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[1. Call Meeting To Order]
THE TIME IS SIX 30.UM, ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO ORDER.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? I'M GONNA CALL HERE.
GARAH HERE, JAMES HERE, CHASE HERE.
FIVE MEMBERS, UH, FIVE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[3. Minutes]
NEXT MINUTES.UH, A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 12TH, 2021.
I MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NEXT ITEM FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UH, AT THIS TIME WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COME AND SPEAK.
UH, ON ANY ISSUE WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, IF ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU MAY COME UP NOW.
I WILL CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED.
[5. Consent]
NEXT ITEM.DOES A THROUGH D MR. CHAIR? YES.
LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AS PRESENTED SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
[A.
Consider an amendment to Sec. 41-136 to allow utility lots and an amendment to Sec. 53-143 (Townhomes) within the City of Kyle in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
SIX A CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION FOUR, ONE DASH 1 3 6 TO ALLOW UTILITY LOTS AND AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION FIVE, THREE DASH 1 4 3 TOWNHOMES WITHIN THE CITY OF KYLE AND HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.
UM, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME UP NOW THING NONE.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO AMENDMENTS THAT WE INITIALLY DISCUSSED ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AGO, UH, TO BRING FORWARD.
WE GOT THEM THROUGH THE PUBLIC HERE.
ARE THEY IN A NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND EVERYTHING.
UM, AND NOW THEY'RE HERE BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY VOTE ON THEM.
UH, JUST AS A RECAP, UM, THE SECTION 41 DASH 1 36, CREATING SUBSECTION G A TO LEE LOTS.
UM, THIS ALLOWS, UM, PER OUR ZONING CODE AND SUBDIVISION CODE TO BE ABLE TO CREATE CERTAIN TYPES OF, LOTS OF, DO NOT HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THE ZONING CODE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE
AND THAT WOULD MEAN, UM, A LANDSCAPE A LOT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SAME THING, A UTILITY LOT, LIKE FOR A WATER OR WASTEWATER WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SAME SIZE AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THOSE, THOSE, THOSE SMALLER TYPE USES THAT CAN BE ON THE PERIPHERY OR THEY CAN BE SMALLER LIKE AT THE ENTRANCE OF A SUBDIVISION WHERE YOU PUT MAYBE LIKE A SIGN OR IF YOU'RE LOOPING WATER LINES TO BE ABLE TO FLUSH THOSE LINES AS PUBLIC WORKS LOVES TO DO, BUT THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THEIR, IN THEIR LAND, IN THEIR EASEMENT TO DO SO.
AND USUALLY LANDOWNERS DON'T WANT EXTRA EASEMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY EITHER WHERE THERE'S UTILITIES AND JUST DUE TO MAINTENANCE REASONS.
UM, WE'RE FINALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
AND, UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS, IS A PROPONENT OF IT AS WELL.
UM, SECTION 53 DASH 1 43, UH, RELATES TO, UM, THE TOWNHOME SECTION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
UM, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A 480 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE FOR EACH TOWN HOME, WHICH IS OUT COMPLETELY OVERSIZED FOR, UM, FOR A TOWNHOME TYPE DEVELOPMENTS.
THEIR LOTS ARE 880 SQUARE FEET, 22 FEET WIDE.
THAT MEANS IF IT'S A FRONT LOAD FRONT-LOADED DESIGN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TWO FOOT WIDE SPACE FOR A FRONT DOOR, WHICH, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BUILDING OFFICIALS TO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
SO, UM, THIS REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT FOR GARAGES.
IT REMOVES THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY PRODUCT AS TOWNHOMES ARE.
AND, UM, IT ACTUALLY, AND IT ALSO ADDS, UM, AND ALLOWANCE, UM, ODDLY FOR, UM, THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS BEFORE AT THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE TO BE ALLEY LOADED.
UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN STAFF'S PREFERENCE THAT THEY DO ALLEY LOADED.
UM, BUT IT ACTUALLY, IF YOU SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU READ HOW IT'S ACTUALLY WORDED IT, DIDN'T ACTUALLY GIVE IT AN ALLOWANCE
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BEFORE THIS POINT.UM, SO THESE, THOSE ARE THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE PUT IN THERE.
UM, SIMPLE THINGS, BUT IT'S GOING TO MAKE, UM, BOTH THE DEVELOPERS, UM, PROJECTS AND STAFFS, UM, LIVES EASIER WHEN IT COMES TO BEING ABLE TO APPROVE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO PROVE.
SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND WE, UH, WE FULLY SUPPORT IT AND, UM, WE JUST ASK THAT Y'ALL VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, RIGHT? YOU MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE.
I EMOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM SIX A AS PRESENTED SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SIDO.
ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[B.
Consider a request to remove 2 specimen Live Oak trees (#206 & 207) and replace on site with 36, 3” caliper oak trees in addition to the minimum required trees per Chapter 54. The project is located at 1081 Four Seasons Farm Boulevard and is zoned R-2 (duplex zoning).
]ITEM SIX B CONSIDER REQUEST TO REMOVE TWO SPECIMEN LIVE OAK TREES.NUMBER 2 0 6 AND 2 0 7 AND REPLACE ON-SITE WITH 36 3 INCH CALIPER OAK TREES.
IN ADDITION TO THE MINIMUM REQUIRED TREES PER CHAPTER 54, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 1 0 8 1 4 SEASONS FARM BOULEVARD, AND A ZONED R TWO DUPLEXES ZONING.
UH, THIS, UH, ON-DEMAND THROWN UP ON THE SCREEN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BACK OF MATERIAL, BUT IT PROVIDES A LOCATION, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT WHERE THE TWO TREES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REMOVE, UM, FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME, WHO I'M LOOKING AT PLAN SETS ALL DAY LONG EVERY DAY, UH, IT WAS IT'S THE VERY BUSY, UM, PROJECT WHEN IT'S DRAWING, I CAN FIND IT PRETTY EASILY, BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT ASKED TO THROW THIS UP THERE IN CASE ANYBODY WAS HAVING TROUBLE SEEING IT.
UM, THESE ARE SPECIMEN TREES, THEY'RE HEALTHY, UM, AND PER OUR CODE, THERE'S, THERE'S A HOUSE PLANNING TO BE BUILT THERE.
SO THEY HAVE TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO REMOVE THEM AND IN DOING SO BECAUSE THEY ARE SPECIMEN TREES.
THERE'S NOT AN EXEMPTION FOR NOT REPLACING THEM.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN A BUILDING FOOTPRINT, YOU HAVE TO REGARDLESS ATTITUDE TO ONE RATIO.
UM, SO THAT COMES OUT TO, UM, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, A 36 3 INCH CALIPER OAK TREES.
SO, UM, THEY WERE VESTED PRIOR TO OUR UPDATE TO OUR, OUR RECENT, UH, LANDSCAPING CODE.
SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THE, THE THREE INCH VERSUS THE TWO INCH THAT WE HAVE NOW HAS A REQUIREMENT.
UM, LET ME PULL UP THE SITE PLAN REAL QUICK, SO Y'ALL CAN SEE IT AS WELL.
AND EVERY, AND AS I STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, EVERY, UM, EVERY TREE WITH, UH, WITH THE LETTER R IN IT, UM, IT WAS ONE OF THE REPLACEMENT TREES.
SO THEY HAVE 150 TREES THEY ALREADY HAD TO PLANT AND THEN THEY HAD TO DO 36 EXTRA AND THEY'RE ALL ABLE TO FIT THEM SITE.
UM, STAFF'S REVIEWED, THIS IS COMPLIANT AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
AND WE ASKED THAT Y'ALL APPROVE THE, UH, THE ALLOWANCE TO REMOVE THOSE TWO TREES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. UM, YES.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT IT'S A LOT OF TREES AND, UM, WE'RE GOING FOR DENSITY.
SO I KNOW THESE LOTS ARE NOT HUGE.
SO HOW FAR AWAY FROM A STRUCTURE WILL THESE TREES PLANTED? THEY, THEY NEED TO BE PLANTED 20 FEET AWAY FROM A STRUCTURE FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF TREE.
AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WHETHER THEY'RE ALL GONNA FIT AND WITH THE STRUCTURES AND HOW THAT'S GONNA, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW IS MORE MY CONCERN.
I'M SURE THEY'LL LOOK GREAT NEXT YEAR.
SOMETIMES WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO THE DENSITY OF TREE REPLACEMENT COSTS, UM, THERE IS LIMITED SPACE.
SO WHEN THEY PUT THESE REPLACEMENT TREES IN THERE, THEY TRIED TO PUT THEM IN PLACES WHERE THEY COULD, UM, MINIMIZE INTERACTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
NOW THERE MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN, THEY CAN, UM, AND I'M NOT THE CIVIL ENGINEER, SO YOU CAN CORRECT ME.
UM, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S POSSIBLY SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES, UM, FROM A REDESIGNED SAMPLE AND MAYBE YOU PUT A RING AROUND THE POND, MAYBE SOME OF THE TREES, UM,
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AND MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFULLY IF THAT'S A CONCERN FOR Y'ALL.UM, AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN STAY.
YOU CAN SAY YOU CAN CONDITIONALLY APPROVE IT AS WELL.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO SAY, HEY, UM, IT'S FINE TO REMOVE THESE, BUT MAKE SURE THERE'S ALTERNATIVES TO, FOR STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF AND ARE THEY REQUIRED TO REPLACE THEM WITH OAK TREES BECAUSE THEY DO ORNAMENTAL TREES, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE AS SUBSTANTIAL A FOOTPRINT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT OBJECTING TO IT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DOING WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARD ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND FOUNDATIONS DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL, LET ME TAKE A LOOK TO ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION.
SO IF THEY WERE, IF THEY WERE DONATING TO THE TREE FUND, WHETHER IT BE FROM A, FROM A MONETARY STANDPOINT OR, UM, OR THEY WERE DONATING TREES TO A PUBLIC FACILITY, IF THEY COULDN'T FIT ALL THE TREES ON SITE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BREAK IT UP INTO ALMOST THIRDS FROM, UH, NO MORE THAN 35% OF THE TREES HAVE TO BE THAT SPECIES CAN BE ONE SPECIES, BUT THAT'S ONLY AS IT RELATES THE REPLACEMENT FUND.
SO IF THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DIVERSIFY, BUT THEY CAN, UM, IF IT'S ONSITE, UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THEM IN TERMS OF THAT, OXNARD, A BIG FOOTPRINT, REALLY BIG FOOTPRINT, 85 FEET HIGH AND 40 FEET WIDE.
UM, UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR DONATING THEM OR PUTTING THEM IN THE TREE FUND.
UM, IF THEY CAN'T GET THEM ON THE SITE, THEN DO THEY HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF OTHER APPLICATION OR, UM, IT'S THE, THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING OR THEY'RE THE PERSON THAT THEY DESIGNATE, UM, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
SO IN THIS CASE, ME FOR THE TIME BEING, UM, WHERE THEY COORDINATE WITH US, AND THEN I IN TURN WILL ALSO COORDINATE WITH, UM, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE, UM, THE WAY IT TALKS ABOUT THE TREE FUND IS IT GOES, IT'S EITHER THE MONETARY VALUE, OR YOU CAN RE DO THE ACTUAL TREES DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR.
SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER JUST TO DO THE MONETARY VALUE.
UM, AND, UH, WE FIGURE OUT WHERE, AND WHAT PUBLIC FACILITIES NEED THE TREES AND WHERE THEY SHOULD BE PLANTED AND BASED ON THE LOCATION AND THE SOIL TYPE AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO WATER VARIOUS FACTORS, WHAT APPROPRIATE SPECIES SHOULD BE PLANTED.
SO IT'S SOMETHING INTERNALLY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, TO TAKE CARE OF.
AND DOES THAT GET NOTED ON THE PLANS THEMSELVES, OR IS THAT A WHOLE SEPARATE APPLICATION? IT CAN, IT CAN BE A, A SIMPLE NOTE, UH, LIKE WITH AN ASTERICK, UM, WHERE IT'S AND THAT WAY, SO ANYBODY COMING BACK AND CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY EVER WANTED TO, IF THEY EVER WONDER WHY, WHERE, WHY DIDN'T THEY HAVE THE MINIMUM TREES ON SITE? UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD IDEA ACTUALLY FROM A, JUST FROM A KEEPING TRACK OF THINGS.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, I THINK THERE'S SUFFICIENT ROOM ON THIS PROPERTY ALSO.
UM, MAYBE NOT IN EXACTLY SOME OF THE AREAS, BUT, UM, THERE CAN BE SOME ALTERATIONS MADE.
IF YOU PULL THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN BACK UP.
UM, DOES IT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PUTTING THEM ANY PLACE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE BETWEEN THE DUPLEXES AND THE, UH, AND THE LOTS BEHIND IT, OR IT MIGHT BE A TIGHT SQUEEZE? YEAH.
THEY'RE FITTING THEM IN THE BACKYARDS.
UM, AND SO THERE'S THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OF A 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK, AND THEN SOME TO SOME EXTENT, BUT, UM, AND THEN THERE THERE'S SOME THAT ARE CLUSTERED OVER BY THE PAWN SHOP UP AGAINST ONE 50.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOSTLY AROUND THE PERIMETER, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME SCATTERED, UM, INTERNALLY THERE'S A LITTLE WHERE THE INTERNAL STREET LOOPS THERE'S ONE.
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BUT THEY'RE MOSTLY AROUND THE PERIMETER IN THIS CASE.NOW THAT BEING SAID THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
THERE, WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT SAYS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A BUFFER REQUIREMENT BETWEEN DUPLEXES AND SINGLE FAMILY.
IT'S MOSTLY JUST COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL, AND IT'S ON, IT'S GOING TO COME IN ON THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY GO IN AFTER THE RESIDENTIAL IS THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
SO WE'LL, UM, IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE.
ONE, IF IT'S OKAY TO REMOVE THE TREES AND TO THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US NOW FOR REPLACING THOSE.
SO, UM, IF SOMEONE DID WISH TO MAKE A MOTION, TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES, BUT THEY MAY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS EXACT PLAN.
I'M SORRY, YOU, YOU, YOU WERE ALLUDING TO IT EARLIER.
WHAT DID YOU RECOMMEND AS FAR AS EMOTION OR, OR HOW WE CAN LET THIS BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER TIME, AS FAR AS WHERE THE TREES WILL BE PLANTED? SURE.
UM, YOU COULD, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT SAYS YOU CAN REMOVE THE TREES, BUT COORDINATE WITH STAFF ON AMENDING THE LAYOUT FROM A LANDSCAPE PERSPECTIVE, UM, TO, AND MAYBE NOT ALL THE TREES, BUT SOME OF THE TREES WHERE IF, IF Y'ALL FEEL THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE TO SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONS OR INFRASTRUCTURE OR WHATEVER, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX B.
I RECOMMEND THAT WE ALLOW TO REMOVE THE TREES, BUT COORDINATE CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF ON THE PLACEMENT OF THE TREES IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE PLACED APPROPRIATELY AND WHERE THEY ARE LONG-TERM THEY WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE OR STRUCTURES.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[C.
Consider a request to remove 1 specimen Live Oak tree (#1344, 37” Caliper) and replace on alternate site with 25, 3” caliper Live Oak trees per Chapter 54. The project is located at the southwest corner of IH-35 and Kohler’s Crossing, and is zoned both R-3-3 and RS (duel zoning).
]NEXT ITEM.SIX C CONSIDER A REQUEST TO REMOVE A ONE SPECIMEN LIVE OAK TREE NUMBER 1, 3, 4, 4 37 INCH CALIPER AND REPLACE ON ALTERNATE SITE WITH 25, 3 INCH CALIPER LIVE OAK TREES PER CHAPTER 5 54.
UM, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF
SO BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE THE ACCOUNT TERRA PROJECT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF
UH, THEY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT THEY ENTERED INTO ALLOWING TO THEM TO BUILD A CERTAIN BUILDING STRUCTURE TYPE.
UM, AND AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PLANS AND REVIEWING IT, WE REALIZED THAT THERE'S A TREE WHERE THE BUILDING'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY ABOUT HALF THE TREE WOULD BE P INTERFERING WITH THAT.
UH, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DID PUT TOGETHER A REPORT AND THE STREET IS, IS IN THERE.
SO TWO OF THE FOUR TREES IN THE REPORT ARE NOT HEALTHY.
THEY NEED, THEY ARE EXEMPT PER OUR CODE.
THEY DID, UM, PRESERVE THAT WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO ADJUST THEIR PLANS A LITTLE BIT.
SO THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO SO.
UM, BUT THIS LAST ONE, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK TO BE HONEST.
UM, SO I HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE PREEXISTING CONDITION SHEET UP THERE.
ARE THERE STILL ARE IN HIS CURRENT CONFIGURATION? AND THIS IS THE, UH, ABOUT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE, UH, THE 37 INCH OAK TREE, THE LIVE OAK, UM, RIGHT THERE IN THE GREEN.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, ALMOST HALF OF THE TREE IS, IS WITHIN THE, THE FOUNDATION AREA OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND YOU SHOULD DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO AVOID THAT IF YOU CAN, BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO.
SO, UM, THERE WERE REQUESTING THAT, UH, THE APPROVAL OF REMOVING THE TREE, THEY DO NEED TO REPLACE IT ONSITE, BUT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT AND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE,
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NOT ALL THE TREES THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY NEED FOR THE MINIMUM PER STUDENT PER OUR CODE CAN FIT ON SITE.THEY TRIED TO FIT AS MANY TREES AS THEY CAN, BUT SO THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO DONATE WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVAL.
THEY'RE GOING TO DONATE, UM, EITHER THE FUNDS OR THE TREES.
I SAID THE FUNDS SPECIFICALLY IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT, UM, THEY CAN DO BOTH.
THEY CAN DO ONE OR THE OTHER, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT FOR, UM, THE REPLACEMENT COSTS OF THIS TREE AND THE DEFICIT THAT THEY ALREADY DON'T HAVE ON THE PROJECT.
SO WE DON'T NEED Y'ALL'S PERMISSION FOR THE DEFICIT TO GET UP TO THE MINIMUM, BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU ALL A HEADS UP.
THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION IS, CAN THEY REMOVE THIS TREE AND REPLACE IT AND COORDINATE WITH STAFF FOR THE SAME QUESTION AS THE FOURTH SEASON FARMS. THANK YOU.
I HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE WOULD, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN, YOU SAID IT'S WRITTEN, UM, WITH A MONEY EXCLUSIVELY, WOULD WE HAVE TO AMEND IT TO ALLOW THE TREES THEMSELVES TO BE DONATED, AS YOU'D SAID AT THAT THEY CAN DO AS WELL, OR IF WE SAY AS WRITTEN, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE COMMENT THAT YOU JUST MADE RIGHT THERE? LET ME SEE REAL QUICK.
NO, I MEAN, UM, YOU CAN JUST SAY THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO APPROVE THIS, UM, YOU CAN SAY THAT TO COORDINATE WITH STAFF TO EITHER WHATEVER'S MOST APPROPRIATE DONATING THE, THE FEES OR DONATING THE TREES IN LIEU OF FEES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE WITH THE MOTION.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[7. General Discussion]
ITEM, UH, SEVEN, A DISCUSSION REGARDING NOMINATIONS AND ELECTIONS OF PLANNING AND ZONING CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.UM, MR. ATKINSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS? YEAH, SO, UM, WE HAVE CURRENTLY THREE APPLICANTS, UM, FOR A P AND Z, UM, VICE CHAIR.
UM, GUARA HAD ASKED IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, I DO A NOMINATIONS AND VOTING, UM, IT'S IN MY OPINION THAT WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET THEM INTERVIEWED, BUT ALSO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE IN THE END, WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO.
Y'ALL CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, ON NOMINATIONS AND VOTING AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING, OR IF Y'ALL WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE INTERVIEWS DONE FOR THE P AND Z COMMISSIONERS.
SO, AND Y'ALL GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL FOLLOW, WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, UM, IT WAS A BIT UNCLEAR AS TO WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THESE, UH, THESE SEATS FILLED.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, I PERSONALLY W WAS, HAD THE DESIRE TO HAVE BOTH A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR, UM, IN CASE ANYTHING DOES HAPPEN AND, UH, ACTING CHAIR CANNOT BE HERE.
UH, BUT, BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD APPROVE, IF YOU ALL WOULD PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL THOSE SEATS ARE DONE, THAT'S FINE.
WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT THE COMMISSION'S, UM, FEEL WITH.
UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE FILLED, YOU KNOW, THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP AND EVERYTHING, SO DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE LIKE JANUARY? I'M HOPING WE CAN GET IT DONE BEFORE THAT.
UM, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THREE APPLICANTS.
UM, WE WERE, I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO TRY TO PULL THE TRIGGER AND THEN KIND OF, WE HAD A THIRD ONE THAT APPLIED.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON GETTING THE, THE INTERVIEW SCHEDULED PRETTY QUICKLY NOW THAT'S, THAT IS PRETTY QUICKLY FOR GOVERNMENT, BUT, UM, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR IS MAY IS MY HOPE SO, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU AREN'T HERE, THEN WE CANNOT HAVE A MEETING.
IS THAT CORRECT? AS THE VICE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR ACTING CHAIR, I WOULD ASK.
WELL, UH, UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I WOULD THINK YOU COULD ASSUMING ALL FOUR OF YOU ARE STILL HERE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ALL FOUR TO HAVE A QUORUM, UM, HOW THAT MEETING IS LED.
I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED ONE TIME
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AND THE PERSON WITH THE MORE SENIORITY, UH, WAS THE ONE THAT MEGAN COMMISSIONER MCCALL, I GUESS, BUT LEAD THE MEETING FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEN I WOULD SAY I'M IN FAVOR OF LIKE, JUST GOING AHEAD AND WAITING AS LONG AS THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE A MEETING, JUST IN CASE ANY OF THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENS, THEN I'M FINE, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THE, THE PROCESS HAPPEN AS, AS FULLY AS POSSIBLE.SO THEN THERE'S THREE MORE PEOPLE TO VOTE OR HOWEVER MANY ARE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TWO MORE, TWO MORE PEOPLE TO VOTE.
AND SO IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR NOMINATIONS, AND THEN THEY COME IN AND THEN Y'ALL ARE JUST FULLY STAFFED OR YOU CAN KEEP GOING ALONG, YOU KNOW, DOING YOUR VOTES, CAN MAKING CONSIDERATION OF AF OF APPLICATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU ON THE AGENDA, OR IF, IF Y'ALL WANT TO WAIT.
AND SO EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO VOTE, TO SEE WHO WANTS TO BE NOMINATED.
SO IT'S UP TO Y'ALL, UM, WHATEVER Y'ALL FEEL IS APPROPRIATE.
SO, UH, THOSE PEOPLE COULD ALSO BE NOMINATED AND THEY COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, UH, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WISHED, WHY DON'T WE ADD THIS ON TO DISCUSSION FOR, FOR NEXT MONTH TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS? BECAUSE I AGREE, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP WAITING AND WAITING.
IF, IF, IF NEXT MONTH'S MEETING YOU SAY WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY A GOOD 30, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS OUT BEFORE THESE FOLKS EVEN GET, GET PLACED.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WAIT.
IT'S GONNA SAY THE LA NEXT MONTH IS THE LAST MEETING WE'RE HAVING FOR THE YEAR.
UM, SEVEN BEAT DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. YES.
I, UM, I ATTENDED THE PLANNING CONFERENCE VIRTUALLY AND I SO APPRECIATED THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS, I WAS WATCHING A PRESENTATION THAT AUSTIN DID.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT DOWN THE ROAD IN OUR SUBDIVISION CRITERIA, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING MY FAVORITE THING, TRAFFIC CALMING, AND THEY'RE DOING MORE OF THOSE, UH, TEXTURED, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.
THEY'RE NOT MAKING THOSE IN ANOMALIES.
THEY'RE MAKING THEM A STANDARD.
AND BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THE TEXTURE LIKE THE, LIKE THE CONCRETE THAT LOOKS LIKE BRICK, YOU KNOW, THE TEXTURE, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, NOT ONLY ARE THEY SAFER FOR THE PEDESTRIANS, BUT THEIR TRAFFIC CALMINGS, THEY SLOW TRAFFIC.
I HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AT ONE TIME THAT WE HAVE THEM ON STRAIGHTAWAYS AND THEN CITIZENS CALL THE POLICE AND SAY, YOU NEED TO COME PATROL THIS STREET AND, YOU KNOW, THE SPEEDING AND ALL THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S A GREAT TRAFFIC CALMING.
AND THEY ARE INCORPORATING THAT PROLIFICALLY.
NOW IN AUSTIN, IN THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT DECREASING THE SPEED LIMIT IN RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.
I THINK THOSE ARE TWO REALLY NICE, EASY WAYS WE COULD CALL THEM TRAFFIC.
I KNOW IN MY, ON MY STREET, THE SPEED LIMIT IS 20 AND I, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE NARROWER STREETS AND IT ONLY FEELS SAFE DRIVING AT ABOUT 15, TO BE HONEST, IF SOMEBODY WAS GOING 20, I THINK THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY HIGH.
AS WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, I HAD THAT PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND AS WELL.
THAT, UH, THAT SAME ONE THERE, THE GENTLEMAN WHO, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME.
I THINK HIS FIRST NAME WAS JAKE.
UM, NO, WELL SORT OF KNOW HIM.
THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN BY FEW TIMES WORKING ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS, THEY'RE A CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM, SO IT WAS PRETTY NEAT TO SEE HIM OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT YEAH, UM, I NEED TO TALK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER CAUSE THERE'S, UM, SOMETIMES WE ADOPT ITEMS FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN BY REFERENCE.
UM, HE, OUR CITY ENGINEER USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN FOR A LONG TIME.
HE WAS A BUILDING OFFICIAL THERE.
HE WAS ALSO IN ENGINEER THERE.
AND SO I W WE, I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE YOU ANYTHING, BUT WE MAY HAVE ADOPTED IT BY REFERENCE ALREADY.
AND SO, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
CAUSE WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT IN OUR NEW SUBDIVISIONS.
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SOMETIMES, UM, I THINK I SAID, WAS IT THE TCM, THE TRAFFIC CRITERIA MANUAL? YEAH.SO WE MAY HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED IT.
I HAD TO GO FIND IT AND ASK THEM AND FIND THAT WHERE IT'S IN OUR CODE.
SO I'M PRETTY SURE THE NEWER PARTS OF PLUM CREEK HAVE, HAVE THAT.
AND I, AND, AND I CONSCIOUSLY WHEN I'M APPROACHING THOSE, THOSE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT BRINGS IT UP TO ME IS WHEN I'M APPROACHING THOSE, I SUBCONSCIOUSLY SLOW DOWN.
YOU KNOW, I CAN VISUALLY SEE THOSE IN THE ROAD AND THEY SLOW ME DOWN RIGHT THERE.
AND YET ON ONE OF OUR OTHER STREETS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ON THE FACEBOOK PAGES AT ONE OF OUR OTHER STREETS BY THE PARK, BY ONE OF THE OTHER PARKS, THAT'S GOT A FAIRLY STRAIGHT ROAD.
UM, PEOPLE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE SPEEDING.
AND THEY'RE CALLING THE CUSTODY AT KYLE AND SAYING, COME MONITOR.
AND I THOUGHT, HOW EASY IF THEY HAD PUT A COUPLE OF THOSE CROSSINGS AT THE PARK, IT WOULD HAVE SLOWED THAT TRAFFIC.
THEY WOULDN'T BE CALLING THE CITY OF KYLE.
THEY WOULDN'T BE DEMANDING SPEED BUMPS.
I MEAN, IF WE JUST PUT IT INTO THE PLAN OF THE SUBDIVISION, LIKE WE HAVE IT IN SOME PLACES, IT COULD SOLVE A LOT AND MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES MORE WALKABLE AND INCREASE SAFETY.
IT WAS THE ONE ON VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE THING THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.
WE GOT THROUGH THE AGENDA FAST.
ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS SHARE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I DID SUBMIT TO THE STAFF, THE HUD GUIDELINES FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
HUD HAS A WHOLE DIVISION THAT DOES MANUFACTURED HOUSING, INCLUDING A MOBILE HOMES.
AND I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DO AND WHO THEY ARE.
AND SO MY PROPOSAL WENT ONCE WE GET WORK THROUGH OTHER THINGS, IS THAT WE DO THE DEFINITIONS OF M TWO AND M THREE TO INCLUDE AS WHEN WE SAY MANUFACTURED HOUSING TO BE HUD CERTIFIED PRODUCTS, WHICH ARE A FIXED TO A PERMANENT FOUNDATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH HUD BUILDING STANDARDS.
AND I ALREADY SENT THOSE STANDARDS TO THE STAFF TO NOW I AM FINE WITH, UH, WE COULD ALSO GIVE CITY COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THOSE CRITERIA ON, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IF, IF YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS VESTING AND WHAT SUBDIVISIONS ARE ALREADY VESTED IN THAT, BUT THAT IS, I SEND ALL THE INFORMATION TO STAFF AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.
[8. Staff Report]
I DON'T REMEMBER EIGHT STAFF REPORT, UH, STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, CITY PLANNER.I MEAN, HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE A LOT, I GUESS I ALSO ATTENDED, UH, APA VIRTUALLY, UM, I'LL HOPE EVERYBODY'S ALL RIGHT.
UM, IT WAS A, IT WAS A LITTLE SLIM FROM THE VIRTUAL STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO THE PANDEMIC IS HOPEFULLY FINGERS CROSSED WINDING DOWN.
UM, LISTENED TO A FEW, A HANDFUL OF, UM, SESSIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS, AND I WAS ABLE TO GET WORK DONE TOO AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, AS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, UM, INTERVIEWS FOR P AND Z COMMISSIONERS COMING UP.
AND, UH, OTHERWISE WE'VE INTENTIONALLY TRIED TO NOT SCHEDULE THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH FOR NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, JUST BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS, RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIME.
THEY IT'D JUST BE TOO TOO MUCH FUN TRYING TO GET A QUORUM.
I THINK, UM, Y'ALL DO A GREAT JOB, BUT EVERYBODY LIKES TO BE TAKE VACATION AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.
SO, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT, BUT, UM, AS USUAL, IF Y'ALL HAVE, HAVE AN IDEA OR YOU HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO RADIO RELATED TO PLANNING, SUBDIVISION, ZONING, WHATEVER, SOMETHING POPS UP, UH, COMMISSIONER SIGN-OFF IS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
UH, SHE'LL SEND US AN EMAIL AND FOR US TO PERUSE AND LOOK OVER AND WHAT HAVE YOU, SO, UM, FEEL FREE TO DO SO.
UM, WE, UH, WE APPRECIATE COMMUNICATION, SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT.
ADJOURNMENT MAY HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE.
IT HAS BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.