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[I. Call Meeting to Order]
TIME IS 7:02 PM.AND I'M GOING TO CALL THIS A REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER, BUT ALL, PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UH, NEXT STEP, UH, WOULD THE CITY SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MITCHELL HERE, COACH HERE.
RIZZO PRESENT BRADSHAW HERE TO BE HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON IS PRESENT.
SO I'M GOING TO LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT HE'S STRUGGLING TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A CORUM NEXT STEP
[II. Approval of Minutes]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE FOR, FOR SCALE, UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THE MINUTES EVER GOT UPDATED REGARDING THE VOTE WE TOOK FOR THE COSTUME.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S ACCURATE OR NOT THERE, SO.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO WATCH THE VIDEO.
I HAVE TO GO IN AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR CITY COUNCIL, SPECIAL MEETING JULY 27TH, SPECIAL MEETING JULY 31ST, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR AUGUST 3RD AND THE REGULAR MEETING ON AUGUST 3RD AS WELL, 2021 SECOND.
TOBIA SECONDED BY COUNCILOR RIZZO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[III. Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
ALL RIGHT.NEXT STEP, CITIZEN COMMENTS PERIOD.
AT THIS TIME WE ASK ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ANY ITEM TO PLEASE DO.
SO WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU DIRECT THOSE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A PUBLIC COMMENTS FORM, UM, AND SUBMIT THAT TO YOU, TO MYSELF FOR THE CITY, THE CITY SECRETARY.
UM, FIRST UP, UM, MELISSA RODRIGUEZ, SORRY.
HI, IT IS I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
UH, I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE HAYS CALDWELL WOMEN'S CENTER.
AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM 32 THAT YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, UH, WHICH IS TO CREATE A HUMAN SERVICES BOARD OR COMMISSION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ELLISON HAS PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SO JUST BRIEFLY, UM, THE WOMEN'S CENTER HAS BEEN PROVIDING DIRECT SERVICES TO VICTIMS OF ABUSE, UH, FAMILY VIOLENCE, DATING VIOLENCE, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND CHILD ABUSE.
UM, SINCE 1978, UM, WE PROVIDE, UH, FREE AND CONFIDENTIAL SERVICES, UM, TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS BY PROVIDING 24 HOUR CRISIS LINE, WE HAVE A HOSPITAL RESPONSE TEAM.
WE HAVE A, UH, EMERGENCY SHELTER, COUNSELING, ADVOCACY, CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, UM, LOTS OF DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND PREVIOUSLY, UH, WE HAD RECEIVED, UM, FUNDING THROUGH THE CITY OF KYLE.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS THAT THAT CHANGED.
UM, SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF IMPACT AS FAR AS THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE SERVING.
SO LAST YEAR, UM, DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE SERVED 2023 INDIVIDUALS AND OF THOSE 390 WERE KYLE RESIDENTS, 123 OF THOSE WERE FAMILY VIOLENCE VICTIMS. 66 WERE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND ABUSE.
UM, 261 WERE SERVED THROUGH OUR CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER ROXANNE'S HOUSE.
AND WE PROVIDED 134 FORENSIC INTERVIEWS FOR CHILDREN WHEN THERE WERE ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE.
UM, SO JUST WANT TO SUPPORT THE CREATION.
WE KNOW WE, UH, MONEY IS TIGHT, EVERYWHERE, AND WE DEFINITELY ARE FEELING THE IMPACT COVID HAS DEFINITELY HAD AN IMPACT ON OUR SERVICES.
WE ARE ALREADY SEEING AN INCREASE IN SERVICES ACROSS THE BOARD ARE SHELTERS FULL.
OUR CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER APPOINTMENTS ARE BOOKED TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE ON SOME OCCASIONS.
SO VERY BUSY AND DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND OUR TWO COUNTY SERVICE AREA.
AND FOR LISTENING TO ME TONIGHT, BIG, MIXED UP, UH, JEFF THOMPSON,
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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.I'M JEFF THOMPSON, A LEADER WITH CORRIDOR INTERFAITH ALLIANCE FOR FAMILIES I HAVE WITH ME, UH, CATHERINE WICKER THIS EVENING.
UH, WHO'S OUR CORRIDOR ORGANIZER, UH, HERE IN HAYES COUNTY.
UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE MADE TWO PRESENTATIONS ABOUT CAPITAL IDEA BEFORE HERE, BEFORE THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF THIS COUNCIL, FORMING A COMMISSION ON THE OR BOARD FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING AN EQUITABLE WAY OF DIVIDING ANY FUNDS FOR HUMAN SERVICES THAT YOU MAY CHOOSE TO ALLOCATE FOR THE SH IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN WE MADE THE PRESENTATION FOR CAPITAL IDEA, I COULD TELL THAT YOUR HEARTS WERE WITH US.
YOU KNEW THAT THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
YOU WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF THE HUMAN NEEDS AND YOU JUST NEEDED A STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FAITH TRADITIONS, ANY OF YOU MAY FOLLOW, BUT IN ALL FAITH TRADITIONS, THERE'S AN ADMONITION TO CARRY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES REPEATEDLY CALL FOR PEOPLE.
UM, THE, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO CARE FOR THE WIDOWS ORPHANS FOR THE POOR AND FOR THE STRANGERS AMONG US IN MATTHEW 25, JESUS TELLS HIS FAITHFUL FOLLOWERS THAT THOSE WHO FEED THE HUNGRY, UH, GIVE THE THIRSTY SOMETHING TO EAT OR SOMETHING TO DRINK, EXCUSE ME, WELCOME THE STRANGER CLOTHE THE NAKED VISIT.
THOSE WHO ARE SICK OR IN PRISON ARE ALSO DOING THOSE THINGS FOR HIM.
NOW, I KNOW THAT OFTEN THERE DOESN'T LOGICALLY SEEM TO BE ENOUGH DOLLARS TO MEET ALL THE NEEDS OF THIS FAST GROWING CITY, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOP THE PEOPLE OF FAITH TO MAKE DECISIONS WITH THEIR HEARTS, AS WELL AS WITH THEIR MINDS IN 47 YEARS OF MINISTRY.
I HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THAT GOD BLESSES INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, CHURCHES, AND COMMUNITIES WHO TAKE CARE OF THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED.
SO PLEASE CAREFULLY CONSIDER, UH, AS A STEP FOR MEETING HUMAN NEEDS, THE FORMING OF A BOARD OR COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF KYLE, UH, THAT WOULD FACILITATE MAKING FAIR DECISIONS ON WHERE FUTURE FUNDS MAY GO.
THANK YOU, GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR DELIBERATIONS THIS EVENING.
UH, NEXT STEP, UH, CONSUELO CASTILLO, GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, I'M CONSOLER CASTIEL, YOU'VE HEARD ME SPEAK A COUPLE OF TIMES ALREADY BEFORE, UM, AND, UH, AS A RESIDENT OF KYLE FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS, UM, I WAS PRETTY INTRIGUED, UM, FROM THE LAST MEETING TO HEAR THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS NO CURRENT PLAN OR INTENTION TO SUPPORT ANY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLAN IN PLACE.
UM, AND AT THIS MOMENT WITHOUT A PLAN AND COMMITMENT, UM, NO NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, UM, CAN RECEIVE ANY FUNDS.
AND REGARDLESS IF THIS IMPACTS CAPITAL IDEA NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY, UM, COUNTY AND ITS RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE A GREAT BENEFIT OF AN INVESTMENT, UM, IN ITS GROWTH AND NOT JUST IN THE GROWTH THAT WE CURRENTLY SEE, THAT IS GROWING WAY OUT OF OUR HANDS, BUT JUST THE GROWTH OF OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL.
UM, THESE PROGRAMS THAT NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS DON'T JUST AFFECT ONE INDIVIDUAL, BUT AFFECTS MANY ALL AROUND.
UM, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND THERE'S ACTUALLY 27 RESIDENTS HERE IN THE CITY OF KYLE THAT HAVE GRADUATED FROM THE CAPITAL IDEA AND OUR CURRENT ALUMNI.
UM, AND WE ALL HAVE GROWING, SUPPORTING SYSTEMS WITH OUR CHILDREN AND EVERYONE AROUND US.
UM, AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE AS A RESIDENT OF COLLEGE TO SEE THAT WE CONTINUE TO START SUPPORTING, UM, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND, AND YOUR AGENDA NUMBER 32 IS SEEN AS A DISCUSSIONS OF POSSIBLE ACTION OF IMPLEMENTING A PROCESS TO GRADE HUMAN SERVICES, BOARDING COMMISSION, TO REVIEW.
I REALLY HOPE THAT IT CAN GET ENOUGH COUNCILMEN BACKUP FOR IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO SEE.
UM, I LOVE THAT IT'S GROWING, IT'S GROWING REALLY FAST, BUT I WANT THE RESIDENTS TO GROW AS WELL WITH IT AND TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE AS GOOD, UH, RESIDENTS FOR THE CITY.
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NEXT UP, TRACY SHU, MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS, TRACY SHIELD FOR THE RECORD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, UH, OUR DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY SERVICES BROUGHT UP AN IDEA FOR AN ARTS COMMISSION.I WAS VERY EXCITED, VERY INTRIGUED UNTIL I SAW THE, UH, BACKUP MATERIAL FOR THIS FOR TONIGHT, UH, UNDER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS AND THE QUALIFICATIONS.
SO THERE WILL BE SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS FOR
AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING AREAS IN PROFESSIONAL FIELDS, LITERATURE, VISUAL ARTS, GRAPHIC ARTS, PLASTIC ARTS, AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT PLASTIC ARTS IS, CAUSE I HAD TO LOOK IT UP IS ANYTHING MOLDED OR SHAPED, BUT, UH, DECORATIVE ARTS ARCHITECTURE OR URBAN PLANNING AND PERFORMING ARTS.
SO AN EXPERTISE OR EXPERIENCE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT QUANTIFIES OR QUALIFIES THIS, THIS IS SUBJECTIVE.
IS IT SOMEBODY WHO IS PAID PROFESSIONALLY TO CREATE ART? OR IS IT SOMEBODY WHO WAS RAISED DOING CERAMICS UNDER THE TUTELAGE OF HER MOTHER? WHO DOES THE MOST EXPRESSIVE EYES YOU HAVE EVER SEEN? IS IT SOMEBODY WHO LOVED ART THROUGHOUT HIGH SCHOOL AND GOES TO ART MUSEUMS ALL THE TIME AND DOES KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MONET AND A MANET, BUT, UM, AND ALSO, SORRY, LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT THERE, BUT ALSO, UM, LOVES CURRENT ARTISTS SUCH AS WYLAND BONNIE AND OTHERS.
AND IS THE AUNT OF A NIECE WHO JUST GRADUATED FROM COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AS AN ACTRESS AND, UH, WATCHED ALL OF HER MUSICALS IN PLACE WHILE SHE WAS AT GEORGETOWN HIGH SCHOOL, OR AGAIN, IS IT, OR THAT PERSON, WOULD THEY BE THEN JUST ONE OF THE EX OFFICIO MEMBERS WHO CAN VOICE AN OPINION, BUT HAS NO VOTE OR SAY, SO I'D LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE EITHER QUANTIFY QUALIFY OR SOMETHING THAT STATEMENT, THE OTHER THING WAS ONE EX VISIO MEMBER SHALL BE A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHE'LL SERVE AS LIAISON BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL, NO OTHER OR COMMISSION HAS THIS MEMBER, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK SEPARATE.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL THEN COMES BACK WITH THEIR DECISION.
AND I'D LIKE FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO BE RUN THE SAME WAY.
THAT'S ALL THE CITIZEN COMMENT FORMS THAT I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ANY ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.
[5. Conduct a public hearing on the City's Proposed Budget for Fiscal Year 2021-2022, as amended by City Council on July 31, 2021, totaling approximately $172.6 million for all City Funds, including a tax rate of $0.5082 per $100 assessed valuation, a 6.0% increase in water service rates, no changes in wastewater service rates, no changes in storm drainage fees, a 2.51% increase in solid waste service charges (trash collection) per contract terms, all other fees and charges for City services as provided for in the fee schedule, capital improvement program expenditures, and the addition of 21.0 new full-time positions for a total of 302.0 full-time equivalent positions. ~ J. Scott Sellers, City Manager]
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATED TO OUR BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE.UH, I, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE C'S PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021, 2022 AS AMENDED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 31ST TOTALING, APPROXIMATELY $172.6 MILLION FOR ALL CITY FUNDS, INCLUDING A TAX RATE OF 0.508, TWO PER $100 ASSESSED VALUE, A 6% INCREASE IN WATER SERVICE RATES, NO CHANGES IN WASTEWATER SERVICE RATES, NO CHANGES IN STORM DRAINAGE FEES, 2.5, 1% INCREASE IN SOLID WASTE SERVICE CHARGES, TRASH COLLECTION, PER CONTRACT TERMS, ALL OF THEIR FEES.
UH, AND, UH, THE ADDITION OF 21 NEW FULL-TIME POSITIONS, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 302 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS.
THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S NOT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DISCUSS.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS I'M GOING TO OPEN.
THE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THE BUDGET? RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC
[6. Conduct a public hearing to obtain comments on the proposal to set the City's ad valorem tax (property tax) rate at $0.5082 per $100 assessed valuation for tax year 2021 (Fiscal Year 2021-2022). ~ J. Scott Sellers, City Manager]
AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA.ITEM, NUMBER SIX, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO OBTAIN COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSAL TO SET THE CITY'S AVALARA TAX, UH, PROPERTY TAX RATE AT 0.508, TWO
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PER $100 ASSESSED VALUATION FOR TAX YEAR, 2021.UH, THIS ITEM HAS A NICE RAP SHEET THAT I AM REQUIRED BY LAW TO READ OUT.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED IN THE CITY'S PROPOSED AVALARA TAX RATES FOR TAX YEAR 2021 FISCAL YEAR, 2021, 2022.
THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CITY'S PROPOSED AD VALOREM TAX RATES WILL BE HELD AT 7:00 PM ON AUGUST 25TH, 2021, UH, CALL CITY HALL 100 WEST CENTER STREET, UH, CITY'S AD VALOREM TAX RATES FOR, UH, TAX YEAR, 2021 ARE AS FOLLOWS THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE 0.4 9 7, 7 PER $100.
THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE 0.508, THREE PER $100.
AND THE PROPOSED TAX RATE 0.5082 PER $100.
THE KELSEY COUNCIL IS SCHEDULED TO CONSIDER A PROPOSAL TO SET THE AD VALOREM TAX RATE AT 0.5082 PER $100 OF ASSESSED VALUE, A TAXABLE VALUATION FOR TAX YEAR, 2021.
THE PROPOSED AVALARA TAX RATE OF 0.5082 PER $100 IS 0.0119, UH, OR 2.3% BELOW THE CITY'S CURRENT ADOPTED TAX RATE OF 0.5201 PER $100.
THE CITY'S PROPOSED AD VALOREM TAX RATE OF 0.508, TWO PER $100 IS ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE OF 0.4 9 7, 7 PER $100 AND BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE OF 0.508, THREE PER $100 FOR TAX YEAR, 2021 FISCAL YEAR, 2021, 2022.
THE CITY COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL IS SCHEDULED TO VOTE ON THE AD VALOREM TAX RATE, UH, LATER, UH, THIS MEETING ON FIRST READING OF CITY ORDINANCE AND ON SECOND READING OF CITY ORDINANCE AT 7:00 PM ON AUGUST 25TH, 2021, ALL KYLE TAXPAYERS RESIDENTS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INVITED TO ATTEND AND EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SCHEDULED ON THE CITY'S PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATES.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE? RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[V. City Manager's Report]
STEP, CITY MANAGERS, GOOD EVENING.MAYOR COUNCIL, SCOTT SELLERS, CITY MANAGER.
FOR THE RECORD TONIGHT, I AM GOING TO DO THE CITY MANAGER, THE PORT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
UH, I'M GOING TO CALL UP INDIVIDUAL STAFF MEMBERS WHERE THEIR ITEMS ARE DISPLAYED.
AND I THINK THEY'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ENTHUSIASM AS I'VE SHOWN IN PAST MANAGER'S REPORTS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, THE FIRST, UH, EVENT IS UP, UP AND AWAY AND PAUL FAILING OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR.
OKAY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD.
I'M PAUL FALLON DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY SERVICES.
AND JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THIS SATURDAY FROM 10 TO 1:00 PM, WE DO HAVE AN EVENT AT THE LIBRARY IT'S CALLED UP UP IN A WAY.
UM, WE'LL HAVE A COLD INFLATION OF A, UH, OF A BALLOON OUT THERE.
UH, WE'LL HAVE QUITE A FEW THINGS OUTSIDE, SOME REFRESHMENTS FOR THE KIDS, OF COURSE, AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS GOING ON, HAVE A ROCK WALL FOR THEM AND SOME DIFFERENT GAMES.
SO ALL OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GOING TO BE INSIDE, WE'VE MOVED THAT OUTSIDE.
AND THE CRAFTS THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO INSIDE WILL NOW BE OUTSIDE AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE MODIFIED THAT TO PERHAPS ALLEVIATE OR MITIGATE ANY PROBLEMS WE MIGHT HAVE WITH, UM, THE PANDEMIC.
SO, UH, JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, SO I HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE.
OH, JUST REAL QUICK, PAUL, JUST ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UH, STATIONS FOR SOME TIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IN FACT, WE HAVE THEM AT EACH DOOR RIGHT NOW.
IT IS, IS WHEN WE CAN TAKE THOSE OUT AND, AND, AND PUT THEM OUTSIDE AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF THAT.
MARIANNA, MAYBE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AM I DOING A SPRINT? WAS I PARKS RECREATION DIRECTOR.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND TOUCH ON THE THREE WE HAVE ON CITY MANAGER'S REPORT TONIGHT, WE HAVE OUR FINAL, UH, SKATE NIGHT THIS FRIDAY AT GREG CLARK PARK FROM SIX TO EIGHT 30.
LET ME CALL IT THE BACK TO SCHOOL SKATE NIGHT.
SO WE HELP ALL FAMILIES COME OUT.
IT'S A DOLLAR A PERSON TO GET IN.
YOU CAN REGISTER ONLINE IN ADVANCE OR IN PERSON WHEN YOU GET THERE.
A NEXT EVENT WE HAVE COMING UP IS OUR FINAL MARKET DAY OF THE SEASON.
SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU ALL OUT ON THAT DAY.
IT IS A DAY-LONG EVENT ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH.
UH, WE WILL HAVE ENTERTAINMENT AND VENDORS STARTED AT EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING, AND WE LAST ALL THE WAY TILL SEVEN 30 IN THE EVENING.
IT IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
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IT IS ON A SUNDAY AT GREG CLARK PARK AND IT WILL BE UNDER THE ASH PAVILION WILL BE OUR FIRST, UM, EVENT AT THE ASH PAVILION.UM, WE HAVE A GREAT LINEUP THIS YEAR.
UH, WE BROUGHT BACK SOME BANDS THAT HAVE PERFORMED AT THE SQUEEZEBOX, UH, MARKET DAY IN THE PAST.
UM, IT FEATURES ACCORDING TO MUSIC ALL DAY LONG.
SO WE'LL START THE DAY WITH REBECCA JANE OFF THE GRID BAND, GOING HOME TO THOSE PINKIES, CHRISTINE VALDEZ, THE CONCERTO CATS, AND THEN THIS PAST YEAR, UH, TO HANDLE MUSIC AWARDS, BEST NEW BAND OF THE YEAR, JARED GOMEZ AND THE
SO THAT'S ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH.
AND THEN THE FINAL ITEM I HAVE IS THE FOUNDER'S DAY PARADE.
IT IS ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 9TH.
UM, THIS THE PARK BOARD MEETING AUGUST 30TH, THE PARK BOARD WILL VOTE ON THE SHARES THEME FOR THE PARADE.
HOWEVER, REGISTRATION FOR THE PARADE IS ALREADY OPEN ONLINE.
SO YOU START GETTING THOSE IN, AND THOSE ARE MY THREE.
THE MAYOR ALREADY READ IT SO I WILL NOT BELABOR IT, BUT THE TONIGHT IS BUDGET WORKSHOP FOR, AND THEN NEXT WEEK IS OUR FINAL BUDGET WORKSHOP.
UH, THAT IS NEXT WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 25TH, AND A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING.
MARIN COUNCIL, JEFF BURNETT, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE RECORD.
UH, WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR ONE OF OUR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES.
WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE SIERRA CHAMBERLAIN.
SHE IS A SENIOR RECORDS SPECIALIST AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SHE SERVES AS A CRIME ANALYST WORKING WITHIN OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION.
SHE ASSIST THEM ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS WITH, UH, RESEARCH FOR THEIR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS.
UH, SHE RECENTLY ATTENDED A MULTI-WEEK CRIME ANALYST, UH, TRAINING HELD BY THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
IT WAS AN EIGHT MODULE COURSE.
THIS IS A VERY PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOL TO ATTEND.
UH, IN FACT, MOST OF THE ATTENDEES WORKED FOR DIRECTLY FOR THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
SHE'S BRINGING THAT KNOWLEDGE BACK.
IT WAS A FIVE WEEK INTENSIVE TRAINING PROGRAM.
IT WAS COMPLETED THIS YEAR DUE TO COVID VIRTUALLY.
SO THAT JUST ADDED TO THE COMPLEXITY OF HER TRAINING.
SHE DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT SHE'S USING TO FURTHER HER SERVICE TO THE COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND THANK Y'ALL FOR LETTING US RECOGNIZE HER PUBLICLY, BECAUSE SHE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB IN THE CLASS.
IT'S A HARD ONE TO GET INTO AND A HARD ONE TO COMPLETE.
[8. Update on railroad siding relocation and overpass. ~ Maria Castanon, HNTB]
NEXT UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UPDATE ON RAIL SIDING, RELOCATION AND OVERPASS.I'M WITH H AND D CORPORATION, AND I SERVE AS A HAZE COUNTY GEC PROGRAM MANAGER, AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU A BRIEFING ON THE CAL SIDING AND COLOR'S CROSSINGS PROJECT.
UH, WITH ME TONIGHT, IT'S ALSO OUR DEPUTY PROGRAM MANAGER.
WHO'S ALSO THE DIRECT PROJECT COORDINATOR FOR THIS PROJECT.
VIRTUALLY WITH US IS TYSON MUELLER AND OUR GALA SPINOZA FROM UPP.
THERE'LL BE REAL AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, MAY HAVE AS WELL.
AND LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, HAYES COUNTY COMMISSIONER PRECINCT.
TWO MARTIN JONES IS ALSO HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
SO BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE COLLIS CENTER, UM, SIDING PROJECT, I'D LIKE TO GIVE JUST A QUICK BRIEF HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, THIS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED FOR FUNDING BY THE CITY OF KYLE IN 2018 AS A RESULT OF A CAMPO PROGRAM CALL AND IT WAS SELECTED.
AND ALSO TAGLIT LARGELY BECAUSE OF ITS SIGNIFICANT OPERATIONAL AND SAFETY BENEFITS THAT IT BRINGS THAT IT BRINGS TO THE AREA SHORTLY THEREAFTER, A REQUEST WAS MADE TO HAVE THAT THE COUNTY DIRECTLY MANAGE THIS PROJECT FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY.
UM, IN SHORT, WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO IS IT'LL SHIFT A SIDING THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE OF US, NORTHWARD START NORTH OF BURLINGTON STREET.
AND THEN A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF KOHLER'S CROSSING IT'LL MAKE FOR A MUCH SAFER DRIVING.
SO I MENTIONED THE PROJECT IS FULLY FUNDED.
IT RECEIVED $15.2 MILLION AND ALL FEDERAL DOLLARS FROM CAMPO AND THAT'LL PAY FOR, UH, DESIGN, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND ALSO FOR ANY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION THAT MAY BE NEEDED.
UH, THE DESIGN IS 90% COMPLETE AT THIS POINT.
IT'S BEING MANAGED BY UPS DIRECTLY.
UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS ARE CURRENTLY AT TXDOT, UH, UNDERGOING AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
UH, WE HAVE JUST WRAPPED UP A PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PROCESS FOR ELIZABETH NOTE, NOTICE OF OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT TO THE PATIENT LANDOWNERS THAT RE-UPPED AT WRAPPED UP AT THE END OF JULY AND UTILITY COORDINATION IS ALSO UNDERWAY, WHICH IS ALSO BEING HEADED UP BY BY UPS.
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SO THIS IS WHAT THE CROSS-SECTION WILL LOOK LIKE ONCE THE KYLE SIGNING THE SIDING IS BUILT.UH, THE, IN RED IS THE EXISTING TRACKS.
THE SIDING IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT WEST OF THE EXISTING TRACKS.
IT'LL BE, UH, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER OF THE SIDING TRACKS, IT'LL BE ABOUT 24 FEET CENTER TO CENTER FROM, FROM THE EXISTING, FROM THE EXISTING TRACKS ONE POINT, OKAY.
UH, SO THE NEW SITE WE'LL START, LIKE I SAID, JUST NORTH OF BURLESON.
AND THIS IS NEAR CREEK SIDE VILLAGE, UH, AT THIS PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, THERE WAS NO RAT RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED TO BE TAKEN.
HOWEVER, A CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WILL BE NEEDED IN ORDER FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK ON DECIDING WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THERE WILL NEED TO BE SOME FENCE REMOVALS FROM SOME OF MY JASON PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ONCE ALL THE WORK IS COMPLETE, ALL THAT WILL BE REPLACED IN A BRAND NEW, UH, BY THE CONTRACTOR AND RESTORED TO WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL STATE WAS OR BETTER.
UM, I'M JUST NOT DOING ENOUGH OF THAT.
ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, UH, NO RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION WILL BE NEEDED.
UH, WITHIN THIS PART, THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE PROJECT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT AROUND QUARTER'S CROSSING, UH, THERE WILL BE SOME RIGHT-AWAY NEEDED AT THIS POINT.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACK.
THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT AWAY EQUITATION WOULD BE FROM ACC AND FROM A DEVELOPER PROPERTY, JUST NORTH OF COOLERS CROSSING, UH, BOTH OF THE REC PROPOSED RIGHT ACQUISITIONS, WHERE RIGHT NOW WE'RE AN UNDEVELOPED, UH, PROPERTY THAT WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE SOME SLIVERS FROM SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CLAIRE'S CROSSING JUST EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AS WELL.
I NOTICED THAT I MENTIONED THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PROCESS FOR THE COLISEUM PROJECT.
UH, THESE LETTERS WERE MAILED TO ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN, IN JULY, AND WE RECEIVED, UH, SEVERAL COMMENTS, THE SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT MAINLY CENTERED AROUND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE GRANTED TO POLICE AND EMS IN ORDER TO GET TO EMERGENCIES AND NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WITH A BLOCK TRAIN TRACKS ACROSS CENTER STREET AND ACROSS BURLINGTON.
IT ALSO IS GOING TO LEAVE A CONGESTION AND THAT DOWNTOWN CALC SIGNIFICANTLY, THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED UP TO NOW, UH, HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE NOISE OF TREES ARE REMOVED, UH, THE TRAIN VIBRATION THAT MAY AFFECT SOME HOMES.
AND THERE IS CONCERN BY THE CITIZENS OF POTENTIAL, UH, DIMINISHING OF, OF, UH, HOUSE VALUES AS A RESULT OF THE SIDING PROJECT.
THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE TO OBTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVAL FROM TXDOT.
WE ANTICIPATE THIS HAPPENING IN THE FALL.
ONCE ENVIRONMENTAL APPROVAL IS OBTAINED AT THAT POINT RIGHT AWAY, NEGOTIATIONS AND ACQUISITIONS CAN BEGIN.
THAT'LL BE HEADED UP BY UPP UTILITY RELOCATIONS CAN BEGIN.
THAT'S ALSO BE MANAGED BY IUPY.
WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN IN EARLY 20, 23.
HOWEVER, THOSE FIRST TWO THINGS HAPPEN A LITTLE QUICKER.
Y'ALL COULD SEE CONSTRUCTION START A LITTLE SOONER THAN THAT.
COLDEST CROSSING, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OF DUE TO THE FUNDING PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY, THE SCHEMATIC, UH, AND IN DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES HAVE BEEN FULLY FUNDED BY THE COUNTY, OR THEY'RE ALMOST COMPLETE TO THIS POINT, BUT THE DRAFT HAS BEEN PREPARED OF THIS SCHEMATIC, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS ARE AT TXDOT FOR REVIEW, AS WE SPEAK.
UH, WE DID GET A RECENT REQUEST FROM THE CITY, UH, TO CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL OF WIDENING THE SIDEWALK THAT'S BEEN TO, TO BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM ITS CURRENT EIGHT FEET TO ABOUT 12 FEET, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE POTENTIAL GOLF CART USE FOR THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S BEING PUT IN, UH, BY THE CITY THAT, UH, IS BEING ANALYZED RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THE POTENTIAL COST IMPACTS WOULD BE FROM BOTH THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT.
WE EXPECT THAT ANALYSIS TO BE DONE HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
THE EXISTING TYPICAL SECTION OF COLORS AS Y'ALL KNOW, IS TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, UH, WITH A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, AND THE CROSSING AT, AT THE UPP IS AT GRADE WITH LIGHTS AND GATES AT ON EACH SIDE ON EACH APPROACH.
AT THIS TIME, THE PROPOSED TYPICAL SECTION WILL STILL MAINTAIN THE TWO THROUGH LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, HAVE A CENTER MEDIAN, UH, KEY DIFFERENCE AT THAT IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION, THERE WILL BE A NEW PROTECTED LEFT TURN BAY BUILT.
THAT'LL GET FOLKS INTO ACC AND GET THEM OUT OF THE WAY OF OTHER WAY OF THROUGH TRAFFIC UNDER STRUCTURE ITSELF.
THE FOUR LANES WILL CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED.
THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITION OF SOME, SOME, UH, SOME SHOULDERS ON, ON EACH SIDE.
AND AS I MENTIONED CURRENTLY, THIS SCHEMATIC HAS THAT EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK THAT WE'RE ANALYZING FOR THAT POTENTIAL, UH, ACCOMMODATION FOR GOLF CARTS AS WELL.
THIS IS A DOPE PUT THE SCHEMATIC LOOKS LIKE, UH, THE, THE PURPLE THAT YOU SEE HERE IS ACTUAL ROADWAY.
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THE ORANGE IS WHERE THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE WOULD ACTUALLY BEGIN.UH, HERE'S WHERE YOU SEE THE LEFT TURN BAY.
I JUST MENTIONED THAT WE'LL BE GOING INTO THE ACC TRACK.
THAT'S JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON THE BOTTOM IS OF THIS PICTURE HAD TO GO MORE TOWARD THE EAST.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE STRUCTURE EXTENDS A LITTLE FURTHER THAN IT DOES GOING TOWARD THE WEST THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE A U-TURN MOVEMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE BOOKS, FOLKS COMING OUT OF THE, UH, PSE SUBSTATION, SO THAT IF THEY WANT TO GO BACK IN THE EASTERN DIRECTION, UH, THEY CAN MAKE A SAFE MANEUVER GOING BACK TOWARD A U-TURN AND COME BACK TOWARD TOWARD THE EAST.
THERE IS NO PROPOSED AT GRADE CROSSING, CONTINUING TO GO WEST.
UH, AT THIS POINT AT THE UPS TRACKS, AS FAR AS PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, WE HOLD A VIRTUAL TOWN HALL MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT IN OCTOBER OF 20, UH, THE SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT CENTERED MAINLY AROUND THE NEEDED THAT IT WAS NEEDED DUE TO REGIONAL POPULATION INCREASES.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION IMPACT ON LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THE ACC CAMPUS, UH, AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IMPACT ON INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES AND THE OVERALL COST AND NEED FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, BUT, UH, BUT AS I MENTIONED, UH, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A VERY GOOD, UH, ATTRACTIVE PROJECT AT CAMPO AT ITS NEXT PROGRAM CALLED.
AND THOSE WERE THE NEXT STEPS.
THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS TO IDENTIFY THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE DESIGN, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
WE THINK THE PROJECT WILL COST SOMEWHERE IN THE $15 MILLION RANGE, UH, AND THE DESIGN SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE SOUTH OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE, IN OUR OPINION, THIS PROJECT VERY ATTRACTIVE IS THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SAME OPERATIONAL AND SAFETY BENEFITS THAT MOVE INTO THE SIDING AWAY FROM CENTER STREET.
WE'LL HAVE, YOU WON'T HAVE THOSE PARK TRAINS GOING ACROSS CODERS AND PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO STOP AS, OR AS, AS THE USB IS MAKING THEIR SWITCHING MANEUVERS.
UH, IT'LL OFTEN OBVIOUSLY HELP, UH, OPERATIONS AS WELL, UH, AND EMS AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE, UM, THAT ALONG WITH THE PROJECT READINESS, THE FACT THAT WE'RE GETTING THE SCHEMATIC DONE NOW THAT WE'RE DOING PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.
NOW CAMPBELL LIKES TO SEE PROJECTS THAT ARE CLOSE TO SHOVEL-READY.
THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE READINESS SCORE OF THIS PROJECT, UH, ALONG WITH THE SIGNIFICANT LOCAL DOLLARS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT IN TO GET THE PROJECT TO THIS POINT, WE'LL SEND THIS SCHEMATIC TO UPS FOR REVIEW AFTER IT'S DONE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA PAINT A BARBELL CLEANERS FROM TXDOT ANTICIPATED TO BE IN THE FALL.
AND AFTER THAT ENVIRONMENTAL TRAINER'S HAS DONE, THEN, UH, RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION CAN BE GOOD.
YEAH, THAT'S A QUICK BRIEFING.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, AND SO IT'S TYSON AND I GET IT.
KESLER IS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
UM, DID WE DO A STUDY ON THE LENGTH OF TRAINS? I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE.
SOME TRAINS ARE REALLY, REALLY LONG WITH A BACK ENGINE.
DID WE DO A STUDY ON THAT WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THIS, UH, INTERCHANGE, UH, I'LL REFER TO TYSON AND RAQUEL FOR THE ANSWER.
HOWEVER, THIS SIDING PROJECT IS 13,000 FEET LONG, WHICH CURRENTLY MEETS, UH, THE UPC STANDARDS FOR SIDING LENGTH, BUT I'LL ASK TYSON TO CHIME IN ON THAT.
CAN I DO A QUICK SOUND CHECK? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY.
THIS IS MORE IN GENERAL DIRECTOR FOR NETWORK DEVELOPMENT FOR YOU.
SO THEN WHAT DO YOU P FOR ABOUT 26 YEARS THEN WITH THIS PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING? UM, AS FAR AS THE TRAIN SIZES THAT GO THROUGH HERE? YES, THE SIGHTING LANE IS APPROVED.
UM, THERE WAS A POTENTIAL THAT YOU MIGHT EXTEND THAT OVERALL LINK, BUT THAT'LL BE BASED OFF OF THE, THE OVERALL TRENDS THAT WE SEE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE HAD RUN THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR, BUT WE APPROVED IT AT LIKE A 10,000 FOOT LENGTH UP THROUGH HERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAD APPROVED BACK IN 2017 WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THIS ORIGINALLY, I GUESS MY CONCERN WAS THAT IF WE HAD A TRAIN THAT'S REAL LONG, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE BACKED UP HERE IN DOWNTOWN KYLE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE SOME TRAINS ARE REALLY LONG.
AND I THINK I'VE AT TWO YEARS OLD, I'VE WAITED ALL THOSE TREES, THOSE TRAINS LONG ENOUGH.
SO PART OF THE SIDING LINK THERE, UM, PART OF THE REASON WE'RE COOPERATIVE WE'RE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IS WE CAME UP WITH THE KOHLER'S CROSS OR CROSSING OVER PATH, RIGHT? SO THAT FULLER'S CROSSING IS NOT BLOCKED.
I'M ALSO PART OF THE CITY'S REQUEST WAS TO LOCATE THE SIGHTINGS NORTH OR ALLSTON.
UM, SO THAT WE HAD, SO WE WEREN'T BROUGHT BLOCKING PERLSON AS PART OF THAT SIDING PROJECT THERE.
WE DON'T WANNA JUST KICK THIS PROBLEM, THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD THERE.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE WITH THE ACTUAL TRAIN LENGTHS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY ON THE FRONT END, RIGHT? AS FAR AS PLANNING WHERE THE ACCURATE PROCESSES ARE.
SO YOU WON'T HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN TRIAL TODAY, RIGHT? WHERE YOU HAVE TWO AT GRADE CROSSINGS AND WE PULL A TRAIN IN, IN SOCIETY AND THERE WILL BE PULLED TRAIN IN SOCIETY.
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THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ACCURATE PROBLEMS. THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT YOU EVEN WERE PROACTIVE, PROACTIVE ON, UH, DRESSING BURLESON AS GREAT.AND FOR THOSE OF YOU, I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON THE WORD HISTORY AND THIS ISN'T GOING TO RACE ANY HISTORY IN KYLE.
WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE TRAIN DOWN TO KYLE.
WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT BIG ROADBLOCK THERE ANYMORE.
SO I, I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE THAT SEE THE TRAIN AS PART OF KYLE, THE HISTORY, THE TRAIN'S STILL GOING TO BE, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO COME THROUGH TO KYLE.
WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BIG ROADBLOCK THERE.
AND I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
GETTING PEOPLE IN AND OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD WAS THE PUBLIC SAFETY, GETTING TO, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, GETTING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO, UH, DIFFERENT ACCIDENTS SCENES, OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING GOING ON IN THE CITY.
AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO ALLEVIATE THAT AND HELP A LOT WITH THAT CONCERN.
OTHER QUESTIONS, CATHERINE BRADSHAW, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I DEFINITELY SEE THE BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT, BUT I SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED HERE.
AND WE ACTUALLY PREVIOUSLY HAD A RESIDENT BRING FORWARD A PETITION FROM CREEKSIDE, UM, BECAUSE AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THAT IS GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THE, THE, THEIR YARDS A LOT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT JOHN ATKINS, I THINK, WAS THE NAME OF THE STREET.
UM, BUT THEIR BACKYARDS BASICALLY BACK UP TO THE TRAIN TRACKS AND SINCE YOU'RE DEVELOPING OR YOU'RE BUILDING AND EXPANDING ON THE WEST SIDE, WHAT CAN BE DONE AS FAR AS SOUND, AS FAR AS SAFETY GOES, WHAT CAN WE PUT UP SOME SORT OF BARRIER THAT'S GOING TO HELP ALLEVIATE THOSE CONCERNS? SO THE SHORT ANSWER TO THAT IS YES.
AND I'LL ASK TYSON TO CHIME IN ON THIS, BUT UPS POSITION ON THAT IS THAT IF THERE IS A SOUND BARRIER PUT UP, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE UV RIGHT AWAY.
AND IT'D HAVE TO BE AT THE COST OF THE LOCALS FOR THAT.
BUT TYSON, UH, PLEASE CHIME IN.
SO THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR, QP OWNS AND OPERATES ON A A HUNDRED FOOT, RIGHT THE WAY THERE.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN THERE PROBABLY SINCE THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
UH, SO FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, IF THERE, IF THIS WERE NOT TO BE A CITY OR COUNTY PROJECT, IF WE WERE TO BUILD CAPACITY TOMORROW, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BUILD AT OUR, AT OUR DISCRETION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS HEAVILY FUNDED AND GOING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY THAT DOES IS OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND SO IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES THAT COUNTY OR THE CITY YOU WANT TO CONSIDER AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM, AS FAR AS THOSE FUTURE PROJECTS THERE.
AND AS FAR AS THE BACKYARDS AND THE FENCES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TORN DOWN AND REPLACED, ARE YOU GOING TO DO ANY SORT OF ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION TO THOSE RESIDENTS UP CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WOULD BE NEEDED? UH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ADDITION, THE ONLY COMPENSATION THAT IT'D BE REPLACED IN, UH, IN A BETTER, IN A BETTER STATE THAN IT WAS BEFORE, IT'D BE A NEW, BASICALLY NEW FENCES IN ANY, UH, CONSTRUCTION DAMAGE WOULD BE REPAIRED BY THE CONTRACTOR.
MY QUESTION IS, IS IT RELATES TO THE FUNDING FOR THE TWO PROJECTS BEING SEPARATE.
WE HAVE FUNDING FOR THE SIDING RELOCATION, WHICH CUTS ACROSS COLORS, BUT THE SECOND PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNFUNDED.
SO, UH, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AND WHY WE'RE MOVING THAT DIRECTION, BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT THE SCENARIO TO HAPPEN WHERE THE SIDING GETS RELOCATED AND PUNCHES OUT ACROSS COLORS, BUT THEN THE GRADE SEPARATION AND KOHLER'S FALLS THROUGH.
AND NOW WE'RE BLOCKING KOHLER'S THREE QUESTIONS.
AND TYSON MENTIONED THIS ALSO, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS BEFORE WE GET, DID THEY START THE CONSTRUCTION? WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, STRONG COMMITMENT ABOUT THE BRIDGE ART, CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO KICK IT DOWN.
THEN WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE IT.
UH, YOU AND I BOTH HAVE A VOTE ON THIS.
SO, UH, BUT TALKING WITH ASHBY AND OUR CAMPO STAFF, UH, THIS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN ALREADY FUNDED IF IT WASN'T FOR THE DEFERMENTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE PUT 377 MILLION DEFERMENTS TO DO IMPROVEMENTS ON 35.
SO ONCE THAT GETS TAKEN OFF THE BOOKS, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE TOP TWO OR THREE RANKING PROJECTS IN THE REGION.
SO I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT FUNDING ON THIS ONE.
THAT SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD TO ME.
WELL, YEAH, BUT I, I BRING IT UP JUST TO MAKE SURE, CAUSE WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THAT THE SECOND PIECE IS NOT FUNDED.
NOT THAT WE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MOVING TOWARDS A SCENARIO WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE FUNDED.
AND THEN WE STILL WENT THROUGH ABOVE RATE HAS TO BE PRETTY WELL ALONG BEFORE WE CAN EVEN START CONSTRUCTION.
AND UH, I CAN'T PASS THIS UP, BUT WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR Y'ALL TO COME OUT, I SPENT THE TIME TRYING TO GUESS WHAT KIND OF HAIRSTYLE THE CITY MANAGER CAME OUT.
I FIGURED YOU WOULD SAY, OH, YOU'RE WELCOME.
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COMMANDER ERIC, JUST TO RECONFIRM WHAT MARK JUST SAID STATED THERE WE'VE BEEN IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE NPO, AS FAR AS, UM, THERE IS NO TIMELINE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT NEEDS TO BE WELL COORDINATED WITH THE FUNDING OF KOHLERS CROSSING.UM, THERE, SO WE'VE BEEN IN DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH ASHBY MPO AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CUSTOMER ELLISON.
UH, SO, UH, ONE, I WANT TO THANK, UH, THE PRESENTERS FOR COMING.
I, I WAS WANTING TO REACH OUT TO SEE MANAGER SELLERS TO REQUEST THIS ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, THREE COLLEAGUES, UH, ON THE DAYAS THAT WEREN'T AROUND WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO FRUITION AND CAME ABOUT.
AND CERTAINLY I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST YEAR WAS ON COUNCIL AND, AND GETTING THINGS KIND OF SET IN YOUR LAP AND NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE.
SO I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND GETTING ALL OF, ALL OF, UH, ALL THE DYESS CAUGHT UP TO SPEED ON THIS, AS WELL AS Y'ALL PROBABLY HAVE WATCHED SOME PREVIOUS MEETINGS OR JUST HAD AN INKLING THAT I LIKE TO GET THE PRESENTATIONS AND YOU SENT THAT AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, SO I THINK YOU'VE MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR CUT AND DRY ON WHAT THIS IS.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE MIRROR, UH, HAMMERING DOWN ON THE POINT.
HE JUST MADE ABOUT THE SECOND PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S IN OUR HANDS THAT, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE, UM, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS ULTIMATELY AS THEY, THEY DIDN'T LEAVE ANY, ANY DOUBT ABOUT THIS.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO FIND IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP ANY KIND OF BARRIER OR, UH, LANDSCAPING AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT, UH, WOULD ALL BE ON THE CITY.
BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND COMING HERE TODAY, TODAY.
MARIN COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, SELLERS FOR THE RECORD, AND I DON'T HAVE A QUICK RETORT FOR COMMISSIONER JONES, SO I WON'T EVEN TRY, UH, JUST WAIT UNTIL NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, THE, THE CITY TRAIL SYSTEM, UH, DOES GO ALONG COLORS, CROSSING THROUGH THIS AREA AND IT WILL FOLLOW THE OVERPASS.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH H AND TB TO LOOK AT, UH, POSSIBLY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK ALONG THE BRIDGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAIL SEGMENT, UH, RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THERE IS REALLY TIGHT.
AND RIGHT NOW THE DESIGN SHOWS A KIND OF A NARROWER SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO ON THE ACC SIDE, MOVING DOWN, THE ISSUE WITH THAT LOCATION IS IT HAS MULTIPLE ACCESS CROSSINGS FROM ACC, UH, ENF RSI, AND FURTHER DOWN, UH, WITH MARKETPLACE, ET CETERA.
SO OUR INTENTION WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET THE, THE PATH TO BE MOVED TO THE NORTH SIDE.
PERHAPS IT'S NOT A FULL 12 FOOT SEGMENT BY EIGHT FOOT SEGMENT.
WE'RE WORKING TO, TO LOOK AT WHAT THE COST IS TO SHIFT THAT IN THE DESIGN.
WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD LATER THIS MONTH OR NEXT MONTH.
ANYONE ELSE, MICHELLE? I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR COMING COMMISSIONER.
IT WAS WORTH IT FOR THE JOKE YOU OWE ME ONE.
[9. Uber Kyle 3.14 program update. ~ Jerry Hendrix, Chief of Staff]
ALL RIGHT.NEXT UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, UBER CAL THREE 14 PROGRAM UPDATE MR. JERRY HENDRIX, MAYOR COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, JERRY HENDRICKS, CHIEF OF STAFF.
I'VE BEEN ASKED TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO GUIDE AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR UBER KYLE 3 1 4 PROGRAM.
AND I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD HAS BEEN A GREAT SUCCESS.
AS SOON AS MY SIDESHOW COMES UP, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET INTO THAT.
JUST GET YOU REMINDED ABOUT WHY CA UBER THREE AND FOUR IS, IS IT'S, UH, WHERE WE, UH, PARTNER WITH UBER TO COME IN AND PROVIDE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SERVICES FOR ANYBODY IN, IN KYLE.
YOU CAN GO FROM ANYWHERE IN KYLE TO ANYWHERE IN KYLE ON AN UBER.
THE PRESIDENT PAYS, THE RIDER PAYS THE FIRST $3 AND 14 CENTS, AND THE CITY PICKS UP UP TO THE NEXT 10.
AND THIS IS IN PLACE OF ANY KIND OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD CONTRACT WITH CAPITAL METRO PER SE, TO COME IN AND DO BUS SERVICE AND THE ADVANTAGES.
IT IS POINT TO POINT IT'S 24 7 AND IT'S ON DEMAND AND I'M NOT SEEING MY SLIDESHOW.
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OKAY.I'VE ALREADY KIND OF GONE OVER WHAT THE PROGRAM IS JUST TO GET INTO THE MEAT OF IT.
WE KEEP A MONTHLY STATS ON OUR PROGRAM.
YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST MONTH WAS OUR RECORD MONTH.
EVERYBODY WAS KICKING THE TIRES.
WE DID 185 VOUCHERS AND 162 RIDES THAT YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S KIND OF DROPPED OFF A LITTLE BIT PARALLEL TO THAT COVID HAS DONE TO LOCK PEOPLE DOWN, BUT YOU COULD ALSO SEE THE IN APRIL, AS PEOPLE GOT OUT MORE, YOU CAN SEE THOSE RIDES REALLY STARTING TO TICK UP AND THE VOUCHERS START TO TICK UP.
UM, I SHOW YOU LATER AT SOME OF THE INFORMATION I HAVE AVAILABLE TO ME, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH REAL TIME, BUT THIS MONTH WE'RE ON TRACK TO BREAK, UM, TO GO OVER 300 RIDE THRESHOLD FOR OUR UBER PROGRAM, AS WELL AS REALLY PUSHED THE NUMBER OF VOUCHERS DOWNLOADED.
I WANT TO BE, UH, ALSO POINT OUT TO THE COST AFTER THE RIDER PAYS THEIR FIRST $3 AND 14 CENTS.
THE CITY'S PORTION OF THAT WEEK ON AVERAGE CONTRIBUTE TO RIDES JUST OVER SEVEN BUCKS.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DOING CARTS, FOR EXAMPLE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DID THE MATH, THAT COST PER RIDE COULD BE IN THE $90 RANGE.
SO WE'VE REALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT IS COST EFFECTIVE AND, AND, UM, AND MEET HORRIBLE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE DASHBOARDS THAT I, THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO 24 7, AND THIS IS REAL TIME DATA.
IF, UM, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO DOWNLOAD A VOUCHER WHILE I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AND I REFRESH THE PAGE, IT WOULD SHOW UP ON THAT.
SO, AND THIS WAS AS OF A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, THIS MONTH WE HAD DOWNLOADED 63 DOUBT VOUCHERS DOWNLOADED 129 RIDES.
AND I CHECKED IT A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
SO JUST TREMENDOUS RESPONSE TO THE PROGRAM.
THIS IS AN INTERESTING DASHBOARD BECAUSE IT SHOWS, UM, THE ORIGIN OF ALL THE RIDES THAT, THAT ARE HAILED FROM OUR RUBRIC, KYLE 3 1 4 PROGRAM.
AND YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THE DARKER HEXAGONS, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S CALLED CITY HALL.
SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING FROM KYLE CITY HALL.
AND UP HERE IS OUR RETAIL SHOPPING DISTRICT.
AND THESE ARE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND RESIDENCES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE HAVING RIDERSHIP FROM ALL OVER THE CITY AND THE RIDERS ARE GOING TO THE PLACES WE WANTED THEM TO GO, WHICH IS CALLED CITY HALL TO INTERACT WITH OUR GOVERNMENT AND, AND OUR SHOPPING CENTERS.
I CAN CLICK ON THAT DOT KYLE CITY HALL AT IT TO SHOW ME WHERE EVERYBODY CAME FROM.
AND EVERYBODY WENT TO AFTER REGARDING CALL CITY HALL.
AND YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO CALL CITY HALL FROM ALL OVER THE CITY.
AND I COULD GO TO ANY OF THOSE EXTRA GUNS ANYWHERE ON THAT MAP AND GET THAT SAME KIND OF INFORMATION.
AND THIS IS FROM THE BEGINNING, BY THE WAY, THIS IS FROM THE TIME WE STARTED THE PROGRAM IN OCTOBER TO JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
SO THE, THE GOALS THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED WITH OUR KYLE UBER 3 1 4 PROGRAM IS IT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYONE IN KYLE, WHERE THEY LIVE OR NOT.
IT'S AVAILABLE 24 7, ANYTIME ANY DAY IT'S MADE HONORABLE.
WE ONLY GET CHARGED FOR THE PROGRAM AS IT'S USED.
WE DON'T PAY FOR EXCESS CAPACITY.
WE DON'T PAY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE ACTUAL RIDE.
IF NOBODY RIDES IT, WE DON'T GET CHARGED ANYTHING.
IF LOTS OF PEOPLE RIDE IT, THEN WE GET TO PROVIDE VERY COST EFFECTIVE RIDES, ANYBODY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE PROGRAM, IT'S SCALABLE.
AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE TO SCALE UP THE PROGRAM IN THE, IN THE COMING MONTHS AND WITH THE NEXT BUDGET IT'S AFFORDABLE, YOU CAN'T BEAT THE PRICE FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
UBER TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING.
THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS RIDER DEMAND.
NOW THAT WE'RE PULLING SO MANY RIDES FROM KYLE, BEING ABLE TO KEEP RIDERS HERE IS A CHALLENGE WE'VE SAW THE WAIT TIME GO UP TO AS HIGH AS 16 OR 17 MINUTES.
IT'S COME BACK DOWN TO 14 IS A REALLY PUSHED NET.
WE'RE TALKING WITH UBER ABOUT DOING SOME INSTEAD OF PROGRAMS WITH THE DRIVERS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM IN KYLE AND BRING THAT THAT WAIT TIME DOWN AND WITH BRINGING THE WAIT TIME DOWN, WE HOPE TO MAKE THE PROGRAM EVEN MORE AMENABLE TO MORE PEOPLE, UM, RIDE SCHEDULING.
UM, SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENT INTO DANCE.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH UBER SINCE DAY ONE ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON OUR RADAR AND TECHNOLOGY IS THE OTHER ISSUE.
IT KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THAT IS NET, THAT EVERYBODY HAS A SMARTPHONE.
AND RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SMARTPHONE ACCESS TO THE PLATFORM.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WORK AROUND THAT.
I GET VERY FEW CALLS COMPLAINING
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ABOUT THESE CHALLENGES THAT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE.SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING, WORKING THROUGH THEM LOTS NEXT, WE'VE ALREADY EXPANDED THE AREA INTO OUR ETJ.
THIS IS THE MAP THAT SHOWS THAT AREA.
WE NOW INCLUDE ALL OF OUR MUDS AND OUR PIDS.
WE'VE ACTUALLY EXPANDED DOWN INTO BLANCO VISTA BECAUSE WE KNOW A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE UTILIZE OUR GOODS AND SERVICES AND, AND, UH, SOME OF THE NORTHERN NEIGHBORHOODS FROM BUDA, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY, OUR GOODS AND SERVICES.
SO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG KEY THINGS FOR THIS PROGRAM IS WE WANTED TO MAKE ACCESS TO OUR HOSPITALS, OUR SHOPPING CENTERS, OUR CITY HALL, OUR GOVERNMENT, OUR PARKS, AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR CAR.
YOU CAN GET THERE VERY CONVENIENTLY AND AFFORDABLY.
WE'RE ALSO ROLLING OUT AIRPORT RIDES.
UM, I'VE ASKED MANY OF YOU TO, TO HELP ME TEST THAT.
SO THE WAY THAT WOULD WORK IS EVERYBODY IN KYLE GETS ONE RIDE A MONTH.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO, TO THE AIRPORT, YOU CAN USE ANY OF THE DIFFERENT UBER VEHICLES, BECAUSE WE KNOW IF YOU WANT TO BRING YOUR FAMILY AGAIN, I NEED A BIGGER VEHICLE.
THE RIDER, THE FAMILY WOULD PAY 31.4% OF THE RIDE, WHICH WAS A CHALLENGE.
THEY NEVER HAD TO DO THAT KIND OF INCREMENTAL PERCENTAGES BEFORE.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HOPE TO ROLL OUT WITH, UH, NEXT YEAR IN THE BUDGET.
AND IT COULD BE AVAILABLE AS EARLY AS NEXT MONTH.
UM, ALSO FOR RIDES TO THE VA CLINIC, YOU KNOW, I DON'T GET A LOT OF CALLS, BUT I DO GET CALLS FROM, FROM OUR VETERANS WHO NEED TO GET TO THE AUSTIN VA CLINIC WITH A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION.
WE DON'T HAVE A BUS SYSTEM TO GET THEM THERE.
SO THIS WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO OUR VETERANS AND THEY WOULD PAY $3 AND 14 CENTS ONCE A MONTH TO GET TO THE VA CLINIC IN AUSTIN.
AND THAT GOES WITH THE MISSION TO BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDE CHALLENGED OR RIDE DEPENDENT, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO VERY IMPORTANT DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU, JERRY, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, YOU, UH, NAILED IT ON THE AIRPORT ON, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THAT THEY CAUSE FLORES KALE.
AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO.
UH, I'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA POSTINGS, UH, PEOPLE REQUESTING RIGHTS TO THE AIRPORT, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE NEXT BIGGEST, UH, PUSH THAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO SEE.
DO WE SEE ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF SPECIALS LIKE DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO TRAVEL OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, KYLE TO THE AIRPORT, UM, THIS PROGRAM WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED THE VOUCHER, WE'RE TESTING IT RIGHT NOW COULD BE AVAILABLE IN SEPTEMBER.
SO THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST HAVE THAT ONE TIME, A TRIP TO THE AIRPORT AND IT'D BE ABLE TO HELP THEM OUT ON THAT.
I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO BUMP RIGHTS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
I MEAN, LOOK, MY SON HAS A LOT OF FRIENDS AND HE'S ALWAYS GOING TO THE AIRPORT AROUND THAT TIME OF THE YEAR, THINK A LOT OF HIS FRIENDS.
SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT WE CAN REALLY HELP THE RESIDENTS, WELL, THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN UP THAT VOUCHER, BUT THEY'VE PULLED IT OFF NOW.
AND AFTER WE TESTED A COUPLE OF TIMES, IF THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT, WE CAN MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY.
IT'S A ROUND TRIP TO THE AIRPORT AND BACK, CORRECT.
UM, YOU CAN EITHER GO FROM HERE TO THE AIRPORT AND BACK, OR I'VE ASKED THEM TO MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU COULD GO FROM AIRPORT TO HERE.
SO PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO KYLE ON BUSINESS OR, OR JUST TO VISIT FAMILY.
THEY CAN ACCESS THE TRIP FROM THE AIRPORT AND COME HERE FIRST.
UM, I KNOW THAT, I THINK THE, THE VA IS A GREAT, UH, PROGRAM ADD ON AS WELL AS THE AIRPORT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THE RIDES THEMSELVES.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LIMITED AT EIGHT RIDES PER MONTH.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GO UP TO 10.
AND ONE REASON IS THAT I'VE HAD SOME CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT TO ME THAT ONCE THEY GO TO THE DOCTOR, THEY GO TO GROCERIES.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO GROCERIES ONCE A WEEK, THAT'S ALREADY YOUR EIGHT RIDES, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS AN EXPANSION I FORGOT TO MENTION AS WE'LL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RIDES TO 10.
HI, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS JUST SO EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
SO, UM, IF AN UBER RIDE COSTS $50, THE 3 31 0.4% THAT THE PASSENGER OR THE RESIDENT WOULD PAY THAT'S $15.70, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND SO I KNOW IT PLEASE DON'T AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY WILL PICK UP THE TAB FOR 34 POINTS, $34 AND 30 CENTS.
SO, UM, HOW, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN THIS SPENDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO PAY? I MEAN, I
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HAVE A BUDGET HERE OF FISCAL YEAR OF 150,000 AND THEN THIS YEAR IS 230,000 UPCOMING HERE.AND HOW DID WE COME TO THAT AMOUNT? HONESTLY, I THINK WE JUST PUT A BIG NUMBER IN THERE BECAUSE WE SEE THE PROGRAM GROWING.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES AND, UM, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GROW INTO IT.
SO THERE'S NO MAGIC CALCULATOR.
THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SPEND IN TRANSPORTATION THIS YEAR.
SO CAN I ASK WHO CAME UP WITH THE $230,000? LIKE HOW DOES THAT, I KNOW YOU SAY WE, BUT WHO'S WE, AND, AND HOW DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFAULT TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THAT.
SO MARIN COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, I'M, PRIVAS MIND, CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.
THERE'S REALLY NO MAGIC TO IT.
THE CURRENT BUDGET IS $150,000.
IN ADDITION, THERE WAS $80,000 UNSPENT FROM THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WE ROLLED OVER INTO THE PROGRAM.
SO THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET IS ONE 50 PLUS THE 80,000 THAT WAS ROLLED.
SO THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT WE WERE REQUESTING IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH IS 230,000.
UM, SO I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT NUMBER WISE.
SO THIS INFORMATION SAYS BUDGET 150,000 FOR 2021 EXPENDITURES TODAY IS $19,483 AND 23 CENTS.
SO THAT'S HOW MUCH WE'VE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY SPENT, BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME WE HAD AN 80,000 LEFTOVER FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, SO, OKAY.
SO AS THE PROGRAM WAS GROWING, WE ANTICIPATED THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR WE WOULD USE UP AT LEAST 50% OF THE FUNDING.
AND AS JERRY MENTIONED, W AS WE EXPAND THE PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE AIRPORT RIDES, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LARGER DOLLAR TRANSACTIONS, AND THEY WILL INCUR RAPIDLY AS WE ROLL OFF THAT.
UH, AND WE ALSO DIDN'T KNOW THE FACT OF THE PANDEMIC AND WE ANTICIPATE AS WE COME OUT OF THAT, WE SHOULD BE SEEING THOSE RIDES INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, BUDGET WAS 150,000.
WE SPENT $19,483 AND 23 CENTS, BUT THAT LEAVES REALLY A DIFFERENCE OF 130,000, UNLESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET, THE CURRENT YEAR FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR 2021 IS $150,000.
THEN THE YEAR BEFORE, WHICH WAS FISCAL YEAR 20, WE HAD $80,000 UNSPENT, WHICH WE ROLLED OVER INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO THAT MADE THE CURRENT BUDGET $230,000.
SO ONE 50 PLUS THE 80,000 THAT WAS ROLLED OVER.
SO WE HAD $230,000 AVAILABLE FOR THIS RIDE SHARE PROGRAM.
THE THREE 14 PROGRAM OF THAT APPROXIMATELY 19,000 HAS BEEN EXPENDED TO DATE.
WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF MONTHS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE CLOSER TO MAYBE 25, $30,000, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE TOOK THAT SAME $230,000 THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO US THIS YEAR.
WE'RE IDENTIFYING THAT TOO, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO BE AVAILABLE AND EARMARKED FOR THE THREE 14 PROGRAM.
AND THAT TWO 30 INCLUDES MONEY LEFTOVER FROM THIS YEAR THAT WON'T BE ROLLED OVER BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
AND SO WHEN WE, THE TIME TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF, IF A COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT OR NOT WOULD BE NOW, OR WOULD IT BE DURING THE, LIKE, WHAT POINT DOES THIS GO THROUGH COUNCIL? BECAUSE I AGREE WITH IT.
I LIKE IT, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A PRESENTATION, BUT IF WE HAVE AN INCREASE OF 80,000 OR WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO SPEND 230,000, HOW DOES IS, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK FOR GETTING VOTED ON OR SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT.
WE HAVE FIRST READING ON THE BUDGET.
IF COUNCIL SO DESIRES, YOU CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO INCREASE OR DECREASE, OR LET IT BE THE SAME AMOUNT FOR NEXT YEAR.
THOSE ARE JUST BASIC QUESTIONS.
I WAS KIND OF HESITANT ON THIS, BUT THE WAY YOU GUYS EXPLAINED IT IS REALLY GOOD.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW AND MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF HOW IT WORKS.
UM, JUST IN CASE I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
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ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, JERRY.[10. CIP/Road Projects and Consent Agenda Presentation. ~ Travis Mitchell, Mayor]
STEP ITEM, NUMBER 10, CFP ROAD PROJECTS AND CONSENT AGENDA PRESENT.MAYOR AND COUNCIL, LEON BARBARA CITY ENGINEER.
OUR STANDARD, UH, AT BURLESON IS WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO WRAP IT UP.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES THAT POPPED UP.
SO WE'RE, UM, TRYING TO GET THOSE RESOLVED ON THE HERO'S MEMORIAL PARK.
UH, JUST TO GO OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THERE'S A 11, 12 AND 13, THE 11 AND 12 OR PERMANENT EASEMENTS THAT WE NEED.
13 IS A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT THAT WE NEED.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 2% COMPLETE, UH, AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO INSTALL SOME FOOTINGS FOR THE BRIDGE PEERS.
UH, THE MAYOR AT THE LAST MEETING ASKED ABOUT THE, UH, SPRING THAT WAS LOCATED THERE.
AND I CHECKED WITH THE CONSULTANTS.
THE FIRST THING THEY TELL ME HE WAS, THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT TO WAIT TO A SEAL THAT OFF AND COVER IT UP.
BUT THEN THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF WELL FED SPRINGS THERE.
WHY CAN'T WE USE IT FOR MAKEUP WATER? SO, UH, I, I ASKED THE QUESTION AND IT'S TRIGGERED A BUNCH OF EMAILS AND THE CONSULTANTS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A POSSIBILITY THAT MAY BE, UH, USING THAT WATER THERE AND THEN USE IT FOR MAKEUP WATER.
SO HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY SMARTER THAN I AM, WILL BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND BE ABLE TO USE THAT SPRING RATHER THAN JUST SEALING IT OFF.
SO, SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT LATER AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECT.
UH, LAVERA THE PARK, UH, IT'S A CONSENT AGENDA.
NUMBER 14 IS, UH, ANOTHER EASEMENT THAT WE'RE NEEDING TO ACQUIRE FOR THAT ONE.
UM, ALSO WE HAVE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
IT WAS ISSUED ON AUGUST 16TH, SO THAT PROJECT HAS, HAS STARTED, UM, UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE GETTING TEMPORARY ACCESS, UH, ON THAT PROJECT FROM DOHERTY ON THE MARY KYLE HARTSON PARK PROJECT.
WE'RE ABOUT 18% COMPLETE OF THAT.
LAY IS COMPLETE FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, DEMOLITION IS COMPLETE, UH, APPEARS IN THE LIGHT POLES, UH, IN THE TREE DIE DOWNS HAVE BEEN PLACED.
ELECTRICAL DESIGN IS NEARLY COMPLETE AND THEY'RE WORKING ON DESIGN FOR ELECTRICAL UTILITIES AND OTHER TELECOM SERVICES UNDERGROUND WENT TO HILL STREET AND DRAINAGE PROJECT.
THEY'RE STILL DRIVING ON THE NORTH HALF OF A WINDY HILL.
UH, STILL TRYING TO WRAP UP CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FOUR, UH, WORKING ON CURB AND GUTTER AND DRIVEWAYS AND DRAINAGE IN THERE.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, PLANNING TO OPEN UP IN OCTOBER, 2021, BUT DON'T BE SURPRISED WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT SOONER.
SO WE'RE JUST, UH, KEEP THAT DATE THOUGH, FOR NOW SOUTH SIDE WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, UH, WE'RE ABOUT 87% COMPLETE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID COMPLETE WAS A CROSSED 1 58 AND MADE A CONNECTION THERE.
UH, THE, UH, CONTRACTOR WAS HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING MANHOLES.
SO WE NEED TO GET SOME MANHOLES REP HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE GOTTEN THEM THIS WEEK.
SO WE'LL BE INSTALLING MANHOLES.
WE SHOULD HAVE THIS SECTION WRAPPED UP, UH, BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE NEXT SECTION IS GOING TO BE TACKLING IS IN FRONT OF THE MURRAY PROPERTY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE EASEMENT THAT WE TRY TO ACQUIRE THERE.
SO WE ENDED UP TRYING TO PLACE THE, UH, GRAVITY LINE AND A FORCE MAIN IN THE, UH, STATE TEXTILES RIGHT AWAY.
SO BEAR IN MIND THAT IN THAT 30 FEET, WE HAVE A 12 INCH WATER LINE FIBER OPTIC LINE AND A FOUR INCH GAS LINE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT AN 18 INCH GRAVITY LINE, 15 FEET DEEP, AND ALSO IT'S ALL 14 INCH FORCE MAIN, UH, OVER THAT PARTICULAR LINE.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR THAT CONTRACTOR ON THAT NEXT PHASE.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING TO SEE THIS PROJECT COMPLETED IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS WITH THE REST OF THE WORK THAT HE'S GOT TO DO ON THE TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION PROJECT.
UM, THERE'S TWO ITEMS ON THERE.
THERE'S NUMBER 15 AND 1815, I BELIEVE IS AN EASEMENT THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE TO PEC SO THEY CAN GET POWER TO OUR HEADWORKS.
AND, UH, OF COURSE THE, UH, 18 IS LARGE A CHANGE ORDER TO ARCHER WESTERN FOR THE, UH, UH, DE-WATERING FACILITY THAT WE NEED TO INSTALL THERE.
AND, UH, WE'RE AT 67% COMPLETE WE'D HAVEN'T GOTTEN, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE LATEST ESTIMATES, SO THAT SHOULD GO UP PRETTY QUICKLY.
UH, WE STILL HAVE SOME RAIN IMPACTING OUR PROJECT, SO THEY'RE STILL CONTINUING TO WORK ON SATURDAYS AND, UH, THEIR CONTINUED WORK IN STANDARDIZED LIKE THE TREATMENT PIPE, THE FORMWORK, REBORN, AND CONCRETE.
UH, WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO OPEN THIS PROJECT OPEN ON MARCH, 2022.
I DO WANT TO MENTION ON THAT, UH, FACILITY, THAT WE'RE GONNA INSTALL THE DE-WATERING FACILITY THAT WILL STILL CONTINUE ON AFTERWARDS FOR ABOUT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, BUT THE PLANT ITSELF, WE STILL PLAN TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED BY MARCH OF 2022,
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EXCUSE ME, ON THE BURN CREEK INTERCEPTOR THERE'S TWO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBER 22 IS FOR THE CHANGE ORDER.NUMBER TWO FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE PIPE THAT WE NEED TO PURCHASE BASED ON THE PRICES THAT ESCALATED DRAMATICALLY OVER THIS LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER 23 IS THE PAY THE DINER TINKLER, SHE'S OUR ACQUISITION PERSON.
AND SHE DID THE WORK FOR ACQUIRING ALL THESE MYTHS FOR THE BUTTON CREEK INTERCEPTOR.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 58% COMPLETE.
AND, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THE BORE UNDERNEATH THE CREEK RIGHT NOW.
WELL, SITE NUMBER FOUR IS IF YOU'VE NOTICED WE'VE COMPLETED THE, UH, DOWNTOWN ELEVATED, UH, THE LOGOS ARE UP AND THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO BE INSTALLING THE NEW LOGOS ON THE WELL SITE NUMBER FOUR.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET A DATE AS TO WHEN HE'S GOING TO BE BACK.
WE WERE HOPING HE'D COME BACK THIS WEEK.
SO WE'LL FIND OUT WHEN I'LL LET YOU KNOW, OPO STRODE, I'M WORKING WITH THE SURVEYOR, THE ENGINEER AND THE COUNTY.
WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, UH, I'VE BEEN VISITING WITH THEM OVER THE LAST WEEK, TRYING TO GET THIS ISSUE RESOLVED SO WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING.
THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON SOME DRIVEWAYS THERE FOR US LA BRANCH INTERCEPTOR.
NOW THIS PICTURE KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHERE ALMOST AT SLED STREET AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, PROJECTS ABOUT 30% COMPLETE.
AND THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT WORK WILL PROBABLY BE WORKING ON, ON THE 81.
SO, UH, THOSE FINISHES SECTION UP THEN JUMP OVER TO 81 AND THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION OF WASTEWATER LINE AND IT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED THERE.
MICROSURFACING PROJECT IS COMPLETE.
SO WE'RE DONE WITH THAT PROJECT.
WELL, THE CONSENT CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER 16.
THIS IS TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN FOR A 16 INCH WATER LINE THAT WE'RE GOING TO START OFF AT THE ANTHEMS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S GOING TO GO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HAYES COUNTY.
I'M SORRY, HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IT'LL GO DOWN SOUTH ON 1626, AND THEN WE'LL END UP THERE AT THE PLUM CREEK PHASE TWO CONNECTION.
IT'LL PROVIDE DUAL SERVICE TO ANTHEM AND IT WILL BRING THAT PRESSURE PLANE THREE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOWN TO PLUM CREEK PHASE TWO, ANY QUESTIONS? OH, THE QUESTION I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
UM, I DO WANT TO ITERATE ON THE SPRING.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE TAKING ANY MONEY FROM THERE, WE, UH, LOOK AT ALL THE ENTITIES INVOLVED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUMPING WATER.
THAT'S NOT ALLOWED TO AS A CITY.
SO SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, BUT IF IT'S A NATURAL SPRING, I THINK IS JUST GOING TO FEED, WHICH I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.
CAUSE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE, HAVE MAKEUP WATER THERE IN HIS FRAME.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THAT.
SO WE HAVE A NATURAL WAY OF DOING IT.
THE OTHER THING IS I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE CONCRETE GOING, UH, THAT WENT DOWN TODAY ON AT THE MHP, UH, AND PARK.
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SO YEAH, DEFINITELY MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT IN A TIMELY WAY.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND MORE TO ADD ON LATER.
LOTS OF PROJECTS FOR KEEPING YOUR DEPARTMENT BUSY.
UH, AND AS IS EVERYBODY, UH, JUST WANTED A QUICK, UM, JUST A TIME TIMELINE ON MARY COW HEARTS, HARTSON PARK, UH, THE COMPLETION DATE.
ARE WE STILL ON TARGET FOR WHERE WE WERE WANTING TO BE? CAUSE I KNOW, UH, TIME SENSITIVE ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THAT, BUT DO WE HAVE A, STILL AN ESTIMATED TIME OF COMPLETION ON THAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON FOR THE RECORD JAMES AARP ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND I AM, UH, SAFELY QUARANTINING RIGHT NOW OUT OF EXTREME CAUTION.
SO GOOD TO SEE ALL YOU GUYS REMOTELY AND TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.
UH, THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE HAVE EATEN UP ALL OF THE EXTRA TIME IN THE CALENDAR.
UH, WE ARE STILL BEING TOLD BY TF HARPER THAT THEY DO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN DELIVER ON TIME.
SOME OF THE BIGGEST LEAD TIME ITEMS ARE THE POWER POLES AND THE LIGHT POLES, UH, EFFECTIVELY THE, YOU KNOW, THE DECORATIVE POLES, IF YOU JUST WANT TO PUT THEM INTO ONE CATEGORY, THOSE ARE A 13 WEEK LEAD TIME AND THEY ARE BEING ORDERED.
I THINK EITHER AT THE END OF LAST WEEK OR JUST THEY'RE BEING ORDERED THIS WEEK, FINALLY, ALL THE SHOP DRAWINGS GOT DONE, UM, AND THOSE WILL BE GOING OUT.
SO THOSE WILL DELIVER LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE, UH, THE, THE PROJECT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DELIVERED TO US.
UH, BUT THAT SAID, THEY'RE MAKING PRETTY GOOD HEADWAY ON GETTING THE SUB BASIS DONE.
THEY WERE, THEY WEREN'T EXPECTING TO BUILD THE POOR CONCRETE UNTIL THURSDAY.
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ABLE TO GET THAT DONE TODAY ON THE SUB-BASE FOR THE AREA AROUND WHERE THE TREE WILL BE.SO THAT'S THE CONCRETE BASE THAT THE PAVERS WILL THEN BE SET UPON IN ORDER TO, UH, KEEP THE PAVERS FROM SHIFTING AND MOVING OVER TIME.
SO IT'S NOT THE FINAL BASE, BUT IT'S THE SUBSTRUCTURE.
UM, THEY'RE MAKING PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD, UH, CLIPPING ALONG NOW, NOW THAT MOST OF THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, THE ELECTRICAL WAS THE BIGGEST HOLDUP.
UM, WE DECIDED TO PIVOT ON THEM AND, AND, AND GO AHEAD AND DIRECT THAT ALL THE ELECTRICAL BE UNDERGROUND AND THAT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THEIR, THEIR SCOPE, BUT THEY ARE STILL HOPEFUL THAT THE EXTRA TIME THAT THEY HAD BUILT INTO THEIR CALENDAR, UH, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT HAS BEEN ENOUGH AND THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON TIME.
NOW, WHETHER OF COURSE IS THE OTHER UNKNOWN FACTOR, UH, AS LEON HAS POINTED OUT, IT'S NOT USUALLY STILL RAINING LIKE THIS IN AUGUST, SO WE'RE BLESSED IN SOME WAYS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTRUCTION AND YOU'RE NOT BLESSED WITH RAIN, SO IF WE CAN KEEP IT MOSTLY DRY DURING THE WORKWEEK, I THINK THOSE GUYS ARE GONNA DO SOME AMAZING WORK IN THE NET.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING AND IN THE NEXT EIGHT TO 10 WEEKS, I BET ANYONE ELSE.
UM, MY FIRST QUESTION, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, ONE FOR ITEM AGENDA, ITEM 22 AND THEN 23.
SO, UM, LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND KNOWING THAT WE'VE GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL WHEN WE SPEND MONEY.
UM, I SAW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22, AND IT REALLY WORRIED ME.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN INCREASE OF $329,334 AND 46 CENTS FOR A 36 INCH PIPE, PVC PIPE AND 12 INCH PVC PIPE.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, UM, DO THEY NOT ORDER THIS STUFF? WHEN WE HAVE A CONTRACT LIKE ORIGINALLY, LIKE WHEN DID THEY ORDER THE SUPPLIES? I ASKED THE CONTRACTOR THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION.
HE SAID, HE ORDERED IT THE MINUTE HE GOES, CONTRACT APPROVED.
BUT THEN WHEN HE, HE WAS NOTIFIED BY THE SUPPLIERS THAT, UH, THIS REQUEST WAS DENIED BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THE PIPE.
SO HE DID TELL ME THAT HE ORDERED IT AS SOON AS HE GOT THE ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, MY CONCERN IS THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT, UM, AN INCREASE IN PRICE.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT FUTURE PRICES, IF I'M CORRECT.
UM, AND SO I'M WONDERING, AND I'M LOOKING AT OUR AMAZING, UH, FINANCE, UM, PEREZ.
AND SO I'M WONDERING HOW OFTEN HE LOOKS AT THESE PRICES AS FAR AS, UM, THE MARKET VALUE GOES OR, UM, INVESTMENTS GO.
SO ON PROJECT COST INCREASES, WE IN FINANCE, WHERE, DEPENDING ON THE FEEDBACK WE GET FROM ENGINEERING.
SO AS SOON AS LEON AND HIS TEAM UPDATES US WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY MONITORING THAT PROJECT BUDGET.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE PROJECT IS FUNDED WITH WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES.
SO WE HAS CONTINGENCY SET ASIDE.
WE KNEW THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASES IN RIGHTAWAY ACQUISITIONS AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES AND DESIGN COSTS.
SO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO COVER THIS, UH, COST INCREASE.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE, THE PROJECT HAS SUFFICIENT FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE, THE ENTIRETY OF ITS SCOPE OF WORK CLEARLY ARE BLESSED CITY TO HAVE ACCESS, UH, MONEY IN THE, IN THE AMOUNT OF 329,000.
BUT MY CONCERN IS ARE WE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THE VENDOR OR BY WHOEVER I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT'S DIAMOND DIAMOND PIPES.
UM, SO I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND THIS CONTRACT WAS FROM 10 29 TO 2020.
AND ON THAT DATE, THE PRICE PER METRIC TON FOR PVC WAS $6,995.
THE PRICE TODAY IS $9,645, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 37.8%.
HOWEVER, DIAMOND PIPES COSTS WENT UP 30.
HOWEVER, UM, WHAT DIAMOND PIPE IS CHARGING US IS 88% INCREASE FOR THE 36 INCH AND 81% INCREASE FOR THE 12 INCH.
SO MY CONCERN IS, ARE WE OVERPAYING? BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEIR PRICE HAS ONLY GONE UP 37%, THEY'RE CHARGING US 88 AND 81% COUNCIL MEMBER.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT, WHAT THEY CHARGE AND WHY THEY CHARGE WHAT THEY CHARGE.
WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THE PRICES WERE INCREASING, UH, LUMBER INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.
IT'S GOING BACK DOWN NOW A LITTLE BIT, BUT A LOT OF THE PRICES HAVE BEEN INCREASING.
THEY SAID THEY WERE ABSORBING SOME OF THE COSTS FOR GRAVEL, CEMENT, CONCRETE, WHATEVER THEY'RE ABSORBING.
SOME OF THOSE COSTS WITH THIS WAS SO SIGNIFICANT.
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THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID THEY JUST COULDN'T AFFORD TO HANDLE THIS PARTICULAR INCREASE.SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT WHY THEY CHARGE THAT MUCH, OR I PERSONALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT THAT'S THE PRICE THEY'D GIVEN US.
AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY WE'VE LOOKED AROUND.
THIS IS ALL WE CAN GET A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS WEEK.
WHAT, WHAT THE PRICES ARE GOING TO DO TO US ON A PROJECT THAT WE'VE GOT THAT WE'RE LETTING RIGHT NOW, WE'LL OPEN UP BIDS UP THURSDAY.
OUR ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS AROUND $500,000 FOR THAT PREDICTOR PROJECT.
SO WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THE PRICES ARE GOING TO BE, AND IT'S NOT LARGE PIPE, IT'S 12 INCH PIPE AT THE LARGEST, BUT, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PRICES WE GET BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES.
SO, BUT I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHY THEY INCREASED IT THAT MUCH.
I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S, UH, THAT THE CONTRACTORS COMPLAINING, UH, WE'RE COMPLAINING, WE'RE ALL COMPLAINING, BUT WE JUST CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WILL THEN GO OVER TO EITHER PAIGE OR SCOTT REGARDING THE CONTRACT, WHAT IT SAYS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THEY USE LIKE FOURS MAY OR, AND, AND, BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS LIKE, DO WE JUST PAY THIS SO WE CAN GET IT BUILT? OR DO WE WAIT, UH, MAYBE CHALLENGE WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE TELLING US, BECAUSE THIS TO ME SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A CONTRACTOR'S PROBLEM.
IF THEY SAID THEY PURCHASED ALL THE PRODUCT.
WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS CREATED BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, THEN WHY ARE WE PAYING SUCH A LARGE INCREASE? IF I RECALL THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, THE CONTRACTOR'S REMEDY FOR INCREASE IN PRICE, UM, IS, IS DELAY.
BASICALLY, IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF A FORCE MAJEURE PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT, THEN THEY'RE REMEDIED IS, IS TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME.
AND THAT'S HOW THE CONTRACT READS.
UM, IF I'M RECALLING THE CONTRACT THAT WE REVIEWED ON THIS ONE, IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO ACCEPT A CHANGE ORDER, AND IT'S BASICALLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT, THEN YOU WOULD BE AGREEING TO THAT PRICE CHANGE.
HAS, UH, SCOTT, UM, HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBLE FEE, LIKE IF PEREZ COULD KIND OF, I DON'T WANT TO SAY GUESSTIMATE, WE CAN'T TELL THE FUTURE.
ALTHOUGH I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PEAKED AT THIS POINT AS FAR AS PRICES, HOPEFULLY, UM, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BABY IN SIX MONTHS TO HOLD OFF OR THREE MONTHS, UM, CAUSE THREE, THE DIFFERENCE OF $329,000 IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO JUST PAY THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY, OH, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, RE RESPONSIVE, REACTIVE TO THAT, UH, TO THAT ISSUE.
SCOTT SOLACE, FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA THAT ARE WAITING ON FINAL BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE PROJECT TO BE DONE AND, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD, KNOWING THAT THE PROJECT WILL PROCEED UNDER SOME SORT OF INTERIM PUMPING HALL AGREEMENT IS WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF LAND ACQUISITION THAT CAN'T PLAN OR TAKE DOWN THE PROPERTY UNTIL THEY KNOW THEY'LL HAVE WASTEWATER BY A CERTAIN TIME SO THAT THEIR REQUESTS TO THE CITY IS THAT WE DO NOT DELAY SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR DEVELOPMENTS MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PREPAY IMPACT FEES TO ACCELERATE THE PROJECT.
TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CONTRACTOR'S ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CITY'S ISSUE AND IF WE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT.
UM, AND, AND REALLY THAT'S IT.
I JUST, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE PAYING THE DIFFERENCE OF $329,000, KNOWING THAT THE COST HAS ONLY GONE UP, UH, LESS THAN 35%.
AND YET THEY'RE CHARGING US UP TO 88% INCREASE CASPER, TOBY, MARY, YES.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT HERE IS IF WE'RE LOCKED IN AT THESE PRICES, LET'S SAY 130,000, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE COMING BACK AND SAYING, WE NEED TO INCREASE IT.
I THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHERE MS. UH, FIRST KALE'S GETTING AT IS LIKE, WHERE DOES THE CONTRACT LIE AS FAR AS WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS? AND IF IT MEANS THAT SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD OR THREE MONTHS, OH, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BUY IT YET.
NOW WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR MORE MONEY.
IT'S LIKE A MECHANIC QUOTING A SURPRISE FOR THE TRANSMISSION.
AND THEN LATER ON SAYING, OH, I WASN'T ABLE TO ORDER AT THIS PART OF THE OIL, BUT I'VE GOT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL $800 TO THE FINAL BILL.
WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO LOCK THESE PRICES?
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AND THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE AMENDED ITEMS LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD OR THAT POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN THE CONTRACT BUSINESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK TO WHERE WE WERE QUOTED A CERTAIN PRICE BY THESE CONTRACTORS.AND THEN THEY COME BACK LATER ON AND SAY, NO, WE NEED TO INCREASE IT BECAUSE WE RAN OUT OF PVC PIPE.
I KIND OF AGREE WITH MS. KALE.
IT'S LIKE, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A CONTRACT ISSUE, NOT SO MUCH THE CITY THAT IN, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN LOCK THESE PEOPLE GOING FORWARD IN THOSE PRICING COUNCIL MEMBER, LEGAL CAN CONNECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT IS VERY CLEAR.
IT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO ABSORB THOSE INCREASES.
THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAD WAS TO, UH, REQUEST A DELAY IN TIME OR REQUEST MORE TIME TO TRY TO WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.
SO THE DECISION WE NEED TO MAKE IS DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT OR DO WE HAVE, WE HAVE OPTIONS? WE CAN DELAY THE PROJECT AND WAIT FOR THEM TO COME BACK WITH SOME PRICES THAT ARE REASONABLE.
UH, BUT THAT'LL DELAY THE PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THESE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE ON A WEEKLY BASIS, CONTACTED ME WANTING TO KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE READY.
UH, BUT THEN THAT'S, WE CAN JUST TELL WE'RE GOOD.
WE'RE GOING TO SIT ON THIS AND WAIT UNTIL THE PROCESS COME BACK DOWN, BUT WE COULD ALSO PROBABLY FILE AGAINST THE CONTRACTOR A WEEK, BUT THAT WOULD MEAN, UM, LITIGATION.
THAT WOULD BE MORE COSTS MORE TIME.
WE MAY END UP HAVING TO PAY THE SAME THING AT THE END.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE DANGERS OF DELAYING THE PROJECT OR TRYING TO GO TO LITIGATION.
SO A LOT OF TIME IS PRETTY MUCH OUR HANDS ARE TIED ON THESE SITUATIONS.
HE SAID HE WAS ABSORBING SOME OF THE EXTRA COSTS THAT HAVE FOR THE CONCRETES AND SANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HE HAS HIS ABSORB THOSE COSTS, BUT THEN WE'LL START THE PROJECT UNLESS IT GETS APPROVED IN THAT MEANS THE INCREASES ON THE DOLLAR MIL.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WHEN HE DID SUBMIT HIS REQUEST FOR THE PIPE, UH, THEY, THEY, UH, VOIDED HIS REQUEST AND SAID, WE, WE, WE CAN'T PROVIDE IT.
SO LET ME JUST TRY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE CONTRACTS AND THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT TO HOLD YOU TO A CONTRACT WHERE YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND YOUR CONTROL AS A CONTRACTOR.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE BUYING MATERIAL.
THE OTHER THING IS WHEN YOU RUN INTO A PROJECT, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE GROUND.
AS WHAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IN THE CONTRACT WORLD, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.
YOU CAN THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT A PROJECT BID PERFECTLY.
AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DIGGING INTO A CAVE OR YOU YOU'VE RUN INTO A LINE OR SOMETHING AND THE CROP, UH, OR IF YOU'RE BUILDING A WALL OR TAKING DOWN A WALL IN A HOME, THE PRICE HAS JUST INCREASED YOU.
CAN'T, THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T ALWAYS SEE AS A CONTRACTOR.
HOW WOULD I SAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND HOLD THEM TO THAT, AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE DO THIS, TRY TO HOLD A CONTRACTOR TO SOMETHING FOR AN UNFORESEEN ISSUE THAT CAME UP DURING A BUILD OR SOMETHING, THEN IN A WAY YOU'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT CONTRACTOR.
AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MOVE FORWARD TO OUR PROJECTS.
I NOTICED CONTRACTOR, UH, GAVE US A BID AND WE'D LIKE TO HOLD THEM TO IT.
BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE IN FORESEEING.
THE PANDEMIC WAS ONE OF THOSE.
WE DIDN'T SEE THE LABOR SHORTAGES, THE MATERIAL SHORTAGES.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU JUST NEED TO MOVE ON AND YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACTORS ABSORBING SOME OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB SOME OF IT AND WE CAN GET OUR PROJECT FINISHED.
DELAINE IS GOING TO PUT US IN A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR OTHER PROJECTS.
THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, ARE COUNTING ON SOME MORE INFRASTRUCTURE GOING IN, WILL NOT, UH, WILL HAVE TO BE ON ODE AS WELL.
SO, UM, THERE'S NOT ALWAYS THAT CLEAR CUT THING THAT WE LOOK FOR.
IF WE TRY TO HOLD EVERYONE'S AND, YOU KNOW, I'M THE FIRST ONE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, TIMELINES, MAKE SURE YOU'VE FINISHED IN TIME, BUT THERE'S SOME UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT SOMETIMES WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, UH, UM, HOW WOULD I SAY IT IS, IS PUT UNDUE BURDEN ON SOME, ON SOMEONE OR A COMPANY THAT MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY COULDN'T HELP NOW.
IT'S SOMETHING THEY COULD HAVE.
UH, UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING THEY COULD HAVE DONE.
THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT IT OFF THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAW COMING FORWARD.
THE INCREASES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING FORWARD.
I KNOW THERE'S PROJECTS, UH, THAT I HAVE IN SOME OF MY BUILDINGS UP IN AUSTIN THAT HAVE GONE UP IN PRICE AS WELL.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD THOSE CONTRACTORS FEEDS TO FIRE.
CAUSE I, MY WHOLE THING IS NOT BREAKING THOSE CONTRACTORS.
IT'S MOVING FORWARD ON OUR PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW? SO SOME THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BEING HELD HOSTAGE EITHER BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, WE COULD BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF AS WELL, BEING THAT WE ARE A CITY AND WE COULD HAVE CONTRACTORS NOT SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT PURPOSELY, BUT IT'S IT'S WHERE DO WE
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NOT SO MUCH DRAW THE LINE, BUT WHERE DO WE HOLD EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE IN THAT SENSE TO WHERE, IF THIS IS THE BASE PRICE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THAT.YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF INCLUDING YOUR DEPARTMENT.
CAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT THIS WAS DURING THE PANDEMIC THAT, THAT WE ORDERED THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? IT LOOKS LIKE OCTOBER 29TH, 2020.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WASN'T, UH, UN UN IT WASN'T UNFORESEEN.
UM, AND REALLY THE UNDUE BURDEN IS ON US, ON THE CITY HAVING TO PAY AN EXTRA $300,000.
UM, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE A PROOF OF AVOIDANCE? IS THERE HA HAS THIS, UH, COMPANY SHOWED YOU, HEY, THIS IS WHERE THEY, THEY SAID THEY CAN'T SUPPLY US AT THIS AMOUNT.
THIS ALL STARTED WITH THE FREEZE THAT WE HAD.
THE PLANTS HAD TO SHUT DOWN ON THE COAST AND THE PLANTS THAT MAKE THE RESIDENCES FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND FOR THEM TO GEAR BACK UP, IT TOOK THEM A WHILE JUST TO GET GEARED UP, BACK UP.
AND TODAY THEY ARE MAKING PIPE, BUT THEY'RE SO FAR BEHIND ON THEIR ORDERS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING SIX INCH, EIGHT INCH, 12 INCH PIPE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MOST SUBDIVISIONS AND DEVELOPERS USE IS THAT PARTICULAR SIZE OF PIPE.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S A 36 INCH PIPE.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO RETOOL JUST TO MAKE THAT 36 INCH PIPE.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE SO FAR BEHIND ON ALL THEIR ORDERS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH A SMALLER PIPE CAUSE THEY CAN GET A LOT OF THAT MATE A LOT QUICKER AND FASTER AND GET IT SHIPPED OUT.
UM, BUT IN, IN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, UM, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, HOW TO RESPOND TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S, UH, IT, WE DID NOT, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
IF IT WAS THE FREEZE, IT WAS THE PRIMARY REASON THIS ALL STARTED HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I GIVE GRACE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS.
I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS AND, AND I CONFIRMED THAT, YES, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE ORDERED IT, UH, IN LAST OCTOBER AND LAST OCTOBER, THE PRICE WAS AT IT, SET THEM OUT AND NOW IT SEEMS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, UM, EVEN THAN THE MARKET VALUE.
SO, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT TAKING MONEY OUT OF A BUDGET THAT WE COULD USE.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD USE THIS FOR.
UM, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEING DELEGATED IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT, UH, THEY EVEN OFFERED TO USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PIPE, DUCTILE IRON PIPE, BUT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.
DOESN'T LIKE WORKING WITH DUCTILE IRON PIPE.
IT'S HEAVY, IT'S HARD TO MOVE AROUND AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO WORK ON.
SO, UH, BUT UH, IN MY WHOLE CAREER, I'VE NEVER SEEN WHERE PVC WAS, UH, ALMOST THE SAME PRICE AS DUCTILE IRON PIPE IS JUST, JUST, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THIS IS PUBLIC WORKS AS FAULT.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD ONE HARBOR UNDER THE BUS ON THIS ONE, I SIT DOWN, I SAW HIM SOON AS YOU SAID THAT I SAW
SO MY COMMENTARY IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, I THINK YOU'RE BOTH VERY MUCH RIGHT, THAT WE ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF A FORCE MEASURE.
IT IS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PERSON WHO YOU'RE IN CONTRACT WITH AND TO VOID THAT CONTRACT AND THEN CHARGE A HIGHER PRICE.
SO IT IS A STRATEGIC MANEUVERING OF A CONTRACTOR TO GET MORE MONEY OUT OF US.
UH, THE, THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THAT CONTRACTOR WORKS FOR US AND THAT WE'RE BUILDING A REGIONAL WASTEWATER LINE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO THEY ARE BUILDING SOMETHING FOR US.
WE ARE CON WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE WASTEWATER, ACCORDING TO ALL THESE AGREEMENTS WITH THESE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS, WE ENTITLE THEM WITH THAT.
SO IF WE DON'T FIX THE PROBLEM, THEN WE ARE GOING TO NOT ONLY INCUR PROBLEMS WITH THE CONTRACTOR, BUT WITH OUR CUSTOMERS, UH, ENTERING THE SOLUTION THAT I THINK MAYBE WE'RE WE, WE DIDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU SAY, BUT THAT IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE PAYING FOR IN THE FORM OF, UH, UH, EXPEDITED IMPACT FEES.
CORRECT? SO THEY ARE COVERING THE OVERAGES BECAUSE THIS ULTIMATELY WHO BEARS THE BURDEN, IT'S THE, THE RESIDENTS THROUGH THE FORM OF HIGHER PRICES THROUGH THE FORM OF HIGHER COSTS TO THE DEVELOPERS AND HIGHER COSTS TO THE CITY IN THE FORM OF TAXES.
SO IT DEFINITELY STINKS ALL ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT THE SOLUTION CAN'T BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS KIND OF A CASE, I THINK THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPERS WILL PAY OVER.
SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY COMING OUT OF MONEY.
IT'S WHAT MAKES IT WHOLE FOR ME ENOUGH TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
BUT WE WORKED ON THESE WASTEWATER LINES, YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME AND I DON'T WANT TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T JUST SAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT A HARD STOP HALFWAY THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
IT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DEVASTATING TO A LOT OF THINGS I WOULD THINK.
BUT MAYOR, IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT A THIRD OF THIS PRICE IS THE RECLAIMED WASTEWATER
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LINE AND NOT THE GRAVITY FLOW WASTEWATER, WHICH IS REALLY AS A CITY, A CITY UTILITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD OUT RIGHT NOW.SO THIS ISN'T BEING REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPERS.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD HARPER, BARBARA WILDER, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
I JUST WANT TO DO A BACK LEON UP THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE REVIEWS, UH, LIKE BACK HIM UP.
WE DO THE REVIEWS, UH, EVERY WEEK.
UH, PHILLIP AND I LOOK AT THE PLAN REVIEWS.
LEON LOOKS AT THE PLAN REVIEWS.
WE'RE CONSTANTLY TALKING TO THE CONTRACTORS.
MY PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTORS ARE CONSTANTLY TALKING TO THE CONTRACTORS.
WE ARE SEEING THIS ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND I THOUGHT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT THING, BUT WE ARE SEEING IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE BOARD.
THE CONTRACTORS ARE HAVING ISSUES GETTING PIPE RIGHT NOW.
OUR OWN STAFF IS HAVING ISSUES GETTING PIPE RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY ARE COMING TO US ASKING, CAN WE PUT THIS IN OR COULD WE DO THIS? COULD WE DO THAT? COULD WE PUT A WASTEWATER PIPE IN FOR WATER PIPE? NO, NO YOU CAN'T.
UM, SO WE ARE DEALING WITH THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO ALTHOUGH I DON'T LIKE THE COST INCREASE, UM, I AGREE WITH YOU, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? AND THERE'S GOING TO COME UP AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T COME TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP AND BACK UP AND OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW PLAN HERE BECAUSE SO FAR EVERYTHING HAS WORKED OUT WITH WHAT WE TRY TO DO WITH OUR INSPECTORS AND THE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELDS RIGHT NOW, ANTHEM, SWIPER, SPORES, SIX CREEKS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES IT'S WORKING OUT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S EITHER A CHANGE OR THERE'S A LENGTH INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND SO, UH, I JUST HOPE THAT DOESN'T GET WORSE, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BACK UP WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE COMING UP HERE TO DEFEND, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE THERE TO LOOK OUT OF CURIOSITY.
YOU MR. HARPER, YOU SAID, UM, THAT THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT HAS BEEN AN INCREASE.
SO MY FEAR IS IF WE CONTINUE TO INCREASE, ARE WE LOOKING AT MILLIONS? IT'S GOING TO BE, I MEAN, IS THIS REALLY THE RIGHT TIME TO BUILD? I'M NOT TRYING TO SLOW DOWN ANYTHING I'M WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
I TRY TO BE PROGRESSIVE AS POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY WHERE IT'S GOING TO PUT AN UNDUE STRAIN FINANCIALLY.
THE PLANTS THAT MAKE THE PVC, THE PVC RESIDENCE IS THE ISSUE WITH THE LACK OF THOSE PLANTS.
IT'S MUCH LIKE WHEN, UH, WHEN THE, UH, WHEN WE WERE SHORT ON GAS, YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE, THE, UH, THE PLACES THAT PROVIDED THE GAS WENT DOWN AND WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THOSE TO COME BACK ONLINE.
UM, BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ALTERNATIVE MEASURES.
AND SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS PIPE AND IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THE BUTTON CREEK INTERCEPTOR THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND IS THAT IT TAKES OUT TWO LIFT STATIONS.
YOU CAN'T DO ONE THERE, THERE IN TWO PHASES.
YOU CAN'T DO ONE OF THE PHASE WITHOUT THE OTHER PHASE, BOTH OF THEM HAVE TO BE WORKING SO THAT WE CAN GET IT DONE.
THOSE TWO LIFT STATIONS WILL BE TAKEN OFFLINE ONCE THIS NEW LINE IS IN ONE OF THOSE LIFT STATIONS, IF Y'ALL RECALL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, EVENTS WITH IT IN THE PAST.
AND, UH, SO, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT POPE WORKS HAS BEEN WAITING FOR QUITE A WHILE.
I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE INVOLVED WITH IT AND OUR EARS ARE OPEN AND WE'RE LISTENING.
WELL, ANOTHER REASON YOU DON'T WANT TO PROLONG THIS, UH, UH, THIS PROJECT DOWN THE ROAD, CAUSE LABOR COSTS GO UP EVERY YEAR AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY A LOT MORE LATER IN LABOR.
SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL.
I HOPE THIS, I HOPE THIS PVC COSTS TURNS AROUND.
I HOPE IT TURNS AROUND QUICK, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR, WE HAVE MANY PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO AS WELL.
UM, LEON'S JUST COME THROUGH WITH THE ONE ON JUST LIMIT THE WASTEWATER LINE OVER THERE.
UH, WE HAVE WATER PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO GET DONE, THAT WE'RE DOING THE CITY'S DOING.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE SAME, THE SAME PROBLEMS. I SEE A LOT OF THE SUPPLY YARDS EMPTY RIGHT NOW.
SO A LOT OF SUPPLY YARDS IN AUSTIN WHO'S APPLIED PIPE ARE PRETTY EMPTY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WASN'T USED TO SEEING.
USUALLY YOU'D HAVE A STOCKPILE AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT ANYMORE.
YOU'RE HAVING TO GO WHEREVER YOU CAN GET IT.
AND THAT MAY BE WAY OUT OF STATE.
YOU THEN HAVE TO SHIP ALL THAT YEAR.
SO THERE'S YOU TELL US HOW FAR BEHIND WE ARE WITH THIS PROJECT? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GUESS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THREE MONTHS BEHIND RIGHT NOW.
I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THERE IS ONE PARTICULARLY LARGE PROJECT THAT WE'VE THOUGHT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A 90, 95, A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGNED.
WE'RE WAITING ON ONE MORE EASEMENT AND WE REALLY NEEDED TO PUSH THAT OUT, UH, THIS SPRING.
UH, BUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THAT, HE'S NOT, I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND HOLD OFF.
AND I SAID, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE WE GET ALL OUR EASEMENTS UP.
AND THEN WE'LL PUSH THIS PROJECT OUT NEXT, UH, NEXT YEAR,
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NEXT SPRING.UH, CAUSE THERE'S SOME CERTAIN DEADLINES WE HAVE TO MEET UP WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO I'VE DECIDED TO POSTPONE THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GET IN THE SAME SITUATION BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR IS ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE A PROBLEM BIDDING THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WERE THE PROCESSES ARE GOING TO BE.
I WAS TOLD THERE WERE PRICES INCREASES SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 1ST AND SEPTEMBER 1ST.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOING UP IN SOME CASES.
UM, CAN I ASK PAIGE CAN SEE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO ABOUT MAKING SURE CONFIRMING THAT WHEN WE MAKE AN ORDER THAT THE PR THE PRODUCTS GETS IS PHYSICALLY ORDERED AND LIKE PHYSICALLY THERE? CAUSE I MEAN, THIS COULD'VE ALL BEEN AVOIDED LAST OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.
SO I GUESS MY CONFUSION LIES WITH THE FACT THAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO ORDER IT LAST YEAR AND IT'S STILL, OBVIOUSLY WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT AS A CITY THAT WE'RE PROTECTED FROM THIS KIND OF SITUATION? SO THERE'S FIRST THERE'S THE CONTRACT TERMS, WHICH WE'VE GOT THE CONTRACT TERMS HERE THAT ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
YOU JUST HAVE, I THINK LIKE THE MAYOR WAS SAYING WAS, IS THE SOLUTIONS WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM, UM, TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, IT RESULTS IN DELAYS AND STOPPING THE PROJECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN.
UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN A SOLUTION TO KIND OF HAVE SOME CONFIRMATION THAT ITEMS ARE ORDERED AT A CERTAIN POINT IN THE CONTRACT, WHAT I'D WANT TO DO IS COORDINATE THAT SOLUTION WITH THE, PROBABLY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW THAT PART OF IT WORKS TO SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK.
CAUSE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT KIND OF WORKS IN THE INDUSTRY TO SEE IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD WORK INTO YOUR CONTRACTING AND PHASING OF PROJECTS.
WHAT ABOUT LIKE A MEDIATION SITUATION? CAUSE I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CONVERSATION'S BEEN HAD BETWEEN THE COMPANY AND THE CITY.
UM, MAYBE SCOTT, WHERE YOU AT YOURSELF.
UM, BUT SOMETHING THAT, SOME KIND OF STIPULATION THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK, IS THIS CAN'T JUST BE, UM, YEAH, SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE IT.
EITHER WE PAY OR WE DON'T, I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS TO BE A MIDDLE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
THERE NOBODY LIKES MEDIATION, NOBODY LIKES TO PAY THE MEDIATOR.
SO I THINK AN EXTRA STEP IN THAT SITUATION THAT WAS GOING TO COST TIME AND MONEY MIGHT BE HELPFUL, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
NORMALLY THE CONTRACTOR GETS IN THOSE RECEIPT, THE LOADER OF THEIR MATERIALS, BECAUSE WE DO PAY FOR MATERIALS ON HAND.
SO THE INCENTIVES THERE FOR HIM TO GO AHEAD AND BUY THE MATERIAL.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM NOT TO BUY IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME MANHOLES THAT, BUT THAT MANUALS HAVE TO BE MADE.
PIPE HAS TO BE ORDERED AND THEN THEY PLACE THEIR ORDERS AND THEY ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE THEIR MATERIAL READY TO GO.
THAT'S THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO HAVE IS WAITING ON MATERIAL TO COME IN.
SO MOST OF YOUR CONTRACTORS ARE GOING TO ORDER IT RIGHT AWAY.
THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR NUMBER 23, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR TONY.
I MEAN, FOR 22, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR 23, UM, WHICH IS DIANA TINKLER.
UH, AND I, AND I SEE ONE OF THE INVOICES FROM 2019 AND ANOTHER INVOICE FROM 2020.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG TO PAY DIANA TINKLER.
HE JUST IS TYPICALLY THE PERSON THAT WE GO TO DO OUR ACQUISITIONS.
UM, SHE SENT ME THE INVOICE ABOUT, UH, LATE MARCH, UH, FOR THE SERVICES.
WE ALREADY HAD A PURCHASE ORDER READY TO GO, BUT, UH, IT DIDN'T ROLL OVER TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR WHEN IT WAS FIRST ISSUE BACK IN 2019, I GUESS.
AND SHE APOLOGIZED FOR FOOD PROFUSELY.
SHE HAD ISSUES WITH HER, ONE OF HER PARENTS.
AND SO SHE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO GET THERE.
UH, IF YOU NOTICED HER INVOICES ARE VERY DETAILED AND SHE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF THAT.
SO I REVIEWED THE INVOICES AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THAT AND GET THAT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT, UH, ONE OF THE BIG, THE BIG REASON WAS THAT SHE WAS DELAYED IS THAT SHE HAD, UM, UH, HAD SOME ISSUES WITH FAMILY, PERSONAL FAMILY ISSUES TWO YEARS.
I'M JUST SAYING AS A CITY, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TIMELY PAYING THE BILLS.
AND THIS MAKES US LOOK BAD BECAUSE I MEAN, IF I WAS JUST A RESIDENT AND I DIDN'T LISTEN TO THIS, I WOULD JUST ASSUME WE WEREN'T PAYING OUR BILLS.
SO IT, TO ME, THIS IS JUST KIND OF WORRISOME THAT WE'RE PAYING BILLS FROM TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE SHE FAILED TO INVOICE IT.
IT BOTHERED ME ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ITEMS ON THE CONSENT? WE WANT TO PULL
[VII. Consent Agenda]
MOTIONS MAYOR.I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 11 THROUGH 24 SECOND MOVE BY KESTREL RIZZO, SECONDED BY CASPER.
IS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[25. (First Reading) An Ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas Continuing with Curfew for Minors Under Seventeen Years of Age per Sections 23-23 Through 23-30; Entitled Triennial Review; Providing for Enforcement; Establishing Criminal Penalties; and Setting an Effective Date. ~ Jeff Barnett, Chief of Police
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FIRST RATING AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE TEXAS, CONTINUING WITH CURFEW FOR MINORS
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UNDER 17 YEARS OF AGE PER SECTION 23 DASH 23 THROUGH 23 DASH 30.HE DIDN'T NEED TO VISIT WITH YOU FOR A SECOND ABOUT ONE OF THE ITEMS. OKAY.
SO, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, JEFF BARNETT, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE RECORD.
THE CITY OF KYLE HAS HISTORICALLY SINCE 2009 IN YOUR CURRENT FORM HAD A CURFEW FOR OUR MINORS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW THAT ORDINANCE, UM, EVERY THREE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS STILL VIABLE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS STILL WORDED IN A WAY THAT MEETS YOUR COMMUNITY STANDARDS AND STILL PRESERVES THE RIGHTS OF OUR.
SO WE BROUGHT THE ITEM BACK TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE THREE YEAR THE TRIENNIAL REVIEW OF THIS ORDINANCE.
WE DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES.
I'LL SUMMARIZE IT VERY BRIEFLY, JUST SO THAT THE CITIZENS KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR JUVENILE CURFEW IS ALL ABOUT.
FIRST, IT APPLIES TO THOSE THAT ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 17, SO 16 AND BELOW.
THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO JUVENILE CURFEW ORDINANCE IN THE CITY IS TO, UM, PROTECT THOSE THAT ARE UNDER 17 BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSCEPTIBLE BY THEIR LACK OF MATURITY AND EXPERIENCE TO PARTICIPATE IN UNLAWFUL AND GANG-RELATED ACTIVITIES.
AND TO ALSO POTENTIALLY BE THE VICTIM OF CRIME FROM ODOR PERPETRATORS.
SO IT IS DESIGNED IN TWOFOLD TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, BUT ALSO TO KEEP THEM FROM BECOMING A VICTIM OF CRIME IF THEY'RE OUT AFTER HOURS.
AND I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY WHAT THOSE ARE.
CURFEW HOURS IN THE CITY OF KYLE FOR OUR ORDINANCE THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE.
AND THAT WE WERE ASKING TO CONTINUE ARE FROM 12 MIDNIGHT ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK UNTIL 6:00 AM THE FOLLOWING DAY.
SO THAT'S 12 MIDNIGHT TO 6:00 AM.
AND THEN FROM 9:00 AM UNTIL 2:30 PM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.
SO IF SCHOOL IS NOT AS IN SESSION, UH, IT WOULD NOT APPLY.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS, UH, DEFENSES TO, UH, BEING OUT AFTER THESE HOURS BEING OUT DURING THESE OTHERWISE PROHIBITED HOURS THAT ARE LAWFUL.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE, WE OFTEN GET QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, VARIOUS TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT, THAT ARE CERTAINLY LAWFUL TO BE OUT DURING THOSE PROHIBITED HOURS.
JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THOSE.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE REACH OUT AS THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED WHEN A 16 YEAR OLD OR BELOW WHEN A MINOR BY DEFINITION IS OUT ON AN ERRAND AT THE DIRECTION OF THEIR PARENT WHEN THEY ARE, UH, SIMPLY PASSING THROUGH OUR CITY, OBVIOUSLY WITH PARENTS ARE ON A TRIP TO DESTINATIONS OUTSIDE THE CITY WHEN THEY'RE ENGAGED IN LAWFUL EMPLOYMENT ACTIVITY, WHEN THEY'RE ENGAGED IN A SCHOOL RELATED ACTIVITY, WHEN THEY ARE ENGAGED IN AN EMERGENCY, PERHAPS GOING TO THE HOSPITAL OR OTHER CLINIC FOR TREATMENT, OR PERHAPS GOING TO PICK UP MEDICINE AND WHATNOT, THOSE WOULD NOT CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION IF THEY ARE OUTSIDE IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME, ON THE SIDEWALK OR EVEN THEIR ADJACENT NEIGHBOR'S SIDEWALK IS NO, AS LONG AS NO ONE IS COMPLAINING OR THEY'RE ATTENDING A SCHOOL OR RELIGIOUS OR GOVERNMENT SPONSORED EVENT OR OTHER CIVIC ACTIVITY, UH, THOSE ARE JUST A, A GENERAL OVERVIEW.
SO BASICALLY IF THAT MONITOR HAS A GOOD, LAWFUL REASON FOR BEING OUT IN THE PUBLIC, OUR OWN SOMEONE'S, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT IS KIND OF A PUBLIC PLACE LIKE A BUSINESS OR AN ARCADE ROOM OR GAME ROOM OR WHATNOT, UM, THEN ARE, THEN THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING A VIOLATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE, WE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL, UH, ASK THE MONITOR WHILE THEY'RE OUT.
WE WILL TRY TO DETERMINE TO DETERMINE THEIR REASON FOR BEING OUT DURING THEIR PROHIBITED HOURS.
AND IF THEY ARE IN VIOLATION, MOST OFTEN, WE WILL SIMPLY ISSUE A WARNING AND RETURN THEM TO THE PLACE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.
WHETHER THAT BE AT HOME, IF IT'S DURING THE NIGHT OR IF THEY'RE SKIPPING SCHOOL OR WHATNOT, THEN WE'LL TRY TO RETURN THEM TO SCHOOL.
IN MANY TIMES, WE GIVE THEM A WARNING THE FIRST TIME.
IN FACT, UH, DURING THIS MOST RECENT THREE-YEAR PERIOD, WE'VE ONLY ISSUED 14 CITATIONS FOR THOSE WHO ARE VIOLATING THE CURFEW.
AND MOST OFTEN THAT IS BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY REFUSE TO GO HOME, REFUSE TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL OR THEY'RE OTHERWISE ENGAGED IN OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
AND THE OFFICERS FELT THEY ALSO NEEDED TO ISSUE A CITATION FOR VIOLATING THE CURFEW.
WE NOTIFY THE SCHOOL WHEN WE ENCOUNTER THEM.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR SAFETY AND TO, TO MINIMIZE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY COMMITTED BY MONITORS.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT BRIEF AND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW AND TELL YOU THERE'S NO CHANGES RECOMMENDED.
WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING TO EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER THREE YEAR PERIOD CHIEF.
I WANTED TO THANK YOU, UM, UH, FOR THE OVERVIEW ON IT.
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TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, ON ONE OF MY RIDE ALONGS, I WAS ABLE TO WITNESS OUR OFFICERS ENGAGE A COUPLE OF, UH, JUVENILES 13, 14 YEAR OLDS ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, WALKING LATE AT NIGHT, NOTHING WAS LIKE TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND THE OFFICERS HANDLED IT WITH, UH, A LOT OF, UM, HOW WOULD I SAY, UH, RESPECT AND ALSO, UM, WITH A LOT OF GREAT JUDGMENT.I MEAN, I WAS REALLY AN ALL WITH WHAT, HOW THE OFFICER, UH, HANDLED THE SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, I, I WAS A LITTLE UPSET TO SEE KIDS OUT THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, LIKE THAT VERY DANGEROUS.
YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING HIT ON ROADSIDES IN THE DARK ALL THE TIME AND THE WAY THE OFFICER HANDLED WAS AMAZING.
AND, UH, I WAS, I WAS GLAD TO WITNESS IT.
AND I THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE, ALL CHILDREN IN THE CITY OF KAHLIL SAFE.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM TWENTY-FIVE I MEAN, YEAH, CORRECT.
I CAN SEND YOU THE AGENDA ITEM.
UM, IT'S BEEN MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
KAYLA, WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION CUSTOMER TOBY'S YES, SIR.
UM, THANK YOU, CHIEF FOR RESPONDING TO MY EMAIL.
UH, IT WAS IN REFERENCING TO THE EXTRA CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES.
UM, I'VE PICKED UP MY SON BEFORE, THROUGH THE YEARS AND SOMETIMES I SEE KIDS WALKING HOME SOMETIMES AS LATE AS 12:00 AM.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THE DEFENSIVE TO WHERE, IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT'S WALKING HOME, THAT THEY WON'T BE IN TROUBLE AND SO FORTH ON THAT END AND ALSO SOMETHING TO GET READY FOR.
I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE HOLIDAY SEASON IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO WE'RE SAYING IF WE'RE SEEING INDIVIDUALS OUT ONE O'CLOCK TWO IN THE EVENING OR EARLY MORNING, UH, THAT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY, OR THEY JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOTIFIED THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OUT THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF RATHER THAN ENCOUNTERING THEM, THE MATER THEMSELVES, JUST CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LET US CHECK ON THEM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE AND THAT THEY'RE SAFE.
AND IF THEY'RE VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE, LET OUR OFFICERS TAKE WHATEVER ACTION IS APPROPRIATE.
AS YOU CAN ALREADY TELL JUST THE HANDFUL OF TICKETS OVER THREE YEARS, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO ISSUE CITATIONS AND BRING THESE PEOPLE TO COURT.
IT'S SIMPLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND THEN NOT ALSO COMMITTING CRIMES.
SO THEY'LL TAKE THE RIGHT ACTION TO MAKE SURE THEY GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO SAFELY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[26. Arts Commission Update. ~ Paul Phelan, Director of Library Services]
STEP ARTS COMMISSION UPDATE MR. PAUL FAILING.UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD.
I'M PAUL FALLON DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY SERVICES.
AND TONIGHT WE'RE JUST HERE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE ART COMMITTEE SO FAR.
SO I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST KIND OF HIT THE HIGH POINTS HERE AND THEN JUST TURN IT OVER TO THE, UH, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THE COUNCIL TO, UH, BEGIN THE DISCUSSION.
SO IF YOU SAW IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET, THE BACKUP MATERIAL, THE VISION STATEMENT, I THINK JUST A COUPLE OF IMPORTANT POINTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE.
THEY PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE ABOUT STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS, ENHANCING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, POSITIVE SOCIAL CHANGE, AND ENDED THAT STATEMENT WITH, UH, UH, WE ENVISION A VIBRANT KYLE WHEREIN CREATIVITY, PROSPERITY AND PROGRESS WORK HAND IN HAND.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD, THE MISSION STATEMENT.
UM, A COUPLE OF POINTS IN THERE TO PROMOTE THE CITY'S HISTORY, WHICH I KNOW WAS IMPORTANT TO COUNCILMAN RIZO, THE DIVERSE CULTURE AND SENSE OF PLACE, UH, TO ENCOURAGE AND PROMOTES ART PROGRAMS AND EVENTS, UH, TO ENGAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES TO BUILD A FLIRT FLOURISHING AND VIBRANT ARTS AND CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT.
UH, AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN HERE WAS AN EQUITY AND INCLUSION STATEMENT, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ.
THE KYLE ARTS COMMISSION RESPECTS AND HONORS THE DIGNITY AND VALUE OF EVERY HUMAN BEING.
WE ASPIRE TO BE A DIVERSE, EQUITABLE AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY IN WHICH ALL PEOPLE ARE VALUED AND RESPECTED EQUITY AND INCLUSION REQUIRES THAT WE FOCUS ON THE DIVERSITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND DEVELOP EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES TO MOVE US ALL TOWARDS AN EQUITABLE FUTURE.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE, KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF, UH, JUST SOME IMPORTANT POINTS WITHIN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
SO, SO FAR THE, UH, COMMISSION WOULD BE AN 11 MEMBER BOARD.
SEVEN OF THOSE, UH, MEMBERS WOULD BE VOTING MEMBERS, FOUR WOULD BE EX OFFICIO MEMBERS.
UH, THE SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS WOULD BE, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD SOME KNOWLEDGE AND OR EXPERTISE
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IN THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF ART.UH, THE EX OFFICIO MEMBERS WOULD BE TWO COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES, A BUSINESS COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE, AND A, A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
I THINK THE THINKING WAS THAT YOU GET THAT GROUP OF TOGETHER.
AND, AND IF EVERYBODY AGREES ON THIS, THAT MORE LIKELY THE COMMUNITY, THE COUNCIL, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE WAS AN EXPANSION OF THAT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL POWERS AND DUTIES, SO THE, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE COMMISSION'S SHALL ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE USE OF ANY FUNDS OR FUNDING THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE FROM PRIVATE AND OR PUBLIC SOURCES THAT WILL BENEFIT ANY LOCAL ARTS ACTIVITIES.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT DOES FUNCTION IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY.
SO ULTIMATELY BASED ON THIS LANGUAGE, THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE FINAL DECISIONS REGARDING THE DISPOSITION OF THOSE FUNDS, UH, QUALIFICATIONS FOR A APPOINTMENT.
SO LOOKING AT THAT AND GETTING INTO THE LANGUAGE HERE, IT SAYS THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SHOWN AN INTEREST IN THE ART ARTS ACTIVITIES OF THE CITY AND A PASSION FOR ADVANCING ARTS AND THE CULTURE OF THE CITY.
SO THAT IDENTIFIES, I THINK, GIVES IT A LITTLE MORE OF A BROADER VIEW OF WHAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS MAY BE, UH, THAT, THAT YOU APPOINT IN THERE.
UM, IT ALSO INDICATES THERE'S RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS IS A REQUIREMENT AND ESSENTIALLY, UH, WHAT IT WAS IS THEY DECIDED THAT A CITY RESIDENTS AND, UH, THOSE THAT LIVED IN THE, UH, EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO, I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED CITY RESIDENTS, OF COURSE, THE TAXPAYERS TO HAVE THE SAY WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE GOING IN MANY CASES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT IS A PRETTY TALL ORDER TO GET PEOPLE WITH ALL THIS EXPERTISE.
UH, THE BUSINESS APPOINT, HE WOULD JUST BE A PERSON, HAS A BUSINESS INTEREST AND THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, UH, EMPLOYED IN A BUSINESS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OR THE ETJ, UH, SHALL OWN, OR BE EMPLOYED, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SWAYED BUSINESS INTEREST, UH, WOULD BE THAT PERSON THAT COULD BE APPOINTED IN THAT AND WOULD GIVE THE COUNCIL SOME LEEWAY.
THE TERMS OF OFFICE ARE SIMILAR TO THE OTHER BOARDS, TWO YEAR TERMS, VERY SIMILAR.
AND, UM, AT ABOUT THE ONLY THING WE JUST DID PUT SOME, UH, IT, UH, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, REQUEST, UH, DID PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THAT RECUSAL LANGUAGE IN THERE.
SO UNDERSTANDING IF YOU GET A, UH, PERHAPS AN ARTIST, IT'S AN EXCELLENT ARTIST, YOU MAY WANT THEM TO DO SOMETHING FOR YOU, BUT IF THEY'RE ON THE BOARD, YOU, THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO DISQUALIFY THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO DO IT.
SO THEY WOULD JUST RECUSE THEMSELVES FOR THAT VOTE AND WOULD BE UNDER THIS LANGUAGE, WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN TALKING ABOUT GIFTS AND DONATIONS IN THAT THEY WOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO SOLICIT THOSE.
AND THOSE WOULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME WAY YOU WOULD A GRANT.
AND THEN AGAIN, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THAT AND THE COUNCIL WOULD DECIDE IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY IT, UH, JOB DESCRIPTION IS JUST GETTING INTO A LITTLE MORE VERBIAGE ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT THAT'S THE BASIC, UH, THAT'S THE BASIC UPSHOT OF WHAT WE GOT SO FAR.
SO THANK YOU, PAUL, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CUSTOMER ELLISON? SO I, I THINK, UH, AND CERTAINLY I'LL DEFER FIRST TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE TASK FORCE.
UH, IF THEY WANTED TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO PAUL'S PRESENTATION, GO AHEAD AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SHY ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, THE TASK FORCES WORK ON THIS.
UH, IT'S MYSELF, COUNCILMEMBER RIZZO, COUNCIL MEMBER, FLORIDA, KALE, AND A NUMBER OF STAFF IS, WAS INVOLVED IN THE CREATION OF THESE THREE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
SO, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TASKFORCE AND THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND WE WERE REALLY ADAMANT ABOUT AS WE GOT A GOOD CHUNK OF THINGS, UH, TAKEN CARE OF, WE WANTED TO BRING THE COUNCIL IN ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ANY FEEDBACK, UH, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, THINGS THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T THINK OF, EVEN AMONGST ALL THE HEADS THAT WERE A PART OF THIS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THIS.
SO THIS IS VERY MUCH STILL A DRAFT.
UH, I KNOW TYPICALLY, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONE ABOUT THIS WAY, EVEN WITH AN ORDINANCE, UH, TO KIND OF SHOW THAT, BUT, UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY BY NO MEANS TO SAY A PERFECT SET OF DOCUMENTS, BUT IT IS OUR FIRST GOOD SOLID CRACK AT IT.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WENT INTO THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS, AND I'M GLAD THAT PAUL HIGHLIGHTED A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS, INCLUDING THE INCLUSIVITY ASPECTS OF IT, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET AT,
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AS FAR AS THE ENTIRETY OF THE ARTS COMMISSION, THE HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF THAT AS WELL.UH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO, UH, THIS TASK FORCE IN CREATING THIS COMMISSION, WHICH WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.
AND WE KNOW THE COUNCIL IS AS WELL.
AND HOPEFULLY EVEN OUR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING CAMP FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS SHIELD WOULD COME BACK AROUND AND STILL BE EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
SO ONE THING I WILL SAY IS, UH, WE DEFINITELY PULLED AWAY FROM, UH, THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS WITH THIS, UH, COMMISSION AND HOW WE WERE TRYING TO SET IT UP.
UH, WE LEANED MORE TOWARDS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, BOARD, UH, AS A, UM, AS A KIND OF MARK GROUND, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS AND VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I'LL GIVE PAUL THIS CREDIT.
AND ONE OF OUR EARLY MEETINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHO WOULD MAKE UP THIS BOARD, AND IF YOU SAW THE, UH, VERY FIRST PRESENTATION BY PAUL, UH, WHICH WAS CRAFTED BY HIM AND CITY MANAGER, SCOTT SELLERS, UH, THERE WERE THOSE SEVEN DIFFERENT, UH, OR SIX DIFFERENT, UH, GROUPS, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE UP THIS, THIS, THIS COMMISSION OF ARTISTS.
AND WE REALLY WANTED TO, SIMILAR TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD, WE WANTED TO BRING IN PEOPLE THAT HAD A LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE TO KIND OF HELP US GET THIS OFF THE GROUND.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, INTO PAUL'S POINT IN OUR VERY EARLY TASKFORCE MEETINGS IS WE HAVE TO THINK OF OUR AUDIENCE AS WELL, WHO, WHO WE'RE DOING THIS FOR, AND THAT IS THE CALL RESIDENT OR, AND SURROUNDING AREAS, UH, AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WE WILL NEED THEIR HELP IN HELPING FACILITATE THIS COMMISSION AND ALL THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, UH, WANTED TO INCLUDE, UH, THOSE REPRESENTATIVES AS A PART OF THIS AS, AS, AS WELL, INCLUDING, UH, ONE THING WE WERE MINDFUL OF IS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME, HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD ARTISTS THAT ARE RIGHT HERE IN OUR CITY LIMITS OR ETJ THAT WE'LL WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS, UH, WITH SOME REAL-WORLD EXPERIENCE, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE DISCOUNTED FROM, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE, IF THERE WAS A, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY I'LL JUST SAY THAT IS, IS RECOMMENDED BY THIS COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL, THAT SOMEBODY COULD RECUSE THEMSELVES IF THEY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY, UH, TIE THE HANDS OF OUR ARTISTS THAT WOULD BE HOPING US CREATE THIS AS WELL AS, UH, HELPING US, UM, GET THIS OFF THE GROUND, BUT ALSO MIGHT WANT TO BE ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY WITH, UH, THE INCLUSION STATEMENT AS WELL.
WE WERE MINDFUL OF, UM, INCLUDING AND GIVING A OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE ARTISTS THAT ARE, UH, UH, DON'T HAVE QUITE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE THEIR WORK DISPLAYED OR HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ON THAT, WHETHER THAT BE CHILDREN, UH, FEMALE ARTISTS, MINORITY ARTISTS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN MIND.
UM, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EARLIER ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMISSION.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A RESIDENT, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT IN THE PROFESSION OF ARTS, THEY COULD STILL APPLY FOR ANY OF THESE POSITIONS, WHETHER IT BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE, UM, OF THE SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS, OR IF THEY WOULD APPLY FOR THE EX-OFFICIO MEMBER TO BE, UM, TO GIVE THEIR INPUT ON THAT AS, AS A, AS THEY CALL RESIDENT AND ULTIMATELY THE AUDIENCE OF WHO WE'RE TARGETING.
UH, SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S TO MY UNDERSTANDING STILL AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WERE IN ANY WAY TRYING TO PREVENT THAT.
UH, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER LIAISON, THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY, UH, THOSE THAT SAW THE PRESENTATION FROM PAUL A MONTH AGO, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, THERE WAS, UH, PRESENTED AS A COUNCIL MEMBER BEING A PART OF THE BOARD.
WE DECIDED TO MAKE THAT AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER, SO A NON-VOTING MEMBER.
AND TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN FAVOR OF THAT BEING THE CASE WITH ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST HAVING JOINT MEETINGS WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, KEEPING THEM AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HAVING, UH, THAT CONNECTION THERE.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN GOING TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THE RECEPTION I GET FROM THAT IS EXTREMELY POSITIVE.
SO, UH, I, EVERYONE KNOWS I'M NOT A FAN OF OUR CURRENT BOARD AND COMMISSION POLICY C.
UH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE A WELCOME ADDITION IN MY MIND, TO, TO HELPING STRENGTH THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE WONDERFUL, UH, VOLUNTEERS THAT SERVE ON OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION THAT OFFERED THEIR TIME, UH, TO DO THAT.
UH, BUT CONTINUING TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE TWO AND JUST CREATE ANOTHER AVENUE THERE.
BUT AS I STUDIED AT THE TOP, THIS IS A DRAFT.
THIS IS CERTAINLY US BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS A TASK
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FORCE AND NOT TRYING TO MOVE TOO FAR, TOO FAR AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITHOUT GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.MAYBE, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU ALL WOULD WANT US TO CONSIDER AS WE DRAFT THESE DOCUMENTS.
AND CERTAINLY A COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO FLOOR SCALE, IF Y'ALL WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, UH, BY ALL MEANS, NO, I THINK, UH, YOU, YOU DEFINITELY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ON, UM, THE EXPLANATION, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I, I WANTED TO REALLY EMPHASIZE IS THAT WE ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
UM, WE WANTED YOU TO KNOW WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE, THE COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, UH, WITH THIS, UH, TASK FORCE.
AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT WORK HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED AND, UM, HOPE TO GET Y'ALL'S, UH, FEEDBACK AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOUR APPROVAL ON MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S LISTED AS THE PRESENTATION, BUT SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN VOTE ON IT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY, WELL, WE'RE OPEN TO FEEDBACK.
CERTAINLY WE CAN GET ANY FEEDBACK Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE CUSTOMER TOBY'S.
UM, GOING BACK AGAIN TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ARTS COMMITTEE, HOW READING IT, SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS AND FOUR X MEMBERS, OFFICIALS SHALL BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, THE VOTING MEMBERS WILL BE REQUIRED, REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE AN EXPERTISE.
WHAT TYPE OF DEMONSTRATION ARE WE WANTING TO SHOW ITS FACE HERE AS WELL IN PROFESSIONAL FIELDS OF LIKE, WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP PART OF YOUR, BY OUR, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS, LITERATURE, ARTS, AND SO FORTH, WHAT IS IT THAT A VOTING MEMBER WOULD NEED TO REQUIRE TO DEMONSTRATE TO? AND WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING ON MAYBE AN ART PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE WE WILL WANT TO DISPLAY ON THE CITY OR ANY KIND OF PLASTIC ARTS OR DECORATIVE.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE HEAD RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE COMMISSION TOGETHER, BUT IF WE'RE BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD, AS FAR AS ARTS, UH, THEY'LL MAKE HER THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THE COUNCIL WILL APPROVAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ONGOING TO MAKE IT CLEAR? CAUSE IF I'M WANTING TO APPLY MYSELF AND I'M JUST, I'M THE GUY, YOU KNOW, UH, VOTING MEMBERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE IF I WANT IT TO BE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS COMMISSION, UM, WHAT KIND OF, UH, DEMONSTRATION OR EXPERTISE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO SHOW TO REQUIRE THAT I CAN EITHER VOTE ON ANY OF THOSE, UM, ITEMS THERE.
SO I CAN JUST TAKE A STAB AT THAT.
UM, SO I WOULD THINK IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS AND THE SAME WAY THAT WE INTERVIEW FOR ALL THE BOARDS, IT'S JUST BASICALLY GOING TO BE IN THAT QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD, JUST ASKING THAT INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, AND PERHAPS THEY'RE NOT A PROFESSIONAL ARTIST, BUT PERHAPS THEY'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF THINGS FOR YEARS AND HAVE A VERY ACUTE INTEREST IN A CERTAIN AREA AND JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH, ASKING ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE IN IT, THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY JUST IN THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS, DEMONSTRATING THEIR TO THE SATISFACTION OF THAT COMMITTEE, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO FILL THAT ROLE IN THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING OUT OF THAT ESSENTIALLY.
AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST LANGUAGE, BUT OKAY.
YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, UH, WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES, KALE I'LL CAUSE I'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT.
I WAS GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT TOO, BUT GO AHEAD.
UM, SO I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO, UM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
LIKE THERE IS THERE'S LOOSE TERMINOLOGY AS FAR AS WHAT QUALIFICATIONS ARE, AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT BROUGHT UP BY IN THE COMMENT SECTIONS.
AND EVEN NOW, IF WE WANT TO, AS YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY AS A DICE, WHEN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF QUALIFICATIONS WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON THERE, UM, I'M, UH, I'M OPEN TO THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW, AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, WHEN WE DO OUR INTERVIEWS, THE, THE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERVIEWING ARE THE ONES THAT DO, UH, REALLY THE QUALIFICATIONS TO SEE IF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY QUALIFY OR NOT.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T, IT, IT KIND OF, UM, WE, I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT PORTRAIT RIGHT THERE WOULD MAKE IT SEEM LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO EXCLUDE ANYBODY BY NOT DEFINING IT, BECAUSE IF NOTHING ELSE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS IS BE, UM, MORE INCLUSIVE THAN WE'VE EVER BEEN.
WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLES FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT WAS, WE DIDN'T THINK TO, YOU KNOW, DEFINE IT OR TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE EXPERIENCE COMES IN ALL KINDS OF LEVELS.
AND SO I THINK, UM, AS PAUL SAID, WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO DO IT DURING THE PROCESS AS, AS WE CURRENTLY DO, BUT BY NO MEANS, DO I WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING EXCLUDED OR THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE EXCLUSIVE EX EXCLUDING IN THIS
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PROCESS BECAUSE, UH, WE MADE IT A POINT TO, TO, TO INCLUDE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.SO, SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY SUGGESTIONS, UM, I WE'RE TOTALLY OPEN TO IT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRIED, WE WERE REALLY, I'M NOT JUST CAUSE I'M ON THE TASK FORCE, BUT I LIKE TO SAY WE ARE A REALLY COOL GROUP OF PEOPLE.
SO, UH, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY KIND OF SUGGESTIONS.
AND THEN WE WORKED REALLY WELL TOGETHER.
I CONCUR AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE POSITIONS MENTIONED WOULD BE A PART OF THE COMMISSION.
I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT BOAT, THAT BOAT IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
UH, THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT VOTE IS.
AND SO WE WERE VERY COGNIZANT AND LIKE, AS I MENTIONED, WE WERE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM WHAT OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WE HAVE AND BE MORE LIKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD, UH, WHICH IS A BOARD THAT IS NOT COMPRISED OF CITIZENS.
AND IT IS COMPRISED OF PEOPLE THAT, UH, HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THAT FIELD, UH, TO TRY TO GET THE BEST UNDERSTANDING AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THAT DISCIPLINE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I, WE WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ANY AND ALL CITIZENS TO, UH, APPLY FOR THAT, FOR THOSE POSITIONS, INCLUDING THE CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE, UH, POSITIONS, EVEN THOUGH YOU WON'T HAVE A VOTE ON WHATEVER THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD IN THAT.
AND THOSE WOULD BE PUBLIC MEETINGS JUST LIKE, UH, OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, OPEN TO ANY, UH, FEEDBACK ON THE LANGUAGE AND NEEDS SUGGESTIONS, UM, COMMENTS ON THAT.
UH, BUT WE, WE WANTED TO TACKLE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THIS ONE, GETTING PEOPLE THAT WERE, UH, ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE AND HELP US GET THIS OFF THE GROUND, UH, WITH AN, AN AREA AND LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING IN THE ARTS CULTURE AND INDUSTRY, UH, BUT AS WELL BEING, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHO OUR AUDIENCE IS, AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY THE CALL RESONANT, MAKE A PRO TIP.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS'S, UH, TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS, UH, COMMISSION FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MODEL.
UH, I'M CURIOUS THOUGH, UM, IT SAYS APPOINTEES FOR THE QUALIFICATION OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS APPOINTEE SHALL HAVE RESIDED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OR EXTRA CHAR EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY FOR A MINIMUM OF 12 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS PRIOR TO THEIR APPOINTMENT FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
IS THAT THE SAME RULE OR DO WE HAVE MEMBERS WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE ETJ? I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO I WANT TO SAY THAT WE WEREN'T TRYING TO, UH, DUPLICATE EXACTLY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
WE WEREN'T TRYING TO DUPLICATE WHAT ARE OTHER BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS.
WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A MEDIUM OF ALL THE THINGS WE LIKED ABOUT THOSE, THOSE VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO ALL, UH, ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE THAT 12 A MONTH RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT WITH, I GUESS, THE EXCEPTION OF PNC, WHICH WE FOUND OUT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, BUT SO THAT, THAT IS THE GOAL WITH THAT.
WE STILL WANTED TO BE RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE OF EITHER THE, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OR WITHIN THE ETJ TO MAKE UP THIS BOARD.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE SO MUCH LIKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD WHERE IT COULD BE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUT MAYBE ARE PROFESSIONALS IN THE CITY.
UH, THIS ONE YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, A RESIDENT, UH, FOR THOSE SEVEN POSITIONS THAT THEY'RE VOTING.
UH, AND THEN I GUESS ALL, BUT THE BUSINESS ONE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE WITHOUT THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT KIND OF CAME ALONG.
WELL, I GUESS, UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO EXPANDING THE AREA IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALS IN THE ARTS, UM, AND EXPANDING IT TO THE REGION SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT WE HAVE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND NOT PUTTING, BECAUSE I GUESS I JUST DON'T SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITY LIMITS AND EXTRA TUTORIAL, UH, JURISDICTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE REGIONAL AND MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER, UH, EVEN EVEN BETTER, UH, MIX OF PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS AND OPINIONS FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND OR, OR ALLOCATE TO THE ARTS.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY FEEDBACK ON THAT.
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SO ARE YOU JUST TO CLARIFY, SO YOU MAYBE SUGGESTING COUNTY-WIDE, I I'M, I'M SUGGESTING REGIONALLY, SO HOWEVER YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO DEFINE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, THE IDEA WAS TO MODEL IT AFTER, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOES THAT ROUTE.CAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE BEST PROFESSIONALS TO SIT ON THAT BOARD.
UM, THERE COULD BE SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, ARTISTS TO CONTRIBUTE THIS COMMISSION, UM, WHO HAVE GREAT EXPERTISE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
AND I WOULD HATE TO US LIMIT OURSELVES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO CITY LIMITS AND WE'RE GOING BEYOND CITY LIMITS, THEN TO ME, YOU GO BEYOND ETJ BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, AND YOU JUST, YOU LOOK AT LEAST REGIONALLY AND YOU TRY TO FIND THE BEST PEOPLE TO SIT ON THIS BOARD TO GIVE YOU THE, THE OPTIMAL, UH, RETURN ON, ON THE EXPERIENCE AND PROFESSIONALISM THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
CERTAINLY I WOULD SAY WE DID KICK AROUND THE COUNTY AS A, UH, AREA TO INCLUDE, I WILL SAY WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD WHILE THERE ISN'T A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, THEY STILL HAVE TO DO BUSINESS IN KYLE.
SO IT'S ALL STILL FILE RELATED.
AND THAT'S WHY ULTIMATELY WE DECIDED TO GO AWAY FROM THE COUNTY AND, AND TASKFORCE, CORRECT ME IF I'M EXPRESSING THIS WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO KEEP IT EITHER CITY LIMITS OR ETJ ANYTHING WITH KYLE TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD GET AS FAR AS, UM, THAT TALENT POOL.
AND WE TRULY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LARGE TALENT POOL WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND WITHIN THE ETJ, UH, TO PULL FROM AND STILL MAKE IT RELATIVE TO KYLE'S.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT EXACTLY LIKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD, UH, BUT EVEN WITH THAT ONE, IT IS, UH, THEY STILL HAVE TO DO BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY OF KYLE.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS JUST A KYLE REFERENCE BACK TO THAT, OH, EVERYTHING COMES BACK TO KYLE IN SOME WAY.
AND CERTAINLY I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A TALENT POOL FURTHER OUTSIDE OF OUR ETJ, BUT, UH, WE FELT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PULLED FROM AND FOCUSED ON THE COLLAR AREA.
IF I COULD JUST TOUCH BASE ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO DO WE WANT IN THIS AND WHAT REGION DO WE WANT? SO WE DID DISCUSS THIS.
THE, WHAT WE AGREED UPON AT THE END ULTIMATELY IS ETJ BECAUSE WE'RE A GROWING CITY AND RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO THE TAXPAYERS.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING TAXPAYERS MONEY THAT'S WHO WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON.
SO WE DID ALLOW FOR THE BUSINESS PERSON TO COME IN AND, BUT NOT BE A VOTING BECAUSE OUR REALLY OUR FOCUS WAS ON, UM, THE RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, BECAUSE WE KNOW EVENTUALLY MOST OF OUR ETJ IS GOING TO BE GROWN INTO, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO EXCLUDE THEM.
UM, BUT THERE WAS EXCESSIVE TALK ABOUT HOW FAR OUT WE WANTED TO GO.
LIKE, DID WE WANT TO GO UNITED STATES? DO WE WANT TO GO, YOU KNOW, TEXAS? UM, AND WE, SO JUST AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE THINKING WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO KEEP IT KYLE BASED, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
AND THIS IS WHY DRAFT IS STAMPED ACROSS IT, BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS JUST A DRAFT.
AND SO OUR IDEAS ARE COMPLETELY WELCOME.
AND THEN WE'RE OPEN TO ANY OF THAT.
AND REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS A ROUGH DRAFT.
WHY DON'T YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KEL, JUST TALK ABOUT, WE'RE STILL NEEDING COUNCIL FEEDBACK.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, UH, GONNA ALL GIVE INPUT ON AND HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION.
WE'RE CREATE A BEAUTIFUL ART DISTRICT HERE FOR OUR CITY.
AND AS A COUNCIL, WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD, WE MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING, THEN WE TALK ABOUT IT AND WE DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A TASK FORCE, WE DID TALK ABOUT IT.
WE, UM, IT'S NOT SET IN STONE.
IT'S JUST OUR OVER BRINGING FORWARD TO COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, ANY CHANGES OR RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS THE TIME TO DO THOSE AND MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER.
WHAT IF THEY LIVE IN THE KYLIE TJ, BUT THEY HAVE A BUDA.
WE DISCUSSED THAT AND WE WERE OKAY WITH IT.
WELL, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, I'M I'M, I'M STILL GOING.
SO THE ART THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE BUYING OR, OR COMMISSIONING, UM, IS IT ONLY GOING TO BE AWARDED TO KYLE RESIDENTS? SO THEY'RE GOING TO BUY ART FROM ARTISTS OUTSIDE OF CLASS.
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LOOKING TO CREATE ART.AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO HELP YOU FIND THAT ART HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE CITY OR THE ETJ, BUT YET WE CAN AWARD THE CONTRACTS FOR THE ART WE ARE PURCHASING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
SO I CAN GET AN ARTIST FROM PARIS.
I CAN GET OURS FROM CALIFORNIA.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YOUR MISSION.
WHY IS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE COUNCIL? SO IF THE COMMISSION OF KYLE RESIDENTS IN CALA FILETED, PEOPLE WANT TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE PURCHASE ART FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, UM, FROM PARIS, FOR YOUR EXAMPLE, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT, THAT, THAT COMMISSION, UH, I GUESS WE WOULD HAVE TO CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT, UH, AND DEBATE THAT IF THAT CAME FORWARD, BUT THE IDEA, AND CERTAINLY ONE THING WE W WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IS THAT WE, THERE NEEDS TO BE BYLAWS CREATED FOR THIS COMMISSION AS WELL.
AND SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT CREATING THOSE OURSELVES, BUT WE SAID, NO, WE SHOULD ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO BE FORMED.
AND THEN THOSE BYLAWS WOULD BE RATIFIED BY THE COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO WE'D HAVE OUR, UH, THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE, UH, THE SAY AS WELL ON THOSE BYLAWS OF FINDING IT BEING APPROVED.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT THIS TO BE, IS KYLE FOCUSED IS POSSIBLE.
SO EVEN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY MEMBER, WHILE THEY WON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO LIVE HERE, THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE, DO HAVE DONE BUSINESS WITHIN KYLE OR CURRENTLY DOING BUSINESS IN FIRE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS CLOSELY FOCUSED, AS CALM AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF A COMMISSION THAT'S CLOSELY FOCUSED AT COLLEGE POSSIBLE TELLS US TO BUY SOME ART FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.
UH, THAT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALMOST BE THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND HELP PROMOTE LOCAL ARTISTS.
SO, UM, WELL, I, I GAVE YOU AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, BUT DALLAS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT OF AN EXAMPLE.
IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE KYLE CENTRIC.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, CAUSE I WANT TO KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO ONLY PURCHASE ART OR ONLY COMMISSION ARTISTS WITHIN THE ETJ, OR IS THIS COMMISSION GOING TO LOOK FOR ARTISTS OUTSIDE OF THE AREA? SO IF I CAN ANSWER THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO WHAT COUNCIL HAS TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON.
IT WILL JUST MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE CHOICES THAT THE COMMISSION MAKES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS HOW DO WE WANT THIS COMMISSION TO LOOK AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT THEY DECIDE TO BUY FROM DIFFERENT PLACES? THAT'S WHAT THE NET GROUP THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I GET YOUR CONCERN.
IT'S A WAY THAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH AND GIVE YOU THE FEEDBACK.
SO IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER PART ON HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT RECUSAL AND RECUSING YOURSELF BASED ON CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
SO IF WE ARE GOING TO ONLY WANT TO HIRE ARTISTS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OR WITHIN THE ETJ, THEN THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST BECAUSE THESE ARTISTS WHO ARE ON THESE COMMISSIONS, WELL, THERE'LL BE A LIMITED POOL.
THEY WILL WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN CREATING THIS ART THAT WE'LL BE PAYING FOR.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH IT BY BASED WHO'S ON IT, AND THEN WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUY OUR ART.
SO IF EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE KYLE CENTRIC AND THE ART THAT WE PURCHASE IS GOING TO BE FROM WITHIN KYLE, THEN I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE'RE HANDICAPPING OURSELVES OR CREATING THE POSSIBILITIES FOR A LOT OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HIRE FROM LOCAL ARTISTS, OKAY.
WE'RE JUST BUILDING THE COMMISSION AND THEN WHAT THAT COMMISSION DOES AND WHERE THEY BUY FROM THAT.
AND THEN THAT WOULD MIGHT MAYBE INCLUDED IN THE BYLAWS OR IN, IN WHATEVER.
AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE THE SAY.
SO IF, IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST, THEY JUST GIVE US GUIDANCE.
AND THEN AS THE DAYAS, WE'LL DECIDE IF WE WANT TO PURCHASE, OR IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ART THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A LEGIT QUESTION, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S A LITTLE IN THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK IT'S THE NEXT STEP AFTER WE BUILD THIS COMMISSION, BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS COMMISSION OR THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE LOCAL.
THEREFORE THEY JUST GOING TO THINK LOCALLY THAT WE CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IS DURING THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? OR ARE WE GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS? AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SERVE ON THE COMMISSION, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE TO WORK ON THE ART THAT IS COMING? YES.
AND SO YES, IF YOU HAVE YOUR ART AND YOU WANT TO SELL IT, WE'RE SAYING YES, AND YOU JUST HAVE TO RECUSE YOURSELF, THAT'S IT.
DID YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION,
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UH, ON HOW YOU WOULD ALLEVIATE YOUR CONCERN? UM, NO.I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M ASKING HOW CENTRIC IT IS.
IS IT CENTRIC IN THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSIONERS OR THE, THE APPOINTEES, YOU KNOW, BEING LOCAL OR IS, IS THE GOAL TO BUY ART LOCALLY? CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE CONFLICT ARISE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IF IT'S MADE UP OF LOCAL ARTISTS WHO ARE BUYING ART FROM WHEREVER, THEN I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND, AND COMMISSIONING ARTISTS OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, MAYBE ON OCCASION WITHIN THE AREA, THEN I DON'T SEE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT MANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ARISE.
BUT IF THE GOAL OF THE COMMISSION IS TO ONLY BUY ART WITHIN THE AREA, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARTISTS YOU WANT ON THE COMMISSION ITSELF, BECAUSE EITHER THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR THE ONES THAT ARE ON THERE ARE INELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE.
SO I GUESS I WOULD, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? TASKFORCE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF YOU HAVE, UH, THE SEVEN DIFFERENT AREAS OF, OF, UH, EXPERIENCE EXPERTISE, HOW, UH, FOR ALL THOSE DIFFERENT GROUPS, SO SAY THIS IS JUST ONE ASPECT OF IT BECAUSE THE COMMISSION WILL BE DOING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, NOT JUST MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON BUYING PIECES OF ART.
UH, THERE WILL BE PROGRAMMING RECOMMENDATIONS.
THERE'LL BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION COULD DO OR, AND COME UP WITH IDEAS TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL.
SO SAY YOU HAVE A, UH, PROJECT WHERE YOU WANT A SCULPTURE DONE.
THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THAT, OF THOSE SEVEN ETHICS, UH, PROFESSIONAL OR EXPERIENCED PEOPLE.
IF THEY'RE A SCULPTOR, ONLY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES.
AND THEN THE OTHER SIX WOULD BE THE ONES MAKING DECISION ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT ONE SCULPTOR ON THE, ON THE, ON THIS COMMISSION MAY SAY, OKAY, I WANT TO, UH, APPLY TO BE THE SCULPTOR FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO THEN THAT WOULD BE THEIR, THEIR RECUSAL, HOPEFULLY THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE ONES IN THE AREA AS WELL.
SO IT WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T BE THE ONLY SCULPTOR IN, IN THE REGION OR IN, WITHIN EACH, EACH GAME IN, IN, UH, SAME THING WITH SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE, ANY OF THE OTHER, UH, FIELDS OF LITERATURE, YOU KNOW, SAY THERE'S A POETRY SLAM OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW, UH, THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE HIMSELF.
BUT I THINK THE GOAL WITH THIS, AND I GUESS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS TASK FORCE HAD WAS TO PROMOTE LOCAL ARTISTS AND PEOPLE WITHIN OUR AREA AND, AND, AND WITHIN THE ETJ OR JUST WITHIN THE REGION, UH, AND TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THOSE ARTISTS AND GIVE THEM A PLATFORM.
BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE ONE ASPECT OF IT.
THIS IS ALSO GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO AS FAR AS PROJECTS GO IN DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THIS THAT MAY NOT REQUIRE AN ARTISTS BEING INVOLVED AT ALL.
SO THERE, THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THIS COMMISSION COULD TASKFORCE AS IT IS RELATIVE TO ART, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO I GUESS I DON'T SEE MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVING TO RECUSE THEMSELVES BASED ON THE MAKEUP OF THIS COMMISSION, BECAUSE EACH MONTH WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT AREA THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE FOCUSED ON, OR THEY, THEY BRING EXPERIENCE FROM.
SO IF THERE IS A PROJECT THAT COMES UP IN WHICH IT IS THAT CASE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HIRE A COMMISSION AND ARTISTS TO DO SOME THING, THEN IT REALLY WOULD, SHOULD BE ONLY ONE PERSON AT A TIME IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES, NOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ON WHERE WE'RE GETTING ART.
I I'M ALL FOR PROMOTING LOCAL ARTISTS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO AS A CITY.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME ARTISTS OUT THERE THAT HAVE, UH, KYLE TIES THAT PROBABLY DON'T LIVE IN CALIMORE.
I KNOW A COUNSELOR WHERE TOBY HAS A REALLY GOOD FRIEND IN COLORADO WHO GREW UP HERE IN KYLE THAT, UH, IS A GREAT ARTIST AND WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SCOPE SOMETHING AMAZING FOR THE CITY, FROM HER MEMORY, OR SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S LIMITING OURSELVES.
THERE WAS SOMETHING I DIDN'T SEE MYSELF DOING, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN PROMOTING LOCAL ARTISTS AND, AND BRINGING THEM UP, BUT ALSO NOT LIMITING OURSELVES IN THAT ASPECT.
OR WE CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, GO OUTSIDE AND SEE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE.
WHAT, WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE THE ART IN COL UNIQUE AND, AND MAKE IT A PART OF THE HISTORY, PART OF WHAT THE NEW, WHAT OLD KYLE WAS WHEN YOU CALL IS, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS AND LOOK AT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LIMIT OURSELVES ON WHERE WE GET OUR ART, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE DO NEED TO PROMOTE LOCAL ARTISTS, BUT, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT THEY'RE LOCAL ARTISTS, IT'S NOT JUST THE LOCAL ARTISTS ARE MOVING IN.
IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE GREW UP IN COLLEEN MOVED OUT
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SO WE CAN KEEP THAT MINDSET AS WELL.SO I THINK, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THE COMMISSION AND WHICH WAY W WHAT DIRECTION, WHAT FEEDBACK WE NEED TO ADD, UH, AS WE'RE BUILDING THIS COMMISSION.
AND THEN WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE BYLAWS RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN PUT MORE FEEDBACK INTO, BECAUSE MY THOUGHTS THAT WAS GOOD.
UM, I DO HAVE A VERY LONGTIME FRIEND THAT IS A, UM, ARTISTS IN COLORADO.
AND, UM, IT'D BE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THEY'RE NOT, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHERE THIS ART WOULD COME FROM IS LOCALLY OR SOMEBODY THAT WAS A FORMER RESIDENCE OR IN THE AREA, IF THEY ARE, UH, IN OTHER PLACES TOO, WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THEIR ART AND SEE IF IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SUIT THE CITY FOR THE GOLD STANDARD THAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT.
UM, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THREE OF YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN START NARROWING IT DOWN AND FILTERING OUT, UH, THE WAY WE WANT THIS TO GO.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.
UH, BUT I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR EFFORTS IN BRINGING THIS FORWARD, GUYS.
AND MA'AM, CAN I JUST SAY, I NEVER, I GUESS I DIDN'T THINK THAT FAR, BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A DECISION THAT WE WOULD MAKE THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER ART IS PURCHASED OR AGREED UPON WOULD.
THAT WAS NOT WHAT OUR INTENT WAS.
OUR INTENT WAS JUST TO CREATE A COMMITTEE AND THEN THAT COMMITTEE CAN DECIDE WHAT OR WHATEVER IT IS THEY THINK THEY CAN BRING TO US TO DECIDE IF WE, AS A CITY WANT THAT OR NOT.
SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I GUESS MY MIND JUST WASN'T THAT FAR OUT OF THERE YET.
WELL, MY FEEDBACK IS I THINK THE QUESTION'S RELEVANT OF AN IVR BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BY ALL OF YOU, I THINK MAYBE IN DIFFERENT WAYS, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION IS.
UH, AND I'VE HEARD THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO SUPPORT LOCAL ARTISTS OR TO SUPPORT LOCAL ART.
AND FOR MYSELF, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT HOW IT ORIGINATED.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH LOCAL ARTISTS OR SUPPORTING LOCAL ART OR TRYING TO GET LOCAL PEOPLE TO BE ON A BOARD OR A COMMISSION.
REALLY, NONE OF THAT WAS RELEVANT.
WHAT WAS RELEVANT WAS A DESIRE TO TAKE SOME AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AND SPEND IT TOWARDS THE CREATION OF ART IN THE VERY BEST POSSIBLE ART THAT WE COULD BY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT OUR ABILITY AS A COUNCIL, TO WADE, THROUGH ISSUES SUCH AS ART, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SPEND TWO HOURS DEBATING A PIECE, AND MAYBE THAT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BEST.
SO MY HOPE FOR THE COMMISSION IS THAT IT WOULD BECOME VERY, A VERY, VERY GOOD BODY AT, UH, ELEVATING THE STANDARD FOR WHAT ART EVEN IS CERTAINLY NOT TO PUT ON EVENTS.
UM, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET CONTRACTS FOR EACH OTHER.
IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A BOARD OR A COMMISSION THAT WE CAN POINT TO IN LIKE THAT GROUP, RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO HELP US GET REALLY, REALLY GREAT ART FOR THE CITY WHERE THE ART COMES FROM, YOU KNOW, IS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE.
BUT QUALIFICATIONS, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ARTS COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, ART IS THE DEFINITION OF ART IS THAT IT IS SUBJECTIVE.
SO IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO, YOU KNOW, TO CAUSE ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. BUT IF WE'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE THINK THE BEST ART SHOULD BE, OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE LOCAL OR WHAT THE PRIORITY SHOULD BE, THEN THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FUN, A FUN BOARD.
I'M GOING TO GO HAVE SOME FUN, FUN DAYS AND YEARS AHEAD OF A NICE DRAMA AND A CONTROVERSY OVER DIFFERENT PIECES OF ART.
UH, I CAN JUST SEE IT ALL COMING.
SO I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION TO THAT.
YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE VISION STATEMENT OR THE CARL, OUR COMMISSION MISSION STATEMENT, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO FROM THERE BECAUSE IF YOU READ IT, IT IS KIND OF VAGUE.
THE VISION STATEMENT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE MISSION STATEMENT WHERE THE MISSION STATEMENT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT IS A MISSION OF THE KYLE ART COMMITTEE TO ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL, THE NEEDS OF THE ARTISTIC AND CULTURAL COMMUNITY TO PROMOTE THE CITY'S HISTORY, DIVERSE CULTURE, AND SENSE OF PLACE TO ENCOURAGE AND PROMOTE ARTS PROGRAMS AND EVENTS THAT ENGAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES TO BUILD A FLOURISHING AND VIBRANT ARTS AND CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT PROVIDE ADVICE TO ARTISTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS BY SPONSORING EVENTS PROGRAMS, AND TO ADVISE A CITY COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO POSSIBLE SOURCES OF FUNDING.
SO WHEN I READ THAT, I THINK, OKAY, WE DO WANT TO, UM, GO BACK TO THE CITY'S HISTORY AND MAYBE WE GO TO, UM, DALLAS AND SAY, OH, WE FOUND THIS REALLY COOL PICTURE OF, UM, A RAILROAD TRACK.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S LIMITING WHERE WE BUY OR PURCHASE OUR STUFF.
IT JUST FOCUSES ON WHAT OUR ART IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO DECORATE
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OUR CITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING LIMITING ABOUT THAT STATEMENT AT ALL.
IT WAS VERY UNLIMITED IN ITS STATEMENT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S EVERY POSSIBLE FACET OF ARTS OR EVENTS OR EVERYTHING.
I'M LIKE, W W WHAT IS THIS COMMISSION AGAIN? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE COMMISSION GOING TO BE DOING? HOW HAS IT, HOW HAS IT FORMED? IS THE COMMISSION GOING TO GET ITS OWN BUDGET? IS IT GOING TO BE PUTTING ON EVENTS? UH, CAUSE I, YOU SAID EVENTS IN THERE.
SO I'M LIKE, I JUST, WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS FOCUS ON MAKING SURE THAT THIS COMMISSION IS FULFILLS THE BASE FUNCTION FIRST, WHICH IS TO HELP US BUY AND ACQUIRE REALLY GOOD ART FOR OUR CITY.
AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE CAN HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY FEEDBACK.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE CHANGE THEN THAT WE COULD, CAUSE THIS IS GOOD FEEDBACK, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND HAVE TO BRING IT ALL BACK.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION OR IT, OR THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL TO, WOULD IT BE TO NARROW THE SCOPE TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, MAYOR, WOULD IT BE TO, UH, TAKE AWAY THE RESIDENCY, WOULD IT, AND OPEN IT UP TO JUST, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT CAN HELP US ACHIEVE THAT GOAL THAT YOU JUST STATED OF FINDING THE BEST ART AND THAT WE CAN PUT IN OUR CITY.
W WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE OTHER, FOR OUR COLLEAGUES THAT WE COULD TAKE BACK TO OUR TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND TRY TO BREAK THROUGH THOSE IDEAS? WELL, IF I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, HOW COULD THE ARTS COMMISSION PROVIDE THE MOST VALUE TO ME AS MAYOR OR AS CITIZEN, IT WOULD BE THAT THEY COULD, TH THE COMMISSION COULD DO THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T, WHICH THEY COULD DEVOTE THE TIME TO REALLY WORKING WITH THE ARTISTS RE YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH REVISED DRAWINGS AND PLANS, DOING INTERVIEWS WITH MULTIPLE ARTISTS, FIGURING OUT MAYBE LIKE AN ARTS PLAN, YOU KNOW, HELPING US FIGURE OUT WHERE DO WE WANT TO PUT OUR FIRST PIECE OF ART AND WHY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UH, I THINK THE COMMISSION WOULD BE GREAT AT, YOU KNOW, HELPING US.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE HISTORY, WHAT'S THE THEME, OR, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE, I THINK, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO OTHER THAN SAY BY THIS, BUT, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S SORT OF THE VEIN THAT I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD REALLY NEVER DEVIATE FROM.
AND THAT'S HELPING US TO, TO DO LIKE, JUST HAVE A TOP, TOP RATED ART PROGRAM HERE WHERE WE REALLY GIVE OUT RESOURCES TOWARDS THE CREATION OF ART THAT ENDURES FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
I'M NOT AN ARTIST, SO I, I'M NOT I'M, I'M JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE MEMBER ON THE BOARD OR ANYTHING.
SO I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CAPABLE.
I JUST, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
WE'RE GOING BACK AROUND TO OUR, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MISSION STATEMENT AND THE ORDINANCE AND THE JOB DESCRIPTION.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE? WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENTLY? THE ONES THAT WE PROVIDED IN THE BACKUP, WHEN YOU GUYS READ IT, WHAT DO YOU LOOK AT IT AND BE LIKE, EH, DON'T LIKE IT, MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE TOO VAGUE SPECIFY THIS, BECAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS IN THERE.
AND SO I, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT US TO REMOVE OR WHAT YOU WANT US TO ADD.
WE ARE NOT A CA WE'RE NOT THE COMMITTEE.
WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING THE COMMITTEE, WHICH THEN WHY THINK WE'LL HAVE THE TASK TO BUY SPECIFIC, UM, ART AND PUT IT IN, IN SPECIFIC AREAS.
I COMPLETELY AGREE, BUT I THINK THAT WE ARE JUST AT THE START LINE, WE'RE JUST STARTING THIS OUT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THESE COMMITTEES.
AND SO WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? SO IF I CAN ASK YOU, LIKE, IN THE VISION MISSION STATEMENT, WHAT ABOUT THAT? CAN WE CHANGE IF I COULD JUST ADD, UH, ADD SOMETHING JUST PRIOR TO THAT? UM, SO I DO THINK IF, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS COMMISSION THAT, THAT THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED IS STRUCTURED TO BE A COMMISSION THAT HAS A BUDGET ANNUALLY AND ALSO SOLICITS AND DONATIONS, AND THAT TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THEN ANNUALLY MEETS WITH ARTISTS AND GRANTS FUNDS TO EXECUTE PROJECTS.
BUT I THINK THE LANGUAGE IN HERE ALSO IS DIRECTED TOWARD OTHER TYPES OF THINGS BEYOND ART.
SO AT LEAST THE WAY I READ THIS, IT COULD BE A GROUP FROM AUSTIN.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE SYMPHONY THERE, YOU MAY GET THEM AND SOME OTHER FOLKS AND SOME LOCAL FOLKS AND PUT ON A, UM, UH, UH, CULTURAL SERIES OF MUSIC AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I SEE THIS LANGUAGE.
SO THAT'S THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY TO THE COUNCIL THAT IF, IF WE WANT THIS TO, CAUSE THIS COULD REALLY BE CLEANED UP, IF WE'RE WHAT TO JUST KIND
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OF DEVOTED TO ART, PERMANENT ART IN PERMANENT ART, WHATEVER, THAT'S MORE OF THOSE VISUAL STRUCTURES LIKE THAT, THEN WE COULD REALLY CHANGE THIS LANGUAGE A LOT MORE TO, TO TIGHTEN THAT UP.AND THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT.
I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO ART.
THEN WE'RE MISSING WHAT AN ART COMMISSION IS WHEN I GO TO CITIES AND I SEE THE ARTWORK THERE.
IT'S AMAZING WHEN I GO UP AND DOWN THE STREETS, BUT THEN ALSO LOOK AT THE PROGRAMMING THAT'S THERE.
WHEN I LOOK AT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ENJOYING PLAYS IN, IN A DESIGNATED AREA, THAT'S, TO ME IS PART OF THE ARTS AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT ASPECTS.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT ON AN EVENT FAIR ON THE SQUARE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A SQUEEZE BOX EVENT.
I LOOK AT THAT WHAT THE PROGRAMMING THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE CITY.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH LIMITING, JUST ON BUYING ART.
WHAT IS ART AND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS CITY? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT IS OUR END GOAL? ARE WE LOOKING AT JUST HAVING BEAUTIFUL MONUMENTS DOWNTOWN OR THROUGHOUT THE CITY? OR ARE WE LOOKING AT PROMOTING NOT JUST COMING INTO THE GATEWAY, BUT ALSO, UH, WHAT'S AROUND THERE.
I LOOK AT PLACES LIKE CARMEL, INDIANA, WHERE YOU GO IN THERE AND THERE'S BEAUTIFUL ART ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH DINNERS, GREAT PROGRAMMING, AND THOSE WORK TOGETHER.
THEY, UH, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY MAKE THE ART WORLD AND THAT CITY STRONGER.
AND IT, IT, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT I THAT'S JUST MY FEEDBACK ON IT.
I DON'T THINK WE WERE TRYING TO BE NARROW.
I THINK WE WERE FOR ART, AS WE ALL KNOW, ART IS MUSIC AND IT'S PAINTING AND IT'S COOKING AND IT'S, IT'S A VARIETY OF THINGS.
SO WE WEREN'T TRYING, MY POINT IS THAT THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS.
YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE.
YOU CAN APPLY ART IN THE MAJORITY OF OUR, YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR LIVES AND STUFF.
SO GOING BACK, I THINK THERE WAS SIX OF THEM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO IT WASN'T SUPER VAGUE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD, I THINK IT WAS SIX COMPONENTS.
IS THAT CORRECT, PAUL? THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED? I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS.
SO YES, THERE IS AN URBAN PLANNING OR ARCHITECTURAL PERSON THAT WOULD BE IN THERE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE, THAT'S A GREAT POINT, IF YOU THINK SEVEN IS TOO BIG OF A NUMBER, THEN WE NARROW IT DOWN TO SOMEBODY SMALL, BUT THAT'S THAT'S FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN USE AND GO AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL TAKE OUT THIS ART OR THAT ART.
SO, BUT IS THIS COMMISSION GOING TO BE TASKED WITH CREATING AN EVENT IF THEY, WHAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO WHAT IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO HOLD.
UM, WE WANT TO HOLD, UH, WHERE YOU GO AND YOU DISPLAY YOUR ART.
BUT THAT'S NOT FOR US TO PLAN OUT THAT'S FOR THAT COMMITTEE TO DECIDE DEBRIS IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, WE JUST, WE HAVE A LOT OF TEA.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT PUT ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS AND EVERY SINGLE EVENT THAT THEY PUT ON HAS AN ARTISTIC COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, SO THERE ARE LIBRARY EVENTS, THERE ARE EVENTS, DEPARTMENT EVENTS THERE, THEIR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT EVENTS.
THERE ARE COMMUNICATIONS EVENTS, ALL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF ART, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT.
AND SO IT'S JUST ONE MORE, YOU KNOW, WAY OF SPLITTING UP HOW WE, HOW WE DO EVENTS.
SO IF THERE'S LIKE A POETRY SLAM AT THE ARCHIVE HAS GOT TALENT, IS THAT ART AND WHO, WHO, WHO RUNS KYLE'S GOT TALENT? IS THIS COMMISSION GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THESE THINGS NOW WHERE THEY'RE THEIR EVENT PLANNING? NO, THEY'RE NOT EVENT PLANNING.
THEY'RE JUST GIVING US RECOMMENDATIONS.
SAY, WE COULD SAY WE HAVE A, WE HAVE THE PIE IN THE SKY FESTIVAL.
WHEN HAVE WE DID A BOOK READING SOMEWHERE ASIDE FOR KIDS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY COULD DO A RECOMMENDATION AS A COUNCIL.
WE COULD DECIDE IF WE WANT TO ADD THAT TO THAT EVENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THEM PLANNING, HUGE EVENTS AND, AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT I DO SEE SMALL PROGRAMMING.
LIKE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON, SAY WE CREATE AN ART DISTRICT HERE AND WE'VE GOT FAMILIES COMING OUT AND SEEING WHAT, AND THEY COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
WELL MAYBE ON TUESDAY NIGHTS, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE WITH A GUITAR, JUST PLAYING SOME MUSIC OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, NOTHING MAJOR WHEN NOT A FULL BLOWN EVENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LOCAL ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE IN OUR TOWN.
WHY NOT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE HAVE SOMETHING, HAVE THEM COME OUT AND DO SOMETHING DURING ONE OF OUR EVENTS.
BUT REALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ART, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF ART YOU WANT TO SEE IN YOUR CITY.
AND THAT'S THE STATUES AND, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ENTAILS WITH THAT.
BUT I MEAN, WE CAN LIMIT THE SCOPE IF WE WANT THIS.
THIS IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE, NOT FOR THREE TASK MEMBERS, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE WITH FEEDBACK.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT FEEDBACK AND MOVE FORWARD POSSIBLY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S GIVE US SOME, UH, YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME GREAT FEEDBACK.
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AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND SEE WHERE WE CAN COME UP FROM AND SEE WHAT THIS COMMISSION WILL LOOK LIKE.MY, MY, UH, RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD BE TO LIMIT THE SCOPE TO, TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF PERMANENT ART THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIZZO.
I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO START WITH A NARROWED SCOPE, FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS OF THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN EXPAND MOVING FORWARD.
CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH YOU, ARTS ARE VAST.
UM, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND WE DO HAVE OTHER EVENTS.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM CONCENTRATE ON WHAT THE INITIAL INTENT, UH, WHAT I BELIEVE THIS ARTS COMMISSION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.
AND THAT WAS CREATING PERMANENT ART STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO THAT'S THE, JUST TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET CONCRETE FEEDBACK SO WE CAN GO BACK TO WORK ON THIS.
SO YOU WANT US TO NARROW YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO ASSIST AND NARROW THE SCOPE TO JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
AND THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS THIS COMMISSION ON THAT, THAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CREATION OF THIS COMMISSION WAS FOR.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WAS FOR, BECAUSE WE HAVE PIECES OF ART THAT WE WILL NEED FOR THE CULTURAL TRAIL.
THERE'S, THERE'S ART THERE, THERE'S ART IN THE PARKS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES THAT WE HAVE PLANS FOR CERTAIN PUBLIC SPACES FOR THE US TO HAVE ART INSTALLATIONS AT.
SO IN THIS PROCESS OF CREATING THIS, THAT, THE IDEA THAT HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS WE WERE GOING TO CREATE A COMMISSION OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO HELP US IDENTIFY, UH, COMPLIMENTARY ART PIECES FOR CITIZENS TO ADMIRE IN THESE PUBLIC SPACES THROUGHOUT TOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE I LOVE PLAYS AND YOU KNOW, OTHER ASPECTS OF ART, UH, THIS WAS THE INITIAL INTENT AS I UNDERSTOOD IT.
AND SO I THINK WE WOULD BE BEST SUITED TO GO DOWN THAT INITIAL ROAD AND JUST DEAL WITH THE HURDLES OF NEVER DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE AND, AND GETTING THROUGH THOSE CHALLENGES OF, OF CREATING A COMMISSION THAT WILL GRANT ARTISTS, UH, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS TO CREATE ART FOR US.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
THAT'S JUST HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE THE NEEDS THAT WE HAD, UM, HISTORY THAT YOU GUYS ARE STILL DECIDING FROM THAT POINT ON WHERE THESE ARTISTS COME FROM, OR YOU GUYS, BUT THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEMES ON LET'S LET LOCALLY, YOU KNOW, FIND AN ARTIST WHO DOES THIS, OR, YOU KNOW, A CULTURAL TRAIL.
WE NEED THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT TO ME IT'S PERMANENT ART UNDERSTOOD.
DOES EVERYBODY ELSE AGREE WITH THAT? BECAUSE WHEN I, WHEN PAUL TALKED TO US THE FIRST TIME, I THOUGHT HE SPECIFICALLY STATED SIX DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE ART ASPECT.
THAT'S WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM IT INITIALLY.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHY WE HAVE THESE IDEAS AS A GROUP, COLLECTIVELY AS A TASK FORCE, IT'S BECAUSE DECKS, I KNOW, WATCH THAT MEETING TWICE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I TOOK NOTES WHAT PAUL WAS LOOKING FOR.
AND SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MAYBE THIS IS WHERE THE ISSUE LIES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ART ALL AROUND.
AND SO WE DIDN'T SPECIFY JUST STATUTES IN HIS INITIAL PRESENTATION.
IT WAS MORE THAN CLEAR THAT IT WAS SEVERAL TYPES OF ART.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE GOT TOGETHER.
AND WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, HOW DO WE DO THIS A LOT, SPEND A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF THOUGHT, A LOT OF EFFORT.
AND SO I, I DON'T WANT TO BE COMBATIVE, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAME BACK AS A GROUP WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WAS ABOUT.
WE USE THE POLLS AND I WANT TO COMMEND PAUL AND I KNOW SCOTT HELPED HIM WITH THAT PRESENTATION.
WE USED THAT AS THE PLATFORM FOR REALLY JUMPING OFF OF, SO THAT'S WHY THOSE DIFFERENT FIELDS ARE IN THERE.
SO, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC OR, UM, WHOMEVER MISSED THAT, THAT, THAT PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN BY PAUL, WHAT WAS THAT A MONTH AGO? PAUL? I THINK SO.
UH, MAYBE THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY, UH, THAT, THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND THAT, THAT OVERALL IDEA IS WHAT WE WERE USING AS A SPRINGBOARD TO CREATE THIS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THIS CAME FROM, BUT CERTAINLY IF, UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS
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IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, THE REST OF COUNCIL TO GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, AND IF WE NEED TO CHANGE DIRECTION AND IF, YOU KNOW, OPEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THAT, THAT SENTIMENT, THEN, UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO, UH, TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS.IT'S A CHALLENGE, CREATING A COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE I HEARD THIS EVENING IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE A NEED RIGHT NOW FOR ART IN OUR PUBLIC SPACES THAT ARE COMING UP.
SO MAYBE WE DO IT IN A WAY WE'RE THE EARLY FOCUS OF THE COMMISSION IS TO WORK ON THAT ART.
AND THEN AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END DATE OF GETTING THOSE SPACES FILLED, WE CAN TRANSITION OVER TO THE REST OF IT THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A HARD STOP.
I MEAN, THIS ISN'T A SHUTDOWN ON THIS.
MAYBE IT'S, UH, JUST PROLONGING IT A LITTLE BIT ON THE REST OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ART-WISE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A NEED FOR, UH, ART, PUBLIC ART AND DISPLAYS IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE'RE BUILDING.
SO MAYBE WE WORK ON THAT FIRST AND THEN COME BACK AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT FINISH LINE WITH THE REST OF THE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON HERE, UH, TO PROMOTE MORE ART, UH, LATER DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT.
WOULD THAT BE? CAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS AND I, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLAN, BUT IF WE HAVE A NEED STRONGER NEED RIGHT NOW TO WORK ON THAT ART, THAT'S GOING TO BE DISPLAYED, THEN WE COULD WORK ON THAT FOCUS ON THAT FIRST, UH, UH, GET THE, THE TA THE COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THAT FIRST.
AND THEN AS THAT COMES TO AN END, WE CAN START IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, AREAS OF ART AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A HAPPY MEDIUM IF EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH IT.
WELL, I, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THIS TO COME OFF AS UNGRATEFUL FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK.
LIKE, I THINK THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING TO BE HARD ON THE COMMISSIONER, HOW THEY DECIDE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, GIVE OUT THE GRANTS FOR THE ART.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE LIMITED SCOPE DEFINITELY HELPS, BUT I, I THANK YOU GUYS, THE TASK FORCE FOR, FOR PUTTING THE TIME AND EFFORT AND GOING THROUGH IT, AND YEAH, YOU ASKED FOR FEEDBACK.
SO I GAVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK, BUT, UH, NO ONE WANTS THIS TO SUCCEED MORE THAN ME.
I MEAN, I'M A SUCKER FOR THE ARTS, SO, AND ALL OF THEM, ROBERT, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I JUST KNOW THAT WHERE WE HAVE OUR NEEDS AND WHERE IT, IT STARTED, YOU KNOW, THE TALKS OF THIS IN KYLE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT'S NEVER DONE BEFORE.
UM, AND SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO REALLY, UH, TAKE A, A MORE NARROWED CONCENTRATION ON HOW WE GO ABOUT IT AT FIRST, UH, AND, AND FILL THOSE NEEDS.
SO WOULD WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE HERE TO HAVE THAT NARROWER SCOPE AND, AND THESE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS THEN, AND THEN JUST LOOK AT CHANGING THEM AT A LATER DATE? I WILL SAY, WHAT WORRIES ME ABOUT THAT? AND I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHAT WORRIES ME ABOUT THAT IS DOING THIS MORE THAN ONCE, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A COMMITTEE, WE JUST DO A COMMITTEE, WE HAVE THE EXPECTATIONS OUT THERE.
AND THEN MAYBE WHEN THAT COMMITTEE STARTS, THEY'RE DIRECTED TO ONLY FOCUS ON SOMETHING IN THE BEGINNING, INSTEAD OF JUST GIVING THEM ALL THE RESPONSIBILITIES RIGHT NOW TO GO BACK AND REDRAFT EVERYTHING LIKE, OH, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? WE'RE GOING TO DRAFT IT NOW TO, FOR IT TO BE NARROW AND THEN COME BACK AND REDRAFT IT FOR IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VAGUE.
WELL, HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF KYLE HAS GONE THROUGH MANY DIFFERENT SORT OF SEASONS AS IT RELATES TO ITS V THE CITY COUNCIL'S VIEWS TOWARDS COMMITTEES AND WHY COMMITTEES EXIST.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AT SOME POINT LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN 20 14, 20 15, THERE WERE LIKE 26 COUNCIL CREATED COMMITTEES FOR EVERY THING UNDER THE SUN.
AND CONSENSUS AT THAT TIME WAS THAT THE COMMITTEES WERE ACTUALLY IMPEDING THE ABILITY TO GET THINGS DONE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, FACILITATING AND ACTUALLY AIDING IN THAT.
SO THE MORE YOU, THE MORE OF A BEAST YOU CREATE, THE MORE UNRULY IT CAN, IT CAN BECOME AN ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO THE ARTS COMMISSION, BEING THIS GREAT TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO HELP US GET FURTHER DOWN THAT PATH OF GETTING MORE ART.
WHAT IT BECOMES IS THEY START GIVING FEEDBACK TO US THAT WE'RE MOVING TOO FAST ON THIS PARK THAT WE'RE CREATING.
AND WHY DIDN'T WE GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO SIGN OFF ON THINGS.
AND LIKE, YOU CAN ALL GET FLIPPED AROUND IN ONE GENERATION, IN ONE COUNCIL REVOLUTION, UH, TO A POINT WHERE THE COMMITTEE IS ACTUALLY A BURDEN AS OPPOSED TO A HELP.
AND THAT'S SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE THAT'S HAPPENED.
SO WHAT I WOULD HOPE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD
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CREATE SOMETHING THAT AT NO POINT WOULD A FUTURE COUNCIL BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS ARE JUST OUT OF CONTROL AND THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE EVENTS PLANNERS NOW.AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY THEY WORK IN THE LIBRARY DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, KIND OF VAGUE THAT COVERS ALL KINDS OF ART, BUT THEN WE LIMIT THEM WHEN WE, WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, DRAFT THE BYLAWS AND THEN WE LOOK AT THEM, REVIEW THEM.
THERE'S THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT.
I THINK BEING PROACTIVE AND MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WE ARE SPECIFIC ON WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AND THEIR DUTIES.
WE DO THAT IN, IN, IN THE CONTRACT AND THE BYLAWS, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE, CAUSE WE COULD DO WE, TO BE HONEST, WE COULD SAY, YES, WE'RE GOING TO NARROW THIS DOWN AND THEN HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH JUST THE ONE FOCUS ON ONE TYPE OF ART.
IF IT'S NOT CONTROLLED IN THE BYLAWS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WELL, THE MOMENT THEY RECOMMEND AN ART PIECE TO US, IT'S GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS BECAUSE ART IS SUBJECTIVE.
SO AS SOON AS THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, WE WANT TO PUT THIS THERE, IS IT EAST? IS IT WEST? IS NORTH? IS IT, IS IT WOOD? IS IT BRONZE? IS IT A, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT CELEBRATING AND WHY? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST COMING.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE THEN, IS IT THE ART PROGRAM OR ART COMMISSION IN GENERAL OR BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S TWO ISSUES.
THERE'S ONE IS TOO VAGUE AND ONE IS, IT'S JUST AN ART COMMISSION IS GOING TO CAUSE IT ANYWAYS.
SO WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT TO TACKLE? UH, MY OPINION IS THAT WE SHOULD CREATE A COMMISSION AND NARROWLY DEFINE IT TO SAY THAT THE, THE COMMISSIONS BASICALLY THERE'S SOME RESPONSIBILITY IS TO HELP US PLAN OUT OUR ARTS EXPENDITURES, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UH, IN A, IN A BUDGETARY YEAR.
AND THEY HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND THAT MONEY FULL STOP THE END.
SO WOULD WE DO, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT CHANGE IN, IN LIKE THE VISION OR IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION OR IN THIS, THE ARTICLE ITSELF DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHEREVER, WHEREVER IT SAYS IT I'M JUST, I'M FROM THIS IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE, THAT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M RECOMMENDING, BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF IT GETS TOO WIDE, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA CAUSE GOING TO CAUSE TROUBLE.
SO AS A TASK FORCE MEMBER, IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER IF YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, TAKE THIS WHOLE PART OUT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.
SO IT'S LIKE GOING TO A PARK, YOU KNOW, REDOING THE PARK AND BEING LIKE, OKAY, HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK FOR VERSUS, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP BRINGING THESE THINGS BACK AND YOU TELL ME IF THIS WORKS FOR YOU, IT WOULD BE JUST EASIER IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE LIKE, DON'T WANT THIS, DON'T WANT THIS TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE WE CAN JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK VIA EMAIL OR I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
UM, NO THROUGH PAUL THEY COULD EMAIL PAUL AND, UH, WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, WE COULD, UH, GO THAT ROUTE.
UH, CAN WE SHARE TO, UM, THE, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBERS, PAUL HIMSELF? UM, I THINK RIGHT NOW WOULD, I THINK WHAT I'M GETTING BACK FROM COUNCIL IS THAT, UH, WE NEED TO, UH, FOCUS ON ONE TOPIC AND THAT'S THE, UM, ART THAT'S GOING INTO PUBLIC SPACES RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN LATER ON WHEN WE, UH, COMPLETE THE COM THE COMMISSION COUNCIL WILL COMPLETE THAT TASK.
WE GET OPEN THIS SCOPE UP MORE AND REALLY, UH, IT'S, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE, CAN PUT TOGETHER WHERE WE HAVE TO, UH, LET'S SAY IT WOULD HAVE CONTROL OF THE CITY.
UH, I'VE SEEN IN DIFFERENT CITIES WHERE YOU CAN GIVE A COMMISSION TOO MUCH POWER AND, AND IT COMES BACK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A SISTER CITY DOWN THE ROAD THAT GAVE A ONE OF HER COMMISSIONS TOO MUCH POWER, AND IT CAME BACK AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE BECAUSE, UH, OF ALL THE INFIGHTING HAS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUT A COMMISSION TOGETHER.
THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US SUGGESTIONS AND THAT'S ALL, THEY ARE SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, COUNCIL MAKES THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, MAKES THE BOATS AND CARS.
WE'RE THE ELECTRIC LEADERS, AND WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE, BUT, UH, IF THERE'S A SCOPE WHERE WE WANT TO STAY LIMITED RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK, UH, WE'LL GO BACK AS A COMMITTEE AND TALK ABOUT IT AND, AND, AND LISTEN TO ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THAT A RECOMMENDATION FROM TOBY AND ASHLEY? I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER BRADSHAW AND COUNCIL MEMBER TOBY, OR EVEN MYSELF AND DECKS LIKE HOLD TOGETHER.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE COLLECTIVELY.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO STAY THE WAY IT IS WITH WHATEVER LIMITS WE WANT TO SET.
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YEAH.I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO A COUNSELOR TO VA'S COUNSELOR BRADSHAW.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO REGROUP AS A TASK FORCE AND, UH, TAKE THIS FEEDBACK AND, AND, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT, BUT CERTAINLY A COUNSELOR TO BE AS COUNCILMAN BRADSHAW, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
WE'RE WE'RE THE ONLY THING I JUST HAD TO ADD WAS JUST THE VERBIAGE ON THAT, ABOUT THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE.
I DON'T REALLY, I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING ON THIS.
AND AGAIN, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF HARD WORK ON THIS AND INCLUDED NEW PAUL.
UM, IT'S JUST LOOKING AT IT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE, WHAT I NEED TO DEMONSTRATE TO SHOW ANY KIND OF VOTING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'VE GOT ON THAT END, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM.
WELL, IT'S 10 AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MORE HEADY BUSINESS PLUS EXECUTIVES.
SO LET'S, LET'S ACTUALLY, YOU'RE BEING REQUESTED TO GIVE YOUR OPINION, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
THEY'RE ALL SAYING THEY WANT YOU TO SAY SOMETHING.
UH, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO ITEM NUMBER 25 BEING FINALLY PASSED? IT WAS CURFEW SEEING THEM FINALLY PASSED.
[27. (First Reading) An Ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas Amending the Code of Ordinances Sec 2-40. – Definitions, Sec. 2-43. - Term of Appointment, and Sec. 2-45 - Qualifications; Providing Exceptions; Providing an Effective Date; and Making Such Other Findings and Provisions Related Hereto. ~ J. Scott Sellers, City Manager]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27.FIRST READING IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE TEXAS AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
SECTION TWO 40, UH, UH, 2 43, UH, TERM OF APPOINTMENTS, 2 45 QUALIFICATIONS, ET CETERA.
MARIN COUNCIL, SCOTT SELLERS RECORDS.
SO WE HAVE, UM, OUR BOARD ORDINANCE COMING BEFORE YOU, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE QUALIFICATIONS.
I'LL PUT THAT RIGHT OUT UP FRONT.
UH, WE DO HAVE BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE PROGRESSED THROUGH THE TERMS OF THEIR BOARDS AND IN A COUPLE OF CASES HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, BEEN MADE CHAIR AFTER TWO TERMS, WHICH THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, UH, CAPS OUT A, THE TENURE OF A BOARD MEMBER.
UH, THEY HAVE TO THEN STEP OFF THE BOARD.
SO IN EFFECT, OUR BOARD ORDINANCE HAS TERM LIMITS.
UH, WE HAVE HAD REQUESTS FROM A COUPLE OF THE BOARDS TO EXTEND THOSE TERM LIMITS FOR CERTAIN MEMBERS WHO, UH, WHO ARE EITHER CHAIR OR FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEIR EXPERTISE IS NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, RIPE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING THROUGH A COUPLE OF YEARS OF LEARNING CURVE AND FEEL LIKE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO ADD REAL SIGNIFICANT VALUE ON THE BOARD.
SO THIS CHANGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO YOU THIS EVENING IS SIMPLY TO EXTEND THE AMOUNT OF TERMS TO A THIRD POTENTIAL TWO-YEAR TERM.
SO THESE ARE AGAIN, TWO YEAR TERMS. UH, SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IN THIS ORDINANCE CHANGED TONIGHT TO ADD A THIRD TERM FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER MINOR CHANGES YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHERE WE CLARIFY COMMISSIONS, AS WELL AS, AS BORES IN HERE THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS FOR MR. SELLERS, CUSTOMER TOBY.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS THAT YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE SERVED TWO TERMS ALREADY, AND THEY WANT TO SERVE AN ADDITIONAL TERM.
THAT'D BE WHAT, SIX YEARS ON A BOARD THAT IS CORRECT.
AND CURRENTLY THE BOARD ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE REAPPOINTMENTS TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL FOR AUTHORIZATIONS.
SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER TERM AUTHORIZATION.
SO IF WE WERE TO CHANGE IT, JUST TWO THREE-YEAR TERMS THAT COULD ALSO WORK AND JUST DO THAT CURRENTLY TWO YEAR TERMS, OR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT ALSO PREVENTS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT WANT TO RUN OR ACTUALLY PUT IN FOR IT, ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE.
CAN I ASK WHY WE WANT TO EXTEND THIS AND WHY NOW? UH, WELL, BECAUSE THE, TYPICALLY THE TERMS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS COINCIDE WITH, UH, FISCAL YEARS.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE ABOUT TO TURN OFF WHO HAVE HIT THE END THEIR FOUR YEAR LIMIT AND WOULD LIKE TO STAY ON.
SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS CLEARLY SET UP, SO THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAYING, WELL, NO, BECAUSE OF THESE BOARD MEMBERS, WE MAY
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WANT TO CHANGE THAT.I DON'T THINK THIS WAS SET UP, SO THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
IT JUST PROVIDED AN END DATE ON THE BOARDS AT THE TIME OR THE TERMS. SO I THINK THE QUESTION FOR COUNCIL IS, IS FOUR YEARS SUFFICIENT FOR GROWING IN THE BOARD, LEARNING YOUR TRADE AND IN PROVIDING VALUE IN STEPPING OFF, OR IS ANOTHER TERM WARRANTED.
HAS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I HAVE THREE YEARS.
SO I THINK FOUR YEARS IS SUFFICIENT AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPINION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO STAY UP HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE ALSO LIMITED FOR A REASON.
SO, UM, I, I GUESS, I GUESS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THERE THAT WANT TO STAY ON THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT THE COUNCIL HAS A TOTAL OF 900, RIGHT? CORRECT.
EITHER WAY, IT'S LIMITED, IT'S LIMITED.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE, AND THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE LIMITED TO FOUR, SO THEY ARE AT FOUR.
SO WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO TO SIX, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE LEARNING THEIR CRAFT AND THAT THE VARIOUS PEOPLE ARE ASKING, INCLUDING STAFF MEMBERS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO RUN THESE BOARDS ARE SAYING THAT THESE FOLKS ARE, UH, COULD REALLY STAND IT STAY MORE THAN JUST FOUR YEARS.
THEY'RE JUST NOW GETTING TO THEIR, THEIR BEST YEARS.
SO THAT'S THE, SO MY WHOLE POINT WAS I, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I HAVE THREE YEARS IF I DON'T GET REELECTED.
SO FOR GIVING THEM THE CAPABILITY OF FOUR YEARS WITH TWO TERMS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S SUFFICIENT.
AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE OF THE BOARDS THAT WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THAT.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO EXTEND IT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT, BUT LET'S, LET'S HEAR FROM THEM.
YOU STILL NEED TO COME FORWARD FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
SO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GIVEN GETTING AN AUTOMATIC, THEY'LL STILL COME BACK.
IT'S LIKE BEING REELECTED AGAIN A THIRD TIME.
SO THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IT'S STILL, THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE WANTING THERE.
SO IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEM AUTOMATICALLY GETTING IT.
WELL, THEY STILL HAVE TO COME HERE IN OF, SO MY ISSUE WITH THAT IS EARLIER THIS YEAR, THAT HAPPENED TO ME.
SOMEBODY WAS JUST UP FOR, TO BE RENEWED.
I DIDN'T GET TO SEE THE APPLICATION.
AND IT WAS VOTED ON WA YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T GET TO READ THE APPLICATION, THAT IT WAS JUST AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED BECAUSE QUOTE, IT'S JUST A RENEWAL.
AND SO THAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME OVERALL THAT IF WE ARE RENEWING, RENEWING, RENEWING, AND I SAW FIRSTHAND WHAT THAT'S LIKE, UM, I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY IS, IT SAYS SOMETHING ELSE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, CAUSE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING AS I WAS.
UM, I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MATTER TO EVERYBODY, BUT IT MATTERS TO ME.
SO JUST FOR ME TO BE HEARD, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO AS, AS I WAS SAYING, WHAT BOTHERS ME IS SPECIFICALLY RENEWALS BECAUSE I WAS BYPASSED IN THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T GET TO, I REQUESTED AN APPLICATION ON LIKE A FRIDAY OR SUNDAY.
AND WHEN IT CAME TO VOTING TIME, EVERYBODY SAID, OH, IT'S OKAY.
SO YES, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THEY GET TO COME BACK TO US, BUT I KNOW ALL TOO WELL, THAT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
I GUESS FOR ME, IT'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, LEARNING THE JOB, YOU KNOW? UM, I KNOW IN MY FIRST SIX MONTHS I WAS STILL LEARNING A JOB, UM, TWO YEARS IN TO A COUNCIL MEMBER AND I'M STILL LEARNING THE JOB.
THERE'S STILL THINGS THAT COME UP AND I'M STILL LEARNING THE JOB.
I THINK WE NEVER STOPPED LEARNING.
UH, BUT ONE THING THAT I DO BRING NOW IS A LITTLE BIT EXPERIENCE AND THE EXPERIENCE, I THINK, BENEFITS THE CITY, THE CITIZENS HERE IN GUILE.
I THINK HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE ON SOME OF OUR BOARDS WOULD, WOULD BENEFIT AS WELL INSTEAD OF HAVING TO START OVER AGAIN.
UM, I KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE A LOT OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT QUITE AS WELL CAN FULFILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS.
AND NOW YOU'RE, YOU COULD BE STUCK WITH ALL YOUR BOARD MEMBERS, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY FEAR IS, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, IF THERE'S SOMEONE WILLING TO SERVE AND THEY'RE COMING TO COUNCIL, UM, WE COULD ALWAYS SAY NO.
AND, UH, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A CHOICE FOR US, BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING EXPERIENCE ON BOARDS IS CRUCIAL.
I THINK HAVING AN EXPERIENCE ON COUNCIL IS CRUCIAL.
SO I, IT, IT REALLY IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL OR THEY WANT TO DO WITH THIS, BUT, UH,
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I THINK EXPERIENCE ALWAYS HELPS A LOT.SCOTT, YOUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE, TAKE IT FROM TWO TERMS TO THREE, FOUR YEARS TO SIX AS WRITTEN.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT GOT MADE IT IN HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MAYOR PRO TIP? UH, I THINK IT'S HARD TO SOMETIMES FIND GOOD PEOPLE TO SERVE.
AND SO I'M THANKFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SERVE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS LONG AS THEY, THEY CAN IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND I SEE NO PROBLEM, UH, ADDING ONE MORE, UH, TO YOUR, UH, APPOINTMENT, UH, FOR A BODY WHO WANTS TO RECOMMEND, UH, ITEMS TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, SO I'M THANKFUL FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM, UH, 27 AS WRITTEN SECOND, IT'S BEEN, I'M SORRY, I'M 28 OR NO, NO.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAY PRO TIM SECONDED BY COUNCILOR RIZZO THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 IS WRITTEN.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON.
UH, SO I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, BUT THIS IS WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS THE PROBLEM.
THIS IS A PROBLEM LARGELY CREATED BECAUSE COUNSEL WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO MEET WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UM, WHEN YOU ONBOARD SOMEBODY BY LETTING THEM FIGURE THE JOB OUT AND GET THEIR FEET WET, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANY PROFESSIONAL OR NON-PROFESSIONAL WAY WHERE THAT IS, HOW YOU ONBOARD SOMEBODY AND LET THEM KIND OF FIGURE IT OUT.
IF WE WOULD AGREE TO MEET WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND, AND HELP THEM ALONG WAY, GIVE FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH OF THE COUNCIL AND WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON, WHAT OUR GOALS ARE, WHAT THE VISION ARE, WHAT THE VISION IS, ALL OF THAT UPFRONT.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DOING THIS.
IN MY OPINION, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE EDUCATED, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT KNEW FROM THE VERY JUMP AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR TERM, WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE AND WHAT, WHAT THEIR ACTIONS AND, AND THINGS THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.
UH, SO FOR ME, THIS IS IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TOUGH BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BAND-AID FOR A ISSUE THAT REALLY THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO ADDRESS AND THAT'S BY BEING MORE AVAILABLE, UH, TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? ROLL CALL, VOTE ELLISON.
HI COACH FLORES, KALE MITCHELL BRADSHAW RIZZO MOTION CARRIES SIX TO ONE.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GET THE BUDGET COMING UP NEXT.
AND SO WE'RE JUST OVER FIVE HOURS FOR THAT STUFF.
SO I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
SO I'LL SET THE TIMER, WE'LL SAY 10, 10 21.
I'LL BE GAVELING IN TEN TWENTY ONE.
CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER FOUR.
WE TAKE UP THE BUDGET ITEM THAT I THINK THEIR
[30. (First Reading) An Ordinance to update the City of Kyle Building and Trades code standards from the 2015 Edition to the 2021 Edition of the ICC code, and to update the electric standard from the 2014 Edition to the 2020 Edition of the National Electric Code, and providing for local amendments to the 2021 International Fire Code. ~ Gary Stubbins, Building Official]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30, GOT MISS MIS PLACED DOWN AT THE END.SO I APOLOGIZE TO, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO I'M GOING TO SKIP THE BUDGETS AND GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30, 31ST READING AN ORDINANCE, UH, TO UPDATE THE CITY OF KYLE BUILDING AND TRADES CODE STANDARDS FROM 2015, ADDITION TO THE 2021 EDITION OF THE ICC CODE TO UPDATE THE ELECTRIC STANDARD FROM THE 2014 EDITION TO THE 2020 EDITION OF THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE AND PROVIDING FOR LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE 21 20 21 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE.
THIS PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN ON CONSENT.
ANYWAY, GO AHEAD, MR. STEBBINS.
SO MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS GARY STUBBINS, I'M YOUR, A BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, UM, AS PROPOSED, UH, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO, UM, PROPOSE ADOPTION FOR THE 21 20 21 IECC CODES TO REPLACE OUR CURRENT, UH, 2015 CODES.
UH, WE'VE BEEN UNDER THE 2015, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WE ACTUALLY SKIPPED A CYCLE UNDER THE 2018 AND GOING TO THE, UH, HOPEFULLY GOING THROUGH THE 20, 20
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ONES, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, GOING TO THE 20, 20 NEC THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE AT THE SAME TIME.SO, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP THE STANDARDS FOR, UH, FOR THE BUILDING AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT IS ALSO REACHED OUT TO, UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES LOCAL.
I REACHED OUT TO SAN MARCUS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE 2015 CODE.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING THAT.
UM, AND THEY'RE GOING TO START UP THERE.
UH, IT WAS GOING TO BE IN FULL EFFECT AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR.
UH, I ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE BASELS DURING THE 2018 OF 2018 AND BUDDHA, OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HERE IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE 2015, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO GO TO THE 2021 ALSO WITH THE SAME, SAME START DATE AS, UH, OCTOBER 1ST AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR GARY OR MR. SCHULTZ LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MOVED BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FLORES, KILTS, OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
HE GOT, HE GOT, HE GOT PUNTED DOWN THERE.
ANY OBJECTION TO THIS BEING FINALLY PASSED, SEEING NONE IS FINALLY PASSED.
[28.
(First Reading) Approve an Ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas, adopting a budget totaling $172.6 million for all City Funds for the ensuing fiscal year beginning October 1, 2021 and ending September 30, 2022; appropriating revenue and expenditure amounts thereof for all City Funds, authorizing a 6.0 percent increase in water service rates, no changes in wastewater service rates, no changes in storm drainage fees, a 2.51 percent increase in solid waste service charges, all other fees and charges for City services as provided for in the fee schedule, capital improvement program expenditures, addition of twenty-one (21.0) new full-time positions for a total of 302.0 full-time equivalent positions, carryover of encumbrances, all associated schedules and documents, and repealing all Ordinances in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. ~ J. Scott Sellers, City Manager
]RIGHT NOW.WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TONIGHT.
FIRST READING, UH, APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE.
TEXAS IS ADOPTING A BUDGET TOTALING 172 POINT MILLION, UH, 0.6 MILLION FOR ALL CITY FUNDS, UH, FOR THE ENSUING FISCAL YEAR TO BEGIN OCTOBER 1ST, 2021, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022, ET CETERA.
MR. SELLERS, MAYOR COUNCIL, SCOTT SELLERS FOR THE RECORD, THIS WOULD BE BUDGET WORK SESSION.
NUMBER FOUR TONIGHT, I BELIEVE MOST OF THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN HAD, UH, PUBLICLY, UH, AS FAR AS CORRECTIONS ADDITIONS, ATTRACTIONS TO THE BUDGET.
I AM GOING TO PLACE A, A SHEET UPON THE SCREEN JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL, THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING A BUDGET.
THIS IS ALSO IN YOUR COUNCIL PACKET AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, WITH THIS SAID, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET AS PROPOSED.
THIS WOULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY FINAL CHANGES.
THERE WILL BE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY NEXT WEEK, NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT FOR BUDGET WORK SESSION NUMBER FIVE AND FINAL READING.
THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE.
UM, FOR AGENDA ITEM 28, UM, IN GENERAL, DOES THIS ONE TALK ABOUT THE TAX INCREASE OR THE NON TAX INCREASE OF TAXES 29? ISN'T IT.
UH, SO, UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION THAT STAFF, UH, PUT IN THE AGENDA FOR US AND THEIR TIME, THE DIRECTORS, UM, AND SCOTT AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN CREATING THAT STUPID Y'ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING TIME OF THE YEAR AND, AND FIGURING THIS OUT.
UH, SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
UM, DIDN'T WANT THAT TO GO WITHOUT BEING STATED.
UM, SO I, I, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH THE BUDGET AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, AND I'D LIKE TO PUSH, UH, I LIKE TO, UH, REQUEST OF COUNCIL TO, UH, CONSIDER SOME CHANGES HERE.
SO, UH, ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IN PAST WORK SESSIONS, I KNOW THE LAST ONE, THE TASK FORCE FOR PROP F ORDINANCE PROPOSED ADDING TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, UH, WHICH I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF.
UM, I'D CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO OPEN MY TIME UP TO OTHER MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE ABOUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WHAT OUR DESIRES ARE IN, IN RECOMMENDING THAT TO THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
UM, BUT ONE THING THAT I AM, BUT HE IMMEDIATELY AGAINST IS INCREASING, UH, REVENUES OF FINES AND CITATIONS IN ORDER TO PAY FOR SAID OFFICERS.
UH, I THINK THAT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT.
I THINK IT SETS A BAD, UH, LOOK, I THINK IT, IT PUTS A WHETHER CONSCIOUSLY OR SUBCONSCIOUSLY OR OTHERWISE, UH, PUTS OUT A
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PERCEPTION THAT IN ORDER TO PAY FOR OUR OFFICERS, WE NEED TO INCREASE THE FINES OF OUR CITY.AND THEN YOU GET INTO A VERY, UH, DANGEROUS AREA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A QUOTA THAT'S TRYING TO BE MET? AND WE ALL KNOW THAT QUOTAS ARE ILLEGAL.
AND, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY BUSINESS OF THAT HERE IN THE CITY OF KALA.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE AVENUES OF TRYING TO FUND THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, UH, WITH ACTUAL CUTS FROM OTHER AREAS.
AND I KNOW THAT'S TOUGH BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE THINGS THAT WE REALLY, UH, LIKE AND APPRECIATE IN THIS BUDGET.
AND WE HAVE A BALANCE WHEN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THIS, THIS, UH, PROCESS IS MAKING TOUGH CALLS AND MAKING TOUGH CUTS, UH, IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT THINGS.
UM, SO I DID ASK BEFORE, UM, ABOUT, AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION ABOUT, UH, AN EXPLANATION OF THE, UH, THE LOBBYIST POSITIONS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UM, ITEMS THAT THE TASK FORCE BROUGHT FORWARD AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, REALLOCATING FUNDING FROM SPENDING IT ON, UH, LOBBYISTS AND, AND INSTEAD FUNDING ADDITIONAL OFFICERS.
UH, WE DID GET A, UM, A COUPLE OF US.
I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYBODY KIND OF REQUESTED THIS.
I, I REQUESTED, I PROBABLY HAVE REQUESTED IT FROM SCOTT EVERY YEAR IS A LIST OF, UH, POSITIONS IN WHICH HE FELT AS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE ULTIMATE CEO OF OUR CITY.
WHAT POSITIONS ARE MISSION CRITICAL.
AND NUMBER TWO ON THAT LIST WERE PATROL OFFICERS.
AND I THINK WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUESTS THAT WE'RE MAKING UP OUR OFFICERS, THE, THE CHANGE IN THE, UM, I WOULDN'T REALLY SAY A CHANGE IN THE CULTURE, BUT A PROGRESSION IN AN ALREADY GREAT CULTURE TO FURTHER THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT AND COMMUNITY POLICING.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED IS THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO DO A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, WE NEED, UH, PATROL OFFICERS IN ORDER TO, TO COVER SHIFTS, TO HAVE MULTIPLE SHIFTS, TO, UM, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OFFICERS TO GO TO TRAINING, UH, AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE FROM OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE DEFINITELY, UH, UM, BY ANY METRIC, UM, NOT AT THE STAFFING LEVEL THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN OUR, IN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
NOW, WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD SAY WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED IN EVERY DEPARTMENT.
UH, I REALLY WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
AND I WANT STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT I THINK THIS COUNCIL REALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT WE ARE UNDERSTAFFED IN MOST EVERY DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT, UH, PULLING AWAY FROM BEING A REACTIVE, UH, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO A PROACTIVE ONE AND ONE THAT'S OUT THERE, THEY NEED TO KNOW THEIR COMMUNITY AND DOING ALL THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WANT TO SEE, AND THAT THE VOTERS VOTED ON LAST NOVEMBER.
UM, I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE AN IMPERATIVE OF US TO REALLY ADD ADDITIONAL OFFICERS THIS YEAR.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE PROPOSED TO, UM, AND I, I THINK FOR ONE THAT IS THE BARE MINIMUM THAT I WAS HOPING TO GET.
AND SO LAST TIME, UH, I DID ASK FOR A PRESENTATION OR SOME INFORMATION ON THE LOBBYISTS, WHAT WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD GET FROM THAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, WHAT WE WOULD GET BACK FROM A FEDERAL AND STATE LOBBYISTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
LIKE, BECAUSE FOR ME THAT WAS THE, AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, THE, THE LINE ITEM THAT I FELT LIKE WE COULD TAKE, UH, FUNDS FROM IN ORDER TO ADD TWO POLICE OFFICERS, I CERTAINLY ASKED OF COUNCIL, UH, IF THERE WERE OTHER IDEAS OF WAYS WE COULD CUT AND THAT DISCUSSION, UH, SEEMED LIKE IT DIDN'T WANT TO BE HAD, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IN THESE WORK SESSIONS TO TALK THESE THINGS OUT, TO MAKE, UH, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, TO PITCH EACH OTHER ON THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE TO EITHER FUND SOMETHING OR TO CUT SOMETHING.
AND SO I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD GET INTO THAT DIALOGUE AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT FOR ME, I'M STILL IN THE SAME POSITION I WAS WHEN WE MET, UH, AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION, UM, UNTIL I HAVE A FURTHER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN GET FROM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A CHANGE.
SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, JUST TO KIND OF MOVE THE DISCUSSION ON, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, REMOVE FUNDING FROM THE LOBBYISTS LINE ITEM, UH, CUT BY THE AMOUNT THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN, UM, UM,
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KIND OF ALLOCATED TO WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE FROM THE FEDERAL LOBBYISTS, UH, FUNDING.AND I'LL HAVE SCOTT BACK ME UP ON THAT NUMBER, WHAT THAT IS, BUT THAT'S MY MOTION TO, UH, UH, MAKE A CUT OF THAT AMOUNT FROM THE BUDGET, A SECOND MOTION BY CASPER ELLISON, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER FORCE, KALE THAT WE, UH, REMOVE THE REMAINING AMOUNT OF THE FEDERAL OF THE LOBBYIST BUDGET.
UH, AND THEN CORRESPONDINGLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FINES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO COLLECT.
IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT? MY HEARING THAT CORRECT MOTION WAS ONLY, UH, I'LL GET TO THAT ONE, BUT MY MOTION WAS ONLY RIGHT NOW JUST TO KEEP THINGS KIND OF CONCISE.
AND SO WHAT WE, WE CAN VOTE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL THING.
UH, MY MOTION WAS TO REMOVE THE FUNDING SO FAR FROM THE, FROM THE LOBBYIST POSITION.
IT WOULD BE ADVOCATED FOR THE STATE LOBBYIST POSITION.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY CUSTOMER ALISON SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FORCE KALE.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON MARCH 2ND? I THINK, UM, THAT'S JUST STATE, RIGHT? NOT FEDERAL COURT.
IS THAT SO FAR I'VE ONLY, ONLY, UH, MADE A MOTION ON THE FUNDING AND SCOTT OR PREVENTICE, COULD YOU GIVE ME THE NUMBER THAT WE, UH, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? SO THE BUDGET AMOUNT FOR THE FEDERAL OBVIOUS WAS 170, 2000, UH, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET AMOUNT RIGHT NOW PROPOSED BUDGET HAS $300,000, 800 MINUS 1 71, 28.
SO WE'RE DELETING 172,000 OR 128,000 1, 1 28.
UH, SO MY MOTION IS RIGHT NOW, ONLY FOR THE ONE 28,000 REMOVAL FROM THE LINE ITEM BUDGET FOR THE LOBBYIST POSITION.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO, I GUESS I'LL CLARIFY IN ORDER TO FIND, UH, TO ALLOCATE MONEY TOWARDS FUNDING, UH, PATROL OFFICERS, WELL, HANG ON, IS THAT YOUR MOTION IN ORDER TO ALLOCATE FUNDS? BECAUSE I DEFINITELY HAVE OTHER PLACES I'D RATHER SPEND IT.
I'LL TAKE MY MOTION BACK AND I'LL TAKE A SECOND JUST TO CLARIFY.
SO MY MOTION TO, TO CLARIFY IS TO REDUCE THE LOBBYISTS LINE ITEM BUDGET BY 128,000 IN ORDER TO ALLOCATE FUNDING TOWARDS, UH, FUNDING PATROL OFFICERS THE SECOND.
WHEN YOU SAY TO ALLOCATE FUNDING TOWARDS PATROL OFFICERS, THERE'S ALREADY, I'M SORRY TO CLARIFY, BUT THERE'S ALREADY TWO PATROL OFFICERS IN THE BUDGET THAT THE ITEM THAT FUNDS THAT IS NOT THE LOBBYIST BUDGET, THE ITEM THAT FUNDS THAT IS THE $190,000 CHANGE IN CITATIONS.
SO YOU'RE WANTING TO TAKE THREE TO THREE THINGS OR KEEP THE PATROL OFFICERS THE SAME, REDUCE THE LOBBYISTS BY 128, AND THEN RE REDUCE THE, THE INCREASE IN REVENUES PROPORTION FROM 190 DOWN TO 62.
IS THAT RIGHT? PREVIOUS, IS THAT THE MATH? I THINK WHAT I HEARD EARLIER WAS THAT HE WANTED TO, THIS WAS A STANDALONE, UH, MOTION.
SO HE WAS GONNA GO AHEAD AND OF, OKAY.
I'LL, I'LL ATTEMPT TO CLARIFY THEN.
SO, UH, IF I SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT MARE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, UH, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AWAY THE FUNDING SOURCE BEING CITATIONS AND TICKETS.
SO, UM, THEN I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MORE, UH, UH, UH, DICKER, UH, RE UH, MOTION THAN HERE.
SO THEN I MOTION THAT WE, UH, REDUCE BY THE EXACT AMOUNT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW, COULD WE GET THAT SHEET OF PAPER OR SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL? SO I'M GOING TO HAVE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
UM, SO I MOTIONED THAT WE REDUCE THE, UM, SO ITEM F ON THERE, ONE F REDUCED THE AMOUNT TO ZERO FROM THE INCREASE IN CITATION AND FINES REVENUES.
WE ALLOCATE, UH, $128,000 TOWARDS THAT, UM, FROM, UM, UH, SO WE REDUCED
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THE LOBBYISTS LINE ITEM BY $128,000.AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TWO PATROL POSITIONS IN THERE, WHICH ARE 1 71.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE SLIGHT DIFFERENCE OFF.
I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO GO ON THAT BECAUSE I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PLACE WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FIND THAT FUNDING, BUT I WAS TRYING NOT TO MAKE SUCH A CONVOLUTED, UH, ITEM.
I WAS TRYING TO TAKE IT ONE, ONE BY ONE, BUT MY GOAL HERE IS TO INCREASE THE OFFICER PATROL OFFICER HIRING AND NOT TAKE IT FROM INCREASED CITATION AND FINES THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO GO FROM YOUR GOAL IS TO GO FROM TWO TO FOUR.
ULTIMATELY, YES, THAT IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET TO.
UM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT I'M PROPOSING THAT WE DO THAT.
I, I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS TO REDUCE LINE ITEM F FROM ONE 90 TO 62 AND ELIMINATE THE FUND AND ELIMINATE THE FUNDING FOR THE, THE, THE LOBBYIST FOUR BY 128,000, RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE ONE THAT THE STATE, THE STATE LOBBYISTS, SO 128,000, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE LOBBIES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO PREMISE? IS THAT REDUCING THE ONE 90 TO 62? OKAY.
LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THEM THE MOTION, AND THEN WE'LL DO THE, THE MATH.
WHAT I HEAR THE MOTION TO READ WAS TO REDUCE THE FINES BY $190,000, REDUCE THE LOBBYISTS BUDGET LINE ITEM BY $128,000 THAT, THAT MATH DOESN'T WORK.
YOU CAN ONLY REDUCE ONE 90 TO 62, UNLESS YOU FIND ANOTHER 62, AND THAT HASN'T EVEN STARTED JOINING INCREASING PATROL OFFICERS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I WAS TRYING TO KEEP THIS SHORTER THAN BEING MORE CONVOLUTED.
SO YES, IT WOULD NEED TO GO FROM ONE 90 TO 62,000 OR ONE F AND THEN IN ORDER TO DO THAT, DECREASING THE LOBBYISTS LINE ITEM FROM, BY 1 28, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO, TO MAKE, UH, IN ANY CHANGES, ONE ITEM AT A TIME.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AT THE BEGINNING.
I APOLOGIZE IF I GOT YOU TWISTED ON THAT.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT ONE THING AT A TIME? SO LET'S, LET'S HAVE A VOTE ON THE STATE LOBBY BUDGET AND THAT'LL CREATE SOME CASH, AND THEN WE CAN APPLY THAT CASH IN THE FORM OF A VOTE FOR SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER WAY.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT I'M MOVING THAT MONEY.
I JUST WANT COUNCIL AND PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT, UH, WHY I'M REDUCING THAT LINE ITEM AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO FUND WITH THAT LINE ITEM.
SO CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND IF IT, IF IT HELPS TO DO IT ONE AT A TIME, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE THE BEST CASE, BUT WHATEVER HELPS STAFF AND KEEPS THIS ALL IN ORDER, I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP HIM GET THE MOTION ON THE TABLE CAUSE WE'RE KIND OF MESSING IT UP.
SO CAN WE JUST ONE, ONE MORE TIME, REPEAT THE MOTION AND THAT'S JUST TO ELIMINATE 128 FROM THE LOBBYING BUDGET.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNSELOR ELLISON SECOND BY CUSTOMER FLORES, KALE THAT WE REDUCE THE LOBBYING BUDGET FROM 300,000 TO 100.
AND I FORGOT WHAT THE NUMBER IS 70 TO 1 72 TO A, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION CUSTOMER BRADSHAW? THANK YOU.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON.
YOU MENTIONED TALKING TO THE TASK FORCE, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHICH TASK FORCE YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
AND THEN ALSO, YEAH, WE, WE, WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD IN THE LAST WORK SESSION.
SCOTT, CAN YOU TELL ME IF STATE LOBBYISTS ARE ABLE TO BRING IN FUNDS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO LEAN ON CHIEF BARNETT TO, TO ROUND OUT MY ANSWER HERE? UH, MY FIRST BLUSHES, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THERE ARE STATE FUNDS AVAILABLE.
THERE ARE FEDERAL FUNDS AVAILABLE.
THERE ARE CERTAIN PASS THROUGH FUNDS THAT COME THROUGH THE STATE.
UH, THERE JAG GRANTS ARE FUNDS THAT COME THROUGH THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL.
WE HAVE APPLIED AND BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR
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THOSE IN THE PAST.HOWEVER, RECENTLY THE RULES HAVE CHANGED WHERE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT COME TO MUNICIPALITIES FOR OFFICERS, UH, HAVE MANY MORE STRINGS ATTACHED THAN IN THE PAST WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE THOSE GRANTS.
SO I WOULD ASSUME IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A SEPARATE FUND OF MONEY THAT WAS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE STATE FOR OFFICERS WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITIONAL FEDERAL OR STATE PASTORS, CHEAPER NET TO YOU.
DO YOU KNOW IF STATE LOBBYISTS ARE ABLE TO BRING IN ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS, MARIN COUNCIL, CHIEF BARNETT, JEFF, UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO, UH, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER SUMMARIZED THAT PERFECTLY.
THE TRADITIONAL METHOD OF FUNDING POLICE AGENCIES WITH GRANT FUNDS GENERALLY COME TO THE LOCAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR AND UPWARDS THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THOSE ARE GENERALLY IN A VERY ORGANIZED PATTERN.
THE GRANT PERIODS ARE WELL OPEN TO CITIES TO APPLY FOR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE STRINGS THAT THE CITY MANAGER OUTLINED.
SO IT'S A VERY NON-TRADITIONAL PATTERN.
IF A, IF AN OUTSIDE LOBBYIST IS GOING TO BRING IN LOCAL DOLLARS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, UH, NEVER REALLY HAD THAT EXPERIENCE.
IT'S ALL BEEN GRANT FUNDED THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL METHODS.
WE WERE FLOOR SCALE OUT OF CURIOSITY.
DO WE KNOW OF ANY CITIES THAT HAVE, UM, USED LOBBYISTS TO FUND POLICE OFFICER'S EMPLOYMENT? IS THIS A THING I GUESS IS WHAT I'M ASKING? I'M NOT AWARE OF.
BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE, I HAVE ASKED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO SEE WHAT STATE LOBBYISTS DO FOR A CITY, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYONE IN PARTICULAR, BUT IF, IF THEY, IF THEY COULD HAVE PROVIDED THAT AND I COULD HAVE LOOKED AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER, THEN I WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE AMENABLE TO TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT INFORMATION AND IT'S BEEN REQUESTED TWICE.
SO IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND I KNOW WE NEED, IF NOTHING ELSE, POLICE OFFICERS AGAIN, IF NOTHING ELSE WE NEED EMPLOYEES.
SO IF THERE IS THAT POSSIBILITY WHERE WE COULD FUND POLICE OFFICERS WITH A LOBBYIST, I'D BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THAT.
WELL, SO THE, THE, THE, THE FOCUS OF HIRING A FIRM TO, TO SUPPORT THE CITY, UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT.
IT'S, IT'S MUCH BROADER THAN THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT AT ANY POINT THAT WE'VE TRIED TO HOLD OUT SINCE THIS BUDGET AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS FIRST PITCHED TO COUNCIL IN, UH, OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, UH, THAT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY GOING TO BE FOR POLICE OR POLICE OFFICERS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
IT'S, IT'S THE, THE LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET THAT GIVES US A CHANCE TO RAISE FUNDS, UM, THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO RAISE OR TO HAVE INFLUENCE THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO HAVE.
AND I'VE GONE, I'VE GONE BACK AND TRIED TO THINK SORT OF IN THE PAST, BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, YOU DON'T KNOW, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE? WELL, JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE.
UH, BUT IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THERE'VE BEEN QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN OUR CITY THAT I WISH WE HAD SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTER STATE LEVEL SUPPORT, THE BIGGEST ONE BEING, UH, THE FACT THAT THERE'S A 42 INCH 1,432 PSI NATURAL GAS PIPELINE THAT GOES THROUGH OUR CITY, UH, AND THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT MADE THAT DECISION AND ALLOWED FOR THAT TO HAPPEN EXISTS AT A HIGH LEVEL AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT, WOULD'VE BEEN VERY NICE TO HAVE HAD A HEADS UP BEFORE OCTOBER AND READING ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED FOR US TO HAVE HAD THAT CHANCE TO MAKE THAT IMPACT.
AND I KNOW THE QUESTION IS, WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD A REALLY GOOD STATE LOBBYIST, WOULD THAT HAVE MADE AN IMPACT ON KINDER MORGAN, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU, EVERYBODY HAS, CAN HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, UH, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THAT, UH, I THINK THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A POSSIBILITY TO NEGOTIATE, UH, FOR, UH, REROUTING EARLY ON.
UH, THE OTHER IS THAT THE, A LOT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS, UH, HAPPENS AT THE STATE LEVEL, NOT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE, UH, TEXAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, GROUP UNDERNEATH THE GOVERNOR.
UH, THEY, THEY INTERFACE WITH A LOT OF THOSE COMPANIES, THOSE THAT ARE SEARCHING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR NAMES, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE, THEY RETAIN A LOT OF THOSE SAME TYPES OF FIRMS. I KIND OF NEED TO USE A STATE LOBBYIST TO HELP WITH MAYBE A, YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVEL ECONOMIC
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DEVELOPMENT PROSPECT.UH, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO WORKING THROUGH STATE LEVEL FUNDING FUNDING THROUGH CAMPO AND TXDOT, UH, PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS, UH, YOU NEED, UH, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS.
AND SO I, I COULD GO ON THAT, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS MONEY IS WISELY SPENT, UH, ON, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, A POLICE OFFICER OR STATE LOBBYISTS I THINK IS RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE $190,000, BECAUSE YOU KNOW EXACTLY, UH, WHAT THE VALUE OF THE OFFICER IS THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE, THAT YOU PUT IN A HUNDRED AND, UH, OR 250,002 POLICE OFFICERS, THEY HAVE THE POTENTIAL MAYBE TO RIDE AS MUCH AS $190,000 IN TICKETS.
SO THERE'S A THOUGHT THERE THAT MAYBE THEY COULD PAY FOR THEMSELVES.
UH, YOU PUT IN $128,000 IN STATE LOBBYISTS.
THE EXPECTATION IS THEY COULD BRING BACK AS MUCH AS 10 OR 20 OR 50 TIMES THAT IN RETURN TO THE CITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS, UH, IT'S ABOUT PRIORITIZATION.
THE, THE AMOUNT THAT THE, UH, SOME OF OUR SISTER CITIES SPEND ON THAT TYPE OF REPRESENTATION IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE LOWER OR HIGHER.
UH, AND YEAH, AND, UH, WE'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OTHER CITIES, UH, CEDAR PARK FOR EXAMPLE, WAS ONE WHO I INTERFACED WITH RECENTLY AND ASKED THEM ABOUT, UH, WHETHER STATE OR FEDERAL LOBBYISTS WERE SOMETHING THAT THEY BELIEVED IN OR NOT.
UH, THE, THEIR ANSWER WAS, UH, 100% THE MOST IMPORTANT MONEY WE SPEND IN THE BUDGET.
AND THE, UH, THE STATE LOBBYIST IS MORE IMPACTFUL THAN THE FEDERAL LOBBYIST IN MANY WAYS.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU WANNA KNOCK IT DOWN, IF THERE'S TOO MUCH, IF IT'S TOO MUCH TOO FAST, I, I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BY NOT HAVING REPRESENTATION, UH, WHEN OTHER CITIES HAVE, AND HAVE BROUGHT DOWN EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE OF JUST CRUSHING US, UH, AT THE, UH, LOBBY GAME AND AT THE FUNDRAISING GAME.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I STAND READY TO, TO, TO, TO GET IN, TO GET IN ON THAT, ON THAT GROUND AND COMPETE WITH THESE OTHER CITIES, ESPECIALLY AS WE'VE BECOME AN ENTITLEMENT CITY OF 50,000, HAVING THAT REPRESENTATION IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
UH, AND I THINK HAS DONE US GREAT HARM, NOT HAVING IT UP UNTIL THIS POINT, BUT CERTAINLY WOULD DO EVEN MORE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY PIECE ON IT.
AND WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, MORE OFFICERS ARE NEEDED OR NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE OFFICERS, BUT AS HAS BEEN SAID, WE NEED POSITIONS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
I CAN THINK OF SOME THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME POSITIONS AND SOME OUTCOMES IN PARTICULAR THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE PURSUING, THAT WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED, UH, THAT I WOULD LOVE TO BRING UP AS OPPOSED TO GOING FROM TWO OFFICERS TO FOUR, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE DEFINITELY AREAS IN OUR CITY WHERE WE ARE, UH, UH, SO, BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS, CUSTOMER BRADSHAW, MARY TURN OF FUNDS IN THE 10 TO 50 TIMES RANGE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO START SEEING THOSE DOLLARS? NOPE.
UH, THOSE, THOSE, THOSE THINGS TAKE TIME.
I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A NATURAL DISASTER? IS THERE GOING TO BE A BIG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROSPECT IS, YOU KNOW, JUST, I WOULDN'T BE LIKE, OR THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT IF, IF WE ARE NOT MAKING CONSIDERABLE HEADWAY ON PROJECTS WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, YOU KNOW, OR WHERE WE CAN SEE IT, THEN WE WOULDN'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU TRY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D WANT TO HIRE A COMPANIES THAT HAVE A PROVEN RECORD OF DELIVERING FOR OTHER CITIES AND USE THAT AS MY BASIS, BECAUSE NOBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WITH THE CITY OF KYLE AND ITS CURRENT GROWTH RATES, IT'S DEMOGRAPHICS, IT'S IT'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT THERE WOULD BE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS FOR US TO GO AFTER, UM, YOU KNOW, EARMARKS, APPROPRIATIONS AND INFLUENCE AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR HAPPENS PROBABLY MORE AT THE STATE LEVEL THAN IT DOES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
UH, AND ONE THING THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PROJECTS OR GRANTS, IT'S ALSO ABOUT INFLUENCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THOSE, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS CAN HELP WITH THAT AS CUSTOMER FORCE SCALE.
UM, BOTH SCOTT AND PEREZ, IS THERE A GUARANTEE IF WE GET A LOBBYIST THAT, THAT WE WILL RECEIVE MONEY, I WOULD DEFER THAT TO OUR CITY MANAGER.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF HOPING, AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FEDERAL LOBBYIST AND I'M
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EVEN OPEN TO HAVING A STATE ONLY REALLY UP TO THE DIOCESE.I DON'T MIND HAVING ONE, BUT I THINK TO HAVE BOTH IN THE SAME YEAR, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT.
UM, AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'M OKAY WITH JUST ONE LOBBYISTS, WHETHER IT BE FEDERAL OR STATE, AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE STATE WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL AND BE OPEN TO THAT.
BUT KNOWING THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND EVEN OUR PARKS AND REC, AND A LOT OF EMPLOYEES ARE OVERWORKED AND OVERWHELMED, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MONEY AND ALLOCATE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
THE ONLY THING I KNOW IS I GUARANTEE STANDPOINT, THEY WILL NOT PRODUCE.
SO THE GUARANTEES ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YEAH, THAT IS DEFINITELY CORRECT.
I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY.
I UNDERSTAND THE WANT FOR LOBBYISTS.
I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO HAVE THE LOBBYISTS FOR THE FUNDING, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE IS STILL NO GUARANTEE THE MONEY INVESTED.
WE WOULD GET SOMETHING BACK IN RETURN.
AND AGAIN, WHEN I SPOKE TO THE CHIEF, WE BROUGHT UP HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE ON DUTY AT ANY REGULAR TIME, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENINGS.
WE SAY FOUR TO ONE AND OUR POPULATION'S AT 50,000 PLUS.
SO YOU'RE PUTTING ONE OFFICER PER EVERY 10,000 PEOPLE.
SO I AGREE WITH DEX, UH, COUNCILMAN ELLISON FROM THE BEGINNING, WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BACK AT THE LAST BUDGET MEETING TO INCREASE IT BY TWO OFFICERS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR, ACTUALLY THERE WAS SOMEBODY TAKING OFF RIGHT NOW FOR EMERGENCY.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT I STILL FEEL THAT WHEN WE HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, IT WOULD REALLY HELP WITH RECRUITING BECAUSE I'VE TALKED WITH OFFICERS THAT I WORK WITH IN, FROM SOMEBODY WHO DOES, DOES A LOT OF MANDATORY OVERTIME WHEN THEY GO AND THEY LOOK FOR POSITIONS WHEN THEY GET OUT OF THE ACADEMY.
BUT WHENEVER THEY SEE THAT THERE'S ONE OR TWO POSITIONS OPEN IN ONE AGENCY, THEY HAVE A REAL LONG SHOT NOT GETTING ON BOARD.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT GOOD, THOSE GOOD QUALIFIED OFFICERS TO JOIN OUR FORCE TO THE GOLD STANDARD THAT WE HAVE.
AND ALSO AGAIN, THE PUBLIC SAFETY SHOULD ALWAYS BE THE PRIORITY THAT I'VE ALWAYS STRESSED.
NOW, IT'S NOT THAT I AM PUTTING BLINDERS ON SAYING THAT I'M ALL ABOUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
OF COURSE I SUPPORT, BUT I'VE ALSO SUPPORTED OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AS WELL.
I'VE VOTED FOR A LOT OF THINGS FOR THE PARKS REC TO GET WHAT THEY NEED, SAME THING FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
BUT I THINK WITH THIS RIGHT HERE, I UNDERSTAND MARY YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT PRIORITIZING AND GETTING THE FUNDING NOW.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S STILL JUST NO GUARANTEE.
AND EVERYBODY, WE ARE STILL IN A CRISIS.
WE DON'T KNOW THE GUARANTEES OF WHAT A LOBBYIST COULD DO FOR US DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE THE AVAILABLE FUNDS TO GET THESE OFFICERS.
WE COULD BE ABLE TO GET OUR CITY UP TO STAFF WITH THE ADDITIONAL FOUR.
IT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT US LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
CUSTOMER IS UP SCOTT, JUST REAL QUICK.
UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT, WE WERE LOOKING AT INCREASING FINES OR WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT FINALLY, UH, GOING BACK TO NORMAL.
SO THE HISTORIC REVENUE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO A MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR.
I BELIEVE WE'RE TRENDING, UH, END OF YEAR, ABOUT 400,000, ROUGHLY.
SO WE'RE ABOUT $600,000, LESS THAN PRE COVID NUMBERS FOR REVENUE.
UH, NOT TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ANY SORT OF QUOTA OR EXPECTATION, BUT DURING THE COVID YEARS, WE'VE BEEN, UH, BASICALLY EASING OFF THE GAS PEDAL, UH, TO OUR RESIDENTS, THE, THE HOPE IN THIS BUDGET WITH ADDITIONAL THINGS.
IN ADDITION TO THE PATROL OFFICERS LIKE LPR LICENSE PLATE READERS, UH, COMING OUT OF COVID, WE THINK WE WILL JUST NATURALLY GRAVITATE BACK TOWARDS SOME OF THOSE HISTORICAL WE'RE TO NORMAL, CORRECT.
BACK TO NORMAL, REALLY HISTORICAL NORMAL NORMALCY IS WHAT I'M THINKING, WHAT WE DID PRE PANDEMIC, WHAT ARE THE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE DOLLARS IF WE TAKE THEM AWAY FROM THE OFFICERS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE FUNDING TWO OFFICERS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THOSE DOLLARS THEN? ARE THEY JUST GOING TO SIT THERE? SO, SO THAT MONEY WILL JUST COME INTO GENERAL REVENUE
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AND SO THAT IT WILL BE, UH, UNAPPROPRIATED FUNDS IN THE GENERAL FUND.SO IT'S JUST MONEY SITTING THERE.
THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE MONEY, JUST SIT THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A NEED.
UM, A SECOND QUESTION GOES BACK TO, UM, I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION.
SOMETHING THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER MEMBER, AS I BROUGHT UP A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF PANDEMIC, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT TALKING TO A PAST COUNCIL MEMBER FROM SAN MARCUS, AFTER THE MEMORIAL DAY, FLOODS, THEIR LOBBYISTS HELP THEM, UH, SECURE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR FLOOD MITIGATION.
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR LOBBYISTS IN THERE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED ANYTHING.
AND, UH, THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE REASON I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY WOULDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOBBYIST ADVOCATING FOR US, SAN MARCUS DID.
AND THEY, UH, THE BENEFIT FOR THEM OUTWEIGHED THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT A HUNDRED TIMES FOLD, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I, I THINK I WORRY ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING UP FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS THAT WE NEED, INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, WHAT WE NEED AS A CITY, BECAUSE FOR ME, PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT JUST THE OFFICERS.
IT'S THE ROADS THAT WE TRAVEL BECAUSE OUR ROADS RIGHT NOW ARE NOT SAFE.
ALL OF OUR ROADS ARE UNMARKED.
I GOT A PHONE CALL THIS WEEK ABOUT, UH, THE ROAD IN FRONT OF LAYMAN, NOT HAVING THE MARKINGS TO DIVIDE THE TWO ROADS.
SO, UH, I KNOW THAT FOR ME, PUBLIC SAFETY GOES, UH, IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S THE ROADWAYS, IT'S THE LIGHTING.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.
AND I'M THINKING OF HOW DO I GET DOLLARS FOR ALL THIS? AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T KNOW CAUSE WE'RE THINKING OF CREATIVE WAYS TO DO THAT.
BUT I, I THINK THAT IF WE'VE GOT MONEY COMING IN, WE SHOULDN'T LEAVE IT ON THE SHELF.
ILL THING IS THAT IF THERE'S POTENTIAL THERE, I THINK THAT WE SOMETIMES LIFE IS A GAMBLE.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S, I I'M, I'M JUST, UM, I GUESS I'M, I'M TORN BOTH WAYS, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FEDERAL LOBBYIST IN THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMING IN WITH A INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.
THAT PLAN IS ALSO GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN TO THE STATE LEVEL.
I THINK THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE DOLLARS TO STATE AND THE STATE'S GOING TO ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS.
UH, TWO STUDIES, I HATE TO SAY IT, THEY HAVE LOBBYISTS AND WE DON'T.
AND IF OUR GOAL IS NOT TO ADDRESS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S NOT GO TOWARDS A STATE LOBBYIST, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PURSUE OUR INTERVIEWS THIS YEAR.
AND IN THE PAST, I WASN'T FOR A STATE LOBBYIST.
UM, BUT AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, I, I I'M KINDA LEANING THAT WAY.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS YEAR I'M EVEN SUPPORTING A FEDERAL LOBBYIST IS BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN THAT'S COMING FORWARD.
AND I'D REALLY LIKE US TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS A STUDY, BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, WE'RE HURTING.
WE'RE, UH, BEHIND THE TIMES WE HAVE CLAY PIPE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY STILL, AND, UH, ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO, UH, IMPROVE THAT BE GREAT.
UH, BUT AS FAR AS TAKING DOLLARS AWAY, UH, FROM TWO OFFICERS, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT MONEY IS JUST GOING TO SIT THERE SO THAT MONEY'S COMING IN NO MATTER WHAT, WHERE WE ALLOCATED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OUT IS NOT JUST GOING TO SIT THERE.
IF WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND THE TWO OFFICERS ENLISTED, FIND SOMEWHERE TO PUT THAT MONEY, THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUR CITY, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, UM, IN INFRASTRUCTURE OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW, JUST MY THOUGHTS, CUSTOMER ELLISON.
SO I WILL HAVE TO SAY AFTER THIS DISCUSSION, UH, I FEEL LIKE Y'ALL HAVE MADE A STRONG CASE THAT IT SHOULD BE THE FEDERAL LOBBYIST, UH, ALLOCATION THAT WE SHOULD BE CUTTING.
SO THE 1 72, AS OPPOSED TO THE STATE ONE.
SO, UH, I'LL SAY THIS, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS FOR THE LOBBYIST AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T DO IT, THEN YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO, UH, GET ANY FUNDING, JUST LIKE IT'S NO GUARANTEE IF YOU HAVE A LOBBYIST TO GET THE FUNDING.
SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT EVEN PROPOSING THAT WE CUT BOTH LOBBYISTS.
I'M SAYING THAT RATHER THAN JUMPING IN BOTH FEET WITH BOTH A FEDERAL AND STATE LOBBYISTS THAT WE HAVE STILL AS A COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, AS YET TO HEAR A LEGITIMATE PRESENTATION ON WHAT THIS COULD BRING TO OUR, OUR CITY TO, FOR US, JUST TO NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
AND THEN TO USE THAT FUNDING TO FUND OFFICERS, AND AS FAR AS MONEY JUST SITTING THERE, THIS IS A PROJECTED DOLLAR AMOUNT COUNCIL.
THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEED DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE'LL GET IN CITATION REVENUES AND FIND REVENUES.
THIS IS PROJECTED THAT IF THINGS GO BACK TO THAT, BUT I'LL BE TRYING TO BUILD A CITY OF, UH, THAT IS SAFE.
AND MAYBE THERE, THERE WON'T BE THAT FUNDING BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING THE WAY WE, WE APPROACH POLICING AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND JUST DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE MAYBE THOSE PROJECTIONS AREN'T MET BECAUSE
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OF THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE DOING AND THAT WE'RE GOING, UH, FROM A REACTIVE POLICE FORCE TO A MORE PROACTIVE POLICE FORCE.SO IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY THE CITATION TO TAKE AWAY THE CITATION REVENUE TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE, UH, FUNDING TO OFFICERS.
THE OBJECTIVE HERE, IF I'M COOKING, IF I CANNOT BE EVEN MORE CLEAR IS TO ADD MORE PATROL OFFICERS, THAT IS THE OBJECTIVE.
AND I'M TRYING TO FIND DOLLARS ELSEWHERE BESIDES PROJECTED CITATION AND FIND REVENUES TO, IN ORDER TO FUND SET OFFICERS.
AND, AND I PROPOSE TO THE TASK FORCE THAT THIS WAS AN OPTION.
THE TASK FORCE, WE ASK THIS QUESTION ABOUT IT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE BROUGHT THE WORD LAST TIME.
SO I'M SORRY YOU KEEP SAYING, YOU PROPOSE TO THE TASK FORCE ABOUT THE POLICE BUDGET.
SO YEAH, I'M JUST BEING, I'M, I'M BEING TRANSPARENT THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT FORWARD.
THE IDEA THAT THIS IS, UH, ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO ADD IN ORDER TO MEET THE OBJECTIVES OF THE TASK FORCE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN I WAS THE ONE THAT PITCHED THE TASK FORCE ON WHERE WE COULD FIND MONEY TO DO THAT, THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
AND SO THEREFORE I PITCHED THE TASK FORCE ON IT AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND WE TO PITCH THAT TO THE COUNCIL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE THAT YOU DID THAT.
HOW IS THAT INAPPROPRIATE? EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE IN A MANNER THAT, OKAY, I'M BRINGING FORWARD AN IDEA TO A TASK FORCE THAT WAS SANCTIONED BY THE COUNCIL THAT THAT HAS NO HOLD ON, HOLD ON, SIR.
HOLD ON, STOP INTERRUPTING THEM.
SO WE THEN BROUGHT THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.
SO THERE WAS NOTHING THERE WASN'T LIKE A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, FUNDING THAT WAS THERE WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, AN ALLOCATED WHO WAS IDEA, WAS IT TO, UH, PUT $300,000 FOR A LOBBYISTS? THERE WAS NO TASK FORCE FORMED ON THAT.
THAT CERTAINLY WASN'T STAFF'S IDEA.
SO DON'T TELL ME WHAT, WHAT ISN'T APPROPRIATE.
SO W THE WAY I WENT ABOUT IT WAS EXACTLY A WAY OF BRINGING FORWARD TO A TASK FORCE THAT WAS SANCTIONED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND THEN THAT TASK FORCE, THEN COMING TO THE COUNCIL TO PITCH THIS IDEA, WHICH THE COUNCIL CAN ACCEPT OR REJECT, NOT JUST ALLOCATING FUNDS AND DIRECTING STAFF TO PUT FUNDS IN A BUDGET LIKE THE $300,000 OR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, OR THESE OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CONSULTATION OF THE COUNCIL.
SO I WANT TO PAUSE YOU ON THAT.
IT BEING INAPPROPRIATE, EVERYTHING THAT I JUST LAID OUT IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY OF MOVING THINGS FORWARD.
SO THAT IS ON THAT, BUT SO THAT, THAT WAS HOW IT HAPPENED.
I'M JUST BEING, I'M JUST BEING OPEN AND PUBLIC ABOUT HOW THAT CAME ABOUT.
THAT WAS, YES, MY, MY, MY IDEA.
AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THINGS THAT OTHER CITY POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FUND OR OTHER ITEMS IN, WHICH YOU THINK WE SHOULD CUT, I ASKED YOU FOR THAT LAST TIME IN THE LAST BUDGET WORK SESSION, AND YOU, YOU, YOU DID NOT, UH, GIVE ANYTHING.
THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND CERTAINLY BEFORE FIRST READING, BUT SO THAT, THAT IS WHERE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE THE HEAD.
SO IF YOU HAD SOME IDEAS THAT SOME OTHER STAFF MEMBERS OR POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, PRESENT THAT, TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
THAT IS, THAT IS HOW YOU GO ABOUT THAT SAME THING.
IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA OF SOMEWHERE ELSE TO CUT BESIDES THE LOBBYIST LINE ITEM, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE PRESENTED THAT LAST MEETING WHEN, WHEN IT WAS ASKED OF YOU MAYOR PRO TEM.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY BEFORE US IS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO CUT A PORTION OR ALL OF THE LOBBYISTS FUNDING.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE OF WHERE TO TAKE THE MONEY, BUT THE MOTION IS REALLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CUT THIS ITEM.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF IT'S ACCEPTED OR REJECTED, THEN THERE'S OTHER AREAS WHERE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANT TO CREATE FUNDS, UH, TO THEN USE FOR POLICE OFFICERS CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S FAIR TO, TO ASK ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHERE TO CUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO CUT THIS ITEM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
I I'M NEVER AGAINST, UM, FUNDING OUR OFFICERS.
I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL IS AGAINST FUNDING, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE OFFICERS, BUT WHAT I AM AGAINST IS CUTTING, UH, THIS FUNDING RIGHT HERE.
AND SO WHEN I VOTE, UH, AGAINST CUTTING THIS FUNDING, IT'S BECAUSE I FIND THAT THIS LINE ITEM TO BE AN INVESTMENT AND BRING US BACK MORE MONEY.
AND EVERYBODY THAT I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT THIS THINKS THIS IS A SMART IDEA FOR US TO BE DOING AS A CITY.
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GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF CUTTING THIS ITEM FROM STATE OR FEDERAL, BECAUSE I ALSO BELIEVE IT'S COVERING ALL OUR BASES IN A PANDEMIC IN A TIME WHEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS GIVEN AWAY MORE MONEY THAN WE'VE EVER SEEN IT GIVE AWAY BEFORE.SO I'M A LITTLE BIT TEED OFF THAT WE'RE GETTING TO THIS POINT, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE EMBARRASSING, BUT, UH, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, UH, THAT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF CUTTING THIS AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE, BUT, UH, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO CUT SOMETHING ELSE FROM THE BUDGET, UM, TO FUND OFFICERS, OR YOU DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO HISTORICAL, UH, REVENUES AND USE THAT TO FUND THE OFFICERS, UH, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT I'M REALLY HOPING THAT WE KEEP THIS IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE THIS IS A SMART LINE ITEM FOR US AS A CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UH, IT, UH, IT, THE MOTION IS TO, UH, JUST TO CUT THE STATE LOBBY AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE SAID.
UH, SO A YES VOTE WOULD BE TO CUT THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE POLICE BUDGET AT THIS TIME.
BRADSHAW RIZZO, MITCHELL ELLISON.
UH, THREE TO FOUR, FOUR TO THREE.
HOWEVER YOU WOULD SAY THAT I NEVER KNOW WHICH ONE TO PUT FIRST THERE.
SO, UH, DOES ANYBODY, UH, UH, ELSE HAVE ANY IDEAS? WE STILL HAVE THE TWO OFFICERS FUNDED, UH, IN THE, IN THE POSITION, IS THERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A DESIRE FOR MORE OFFICERS.
UH, I I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME, UH, UH, PROPOSALS AS WELL FOR WAYS TO GET OUR, UH, PARKS CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN OUR RIGHT AWAY, BUT CUSTOMER ISN'T GO AHEAD.
UM, I JUST WANTED A CHANCE TO LOOK AT AN A LINE ITEM.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT LINE ITEM OF THE, THE ADDITION OF A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UM, IT'S A $250,000, $348, $250,348 A LINE ITEM.
I'M LOOKING BACK AT THIS CHART THAT, UH, SHOWS US THE WAY THINGS ARE ALLOCATED AS FAR AS A CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF STAFF, AND IT MAY BE POSSIBLY ANOTHER CITY MANAGER.
WOULD I LOOK AT THE SHARP? WHAT I SEE IS I SEE A CITY MANAGER AND I SEE THREE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS.
UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THOSE CITY MANAGERS ONLY HAS A CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, TITLE.
I THINK THAT THAT TITLE SHOULD BE CHANGED.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR A PAY RAISE AT THIS TIME.
SORRY, BUT I AM LOOKING AT AVID, UH, CHANGING THAT DESCRIPTION BECAUSE IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CHART, RIGHT, HE HAS ALMOST THE SAME JOB DUTIES AS THE OTHER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
AND THEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ADDING A DEPUTY, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO RATHER SEE AS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AS WELL, AND AT A CHEAPER PRICE TAG, IT MAY MAYBE ABOUT $160,000 A YEAR, WHICH ALLOCATES ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
IF WE WANTED TO ADD A POLICE OFFICER, I THINK WE COULD GET IT FROM THERE.
UM, MY THINKING ON THIS, AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS CHART THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US, AND IT SHOWS THAT OUR CITY MANAGER IS IN CHARGE OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, CIP, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN OUR CHIEF OF STAFF IS, UH, IN CHARGE OF QUALITY OF LIVE TOURISM, PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THEN THE NEW ONE WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF BUSINESS GROWTH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT.
UM, I SEE THREE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS WHERE I'M LOOKING AT ONE CITY MANAGER.
ONE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS THAT WE, UH, WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK, UH, HE, HE, UM, MAKES A GOOD DEAL OF MONEY, BUT HE'S DEFINITELY WORTH IT.
CAUSE HE PUTS IN A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF WORK, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM SOME HELP, I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I WOULD LOOK AT PROMOTING OUR CHIEF OF STAFF TO AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AS WELL, AND HAVING THREE CITY MANAGERS AND SAVING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, SCOTT, I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB OF RUNNING THE CITY.
AND I THINK THAT YOU BEING THE HEAD OF, OF, OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW WITH COUNCIL DIRECTION, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE CREATED LIKE A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, BREAK THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
I THINK HAVING THREE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS AND EACH ONE OF THEM TAKING ON THE TWO DEPARTMENTS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WAY TO GO.
UM, AND I I'D LIKE TO SEE IT THAT WAY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD SAVE US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AS WELL, AND WE COULD ALLOCATE THAT TOWARDS ANOTHER OFFICER.
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FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE WORDS.
UH, UM, I'M ANTICIPATING SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.
SO LET ME JUST PUT SOME, SOME INFORMATION OUT ON THE TABLE.
UH, SO HAVING A THIRD ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND, UH, I'VE RUN SOME NUMBERS ASKED PREVIOUS AND SANDRA TO, TO LOOK AT SOME PARODY ANALYSIS.
AND THEN WHAT THAT SALARY BENEFITS WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR BOTH AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UH, BRINGING SOMEONE NEW AND THEN ALSO TO BRING OUR CHIEF OF STAFF TO AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER LEVEL.
SO I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO ADD A PAY COMPONENT, BUT I'LL, I'LL THROW A DOLLAR AMOUNT OUT THERE IN CASE THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION, UH, THE, UH, SALARY PLUS BENEFITS PLUS SUPPORT COSTS FOR AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UH, WITH THE PARODY CITIES THAT WE HAVE IS ROUGHLY $195,000 ALL IN.
SO THE, UH, AND THAT'S TAKING A, A BASE PARODY WAGE OF ABOUT 130, 4,000 FOR THAT POSITION, THE PAY DIFFERENTIAL, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FROM JUST EIGHT CHIEF OF STAFF POSITION TO AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POSITION, JUST LOOKING AT THE POSITIONS, UH, AND NOT THE PERSON FILLING THAT IS ROUGHLY $40,000 SALARY BENEFITS SUPPORT COSTS IN AT 250 FOR GETTY.
SO WE WOULD TAKE 40 THERE AND THEN 109.
SO WHAT WOULD WE BE LEFT WITH THAT FIRST 15,000, 15,000? WELL, SCOTT, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT COMES FORWARD? AS I SAID, I MEAN, THAT'S A RIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD BE BETTER SERVED HAVING THREE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS OF EQUAL STATUS, OR WOULD YOU BE BETTER SERVED WITH THERE BEING SOME HIERARCHY IN THAT, IN THAT CIRCLE? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I'VE LOOKED AT IT, UH, RUN A DIFFERENT ORG CHART SCENARIOS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
I'VE TALKED TO, UH, JAMES AND JERRY, BOTH WHO ARE IN THOSE POSITIONS RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK THIS NEXT YEAR MOVING FORWARD, IT PROBABLY IS BETTER FOR US JUST TO MOVE INTO A THIRD ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POSITION.
IF AT SOME FUTURE DATE, WE NEED TO PROMOTE ONE OF THOSE INTO OUR HIERARCHAL DEPUTY POSITION.
WE CAN EXPLORE THAT IN FUTURE BUDGETS, BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, JUST FROM A, A SPAN OF CONTROL, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD HAVE AS A CITY MANAGER IS THOSE THREE DIRECT REPORTS.
AND THEN ANY OTHER DIRECT REPORT THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY WOULD BE OFFSET TO THAT THIRD ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE OKAY FROM SPAN EXCEPT FOR LEGAL AND COMMUNICATIONS.
WELL, UH, SO THE WAY WE DO IT AND, AND I WOULD PUT CITY SECRETARY IN THERE ALSO, UH, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH ME FROM A DAY TO DAY MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM WHAT I TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST BUDGET WORK SESSION, WHERE A WEEKLY AND MORE ONGOING, UH, MENTORING, COACHING SUPERVISORY ROLE THAT COULD, THAT COMPONENT COULD BE OFFSET TO THOSE POSITIONS OTHER THAN LEGAL RIGHT.
AND LEGAL WOULD CONTINUE TO, TO THEM PUT THE CHARTER.
I DON'T THINK I'D BE IN FAVOR OF PROMOTING.
UM, I, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY HEADS THERE AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
I, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING A CITY, UH, CITY MANAGER GIVE ME DIRECTION AND THREE ASSISTANTS IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO ROUTE.
I DON'T THINK I, THE OTHER REASON IS THAT WE, WE HIRED YOU TO RUN THE CITY AND I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST ABOUT IT.
WE HIRED YOU TO RUN THE CITY, AND I THINK WE, WE DID, UH, THE POUNCE COUNCIL.
WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF, UH, FINDING YOU AND BRING YOU TO OUR CITY.
I THINK, UH, COUNCIL, PRESIDENT COUNCIL NOW WORKING WITH YOU IS DOING A GREAT JOB AS WELL, BUT I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND.
YOU'RE OUR ONE EMPLOYEE FOR THE CITY, UH, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
SO I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF PROMOTING LATER ON.
I THINK HAVING THE THREE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS IS ALREADY A STRETCH.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THERE AND NOT TAKE ANY HIGHER ELEVATED
UM, I, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPINION, BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER.
AND, UM, I KNOW WHEN THE IDEA WAS THROWN OUT THERE, UM, ORIGINALLY IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT MYSELF AND ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HAD HAD SAID THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE YOU HAVE HELP.
AND SO, UM, THAT IS COMPLETELY TRUE.
HOWEVER, I NEVER PHANTOM THE IDEA OF HAVING A DEPUTY.
I ALWAYS JUST SAW IT AS SOMEBODY TO ASSIST.
AND SO IT KIND OF RELIEVES ME THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO BRINGS THIS UP BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING ANOTHER ASSISTANT, I THINK A DEPUTY WAS KIND OF OFF THE CHARTS FOR ME.
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AND THAT WAS NEVER WHAT I INTENDED TO, TO, TO BRING ABOUT OR TO THINK WHEN, WHEN I MADE THAT STATEMENT.SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, AND THEN I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPEN AND HONESTY ABOUT WHAT YOU FEEL LIKE SHOULD BE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL TO YOU? SO YOUR, UH, YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE FOR US TO CREATE A THIRD OF ASSISTANCE ASSISTANT MEANT WELL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND.
SO YOU'RE SAYING TO CREATE TWO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POSITIONS AND THEN DO AWAY WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURALLY YES, SIR.
AND THEN THE, THE, THE PAY YOU'VE GOT SORTED OUT, IT'S ABOUT A $15,000 NET SAVINGS COMPARED TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A RECLASSIFICATION OF OUR CHIEF OF STAFF TO ACM AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL ACM THAT'S CORRECT.
AND YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S GOING TO GET YOU THE HELP THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, KALE AND COUNCIL MEMBER BRADSHAW BROUGHT UP THAT INITIAL NEED.
KYLE IS, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND WITH THAT, AND WITH THE REDUCED STAFF THAT WE HAVE COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, OUR SIZE, WE NEED HELP COMBINE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL'S PROACTIVE DIRECTION, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE.
UH, BUT THIS COUNCIL IS VERY ACTIVE AND, UH, THE CITY HAS GONE JUST AMAZING PLACES BECAUSE OF IT.
UH, I BELIEVE THE, THE FOCUS AND THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL FOR ME IS TO SHIFT AWAY FROM DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF STAFF AND DIRECT REPORTS TO, UH, REALLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING, WHICH IS MUCH MORE COUNCIL RELATIONS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE LOBBYIST, UH, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL STATE ADVOCACY, UH, A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF NEGOTIATING WITH, UH, LOCAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL CONTINUE, UH, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE THE COUNCIL AS MUCH AS, AS YOU DESIRE.
SO WITH THAT, UH, SO YOU'RE STILL GOING PLACES.
WE HAVE TREMENDOUS MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT MOMENTUM SLOW DOWN JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T HANDLE IT WITH MY SCHEDULE.
I'M PUTTING IN 14 TO 16 HOUR DAYS, RIGHT.
JUST, JUST TO KEEP UP, UH, I PROBABLY WILL STILL DO THAT, BUT JUST DIFFERENTLY.
IT WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE COUNCIL DIRECTION.
AND, AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE LAST WORK SESSION, I DO THINK FROM A SUPERVISOR STANDPOINT, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN MY DIRECT REPORTS HAVE BEEN UNDERSERVED BY MY INABILITY TO, TO COACH AND DIRECT THEM ON MORE FREQUENT BASIS.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
WELL, IF, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU FEEL IS, IS BEST SCOTT, THAT WAS ALWAYS WHAT, WHAT I SUPPORTED.
UM, AND SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO DO IT.
I THINK IT CAN SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS, WHICH IS ALL WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO, UM, THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, DEFINITELY.
SO I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT TO A PROMOTED CHIEF OF STAFF, TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND HIRING ANOTHER CITY MANAGER SECOND, ALL RIGHT.
MOTION BY CUSTOMER RIZZO, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM THAT WE REPRIORITIZE THE CHIEF OF STAFF POSITION TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER THAT WE, UH, REDUCED THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UH, AND THAT WE MAKE THE FUNDING ADJUSTMENTS AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, WHICH IS A NET SAVINGS FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF $15,000.
SO ALL THAT SAME, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU GOT THAT PREVIOUS ACCURATE, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
WHO WHO'S NEXT? WHO'S GOT SOMETHING THEY WANT TO GO TOWARDS.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE QUITE SOLVED THE ISSUE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE WERE GOING TO REALLOCATE MONEY FOR THE, UM, LOBBYISTS TOO.
SO I HAVE HAD, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL RIGHT NOW.
CAUSE I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE LOBBYIST WAS A GOOD IDEA.
AND ANYWAYS, SO MY WHOLE CAN WE DO, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A NET INCREASE IN PROPOSED ENDING FUND BALANCE.
CAN WE USE SOME OF THAT IN ADDITION TO THE $15,000 THAT WAS SAVED WITH, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POSITION, OR IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY WAYS
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TO GET TO MORE OFFICERS HIGHER.FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIONS.
AND SO THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE FIND THE MONEY TO HIRE TWO MORE OFFICERS? YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I HEARD, YES.
I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A SPLIT THING PROBABLY.
WELL, I MEAN, WE PROBABLY ALL WANT TO HEAR IT.
HOW DO WE GET THE MONEY, OBVIOUSLY? SO NOT AS MUCH AS LOBBYISTS, NOT AS MUCH AS YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A LOBBY.
LIKE TO GO BACK TO THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THERE WERE DI BUT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WAS IN FAVOR OF YES.
NO, THEY WOULD JUST WANT TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO FUND IT.
SO I WAS JUST LOOPING BACK AROUND.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION PERVEZ.
WE STILL HAVE, SORRY, SORRY TO WAKE YOU UP THERE.
WE STILL HAVE, UM, TWO OFFICERS IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW THOUGH WITH THAT ONE 90.
SO WE'RE STILL JUST TALKING ABOUT TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS ON TOP OF THESE TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICER FOUR.
SO THOSE OFFICERS JUST SPEAK CLEAR.
COUNSELOR ARE BEING FUNDED BY PROJECTED REVENUES FROM CITATIONS AND FINES.
WELL, THE
AND THAT LINE ITEM IS, IS, IS FUNGIBLE.
WE HAD A ONE WE'VE GOT A $1.3 MILLION SURPLUS OR $1.8 MILLION SURPLUS IN SALES TAX AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A VERY FUNGIBLE DOLLAR.
IT WAS JUST THE EASIEST WAY BECAUSE THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN REDUCED SO MUCH, UH, TO, TO MAKE THE BUDGET HOLE.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NOT LIKE IF WE MISS THAT NUMBER THAT THE POLICE, THE POLICE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE A IRREVOCABLY RE YOU KNOW, HARMED OR THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PAY THE OFFICER'S MAYOR PRO TIP.
SO HAVE A, AND HELP ME OUT WITH A SCOT OF THE HISTORICAL REVENUES THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOWN.
YOU THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND $600,000.
IT WAS AT A MILLION, YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS AT FOUR RIGHT NOW.
WHEN I LOOK TO ANDY HERE TO GIVE US THE ACCURATE, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE EVEN ROUGH NUMBERS, IT'S CLOSE.
WELL, THESE NUMBERS INCLUDE THE CURRENT COVID SITUATION OR THE 4 18, 19, OR ANY KIND OF PROJECTED COVID SITUATION.
CAUSE I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, NOBODY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE AS BAD AS IT IS NOW.
SO THE EXPLANATION OR JUSTIFICATION FOR THE $190,000 INCREASE IS BASICALLY WE'RE ADDING TWO OFFICERS.
THEY WILL BE PATROLLING IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING OFFICERS AND THAT WE WILL BE GETTING BACK TO PRE COVID OR PRE PANDEMIC PATROLLING LEVELS.
SO WE'RE ENHANCING THE PROJECTION FOR OUR CITATION REVENUE BY $190,000 BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO FACTORS OUT OF CURIOSITY COULD, UH, AN ISSUE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE DELTA VARIANT AFFECT THOSE NUMBERS IN A WAY THAT IT WOULD BE LESS.
IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT WE WILL NOT, UH, THE 190,000 WILL NOT MATERIALIZE.
HOWEVER, YOU HAVE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES THAT HAVE REALLY SURPRISED US DURING A PANDEMIC, SUCH AS SALES TAX.
SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A BETTER FUNDING SOURCE THAN CITATIONS? EITHER ONE WILL HAVE THE SAME NET RESULT, YOU'LL HAVE THE TWO NEW OFFICERS AND WE WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET.
SO IT'S REALLY HOW COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO LABEL THAT.
SO YEAH, PERVEZ IS RIGHT IN OR BEZ IS ANSWERING AS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, BUT IT'S THE WAY THAT FUNDING IS HAPPENING.
THAT, THAT, THAT I AT LEAST HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, SO I HAVEN'T QUESTION IF, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY MORE FOR CUSTOMER ELLISON, BUT IF, IF OUR BUDGET WAS, IF THE AMOUNT WE WERE COLLECTING AS A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT WE REDUCE OUR BUDGET TO 400,000, ARE WE NOW TELLING THE OFFICERS THAT WE WANT THEM TO ONLY COLLECT 400,000 OR ARE IF WE INCREASE IT TO SIX BY THE NUMBER IN THE BUDGET, IS THAT GIVING THEM THE NUMBER OR THE TARGET TO BE LOOKING FOR THAT THEY'RE TRYING, ARE WE JUST TRYING TO ACCURATELY GUESS WHAT WE THINK
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THE REVENUES WILL BE? IF WE'RE TRYING TO ACCURATELY, GUESS WHAT WE THINK THE QUESTION IS NOT, ARE WE INCENTIVIZING OFFICERS TO GO OUT AND CITATIONS? THE QUESTION IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF PATROL THAT IS AVAILABLE AND OUR TYPICAL STANDARD POLICIES FOR ISSUING CITATIONS, ARE WE ACCURATELY MEASURING THAT NUMBER AND IS IT LOW OR IS IT HIGH OR IS IT ACCURATE? SO THE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S TOO LOW, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING ANY, ANY SERVICES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MONEY THAT'S COMING IN THAT WE'RE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR.AND IF IT'S TOO HIGH, IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE.
SO YEAH, I THINK I CAN BRING CHIEF BACK UP.
CAUSE HE, HE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT IN WORK SESSION, SESSION, NUMBER THREE, WHERE BASED ON THE NEW WAY OF PATROL, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGIES, WE THINK WE WILL BE AT THOSE NUMBERS BY ACCURATELY PROJECTING.
WELL, IF WE GET THOSE, UH, THOSE, UH, UH, CAMERAS, THEY'LL TAKE ALL THE LESSONS, PLATE READERS DOESN'T MATTER.
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.
WE'LL JUST, BUT THAT'S HOW YOU GET THOSE NUMBERS, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE RECORDS.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES.
I'LL DISCUSS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON A LOT OF WHAT IFS AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
SO I'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S POSITION ON ALL THAT.
IT IS NOT IN OUR INTEREST AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT REVENUE.
OUR INTEREST IS IN MAKING THE ROADWAY SAFE AND, UH, SERVING JUSTICE.
AND SOMETIMES THAT CULMINATES WITH A CITATION BEING ISSUED OR AN ARREST OR WHATNOT WE ARE.
BUT ONE COMPONENT OF THE ENTIRE PROCESS TOO, THAT THE CITY MAY COLLECT FINES OR FEES OR COURT COSTS OR WHATNOT.
UM, CERTAINLY IT STARTS WITH THE PATROL OFFICER ISSUING A CITATION IN THE FIELD, BUT THERE ARE MANY COMPONENTS FOLLOWING THAT ENCOUNTER WITH THE CITIZEN THAT RESULT IN REVENUE, COMING INTO THE CITY'S COFFERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HOLD COURT.
AND THAT HAS BEEN A LITTLE CHALLENGING WITH COVID, UH, BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER.
AND FOR A LONG TIME, I'M NOT OPERATING IN ITS NORMAL NORMAL CAPACITY.
PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO JURY TRIALS, AND THAT WAS, UH, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THE COURT SYSTEM EVERYWHERE HAD TO WORK THROUGH DURING THE PANDEMIC AND DETERMINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE JURY TRIALS, WHERE PEOPLE WHO DEMAND THOSE AND WHATNOT.
A SECOND THING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT, AND AS WELL WITHIN THE CERTAIN ARE WELL WITHIN THE RIGHTS OF THE JUDGE TO BE COMPASSIONATE AND TO LISTEN TO THE STORIES FROM THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN CITED AND TO TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION AS THE COURT DECIDES, ALL OF THAT IS OUTSIDE THE REALM OF A POLICE OFFICER'S CONCERNED.
THEY SIMPLY ISSUED THE CITATION, WHETHER THAT GETS DISMISSED FOR THE BEST USE OF JUSTICE OR WHETHER THAT GETS REDUCED TO A $1 FINE OR A $0 FINE OR COMMUNITY SERVICE, YOU NAME IT, ALL OF THAT IS WITHOUT SIDE OF OUR SCOPE.
UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON OUR RECENT BUDGET WORKSHOP IS THAT WE HAD HOPED, AND WE DO HOPE THAT WITH, UH, INCREASED IN THESE INCREASED NUMBERS IN STAFFING, UH, AND THAT MEANS WHETHER WE GET NEW POSITIONS OR NOT.
YES, OUR CURRENT ALLOTMENT OF POSITIONS ARE GETTING FIELD.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE LEFT AND WE HOPE TO HAVE A JOB OFFER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE FULLY STAFFED.
UH, AND AS OFFICERS GRADUATED, THE POLICE ACADEMY AND THE FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM, THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING THE JOB THAT YOU ACTUALLY HIRED THEM TO DO, WHICH IS TO SERVE IN IT AS A SINGLE OFFICER IN A PATROL UNIT AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO A CALL.
AS ALL OF THOSE THINGS COME TO FRUITION.
WE HOPE THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE OFFICERS OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY DOING THE JOB OF A POLICE OFFICER THAT WOULD NATURALLY LEND ITSELF TO CATCHING MORE TRAFFIC VIOLATORS AND ISSUING CITATIONS.
WHEN THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE STEP.
I ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE CHANGE IN POLICE PRACTICES DURING COVID.
WE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO AVOID MAKING TRAFFIC STOPS, UNLESS IT WAS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
SO THE EXPIRED REGISTRATION AND EXPIRED INSPECTION, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE GOVERNOR ACTUALLY SUSPENDED THAT FOR A WHILE.
SO THOSE ROUTINE TRAFFIC ENCOUNTERS STOPPED THE TICKETS THAT WE WERE RIDING FOR THOSE EXPIRED REGISTRATION AND INSPECTIONS ACTUALLY WENT AWAY FOR A WHILE.
UH, WE WERE NOT, WE'RE ACTUALLY STRONGLY ENCOURAGED AND WE AGREED WITH AVOIDING TAKING PEOPLE TO JAIL IF AT ALL POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF OVERCROWDING.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THE JAILS HAD COVID IN THEM EVENTUALLY.
AND WE WANTED TO AVOID THAT CATASTROPHE.
SO WE, WE CHANGED THE WAY WE WERE POLICING, BUT WE HOPE, UH, THIS IS NOT REGARDING THE CURRENT DELTA VARIANT IT'S INCREASING IN NUMBERS AND WHATNOT.
SO THIS IS FROM A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT A RETURN TO NORMALCY FOR POLICING.
WE DO MAKE MORE TRAFFIC STOPS NOW IN PART BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE OUT AND ABOUT, AND THEY'RE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU OUR ACCIDENT NUMBERS ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE SO MANY ACCIDENTS EVERY DAY IN THIS COMMUNITY, SEVERAL OF THEM ARE SEVERE.
WE HAD A FATALITY OR A PEDESTRIAN WAS HIT AND KILLED BY A HIT AND RUN DRIVER THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR, BY THE WAY, UM, PEOPLE ARE RETURNING TO THE STREETS INTO THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE OUT AND ABOUT, AND THEREFORE THEY'RE COMMITTING MORE TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.
THEREFORE WE'RE GETTING MORE COMPLAINTS
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ABOUT THOSE.SO WE'RE HIGHLY ENCOURAGING OUR OFFICERS TO GO OUT, TO MAKE THE ROADWAY SAFER, TO ISSUE CITATIONS, OUR JOB, RARELY EVER IF EVER CONCERNS ANYTHING ABOUT REVENUE AND ALL THAT.
WE DEFINITELY DO NOT HAVE A QUOTA.
WE DEFINITELY DO NOT WORK WITH A QUOTA OR NUMBERS OR FINANCIAL NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH TICKETS IN MIND BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET DISMISSED IN THE BEST INTEREST OF JUSTICE, MAYBE THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, BUT WHEN I DID MAKE MY COMMENTS A FEW WEEKS AGO, THAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE BASED ON A RETURN TO NORMAL POLICING, UH, IRRESPECTIVE OF THIS DELTA VARIANT, THAT IS CERTAINLY PLAGUING OUR NATION.
DO YOU THINK IS YOUR NUMBER THAT EVEN WITH 190 ADDED JUST A TOTAL OF 600? YES, SIR.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER BASED ON JUST TYPICAL, NOT THINKING ABOUT THE NUMBER NUMBER THAT'S LIKELY TO COME OUT.
I DO THINK AS POSSIBLE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY OF LAWSON PLATE READERS.
AND LET ME, LET ME GIVE A VERY QUICK REMINDER OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO HELP US.
THOSE LAWSON PLATE READERS ARE GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO OUR WARRANT DATABASE, OUR MUNICIPAL COURT COURT WARRANT DATABASE.
SO IF YOU OWE THE CITY OF KYLE MONEY OR YOU DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR YOUR TICKET AT LEAST TO TALK TO THE JUDGE ABOUT IT, AND THEY ISSUE A WARRANT FOR YOU FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR AND, AND PLUS YOUR ORIGINAL CHARGES, WHEN YOU PASS THAT KYLE POLICE OFFICER ARE THE CAMERA, WHEREVER WE MAY PUT IT, WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ALERT THAT, THAT LASTS IN PLATE HAS AN ASSOCIATED WARRANT, UM, FOR SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T COME INTO COURT AND WE CAN MAKE THE STOP BASED ON THAT ALONE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NORMALLY HAPPENS.
AN OFFICER DOESN'T ALWAYS RECOGNIZE THE CAR THAT PASSED THEM CAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT WROTE THE TICKET ANYWAY.
SO I DO THINK A SMARTER USE AND BETTER USE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AVAILABLE, WHICH YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN THIS.
THAT CHANGES WILL AID OUR ABILITY TO SERVE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS FROM OUR MUNICIPAL COURT.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GO A LONG WAY.
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT'S USUALLY MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS.
IF YOU TOTAL THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY OF CALL FOR THEIR FINES.
SO THAT PLUS I RETURNED TO NORMAL POLICING BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY ENCOURAGED AT THE MOMENT NOT TO MAKE TRAFFIC STOPS.
I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS COMBINED WITH OUR WARRANT OFFICER, WHO'S WORKING VERY HARD TO SERVE THOSE WARRANTS ON HIS OWN.
HE MAKES A LOT OF PHONE CALLS.
UM, I DO THINK THAT CAN BRING ABOUT THE ROLE THAT WE PLAY IN BRINGING THAT MONEY TO THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE REMEMBER WE ARE JUST ONE STEP, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT TAKE PLACE.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE COURT.
AND THEN THE JUDGE HAS TO DECIDE THAT HE WANTS TO ISSUE FINES RATHER THAN NO FINE AT ALL, OR COMMUNITY SERVICE AND ALL THAT IN MY, MY COMMENTS ARE IN NO WAY REFLECTED OF THE JUDGES, UH, ACTIONS, CAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THEIR, THEIR AUTHORITY.
WELL, I MEAN TO, TO, TO, TO SUMMARIZE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU DIDN'T GET ANY UNDUE CHASTISING FROM THE COUNCIL WHEN YOU WERE SHORT BY $6,000 AND OUR BUDGET WAS JUST FINE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO IT UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO POLICE AS APPROPRIATE GIVEN ALL THOSE FACTORS.
UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER YOU'RE SAYING IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE FINE, BUT YOU'RE DEFINITELY READY TO USE THOSE OFFICERS.
SO, UM, MY THOUGHT FOR THE OTHER TWO, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ALL KIND OF AGREE THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT WHERE I'D WANT TO GO, BUT I COULD THE, THE WAY TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THEIR NEXT PROJECT BECAUSE OUR SALES TAX PROJECTIONS, UM, WERE SHORT THIS YEAR BY LIKE 20%.
UH, WE HAD A ONE POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SURPLUS IS A YEAR TO DATE AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S 1.7, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WOULD, IF I HAD A GUEST I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN SO THE, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE, YOUR, YOUR PROJECTIONS FOR 2122.
UH, AND IT'S BASICALLY, UH, FROM 11.6 TO 12.6.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROJECTING SLIGHTLY LESS THAN HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE PER MONTH NEXT YEAR, THEN THE YEAR BEFORE.
AND, UH, I THINK WE INCREASED BY A LOT MORE THAN THAT THIS YEAR.
SO I'M JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE AND THIS IS FULL CIRCLE FROM MY VERY FIRST BUDGET MEETING WHERE I GOT, UH, I GOT ONTO PREVIOUS FOR BEING, UH, A CONSERVATIVE TOO CONSERVATIVE.
WE WERE T WERE 200,000 OFF ON THE YEAR.
SO JUST WHAT SOME YEARS WILL DO TO YOU, BUT, UM, THAT'D BE A LESS, UH, LESS, UM, SORT OF POLARIZING OR LIKE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID SENDING A MIXED MESSAGE BY ADJUSTING A CITATIONS BUDGET, THE SALES TAX BUDGET I THINK IS PROBABLY GOT PLENTY OF ROOM BECAUSE THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE BEEN CRUSHING IT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING MORE THAN THAT AMOUNT, YOU KNOW,
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OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, JUST BY ONE COMPANY, UH, WILL GENERATE NEARLY A MILLION A MONTH, UH, IN SALES NEXT FISCAL YEAR.IT'LL BE THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO, UH, BUT WE GENERATED THAT KIND OF SURPLUS THIS YEAR TOO.
SO IT IT'S, IT'S A MOVING TARGET.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NEVER TRYING TO GET IT PERFECT, BUT IT'S A MOVING TARGET.
AND IF YOU'VE BEEN WAY OVER THE LINE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE OVER THE LINE.
YOU CAN AFFORD A COUPLE OFFICERS THAT WAY AS WELL, BUT, OR JUST UNFUNDED IS THE OTHER WAY JUST STRAIGHT UP OUT OF GENERAL FUND IS ANOTHER OPTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY CUT ANYTHING.
IF YOU WANT TO ADD THE TWO OFFICERS, YOU CAN JUST ADD THE TWO OFFICERS.
SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING TO CUT.
WELL, I'M JUST, I, THE QUESTION WAS THE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE OUR SALES TAX NUMBERS OR DID YOU, OR ARE LIKELY TO BE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE? LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, AGAIN, OR YOU FEEL LIKE A 200,000 ADDITION ON THE SALES TAX NUMBERS WOULD BE, I THINK THERE'S ROOM TO HAVE 200,000 YETI TOO.
SO THAT'D BE A THOUGHT FOR A WAY TO QUICKLY GET THE TWO OFFICERS KATZ FROM BRADSHAW.
THAT WAS SIMILAR TO MY QUESTION, JUST BASICALLY, BECAUSE HOW, LIKE HOW COMFORTABLE YOU WOULD FEEL WITH ADDING THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, BECAUSE I AM A PROPONENT FOR MAKING SURE THAT OUR PD IS AS STAFFED AS WE WERE CAPABLE OF AT THE CURRENT TIME.
UM, BUT BETWEEN SALES TAX REVENUE, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SAY CITATIONS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS A NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE CONNOTATION BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, BUT BETWEEN THE REVENUES THAT WE HAVE COMING IN AS A CITY AND POSSIBLE, EVEN LOBBYIST REVENUES, HOW COMFORTABLE DO YOU FEEL ADDING THOSE FOUR OFFICERS FOUR IN TOTAL? SO WE'VE ALREADY FUNDED THE FIRST TWO.
SO THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THE BUDGETED BALANCED.
SO WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS.
AND FOR THAT IN ROUND NUMBERS, WE NEED ABOUT $200,000 BECAUSE FOR EVERY TWO OFFICER, WE ALSO NEED TO ADD A POLICE PURSUIT VEHICLE.
AND WOULD THAT COME OUT OF THE CAR, THE SALES TAX PROJECTED, BECAUSE YOU SAID WE MIGHT HAVE A SURPLUS THERE.
I MEAN, I THINK IN OUR PROJECTIONS WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO ADD $200,000 TO SALES TAX.
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, LET'S SAY WE FALL SHORT.
WHAT IS THE RAMIFICATION THERE WHERE THEY GET FIRED? SO SALES TAX IS JUST ONE OF MANY REVENUE SOURCES.
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST OF ONE SOURCE OF REVENUE DECLINES, THERE MAY BE OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT COMPENSATE FOR IT, DEVELOPMENT, REVENUE, PLANNING, REVENUE, FEED, REVENUES, UM, OR JUST FUN BALANCE.
SO I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT IF COUNCIL, UH, WANTS TO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS WITH THEIR FULL GEAR, THAT THEY NEED, THAT WE CAN ADD $200,000 TO SALES TAX PROJECTIONS.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REST OF COUNCIL, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD RATHER WOULD RATHER SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION RATHER THAN TRY TO CUT ANYTHING FROM ANYONE OR ANY DEPARTMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, FUND TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, PATROL OFFICERS WITH, UH, FULL ANCILLARY COSTS AND COMPENSATE FOR THAT WITH AN ADJUSTMENT IN THE SALES TAX PROJECTIONS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION CUSTOMER ELLISON? YES.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE REVENUES FROM CITATION AND FINES.
AND IF WE FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT TWO OFFICERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER, BRAD BRADSHAW, I BELIEVE I THOUGHT WAS GETTING AT THIS WAS THAT WE FIND ALL FOUR OF THOSE OFFICERS THROUGH SALES TAX REVENUES, AS OPPOSED TO ANY OF THE FUNDING COMING FROM CITATIONS AND FINES.
WE CAN GO BACK AND CHANGE THE OTHER TWO FUNDING SOURCE.
WE HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THE TWO OFFICERS FROM SALES TAX PROJECTIONS.
SO YOUR, YOUR COMMENT IS NOT LOST.
IT'S JUST NOT IN THIS CURRENT MOTION.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE OTHER ONES.
SO IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU TO VOTE ON THIS ONE AND THEN GO BACK? THAT'S OKAY WITH ME.
I MEAN, WE'VE MADE OTHER EMOTIONS AND TALKED ABOUT OTHER THINGS.
SO I WAS TELLING HOW THE COUNCIL, HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
ANY OTHER THOUGHT ON THAT? OR I'M NOT TRYING TO RUSH A VOTE.
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I JUST, IT'S JUST KIND OF A CLEAR SPOT.UH, I'M JUST GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO ONE THOUGHT COULD BE TO REDUCE THE, UH, BUDGET FOR, UH, CITATIONS BY 190,000 AND INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR SALES TAX PROJECTIONS BY 190,000, THAT WOULD SOLVE YOUR ALL RIGHT.
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION? SORRY.
I DIDN'T, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE LINE ITEM FOR, UH, FUNDING FOR CITATIONS AND FINES BY 190,000, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, PLEASE FILL IN THE BLANK STAFF, UH, AND INCREASE IT BY THAT SAME EXACT NUMBER OF SALES TAX REVENUES TO FUND A PATROL OFFICER POSITIONS.
ALL RIGHT, MOVE BACK, COUNSELOR ELLISON SECONDED BY CUSTOMER FOREST.
WE GOT YOU ALL CLEAR ON THE, THAT ITEM.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? THANK YOU.
CAN I SAY THANK YOU TO ASHLEY FOR FINDING A GOOD SOLUTION? WELL, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE CREDIT FOR THAT.
I THINK IT WAS JUST HAVING A COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AND AS A COUNSELOR THAT YOU WOULD ASK PEREZ AND THEN THEY KIND OF FIND A MIDDLE GROUND.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT, I'LL JUST TAKE IT BACK.
YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK WE ALL SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER ONE JUDE DUTY OF A COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY IS OFFICERS.
THAT'S OUR STREETS, THAT'S OUR LIGHTING, EVERYTHING FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND I THINK WHAT WE JUST DID RIGHT NOW IS WE CAME TOGETHER.
WE'RE ABLE TO BRING THE FOUR OFFICERS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR PATROL, HOPEFULLY TO DO A, UH, A SHIFT THAT WILL OVERLAP IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT.
SO I HOPE THAT COMES TO FRUITION, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE PEOPLE'S BAD HABITS ON THE ROADS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, AND THAT WAS JUST HIT, I I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIND THE FUNDING FOR THE FOUR OFFICERS I THINK AS MUCH NEEDED.
WE WANT TO KEEP GOING ON ITEMS HERE.
MOVE ON ANY ITEMS ON THE BUDGET THAT WE WANT TO ADD.
YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE, IS THAT OH, OKAY.
WELL I JUST, THIS IS AN OPEN, THIS IS A WORKSHOP WE'RE GOING TO WORKSHOP RIGHT NOW.
UH, WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AS AMENDED SECOND.
MOVED BY THE MAYOR SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? UH, I THINK THIS ONE HAS TO BE ROLL CALL.
[29. (First Reading) Approve an Ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas, fixing the ad valorem tax (property tax) rate for Tax Year 2021 (Fiscal Year 2021-2022) at $0.5082 per $100 assessed valuation and providing for the levying of ad valorem taxes for use and support of the municipal government of the City of Kyle for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2021 and ending September 30, 2022; providing for apportioning each levy for specific purposes; and providing when ad valorem taxes shall become due and when same shall become delinquent if not paid. ~ J. Scott Sellers, City Manager ]
NUMBER 29.FIRST READING APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE TEXAS FIXING AVALARA TAX PROPERTY RATE FOR TAX YEAR, 2021 FISCAL YEAR 2122 AT 5.508 PER $100, ET CETERA.
MR. SELLERS, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE TAX RATE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SAY BEFORE? A MOTION ON IT? THANKS COUNCILOR.
I JUST, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY OR ALLOW MR. SELLERS TO CLARIFY WHAT THIS MEANS.
LET, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ACTUALLY DECREASING THE INTEREST.
YEAH, WE'RE DECREASING IT, BUT KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT THE ROLE IS AND LIKE HOW IT WORKS, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SEEN PEOPLE MAD BECAUSE THEY THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GETTING IT RIGHT BELOW THE, THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M GONNA LET SCOTT EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE HE DOES A MUCH BETTER JOB, BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS AND TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN FACT, UM, RAISING THE, THE RATE WE ARE, WE ARE DECREASING IT.
AND WITH THAT, SCOTT'S GOING TO TELL YOU WHY I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW GREAT OF A JOB I'M GOING TO DO.
HE DOES GOOD EVERY TIME TO FILL IN THE GAPS HERE.
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THERE, THERE ARE REALLY TWO COMPONENTS TO THE, WELL, THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS OF TAX RATE, WHICH IS THE MNO MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, AND THEN INS, WHICH IS INTEREST IN SINKING OF THAT.WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE TAX RATE, THERE ARE ALSO COMPONENTS.
UH, ONE IS THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE AND THE OTHER IS THE ROLLBACK TAX RATE EACH YEAR AS A GROWING CITY IS REAPPRAISED PRINCIPAL DISTRICT.
THE VALUATION OF THE UNDERLYING PROPERTIES INCREASES.
AND SO THE EFFECTIVE RATE IS BASICALLY THE RATE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE TO, TO BRING IN THE SAME REVENUES LAST YEAR, RIGHT? UH, BASED ON PROPERTY VALUES THAT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR, THAT EFFECTIVE RATE, UH, CHANGES, RIGHT? SO YOUR PROPERTY ADDS VALUE.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A $250,000 HOME.
NOW THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, $75,000, THE TAX RATE IS A SET NUMBER THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTS EACH YEAR.
SO THAT'S 52 CENTS PER A HUNDRED ON THE, ON THE VALUATION OF YOUR PROPERTY.
SO THE ASSESSMENT OR THE APPRAISAL OF YOUR PROPERTY HAS GONE UP, THE TAX RATE HAS REMAINED THE SAME, BUT THE AMOUNT COLLECTED INCREASES BECAUSE THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY HAS INCREASED THE EFFECTIVE RATE.
THEN FOR THE AMOUNT THAT WE BROUGHT IN LAST YEAR IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE BRINGING MORE THIS YEAR DUE TO THOSE INCREASED APPRAISALS.
WHEN THAT RATE THEN IS ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE, WHICH IS THE OTHER COMPONENT, UH, THEN IT CAN TRIGGER A, AN ELECTION OF THE, THE PEOPLE, THE VOTERS THAT I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE AND ROLL BACK THAT RATE, THAT NEW EFFECTIVE RATE TO THE RATE THAT WAS FROM THE LAST YEAR COLLECTION.
SO THE, THE RATE THAT WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD IS A RATE THAT IS BELOW THAT ROLLBACK RATE, WHICH WOULD THEN NOT TRIGGER AN ELECTION OF THE PEOPLE.
SO THIS YEAR, THAT BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE TAX APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, WE ARE REDUCING OUR TAX RATE OR EFFECTIVE RIGHT NOW FOR THE NEXT YEAR TO 50 CENTS, UH, 0.5 0 8 5 8 8 TO, UH, TO STAY JUST BELOW THAT ROLLBACK RATE, WE'LL STILL BE COLLECTING, UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE BASED ON THE, AGAIN, THE INCREASED TOTAL ASSESS VALUE OF THE ENTIRE CITY.
UH, BUT YET THE RATE ITSELF WILL BE REDUCED IN THE BUDGET.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, BECAUSE IS IT BECAUSE HAYES COUNTY INCREASES ARE BOTH OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE CORRECT.
AND I'LL JUST REMIND TO ANYONE LISTENING THAT THE CITY OF 19% TYPICALLY IT'S ROUGHLY 19% OF THE TOTAL TAX BILL.
SO WITH THAT SAID, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS INCREASING WHAT WE PAY THE HIGHEST ONE BEING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS.
LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR TAX RATES.
SO THEY'RE THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE PROPORTIONALLY THAN AYERS.
SO THEY'RE GETTING STRONGER FINANCIALLY PREDATORY STATE LAW.
SO THERE THEM TO START HELPING THE CITY BY GIVING US SOME OF THAT.
AND I'LL ALSO ADD GOING BACK TO THE INTEREST IN SINKING COMPONENT OF THE TAX RATE THAT'S DEBT THAT THE CITY HAS, HAS AUTHORIZED FOR HER, FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS.
RIGHT? SO WE HAVE GOT TO DEFEASE DEBT IN THE SCHEDULE THAT, THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US.
THE COMPONENT THAT GETS TUTORED INTO HERE IS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION, WHICH IS BASICALLY OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES.
CLARIFY THAT IF WE WANTED TO STAY THE SAME, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON IT WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR OUR TEXTS IS THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR CITY OF KYLE NEXT YEAR WILL BE 2.3% LESS THAN, OKAY, THIS YEAR'S.
SO THEY'RE GETTING A TAX REDUCTION OR IT'S NOT BECAUSE
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OF THE CITY REAL ESTATE.I THINK IT'D BE A MANDATORY VOTE AT THIS POINT WITH THE NEW TAX LAWS.
UH, IT'S CONFUSING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND FLOORS KALE SECONDED BY COUNCILOR RIZZO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL OPPOSED, MARY, I'M SORRY, ON THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, WE NEED THAT ROLL CALL LOAD ON THE TABLE AS WELL.
UH, W NOW WE'RE TO JENNA I'M 31, UH, RIZZO.
DO YOU STILL WANT TO TAKE THIS UP AND GO FOR IT? YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO BE QUICK.
I REALLY HAD A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ON THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO, LET ME, LET ME READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
[31. Developing a Smart Cities Initiative and Creating a City Council Task Force. ~ Robert Rizo, Council Member]
AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 31, DEVELOPING A SMART CITIES INITIATIVE AND CREATING A CITY COUNCIL TASK FORCE.I THINK WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, WE, I THINK IT WAS THINKING OF TASKFORCE, BUT I THINK I'VE RECONSIDERED THAT SINCE THEN.
SO WHAT HAPPENED DURING A, UM, CONVERSATION WITH HONEYWELL THAT SCOTT SELLERS AND I HAD WAS, UH, ABOUT, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE COULD GET THAT HONEYWELL COULD PROBABLY POSSIBLY HELP US GET FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP PAY FOR SOME MORE WATERING SYSTEM INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEY INVITED US OVER TO MEET WITH THEM.
UM, AND SOME OF THE INDIES THAT WOULD BRING THAT FORWARD, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO PEC IS AND PCS PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THE SMART CITY SYSTEM AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE A LITTLE QUICKLY.
SO I'D LIKE TO, AT THIS TIME, UM, REACH OUT TO COUNCIL AND HAVE US, UH, SEND, UH, THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MEET WITH THEM.
UH, I KNOW THAT THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE HAD THE MOST QUESTIONS ON THE HONEYWELL SMART CITY AND WHAT BENEFIT IT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY AS A COUNSELOR.
UH, I MEAN, MAYOR PRO TIM RICK COACH, AND, UH, OUR MAYOR, I'M SORRY, BUT I'M TRYING TO HURRY UP, BUT YEAH, OUR MAYOR, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THEM TO THAT MEETING.
AND I LIKE, UH, COUNCIL'S BLESSING TO, UH, PROCEED WITH THE MEETING WITH, UH, UH, HONEYWELL AND THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AN EMOTION.
AND, UM, I GUESS WE'LL DO AN EMOTION AND THIS IS NOT A TASKFORCE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UH, THE REASON I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A TASKFORCE, CAUSE I WANT US ALL TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO HONEYWELL AND SEE HOW GREAT THIS WOULD BE FOR A CITY.
SO THAT'S WHY I, I PULLED BACK FROM MAKING THIS INTO A TASK FORCE.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO REITERATE IS THAT OUR TASK FORCE DO EXPIRE.
UM, I KNOW WITH OUR HERE'S MORE APART WE'RE, UH, NOW, UH, WORKING ON IT AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT EXPIRE.
UM, IF WE KEEP OUR TASKFORCE OPEN PAST THEIR DUE DATES, I THINK THAT'S, UH, DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF A TASK FORCE AND WE KEEP TOO MANY TASK TASKFORCE OPEN.
WE'VE GOT TOO MANY TESTS GOING AT ONE TIME.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE TASK FORCE EXPIRE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME.
AND THAT'S ONE REASON I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A TASKFORCE.
SO AT THIS TIME I HAVE THE MOTION, UH, TO, UH, SEND MYSELF THE MAYOR AND OUR MAYOR PRO TEM TO MEET WITH, UH, HONEYWELL AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
UM, MOTION FROM CASPER IS A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FOREST KALE.
UH, YOU'RE JUST SAYING YOU JUST WANT US TO GO INTO AND MEET AND DO THE NEGOTIATION.
I KNOW YOU'RE REAL HARD AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WHEN I THOUGHT OF THIS, I WANT YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
I REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A WIN FOR OUR CITY.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO TAKE US INTO THE FUTURE.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT LEE, UH, KYLE'S CORE VALUES LEADING EDGE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE THE LEADING EDGE FOR OTHER CITIES.
I THINK OTHER CITIES ARE GOING TO COME IN AND SEE WHAT COW'S DOING.
AND I LIKE, UH, ALL THOSE THAT HAVE QUESTIONS TO COME FORWARD AND, AND GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
ON THE MOTION COUNCILOR, ALISON.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
SO YOUR MOTION IS TO GET A COUPLE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED ALREADY TO GO MEET WITH HONEYWELL, BUT YOU STILL WANT THE REST OF US TO MEET WITH HONEYWELL.
JUST, JUST NOT IN THAT INITIAL, UH, MEETING.
I THINK, UH, I, THE REASON I'M KEEPING IT FROM A TASK FORCE IS THAT I WANT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN REACH OUT TO HONEYWELL AT ANY TIME.
IT'S NOT A TASK FORCE THAT WE'RE LIMITING COUNCIL MEMBERS.
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LIKE WE'RE KIND OF LIMITING OURSELVES AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM LIMITATIONS.I WANT ALL THE COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SMART CITIES AS COMING FORWARD.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING FOR OUR CITY AND I WANT ALL OF US TO BE ON BOARD AND ASK HONEYWELL A TON OF QUESTIONS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HONEYWELL INVITED US TO.
AND I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM WERE PROBABLY BEEN MY WELL, NOT MINE BEEN THE, UH, THE, THE ONES THAT HAD THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS AGAINST, UH, WHY WE SHOULD GO WITH HONEYWELL AND WHY WOULD BE LUCRATIVE FOR OUR CITY.
I THINK THAT THEIR QUESTIONS COULD BE ANSWERED IN THIS MEETING AND IT'S QUITE A WHY I'M INVITING THEM TO BE THERE.
WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY THE MAYOR AND I WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT VOTED AGAINST HONEYWELL WHEN THEY WERE PROPOSED, BUT, UM, AND THEN AS WELL, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THAT.
EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ON A TASK FORCE, YOU CAN STILL REACH OUT AND PASSPORT.
SO I GUESS I'M NOT SEEING A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT, BUT I MEAN, UH, I GUESS IF YOUR OBJECTIVE IS JUST TO ENCOURAGE US TO REACH OUT TO HONEYWELL AND ASK QUESTIONS AND MEET WITH THEM, UM, BUT DO IT OUTSIDE OF THIS INITIAL TRIO THAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WE'RE VOTING ON, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
WAS THAT AN A CUSTOMER ALSO? SORRY, JUST TO MAKE SURE.
UH, UH, IS THERE YOU WANTED TO WAIT ON THE NEXT ITEM? CASPER ELLISON?
[32. Discussion and possible action on implementing a process to create a Human Services Board/Commission to review, advise, and create an equitable and fair process for allocating grant funding to non-profits organizations serving in the Kyle area. ~ Dex Ellison, Council Member]
YES.VERA LIKE TO POSTPONE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM 32 TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
[IX. Executive Session]
TO GO BACK TO EXECUTIVE SESSION CHAPTER FIVE, ONE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.THE CITY COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FROM TIME TO TIME AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
DURING THIS MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ANY LAWFUL EXCEPTION CONTAINED IN CHAPTER BY FIVE, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING TOPICS PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITTLE LITIGATION, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF THE, I KNOW, I'M SORRY.
UH, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO SECTION 500 ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE, UH, HIGH IN THE SKY AND POSSIBLE PURCHASE EXCHANGE LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL ESTATE PURSUANT TO SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN TWO PROPERTY ACQUISITION CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO EIGHT, SEVEN TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE REGARDING THE OFFER OF ECONOMIC INCENTIVES TO ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS THAT THE CITY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATE STAY OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE CITY PROJECT, MBA PROJECT S UFC PROJECT, PROJECT FENCE HERE, CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.
[34. Take action on items discussed in Executive Session.]
WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION AND THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING FOR OUR RESIDENTS CANCEL THIS YEAR'S FESTIVAL FOR 2021.ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, IT'S A REALLY SAD DAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
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OUR STAFF ARE IMPORTANT, AND THIS IS BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO SEE US THE PANDEMIC AND SEE US GAINING BACK AND FORTH TO BE IN WHICH SITUATION WE ARE RIGHT NOW.IT'S VERY DEPRESSING AND SAD THAT WE HAVE TO PUT THAT OUT.