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          WE'LL CALL UP THE REGULAR 
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MEETING. 
          UH, THE TIME IS, UH, 7 0 7. 
          IT IS THURSDAY, DECEMBER 16TH. 
          AND I'M GOING TO CALL THIS SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER WOULD ALL. 
          PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO WOULD THAT SEE SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MITCHELL HERE. 
          ALISON KALE HERE. 
          RED ZONE, PRESENT BRADSHAW HERE, PARSLEY HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM NEXT UP CITIZEN 
          [III.  Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
COMMENTS PERIOD. 
          AT THIS TIME WE ASK ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ANY ITEM. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          SO WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU DIRECT THOSE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          AND WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM AND SUBMIT THAT TO EITHER MYSELF OR THE CITY. 
          SECRETARY IS THERE. 
          I DO NOT HAVE ANY IN FRONT OF ME. 
          IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          I'M GOING TO CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT STEP, UH, APPROVAL 
          [II.  Approval of Minutes]
OF THE MINUTES, MAYOR LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR CITY COUNCIL, SPECIAL MEETING DECEMBER SIX AND THE REGULAR MEETING. 
          SAME DAY, DECEMBER 6TH, 2021. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S MOVE BACK. 
          CUSTOMER TOBY A SECOND AD BY CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. 
          UM, WE'LL GO INTO THE CITY MANAGER'S 
          [IV.  City Manager's Report]
REPORT. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, UH, HERE MOMENTARILY. 
          OH, YOU WEREN'T READY FOR THAT? WHERE YOU, SORRY. 
          WE'D GO AHEAD AND DO THIS FIRST IN CASE THERE'S ANYBODY WANT TO HEAR IT? OKAY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          MAYOR COUNCIL, SCOTT SODA, CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD TONIGHT ON THE CITY MANAGER REPORT. 
          FIRST ITEM, WE WOULD LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A VERY HAPPY HOLIDAYS. 
          WE HAVE A CANCELED THE CITY, THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR NEXT WEEK. 
          SO PLEASE DO NOT SHOW UP. 
          THIS WILL BE OUR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR. 
          THE CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED THURSDAY, DECEMBER 23RD, UH, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 24TH, AND THEN FRIDAY, DECEMBER 31ST. 
          UH, THE LIBRARY WE CLOSED DECEMBER 24TH AND DECEMBER 25TH. 
          UH, STAFF WILL JUST BE IN AND OUT. 
          WE PROBABLY A LITTLE LIGHTER AROUND HERE. 
          I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED ME NEXT ITEM. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE SOME EXISTING VACANCIES ON OUR, UH, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS SPECIFICALLY. 
          WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS ONE VACANCY ON THE LIBRARY BOARD. 
          WE ARE MAKING A PRETTY BIG PUSH THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA TO, UH, ENSURE THAT WE ANNOUNCED THOSE VACANCIES FAR AND WIDE AND, AND TO GET AS MANY QUALIFIED, UH, YOU KNOW, EXCITED APPLICANTS AS POSSIBLE FOR, FOR BOTH THOSE THREE POSITIONS. 
          MAY I ASK FOR COPIES OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, PLEASE? THIS ANYBODY'S OPPOSED TO THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU BET. 
          UH, NEXT I'D LIKE TO INVITE, UH, JERRY HENDRIX TO THE PODIUM TO DISCUSS OUR SANTA EVENT. 
          MAYOR COUNCIL, JERRY HENDRICKSON, THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD, WHAT A WEEK IT'S BEEN FOR SANTA CLAUS, OUR THANKS TO OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. 
          OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND UNCOUNTED CITY STAFF TO DECORATE A SLEIGH. 
          AND, UH, I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION ROBERT RIZZO DONATED THE SLEIGH GREAT TIME. 
          WE HAD EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD AND KYLE AND THEN A FEW THAT ARE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF KYLE. 
          SO THANKS TO EVERYBODY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE SOME PICTURES TO SHOW THAT IT'S JUST A GREAT TIME. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE VIDEOS OF IT AND EVERY, ALL THOSE GREAT COMMENTS AND JUST 
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HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HAPPY KIDS THAT SANTA CLAUS GOT TO COME TO TOWN ON THE POLAR BEAR SPLASH. 
          UH, JANUARY 1ST, BEGINNING AT 10 O'CLOCK, YOU'D GO UP TO THE POOL. 
          YOU ALREADY JUMPED INTO IT. 
          THAT HAPPENED ABOUT 10 30 ISH. 
          REGISTRATION IS NOW OPEN ONLINE. 
          YOU CAN ALSO REGISTER ON THE SITE FOR AN EXTRA FEE AND ON JANUARY 5TH AT 9:00 AM, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A BIRD WALK TO CELEBRATE NATIONAL BIRD DAY. 
          THAT WILL BE AT THE COOL SPRINGS TRAIL. 
          WE'LL HAVE A HAZE COUNTY AND HE MASTERED NATURALISTS THERE TO KIND OF GUIDE US AROUND AND SHOW US ALL THE BIRDS THAT ARE IN KYLE. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM CUSTOMER. 
          ALISON, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A QUICK WORDS OF KUDOS. 
          THANK YOU, UH, JERRY, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS THAT HELPED PARTICULARLY WITH THE SANTA RIDE. 
          I KNOW WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TYPICALLY DOES THAT, THAT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN UNDERSTANDABLY OVERWHELMED THIS YEAR AND DEALING WITH ALL KINDS OF ISSUES AND OUR HEARTS AND PRAYERS ALWAYS GO OUT TO THEM, BUT MAJOR KUDOS TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND AS YOU SAID, ALL THE OTHER STAFF I WAS LAUGHING AT, I FORGET HIS NAME, BUT I THINK HE'S IN PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THERE'S THE ELF AND CHANCE AS SANTA AND WHATNOT. 
          JUST THE ENTHUSIASM THAT EXUDES THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE STAFF, SCOTT IS INFECTIOUS AND THE COMMUNITY FEELS IT. 
          AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE HAPPY TO SEE SANTA STILL COME AROUND. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR, ACTUALLY, JERRY THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK, TALK ABOUT IS, UH, NEXT YEAR I KNOW THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT WE'VE STEPPED UP TO DO THIS AS CITY. 
          SO I KNOW THE CITIZENS REALLY LIKE IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT WAY TO BRING THE POLICE, THE CITIZENS, UH, OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND STAFF TOGETHER. 
          AND I, I THINK THEY REALLY GET A JOY OUT OF WORKING ON THIS, UM, PLANNING AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, GOING AROUND AND SEEING DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          I THINK IT'S BEEN A PLUS FOR AS A CITY. 
          I HEARD NOTHING BUT GREAT FEEDBACK. 
          SO I'D LOVE TO SEE IT TO CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND AS ALWAYS, MY SLED IS AVAILABLE, DON'T ASK ME WHY I WAS LIT, BUT ANYWAY, UH, BUT IT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE. 
          IF Y'ALL Y'ALL AS A CITY, WE DECIDED TO DO THIS. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT CONTINUE. 
          I THINK WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IT UNLESS WE'RE TOLD NOT TO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU, JERRY. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          YOU BET OUR PLEASURE THAT WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT HERE. 
          SO MS. DIANA TORRES QUITE AS TALL AS SHERRY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AGAIN, DIANA TORRES DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RECORD I AM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO FORMALLY ANNOUNCE  COMING TO THE CITY OF KYLE, THEY WILL BE BUILDING A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT AT DRY RIVER DISTRICT WITH A $4 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT EMPLOY OVER 50 PEOPLE, AND IT WILL BE OWNER OCCUPIED. 
          SO THEY'RE TAKING ON THE ADDITIONAL RISK OF PURCHASING THE LAND AND CONSTRUCTING THE BUILDING AND OWNING THEMSELVES. 
          UM, THIS IS THE FIRST AWARD OF THE CITY OF KYLE RESTAURANT INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT WAS CREATED BY COUNCIL ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 
          UM, THE IDEA BEHIND THE CITY OF CAIRO RESTAURANT INCENTIVE WAS TO CREATE AND UTILIZE SOME KIND OF A PROGRAM THAT WOULD FILL GAPS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH UNIQUE AND ELEVATED PROJECTS. 
          UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DESIGNED THE PROGRAM SO THAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE CONTINUALLY UPDATED. 
          SO WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES ON IS A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, AND AS FAR AS ELEVATED AND UNIQUE, WE ARE LOOKING TO SUPPORT RESTAURANTS THAT FEEL A GAP IN CURRENT SERVICES, UM, THAT THAT ARE MORE LOCAL, NOT CHAIN, UM, OR NATIONAL CHAINS, UH, IS YOUR RESTAURANT A DESTINATION DRAW. 
          AND IF IT IS WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT, ELEVATED AND UNIQUE. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE THIS FIRST PROJECT THAT IS, I MEAN, THEY'RE READY TO ROLL. 
          THEY'RE VERY EXCITED TO, TO GET GOING. 
          UM, I HEARD THEY WERE ACTUALLY A P AND Z LAST NIGHT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET GOING AND IT HAS REALLY GENERATED A LOT OF ATTENTION OF, UH, TO THE PROGRAM. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          THANK YOU, RYAN. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT AND EVERYONE. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, IF, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING WE ALMOST RARELY DO, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SWITCH UP THE ORDER OF THE MEETING AND GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO GIVE US OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO, UH, DIALOGUE ON A FEW OF THESE ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NO OBJECTION, COUNCILMEMBER FLOURISH, KALE 
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PURSUANT TO 
          [VII.  Executive Session]
CHAPTER 5, 5, 1 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. 
          THE COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FROM TIME TO TIME AS DEEMED NECESSARY. 
          DURING THIS MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ANY LAWFUL EXCEPTION CONTAINED IN CHAPTER 5, 5, 1 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING TOPICS PENDING OR CONTEMPLATING LITIGATION, OR TO SEEK THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.071 SAVANNAH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, PERRY LAKES CAN SIT AND DEVELOP AGREEMENT POSSIBLE PURCHASE EXCHANGE, LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL ESTATE PURSUANT TO SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.07, TWO PERSONNEL MATTERS PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.07 FOR CONVENE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM, 46. 
          UH, THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          THERE WILL BE ACTION TAKEN NOW. 
          UM, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINUES TO BE ENGAGED IN, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, THAT IS CERTAINLY, UH, GOT US INTERESTED AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE KNOW WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          THERE'S STILL A WAYS TO GO, BUT I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER, UH, TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATIONS, UH, REGARDING THE SAVANNAH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS TOLL BROTHERS COMING, UH, TO THE CITY, UH, AND TO BRING BACK AGREEMENTS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, OR IT'S MOVED BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER BRUSH. 
          ALSO DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT STEP IS WHAT, UH, THANK Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, SCOTT. 
          THERE'S NO CIP ROAD PROJECTS. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING THAT THIS TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP IS THE CONSENT 
          [V.  Consent Agenda]
AGENDA. 
          UH, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO, UH, PULL NUMBER EIGHT. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PULL ANY MORE COUNCILLOR FLOOR SCALE, PLEASE PULL 12. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS? MOTIONS, MARY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UH, FOUR TO SEVEN AND THEN A NINE THROUGH 11. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO. 
          SECOND ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. 
          IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BECAUSE FOR, FOR SCALE? OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. 
          NEXT UP, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          UH, PLUM CREEK PHASE TWO, SECTION 
          [8.  
Plum Creek Phase II, Section 10 - Final Plat (SUB-21-0226) 171.05 acres; 6 commercial lots located off FM 1626 and Rikardson. ~ William Atkinson, Senior Planner
 
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting is scheduled for December 14th. 
]
10 FINAL PLAT, 171 ACRES. 
          UH, SIX COMMERCIAL, LOTS LOCATED OFF FM 16, 26 AND, UH, UH, RICHARDSON. 
          UH, D DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT? I'M GOING TO USE MYSELF BECAUSE MY EMPLOYER MAY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, SO IT WON'T BE IN THERE. 
          DON'T FORGET ABOUT ME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOVE BY THE MAYOR. 
          SECOND BY COUNSELOR. 
          TOBY ASSIST THEIR DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SIX TO ZERO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP. 
          AGENDA. 
          ITEM NUMBER 12, APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE 
          [12.  Approve a Resolution of the City Council authorizing the creation of an employee benefits trust; designating all members of the City Council to be trustees of said trust; and authorizing the trust to purchase various forms of insurance including health, dental, vision, and life insurance , and disability benefits for the benefit of City officers, employees, qualified retirees, and their eligible dependents.  ~  J. Scott Sellers, City Manager]
CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CREATION OF AN EMPLOYEE BENEFITS TRUST, UH, DESIGNATING ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE TRUSTEES OF SAID TRUST AND AUTHORIZING THE TRUST TO PURCHASE VARIOUS FORMS OF INSURANCE, INCLUDING HEALTH, DENTAL, VISION, AND LIFE INSURANCE AND DISABILITY BENEFITS FOR THE BENEFIT OF CITY OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES, QUALIFIED RETIREES AND THEIR ELIGIBLE DEPENDENTS. 
          THIS IS MR. SELLERS, UH, ITEM, CUSTOMER FLOORS, KALE. 
          YOU HAVE A FLOOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHY IS THIS PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY. 
          UM, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD, I'M PROVISION MOHIT CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE BACK IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 17, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY'S HR DIRECTOR, SANDRA DURAN, AND THE COUNCIL'S AUTHORIZATION WAS TO, UM, AUTHORIZE THE CHANGE OF CITIES, HEALTH INSURANCE, DENTAL, VISION, LIFE, AND DISABILITY, ANCILLARY SERVICES PROVIDER CHANGE FROM TML TO UNITED HEALTHCARE. 
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THE SER SERVICE WE'RE CHANGING BY TML. 
          THE RATES WERE GOING UP AND UNITED HEALTH CARE PROVIDED A BETTER PROPOSAL. 
          SO THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 21ST AND COUNCIL APPROVED IT. 
          SO AS PART OF UNITED HEALTH CARE PROPOSAL, WHICH GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, THEY ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY WOULD GIVE THE CITY 1.7 1.7, 5% DISCOUNT ON THE MONTHLY PREMIUM, CHARGED TO THE CITY FOR THAT SERVICE, THAT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT $40,000 A YEAR PROVIDED THAT THE CITY SET ASIDE A TRUST, A WORKING ADMINISTRATIVE TRUST WHEREBY ASSURING TO UNITED HEALTHCARE, THAT THEIR MONTHLY BILL WOULD BE PAID. 
          THE INSURANCE PREMIUM. 
          OUR ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 190,000 TO $200,000 A MONTH, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES SIGN UP, INCLUDING THEIR DEPENDENCE EMPLOYEES PAY FOR THEIR DEPENDENT CARE. 
          BUT THE CITY SHARES IN THE COST OF THE EMPLOYEES, HEALTH INSURANCE, AND LIFE INSURANCE. 
          THIS DOES NOT COST THE CITY ANYTHING EXTRA. 
          WE WOULD STILL HAVE THIS MONEY IN OUR BANK ACCOUNT. 
          IT JUST SIMPLY SETS ASIDE A RESERVE THAT WE REPLENISH EACH MONTH AFTER THE MONTH THE BILL IS PAID. 
          SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES, KALE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THE TRUSTEES COMPOSITION OFFICER'S CONVERSATIONS AND MEETINGS ON PAGE TWO, LETTER B, UM, HOW WAS IT DECIDED WHO THE OFFICERS WERE GOING TO BE USUALLY IN THE TRUST FUNDS THAT THE CITY OPERATES? WE HAVE ANOTHER TRUST FUND FOR, UM, OPEB OR, UH, IS THE SIMILAR EMPLOYMENT BENEFIT FOR RETIREES THAT WE NO LONGER PROVIDE TO OUR CITY EMPLOYEES THAT WAS DONE DUNAWAY IN 2009, BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT PROGRAM AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE. 
          IT'S IT, IT'S AN IRREVOCABLE TRUST AS COMPARED TO THIS ONE, THIS ISN'T REVOKABLE ADMINISTRATIVE TRUST. 
          SO IN A TYPICAL CITY COUNTY TRUST, WHEN IT'S ESTABLISHED, IT'S USUALLY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WE IDENTIFY AS THE TRUST OFFICERS THAT YOU HAVE, THE POWER YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM, TO CONTROL THE FUNDS, HOW THE FUNDS WILL BE EXPENDED, WHAT THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE TRUST FUND IS. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE IDENTIFIED COUNCIL ASKED THE TRUSTEE, OKAY. 
          HOW DID THEY, HOW DID YOU DECIDE WHO WOULD BE THE CHAIRMAN AND THE CO-CHAIRMAN? UH, TYPICALLY IT'S THE MAYOR. 
          THAT IS THE CHAIR, AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE HAS CO CO-TRUSTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON PAGE THREE, LETTER C COMPENSATION, IT SAYS THE TRUSTEE SHALL BE REIMBURSED FOR ALL REASONABLE AND NECESSARY EXPENSES OCCURRED BY THEM AND THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES. 
          DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE COUNCIL OR THE TRUSTEES WOULD HAVE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL MEETING? UH, NO. 
          UH, WE WOULD MAKE IT PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          IF WE HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO BRING FORWARD, THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY NON-INVASIVE TYPE TRUST AS TO JUST PAYING THE BILLS EVERY MONTH. 
          AND WE WILL REPLENISH THE CASH RESERVE AT THE END OF THE MONTH. 
          UH, YOU HAVE ALREADY AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER AND HIS, UH, DESIGNEE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE IN THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. 
          AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, IT IS ACTUALLY TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GAIN SAVINGS OF ABOUT $40,000 A YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          PAGE FOUR, NUMBER NINE, THE TRUSTEES MAY RETAIN LEGAL COUNSEL TO REPRESENT THE TRUST AND THE TRUSTEES AND ALL LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. 
          DOES THAT MEAN THERE MIGHT BE AN INSTANCE WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO HIRE ADDITIONAL ATTORNEYS? NO. 
          UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. 
          THIS IS A IT LOOK, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST. 
          I, TO BE A TRUSTEE IS A BIG DEAL. 
          AND SO AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE ARE GOING TO, THIS IS THIS, ISN'T A DECISION THAT I FIND IT REALLY HARD TO TAKE LIGHTLY FOR $40,000. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. 
          THE FOUR CORNERS OF THIS TRUST, IT IS VERY CLEARLY DEFINED, WHICH IS BASICALLY PAYING THE MONTHLY PREMIUM, UH, INVOICE THAT WE WILL RECEIVE FROM A UNITED HEALTH. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S 12 PAGES AND IT SAYS IT'S MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN THAT. 
          AND SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS 
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TO MAKE SURE AS A TRUSTEE, WHICH I WILL BE SIGNING MYSELF FOR IF I VOTE YES. 
          THAT I HAVE MY BASES COVERED JUST IN CASE I DON'T. 
          I THINK THERE'S A NEW LAW THAT MAKES, UM, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS LIABLE. 
          AND SO IF IN THAT ASPECT AND IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S HER NAME, VERONICA. 
          SORRY. 
          IS IT, AM I CORRECT? WHEN I SAY THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LAW RECENTLY PASSED MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, PUTTING MORE RESPONSIBILITY INDIVIDUALLY ON OFFICIALS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT SAYS, UM, PAGE FIVE, IT TALKS ABOUT BENEFICIARIES AND IT SAYS, UM, THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE TRUST OR THE CITY OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES AND QUALIFIED RETIREES ARE, IS COUNCIL GOING TO BE CONSIDERED? OFFICERS? OFFICERS ARE LIKE CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS. 
          UM, COUNCIL IS CONSIDERED ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO CARRY INSURANCE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO, CAN WE CARRY INSURANCE AND NOT HAVE A CONFLICT WITH BEING A TRUSTEE? NO, THERE WOULDN'T BE A CONFLICT BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AN ORDINARY REVOKABLE TRUST ADMINISTRATOR TRUST SET UP FOR THE PURPOSE OF SATISFYING, UH, THAT CONTRACT PROVISION BY WHICH WE GAIN SAVINGS OF 40,000. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE REASON WHY I'M HESITANT IS BECAUSE COUNCIL CHANGES SO OFTEN, AND I UNDERSTAND WHEN I READ THIS, THAT THE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO BE THE TRUSTEES. 
          AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE NEW TRUSTEES IN AND OUT, WHICH I THINK WOULD MAKE IT, IS THERE A PAPERWORK THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE WHEN THOSE TRUSTEES ARE, WE'RE HOPING, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE ESTABLISHED CREDIT WITH THE UNITED HEALTH CARE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE WE WHEREBY WE CAN ELIMINATE THIS TRUST. 
          OH. 
          TO ELIMINATE IT. 
          AND, UM, SO HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES THE CITY HAVE? MAY I ASK THAT THAT MAY QUALIFY FOR THIS OR THAT CURRENTLY USE IT? SO WE HAVE 305 AUTHORIZED POSITIONS. 
          FULL-TIME POSITIONS, NOT ALL OF THEM CHOOSE TO TAKE CITY OF COLLEGE CLEARANCE. 
          WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE ON MEDICARE. 
          UM, SO THEY CAN USE MEDICARE INSURANCE. 
          WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT CHOOSE TO HAVE A B ON THEIR DEPENDENT INSURANCE POLICY, THROUGH THEIR EMPLOYER. 
          UH, ROUGHLY I WOULD SAY CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE, TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN EMPLOYEES, TWO 30, WE'LL GO WITH 2 35. 
          AND IF WE TAKE THAT 235 AND DIVIDE IT BY $40,000, IT GIVES US $170 A YEAR. 
          AND SO IF I TAKE THAT AND DIVIDE THAT BY 12 MONTHS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $14 A MONTH NOW TO HIRE AND TO HIRE OR TO PAY AN ATTORNEY TO DO ALL THIS, IS IT REALLY GOING TO, IS IT GOING TO BE LESS THAN 40,000 TO PROCESS THAT PAPERWORK, PAPERWORK FOR THE TRUSTEES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH A TRUST, CORRECT? IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE TRUST IS AN INTERNAL TRUST THAT IS DONE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          I ACTUALLY WROTE THIS. 
          WHO'S THE WHO'S GOING TO CREATE THE TRUST I, AS YOUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, I WILL CREATE THE TRUST. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I LIKE YOU, YOU'RE LIKE ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE. 
          I JUST, I DON'T WANT IT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO COME OFF HARSH. 
          I'M JUST ASKING THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A TRUSTEE POSITION AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT IS. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS. 
          AND SO I'M A LITTLE BIT HESITANT TO PUT MYSELF IN THIS POSITION. 
          UM, AND HOPEFULLY IF WE HEAR BACK, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, UM, LIABILITIES THAT HAVE JUST COME INTO INTO LAW, MAYBE YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE WHAT WE'RE REALLY PUTTING HERSELF AT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WORTH THE $40,000, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I LOVE THAT ANSWER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THIS IS JUST A SAFEGUARD. 
          SO THE INSURANCE KNOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM AND THEY KNOW THAT MONEY IS SET ASIDE AND, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR MONEY. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS AND OUR EFFORT IS GOING TO BE TO CONVINCE THEM THAT BY YOUR NUMBER TWO, THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR THIS TRUST BECAUSE THE CITY WE'VE GOT A GOOD BOND RATING AS WELL, CREDIT RATING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW THE SAFEGUARD IN PLACE. 
          AND THEN WE WON'T PAY OUR BILLS ON TIME BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH US AT THIS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YUP. 
          YUP. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          HAS THIS CITY PREVIOUSLY BEEN LATE PAYING ITS BILLS? NOPE. 
          NEVER HAVE YOU MET PREVENTS FROM THE TITLE? SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY, WHY WE FEEL 
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LIKE THIS IS, OH, THIS IS GREAT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SAY I HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THE CITY OF COLLEGE BEFORE. 
          THEY MAY HAVE SOME CITIES THAT THEY HAVE DEALT WITH SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THEY HAD BAD EXPERIENCE. 
          UH, BUT EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, YOUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, UH, WE HAVE NOT BEEN DELINQUENT AND PARIS AND THE REASON WE'RE MAKING THE CHANGE FOR THE INSURANCE, AS WELL AS BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A BETTER RATE FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND FOR THE CITY AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT DOWN THIS PATH BETTER COVERAGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S THE REASON WE ENDED UP LOOKING FOR NEW INSURANCE WAS FOR THE COVERAGE, THE RATE, UM, ALL THAT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. 
          I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME STIPULATIONS THERE BECAUSE IT IS A NEW COMPANY AND THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH US. 
          BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          THAT'S WHERE ALLISON, UH, I MEAN, PERVEZ AND RIZZO PRETTY MUCH SUMMED UP WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. 
          CAUSE THAT'S WHAT LARGELY WHAT THIS IS. 
          AND WE DID HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION BACK IN SEPTEMBER ABOUT THIS AND KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT PLANS YOU AND HR WENT BACK AND FORTH ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THIS AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE BENEFITS ARE A HUGE PORTION OR HUGE PART FOR PUBLIC, UM, UH, EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THERE CAN MAYBE BE A BETTER SALARY, BUT WHERE WE REALLY CAN, CAN DO THINGS FOR OUR, OUR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES IS WITH THE BENEFITS. 
          AND SO, UH, I WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PITCH SHE MADE TO US. 
          SHE MADE A LOT OF SOUND, UH, GAVE US A LOT OF SOUND ADVICE. 
          UH, TYPICALLY I WORK WITH TRUST A LOT AS A, AS A BANKER AS WELL. 
          TYPICALLY THERE ARE LAWYERS THAT ARE PUTTING IN PLACE, BUT WE'VE GOT FOUR BEDS. 
          SO, UH, BUT YEAH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS WRITTEN. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT MIRROR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S BEEN MOSTLY APPROVED BY COUNCILOR ELLISON, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO. 
          IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES. 
          UM, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          I JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, MEMBER KALE FOR, UH, HER QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THEY ARE A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          IT'S ALWAYS GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'D LIKE TO GET THE ANSWER TO HER QUESTION FROM VERONICA. 
          SO YEAH, I WOULD, I FOUND, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING SEPTEMBER 1ST OKAY. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I LOOKED AT MY LEGISLATIVE UPDATE JUST TO, UM, SEE IF I COULD FIND IT RATHER QUICKLY AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING. 
          SO WE WILL DEFINITELY GET BACK TO Y'ALL ON THAT THOUGH, SO THAT YOU HAVE A RESPONSE ON THAT. 
          SO THE, DID THE, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING IS US AS INDIVIDUALS, NOT IN OUR CAPACITY BECAUSE WE GET SUED ALL THE TIME IN OUR CAPACITY AND GET READY TO GET READY FOR THAT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS AN INDIVIDUAL YEAH. 
          SO TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE A THING TO SIGN I WAS HANDED, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MORE ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF THAN ME. 
          SO I'M GLAD FOR THE QUESTIONS. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE THE ANSWER, BUT, UM, UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S PUBLIC OFFICIAL OR AS AN INDIVIDUAL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS SEARCHING WAS FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIABILITY AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, IT LESSENS OUR PROTECTION AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, MAKING IT MORE OF A LIABILITY AND AN INDIVIDUAL. 
          WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO BEING SUED IN OUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, WHICH IS AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY. 
          SO WHETHER, BUT IF IT CREATES INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WOULDN'T THINK THAT IT WOULD, BECAUSE TH THE SIGNATURE, WE'RE NOT SIGNING AS INDIVIDUALS WE'RE SIGNING IN OUR CAPACITY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, W WE WILL DEFINITELY GET BACK, BUT THEY NEED IT BY JANUARY 1ST, CORRECT? YES. 
          MA'AM. 
          YEAH, NO PRESSURE THERE, NO PRESSURE THERE. 
          SO SHOULD WE, UH, TABLE TILL SHE GETS AN ANSWER LATER IN THE DAY? I DO. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE A FEW MORE ITEMS TO GO, BUT DO YOU THINK SEARCHING? ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YOU WANT TO RESCIND YOUR MOTION. 
          ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND VOTING ON IT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT? SO RHONDA CAN GIVE US A RESPONSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, UH, WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS JUST FOR NOW, AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL BRING THE ITEM BACK FORWARD. 
          UH, WHENEVER VERONICA IS READY, CORRECT. 
          NEXT UP AGENDA ITEM. 
          UH, WE NEED SCOTT FOR THIS TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          SOMEBODY WANT TO GET SCOTT OR DO YOU HAVE THE HECM ONE PERVEZ OR AMBER? YOU GOT IT. 
          OKAY, HERE WE GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 
          [13.  Approve a contract with AG|CM. Inc. in an amount not to exceed $42,000.00 for Owner’s Representation Services related to the Kyle Senior and Community Center. ~ J. Scott Sellers, City Manager]
13, APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH AGC M UH, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $42,000 FOR OWNER'S REPRESENTATION SERVICES RELATED TO THE SENIOR AND COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          MR. SELLERS, ERIC COUNSEL, SCOTT SELLERS, TO DEMANDWARE FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS PUBLICLY IN THE PAST, AND I AM HAPPY TO INTRODUCE RYAN ROSBOROUGH WITH AGC, M TO TALK 
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ABOUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE KYLE AREA, SENIOR ZONE, UH, SENIOR CENTER, UH, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED AGAIN IN THE PAST, THERE'S REALLY A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS. 
          THERE'S A DESIGN COMPONENT, AND THEN THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT. 
          AGAIN, THIS SERVICES, UH, WOULD, WOULD JUST BE FOR THIS DESIGN PHASE WHILE WE IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE. 
          SO WITH THAT, RYAN, UH, INTRODUCING, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          I GAVE YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, RYAN ROSEBORO WITH HPCM PROJECT MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, SO WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH, UM, WITH KAZ, WITH THE CITY, UM, AND KIND OF GO OVER WHAT THE GOALS WERE FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND WITH THAT, IT GAVE US A LITTLE SNAPSHOT OF KIND OF THE LOOK AHEAD. 
          SO, UM, OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO COME BACK, HOPEFULLY IN JANUARY WITH ACTUAL DOCUMENTS FOR CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND FROM THAT POINT, WE WOULD GO INTO THE FULL FLEDGED DESIGN PHASE. 
          SO THE PROPOSAL YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER, UH, BASED ON A GUESSTIMATE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT WE THINK WILL BE REQUIRED. 
          IF THOSE HOURS ARE NOT USED, THE CITY WILL NOT BE BILLED FOR THEM. 
          UM, SO, UH, THAT PROPOSAL WILL TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH DESIGN. 
          WE DIDN'T WANT TO INCLUDE ANYTHING IN THERE FOR CONSTRUCTION AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT THE ULTIMATE FUNDING WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, HOW THAT TIMELINE WAS GOING TO LAY OUT, UH, HOW WERE YOU GOING TO PROCURE THE PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE SAME AT RISK CON UH, COMPETITIVE SEAL PROPOSAL. 
          UH, SO THAT WILL ALL AFFECT THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE. 
          SO WE SAID FOR NOW, LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THE DESIGN PHASE, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT WRAPPED UP, WE CAN COME BACK IF THE CITY SO CHOOSES FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, RYAN. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, RYAN, UH, JUST REAL QUICK, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT DESIGNS, I'D LIKE US TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND OF THE PROGRAMMING THAT COULD GO ON IN THE BUILDING. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUT THERE FOR DOLLARS FOR LIBRARIES, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR SERVICES ON, ON SEVERAL AREAS OF OUR CITY AND THAT AREA IS A LITTLE UNDERSERVED. 
          SO I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING GOING OUT THERE AS FAR AS THE LIBRARY, AND MAYBE FINDING SOME DOLLARS FOR LIBRARIES OUT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE WORKING ON SEVERAL OTHER LIBRARIES RIGHT NOW, SO I WILL ASK AROUND, UM, I KNOW WE DID SOME FIND SOME MONEY LAST YEAR FOR LIBRARIES, BUT THE STRINGS THAT WERE ATTACHED TO IT WERE LIMITED YOUR ABILITY TO BE CREATIVE. 
          AND SO THERE WAS SOME LIMITATIONS ON THAT. 
          SO, BUT I'LL DEFINITELY ASK AROUND, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CUSTOMER FLOORS, KILL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I GUESS MY CURIOSITY IS HOW FAR ALONG ARE WE ON THIS? I WASN'T AWARE. 
          I WASN'T AWARE WE HAD MADE IT THIS FAR, WHICH REALLY MAKES ME EXCITED, BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THERE WERE PLANS ALREADY IN PLACE, UH, ARRIVE. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL BRING UP THE, THE SCHEDULE HERE, UH, BACK IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED $200,000 TO GO TOWARD DESIGN OF A SENIOR CENTER. 
          WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE AT THE TIME WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION, THE SIZE, THE SCOPE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN, IN THE CENTER, OR EVEN IF WE WOULD HAVE ANY PARTNERS. 
          WHAT WE DID TALK ABOUT WAS A TRI-PARTY AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE SENIORS AND HAYES COUNTY TO REALLY MAKE THIS MORE OF A HAZE COUNTY DRAW FOR, FOR SENIORS, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SERVICES LIKE THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING OR OTHER HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES FUNCTIONS THAT WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THIS FACILITY. 
          SO AS WE GOT THE COUNTY SUPPORT, UH, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY DID BUDGET $200,000 FOR THIS AND THAT LEFT THE REMAINDER, THE ONUS ON THE CAZ. 
          UH, WE, OUR UNDERSTANDING AT THIS TIME, THEY'VE RAISED ABOUT HALF OF THAT AMOUNT. 
          UH, AND SO THEY HAVE THE ADDITIONAL HUNDRED TO, TO RACE. 
          UH, BUT WHAT THAT SAYS IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DESIGNER WHO IS PART OF CAZ. 
          I'M SORRY TO GET CLOSER. 
          WE HAVE A DESIGNER AS PART OF KAZ, UH, WHO HAS A PROPOSAL IN, FOR DESIGN OF THE FACILITY FOR THAT $600,000 NUMBER. 
          UH, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FULLY FUNDED YET, WE CANNOT ENGAGE THAT DESIGN ARCHITECT YET TO START THE PROJECT. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A HECM AND THERE ARE GREAT SERVICES AND THEY'LL BE ATTENDING CAZ MEETINGS AND, AND GETTING THINGS GOING UNTIL THAT FINAL AMOUNT HAS BEEN RAISED, WE TECHNICALLY CAN'T START THE PROJECT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE, UH, AN ILA OR, YOU KNOW, A LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HAYES COUNTY, UH, TO BE THE RECIPIENT. 
          SO THAT $200,000. 
          SO WE CAN KIND OF CONTROL, UH, THE FUNDS SINCE THE CONTRACT FOR THE DESIGNER WILL BE UNDER THE CITY. 
          SO THE PLAN IS MOVING, BUT IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE, THE RAISING OF THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE 600,000 FOR THE DESIGN COST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR THAT OTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          SO WHY WOULD WE, WHAT ARE WE HIRING? WHAT ARE WE PAYING THE $42,000? STORTZ IF WE CAN'T MOVE ALONG? 
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SURE. 
          SO, UH, WHAT WE WERE CHARGED WITH WAS BASICALLY KEEPING THE PROCESS MOVING. 
          UM, AS FAR AS DESIGN IS CONCERNED, WE KNOW THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, CAZ IS OBVIOUSLY ANXIOUS TO GET THIS GOING AND THEY'VE ALREADY PROCURED SOME OF THE MONEY. 
          UM, SO THEY DIDN'T WANT THE THING TO DIE ON THE VINE, BASICALLY. 
          SO WITH ALL THE PLAYERS AND ALL THE FOLKS AT THE TABLE, BASICALLY OUR TASK WAS TO COORDINATE ALL THOSE PARTIES AND KEEP THINGS MOVING WITH ALL THE PLAYERS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, THE CITY KAZ. 
          SO, UH, THE ARCHITECT AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL THOSE PAR ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PARTIES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT WANTS AND NEEDS AND WISHES ARE ACTUALLY BEING IMPLEMENTED INTO THOSE PLANS SO THAT WHAT EACH IS PAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING WHAT THEY EXPECT OUT OF IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IF YOU, WHEN YOU SAY, KEEP THINGS MOVING, ARE YOU GOING TO CALL THEM LIKE, HEY, WE NEED IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANT. 
          I WANT THIS BUILDING. 
          AND I WANT, UM, CAZ TO HAVE SOMETHING TO CALL THEIR OWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I NEED BEFORE I'M WILLING TO SPEND $42,000, I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE DOING. 
          SURE. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE $42,000, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND ALL OF THAT WITH US UPFRONT. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE PAID OUT AS WE GO. 
          YOU MAY SPEND, YOU KNOW, 500 OF IT, AND THEN WE MAY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE DONE UNTIL XYZ HAPPENS AND THEN NO MORE GETS SPENT. 
          SO NONE OF THAT IS GUARANTEED TO US AT ALL. 
          UM, I THINK THE IMMEDIATE GOAL WE HAD MET ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO, AND WE PUT KIND OF A TASK ORDER LIST AND ACTION ITEM LIST TOGETHER FOR EACH OF THE PARTIES. 
          UH, WHAT THAT ACTION ITEM LISTS LOOKED LIKE WAS OKAY, YOU KNOW, SO-AND-SO IS GOING TO GO AND MEET WITH THE COUNTY, TRY TO GET THAT ILA WORKED OUT. 
          UH, SO-AND-SO FROM CAZ IS GOING TO GO MEET WITH THIS PERSON AND THIS PERSON, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE REST OF THAT REMAINING FUNDS. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE END OF JANUARY WITH A SET OF SCHEMATIC PLANS, SO THAT Y'ALL ARE UP TO SPEED WITH EVERYTHING, AND THERE'S NO SURPRISES. 
          SO WE LAID OUT KIND OF THIS TIMELINE OF THINGS THAT HAVE EVENTS THAT MUST HAPPEN. 
          UM, SO AT ANY POINT IN THERE, IF THOSE ACTION ITEMS ARE MISSED, THEN THE SCHEDULE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SLIDE, OR THE PROJECT HAS A POTENTIAL TO STOP AND GO NO FURTHER. 
          DO YOU GUYS, HOW DID YOU COME UP TO THE 42,500? SO THERE SHOULD BE AN ATTACHMENT TO THAT CONTRACT. 
          IT'S BASICALLY A, UH, LABOR SCHEDULE. 
          UM, SO THE WAY WE DO IT IS WE LOOK AT WHAT WE THINK THE SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE. 
          SO MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THE CITY AND KAZ. 
          UM, WE THINK WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON HOW LONG THE DESIGN STAGE IS GOING TO TAKE. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT THAT OVERALL SCHEDULE WAS. 
          WE PLUG IN X AMOUNT OF HOURS PER WEEK FOR WHAT THE DEFINED TASKS ARE WITHIN THE SCOPE. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR ALLOWANCE, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, AS I SAID, IF THOSE HOURS DON'T GET USED, THEN THEY DON'T GET BUILT TO THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WORK IN A SERVICE, MEANING LIKE I WORKED FOR ATTORNEYS AT BILL BY THE HOUR. 
          SO HOW DO YOU GUYS, THIS IS JUST A LUMP SUM OF 9,030 3000, BUT NO MATTER, WELL, IT DOESN'T HAS A BREAKDOWN OF, LIKE, IT JUST SAYS ONE PROJECT EXECUTIVE. 
          SHE DID IT THE NEXT YEAR. 
          THERE SHOULD BE TWO COUNTER SHEETS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S GOT IT BROKEN DOWN BY THE WEEK. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE A LOT SIX OR EIGHT OR 10 HOURS PER WEEK FOR THE DURATION OF DESIGN, THERE'S GOING TO BE WEEKS WHERE NOTHING HAPPENS AND THOSE SIX HOURS WON'T GET BURNED AND THERE'S GOING TO BE WEEKS WHERE WE MIGHT WORK 20 OR 30 HOURS AND THOSE HOURS WILL GET GOBBLED UP. 
          SO, UM, IT'S A BASIC ALLOCATION OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT FOR THAT TOTAL AMOUNT OF HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IT. 
          I SEE, LIKE JANUARY, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAD FOUR TIMES AND YOU JUST PUT IN FIVE HOURS AND 10 HOURS IN FIVE AND THEN 10. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW YOU CAME TO THAT JUST FROM EXPERIENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM JUST FROM EXPERIENCE AND FROM WHAT WE THOUGHT, THE LEVEL OF EFFORT WAS GOING TO BE GIVEN ALL THE PLAYERS AT THE TABLE. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A GUESSTIMATE. 
          UM, NOW IT IS A NOT TO EXCEED. 
          THAT MEANS IF WE BUST IT AND WE WERE TOO LOW ON OUR HOURS, THAT'S ON US. 
          NO, I GET IT. 
          TAKE IT GO EITHER WAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN DO EITHER WAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE NEVER HAD TO COME BACK BEFORE AND SAY, WE NEED MORE MONEY. 
          LIKE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO, IS TO BE EITHER ON THE MONEY OR, OR HAVE A LITTLE BIT LEFT, TRY TO BE EFFICIENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DOES IT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT. 
          I WANT TO SAY IT'S SO BAD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S AN HOURLY RATE, ALMOST 2 25 AND THEN TWO 20. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM UM, CUSTOMER TOBY, I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, IT BASICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE, SO SEVERAL SERVICES TO BE PROVIDED THROUGH PRODUCTION, A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO BE DELIVERED BY ARCHITECT OF RECORD, UH, ASSUMED DELIVERY DATE OF JULY 31ST, 2022. 
          SO WHAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY BY THEN? SO, I MEAN, DOES IT STALL OR AGAIN, DOES A SCHOLAR, IT HAS A DELIVERY DATE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO REALLY THE, ONE OF THE KEY QUESTIONS IS THE STARTING DATE, 
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RIGHT? SO WE, WE STILL NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT REMAINING FUNDING TO EVEN LET THE, THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, AT THE TIME THAT OUR ARCHITECTURE IS, IS FINALIZED. 
          AND IF THE FUNDS HAVE NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED, THEN THE PROJECT BASICALLY SITS ON A SHELF. 
          NOW THAT'S NOT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          IT'S OUR CALL FOR ACTION TO FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          SO WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IDEAS IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, ONE OF WHICH IS TO UTILIZE OUR FEDERAL LOBBYISTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND TRY TO FIND A HEALTH RELATED SERVICES FOR BRICK AND MORTAR PROJECTS. 
          ANOTHER THOUGHT IS TO USE OUR ALLOTMENT OF ENTITLEMENT DOLLARS THROUGH THE CDBG OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE A LOT OF STATE PROGRAMS. SO AGAIN, WE, WE ENGAGE A STATE LOBBYISTS. 
          WE CAN GO TO A VARIETY OF STATE AGENCIES, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND SLEEPING AND FIND SOME BRICK AND MORTAR DOLLARS FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, THE CAZ IS WORKING ON FOUNDATION GRANTS. 
          SO THEY ARE A 5 0 1 C3 THEY ARE ABLE TO, UH, TO APPLY FOR AND RECEIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MONIES THAT THE CITY CANNOT. 
          UH, AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING FROM A FOUNDATION PERSPECTIVE. 
          UH, AND WE ARE WORKING ON ALSO TRYING TO IDENTIFY MAYBE A THIRD-PARTY GRANT WRITING SERVICE THAT CAN COME IN AND HELP US WRITE SOME OF THOSE GRANTS FOR THOSE FOUNDATION DOLLARS AS WELL. 
          SO THERE ARE AVENUES, AGAIN, PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THEY ARE OPEN TO ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE ARE NOT. 
          SO WE HOPE THAT COLLECTIVELY WE CAN FIND THE FUNDS, BUT THIS IS A 15 TO $20 MILLION, DEPENDING ON HOW ROBUST THIS DESIGN IS LIFT, UH, BEFORE WE EVER GET TO THAT POINT, THAT WHERE WE FINALIZE THE DESIGN, WE WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING IN THAT DESIGN BEFORE IT GETS FINALIZED. 
          SO AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING IS CONCEPTUAL. 
          UH, AGCS IS LEADING THROUGH THAT, THAT PROCESS OF WHAT CAN AND MAYBE SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN, IN THAT CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND WE TALKED ABOUT A POOL LAST TIME. 
          WE SCRUBBED THAT OUT BECAUSE IT REALLY DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, UH, NITRO SWIM ADVERTISEMENT. 
          SO, UH, JUST THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE THE PROJECT FOR THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY AND THE SENIORS. 
          OKAY. 
          DID ANYBODY INFORM CASTS THAT THIS WAS ON HERE? CAUSE I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO AT LEAST CALL THEM AFTERWARDS, RIGHT. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU REACHED OUT TO ME EARLIER THIS WEEK, SO YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE WATCHING JUST, JUST MY LAST REAL QUICK STATEMENT IS THAT, UM, I KNOW THAT WE FOUGHT OVER THE 200,000 FOR IT. 
          UH, I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ANY KIND OF CONTRACT FEES OR ANY KIND OF DESIGN FEES WOULD BE USED WITH THAT. 
          UM, SO I GUESS GOING FORWARD WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS, I KNOW IT SAYS NOT TO EXCEED 42,000, JUST FOR THE PLAN FOR THE ASSISTANCE. 
          I THINK WHEN WE START LOOKING AT PROJECTS AND WE'LL, WE'RE GIVEN THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT TO, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING IN DURING THE BUDGET, WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE FEES AND ALL OF THOSE PLANS IN PLACE. 
          CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE NOW WE'RE, IF WE, IF THIS GOES THROUGH IT'S 200,040, 2,242,000 NOW, FOR WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTROLLING, I WILL REALLY THROW THE BLAME ON TO HECM FOR BEING SO GOOD WITH OUR OTHER PROJECTS. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY USED AN ORANGE REP, UH, WHEN WE'VE USED ATCM SERVICES FOR SEVERAL OF OUR PROJECTS GOING INTO THIS NEW PROJECT, THE 200,000 WAS JUST FOR THE DESIGN PHASE, BUT WE REALIZED HOW VALUABLE THAT OWNERS ARE WAS. 
          AND SO THIS IS AN UNANTICIPATED COST. 
          I HAVE, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. 
          THE FIRST IS, UH, I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH US FROM WAY BACK WHEN WE HIRED AN OWNER'S REP TO HELP TO ASSIST WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT WE DID NOT HAVE AN OWNER'S REP AS A PART OF THE DESIGN AND IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME, UH, AND, UH, THAT, THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY MISSED ON OUR PART BECAUSE WE'D HAD AN OWNER'S REP FROM THE BEGINNING, HE WOULD HAVE HELPED MATCH OUR EXPECTATIONS WITH OUR BUDGET, WITH THE FINAL PROJECT PRODUCT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY I, AND YOU KNOW, I LIKED THE IDEA OF US TRYING A PROJECT WITH A, WITH A REP FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT'S. 
          SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING. 
          THE SECOND THING IS REALLY MORE OF A CONVERSATION FOR THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD COMES FROM ME, FLOORS, KALE AND CUSTOMER TOBIA, I THINK IS VERY VALID. 
          IF WE HAVE A 42, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE STARTING TO EXPEND MONEY, BUT WE HAVE NOT YET EVEN TRIGGERED HAVING RAISED ENOUGH TO START THE DESIGN, THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THAT 42,000 CAN'T BE HIT UNLESS, SO I'M WHAT I'M BASICALLY THE WAY I'M READING. 
          THIS IS, UM, UH, PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES TO HELP GET US ACROSS THAT FIRST THRESHOLD THAT MIGHT COST FIVE OR $10,000 TO TELL ME IF THAT'S THAT'S STRONG CAUSE THE 40 
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TWOS TO CARRY ALL THE WAY THROUGH DESIGN, BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THE FIRST PART THAT SOMEONE THAT WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE MEETINGS REPRESENTING OUR INTERESTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, I FEEL GOOD. 
          BUT THEN THE QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL IS REALLY, I THINK THE TOTAL, UH, DESIGN COST IS 600, 600, ROUGHLY 600,000. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE AT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE AT 500. 
          SO AT SOME POINT THERE'S KIND OF A QUESTION OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WAS IT JOHN SNYDER SAID, YOU CAN BE, WHAT DOES HE SAID? AND IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT OR YOU CAN BE FAST, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, STICK TO EXACTLY THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT SET UP, THEN WE'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE WAITING FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL TO KICKSTART THIS PROJECT. 
          AND IS THAT REALLY WHAT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO CONSIDERING RIGHT WHERE WE'RE AT, AND I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY GO TO 300, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF WE SPLIT IT IN SOME OTHER WAY IN ORDER TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO THE DESIGN, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A, IS THERE A CONVERSATION WORTH HAVING TO TRY TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT GAP? BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT LEVERS. 
          I ACTUALLY WANTED TO START THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GIVE THEM A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO SEE THEY GET HALF OF WHAT THEY'RE STILL SHORT OF THE OTHER, WHAT IS IT? A A HUNDRED THOUSAND I'M RAISING A HUNDRED SHOWS. 
          THEY GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR THEY COULD RAISE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEN SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS, MAYBE WHEN WE COME BACK TO OUR JANUARY MEETING AND THEN HAVING DISCUSSION TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT, MAYBE THEN WE COULD LOOK AT WAYS WHERE WE CAN MAYBE, UH, COME UP WITH MAYBE HELPING THEM WITH THAT PROCESS. 
          BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND WAS, I MEAN, THAT'S AMAZING THAT THEY DID THAT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME OF THESE OUT THERE. 
          I THINK WE COULD REACH OUT TO THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARTNER UP WITH THEM. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE ALISON. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT DOING PERHAPS A BUDGET AMENDMENT SOMETIME EARLY NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION, RIGHT? UM, I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION TO HAVE, I JUST WANT TO, I AGREE. 
          AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE DISCUSSION AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING ON THIS. 
          I KNOW, UH, AJC M APPRECIATES THE DISCUSSIONS, BUT YOU MADE THE POINT THAT I WAS WANTING TO MAKE EARLIER ABOUT GETTING THEM EARLIER IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND FOR ME, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STAFF DOING ALL VARIOUS KINDS OF THINGS. 
          I SEE THIS AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NOT TO EXCEED $42,000 THAT WE'RE JUST LIKE WE'RE HAVING AN EMPLOYEE TO FOCUS SOLELY ON THIS PROJECT AND REPRESENT US. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I AGREE WITH HUMIRA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE USED A HECM, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THEM EARLIER IN THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, I WON'T TOUCH THE OTHER THING THAT I KNOW YOU AND I A LOT DIES ON, BUT I WILL SAY TOO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO PART OF US, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET SEASON, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT ANYTHING LOOKS LIKE NOTHING. 
          AND SO I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL DID THOUGH, IT THAT'D BE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET WAS MAKE A COMMITMENT. 
          WE WANTED TO SHOW CAST GOOD FAITH. 
          WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, NO IDEA WHAT THE SCOPE OR THE OVERALL BUDGET, BUT WE MADE A COMMITMENT THERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF JUST CAME WITH THAT NUMBER. 
          UH, NOW WE'RE STARTING TO GET MORE FIRM IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TOWARDS AND I LIKED THIS. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF GOING THIS ROUTE AND I AGREED THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY SEE HOW THINGS KIND OF SHAKE OUT, UH, OVER THIS NEXT MONTH AND THEN MAYBE CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS, MARY. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT, UH, ON ACTION ITEM NUMBER 13. 
          SO GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION BY CUSTOMER RIZZO, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. 
          IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. 
          THANK YOU, RYAN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP, JENNA, ITEM NUMBER 
          [14.  
(First Reading) An Ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas, Establishing an Arts Commission and Providing for General Powers and Duties, Providing for Qualifications for Appointment, Providing for the Appointment of Officers, and Providing for Other Related Matters. ~ Paul Phelan, Director of Library Services
]
14. 
          FIRST READING AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF CALTEX IS ESTABLISHING AN ARTS COMMISSION AND PROVIDING FOR GENERAL POWERS AND DUTIES, UH, QUALIFICATIONS FOR APPOINTMENT APPOINTMENT OF OFFICERS. 
          OTHER RELATED MATTERS. 
          MR. HENDRICKS, MAYOR COUNCIL, JERRY HENDRICKS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. 
          FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU IS A WORD IT'S AS DISCUSSED AT YOUR LAST MEETING, THAT'S BEEN PLACED INTO OUR CUSTOMARY ORDINANCE FORM. 
          A COUPLE OTHER MINOR CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO IT. 
          ONE IS WE'VE REFERENCED THE APPROPRIATE CODE SECTIONS HAVING TO DO WITH QUALIFICATIONS FOR APPOINTMENT MEMBERSHIP, AS WELL AS TERM OF OFFICE. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED SOME LANGUAGE, JUST REFERENCING HER CODE OF ETHICS THAT A COMMISSION WOULD BE AWARE OF THAT CODE OF ETHICS MOVING FORWARD. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, UH, AS YOU DISCUSSED LAST WEEK AND I'M READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, JERRY. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, CUSTOMER TOBIAS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE BY A CONSTITUENT AS WELL. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THE SECTION 2, 1, 1 8 QUALIFICATIONS OF APPOINTMENT AND MEMBERSHIPS. 
          UM, DESCENDANT SAYS, UH, FOUR VOTING MEMBERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE, AND PASSION IN ONE OF THE FOLLOWING AREAS AND PROFESSIONAL FIELDS, UM, LITERATURE, VISUAL ARTS GRAPHICS, PLASTIC ARTS, DECORATIVE ARTS, UH, ARCHITECTURE, AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, AND IT ALSO STATES THAT I GUESS THE COUNCIL OR WE WOULD BE APPOINTING THESE PEOPLE. 
          UM, HONESTLY I DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S IN THE PROFESSIONAL LITERATURE IN, IN AN AREA. 
          SO, UH, I HOPE THAT THIS DOESN'T DISCOURAGE RESIDENTS FOR PUTTING IN FOR THIS OR REQUESTING IF IT SHOWS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE A PROFESSIONAL IN THESE FIELDS. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THAT VERBIAGE RIGHT THERE. 
          JUST KIND OF CONFUSES ME ALL THAT IN. 
          IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO MAYBE TO MAYBE JUST TAKE THAT OUT, HOW TO KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE DIOCESE FEELS ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT TO ME LOOKING AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE IN IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY SAYING IF I WANT TO SERVE, I HAVE TO BE A PROFESSIONAL OR SHOW DOCUMENTATION THAT I'M A PROFESSIONAL IN ANY OF THESE ARTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S A BAKER OR SOMEBODY THAT'S A PAINTER, UM, ARE THEY, ARE THEY QUALIFIED TO BE IN THIS? SO JUST WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE DINOSAURS ON SOME OF THIS VERBIAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. 
          CAUSE WE WERE, I WAS WORKING WITH, UH, THE TASK FORCE AT THE TIME AND, UH, PAUL FEELING, WHO'S BRINGING THIS BACK UP TO US FROM THE LIBRARY BOARD. 
          UM, WE LEFT IT VAGUE INTENTIONALLY TO OPEN IT UP TO MORE PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF VAGUE WHEN YOU READ IT. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY SET ON STONE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SET QUALITY, BUT UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A SET DOCUMENT SAYING THAT YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL. 
          SO WE JUST, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT QUALIFICATIONS, WE LEFT THE VAGUE TO, TO MAKE IT SURE. 
          THERE WAS PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THE ARTS. 
          MAYBE IT'S SOMEBODY THAT LOVES TO LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT HAS A BACKGROUND IN, IN, IN JUDGING MUSIC, CLASSICAL MUSIC, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SOMEBODY LOVES ART, BUT CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT DOES UNDERSTAND ART AS A HISTORY. 
          SO WE DID LEAVE IT VAGUE FOR A REASON TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE MORE PEOPLE, MAKE IT MORE INCLUSIVE. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER COUNCIL MEMBER? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COUNCILOR, ELLISON. 
          UM, I CERTAINLY HAD THE STANDARD CONCERN AND UH, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER SHOW CAME AND TALKED TO US LAST TIME ABOUT IT. 
          SO I KNOW WHO THE RESIDENT IS. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, FOR ME, I DON'T, I PERSONALLY, WHEN WE WERE CRAPPINESS DON'T THINK THAT THAT EXCLUDES ANYBODY FROM APPLYING, IT'LL BE THE SAME AS OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CURRENTLY AS OUR POLICIES WRITTEN, UH, THAT THEY, THAT PEOPLE COULD APPLY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S UP TO DISCRETION OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT INTERVIEW AND THEN THE COUNCIL TO WEIGH OR YAY OR NAY THAT. 
          SO IT'S STILL THE SAME PROCESS. 
          UH, SO, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER STATED ABOUT. 
          WE WERE PURPOSELY TRYING TO MAKE IT VAGUE, SO PEOPLE WOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE THREW THE PASSIONATE PERSON IN THERE AND JUST THINGS ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT FOR ME, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN RAISED BY THE CITIZEN. 
          I'M COMPLETELY OPEN TO CHANGING THE LANGUAGE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT I, I, IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK THIS LANGUAGE EXCLUDES ANYBODY FROM APPLYING, BUT LIKE I SAID, OPENED UP ANY OTHER WORDSMITHING. 
          IF WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE IT MORE INCLUSIVE, THE CUSTOMER FOR SCALE, THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENT IS TO DEMONSTRATE KNOWLEDGE AND PASSION. 
          SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ANYBODY'S COMING UP WITH PROFESSIONAL. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE A PROFESSIONAL. 
          THE PROFESSIONAL ACTUALLY PERTAINS TO THE FIELDS. 
          SO WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE AT PROFESSIONAL. 
          WE'RE SAYING THESE FIELDS HAVE TO BE PROFESSIONAL, BUT YOUR REQUIREMENT HAS TO JUST BE TO DEMONSTRATE KNOWLEDGE AND PASSION. 
          AND ONE OR TWO OF THE VOTING MEMBERS WILL BE REGULAR CITIZENS THAT SAYS, UH, SO NOT DEMONSTRATING ANY OF THAT FOR DEMONSTRATING THOSE AREAS. 
          AND ONE VOTING MEMBER WOULD BE APPOINTED FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          SO THE TWO RESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENTS WILL BE VOTING MEMBERS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE ANY KIND OF BACKGROUND IN ARTS. 
          ARE THERE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 14, 14. 
          I'LL GO IN SECOND MOTION 
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BY CUSTOMER FLOORS, KALE SECOND BY CUSTOMER TO BE A SCISSOR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 15. 
          DISCUSSION ON SCHEDULE. 
          CAN WE FINALLY PASSED? UH, YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS SOME, SOME REASON WHY THEY, IT IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME BACK. 
          I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING PAGE SAID ARTICLE. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S, YEAH, IT HAS TO, EVEN IF IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          WELL, NO, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T, UH, OBJECT, WE CAN FINALLY PASS IT. 
          NOW. 
          THIS IS THE POINT, RIGHT? IT'S AN ORDINARY. 
          THE LAST ONE WAS AN UPDATE OR DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I DON'T RECALL. 
          UM, ANY OBJECTION TO THIS BEING FINALLY PASSED. 
          YOU JUST FINALLY PASSED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP AGENDA 
          [15.  Discussion on scheduling a date and other necessary related items for the 2022 visioning workshop of council and pertinent staff. ~ Dex Ellison, Council Member]
ITEM, NUMBER 15, DISCUSSION ON SCHEDULING A DATE AND OTHER NECESSARY RELATED ITEMS FOR THE 2022 VISIONING WORKSHOP OF COUNCIL AND PERTINENT STAFF. 
          THAT'S WHERE ELSA IT'S. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I PURPOSELY TRIED NOT TO TALK MUCH BEFORE THE MEETING, CAUSE I KNOW I HAVE THREE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO TRY TO MAKE THIS AS SUCCINCT AND QUICK. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I PUT IT IN A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. 
          UH, SO THIS IS THIS THE CALLED VISIONING WORKSHOP. 
          SO JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, OUR MEMBER, I KNOW ARE A YEAR OLD MEMBERS, UH, ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE WE DID EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          SO THE IDEA OF THE VISIONING WORKSHOP IS, UH, WE'VE DONE TWO YEARS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. 
          THE IDEA IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO COME TOGETHER AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR VISIONS AND GOALS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR AND TRY TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE, NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. 
          WE WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FIGURE OUT NUMBERS AND FINANCES AND ALL THIS. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE COME AND BRING IDEAS THAT WE WANT ALL TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          AND SO, AND THE SECOND SLIDE THERE, SORRY, CAN WE GET THAT UP? YEAH. 
          IT'S THE OLD WATER TOWER THOUGH, OR THE OLD, I COULDN'T FIND A NEW ONE. 
          YOU WORKING ON IT, SCOTT? I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THOUGHT THEY HAD IT IN THE BACK. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SIX AREAS OF FOCUS, I GUESS COUNCIL KIND OF HAS IT, UH, WE'LL GET IT UP FOR THE PUBLIC HERE SHORTLY, BUT THOSE ARE THE SIX AREAS OF FOCUS. 
          I DID NOT COME UP WITH THESE ON MY OWN. 
          THESE ARE WHAT, WHAT WAS AGREED UPON WHEN WE FIRST DID OUR FIRST BUDGET OR VISIONING WORKSHOP IN 2019. 
          UH, SO QUALITY OF LIFE, PUBLIC SAFETY, BUSINESS GROWTH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND IMAGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS. 
          SO THE IDEA IS FOR US TO COME TOGETHER WITH, WITHIN THOSE DIFFERENT FOCUS AREAS, TO COME WITH IDEAS AND A VISION FOR THAT. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          THIRD SLIDE. 
          SO THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE KIND OF TALKED AND TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY. 
          I WANT TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING IN JANUARY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I PUT THIS ON THIS MEETING. 
          UH, WE ONLY ARE GUARANTEED 24 MEETINGS A MONTH OR 24 MEETINGS A YEAR 24 MEETINGS A MONTH. 
          IT FEELS LIKE A 24 MEETINGS A YEAR. 
          WE HAVE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT RELY ON US TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING STAFF OF COURSE. 
          AND I THINK IT'S JUST BEST THAT WE TRY AND SCHEDULE THIS VISIONING WORKSHOPS. 
          SO SLIDE THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE ON IT IS EARLY IN THE YEAR AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO JANUARY, MAYBE EVEN EARLY FEBRUARY. 
          SO THE THINGS TO FIGURE OUT BASED ON JUST THE EXPERIENCE OF DEALING WITH THESE THINGS, UH, THE DATE, ONCE AGAIN, TYPICALLY HELD OVER A SATURDAY, SUNDAY, UH, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT A FACILITATOR AT ALL. 
          WE'VE HAD ONE THE PAST TWO YEARS, I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN UNDERWHELMED WITH THEM, BUT THAT'S ME, UH, PARTICIPANTS COUNCIL AND WHICH CITY STAFF WE WOULD HAVE THERE. 
          OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT TOPICS BEYOND THE DISCUSSION OF THE SIX AREAS OF FOCUS, UH, LOCATION, AND THEN OPEN TO COUNCIL ON ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO I TRIED TO PUT THAT REAL SUCCINCT AND PUT THAT OUT FOR, Y'ALL BASICALLY JUST KIND OF STARTING TO DISCUSSION, START PEOPLE, LOOKING AT THEIR CALENDARS, ALL Y'ALL ALL HAVE FAMILIES. 
          SO I KNOW IT'S, IT'S CRAZY. 
          SO BUT, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS ON THE CALENDAR AND SCHEDULED. 
          CAUSE IF WE DO GET A FACILITATOR, THAT MEANS SCOTT'S GONNA REALLY HAVE TO HAMMER DOWN AND FIGURING OUT THE DATES AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          SO EVEN IF WE DON'T FIND A DATE RIGHT NOW ON THIS DYESS, MAYBE WE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO START WORKING OUT SOME KIND OF PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DATES WAIT FOR US. 
          I HOPE I COVERED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND OF COURSE, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST, UH, MAYOR JUST WANT TO REITERATE THE, ALL THESE VISIONING WORKSHOPS ARE REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE WE'RE ALL, UM, NOT A BUNCH OF ROBOTS UP HERE. 
          WE ALL THINK DIFFERENTLY. 
          WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT VISIONS FOR THE CITY, BUT THESE WORKSHOPS HELP US COME TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT A ROAD ROAD FOR THE YEAR. 
          SO TRAVELING DOWN THAT ROAD TOGETHER ALWAYS WORKS OUT 
          [01:00:01]
SO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERYBODY JUST WANDERING EVERYWHERE. 
          SO I REALLY LOVE THAT. 
          WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING ANOTHER VISION WORKSHOP. 
          I'VE FOUND THEM VERY BENEFICIAL, VERY CRUCIAL IN NAVIGATING THE YEAR AND GIVING IT GIVES STAFF KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHERE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO AS A WHOLE. 
          SO I DEFINITELY HOPE THAT WE CAN PUT THIS TOGETHER AGAIN AND I'VE KIND OF LIKED THE FACILITATORS. 
          IT'S, I'VE LEARNED SOME STUFF FROM HOME, SO IT'S DEFINITELY GOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M STILL, I STILL CONSIDER MYSELF A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER AND UH, I STILL LOVE, UH, SOAKING UP ALL THE INFORMATION I CAN, ESPECIALLY FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN MY SHOES. 
          SO DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, BUT I I'M, I'M HOPING WE CAN GET THIS DONE EARLY, SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET ON THE NEW YEAR WITH A RUNNING START. 
          SO DEFINITELY, UH, CUSTOMER TOBY'S. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SCOTT, YOU, AND I SWEAR, I'D ALREADY KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER AND A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, A RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, OR LIKE TO SEE, AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO IT IS THESE WORKSHOPS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM IN CITY. 
          IF POSSIBLE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM IN TOWN. 
          WE CAN USE A FACILITY HERE SOMEWHERE. 
          WE CAN USE A LOCAL BUSINESS. 
          WE CAN CHOOSE FROM THERE. 
          SECOND THING IS, IS THAT AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE ABOUT BRINGING THE COMMITTEES IN THE BOARDS TO THESE WORKSHOPS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE FIRST HALF OF THE MORNING TO DISCUSS THEIR ROLES, WHAT VISIONS THEY HAVE AS WELL, ACTUALLY FOR ALL OF US TO MEET SOME OF THEM. 
          CAUSE I HAVEN'T MET MAJORITY OF THEM. 
          MAYBE IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR, UH, OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBER TO, UH, SEE WHO THEY ARE AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE CAN BE REAL INCLUSIVE ON THAT END. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE DATES GO, I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALREADY ARE THE BETTER, UH, AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE CALENDAR DATES, JANUARY 15, 16, 20 SECOND, OR FEBRUARY 19TH AND 20TH. 
          I KNOW THE WEEK BEFORE IS VALENTINE'S WEEKEND IN FEBRUARY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, EVEN WHEN WE HAD THE BUDGET MEETING ABOUT BRINGING THE BOARDS, THE PARK BOARDS, THE LIBRARY BOARD, UH, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTERS THIS TIME AROUND, UH, ALSO, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING, WHOEVER WE HAVE ON BOARD RIGHT NOW TO INCLUDE THEM IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND JUST HAVE THAT KIND OF, UH, INPUT FROM THEM. 
          AND THEN THEY CAN ALSO SEE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING. 
          AND WE CAN JUST DO THAT THE FIRST PART OF THE MORNING BREAK FOR LUNCH, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH THE WORKSHOP, THE FOLLOWING THE REST OF THE AFTERNOON AND THE NEXT DAY IF NEEDED. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SCALE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M, I'M ON BOARD WITH PARKS AND COMMITTEES BEING INCLUDED, BUT I W I THINK IT'S A LOT TO HAVE EVERYBODY THERE. 
          SO MAYBE CHAIRS, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I GIVE THEM A REASON TO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE IN THAT CHAIR, UM, OR IN THAT POSITION. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE DIRECTORS, THEY'RE JUST ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH DEPARTMENT THAT CAN KIND OF GIVE US A GOOD INSIGHT AND WHAT THEY WANT I SEE, AND WHAT THEIR HOPES ARE. 
          UM, BUT I'M NOT TOTALLY OPPOSED TO NOT BEING IN KYLE. 
          LIKE I THINK WE COULD BE AROUND AUSTIN OR NEW BRAUNFELS. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME SOMETIMES BEING THIS LOCALS TOO EASY TO GO HOME AND BE LIKE, YEAH, MAYBE I WON'T GO BACK, BUT, UM, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE COMPLETELY LIKE, THEY KNOW WE HAVE TO STAY IN KYLE, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO STAYING HERE EITHER AS LONG AS THERE'S A PLACE EFFICIENT ENOUGH, UM, TO BE ABLE TO CATER TO ALL OF US, PLUS THE CHAIRS PLUS THE DIRECTORS, AND THEN I'D BE, UM, AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S IT, THAT'S WHERE BRADSHAW, UH, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. 
          I AM COMPLETELY FLEXIBLE IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE WEEKENDS. 
          UM, SAME WITH EARLY FEBRUARY. 
          I'M SURE MY HUSBAND WOULD BE QUITE UPSET IF I SCHEDULED ANYTHING AROUND VALENTINE'S DAY. 
          AS FAR AS THE FACILITATOR GOES, I TOO, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS VALUE, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THE VALUE THAT WAS PRESENT AT LEAST AT THE VISION WORKSHOP FROM LAST YEAR MATCHED THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE PAID FOR IT. 
          THAT IS, THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT POINT. 
          UM, EXCELLENT SUGGESTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES, KALE AND COUNCIL MEMBER TOBY IS WITH HAVING, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS OR CHAIRS THERE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          AND MAYBE THE MONEY THAT WE SAVED FROM HAVING A FACILITATOR COULD BE ALLOCATED TO HAVING THOSE PEOPLE PRESENT AND A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS LOCATION, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER TOBY'S I, AS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T EVEN REALLY LIKE TO TRAVEL, I WILL SAY THAT ME BEING AWAY 
          [01:05:01]
FROM HOME AWAY FROM MY DAY-TO-DAY OBLIGATIONS, MY BUSINESS, MY CHILDREN, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS SOLELY ON WHAT WE WERE THERE TO DO AT THE PREVIOUS VISION WORKSHOP GOT SOMEWHERE ELSE HAS EVERYBODY'S SPOKEN. 
          SO YOU CAN GO GRAB YOU GET GOOD. 
          OH, WELL, I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS AWESOME. 
          SO I HAVE A FEW IDEAS. 
          SO THE ONLY I'LL SAY THAT THE FRUSTRATION PART WITH ME, AND I'VE ALREADY TOLD SCOTT ABOUT THIS WAS THAT I'M FINE WITH A FACILITATOR, AS LONG AS I DON'T HAVE TO DEBATE THEM. 
          IF I HAVE FACILITATORS DEBATING ME ON AN IDEA THAT I BRING FORWARD AND ENVISIONING WORKSHOP, THERE'S ONLY SIX PEOPLE THAT I NEED TO REALLY DEBATE. 
          IT'S YOU ALL? AND I HAVE FUN WITH THAT AND THAT'S ENOUGH WORK. 
          IT IS IT, THAT WAS MY PROBLEM WITH THE LAST FACILITATOR. 
          AND I TOLD YOU THAT. 
          SO THAT IS JUST MY CHALLENGE. 
          SOMEBODY THAT CAN JUST STAY NEUTRAL AND HELP US MOVE ALONG, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THEM ON MY IDEAS. 
          THAT'S MY ONLY THING, AS FAR AS THE PARTICIPANTS, I'LL SAY THIS. 
          SO MY INITIAL IDEA WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE VISIONING WORKSHOP. 
          WE WORKED WITH STAFF. 
          WE ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          WE DID THE HARD WORK TO GET ELECTED AND GET TO THIS POINT. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD GO AND MEET WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ON THEIR DAYS. 
          NOW I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF GETTING THEM THERE BECAUSE I LIKED THE IDEA BECAUSE I DO WANT TO INCLUDE THEM. 
          THAT THAT IS A GOAL IS TO INCLUDE OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS WELL. 
          MY THING IS JUST CERTAINLY CHAIR IS GREAT, BUT I WANT TO GET THEM ALL LOOPED IN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN SEEING AND ATTENDING BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEETINGS THIS YEAR IS THEY ARE THIRSTY FOR KNOWLEDGE AND WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND THEY WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF THE INSIDE PERSON IN THEIR LITTLE CIRCLES BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THIS BOARD OF COMMISSION. 
          AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THEY SHOULDN'T BE LEARNING FROM SOCIAL MEDIA AND STUFF ABOUT PARKS AND THINGS FROM THAT, LIKE ANY OTHER RESIDENTS. 
          SO I GET THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS JUST MY IDEA THAT WE COULD COME BACK AFTER HASHING IT OUT. 
          CAUSE THESE ARE SOME VERY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. 
          AND MY ONLY OTHER CHALLENGE TO YOU ALL I'M INDIFFERENT ABOUT THE LOCATION. 
          I'LL BE HONEST. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BRADSHAW DOES MAKE A REALLY STRONG POINT THOUGH, BUT THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION I WILL EMPLOY Y'ALL AND I'M GONNA BEAT Y'ALL UP ABOUT BRINGING VISIONS AND IDEAS WITHIN, WITHIN THOSE SECTIONS. 
          WE'VE GOT TO COME WITH DIRECTION AND IDEAS FOR STAFF TO COME FORWARD, BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED OVER THESE PAST TWO YEARS, WHEN WE'VE DONE THESE VISIONING WORKSHOPS, WE HAVE BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE IN A YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS. 
          SCOTT CAN TAKE ALL THESE NOTES AND THEN GIVE THE DIRECTION THROUGHOUT THE DIRECTORS, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PAST IS ANY DIRECTORS THAT WEREN'T THERE IN DEPARTMENTS, HE WOULD COME BACK AND FILL THEM IN AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE THE IDEAS. 
          BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M JUST EXCITED. 
          WE'RE GOING TO, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AGAIN, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES MAKE US VERY PRODUCTIVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          UM, SO, UM, UM, I THINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING CUSTOMER TOBY SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S WANTING TO KEEP IT CLOSE TO, HE CAN BRING PEOPLE AND THE DESIRE THERE TO BE. 
          UM, UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DESIRE, RIGHT? IT'S IT'S CAUSE WE HAVE IT FAR AWAY. 
          YOU GOT, OBVIOUSLY, IT, IT, IT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU BRING, YOU KNOW? AND SO, BUT, SO I, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WHAT CUSTOMER ELLISON IS SAYING IS PROBABLY THE MOST ACCURATE, WHICH IS TO SAY THE VISIONING WORKSHOP IS ABOUT THE SIX OF US. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE SEVEN OF US. 
          IT'S ABOUT, UH, SENIOR STAFF AND USING EVERY MINUTE OF THAT TIME TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO SAY. 
          AND THEN SEPARATELY, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE AS IT RELATES TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT DEPARTMENT HEAD AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING GOOD AND GETTING THAT FEEDBACK, WHICH MAYBE THE VISIONING WORKSHOP AS, AS WE'VE BEEN APPLYING IT LATELY, ISN'T THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT, BUT THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY A DESIRE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IS IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO HAVE A VISIONING WORKSHOP WHERE WE'VE ALL BROUGHT A LOT OF WORK TO THE TABLE AND THINGS TO SAY, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE STRUGGLE ENOUGH TO, TO GET OUR THOUGHTS IN JUST WITH THE SEVEN OF US AND SENIOR STAFF. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER IT BE, IF IT'S GOING TO BE WHERE WE REALLY OPEN IT UP AND TRY TO GET A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO COME, I WOULD RATHER BE LOCAL. 
          BUT IF WE'RE FOCUSED ON KEEPING THE BASIC SAME BASIC AUDIENCE THAT WE'VE HAD THE LAST TWO YEARS, UM, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR AND BRUSH ON THAT WE SHOULD, UM, WE SHOULD GO OUT. 
          UH, SO CUSTOMERS ZONE, UH, YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          UM, I WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE THERE. 
          UH, THE, THE THING THAT CONCERNED ME A LITTLE BIT WHEN IT COMES TO WHERE TOBY WAS, WHEN YOU SAID THAT THEY WOULD HAVE CONVERSATION WITH 
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US AS WELL, AND THAT KIND OF CONCERNS, BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER THE VISIONING WORKSHOP LAST YEAR, WE ACTUALLY MONOPOLIZED A LOT OF THE TIME JUST AMONG OURSELVES, ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO THAT. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER DAY EASY. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO SACRIFICE THREE DAYS, UH, TO, UH, CAUSE YOUR, YOUR, THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD REALLY WENT ON FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS, THIS WILL BE MY THIRD VERGING WORKSHOP. 
          THIS WILL BE YOUR SECOND, BUT WHEN WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND WE'RE HASHING OUT THE ROADMAP AND YOU'RE ADDING OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS AND IDEAS, YOU'RE GOING TO LINK TO THAT PROCESS. 
          AND THAT WORRIES ME NOW, THEY'RE THERE JUST TO LISTEN. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULDN'T MIND, BUT IF YOU'RE ADDING MORE PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS IN THERE, WE'RE THE ELECTED, WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT ROADMAP. 
          WE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO NAVIGATE THIS AND WORK WITH STAFF. 
          SO I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CONVERSATION. 
          I I'M OKAY WITH THEM COMING IN AND LISTENING, BUT NOT PARTICIPATING BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT US COMING TOGETHER AS A GROUP, AS A COUNCIL AND SEEING THE VISION FOR THE CITY FOR THE YEAR. 
          AND AS FAR AS BEING LOCAL, I WOULDN'T MIND THAT, BUT THE ONE THING YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS WE DO THESE, AND THAT'S GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER. 
          THERE'S THINGS THAT I LEARNED ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON IN THE FIRST, UH, WORKSHOP WE DID. 
          AND THE SECOND ONE THAT REALLY MADE ME RESPECT WHO HE IS AS A PERSON. 
          AND I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE FULL DAYS AND THE EVENING DINNERS TOGETHER. 
          AND SO I THINK WE'LL LOSE SOME THINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GOT A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, NOT GIVING HER THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD KIND OF CHEATING HER IN A WAY. 
          BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE DON'T GO TOO FAR AWAY, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO BACK HOME, WE'RE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER, HANG OUT TOGETHER. 
          IT'S THAT BONDING IT'S EVEN THE, UH, EXERCISE WE HAVE OF TEAM BUILDING, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR WE HAD A LITTLE EXERCISE THAT WE DID. 
          SO HAVING THAT EXERCISE INVOLVED IN THERE ALSO HELPS IT'S ABOUT MOVING TOGETHER AS A TEAM, US ALL WORKING TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I SEE IT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          LET MEAN, IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT BRINGING THE BOARD SKINNER. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE THEIR ALL THEIR INPUT AND THEY'RE LISTENING TO EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING. 
          JUST GIVING THEM AT LEAST TWO HOURS OF OUR TIME IN THE MORNING. 
          THAT'S IT JUST TWO HOURS TO PRESENT THEMSELVES. 
          HI, I'M SO-AND-SO HELLO? I'M SO-AND-SO I JUST GOT APPOINTED AND THIS IS THE GREAT THINGS THAT I SEE, AND I APPRECIATE BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE. 
          AND THIS IS THE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT YOU GUYS HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ON THE SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S INCLUDING THEM THAT IT'S HEARING THEM TELL US WHY THEY'RE THEY ENJOY BEING ON THESE BOARDS. 
          IT IS, IT IS THAT IT'S NOT TO SAY THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE INPUT AS FAR AS OUR WORK, UH, AS FAR AS THE WORK SHOP GOES, IT'S JUST BRINGING THEM TOGETHER AND ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THEM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING. 
          AND IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ALL DAY WITH THEM. 
          IT'S JUST GIVING THEM LEAST THE RESPECT OF JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS TOGETHER WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS SINCE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER AND IT'S NOT IN THE MEETING, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA RIGHT OFF THE BAT, JUST IN THE MORNING, JUST BRINGING THEM TOGETHER AND, AND VISITING WITH THEM. 
          UH, AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND. 
          IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T, WE'RE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          WE'RE THE ONES THAT TELL THEM THE DIRECTION WE NEED. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S ABOUT JUST INCLUDING THEM. 
          IT'S JUST INCLUDING THEM AND LETTING THEM HAVE A SAY OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PROJECT AND SO FORTH. 
          AND THEN THAT'S IT. 
          I MEAN, I, A LOT OF YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH ME AND THAT'S FINE, I GET IT. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST THE POINT. 
          I'LL JUST TRY TO MAKE IT JUST INCLUDING THEM, WHICH WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. 
          WHAT I THINK THEY'RE SAYING IS THEY WANT TO DO THAT TOO, BUT THEY DON'T SEE THE VISIONING WORKSHOP AS BEING THE BEST FORUM FOR ACCOMPLISHING THAT. 
          SO WE CAN SCHEDULE TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING SOVIET YES. 
          MAYBE WE CAN SCHEDULE SOMETHING ELSE AT SOME OTHER TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL DEFINITELY, I'LL BE IN FAVOR FOR THAT. 
          AND, UH, I THINK I KNOW COUNCIL WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN HAS MADE IT A POINT OF VISITING OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          I'M STARTING TO DO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GIVING THEM, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME OF OUR FEEDBACK AS A COUNCIL. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I ENCOURAGE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO AS WELL WHEN THEY HAVE TIME. 
          I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S TOUGH. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE GOT FAMILIES, WE'VE GOT JOBS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE LIMITED, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES JUST SEEING US THERE HELPS THESE COMMISSIONS AS WELL, BUT I'D LOVE TO SET SOMETHING UP FOR A SATURDAY MORNING. 
          UH, MAYBE HEARING A COUNSELOR CHAMBERS AND GET OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HERE AND JUST KIND OF LET SCOTT GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'D DISCUSSED, UH, AT OUR VISION WORKSHOP. 
          THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND SO, AND I APPRECIATE THE BREADTH OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT FOR ME, I DON'T WANT TO RUSH THROUGH AND JUST KIND OF HAVE A MEET AND GREET WITH THEM AND THEN SEND THEM OFF. 
          THAT'S WHY I'VE 
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BEEN IMPLORING COUNCIL. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE A JOINT MEETING. 
          I'M NOT EVEN SAYING ON A SATURDAY, LET'S MEET ON THE DAY THAT THEY MEET NORMALLY AND HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THEM AND HAVE A FULL FLEDGED DISCUSSION, GO TO THE CHARTER. 
          AND, UH, SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE ROLE OF THAT BOARD AND COMMISSION IS. 
          THE COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THE BROADER THAT BOARD AND COMMISSION AND TRULY GIVE THEM UNDIVIDED ATTENTION THROUGHOUT AN ENTIRE WORKSHOP MEETING WITH JUST THEM AND FOCUS ON PARKS OR FOCUS ON LIBRARY OR WHATEVER ELSE IT IS FOR ME, I FEEL LIKE JUST KIND OF INVITING THEM FOR TWO HOURS. 
          ONE, I WOULDN'T WANT THE FACILITATOR BE THERE CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PAY A FACILITATOR, JUST SIT AND LISTEN TO US, COMMUNICATE WITH OUR BOYS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          BUT TWO, I WANT TO GIVE THEM LIKE RIZZO IN OUR, APPRECIATE THIS TOO. 
          WHEN WE GO TO THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THEY LIGHT UP, IT MAKES THEIR WORLD WHEN THEY SEE ONE OF US, IT'S, IT'S QUITE INCREDIBLE. 
          BUT TH THAT'S WHY I WOULD RATHER HOLD OFF FROM BRINGING THEM TO THIS AND GIVE THEM OUR FULL UNDIVIDED ATTENTION IN A JOINT MEETING WITH THEM, PREFERABLY ON A NIGHT THAT THEY MEET AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND WE CAN HASH OUT EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TELL THEM WHAT OUR VISIONS WERE. 
          WE CAN GIVE THEM THE WHOLE GAUNTLET OF IT AND HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH JUST THEM AND NOT JUST KIND OF MOVING THROUGH ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN A COUPLE OF HOURS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WORKSHOP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CAN WE SET A DATE? I THINK PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS WITH THE DOODLE POLL. 
          UH, THAT'S REALLY NOT A SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS, PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EVEN HERE THAT SAY FACILITATOR, NO FACILITATOR. 
          FIRST OF ALL. 
          WELL, IF THE ANSWER IS NO FACILITATOR, UM, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE EITHER WAY BECAUSE WHEN WE DO EXTRA WORK FOR YOU, WELL, EITHER WAY, IT'S FINE. 
          UH, I'M, I'M FINE. 
          IF THERE'S NOT A FACILITATOR. 
          UH THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          IF THERE IS ONE THOUGH, IT'S JUST NEGOTIATING A DATE BECAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY FAIRLY BOOKED THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. 
          WELL, WE'VE DONE IT. 
          WE'VE DONE IT TWO YEARS. 
          I'M KIND OF IN BETWEEN, I THINK WE'RE RIZZO AND ELLISON WERE PROBABLY ABOUT WHERE BRADSHAW WAS. 
          SO I'M NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WHY NOT GIVE IT A SHOT AND SEE, AND SEE IF IT IMPROVES AS MY THOUGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MEANS THAT THERE'S MORE OF A BURDEN ON, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A LIST READY TO GO, US, US TO, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL ONE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I JUST DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THEM ON MY IDEAS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS LATE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, YOU CAN JUST SEND OUT SOME POLLS. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA REALLY THINK ABOUT THE CONFLICT BECAUSE IF YOU SAY YOU CAN'T GO, YOU'RE BASICALLY TRYING TO BLOCK IT OUT. 
          AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET AS MANY OF US AS THERE AS POSSIBLE PREFERABLY. 
          OH, I THINK ALL OF US, IF EVEN ONE OF US IS NOT THERE, IT'S NOT WORTH GOING. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE TO COME TO GATHER AS A BODY, SO WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER. 
          AND IF SOMEBODY MISSES OUT, THEN IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH GOING. 
          OKAY, IT'S GOTTA BE EVERYBODY OR NOBODY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU HANDLE HELPING US GET THAT SCHEDULED YOU? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? THAT WAS GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, 
          [16.  Consider options for the creation of a policy for councilmember task forces to adhere by. ~ Dex Ellison, Council Member
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CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR THE CREATION OF A POLICY FOR COUNCIL MEMBER TASKFORCES TO ADHERE BY CUSTOMER NELSON. 
          LET'S KEEP THAT GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          ROLLING. 
          ALRIGHT, SO IT CHANGED UP THE LITTLE FRONT THERE TASKFORCE POLICY HERE. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. 
          SO A WHILE BACK IN A WAY TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS MOVING, NOT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KEEPING THEM MOVING, BUT REALLY IMPLORE THE COUNSEL'S INPUT ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAD THESE PAST TWO YEARS. 
          WE'VE BEEN JUST RUNNING THROUGH ALL KINDS OF PROJECTS. 
          WE'VE BEEN A VERY BUSY CITY. 
          THERE'S A REASON WHY WE'VE HAD ALL THESE GROUNDBREAKINGS AND EVEN RIBBON CUTTINGS COMING. 
          UH, AND SO THE TASK FORCE, I KNOW WE VOTED PREVIOUSLY ABOLISHED HIM AND I UNDERSTOOD WHY WE NEVER REALLY HAD ANYTHING CODIFIED, ANY KIND OF POLICY THAT WE COULD REALLY TURN BACK TO. 
          IT WOULD JUST KIND OF US JUST WILLY NILLY, FIGURING IT OUT. 
          AND SO IN THE INITIAL IDEAS, A SLIDE OF THE POWERPOINT I HAVE HERE, WHICH IS THE ONLY, IT'S A TWO SLIDE POWERPOINT, UH, UH, I POINTED OUT ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT AREAS THAT I INITIALLY IDENTIFIED JUST FROM HEARING DISCUSSION AND PAIN POINTS AND THINGS THAT CAUSE PEOPLE A LITTLE STOMACH ACHE. 
          AND SO I'M GOING TO JUST GO THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE WAS OBVIOUSLY ONE TO THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS OBVIOUSLY NEED AT LEAST ONE, BUT NO MORE THAN THREE AND DESIGNATED STAFF SUPPORT. 
          SO WE'VE TYPICALLY HAD A STAFF MEMBER PUT WITH THAT, BUT IN THE PARENTHESES IS VERY IMPORTANT AND KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH DISCUSSION FROM THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM POTENTIAL FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PARTICIPATION, PARTICIPATION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY COUNCIL. 
          SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND I ACTUALLY WOULD LOVE FOR THAT, NOT TO JUST BE POTENTIAL, BUT A PART OF IT AS WE ARE CREATING THESE TASK FORCE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S RELATED TO PARKS, WE PULLED IT, WE WROTE IN AND ONE OR TWO PART, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, IF IT'S RELATED TO THE LIBRARY OR SOMETHING 
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LIKE THAT, EDUCATION PIECE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT WAY. 
          I THINK FOR US TO REALLY WANT, WE TALKED ABOUT BEING INCLUSIVE WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS REALLY KIND OF BRINGING THEM IN AND HELPING THEM BE, BE A PART OF THAT. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, JUST DESIGNATING WHO COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PART OF THAT SECOND BULLET POINT THERE IT COUNTS WILL BE CLEARLY DEFINED THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE TASK FORCE WILL DO. 
          I THINK THAT'S BEEN ANOTHER PAIN POINT IS PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE TASK FORCE REALLY IS MAKING DECISIONS ON WHERE THEIR PURVIEW IS. 
          SO IF WE CLEARLY DEFINE A SCOPE AND GET THAT WRITTEN OUT AND EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I THINK THAT WILL EASE A LOT OF HEARTBURN. 
          NEXT TASKFORCE, WE REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          THIS WAS A HUGE PAIN POINT HERE. 
          JUST PEOPLE FELT LIKE THEY WERE LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP. 
          MANY MONTHS WOULD GO BY WHERE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THINGS, CERTAIN ITEMS WERE. 
          SO CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO COMING UP WITH A SPECIFIC TIMELINE, WHICH WE WOULD COME BACK ON A PROJECT SO MONTHLY, ET CETERA, AND DO SO UNDER MEREDITH, ALL COUNCIL CAN BE PRESENT TO HEAR. 
          AND THE POINT OF THAT IS JUST SAYING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE EITHER AN EXEC OR AT A PUBLIC SESSION MEETING WHERE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE INVOLVED. 
          NEXT BULLET POINT, CLEARLY DEFINED, DISSOLVE DATE OR DELIVERABLE BEACH TASK FORCE. 
          I KNOW THIS REALLY MEANS A LOT TO MORE PEOPLE THAN OTHERS, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN WITH THE OTHER TASK FORCE WHERE THEY JUST KIND OF RAN ON, UH, WITH THIS ONE, WE HAVE A CLEAR DISSOLVE DATE WHENEVER WE CREATE THE TASK FORCE. 
          SO WHEN THE TASK FORCE CREATED, YOU, YOU IDENTIFY WHO THE PARTICIPANTS ARE. 
          YOU DEFINE THE SCOPE, HOW FREQUENTLY THEY WILL POINT BACK. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE TASK FORCE WILL BE DONE, EITHER BY A DISSOLVE DATE OR CERTAIN DELIVERABLES, A COUPLE MORE BULLET POINTS, AND I'VE DONE SINGLE MEMBER OF DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES GET FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL FOR ANY PROJECT THAT WILL TAKE PLACE WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT. 
          SO THIS HELPS OUT THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE. 
          SO AS YOU HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN YOUR AREA, YOU WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO REFUSE BEING A PART OF THAT TASK FORCE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY APPOINTED TO THAT ESSENTIALLY. 
          UH, SO THAT HELPS OUT OUR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. 
          THEY DON'T FEEL LEFT OUT OF THE PROJECTS IN THEIR BACKYARD. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, ANY TRAVEL IS NEEDED TO BE TAKEN. 
          THIS ONE, IT ALMOST KIND OF FITS THE LITTLE GRAPHIC THAT JUST CAME UP ON THIS. 
          ANY TRAVEL WAS NEED TO BE TAKEN TO ACCOMPLISH TASK FORCE MISSIONS, REPORT TO COUNCIL WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND I KNEW THIS ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT I KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER PAIN POINT, UH, FROM LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND JUST PEOPLE WANTING TO BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          NOT NECESSARILY THEY'RE AGAINST THESE TRAVEL THINGS AND THE GOOD STUFF THAT COMES FROM THEM, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST PEOPLE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF WHEN THOSE TRIPS HAPPEN. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE SIX THINGS THAT I'VE KIND OF IDENTIFIED AS THE PAIN POINTS. 
          SO THEY WANTED A COUNCIL DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHERS, BUT I'LL TAKE ONE STEP BACK. 
          SO I DID CONSULT WITH PAIGE ABOUT THIS AND SHE GAVE A REALLY GREAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          SHE SAID ONE OUTCOME. 
          SHE CAN ANTICIPATE AS THE COUNCIL GIVEN SOME DIRECTION ON WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE TASK FORCES AND HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THEM TO OPERATE, WHICH BIGGIE USED TO CREATE A POLICY FROM THERE. 
          AND SHE SAID, WE CAN TROUBLESHOOT ANY FURTHER LEGAL ISSUES IN DEVELOPING THE POLICY AND SUGGEST SOLUTIONS. 
          SO, FIRST QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO WANT TO DO THIS? DO WE WANT TO CREATE A POLICY? HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THESE BULLET POINTS THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD? DO WE THINK THESE ARE STRONG ONES TO START ON? DO WE HAVE OTHERS THAT WE WANT TO ADD AND THEN, UH, UH, SIMPLY WORKING WITH STAFF TO CREATE THE POLICY, TO BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL, TO REVIEW ONCE AGAIN, BEFORE ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL ADOPTION? UH, YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UH, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS TO WEIGH THEIR INPUT ON THERE AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK, TAKING IT TO STAFF. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, I WASN'T, UH, FOR DISSOLVING THE TASKFORCE, I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY USEFUL WHEN WE USED THEM APPROPRIATELY. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, THE HOURS THAT WE LOGGED IN THERE AS A TASK FORCE HELPED THAT PROJECT, UM, BE BUILT IN REAL TIME, EIGHT MONTHS AFTER THE BOND WAS PASSED, WE'RE NOW BREAKING GROUND, WHICH IS REALLY RECORD-SETTING. 
          AND SO TASKFORCE IS A GREAT, UH, HEROES, MEMORIAL PARK TASKFORCE DID A GREAT JOB. 
          AND IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT SOMETIME TO SPRING, THAT PARK WILL BE OPENING. 
          SO TASKFORCE HAVE THEIR DEFINITELY HAVE THEIR PLACE. 
          I THINK FINDING A WAY OF INCORPORATING WHERE TASKFORCE ARE TRULY NEEDED AND, UH, THE SCOPE EVERYBODY WEIGHING IN ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THE TASKFORCE ACCOMPLISHED WOULD BE GREAT. 
          BUT I DO LOVE THE PART WHERE YOU SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING, GIVING A REPORT, CAUSE THIS WAY, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THESE TASKFORCE ARE DOING. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, YOURSELF AND I, AND, AND, AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WORKED REALLY HARD ON A PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER IN AND OTHER CALLOUTS, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL NEVER KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL NEVER KNOW THE HOURS THAT WE LOGGED IN THERE. 
          SO BEING ABLE TO GIVE A REPORT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          I LOVE THAT. 
          UH, THE TRAVEL I'M GOOD WITH, YOU KNOW, SHARING INFORMATION BECAUSE WHEN WE COME, WE GO SOMEWHERE AND WE'RE LIKE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TRAIL SYSTEMS OR WE'RE LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE OR ANYTHING, WE'RE LOOKING AT 
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TO BRING TO OUR CITY, WE NEED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE REST OF THE COUNSELORS, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND, UH, THAT WAY THE CITY BENEFITS FROM IT, NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE GIVE OF OUR TIME TO GO DO THESE TRIPS. 
          I KNOW THAT A TRIP I TAKE, I HAVE TO TAKE VACATION TIME FOR MY REAL JOB AND THAT'S TIME THAT I'M TAKING AWAY FROM MY FAMILY. 
          SO WHEN I TAKE THESE TRIPS, I, THE MORE INFORMATION I CAN BRING BACK TO THE CITY IS CRUCIAL, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL LIKE I JUST GAVE UP, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS, TWO DAYS TO THE CITY AND NOTHING WAS ACCOMPLISHED THIS WAY. 
          I KNOW THAT ALL THAT INFORMATION IS COMING BACK. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE THERE COMMENTS, SO YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE, UH, IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WANTING US TO CONSIDER ADOPTION. 
          YOU'RE WANTING US TO HAVE SOMETHING BROUGHT BACK. 
          SO I AGREE WITH ALL SIX. 
          SO I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WELL DONE. 
          SO, UM, CUSTOMER TOBY, RIGHT? SOME OF THESE LOOK FAMILIAR FROM THE OTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH JUST, YOU'RE JUST SORT OF CODIFYING WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING WHILE THESE, THESE DO LOOK KIND OF FAMILIAR. 
          I WONDER IF I GOT THEM IN MY NOTES OVER HERE? UH, YEAH. 
          I, I DO AGREE WITH ALL SIX OF THESE. 
          UH, YES, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UH, IF WE DO THESE, WE CAN ADD A BOARD OR COMMISSION, UH, SOMEBODY THAT'S ON BOARD TO HELP WITH THIS, UH, HAVING A TIMELINE, WHICH IS PERFECT, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          UH, IF THERE IS AN AREA IN THIS CITY THAT IS A DISTRICT MEMBER, IF THEY WANT TO BE REPRESENTED IN THEIR, IN THEIR BACKYARD. 
          YES. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT TOO. 
          UH, THE TRAVEL WAS, WAS ALWAYS THE STICKLER ON THIS WHO WENT, WHERE, WHAT WAS ALL THIS ABOUT? I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, THAT CONVERSATION, UH, WOULD ELIMINATE THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD ELIMINATE ALL THAT. 
          AND IT COULD ALSO BRING A FOURTH OF THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE. 
          IF ANY TRAVEL THAT'S EITHER IN HERE IN TOWN OR OUT OF STATE OR WHEREVER IT MAY BE, OR YOU HAVE TO GET THE INFORMATION, UH, YOU BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, THE NEXT MEETING, AND THEN JUST KEEP EVERYBODY UP TO DATE ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITIZENS. 
          BUT I THINK HAVING A DEFINE DELIVERY DATE AND END DATE IS CRITICAL. 
          SO THAT WAY, UH, EVERYBODY'S WORKING TOGETHER AND HAVING A TIMELINE CAN REALLY GET, UH, A LOT OF WORK DONE AND PUT A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY AND IN HOLD THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE BOARDS WHOEVER'S INVOLVED, HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE, MAKE SURE IT'S ALL DONE CORRECTLY. 
          SO GOOD JOB, MR. ELLIS IS THIS IS THIS CUSTOMER FOR SCALE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WE JUST FOUND OUR MODERATOR FOR THE, UM, FOR THE MEETING AS MUCH AS HE DOES. 
          HE'S GREAT. 
          SO DEX, HIS IDEAS ARE NEVER, NEVER TEND TO BLOW MY MIND BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE HE'S SO ATTENTIVE. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T ALWAYS SEE EYE TO EYE, I HAVE TO APPRECIATE HIS INPUT ON EVERYTHING BECAUSE HE IS INVOLVED. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I THINK ALL SIX OF THESE ARE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A GROUP. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          UM, OR IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET INPUT FROM PEOPLE. 
          UM, I, EVERY ONE OF THESE I THINK, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN, IN, UM, THE POLICY, BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE ALL VERY VALID ISSUES. 
          SO, BUT ANYWAYS, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          JUST ONE FINAL NOTE. 
          YEAH. 
          I LOVE THESE ARE GREAT. 
          I THINK THE ONLY THING I LIKE TO SEE ADDED IS WHEN OUR TASKFORCE TRULY CREATED FOR WHAT PROJECTS THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE WE HAD A MILLION TASK FORCE, IT FELT LIKE, AND I FELT LIKE I WAS ON ALL OF THEM. 
          WE DEFINITELY NEED TO FIND THE SCOPE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THE TASK FORCE OR ARE THEY MORE BENEFICIAL FOR US BECAUSE WE COULD GET BACK ON THAT TANGENT WHERE WE'RE CREATING A TASK FORCE FOR, WHO'S GOING TO THROW THE TRASH, WHO'S GOING TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WHO'S GOING TO PICK UP IN THE BACK AFTER WE LEAVE THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL ON HOW WE, WHY WE A TASK FORCE AND FOR WHAT PROJECTS OR WHAT THE TASKS ARE. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ADD TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I LOVE THESE SIX. 
          THEY'RE GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND I THINK THE REASON THAT WE WERE ABLE TO START UP A PRACTICE OF CREATING TASKFORCES EARLY ON WITHOUT HAVING A DEFINED POLICIES, BECAUSE WE ALL UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO THERE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          WHY, WHY, WHY ARE THESE IN PARTICULAR, THOSE FIRST THREE OR FOUR THAT WE CREATED, WHY ARE THESE BEING CREATED? AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE BEST THING IS THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE, THE TASK FORCE WAS NOT THE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE. 
          WEREN'T BEING EMPOWERED TO HAVE THEIR OPINION HEARD MORE, THEY WERE BEING EMPOWERED TO HAVE THE COUNCILS WILL BE REPRESENTED BETTER. 
          AND TO HAVE THE COUNCILS WILL, YOU KNOW, A TV MORE SO THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A, UM, UH, I, I NOW GOING TO GET MORE OF WHAT I WANT. 
          IT'S MORE OF A, I HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE DUTY TO BRING, TO BRING WHAT THE COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR TO BEAR. 
          AND SO I THINK SO LONG AS WE STAY IN THAT VEIN, 
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UH, THESE, THESE TASKFORCES, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID, AND I SAID IN MY STATE OF THE CITY, I THINK THAT THEY ARE THE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT. 
          IT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO, AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT I REALLY, REALLY CARE ABOUT THAT I'M NOT ON THE TASK FORCE AND FOR THAT'S ABOUT INTEREST IN TRUSTING THOSE THAT ARE THERE TO, TO DO THAT WORK. 
          AND SO, UH, I, I LOVE YOUR, UM, UH, DISSOLVED DATE OR DELIVERABLE AS A SORT OF A BAROMETER IS A TEST. 
          IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MATTERS TO US? WELL, LET'S EITHER DISSOLVES AT A CERTAIN DATE OR WE HAVE A CERTAIN DELIVERABLE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, A GREAT ONE. 
          SO, UM, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK A POLICY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS OUTLINED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MOVE BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ELLISON CENTERED DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. 
          THE DISCUSSION I HAVE IS I, I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PAGE NEEDS TO BE TYPING OUT. 
          THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, LIKE FOR FEEDBACK, BUT IS THERE SOMEONE AT, AT A STAFF LEVEL WHO COULD HELP WITH, UH, WITH A DRAFT OF THAT? SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVING PAGE REVIEW CAUSE IT'S POLICY, BUT WE DON'T WANT HER TO SIT THERE AND WRITE THEM UP. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. 
          NEXT STEP 
          [17.  Create an ad-hoc committee (with a specific dissolve date) for the purposes of reviewing, looking for best practices or examples and putting together recommendations to bring back to council for consideration of further input and possible adoption of an updated Policy on Soliciting Memberships for Boards & Commissions. ~ Dex Ellison, Council Member]
NUMBER AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 17, CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH SPECIFIC DISSOLVE DATE FOR THE PURPOSES OF REVIEWING, LOOKING FOR BEST PRACTICES OR EXAMPLES AND PUTTING TOGETHER RECOMMENDATIONS TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT FURTHER INPUT AND POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED POLICY ON SOLICITING MEMBERS FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, COUNCIL MORALES. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL, LAST ONE. 
          UH, SO IT'S BEEN NO SECRET THAT I'M NOT A FAN OF OUR CURRENT, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS POLICY. 
          AND SO I WANTED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC INDUSTRY. 
          THIS PROBABLY THIS MOST SPECIFIC I'VE BEEN AT AGENDA ITEM I'VE REQUESTED, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO HASH OUT A POLICY RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PROBABLY DO THAT AT THIS HOUR, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT BUILDING POLICIES THAT WE'VE SEEN TAKEN A LOT OF EFFORT. 
          UH, SO MY REQUEST HERE AND I, I, THE POLICY WAS PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ONLY TWO PAGES LONG PAGE AND A HALF, REALLY. 
          UH, SO MY REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL IS FOR US TO CREATE A AD HOC COMMITTEE TO SINCERELY LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH TASK FORCE WORK WITH STAFF TO CREATE A POLICY. 
          AND I'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF THAT HAS HAD EXPERIENCE PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, WHERE THEY'VE WORKED ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CREATED EQUITABLE AND FAIR WAYS OF APPOINTING OUR CITIZENS TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, REVIEWING FOR BEST PRACTICES AND EXAMPLES OF PUTTING TOGETHER A RECOMMENDATION TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          I WANT TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO THAT. 
          THIS IS TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL TO THEN DEBATE SCRUTINIZE, PICK APART, GIVE THEIR INPUT, AND IT MAY BE SEND IT BACK, GET COMMITTEE, MAYBE FIGURE IT ALL OUT AS A COUNCIL, MAYBE HOPEFULLY END UP ADOPTING A NEW POLICY. 
          MAYBE AT THE END OF THAT, DECIDING MAYBE WE WON'T ADOPT THE POLITICS. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE A SINCERE EFFORT BY THIS COUNCIL TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A VERY FAIR WAY THAT WE CAN GET PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY ENGAGED AND INTERESTED IN APPLYING FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AGAIN, BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FAIR. 
          LIKE THEY HAVE A FAIR OPPORTUNITY AND SHAKE TO POTENTIALLY GET ON THAT, GET ON ANY SAID BORDER COMMISSION AND YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WEATHER. 
          I KNOW I'VE HEARD MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I'M GONNA CALL Y'ALL OUT BY NAME, BUT I'VE HEARD MY COLLEAGUES TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS FROM AREAS OF THE CITY, APPOINTING, POINTING BY THAT TOO. 
          I'VE HEARD IDEAS OF MAKING ONE BIG DRAFT NIGHT, UH, WHERE WE PEOPLE APPLY. 
          AND THEN, UH, THEY GET DRAFTED TO VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BASED ON THEIR LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE OR EXPERTISE. 
          SO THEY DON'T PARTICULARLY APPLY FOR ONE PARTICULAR BOARD, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, THEY MIGHT APPLY FOR SOMETHING AND MAYBE THEY'RE A BETTER FIT WITH LIBRARY BOARD OR, YOU KNOW, PARKS BOARD OR WHATEVER ELSE IT MAY BE, BUT I'VE HEARD A BUNCH OF IDEAS, BUT MY GOAL WAS NOT TO HASH OUT ALL THAT TONIGHT. 
          MY GOAL WAS TO HOPEFULLY GET THE COUNCIL'S BLESSING TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO OVER THIS NEXT MONTH, MAYBE IN SETTING A DEADLINE ONCE AGAIN, TO BRING BACK A POLICY FOR THE COUNCIL TO SCRUTINIZE AND POTENTIALLY LOOK AT, MAYBE MAKE AN ADOPTION OF ANOTHER POLICY, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CUSTOMER TOBY'S. 
          OH, YES. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISSECT THIS CURRENT POLICY, BUT IF WE DO GET VOTE FOR A COMMITTEE I'D LIKE FOR AT LEAST CITY STAFF TO REALLY LOOK AT NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR, UM, WHEN IT SAYS STAFF WILL EVALUATE APPLICATIONS AND STAFF MAY DETERMINE, LET'S MAKE SURE WE DEFINE WHO STAFF IS, WHO THAT PERSON IS OR DEPARTMENT OR SECTION AND WHO IS THE STAFF PERSONNEL, WHICH WOULD MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF THE SIZE AND QUALIFICATION. 
          UM, NUMBER FOUR, 
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AGAIN, LET'S MAKE SURE IF WE DO GET THE AD COPY, IF WE DO DISSECT THIS AND REWRITE THIS, WHEN WE HAVE IN A SECTION NUMBER FOUR, WHERE IT SAYS CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE AND THE MAYOR OR ELECTED CITY COUNCIL, UH, LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S IN THERE OF WHO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD BE AND WHO WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHOOSE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO SIT IN THAT INTERVIEW. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION UNDER THE REAPPOINTMENTS IF THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE GOES THROUGH AND CITY STAFF STARTS DEVELOPING THAT MAYBE A SUGGESTION IS THIS UNDER NUMBER ONE, THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OR COMMISSIONS MAY RECOMMEND A MEMBER WITH THE EXPIRING TERM FOR REAPPOINTMENT SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION BIAS COUNCIL. 
          THE SUGGESTION I HAVE IS IF THE CHAIR BOARD RECOMMENDS A REAPPOINTMENT, A WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION LETTER NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE ON WHY A REAPPOINTMENT SHOULD BE GRANTED. 
          THIS ACTION SHOULD BE REQUIRED THE SAME UNDER THE MAYOR REAPPOINTMENT. 
          IF IT GOES THROUGH THE REAPPOINTMENT RECOMMENDATION LATER CAN BE USED AS DOCUMENTED AS PACKING MATERIAL FOR COUNCIL AND CITIZENS TO REVIEW ON FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS THE DISSECTING OF THIS, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTIONS. 
          I THINK YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO BE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. 
          SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REAL QUICK MAYOR. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I LOVE THAT COUNCIL ORIENTAL, VENUS ABOUT A WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION, A LETTER. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          SO THAT WAY WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT, UH, THAT WAY, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF WHY SOMEBODY WAS, UH, REAPPOINTED, WE'LL HAVE THE REASON WHY. 
          AND, UH, THE, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO JUST NOTE REAL QUICK IS THAT, UM, WHO WOULD BE ON THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE? WHO ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WHAT, OKAY. 
          WE WOULD APPOINT UP TO THREE PEOPLE TO GO AND WORK ON THAT POLICY ONCE AGAIN, WITH THE MINDSET END THAT THEY'RE BRINGING THAT POLICY BACK FOR COUNCIL TO SCRUTINIZE AND REVIEW AND MAKE, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF EDITS AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE KNOW THESE THINGS TAKE A LOT OF WORK. 
          AND SO JUST HAVING A SMALLER GROUP OF US KIND OF FIGURE OUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS WITH STAFF'S HELP AND FIGURE OUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS TO THEN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL TO THEN HAVE THE FULL BODY, GET THEIR SCRUTINY ON IT AS WELL. 
          SCOTT, WHAT IS OUR, WHAT IS OUR RULES ABOUT COMMITTEES? I THOUGHT WE COULD NOT FORM COMMITTEES OR AM I MISTAKEN WITH THAT RULE ACTUALLY FORMING COMMITTEES? YEAH. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD A RULE IN THE AREA. 
          WE HAVE A BOARD AND COMMISSION ORDINANCE THAT, UH, ALLOWS FOR AD HOC COMMITTEES TO BE FORMED VERY SIMILAR TO THE RULES THAT WERE JUST OUTLINED BY COUNCILMEMBER. 
          SO WE CAN DO COMMITTEE, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY LEGAL QUESTION I HAD AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT IS LEGAL. 
          I'M FINE WITH IT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A REASON, ONE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT COMMITTEES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE FORCE THEM BECAUSE IT WASN'T AS LONG AS IT'S TEMPORARY IN NATURE AND FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED FOR THE COURT. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THIS ONE I HAVE TO MAKE SURE. 
          AND I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, TO GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GET NOT AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, APPOINTED. 
          OKAY. 
          HOPEFULLY MY QUESTION IS, WAS THAT CORRECT? IS THIS, IS THAT A COMMITTEE YOU'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE WITH IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS? SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE? OKAY. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WELL I SEE THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M ASSUMING COUNSELOR ELLISON ONCE. 
          NO, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF IT BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME IDEAS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US ANYWAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M EXCITED TO DANIEL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY IS DOTTIE THROWING HERSELF OUT THERE. 
          WE'RE VERY FORMAL ON THE DIET. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT WAS AN EXCITEMENT. 
          I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT, BUT, UH, I KNOW IT COMES TO ME WITH THE BS HAS A LOT OF IDEAS. 
          I KNOW WE ALL HAVE IDEAS. 
          AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S CHALLENGING SOMETIMES. 
          AND I KNEW I WANTED TO BE IN THE MIX OF EVERYTHING Y'ALL KNOW ME, BUT, UH, BUT NO, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. 
          I THINK THOSE THREE CAN DO A GREAT JOB AND MAKE A GREAT RECOMMENDATION OF SOMETHING THAT IS. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO, I'LL JUST SAY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST THIS POLICY REFORMED COME UP WITH A COMPLETELY NEW POLICY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'LL JUST SAY. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, SORRY TO, UH, APPROVE OR TO, UM, TO APPROVE CREATION OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH A DISSOLVE DATE OF JANUARY IN THE JANUARY, UH, UH, WITH THE DISSOLVED DATA FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY TO HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK, UH, FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY TO A POINT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS FLORES, KALE PARSLEY, AND TOBY IS TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          SECOND PART MOVED BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER 
          [01:40:01]
RIZZO. 
          IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION CA CUSTOMER FOR SCALE? I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU. 
          AND I KNOW FOR A FACT, SO BE AS HIS GREAT IDEAS AND HE DRIVES ME ABSOLUTELY NUTS WHEN HE SHARES THEM WITH ME AFTERWARDS AND I GO, TOBY IS, YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID, DAYA. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO HIM BECAUSE HE IS FULL OF GOOD IDEAS. 
          AND SO I FEEL TOTALLY HONORED TO, TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE WITH HIM. 
          SO I'M EXCITED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. 
          NOTHING LEFT IN EXEC MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          OH, HANG ON. 
          YES, WE DO HAVE ONE. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE. 
          HEY, I NEED TO TAKE BACK MY SECOND. 
          YEAH, THAT IS FINE. 
          UH, THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, UH, EIGHT LET'S BRING BACK 12, 8, 12, 12 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, APPROVES APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE CREATION OF AN EMPLOYEE, BENEFITS TRUST, ET CETERA. 
          UH, VERONICA. 
          SO, UM, I CALLED MY LIFELINES. 
          WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT, UH, WE COULD NOT FIND ANY STATE LAW THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED. 
          HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO BRING UP TO YOU ALL THAT THERE IS LIABILITY BECAUSE YOU ARE ACTING AS INDIVIDUALS. 
          SO THE FA AND SPECIFICALLY FIDUCIARY DUTY, HOWEVER, A QUESTION WAS PREVIOUSLY ASKED ON, UH, WHO'S CREATING THE TRUST. 
          IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION. 
          IT'S AN EXHIBIT A THAT'S THE ACTUAL TRUST DOCUMENT THAT COUNCILWOMAN KALE WAS REFERRING TO. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE FIVE OF THAT DOCUMENT, UM, LIABILITY OF TRUSTEES AND OFFICERS, IT INDICATES THAT Y'ALL ARE BEING PROTECTED IN TERMS OF INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY IN THAT PARAGRAPH. 
          SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          YES. 
          CAN I HAVE YOU CONFIRM AS WELL THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO BE A TRUSTEE AND, UM, AND HAVE FINANCES. 
          AND THEN WE APPROVE PAYMENTS TO THE INTEGRATED BENEFIT. 
          THE GROUP THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDES ME AS A TRUSTEE. 
          UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MONEY PAID OUT AS A TRUSTEE. 
          THERE'S MONEY GOING TO BE PAID OUT. 
          AND I'M PART OF THAT. 
          IS THERE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE AND THEY'RE PAID OUT OF, FOR Y'ALL FOR YOUR YES. 
          SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE THE TRUSTEES. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN ALSO BUY INTO THIS TOO, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR INSURANCE AND IT'S A BENEFIT FOR, BUT IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE TRUSTEES AND BENEFICIARIES. 
          IS THERE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THAT? SO AGAIN, YOU WOULD BE ACTING BASED ON INFORMATION THAT IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU, AND IT IS FOR BENEFITS FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING YOURSELVES AS A CITY COUNCIL, BUT THIS IS YOU'RE ACTING AS THE TRUSTEE. 
          AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF, UM, LIABILITIES OR CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THIS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE TRUST ALREADY THAT THIS TRUST DOCUMENT. 
          SO I, SO IS THAT A NO? OR IS THAT A YES. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST NEED, AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT SEEING CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT FOR YEAH. 
          MICHAEL, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS FOR HER. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE UNION THERE, YOUR POLICE UNION, AND WHEN Y'ALL ARE MAKING YOUR DECISIONS LIKE THIS Y'ALL ARE ALSO ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BENEFITS AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK IT'D BE OKAY IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          YOU BELIEVE SO? PROBABLY SO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND COUNCIL COUNCIL, UM, WE DO HAVE THE CONSULTANT THAT CAN ALSO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          REGARDING CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME OR I'M SORRY. 
          WE WERE WONDERING IF YOU HAD ANY INPUT ON THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          THE QUESTION IS, IS IT A CONFLICT FOR A TRUSTEE TO BE A BENEFICIARY? YOU'RE MUTED. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE I W I SEEM TO BE BACKED BY THIS. 
          IS THAT BETTER? CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY. 
          I JUST HAVE AN ECHO. 
          UM, UM, JUST REAL SUCCINCTLY, DEEPLY, YOU GUYS HAVE NEVER HAD TO PAY PREMIUM TAX BECAUSE YOU WERE WITH TML HEALTH AND THEY WERE NOT AN INSURANCE COMPANY. 
          THEY ARE FORMED UNDER CHAPTER 1 75 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. 
          SO NOW AS YOU MOVE TO PARTNER WITH UNITED HEALTHCARE CARE, DO YOU HAVE TWO DEVICES, CHARACTER RIGHT NOW? 
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YEAH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE UNFAIR GUYS IN THE BACK TO MEET. 
          I THINK I'M COMING IN BOTH THROUGH MY PHONE AND MY COMPUTER. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE BOTH OF THEM ONLINE. 
          SO YOU'RE DEFINITELY GOING THROUGH BOTH. 
          COULD I DO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN OFF YOUR PHONE. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A MUTE. 
          CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME NOW? YES. 
          A LOT BETTER. 
          GO AHEAD, BRO. 
          CAN'T HEAR US. 
          CAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? SORRY. 
          I'LL CALL BACK IN. 
          NO, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          HE CAN HEAR US. 
          NO, I'M GOING TO CALL, OH, YOU CAN HEAR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, FANTASTIC. 
          UM, SO NOW THAT YOU'RE WITH UNITED HEALTH CARE, UH, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE INSURANCE COMPANY, WHETHER IT'S AETNA UNITED HUMANA OR BLUE CROSS, UH, THEY, THEY ARE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE AND AS SUCH, UH, YOUR, YOUR PREMIUMS THAT ARE BEING CHARGED INCLUDE A PREMIUM TAX. 
          AND SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE LANDSCAPE OF THE INSURANCE WORLD IS. 
          HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU ARE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY THAT PREMIUM TAX. 
          AND THE WAY THAT YOU, UH, ARE ABLE TO, UH, ESTABLISH, UH, THAT EXEMPTION IS, UH, THROUGH CHAPTER TWO TO 2.02 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHERE YOU SET UP THIS BENEFIT TRUST. 
          AND SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE ROLE OF A TRUSTEE AND SO FORTH, BUT OPERATIONALLY, UH, THE WAY THIS WORKS FOR THE OTHER HUNDRED CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH, ONCE WE HAVE THAT TRUST DOCUMENT, WE ARE GOING TO SUBMIT THAT TO UNITED HEALTH CARE AND IN DOING SO, THEY WILL PRESENT THEIR BILL NET OF PREMIUMS. UM, AND THAT REALLY IS THE EXTENT OF THE TRUSTEE'S INVOLVEMENT. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU GUYS SO CHOOSE TO BE ENGAGED, UH, AT A, AT A HIGHER LEVEL. 
          UH, BUT FUNCTIONALLY, UH, THE BENEFIT TRUST IS, IS JUST THE INSTRUMENT THAT IS NEEDED TO AVOID PAYING THE PREMIUM TAXES. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN TEXT HIM IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR ME. 
          SO THE ANSWER. 
          SO AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT HE, THE INFORMATION THAT HE'S GIVEN, AND THERE REALLY IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL IT'S AS A WHOLE, WE ARE UNDERSTOOD, BUT THAT'S, SO IT'S VERY, HE'S BEING VERY SUCCINCT IN THE DUTIES THAT YOU ALL WILL PERFORM. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THERE IS NO CONFLICT. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE IN A CITY AND WE WERE JUST, IT WAS JUST ME AND SOMEBODY ELSE SAY BIGGER PICTURE, WOULD IT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ME TO BE A TRUSTEE? AND WE SEE AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SO, RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S NOW GOING INTO ETHICS FOR CORPORATIONS, AND THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          LET ME USE A VERY SIMPLE EXAMPLE THAT MIGHT HELP IN THIS SITUATION, US COUNCIL, YOU ADOPT THE CITY BUDGET IN THE CITY, BUDGET IS INCLUDED YOUR COMPENSATION, RIGHT? OR YOU VOTE ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX RATE. 
          ARE YOU PROUD OWNERS? RIGHT? SO I CAN GO DOWN THIS LIST, BUT THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY. 
          I CAN EXPLAIN THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT BECAUSE YOU DID ADOPT A BUDGET WHERE YOU ALSO APPROVE THE PAYROLL PROCESS THAT THE CITY HAS, THAT WE WRITE THE CHECKS AND WE PROCESSED TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS. 
          SO VERY SIMILARLY, THIS TRUST YOU ARE TRUSTEE IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          AND THEN YOU ARE ALSO A BENEFICIARY. 
          IF YOU SO CHOOSE YOU ARE IN THE RING CENTRAL MEETING. 
          NOW THERE ARE, SO IT IS, IT IS MY OPINION, NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY MANAGER. 
          THIS WOULD NOT, THIS WOULD NOT CAUSE A CONFLICT. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN LIKE EXCLUDE OURSELVES FROM BEING TRUSTEES, BECAUSE REALLY WHAT THIS IS, IT'S A FINANCIAL BENEFIT FOR THE PERSON INVOLVED. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE INSURANCE? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE I DON'T, I WOULDN'T WANT TO 
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KNOW NOT IF I HAVE TO BE A TRUSTEE. 
          WELL, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AS DON'T CONTINUOUS. 
          I KIND OF LIKE MORE LIKE INSURANCE, CAUSE IT'S NOT JUST HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          IT'S ALSO LIFE INSURANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU'RE VOTING ON SAME WAY TO THE BUDGET. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE VOTING FOR THE BUDGET, IF YOU VOTED YES FOR THE BUDGET, THEN YOU VOTED ON EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. 
          WITH THIS, IT'S ALMOST SAME THING. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'VE AS A COUNCIL HAVE LOOKED AT AND GOT WITH OUR HR DEPARTMENT AND BROUGHT THE BEST SOLUTION FORWARD FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO GO ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN, IF IT WAS JUST FOR THE EMPLOYEES, IF WE WANT TO EXCLUDE OURSELVES THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WELL FROM THE, THE L NO, YOU DON'T GET MONEY FROM THE INSURANCE. 
          YOU GET MONEY, NOT FROM THE I'M TALKING ABOUT LIFE INSURANCE. 
          I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          SO THE MINUTE YOU OFFER LIFE, INSURANCE IS A DIFFERENT BALL GAME THAN WHEN YOU JUST OFFER HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE WITH IT, EXCLUDE, DON'T GET THE LIFE INSURANCE. 
          DON'T EXCLUDE YOURSELF FROM THAT. 
          WHY CAN'T, WHY CAN'T I EXCLUDE MYSELF FROM BEING A TRUSTEE? THAT'S IT FOR ME? I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. 
          WELL, THE, THE TRUSTEE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE OVERSEEING THAT THAT'S WHERE THE EMPLOYEES NEED AS A MOST. 
          AND, UH, IF, IF YOU THINK IT'S COMPLEMENTARY INTEREST TO EXCLUDE YOURSELF FROM THE INSURANCE AND THAT WAY YOU ELIMINATE THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND STILL LOOK OUT FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A, MAKE A DECISION. 
          THE QUESTION VERONICA IS IF SOMEONE VOTES AGAINST THIS, THERE, THIS IT'S LISTED FOR SIGNATURES. 
          IF THE VOTE PASSES ARE ALL MEMBERS REQUIRED TO SIGN IF THEY VOTE AGAINST. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, I DON'T THINK YOUR CONSULTANT IS IN, BUT OH, HE'S ON THE PHONE, BUT I WOULD ASSUME AGAIN, HE'S HE MENTIONED, UM, STATE STATUTE REGARDING INSURANCE, OR I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EXCLUDE YOURSELF FROM BEING A TRUSTEE. 
          IF THE MOTION PASSES BRETT'S AVAILABLE. 
          UM, BRETT, DO YOU, DO YOU CONCUR? IF YOU CAN HEAR ME OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE VOTE. 
          HOWEVER YOU WANT. 
          YOU CHOOSE NOT TO SIGN DON'T AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ADVISE YOU. 
          WE HAVE TILL THE END OF THE MONTH, I THINK AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE REQUIRED, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT LATER. 
          SO A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MOVED BY THE MAYOR. 
          SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ELLISON. 
          IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES SIX TO ONE. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          Y'ALL NEED TO SIGN THIS.
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