAYS. YEAH.

BUT BUT BUT IT IS SMALL EVEN WITH THE NEW BATHROOMS COMING IN. IF WE BUILD THOSE WE'RE STILL WHEN WE HAVE BIG EVENTS, WE'LL STILL HAVE TO BRING OUT THE TRAILERS. AND THESE ARE REALLY NICE TRAILERS. THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, THEY'RE IN HIGH DEMAND. THEY'RE AIR CONDITIONED. THEY'RE HUGE. NOW, IF AS A CITY, WE CAN PROBABLY DO BETTER TO KEEP THEM CLEAN THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THROUGHOUT THE EVENT, SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'VE GOT GREAT VENTILATION. THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILT REALLY, REALLY GOOD. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT WANT THESE TRAILERS, AND WE'VE BEEN LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO USE THEM FOR OUR EVENTS BECAUSE USUALLY THEY'RE IN HIGH DEMAND. THEY'RE GONE. SO WHEN WE HAVE TO OF COURSE, ANYTHING THAT WE TOUCH DOWNTOWN, WE GOT TO GET WITH EVERYBODY'S HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

ABSOLUTELY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE PLACED? THE RESTROOM? YES, YES, WE HAVE. AND WE HAVE MADE INITIAL CONNECTION WITH BOTH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THEN STARTED TALKING WITH WITH HAYS COUNTY AS WELL. AND THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT AND KEEP THEM UP TO DATE WITH THE PROGRESS OF THIS AND ULTIMATELY GET THEIR APPROVAL ON THE LOCATION, ON THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE FACADE, EVERYTHING IS IF WE IF WE GO WITH, LIKE WE SAY, LARGE EVENTS AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE STALL OR TWO STALLS, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION. LIKE EVERYBODY'S SAYING OVER HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE INADEQUATE FOR A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MAIN THING IS PROVIDING ANOTHER RESTROOM, WHETHER IT'S OUTSIDE, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO BE NEEDING TO ADD THE TRAILERS IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY THE, THE, THE OVERALL GOAL. YEAH. AND WE CAN TALK WITH OUR CONSULTANT TEAM AS FAR AS SCALING APPROPRIATELY FOR THESE TYPE OF EVENTS. SO LETTING THEM KNOW, HEY, WE HAVE SO MANY EVENTS. HERE'S THE ATTENDANCE THAT WE FORESEE. WHAT IS THAT RATIO FOR US TO HAVE PROPER RESTROOMS. SO YEAH THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT. THAT ANALYSIS HAS TWO. THEY HAVE THE ONE WHERE YOU COME OUT OF THE OFFICE AND YOU GO IN THERE, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE ONES ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU'RE DEALING WITH A HISTORICAL SITE. YEAH. SO YOU GOT TO BE MINIMAL INVASIVE IN THAT SITE. SO BUILDING A BATHROOM IS PART OF IT BEHIND IT ALL. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE. THEN WE HAVE OUR ALSO WE HAVE OUR HANDCUFFS ON SOMETHING ELSE.

YEAH. YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD BUILD A MINIMAL SITE BATHROOM BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC SITE. BE LESS INVASIVE IN THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO DOMINATE THE

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WHAT? WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE THAT ARE AT THE PARK STILL NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM SOMEHOW WASH THEIR HANDS. OR MAYBE A MOM HAS TO CHANGE A KID DIAPER OR SOMETHING. MY, MY CONCERN IS THERE. AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THE THIS LINGERING PROBLEM OF DO WE PUT A BATHROOM HERE? I THINK AT ONE POINT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, GOT PUSHED BACK. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO STAY? MAKE SURE WE ARE IN ADA COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THE MARKET DAYS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR REGULAR SUNDAY, YOUR REGULAR SATURDAY. AND IF THAT BUILDING IS CLOSED, WHAT DO YOU TELL SOMEONE DOWN THERE? GO TO MILT'S BARBECUE OR JUST HOLD IT? WELL, HANG ON TO BE CLEAR, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO WE'RE WE'RE VOTING TO START A DESIGN FOR RESTROOM TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES WHILE ALSO. YEAH, BUT ARE WE CURRENTLY IN, IN AND OUT OF COMPLIANCE STAGE, LIKE, ARE WE IN AND OUT OF COMPLIANCE STAGE ON ON A NORMAL WEEKEND DOWN THERE? I WOULDN'T SAY WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. THERE'S NO LAW THAT REQUIRES THERE TO BE RESTROOMS. IN GENERAL, WHEN WE HAVE THESE MAJOR EVENTS, WE DO HAVE THE ADA TRAILER. NOW. FORTUNATELY, THROUGH OUR CONTRACT, I SEE THERE'S THREE TIERS. THERE'S ONE'S CONVERSATION ON THE DAILY USAGE OF THE PARK, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING INTO RESTROOM WITHIN THE SITE CONSTRAINTS AND HONORING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PARK. SO WE WANT TO DESIGN LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITHIN THOSE CONSTRAINTS AND MAXIMIZE THAT FOOTPRINT FOR DAILY USE. ANOTHER REASON FOR THE LOCATION WAS WE WANT TO BE AS CLOSE TO THE PLAYGROUND FOR THE LITTLES. THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS. WE'LL STILL NEED TO SUPPLEMENT RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, NICE RESTROOMS THAT ARE CLIMATE CONTROLLED DURING MAJOR EVENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT TYPICAL THAT YOU SEE, LIKE THE ENTIRE TOWN DESCEND UPON A SMALL PARK LIKE MARY ARTS. AND IT'S BELOVED, IT'S POPULAR. IT'S A LONE STAR LEGACY PARK BECAUSE OF THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, HOWEVER, WE ARE REIMAGINING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE CREW FOR. DOCTOR HARRIS ALLUDED TO THEM BEING AN INADEQUATE FOR THAT TYPE OF USAGE RIGHT NOW. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BUT PART OF THE REIMAGINING COULD BE, HEY, HOW CAN WE PARDON THE WORD? BUT, YOU KNOW, HARD ENOUGH THESE RESTROOMS AND MAKE THEM MORE ADA COMPLIANT AND ALSO VANDAL RESISTANT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OPEN ACCESS TO THEM RIGHT NOW, ONE BAD ACT OF VANDALISM OR EVEN EVEN JUST SOME EXCESSIVE USAGE OF RESTROOMS COULD CREATE SOME MAJOR PLUMBING ISSUES. BUT ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AS PART OF THIS CONTRACT AND THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT. SO MY OTHER AGENDA ITEM WAS IF WE COULD LOOK AT I THINK RIGHT NOW WE OPERATE 24 HOURS AT ALL. THE PARK'S RESTROOMS ARE OPEN. WELL, TECHNICALLY THE PARKS HAVE HOURS, BUT WE HAVE A CURFEW. RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE A CURFEW.

THERE'S ONLY ONE RESTROOM RIGHT NOW WITHIN OUR SYSTEM THAT HAS MAGNETIC LOCKS ON IT. THAT'S THE COOL SPRINGS RESTROOM THAT COINCIDES WITH PARK HOURS. SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSING WAS MAKING ADDING MORE MAGNETIC STRIKES, AUTOMATED LOCKING ON RESTROOMS IN OUR SYSTEM. WE HAVEN'T HAD HUGE ACTS OF VANDALISM. FORTUNATELY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT COULDN'T HAPPEN. WE COULD BE PROACTIVE IN LOOKING INTO THAT. IT WOULDN'T BE A BIG EXPENSE. WE CAN COVER IT WITH AN OPERATIONAL COST IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE. THAT'S THE THING I WAS GOING TO KIND OF ALLUDE TO BECAUSE AS WE'RE INVESTING MORE IN THESE PREMIER PARKS, WE DON'T WANT THEM JUST DAMAGED OVERNIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN 24 HOURS. THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A CURFEW ON THEM, LIGHTING TOILET PAPER IN A RESTROOM. THAT'S ONE OF THE VANDALISM ACTS THAT HAPPENED RIGHT AT WATERLEAF. SO, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS STAFF TIME CLEANUP. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. SO THAT WAS MY SECOND ITEM WAS, COULD WE LOOK AT MAKING IT MORE VANDAL VANDAL PROOF SINCE WE HAVE A CURFEW IN THE PARKS ANYHOW? WOULDN'T THAT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE AUTOMATIC LOCKS ON THEM OR. YEAH, WE TRY TO BE PROACTIVE. I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS PART OF OUR ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITH THE ONES THAT HAD DONE OUR FIRST

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