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[I. Call Meeting to Order]
GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.AND I'M GOING TO CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER WHAT ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ELLISON ROSA FLORES, KALE HERE.
[II. Approval of Minutes]
PRESENT.WE HAVE A QUORUM NEXT APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 1ST AND THE REGULAR MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 1ST AS WELL, AND THE SPECIAL MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 9TH.
SO AGAIN, IT'S BEEN MOVED BACK, CUTS FROM HER.
TOBY IS SECONDED BY COUNSELOR ELLISON THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 1ST AND NOVEMBER 9TH.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION COUNCILOR FLOOR SCALE.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR JENNIFER.
I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THERE WERE NO RECUSALS, CAUSE THERE WERE NONE STATED IN THE DRAFT, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE DURING THE MEETING.
IF YOU, I CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW THE AUDIO.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES THOSE MINUTES ARE TAKEN LIFETIME AND SO SOMETIMES I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT.
SO I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT BEFORE THEY'RE SIGNED.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[III. Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
PERIOD.AT THIS TIME WE ASK ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ADI.
SO WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU DIRECT THOSE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM.
IT, SUBMIT THAT TO EITHER MYSELF OR THE CITY SECRETARY.
I HAVE ONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK.
MR. CHRISTOPHER CAULKINS WITH AMVETS.
Y'ALL UH, LIKE THE OPEN UP WITH SAYING THAT I APPRECIATE THAT WE GET TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU AND UH, BRING THE GOOD NEWS, THE BAD NEWS AND THE UGLY TONIGHT.
I WANT TO APPRECIATE THE CITY OF KYLE FOR WHAT THEY DID FOR THE VETERANS.
TOTALLY ON TOTALLY ON A I'M GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE SPEECH HERE.
WE'RE AMVETS AMERICAN VETERANS.
WE'RE HERE TO TAKE CARE OF THE VETERANS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE OFF OF 4 0 1 VETERANS DRIVE.
UH, OUR HOUSE IS OPEN DAILY, EIGHT TO FIVE.
WE ALSO SERVE BREAKFAST EIGHT TO 11 ON WEEKENDS ON SATURDAYS.
AND UH, WE WANT TO SEE ALL THE VETERANS OUT THERE THAT, UH, WANT TO MAKE AN APPROACH.
I'M GOING TO GIVE A LIST OF WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR.
UM, THIS IS ONLY A SMALLEST I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU AND GLAZE OVER WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, AND IT TAKE ME ALMOST AN HOUR TO SIT HERE AND READ EVERYTHING.
BEEN A BUSY, BUSY BEES, CONDUCTED THREE VETERANS FUNERALS, INCLUDING HONOR GUARDS AND HONORS PROVIDED THREE HONOR GUARD HONORS FOR VETERANS AT GRAVESITE SENT PACKAGES OVERSEAS TO IRAQ.
JORDAN QATAR, AFGHANISTAN, SYRIA, SOUTH AFRICA FOR PROVIDED FACILITIES FOR COVID TESTING PROVIDED AN HONOR GUARD TO LEAD THE CREEDMORE OCTOBER, UH, PARADE PARTICIPATED IN GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY FOR THE FUTURE HEROES OF MEMORIAL PARK PROVIDE A FREE BREAKFAST AND BARBECUE FOR THE ATTENDEES, SUPPORTED THE EFFORT TO CHANGE REBEL DRIVE TO VETERANS DRIVE DELIVERED FOOD TO THE CITIZENS.
UH, DURING THE FEBRUARY WINTER STORM PARTNER WITH GARY SINISE AND TITO'S VODKA AND THE DEBT DISASTER TEAM, AND TWO OTHER VETERAN ORGANIZATIONS ALONG WITH MANY VOLUNTEERS TO SERVE OVER 130,000 PEOPLE MEALS IN THREE DAYS TO FIRST RESPONDERS, HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOMS AND TO OUR CITIZENS IN NEED PROVIDED A BARBECUE APPRECIATION TO MILL ALL THE WORKERS AND CITIZENS.
AFTER THE WINTER STORM PROVIDED FACILITIES TO CONDUCT COMMUNITY BLOOD DRIVE CONDUCTED A FAMILY COOKOUT TAUGHT, TAUGHT 12 CHILDREN HOW TO FISH ALONG IN, UH, WITH A FOREST RANGER TO EDUCATE THEM.
AND ON THE FISHING RULES CONDUCTED FLAG RETIREMENT WITH HISTORY OF FLAGS AND EDUCATION
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ON PROPER RETIRING.THE AMERICAN FLAG FAMILY COOKOUTS FIREWORKS ON 4TH OF JULY PROVIDE FACILITIES FOR COMMUNITY GARAGE CELLS PROVIDED FACILITIES FOR HAYES COUNTY JEEP TO CONDUCT FUNDRAISERS FOR VETERANS PROVIDED HONOR GUARD TO LEAVE OF VETERANS PARADE AND FLOAT PROVIDED HONOR GUARD MEMBERS WITH A TILE VFW TO LEAD VETERANS PARADE AND FLOAT PROVIDED BARBECUE AND PROGRAM FOR ALL VETERANS AND ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE VETERANS DAY.
FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, WE WERE GOING TO DO A THANKSGIVING FOR NAVY VETERANS AND CITIZENS CHRISTMAS.
UH, I WANT TO ALSO LET EVERYBODY KNOW FROM, UH, EIGHT TO 10 FOR ALL THE VETERANS FOR BREAKFAST ON SATURDAY, BUT NOT, NOT AT LAST BUT NOT LEAST.
THANK YOU FOR THE VETERANS EVENT ON SATURDAY WAS VERY MOVING.
THAT'S ALL THE CITIZEN COMMENTS FORMS THAT I HAVE FILLED OUT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ANY ITEM? ALRIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.
[IV. City Manager's Report]
THE MAYOR COUNCIL.WE'VE GOT GREAT REPORT TO GIVE TONIGHT.
AND SO I'M GOING TO CUE UP THE PRESENTATION WHILE WE HAVE MARIANNA ESPENOSA COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MARIANA SPINOZA PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND HAZARD.
MR. SELLERS IS LOADING UP THE POWERPOINT.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE POWERPOINT IS A RECAP OF OUR VETERANS DAY PARADE AND CELEBRATION.
AND SO JUST ON BEHALF OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WE WERE EXTREMELY HONORED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT PUT, UH, COUNTLESS HOURS INTO PUTTING THE EVENT TOGETHER.
UM, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENT SUPPORT FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY DAY, STARTED WITH A PARADE FOLLOWED BY POST EVENT ACTIVITIES AND THEN ENDING THE DAY WITH FIREWORKS.
SO I WON'T SAY MUCH MORE, BUT, UM, OUR GREAT COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER A VIDEO TO KIND OF RECAPTURE THE DAY.
UM, BUT IT WAS A GREAT DAY TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE OUR VETERAN COMMUNITY.
WE AS A NATION ON HER BEDROOMS ON NOVEMBER 11TH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED ARMATO STAY OR REMEMBRANCE DAY, NOVEMBER 11TH WAS DESIGNATED IN 1919 BY PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON.
AS THE DAY, WE CHOOSE TO HONOR BEDROOMS THAT DATE COINCIDED WITH THE 11TH DAY OF THE 11TH MONTH OF, UH, 1918, WHICH COINCIDED WITH THE ARM BUSES AND THE END OF WORLD WAR ONE, AMERICAN WARRIORS, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN HAVE SERVED THIS NATION THROUGH MANY WARS AND CONFLICTS.
SINCE THAT TIME THEY SERVED BECAUSE OF LOVE FOR OUR NATION AND OUR RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN, SOME GAVE THEIR LIVES.
SOME ARE STILL UNACCOUNTED FOR SOME CAME HOME WOUNDED, BOTH MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY.
OTHERS SURVIVED TO RESUME THE LIFE THEY LEFT BEHIND.
NOT ALL VETERANS HAVE HAD TO FACE BATTLE, BUT ALL VETERANS ANSWERED TO THE CALL OF DUTY AND WOULD WILLINGLY FACE WAR FOR OUR FREEDOM AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.
WE KNOW THESE VETERANS AS DAD, MOM, SISTER, BROTHER, GRANDPARENTS, AND FRIENDS, THE CITY, THEIR EMPLOYEES, ALONG WITH THE CITIZENS HAVE MADE MAJOR STEPS TO ENSURE THAT OUR VETERANS ARE NOT FORGOTTEN.
THERE IS A HEROES FROM MEMORIAL PARK THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT, THE CHANGING OF REBEL DRIVE TO VETERANS DRIVE.
AND TODAY BEING THE FIRST ANNUAL VETERANS PARADE ON BEHALF OF ALL OF OUR VETERANS.
I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SHOWING OUR SUPPORT TO OUR VETERANS TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE TRULY LOVED AND APPRECIATED FOR THE SACRIFICES THAT WE WILL NEVER SEE AND THAT WE WILL NEVER KNOW.
SO, UM, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT HERE.
I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF KYLE
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FOR MAKING THIS SUCH A GREAT EVENT.UM, I WANNA THANK OUR FAMILIES FOR, UM, SUPPORTING US DURING THIS TIME AS WE SPENT ENDLESS HOURS OF, UH, ORGANIZING AND, AND MAKING THIS GRAVE BECAUSE I KNOW OUR VETERANS NEEDED THIS MORE THAN WE COULD IMAGINE.
IT IS MY HOPE AND IT IS MY GOAL THAT BY THIS TIME, NEXT YEAR, WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER ONE.
AND IN THIS TIME IN 25 YEARS, WE ARE STILL HAVING THESE IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
UM, AND I ASK THAT ANY VETERAN THAT NEEDS ANY TYPE OF ASSISTANCE, REACH OUT TO US, UM, IN ANY CAPACITY.
AND SO WE CAN HELP ASSIST THEM.
YOUR SERVICE IS MORE THAN APPRECIATED, HONORED, AND RESPECTED SO HOW CAN YOU AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN HELP, IF YOU OWN A BUSINESS, CONSIDER HIRING A VETERAN, ALSO PATRONIZING A VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS OR DONE DONATION TO VETERAN PROGRAM WILL HELP A LOT.
IF YOU GET A CHANCE, ASK THE VETERAN HOW THEY ARE DOING, IF YOU HAVE A VETERAN IN NEIGHBORHOOD, BEFRIEND THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THEM, OR JUST SIMPLY THANKING THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE MEANS MORE THAN YOU'LL EVER KNOW.
I'LL SAY THE PARADE WAS AMAZING.
THE FIREWORKS WERE INCREDIBLE.
SO DEFINITELY A NIGHT, UH, TO BE REMEMBERED.
REMEMBER TO BE HONEST, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, SO I'LL JUST BE REAL QUICK.
UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY LAST SUMMER WHEN ACTUALLY YOU COUNCILMAN ROBERT RIZO AND I WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WAYS WE CAN ALSO HONOR OUR VETERANS CAUSE, UH, COUNCILMAN REGIONAL WAS REALLY INVOLVED IN GETTING THE HERO'S MEMORIAL GOING.
YOU PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT BEHIND THAT.
SO THROUGH THE PLANNING OF THIS EVENT, SEVEN MONTHS AGO, THE VETERANS CELEBRATION WAS DECADES WAY OVERDUE TO OUR CITY AND OUR VETERANS.
WELL, I BROUGHT THIS TO A C MANAGER PARKS DIRECTOR BACK IN MARCH COVID NUMBERS WERE A LITTLE HIGH WITH THE VACCINES, WERE MAKING AN IMPACT.
MY HOPE AT THE TIME WAS MAYBE WE COULD BE ABLE TO FINALLY PULL THIS OFF.
I'M PROUD TO SAY WE, AS THE CITY WAS ABLE TO FINALLY GIVE OUR LOCAL VETERANS, THE HONOR, RESPECT AND RECOGNITION.
THEY SO WELL DIVERT, UH, DESERVE MANY MONTHS OF PLANNING MEETINGS, NUMEROUS EMAILS, PHONE CALLS, AND A CALL OUT FOR CITIZEN VOLUNTEER.
VOLUNTEERS REALLY MADE THE DIFFERENCE.
SO A BIG THANKS TO ALL OF THE CITY STAFF THAT WERE OUT THERE THAT REALLY HELPED WITH THAT.
RACHEL'S SARAH GRANT, GARRETT FOR SAMANTHA, FOR THE MEDIA AND, UH, BENITO AND YOUR AWESOME GROUND CREWS, UH, SHOWING THE GOLD STANDARD OF OUR CITY WITH SETTING UP ALL THE BARRIERS AND BANNERS AND FLAGS FOR AN STAGE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY THE DAY'S ACTIVITIES, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CITIZENS ON PATROL FOR THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONTROL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, YVONNE FLORES, KALE FOR THE SYSTEMS WITH FAMILY, AND ALSO WITH BEING VERY PERSISTENT ABOUT THE FIREWORKS AND ALSO THE VENDOR, UH, COUNCILMAN DEX ELLISON.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN THOSE MEETINGS TO UTILIZE OUR EFFORTS, TO DEFINE THE OVERALL GOALS FOR THIS EVENT.
AND ALSO MANY, MANY CITIZENS, UH, PETER PARKER, EVA MCADAMS, MARTIN LIONS, WORK IN THE CITY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ASSISTANT TO OUR VENDORS AND THE PARADE PARTICIPANTS, UH, THE CHAPEL FAMILY AS WELL FOR HELPING OUT THE CITY TO RUN THE VETERAN HOSPITALITY BOOZE, TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO OUR WORD ABOUT OUR WONDERFUL CITY WITH THE RAFFLE PRIZES AND, UH, FOR THE VETERANS IN SIGN UP SHEETS.
LAST COUNT WE HAD OVER 79 VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES, SOME AS FAR AS HOUSTON THAT DROVE IN AND STOPPED BY THE HOSPITALITY BOOTH.
SO I WANTED TO BASICALLY SAY FINALLY, WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER THE SACRIFICES THAT OUR VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES GIVE TO US TO LIVE FREE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ENABLES TO HAVE THAT GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE CHERISH SO MUCH.
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AGAIN, VETERANS, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE WE WANT TO KEEP GOING CUSTOMER FLOORS KILLED.UM, I WANT TO FIRST AND FOREMOST AS AN ARMY BRAT, SAY THANK YOU TO THE VETERANS BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU GUYS THIS DAY WOULD NOT EVEN BE POSSIBLE.
BUT, UM, WITH THAT SAID, I ALSO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE FIREWORKS GUY WHO, UM, WE, THESE, THIS THE SAME GENTLEMAN WE USED IN JULY, AND I DON'T WANT THIS TENDED TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, KIND OF GIVING PEOPLE A SECOND CHANCE, UH, TO KIND OF WRITE THEIR WRONGS.
BUT, UM, THE FIREWORKS WERE AMAZING AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS AND I FOUGHT REALLY HARD FOR THEM.
UM, AND I'M I'M, IT WAS A COIN TOSS.
IT COULD'VE GONE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT, UM, LUCKILY IT WAS HEADS FOR ME.
UM, AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE MOST OF THE DAY.
UH, I'VE NEVER SEEN DEX ELLISON COUNCIL MEMBER, DEX, ALLISON MORE IN HIS ELEMENT.
AND I MADE IT IF WE WERE THERE FROM LIKE 10 32 AFTER THE FIREWORKS.
AND IT FELT LIKE AN HOUR, LIKE THE TIME WENT BY REALLY FAST AND GETTING TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS.
THERE WAS NEVER A TIME THAT DEX WAS ALONE.
AND SO, UM, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW, UM, ROBERT RIZZO WAS ABLE TO, TO DRIVE THE GRAND MARSHALL, WHICH IS A HUGE APPRECIATION FOR US.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD ALMOST ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY IN THE SAME PLACE.
UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO PETER DEPARTURE, WHO, UM, I CO-CHAIRED WITH FOR THE POST EVENTS.
AND IT WAS A LOVE, HATE RELATIONSHIP, BUT IF IT WAS NOT FOR HIM, UM, BANGING ON THE DOOR OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR HE, UM, DID HIS OWN VETERAN'S DAY DRIVE DRIVE AROUND.
UM, WITHOUT A DOUBT, IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM, I CAN'T SAY WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AS ENCOURAGED TO DO THIS AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE COVID AROUND, UM, AS WE WERE.
SO THANK YOU TO PETER AND, UM, THANK YOU TO OUR VETERANS.
AND THEN THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO ATTENDED.
I WILL SAY I MET SOMEBODY FROM NAVASOTA, UM, THAT, THAT DROVE DOWN HERE FOR THIS PARADE.
UM, ODDLY ENOUGH, HIS LAST NAME WAS FLORES.
AND SO WHEN HE SAW MY SIGN, HE ASKED ME, UM, WAS, WAS THAT MY SIGN? WAS THAT MY NAME? AND I SAID, YES.
AND SO WE STARTED TALKING AND THEN I LEARNED THAT HE WAS A VETERAN AND THEN HE ASKED IF HE COULD RIDE ON OUR FLOATS.
AND IT DIDN'T, IF HE'S WATCHING MR. FLORES, IT WAS A TOTAL HONOR TO HAVE YOU ON OUR FLOAT.
AND HE PROVIDED EVERYBODY FLAGS.
SO IT WAS A GREAT DAY AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND EVERYONE ATTENDING THESE KINDS OF EVENTS BECAUSE IT TRULY FELT LIKE, LIKE A COMMUNITY THAT I THINK KYLE IS.
MOVING ON, UH, MARIANNA, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR UPCOMING EVENT.
SO TODAY WE STARTED UNWRAPPING OUR HOLIDAY DECORATION FOR OUR HOLIDAY LIGHTS, UH, AT MARY KYLE HARTSON CITY SQUARE PARK, AND WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, WE HAVE THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE PARK AND THE SANTAS ARRIVAL EVENT.
IT STARTS AT FOUR 30 IN THE AFTERNOON WITH A SCHOOL CHOIR IS BEGINNING TO PERFORM THE RIBBON.
CUTTING CEREMONY WILL START AT 6:00 PM WITH THE TREE LIGHTING AND ALL THE HOLIDAY LIGHTS BEING LIT AT APPROXIMATELY 6:15 PM.
SO THAT'S ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MARIANNA REAL QUICK.
UM, HAVE WE, UH, SET A TIME UP WHEN WE'RE GOING TO START WRAPPING PRAISE WITH, UH, ACTUALLY GRIPPING TREES TODAY? AWESOME.
AND THE PARK IS LOOKING AMAZING.
UH, JENNIFER, UM, SO WE ARE HAVING OUR RUNOFF ELECTION.
THE EARLY VOTING WILL START ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND, AND IT GOES THROUGH DECEMBER 3RD AND THEN WE WILL HAVE ELECTION DAY ON DECEMBER 7TH.
THE LOCATIONS FOR EARLY VOTING ARE HERE AT CAL CITY HALL AND THE ROOM NEXT DOOR, UH, THE FALCON ROOM.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO VOTE AT BUDA CITY HALL ON ELECTION DAY.
YOU CAN VOTE A BUDA CITY HALL CALL CITY HALL, OR THE HAYES COUNTY PRECINCT TO OFFICE, UM, VISIT OUR WEBSITE CITY OF CALL.COM/ELECTION FOR ALL THE DETAILS.
AND THAT WAS JENNIFER HOME, OUR CITY SECRETARY.
NEXT WE HAVE DIANA TORRES DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL DIANA TORRES DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RECORD.UM, JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THIS EVENT THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IN PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCKHART, SAN MARCUS AND BUDA AND THE GREATER SAN MARCOS PARTNERSHIP, UH, VICTORIA FROM OUR DEPARTMENT HAS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT AND IT IS CALLED GET HIRED EVENT.
IT IS AN EVENT THAT IS GOING TO BE OPEN FOR, UM, FOR FREE TO ANY APPLICANTS.
SO ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKING FOR A JOB, UM, IT IS NO REGISTRATION FEE.
UM, IT IS AGAIN THIS THURSDAY FROM 10 TO THREE AND IT'LL BE AT GEMSTONE PALACE.
UM, THERE WAS A BIT OF CONFUSION IN, UM, THE REGISTRATION PROCESS.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR.
THERE IS NO REGISTRATION FEE FOR ANY APPLICANTS.
AND IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY, OR IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A JOB YOURSELF, YOU WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHOW UP AT A GEMSTONE PALACE THIS THURSDAY AND NO REGISTRATION REQUIRED, NO REGISTRATION FEE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR THAT.
OH, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A COUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW ATTEND? YES, WE WILL.
I APPRECIATE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, I THINK 17 COMPANIES SIGNED UP THAT ARE HIRING GREAT JOB.
WOULD YOU LIKE THEM TO REGISTER NO REGISTERED, NO REGISTRATION FEE OR NO.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, OUR REVISED DECEMBER CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULED, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION.
SO IT WILL BE MONDAY, DECEMBER SIX AND THEN, UH, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 16TH IS IN LIEU OF DECEMBER 21ST MEETINGS.
SO WE TRIED TO PROTECT THAT WEEK OF, OF, UH, THE HOLIDAY AND, UH, BROUGHT THAT MEETING BACK.
SO MARK YOUR CALENDARS MONDAY, DECEMBER 6TH AND THURSDAY, DECEMBER 16TH, BOTH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS, TIM KYLE NEWS.
UH, WE DO HAVE OUR THANKSGIVING LUNCHEON FOR THE TEAM.
KYLE OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED TOMORROW FROM 1130 TO ONE 30 SO THAT ALL STAFF CAN PARTICIPATE IN THAT ANNUAL EVENT.
AND THEN THE CITY WILL BE CLOSED, UH, THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 25TH AND 26 FOR THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
ALSO ON TEAM CAL NEWS, UH, VERY HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THE AMBER LEWIS HAS, UH, BEEN OFFERED THE JOB AND IS ACCEPTED TO BE OUR NEXT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OVER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AMBER IS, UH, CURRENTLY THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR IN ROLLINGWOOD IN AUSTIN.
SHE WILL START WITH US DECEMBER 6TH, OFFICIALLY, BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, SHE MAY BE UNOFFICIALLY VISITING US TONIGHT.
SO EVERYONE LOOKED BACK AT AMBER AND WELCOME HER TO TEAM KYLE.
UH, AND NOW OUR HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR, SANDRA DRAIN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME THE FOLLOWING TEAM MEMBERS THAT STARTED WITH TEAM KYLE.
AS OF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAVE CHRISTINE DELA, CRUZ COURT, TONY VALENCIA, AND STREET'S BOBBY DOROTHY TREAT PLANT A TREATMENT PLANT, VANESSA HAYES TREATMENT PLANT, AND SONICA HORN TELECOMMUNICATIONS, VERY TALENTED PEOPLE.
AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, RECOGNIZE THE VETERANS THAT WE HAVE IN TEAM KYLE, THE FOLLOWING, UH, TEAM MEMBERS ENTERED THE CALLS TO SERVE OUR COUNTRY AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE HIS SUE'S OF NANDO'S FROM LIBRARY, DAMON NARVAEZ, KPD COLE BATES.
KPD TIM CROP, LEE FACILITIES, MARIO BAUTISTA, E S N T DANIELLE DELYON GHETTO FROM IT.
MATTHEW LEATHERS KPD FILIPPO WAILER KPD DUSTIN SCHULER.
KPD DARRYL SEAGRAVE KPD DUARTE PAMPLONA KPD JARRETT BEAN K P D
KPD JACOB LURIA, K P D PHILLIP CLEARY.
GARY STEVENS BUILDING ROBERT DUFREE FRIEDA'S PUBLIC WORKS.
CHRISTIAN QUAD IS PUBLIC WORKS.
BRETT LANCE UBI, TRACY FLORES.
KPD MATTHEW MICHELSON KPD DANIEL RAINWATER.
KPD VINCENT ACEVEDO PUBLIC WORKS, DEREK TURLEY PUBLIC WORKS, MATT CLARK KPD AND CHRISTIANA SPENCER H R ABOUT 10% OF OUR STAFF ARE VETERANS.
SAMANTHA ARMBRUSTER DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, AND I GET TO SHARE THE AWESOME NEWS THAT OUT OF 314 ENTRIES FROM ACROSS THE STATE, THE CITY OF KYLE WAS
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AWARDED TWO FROM A STATE AGENCY FOR SOME RECENT VIDEOS.WE GOT FIRST PLACE IN OUR COVID PSA.
THIS IS A VIDEO THAT WAS PUT OUT, TELLING PEOPLE TO STAY HOME AND KEEP ALL THE PIE FOR THEMSELVES DURING COVID.
AND WE RECEIVED THIRD PRICE, WHICH IS THIRD PLACE FOR OUR MILITARY VIDEO.
THAT WAS FOR THE HEROES MEMORIAL, A GROUNDBREAKING EVENT.
AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT OUR RECENT VETERANS DAY PARADE WILL BE A CONTENDER NEXT YEAR, A SPECIAL THANKS TO GRANT BOWLING.
I DON'T SEE HIM BECAUSE HE'S BEHIND THE DOOR, BROADCASTING THESE MEETINGS, BUT HE IS THE MAGIC BEHIND THESE AWARD-WINNING VIDEOS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MATT BACK THERE.
AND I MEAN, HIS WORK IS PHENOMENAL, BUT HIS ATTITUDE AND HIS KINDNESS, LIKE HE'S JUST SUCH A GREAT PERSON.
UM, SO OVERALL WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE HIM, SO THANK YOU.
QUITE A LOT PACKED INTO THOSE FEW MINUTES.
[5. Presentation regarding Kinder Morgan. ~ Travis Mitchell, Mayor]
UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE PRESENTATION REGARDING KINDER MORGAN.UH, SO AS THE MOST OF US ON THE DICE WERE HERE, WHEN WE NEGOTIATED WITH KINDER MORGAN, UH, THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT THAT WAS REACHED REGARDING A 42 INCH NATURAL GAS PIPELINE THAT WAS COMING THROUGH THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, UH, AS PART OF OUR, UH, AGREEMENT WITH KINDER MORGAN, THEY AGREED TO PAY A TOTAL OF $2.7 MILLION IN TWO INSTALLMENT PAYMENTS.
THE FIRST IS 1.35 WAS RECEIVED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UH, THEIR SECOND PAYMENT, UH, IS, UH, THE REASON FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS. SO I WANT TO ASK MR. ALLEN FOR IF YOU WANTED TO COME FORWARD.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU BRIEFLY AGAIN THIS EVENING.
UM, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, THIS IS A MILESTONE WEEK FOR US.
I THINK WE TRIED TO DO IT TODAY, SEND THE MONEY, BUT IT'S IN, IT'S NOT IN THE MAIL IT'S ACTUALLY COMING.
UM, BUT, BUT, UH, CREDIT TO THE COUNCIL AND PARTICULARLY YOU MAY, OR FOR THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS NEGOTIATED.
UH, AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS TODAY BACK IN 2018.
UM, AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER, I KNOW YOU PERSONALLY AND CITY STAFF WERE ENGAGED IN, UH, IN A, IN A VERY ASSERTIVE WAY ON THE WHOLE PROCESS, UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF REGULATIONS FROM A STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE EXPANSION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THE CITY WAS VERY FORTHRIGHT FROM THE START ABOUT ROUTING ABOUT SAFETY, UH, BUT ACTUALLY PUT THAT INTO A COMPREHENSIVE AGREEMENT IN WRITING THAT WAS SIGNED BY BOTH PARTIES, UH, THAT BINDS US, UH, NOT JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENT, WHICH IS UNPRECEDENTED FOR US, UM, CREDIT TO THE CITY AGAIN.
UM, BUT ALSO FOR THE FUTURE FOR THINGS LIKE AS, AS, AS COUNCIL AND ELLISON HAS POINTED OUT WHAT WE CAN PUT IN THE PIPELINE.
UM, SO, UM, I HONESTLY I'VE SAID BEFORE, AND I THINK AGAIN, THAT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS GOING TO BE, UH, UM, UH, OTHERS ARE GOING TO LOOK TO YOU, OTHER JURISDICTIONS, OTHER CITIES, UM, WHEN WE, WHENEVER WE START AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, UH, UH, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS AS, AS A CITY, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IS CONTROVERSIAL.
UH, WHEN YOU EXPAND ANYTHING, UH, IS GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL, A LOT OF STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT OUR TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE, NATURAL GAS, UH, AND THE USE OF THOSE FUELS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE LASTING VALUES OF THIS PROJECT, UM, IS THE SUPPLY OF NATURAL GAS.
IF WE SAW IN THE WINTER STORM EVENTS, UH, THIS YEAR, UM, LAST YEAR, BUT THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR AND IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL SEE THIS AGAIN.
UH, OUR, OUR ENERGY GRID IS BEING STRAINED AND, UH, ENERGY ANALYST IN, IN THE LAST WINTER STORM CITED THIS PIPELINE, UH, AS A REASON THAT THERE WASN'T A, A BROADER FAILURE, UH, OF ENERGY SUPPLY TO THE AUSTIN GENERAL METROPOLITAN AREA.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ENORMOUS SUPPLY THAT THIS BRINGS THROUGH THE HILL COUNTRY.
THE OTHER THING WE'VE SEEN, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT NOW IT'S BECOMING MORE SPECIFIC IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT.
UH, ONE OF THE THING THAT PARTICULARLY LARGE MANUFACTURERS, UM, LARGE ASSEMBLY PLANTS AND OTHER FACILITIES LOOK AT IN ADDITION TO WORKFORCE AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND TAX STRUCTURE, ET CETERA, IS RELIABLE ENERGY SUPPLY.
UH, AND I KNOW SPECIFICALLY IN HILL COUNTRY, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUPS, UH, HAVE APPROACHED US, UM, ABOUT, UH, ACCESS TO LINE BY INTERESTED DEVELOPERS
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OF THAT TYPE.SO THAT TYPE OF, UH, UH, GROWTH AND, AND, UH, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THOSE ARE THE LAST EIGHT ITEMS I THINK THAT WILL BE EVALUATED THE CITY OF KYLE HAYES COUNTY AND THE HILL COUNTRY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE PROJECT.
I KNOW WHEN WE START, IT COULD BE CONTROVERSIAL.
I HOPE MOST OF YOU BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE DID.
WE WEREN'T PERFECT IN THE PROCESS, BUT I KNOW THE MAYOR CALLED US MANY TIMES.
COUNCIL MEMBERS CALLED US ABOUT ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S WITH LANDOWNERS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
AND WE, I HOPE WE ADDRESS THAT IN A PROMPT WAY.
WE'VE ENJOYED VERY MUCH BEING PART OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT I WAS EXCITED MAYOR, WHEN YOU SHOWED ME WHAT SOME OF THE FUNDS ARE BEING USED FOR IN YOUR PARK, UH, IT VERY EXCITING.
UM, AND WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR MANY YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO, AGAIN, THANK THE COUNCIL AND STAFF, THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THIS WAS, UM, UH, AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR US, AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE HILL COUNTRY IN TEXAS.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND YOU ALLEN, YOU KNOW, I, UH, I ACTUALLY WILL, UH, SORT OF ECHO WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT WINTER STORM YURI AS AN UNDENIABLE FACT IN THE MITCHELL HOUSEHOLD, BECAUSE WE HAD POWER GONE AND, UH, FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
AND, UH, THE ONE THING THAT WAS OUR SAVING GRACE, THE ONE THING THAT NEVER FAILED WAS OUR NATURAL GAS FIREPLACE, AND IT KEPT OUR WHOLE HOUSE HEATED IN TIME OF CRISIS.
SO IT WAS, UH, PRETTY, UH, PRETTY INTERESTING TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST HOW NATURAL GAS, AS, YOU KNOW, AS AN SOURCE OF ENERGY AND HEAT CAN BE, UH, VALUABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO FOR THAT, WE ARE THANKFUL AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A CHALLENGE, UH, DEALING WITH THE SIZE OF A PIPELINE.
AND SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE, WERE TENSE THROUGH THE YEARS, BUT WE DID COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND, UH, AND CERTAINLY KINDER MORGAN HAS LIVED UP TO THEIR END AND THEY ARE TO BE COMMITTED FOR THAT.
UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? I BELIEVE THE WIRE, THE FUNDS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE IN WIRE.
SO IT'LL BE HERE TOMORROW, DEFINITELY THIS WEEK, FOR SURE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WANT TO ADD CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE? THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LIVING UP TO YOUR PART OF THE BARGAIN, BUT, UM, IF EVER THERE IS A TIME THAT YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME A CALL AND WE CAN DISCUSS THE PIPELINE AND HOW IT WORKS.
UM, BECAUSE MAYBE BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, UM, I WOULD JUST ASSUME THAT IT GOES THROUGH OUR IT, SINCE IT'S GOING DOWN THAT TENDS TO GET EXPORTED AND I COULD BE INCORRECT, BUT, UM, I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT LINE WORKS AND, AND TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BENEFITS THAT IT BRINGS TO OUR CITY.
UH, IF I COULD JUST QUICK, I WILL, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP.
YOU'D LIKE TO THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS IS WHERE DOES THIS GAS GO? UM, AND, UH, WHENEVER WE BUILD A PROJECT PROPOSED TO BUILD A PROJECT, UH, WE DON'T BUILD IT UNLESS THE CAPACITY OF THE PIPELINE IS, IS NEARLY FULL.
WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL FUTURE ACCESS TO THE, TO, UH, CUSTOMERS.
BUT, UM, SO ALL OF THE GAS IN THE PIPELINE IS BEING DELIVERED PRIMARILY TO TEXAS-BASED CUSTOMERS AND CUSTOMERS AT THE END OF THE DAY ARE UTILITIES OR INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES, BUT ULTIMATELY HOMES AND BUSINESSES.
UM, THE, TO THE HILL COUNTRY, THOUGH, THIS TYPE OF INDUSTRY, THERE'VE BEEN NATURAL GAS PIPELINES IN THE AREA FOR, FOR GENERATIONS.
UM, THAT'S HOW YOU'VE RECEIVED NATURAL GAS PRIOR TO THIS PROJECT.
THE VALUE OF THIS IS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS IT.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE MULTIPLE DELIVERY POINTS IN THE HELOC COUNTRY.
NOW, BASICALLY THAT MEANS THIS IS A BIG 42 INCH LINE, A UTILITY OR OTHER ENTITY WILL HOOK ONTO THE PIPE AND PULL GAS OFF FOR LOCAL DISTRIBUTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING MORE OF.
SO YOUR LOCAL UTILITIES ARE ALREADY IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO THE LINE FOR THE FUTURE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW FROM THE WINTER STORM IS RELIABLE ACCESS AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE CONTRACTUAL ACCESS, BECAUSE WHEN THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND ON THE SYSTEM, THE CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE THAT CONTRACTUAL ACCESS HAVE PRIORITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE UTILITIES ARE LOOKING AT.
THAT'S WHAT THE TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION IS LOOKING AT, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PIPELINE WILL PROVIDE.
BUT WE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU, AL.
[6.
Presentation of graduates from the Kyle Citizens Police Academy Class #13. ~ Jeff Barnett, Chief of Police
| Mark Stoub | Alan Fenter | Robert Rizo | David Sugerman |
| Albert Karch | Alonso Iruegas | Patricia Meyers | Shaquera “SJ” Parish |
| Tracy Scheel | Mary Grace Montgomery | Jessica Michallick | Juan Pineda |
| Mary Rehmann | Thelma Trahan | Angelica Medina | Isabel Armas |
| Randi Lehr | Gloria Aguilar | Jeneva Garza | Amy Croutch |
| Aida Esquivel | Paula Rizo | Ryan Daniel | Alma Medina |
]NUMBER SIX.
PRESENTATION OF GRADUATES FROM THE CAL CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, CLASS NUMBER 13, CHIEF BARNETT.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A S A STORY, TOM, ABOUT A CERTAIN MEMBER UP HERE BEING WRAPPED UP.
I SAW, I SAW A PICTURE THAT NEEDS EXPLANATION.
I FIGURED IT NEEDS IT IN THE PUBLIC.
I THINK THAT MAY BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
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IT'S GOING TO GIVE JUST A SECOND FOR THE GROUP TO ROLL IN.MY NAME IS JEFF BARNETT, CHIEF OF POLICE.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE THIS EVENING TO RECOGNIZE A GROUP OF EXTRAORDINARY CITIZENS.
THIS GROUP OF CITIZENS UNDERTOOK A, UH, TRAINING OPPORTUNITY AND A PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITY WITH THE COWL POLICE DEPARTMENT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, KNOWN AS OUR CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY.
THIS IS CLASS NUMBER 13 THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS CONDUCTED.
AND THIS GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT WE'RE HERE TO RECOGNIZE, TO NOT GAVE AT LEAST 10 WEEKS OF THEIR TIME, SOMETIMES TWO OR THREE DAYS DURING THAT WEEK, WHEN THEY WOULD COME OUT ON THE WEEKENDS AND SUCH AND PARTICIPATE IN THE RIDE ALONGS, BUT THEY GAVE THEIR TIME AS A MEMBER OF OUR CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT MEANS ALL FACETS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE CITIZENS COME TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH AN OPEN MIND AND A WILLINGNESS TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT SERVICES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN OFFER.
AND WE COULD NOT DO SO WITHOUT GREAT CITIZENS TO START.
WE COULD NOT DO SO WITHOUT GREAT INSTRUCTORS TO LEAD THE CLASSES.
AND THAT COMES FROM THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FROM THEIR VARIOUS ASSIGNMENTS.
WE CERTAINLY COULD NOT DO THAT WITHOUT THE LEAD INSTRUCTORS THAT MAKE SURE THAT THE ACADEMY CLASSES RAN SMOOTHLY AND PROFICIENTLY AND PROFESSIONALLY.
AND THAT IS OFFICER JAMES PLANT.
WHO'S HERE WITH ME NOW, AND OFFICER DAN PRUITT WHO SEE TO IT EACH WEEK THAT THE CLASS IS RAN ON TIME AND PROVIDES GOOD INSTRUCTION AND INFORMATION TO OUR CITIZENRY.
THE PURPOSE OF OUR CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY CLASS IS TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP TO SHARE WHAT WE DO AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO BE OPEN, TO BE FORTHCOMING ABOUT OUR STRENGTHS, OUR WEAKNESSES, TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF COL.
BUT AGAIN, TO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THROUGHOUT THE 10 WEEK PROGRAM, THE CITIZENS ATTEND VARIOUS CLASSES WHERE WE HAVE MEMBERS THROUGHOUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO COME IN AND SHARE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO PERFORM THEIR SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY.
JUST A FEW OF THE AREAS INCLUDE THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION, ANIMAL CONTROL CODE ENFORCEMENT RECORDS, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, JUVENILE OFFICER SERVICES, VICTIM SERVICES, THE SWAT TEAM, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND CERTAINLY OUR PATROL OFFICERS AND MANY MORE, WE HAVE HAD AN OUTSTANDING CLASS, AND WE'RE HERE TO RECOGNIZE THIS GRADUATING CLASS IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS FOR CLASS 13, BUT YOU'LL ALSO SEE IN THE ROOM MEMBERS IN BLUE AND A FEW IN WHITE SHIRTS THAT REPRESENT THE ALUMNI CLASSES FROM THOSE WHO HAVE GRADUATED BEFORE THOSE MEMBERS CONTINUE TO SERVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE SUBMIT, WE MENTIONED THEM EARLIER TONIGHT AT OUR VETERANS DAY EVENTS, THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE, AND WE WILL BE ASKING THIS GRADUATING CLASS TO JOIN OUR ALUMNI ASSOCIATION SO THAT THEY TOO CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE AND BE PART OF THE CAL PD FAMILY.
THAT'S THE CITIZEN'S POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI.
AND THEN FOR THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO MOVE INTO OUR EVER-GROWING CITIZENS ON PATROL PROGRAM, BOTH OF WHICH REPRESENT US VERY WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE JUST A SECOND HERE TO INTRODUCE OFFICER JAMES PLANT AND LET HIM TELL YOU A BIT MORE AFTER WE GIVE OUR, AFTER THE CEREMONY AND RECOGNITION BRIEFLY, I'LL ALSO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THERE'S A SMALL RECEPTION AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CELEBRATE THEIR GRADUATION AS WELL.
OFFICER JAMES PLANT, MAYOR COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, JAMES PLANT POLICE, OFFICER CAL PD.
AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS FOR SUPPORTING PROGRAM.
I THINK WE HAD ONE YEAR WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE A CLASS FOR SOME REASON.
I THINK IT WAS A STAFFING ISSUE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE RUN AT LEAST ONE CLASS SOMETIMES TWO YEAR.
UM, THIS GROUP HAS BEEN GREAT.
THIS IS OUR FIRST CLASS SINCE, UM, THE PANDEMIC AND WE WERE ABLE TO START MEETING, UH, MEETING AGAIN.
WE DID A LOT OF THE CLASSES HERE IN THE CHAMBER, SO, UM, WE WERE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOAST IT, SOMETHING NEW THAT WE HADN'T HAD IN ANY CLASSES PRIOR WAS WE HAD A SWAT DEMONSTRATION PUT ON BY THE HAYES COUNTY SWAT TEAM AT THE ALERT CENTER.
UM, THE STUDENTS WERE ABLE TO, UM, GO TO DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UM, ROOMS AND LEARN ABOUT DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT THAT THE SWAT TEAMS HAVE.
I HAD NO CLUE THEY HAD ROBOTICS, UM, BUT THEY GOT TO SEE THE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.
THEN THEY DID A, UH, A HOME ENTRY ROOM ENTRY WHERE THEY STARTED WITH SNIPER, UM, TAKING A SHOT INTO A WINDOW, AND THEN THE TEAM WENT IN.
SO, UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE SOME COOL STUFF.
AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY HOSTED THAT CLASS AS A JOINT CLASS WITH BUDDHISTS CALL CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY THAT THEY, THAT THEY STARTED THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST CLASSES.
UM, WE HAD 22 ATTEND THIS 10 WEEK COURSE.
UH, WE'RE HOPING NEXT YEAR TO HAVE 30, IF, IF CHIEF ALLOWS.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GET INTO THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, WE, YOU KNOW, THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.
UM, WE HAD A, UH, WE HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM,
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COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO IN THIS CLASS.HE WAS THERE EVERY WEEK, MADE SURE OF IT.
HE WAS LIKE, HEY, I'M GOING TO BE THERE.
I MIGHT BE LATE, BUT I'M GOING TO BE THERE.
UM, GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU ATTENDING THE CLASS AND A COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON, HELPING OUT WITH SOME OF THE SCENARIOS AND JUST STOPPING BY DURING THE, UH, DURING THE 10 WEEK PROGRAM.
UM, I WOULD LOVE, WELL, COUNCILMEMBER RECOVERY HERE, YOU'RE AN ALUMNI AND YOU SHOW UP TO, UM, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND WE WOULD LOVE ALL OF COUNCIL TO ATTEND IT AND JUST LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, CITIZENS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, TO, UH, TO NOT ONLY, UH, SEE FACES AND LEARN NAMES, BUT JUST KIND OF GET THE PERSONALITY.
THOSE OFFICERS ARE THAT ARE TEACHING.
UM, NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO JUST READ THE NAMES OF THE APPLICANT.
HAVE THE STUDENTS, THE GRADUATES, AND THEN TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU GUYS.
IF WE CAN DO THAT CAPTAIN SERGEANT BONE, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO SAY, OKAY, GLORIA AGUILAR, AMY CROUCH, GENEVA GARZA, ALONZO ERECTUS, ALBERT KARCHER ALL MY MEDINA.
HEY DIANE SCOVILLE, THELMA, TREY HAN DIANA MYERS, JESSICA METALLIC, MARY GRACE, MONTGOMERY, JUAN PANETTA, MARY RAYMOND, RYAN.
CAN I SEE SHE'LL PAULA RIZZO LAST BUT NOT LEAST COUNCIL MEMBER.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG
PLEASE TELL ME YOU LOVE THAT, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS A, IT'S A PANORAMIC.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY CHEESE AND EVERYONE STAY REALLY STILL, AND I'M GOING TO SCAN THIS WAY.
DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH THIS TIME.
UH, LET'S UH, LET'S RECONVENE AT EIGHT.
[7. CIP/Road Projects Presentation. ~ Travis Mitchell, Mayor]
ALL RIGHT.I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER AT 8:02 PM.
UH, NEXT UP IS JEN ADAM, SEVEN CIP ROAD PROJECTS PRESENTATION.
MARION COUNCIL, LEON BARBARA CITY ENGINEER.
WE'LL START OFF WITH THE BEST PROJECT.
ONE OF THE BEST PROJECTS, OF COURSE,
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HERO'S MEMORIAL PARK.UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE FORMING THE MEMORIAL HONOR WALL.
UH, THEY'RE INSTALLING THE BRIDGE STEEL BRIDGE SPANS AND, UH, THERE'S ONLY A PUMP VOLT AND WATER FOUNTAIN.
SO YOU SEE A REALLY GOOD PICTURE THERE OF THE FEATURE BRIDGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE LIVE OUT OF THE PARK, UH, BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES, IT'S STILL AT ABOUT 15% COMPLETE, UH, INSTALLING UTILITIES AND A PUMP VAULT ON THAT PROJECT.
MARY CAL HARTSON PARK PROJECT.
IT'S REALLY STARTING TO LOOK REALLY GREAT IN THERE.
UH, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE METAL, UH, CUSTOM-MADE METAL FENCING.
THEY'RE PLANNING TO INSTALL THAT THIS WEEK, UH, THE PAVERS AND THE PROMENADE ARE BEING IS BEING LAID ON THERE.
AND THEN, UH, THEY ARE WORKING ON THE NORTH AND EASTERN PORTIONS, INSTALLING LANDSCAPING, CONCRETE DRILLS, AND ELECTRICITY.
THE ONE HE HAS HILLS STREET RANGE PROJECT.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME YOU'LL SEE THIS SLIDE.
WE DID GET OUR REMAINING CAN FINAL PAYMENT.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW IS WE'RE WORKING ON RESPONDING TO A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT THE GLO IS ASKING US TO CLOSE OUT THE PROJECT SOUTH SIDE WASTEWATER PROJECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE LIFT STATION GOING SO THAT WE'RE READY TO ACCEPT FLOWS.
UH, THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO COMPLETE THIS AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE TEXTILE RIGHT AWAY TO START WRAPPING UP THE REST OF THE LINE THAT WE HAVE TO INSTALL IN THOSE AREAS, THE TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION PROJECT, WE'RE ABOUT 79% COMPLETE.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WORKING SATURDAYS WITH BASED ON THE WEATHER THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
UH, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE PLANT BYPASS OPERATION AND THE GENERATOR TASTING TESTING IS UNDERWAY.
THESE REAL IMPORTANT FEATURES OF THE PLANT.
UH, THE BYPASSING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE ACTUALLY CONNECTING THE EXISTING 30 INCH LINE THAT WE HAVE THERE, THE NEW 42 INCH LINE THAT WE HAVE THERE TO THE NEW MANHOLES.
SO IT'S PRETTY SERIOUS OPERATION.
UH, WE STILL PLAN TO COMPLETE THIS BY MARCH OF 2022 AND THE, UH, DE-WATER FACILITY BY AUGUST OF 2022.
EVERYTHING'S STILL ON SCHEDULE LEANNA.
IS THERE A, UH, A PLAN FOR LIKE A RIBBON CUTTING OF THE TREATMENT PLANT? WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT YET, BUT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IT'S OUR ORIGINAL BIG INVESTMENT.
IT'S AT ONE POINT IT WAS OUR BIGGEST INVESTMENT.
WE DO HAVE A DRONE VIDEO OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THAT THAT'S OUT THERE, THE BUTTON CREEK INTERCEPTOR, A GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS.
WE, UH, WE'RE ABOUT, WE'RE STILL AT 60% COMPLETE.
UH, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THAT 36 INCH PIPE THAT WE KEEP HEARING TWO WEEKS, BUT, UH, WE'LL WE'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN WE SAY IT, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE, WE DID GET SOME 12 INCH PIPE IN, WHICH IS FOR THE RECLAIMED WATER LINE.
WE DID HAVE TWO BOARS UNDER THE CREEK THERE WE'VE DONE THE ONE FOR THE 42 INCH LINE.
WE STILL NEED TO DO THE REMAINING BOARD FOR THE 12 INCH LINE OH POST ROAD.
UH, THE OWNER DID AGREE TO THE RISE RIGHT AWAY.
WE DIDN'T QUITE GET THE DOCUMENTS WRAPPED UP.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THOSE TO TRY TO WRAP THOSE UP.
UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, BUT THEY DID ALLOW US TO START CONSTRUCTION.
PUBLIC WORKS IS ABOUT 70% COMPLETE ON THEIR WATER LINE.
AND THEY'RE THINKING BEEN TWO TO THREE WEEKS THAT BE FINISHED IN THE COUNTY'S PLANNING TO JUMP IN RIGHT AFTER THAT START EXCAVATION ELLIOT BRANCH INTERCEPTOR.
WE'RE ABOUT 43% COMPLETE ON THIS.
WE ARE FINISHING THE BOARDS UNDER SLEDGE THAT CULVER THIRD SLEDGE, UH, WE'RE INSTALLING WATER WASTEWATER AND RECLAIM WATER ALONG SLEDGE HEADING NORTH.
THESE PROJECTS WILL START SHOWING UP ON OUR PRESENTATION ROLAND LANE.
UH, THE SIGNS WERE UP TODAY THAT HE PLANNED TO DO A ROAD CLOSURE TOMORROW AND START TO TURN UP THE STREET, UH, SLAMMER WASTEWATER PHASE ONE THAT IS STARTING NOVEMBER 29TH, BUT THEY'RE JUST INSTALLING EROSION CONTROLS.
WE WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF AT LEAST SEVERAL, UH, ROAD CLOSURES ON THAT PROJECT, BUT WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THOSE HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR THE PRESENTATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CUSTOMER ELLISON.
ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE UPDATES ON OUR PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY.
UM, ONLY THE QUESTION TODAY I HAVE IS ABOUT OLD POST ROAD.
SO I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING YOUR TAIL OFF, TRYING TO GET THAT RIGHT AWAY, DEAL DONE AND EVERYTHING.
UH, SO I HAVE A FEW RESIDENTS TO REACH OUT TO ME FAIRLY FREQUENTLY ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
UH, YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE IT, BUT, UH, ONCE WE GET A CHANCE AND GET TO A POINT WHERE WE KIND OF CAN ESTIMATE, UH, THE NEW COMPLETION TIME, APPROXIMATELY, COULD WE GET THAT UPDATED ON THE WEBSITE? SO THEN, BECAUSE I ALWAYS DIRECT THEM TO THAT AND FEED THEM THAT INFORMATION.
CAUSE I THINK IT'S A VERY HELPFUL WEBSITE, A WEBPAGE WE HAVE.
SO JUST WHENEVER WE GET AN IDEA OF WHEN WE CAN UPDATE THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT AND JUST KIND OF LET US KNOW AND THAT WAY I'LL, I'LL GET WITH THE COUNTY AND VOLVO ORGANIZED SCHEDULE.
[8. (First Reading) Approve an Ordinance amending the City's Approved Budget for Fiscal Year 2021-2022 by appropriating $537,032.00 to provide funding for Change Order Numbers 4 and 6 approved by City Council on 11-1-2021 to Cadence Construction Company, LLC, in the amount of $438,030.00 for the Heroes Memorial Park project and $99,002.00 to construct an 8-inch reclaimed waterline underneath Kohlers Crossing. ~ Perwez A. Moheet, CPA, Director of Finance ]
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION.FIRST READING APPROVE AND ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY'S APPROVED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021, 2022
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BY APPROPRIATING $537,032 TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR CHANGE ORDERS, NUMBERS, UH, FOUR AND SIX APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON 11 1 21, UH, TO CADENCE MS. MCSHANE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, LLC, AND AMOUNT OF $438,030 FOR THE HERO'S MEMORIAL PARK PROJECT, $99,002, UH, TO CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT INCH RECLAIMED WATERLINE UNDERNEATH COLOR'S CROSSING.UH, MR. MOHIT, WE WILL GET A NEW LECTERN SOON MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD ON PROFESSOR HATES CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, UH, FOR YOUR APPROVAL BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 ON NOVEMBER 1ST CITY COUNCIL APPROVED TWO CHANGE ORDERS INCREASING THE CONTRACT AWARD FOR CADENCE CONSTRUCTION BY A TOTAL OF $537,032.
IF A FRUIT BY COUNCIL WILL INCREASE THE TOTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES BY THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THE CHANGE ORDERS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THE FUNDING BREAKDOWN FOR THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT IS AS FOLLOWS $438,030 FROM THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE HERO'S MEMORIAL PARK PROJECT, $99,002 FROM THE WATER YOU TOTALLY FUND FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE EIGHT INCH PIPELINE UNDER KOHLER'S CROSSING FOR THE CITY'S RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM.
WOULD THAT OVERVIEW MAYOR? I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CUSTOMER FLOORS.
UM, LAST WEEK WHO PRESENTED THIS ITEM TO US, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN UP HERE.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME, BUT, UM, THE REASON WHY I ASK IS BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED AS TO WHY HE WAS SO EXCITED AND I KNEW, I THINK THERE WAS, I THINK THERE WAS LIKE, HE WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT WE HAD PUT AWAY A MILLION DOLLARS AND I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, UM, I WAS THROWN OFF TRYING TO PROCESS THE WHOLE SITUATION BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN INCREASE OF ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, WHAT IS COMBINED OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND SO IT KIND OF MAKES ME NERVOUS AT THIS, UM, PRICE OF THE EUROS MEMORIAL PARK CONTINUES TO GROW.
UM, I THINK IT STARTED OFF LIKE 2 MILLION.
AND CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IT IS UP TO NOW? UH, CERTAINLY SO THE HERO'S MEMORIAL PROJECT, THE VERY ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS A 4.5 MILLION WITH A $200,000 CONTINGENCY FOR A TOTAL OF 4.7 MILLION AND THIS, AND THEN TDX WAS GOING TO GIVE US 1.5, BUT 1.5 MILLION, 750,000 IN CASH AND HUNDRED 50,000 IN KIND THE TOTAL BUDGET.
NOW THE COST ESTIMATE FOR HERO'S MEMORIAL IS 9.5 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, 11 DASH ONE DASH 21 COUNCIL MINUTES, IF YOU WILL GO TO, UM, I WAS READING THIS AND I JUST KINDA GOT THROWN OFF, UM, OTHER INFORMATION.
IT SAYS THIS PORTION OF AN EIGHT INCH RECLAIMED WATER LINE WAS PLANNED TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE PLUM CREEK GOLF COURSE, PHASE THREE WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT.
WHY IS THAT IN OTHER INFORMATION? WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW? SO I INCLUDED TWO CHANGE ORDERS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 1ST IN YOUR BACKUP DOCUMENT TO SUPPORT THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO THOSE WERE THE TUBE CONTRACT AMENDMENTS THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ONE WAS FOR HERO'S MEMORIAL AND THE OTHER $99,002 WAS FOR THE RECLAIMED WATER LINE.
SO I PROVIDED THAT IN THE BACKUP.
SO YOU WILL HAVE COMPLETE INFORMATION WHAT MAKES UP THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO HOW HAS THAT RELATED, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THERE'S A CITY MANAGER.
SO THE RECLAIMED WATER LINE IS THE, IT'S THE REUSE WATER FROM OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IT'S BEING SENT BACK THROUGH THE CITY IN OUR NEW RECLAIM UTILITY THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING
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RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WERE DOING WORK IN THE GOLF COURSE.UH, SO AS TO NOT DISRUPT THE GOLF COURSE AGAIN, UH, THAT LINE THAT GOES UP TO KOHLER'S CROSSING, UH, WE'RE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL, UH, PORTION OF THE LION THROUGH HERE'S MEMORIAL PARK NOW AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK LATER AND TEAR UP THE PARK TO RELAY OR TO LAY A NEW LINE IN THE FUTURE, AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD A UTILITY.
SO BASICALLY THIS PROJECT IS BUDGETED AS PART OF A FUTURE REUSE OR RECLAIM UTILITY PROJECT, BUT WE'RE JUST THINKING THAT WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT TO MESS UP THE PARK.
SO THE $99,000 IS ALSO GOING TO GO TO PLUM CREEK GOLF COURSE.
THIS, THIS COMES OUT OF THAT PROJECT AND BASICALLY GOES, GETS ADDED NOW INSTEAD OF OKAY.
IT'S AND IT'S BEING SHIFTED INTO THIS PARTICULAR EXTENSION OF THAT LINE.
THAT PROJECT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF THOUGH.
THAT'S JUST THE NAME, IT'S THE NAME OF THE PROJECT, CORRECT? YES.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT SECOND, MOVE BY COUNSELOR RIZZO.
ALISON'S THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
I'LL JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RECLAIM, RECLAIM WATER LINE.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT IN VARIOUS PROJECTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
JUST TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD THINKING ON THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT AS FAR AS THE REST, UH, I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT REALLY IS A ONE DAY, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MIGHT BALK AT, BUT, UH, THIS IS ORIGINALLY GOING TO COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
THE TERS WE'LL REFUND, THE, THE, THIS PROJECT IN WHICH IS A LARGE REASON WHY I'M SO SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, THIS IS A TERM THAT IS FUNCTIONING VERY WELL AND, UH, AND, UM, REALLY DOING WELL FOR ITSELF.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS, UH, I'VE, I'VE ANSWERED QUESTIONS.
WE'VE PROBABLY FILLED SOME AS WELL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHY, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS MONEY Y'ALL COULD, YOU KNOW, DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS, BUILD VETERANS HOUSING AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE THIS IS THERESE FUNDS AND WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THE BULL BY THE HORNS.
IF YOU WILL, TO REALLY TELL WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO IN THIS PROJECT AS FAR AS IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA.
AND WE DECIDED TO PUT IT IN QUALITY OF LIFE INITIATIVES AND IN THESE TWO PARKS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.
AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE'VE, WE'VE STRUCTURED THIS AND THE RE REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH THE TERRORS TOWARDS THE GENERAL FUND, UM, REALLY MAKES IT ALL PLAUSIBLE.
SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS BEING FINALLY PASSED, SEEING, SEEING NONE AND IS FINALLY PASSED.
[9. Approve a Resolution of the City of Kyle, Texas Approving and Authorizing a Financing Agreement for the Kyle Plum Creek North Public Improvement District. ~ Casey Sclar, P3Works, LLC, City's PID Administrator]
UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE APPROVAL RESOLUTION OFGOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M WITH BICKERSTAFF HEATH DELGADO ACOSTA, AND WE SERVE AS THE CITY'S BOND COUNCIL.
AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THIS ITEM NUMBER NINE.
UM, I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT VERY HIGH LEVEL, BUT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO GET INTO THAT.
UM, THE ITEM IS NOTED AS FOR THE APPROVAL OF A PUBLIC FINANCE AGREEMENT, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PLUM CREEK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
AND JUST TO KIND OF SET THE CONTEXT, UH, AS YOU RECALL, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS EXISTS TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AS THE NAME SUGGESTS, UM, THIS, I WISH IT WAS FLASHIER THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, THIS, UM, AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING IS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER LENORE HOMES.
AND IT JUST BASICALLY IS THE MECHANICS OF HOW THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO IDENTIFY IMPROVEMENTS TO CONSTRUCT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM, FINANCED THROUGH THE PYD MECHANISM, UM, HOW THE PITT ASSESSMENTS OR THE PIT BONDS WILL BE USED PAY THOSE.
UM, IT'S JUST ESSENTIALLY A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASEY MOTIONS? OKAY.
LET'S MOVE BY CUSTOMER RIZZO, SECONDED BY COUNSELOR ELLISON.
IS THERE THAT WE APPROVED IN ITEM NUMBER NINE? IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER A IT'S A RESOLUTION, NOT AN ORDINANCE.
SO IT'S NOT FOR FIRST READING.
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IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.[10.
(First Reading) Consider and Possible Action on an Ordinance of the City of Kyle Making a Finding of Special Benefit to the Property in the Plum Creek North Public Improvement District; Providing for the Method of Assessment of Special Assessments Against Property in the District; Approving Assessment Rolls for the District; Levying Assessments Against Property Within the District; Providing for Payment of the Assessments; Providing for Penalties and Interest on Delinquent Assessments; Establishing a Lien on Property within the District; Approving a Service And Assessment Plan; Approving Landowner Agreements; Providing for Related Matters In Accordance with Chapter 372, Texas Local Government Code; Providing an Effective Date; and Providing for Severability. ~ Casey Sclar, P3Works, LLC, City's PID Administrator
- Public Hearing
HI, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL KC SCHOLAR, AND WITH P THREE WORKS THE CITY'S PIT ADMINISTRATOR.
UH, SO THE DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WE HAVE HERE IS, UH, KIND OF THE SECOND OF FOUR STEPS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE PLUM CREEK NORTH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UH, SO A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK, UM, YOU APPROVED BASICALLY THE PRELIMINARY VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, THIS DOCUMENT IS IDENTICAL TO THAT VERSION.
UM, AND IF THERE IS UNANIMOUS APPROVAL TODAY, UH, THIS WILL LEVY THE ASSESSMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN BOTH IMPROVEMENT AREA, NUMBER ONE, AND THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AREA.
UM, SO SUPER HIGH LEVEL NUMBERS, THERE'S ABOUT $6.3 MILLION BEING ASSESSED ON IMPROVEMENT AREA.
NUMBER ONE, UH, WHICH CONTAINS 403 LOTS, UH, AND THEN ANOTHER 2.7 MILLION, UH, BEING LEVIED ON THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE SECOND OF FOUR STEPS AS I MENTIONED.
SO IF APPROVED, UM, WE WILL THEN GET STARTED ON THE OFFICIAL BOND DOCUMENTS, UH, IN THE CURRENT, UH, CALENDAR AND SCHEDULE, UH, WOULD PUT US BACK HERE IN JANUARY ON THE JANUARY 4TH MEETING TO AUTHORIZE THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE PRELIMINARY OFFERING DOCUMENT.
AND IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO SCHEDULE, UH, OFFICIALLY PRICED BONDS AND ISSUE THOSE ON THE JANUARY 18TH, UH, WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE FROM THE DEVELOPER AND DEVELOPERS COUNCIL, WHO JUST WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE TIMELINE.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH METCALF WOLF, STUART WILLIAMS REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, I, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT ONE TO THANK THE CITY AND THE CITY'S CONSULTANT TEAM FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, THIS IS A BIG DEAL WITH A LOT OF MOVING PARTS GOING ON.
UM, PAIGE IS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, UM, GREG WITH YOUR BOND COUNCIL.
UM,
UM, AND TONIGHT WE ARE ASKING FOR, UM, FIRST AND FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS DOCUMENT, UM, ON THE LEVY, THE ASSESSMENTS, UM, SO THAT THE PROCESS CAN GET STARTED IN EARNEST TO, AND, UM, WE CAN KEEP THIS MOVING EFFICIENTLY.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE DEVELOPER.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO, UM, REACH THIS POINT.
THIS ITEM DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING MAT.
NOW SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NOW IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COMES FOR A FLOOR SCALE? THANK YOU.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO TO POSE THIS TO.
UM, IN THE EVENT, THIS DOES NOT PASS WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, IF THIS DOES NOT PASS AT ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNCIL VOTES THIS DOWN.
UM, THERE IS NO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.
THERE IS NO MONEY THAT GETS THERE'S NO ASSESSMENT LEVIED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AT THAT POINT, UM, THE OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE IN THE FINANCE AGREEMENT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED, UM, ARE NO LONGER IN EFFECT THE DEVELOPERS NO LONGER OBLIGATED TO, UM, BUILD THE IMPROVEMENTS ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS.
UM, IN ADDITION, UM, PART OF THE PIT INCLUDES THE PAYMENT OF A $2 MILLION PAYMENT TO THE CITY, UM, PURSUANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, THAT WOULD GO AWAY AND THAT'S, I DON'T THINK SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING ANY OF US WANT.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE A PRETTY GRIEVOUS BLOW, BUT, UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT AND THE FINANCING AGREEMENT, WHICH YOU JUST APPROVED, KIND OF LAYS OUT EVERYTHING, THE PROTECTIONS FOR THE CITY, UM, THE PROCESS BY WHICH THAT MAKES SURE THAT THIS FINANCING IS NOT ONLY BENEFICIAL TO ALL THE PARTIES, BUT IS SOMETHING THAT IS APPROVED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
THAT IS VETTED BY NOT ONE, NOT TWO, BUT SEVERAL ATTORNEYS THAT WERE WORKING ON THE BEHALF OF THE CITY.
UM, SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROTECTION FOR THE CITY IN THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE, THESE ASSESSMENTS ARE PUT ON THE HOMEOWNERS.
UM, AND WHERE DO YOU GUYS GET YOUR ASSESSMENTS FROM? WHERE DO YOU OBTAIN THAT INFORMATION? UM, CASEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT MORE PARTICULARLY WHEN WE BREAK DOWN THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, THE ENTIRE AREA IS OWNED JUST BY THE DEVELOPER.
AND SO WE LOVE THE ASSESSMENTS ON THE PROPERTY AND WE KNOW WHICH PARCEL, WHICH LOT IS WITHIN
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THE DISTRICT.AND SO, UM, P THREE GOES THROUGH ALL THE NUMBERS AND THEY ALLOCATE THE SPECIFIC ASSESSMENT TO EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT, BASED ON A, UM, A FAIR ALLOCATION, WHICH IS A STATE LAW REQUIREMENT.
UM, IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE HOMEOWNERS, HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY GET, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY? UM, THERE ARE NUMEROUS NOTICE PROVISIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED BOTH IN THESE DOCUMENTS, AS WELL AS IN STATE LAW, WHICH WAS RECENTLY PASSED IN 2021, UM, A POTENTIAL HOME BUYER WHO IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE A HOME IN A PID RECEIVES NOTICE.
UM, NOT JUST AT THE TIME THEY SIGNED THE CONTRACT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE HOME, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO SIGN ONE AGAIN WHEN THE HOME CLOSES AND IT DESCRIBES THAT YES, YOU ARE IN A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY AN ASSESSMENT.
AND ACCORDING TO NEW STATE LAW, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
UM, THAT DOCUMENT HAS TO BE SIGNED AND NOTARIZED.
UM, AND SO THE HOME BUYER HAS A FULL, CLEAR VIEW OF NOT JUST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE IN A PID, BUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS TO THEM AND WHAT THEIR OBLIGATIONS ARE GOING TO BE.
UM, THE CITY OF KYLE HAS A PID POLICY THAT PROVIDES FOR CERTAIN REGULATIONS AND RULES THAT, UM, HAVE TO BE IN PLACE FOR A PID WITHIN THE CITY.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS A 20 YEAR BOND TERM, WHICH MEANS THAT THE LIFECYCLE OF A CAN, THE PERSON WHO PAYS ASSESSMENT CAN PAY THAT IS NOT OBLIGATE TO PAY FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
THAT'S THE FINITE LIFE, WHICH IS ATYPICAL FROM SOME AREAS WE SEE 30, 35, EVEN UP TO 40.
AND SO IN THE CITY OF KYLE, IF YOU LIVE IN A PIT, YOU ARE PAYING ASSESSMENTS LESS THAN SOMEONE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CITY OF HUTTOE GEORGETOWN CITY OF AUSTIN, YOU, MY FINE, SIR, HAVE JUST SCHOOLED ME.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF YOU GAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU WERE LIKE, THAT WAS EXCELLENT SERIOUSLY.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE ARE WATCHING, I HOPE YOU LEARNED SOMETHING BECAUSE I DID.
AND I'M ITS MOST APPRECIATIVE IT'S IT'S, IT'S MY PLEASURE COUNTS.
REMEMBER THIS IS, THIS IS LITERALLY ALL I DO ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.
I LOVE BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT CAUSE NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO LISTEN TO.
YOU KNOW, BETTER PLACE TO EXPLAIN IT THAN HERE BECAUSE I'LL EAT.
PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS VIDEO AND WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, YOU TAKE IT RIGHT FROM ME.
I WAS LIKE, WHERE'S THIS GUY, MAN, THE ENTIRE TIME.
BUT UH, NO, I THINK THAT WAS GREAT.
YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT BOTH WITH THE STATE LAW, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO JUST CHANGE, BUT ALSO, UH, AND I KNOW, UH, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT WHEN WE CREATED THAT PID POLICY, DO YOU REMEMBER RECALL WHAT YEAR THAT WAS? YEAH, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
AND I REMEMBER I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL AT THAT TIME IN 2016, I WAS ON Z, BUT I WOULD COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I SAW THE STRAIN OF WHAT IT WAS BEFORE WE HAD THIS CITY PID POLICY.
AND THEN ONCE WE FINALLY GOT THAT ON BOARD, STARTED WORKING WITH T3 WORKS AND, AND OTHER THINGS, AND THE TEAM THAT HAS BEEN CREATED IT IS NOW A MORE CONFIDENT AND JUST BETTER PROCESS.
LIKE YOU SAID, ALL THE PROTECTIONS FOR THE CITY.
SO WE, WE, THERE WAS A TIME BEFORE WHERE HE, I WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE, UH, HAD MY RESERVATIONS ON, ON, ON THESE PIDS, BUT, UH, ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE OVER THESE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS REALLY, UH, ALLEVIATED A LOT OF THAT STRESS.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION AS GOTTESMAN FLORES, KIDS KILL SAID, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S RECORDED AND RESIDENTS CAN HEAR IT.
UH, YOU'RE A BEAUTIFUL EXPLANATION.
GET MY PHONE NUMBER YOU WANT TO CALL ME AND TALK ABOUT PLEASE, PLEASE CALL.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR SCOTT SELLERS, IT'S GOT TO AFTER 20 YEARS, UM, CAN THEY EXTEND THE PID? CAN THAT THE EXTENDED NO, SIR.
THIS IS A ONE-TIME 20 YEAR PID.
UH, IT, IT BASICALLY, UH, GOES ALONG WITH THE BONDS THAT ARE ISSUED THE DEBT DEBT TISSUES.
SO ONCE THE DEBT IS DIFFUSED, IT CANNOT BE REESTABLISHED OR REPURPOSED AND THEY'RE THE HOMEOWNERS ARE ABLE TO PAY THAT OFF EARLY, RIGHT.
AND WITHOUT PENALTY PAY WITHOUT PAYING FOR THE DAY THEY WALK IN.
I THINK OUR POLICY EVEN REQUIRES PIDS TO BE, UM, USED ON, UH, NOTICED ON THE MLS AS WELL.
SO FOR ME IT WAS, IT WAS NEVER THE FIRST BUYER.
IT WAS ALWAYS THE SECOND THING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT AND REQUIRING THAT, THAT IF IT'S, WHEN A HOME IS ADVERTISED IN JOHN MP3 WORKS HELPED WITH THAT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS HELPFUL BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY A HOME SECONDHAND AND NOT KNOW THE SITUATION, WHETHER THIS, THIS HOME HAS AN ASSESSMENT OR HOW LONG, BUT THOSE WERE REQUIRED TO BE NOTICED.
THERE'S A SIGN REQUIRED AT THE ENTRANCES TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S IN THE MLS AND IT'S A SPECIAL SHEET ACKNOWLEDGEMENT SHEET IN THE CLOSING DOCUMENTS.
IT'S THE TITLE OF OUR PIT POLICIES LESSONS LEARNED FROM BUTTON CREEK.
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I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.SECOND ABOUT CUSTOMER RIZZO THAT WE PROVED AGENDA ITEM.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS BEING FINALLY PASSED? UH, ALL RIGHT.
[11. Kyle Area Senior Zone Update and Discussion Regarding Selection of Construction Manager/Owner’s Representative. ~ J. Scott Sellers, City Manager]
UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.COLOR IS SENIOR ZONE UPDATE AND DISCUSSION REGARDING SELECTION OF CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.
OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE MR. SELLERS.
COUNCIL'S GOT, SO THIS FOR THE RECORD CITY MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE SEVERAL LUSTROUS MEMBERS OF OUR COLOR IS SENIOR ZONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND SO I THANK THEM FOR JOINING US.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A PRESENTATION PER SE.
JUST AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.
SO THE COUNCIL MIGHT RECALL IN THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT YOU, UH, YOU HAD AUTHORIZED $200,000 FOR THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS FOR A SENIOR CENTER.
UH, THAT WAS TO BE MATCHED THREE WAYS.
A CITY BEING 20 200,000, UH, HAYES COUNTY BEING 200,000 AND THEN THE SENIOR CITIZENS, UH, THE CAZ GROUP COMING UP WITH THE REMAINING 200,000, UH, WE LOOKED AT, UH, IN ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE LOOKED AT EVEN INCLUDING MORE IN THE DESIGN THAT WOULD TAKE THE DESIGN COSTS BEYOND THAT 600,000.
AND THERE WAS A TALK OF A POOL, UH, IN SOME OTHER LARGER AUDITORIUM AREAS.
UH, BUT THOSE ADDITIONAL FEATURES DROVE UP THAT DESIGN COST, WELL BEYOND THE 600,000 THAT WE HAD ALL AGREED TO IN THE BUDGET.
AND SO WE CHALLENGED THE SENIORS TO SAY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THESE ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN THE BUDGET, THEN YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING THE DESIGN COSTS, UH, THE FEES FOR THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
SO AT THIS POINT, THE SENIORS HAVE RAISED SOME MONEY, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THEIR END AS WELL.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLOSING IN ON THEIR PORTION OF $200,000.
WE RECEIVED A COMMITMENT FROM HAYES COUNTY FOR THEIR 200,000.
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE OURS BUDGETED.
SO THEY DO HAVE A PROPOSAL, UH, FROM ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS FOR A DESIGN DOCUMENT PREPARATION, UH, THAT WOULD TAKE THROUGH THE, UH, THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STAGE UP TO THE, THE CONTRACT STAGE.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD END, UH, CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSAL.
UH, HOWEVER, WE HAVE LEARNED SOME THINGS IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR OWN FACILITIES, UH, ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION OR THE CA PORTION OF THESE DOCUMENTS.
AND, UH, AS WE HAVE LOOKED OR WORKED ON OUR PARKS, AS WELL AS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, WE HAVE FOUND IT, UH, EXPEDIENT TO BRING IN WHAT WE CALL AN OWNER'S REP.
AND SO WE, UH, HIRED HECM AND THEY HAD BEEN RUNNING OUR PROJECTS VERY WELL.
THE, UH, THE SENIOR CENTER WOULD BE ON CITY LAND AT LINEBERGER LAKE, UH, AND IT WOULD BE A CITY FACILITY AS WELL.
AND SO, UH, IN THE ANTICIPATION OF CONSTRUCTING, DESIGNING AND CONSTRUCTING ANOTHER, UH, CITY FACILITY, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A PAUSE BEFORE WE ENGAGED A DESIGNER TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, PERHAPS THE EXPEDIENCY OF HAVING AN OWNER'S REP OVERSEE THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
IT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE DESIGN FROM BASICALLY DAY ONE IN THIS CASE, UH, WAS, WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THE DESIGN AND THE DESIGN OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.
AND THEN FOLLOW THAT THROUGH, UH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION BID THAT CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THE ARCHITECT WOULDN'T HAVE A ROLE IN CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION OR OVERSIGHT, UH, AS WELL AT THAT TIME, BUT THAT WILL COME LATER ONCE WE GET INTO THAT CONTRACTING PHASE.
SO TO OVERSEE THAT PROCESS, THAT ENTIRE PROCESS, UH, I THOUGHT THAT WE COULD, UH, HAVE THE CONVERSATION OF, UH, BRINGING A GROUP THAT WOULD BE AN OWNER'S REP.
I CALLED RYAN ROSBOROUGH FROM AGC, M A AGAIN, WHO'S OUR OWNERS REP ON OTHER PROJECTS AND ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD JUST STAND AND SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER'S REP PROCESS AND HOW THAT'S WORKED ON OUR OTHER PROJECTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BID OUT THE AGCS OR THE OWNER'S REP, UH, CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD.
IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE AN OWNER'S REP YOU WON'T, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO, IF YOU WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, BUT THERE'S PROS AND CONS OF EITHER DIRECTION.
SO WITH THAT, UH, RYAN, IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE OWNER'S REP PROCESS AND HOW THAT'S WORKED FOR OUR CURRENT FACILITIES, THANK YOU, SCOTT, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
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TO KIND OF RUN YOU THROUGH OUR ROLE AS AN OWNER'S REP.I'M GOING TO DUMB THIS DOWN TO A LEVEL THAT I UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I PROCESS THINGS IS ON A VERY, UH, PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOR DUMMIES TYPE LEVEL WHEN SOMEBODY TAUGHT ME.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT MEDICINE, RIGHT, YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE A SORE THROAT, YOU DON'T GO TO A PODIATRIST, RIGHT? A PODIATRIST AND ENT, THEY'RE BOTH DOCTORS, BUT THEY HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT OWNER'S REPRESENTATION, WHICH IS US, YOU LOOK AT A CONTRACTOR AND YOU LOOK AT AN ARCHITECT, THEY'RE ALL WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY ALL HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES AND TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES.
SO WE'RE ALL WORKING IN THE SAME POOL, BUT WE ANSWER TO DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT AUTHORITIES, BASICALLY.
SO OUR ROLE AS AN OWNER'S REP, UH, IF YOU THINK ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT, DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A ROAD, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, WHAT IT IS, EVERY PROJECT YOU DEAL WITH WILL HAVE THREE THINGS IN COMMON.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT A THREE LEGGED STOOL, EVERY PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT AND AN ENGINEER, EVERY PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND EVERY PROJECT HAS TO HAVE AN OWNER THAT'S REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF PROJECT IT IS.
AN OWNER'S REP IS NOT A FOURTH STOOL ON THE LEG.
WE ARE ON THE THIRD LEG WITH THE OWNER.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT LEON IS DOING WITH ALL THESE PROJECTS, UH, MANAGING THEM ON YOUR BEHALF.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DO ON YOUR BEHALF.
WE'RE JUST HIRED GUNS TO HELP CARRY THAT OUT BECAUSE LORD KNOWS HE'S PROBABLY GOT HIS PLATE FULL AND THERE COMES A POINT WHERE YOU JUST CAN'T DO ANY MORE AS A CITY.
AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO COME IN AND BRING YOU THAT EXPERTISE TO HELP REPRESENT YOU AND YOUR INTERESTS AND THE STAKEHOLDER'S INTEREST ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS FROM CRADLE TO GRAVE.
SO THAT'S THE TWO MINUTE ELEVATOR SPEECH.
I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES IT A LITTLE BIT, AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING OUR ROLE OR A PM'S ROLE, NOT OUR ROLE, AN OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE ROLE IN GENERAL.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM US THEN? SO TONIGHT THE QUESTION TO COUNCIL IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ENGAGE AN OWNER'S REP FROM, UH, WHETHER WE WOULD ENGAGE HCM OR OPEN IT UP FOR BID, UH, FOR AN OWNER'S REP SERVICE, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GO, OR BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US, UH, UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, CORRECT? WE WOULD, WE WOULD COME BACK.
SCOTT SAID WE COULD EITHER ENGAGE, UH, WITH AGC M OR GO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
AND I'M WONDERING JUST TO MAKE SURE BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO US SO WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO ENGAGE WITH AGCS OR DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PR PROCUREMENT PROCESS? WELL, FOR AN ARCHITECT, THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE.
SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH AN RF QUEUE, YOUR REVIEW QUALIFICATIONS, IF YOU HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH ARCHITECTURE FIRM, UM, BASED ON PRIOR ENGAGEMENT, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH QUALIFICATION, SO YOU COULD ENGAGE THEM ON THAT BASIS.
UM, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER IS ALSO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE.
AND SO, UM, THAT ONE, AGAIN IS AN RFQ PROCESS.
OR IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE ENTITY THAT YOU WANT TO CONTRACT WITH, AND YOU CAN ENGAGE THAT PERSON OR THAT.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO AN RFQ IF WE CHOOSE TO, IF WE CHOOSE, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE COMPANY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ENGAGE.
SO, SO YES, WHAT I HEARD IN THE LONG WAY YES.
TO LAWYER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, EITHER OR SO EITHER, OR, OR, AND THEN AGAIN, THE THIRD OPTION IS THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED OPTION JUST BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS, WHICH WOULD BE JUST TO HIRE THE ARCHITECT.
BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE, I WOULD SAY WE WOULD BID OUT THAT SERVICE OUT.
UH, IF WE DO BRING IN AN OWNER'S REP, UH, I'D HAVE THE OWNER'S REP LOOK OVER THE DESIGN FROM THE CURRENT ARCHITECT, THAT'S PROPOSED THE DESIGN FOR THE SENIOR CENTER, MAKE SURE THAT THAT EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD AND WE WERE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ARCHITECTURE CUSTOMER ELLISON.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU ALWAYS GIVING US OPTIONS.
UH, AND CERTAINLY I THINK THESE ARE CERTAINLY VIABLE ONES.
I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED GREAT DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THIS PROJECT COME TO FRUITION.
UM, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, SO WE KIND OF EARMARKED ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN THE THREE ENTITIES, $600,000, CORRECT.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T REALLY KNOW PROBABLY WHAT THE DESIGN COSTS ARE GOING TO BE UNTIL WE HAVE AN OVERALL ESTIMATE BECAUSE THERE'S THE INDUSTRY PERCENTAGE, UH, THAT THEY GO BY.
SO, UH, JUST IN THE SAKE OF KEEPING THIS PROJECT MOVING IN A VERY PRODUCTIVE AND, UH, WAY, UM, I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE ON
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THAT.AND IF, IF WE NEED TO DO MORE, WHAT, WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT TO STALL, I KNOW COUNCIL FEELS PROBABLY THIS WAY AS WELL.
WE HAVE EVERYBODY ENGAGED AND INTERESTED.
WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED THE COUNTY IN DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WHAT, WHAT REALLY KEEPS THIS BALL MOVING AND IS THAT $600,000 GOING TO BE IN, UM, GREAT.
THE OWNER'S REP WOULD HELP KEEP IT MOVING PROBABLY BETTER THAN WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, IT'S JERRY HENDRICKSON, MYSELF THAT ARE KEEPING IT MOVING, UH, ON OUR END.
UH, RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY THE SLOW DOWN IS, IS, UH, KAZ FINDING THAT REMAINING FUNDING AMOUNT SO THAT WE GET TO THE 600, BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET A PROJECT THAT WE DON'T HAVE FULLY FUNDED.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING ON THE FINAL FUNDING LIFT, UH, IF WE, UH, MOVE SO THAT THE AGREEMENT WITH, WITH STEPHEN L. BUTLER.
SO THAT'S THE ARCHITECTS SLB ARCHITECT.
UH, THE, THE TYPICAL ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACT IS A PERCENTAGE AND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO US, BUT WE SAT DOWN WITH, WITH MR. BUTLER, WE NEGOTIATED, WE TOLD HIM THAT WE HAVE A SET CAP.
UH, SO HE DID REVISE HIS, HIS PROPOSAL TO US.
AND HE KEPT HIS SERVICES AT 600,000.
UH, BUT THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE CA PORTION OF IT.
SO IT BROUGHT US THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION DOCS, BUT IT ENDED THERE THE, THE ADDITIONAL CA PORTION, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS SOMEONE FROM HIS FIRM IS ONSITE TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING CONSTRUCTED BASED ON THE PLANS, UH, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT AN OWNER'S REP WOULD, WOULD BE DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT HE PROPOSED IT, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT COMES LATER, UH, BASED ON OUR ABILITY TO THEN FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
UM, I GUESS I'LL HOLD OFF IN CASE COUNSEL AS THANK YOU.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE HOW, WHAT IS THE COST FOR AN OWNER'S REP? UH, WELL, WE HAVE SPENT, UH, ON OUR SEVERAL PROJECTS WITH THE OWNER'S REP.
I THINK WE, IT WAS A 3% OF THE TOTAL WENT TO MT FOR, FOR EACH PROJECT AND THAT, WHERE IS THAT GOING TO COME FROM? UH, SO IF WE DID ENGAGE AN OWNER'S REP, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, OF 600,000 WE'D, WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY JUST COME UP WITH A GENERAL FUND FOR IT, ADDITIONAL EXPENSE.
SO CUSTOMER KILGALLEN LEAD INTO MY QUESTION.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE'RE GUESSING AT WHAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE, HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE FOR OUR OWNERS? WE STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
ARE WE GUESSTIMATING? WHAT ARE WE DOING? RIGHT.
CAN I TRY TO ANSWER THAT? YES.
IF TYPICALLY, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS DESIGN IS 600,000, THAT'S PROBABLY 10%, WHICH IS THE, WHAT YOU WERE USING IN THE BACK REGARDING OTHER PROJECTS, WHICH MAKES IT A $6 MILLION PROJECT, WHICH MEANS THE OWNER'S REP WOULD BE 180,000.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT IN, IN THIS CASE? SO I'M JUST GUESSING I'M THROWING A NUMBER, CAUSE I ACTUALLY WANT TO GET TO THE ANSWER AND THEY JUST ASK AS WELL.
BASED ON THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER LARRY, DO YOU KNOW THE TOTAL 43,000 SQUARE FEET? SO $250 A FOOT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY TO $300 A FOOT, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE COST OF THE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE.
HE KEPT HIS ACCOUNTANT AT 600,000 JUST TO GET THROUGH THE CD.
SO, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION IS ANOTHER BIG PORTION OF THAT ARCHITECTURAL FEE.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST BEEN CUT OUT SO FAR.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT, THAT COSTS IS GOING TO BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND REASON IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR AREA SENIORS, OUR CAZ GROUP.
I LOVE TO SEE THEM GET INTO A BUILDING THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO EXPAND WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP TODAY.
WE, UM, WE DO A YEARLY THANKSGIVING LUNCHEON FOR THEM AND TO SEE PEOPLE HAVING TO BE TURNED AWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THAT BUILDING REALLY BREAKS MY HEART.
AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT LUNCHEON ONCE A YEAR, LUNCHEON EXPANDED.
AND WE CAN'T DO THAT IN THE CURRENT FACILITY.
SO MOVING THIS FLOORED, I THINK THAT OUR BEST INTEREST IS TO ENGAGE AN ODOR FOR AND, AND MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND LET'S GET THIS BUILDING BUILT.
I WANT THEM TO SEE IT IN REAL TIME.
WE'RE NONE OF US ARE GETTING ANY YOUNGER AS A FELLOW SENIOR
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AS WELL.LET ME SEE IF I CAN ADD A LITTLE MORE CLARITY TO THE CONVERSATION.
SO JUST SOME QUICK MATH IT'S SOMEWHERE 12 TO 13 MILLION, YOU KNOW, IN TODAY'S PRICES FOR A 43,000 SQUARE FOOT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO US COUNCIL.
HASN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE PLANS YET.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING AS WELL.
THE, THE FUNDING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE WOULD BE HOPEFULLY THROUGH SOME SORT OF CDBG ALLOTMENT, RIGHT? SO BECOMING AN ENTITLEMENT CITY WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, RECEIVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CDBG FUNDS OF WHICH A SENIOR CENTER IS INELIGIBLE EXPENSE FOR CDBG, WHICH IS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
AND THEN YOU CAN BOND OFF OF, UH, FUTURE ALLOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, EXPECTED ALLOCATIONS WITH CDBG.
SO IT'S A VERY CREATIVE WAY TO COME UP WITH THAT AMOUNT, BUT I THINK WE COULD DO IT PLUS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTIES AS, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING AND, YOU KNOW, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
SO THEY COULD ROUTE SOME OF THEIR FUNDS.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS BEING A REGIONAL SENIOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, AT 43,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S LARGE.
AND IT REALLY, THAT HAYES COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A DEDICATED SENIOR CENTER ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY.
SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ASK THEM TO PARTNER WITH US ON AND TRY TO BRING SENIORS FROM, FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY, UH, WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM FULL PARTICIPANTS.
UM, THIS 12 TO 13 MILLION, IS THAT GOING TO INCLUDE THE SWIMMING POOL? IS THAT LIKE EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW YEAH.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE POOL, SO YEAH, THAT WOULD ADD TO THE COST OF THE DESIGN.
AND THEN IT WOULD ADD UP THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
NOW WITH THAT SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH CAZ.
THERE ARE SOME ENTITIES, LOCAL ENTITIES THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING A POOL HERE IN KYLE'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, SOME RE REHABILITATION POOL OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT IT FOR AWHILE.
SO WE THINK THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN ENTITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER WITH CALVES ON A POOL, BUT THEY ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, SETON HOSPITAL AND OTHER ENTITIES ST.
DAVID'S FOUNDATION TO SEE HOW THEY MIGHT PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
SO I GUESS MY, I WOULDN'T DONE YET.
UM, YEAH, BUT DEFINITELY, UM, I KNOW THE PRICE WAS GOING TO BE MORE THAN $6 MILLION BECAUSE I'VE SEEN WHAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER HERE IN THE CITY ALREADY.
SO ON, YOU WERE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 12, 14, MAYBE 15, UH, WITH THE SIZE OF A BUILDING THIS SIZE, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE FLOOR PLANS.
UM, I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PERSONS.
SHE, LARRY SHOWED THE FLOOR PLANS TOO.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, THAT'S THAT ABILITY IS HUGE, YOU KNOW, BUT WOULD THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL COMING OUT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PULL FROM THAT AS A CITY OR EVEN A COUNTY.
SO THAT MAYBE GIVES US A LITTLE HOPE OF GETTING SOME FUNDING THERE AS WELL.
SO I THINK MOVING FORWARD A LOT OF PIECES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT IS GETTING 30% DD READY.
SO IF WE'RE NOT 30% DD READY, MOST HISTORY HAS SHOWN US THAT YOU HAVE TO BE 30% DD READY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO EVEN CONSIDER YOUR PROJECT.
SO SOMETHING WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT NUMBER YET, BUT I'M ESTIMATING SOMEWHERE IN THE THREE, $400,000 A YEAR RANGE FOR CDBG, JUST BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING ELSEWHERE.
UH, WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE GET OUR OFFICIAL NUMBERS, UH, AS FAR AS THE POOL IS CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THE POOL AND THE COST OF ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FRANKLY, IS, IS PROBABLY BEYOND WHAT CAZ CAN DO FROM AN ANNUAL LIFT OR WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO FROM THE CITY'S BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE.
SO I THINK THE CURRENT FACILITY WITHOUT THE POOL IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO.
AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE LAKE THAT'S THAT'S SWIMMABLE, IS THAT, ARE WE WANTING TO CUT THE POOL OUT AT THE DESIGN PHASE OR ARE WE WANTING TO DESIGN IT AND MAKE THAT DECISION ONCE WE GET BETTER NUMBERS? BECAUSE IF WE'RE PURSUING GRANT DOLLARS, YOU, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE THE PRICE WILL BE FROM A ARCHITECT STANDPOINT.
DO WE KNOW WHERE WE'D GET FUNDING FOR MAINTENANCE AND, UM, I'D BE OUR GENERAL FUND GENERAL FUND, AND WE DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT COSTS WOULD BE JUST LIKE EVERYDAY, UM, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR.
LET'S, LET'S TURN THIS AROUND.
I DON'T WANT TO BE SAD ABOUT THIS.
I'M SUPER EXCITED WHERE THERE'S A WILL.
THERE'S A WAY GUYS, LET'S, LET'S FIGURE IT OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO, WE COULD DO IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY I'M BEING SERIOUS.
LIKE, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO PUT IN SOME REAL HARD THOUGHT INTO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS MONEY AND WE JUST MAKE IT A GOAL TO GET IT.
OR DO WE WANT TO START CUTTING, CUTTING AWAY AT THIS? IS THIS THE TIME TO MAKE THE HARD DECISION AS FAR AS CUTTING OUT ELEMENTS? I THINK, YOU KNOW,
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REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DECIDE, WHAT COUNCIL WOULD DECIDE IS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO BRING IN AN OWNER'S REP? AND IF SO, UH, THEN WOULD YOU HAVE THE OWNER'S REP BRING BACK, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT, BRING BACK THE PLANS.THEN WE HAVE A WORK SESSION TO GO OVER THOSE PLANS AND THE ESTIMATED COST OF WELL, SO, SO THE ANSWER ON THE ARCHITECT IS TYPICALLY THE WAY WE'VE SELECTED ARCHITECTS IS THROUGH A PRETTY THOROUGH VETTING PROCESS.
SO MY CHALLENGE IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DESIGN THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.
IT'S JUST THAT, I'M NOT SURE WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A $10 MILLION PLUS INVESTMENT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PURSUING.
AGCS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN, IN, IN GETTING US TO THAT POINT OF GETTING THE MOST OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, OUT OF A PROJECT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT RYAN'S OPINION MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ON WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR ARCHITECT WOULD BE ON THIS, WHETHER YOU THINK WE WANT TO KEEP GOING WITH THE PLANS OR WHETHER IN YOUR MIND YOU WOULD WANT TO GO WITH A MORE COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLANS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT'S ON PAPER YET.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THE ARCHITECT IS IN THE PROCESS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR CONTRACT, OBVIOUSLY.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE'D WANT TO LOOK AT JUST TO KIND OF GET OUR ARMS AROUND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS.
AND TO YOUR POINT, WE DON'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN PROCESS PROGRESS.
SO IF THEY'RE ALREADY AT A CERTAIN POINT, PASS NO RETURN, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THAT.
UH, IF THE ARCHITECT'S DONE A GOOD JOB, THERE'S NO REASON TO CHANGE HORSES, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD CONSIDER, UM, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO BRING ON AN OWNER'S REP, WHETHER IT'S US OR ANYBODY, UM, YOU, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COMMIT FOR THE ENTIRE PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, WE LIKE TO ALWAYS PRESENT AS AN OPTION IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT, BUT YOU DO KNOW IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS.
SO WHILE YOU MAY LOOK AT 3%, SAY AS A TARGET FOR OWNER'S REP THROUGH A WHOLE PROJECT, IF YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT DESIGN, IT'S MAYBE HALF A PERCENT OR THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENT.
SO IT'S REALLY AS A, AS A DROP IN THE BUCKET, UM, FOR THE FRONT END DOCUMENTS, THE COST FOR AN OWNER'S REP STARTS TO PILE UP WHEN YOU GET INTO CONSTRUCTION, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION ON SITE EVERY DAY, THAT'S WHERE THE COST COMES IN.
SO, UM, SO JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONTO THAT.
SO IT'S NOT 3%, SO DON'T GET THAT NUMBER STUCK IN YOUR HEAD.
IT WOULD BE MUCH LESS IF YOU'RE JUST TALKING THE DESIGN, THEN ONCE YOU FIND OUT THE PROJECT IS FEASIBLE AND IT'S BUDGETED AND THE BUDGET'S BEEN APPROVED AND THE DESIGNS HAVE BEEN APPROVED, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S GOING TO COST, THEN YOU, THEN YOU CAN NEGOTIATE AN OWNER'S REP CONTRACT FOR THE REST OF IT.
BUT, UH, I WOULD SAY JUST FOR THE SAKE OF WHERE YOU ARE NOW, I'D WORRY ABOUT THAT FRONT END FIRST.
I WOULDN'T PAY ANYBODY FOR THE BACK END UNTIL THAT'S ALL FIGURED OUT, BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE ARCHITECT, AS IT RELATES TO THE ARCHITECT, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO GET MY ARMS AROUND THE CONTRACT, HONESTLY, AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE.
UM, AGAIN, IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN PROCURED, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROCESS THEY WERE PROCURED THROUGH.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE VOTED ON ANY CONTRACTS OR ANY.
SO THERE'S, WE'RE AT GROUND ZERO RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S BEEN SOME PROPOSALS AND SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENGAGED, THEY'RE READY TO GO.
SO THEY'RE THROWING IDEAS OUT AND THEY'VE GOT SOME TALENT AND SKILLS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF A QUESTION OF, AND I THINK TO ME, THAT'S WHY THE OWNER'S REP IS GOOD, UH, TO HELP GO IN THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT EVERY T'S BEING CROSSED, EVERY I'S BEING DOTTED, THAT, THAT THE PLANS THAT ARE BEING PUT FORWARD ARE REALLY GOOD PLANS.
UH, NOT ONLY FOR A SENIOR CENTER, BUT LONG-TERM, YOU KNOW, FROM A, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER, WHICH YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY DONE A GREAT JOB HELPING US WITH AT THIS POINT.
AND I ALSO REMEMBER THE COMMENTS BEING MADE, THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IN SOME OF THESE BIG PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL ARE OVER.
IF HAD YOU STARTED EARLIER THE $500,000 BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT WE JUST MADE WOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD WOULD'VE PICKED UP EARLIER ON, AS ARCHITECTS WERE DESIGNING THINGS THAT WERE NOT FEASIBLE WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE WERE WORKING ON.
SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I THINK YOU BRING, AND YOU CAN BRING A LOT OF VALUE BY HELP, STARTING FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST MY HEAD IS AROUND WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF YOU.
WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A DESIGN FIRM AND WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE LOOKING ON WHO BRINGS THE MOST, THE BEST, WHO IS THE BEST QUALIFIED, WHO BRINGS THE MOST QUALIFICATIONS.
SO I THINK IF IT'S, UH, MR. BUTLER OR RESPECTIVELY, WHOM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THE MOST QUALIFIED BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO THIS POINT, WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND THEIR ABILITY AND THEIR AVAILABILITY AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
THEN I SEE NO REASON NOT TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH.
NOW, IS THIS JUST A DECISION THAT, UH, THE OWNER'S REP WOULD MAKE UNILATERALLY, OR IS THIS YOU WOULD JUST BE COMING BACK TO US AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE CONTRACTS, WE WOULD STILL GET A CHANCE TO, OR JUST PURELY AS AN ADVISOR, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S YOUR MONEY AND IT'S YOUR DECISION, UH, AND, AND THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY AND THEIR DECISION.
WE'RE JUST DOING THE FACT FINDING AND THE DIGGING AND BRINGING YOU THE OPTIONS AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S YOUR DECISION OR A CUSTOMER ELLISON.
UM, AND FOR ME, I'LL JUST KIND OF
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PUT THIS OUT THERE.I THINK THAT IF WE DO ENGAGE IN AN OWNER'S REP, UH, I'VE BEEN MORE THAN PLEASED WITH, UH, YOUR FIRM AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON OTHER, OUR OTHER PROJECTS.
SO I'D BE, UH, OKAY WITH GOING WITH THEM.
I WOULD JUST KIND OF WRAP MY HEAD, MAYBE THE OTHERS AS WELL AROUND THIS PROCESS.
SO IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE AN OWNER'S REP, UH, AND I, AND I THINK YOU MADE SOME GREAT POINTS ABOUT WHERE IN THAT PROCESS, YOU DO THAT DOING THAT, BUT JUST THE DESIGN OR, UM, AND THAT PERCENTAGE COULD BE MUCH SMALLER.
SO WHAT, W WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF WE GAVE STAFF DIRECTION, WILL WE COME WITH STAFF, BRING BACK A PROPOSAL AFTER ENGAGING WITH ACM TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH THE LOGISTICS AND WE CAN GET A NUMBER AND HAVE A CONTRACT TO REVIEW AND, AND KIND OF MAKE A DECISION FROM THERE? IS THAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE TOOK THAT ACTION? THERE WE GO.
I WAS, UH, I CAME BACK HERE AND I WOULD TO READ THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE AGENDA ITEM TO SEE WHAT, WHAT ACTION COULD WE TAKE? AND SO, YEAH, WE WOULD COME BACK WITH AN AGENDA ITEM TO ENGAGE AN OWNER'S REP, WHETHER THAT WAS A, OR TO START THE PROCESS FOR BIDDING, UH, AT WHICH POINT, THEN VERY QUICKLY ONCE ENGAGED, WE'D HAVE THEM SIT DOWN WITH, WITH KAZ, MR. BUTLER AND BRING BACK A PLAN SET, AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY.
AND THEN I THINK, UM, I'M JUST GIVING SOME GOOD WISDOM HERE TODAY.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE COULD GO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF THAT DESIGN.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE HOME COOKING OF A CAZ THERE WITH THE 600,000, YOU KNOW, BUT STILL, I THINK QUALITY IS STILL THE, THE GOAL HERE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE OF US PERSONALLY, MY OPINION TO GO FORWARD WITH A, UM, PROJECT MANAGER, UM, WITH THIS ONE, DEFINITELY IN A, IF WE GO OUT TO RECRUITMENT, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT PUSHING THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DOWN TIME-WISE.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A CREDIBLE COMPANY THAT IT'S DONE A GREAT JOB FOR US IN THE PAST.
AND I THINK, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD PARTNERSHIP THERE, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
SO, UH, WE CAN STILL, I KNOW IT'S LISTED AS UPDATE AND DISCUSSION, BUT WE CAN MOTION TO DIRECT YOU TO BRING SOMETHING BACK.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER, UH, TO BRING BACK A CONTRACT, ENGAGING AGC M FOR OWNER'S REP UH, SERVICES RELATED TO THE COLOR IS SENIOR ZONE MOVE BY THE MAYOR.
SECOND ABOUT COUNCILOR ELLISON.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[12.
A Resolution of the City of Kyle, Texas, Authorizing the City Manager to Coordinate with the Texas Department of Transportation for Installation of a Sign at Interstate Highway 35 and South FM 1626 Prohibiting Soliciting, Begging Activity Directed at Drivers using the City Streets; Providing Open Meetings Clause; and Providing for Related Matters. ~ Jeff Barnett, Chief of Police
]ALL RIGHT.NEXT UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, A RESOLUTION OF CITY OF CALTEX IS AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO COORDINATE WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR INSTALLATION OF SIGNS, INTERSTATE THIRD WAY 35 AND SOUTH 16, 26, PROHIBITING SOLICITING, BEGGING, UH, ACTIVITY DIRECTED AT DRIVERS USING THE CITY STREETS, UH, ET CETERA, CHIEF BARNETT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, JEFF BARNETT, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE ASKING YOUR APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION IS NOT TO ALLOW US TO NEGOTIATE WITH TECHSTAR, TO PUT UP SOME SIGNAGE ALONG 16, 26, NEAR INTERSTATE 35, THAT WILL HELP US IN ENFORCING A RECENT, A CITY ORDINANCE THAT YOU PASSED.
THAT WAS ORDINANCE 1149, THAT PROHIBITED AMONGST MANY THINGS, UH, BEGGING FROM THE STREETS AND ON OUR SIDEWALKS THAT CAN BECOME DANGEROUS TO OUR MOTORING AND WALKING PUBLIC.
AND THIS WILL SIMPLY ALLOW US TO WORK WITH TXDOT SINCE THAT IS A TXDOT ROADWAY, TO PUT UP SOME SIGNAGE, TO HELP PROHIBIT PEOPLE FROM BEGGING OUT IN THE MEDIAN, IN FRONT OF HEB AND TARGET IN THAT MIDDLE AREA, OUR NUMBER ONE ACCIDENT LOCATION IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER, WE HAVE A LOT OF SPORTS AND ATHLETIC TEAMS THAT WANT TO GO OUT AND SELL WATER AND TRY TO RAISE MONEY FOR GOOD CAUSES.
HOWEVER, THAT'S AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS ACTIVITY.
WE WANT TO PUT UP SOME SIGNS TO HELP PREVENT THAT AND REDUCE OFFICER RESPONSE TO THAT.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS, MAYOR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN SECOND, MOVED BY CUSTOMER.
TOBIA SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FLOORS.
KALE'S THEIR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION CUSTOMER RUSSIA.
CHIEF, ARE YOU PUTTING ONE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF 35 AS WELL? YES.
OUR INTENTIONS WILL BE TO WORK WITH TXDOT TO COVER BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE OF INTERSTATE 35 AND PUT UP SIGNAGE THAT CAN IMPACT BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY.
UH, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, UH, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE STREETS ON I 35 AND MEDIANS INTERSECTIONS LIKE CENTER STREET, NOT 35.
UH, NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT UNDER REVIEW CONSTANTLY.
HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME THIS IS THE ONLY MAJOR INTERSECTION AND THAT'S BASED ON THE PURE VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT GO OUT AND SOLICIT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
WE THINK WE CAN MANAGE THE OTHERS BECAUSE IT'S A FEW TIMES A YEAR 16, 26, AND INTERSTATE 35 IS MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN THAT.
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WHAT WOULD BE THE HARM IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ENGAGING AND HAVING THEM PUT UP AND GOING AHEAD AND GETTING CENTER STREET DONE AS WELL? UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO IT.WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER.
WE HAVEN'T HAD MANY PEOPLE IN THAT COULD THIS IN INADVERTENTLY FORCE PEOPLE TO LOOK FOR THE NEW LOCATION.
THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, AND IT MAY HELP TO SAVE US FROM COMING BACK IN A FUTURE.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO AMENDING AND PUTTING, PUTTING SIGNS UP ON CENTER STREET AS WELL? NOT AT ALL.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, TO INCLUDE A CENTER STREET AND
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO AMEND? UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO NOW WE HAVE BOTH UP IS WE'RE STILL HAVE THE ITEM HERE.
IS THERE ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
[13. Consider a Request by Nitro Swimming to Grant a Special Exception for Parking on property located within Plum Creek PUD. ~ Will Atkinson, City Planner]
ALL RIGHT.NEXT UP, UH, GENDA AN ITEM NUMBER 13, CONSIDERED A REQUEST BY NATURAL SWIMMING TO GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR PARKING ON PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN PLUM CREEK PUD.
SPEAKING OF SWIMMING POOLS, RIGHT? UH, WE'LL ACT LISTEN FOR THE RECORDS.
SO YOU PLANNER, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO WHAT WE HAVE FOR Y'ALL TONIGHT.
UM, NOT JUST WHIM IS GOING TO BE A PROJECT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A LARGE AQUATIC FACILITY OVER IN AREA 10 IN THE PLUM CREEK PUTT UP ON 1626.
AND, UM, AS WE STARTED GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH THEM AND THE SITE PLAN REVIEW IT JUST THE INITIAL ITEMS. WE REALIZED THAT THE PLUM CREEK PUD DOES NOT ACTUALLY SPECIFY PARKING RATIOS FOR AQUATIC FACILITIES.
THE ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS THEM, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY COULD OR COULD NOT DO.
SO, UM, THERE IS A PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD AND IT'S FOR A CITY COUNCIL TO GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE PARKING RATIOS THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT PARKING RATIOS FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS.
UM, I BELIEVE IT IS AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT AND WE ASKED THAT Y'ALL APPROVE THE PARKING RATIOS OR WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? UM, DO YOU HAVE THE, THE MAP PUT UP? YES.
I'LL, I'LL PUT UP THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN REAL QUICK.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CUSTOMER IS THOUGH.
MAYOR, UM, QUESTIONS AS WELL, COUNCILOR ROSA FOR THE RECORD.
UH WE'LL UH, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE BACK OF MATERIAL FOR FACILITY THE SIDE.
UH, IT USUALLY REQUIRES 405 PARKING SPACES.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS WHAT I SAW ON THE BACK OF THE MATERIAL.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING 305, SO A HUNDRED LESS.
SO THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE FORWARD AND FIVE.
SO THE WAY THE PARKING RATIOS WORKS ARE, UM, THERE IS A MINIMUM SET TYPICALLY, AND THEN WITHIN THE PLUM CREEK PUD, YOU CAN GET, EM, YOU CAN MULTIPLY THAT BY 1.5 TO GET A MAXIMUM.
SO FOR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, IF IT'S IN BETWEEN THEIR MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM.
SO TO ME IT'S AN IN BETWEEN IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
I NOTICED THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A, UH, WHAT IS IT? NATIONAL EVENTS AS WELL, SPORTING EVENTS WHERE THEY DO A COMPETITION.
PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE NATION.
DO WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT IN CASE WE HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING IN THE AREA WOULD BE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT NOT SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT THERE IS A WAY FORWARD THAT WE CAN, UM, PARKING LOTS CAN BE DESIGNED AND BUILT IF FOUND NECESSARY WITHIN THE PLUM CREEK, BUD.
NOW I DON'T, I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW THE ENTIRE PROJECT FOR THIS, FOR ALL THE OTHER LOTS IN THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONTRACTS PLUM CREEK HAS UNDER TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR WHO THEY'RE GOING TO BE SELLING THEM TO.
UM, BUT FOR, FOR WHAT THEY'VE SHOWN US, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE OF THE PARKING RATIOS.
WILL THANK YOU, CUSTOMER TOBY'S OKAY.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS FACILITY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BRING IN TOURNAMENTS, CORRECT.
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I SEE THAT THERE'S ONLY EIGHT ADA SPACES AVAILABLE.UH, I JUST WENT TO TWO COMPETITIONS WITH MY DAUGHTER.
AND, UH, SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES RAN OUT OF THOSE PARKING SPACES REALLY FAST AND, UH, SAW A COUPLE OF VANS, HAD TO CIRCLE AROUND MANY TIMES PARK, FARTHER AWAY, AND THE PERSON ACTUALLY HAD A WALKER.
SO, UM, NOT TOO, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO DESIGN THE FACILITY ITSELF, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE A WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY OR MORE ADA PARKING SPACES, BECAUSE I ONLY SEE IT LIKE IN THE VERY FRONT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE IN THE BACK.
CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO USE WALKERS OR WHEELCHAIRS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IN THIS FACILITY HERE.
DO YOU KNOW BY CHANCE IF THERE THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERING ADDING ADDITIONAL MORE WE CAN ASK THEM TO DO SO WE'D HAVE A CONVERSATION AFTER THE FACT.
UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM TYPICALLY, UM, FROM A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB AND I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW ALL THE DETAILS BEHIND ADA, UH, PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE CLUSTERED AROUND THE CLOSEST PRIMARY INSURANCE.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE G HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WALMART HAS.
I KNOW WHAT THE PARKING RATIO IS, BUT I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE.
I GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT 304 PARKING SPACES LOOKS LIKE.
UM, AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT THAT THIS WAS A SUFFICIENT NUMBER? I DID RELY ON THE PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE OF THE REQUESTER.
UM, THEY, AND ALSO NATRONA SWIM, WHICH ALSO HAS A FACILITY UP IN
UM, AND BASED ON THE PARKING RATIOS THAT THEY HAD UP THERE.
SO THIS IS, UH, A COPY AND PASTE ESSENTIALLY OF THE PARKING RATIOS THAT THEY'VE USED.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO BKS? I HAVE NOT.
SO THE PARKING SPACES ARE ABOUT THIS BIG, THEY ARE TEENY, TEENY TINY, AND IT'S NOT FUN TO GO IN AND IT'S NOT FUN TO LIKE GO SHOPPING OR GO EATING IT'S PARKING IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM.
SO I AM HESITANT KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NATIONAL COMPETITIONS IN THIS AREA TO SAY, NOPE, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WAIVE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT AND, YOU KNOW, LET YOU BUILD WHAT A HUNDRED LESS THAN, THAN IS REQUIRED.
UM, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID IT FOR ME WAS THE BKS EXAMPLE.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF, IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD, NO, FOR ME, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE AND I PARKING IS, IS NEVER AN ENJOYMENT.
SO, UM, AND I, AND I WISH IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE STRATEGIC THAN JUST THAT WE WENT OFF ANOTHER AREA.
UM, IT W IT'S NOT AN AREA THAT I'M FOND OF, BUT, UM, YEAH.
MY PLEASURE, IF I MAY, UM, THE, THE PARKING SPACES WILL MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FROM A DIMENSIONAL STANDPOINT FOR PLUM CREEK.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARK DIMENSIONS ARE FOR BKF.
UM, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, THERE ARE NO STATED MINIMUMS OR MAXIMUMS. UM, THERE'S NO MINIMUMS SET ASIDE FOR PARKING RATIOS FOR AN AQUATIC FACILITY.
SO WE HAD TO USE, UM, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY OUTSIDE EXPERIENCE TO PULL IT FROM, SO, SO WHAT ARE THEY ASKING FOR IF THERE'S NO MINIMUMS, WHAT ARE THEY ASKING FOR A WAIVER FROM ASKING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO GRANT THE PARKING RATIOS THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE, I'M SORRY, WHAT WOULD THEY DO? WHAT WOULD, HOW MANY WOULD THEY HAVE? W WE DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SOMETHING IN THE CODE TO STATE THE MINIMUM.
SO WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS IF WE, IF WE VOTED NO TO THIS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LIKE THE NUMBER, THEY WOULD HAVE NOTHING.
THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO NO PARKING.
SO IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO LOWER THE AMOUNT THEY'RE ASKING IS THIS THE RIGHT AMOUNT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARTICULAR ALLOCATIONS.
AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED A BETTER EXAMPLE OF LIKE, THIS IS JUST A MADE UP NUMBER PULLED OUT OF THE AIR, UH, IN COMPARISON TO BEHAVES.
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE INVESTIGATION AS FAR AS LIKE, IF WE SAY NO, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE FOR THEM.
UM, AND WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE, SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING NATIONAL EVENTS, THAT WE REPRESENT KYLE IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO COME HERE AND DO EVENTS, AND THEN PARKING IS A BIG DEAL.
NOW, MAYBE YOU DO THAT RESEARCH.
AND WE FIND THAT THIS IS A RIGHT NUMBER, BUT JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT BK SAYS IN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SUFFICIENT AND
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YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU SAY PARKING LOTS CAN BE BUILT, BUT, UM, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN DOING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.MY THEORY IS ALWAYS, YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT.
OR YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.
SO I'M, UH, IF THEY'RE WILLING, I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT EVEN BUILT YET? LIKE IF THEY, IF WE COULD COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, SO YES.
SO, SO WHAT, WHAT WE BRING THE APPLICANT UP FOR, FOR SOME ANSWERS, UH, SEVERAL THINGS I WANT TO STATE HERE.
SO, SO JUST A FEW THINGS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE IS A TYPICAL STALL HAS TO BE NINE BY 18 IN KYLE.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO NARROW THE WIDTH HERE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE OR LESS STALLS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ABILITY TO ACCESS A STALL WILL BE THE SAME AS IT WOULD BE AT A GROCERY STORE.
FOR EXAMPLE, UH, NITRO SWIMMING HAS THREE LOCATIONS.
THEY'VE GOT A BEE CAVE, CEDAR PARK, AND ONE AT FORT WAYNE.
AND THIS RATIO IS MADE UP OF THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT THEY NEED.
THEY, THEY WERE IN BIG TOURNAMENTS IN EACH, SO PER THEIR MULTIPLE YEARS OF EXPERIENCES, THEY'VE JUST DETERMINED THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR FACILITY.
UH, AND FINALLY, THIS WILL BE IN A VIBE SPOT.
SO, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON PARKING RATIO REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD ALLOW GOLF CARDS IN LIEU OF PARKING.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY GET MORE VEHICLE TRAFFICKING HERE BASED ON THE DIFFERENT MULTI, MULTIPLE MODES, UH, YOU KNOW, COMING INTO THESE, THESE PARKING STALLS.
UH, ONE MORE POINT IS THAT THE ADJACENT USES ARE ALSO, UH, WHAT I'LL CALL TOURNAMENT, DESTINATION, RIGHT.
SO THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PARKING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE ONSITE PARKING HERE FOR OVERFLOW.
AND, UH, W YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE SHARED PARKING THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE AREA.
I WAS AT FIVE MILE DAM WEEK BEFORE, WHICH IS A CITY COUNTY PROJECT, AND THERE WAS A TOURNAMENT THERE, AND THERE WERE ABOUT A HUNDRED VEHICLES WITHOUT PARKING SPOTS.
SO YOUR QUESTION IS NOT LOST ON ME.
UH, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THAT GOVERNMENT ALWAYS HAS THE RIGHT ANSWER EITHER BECAUSE NOT ONLY WERE THERE NOT ENOUGH SPOTS, THERE WERE OFFICERS OUT THERE TICKETING EVERYONE PARKING ON THE RIGHT AWAY.
SO THAT WAS PRETTY FUN TO WATCH GETTING CRAZY.
SO, UH, IF YOU WANT TO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THEN TALK TO US ABOUT HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THE NUMBER AND WHETHER OR NOT IN YOUR OPINION, IT WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR CROWD SURGES AND YEAH, SURE, NO PROBLEM.
UM, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME ALISON KENNEDY, I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER REPRESENTING, UH, NITRO SWIM FOR THE, UM, PLUM CREEK, UH, NITRO SWIM LOCATION.
UM, SO, UH, I WILL SAY THAT I DON'T, UH, HAVE NOT DONE A TON OF RESEARCH NECESSARILY ON SWIM MEETS.
AND SO DID RELY ON TWO THINGS, I THINK, TO COME UP WITH THE RATIO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, AND THE FIRST BEING, UM, FEEDBACK FROM NITRO FOR WHAT THEY TYPICALLY PROVIDE AT THEIR FACILITIES BASED ON THEIR EXP EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, RUNNING LARGE SWIM MEETS AND EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE BEING TRYING TO LOOK AROUND AT THE NEAREST LOCAL CITY, UM, THAT MAYBE WOULD HAVE A PARKING RATIO IN THEIR CODE THAT WE COULD APPLY TO THE SITUATION SINCE, AS YOU STATED, VERY, UH, HELPFULLY, UM, THAT IT'S, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION FROM THE CODE, THE CODE IS SILENT ON THE PARKING RATIO FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND SO WE ALSO, UM, TRIED TO GO TO THE EFFORT OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT WE WERE COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MADE SENSE AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD FUNCTION FOR THE FACILITY.
IRONICALLY, WE WERE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT WORRIED THAT YOU WOULDN'T LET US HAVE THE NUMBER WE'RE ASKING.
AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE REACTION OF YOU WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH AND THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED MORE.
UM, SO THE CITY OF BEE CAVE, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE MY LETTER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT MY MEMORY IS THAT THE CITY OF BKV, UM, HAS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT A COMMERCIAL POOL, UM, WOULD HAVE, UH, I THINK IT'S FIVE PARKING SPOTS PER 100 SQUARE FEET OF, UM, POOL AND DECK AREA.
AND SO IF WE JUST APPLY THAT, THANK YOU.
UM, AND WHO PULLED THAT UP? UM, IF WE JUST APPLY THAT TO OUR PROPOSED, UM, FLOOR PLAN AND OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF PROPOSED POOL DECKING AT POOL AND DECKING AREA, IT COMES TO SOME MINIMUM, I BELIEVE OF 270.
AND THEN BECAUSE THE CODE, UH, IN THE PUD ALLOWS US TO INCREASE THAT UP TO 150% OF THE MINIMUM TO ESTABLISH A MAX THAT PUTS US AT THE 400.
UM, AND SO TALKING WITH NITRO, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE ACTUALLY LESS THAN THAT FOR THEIR FACILITIES.
AND SO IT FELT LIKE WHAT THEY TYPICALLY PROVIDE FALLS WITHIN THAT RANGE, UH, WITH THE ONE TO 500 RATIO.
SO, SO THESE ARE, THERE ARE MORE SPACES HERE THAN AT YOUR OTHER FACILITIES.
UM, IT ACTUALLY TRACKS PRETTY CLOSELY IF YOU, IF YOU JUST APPLY THE RATIO TO
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THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE POOL DECKING, UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE, THE WATER ITSELF.I ALSO WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECT HAS SAID THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR, I WANT TO SAY IT'S 540 SPECTATORS IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT THE BLEACHERS CAN SUPPORT.
AND SO IT WOULD BE IF THAT HELPS IT'S 540 SPECTATORS, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE COACHES AND PEOPLE IN THE WARMUP POOL AND THE STAFF AND, UH, PARTICIPANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IF THAT HELPS ALSO PUT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN YOUR MIND THAT'S IF YOUR PET COMPLETELY PACKED OUT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TO ADDING JUST A COUPLE OF ADA COMPLIANT, UM, SPACES IN THE, IN THE FRONT EXPRESSION.
I SEE, LIKE I SAID, DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM, YOU DO, BUT MAYBE UP ON TOP, IF A CONSIDERATION TO HAVE MORE, OR JUST A COUPLE MORE, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TO MEET BEFORE ALREADY, AND AGAIN, UH, THIS PAST WEEKEND, UH, THEY FILL UP PRETTY FAST AND, YOU KNOW, UM, PROBABLY ELDERLY, YOUR GRANDMA AND GRANDPA WANT TO COME SEE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY AT THE MEAT, BUT THEN THE PARKING COULD BE AN ISSUE TOO, WHERE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE SPACES.
I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO TALK ABOUT, IS THERE A, UH, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT WITH THIS VARIANCE OR WITH THIS VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT ADA MINIMUM SPACES? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IF THEY HAVE THE MINIMUM, THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED BY MY STATE LAW.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THERE'S CERTAIN PARKING RATIOS THAT YOU NEED FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.
EXCUSE ME, THERE'S AN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE OFF HAND, BUT, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN MINIMUM RATIOS YOU NEED TO HAVE, UM, FOR, FOR ADA SPACES PER YEAR PER ENTERPRISE COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
AND SO IF THEY HAVE THE MINIMUM, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN ENFORCE.
UM, BUT IF THEY ADD MORE, UM, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR PARKING.
AND SO I'M WANTING TO KNOW IF IN THE GRANTING OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE CAN PUT A REQUIREMENT THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE EIGHT THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE PROPOSAL CAN BE, CAN BE SET FORTH.
OKAY, WELL, WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK ON THAT ONE CUSTOMER RIZZO.
DO YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON, I JUST WANT IT TO END WITH A COMMENT AND SAY, THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF KYLE AND BRINGING THIS FACILITY HERE.
WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS DIFFERENT AMENITIES, UH, OUR CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, OTHER OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, TO EXERCISE, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A FACILITY LIKE YOURS COMING TO KYLE.
I THINK, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE KIDS BEING OUT THERE AND GETTING SOME EXERCISE AND, AND LEARN HOW TO COMPETE.
AND, UH, IT'S JUST A GREAT FACILITY COMING TO CO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, CUSTOMER FLOORS, KALE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THIS AT THIS TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, SO IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.
UM, AND SO, I MEAN, THERE'S NO DIRECTION GIVEN.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE, UM, IS IT LIKE, LIKE SHE STATED, SHE SAID, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A CODE OF SILENCE, WHICH WAS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT.
AND SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD WORK ON, THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR FUTURE YEAH.
IT IS THE IT'S, THIS IS A PLUM CREEK PUD ISSUE.
SO, OH, JUST IN PARTICULAR PLUM CREEK, BUT, OR IS IT ANY PUD OR THE PUMP CREEK? RIGHT.
SO IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE PUTTING THIS FACILITY SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN PLUM CREEK, THERE WOULD ALREADY BE STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN PLACE ABOUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THEY COULD HAVE, BUT THE PUTT IS SILENT ON THIS.
SO IT GIVES US, IT'S KIND, KINDA NICE IN A WAY, BECAUSE IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, WHEREAS WE DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT.
YOU CAN PLACE THOSE CONDITIONS.
YOU'RE CONSIDERING ON THE APPROVAL.
YOU CAN REQUIRE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE WANTS TO BE ADDED.
COUNSELOR TOBY IS, DID YOU HAVE A NUMBER THAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT? IF WE COULD MAYBE JUST ADD FOUR, MAYBE UP ON THE TOP TO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE IT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THIS IS NORTH.
THIS IS NORTH, NORTH AND WEST OR EAST WEST, MAYBE TO WHERE YOU HAVING TO PULL ON THE TOP IS FOUR ON TOP.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR EIGHT ON THE BOTTOM JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO GO IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, AGENDA ITEM 13 WITH THE, UH,
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UH, REQUESTED, UH, PARKING AREAS, RIGHT? IT'S BEEN MOTIONED BY CUSTOMER RIZZO, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES, KALE THAT WE APPROVED INTO NUMBER 13, UH, AND INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HANDICAP SPOTS FROM EIGHT TO 12.AND THE ADDITIONAL FOUR WOULD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE WAY YOU HEARD THAT EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT ON THAT BE THE TOP ENTRANCE TO THE PLAN NORTH? SO, CAUSE I THINK IT'S, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, RIGHT, I THINK IT'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING, THE SALAD.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU HAVE THEM ON A NORTH AND JUST ADDITIONAL FOR, SO THE BOTTOM IS WEST AND THE TOP IS EAST.
SO TO CLARIFY, OH, THERE WE GO.
ON THE EAST SIDE OPPOSITE OF WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY PLANNED.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I MEAN, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE, I GUESS I'M MISSING WHY WE WANT TO DICTATE EXACTLY WHERE, BUT I THINK ADDING ADDITIONALLY FOUR IS GREAT.
DO WE WANT TO GET INTO THE, UM, JUST LET ME NOT THE FACILITY ITSELF, MAYBE ADA IS GOING TO DICTATE WHERE THOSE GO BY DOORS AND IT'S JUST BY RAMPS BY DOORS WHERE YOU OKAY.
WHEREVER THEY FEEL IT, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FROM WHEREVER WHEREVER IS MOST FEASIBLE, JUST ADDING THE EXTRA FOR PEOPLE TO BE THERE.
I, UM, IF THERE'S A WAY MAYBE TO WRITE, UH, THE ITEM, UH, IN A WAY THAT KIND OF GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF LATITUDE TO PUT IT WHERE IT WILL BE OF THE MOST BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE USING THE SPACES.
WE DEFINITELY CAN THINK THAT THROUGH, AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
UM, IT JUST WAS TALKING WITH, UH, THE OWNER'S REP OVER THERE.
UM, AND W W I THINK THE BACK ENTRANCE IS MORE OF LIKE MECHANICAL UTILITY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE A, LIKE A PUBLIC ENTRANCE.
AND SO, UM, PROBABLY NEAR THE FRONT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE, BUT WE CAN PUT IT WHERE IT WILL BE OF THE MOST BENEFIT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA USE IT.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS MOTION AND REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE LOCATED IN ANY PARTICULAR AREA.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER MEMBER RIZZO.
UM, THIS IS ON THE AMENDMENT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
I WANT TO AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILOR RIZZO SAID.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED FOR Y'ALL SO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO KYLE.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US.
WE WILL HAVE A, AN ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, FORTHCOMING.
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(First Reading) An ordinance amending Chapter 41 (Subdivisions) of the City of Kyle, Texas, for the purpose of modifying Section 41-136 - Lots and Chapter 53 (Zoning) of the City of Kyle, Texas, for the purpose of modifying Section 53-143 - Site Development Regulations (Townhomes); Authorizing the City Secretary to amend the City of Kyle Code of Ordinances so as to reflect this change; providing for publication and effective date; providing for severability; and ordaining other provisions related to the subject matter hereof; finding and determining that the meeting at which this ordinance was passed was open to the public as required by law. ~ William Atkinson, City Planner
Planning and Zoning Commission voted 5-0 to recommend approval.
- Public Hearing
UH, UH, FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 41 OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MODIFYING SECTION 41 DASH 1 36.
UH, THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MODIFYING A SITE DEVELOPMENTS TOWNHOMES, MAN, THAT ONE'S HARD TO READ, SO YEAH.
UH, THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. ATKINSON, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THAT CAPTION SAYS? TOWNHOMES, YOU WANT TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST? ARE YOU ONE THAT NO, GO AHEAD.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS, IT'S, IT'S BROKEN INTO TWO PARTS.
WE HAVE WHAT'S THE UTILITY LOT SECTION AND THE TOWNHOME AMENDMENT.
SO UTILITY LIGHTS, UM, ARE, IS A ADDITION TO OUR SUBDIVISION CODE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR STAFF WHEN REVIEWING, UM, SUBDIVISION CODE, UH, CURRENTLY OUR ZONING CODE.
DOES IT GIVE STAFF LATITUDE TO RE HAVE LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT THE MINIMUM DIMENSIONS ARE FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT? UTILITY LOTS ARE WHERE A DEVELOPER COULD HAVE A LANDSCAPE.
THAT'S NOT PART OF, IT'S NOT PART OF AN EASEMENT ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE A SEPARATE LINE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE ENTRANCE TO THEIR SUBDIVISION, LOOK NICER.
IT COULD ALSO BE A LOT TO CREATE, UM, OR TO ENCAPSULATE AN EXISTING, UH, GAS LINE EASEMENT, IF YOU WANT, WHERE YOU CAN'T BUILD ANY WAY.
UM, SO IT'S FOR THE SAME REASON NOT GOING ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, UM, LOOPING WATER LINES, THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS, BUT THEY'RE ALL PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS.
SO WE'RE WANTING TO CREATE THIS UTILITY LOT TO JUST BETTER FACILITATE OUR SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO IS THIS, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR A GAS LINE EASEMENT, IF IT IS GREAT INTO LIGHT, IT COULD BE, THE OWNERSHIP COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE PIPELINE, THE GAS PIPELINE COMPANY, OR IT COULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE INTERNAL SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, AND IT'S WHEN FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S USUALLY MOWING, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE.
UM, UM, WHEN IT'S LOOPING WATER LINES,
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UM, INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS FOR OUR WATER CCN, UM, IT WOULD BE US, WE'D BE OWNING THE LOT AND THAT WAY WE COULD HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OVER IT AND BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE TO GO TO PEOPLE'S YARDS AND DIG UP THOSE LINES AND MESS WITH THEIR LAWN AND FLOWERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.BUT AS OF NOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT.
IT DEPENDS ON EACH PROJECT IS SPECIFIC.
AGAIN, AS AN EXAMPLE, LANDSCAPE LOTS WOULD BE OWNED PROBABLY BY MAIN HOA, RIGHT.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA GIVE A FLAT OUT APPROVAL.
I SAY, YOU CAN PUT ALL THESE UTILITY LOTS, A LITTLE BIT OF SUBDIVISION.
THEY HAVE TO BE THERE FOR A REASON.
UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY HAVE, WHERE THEY WILL PUT THEM AND WHY THEY'RE PUTTING IN.
AND THEY'LL JUST, THEY'LL DECIDE WHERE THEY GO AND WE'LL JUST APPROVE IT.
NOT WITHOUT DISCUSSION BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE REASON IT KEEPS POPPING UP IS FOR THE REASON, THE EXAMPLES THAT I'VE SHOWN, THOSE ARE THE THREE BIGGEST EXAMPLES.
UM, THEY COULD ALSO BE FOR, UH, POCKET PARKS.
THEY COULD BE FOR, UM, TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTIES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION AS WELL.
SO THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.
HOWEVER, THEY NEED TO HAVE A PRACTICAL APPLICATION TO THEM AS WELL.
I GUESS MY FEAR IS THAT WE'LL HAVE THESE LITTLE, LOTS THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN.
WE'LL HAVE LIKE A LITTLE LAWNMOWER CAUSE YOU KNOW, A BIG WRITING, LOT MORE.
SO I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING UNDUE DUTIES TO OUR STAFF.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LIKE ATTEMPT TO TACKLE NOW OR DO WE, IT'S JUST, IT JUST BASIC LIKE ONE-ON-ONE BASIS, LIKE AS IT COMES, WE DEAL WITH IT.
IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? SO EARLY ON, WHENEVER WE MEET WITH DEVELOPERS, UM, THEY'LL SHOW US THEIR PLANS THAT THEY WANT IT FOR THE LOT LAYOUT.
AND, UM, IT'S A QUESTION THAT POPS UP QUITE FREQUENTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE NEED TO LOOP UTILITY LINES OR THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, THERE'S A GAS LINE USABLE COMING THROUGH HERE.
HOW DO WE PUT THIS TOGETHER? AND WE'LL LET THEM KNOW.
WE TELL THEM, WE TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, WHO THE EXPECTATION IS NOT GOING TO BE THE CITY TO MAINTAIN OUR OWN THAT LOT, UH, SHOULD BE THE HOA OR IN CASE OF A GASOLINE.
IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE THE GUESTS COMPANIES.
UM, BUT WHERE IT'S CITY UTILITIES, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT.
IS THIS, IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER ZONING TYPES? WE'VE, WE'VE ADDRESSED UTILITY EASEMENTS, MUNICIPAL UTILITIES, MITS AND STRANGE.
AND, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THIS GOING TO COME UP WITH OTHER ZONINGS? IS IT BECAUSE TOWNHOMES IS NOT A ZONING THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN A LONG TIME? AND THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF THESE.
THERE'S TWO SEPARATE, UM, UPDATES TO OUR CODE.
ONE OF THEM'S IN THE SUBDIVISION CODE AND ONE WAS FROM TOWN HOMES SPEND, THEY'RE NOT IT FOR UPDATING THIS, UH, THIS AMENDMENT TO THE CODE IF THEY'RE NOT RELATED, BUT THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT THEY COULD BE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CONFUSE YOU.
UM, SO THE UTILITY LOT SPECIFICALLY IS JUST FOR WHERE THEY WERE, IT'S PRACTICAL AND IT MAKES SENSE THEY CAN HAVE UTILITY LOTS THAT ARE NOT THEY'RE SEPARATE FROM PEOPLE'S.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, I'VE VOTED ON THAT MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IS MY QUESTION CUSTOMER IS UP WELL.
SO THE UTILITY LAW, WHAT IT DOES IS RIGHT NOW, OUR, OUR CREWS GO OUT AND THEY JOIN A LINE.
SO IT'S LIVING WATER LINE, THEY'RE DOING IT IN SOMEBODY'S YARD.
WHAT DOES YOUR UTILITY LOT ALLOWS US TO DO IS DO IT OUTSIDE OF SOMEBODY'S PREVIEW.
SO IT GIVES US THAT, YOU KNOW, SAFEGUARD OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES, NOT IN SOMEBODY'S YARDS, PLEASE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET MAD.
WE'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAN OUT OUR SYSTEM THAT ROUTE.
BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU WAS WHY ARE WE RESPONSIBLE? EVEN IF IT'S UTILITY, IT'S STILL SERVICES THE SUBDIVISION, WHY ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE THAT SHOULD BE HOA? OR IT SHOULD BE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDER SHOULDN'T BE THE CITY SO IT, IT SERVICES THAT SUBDIVISION.
SO WE SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THAT.
OUR, OUR TAXPAYERS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO MOW THAT WHEN IT'S SERVICING THAT, THAT UTILITY, THAT POD PIT OR SUBDIVISION, WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, I DID NOT SPECIFICALLY INCLUDE RELATED TO MAINTENANCE ON CITY-OWNED UTILITY LOTS BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING IT INTERNALLY.
UM, IF THE HOA SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OR HAVE TO MOW IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND, BUT IF WE NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE, THE CODE TO GIVE IT MORE SPECIFICITY, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ROUTE.
IF WE WERE GOING TO PROVE THIS I'D FEEL A LOT BETTER.
UH, SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ADD TO THAT, BUT I THINK AT LEAST
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FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS OR SO, EVERY NEW SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED THAT HAS UTILITY LOTS, THE BURDEN HAS FALLEN THROUGH AGREEMENT ON THE HOA TO MAINTAIN THOSE LOTS.SO I DON'T KNOW AN AREA OF REALLY IS WHERE THE CITY IS MAINTAINING THOSE, CORRECT? NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION BEING A PART OF THE CODE.
WE'VE HAD TO DO IT IN THE DH TIME.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION AS WELL.
THIS, ADAM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PROVIDES TRACY SEEING NONE.
UH, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HE, SO HE STILL NEEDS TO EXPLAIN THE TOWNHOME PART OF THE CHANGE AS WELL.
UM, IN TERMS OF TOWNHOMES, UM, WE WANT TO DIVERSIFY OUR HOUSING STOCK AND KYLE FOR HOUSING TYPES.
WE HAVE PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND WE HAVE MULTI-FAMILY GARDEN STYLE MOSTLY, UM, AND NOT MUCH ELSE.
SO STAFF HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, ANYTIME SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN TO TRY TO DO TOWNHOMES WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY, AND WE HAVE A FEW LARGE TRACKS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR IT.
AND, UM, WHEN THE ARCHITECTS AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPERS START GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF THE
UH, TOWNHOMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, A MEDIUM HIGH, URBAN DENSITY PERSPECTIVE AT ABOUT 10 UNITS PER ACRE, AND WITH A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 22 FEET WIDE.
AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 480 SQUARE FEET, THAT LEAVES ABOUT TWO FEET OF SPACE FOR A FRONT DOOR.
IF IT'S FRONT-LOADED, UM, IT STILL MAKES IT DIFFICULT FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE TO MAKE THE WORK ON THE PROFORMA.
AND IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT WORK, AND I UNDERSTAND MONEY'S NOT EVERYTHING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, BUT IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT WORK, THEN THEY WON'T BUILD THE TOWNHOMES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH.
UM, I'VE ALSO EDITED THE CODE TO EXPLICITLY STATE THAT THEY CAN DO, UH, ALLEY LOADED DESIGN.
UM, CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A PREFERENCE OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF, ESPECIALLY IF IT COMES TO HIGHER URBAN, UM, MORE DENSE, LOTS TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF GARAGES FACING ONTO THE STREET AND BREAKING UP THE SIDEWALKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, BUT THEY CAN ALSO DO FRONT-LOADED AS WELL OR SIDE LOADED.
UM, AND WE ALSO WANT TO GET RID OF THE STAFF'S PREFERENCE THAT WE GET RID OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR GARAGES.
NOW THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER, BUT IT GIVES THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO BUILD IT AND TO BUILD IT OUT AT A SIZE THAT'S SUITABLE THAT THAT MATCHES A TOWNHOME TYPE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE PARKING RATIOS THAT THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE RATIOS THAT ARE BUILT INTO OUR CODE ALREADY.
SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S A MATTER OF BEING MORE FLEXIBLE WITH, WITH THE DESIGN, BUT IN A, WHAT STAFF BELIEVES IS THE CORRECT MANNER.
AND NOW I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
I WAS WHY I WAS SO CONFUSED ON THIS ITEM.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? UH, I THINK IT WAS RAY EXPLANATION.
WE'LL UM, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH IT.
I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GARAGE IN A TOWNHOME.
UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED MORE OF THAT PRODUCT HERE.
I'VE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT REACH OUT TO ME THAT ASKED ME FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT PRODUCT.
SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE, UH, MAKING IT POSSIBLE TO BUILD HERE IN COLUMNS.
SO THE, YOU SAID THAT, UH, THE, THAT EACH TOWN HOME IS STILL REQUIRED TO HAVE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ALLOCATED.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT REFERENCES, UM, WHAT KIND OF SURFACE THAT THOSE, YOU KNOW, CAN IT BE CRUSHED GRANITE OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE IMPERVIOUS, JUST HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE OR THERE IS A SECTION IN OUR CODE AND OFFHAND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I KNOW ESSENTIALLY STATES ASPHALT CONCRETE OR OTHER, OR PERMEABLE PAVERS OR ANY OTHER PAVEMENT THAT'S APPROVED AS DURABLE.
UH, AND WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST WHERE IN LIEU OF A COVERED, UH, IN LIEU OF A GARAGE WE'VE REQUIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, COVERED PARKING OF SOME KIND SO THAT THERE WOULD BE AWNINGS OR PERGOLA IS SOMETHING, SOME SHADE STRUCTURES OR DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE, UM, IT HAS, HAS THAT BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT ANYBODY'S WANTED IT HAS HAD ABOUT, ARE WE JUST SAYING, UH, FOR OUR WARRANTY REALLY THERE'S NO, NO GARAGE REQUIRED JUST PERIOD.
AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO JUST PARK IN A DRIVEWAY ON THE SUN AND THAT'S IT, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING A GARAGE.
UM, BUT NO, WE HAVE NOT HAD SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS REGARDING, UM, AN AWNING, UH, THAT REAR LOADED OR FRONT-LOADED, UH, UM, CAR PORT, IF YOU WILL.
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UM, BUT THAT, THAT MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING AT TOO, IF IT, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL WANT ADDED INTO, WELL, I'M JUST THINKING DEVELOPERS MIGHT NOT BUILD IT UNLESS WE OTHERWISE REQUIRE COVERED, JUST COVERED PARKING, YOU KNOW, SO TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH.I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION ABOUT THAT.
CAUSE THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR EXPLANATION IS THAT IF WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY OUTLINE IT, WE HAD A PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM PUTTING IT INTO CODE, UM, CODIFYING.
SO I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THAT.
LIKE I SAID, JUST ANYTHING THAT WOULD COVER IT, UM, BECAUSE I AGREE JUST HAVING THAT THERE, BUT, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT IN, IN WORKING OUT THESE TOWNHOMES.
AND SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET BUILDERS TO START SUPPLYING THAT IS THIS ITEM UNDER, UM, TIME CRUNCH, SOMEBODY'S WAITING ON THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WAS WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SPOONER TRACT AND THE WATERSTONE THAT RIGHT THERE.
SO, AND THEY HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES.
SO IT WOULD BE, THEY'VE GOT TIME ROUND JUST SAYING THERE THEY'RE A LONG WAY AWAY.
THEY HAVE TO BUILD A WHOLE ROAD AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO ANOTHER TWO WEEKS TO MAYBE TRY TO BRING THIS BACK AND THINK THROUGH FROM, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AN AMENITY WAY, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE STILL KEEP, KEEP SOMETHING IN THERE? THAT'S GOOD FOR RESIDENTS, CUSTOMERS.
MAYOR I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 14, THE FIRST PART OF IT, THE ORDINANCE AMENDING, UM, THE CITY'S, UH, TEXAS PURPOSE OF MODIFYING SUCH AS 41 THROUGH 1 36, UH, THE, UM, UTILITY LOTS WITH THE, UH, AMENDMENT OF, UH, MAKING SURE THE, UH, SORT OF VISION DEVELOPER OR HOA IS REQUIRED TO KEEP IT MOWED.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, FOLLOW UP THE END OF THAT MOTION WITH DIRECTION TO STAFF TO BRING BACK, UH, THE TOWNHOME ORDINANCE MOVED BY COUNCILOR RIZZO, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER AND FORCE KALE THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, PORTION OF THIS ITEM RELATING TO UTILITY LOTS.
AND THAT WE, UH, BRING BACK THE PORTION OF THIS ITEM RELATED TO TOWNHOMES AND GARAGES.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ARE WE ALLOWED TO BREAK IT UP LIKE THAT PAGE, THE EXCEPTION OF, UM, THE ELDERS OR THE HOS BEING RESPONSIBLE IT AND, AND WITH THE HOS BEING RESPONSIBLE AS PER WHAT, AS PER THE DISCUSSION? I APOLOGIZE.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
I GUESS WE CAN'T REALLY FINALLY PASS PASSES.
IT'S STRANGE TO HAVE TWO ITEMS WITH ONE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE.
I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN IT QUITE LIKE THAT BEFORE.
SO I'M GOING TO OBJECT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT ONE JUST IN CASE THAT'S RIGHT.
[15. Consideration and possible action to adopt the concrete washout standard detail attached to this item. ~ Kathy Roecker, Stormwater Management Plan Administrator]
ALL RIGHT.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, CONSIDER AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT THE CONCRETE WASHOUT STANDARD DETAIL ATTACHED TO THIS ITEM.
MAY OR MAY OR PRO TEM COUNCIL, KATHY RAKER STORM WATER PROGRAM FOR THE RECORD.
UM, AFTER LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I WAS TASKED WITH COMING UP WITH A CONCRETE WASHOUT STANDARD DETAIL.
THE ITEM SAYS, CONSIDER AN, UM, POSSIBLE ACTION.
I REALLY, WE DON'T, I GUESS TYPICALLY BRING STANDARD DETAILS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
I DON'T WANT TO STANDARD DETAILS ARE UPDATED OFTEN, SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A HABIT OF ACTUALLY HAVING YOU ALL APPROVE THE STANDARD DETAIL, BUT IT IS ATTACHED IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL.
ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE DO RECOMMEND IN OUR STANDARD DETAIL, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL IS THAT WE RE WE RECOMMEND PREFABRICATED CONCRETE WASH OUT CONTAINERS.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A STANDARD CONCRETE WASH OUT, BUT IT WILL BE, IT WILL MAKE IT SO THAT THERE IS A UNIFIED STANDARD FOR ALL DEVELOPERS TO FOLLOW.
SO UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY HEARTBURN ABOUT THE ONE THAT IS IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL OR COMMENTS, YOU JUST GOING DO IT, BUT YOU DON'T WANT US TO VOTE ON IT.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CUSTOM FORCE CAMP.
I LOVE WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH, UH, THINKING PROGRESSIVELY ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE POPULAR OR COOL.
UM, I GIVE YOU A LOT OF PROPS AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR ME FOR DOING THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE THE ONE THAT PEOPLE MAKE FUN OF, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
AND, UM, I LOVE WHAT YOU BROUGHT AND I THINK, I THINK THE MOST PART IS STUFF THEY'RE ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ENFORCE THAT, CORRECT.
UH, GENERIC NUMBER 16, IT'S BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
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THAT, UH, STAFF REQUESTED IS THE FOLLOWING ONE.IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT ONE UP NOW, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND DISCUSS 16 AND THEN KEEP GOING.
[17. Discussion and possible direction on redesigning layout of Council Chambers to accommodate an ADA accessible lectern. ~ Samantha Armbruster, Director of Communications]
ALL RIGHT.AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 17, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION ON REDESIGNING LAYOUT OF COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO ACCOMMODATE IN ADA ACCESSIBLE LECTERN IS ARMBRUSTER SAMANTHA AND RESEARCHER OF COMMUNICATION.
SO I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS BOX HERE.
I HOPE IT DOESN'T HAVE HIS FEELINGS HURT, BUT BASICALLY WE THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE TIME TO UPGRADE IT.
UH, WE'VE LOOKED INTO HAVING A ADA ACCESSIBLE LECTERN AND IN DOING RESEARCH, WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THE REALLY, THE ONLY WAY FOR COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO ACCOMMODATE ONE IS FOR US TO RELOCATE WHERE THIS LECTERN CURRENTLY SITS TO WHERE, UM, MR. SELLERS AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY SIT DURING THESE MEETINGS.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE WIRED IN.
SO IMAGINE SOMEONE'S GIVING A PRESENTATION LIKE I AM RIGHT NOW, OR COMING TO GIVE CITIZEN COMMENT.
THEY WOULD BE STANDING BEHIND A LECTERN OVER THERE ADDRESSING COUNCIL.
UH, IF THEY WERE PRESENTING TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THEY WOULD ALSO PRESENT FROM THERE AS WELL, LOOKING THIS WAY, OR THEY COULD CHOOSE TO GET UP ON THE DYESS AND PRESENT FROM THERE AS WELL.
SOME, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE CAME INTO, UH, STARTING THIS RESEARCH, IT WAS ABOUT GETTING AN ADA LECTERN AND HOW THAT WORKED.
THERE WOULD BE SOME OTHER BENEFITS TO UPGRADING.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO BRING A PHOTO OR DOCUMENT AND HAVE A DOCUMENT CAMERA.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO UPGRADE AS WELL.
THERE'S A SET OF REASONS FOR IT.
UH, ALSO IN THE NEW LOCATION, IT WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED CAMERA, UH, AND, UH, FRINGE BENEFIT WOULD BE THAT WHENEVER WE HAVE BIG GROUPS, LIKE WE DID EARLIER WITH THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, AND WE WANT TO GET A PHOTO, THIS WOULDN'T BE IN THE WAY.
SO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL.
SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE LECTERN QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CUSTOMER RESULTS.
UM, THANKS A LOT FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M GLAD WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING ADA COMPLIANT, BUT I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE LAYOUT.
THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS IN THIS LAYOUT THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WHEN CITIZENS COME UP HERE, THEY EXPECT TO SEE A SAW HAVING THAT ELECTOR OVER ON THE SIDE.
UH, DOESN'T ALLOW THAT PERSON TALKING TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY UP ON THIS COUNCIL, WE'RE BE BEHOLDING TO THE CITIZENS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT LECTURE IS PUT IN THE MIDDLE FOR A REASON IT'S SARAH, SO THAT THEY CAN LOOK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US IN THE EYE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR JOBS, RIGHT.
WE MOVE OVER TO THE SIDE, WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THAT.
SO I'M, I'M ALL FOR GETTING THE ADA I'M OKAY WITH HAVING SOMETHING BIG THERE.
AND AS LONG AS THE CITIZENS GET TO, UH, MAKE SURE THEIR VOICES ARE HEARD.
AND, UM, SO I'M, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE LAYOUT.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY NO ON THE LAYOUT.
CAN, CAN YOU GIVE US WHY, WHY IT CAN'T BE IN THE MIDDLE? SO IT'S REALLY THE CLEARANCE OF THE APPROACH AND BEING ABLE TO TURN IN AND GET OUT EASILY IN A WHEELCHAIR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LIMITATION OF IT BEING HERE AND EXACTLY WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION IS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.
AND FOLLOWING UP WITH THAT, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM.
WE COULD BRING THE LECTERN UP A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE EVERYBODY A LOT OF ROOM, BUT WE WENT OVER TO THE SIDE.
NOW, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE HAVING TO BRING THEM ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
UM, ARE WE GOING TO DEDICATE CERTAIN SPACES FOR IT AS WELL? YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT A COUPLE OF CHAIRS TO, UH, ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEELCHAIRS TO COME IN AS WELL.
SO SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, BUT REALLY, I, I JUST, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE LAYOUT THAT'S PROPOSED.
I'D LOVE TO SEE IT STAY THE WAY IT IS.
AND I HOPE IT DOES STAY THAT WAY BECAUSE I THINK THE CITIZENS DESERVE IT.
I MIGHT RECOMMEND THIS FROM ROBE CHAIRS, THIS, I MEAN, IT'S FOUR SEATS.
IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE WITH THIS TABLE IN THIS LOCATION.
SO WOULD ADD MORE ROOM TO GET AROUND AND THEN WE CAN JUST KIND OF PULL THE LECTERN OVER JUST SLIGHTLY MAKE SPACE.
HAVE YOU JUST ONE THAT'S EVEN MORE EASY TO MOVE THAN THAT ONE TOO.
CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ONE MOVE IS VERY WELL.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS IT DOESN'T MOVE WELL IS IT IS WIRED IN.
SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO GET A NEW UPGRADED, WE'RE STILL GOING TO ME TO BE OVER ONE OF THESE CIRCULAR BOXES, WHICH THERE'S ONE OVER THERE AS WELL, BUT CAN WE LOOK INTO GETTING A WIRELESS? AND I WISH MATT WAS HERE FROM IT.
UM, BUT WHEN I, WE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THE ISSUE WITH THE WIRELESS IS THAT THE AUDIO AND THE VIDEO ISN'T QUITE AS COMMITTED.
AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS A, AN ISSUE OR THERE COULD BE AN ISSUE WITH THE QUALITY IN NOT ONLY BROADCAST, BUT ALSO IN THE CHAMBERS IF IT'S NOT WIRED IN.
CAUSE I'M, I'M WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO.
I LIKE TO HAVE THEM IN THE MIDDLE.
I THINK WE COULD TAKE OUT SOME OF THOSE CHAIRS.
I THINK THERE'S JUST A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE CAN
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DO.SO WE'RE NOT MOVING THE PODIUM AND MOVING EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND.
I THINK THE CHAIRS ARE A BIG ISSUE.
UM, I ALSO AGREE THAT I'M ALL FOR ADA, UM, COMPLIANT IN, IN INDI, UM, ACCESSIBLE, UH, I JUST LIKE THE PODIUM IN THE MIDDLE.
I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AND I THINK COMING OVER HERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER AND IT'S JUST REALLY JUST US THREE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
UH, SO I I'M, I FEEL LIKE NO AS WELL, THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK.
AND IF THERE, IF, IF, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IF THERE IS COMFORT WITH US MOVING THE CHAIRS, CAUSE THAT COULD GIVE US MORE ROOM AND ALLOW US TO KEEP IT HERE.
SO THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
I DEFINITELY THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, SCOTT, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR THINKING ABOUT THE ADA PEOPLE.
I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR THAT CONCEPT OF, OF BEING MORE INCLUSIVE, ALLOWING EVERYBODY TO COME AND PARTICIPATE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I GUESS WHEN I SAW IT, IT KIND OF BOTHERED ME BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE IN OUR, IN OUR PRIORITY LIST AND ALLOWING THEM TO INTERACT WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US ON THIS DIET IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME.
SO, UM, I GUESS IT'S A LAYOUT THAT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH, BUT THE ADA, ADA COMPLIANCE TAKEN OUT A COUPLE OF ROLLS OF SHERIFFS.
I'M GOOD WITH IT, BUT UH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
[VII. Executive Session]
FIGURE WE SHOULD GO INTO EXACT, WE STILL HAVE THE OTHER ITEM TO DEAL WITH, UH, PLUS THIS ITEM AND THEN COME TO REMEMBER A FLOORS KILLS ITEM IT'S JUST RELATED TO COUNCIL SO WE CAN LET STAFF LEAVE.THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT.
UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION, ANYONE WANTS TO READ IT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 5, 5, 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
THE CITY COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REBATE TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FROM TIME TO TIME AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
DURING THIS MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOW CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ANY LAWFUL EXCEPTION CONTAINED IN CHAPTER 5, 5, 1 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING TOPICS, AGENDA ITEM 16.
AND WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE, SCOTT FOR POSTERS, UM, PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITTLE LITIGATION, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO SECTION 5, 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 PER LAKES, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROPOSED CITY TEACHERS.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THERE WILL BE NO ACTION TAKEN NOW NEXT
[18. Discussion of city trips. ~ Yvonne Flores-Cale, Council Member]
UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, DISCUSSION OF CITY TRIPS, CUSTOMER FLOORS KILL.SO, UM, WHEN I FIRST JOINED COUNCIL, I WASN'T TOO SURE WHAT THE WHOLE SITUATION ENTAILED, I GUESS.
UM, AND RIGHT AWAY THERE WAS TALK OF GOING TO THIS VISION WORKSHOP.
AND I KNEW IT WAS REALLY, UM, SOME PEOPLE RESIDENTS GOT MAD CAUSE WE WERE GOING AND IT WAS CONTROVERSIAL.
BUT, UM, I QUICKLY REALIZED AFTER THAT THE TRIPS THAT WE TAKE ARE CONTROVERSIAL AND I ALSO LEARNED THAT THERE'S NO PROCESS FOR IT.
SO I JUST REQUESTED A LIST OF, OF TRIPS TAKEN JUST TO SEE HOW IT PANS OUT AND, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING ON THESE TRIPS AND, AND, AND HOW WE CAN BENEFIT THEM.
SO, UM, REALLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS JUST FOR US TO CREATE SOME KIND OF PROCESS WHERE WE DECIDE COLLECTIVELY, UM, WHO'S GOING ON, WHAT TRIP, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, WHY, AND, UH, MAYBE WHEN THEY GET BACK AND THEY CAN EVEN DISCUSS IT.
AND, UH, I'VE BEEN TOLD BY SOME PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT THAT IS NECESSARY.
UM, AND, AND MY THEORY ON THAT IS IF YOU'RE SPENDING TAXPAYERS MONEY, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO DISCUSS THAT TRIP WHERE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING, AT LEAST SHARE IT WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE DIOCESE.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING OVERALL AT THE, AT THE TRIPS MADE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE TAKEN LIKE SEVEN TRIPS AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE TAKEN ONE, AND THESE ARE TRIPS THAT ARE TAKEN OUTSIDE OF LIKE A VISION WORKSHOP OR A TML CLASS THAT I THINK THOSE KIND OF THINGS DON'T REALLY HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED.
BUT SOME PLACES THAT PEOPLE HAVE GONE IS LIKE OKLAHOMA INDIANA TO INCLUDE MYSELF, FLORIDA, WASHINGTON, DC NASHVILLE.
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I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THESE TRIPS, UM, TO INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL CARBONYL TRIP, UM, THAT WAS TAKEN, I THINK A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE THE ONE THAT WE TOOK.UM, AND WHEN I SAY WE, I MEAN ME AND I THINK IT WAS DEX AND ROBERT OH, WENT TO CARMEL INDIANA.
SO, UM, WE ALL LEARNED, I THINK, A GREAT DEAL FROM THOSE TRIPS.
UM, I KNOW I LEARNED ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS AND HOW GREAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE AFTERWARDS.
CAUSE INITIALLY I WAS NOT FEELING IT.
UM, BUT THEN SEEING IT IN ACTION AND SEEING IT WORK, I FELT LIKE, OKAY, GOOD.
UM, BUT I THINK SINCE WE ALL KIND OF WENT AT DIFFERENT TIMES THAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE WE ALL HAD A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT SAID, WHEN THERE'S TRIPS TAKEN TO PLACES LIKE WASHINGTON DC, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SIT AND PICK PEOPLE'S BRAINS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THEY LEARNED AND HOW THEY BENEFITED FROM THAT, THAT TRIP I AM RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S JUST NOT A PROCESS FOR THAT.
SO I, I, I DIDN'T, I'M NOT THE ONE TO MAKE THESE KINDS OF, UM, PROCESSES AND JUST KIND OF NOT KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY'S INPUT ON, UM, HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED EQUALLY AND BE ABLE TO OPENLY COMMUNICATE ABOUT THE TRIPS THAT WE TAKE AND SHARE THE INFORMATION WAS NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS, BUT WITH EACH OTHER.
UH, AND SO WE CAN ALL LEARN THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO BE IS AT WORK AND HE CAN'T GO, OR MAYBE I'M AT WORK AND I CAN'T GO.
UM, NONETHELESS, I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT WASHINGTON'S LIKE.
I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT AND I STILL WANT TO KNOW, UM, WHAT YOU LEARNED.
SO I ASKED, GOT TO PUT IT ON HERE SO WE CAN KIND OF HOPEFULLY OF CREATE SOMETHING THAT HAS SOME KIND OF, UM, I GUESS, NORMALCY, UH, REGARDING A PROCESS AND HOW WE TAKE THESE TRIPS.
I THINK I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS.
I THINK FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY, IT'S NOT REALLY A TRIP BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT A TRIP, UM, I'M THINKING ABOUT MY FAMILY.
I'M THINKING ABOUT GOING AND VISITING LOCATIONS.
IT'S MORE LIKE GOING AWAY TO VISIT A LOCATION FOR BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S WHY I KNOW YOU DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING BY TRIP, BUT YEAH, WELL KIND OF, YEAH, IT'S I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS A, AS A TRAVEL I SEE AS A WORKING MEETING USUALLY, BUT I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WHEN WE, WHEN COUNCIL DOES GO ON THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WORK MEETINGS, THEY DO PICK UP VALUABLE INFORMATION.
I THINK WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER KILZ IS TRYING TO SAY IS HOW DO WE SHARE THAT? HOW CAN WE SHARE THAT VALUABLE INFORMATION? YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE SHE'S GETTING AT WITH THIS IS HOW ARE WE ABLE TO SHARE THE PROCESS OR WHATEVER WE INFORMATION WE PICKED UP ON THESE, UH, VACATION, UM, NAVIGATION, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT?
LET'S SAY, WELL, THESE WORK SESSIONS.
SO HOW DO, HOW DO WE, UM, HOW DO WE SHARE THAT INFORMATION? BECAUSE SOME OF THE KNOWLEDGE WE PICK UP IS VERY VALUABLE AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM IT.
EVERYONE ON COUNCIL COULD BENEFIT OF IT.
HOW DO WE CREATE A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN SHARE THAT? YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO KNOCK SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT CITIES DO DOWN, BUT HONESTLY, THE INFORMATION YOU PICK UP IN, IN SPEAKING WITH OTHER LEADERS, PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE IS REALLY INVALUABLE.
I MEAN, IT'S VALUABLE THE VALUE ON IT HAS NO PRICE ON IT BECAUSE IT'S GREAT.
THE GOOD THING IS WE DO DO THINGS AT AN ECONOMICAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, BUT STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SHARE THAT WITH COUNCIL SAID THAT KNOWLEDGE DOESN'T STAY WITH A COLLECTIVE, PHEW.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S LOOKING FOR AS A PROCESS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION, UM, BE A CITY MANAGER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I PICKED UP, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN I WAS IN INDIANA, AGAIN, I WAS A BIG PROPONENT GIVES ROUNDABOUTS TO SEE THEM WORK AT THAT LEVEL.
IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY MIND BLOWING, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A PROCESS SOMEWHERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SHE'S REACHING OUT TO, TO FIND A WAY TO CREATE A PROCESS WHERE WE CAN SHARE THAT REALLY NOT TO BE A COP OUT AT ALL.
UH, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE COUNCIL, UH, NEGOTIATED POLICIES FOR COUNCIL BY COUNCIL.
SO, BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE GONE ON AN EXPLORATORY TRIP, UH, TO SEE EITHER ROUNDABOUTS OR DIFFERENT ZONING USES, TALK TO LOBBYISTS, ET CETERA, WE HAVE COME BACK WITH AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE.
AND SO THE TRIP ITSELF MAY NOT BE SHARED IN THE, LIKE A TRAVEL LOG.
UH, BUT IT'S SHARED IN THE RESULTS THAT WE BRING FORWARD.
SO THE VIBE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
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REALLY AMALGAM OF, OF THE, THE CARAMEL TRIPS AND THE PEACHTREE CITY TRIPS AND TASK TASKFORCE WHERE WE'RE ON THOSE TRIPS.WE CAME BACK AND WE CREATED SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPER SPECIAL, RIGHT.
WE CAME BACK AND DEVELOPED A ROUNDABOUT POLICY.
UH WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR TERMS POLICY.
SO EVERY ONE OF THESE, THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO ISN'T NECESSARILY COME BACK AND TRAVEL LOG IT'S.
WE GO BACK AND WE IMMEDIATELY START PUTTING IT INTO SOME SORT OF A PROJECT OR A PLAN OR A FORM OF ACTION BRADSHAW.
UH, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MARISSA FOR, UM, CLARIFYING.
AND I LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
I THINK THAT I I'M NOT NECESSARILY, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO IN THE EXTREME OF HAVING A POLICY OR PROCESS IN PLACE, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK JUST IMPROVING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH ONE ANOTHER AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS COULD BE A GOOD WAY TO HELP SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT WE'RE HELD TO A, A QUORUM.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH IT.
AS YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE QUORUM AS WELL.
SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN SHARE THIS KNOWLEDGE AND I'M THINKING MAYBE THERE'S A WAY WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS COME BACK, TAKE NOTES AND SHARE IT MAYBE WITH CITY MANAGER OR SOMETHING, AND WE'RE ABLE TO BRING THAT MESSAGE OUT TO EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WAS LOOKING AT IT IS WAY TO BRING THAT KNOWLEDGE OR WHAT ARE RESULTS FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT JUNCTURE WERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF HOW I, SO THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TRIPS THAT WE TAKE.
SO SOME, UH, ONE TRIP MIGHT BE TML OR THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES OR A PLANNING CONFERENCE.
UM, UH, CITY MANAGER'S GONE ON EXCURSION TRIPS WITH GSMP OR THE AUSTIN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN CITY CITY COORDINATED TRIPS TO EXCURSIONS, TO OTHER CITIES, UH, THAT INCLUDES STAFF.
SOME THAT JUST ARE, UH, COUNCIL FOCUS WITH COUNCIL OBJECTIVES.
UH, SO, AND THEN NOT EVERY TRIP INVOLVES AN OVERNIGHT STAY.
SO I WAS, I SAW THE LIST AS WELL, AND IT WAS VERY INCOMPLETE BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE TRIPS THAT I'VE BEEN ON OVER THE COURSE OF THAT TIME, WHERE I DROVE AND CAME BACK.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY GAINED INSIGHT THERE.
IT JUST DIDN'T REACH THE LEVEL OF A FLIGHT OR A HOTEL.
MY THOUGHT OF DELINEATING MIGHT BE TO SAY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY KIND OF OFFICIAL EXCURSION WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING WITH STAFF FOR A SPECIFIC REASON AND ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN GO, UH, THAT WE COULD CREATE SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, RULE WHETHER FORMAL OR INFORMAL TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, EXCURSION TRIPS, WE CAN GIVE SUMMARIES OF FINDINGS OR FACTS, UH, FROM THOSE TRIPS.
BUT TO SAY THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO A CONFERENCE IN PARTICULAR THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND REPORT TO COUNCIL, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NEW, NEW, UH, NEW ELECTED, OFFICIAL ORIENTATION THAT'S COMING UP.
I THINK IN FEBRUARY, UH, THAT I JUST SAW THE EMAIL.
I DON'T EXPECT THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE TO BE BRIEFED FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WENT THERE.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE TAKING A TRIP TO RALEIGH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO SEE PARTICULAR, UH, YOU KNOW, ITEMS OF INTEREST TO THE COUNCIL, AS IT RELATES TO FUTURE DECISIONS, THEN THERE'S NO WRONG.
WE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH DO THAT.
ANYWAY, WE DO VERY OPENLY SHARE ABOUT THOSE TRIPS.
AND WE'VE, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE TRIPS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED PUBLICLY, BUT WE CAN, WE COULD FORMALIZE THAT IN A, IN A, IN A WAY OF PROVIDING, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, WHERE, UH, SOMEONE ON THE TRIP OR ARE, THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT TOOK PLACE AND, AND WHAT WAS LEARNED.
UH, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS CUSTOMER TOBIA.
I THINK THE ONLY TRIP OR WORK TRIP THAT I'VE TAKEN WAS THE, UH, PEACH TREE.
AND, UM, I DID GAIN A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE IT'S FROM SOMEBODY WHO CAME FROM AUSTIN AND WANTED TO LOOK AT FINALLY GETTING A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.
IT WAS REALLY A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR ME TO GO SEE ANOTHER CITY IN ANOTHER STATE ON HOW THEIR TRAIL SYSTEM WORK.
AND WE DID BRING BACK A PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE DID AND WHAT WE LEARNED, AND WE ALL GAVE OUR OWN PERSPECTIVES OF THAT.
SO THERE ARE TRIPS THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED, BUT I SEE WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING ON THESE EXCURSIONS OR SO FORTH, A REPORT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THE COUNCIL AND BROUGHT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I, AND COUNCILMAN NELSON, OF COURSE, WE ALL TOOK OUR OWN SEPARATE CARS, BUT WE WENT TO GO VISIT THE HAYES COUNTY WOMEN'S SHELTER.
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ARE WE GOING TO REPORT ON THAT AS WELL? EVEN THOUGH IT WAS JUST DOWN THE ROAD, UH, SO HOW SPECIFIC LIKE TRAVIS, UM, MAYOR MITCHELL SAYS, HOW SPECIFIC ARE WE GOING TO BE THEN IF IT'S CONFERENCE OR A CLASS I DECIDED TO TAKE, LIKE I DID BACK IN JULY WITH A TML OVERVIEW OF THE LEGISLATION, UM, AM I GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT THERE? SO I GUESS IT'S JUST SOME PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND DECIDE WHAT, WHAT TRIPS WOULD BE CONSIDERED, SOMETHING TO WHERE WE NEED TO BRING FORWARD.OR IF IT'S SOMETHING FOR ME TO TAKE A TRAINING CLASS, DO I NEED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, HEY, I TOOK A TRAINING CLASS AT TML AND THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT KIND OF THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO, IF NOT, THEN, THEN LET'S, LET'S DESIGN A PLAN TO WHERE, IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO END UP GOING TO A CORPORATE CORPORATES OR WE'RE GOING TO TRAVEL TO PHOENIX OR SOME OTHER STATE, THEN WE'LL JUST PUT IT, MAKE IT A ON THE CITY'S MANAGERS REPORT.
THIS WAS THE TRIP THAT WE TOOK, AND THIS WAS WHAT WE LEARNED.
AND THIS IS THE PEOPLE WHO CAME, AND THIS IS HOW LONG WE STAYED.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GET REALLY DETAILED ON THAT, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO AT.
AND I WAS VERY CLEAR IN THE BEGINNING THAT I SAID, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TML TRIPS AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE VISION WORKSHOP I'M BEING SPECIFIC.
I'M NOT SURE WHY PEOPLE ARE PRETENDING.
LIKE, I DIDN'T SAY THAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO COOL DOWN BECAUSE I'M GETTING REALLY ANNOYED AT THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY IS MAKING THIS A MUCH BIGGER DEAL THAN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT IT WAS.
UM, BECAUSE A, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO, WELL AT THE SAME POINT HAS BEEN BEATEN DOWN THREE TIMES.
AND I ADDRESSED THAT IN MY INITIAL, MY INITIAL, UH, OPENING WHEN I SAID, HEY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TML AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE VISION WORKSHOP.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN PEOPLE GO TO, FOR EXAMPLE, FORT MYERS, FLORIDA, AND I DIDN'T KNOW, OR WHEN PEOPLE GO TO WASHINGTON DC TWICE, AND I DIDN'T KNOW, OR WHEN I LEARNED THAT EVERYBODY WENT TO, OR THREE PEOPLE WENT TO PEACHTREE CITY, GEORGIA.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW, I MEAN, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING.
AND IF I WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS, THEN MAYBE DURING SCOTT'S MANAGER'S REPORT, HE CAN BE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
AND SO THAT WAY WE ALL GET TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF THREE PEOPLE ARE GOING AGAIN, I CAN NOT GO ASK YOU GUYS.
WELL, TH THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE THERE.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO COME TO THAT SAME CONCLUSION WITH YOU.
SO, SO, SO HERE, HERE WOULD BE A PROPOSAL AND EXCURSION IS DEFINED AS ANY TRIP WHERE WE TAKE THAT INCLUDES A HOTEL OR A FLIGHT THAT IS NOT A DESTINATION THAT INVOLVES A CONFERENCE IN THAT EVENT.
UH, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BRING FORWARD A REPORT OUTLINING THE TRIP THAT WAS TAKEN, OR IF THE CITY MANAGER WAS NOT A PART OF THAT TRIP, IT WOULD BE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHICHEVER COUNCIL MEMBER BROUGHT THAT FORWARD AS A POLICY TO BRING IT, BRING IT UP PUBLICLY AND DISCUSS, UH, THE TRIP THAT WAS TAKEN AND WHAT WAS LEARNED.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LITERALLY GOING.
AND THAT'S YEAH, I WISH THAT WAS SPOKEN IN THE BEGINNING.
ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO COLLECTIVELY PICK PEOPLE TO GO ON TRIPS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN SOMEONE'S TAKING DOUBLE, TRIPLE MORE THAN OTHER PEOPLE, AND IT'S NOT LIKE I WAS ASKED AND I SAID, NO, IT WAS JUST NEVER BROUGHT UP.
SO I WAS TOLD PRIOR TO WHY WANT YOU TO JUST ASK? AND I SAID, HOW DO I ASK IF I DON'T KNOW NOW THIS IS NOT A MEETING THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW CERTAIN, CERTAIN PEOPLE TAKE MEETINGS EVERY YEAR THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
HEY, WHEN IS ROBERT RIZZO GOING TO BE IN FLORIDA? WHEN IS THAT TRIP BEING TAKEN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE, LIKE, WHY, FIRST OF ALL, YOU EVEN HAVE TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE A TEAM WE WORK COLLECTIVELY, RIGHT.
SO WHY WOULD WE NOT BE CHOOSING WHO'S GOING ON THESE TRIPS? WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT? I THINK THOSE WERE PART OF WHEN THOSE TASKFORCE OR, UM, OPERATING AND, UM, AND AGAIN, WE NO LONGER HAVE THEM, BUT I GUESS GOING FORWARD IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MAYOR MITCHELL SAID, IF ANYBODY IS GOING TO GO ON A TRIP OR GO ON A SCOURGING THAT HE WOULD BRING IT UP DURING THE MANAGER'S MEETING.
AND AS FAR AS CHOOSING, IT COULD BE JUST WHO'S AVAILABLE GOING FROM THERE, IF IT MAY HAVE TO AFFECT THEIR DISTRICT OR
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JUST THEIR AREA, OR IF SOMEBODY, UH, IS INTERESTED.AND I THINK IT JUST COULD BE A MATTER OF THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WITH MY WORK SCHEDULE, IT'S, IT'S SOMETIMES VERY HARD FOR ME TO PRETTY MUCH MAKE MEETINGS AFTER I ACTUALLY BEFORE TWO O'CLOCK AND TO BE ALL FAIR.
SO I DON'T REALLY DWELL ON A LOT OF LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I COULD HAVE, I WISH I COULD HAVE GONE TO THE TRIP, BUT, UH, I DO MY BEST, BUT IF I CAN'T GO AND I'M NOT ABLE TO GO, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU, I HAVE TO GET UP AND GO TO WORK.
SO I'M NOT ABLE TO TAKE TRIPS, BUT I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST BE OFFERED OR HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO WASHINGTON, UH, AT LEAST ONCE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, OUR LOBBYISTS CAN PROVIDE FOR US.
UM, I THINK EVERYBODY MIGHT WANT TO GO, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS CHOSEN, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WENT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS LOOKED.
SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP.
CAUSE I THINK TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY SITTING ON HERE THAT WE MAKE SOME KIND OF PROCESS, OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT.
CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROCESS.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
SO EVERYBODY GETS THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND THIS WAS A REAL CONCERN OF MINE DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP.
AND YOUR RESPONSE WAS ANYONE THAT WANTS TO GO, SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO.
I WAS LIKE, THAT IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT THAT IS NOT BEEN THE OPPORTUNITY FURTHER DISCUSSION DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL COLLECTIVELY AGREE THAT IF THERE ARE TRIPS TAKEN, IT'S AT LEAST MENTIONED IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT, LIKE, HEY, YVONNE WENT TO ST.
LOUIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, SHE LEARNED THIS AND THIS AND JUST KIND OF DO A LITTLE SYNOPSIS AND I'M GOING TO BE HONEST.
PART OF THIS ALSO HAS TO DO WITH BEING A LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK WHAT WE DO WHEN WE GO ON THESE TRIPS IS A BIG DEAL.
AND I THINK WE LEARN AND WE GAIN INFORMATION, BUT WHEN WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BEING SNEAKY.
I MEAN, ALL OF US EVERYBODY'S SITTING UP HERE, THEY THINK JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
SO PART OF BREAKING THAT STIGMA IS JUST BEING FORWARD WITH IT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SCOTT DOING IT DURING HIS MANAGER'S REPORT IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S JUST SCOTT, GIVE IT A LITTLE RECAP.
SO AS FAR AS LIKE TRIPS TAKEN, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO AS FAR AS CHOOSING, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK, UH, TOBY HAS HAD A GREAT IDEA WHEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF IT AFFECTS YOUR DISTRICT OR, UM, WHOEVER'S AVAILABLE ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST TAKING, YOU KNOW, A NAME OUT OF A HAT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF, UM, GUIDELINES FOR THAT WE COULD JUST DO ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND THEN YOU JUST GO AROUND.
I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT FAIR.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE UGLY AND UH, YOU KNOW, NO DOUBT, I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE, YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T BE TAKING TRIPS ANYWAYS.
BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS I KNOW THE TRIPS THAT WE'VE TAKEN, WE HAVE ALL LEARNED SOMETHING.
AND SO I'M WILLING TO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, AND IF SOMEONE'S REALLY THAT UPSET THAT FEEL FREE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT I LEARNED SCOTT, COULD WE, UH, JUST AUTHORIZE OR JUST TO GIVE DIRECTIONS TO STAFF, TO WHERE GOING FORWARD, ANY TRIPS THAT ARE MADE, UH, OR EXCURSIONS THAT THEY JUST BE ADDED TO THE MANAGER'S REPORT, UH, AND WITH JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW, AND AS FAR AS THE PROCESS OF WHO GOES, IT COULD BE JUST A OPEN CALL WHO'S AVAILABLE OR JUST, I DON'T KNOW, GIVING SUGGESTIONS.
SO I KIND OF LIKED THE REPORT, UM, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER
AND IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, HE'S WELCOME TO NOT OBLIGATED.
UH, BUT HAVING TO REPORT REALLY HELPS JUST TO GIVE SINCE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I LIKE SHARING, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME I LEARNED ANYTHING YOU COMING BACK AND IT'S EXCITING AND BEING ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, AND I GUESS THE DIOCESE IS PROBABLY THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN DO IT, YOU KNOW,
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MAYOR PRO TEM.WELL, UH, I JUST WANT TO HIT ON THE PICKING PART OF THE TRIPS BECAUSE I THINK SOME TRIPS HAPPEN WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKED TO GO, AND THEN THERE'S SOME TRIPS THAT HAPPEN, UH, THAT OUR COUNCIL, UH, INITIATED.
I TOOK A TRIP LAST DECEMBER, UH, TO A MAGICAL PLACE CALLED EDMOND, OKLAHOMA.
AND, UM, I WENT THERE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN ELLISON AND WE WENT THERE ON OUR OWN AND IT WAS A FACT FINDING MISSION BECAUSE THE VENDOR THAT BOUGHT THE SAME CHRISTMAS, UH, LIGHTS AS US, UH, ALSO BOUGHT FOR THEIR CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL IN, IN EDMOND.
AND, UH, THEY HAD RECEIVED A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA BUZZ FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THEM.
AND WE DECIDED TO GO UP THERE, UH, CAUSE WE HAD A SMALL WINDOW OF TIME TO DO THAT AND TO GO AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH THEIR CHRISTMAS LIGHTING.
WE MET WITH THEIR MAYOR PRO TEM, THEIR MAYOR, SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND WE BROUGHT BACK A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT INSTEAD OF JUST SHARING INFORMATION AND MAKING IT KIND OF A, A SHOW AND TELL THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE TRIPS ARE ABOUT FOR, FOR ME, THEY'RE ABOUT BRINGING BACK DELIVERABLES TO THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST TALKING ABOUT A TRIP AFTER HAPPENS, BUT SOMETIMES STRATEGICALLY IT'S NOT THE BEST IDEA TO DO RIGHT AWAY.
UH, BUT WHAT DOES MATTER IS THAT THE CITIZENS GET SOMETHING, UH, FOR THE DOLLAR ON THOSE TRIPS.
AND SO, UH, WE BROUGHT BACK, UH, PLANS THAT WE SHARED WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND, UM, WE EVEN HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING WITH EDMOND, OKLAHOMA, AS WE ARE PURCHASING MORE AND MORE LIGHTS FROM THE SAME VENDOR, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO BECOME A SISTER CITY WHEN IT COMES TO SHARING IN THESE BIG 3D ORNAMENTS THAT WE'VE PURCHASED FOR THIS YEAR.
AND, UH, WE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT THAT, WHERE, UM, YOU HAVE THESE REALLY HUGE ORNAMENTS, THESE 3D ORNAMENTS THAT STANDING IN THESE, IN THE LAWNS AND AFTER A WHILE THEY BECOME STALE.
AND SO WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE WOULD BUY A CERTAIN KIND, THEY WOULD BUY A CERTAIN KIND AND AFTER A FEW YEARS WE COULD TRADE THEM OUT AND USE THEM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE NEW LOOKS, BUT WE BOTH PURCHASED THEM THE SAME WAY, UH, WHICH IS WE BUY THEM OUTRIGHT.
WE DON'T LEASE THEM AND WE GET THEM AT THE CHEAPEST PRICE POSSIBLE.
UH, WE ALSO LEARN WHAT THEIR PAIN, THE VENDOR FOR THAT, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST PRICE.
SO THERE'S LIKE A MULTITUDE OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN GET FROM THEM.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST TALKING ABOUT IT, DOESN'T MAKE THE TRIP OKAY.
IN MY BOOK, UM, BRINGING BACK TO ROLES, LEARNING SOMETHING, AND THEN DELIVERING ON THAT, UH, IS WHAT MATTERS FOR THE CITY.
AND SO, UH, THAT WAS A ONE NIGHT TRIP.
UH, I THINK WE DID THAT IN LIKE 24 HOURS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON, UH, WE VISITED TWO CITIES AND WE THAT, UH, EDMUND AND, UH, IT WAS LIKE CHICKASHA, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT GREAT TRIP, UH, LEARNED A LOT.
AND, UH, DECEMBER 1ST YOU WERE GOING TO SEE, UH, THE RE UH, THE, UM, FRUIT THAT WAS BORN FROM THAT, FROM THAT TRIP.
I LIKE THAT STORY I DID THAT WAS LIKE TO KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE'RE GETTING OUR, OUR ORNAMENTS IN OUR SQUARE.
AND SO AGAIN, I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN US JUST DISCUSSING THAT.
IT TOOK YOU LISTEN, WHAT, FOUR MINUTES.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THE WEEK AFTER WE GOT FROM THAT TRIP IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN ALMOST A YEAR LATER.
AND THE DELIVERABLE OF THAT AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING RIGHT OFF THE BAT, AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BRING THINGS BACK, TALK TO CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT YOU GOTTA BE STRATEGIC IN YOUR PLANNING FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US SHOULD TAKE, UH, WASTED TRIPS.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US DO THIS IS NOT A COUNCIL THAT I'VE, I'VE SEEN DO, THAT THEY TAKE THE TRIPS WITH MEANING AND THEY BRING SOMETHING BACK.
AND I'VE SEEN YOU DO THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY YOU WENT TO CARAMEL AGAIN, RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST GROUP OF THE CARAMEL, BECAUSE THERE WAS OBVIOUS VALUE THAT WE WERE SEEING FROM THAT, UM, AND THE ENTIRE COUNCIL NEEDED TO GO.
AND NOW WE'VE HAD DEVELOPERS FROM THIS TOWN TAKE TRIPS TO CARAMEL AS WELL BECAUSE OF THAT SHARED VALUE AND ARE COMING
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BACK.AND WE'RE CHANGING THE WAY THAT DEVELOPING OUR TRAIL SYSTEM, UH, FROM THAT, AND PARTIALLY FROM PEACHTREE CITY AS WELL.
UM, AND AS FAR AS DC GOES, UM, WHEN THEY SAID WITH THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, UM, YOU SHOULD GO AND MEET WITH THE, THE LOBBYIST GROUP.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OUT OF IT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S UP TO YOU AND YOUR SCHEDULE AND WHAT YOU CAN DO, AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE ACCOMMODATING TO THAT AS WELL.
BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SCOTT SAYING I'M GOING UP THERE AND DO YOU WANT TO COME? I THINK YOU GOT TO TAKE THAT FIRST STEP, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ON THE NEXT TRIP TO DC.
SO AGAIN, LIKE IF I HAD NOT BROUGHT THIS UP, LIKE YOU JUST TOLD YOUR STORY, RIGHT.
AND YOU'RE LIKE, IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING.
AND I FEEL LIKE AS LONG AS THERE'S A PLAN TO DISCUSS IN THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED, I THINK WE'RE OKAY.
I'M NOT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE NEXT WEEK, BUT IF I WOULD'VE NEVER PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT STORY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TO BE FAIR.
IT MIGHT'VE NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ME.
I THINK AGAIN, THE RESIDENCY TO HEAR THIS, UM, WE GET A LOT OF FLACK AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER HOW GREAT THAT SQUARE IS GOING TO BE, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT, IT WILL BE, THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE THAT QUESTION IT.
AND BECAUSE YOU COULD SAY I'VE SEEN IT, IT WORKS.
IT WAS OVER HERE AND TELL YOUR STORY AND THEN THE RESIDENTS GET A BETTER IDEA.
THEY DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING ALL WILLY NILLY WITH.
I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE THINK ROUNDABOUTS ARE RIDICULOUS.
AND TO AN EXTENT I CAN KIND OF UNDER, I CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, BUT UNLESS I WOULD HAVE WENT TO INDIANA AND SAW THOSE THEM IN ACTION THERE, I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN, I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED IT.
SO AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK.
WE NEED TO SHARE WHEN YOU JUST SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE SAW, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.
EVEN LIKE, SAY, HEY, WATCH THIS VIDEO.
BUT I THINK THERE IS A VIDEO ON, IN CARMEL INDIANA ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUTS.
BUT, UM, IT'S, THIS IS NOT ABOUT CALLING ANYBODY OUT.
AND I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER ARGUMENT, BUT IT WASN'T, IT WAS, HEY, LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS THIS, LET'S PUT IT ON THE TABLE AND LET'S FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION.
AND I THINK MAYOR MITCHELL CAME UP WITH THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS IN THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE SECOND ONE THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW WITH DECIDING, UH, PERSONALLY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THE SECOND ONE OF HAVING SOME SORT OF METHOD OF DETERMINING WHO GOES ON TRIPS, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BE, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WASHINGTON DC TRIP, WHAT SEEMS TO BE OF A PARTICULAR, UH, YOU KNOW, ISSUE WITH YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT HASN'T BEEN A SITUATION.
I WOULDN'T WANT HIM TO GO TO PEACHTREE, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT JUST WASHINGTON.
IT'S, IT'S JUST IN GENERAL TO SEE THE THINGS THAT THEY SAW.
AND I, AND I GET IT AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEND ALL TAXPAYERS MONEY ON ME GOING TO VISIT, BUT WE GOT, WE GOT WHAT WE CALL THE VIBE FROM IT.
UM, AND, AND SO LET'S APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND I, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING UP AND, AND, AND EVEN JUST AN EMAIL, HEY, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING THIS WEEK.
I DON'T WANT TO LEARN FROM A MONDAY MEETING MANAGER'S REPORT THAT THREE PEOPLE TOOK A TRIP AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH IT, BUT I REALLY DO PREFER TO KNOW, BECAUSE IT STARTS OFF AS MONDAY MEETING AND THEN MAYBE RIZZO COMES BACK AND TELLS HIS NEIGHBOR AND RUSSO'S NEIGHBOR TELLS ME, DID YOU KNOW, WHERE'S A WIT AND I'M JUST LIKE, I DIDN'T, UM, I'M TRYING TO THROW A BONE HERE TO HELP GET SOME PART OF THE POLICY CHANGED.
I'M NOT SAYING THERE HAS TO BE A PROCEDURE, BUT MAYBE IF WE COULD JUST UPDATE, IF SCOTT CAN SEND AN UPDATE AND SAY THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING, OR, UM, YEAH.
I, I DON'T AGREE WITH, WITH IT BEING, BEING A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU SHOULD BE FOREWARNED BEFORE TRIP.
I GUESS IF I CALLED IT A FOUR WARNING, I CAN UNDERSTAND, BUT I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO KNOW, BUT I'M WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, AS IT RELATES TO, IF WE TAKE EXCURSIONS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT WE SHARE THAT COMMON BENEFIT BECAUSE WE CAN'T ALL GO.
EVEN IF EVERYONE'S AVAILABLE ALL SEVEN OF US, IT'S NOT WISE FOR ALL SEVEN OF US TO GO TO PASTRY.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO ON THAT TRIP, YOU KNOW? SO WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SUGGEST IS THAT AS IT RELATES TO A POLICY, ANYTIME THAT WE TRAVEL THAT'S RELATED OVERNIGHT, OR HAS HOTEL STAY, THAT'S NOT A PART OF A CONFERENCE THAT, UH, AT THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING DURING THE CITY MANAGERS REPORT THAT IT BE DISCUSSED AND THERE CAN BE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WAS LEARNED, UM, THAT PROVIDES FOR WHAT YOU YOU'RE SAYING IS TRANSPARENCY.
UM, UM, I DON'T PERSONALLY SEE THAT AS TRANSPARENCY, BUT I DO SEE THAT AS BENEFICIAL TO THE GROUP, WHICH I DO, I DO THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
UH, AND IT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, UH, AT LEAST THE KNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING ON TRIPS THAT YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME,
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BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS I THINK THAT, THAT WE, WE REALLY NEED TO GO, OKAY, I'LL TAKE IT.UH, IT'S REALLY NOT EMOTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER IS NOT ALWAYS AWARE OF EVERY TRIP.
SO IT REALLY IS A POLICY SITUATION.
SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW YOU, YOU, THERE'S NO REALLY DIRECTION TO GIVE.
UH, SO IT'S JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO DO? WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING FORWARD THOSE TRIPS, BUT AN UNDERSTANDING THAT HE HAS TO BE AWARE OF IT THAT'S OKAY.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO, UH, PROVIDE A BRIEF SUMMARY ON ANY TRIPS TAKEN BY COUNCIL, UH, THAT ARE, UH, THAT INCLUDE, UH, EITHER AN OVERNIGHT STAY OR A HOTEL, I MEAN, OR A FLIGHT, UH, THAT IS NOT TO A, UH, CONFERENCE, UH, IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT AT THE MEETING, AFTER WHICH THAT IS HELD, THAT THAT TRAVEL IS TAKEN.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER, FOREST KILZ TO DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION.
YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING? NO, SIR.