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[1. Call meeting to order]
SEVEN OH SEVEN.AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORKS UP WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE CITY OF KYLE TO ORDER.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAD MYERS HERE, NIGHT OUT HERE.
NICHOL CHRISTIE HERE, YARRA HERE, CASE HERE NAMES HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE THREE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
I WILL OPEN THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.
THERE IS NO ONE HERE FOR CITIZENS COMMENTS.
DEB, DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY OR ANY MESSAGES THAT NEED TO BE READY? OOH.
[B.
Future Land Use Map progress update
- Continued discussion of the Future Land Use Map (Proposed)
- Next Steps - Schedule of events and procedure to receive comments
UM, REALLY JUST THE PROCESS, THE PROJECT, UM, JOB RESPONSIBILITY.
I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT YOUR MICROPHONE'S OFF.
OTHERWISE I NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN, I WOULD HAVE TALKED ALL NIGHT.
UM, SO I WAS JUST MAKING UP EVERYTHING YOU WERE SAYING.
UM, SO WHAT I'M DOING IS, UH, WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO WITH THIS.
YOU'LL THE, THOSE OF YOU WHO RECALL, UH, THIS PROCESS AND WHEN IT STOPPED BASICALLY IN THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WHICH WAS OUR NOVEMBER WORK SESSION, MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE PACKET AND PRESENTED TO YOU AT THAT MEETING IS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT IS IN THE PACKET THIS EVENING.
AND, UM, I HAVE TWO EXPECTATIONS OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UM, REALLY IT WAS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS STARTING AGAIN, AND I WANT TO GO OVER ALL THAT INFORMATION AGAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE VERY GOOD NOTES.
AND IF I DID HAVE GOOD NOTES, I WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND THEM.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF YOU, MOST OF WHICH IS, UH, THE PRODUCT OF THE CITY PLANNER, WE'LL, WE'LL ADD, CONTAINS, UH, NOTES, UM, WITH A COUPLE OF CHANGES AND A COUPLE OF PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT I WAS ABLE TO RECALL.
UM, I PUT THAT IN THE PACKET TONIGHT.
I WANT EVERYBODY'S CONFIRMATION THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, UM, FROM LAST SEPTEMBER THROUGH LAST NOVEMBER, ADDITIONALLY, UM, EVERYBODY'S OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AS FOR THE THREE NEW MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE THAT WEREN'T WITH US AT THAT TIME.
SO BRINGING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING MOVING FORWARD.
SO CONFIRM, UM, WHAT'S THERE IS WHAT WE WANT THERE AND, UM, LET EVERYBODY DRINK FROM THE FIRE HOSE THAT FOR THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT THEY CAN GET BROUGHT UP TO SPEED.
AND THEN THE SECOND BULLET POINT, THERE IS THE NEXT STEPS AND THE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS AND THE PROCEDURE.
UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BASICALLY THE BIG PICTURE IS THAT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY'S COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF I CAN GET THEIR HELP IN PUBLICIZING THIS, BECAUSE I WANT THIS TO GO FORWARD, UM, THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS WHERE WE CAN SOLICIT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT NOT NECESSARILY UNDER THE GUISE OF A PUBLIC HEARING AT A VOTING MEETING.
UM, I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET, UM, PUBLIC INPUT FROM FOLKS, UM, AND WHAT I WOULD TERM A ROLLING MEETING, UH, OR BASICALLY JUST THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THE INFORMATION TO BE PRESENTED, BE IT THROUGH THE WEB, OR, UM, MIGHT MAKE SOME POSTERS AND PUT THEM IN THE DOWNSTAIRS OF THE LOBBY OF CITY HALL.
SO AFFECTS, CAN LOOK AT IT AND THEN HAVE SUGGESTION BOXES AND THAT SORT OF THINGS.
UM, BUT THEN ALSO MAYBE HAVE AT LEAST ONE STRUCTURED MEETING THAT HAPPENED IN THE EVENING, UM, WHERE STAFF WOULD BE WALKING AROUND P AND Z WOULD BE WALKING AROUND.
MAYBE THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WALKING AROUND AND WHEN WE CAN GET SOME INTERACTION, UM, IN, IN THE, UM, IN, IN REAL TIME, UM, AT FIRST-PERSON.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT PROBABLY BEGINNING IF EVERYTHING WERE TO GO PERFECTLY.
UM, I WOULD SAY THE END OF MAY, PROBABLY THE SECOND OR THIRD, OR I'M SORRY, THE THIRD OR FOURTH WEEK IN MAY, BUT I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S BUSY AND IT'S A LOT TO DROP ON THEM.
SO I'M BIG, I'M GOING TO BE REALISTIC AND SAY THAT IT'S PROBABLY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN JUNE.
AND I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WOULD BE OPEN FOR PROBABLY TWO WEEKS OR MORE.
UM, AND THE CULMINATION OF THAT TWO WEEK PERIOD WOULD BE, UM, A PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS HOPEFULLY MANNED BY FOLKS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND GET, UM, IN REAL TIME FIRST PERSON INPUT ON THE MAP CHANGES.
SO THAT WOULD RUN TILL THE END OF JUNE.
AND THEN THE FORMAL ADOPTION PROCESS WOULD BE IN JULY AND AUGUST.
SO A PROCESS THAT I HAD HOPED WOULD TAKE ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO END UP TAKING RIGHT ON AT 12,
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11 OR 12 MONTHS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.UM, SO THAT'S THE TWO BULLET POINTS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP.
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ANY MORE ABOUT IT CAUSE I'M TOO CLOSE TO THIS.
SO I'M AFRAID THAT I'M GOING TO GLOSS OVER SOMETHING THAT I'M TAKING FOR GRANTED.
SO I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO YOU GUYS FOR QUESTIONS OF ME.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY EXPECTATIONS OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED OR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED? UM, YES.
SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EAST GATEWAY DISTRICT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EAST GATEWAY DISTRICT, UM, YOU MEAN THE MAP OR THE NARRATIVE, THE NARRATIVE, THE NARRATIVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE END WHERE IT SAYS PREFERRED CONDITIONAL AND NOT RECOMMENDED USES, THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE EAST GATEWAY DISTRICT USES ON THE LAND USE RECOMMENDED FOR THE COMP PLAN.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE W WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, WHERE, WHERE DID YOU GET THE, OKAY.
PREFERRED CONDITIONAL AND NOT RECOMMENDED THAT AT THE END OF THE NARRATIVE, YOU'RE STATING THAT THOSE DON'T MATCH, WHAT DON'T THEY MATCH WHERE THE, UM, LAND USE RECOMMENDED PLAN THAT, UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER PAPER THAT WAS ON THERE THAT HAD ALL THE, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT, AND IT HAD THEM, IT HAD EAST GATEWAY ON THAT TOO.
YES, IT WAS ALL IN, IT WAS ALL IN RED AT THE VERY END, AND THOSE WERE QUITE DIFFERENT FOR W OKAY.
IT, IT, IT, WASN'T JUST ONE FINGER.
UM, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WILL MEANT WHEN HE ASKED ME, YOU SENT ME AN EMAIL ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY, BUT I MIGHT, I MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN THE PURPOSE OF, OF HIS QUESTION WHEN HE ASKED ME, SO, UM, OH YEAH.
WELL, THREE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE THEM? YOU HAVE THE RED ONES.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY, UH, FOR EAST GATEWAY, UH, RECOMMENDED, I GUESS THAT'S PREFERRED IN RED IS OUR ONE, ONE OR ONE, TWO OR ONE, THREE ARM, ONE C R ONE T R TWO R THREE, TWO OR THREE, THREE CC AND C R S.
THAT'S RECOMMENDED W THEN THAN WHAT'S ON THE, THE, THE NARRATIVE PITCH.
I'LL HAVE TO FIND THAT THOUGH.
AND ON THE PAGE NOT RECOMMENDED IS
I MEAN, I'M NOT LAUGHING AT MYSELF.
I'M NOT, I DIDN'T TRY AND DO A BAD JOB, BUT I THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FLOATING AROUND AND I WASN'T ABLE TO KEEP IT ALL STRAIGHT, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED MORE EYES LOOKING AT THIS.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I NEED.
IF YOU FIND THIS STUFF, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I WOULD JUST TRY TO CLARIFY WHICH ONE WE'RE GOING WITH.
I ASSUMED IT WAS THE ONE ON THE NARRATIVE, BECAUSE IT'S V BECAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE, UM, UM, STREAMLINED OR, UH, SPECIFIC BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE PLANNED FOR OUR ONE-ON-ONE TO BE RECOMMENDED AND THE EAST GATEWAY.
SO I, UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S THE, I THINK IT'S THAT PAGE.
THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IT'S THE GATEWAY, RIGHT? THIS MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAN, THAN THE REST.
THE NARRATIVE MAKES MORE SENSE THAN THE TEACHER.
DOES THE CHEAT SHEET RESEMBLE ANY OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE CHEAT SHEET? DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN CUT AND PASTED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AS A, AS A WORKING LIST TO GO FROM? I MEAN, LIKE THE WRONG THING WAS COMP LIKE, LIKE NEW SETTLEMENT, DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE NEEDS LIST DISTRICT MAYBE.
IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO NEW TOWN.
SO THAT, THAT MIGHT DO WHAT IT WAS.
IS THAT THE LIST THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE CHEAT SHEET THAT'S LISTED IN RED WAS ACTUALLY A WORKING LIST TO GO FROM AND JUST HASN'T BEEN PROPERLY EDITED.
THE ONE THAT, CAUSE I WOULD REALLY BE SURPRISED THAT I HAD WRITTEN THIS NARRATIVE AND PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU IF IT WASN'T DONE.
SO MY EXPECTATION IS THAT THE NARRATIVE IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING FROM NARRATIVE LOOKS CORRECT TO ME LOOKING AT IT.
THE DETAILS THAT I'M TRYING TO JOG MY MEMORY FROM LAST NOVEMBER, WHICH QUITE HONESTLY LAST NOVEMBER WAS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO IN MY MIND.
UM, UM, ALSO, UH, WE'VE GOT M TWO AND M THREE AS CONDITIONAL UNDER NEWTOWN DISTRICT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I KNOW WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT AND APPROVED IT FOR THE EAST SETTLEMENT, BUT THAT'S IN RED ALSO.
YEAH, THEY, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, A BRIEF DISCUSSION BACK EARLY ON, BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNEW
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THAT PEOPLE THAT CAME BY WITH THE FIRST MEETING TODAY WERE WANTING TO PURSUE ADDING THAT.AND IT WAS JUST STILL PART OF THE NOTES THAT WE DIDN'T CHANGE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ADDED IT TO NEW.
IT'S IN NEW SETTLEMENT AND IT'S IN NEW TOWN.
UH, IT WASN'T THE ITEM WE DID IN THE LAST MEETING NEW FOR, FOR NEWTOWN.
BUT NOT FOR NEW SETTLEMENT, BUT I I'M FINE WITH THAT ADDITION.
SO REMOVE IT FROM NEW SETTLEMENT.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE THERE'S SOME OF THAT AND PAY STAIRS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
I'M FINE PUTTING IT IN THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYONE ELSE FEELS.
I'D BE OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO COME BEFORE US ANYWAY.
SHOWING US RECOMMENDED AND THE CONDITIONAL ONES, UH, FOR DO SETTLEMENT, THE ONLY RECOMMENDED IS, OH, I, I THAT'S IT.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS CONDITIONAL.
OH, ACTUALLY, CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION AND PIGGYBACKING ON THAT? SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I HAD RECOMMENDED WHEN I DID THE NEW NUTELLA SETTLEMENT WAS TO MAKE MORE CONDITIONS, MORE USES RECOMMENDED.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT AS SURE ABOUT THAT ANYMORE AS I WAS, UM, HAVING THEM AS CONDITIONAL ISN'T NECESSARILY A PROBLEM FOR ME, BUT, BUT IT IS STRANGE TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT BASICALLY EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO HAVE IS CONDITIONAL.
UM, BUT ESPECIALLY BASED ON THE ITEM WE JUST DID ON FOUR B IN OUR LAST MEETING.
AND I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT THE WAY THAT NEW SETTLEMENT IS ARRANGED, WHERE ONLY ONE IS RECOMMENDED IS, IS TWOFOLD.
MOST OF IT IS BECAUSE MOST OF THE LANGUAGE IN NEW SETTLEMENT RELATES TO NEW SETTLEMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER, THE NORTHEAST AREA OF THE CITY AND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY AT THE TIME THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DONE BACK IN 2010, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE, THE CITIZENRY THAT THE, THE STEERING COMMITTEE OF THE CITIZENRY THAT, THAT PUT FORTH THE FINAL EDITS, UM, FOR THE, THE THIRD PARTY TO PUT IT TOGETHER HAD DECIDED THAT THE NORTH AND THE NORTHEAST SECTIONS OF THE CITY WOULD BE AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
THAT WOULD BE THE ACTIVITY BY LARGE.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT NEW SETTLEMENT, THEN THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SOUTH EAST, UH, UH, I THINK HERITAGE COMMUNITY OR TRANSITIONAL SETTLEMENT IS THE NORTH.
SO IT'S THE NEW SIGN WAS WHERE IS WHERE POST OAK IS LIKE I'VE NEW SETTLEMENT.
UM, AND, BUT, BUT AGAIN, I AM STILL FINE KEEPING MOST THINGS CONDITIONAL.
IT WAS JUST SOMETHING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
CHANGING SOME THINGS TO BE RECOMMENDED, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW TOWN COMMUNITY I'M UH, SO I WONDER IF SOME OF THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY, W WHAT AM I SUGGESTING BEFORE TO ADD MORE THINGS IS RECOMMENDED.
I AGREE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION ANYMORE.
IT'S THIS FANCY NEW LIGHT SWITCHES.
I THINK ONE THING THAT I'M GOING TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE REGIONAL NODE THAT'S LISTED ON THE PROPOSED UPDATES, THE NOVEMBER 9TH DRAFT.
UM, I DO RECALL THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES TO THIS SPECIFICALLY, I'M LOOKING AT THE REGIONAL NODE THAT'S DOWN AT 21 AND ONE 50.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT'S, IT'S LARGELY JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, AROUND CIRCLE WITH ONE OTHER LITTLE PIECE OF LAND, WHICH WAS THE PIECE OF LAND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
I THINK THE PRODUCT OF OUR DISCUSSION THAT NIGHT WAS IT WOULD BE MORE OF A BUFFER FROM, UM, STATE HIGHWAY 21, UH, THAT WENT BACK TO THE, TO THE NORTHWEST BACK TOWARDS TOWN AND ENCOMPASS MORE OF THAT FRONTAGE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR MAP OPERATOR DO IS EXPAND THAT, UM, TO BE A LITTLE BIT, TO COVER MORE OF THE GROUND DOWN THERE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT EAST GATEWAY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 21.
I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT 21 IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LOW DENSITY, LOW INTENSITY USES.
WE, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BEEF THAT UP QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND IT'S JUST MORE OF A, UH, PRINCIPAL QUESTION ABOUT THE NEWTOWN COMMUNITY, UM, AND THIS, UM, THE, THE ONE THE NORTH, UM, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE LOGICAL REASON FOR KEEPING THE WEST PART OF NEWTOWN COMMUNITY AND THE EAST PART OF NEWTOWN
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COMMUNITY TOGETHER FOR THE SHEER FACT THAT THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY DIFFERENT OUTCOMES, UM, FOR WHAT THAT COMMUNITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE WEST AND EAST? YEAH.I MEAN, I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE BIFURCATED BY THE REGIONAL NODE AND I 35, BUT THAT, THAT REGIONAL NODE IS ACTUALLY AN APPLICATION THAT GOES OVER TOP OF THE DISTRICT.
SO IF YOU CAN THINK IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT YELLOW AND JUST SORT OF PEEL THAT BACK, LIKE A STICKER THAT, THAT NEWTOWN COMMUNITY WOULD ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH CENTRAL PART OF THE CITY AND THE EXPECTATION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, AS IT GETS AWAY FROM THE HIGH CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, THE
MOST OF NEWTOWN THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE, I SAY MOST OF IT IS PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY, IT'S LAND PATTERN IS ESTABLISHED.
UM, YOU MIGHT GET SOME DEVELOPMENT TO COME ALONG IN SOME OF THE LARGER GREENFIELD AREAS THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY, BUT THEY'RE WELL ON THEIR WAY, THE WEST SIDE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE QUARRY, UH, THAT'S THERE AND WE'VE GOT SOME OF THE PLUM CREEK IS PRETTY MUCH ESTABLISHED.
THEIR ZONING IS SET THEIR SITE SELECTORS AND LANDSCAPE, OR, UH, REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS ARE WORKING REALLY HARD TO FULFILL THAT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HARM THERE IS AND KEEPING THEM TOGETHER VERSUS CREATING EITHER CREATING A NEW DISTRICT OR MERGING SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE FURTHER EAST, UM, AND MAKING THEM CREEP TO THE WEST TOWARDS THE INTERSTATE.
THAT'S JUST A POLICY DECISION IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE QUESTION'S ALMOST MOOT BECAUSE OF THE STUFF ON THE EAST SIDE IS, HAS, HAS SO MANY, HAS SUCH LIMITED DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT ON NOW.
WELL, THE ONLY REASON I ASKED THAT IS JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE THE TIRC TOO, THAT IS GOING TO BUILD A MUCH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY AT THE CORNER THERE, OF COURSE, CROSSING IN 1626.
UM, AND IF THAT STILL KIND OF FITS IN WITH THE, UM, NARRATIVE OF WHAT WE NOT NEWTOWN COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE WITH.
I, I THINK, I THINK IT DOES FOR THE, FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE THAT THE TERRORS AND ALL THE OTHER SPECIAL DISTRICTS, UM, ARE REALLY MUCH MORE DETAILED AT THE PARCEL LEVEL.
THOSE ARE ACTUAL LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS VERSUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH DOESN'T ENTITLE ANYTHING.
IT DOESN'T ASSIGN ZONING OR LAND USE TO ANYTHING.
UM, IT'S MORE OF A GUIDING FORCE.
THERE'S NOT REALLY THAT MUCH THAT'S IN NEWTOWN.
UM, THAT'S NOT ALREADY BUILT OUT AND OPERATING OR, UM, ALREADY WELL ON ITS WAY WITH A ZONING ENTITLEMENT PLAN.
YOU PROBABLY COULD, UM, TRACE THE OUTLINES OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
BUT I THINK IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD BE THE MINORITY OF THE GROSS LAND AREA THAT HASN'T HAD A PLAN ASSIGNED TO IT.
SO, UM, THE REST OF THOSE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE THE PLAN ASSIGNED TO THEM, DO THEY STILL MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT NEWTOWN, YOU KNOW, CALLS FOR IN THE NARRATIVE? I THINK THEY DO, BUT IT'S A DISCUSSION POINT TO, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO CHOP IT UP ANY FINER.
UM, IS THERE ANY HARM TO, TO LEAVING THOSE AREAS IN NEWTOWN? I DON'T FIND THAT THERE IS GOSH, EVEN WHEN I CAME HERE, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN ABOUT SIX YEARS, KYLE KYLE WAS PRIMARILY ON NORTH AND SOUTH CITY, RIGHT? ALL MY, ALL MY SOUNDING MAPPED AND EVERYTHING, THE OLD ONES THAT ARE UP ON MY WALL, THEY'RE ALL PORTRAIT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, BUT NOW, NOW EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE ETJ AND BECAUSE OF THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP, EVERYTHING IS LANDSCAPE.
EVERYTHING IS, IS SO MUCH WIDER WITH HOW MUCH IT'S GROWN.
I THINK THE NUMBER WE USE IS 85 SQUARE MILES OF ETJ AND CITY LIMIT CITY LIMITS THEMSELVES, I THINK ARE ABOUT 35 SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN I CAME HERE, COMMISSIONER CHASE.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LEFT OUT BECAUSE I ONLY SEE YOU AS A PICTURE ON MY SCREEN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
WHERE ARE WE STILL WANTING TO CONSIDER HAVING WAREHOUSE OR CM CONDITIONAL IN THE REGIONAL NODE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO STRIP FROM THERE OR INCLUDE? OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? I KIND OF LIKED IT, BUT MY, MY PREFERENCE WOULD ALWAYS BE TO DO, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WOULD BE YOUR ACTUAL ZONING ORDINANCE AND YOUR LAND USE CONTROLS THAT WOULD FACILITATE WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY
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COMES IN, DOESN'T HAVE TO FIGHT AGAINST IT.AND THEN AFTER THAT, YOU USUALLY WOULD WANT TO GET INTO OVERLAYS FOR SPECIFIC REGIONS WITHIN YOUR SCENE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, KYLE'S LARGE ENOUGH NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT AREA OVER THERE TO THE WEST, UM, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE TERM, YOU KNOW, THE RANCH LANDSCAPE IS, IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE SUPER REGIONAL NODE, QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE HERITAGE COMMUNITY WE OWN THE EAST SIDE.
SO, UM, USUALLY YOU WOULD GET INTO SUB AREAS AND THOSE SUB AREA PLANS WOULD USUALLY BE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO TURN THEM OVERLAYS, BUT THEY ALMOST FUNCTION AS, UM, AS ZONING DISTRICTS UNTO THEMSELVES.
UM, I STRUGGLE WITH THE, THE LIST WE HAVE OF, UM, RECOMMENDED.
AND WHAT'S CONDITIONAL BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER
THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE USUALLY THERE'S A HIGH AMOUNT OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY TRUCK TRAFFIC.
I DON'T WANT HIGH ACTIVITY, HIGH VOLUME TRUCK TRAFFIC GOING BACK INTO MY COMMUNITY, BACK INTO MY NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUNISHING STREETS THAT USUALLY WEREN'T DESIGNED WITH AN EXPECTATION OF THAT TYPE OF VOLUME.
SO WE USUALLY LIKE TO KEEP THINGS LIKE TRUCKING TERMINALS AND WAREHOUSING IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF LOGISTICS GOING IN AND OUT AND CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING.
OBVIOUSLY HE'S GOING TO HAVE RAW MATERIALS COMING IN ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND FINISHED AND, UM, VALUE ADDED MATERIALS COMING OUT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT AS CLOSE TO YOUR HIGH TRAFFIC, HIGH CORRIDORS, HIGH, HIGH VOLUME CORRIDORS AS POSSIBLE, MEANING OFF-RAMPS FROM THE INTERSTATE AND OTHER STATE HIGHWAY STATE ROADS, WHICH ARE USUALLY BUILT TO A HIGHER STANDARD.
SO FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AND AN OPERATION STANDPOINT, THEY TYPICALLY ARE EYESORES, RIGHT? USUALLY THOSE TYPES OF OPERATIONS ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE PRODUCT THAN THEY ARE WITH THE AESTHETIC OF WHERE THE PRODUCT IS VALUE ADDED.
SO YOU GET A LOT OF STEEL BUILDINGS.
YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF LANDSCAPING, USUALLY THEY'RE NOT EVEN REALLY WILLING TO PAVE PARKING AREAS.
THEY WOULD RATHER THE TRUCKS JUST GO THROUGH ON CULICHI.
UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, AND THESE ARE LAND USE QUESTIONS.
SO FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, WAREHOUSE IN CM IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE AND REGIONAL NODE CONDITIONALLY.
WE TYPICALLY CAN USE CONDITIONALLY TO MEAN MOST OF THE AREAS ON THE MAP THAT ARE IN REGIONAL NODE, UM, PROBABLY NEED TO BE EVALUATED FOR THE CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY NETWORK THAT GOES IN THROUGH AND PAST THE SITE.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THE AVAILABILITY OF WATER WASTEWATER, THOSE ARE USUALLY THE BIGGEST CONDITIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE WHEN THE ASK COMES TO YOU.
UM, BUT, BUT MORE AND MORE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START TO LOOK AT THE VIEW SHED.
UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME CLIENTS COME FORWARD WITH, UM, REQUESTS TO BE ABLE TO USE LARGER PARCELS ALONG THE
I WOULD LOVE THEM, BUT IT ALSO SHAPES THE FRONT DOOR OR AT LEAST THE PICTURE WINDOW OF THE CITY OF KYLE AS PEOPLE COME UP AND DOWN AT 35 AND THEY LOOK AROUND WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SEE? ARE THEY GOING TO SEE BUILDINGS WITH MASONRY FACADES AND NICE STANDS OF TURF AND MAYBE A POND WITH A FOUNTAIN IN IT AND, AND TREES ALL OVER.
AND, AND IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE A BUSINESS CENTER OR WILL THERE BE LARGE STOCKPILES OF RAW MATERIALS AND UNPAVED PARKING LOTS AND KYLE RIGHT NOW DOESN'T HAVE A HIGHLY DEVELOPED, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT THE PRODUCT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WOULD YOU HAVE THE
UM, AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL HISTORY, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY JUST TOUCHING THE HIGH POINT.
I THINK WE COULD GET A LOT MORE DETAILED IN WHAT WE ALLOW IN THAT.
UM, SO THAT FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, I'M ALL ABOUT THE WAREHOUSE AND THE CM.
I WOULD LIKE TO START LOOKING AT LATER, THE ABILITY TO, UM, REQUIRE CERTAIN PROJECTS HAVE A DIFFERENT AESTHETIC RATHER THAN THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE WAREHOUSING AND THE CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING IS ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PRODUCT AND THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PRODUCT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND HAVE LESS A CONCERN OF, OF WHAT THEY MAKE OR PRODUCE.
IT'S A LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING, YEAH, IT'S JUST, I DON'T FEEL
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COMFORTABLE WITH SHEET METAL BUILDINGS ALONGAND, AND I, AND FROM AN
WE BRING THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUESTS, WHICH ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST.
THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
THEY'RE JUST THE AESTHETIC REVIEWS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OVERLAY.
UM, IT'S TOUGH IN TEXAS NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE DID DO US TWO YEARS AGO, WHERE THEY SAID THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MANDATE, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS, ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWABLE IN THE, UM, THE APPLICABLE, UM, INTERNATIONAL CODE FOR CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE MADE ALLOWABLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED THE CITIES FROM BEING ABLE TO STATE WHAT SOMEBODY CAN USE AS A BUILDING MATERIAL AND WHAT THEY CAN.
SO, UM, OVERLAYS LIKE THAT, IF THEY'VE NOT ALREADY BEEN PRECLUDED ARE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT, UM, TO, TO MOVE FORWARD NOW.
SO CAN YOU DO IT THROUGH CREATING A DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORY? THAT'S WAREHOUSE PLUS IT'S A STATE PREEMPTION.
SO THE I'M AFRAID THAT IS GOING TO BE, IS THAT MORE AND MORE CITIES ARE JUST GOING TO SAY NO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING UGLY IN MY CITY, I'D RATHER YOU NOT BUILD IT AT ALL.
AND THEY JUST WON'T, THEY WON'T GIVE OVER THE ZONING ASSIGNMENT.
IN WHICH CASE THAT STUFF'S JUST GOING TO MOVE OUT TO THE, TO THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO RESTRICTIONS ON YOU OR THEY'LL DO A, WHAT DO YOU CALL? IT COULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BELMONT.
W WITH THE
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE 35 OVERLAY IS.
WE'VE BEEN USING THAT AS A PREEMPTION BECAUSE STATE LAW SAYS WE CAN, IT DOESN'T DEFINE WHAT AREAS OF ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE ARE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM THERE BEFORE THEY EXPIRE.
AND THE OVERLAY BOUNDARIES, CAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
WE JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER.
AND THAT'S A QUESTION PROBABLY FOR LEGAL TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN ASKED IN THE STATE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN CHALLENGED IN THE STATE OR NOT, UH, TO ANSWER THE ORIGINAL QUESTION.
I, I DO STILL SUPPORT DOING A CONDITIONALLY IN THE ORIGINAL NOTE OR WAREHOUSE, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SPOTS OF OUR REGIONAL NODE WHERE IT, YOU KNOW, COULD DEFINITELY MAKE SENSE AND CONDITIONALLY, UH, UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION.
I THINK THAT THE HARDEST PART OF THAT IS OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, THE AESTHETIC ASPECT OF IT, BUT ALSO YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TRUCKS GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW, CAUSING, UH, CAUSING EXTRA DAMAGE TO OUR ROADS AND ALL OF OUR, UM, BRIDGES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
LIKE, I THINK ABOUT HOW THAT CASCADES AND LIKE, I THINK WITH CONDITIONAL, WE CAN STILL DO THINGS AROUND THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STILL MEETS THE NEEDS OF KYLE AND THE NEEDS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUT OF OUR LAND USE.
WE HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DANCE.
I THINK THAT, UM, SO IF WE DO IT CONDITIONALLY, WHEN, BUT CAN YOU JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO LOOK GOOD OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT OR IT CAN BE JUST WHATEVER IT'S JUST THERE.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN ZONING QUESTIONS COME BEFORE YOU IT'S EXCLUSIVELY A LAND USE QUESTION, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, IN FACT, NOT ONLY WHEN, UH, WHEN A LAND USE QUESTION COMES TO YOU, YOU DON'T JUST CONSIDER WHATEVER THE APPLICANT MAY OR MAY NOT BE DOING, WHICH THEY DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU WHY THERE'S ZONING IN TEXAS.
YOU NEED TO CONSIDER NOT ONLY WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, BUT WHAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING EVERY, EVERY OTHER USE THAT'S ALLOWABLE THERE.
SO IF SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH A REQUEST FOR RS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN THEY WALK OUT THAT DOOR WITH AN APPROVAL, THEY DON'T NEED TO BUILD THAT FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
ONCE THAT THE ZONING ENTITLEMENTS THERE, THEY CAN BUILD ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWABLE IN RS.
AND SO MAYBE THAT SITE WASN'T APPROPRIATE FOR A CAR DEALERSHIP, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE.
SO NEVER LISTENED TO WHAT THEY TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE KIND OF, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD, BECAUSE IT REALLY IT'S IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.
THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD EVERYTHING THAT'S ALLOWABLE IN THAT DISTRICT AND EVERY DISTRICT BENEATH IT.
AND YOU NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH ALL OF IT BECAUSE ONCE IT'S ENTITLED, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
I GO BACK AND ASK HER A MEDIAL, OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REMEDIAL, BUT THE MIDTOWN DISTRICT, IT'S GOT A RATHER LIMITED RECOMMENDED USE.
AND I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF THE CORNER THERE, WHERE WALGREENS IS, AND THERE'S A STRIPES THERE.
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THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING INTERSECTION AND MAYBE IT'LL BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT AFTER, UH, THE DEVELOPMENTS WEST OCCUR, FM 27 70 AND ONE 50.IT WOULD BE IN A, A REALLY ATTRACTIVE AREA FOR, I WOULD SAY A LITTLE BIT DENSER RETAIL THAN THEY HAVE THERE NOW AT GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN WEST OR EAST FROM WIMBERLEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
OR ARE WE PRECLUDING ANY WHAT I WOULD CALL POSITIVE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT FROM OCCURRING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN THE RECOMMENDED, OR WE DON'T WANT TO GO THERE UNDER, UNDER MIDTOWN DISTRICT.
ALL WE HAVE REALLY IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR NO, WE'RE FINE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT RS AND YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
UH, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ON RS ARE BOTH CONDITIONAL.
SO ARE YOU ASKING TO MOVE THOSE TO RECOMMEND IT, OR DOES IT HINDER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE? BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE RECOMMENDED? MAYBE IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ISN'T ANSWERABLE AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
UM, BEFORE I ANSWER, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A SCENARIO WHERE I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT I, I I'M LEANING TOWARDS NO, IT DOESN'T HINDER THEM.
IT STILL GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN, WHEN WE USE CONDITIONAL, MOST OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE EVALUATE BEFORE BEING ABLE TO SAY GO NO-GO ARE RELATED TO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AND THE WATER WASTEWATER AVAILABILITY.
UM, I CAN SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME BLOCKS WITHIN THE MIDTOWN DISTRICT THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR RS OR, OR S OR CC, OR EVEN NC, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S RECOMMENDED EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN INTERSECTION UP THERE WHERE IT WOULD BE WILDLY APPROPRIATE BY ANYONE'S EVALUATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT CONDITIONAL IS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT CORRIDORS, PROBABLY GOING TO BE A YES.
UM, TH YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY THE CORNER OF ELM AND SOUTH ELM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT IN, IN HOMETOWN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT IN PLUM CREEK, PROBABLY NOT THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S WORKING REALLY PRETTY WELL.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, THAT PATTERN OF HAVING A MOST, EVERYTHING UNDER CONDITIONAL WOULD, WOULD ALMOST BE WHAT WE DO, WHAT HE WAS ASKING EARLIER ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEWTOWN COMMUNITY, THE NEWTOWN COMMUNITY THAT'S EAST OF 35 IS, IS LARGELY BUILT OUT.
SO ANYBODY THAT COMES IN AND ASKS FOR SOMETHING OVER THERE SHOULD, SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ANSWER TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF SCRUTINY SIMPLY BECAUSE THE CONDITION AT THAT POINT WOULD ALSO BE ADJACENT LAND USES AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE IN LIGHT OF ADJACENT LAND USES, WHICH IS WHAT'S IS TRUE OF CONDITIONAL.
SEE, THE THING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LISTED THESE THINGS AS EITHER BEING RECOMMENDED OR CONDITIONAL CONDITIONALS FINE, BUT WHAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SURETY IS WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS? WHAT WILL YOU EVALUATE MY REQUEST AGAINST? SO AT LEAST THEY CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT IN THEIR APPLICATION.
WE DON'T SAY WHAT CONDITIONAL IS.
I TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY ASK ME BASED UPON PAST PERFORMANCE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S WRITTEN ANYWHERE ABOUT WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE THAT WE, THAT WE CONSIDER IT AGAINST.
BUT I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BARRIER TO ENTRY.
I THINK IT'S AN, IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED OF THIS GROUP AND ANSWERED BY THIS GROUP WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT'S ALREADY BUILT IN MIDTOWN.
SO YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S POSSIBLY ANY NEED TO PUT A SMALL LOCAL NODE RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IT'S A NATURALLY OCCURRING NOTE ANYWAY.
UM, I WOULDN'T OBJECT TO IT OF, UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THE, IT WOULD BE THE YELLOW ONE TELLS ME THAT, THAT THE LEFT CORNER HASN'T BEEN FURTHER DEVELOPED.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES THERE'S SO MUCH.
SO IT'S A NATURALLY OCCURRING LOCAL NODE UNTO ITSELF, BUT I COULD SEE THERE.
I MEAN, ONE THING THAT I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD IS THE REGIONAL NODE.
THAT'S FURTHER WEST, THE REGIONAL NODE, THAT'S WAY OUT PAST WHAT A ROYAL RANCH OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE WAY OUT THERE ON THE SECTION OF ONE 50 AT BAFFLES ME.
I THINK THE ONLY THING I CAN IMAGINE IS THAT THAT WAS EXPECTED OR THE INTENDED TIE-IN OF THE PASS, THE ONE 50 BYPASS THAT'S GONNA COME UP THROUGH AND, AND INTERSECT ONE 50 WEST, SOMEWHERE UP THERE, I GUESS IT'S GOING TO BE THERE AT THAT POINT.
THEY WOULD EXPECT THAT THOSE, THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE HIGH ACTIVITY, HIGH TRAFFIC, WHICH RE A REGIONAL NODE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DO A WINDSHIELD SURVEY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE GROUND
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DRIVING ON THAT SECTION OF ROAD, YOU'D NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS THINK THAT SOMEBODY WOULD DROP, UH, AN HEB OR A HOME DEPOT OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A REGIONAL NODE.I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CORE OR CORE AREA TRANSITION OR CORE TRANSITIONARY.
I DON'T WANT TO WORK, WHICH IS THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY FOR THAT TRANSITION, THE CAT AND THE CAT.
UM, THERE'S NOTING THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF VACANCY COMPARED TO THE AREAS, UM, IN THE SUPER REGIONAL AND THE REGIONAL NODE.
UM, ARE WE EMPOWERING IT WITH THE PROPER LAND USE USES IS A QUESTION THAT HAVE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
UH, IT'S THE, THE CAT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE CORE AREA TRANSITION AREA IT'S ON
THAT'S THE ORIGINAL, WELL, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED THIS IS I BELIEVE THE TIME BEFORE MINE, I STARTED HERE, UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APARTMENTS THAT WERE RIGHT JUST NORTH OF THAT ARE POSSIBLE, UH, LAND USE, WHERE THEY WANTED TO ZONE IT TO AN R THREE, THREE, OR I BELIEVE, UM, W IT WAS IN THE, UM, RSS ZONING RIGHT THERE BEHIND TARGET.
UM, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, ARE WE EMPOWERING IT WITH THE RIGHT USE USES, BUT THAT WASN'T A SUPER ORIGINAL NOTE, WASN'T IT? THAT IS IN THE SUPER REGION, CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, AS WE GET OUT OF THOSE INTO LESS DENSE, THE CORE AREA TRANSITION, UM, ALWAYS MAKES ME ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND I'M, THEN I'M ABLE TO ACTUALLY OFFER ANSWERS.
THERE IS RESIDENTIAL, THERE, THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, STABLE AND WE'LL CALL IT HISTORIC.
BUT AT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY, UH, WAS CENTERED AROUND THAT AREA.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL TOWN, BUT AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT GOES, UM, UM, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO PUT FORWARD, BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE CASES FOR AND AGAINST ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITY, UH, ON THAT SECTION OF
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN MAKE A DOZEN, A DOZEN ARGUMENTS RIGHT NOW.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S RECOMMENDED IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IS COMMERCIAL IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL AT THE VERY LEAST.
AND THEN CONDITIONALLY RESIDENTIAL IS IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE OUTCOME.
I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THAT WE WOULD HAVE.
SO OUR ONE, A, THERE IS A PROVISION CONDITIONALLY IN THE RONS ZONING FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, BUT BY AND LARGE, IT WAS, IT WAS MADE TO BE EITHER ZERO LOT LINE OR, UM, OUR WARRANTY IS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A TOWNHOME, UH, ARCHITECTURE ALONE, OUR WANNSEE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT AN ARCHITECTURE TYPE, BUT IT'S, UM, RESIDENTIAL, ONE FAMILY CONDOMINIUM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A RENTAL PROPERTY, A RENTAL PRODUCT THAT'S DONE ON A, ON A PARENT LOT WITH A BUNCH OF SIMILAR STRUCTURES AROUND IT.
AND AN
SO, OR MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN THAT IN OUR THREE, THREE.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE THAT THE STAFF, AT LEAST THAT I'VE NOTICED ON THIS SECTION IS LOW.
UM, OTHER, WE, WE DID JUST GET A PROJECT, UH, ENTITLED THAT'S AT THE, THE WEST SIDE OF PHILOMENA.
THAT'S STILL EAST OF THE, OF THE INTERSTATE, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN SEE THE LIST OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALL REASONABLY AWARE OF WHAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, OF THE INTERSTATE GOING THROUGH THERE.
DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL RECOMMENDED AND RESIDENTIAL AS CONDITIONAL AND, AND W W WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LIST THERE THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH THAT WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THOSE ALL THAT'S BLACK.
SO I ASSUME THAT THAT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN THERE TODAY.
I AM SERIOUS, THOUGH, IF WE EVER DID GET LIGHT RAIL, THAT WOULD BE THE GOLD AREA IN THE CITY.
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SO YOU AND JEFF, JEFF BARTON'S PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD TOO, AND THAT'S ALL VERTICAL MIXED USE AND A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND TOWNHOMES AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF LIKE THAT.UM, WHICH FALLS INTO THAT CORE AREA TRANSITION USES.
HE HAS, UH, HIS FAMILY'S PROPERTY IS JUST NORTH OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AT MARKETPLACE AND NORTH BURLINGTON, UM, JUST SOUTH OF WHERE THE CUTOFF BURLESON FROM THE ACCESS ROAD.
AND HE'S GOING TO BE DOING, UH, AN URBAN VILLAGE THERE.
HE'S GOT HIS ENTITLEMENTS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, SO THAT THAT'S A PROJECT THAT HASN'T BROKEN GROUND YET, BUT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
I THINK I LIKED THE LIST AS IT IS.
I DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND ARE ONE A THERE, BUT, BUT YES, RECOMMENDED THE RETAIL SERVICES THAT MAKES D A, THAT MAKES SENSE.
THEN CONDITIONALLY, WE COULD CONSIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR THREE-THREE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, ME GET THIS DONE.
UM, I THINK RNA, IN THIS CONTEXT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT IT WAS NARROW LOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
I THINK THEY WANT 35 FOOT, LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED STRUCTURES, ALMOST BUNGALOW TYPE TYPE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD BE THE LOWEST DENSITY ESTATE, LOTS IN A BROADER CONTEXT OF WHATEVER WAS DEVELOPED.
SO I THINK SOMEBODY WOULD DO SOMETHING PROBABLY AS A PUD AND THERE BE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BUY INTO THAT PROJECT, A MIXED USE PROJECT, AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BUY AS A SINGLE FAMILY STANDALONE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR AN ENTITLEMENT.
NO, BUT THE LIST AS IT IS NOW MAKES SENSE TO ME.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LIST.
I HAVE A BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THE
I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THERE, BUT, UM, IT'S FINE.
AND IT WOULD COME BEFORE US ANYWAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING NOW? IS THERE ANYTHING MISSING? I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL, UM, ALL THREE OF OUR, OUR COMMERCIALS, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING DISTRICTS ARE, THERE ARE SCC AND NC AMEX D IS ALSO THERE, WHICH MAKES THE AVAILABILITY FOR HIGH DENSITY.
MULTI-FAMILY ALONG WITH COMMERCIAL ARE OUR EMPLOYMENT CENTER, THE EXPECTATION FOR WHAT WE'D HAVE CLASS, A OFFICE WOULD BE O AND I, UM, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER USES THERE THAT ARE COMMUNITY MINDED.
UM, SO THE, THE ALLOWABLE USES ARE EXHAUSTIVE AS FOR WHAT'S RECOMMENDED TODAY.
IF YOU CAN'T FIND A ZONING THAT PERMITS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FIT IN THE CORE AREA.
YOU ARE SURROUNDED ON EVERY SIDE BY SOMETHING.
YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON THE PROJECT.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON SOMETHING ELSE, IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE EAST GATEWAY DISTRICT, UM, A NARRATIVE, UH, IT'S JUST A CLOSED.
SO I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT THE PREFERRED OR THE USES.
UM, THE THIRD USE
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A TYPO OR IF ARE TWO, IS A, IS ONE THAT I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH R TWO IS DUPLEXES.
SO OUR ONE, THREE OF THE 50 FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, OUR ONE T IS TOWNHOME.
OUR TWO IS, UH, RESIDENTIAL, TWO FAMILY DUPLEXES, WHICH ARE NOT STACKED.
SO THEY WOULD BE SIDE BY SIDE, THESE LIGHTS, THE LIGHTS NEED TO, UH, NO EXTRA CHARGE FOR IT EITHER.
UM, I DON'T SEE THAT REALLY MOST ANYWHERE ELSE.
IS THERE A REASON THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD THAT INTO EAST GATEWAY, BUT WE'RE NOT IN THE OTHER AREAS OF OUR CITY, YOU SETTLEMENT HAS IT, OR TO HISTORIC CORE AREA HAS, OR RIGHT.
I'M LOOKING AT IT SPECIFICALLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CREATING A DIVERSE HOUSING PRODUCT.
I WANT TO SEE MORE TYPES OF HOUSING IN KYLE.
UM, THERE IS A PART OF ME AND IT'S NOT JUST TIED TO THE, TO THE DEARTH OF PRODUCT THAT'S OUT THERE AVAILABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TRIED TO BUY A HOME LATELY, BUT IT'S, IT IS A SELLER'S MARKET RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN SELL WHATEVER YOU WANT AND YOU'LL PROBABLY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY WITH IT, BUT THE, THE STOCK OUT THERE IS MISSING.
I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID THAT WE SHOULD
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BE ABLE TO GET MORE TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES AND OTHER TYPES OF MISSING MIDDLE STEP UP PRODUCT, GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF STRICTLY RENTAL, MULTI-FAMILY GOING STRAIGHT INTO SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED THREE BEDROOMS. THAT'S A BIG LEAP FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.AND I MEAN, I'M WHITE COLLAR PROFESSIONAL WHEN I WAS 30, ALMOST 31 YEARS OLD BEFORE I BOUGHT MY FIRST HOME, SIMPLY BECAUSE MOVING FROM AN APARTMENT, WHICH WERE REALLY EXPENSIVE, THAT WAS REALLY OVERPRICED.
AND IT WAS HARD TO SAVE MONEY FOR A DOWN PAYMENT TO BUY A HOUSE, TO GET INTO THAT CYCLE.
BUT HAD THERE BEEN AN ATTRACTIVE OPTION FOR US TO BUY A TOWNHOME OR BUY HALF OF THE DUPLEX OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THE APARTMENT EARLIER.
SO I CAN IMAGINE THAT AT THE TIME THAT I HAD PUT THAT IN THERE, I'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD MIX IN THERE.
I'VE GOT SOME MULTIFAMILY, I'VE GOT DUPLEX.
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT'S THERE.
AND, UH, AND THEN ALSO JUST RS, UM, IS THERE A REASON THAT'S UNDER PREFERRED AND NOT CONDITIONAL? BECAUSE AGAIN, I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY SHOULD HAVE RS IN THERE, BUT THERE ARE, I WOULD ALSO ASSUME THERE SOME AREAS OF THE EAST GATEWAY THAT NECESSARILY SHOULDN'T AND I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SELF-SELECTING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ON ONE 50 OR, OR CLOSE TO A 21.
I GUESS IT'S A PUSH, I GUESS IT COULD BE CONDITIONED GOING BACK TO YOUR OTHER COMMENT.
I WHOLLY SUPPORT, UM, A HUGE MIX OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, INCLUDING TOWNHOUSE, PALMS, AND CONDOMINIUMS. IF THEY'RE DONE WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY QUALITY.
THEY COULD BE BEAUTIFUL AND GET PEOPLE INTO HOME OWNERSHIP THAT DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A YARD AND DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR.
THE CLOSEST THING WE'RE GETTING TO NOW IS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED THAT ARE GOING THAT ARE RENTAL PRODUCTS.
EVERYBODY I HEAR THAT'S COMING IN WANTS TO BUILD A SUBDIVISION, BUT INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING FEE SIMPLE, SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS TOGETHER WHERE YOU BUY EVERYTHING THERE.
NOW JUST BUILDING PROJECTS OF SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOMES AND YOU RENT THE HOUSE AND STUFF.
I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE DIVISION THEY WOULD GET.
A LOT OF HIM, A LOT OF THEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
A LOT OF THEM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE SELLING VERY HIGH PRICES FOR RENTAL.
THIS, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I ACTUALLY DID THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ONE IN THE COUNTRY.
AND, UH, ADDISON DOWN IN SOUTHEAST AUSTIN IS ONE OF THE FIRST OF ITS KIND.
AND, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE SECTION, WHICH IS ABOUT 153 HOMES, UH, IS THE BEST LOOKING IN THAT COMMUNITY.
THE ARCHITECTURE TYPES, NOT MY CHALLENGE.
UM, THE, THE LAND USE ISN'T SPECIFICALLY MY CHALLENGE.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT THE, THE LACK OF DIVERSITY IN THE AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING TYPE, I MEAN, RADIOS HAVE A DIAL FOR A REASON.
SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THAT AND SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE OTHER THING.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY THIS OR THAT, UM, AND AT DIFFERENT AREAS OF YOUR LIFE, YOU WANT TO LIVE IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
YOUNG PEOPLE TYPICALLY LIVE IN APARTMENTS, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S AVAILABLE, BUT IT, IT SUITS THEM WHEN YOU'RE ACTIVE AND YOU'RE OUT A LOT.
YOUR HOME SORTA JUST TURNS INTO A DORM.
YOU DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE.
YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUT AND ACTIVE.
AND AS YOU START TO GET OLDER, YOU START TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD IS WHAT YOU BUY.
AND THEN AGAIN, AS YOU EMPTY NEST AND YOU GET, YOU GET OLDER, YOU WANT TO DOWNSIZE AND YOU WANT TO GET INTO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE LESS OF A MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE CONDOMINIUMS CAN COME IN.
UM, THERE, THERE IS A TIME IN YOUR LIFE AND AN ACTIVITY PERIOD OF YOUR LIFE THAT HAS, THAT OFTEN HAS, UH, INAPPROPRIATE, REAL ESTATE TYPE BEHIND IT.
KYLE DOESN'T HAVE THAT DIVERSE.
WE HAVE APARTMENTS AND WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT YOU CAN OWN.
AND A NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE BEING PURCHASED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THEM INTO RENTAL.
UM, I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE MORE ARCHITECTURE TYPES AND MORE OWNERSHIP TYPES.
AND IF, I MEAN, ANOTHER GOOD REASON IS THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RECESSION PROOF.
SO IF FOR SOME REASON, INTEREST RATES DID SOMETHING WEIRD OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE REAL ESTATE MARKET JUST DROPS OUT IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU KNOW, BECOME A WHITE ELEPHANT THAT NOBODY WANTS TO GET AHOLD OF.
AND W W IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF ANYTHING THAT GOES BAD, THE LACK OF DIVERSITY CAN, CAN CAUSE YOU A CHALLENGE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO DIVERSIFY, TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING IS ALWAYS POPULAR.
AND I'M COMING, I'M COMING TO YOU WITH 15 YEARS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BACKGROUND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WE, WE FINANCE FARM LABOR HOUSING, BUT WE ALSO DO, UM, FINANCING FOR LOW AND VERY LOW INCOME
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FAMILIES IN HOME OWNERSHIP.SO THAT HOME OWNERSHIP PIECE IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
CAN WE HAVE, UH, FOUR, UM, DETACHED CONDOMINIUM LIMBS? IT'S LIKE A COTTAGE STYLE DESIGNATION.
DO WE HAVE A, WHAT A ZONING, A DO WE HAVE A DESIGNATION FOR A DETACHED CONDO TYPE OF, IT WOULD BE RONC IF YOU WERE GOING TO, IF YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD A HOME AND SELL THE INSIDE OF THE HOME, BUT KEEP THE OUTSIDE AND THE COMMON AREAS AND EVERYTHING IN A, IN A DIFFERENT CORPORATION, YOU WOULD BUILD THAT IN OUR ONE C.
HOWARD DOES THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE OUR ONE T AS A RECOMMENDED AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS, DOES THAT KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR CONDITIONAL USE, THEN STIRS EVERYONE UP, OR, UM, WELL, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE JUST, JUST SOUTH OF HOMETOWN, RIGHT? OUR, OUR ONE T UM, WORKS, BUT NOT UNIVERSALLY, NOT EVERYWHERE.
UM, I THINK CONDITIONALLY IT'S OKAY.
AND THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT I THINK ABOUT IT WITH OUR WARRANTY IS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING, YOU CAN BUILD UP TO 10 HOMES TO THE ACRE FROM, FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE AN ASSOCIATED, UM, TRAFFIC COMPONENT THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, A HIGH, HIGHER POPULATION PER ACRE THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT.
SO I THINK CONDITIONALLY IT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON IN KYLE, UH, WASTEWATER WASTE WASTEWATER, THE NUMBER OF VALUES THAT COME OUT OF TOWNHOMES, WHEN YOU HAVE 10 UNITS TO THE ACRE WHERE MOST OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED STUFF, KYLE WOULD CONSIDER HIGH DENSITY TO BE ABOUT 3.6 OR 3.9 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO THE ACRE TO BE HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND TOWNHOMES CAN MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT.
SO I LIKE KEEPING TOWNHOMES CONDITIONAL AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IS PREFERRED OR CONDITIONAL IS A BARRIER TO ENTRY.
UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST, UH, AN ADMISSION ON THE PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY, THE CITY IN THIS CASE, UM, THAT WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT MIGHT MIGHT TAX THE CITY AND COULD HARM THE CITY REGIONALLY.
SO IT DESERVES MORE INTROSPECTION.
UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, THIS JUST POPPED INTO MY HEAD CAUSE I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
BUT UP ON THE UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS AND EVERYTHING, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR CONDOS.
HAS THAT EVER BEEN CONSIDERED THAT LIKE OWNERSHIP RATHER THAN RENTAL? I'M SORRY.
UM, I MEAN, AS FAR AS OWNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT, I DON'T REALLY GET INTO THAT VERY MUCH.
UM, BUT I'M SURE THE FOLKS THAT ARE DEVELOPING THAT HAVE CONSIDERED IT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES IT SUCCESSFUL.
ARE THEY GOING FORWARD WITH RENTAL? OKAY.
I WILL SAY, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP AND THINGS LIKE I WANT TO COME BACK TO, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A REALLY DIVERSE HOUSING POOL, LIKE HOWARD JUST SAID, BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES RENTAL.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL, LIKE A LOT OF WELL-QUALIFIED RENTAL IN KYLE FOLKS LIKE MYSELF CANNOT BUY A HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MANAGE, GOING TO BUYING A HOUSE.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT COST THE DEPOSIT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE SAVINGS YOU HAVE TO ACQUIRE OVER TIME.
AND RIGHT NOW A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT AND KYLE IS RUNNING ALMOST $1,100, UM, FOR A ONE BEDROOM, LET ALONE GET TO THE TWO BEDROOMS. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT 13 TO 1500 GET TO THE THREE BEDROOMS AND YOU'RE SHOVING 21, 2200.
AND WE'RE 25 MILES FROM THE CENTER OF AUSTIN.
LIKE WE'RE STRUGGLING, WE'RE EXPERIENCING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON RENTERS.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO LEAD TO THEM, TO BECOMING HOMEOWNERS.
SO WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE OPTIONS FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES.
LIKE WE SEE THE URBANO PLUM CREEK THAT MAY NOT BE THE MOST PEOPLE'S FAVORITE PLACE TO BE, BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PLACE BETWEEN JUST BEING AN APARTMENT AND LIKE OWNING YOUR OWN HOME.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO HAVE A LIFE IN OWNING HOME AND HAVE ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND THINGS THAT TAKE CARE OF IT.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A STOCK OF HOUSING THAT MEETS ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE'S NEEDS THAT WAY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO LIVE IN BUDA OR NEW BRAUNFELS OR SAN MARCOS TO ACHIEVE THE THINGS THEY'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S THE POINT THAT I'M, I'M KIND OF PUTTING FORWARD IS THAT THE, THE RENTAL PRODUCTS TODAY ARE SO EXPENSIVE TO THE POINT THAT YOU CAN'T SAVE MONEY TO GET INTO SOMETHING.
BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE 20% FOR A DOWN PAYMENT ON A SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOME, WHICH IN KYLE IS GOING TO BE, I DON'T KNOW, LET'S SAY $280,000.
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IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER TO SAVE 20%.IF YOU CAN GET A REALLY NICE TOWNHOME, THAT'S GOING FOR A HUNDRED OR 105, RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN LIVE IN THAT AND BE PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE AND EARNING EQUITY IN IT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU WANT TO MOVE UP TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, THAT'S TWO 80, YOU CAN SELL THAT 105 UNIT, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE APPRECIATED AND TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY THAT YOU WERE SAVING FOR YOURSELF AND PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND STEP UP.
IT'S, IT'S GETTING PEOPLE, IT'S ACCELERATING THE PROCESS TOWARDS HOME OWNERSHIP RATHER THAN LIVING IN, YOU KNOW, UH, I WAS RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
I WAS IN A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT UNTIL I WAS, YOU KNOW, INTO MY THIRTIES.
AND I CAN, I CAN REMEMBER, I JUST REMEMBER PAYING THE RENT EVERY MONTH, THINKING WE'RE NEVER SAVING ANY MONEY.
THAT'S GOING TO GO TOWARDS A DOWN PAYMENT WHEN ALL OF THAT IS GOING INTO THIS WILDLY OVER-PRICED RENTAL.
SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF THE DIVERSITY.
IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE OWNERSHIP CHAIN, NOT NECESSARILY THE ARCHITECTURE TYPE OR, OR EVEN THE, THE, THE OWNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT.
AND ALSO THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH RENTAL IS IT KEEPS GOING UP EVERY YEAR, SEE WHAT THE, WITH A FIXED RATE MORTGAGE, YOU'VE GOT A PAYMENT, EVEN IF IT'S 1500, 1800, WHAT MA WHAT IT MAY BE, BUT THAT'S A FIXED RATE MORTGAGE OTHER THAN YOUR PROPERTY TAXES.
THE PROBLEM WITH RENTALS IS, IS THEY KEEP GOING UP.
AND SO THAT CREATES CHALLENGES TOO.
I HATE TO INTERRUPT OUR DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OFF BASE AND WE STILL HAVE ANOTHER ITEM HERE, THE LIGHTING.
SO I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU WANTED MORE INPUT OR WHATEVER.
I JUST WANT TO ZERO WAS BACK IN THAT.
CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN MATCH THE, THE PLAN.
BUT IN MY MIND, I THINK, UH, IF OUR ONE T IS CONDITIONAL, I THINK THAT IS A BARRIER SOMETIMES BECAUSE I I'VE BEEN PRIVY TO WATCH ONE OF THE SHOWS WHERE PEOPLE CAME OUT FOR IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALL LIKE THAT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OPINIONS BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT TOWNHOMES AND OTHER, AND SOME OF THESE AFFORDABLE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THEIR AREA THAT I THINK MIGHT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM EVEN CONSIDERING THEY DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH IT.
AND I DON'T DO THIS FOR A LIVING.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, I'M JUST GOING BY THE SMALL ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE I HAVE.
I'M WONDERING, SHOULD WE NOT PUSH OUR ONE T AS A PREFERRED USE IN A COUPLE OF PLACES TO TRY AND PROMOTE THAT SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BECOME AN ISSUE IT'S LISTED AS PREFERRED IN OUR EAST GATEWAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE MOMENT OR NOT, BUT, UH, BUT IT IS THERE IS, ARE THERE OTHER ONES YOU ARE SUGGESTING TO MOVE IT TO MIDTOWN? YEAH, IT ACTUALLY SEEMS LIKE A GOOD FIT, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE PART OF IT.
YOU MAY GET A SHOE THROWN AT ME BY SOMEBODY LATER, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN WE WERE, UH, THE REZONING FOR THE LIVE TRACK THAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I BELIEVE, UM, IT WENT THROUGH, I DON'T REMEMBER IT WAS FIRST OR SECOND GRADE, BUT IT PASSED, UM, IT WAS CONDITIONAL IN THE HISTORIC AREA FOR KOSTA DOWNTOWN.
UM, BUT IT WAS CONDITIONAL SPECIFICALLY, LIKE HOWARD MENTIONED FOR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE REASONS, UM, THAT THE EXISTING WASTEWATER TO THE SITE IS, IS A REALLY BAD SHAPE, BUT BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR TOWNHOME AND TOWNHOMES AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET A HIGHER DENSITY OUT OF IT, THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE PROFORMER WORK, UM, BY DOING A LOT OF OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR WASTEWATER.
UM, AND THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON, UM, OR I, IT LOOKS, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS A HUGE REASON OF WHY IT PASSED BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING A HUGE, LIKE LEGITIMATELY A HUGE, UM, IMPROVEMENT IN THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF DOWNTOWN.
UM, NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T BE RECOMMENDED ELSEWHERE, BUT FOOD FOR THOUGHT, I GUESS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC? I THINK I'M GOOD.
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WORK SESSION.I WOULDN'T IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE A SCHEDULED MAY WORK SESSION RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, BECAUSE BY THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING THE, THE WALKING CHARRETTE WOULD BE THAT BE THE EARLIEST PART OF HAVING THE, THE PUBLIC PORTION.
UM, SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE NEXT TIME WE WOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION RELATED TO IT WOULD BE JUNE.
AND, AND I REALLY LIKE YOUR COMMUNICATION AND WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO WITH THIS AND THE CHARETTES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
CAN WE, CAN WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALSO DOING SOME ONLINE OF THE SAME PROCESS? THAT'S THE PLAN I'LL TALK WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
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FOUR C DISCUSSION REGARDING AMENDMENT TO SECTION 41 DASH ONE, FOUR SIX STREETLIGHT.WE'LL ACT ANSON FOR THE RECORD.
LET ME PULL UP THIS DOCUMENTS.
SO TO GIVE A BIT OF BACKGROUND ON, AND THIS IS A WORKING DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE UPLOADED HERE AND HAVE A BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS.
UM, WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, UH, ACTUALLY THIS YEAR, REALLY, UM, ADMINISTRATION ASKED, UM, PLANNING STAFF TO LEAD THE CHARGE IN TERMS OF UPDATING OUR STREETLIGHT ORDINANCE, UM, TO, TO ADD SOME STUFF IN THERE RELATED TO, UM, DARK SKY COMPLIANCE AND DECORATIVE POLLS.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, AND ASKED ME TO COORDINATE WITH BOTH ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS RELATED TO THAT.
AND SO WE DID, UH, MYSELF, JOANNE GARCIA AND SCOTT EGBERT, JOANNE IS IN SHE'S IN ENGINEERING.
UM, AND THEN SCOTT EGBERT IS THE DIVISION MANAGER FOR THE STREETS DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WE COLLABORATED TOGETHER, AND THIS IS THE PRODUCT OF IT.
IT PERHAPS WENT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT CITY COUNCIL ASKED, BUT IT, IT MAKES SENSE WHAT WE DID OR WE BELIEVE IT MAKES SENSE.
SO, UM, SO A LOT OF IT, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS, IS MAKING SURE WE WERE UPDATING, UM, PLACEMENT STREET LIGHTS.
THAT'S THE BEGINNING SECTION OF IT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE LIGHTING FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, LIKE ON HIM INTERSECTIONS AND WHERE TO PLACE.
SO BASED OFF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A MINOR STREET INTERSECTING WITH A MAJOR STREET OR TWO MAJOR STREETS, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, THAT'S WHAT ALL THIS MOSTLY IS IN THE FIRST PART.
UM, AND WE ADDED A DIAGRAM IN THERE ALSO, UH, FROM, I WANT TO SAY, IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S FROM TXDOT.
UH, WE UPDATED ALSO, UM, WE DID MADE SOME REFERENCES TO DECORATIVE STREET LIGHTING, WHICH WE'LL SEE LATER ON IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND, UM, WE UPDATED THE, UM, THE LUMENS AND THE, UH, LIGHT SIZES FOR, UH, FOR THE STREET TYPES.
UM, PRIOR TO THIS, THEY WEREN'T LEDS.
THIS WAS WRITTEN BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, THE SUBDIVISION CODE, AND IT WAS NEVER UPDATED.
AND NOW ONLY WE ONLY USE ANY MOST DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE STATE USE LEDS.
WE USE LEDS, UH, PEC USES LEDS TEXTILES, SWITCHING TO LEDS.
SO WE, UM, COORDINATED WITH, UM, THE APPROPRIATE STAFF AT PUBLIC WORKS AND MADE SURE THAT THOSE ARE UPDATED AS WELL TO BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET AN LED WITH THAT SORT OF LEVEL OF POWER IF YOU WILL, ON THE LUMEN SIZE.
SO IF IT STAYED IN THE RED THERE, UM, DOWN HERE IS WHERE WE START TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, A SUBDIVISION HAS, UM, THE STANDARD, WHAT WE CALL IT, COBRA HEADLIGHTS THEY'RE THE, THE STANDARD STREET LIGHTS HAVE COME UP AND OVER AND THAT KIND OF ARC OVER AND THEY HAVE THE LIGHT FACING DOWN, OR IF YOU WANT DECORATIVE, UM, WE WERE TOLD THAT, UM, KEEP THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE COBRA HEADS, THE STANDARD ONES, BUT IF WE NEED TO MAKE A PROVISION TO ALLOW DECORATIVE STREETLIGHTS, BUT IF THEY DO, THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED AND OWNED BY THE HOA.
SO THAT IS A, THAT IS AN OPTION.
UH, WE DO, UM, ENCOURAGE IT, HOWEVER IT IS NOT REQUIRED.
UM, AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW, UH, WE WROTE IN HERE ABOUT HOW IT HAD TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU DECORATIVE POLES, SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON THOSE, UM, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND YOU ALSO TRYING TO GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY AS WELL, BECAUSE WE WANT, WE DON'T WANT IT WITH CITY PROJECTS.
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WE DO WANT TO, UM, AS BEST AS WE'RE ABLE, IF FINANCES ALLOW BE ABLE TO PUT IN DECORATIVE LIGHTS TO SHOW OFF THE CITY FOR NEW STREET PROJECTS, UM, ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT SOMETIMES FINANCES DON'T ALLOW.SO WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO WHERE WE DO HAVE STANDARD LIGHTS, ALLOWABLE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT IN A NUTSHELL.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ARE ALWAYS MET, EVEN IF THE HOA DECIDES TO DO THEIR OWN DECORATIVE LIGHTING FROM A STANDPOINT OF HOW FAR WE'RE ELIMINATING THINGS.
SO WE WILL STILL REVIEW IT WITH A SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE REVIEW.
UM, I GUESS YOUR STAFF, AND THAT'S THE SAME DOCUMENT THAT SHOWS LIKE HOW WIDE THE PAYMENT HAS TO BE.
THE TYPE OF CURBING USED, UM, WATER WASTEWATER.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW A LIGHTING PLAN FOR ALL THE LIGHTS, THE STREET LIGHTS, AND IN THIS IS JUST, WE STILL HAVE TO REVIEW THAT.
UM, DOES THE DARK SKY PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE DEAL WITH THE FREQUENCY OF THE LIGHT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET SOME BRIGHT WHITES HERE.
AND SO THE, THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, LIGHTING ZONES IN CHAPTER 54.
UM, AND SO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN LININGS ZONE, UH, STADIUMS AFTER ARE UNDER A DIFFERENT LIGHTING ZONE.
UM, A SHOPPING CENTER HAS A DIFFERENT ONE COMPLETELY.
SO YES, THAT THEY'LL NEED TO BE WITHIN THOSE AS WELL.
IT'S JUST NOT BUILT INTO THE SUBDIVISION SIDE OF THE CODE, BUT IT IS THERE.
I'LL JUST ADD PERSONALLY, I'M A FAN OF DARK SKY LIGHTING BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES IMPROVE SAFETY.
UM, IT REDUCES THE GLARE AND I COME FROM LIVING IN COMMUNITIES THAT REQUIRE DARK SKY.
AND WHEN I'M DRIVING ON AN INTERSTATE IN THE PAST, IN THE NIGHT AT NIGHT WITH THE F W EVEN WHEN A DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, IT HAS THE HOODED LIGHTS.
I CAN SEE MUCH BETTER WHEN I AM ON AN INTERSTATE IN A CITY THAT JUST HAS THE GLARE LIGHTS.
THE GLARE IS MY EYES, AND IT'S NOT A SAFE, IN MY OPINION, IN 20, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2016.
UM, THE CITY OF KYLE ADOPTED A, UM, THE MODEL ORDINANCE, THE DARK SKY MODEL ORDINANCE.
WE MADE SOME AMENDMENTS TO IT TO MAKE IT RELEVANT TO OUR ZONING BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ZONES OF LIGHT TRESPASS.
THAT'S ALLOWABLE PER THE INTENSITY OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, SO WE, WE REQUIRE CUTOFF FIXTURES.
WE REQUIRE PHOTOMETRIC PLANS AT THE TIME OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS AND ANYTHING THAT'S DONE IN THE HIGHER ACTIVITIES, ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT GOING AND FORWARD.
I THINK YOU ONLY GET ONE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND TO DO SO AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE WAS IMPORTANT.
AND WE MIGHT CONSIDER DOWN THE ROAD.
I KNOW IT'S, YOU'RE IN YOUR SPARE TIME, SO I'M NOT PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, BUT, UM, MAYBE A PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN WHERE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT IS SO THEY COULD MAKE CHOICES ON THEIR PERSONAL HOMES.
NOT, NOT, REQUIREMENT'S JUST CHOICES, THAT KIND OF THING.
WAIT, ONE OTHER COMMENT TOO, IT'D BE PRUDENT TO HAVE AN ESCROW REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOS FOR, FOR PAYING THE LIGHTING AND UTILITY BILLS, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE TAKE AWHILE TO GET FIXED.
I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY THINK IT'S THE CITY'S FAULT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DECORATIVE POLES.
UM, THERE SHOULD BE A RESPONSE.
I, I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT NEED TO ADDRESS THE RESPONSE BY THE HOA AS TO WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING FIXED, NOT LET SOMETHING LINGER FOR AWHILE, NOT TRYING TO MAKE AN ISSUE HERE, BUT I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE.
AND I, I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS WHOSE IS IT RIGHT WHEN THE, WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF IS INSTALLED, DOES IT GET DEDICATED OVER TO THE CITY? AND I WAS GOING TO ASK, W WILL, IS, IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION ON, ON THE HARDWARE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A METRIC OR A REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT, UH, HARDWARE NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED? I KNOW THAT'S A, THAT'S A FUNCTION THAT PUBLIC WORKS ALREADY HAS NOW, BUT I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE IMPETUS.
THIS WHOLE WHOLE THING IS TO GET A, TO GET A DECISION ON WHAT WOULD BE INSTALLED.
THE CITY HAD SOUGHT TO STANDARDIZE THE ACTUAL POLES THEMSELVES AT ANY TIME THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS SEATED OVER TO THE CITY AFTER INSTALLATION.
WE DIDN'T WANT 12 DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIGHT POLES OUT THERE FOR EVERY
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DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD.CAUSE WHEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO KEEP ALL THOSE IN STOCK AND IT'S, IT'S EASIER THAN IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING IN STOCK BEFOREHAND, THAT IT ALL BE THE SAME.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVING THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL STYLE OR THEIR OWN EXPECTATION, OR BEING ABLE TO PUT THE PUNCTUATION ON THEIR OWN SUBDIVISION.
BUT IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THEN THEY'RE ALSO CHOOSING TO MAINTAIN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THEMSELVES.
SO THEY WILL KEEP THEM, AND IT IS ON THEM TO REPLACE ANYTHING THAT BREAKS OR NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED.
THE IMPETUS OF THESE REVISIONS ARE MORE TRYING TO STANDARDIZE TO GET THE NUMBER OF SPARE PARTS DOWN FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT I BELIEVE SO JUST TO, JUST, TO, TO STANDARDIZE AND STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TOO MANY INDIVIDUAL AGREEMENTS, WHEN EVERY SUBDIVISION GETS THEIR OWN ENTITLEMENT ADMINISTRATION JUST BECOMES, I WAS, I GUESS I WAS BROUGHT, I THINK THE CITY IS A, WHAT A VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THE STREETS ARE PROPERLY LIT.
AND IF AN HOA GOES THE ROUTE OF PUTTING UP THEIR OWN THINGS AND THEY TAKE FOREVER TO FIX THEM, AND IT BECOMES A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, THE CITY, I HAVE A MECHANISM OR A REALLY EASY MECHANISM TO ENFORCE THAT I GET FIXED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A FUNCTION OF CODE COMPLIANCE OR NOT, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW QUITE ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT I CAN FIND OUT OKAY.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, HOWARD.
UM, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION EARLY ON INTERNALLY BETWEEN MYSELF AND SCOTT AND JOANNE.
AND I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THE, THE CODE AMENDMENT.
I THINK THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT TO KEEP IT.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO SAY VAGUE, BUT THEY WANTED TO SAY LIKE, AS PER PUBLIC WORKS ALLOWS, I LIKE THE STANDARDIZED ONE THAT THEY HAVE.
SO I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT THOUGH.
CAUSE I THINK THEY WERE HAVING A HARD TIME PINNING DOWN.
EXACTLY WHICH ONE THEY WANTED BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE SUPPLIERS GO AWAY AND EVEN IF THEY ARE A LONGTIME SUPPLIER, SO, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? YOU KNOW WHAT, THE NEXT TIME, SO DO YOU NEED A MOTION? WILL OH, GOOD.
NO, THIS WAS JUST A TO BRING IT FORWARD.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DISCUSSION, IF EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH IT OR ANY IDEAS OR COMMENTS OR WHATEVER.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.