* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:01] IT IS NOW SIX 30 AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE CITY OF KYLE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YEAH, YOU'RE ON MUTE, NICOLE HERE. CHRISTIE HERE, HERE, CHASE. HERE, JAMES HERE. ITEM NUMBER THREE [3.  Minutes] IS MINUTES. WE HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 9TH, 2021 REGULAR MEETING, FEBRUARY 24TH, 2021 WORKSHOP MEETING MARCH 9TH, 2021 WORKSHOP MEETING AND MARCH 23RD, 2021 REGULAR MEETING. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? YES. UM, I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 9TH, FEBRUARY 24TH, MARCH 9TH AND MARCH 23RD. I HAVE A MOTION. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE EMOTION IN THIS SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. THE MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED. NUMBER FOUR, CITIZENS COMMENTS. UM, IF THERE IS ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO PROVIDE AS SOON AS IN COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, UH, PERTINENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING. THIS IS YOUR TIME FOR YOUR THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK UP. IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE LINE? DEBT MOS. OKAY. SEEING NO ONE OR HEARING NO ONE, I SHOULD SAY I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A, B, C AND D. CAN I HAVE, OH YES. MR. KUHN. I MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, WHO'S ON THE LINE WITH THE LAST THREE NUMBERS OF THEIR PHONE NUMBER FOUR, FIVE. OH, I SEE THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UM, THE APPLICANT ON ITEM SIX, A AND I WAS TOLD TO CALL IN ON THIS LINE. OKAY. NO. EXCELLENT. I JUST, UH, I JUST SAW WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE AN ANONYMOUS PHONE NUMBER. SO I DIDN'T KNOW. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, [5.  Consent] OKAY. BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? YES. I MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UH, FIVE, A B, C, N D. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND. DID I GET A SECOND? I HEARD SOMEBODY SECOND. OKAY. I WAS SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA, BETH. [A.   The Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Kyle, Texas, will hold two public hearings for the purpose of receiving testimony, comments, and written evidence from the public regarding a comprehensive plan amendment to add Manufactured Home Subdivision Districts ‘M-2’ and ‘M-3’ to the ‘New Town Community District’ in the Comprehensive Plan, for a property located at 600 Bebee Road in the City of Kyle, Texas. (Hadsell Estate – Z-21-0075)   Public Hearing (First of Two Public Hearings) ] I REMEMBER SIX. WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AS IT STANDS. IT IS ONLY A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON EACH ITEM, BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT THAT WILL COME DOWN THE ROAD. WHEN IT'S BROUGHT BEFORE US FOR DISCUSSION. THIS IS PURELY FOR PUBLIC INPUT. OKAY. EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I'M BEING LIKE A CHOWDER HEAD FOR NOT LETTING YOU SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX, A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GOING TO, UH, LET ME READ THE ITEMS. FIRST. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF KYLE TEXAS WILL HOLD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECEIVING TESTIMONY, COMMENTS, AND WRITTEN EVIDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO ADD MANUFACTURED, HOME SUBDIVISION DISTRICTS, AND TWO AND MP3 TO THE NEW TOWN COMMUNITY DISTRICT AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 600 VB ROAD IN THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS HAS HAD UP A STATE Z 21 DASH ZERO ZERO SEVEN FIVE. I WILL OPEN THE FIRST OF THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THIS ITEM. SIX. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? DEBBIE WAS THERE. UM, I HAVE THAT. I HAVE THAT. WELL, I'M [00:05:01] JUST WAITING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE, NOBODY DEAD HERE NOW TO SPEAK ON SUCCESS. OKAY. UM, THERE IS A COMMENT THAT WAS, UM, EMAILED IN FROM A MR. CARL DE WOOD. AND HE IS, I WILL READ EXACTLY FROM HIS EMAIL. UM, I AM AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGE. I AM SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON A FIRST-CLASS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW FROM MY 47 YEARS IN REAL ESTATE, THIS WILL BRING DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LAND VALUES IN THE AREA, THUS REDUCING THE TAX MONEY, COMING INTO THE CITY OF KYLE. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER AREAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS KIND OF USE. I AM RETURNING MY OBJECTION FORM VIA EMAIL. YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO IT BACK. THAT IS IT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY. HEARING NO ONE WHO HAS CALLED IN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM [B.   The Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Kyle, Texas, will hold two public hearings for the purpose of receiving testimony, comments, and written evidence from the public regarding a Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map amendment to reclassify approximately 20 acres of land from ‘Farm District’ to ‘Regional Node District’ and the remaining approximately 87 acres of land from ‘Farm District’ to the ‘New Settlement District’ for property located at the north corner of the intersection at SH-21 and E FM 150. (FM 812, LLC - JD’s Market)   Public Hearing (First of Two Public Hearings)    ] ITEMS, SIX BEING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF KYLE TEXAS WILL HOLD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECEIVING TESTIMONY, COMMENTS, AND WRITTEN EVIDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT TO RECLASSIFY, APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES OF LAND FROM FARM DISTRICT TO REGIONAL NODE DISTRICT AND THE REMAINING 87 ACRES OF LAND FROM FARM DISTRICT TO THE NEW SETTLEMENT DISTRICT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTH CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION AT S H 21 AND EAST F M ONE-FIFTY F M EIGHT ONE 12 L L C D DASH J D MARKET. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? DEB, DO WE HAVE ANYONE? NO. OKAY. I ALSO HAVE A FORM HERE. UM, IT IS FROM A MR. ADAM, EIGHT MED, A MAP EMAD EMAR. HE IS SPEAKING AS A REPRESENTATIVE FOR J D S SUPERMARKET. AND THE ONLY THING HE SAYS HERE IS HE IS FOR THIS. SURE. HEY, HEARING AND SEEING, I GUESS NO ONE ELSE. I WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING. [A.   Consider a request by RR HPI, LLC (Z-21-0077) for the purpose of amending PUD documentation related to approximately 107.247 acres of land to allow impervious surfaces calculations for two or more lots within the ‘PUD’ that may be combined and considered as a whole, such that the impervious cover across the lots remains in accordance with the City of Kyle limits by district type for property located on Vista Ridge Dr. and Gateway Blvd., in Hays County, Texas.   Public Hearing ] NUMBER SEVEN, CONSIDER AND POP POSSIBLE. ACTION. SEVEN A CONSIDER A REQUEST BY OUR R H P I L L C Z 21 ZERO ZERO SEVEN SEVEN. FOR THE PURPOSE OF AMENDING P U D DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO APPROXIMATELY 107.2, FOUR SEVEN ACRES OF LAND TO ALLOW IMPERVIOUS SURFACES CALCULATIONS FOR TWO OR MORE LOTS WITHIN THE PUD THAT MAY BE COMBINED AND CONSIDERED AS A WHOLE SUCH THAT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ACROSS THE LOTS REMAINS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY OF KYLE LIMITS BY DISTRICT TYPE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON VISTA RIDGE DRIVE AND GATEWAY BOULEVARD IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. ALSO IS THERE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE TO OPEN IT FIRST. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEMINARY? NO. HAVE NOBODY HERE WITH HBI IS HERE IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT NO DISSENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HEARING? NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. ATKINSON. ALL RIGHT, LET ME, UH, PULL UP THE STAFF REPORT HERE. WE'LL I CAN SEND FOR THE RECORD, UM, CITY PLANNER, UH, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE THE REQUEST A Z DASH 21 DASH ZERO ZERO SEVEN SEVEN. UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY, UM, AMENDING THE CODE [00:10:01] FOR 38.2 ACRES WITHIN THE 107 ACRE, UH, PUD, UM, TO ALLOW IMPERVIOUS COVER AVERAGING BETWEEN TWO OR MORE LOTS. UM, RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE THE VICINITY MAP OF THE PUD. THE YELLOW OUTLINE IS THE 107 ACRES, UM, FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UM, THIS IS A ZONING ACTION. UM, TYPICALLY HAVE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU HAVE STRAIGHT ZONING, UH, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU SAY, HEY, I WANT TO BUILD, UH, A CONVENIENCE STORE. SO YOU HAVE TO GET A CERTAIN ZONING OR I WANT TO BUILD A WAREHOUSE AND YOU GET A DIFFERENT ZONING, OR I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU HAVE IS DIFFERENT ZONING WITH A PUD. IT ALLOWS FOR, UM, A COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ZONING. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM A, YOU CAN GET SOME FLEXIBILITY ON SETBACK, IMPERVIOUS COVER, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STUFF ON LANDSCAPING, PARKING RATIOS, ALL THESE THINGS THAT STAFF HAS TO LOOK AT TO BE COMPLIANT WHENEVER SOMEONE SUBMITS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. WE HAVE THE, UH, THE HPI PUD OR THE HAZE COMMERCE CENTER, IF YOU WILL, UH, JUST NORTH OF, UH, HOME DEPOT, UM, AT KYLE CROSSING. AND THERE'S CURRENTLY ABOUT THERE'S THREE DEVELOPED SITES FOR SURE THAT ARE THEY'RE UP AND RUNNING. UM, WE'VE GOT A FEDEX FACILITY ALYESKA, WHICH DOES A LINEN CLEANING. WE HAVE ANOTHER FACILITY UP HERE, UH, THAT DOES A SCREEN PRINTING FOR, UH, UNDER ARMOUR AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL ADDITIONAL SITES IN HERE THAT ARE YET TO BE UNDEVELOPED, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE SITE. AND SO, UM, MOVING DOWN, THESE ARE THE ACTUAL LOTS EFFECTED WITHIN THE 107 ACRES, ALL THE BLUE HASHMARKS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 38.2. UM, THE ORIGINAL SITE WAS ZONED ON, UH, IN AUGUST OF 2011 WITH ORDINANCE SIX 71. AND, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO AMEND THE CODE AGAIN WITHIN THAT PUD TO, UH, HELP THE PROJECT MOVE ALONG. UH, RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP, UH, JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF. UM, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORTS, WE EXPOUND A LOT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT'S A FOUNDATION FOR OUR ZONING CODE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TELLS YOU WHAT ZONINGS CAN BE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE FOR THIS PROJECT OR THIS REQUEST, THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR ZONING IN PLACE. WE ARE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT ONE WAY TO ADDRESS IMPERVIOUS COVER WITHIN THE ZONING. SO WE REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT ALL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE. UM, SO ONE OF THE LOTS, UM, SOMEONE'S EXTREMELY INTERESTED IN THERE'S A SOMEONE WANTING TO PURCHASE IT AND DEVELOP A SITE. UM, AND AS WE WERE MOVING ALONG IN THE PROCESS, UM, THEY REALIZED THEY WERE DOING EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO GET IT TO BE CODE COMPLIANT. UM, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS PRETTY MUCH CODE COMPLIANT, EXCEPT THEY COULDN'T GET THE IMPERVIOUS COVER DOWN TO, TO 75% BECAUSE IT'S EITHER IT'S A COMBINATION TO BE THEIR WAREHOUSE OR CONSTRUCTION, MANUFACTURING, ZONING FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE. AND THEY HAVE TO BE AT 75% MAXIMUM. UM, AND THE WAY OUR CODE READS YOUR IMPERVIOUS COVER MAXIMUM IS BASED ON A PER LOT BASIS. HOWEVER, AS THIS IS A PUD IN A MASTER DEVELOPMENT, FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM, SO THEY CAN AVERAGE TWO OR MORE LOTS TOGETHER TO GET THE, THE AVERAGE FROM A 75% PERSPECTIVE OR 80%, DEPENDING ON WHICH, WHICH USE IT IS. SO IT HELPS WITH THAT. IT HELPS THEM MOVE THEIR PLAN ALONG. AND WE DON'T, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT. UH, THIS IDEA OF, OF AVERAGING FROM TWO DIFFERENT LOTS FROM AN IMPERVIOUS COVER STANDPOINT, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD OF BEFORE WE KNOW THE CITY OF AUSTIN, DOES IT, UM, ENGINEERING WHO'S ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AND MAKE SURE THAT THE STORMWATER CONVEYANCE WORKS WELL. THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH IT. WE JUST HAVE TO MEND OUR CODE WITHIN THIS PUD TO MAKE IT WORK. UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT. UH, WE FIND IT PERFECTLY FINE. WE JUST NEED AN APPROVAL IN A PUBLIC HEARING SETTING TO DO SO. UM, NO INCLUDING PARTS OF THE CODE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WHERE THEY CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY FROM MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IS THE HIGHLIGHTED PART THERE. UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY THOUGHTS [00:15:01] THAT Y'ALL WANT TO PRESENT? A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, SORRY FOR BEING LATE. FIRST OF ALL, BY THE WAY, UM, ARE WE ARE ALL THE LOTS ARE PLANTED, UH, LOTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED OWNED OR CONTROLLED BY THE SAME PERSON RIGHT NOW, ARE WE, UH, SETTING SOME FUTURE PROBLEM UP HERE? IF WE ALLOW THIS TO BE BYPASSED OR A CONSOLIDATED AND THEN SADDLING AND CREATING AN ALBATROSS PROPERTY THERE, I CAN ANSWER THAT. WELL, IF YOU WANT, THEY ARE ALL OWNED BY HPI. ALL THE REMAINING LOTS BELONG TO US, PUT DEED RESTRICTIONS ON EACH LOT PENDING THIS FED REVISION SYNDICATE, UM, TO INDICATE THIS CHANGE IN THE TIME. AND ADDITIONALLY, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S A PRIVATE SECTOR DEAL, UM, THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON EACH LINE WILL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHENEVER THEY DO DEVELOP THAT. AND SO BOTH THE, THE PUD OR THE OWNERS OF THE HPI AND THE CIVIL ENGINEER WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE IDEA, AND WE'LL BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND BE ABLE TO DESIGN IT APPROPRIATELY. WHAT'S THE RISK. IS THERE ANY RISK TO THIS WITH REGARD TO MAINTAINING IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, REQUIREMENTS DOWN THE ROAD? IF WE DO THIS, IS THERE ANY RISK TO THE CITY? IS THERE ANY RISK OF FUTURE LANDOWNERS IF, IF UH, OWNERSHIP GETS TRANSFERRED? NO, BECAUSE, UM, ALL THESE LOTS, UM, FROM A STORMWATER COMMAND STANDPOINT, THEY ALL FEED INTO, UM, REGIONAL DETENTION PONDS THAT ARE ALSO WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION. SO INTERNALLY FROM THAT POINT, IT'S, IT'S A WASH FROM AN IMPERVIOUS COVER STANDPOINT. UM, IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND I ASSUME THE PHYSICS OF IT ALL WORK OUT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL CONCENTRATED ALL OVER HERE, IT'S STILL GOING TO, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO FLOW THERE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, OH, WHOOPS. WE HAD AN IMBALANCE HERE. WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S ALL GONNA GET WORKED OUT, I ASSUME. YEAH. CAUSE EVEN THE, EVEN THE, THE INLETS FOR THE STREETS THAT ARE WITHIN INSIDE THE, UM, THAT, THAT POD BOUNDARY, THAT SUBDIVISION, THEY GO TO THE STORMWATER. THEY'RE THE TWO, THE DETENTION PONDS THAT ARE OKAY. SO I THANK YOU. IT'S MY PLEASURE. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ATKINSON? THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE MAKE A FULL MOTION, WHICH IS, DO WE HAVE TO, WHEN WE MAKE THE MOTION TO, UM, CONFIRM THE ITEM, UH, DO WE HAVE TO GIVE A SPECIFIC CHANGE? OR IF DO WE JUST SAY MOTION TO AFFIRM FROM ITEM? IS THERE ANY SORT OF SPECIFIC, LIKE 80 TO 75% THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE A MOTION CORRECTLY? YES. YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS WRITTEN MY CORRECT ON THAT, HOWARD. YEAH. THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION TO YOU. YES. YEP. OKAY. BRANDON, BRANDON, YOU MAKE THE MOTION. UH, I MOVED TO APPROVE THIS AS WRITTEN ITEM SEVEN, EIGHT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. IT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OH, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, SORRY, ALEX, GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO THIS IS OUR DISCUSSION TIME BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONERS AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THIS THE WRONG WAY, BUT I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE. I'D LIKE SOMEONE TO TRY TO WALK ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IF YOU GUYS OKAY. YES, HOWARD. GREAT. COULDN'T GET MY MOUSE TO THE MUTE BUTTON. UH, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN IT AGAIN, I WILL. IF YOU'VE GOT MORE QUESTIONS, JUST GO AHEAD. OH, OKAY. UH, JUST ONE SECOND. SO I MEAN, W WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IT'S OKAY. I, I, IF I HAVE IN LOT THAT IS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVER, THEN IT'S OKAY FOR ANOTHER LOT TO BE WELL BEYOND THE MAXIMUM. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET TO THE ABSOLUTE LIMIT ON ONE LOT. I CAN SURPASS IT ON ANOTHER. AND THAT [00:20:01] CONCERNS ME, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE AS PAUL WAS SAYING THE WAY IT COULD BE DESIGNED THE WAY IT, I MEAN, I'M, THIS DOESN'T SEEM AS CUT AND DRY AS, AS, AS, AS MAYBE WILL, OR AS WE WERE. SO THIS DOES CONCERN ME. I'M NOT SURE IF I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT INCORRECTLY OR, BUT I AM A BIT MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS THAN I THINK IT'S A POLICY DECISION WITHOUT QUESTION. I MEAN, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T GLOSS OVER IT. IT'S, IT'S NOT MINOR IN, IN THAT WAY, BUT WHAT IT IS IS IT'S JUST THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES OR, OR THE ALLOCATION OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PARENTS, UH, BOUNDED, YOU KNOW, THAT THE OVERALL SITE. SO TO AN EXTENT, THIS IS A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, JUST ON A VERY, VERY MICRO SCALE, JUST INSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT SITE. UM, IF YOU, IF YOU BACK OUT A LITTLE BIT AND LOOK AT IT FROM MAYBE A 10,000 FOOT VIEW, INSTEAD OF A 1000 FOOT VIEW, THE OVERALL DENSITY FOR THE PARENT BOUNDARIES WILL NOT EXCEED WHAT THE CITY OF KYLE WOULD PERMIT TODAY, SCORE FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO FOR THE 107 ACRES OR SO, UM, BUT IT'S 107 ACRES WILL NOT EXCEED THE 80% ISR. THIS IS WHAT THAT NUMBER. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY UNLIKE WHAT YOU WOULD GET ON A MUCH SMALLER SCALE. I MEAN, YOU COULD USE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT AS A, AS A EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE YOUR AVERAGE 8,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOT THAT SOMEBODY HAS THEIR HOME PLACE ON IT AND SLICE IT INTO FOUR PIECES OR EQUAL PIECES. WELL, MORE THAN LIKELY THE BACKYARD IS GOING TO HAVE A MUCH LOWER LOT COVERAGE RATIO THAN THE FRONT YARD MIGHT HAVE, BECAUSE BACKYARD SETBACKS ARE USUALLY LARGER. THE FRONT YARD IS GOING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN IT, PROBABLY A SIDEWALK. SO REALLY, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, THE FURTHER BACK YOU GO, THE MORE LIKELIHOOD IT IS THAT YOU CAN ATTENUATE FOR STORM WATER. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR HERE. BUT THE SITE HAS TWO MEANS OF BEING MANAGED. THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN STORM WATER, OR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY'S STORM WATER. IT'S ON APRIL CALLED PARTY BONDS OR SHARED DETENTION. THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TERMS FOR IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO SEE IF THAT THE SCIENCE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE RUNOFF SUPERMODEL RUNOFF FROM THE PARENT'S BITE DOES NOT EXCEED THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS. AS OUR EXPECTATION THROUGH THE SCIENCE OF CIVIL ENGINEERING, THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING, THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE ENTIRE SITE WILL BE SUCH THAT NO STORMWATER WILL GET OFF THE ENTIRE SITE AT A RATE THAT'S FASTER THAN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION RIGHT NOW. THAT'S JUST MEASURED INDIVIDUALLY LOT BY LOT. BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS, UH, IS RIGHT NOW IT'S TIED INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS. IT'S TIED INTO THE CITY OF PILES, UM, DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES, AND THERE'S ALSO STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS ON HOW FESTIVAL MONITORING. SO THIS IS, UM, CREATIVE THINKING. I'LL CALL IT ON THE, ON THE PART OF KYLE, IF IT'S NEW AND PROBABLY MORE PROGRESSIVE TO KYLE GENERALLY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES YOU'VE WORKED FOR. BUT AS FAR AS THE TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS GO, UM, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY NEW. IT JUST FREES UP SOME ABILITY FOR THEM TO DEVELOP CERTAIN SITES THAT HAVE STANDARD DIFFERENT FROM CERTAIN OTHERS. PATRICIA, YOU'RE ON MUTE. I JUST WANTED, I DIDN'T KNOW. I DIDN'T KNOW. I COULDN'T SEE HOW TO RAISE MY HAND. SO, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO IN THE EVENT THAT THIS PARCEL WAS RIGHT NOW, IT'S OWNED BY ONE OWNER IN THE EVENT THAT IT WAS DIVIDED AND PARSONS WERE PAID OFF OR SOLD OFF, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE, IS IT IN THE TITLE WORK? WHERE WOULD THE NEW OWNER FIND THAT PERSON POSSIBLY THEY'RE CARRYING THE BURDEN OF THAT FOR THIS PROPERTY? SO THIS, THIS REQUIREMENT, THIS, THIS, THIS BECOMES AN ORDINANCE, WHICH MEANS IT BECOMES CITY LAW. UM, AND THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND, UH, CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP DOES NOT CHANGE THE METRICS OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS. AND IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS BEING THE MAXIMUMS, THE MINIMUMS, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO, UM, THIS IS THE RULE FOR ANY PERSON THAT DEVELOPS THESE PROPERTIES. THE DEED WOULD RESTRICT THAT LOT FROM BEING OVERDEVELOPED. IF PART OF THE LOT HAD BEEN COMMITTED TO AVERAGING THIS INFORMATION WILL BE PASSED [00:25:01] THROUGH ON THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS. IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S A CUT REVISION. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY GOING TO BE TIED, UM, PER, PER PLAT. UH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE NOTED ON, ON SITE PLANS. UH, IT WOULD BE NOTED ON AS-BUILTS. IT WOULD BE, BE NOTED AGAIN, GENERALLY IN THE TEXT OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. BUT AS FAR AS THE PLATS GO, YOU KNOW, A PLAN YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW IMPROVEMENTS WON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY EXPECTATION OF AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENT. THAT'S A, THAT'S A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, NOT A PLANNING STANDARD, WILL IT SHOW IT'S TIED TO A PUD, THE PLAT, AND THEN THEY CAN GO RESEARCH THE PUD TO FIGURE OUT THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE, UM, CENTRAL YEAH. GEN GENERALLY NOT BECAUSE IT COULD, IT COULD HAPPEN SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE THAT THE ZONING CHANGES, BUT THAT WON'T CHANGE THE PLATTE. SO WE USUALLY DON'T PUT ZONING RELATED, UH, RESTRICTIONS ON FLATS BECAUSE ZONING CHANGES AND PLATS ARE MORE PERMANENT OR PLATES DO HAVE NOTES ABOUT THE PEDO CURRENTLY. IT'S YEAH, THAT'S DISCRETIONARY AT THE PART OF THE OWNER. BUT I THINK FROM, FROM PAUL'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT THE CITY IS ALLOWED TO OFFER, UH, REQUIRE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE ZONING INFORMATION. WE, WE USUALLY PUT RED LINE COMMENTS TO PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO PUT THINGS ON THEIR PLAT, LIKE SETBACKS OR BUILDING HEIGHTS, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT, BUT, AND INFORMATION LIKE THAT IS IMPORTANT AS LONG AS IT'S ACCURATE, BUT OCCASIONALLY WE'LL FIND PLANTS THAT ARE REALLY OLD, THAT REFERENCED ZONING STANDARDS THAT IN EXISTENCE ANYMORE. OH, SURE. YEAH. SO IF SOMEBODY IS BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM THIS, WITHIN THIS PUD, THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT, UM, CAUSE EVEN UP SOME OF ITS COVERAGE FOR THIS, UH, WOULD IT SHOW UP IN THE APPRAISAL, WHERE WOULD YOU SHOP FOR A NEW BUYER? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, JUST WITHOUT THEM KNOWING TO GO LOOK FOR RELEVANT, SHOW THEM AND IN A ZONING CERTIFICATION LETTER, I MEAN, DURING THE COURSE OF YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, IF YOU CONTACT THE, THE JURISDICTION OF RECORD AND YOU ASK, WHAT ARE THEY IN THE ENTITLEMENTS AND WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A LETTER THAT HAD SHOWED THEM THE ORDINANCES THAT WERE RELATED TO THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. AND IS THAT PRETTY MUCH STANDARD PRACTICE WHEN YOU BUY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LIKE THIS? I HAVEN'T BOUGHT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BEFORE, BUT I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF ZONING CERTIFICATION LETTERS. OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S FULL, FULL DISCLOSURE FOR A FUTURE OWNER. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SHARE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? UH, YEAH. I'VE GOT A, UH, QUESTION, WHICH IS, IS THERE LIKE, HAS THE ZONING BOARD DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE THIS SPECIFIC ACTION OR ARE WE LIKE MAKING AN ACTION? THAT IS PRECEDENT. WE HAVE MY, MY UNDERSTANDING AND WILL, MIGHT CORRECT ME. UM, THE HOSPITAL, THE HOSPITAL SITE, I BELIEVE HAS SOME SHARED DETENTION WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE OVER THERE AND IT, AND IT ALL DRAINS TO THAT VERY LARGE, UH, CATCH, NOT CATCH BASIN, I'D CALL IT A POND THAT'S UM, DUE NORTH OF THE HOSPITAL, ONE OF THE LOW AREAS. AND I THINK THAT CATCHES SOME OF THE RUNOFF FROM SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OVER THERE EAST OF 35 NORTH AND SOUTH OF, UH, 16, 26, THAT THOSE HAVE SHARED DETENTION. I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IF I CAN THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS PLANNED AND BUILT COMPREHENSIVELY, THAT'S GOT SHARED DETENTION PLUM CREEK, UH, PLUM PLUM CREEK, THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS AREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE DETENTION THAT, THAT THEY HAVE AN OVERALL DETENTION PLAN FOR PLUM CREEK. UM, OH, UM, IS IT, OR GOSH, WHO WAS THE OWNER WHEN KOHL'S AND, UM, TARGET. AND WAS IT, UH, YEAH, THE DDR, THEIR POND IS LOCATED, UH, WEST OF, SO BEHIND THE APARTMENTS ON MARKETPLACE, THE PEOPLE'S APARTMENTS, THERE'S A LARGE POND BEHIND THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THAT DRAINS, UM, THE PROPERTIES, THE TARGET, THE KOHL'S, THE CHICK-FIL-A AND MCDONALD'S ALL THAT STUFF OVER THERE DRAINS TO THE WEST, TO THAT POND. SO WE, WE HAVE SOME OTHER LARGE, LARGE SCALE PROJECTS WHERE THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, JUST MAKE IT SUCH THAT IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT TO PUT IN STORM DETENTION, THAT SERVICES ALL THE LOTS GLOBALLY, RATHER THAN WORKING ON HAVING THEM, UM, INDIVIDUALLY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, WHICH I HAVE ON THE FLOOR AND WE HAVE THE SECOND WHEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION. SO NOW WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. [00:30:01] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY HI. HI, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. NAH, MOTION PASSES SIX 61. WE HAVE EVERYBODY, ALL THESE FACES ON THE SCREEN. COMPLETELY CONFUSED ME. ALL RIGHT. [A.  Discussion only regarding Planning and Zoning Commission request for future agenda items.] ITEM EIGHT GENERAL DISCUSSION DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. OKAY GUYS, THIS IS IT. SPEAK UP. TELL HOWARD. AND WE'LL WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE ON THE AGENDA. YOU KNOW, THE DRILL, ALL YOU'RE SMILING. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY? I JUST WANT IT TO BE A SMART ALEC AND SAY, WE GOT TO LOOK AT CBD ONE CBD TO DOWNTOWN, BUT NEVERMIND. I DON'T THINK I WANT TO GOOD. THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD MOVE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS? SMART. ALEC. YOU'RE NOT WELL WE'RE LISTEN. YES. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE VER LIKE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS VIRTUALLY VERSUS IN-PERSON AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE HAD AN UPDATE ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT UNDERWRITING. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. BRANDON, ALEX, ALEX GO. IT WASN'T THE SAME THING. OKAY. OKAY. PATRICIA WAS TRYING TO PACK. I WAS JUST ASKING, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THE DRILL AND I WAS SAYING, NO, NO, THIS IS JUST WHERE YOU GET TO SPEAK UP. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ON FUTURE, ON THE FUTURE AGENDAS WE TELL WILL AND HOWARD, AND THEY INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE NEXT AGENDAS. I, THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CIRCLING AROUND MY HEAD FOR A LONG TIME. I MEAN, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT HIM FOR A LONG TIME, BUT, UM, I'M WONDERING IF WE'VE EVER CONSIDERED LIKE, UM, A DARK SKY ORDINANCE. I KNOW WE'RE TOO CLOSE TO, UM, 35 TO ATTAIN ANY KIND OF ANYTHING, BUT IT DEFINITELY IMPROVES THE LOOK AND FEEL OF A COMMUNITY. AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, NOT PUTTING IT ON EXISTING, BUT FOR NICHOLAS, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF WE'VE EVER CONSIDERED IT. WE CONSIDERED IT IN, UH, 2016. I BELIEVE IT WAS, IS WHEN WE PUSHED THROUGH, UM, CHAPTER 54, THE CHAPTER 53 OF THE CITY CODE IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UH, CHAPTER 54 IS LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING. AND I THINK MAYBE FENCING MIGHT BE IN THERE TOO. UM, AND ESSENTIALLY WE STARTED FROM A BASELINE OF THE DARK SKY MODEL ORDINANCE AND MADE A COUPLE OF TWEAKS TO THAT, TO BE RELEVANT TO OUR LOCAL CODE. UM, I'LL, I'LL SAVE THE COMMENTARY AND JUST TELL YOU THAT. YEP. IT'S IN THERE, BUT IT'S OPTIONAL AND, AND YEAH. OH MAN. NOW WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN. WE HAVE PHOTOMETRIC REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW COMMERCIAL. UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT OPTIONAL. IT WAS, UM, IT WAS MET WITH DIFFERING LEVELS OF ENTHUSIASM BY VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS. AND I'M SURE SOME OF US LOVE IT. SOME OF US HAVE OTHER FEELINGS ABOUT IT. SO WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE LUNCH SOMETIME. I'LL GIVE YOU THE LOWDOWN. OKAY. I HAVE ONE OTHER, I HAVE ONE OTHER THING. UM, ZERO ENTRY ON RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. THERE IS NOT THE LITTLE GOOFY LITTLE TRIPPING HAZARDS GOING INTO THE DRIVEWAY. I HAD TO FIGHT TO GET THAT, UM, GOING INTO MY HOUSE AS A NEW BUILD. AND THE COMMENT THE BUILDER MADE TO ME WAS, WELL, AUSTIN MAKES US DO IT. AND THE CITY OF KYLE DOESN'T CARE CHARACTERIZATION, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR REQUIREMENT, BUT WE, WE DO NOT. UH, OUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS ARE NOT THAT GRANULAR RIGHT NOW. WE, UM, RECOGNIZE AND ENFORCE THE INTERNATIONAL CODE OF 2015 OR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, ALL THE TRADES. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT'S OLDER THAN THAT IS ELECTRIC CODE, WHICH IS THE 2014 NEC UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE LOCAL AMENDMENTS THAT TALK ABOUT BARRIERS LIKE THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LEAVE UP TO, UM, BUYERS AND BUILDERS TO WORK OUT ON THEIR OWN, RATHER THAN MAKING IT A SPECIFIC MANDATE FOR, FOR ALL THE HOMES. WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENTS PER [00:35:01] FEDERAL AND STATE LAW THAT, UM, MODEL HOMES BE ACCESSIBLE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT EVERYBODY CAN GET ACCESS TO AT LEAST CERTAIN AREAS OF ALL MODEL HOMES. BUT ONCE YOU GET INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE FEW RESTRICTIONS AND, AND TO AN EXTENT THAT'S CORRECT. THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOES MANDATE, UM, ACCESSIBILITY IN THEIR HOMES. THAT'S, UH, FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CITY OF KYLE REQUIRES. I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S THAT WE DON'T CARE. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S, UM, JUST MORE A FUNCTION THAT THAT'S, UH, IF THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT, THEN THERE'S A PRIVATE MARKET FOR IT. SO LET LET THE PRIVATE MARKET WORK THAT OUT FOR THEMSELVES. YEAH. I WOULD SAY THE PRIVATE MARKET DOESN'T KNOW THEY HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THAT. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE OVER EVERYTHING, BUT I HAD A NEIGHBOR. I MEAN, ALL MY NEIGHBORS ARE LIKE, WELL, WE DIDN'T GET WHY DIDN'T WE GET THAT? AND I HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT ACTUALLY ACTUALLY TRIPPED AND FELL OVER ONE OF THOSE RISES. AND SO I'M JUST, JUST A THRESHOLD OR, I MEAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, I'VE RANG, YOU KNOW, YOU COME INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S THAT LITTLE GOOFY JUMP. WELL, AND THEN AS YOU DRIVE INTO, I MEAN, I'M SORRY INTO YOUR GARAGE. AND THEN, THEN THERE'S A TIRE STOP FORWARD. BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY WOULD MOVE PARTS, IF YOU ACTUALLY GOT TO THAT TIRE STEP MORE AND MORE WOULD GO THROUGH OR WALL E-MAILS GARAGES BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE IT AND IT'S GETS OLD AND IT'S OUTDATED. AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S JUST A THING FOR ME. AND I'M JUST NEW. SO I'M JUST, I'M GOING TO SAY MOST CONSUMERS DON'T KNOW, THEY CAN ASK FOR 90% OF THEM DONE AND FOR AGING IN PLACE, IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL. IT IS CRITICAL FOR AP. THIS IS THING. K, ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, NINE STAFF [A.  Staff Report by Howard J. Koontz, Director of Planning and Community Development.] REPORT STAFF REPORT BY HOWARD J KOONS DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. MR. COHEN. YEAH. I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THINGS. UM, SO TO START OFF WITH, WE DO HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVEN'T PICKED UP ON THAT ALREADY. UM, AND MS. SNYDER, UM, WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO DO IS GET YOU BOTH TO GIVE US YOUR ELEVATOR, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF, INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE OTHER FIVE, JUST SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM MAYBE FIRST. OKAY, I'LL GO FIRST. UM, I AM, AS YOU HEARD IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, I AM A FAIRLY NEW RESIDENT TO PYLE. AND, AND SO I MOVED HERE IN JULY OF LAST YEAR TO PEOPLE, KIDS, AND FAMILY. SO I'M MAKING THIS MY HOME. IT'S NICE. THIS IS CENTRALLY LOCATED, BECAME MY KIDS WHO WERE IN LEANDRA. AND SO, UH, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTED ME TO KYLE WAS THE MASTER PLAN OF PUMP CREEK. AND IT WAS MORE THAN A MASTER PLAN OF HOUSING AND ALL OF THAT, WHICH A LOT OF MASTER PLANS ARE, IT WAS A MASTER PLAN OF WHERE WE'RE HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MANUFACTURING AND LIGHT INDUSTRY. AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS, THIS IS TRULY VISIONARY FOR A FIRST COMMUNITY. SO I DECIDED TO MOVE HERE AND LIVE HERE. SO, UH, MY BACKGROUND IS I'M OLD, SO I'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AT THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING IN PLACE. I'VE DONE A CHARACTER OVERLAY ON A DOWNTOWN FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. I HAVE, UM, I'VE WORKED FOR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN COLORADO, WORKED WITH RURAL COMMUNITIES WHERE I LIVED IN WESTERN COLORADO TO TEACH THEM HOW TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES. AND A LOT OF IT WAS ZONING AND HOW TO HAVE A BUSINESS SITE READY, THE BUSINESS CAN'T COME TO YOUR DOOR IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO BE. AND SO I DID A LOT OF THAT. UH, SO A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU DO, YOU'RE KIND OF PREACHING TO THE CHOIR AND, UM, I, I COMMEND YOU ON ALL THE THINGS YOU DO, EVEN THOUGH HOWARD, I GAVE YOU A HARD TIME ON THE TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED. SO, BUT, UM, BUT, UH, SO THEN, UH, FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS I HAVE WORKED FOR USDA, US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, THE DIVISION OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT, WORKING WITH RURAL COMMUNITIES. I HAVE RECENTLY TRANSITIONED FROM WORKING WITH RURAL COMMUNITIES, UM, ACROSS OUR 47 FUNDING PROGRAMS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE TO WORKING FOR OUR NATIONAL OFFICE, WHICH ALLOWED ME TO MOVE HERE. AND I WORK ON STREAMLINING PROCESS, POLICY AND PROCEDURE, AND I'M REALLY KIND OF GEARING MYSELF TOWARDS RETIREMENT TO BE HONEST. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS HELD LUNG INTEREST FOR ME TO KEEP ACTIVE AND KEEP ENGAGED. AND, UM, I HAVE REMODELED A COUPLE HOMES AND I HAVE, MY FATHER WAS A COMMERCIAL [00:40:01] REALTOR. SO I WAS AROUND THAT A LOT. MY FORMER HUSBAND WAS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. SO I GUESS I JUST KIND OF LIVE AND BREATHE, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPMENT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO THIS JUST SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN. I STILL HAVE A LOT TO LEARN. I'LL ASK A LOT OF STUPID QUESTIONS AND YOU'LL BE SAYING, YEAH, WE DID THAT BEFORE AND IT DIDN'T WORK, BUT YOU KNOW, I'LL STILL PROBABLY ASK HIM, THAT'S IT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN, UH, MATTHEW CHASE. UH, I GO BY MATT, UM, MOVED TO KYLE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, UM, FROM, UH, NORTH AUSTIN, WHICH I MOVED TO FROM CALIFORNIA ABOUT, UH, FIVE YEARS AGO, FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO. UM, I HAVE BEEN IN THE, UH, COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT INDUSTRY FOR YEARS, ABOUT 15 YEARS AND A COMPANY CALLED BROOKFIELD RESIDENTIAL, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST LAND DEVELOPERS. A COUPLE OF THE PROJECTS OUT HERE ARE IN EAST AUSTIN, SAN MARCOS, AND ACTUALLY OUR NEIGHBOR, UM, IN BLANCA VISTA IS BLANCA VISTA, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET HERE, UH, FROM KYLE, UH, BROUGHT ME FROM CALIFORNIA TO MANAGE A DIVISION WITHIN THE COMPANY AND, UH, BRING A COMMUNITY AND ALL THAT TO, TO OTHER NEW, UH, ASSOCIATIONS OUT HERE. AND IN THAT PROCESS, I LEARNED EVERYTHING I COULD ABOUT LAND DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, UH, WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, TEAM AND, UH, PUSH, HELP THEM PUSH THROUGH A LOT OF, UH, UH, REALLY COOL AND SAT THROUGH A LOT OF COMMISSIONER COURTS MORE SO THAN, THAN, UH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONS FOR THE CITIES, UM, OUR COUNTY CAUSE THEY'RE THERE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS. UM, BUT YEAH, I LOVE THE CITY. IT'S, IT'S BEEN GREAT HERE BEING HERE AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GET INVOLVED IN SOME WAYS. SO I SAW THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPENING AND SAID, YEAH, LET'S GO FOR IT. I'D SAY IT WELL. GREAT. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY, UH, ANY OF THE FIVE OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM SPECIFICALLY, I CAN TELL YOU. AND, AND BRANDON IS, IS, UH, OUR SECOND NEWEST, UH, COMMISSIONER. UM, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION AND, AND WE'LL PROBABLY HELP YOU WITH IT. I THINK HE STILL HAS THE THUMB DRIVE. WE MIGHT HAVE TO UPDATE SOME OF IT, BUT WE HAVE SOME, UH, DIGITAL INFORMATION WE CAN HAVE YOU GUYS DOWNLOAD THAT'S OUR, OUR CODES, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF TRAINING INFORMATION AND JUST SOME STUFF LIKE THAT. SO YOU CAN SORT OF DRINK FROM THE FIRE HOSE WHILE YOU FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH ALL OF OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES AND RESTRICTIONS AND IN-LAWS AND OUTLAWS AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL TRY AND GET YOU THAT SOONER THAN LATER. UM, AND LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING SOME QUESTIONS FROM YOU, UH, TO ME, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I MOVE TO THE NEXT THING. CAN I ASK, UH, UM, I KNOW THAT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, OR ACTUALLY NOT LIKE A MONTH AGO NOW, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THERE BEING A POSSIBLE TRAINING IN AUSTIN ABOUT, UM, SOME PLANNING AND ZONING STUFF. I THINK THAT, UH, I, IN A COUPLE OTHERS WANTED TO GO TO THAT. AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED AN EMAIL BACK THAT THE CITY COULD DO A VERY SIMILAR THING. UM, AND I WAS CURIOUS WITH AS MUCH OF THE COMMISSION BEING NEW, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S UP FOR, THERE WAS A, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO PUT IT ON, BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A NEW COMMISSIONER TRAINING OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT FOR POINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND, UM, TYPICALLY THAT'S HAPPENED TWICE A YEAR, SOMETIME RIGHT AFTER THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS AND THEN SOMETIMES RIGHT AFTER THE MAY ELECTION. SO WE KEEP AN EYE OUT. WE MIGHT FIND THAT THAT COMES UP AGAIN, UM, UM, THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TO ATTEND, HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER ON THE DRAW NEXT TIME, BECAUSE THEY, I GUESS THEY FILL UP PRETTY QUICK OR THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SLOTS EITHER WAY. UM, BUT, UH, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER? PROBABLY, UH, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME, UM, WE HAVE TO DEDICATE TO DOING THAT, BUT I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND WE TRIED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BY BASICALLY PUTTING TOGETHER SOME OF THE REFERENCE MATERIALS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH A TALK LIKE THAT NEVER ACTUALLY HAVING DONE, UM, THE TALK ITSELF OURSELVES, BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO OUTSOURCE THAT TO, UM, ONE OF THE LOCAL LAW FIRMS THAT SOMETIMES PUT THE SET ON MAYBE TML, MAYBE THE TEXAS CHAPTER OF THE APA. THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT HAVE INVESTED IN INTEREST IN THAT TYPE OF TRAINING. SO, UM, I'LL KEEP AN EYE OUT. I USUALLY TRY AND PASS THOSE ALONG WHEN THEY GET EMAILED TO ME AS SOON AS I GET THEM. SO, UM, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. UM, SO, SO THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA WRITE THIS DOWN BEFORE I FORGET. UM, TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT THE TWO ITEMS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION. YOU DIDN'T GET A LOT OF INPUT FROM STAFF, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK AND, UM, LOOK [00:45:01] AT, LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS. THERE ARE STAFF REPORTS, UH, THAT ARE IN THE AGENDA, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THROUGH THOSE. THAT'LL GIVE YOU, UH, AN EXCELLENT AMOUNT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN, UM, HAVE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WHEN THIS COMES UP AGAIN. I EXPECT IT'LL BE, UM, SECOND TUESDAY IN MAY WHEN THIS WILL COME BACK AGAIN, OR DID WE PUT IT ON THE, ON THE 27TH, DEBBIE? OKAY. YES. SO IT'D BE ON THE 27 W WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMBINED MEETING ON TUESDAY, THE 27TH THEN. SO THAT'S, UH, ACTUALLY MY NEXT, MY NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ON THE 27TH, BUT WE'LL HAVE TWO MEETINGS ON THE NIGHT OF THE 27TH. BACK-TO-BACK THE FIRST ONE WILL BE A VOTING MEETING AND WE'LL GO OVER THE, THE STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. WELL, THE STUFF THAT WE LISTENED TO TONIGHT RELATED TO THOSE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, AND, UM, THEN, UH, ON THE HEELS OF THAT, WE WILL GO INTO A WORK SESSION AGENDA WITH A COUPLE ITEMS THAT I WANT TO PLAY CATCH UP WITH. SO, UM, RE READ THE STAFF REPORTS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SEND THEM TO ME, YOU SEND THEM THE WILL. UM, BUT OTHERWISE SAVE THEM IF THEY'RE FOR THE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GROUP, SAVE YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THIS MEETING ON THE NIGHT OF THE 27TH. AND WE CAN ASK THEM IN THE OPEN SESSION. SO EVERYBODY GETS THE ANSWER AT THE SAME TIME. UM, SO THAT WAS MY SECOND ITEM. THIRD ITEM IS NEXT AGENDA. SO, UM, NEXT MEETING WILL BE TUESDAY, THE 27TH, SIX 30, SAME PLACE, SAME TIME FOR RIGHT NOW, IT'LL BE VIRTUAL MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MADE A DIFFERENT PLAN FOR THAT YET. UM, THE FIRST PART OF THE MEETING WILL BE A VOTING MEETING, SPECIAL CALLED VOTING MEETING, AND WE'LL GO OVER THERE. SO THE NEXT PART WILL BE A REGULAR WORK SESSION, GOT TWO ITEMS RIGHT NOW FOR THE WORK SESSION. UH, FIRST OF ALL, LIGHT POLES, OOH, I GOT WILL'S ATTENTION. UM, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING UP SOME DISCUSSION ON THE PLANNING SIDE, NOT SO MUCH ON THE ZONING SIDE, ALTHOUGH EVENTUALLY IT WILL BECOME A ZONING ISSUE, UM, BECAUSE IT WILL BE A REQUIREMENT, BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STREETSCAPES IN THE CITY OF KYLE. WE HAVE A HOST OF NEW SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALL OVER KYLE UP TO, AND INCLUDING A LARGE SWATH OF LAND IN PLUM CREEK. UM, THEY ARE STARTING TO PUT IN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN OUR PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHICH, UH, DEALS WITH A LOT OF OUR DESIGN METRICS THAT GO ALONG WITH ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CODE ABOUT STANDARDIZING. UM, SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SPECIFICALLY LIKE POLES, THE EFFICACY OF DOING SO. AND IF WE DO SO, WHAT THE STANDARD WILL BE, WE'RE GOING TO BRING ALL THOSE QUESTIONS UP TO YOU. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, UM, SOME EXPECTATIONS OR, UH, SOME EXAMPLES I SHOULD SAY, UH, UM, SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO STANDARDIZE. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AND GET YOUR BEST RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT WE SHOULD DO MOVING FORWARD. IT'S ABOUT THE MOST. I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT, AS FAR AS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT, WILL'S WORKED ON IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. HE'S WORKED ON IT WITH SOME FOLKS OVER IN PUBLIC WORKS. THEY GOT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO GO WITH IT BEFORE THEY CAN REFINE IT INTO A STAFF REPORT. BUT MY PLAN IS TO HAVE IT TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. THE OTHER ITEM IS HOPEFULLY I CAN COALESCE ALL THE STUFF FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT BASICALLY STOPPED IN NOVEMBER. UM, I GOT BUSY DOING THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO PICK THAT UP AGAIN. UM, WITH THE SUMMER COMING ON, MAYBE SOME FOLKS WILL HAVE MORE TIME, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN, UM, SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC PROCESS FOR THAT. WE'LL TRY AND FIRST GET THE BLESSING FROM THIS GROUP AND THEN GO TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, SEE IF I CAN GET THEIR HELP WITH GETTING THE WORD OUT AND GETTING SOME FOLKS TO COME DOWN AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT, UM, WHETHER IT'S VIRTUAL OR IN-PERSON. AND THEN, UM, MAYBE MAYBE MOVE THAT ALONG. SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE TO HAVE TAKEN ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS IS LIKELY GOING TO TAKE 10 TO 12 MONTHS, BUT THAT'S LIFE. UM, SO THAT'S COMING BACK NEXT TIME. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WOULD BE FOR MEETINGS, PROBABLY STARTING WITH THE MAY MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE MAY THE 11TH, TUESDAY NIGHT, MAYBE 11. WE HAD, UH, WE HAD TOUCHED ON IT LAST TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN THE, IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, BUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR TOLERANCE OR EXPECTATION FOR NO LONGER HAVING A HUNDRED PERCENT VIRTUAL MEETINGS THAT ARE DONE THROUGH THIS TECHNOLOGICAL PLATFORM AND INSTEAD RETURNING TO, UH, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS DOWNSTAIRS AND HAVING MEETINGS IN PERSON, OR, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVING AN EXPECTATION OF THERE BEING SOME TYPE OF HYBRID WHERE, UM, SOME FOLKS CAN PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY AND REMOTELY AND OTHER FOLKS WOULD BE DOWNSTAIRS, UH, DOWNSTAIRS, JUST LIKE BASICALLY FOLLOWING THE MODEL THAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN DOING RECENTLY. I HAVE NO OPINION, UH, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY DIRECTION FOR YOU. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. UM, IT IS NOT ANY TYPE OF POSSIBLE ACTION YET. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST TRYING TO TAKE EVERYBODY'S TEMPERATURE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE EXPECTATION SHOULD BE. [00:50:01] OKAY. WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? ARE WE DISCUSSING NOW? CAN WE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE HYBRID MODEL, UM, OPEN FOR A POSSIBILITY. OKAY. WE HAVE ONE HYBRID JEALOUS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, IT'S STILL BEEN ALLOWED THROUGH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. HISTORICALLY. IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, VIRTUAL MEETINGS, LIKE THIS WERE, WERE NOT ALLOWABLE PRE PANDEMIC, UM, AND A SPECIAL ALLOCATION THAT'S BEEN MADE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER FROM, UH, GOVERNOR ABBOTT'S OFFICE, WHICH HAVE BEEN CONTINUALLY, UH, RENEWED PERIODICALLY TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE THIS. SO IF WE CONTINUE TO HYBRID, UH, WE WILL DO SO AS LONG AS WE ARE ENABLED TO DO SO. THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY QUESTION. I FOLLOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE SUBSCRIBED TO A TML, THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, BUT TML, UM, IS PROLIFIC IN THEIR EMAILS. I THINK THEY'RE UP TO NUMBER 180 OR SO SINCE I STARTED SENDING THEM OUT ROUGHLY LAST MARCH, UM, AND THEY, THEY GIVE UPDATES ON EVERYTHING THAT RELATES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION, UM, THAT, THAT COMES FROM THE STATE, UH, AND OCCASIONALLY PUT TOGETHER INFORMATION FROM OUR PEERS. UM, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SHARING THE INFORMATION IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE FIND THAT WE CAN USE. UM, EVERYTHING THAT I'VE READ FROM THEM AS STATED THAT THE, THE ALLOWANCES FOR THE REMOTE, UM, MEETINGS HAS BEEN EXTENDED. SO THAT'S WHY WE CONTINUE THEM. BUT, UM, IT'S SOME FOLKS, UH, PERSONAL PREFERENCES, UH, THAT THE, THAT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS BE DONE IN PERSON AND ALLOW FOLKS TO, TO ATTEND DOWNSTAIRS IN PERSON. UM, WE HAVE SOME COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. WE HAVE SOME COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE IN PERSON. UM, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE MEGAN'S PREFERENCES TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. UM, NOT THAT YOU ASKED, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN. AND I HAVE TWO SCREENS GOING ONE WITH THE MEETING ONE AND ONE WITH, YOU KNOW, BACKUP INFORMATION THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY HELPFUL. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM DOWNSTAIRS. I CAN PROBABLY TALK WITH IT AND FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH OUR PRESENTATION SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS US TO, TO SHARE THAT. BUT, UM, SO FAR I THINK IT'S BEEN OUTSTANDING AND HAS MADE ME, UM, BETTER ABLE TO DISSEMINATE INFORMATION RATHER THAN JUST WITH WORDS, YOU KNOW, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY IDEAS? I'M ONE FOR GOING IN? I MEAN, I WOULD COME IN IF WE HAD HYBRID. YEAH, I AGREE. I I'D COME IN. I THINK THE HYBRID IS STILL GREAT, BUT, UM, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO BE THERE FOR IF WE HAVE A HOT BUTTON OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON. I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT I'D RATHER BE IN THERE AND SEEING THAT THE PUBLIC THAN BEING ON HERE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY'RE ON A PHONE. I JUST PREFER THAT. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF WE GO TO A HYBRID, DO WE LOSE OR DO WE LOSE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO CALL IN? LIKE, IF THERE IS AN IN-PERSON COMPONENT WE'LL STILL CALL IN, THEY CALL IN DURING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, THEY HAVE CALL-INS AND PEOPLE COME IN. IF WE WENT COMPLETELY TO IN-PERSON AND WE'RE NO LONGER VIRTUAL OR HYBRID, WE WOULD LOSE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE. BUT AS LONG AS THEIR TECHNOLOGICAL OUTLET, THEN THEY CAN PARTICIPATE THAT WAY. YEAH. I DON'T SEE A DRAWBACK TO GOING HYBRID. I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR OUR CITIZENS. THEY CAN COME IN PERSON, THEY CAN DO BE ONLINE, BUT IF OUR COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE THE OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR, UM, UM, UH, NOT THE REGULAR MEETINGS, BUT THE, UM, THE WORKSHOPS WORKSHOPS, THE WORKSHOPS CAN HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST EASIER TO DO IT WHEN YOU'RE IN PERSON WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. SO I JUST ASK, IS THERE A REASON WE CAN'T DO IT THE SECOND MEETING THIS MONTH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BE IN PERSON. IF WE CHOOSE FOR THE WORKSHOP MEETING THIS MONTH, YOU TALKED TO MY, UH, FIRST SATS PARLIAMENTARIAN THERE. DEBBIE, DID YOU ADVERTISE THE MEETING? UM, ALL VIRTUAL OR IS THERE AN ACCOMMODATION FOR THEM TO BE PARTIALLY IN, IN PERSON? I THINK THERE'S A COMMENDATION FOR PARTIALLY IN-PERSON. UM, I HAVE TO READ THE WORDING AND THEN GET THAT. YEAH, THAT'S ALEX. AND IF, IF WE, IF WE FIND OUT, UM, WE FIND OUT WE CAN'T, THEN WE WON'T. UM, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THIS, THE SIX W W WE MAY VERY WELL DO THAT FOR THE APRIL 27TH MEETING I'M [00:55:01] IN ON THAT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I'LL BE THERE. OKAY. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON OUR RED BUILDING THING THAT I BROUGHT UP TALK TO WILL ABOUT THAT? WELL, ALL RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE A DRAFT. UM, WE NEED TO, AND I DON'T REMEMBER, HOWARD, DO YOU WANT US TO BRING IT FORWARD OF A WORKSHOP FIRST, BEFORE WE NOTICE IT IN A NEWSPAPER? ALL RIGHT. SO WE FIGURED WE'D BRING IT TO THE MAY, UM, VOTING MEETING WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME, I WANT TO SAY TODAY'S THE 13TH. SO WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP AT THE END OF MARCH, I DIDN'T THINK WE HAD THE TIME TO ADVERTISE IT FROM THIS MEETING THAT WE'RE AT TONIGHT. UM, I'D REALLY RATHER IT NOT BE MADE TO GO FORWARD AT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. I JUST WANTED IT TO BE ON A REGULAR AGENDA AND PUTTING THE AD IN THE PAPER AND GETTING IT IN TIME. I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS TRY AND BRING IT TO YOU AT THE REGULAR MAY VOTING MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, MAY THE 11TH AT SIX 30. IT'S BEEN STILL ON, WE MOVE AT THE SPEED OF GOVERNMENT. SO THAT'S THE QUICKEST WE COULD GET IT TO YOU. COOL. ALL RIGHT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL. IF WE CAN DO IT, WE WILL DO IT. WE'LL HAVE THE MEETING ON THE 27TH. WE'LL FOLLOW THE COUNCIL, UM, MODEL BEING A HYBRID MEETING. SO YOU CAN ATTEND FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE RIGHT NOW OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. OR YOU CAN COME DOWN TO CITY HALL AND JOIN US FROM THERE. THAT MEETING WILL BE ON APRIL THE 27TH AT SIX 30. UM, NOT THAT YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT IT, BUT I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF THE OFFICE MAY 5TH, SIXTH, AND SEVENTH. UM, BUT I'LL BE BACK FOR OUR MEETING ON THE 11TH, WHICH IS THE REGULAR MAIN MEETING. AND IT'S ALL ON MY LIST. ANYBODY HEAR ME BEFORE I LET YOU GO? OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 10 ADJOURNMENT. NOW LUDO SMILES. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. MADAM CHAIR. I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? RAISE YOUR HANDS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. OKAY. MEETING OVER WHERE OUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.