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I LET YOU CALL US REALLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO ORDER.
MAYBE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
THANK YOU FOR MEMBERS PRESENT.
WE HAVE A QUORUM NEXT ITEM, NUMBER
[A. Nomination(s) and Election(s) of Chair and Vice-Chair.]
THREE, NOMINATIONS AND ELECTIONS OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.UM, WE DO WE START WITH, WE START WITH CHAIR, CORRECT? OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE ON THE SPORT AND WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE ON THIS BOARD.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCE IN RUNNING THE MEETING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT PROCESS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS I'D LIKE TO BE MADE BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY.
UM, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION FOR THE SAME REASON PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE VERSUS PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE, WHICH I'M CONSIDERING.
MATE, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MEGAN AS VICE CHAIR.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO NOMINATE, UH, TO, UH, NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCCALL AS VICE CHAIR.
[4. Minutes]
REMEMBER FOUR MINUTES FOR A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 14TH, 2021.LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCCALL OR VICE CHAIR MCCALL.
UM, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[5. Citizen Comments]
I DON'T REMEMBER FIVE CITIZEN COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.ANY CITIZEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? UH, YOU MAY, WE HAVE, UH, WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU ADDRESS, UM, THE COMMISSION.
IF WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS TODAY THAT DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THOSE ITEMS AS WELL, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, NOW, YOU MAY PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
YES, MA'AM GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I AM THE NEW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY.
I AM OVER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, I GREW UP IN NEBRASKA, WENT TO SCHOOL IN NEBRASKA, MARRIED A TEXAN.
UM, SO HAPPY TO BE HERE IN KYLE.
UM, LOTS OF GREAT THINGS GOING ON HERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL.
UM, MY NAME IS DEX ELLISON, UH, CALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBER PLACE ONE AT LARGE.
UH, I COME TO YOU THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, CONGRATULATIONS, UH, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
MY CALL, UH, ON YOUR NOMINATION ZONE APPOINTMENT.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN ON HERE SINCE THEN, SINCE I LEFT AT BNZ COMMISSION.
SO, UH, UH, GREAT TO BE A RESPECTED FOR YOUR TENURE AND EXPERIENCE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS THIS EVENING, UH, ABOUT, UM, JUST THE POSITION YOU ALL ARE IN AND UH, AS WELL AS SOME COMMENTS THAT I HAVE FOR YOU ALL, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I CAN'T THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH FOR THE SERVICE THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE.
UH, I'VE COME BEFORE YOUR BODY BEFORE, UH, YOUR BODY IS ONE THAT IS ON A TV THAT I CAN WATCH AND DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS, BUT I DO WATCH MANY, IF NOT, ALL OF YOUR MEETINGS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION, UH, ON THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE CONCERNING OF OUR CITY BEFORE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, IT HELPS A GREAT DEAL TO
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UNDERSTAND THAT DIALOGUE FROM OUR RESIDENTS BEFORE IT EVEN COMES TO US.UM, AND AS, AS BEING A FELLOW, UH, PASS P AND Z COMMISSIONER, I'M FULLY AWARE TOO, OF THE STRAIN THAT IT PUTS ON YOU ALL WHEN YOUR BODY IS NOT AT FULL STAFF.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO COME AND ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO CONTINUE PUSHING FORWARD.
THE COUNCIL IS CERTAINLY APPRECIATES.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY, THE ONLY TIME I'LL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL.
I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, APPRECIATES WHAT YOU ALL DO, AND WE NEED OUR VOLUNTEER RESIDENTS ON OUR VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, TO BE AVAILABLE AND, AND DO THE WORK THAT WE HAVE BEFORE THEM.
AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN EXCEPTIONAL IN THAT.
AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, I JUST, I KNOW THE TIMES ARE TOUGH WITH, UH, THE, THE BOARD BEING SO SMALL, BUT I, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO STAY THE COURSE.
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AS, UH, I WILL BE BRINGING AN AGENDA ITEM AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
IF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER ON OUR MAY 4TH MEETING, IF NOT, IT'S ALL RECORDED ON VIDEO, OUR MAY 4TH MEETING AGENDA, ITEM 31, I BROUGHT FORWARD AN AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE COUNSEL, UH, HAVE JOINT MEETINGS WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND, UH, I'M BRINGING THAT BACK FORWARD TO SOLIDIFY THAT TIME THAT WE, WE DISCUSS, UH, WHAT AM I I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE? ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MEETINGS I HAD AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER WAS WHEN I HAD THAT JOINT MEETING WITH COUNCIL AND GOT A FULL BREADTH OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT MY ROLE IS, WHAT MY EXPECTATIONS WERE, THE VISION OF THOSE THAT WERE ELECTED AND APPOINTED ME AND MY COLLEAGUES TO THAT POSITION.
AND SO I REALLY LOOKED FORWARD TO THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH YOU ALL.
AND I HOPE WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, I, UH, SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MYSELF STATING THAT, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH A NEW POLICY.
I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT.
UH, THE COUNCIL HAS MADE A DECISION.
I KNOW THAT CAN BE, UH, PUT A STRAIN AND PROBABLY A LITTLE CONCERN IN YOUR MINDS, BUT YOU ALL HAVE MY FIRM'S COMMITMENT TO WORK AS HARD AS WE CAN ON GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
I'VE SAID MANY TIMES HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE PREVIOUS POLICY.
SO I WON'T ELABORATE ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE APPRECIATED AND WE WANTED TO WORK WITH YOU.
I'M EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU, AND I APPRECIATE THE JOB THAT YOU ALL DO EACH AND EVERY WEEK.
DID YOU ALL COME HERE AND IN THE TIME IN BETWEEN, SO JUST HANG TIGHT WITH US.
WE ARE WORKING FORWARD TO IT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL THIS YEAR AND HAVING A REALLY GREAT YEAR WITH YOU ALL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS? OKAY.
I WILL CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SO THIS COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED.
[6. Consent]
NEXT ITEM SIX, A CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA FOR A AND B MR. CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER CHASE, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, CONSENT AS PRESENTED.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. SHAY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[A.
Consider a request by Sean Ratterree, of CTC Residential LLC (Z-21-0091) to rezone approximately 15.542 acres of land to ‘PUD MXD’ for property located at 5839 Kyle Parkway, in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
UM, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS OF AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD, UH, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME UP NOW.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT.
UH, MR. ATKINSON, DO YOU CARE IF I JUST SIT HERE AND PRESENT OR ALRIGHT, THAT'S COOL.
BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE A, UM, I CAN'T TALK TONIGHT.
IT IS A PUD, UH, WITH A VERTICAL MIXED USE AND A COMBINATION OF THAT IN, IN MULTIFAMILY BEHIND IT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD AND IS WANTING TO DEVELOP THE SITE BETWEEN, UH, SETON HOSPITAL AND, UH, LOWE'S, UH, RUN ALONG SETON PARKWAY.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY A 15 AND A HALF ACRES AND RIGHT NOW IS CONSIDERED OR ITS OWN RETAIL SERVICES, UM, ALL THE WAY AROUND IT FOR IN EVERY DIRECTION WITH EXCEPTION OF THE SOUTHEAST WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS, UH, IT'S ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ZONED RETAIL SERVICES.
UM, THE HOSPITALS ZONE HOSPITAL SERVICES, UM,
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WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HOSPITAL AND ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY VACANT RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR THIS SECTION OF THE INTERSECTION AT 1626 TO 9 35, UM, THEY'RE MOSTLY SMALLER PESTICIDES SURROUNDING IT.AND JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE, UH, RETAIL SERVICES IS A ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS GENERAL HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL.
UM, MOST OF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT FROM OUR ZONING PERSPECTIVE, UM, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, YOU NAME IT, NOTHING, NOTHING INDUSTRIAL, UH, BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE IT TO VERTICAL MIXED USE.
UH, THEY WANT TO PUT, UM, TWO VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS RIGHT UP AGAINST SETON PARKWAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF IT.
UM, APPROXIMATELY THREE OR FOUR STORIES WITH GROUND FOR COMMERCIAL IN IT.
UM, PULLING IT UP TO THE STREET SCAPE IN TO ACTIVATE IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, A LARGE AREA OUT IN FRONT TO PEDESTRIAN ASPECTS AND THE VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WE'RE WORKING TO IMPLEMENT.
UM, AND THEN BEHIND IT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR, UM, 100%, UM, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, UM, THIS, UM, THE WAY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, GENERALLY AS A, AS A WITH DIRECTION, WHEN IT COMES TO VERTICAL MIXED USE IS TO ALLOW, UM, PERIMETER VERTICAL MIXED USE AND THEN ALLOW INTERIOR TO THE SITE.
UM, 100% MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS.
UM, IT HELPS US ACCOMPLISH A GOAL FROM VERTICAL MIXED USE GENERALLY, BUT ALSO, UM, KIND OF MASSAGES OUT THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THEIR MXD ZONING DISTRICT THAT MAKES IT MORE PALATABLE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME TO DEVELOPERS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MEET A COMMON GOAL HERE IN THAT KIND OF STUFF, UM, WHICH IS WHY THEY ASKED FOR A PUD, UM, WITH PUDS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, UM, CREATE A MORE FLEXIBLE ENVIRONMENT, SOMETHING THAT BETTER SUITS THE MARKET, UM, TO HELP, UM, PROMOTE THE CITY AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE GO FOR IT.
WE TRY TO MAKE A BETTER PRODUCT, ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERY TIME WE MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WE SAY, HEY, LET'S DO MIXED USE.
AND THEN THEY TAKE A LOOK AT OUR, OUR CODE AND THERE'S ASPECTS OF IT THAT JUST DO NOT FUNCTION VERY WELL, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
SO, SO FROM A COMPREHENSIVE STAND STANDPOINT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, EVERYTHING ON THE SCREEN THERE IN RED IS A SUPER REGIONAL NODE.
IT'S THE HIGHEST INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF LAND USE INSIDE THE CITY OF KYLE AND THE SITES ENTIRELY WITHIN IT.
UH, YOU HAVE A NEW TOWN COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL NODE TO THE NORTH, ACROSS THE CREEK.
THERE, MSD IS RECOMMENDED IN THIS, IN THE SUPER REGIONAL NODE AND ITS INTENT IS TO CREATE DENSITY AND CREATE WALKABILITY AND, UM, JUST DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT MATCH THAT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS A HUNDRED PERCENT ON BOARD FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING.
I ALREADY MENTIONED THE TWO VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
UH, THERE'LL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE PROJECT.
UM, THE NORTHERN VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDING IS INTENDED TO HOUSE A MICROBREWERY, UM, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT INTENSE AND AN OUTSIDE DINING ENTERTAINMENT AREA, UM, TO HELP CREATE A VIBE SPOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRAIL ITSELF.
UM, EMMA STAFF REPORT, I HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1900 LINEAR FEET OF THE VIBE TRAIL.
UM, IT MAY NOT BE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS AND RELATED PERMITS, IT'LL IF IT FUNCTIONS THE WAY THEY'RE SHOWING IN THEIR CONCEPT PLANS IN THE BACK OF MATERIAL, THAT'S, WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, PUTTING IN SOME PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY AND THE WESTERN EDGE OF SETON PARKWAY WITH ASSOCIATED URBAN STREETSCAPE, UM, THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF EXEMPTIONS IN OUR MXD CODE THAT, UM, BETTER HELPS BRING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION THAT WE HAVE IN THE PUD.
AGAIN, THE, FOR NONVERBAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS, UM, THE CHANGES TO THE PARKING RATIO CALCULATIONS TO BETTER MAKE IT EASIER TO MASSAGE A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEDICATING RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE FUTURE SEAT AND PARKWAY EXPANSION ACROSS THE CREEK TO THE NORTH.
UM, THAT'S ON OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
SO WE ASK THAT YOU ALL APPROVE IT OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I'M ALSO GONNA PULL UP, UM, THE PUD ZONING ORDINANCE HERE REAL QUICK.
I JUST HANDED IT, THERE WE GO.
JUST SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING IT ON TV, THEY CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER SNIDE OUT TODAY AND SHE MADE A VERY GOOD POINT AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AWARE OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD.
UH, SHE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF KYLE PARKWAY AND SETON PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS LITERALLY ONLY A FOUR WAY STOP, BUT IT'S A INTERSECTION OF A TWO LANE AND A SIX LANE ROAD.
UM, AND, UM, WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING ONLINE, THEY PER OUR CODE.
THEY HAVE TO PAY OUR ADJACENT LANE MILE FEE OR MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN LIEU OF, UM,
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SO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN SHOWS A TRAFFIC CIRCLE THERE.SO, UM, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXPECTED COSTS YET OF A TRAFFIC CIRCLE HAS TO BE ENGINEERED WITH COST ESTIMATES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WILL BE HAVING FURTHER DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO INTERSECTIONS IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
UM, LET'S SEE HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING GOLF CART PARKING, UM, CERTAINLY ON THE, THE VIBE SPOT ITSELF, BUT THEY CAN ALSO ADD IT IN TO AS WELL.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE FURTHER ON DOWN THE LIST IN OUR, IN OUR PACKET TODAY THAT, UH, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE VIBE STUFF, UM, LET'S SEE HERE, 12 FOOT WIDE TRAIL, SOME LIMITS ON THE, UH, GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, WHAT THEY CANNOT HAVE SOME CHANGES TO THE SETBACK LINES AND WHAT HAVE YOU IN THE REFERENCES SECTIONS ON THE AMNESTY CODE TO MAKE IT AGAIN MORE PALATABLE.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN AS IT'S SCROLLING UP, THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE GENERAL CONCEPT PLAN.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXACTLY LIKE THIS, BUT AS LONG AS IT GENERALLY CONFORMS WITH THIS IDEA FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE AND A DESIGN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, THE GRAY LINE ALONG THE SOUTHEAST WEST, AND THEN THE GOING NORTH IS THE VIBE TRAIL AND THEN THE PINK, OR IN MY, EXCUSE ME, ON MY SCREEN, THE ORANGE AND THE BROWN BUILDINGS ARE THE VERTICAL MIXED USE.
AND THIS IS THE SIDEWALK SYSTEM THAT WE EXPECT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT.
UH, THE BLUE BEING INTERNAL SIDEWALKS, UH, THE RED BEING THE VIBE TRAIL, AND THEN THE GREEN RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO BE THE, THE STREET TREES ALONG THE VIBE TRAIL.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO ALONG THE LINES OF OUR CONVERSATION TODAY AND JUST FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I MEAN, THERE'S, THIS IS AN AWESOME PROJECT.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE LOVE, THE RETAIL, WE'RE ALL ABOUT MIXED USE, VERTICAL HOUSING, ALL OF THAT.
AND, UH, JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I THINK, WELL, I'VE WORKED WITH FOOD COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FOOD DESERTS.
I THINK KYLE IS A MICROBREW DESERT.
WE COULD USE A FEW MORE ENTAILS.
SO I THINK THAT'S A PLUS AS WELL.
THE REAL CHALLENGE I HAD WAS THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING AND THAT INTERSECTION THAT FOUR WAY STOP IS A SERIOUS HAZARD RIGHT NOW.
IT IS SIX LANES ACROSS IF YOU COUNT THE TURN LANES AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A FOUR WAY STOP.
SO I COULDN'T SUPPORT THE DENSITY OF ADDING HOUSING ON THAT SITE WITHOUT SOMETHING BEING DONE WITH THAT INTERSECTION.
SO, SO ARE YOU GOING TO COORDINATE THE TIMING OF RESOLVING THE INTERSECTION OR HOW HOW'S THAT GOING TO WORK OUT OR JUST BIG? YES.
UM, UM, INSURANCE? UH, YEAH, NO, IT'S A, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO REQUIRE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY WITH STAFF NEGOTIATING ON EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN DOES STATE THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION FOR A TRAFFIC CIRCLE THERE.
UM, SO WHEN I SAY THIS, IT DEPENDS ON THE ENGINEERING, BUT A SINGLE LANE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE TOO SMALL FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
SO IT'LL PROBABLY NEED TO BE AT LEAST, UH, TWO LANES, UM, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ENGINEERED APPROPRIATELY.
SO, UM, IT IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING FOLLOWING THIS MEETING.
UM, PROBABLY NOT TONIGHT, BUT IN THE NEXT COMING NEXT COMING DAYS.
AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS ALSO ON BOARD WITH THE IDEA OF THE NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON TOO.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL SOLIDIFY IT IN THE PUTTER OR AN ASSOCIATED AND CILIARY DOCUMENT RELATED TO LIKE A, UM, SO SOME OF THE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS ARE, UM, ALSO ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TOO.
SO, UM, AND THEN RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONING OF THIS, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A PUD, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.
SO IF THERE'S ANY LIKE MAJOR CHANGES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK, EVEN IF IT STAYS, UM, MAJOR CHANGES.
UM, WHILE WE DON'T STAY, WHAT MAJOR CHANGES ARE AND WHAT'S A MINOR CHANGE, UM, IT NEEDS A LARGELY FUNCTION IN THE MANNER THAT'S PRESENTED.
UM, THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT LITTLE TWEAKS AND A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT AROUND HERE AND THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM AN MSD PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GOING TO WANT THAT RETAIL AND MULTIFAMILY UP AGAINST AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO, TO SEAT PARKWAY.
YOU WANT IT TO FUNCTION IN AN URBAN MANNER.
UM, THE CITY OF KYLE, ESSENTIALLY FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES HAS DONE
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WITH, UH, WITH GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS.SO ANY, UH, MULTI-FAMILY MOVING FORWARD IS GOING TO HAVE A MORE URBAN FEEL TO IT.
UM, WE WANT IT TO BE WALKABLE.
WE WANT IT TO BE RELATIVELY COMPACT, MORE, THE MORE CONTACT, THE BETTER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MARKET AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WE, OF COURSE WE WANT THEM TO HAVE, UH, A MULTI-STORY PARKING STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO THAT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO THE POINT WHERE IT MAY NOT MAKE THE PROJECT VIABLE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION INTERNALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO PARKING IN THIS CASE IS GOING TO BE STREET.
IT'S GOING TO BE SURFACE PARKING AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK EFFECTIVELY SO WE CAN GET THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT.
AND ALSO, YEAH, SO I START RAMBLING, BUT YEAH, NO, NO, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, UH, MOVE TOWARDS THIS SORT OF DEVELOPMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UM, SO UNDER THE PUD 2D, YOU HAVE THAT THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M ASSUMING THIS IS JUST A FORM AND NOT WHAT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED WITH THEM.
SO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE STARTED HAVING RELATED TO THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE WAS LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS DOCUMENT, UM, AND TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND SO WE'LL ACCOUNT FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADJUSTED FOR GENERALLY OUR, UM, THE WAY OUR SUBDIVISION CODE READS.
WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A PROVISION FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, AND AT THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE STAFF ON BOARD THAT CAN EFFECTIVELY ANALYZE IT EITHER.
SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO HIRE SOMEBODY, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.
BUT, UM, FOLLOWING THAT, AND I'M SURE I, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S GOING TO BE REVISIONS TO OUR CODE RELATED TO THAT.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A, A VERY SIMPLE CHART IN TERMS OF HOW WE CALCULATE THE RELATED.
IT'S AN OPERATION IN ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE AS A ONE-TIME FEE PER DEVELOPERS.
AND SO IT'S BASED ON THE TYPE OF LAND USE AND THERE'S A MORTIFICATION AMOUNT AND A COST FIGURE.
AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, VERY SIMPLE, UM, EQUATION IT'S DEVELOPER FRIENDLY.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE STARTING TO GO VERTICAL AND WE'RE STARTING TO CONDENSE, UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING THAT ELEMENT IN THERE.
LAST THING WE NEED IS, IS HIGH DENSITY WITH TONS OF TRAFFIC.
SO THERE'S, IT'S GOING TO GENERATE TRAFFIC WITHOUT A DOUBT.
IT DOES NEED TO BE EFFECTIVELY MANAGED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UM, SO FIRST, UH, YOU MENTIONED PARKING AND, AND I SAW THAT IT SAID CHANGES TO THE PARKING RATIO CALCULATIONS IN THE MXD ZONING DISTRICTS TO BETTER CLARIFY EXPECTATIONS.
UM, SO I ALSO SAW FROM THERE, I THINK IT WAS WHAT, 1.6, FIVE SPACES PER RESIDENT, UH, ORIGINAL UNIT RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
UM, IS THAT, HOW DID YOU GET TO THAT NUMBER? IS THAT WHAT WE DO FROM MULTIFAMILY? WELL, USUALLY SO GENERALLY FOR MULTI-FAMILY AND NOT NECESSARILY THE MXD ZONING DISTRICT, UM, IT IS TWO SPACES, MINIMUM AND HALF SPACE, ADDITIONALLY FOR EACH BEDROOM ABOVE TWO BEDROOMS. SO IF YOU GOT THREE BEDROOMS, TWO AND A HALF, IF YOU'RE AT FOUR BEDROOMS, YOU'VE GOT THREE.
UM, AND THAT THAT'S THE WAY OUR MULTI-FAMILY CODE READS.
SO THAT'S A REALLY HIGH NUMBER, UM, TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO WORK OUT IMPLEMENTATION OF AN URBAN FORM.
UM, AND SO IF I HAD MY WAY ABOUT IT, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY OUR CODE READS.
SO WE HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, UM, WHERE WE CAN REDUCE IT DOWN TO WHAT'S AN, UH, PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATE NUMBER, BUT ALSO THAT TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO ABOUT 1.65 BETWEEN BETWEEN ONE AND TWO UNITS OR PARKING SPACES PER UNIT AVERAGE OUT OVER THE SITE IS, IS, IS A SWEET SPOT GENERALLY.
AND THAT'S JUST FROM OTHER CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD AT OTHER DEVELOPERS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST MR. RODRIGUEZ PROJECT.
UM, SO JUST, UH, YEAH, SO, OKAY.
AND SO THERE'S THE 1.65 PER UNIT.
AND, AND THEN IN ADDITION, THERE'S ALSO THE REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT WOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL PARKING BASICALLY.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY, I MEAN, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A COMMERCIAL AREA PARKING AND THEY, AND A RESIDENTIAL AREA PARKING AT LEAST FROM THESE DESIGNS, BUT THAT'S ALSO
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INCLUDED.SO IN ADDITION TO THE MULTIFAMILY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR SPACES FOR 1000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA AND GROSS FLOOR AREA IS JUST MULTIPLE FLOORS OF COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE, IF THEY'RE ONLY ON THE GROUND FLOOR, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE GROUND FLOOR.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.
IT DOESN'T GET INTO THE REALLY DETAILED DESIGN OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PARTITION THE COMMERCIAL OR CALL IT PUBLIC PARKING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PUBLIC, BUT WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACCESS IT AND PARK AND ENJOY THE OUTDOOR DINING EXPERIENCES.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL REALLY FLESH THAT OUT AND LOOK AT THEIR DESIGN AND MAKE SURE IT MAKES SENSE, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE ACCESS POINTS TO IT.
AND ALSO THE, CAUSE THE LAST THING, LAST THING THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO WANT, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR YOU, UM, IS THAT THEIR, UM, THEIR RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING AND THAT CAN START TO GET DICEY WHENEVER, IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL SO WELL, AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, THEY'LL JUST MOVE INTO THE COMMERCIAL PARKING.
AND SOMETIMES THE COMMERCIAL, THEY DON'T LIKE THAT EITHER.
CAUSE THEY WANT HIGH TURNOVER.
SO FROM THEIR PARKING, UM, YES, BUT JUST A MOMENT.
NOW I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT UH, I'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THE FLOOR TO, OKAY.
HEY GUYS, MY NAME IS SEAN RAFTERY.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THE 1.65 SPOTS WAS A MINIMUM FOR US, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT IN THE ONE SEVENS, IF WE CAN.
UH, I JUST WANT IT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE MINIMUM TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL POTENTIAL RESTAURANTS.
UM, NEXT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, OKAY, SO MXD JUST MSC, NOT, NOT, NOT A POD, JUST MXD THE, THE EXPECTATION IS EVERY BUILDING IS MIXED USE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO I, I BELIEVE I'M NOT SURE IF IT HAS TO BE THE BOTTOM FLOOR, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE ASSUMPTION BOTTOM FLOOR COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL ABOVE UNITS ARE RESIDENTIAL FOR THE MOST PART, CORRECT? YES.
IF YOU WENT STRAIGHT, IF YOU HAD A PROJECT THAT YOU CREATED SUCCESSFULLY WITH OUR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT IN DIVISION 26, THE ALL BUILDINGS HAVE TO HAVE A GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL COMPONENT AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON FLOORS TWO THROUGH WHATEVER HEIGHT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GET.
SO THE EXCEPTION WE'RE GIVING HERE IS THAT FOUR OF THE SIX BUILDINGS WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL.
THERE'LL BE COMPLETELY MULTI-FAMILY.
IT IS THE TWO THAT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL HAVE A GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, EVERYTHING ELSE, RESIDENTIAL THAN EVERY OTHER BUILDING BEHIND THOSE TWO WE'LL HAVE COMPLETE MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, I'LL ACTUALLY TALK MORE WITH YOU GUYS AND DISCUSSION, BUT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I CLARIFY THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS MR. CHAIR? YES.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM SEVEN EIGHT.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
AND IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER? UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, SO DISCUSSIONS OF TIME, COUNT WHERE WE CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF HELP PUSH IT ALONG.
AND I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THIS ITEM THAT I VERY MUCH AM SUPPORTIVE OF.
LIKE WE SET IT ALREADY AND EAST KYLE SPECIFICALLY HAVING MORE THINGS THAT SET IT APART IS SOMETHING I'M ALWAYS A FAN OF, YOU KNOW, UM, THE ADDITION OF THE VIBE AND THEN JUST HAVING OPTIONS SUCH AS A POSSIBLE MICROBREWERY OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IS, IS GOOD.
AND, AND, AND I'M ALSO GENERALLY ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF MXD.
I BELIEVE MIXED USE IS A GOOD, IS A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR RESIDENTIAL.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR, OUR, OUR RETAIL SERVICES AREA.
WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH OF IT AND WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN UP QUITE A BIT TO VARIOUS SUBDIVISIONS AND SO ON.
AND SO LOSING MORE OF IT IS TRICKY.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, YOU ALSO WANT TO
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HAVE YOUR DENSITY WHERE THINGS ARE PEOPLE, PEOPLE SHOULD BE RIGHT OFF THE TRAIL SYSTEM.PEOPLE SHOULD BE NEAR THE HOSPITAL NEAR ALL THOSE BUSINESSES.
SO THE WAY TO HAVE THAT BOTH COME IN LINE TO NOT LOSE YOUR RETAIL SERVICES AND TO ALSO HAVE DENSITY THERE, MXD IS A GREAT OPTION FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
THE ISSUE IS HOW MUCH IS THE RIGHT LEVEL TO GIVE UP WHEN A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY WILL NOW STILL BE RETAIL, THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF TWO OF THE SIX BUILDINGS.
AND SO THERE, I BELIEVE THERE IS QUITE A BIT GOING FOR THIS ITEM.
UM, AND THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY I, I'M VERY, VERY GLAD THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE AND I HOPE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE WATCHING OR WILL WATCH BEFORE THEIR MEETING BECAUSE, UH, THESE ARE A THING THAT THIS IS A THING THAT, UH, REALLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THIS, THIS, HOW MUCH OF A, UM, CONSIDERATION SHOULD WE GIVE TO THIS? AND SO, UH, HOW MUCH LENIENCY SHOULD WE HAVE TO WHAT MXD ACTUALLY IS? AND SO THIS IS ONLY, I'M DEFINITELY ON THE FENCE ABOUT, AND I WANT TO BRING IT UP IN DISCUSSION, SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAD A THOUGHT AND HELP SWAY ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OUR, WE NEED TO LOOK OUT AND COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE LOCATION.
WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO GO THERE? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A BIG BOX RETAILER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR SIGNAGE FRONT OUT ON I 35, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PULL OFF THE HIGHWAY TO GO TO THAT STORE.
THAT THAT PREMIUM SPACE IS STILL AVAILABLE DOWN THE CORRIDOR, BUT AS YOU START GOING DEEPER IN IT, IT, IT GOES AWAY.
SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE LARGER RETAIL SPACES TAKE UP THOSE, THOSE AREAS.
IT'S JUST, JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.
UM, I THINK OF LIKE A, THE DOMAIN IN NORTH AUSTIN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, THAT'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE WITHIN THAT AREA.
AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY IS, IS BRINGING THAT TYPE OF ASPECT IN WHICH I THINK THIS PROJECT DOES.
I THINK THAT, UM, YEAH, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE A LOT MORE RETAIL, BUT YOU'VE GOT THAT, THAT NATURAL SORT OF PUBLIC AREA.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET BACK, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE PRIVATE AND THIS SORT OF TENANTS WITH THE SIGNAGE AND ATTRACTING RETAIL IN THAT AREA WOULD BE, I THINK, DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PARKING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S DESIGNED PRETTY WELL.
[B.
Consider a request by the City of Kyle, (Z-21-0092) to rezone approximately 45.5 acres of land from ‘RS’ to ‘PUD’ (RS – 19 acres, MXD – 26.5 acres) for property located at 20139 IH-35, in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
CONSIDER A REQUEST BY THE CITY OF KYLE Z DASH TWO ONE DASH 0 0 9 2 TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 45.5 ACRES OF LAND FROM RS TO P U D R S DASH 19 ACRES MXD 26.5 ACRES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 0 1 3 9.
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
UM, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
YOU MAY COME UP NOW SEEING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
UH, WILKINSON SENIOR YOU'RE FOR THE RECORD, UH, TO BEGIN WITH, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE LACK OF BACKUP MATERIAL ON THE, ON THE ITEM.
UH, WE WERE NEGOTIATING PRETTY MUCH NEGOTIATING RIGHT UP TO THE VERY END ON THIS ONE, UM, TO GET IT TO A PLACE THAT WAS READY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO SEE, WHICH IS WHY Y'ALL HAVE PAPER PACKETS RELATED TO IT.
UM, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING FOR UP ON THE SCREEN RELATED TO IT.
UM, THIS IS A CITY INITIATED PUD ZONING, UM, THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER.
OOH, IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE HAD FOR THE SAME, UH, PROPERTY, UM, A REZONING REQUEST FROM THE SAME, UM, APPLICANTS, UH, TO REZONE THE NINE ACRES UP FRONT FOR A RETAIL SERVICES.
AND THEN OUR THREE-THREE BEHIND IT FOR THE REMAINING BIT OFF OF THE INTERSTATE.
UM, IN THE END, UH, COUNCIL, UH, DECIDED NOT TO PASS IT.
UM, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE MORE STRAIGHT MULTI-FAMILY AND,
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UM, IN THE PROCESS.SO IT HAD TO, FOR THEM TO COME BACK, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO WAIT A WHILE TO RE ASK THE SAME QUESTION.
UM, SO SINCE THEN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION FOR THIS AREA OF THE CITY, NOT JUST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, UM, THIS ACRES HERE, BUT, UH, NORTH TO BB ROAD, EAST OF THIS POINT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO BEGIN A MORE COHESIVE DESIGN, AND THIS IS ONLY A SMALL COMPONENT OF IT.
SO WE CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS TRACT TODAY.
UM, WHAT WAS POSTED ISN'T A 19 ACRES, UM, FOR IT TO RESET RETAIL SERVICES AND A 26 AND A HALF ACRES TO VERTICAL MIXED USE, UM, WHICH THIS WAS A REQUEST WENT FORWARD VERY FAST AND OVER THE HOLIDAYS.
SO THERE WASN'T A LOT OF TIME TO, UM, DO A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE.
WE DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE ON, UM, I'M ACTUALLY NOTICING IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, BUT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR IT WITHIN THE PUD DOCUMENT ITSELF, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY THAT'S ALLOWED.
UM, SO WHAT'S EFFECTIVELY GOING TO HAPPEN IS, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, A ONE, UH, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO UTILIZE MXD IN THE EASTERN 10 ACRES OF THE RETAIL SERVICES TRACT, WHICH IS, UM, THE FIRST NINE ACRES UP AGAINST , AND THEN THERE'S FURTHER EXHIBITS AT THE END.
SO YOU CAN, IT'LL BETTER CLARIFY IT, BUT THIS PROJECT IS A VERY RELATIVELY SIMILAR PROJECT TO THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, SOME VERTICAL MIXED USE COMPONENTS TO AS SOME, A HUNDRED PERCENT MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, BUT THEN THEY HAVE SOME RETAIL PAD SITES SPECIFICALLY ALONG THE FRONTAGE, UM, SOME STANDALONE ONES.
UM, SO FROM A PROJECT ENHANCEMENT STANDPOINT, UM, NEC THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEDICATE THEIR PORTION OR THEIR REQUIRED DEFICIT OF THE BB ROAD.
RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT'S A TOTAL OF 60 FEET REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO WIDEN BB ROAD TO ALLOW FOR A CENTER TURN LANE.
IT'S, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1400 LINEAR FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE CORNER OF 35 TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IF THEY ACCOMPLISH THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT AN INTERNAL LOCAL EAST WEST PUBLIC STREET, WHICH IS GOING TO PUNCH THROUGH THIS PARALLEL AND SOUTH OF BB ROAD, UM, WITH, UM, STREET TREES.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU SOME PARALLEL PARKING? UM, THE, THE STRAIGHT RS, UH, PORTION OF IT IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK PARALLEL TO THE SERVICE ROAD THAT MATCHES THE 10 FOOT SECTION AND CONSTRUCTED BY TEXTILE NORTH UBB ROAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE ACCESS ROAD RECENTLY, AS YOU GO PAST BB ROAD, THERE'S A SUPER WIDE SIDEWALK THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, HOW DID TEXAS NOT KNOW THAT WE WERE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THE VIBE? RIGHT? AND THEN THE ANSWER IS THEY DIDN'T, BUT IN THEIR PROJECT DESIGN, THEY, THEY THREW THAT IN THERE.
SO, UM, WHILE IT'S NOT PART OF OUR VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM, IT'S A VERY NICE SIDEWALK.
SO WE'RE JUST WANTING TO CONTINUE SOUTH, UH, FLANKING , UM, LET'S SEE, UH, CONSTRUCTION AT THE VIBE TRAIL ABOUT 12 FEET WIDE AND ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS, LIGHTING, CONDUIT, LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA.
UH, WE DO NOW HAVE A STANDARD DETAIL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ON THE WEBSITE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO OF, UH, OF A PROPER DESIGN FOR WHAT WE'VE ACROSS SECTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL AS WELL, ENGINEERING JUST FINISHED IT.
UM, AND, UM, IT'S PROBABLY, THEY'RE GOING TO THE AREA THAT THE VIBE TRAIL GOES IN IS ABOUT 20 WIDE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 600 FEET EAST, WEST ALONG THE TREE, ALONG THE CREEK.
THEY HAVE THERE JUST NORTH OF LOWS.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTING THAT OR THAT PORTION OF IT.
SO, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A VIBE SPOT ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT FOR THE BUILDINGS, FLANKING, THE SOUTHERN END OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY TO WHERE THEY'VE INTEGRATED, UM, AT LEAST THREE GOLF CART, PARKING STALLS, CHARGING STATIONS, APPROXIMATELY 20 STANDARD PARKING SPACES, AND IN MANY AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME OFF THE TRAIL AND, UM, ENJOY MAYBE A FOOD TRUCK, OR MAYBE THERE'S AN OUTDOOR CONCERT VENUE THERE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
AND NOW FURTHER REFINEMENT OF WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE LOOKING THERE CAN COME AT IN TERMS OF TIME AND AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN WHERE, UM, YOU MUST GET, CAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE BIG PICTURE ITEMS AND SOME OF THE REFINEMENTS ARE MORE APPROPRIATE AT THAT LEVEL.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE WE GOT HERE.
UM, COMMERCIAL USES NINE, INCLUDING RESTAURANTS, THREE SPACES FOR 1000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
WE ALSO HAVE MAXIMUMS IN OUR CODE, SO AM I ENDED UP BEING FOUR? SO BETWEEN THREE OR FOUR IS FINE AND THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD.
UM, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A MINIMUM OF 1.3 SPACES PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, AGAIN THAT WE ALSO HAVE MAXIMUMS AS WELL.
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SO IT WILL BE, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT.UM, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE GOLF CART PARKING, UM, WITHIN NOT JUST THE VIBE WHERE THEY HAVE TO PUT AT LEAST THREE SPACES, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT, UM, THIS MATCHES WHAT THE CODE AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TONIGHT IS ALSO AS WELL.
AND, AND JUST TO GET AN A, JUST SO YOU'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHY WE CHOSE A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT RULE.
UM, WHEN I WAS THINKING OF IT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE START GETTING PARKING RATIOS, ESTABLISHED MINIMUMS FOR THE GOLF CART PARKING, JUST TO GET A BASELINE STANDARD.
I LITERALLY WAS THINKING, OKAY, WHERE IN THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER, WOULD IT BE A GOOD START? SO I'D PICKED THE STRIP CENTER RIGHT THERE ON THE HARD CORNER WHERE LIKE JERSEY MIKE'S IS AND ALL THAT.
AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 23, 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF HE HAD A MINIMUM OF TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD START.
MIND YOU WE'RE DRAFTING THE CODE FROM OUT OF THIN AIR FOR THE VIBE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DRAFT SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.
AND SO WE DID THAT AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 20% OF WHATEVER YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD OF YOUR OVERALL PARKING, BE REPLACED BY GOLF CART PARKING, AND THAT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT.
ALTHOUGH WE DO ENCOURAGE SOMETHING IN THERE LIKE THAT, UM, INTERNAL SIDEWALKS, AT LEAST FIVE FEET WIDE.
AND THERE'S AN EXHIBIT FOR EXHIBIT TWO SECURITY FENCING WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE MUCH OF THE SAME ON THE, UH, AS MR. RODRIGUEZ PROJECT ON SEVEN EIGHT, UH, THE ADJACENT LANE MILE FEE.
UM, THEY, THIS IS SUBJECT TO PAYING THE FEE EXCEPT, UM, IF THEY'RE WIDENING BY BB ROAD, UM, THEY CAN GET A CREDIT TOWARDS IT.
AND IF THE COST OF WIDENING BB ROAD EXCEEDS THE ALM FEE, THEN, THEN, THEN THEY DON'T PAY IT.
UM, SOME RESTRICTIONS ON USES AND LET'S SEE SOME COMMERCIAL STANDARDS FOR THE, UM, WHERE WE EXPECT TO HAVE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UM, UH, CEILING HEIGHT ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF 12 FEET.
UM, WHAT ELSE WE GOT HERE? JUST SOME MASSING AND ARTICULATIONS IN THE BILLINGS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE MORE COMMERCIAL.
UM, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE, THEY CAN HAVE GROUND FLOOR LIVE, WORK UNITS IN THIS DOCUMENT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND SO THE INTENT IS TO CREATE THE EXTERIOR FACADE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THERE IS COMMERCIAL UNITS THERE.
SO THAT WAY IT ENCOURAGES MORE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, WIND.
THE MARKET IS READY FOR IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST SECTION OF A LARGER MAJOR PROJECT WE'RE CONSIDERING IN THIS AREA.
SO IT MAY NOT BE QUITE READY FOR RETAIL FOR GROUND FLOOR IN THE VERTICAL MIXED USE.
SO WE ARE ALLOWING LIVE WORK UNITS, ALTHOUGH WE DO HIGHLY ENCOURAGE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE, THERE'S THE SETBACKS IN THERE THAT A LOT OF THE SAME EXCEPTIONS FROM WHAT OUR AMEX D UM, ZONING DISTRICT ALREADY HAS, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
UM, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN MR. RODRIGUEZ PROJECT, BUT IT'S CONCEPTUALLY IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY AND, AND VERTICAL MIXED USE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO, YES, SIR.
UNDER USE RESTRICTIONS, YOU HAVE THE ONE GAS STATION, ONE CONVENIENCE STORE.
UH, CAN WE RESTRICT THE, UM, BUILDING OF ANOTHER CARWASH THERE AS WELL? WE CAN MAKE THAT AS A NOTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE POLKA LOCAL GROUP IS HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR, YOUR GUYS, BUT OKAY.
UH, I CAN MAKE IT AS A NOTE, AS A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN IF, UH, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE WITH IT, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, THE ISSUE I'M HAVING AND WE'LL GO TO DISCUSSION IS THIS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE, THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE.
IT'S A LOT CLOSER TO THAT, TO THAT RETAIL ZONE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE LIVE WORK.
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT? I MEAN, DOES THAT JUST MEAN THERE'S GOING TO BE RESIDENCES BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY VAGUE TERM.
UM, IN CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AT LIVE WORK, THERE IS A EXAMPLE THAT IT'S CONSTANTLY BROUGHT UP IS THE, AND I'M GOING TO PROBABLY MISPRONOUNCE THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S EITHER MUELLER, A MILLER, AND I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I'M NOT ORIGINALLY FROM AROUND HERE.
AND, UH, UM, THE, THE MILLER AIRPORT REDEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE LIVE WORK UNITS.
WHAT IS IT? MUELLER? THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, THE MUELLER DEVELOPMENT HAS LIVE WORK UNITS WHERE, UM, THEY ARE DESIGNED AS COMMERCIAL ON GROUND FLOOR,
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BUT THERE'S USUALLY A SECOND FLOOR, UM, SLEEPING AREA, BUT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE A KIND OF AN IN-BETWEEN SPOT.SO IF COMMERCIALLY AND FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE OF THINGS, IF THE MARKET'S NOT READY FOR IT, PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN THEM AND THEY CAN RELATIVELY EASILY CONVERT THEM INTO A COMMERCIAL USE.
USUALLY THEY'RE MORE OF A, UH, SOMETIMES THEY'RE MORE OF A, AN OFFICE RELATED COMMERCIAL, BUT, UM, IF THE DESIGN APPROACH APPROPRIATELY THEY CAN HAVE, UM, STUB OUTS IS INAPPROPRIATE UTILITIES FOR RESTAURANTS AND ALL THAT TOO.
SO I JUST THINK IT JUST GETS A LITTLE BIT, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT CLARIFIED BECAUSE IT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY NICE IN THEORY, LIKE AN ART GALLERY WITH SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THE ARTISTS LIVING UPSTAIRS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT JUST GOES DOWN.
THE ROAD OF JUST BECOMES RESIDENTIAL MEAN, I HEAR YOU.
THERE'S WHEN WE DO ENCOURAGE YOU, IT, IT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT A METRIC TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE AT A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME WHEN THEY HAVE TO BECOME RETAIL.
AND THAT'S REALLY A VERY, IT'S A REALLY LARGE GRAY AREA BECAUSE IT REALLY LIKE WE CAN PUT IN REQUIREMENTS ALL WE WANT, BUT A LOT IN THE END, THE MARKET HAS TO DICTATE WHEN IT COMES TO WHEN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION BETWEEN FLEXIBILITY AND IF WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, AND STAFF IS OKAY WITH THE IDEA, BUT IF YOU'RE WANTING TO LOOK FOR MORE CLARIFICATION, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK THROUGH THAT TOO.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT ACTUALLY COULD BECOME FULL RESIDENTS.
SO, UM, SINCE I WASN'T ABLE TO, TO, TO GO OVER THE SIDE OF TIME, JUST, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THERE IS THAT LIVE WORK UNITS, BUT, UM, UNLIKE THE OTHER ONE, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC THESE, YOU KNOW, THIS PERCENTAGE OF BUILDINGS IN THE MXD MUST ACTUALLY BE MIXED USE.
THESE DON'T HAVE TO BE MIXED USE AT ALL.
SO IN THEORY, EVERY BUILDING WILL EITHER HAVE COMMERCIAL OR, YOU KNOW, ON GROUND FLOOR OR HAVE AT LEAST THAT KIND OF POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL, OR ARE WE ALSO LOOKING AT THE INTERIOR BUILDINGS AGAIN, JUST BEING PURELY MULTIFAMILY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXHIBITS, ONE THROUGH THREE, THE UPSIDE DOWN L SHAPE IS THE, WHERE THE LIVE WORK UNITS ARE, ARE VERTICAL MIXED USES, PROPOSED TO BE, UM, AND EVERYTHING BELOW THAT INTERNAL TO THAT PART IS GOING TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SOMETHING STAFF IS SUPPORTS, BUT STAFF SUPPORTED THE LAST THING AS WELL, THAT THE COUNCIL DIDN'T, AND I'M NOT SURE I SEE ENOUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS REJECTED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND WHAT'S HERE IN FRONT OF US.
I MEAN, IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING, I UNDERSTAND, LIKE NOW THERE WILL BE THOSE LIVE WORKPLACES, WHICH THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T HAVE.
SO THAT IS A STEP FORWARD, BUT IT IS THAT REALLY THE ONLY MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE, WHICH WAS A RETAIL IN THE FRONT MULTI-FAMILY IN THE BACK.
THIS SEEMS VERY SIMILAR WITH THAT ONE DIFFERENCE.
THE, THE ZONING THAT CAME FORWARD BEFORE WAS JUST, JUST PRETTY MUCH SPLIT BETWEEN NOT EVENLY, OF COURSE, BUT JUST RETAIL AND THEN .
SO THERE WAS NO, A LOT OF IT IS HOW IT FUNCTIONS FROM A HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE STREETSCAPE AND THE URBAN FORM OF IT.
UM, VERSUS YOU CAN JUST PUT GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS IN AND JUST IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE PAST, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN TOO.
LIKE IT'S WE DO SUPPORT THIS I IN AN IDEAL WORLD, YEAH.
EVERYTHING WOULD BE GROUND FOR COMMERCIAL, BUT BECAUSE MR. RODRIGUEZ PROJECT, IT WAS FURTHER INSIDE OF A EXISTING COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION.
IT'S THERE'S A LOT MORE CONNECTIVITY, MORE WALKABILITY IN THE AREA, WORKS A LOT BETTER FROM THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE.
THEN THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE DOES AT THIS TIME.
SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN FLEXIBILITY, BUILT INTO THE PUD TO WHERE STUFF COULD BE CONVERTED INTO GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL LATER ON AS THE MARKET CHANGES.
SO, WHEREAS IF WE JUST SAID, YUP, STRAIGHT MULTIFAMILY, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
SO YES, SIR, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, ALL RIGHT.
MY NAME IS PATRICK RIORDAN AND I AM A DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR JOURNEYMEN GROUP.
ONE OF WE'RE, ONE OF THE THREE ENTITIES HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS DEVELOPMENT
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WITH CITY STAFF, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK WILL AND AMBER AND SCOTT SELLERS AS WELL.THEY'VE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH US ON THIS.
THE VERY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST PROPOSALS THAT REJECT BY COUNCIL AND THIS PUD IS THE EAST-WEST PUBLIC STREET THAT BISECTS IT.
AND YOU'LL NOTE, IT GOES AT KIND OF AN ODD ANGLE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW A 21 INCH HIGH PRESSURE, NATURAL GAS MAIN THAT'S BURIED THROUGH THE PROPERTY THAT WE CAN'T REALLY USE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO CUT INTO.
SO IT FOLLOWS THAT FOR A CONVENIENCE FOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO MAXIMIZE WHAT'S DEVELOPABLE, DEVELOP A BOWL ON THERE RATHER THAN TRYING TO CROSS OVER THAT AT ANY POINT THAT, BUT THAT'S A MAIN CROSS STREET BEING PROPOSED HERE THAT WILL HAD DESCRIBED EARLIER AS A STREET WITH TREES AND PARALLEL PARKING IN A WAY TO GET TO THE NEXT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
SO THAT'S QUITE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
IN ADDITION, THERE ARE THREE NORTH SOUTH AVENUES TO BE BUILT INTO THIS.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS THE STRIP OF RETAIL THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT WE BOUGHT INTO.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR 16 OF THE ACRES.
THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT HAS A CONTRACT ABOUT 14, THAT DID A PROPOSAL, BUT OUR PROPOSALS WERE MORE GARDEN STYLE.
I BELIEVE THE OTHER DEVELOPER HAD FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.
WE PROPOSE THREE STORY, WALK UP GARDEN STYLES AND JOURNAL.
YOU KNOW, THEM THEY'RE, THEY'RE FENCED THE PR THE PARKING'S ALL INTERNAL ON SURFACE, ET CETERA.
BUT THE CITY CAME TO US AND SAID, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT THAT AS A MODEL FOR THIS, WE WANT A MORE URBAN MODEL.
WE WANT YOU TO PUSH THESE THINGS, THESE BUILDINGS OUT TO THE STREET, WE WANT AN URBAN STREETSCAPE.
SO NOW WE'RE PROPOSING FOUR AND FIVE STORY BUILDINGS ACROSS THE PROPERTY THAT ARE MUCH DENSER WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, IN OTHER WAYS, FIND THE PARKING ON THIS, BUT PRESENT STREETSCAPE.
WE SEE IT AS STREET LIT, MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THESE KIND OF A BROWNSTONE STOOP THING TO THE STREET, BUT A LOT OF TREES THAT BEING PRESCRIBED IN THIS PUD, UH, AND THEN A TIE INTO THE VIBE, UH, UH, THE, AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT, FROM A DEVELOPMENTAL STANDPOINT, IT'S PRETTY RADICALLY DIFFERENT.
UH, AND IT IS A MORE EXPENSIVE PROPOSAL.
AND I DID WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE LIVE WORK.
YES, IT COULD BE ALL LIVE IT EARLY ON.
THE DRIVING FACTOR IS THE DOLLARS BECAUSE FOR US TO RENT OUT THE PROPERTIES AS A RETAIL COMMERCIAL SPACE IS A HIGHER PER SQUARE FOOT THAN WE CAN GET FOR, UH, SIMPLY AN APARTMENT.
SO THE DRIVE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE TO BRING IN RETAIL CLIENTS, WHETHER IT'S AN OFFICE OR AN ART GALLERY OR A FURNITURE STORE, OR ANOTHER BOUTIQUE SERVICE, LIKE A HAIRDRESSER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD AS OWNERS WANT TO PUSH OUR STAFF FOR.
WHEN WE BUILD OUR PROPERTIES, WE, WE, WE HAVE OUR OWN MANAGEMENT COMPANY IN HOUSE AS WELL.
AND SO WE BRING ON OUR STAFF AND OUR, OUR LEASING AGENTS, AND WE LEASE THESE OUT OURSELVES AND MANAGE THEM WITH OUR OWN INTERNAL STAFF MANAGEMENT.
SO WE WOULD DRIVE LIVE, WORK IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT UNTIL THERE'S A PROVE OUT, CAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY ON THE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ON THE RETAIL PATH PER SE.
IT'S STILL A WEAK FIELD OUT THERE.
WE KNOW IT'LL COME ALONG AND IT'LL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE BOTTOM LINE FOR THE PROJECT.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A LIVE WORK ARRANGEMENT SO WE CAN FILL IT UP.
WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE UNITS FAKE AND AT THE BOTTOM, THAT WOULD BE VERY, UH, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD BE A NEGATIVE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OVERALL.
SO TO BUILD THEM WITH A TALLER CEILINGS WITH STOREFRONT GLASS TO MAKE THEM LOOK COMMERCIAL, UH, IS INVITING TO, TO BRING THEM IN.
AND THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE MARKETED TO THE PUBLIC AS A RETAIL SPACE, COMMERCIAL SPACE, JUST, JUST AS CURIOSITY, WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG STOREFRONT AND SOMEONE'S LIVING BEHIND IT, HOW DID THEY MAKE THAT? YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE CURTAINS ACROSS IT OR ANYTHING.
YEAH, NO, IT IT'S KIND OF LIKE LIVING IN A HIGH RISE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S THAT, THAT'S THE EASY PART IS, IS TO MAKE THEM LOOK GOOD.
YES, NO, WE HAVE TO MAKE THE INTERIOR FACE LOOK GOOD AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR FACE AND THAT SITUATION.
AND FRANKLY, IF YOU COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE AND WITH THE BIG GLASS AND STUFF THAT IF YOU'RE NOT TOO MUCH OF A INTROVERT OR TOO PRIVATE, IT'S ACTUALLY CAN BE A REAL WONDERFUL SPACE TO LIVE IN
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AS WELL, AS LONG AS IT'S THE, ON THE, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL SIDE.AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR AND FIVE STORIES.
SO THAT YOU'D HAVE AN ELEVATOR.
WE, WE ONLY DO WALK UPS ON THREE-STORY GARDEN STUFF.
WE WERE, WE'RE A BIG APARTMENT DEVELOPER BASED IN AUSTIN.
WE'VE, WE'VE COME BACK TO CONCENTRATE JUST REALLY IN HASTE, TRAVIS AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
AND, UH, THE LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE BEEN THE LARGEST APARTMENT DEVELOPER IN THIS AREA.
SO WE'VE DONE, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, UH, QUITE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS, INCLUDING GARDEN STYLE, INCLUDING, UH, WE CALL THEM GERBEN WILL, I GUESS THE, THE URBAN, THE URBAN INFILL, I CALL THEM, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE THEIR PROJECTS WITH PARKING GARAGES AND FIVE STORIES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT REVOLVES AROUND CODE.
AND WHAT CODE ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD WITH CERTAIN MATERIALS? WOOD FRAMING STOPS AT FIVE STORIES BASICALLY.
WELL, I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S A MARKET FOR APARTMENTS WITH AN ELEVATOR, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE PASSED BY KYLE WHO COULD LIVE ANYWHERE BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO CARRY THEIR, AS I GET OLDER, I RIGHT THERE WROTE WITH, WITH EVERYBODY ON THAT TWENTIES AND THIRTIES, THIS ISN'T OLDER PEOPLE.
WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
SO, UM, UH, OUR, OUR PRODUCT IS A CLASS, A PRODUCT.
WE DO CLAY TOWEL, ROUGHS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE INSIGHTS OF NICE FINISHES, GRANITE STAINLESS, UH, THE, THE FULL EXPECTATION OF A CLASS, A, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
AND THEY'RE GETTING LARGER AS WE DEVELOP MORE AND MORE IN PART BECAUSE OF A RESPONSE TO WHAT IT COSTS TO LEASE AN APARTMENT.
SO IF YOU CAN GET A FEW MORE SQUARE FEET AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER, IT JUSTIFIES A LITTLE BIT WHAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY.
I HOPE THAT CLARIFIED THOSE COUPLE OF ISSUES.
I THINK WE'RE STILL ON ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, YES, SIR.
LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC ALMOST, UH, AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, I MUST GET SWAYED SOAP SIDESWIPES FROM SOMEBODY COMING OFF THE BB.
I DON'T AGAIN SEE ANYTHING IN HERE DISCUSSING TRAFFIC IMPACT OUT THERE.
WE KNOW THAT BB ROAD NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
WE HAVE OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE PER APPROVED, UM, IMPROVED TO, UM, THIS SECTION OF BB ROAD IN FRONT OF THIS PROJECT IS, UH, PROPOSED TO BE A THREE LANE COLLECTOR FOR A SHORT DISTANCE UNTIL INTERSECTS WITH THE FUTURE OF SETON PARKWAY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE NORTH, SOUTH AND CROSSING OVER TO SETON HOSPITAL.
UM, W EAST OF THAT IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST A MINOR ARTERIAL FOUR LANE, BUT WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT SEAT IN PARKWAY, GOING NORTH, SOUTH DIFFUSES SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC AND THEN INTERNAL ROADWAYS, WHEN THE SURROUNDING AREA, ADDITIONALLY ALSO, UM, DEVELOPS WHETHER THEIR ROADS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SHARED ACCESS EASEMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS CUTTING ACROSS THEM.
SO, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD A DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE INTERSECTION OF BB ROAD AND AND WHAT THAT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE.
UH, CAUSE THAT IS A TEXT DOC CONVERSATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC CONTROL, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING LIKE, UM, WELL, YEAH, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFICALLY TALKED TO WITH, WITH A TEXTILE AND THAT IS A WHOLE NOTHER SCALE AND LEVEL AS A PROJECT.
SO, UM, FOR WHAT WE COULD, UM, GET THOSE LOCKED DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S WHY WE TALKED ABOUT THE WIDENING OF VB ROAD SPECIFICALLY, UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IS WELL, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN ON BB ROAD AND IT'S NOT IN GREAT SHAPE.
IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD THAT IS BARELY MORE THAN A COUNTY LEVEL SERVICE.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS A YELLOW STRIPE DOWN THE MIDDLE ON IT.
UM, JUST FROM A SATELLITE IMAGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S WORN AWAY SINCE THE IMAGE TAKEN.
SO IT'S IN, IT'S NOT IN GOOD CONDITION AT ALL.
SO, UM, SO THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
AND THAT'S ALSO WHY THAT, UH, THAT THE ROAD GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT EAST WEST IS ALSO BEING ADDED IN THERE BECAUSE DO HELP FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY TO THE PROJECT, TO THE EAST OR THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE MORE SITE.
UM, THE WHOLE L A VERTICAL MIX USE COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE LIVE WORK.
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IT CAN, UM, AS MR. RUDIN HAD EXPLAINED AND ALSO MYSELF AS WELL.SO THE BB ROAD PART TWO, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCE TO IT.
UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN BEING ABLE TO PUT GROUND FOR YOU TO SEND IT WHEN THE APPROPRIATE TIMING HAPPENS FROM A MARKET ABILITY STANDPOINT.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS SEVEN B AS WRITTEN, JUST FOR DISCUSSION ON SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY MYSELF, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
ANY DISCUSSION? YES, YES, SIR.
UM, SO AS OPPOSED TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND, WELL, MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS STAND, I MEAN, THIS IS ON A, ON A MAJOR SECTION OF ROAD.
UM, THE RETAILERS MIGHT NOT BE HERE YET, BUT I THINK THEY COULD COME THROUGH.
UM, I DON'T, I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
SO JUST MYSELF, W YES, MA'AM COMMISSIONER KARA.
UM, I WANTED TO ADD OR REMIND, UM, AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT YOU ALL MIGHT LIKE TO SEE A LIMITATION TO MORE THAN ONE CARWASH.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT IT'S APPROVED WITH? SORRY, IT'S APPROVED WITH, UH, WITH THAT, ADDING THAT IN AS A RESTRICTED USE.
I RESCIND MY MOTION AND THEN DO A NEW MOTION.
I'M GOING TO RESCIND MY ORIGINAL IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS OKAY.
NOW, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SEVEN B AS WRITTEN WITH THE ADDITION TO RESTRICT A CARWASH FROM THE, UM, FROM THE PROJECT ARENA.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MYSELF, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UM, NEXT I, I THINK WE DID, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW, I KNOW THE PREVIOUS PROJECT FROM A YEAR AGO, THE COUNCIL DID REJECT IT, BUT IF IT'S, MY MEMORY IS RIGHT, WE HERE ON OUR BOARD APPROVED THAT.
AND IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WITHOUT GOING BACK TO LOOK AT IT, I OUGHT TO SAY THAT, BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.
I BELIEVE, UH, P AND Z DID APPROVE RECOMMENDED, RIGHT? AND AND, AND FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE AGAIN, UH, THERE ABSOLUTELY ARE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS NEW PROPOSAL BASED ON THE LAST ONE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S ENOUGH OF A CHANGE FOR WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS WANTING, BUT IT IS, IT IS IMPROVED FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, THE ROADS DEFINITELY AS AN IMPROVEMENT, THE VIVE INTEGRATION IS ALL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I DO SUPPORT.
AND SO, UM, I WAS IN FAVOR OF THE PREVIOUS ONE, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE AS WELL.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WILL, WILL AGREE THAT THIS IS ENOUGH OF A CHANGE, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION WE VOTE.
UM, TH UH, THERE IS A BIT OF A IT'S.
IT SEEMS WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS.
SO CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE? YAY.
AND THE MOTION FAILS, UH, TO, TO, TO NEXT, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION.
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Consider a request to construct an approximately 160,000 square foot Costco, fuel canopy and site plan for property located at 18962 IH-35 within I-35 overlay district. (Costco - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-21-0042)
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AND APPROXIMATELY 160,000 SQUARE FOOT COSTCO FUEL CANOPY AND SITE PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 180 9 62.I AGE 35 WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT COSTCO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP DASH TWO ONE DASH 0 0 42.
BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE ISSUES AS YOU SAY IT.
WELL, I CAN, WELL, I CAN SEE YOUR PLANNER FOR THE RECORD, UH, BEFORE YOU HAD THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR COSTCO.
UM, IT'S THROWN UP THERE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THE FRONT ELEVATION IS THE TOP ONE IS THE SIDE FACING .
UM, THE SECOND ONE DOWN IN ELEVATION.
NUMBER TWO IS THE NORTH ELEVATION.
UH, THE WEST ELEVATION IS THE ELEVATION NUMBER THREE, AND IT'S FACING THE APARTMENTS BEING BUILT BETWEEN EBO AND HOME DEPOT.
AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS THE SIDE FACING EVO.
WE HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ON THE ENTRY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE THE, I BELIEVE THAT IS STILL THE FRONT SIDE OF IT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN FROM THE SOUTH WEST, HERE'S A VIEW OF THE GAS STATION.
IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE HUGE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TALL IT IS, MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S UP THERE.
UM, IF YOU'RE COMING IN RIGHT THERE AND YOU, YOU LOOK INTO THE LEFT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE VIEW OF THE GAS STATION.
THEY'RE EXPECTED THE RENDERINGS.
IF YOU'RE COMING IN OVER BY THE SUNOCO, IF YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, UM, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT'S SIMILAR.
AND RIGHT HERE WE HAVE, UM, THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE FUEL CANOPY.
NOW, COSTCO IS A PROJECT THAT WITH ALL THE SURVEYS THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD OVER SEVERAL YEARS, THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WANTING FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, THEY FINALLY APPROACHED US AND SAID, WE WANT TO BE HERE.
AND AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, THEY HAVE TO GO AND GET ALL THEIR PERMITS THAT IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO THEIR SUBDIVISION, THEY ALREADY GOT THEIR ZONING, BUT, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUILDING PERMITS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, Y'ALL IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BE FLEXIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO THE 35 OVERLAY.
NOW, GENERALLY WE ARE, WE HOLD TIGHT TO OUR STANDARDS BECAUSE WE EXPECT THEM TO BE THE HIGHER END STANDARDS.
UH, COSTCO HAS DONE THAT FROM THE EAST ELEVATION THE SIDE THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL SEE THEY'VE DONE IT LARGELY ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE SOUTH AND IN THE WEST SIDE ARE NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO SUGAR COAT IT.
HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT HAS A OF EXPECTATIONS FOR IT TO BE MOVED THROUGH.
UM, BUT I WANT Y'ALL TO VOTE AS Y'ALL FEEL FIT, BUT I ALSO AM HOPING THAT YOU'LL WE'LL VOTE IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDING OR ACTUALLY VOTING TO APPROVE IT AS IT'S SHOWN.
NOW, THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, THE FACADE IS NOT EVERYTHING.
SO AS PART OF THE, UM, AGENDA ITEM THAT WE HAVE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU ARE FACING, LET'S JUST, IF YOU'RE STANDING INSIDE THE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AND YOU'RE FACING EAST TO THE BACK OF A COSTCO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE DASH LINE THERE, IT SEPARATES WHAT YOU CAN SEE IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE ELEVATION OF THE, UM, OF THE APARTMENTS ABOVE IT, THERE'S ABOUT AN EIGHT TO 10 FOOT DIFFERENCE, UM, VERSUS WHAT'S HIDDEN BELOW IT.
AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ALSO HAS A LOT OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THE BUFFER AS WELL.
I FAILED TO ADD THAT INTO THE, INTO THE BACK OF MATERIAL AND I APOLOGIZE.
UM, BUT BETWEEN COSTCO AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF BUFFERING AND ALSO A LOT OF, UM, ELEVATION CHANGE FROM, UH, FROM, UH, DISGUISING IT AND KIND OF SHIELDING IT AS WELL.
SO FROM THE COMBINATION OF THE ELEVATIONS AND ALSO THE BUFFERING, THE SITE IS LARGELY COMPLIANT.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE EXACT SPECIFICATIONS OF THE I 35 OVERLAY, BUT GIVEN THE SCALE OF THE PROPERTY, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE, WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO BUFFER IT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STAFF IS OKAY AND RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF COSTCO.
UM, AND WE ASK THAT YOU ALL DO THE SAME.
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QUESTIONS? OKAY.MR. JASON, JUST ONE, ANY OPPOSITION FROM THOSE OWNERS OF THE, OF THE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY.
SO, UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING PER SE, SO WE DON'T NOTICE, UH, THE, THE SURROUNDING LAND OWNERS.
THAT'S NOT FROM THE SIDE THAT IT'S NOT BEING DIRECTLY VISIBLE FROM THE OVERLAY OR CORRIDOR, IS THAT WHAT'S THE, THAT'S NOT IT'S.
THE MATERIALS QUITE AREN'T QUITE UP TO SNUFF WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE , UH, WE REQUIRE 90% MASONRY.
UM, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING IS THE, THE SOUTH AND THE, IN THE WEST FACE OF THE BUILDING, UM, THEY, THEY ARE ASKING TO PUT A METAL PANELING ON IT.
UM, BUT WITH THE BUFFERING BEHIND IT, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY WELL HIDDEN ACTUALLY ON THE WAY ON THE, ON THE REAR AND ALSO THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY HAVE.
UH, I GOT ANOTHER SHEET FOR YOU REAL QUICK.
AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF RE UM, UH, CUSTOMERS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING ANYWAY.
SO IT'S MOSTLY JUST FOR THE UNLOADING AND LOADING OF THEIR, THEIR STUFF.
SO I QUIT FIRE, FIRE SAFETY ROUTES.
SO RIGHT HERE, AS THE LANDSCAPING, UM, ELEVATION SHOWN, I GOT QUITE A BIT ON THE SITE.
UM, THEY THEY'D DONE A LOT TO PROTECT THE VIEW SHED, OR AT LEAST FROM THE FRONT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING, WE WERE COMING INTO THE ENTRANCE OF THE, OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THEY HAVE A STRING OF, UH, TREES ALONG THE BACK, ALONG WITH, UH, SHRUBBERY AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THEN THERE'S A APPROXIMATELY AN EIGHT FOOT DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION AS WELL.
SO THE COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE, IT, IF IT WAS JUST ON THE SAME ELEVATION FLAT, AND NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT DESIGN ELEMENTS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE FROM THE SITE, I'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HEARTBURN ABOUT IT, BUT IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH AS I, AS I HONESTLY THOUGHT IT WOULD INITIALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE, SO HERE ON THIS MAP THAT YOU HAVE, THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE NOW, WHAT IS THAT AREA NEXT TO THE, UH, GAS STATION, THAT GRAY AREA IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER? CORRECT.
FOR RIGHT NOW, IT IS LANDSCAPING.
UM, THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT THEY MAY ADD FUTURE PARKING, DEPENDING ON DEMAND FOR COSTCO, BUT IF THEY DO DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR PARKING RATIOS ON THE OVERALL SITE FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER, NOT JUST FOR COSTCO.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, IT DOESN'T EXCEED CERTAIN PARKING STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO WE'RE AFRAID THERE'S GOING TO BE TOO MUCH PARKING IF, IF THAT WAS ACTUAL PARKING AND NOT LANDSCAPING, I'M NOT, AS I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I'M AFRAID OF IT.
WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S WITHIN CODE BECAUSE, OKAY, THIS COSTCO IS DIFFERENT THAN LIKE THE ONE IN SOUTH AUSTIN, THE ONE IN SOUTH AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT WHAT THE QATAR CENTER AND THE TARGET NEXT TO IT.
IT'S ALL TO GIANT PARKING LOT WITH MULTIPLE PLACES.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SAM'S SOUTH AUSTIN HAS THE SAME THING.
SAM'S SAN MARCOS HAS THE SAME THING.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A COSTCO WITH ITS OWN DEDICATED COSTCO PARKING LOT.
AND, AND IT'S NOT QUITE SHARING A PARKING LOT WITH EVO OR OTHER PLACES, IS THAT CORRECT? TH THE PARKING RATIO IS HOW THEY'RE CALCULATED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HOME DEPOT AND EVO.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHARED PARKING WITH THE REST OF THE, OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO IT LINKS AROUND THE SOUTH SIDE OF EVO, THE FRONTAGE ON AND THE SECTION GOING UP TO WHERE QT IS WITH THE APARTMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN.
SO THEY ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S AVERAGED FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO IF THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP THAT AS LANDSCAPING AND JUST A GREEN AREA.
BUT IF THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED OUR MAXIMUM OVERALL PARKING RATIOS ON FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
BECAUSE FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THIS PLACE IS IT'S GOING TO BE PACKED DAY ONE, LIKE THIS.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GROW INTO IT AS KYLE GETS BIGGER.
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IT'LL GET MORE POPULAR.IT'S PROBABLY, YES, IT'S GOING TO BE PACKED.
AND, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO A TARGET TYPE PLACE.
LIKE LIKE THE OTHER ONE IS IN THAT IT HAS THAT SHARED PARKING.
UM, WELL, I MEAN, OFFICIALLY IT MIGHT SHARE THE PARKING, BUT IN PRACTICAL USE, IT SEEMS HERE THEY HAVE THEIR DEDICATED PARKING AREA.
AND SO JUST ME PERSONALLY, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT ISSUE AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT DOES, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THAT ACTUALLY BE PARKING.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE TOO MUCH PARKING FOR A COSTCO.
I THINK IT'S GONNA, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE JAMMED AND THEN THE OVERFLOW, EVEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING ALONG THERE.
UH, THE, AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU HAVE THE, I DON'T KNOW, IT WOULD CALL IT THE, UH, THE LOADING BAYS OR SOMETHING ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH FACES 35.
AND I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ASK THAT QUESTION AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT PRETTY MUCH ON THE EAST SIDE, JUST TH THAT'S WHERE LIKE THE COMPACTORS OR DUMPSTERS AND THINGS WOULD BE CORRECT.
THAT'S GOING TO SHOW IN THERE.
SO THE SECTION 53 DASH 8, 9, 9 GENERALLY HAS BEEN INTERPRETED AS SAYING YOU CANNOT HAVE, UM, LOADING BAYS FACING, UM, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, OR MOSTLY IT HAS TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING IN REALITY.
THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT IT SAYS.
IT JUST SAYS IT HAS TO BE SHIELDED FROM THEIR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THE LANDSCAPING DOWN THERE.
THEY SPECIFICALLY CLUSTERED IT TO SHIELD IT AS BEST AS THEY CAN IN TERMS OF THAT.
SO WHENEVER YOU'RE COMING IN, NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE AT, FROM WHEN THE LANDSCAPING IS MATURE.
SO YOU AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME GAPS IN IT AS WHEN, WHEN THEY PLAN IT.
BUT AT MATURITY, THAT LANDSCAPING, WE SHOULD EFFECTIVELY BUFFER THE, THE LOADING BAYS.
AND I DID TRY I EARLY ON, I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
I SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS, BUT THIS IS THE EXPECTATION.
BUT IN THE END, IT IS CODE COMPLIANT.
AND, AND YOU SHOWED US THAT PICTURE, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE RENDERING FROM, BUT IF YOU'RE AT THE, WHAT IS IT, THE GAS STATION THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU'RE LIKE STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TREES, THEN YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU SEE IT FROM 35 OR NOT? AND I'M NOT SURE.
UM, I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE COSTCO IN SOUTH AUSTIN AND, AND THEIR, THEIR DESIGN IS PRETTY SIMILAR IN THAT THE, THE LOADING BAYS ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL, BUT THEIR DESIGN IS DIFFERENT.
AND THAT THERE'S A MUCH FURTHER BACK HERE.
THE TRUCKS WILL PRETTY MUCH BE LEVEL WITH THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT'S NOT THE SAME DESIGN THAT THE SOUTH AUSTIN HAS.
AND SO I, I'M GLAD THERE'S TREES RIGHT THERE.
WE'LL SIX FOOT BUSHES AND TREES SHIELD THAT AREA OR NOT IS THE QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I DON'T KNOW, UH, TWO INCH, THE MINIMUM CALIPER THAT WE HAVE ON A TREE IS TWO INCHES AT PLANTING THAT GETS YOU TO SIX OR SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT AT THE TIME OF PLANTING, AND THEY HAVE TO BE IRRIGATED, UM, SO THAT THEY WILL, IT'LL REDUCE THE CHANCE OF IT DYING.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE PLANTED AT AN INAPPROPRIATE TIME OF THE YEAR.
SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, UM, IF THEY GET TO THE POINT IN THEIR, IN THEIR PLAN WHERE THEY EARN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, AND LANDSCAPING HAPPENS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO ASK THEM TO BOND AGAINST THE LANDSCAPING.
SO IT CAN BE PLANTED AT A LATER DATE, MORE LIKE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME SOMEWHERE IT'S, THEY CAN BETTER HANDLE IT.
UM, BUT AT MATURITY, THE, IT SHOULD ADEQUATELY BUFFER, UM, THE, UH, THE SCREENING FROM IT.
SO, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT, IT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA TO PLANT FOR MATURITY.
AND OUR CODE REFLECTS THAT TOO.
IT'S LIKE YOU PLANT IT FOR WHEN IT'LL BEST SURVIVE.
UM, WHEN, WHEN THE CITY OF KYLE FIRST CREATED ITS LANDSCAPE CODE, IT WAS LIKE A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCH CALIPER TREES.
THOSE ARE MASSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO HEIGHT AND ALL THAT, THEY ALSO ARE MORE LIKELY TO DIE WHEN IT, WHENEVER YOU PLAY THEM REGARDLESS OF THE TIME OF YEAR.
SO I HEAR YOU IT'S, UH, YEAH, IT, IT, IT CAN BE, WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR GROWTH IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING BUFFER.
SO AGAIN, WITH THE SEMI PARKING, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THOUGH, IT LOOKS LIKE, DO THEY HAVE DEFINED IN THERE?
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WHAT WOULD BE THE SIZE OF A SEMI ON THAT PAD WHEN YOU DO, I MEAN, DOES A SEMI PROJECT OUT BEYOND THAT PAD? DOES IT FIT ON THAT PAD OR IS IT BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING WHEN IT'S BACKED UP AND LOADING? I'M GOING TO BE HONEST.I DO NOT KNOW THE LENGTH OF A SEMI-TRUCK WITH A CAB, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT PAD IS EITHER.
I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER EITHER, UM, OFFHAND, BUT IT'S STILL THE 35 SIDE.
SO YEAH, THAT'S THE SIDE 35 IS ON.
SO EVEN IF IT IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK THAN THE WALL, WHICH HOPEFULLY IT IS, I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE, UM, IT'S STILL RIGHT THERE ON THE 35 SIDE.
IT IS RECESSED A LITTLE BIT BACK IN THERE.
SO IT'S NOT, I'M HAPPIER THAT IT'S NOT THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING.
SO, AND AS YOU'RE COMING SOUTH, IT'LL BE MOSTLY HIDDEN FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO THINK IT'S THE BEST PLACE THAT THEY CAN, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THAT CORNER.
UM, JUST IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTHEAST, DIRECTLY FROM THAT CORNER, UH, THAT IS WHERE A STARBUCKS IS RIGHT NOW.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YES.
MR. CHASE, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM EIGHT A AS PRESENTED SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY.
YEAH, I, I, IN NO WAY, WANT TO BE THE GUY WHO SAYS NO TO COSTCO, BECAUSE THAT WILL NOT BE A POPULAR GUY.
AND, AND, UM, AND, AND WITH THE ISSUES WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND IT, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT, THERE'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL THERE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S COSTCO, IF IT'S SOMEONE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THE BACK OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND, AND, AND I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS.
UM, I JUST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY, I SAID MY PIECE ABOUT WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE, UM, THE TRUCK AND THE PARKINGS, BUT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DO SUPPORT THE ADAM.
I HEAR THAT, BUT THERE'S GOING TO ALSO BE RESTAURANTS ALL ALONG THE THERE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN, I 35, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT BAY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A STARBUCKS AND WHATEVER'S NEXT TO STARBUCKS AND ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO SHIELD IT TO FROM 35.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[B.
Consider a request to construct an approximately 4,000 sq.ft. (Torchy's free standing unit and drive thru), an approximately 10,500 sq. ft. (Retail #3 building) and approximately (9,100 sq. ft. (Retail #4 building) for property located at 19100 IH-35 within the I-35 overlay district. (Torchy's, Retail #3 and Retail #4 - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-21-0044)
]ITEM EIGHT B, CONSIDER A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FOOT TORCHY'S FREESTANDING UNIT AND DRIVE THROUGH AND APPROXIMATELY 10,500 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL, NUMBER THREE, BUILDING AND APPROXIMATELY 9,100 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL.NUMBER FOUR, BUILDING FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 9 1 0 0 35 WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
TORCHY'S RETAIL, NUMBER THREE, AND RETAIL NUMBER FOUR, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C U P DASH TWO ONE DASH 0 0 4 4.
MR. ATKINSON, WILKINSON FOR THE RECORD.
SO YOUR PLANTER RIGHT BEFORE YOU HAS STATED, WE HAVE A, UM, A COMBINED, UH, TWO LOTS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, WE HAVE THE TORCHY'S, WHICH IS A FREESTANDING UNIT ON LOT 12, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THERE AS THE RIGHT DASH SQUARE.
AND THEN ON LOT 15, WE HAVE TWO, UH, RETAIL BUILDINGS, THREE AND FOUR, UM, RETAIL, BUT ONLY THREE AND FOUR.
DON'T QUITE, THEY PROBABLY HAVE ELOISE ON THEM LETTERS OF INTENT TO BE FILLED FROM A LEASE HOLDER, BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THERE YET.
SO THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH A DESIGN FROM THE SHELL PERSPECTIVE.
UM, HERE'S A BLOWN UP SITE PLAN OF RETAIL SPACE, THREE AND FOUR.
YOU CAN SEE THE STARBUCKS OVER TO THE RIGHT OR THE LOT FOR IT IN THE MAIN DRIVE GOING IN HERE.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE LIMESTONE, A COMBINATION OF LIMESTONE STUCCO AND CORRUGATE METAL, UM, FOR THE FRONT AND THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION, UH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH HAS LEFT.
WE HAVE A LIMESTONE THERE 65% STUCCO, 30%, UH, CORRUGATED METAL AS WELL.
UM, AND ON THE BACK, WE HAVE A A HUNDRED PERCENT STUCCO.
UM, UH, AND THIS IS FOR BUILDING RETAIL THREE.
UM, IT DOESN'T QUITE SIMILAR, BUT DIFFERENT TO THE COSTCO, OBVIOUSLY IN SCALE AND ARCHITECTURAL TYPE,
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BUT IT DOESN'T QUITE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A 90%, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENT FOR MASONRY.HOWEVER, THE COHESIVE DESIGN OF IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT BETTER.
WE SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID TO ALLOW, UM, METAL PANELING IF IT HAS A COHESIVE DESIGN.
SO I HAVE NEW STAFF HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH RETAIL BILLING, NUMBER THREE, THERE, IT GIVES THEM MORE MODERN LOOK TO IT.
UH, HERE IS A BUILDING NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PAIRED WITH IT ON THE SAME LOT.
UM, THEY HAVE A MIX OF STUCCO, CORRUGATED METAL AND LIMESTONE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SHADE OF LIMESTONE ON THERE, UM, IN THE BACK OF IT AS WELL.
AND HERE WE GOT SOME, SOME PROSPECTIVE USE OF IT.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMBINED AND IT GOT A LITTLE KIND OF A SHARED WALKWAY BETWEEN THEM AS, AS, AS SHOWN ON THERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO IT KIND OF HAS A LITTLE GATHERING AREA.
IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT NICER.
ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF, UM, METAL RAILING FOR THE PERGOLA TYPE SHADE? I DON'T KNOW THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE CASE.
HERE'S ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE YOU HAVE IT.
HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT.
AND THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO LOT 13, WHICH ON THE SITE PLAN IS RESTAURANT 15, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S TORCHY'S, AND THIS, UH, TO THE LEFT IS WHERE STARBUCKS IS ON RESTAURANT SEVEN THERE.
SO YOU COME IN AND THEN YOU GO AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF, AND TO THE RIGHT OF A STARBUCKS, AND THEN YOU'VE TAKEN ANOTHER RIGHT AS YOU CROSS THE LITTLE CREEK THEY'RE LABELED CHANNEL A, AND THIS IS TORCHY'S.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, METAL AND WOOD SIDING.
BUT AGAIN, THE DESIGN IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND IS WHAT SHOULD BE APPROVED.
IT IS DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S VERY UNIQUE AND IT'S, IT'S VERY, ARCHITECTUALLY INTERESTING AND THEY'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND.
UM, AND STAFF HAS NO QUALMS ABOUT WANTING IT AND BEING APPROVED FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT.
HERE'S A, HERE'S A RENDERING OF IT.
HERE'S ALSO THE, A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND SO THAT'S THE ELEVATIONS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A LANDSCAPE SHEET FOR BUILDING THREE AND FOUR, IF Y'ALL WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, IT IS CODE COMPLIANT.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO THERE.
AND THEY GOT THE PASTOR AREA AS WELL.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE TORCHY'S LANDSCAPE SHEET.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN FROM THE, FROM THE WEST SIDE AND YOU GET INTO THE PARKING LOT THERE AND THEY HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH IN THERE THAT ACTUALLY HAS QUITE A BIT OF STALKING CAPABILITY.
UM, AND SO, UH, THESE, THESE PROJECTS ARE COMPLIANT.
UM, THEY, THEY BLOW THE INTENT OUT OF THE WATER FOR THE 35 OVERLAY.
THEY DON'T QUITE MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, THE, WHAT THEY'RE WANTING APPROVED IS EXCEPTIONAL IN MY OPINION.
SO, UM, WE ASK THAT Y'ALL APPROVE BOTH OR ALL THREE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
SO, UH, ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH I LOVE THE DESIGN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MASONRY.
DOES THAT NOT INCLUDE ANY OTHER STONE? LIKE THERE'S LIMESTONE ON IT, RIGHT.
SO SHOULDN'T THAT BE THE PERCENTAGE WISE OR WHATEVER? YEAH.
SO, UM, THE WAY IT READS, IT GIVES A FEW BULLET POINT ITEMS. WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM A MASONRY PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER IT'S LIMESTONE OR A ROCK, GENERALLY BRICK, UH, SPLIT FACE CMU, WHICH IT'S NOT MY PREFERENCE CMU, BUT IT WORKS FOR THE CODE.
I GUESS IT CAN LOOK, IT CAN BE LOOK NICE.
UM, AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT STUCCO WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT IN DETAIL APPLICATIONS ONLY, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE A PERCENTAGE.
SO WE HAVE TO, WHEN STAFF'S TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER, WE'RE LIKE, WELL, GENERALLY WE CONSIDER THAT LIKE AROUND THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS, MAYBE THERE'S A BANDING OF IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, BUT IT DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO GIVE THEM A SPECIFIC METRIC.
HOWEVER, ON THE FLIP SIDE, WHEN AN ARCHITECT GETS ABSOLUTELY CREATIVE,
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IT ALSO GIVES A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO IT, TO WHERE IF WE ARE IN THE END, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN I'M DONE REVIEWING IT, AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YEAH, WE LIKE THAT.OR NO, WE DON'T OR MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT.
THERE'S LIKE A BASE, BUT I THINK THAT I AGREED.
THIS IS WHEN YOU'RE USING HIGHER END MATERIALS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET INTO SORT OF LIKE BRANDING AND YOU'RE HAVING SPECIFIC RETAIL, UM, COME INTO THIS SPACE.
LIKE YOU HAVE TO START LOOKING AT THEIR MATERIALS AS WELL AND CONSIDERATION FROM YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TORCHY'S.
SO BASED ON THE MAP FACING 35 IS THE PICKUP WINDOW.
THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS FACING NORTH THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
IT HAS A TORCHY SIGN ALSO FACING SOUTH, BUT THE ACTUAL SIDE FACING 35 IS THE PICKUP WINDOW.
AND WHILE I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THAT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING SOUTH AND YOU SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.
BUT I COULDN'T THINK OF ANOTHER BUSINESS ON 35 THAT HAS THAT SAME LAYOUT.
DOES ANY OTHER BUSINESS DO THAT? WHERE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS NOT THE SIDE FACING 35? I DON'T THINK THAT'S TYPICAL.
I THINK I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU ON THAT.
I THINK IT'S THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS OF A LOT ITSELF WITH A CHANNEL THERE THAT FORCED TO THE DESIGN.
SO I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW THE INNER WORKINGS OF A PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN A DEVELOPER AND A PERSON WHO'S ABOUT TO PURCHASE PROPERTY, TO DEVELOP IT.
HOWEVER, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DO WORK OUT INTERNALLY.
LIKE IF, IF, IF FOR EXAMPLE, IF TORCHY'S WANTING TO GO THERE, THEY WORK OUT EXACTLY WHERE THEY WANTED TO GO AND COORDINATE WITH THE DEVELOPER AND TORCHY'S, WOULDN'T BE GOING THERE IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE.
IT DOES GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE ACTUAL, UM, THE, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS ACTUALLY AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ROAD IS AND THAT THAT'S FINE.
BUT THE BUILDING ALSO IN THEORY WOULD THEN SHIELD IT FROM 35.
WHICH, WHICH, WHICH MAKES IT WORK ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT IT FOR US TO, TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT USUAL.
JUST UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE YOU DO VOTE, I'M WONDERING IF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, THE, DRIVE-THROUGH JUST GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE RUNWAY TO BE ABLE TO, I HAVEN'T SEEN A TORCHY'S WITH THE DRIVE-THRU PERSONALLY.
SO I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GIVING THEMSELVES A LITTLE BIT MORE RUNWAY WHERE IF YOU GO TO SOME OF THE OTHER RETAILERS, IT'S, IT'S A VERY SHORT THROUGH AREA.
DRIVE THROUGHS ARE VERY TRICKY.
I MEAN, WITH THE AMOUNT OF ROOM THAT YOU NEED AND JUST EVERYTHING.
IT IS A QUESTION THAT COMES UP A LOT WHENEVER WE'RE HAVING WHAT WE CALL PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS WITH STAFF AND DEVELOPERS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH, WE DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM STACKING METRIC IN THE LANE.
UM, AND SO IT'S A, IT'S A FUN CONVERSATION GOING BACK AND FORTH SOMETIMES WE'RE LIKE, WELL, YEAH, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
TECHNICALLY FROM A STACKING PERSPECTIVE, HOWEVER, DO TRY TO DESIGN YOUR PROJECT WHERE THERE'S SUFFICIENT ROOM TO.
SO YOU'RE NOT OUT INTO THE DRIVE AISLE OR ONTO THE STREET.
UM, I USED TO WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT HAD ISSUES WITH THAT.
SO RAKE RECENTLY, BUT, AND THEY, THEY, THEY WERE AS EFFICIENT AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD BE WHEN IT CAME TO GETTING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET.
SO I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION FROM THE DRIVE-THROUGH PERSPECTIVE.
AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND YES, BASED ON THE LOT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROBABLY LAYOUT DOES MAKE THE MOST SENSE OUT OF ANY THAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE, BUT WHAT WE ARE THEN APPROVING TO, OR SUGGESTING TO THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE WOULD THEN BE THE FIRST BUILDING LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, RIGHT ON 35 TURNED TO THE OTHER WAY INSTEAD OF TURNED TOWARDS 35.
SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, BUT, UH, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR, I MO I MOVE THAT.
WE APPROVE ITEM EIGHT, B AS WRITTEN.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
MY SECOND, IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY VICE CHAIRMAN CALL ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[C.
Consider a comprehensive plan amendment to amend approximately 535 acres of land from ‘Farm District’ to ‘East FM 150 Employment District’ and 42 acres of land to the ‘Regional Node’ for certain parcels located northwest of the intersection of SH-21 and E FM 150. (City of Kyle)
- Public Hearing (Second of Two Public Hearings)
- Recommendation to City Council
UH, CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO AMEND APPROXIMATELY 535 ACRES OF LAND FROM FARM DISTRICT TO EAST FM, ONE 50 EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT AND 42 ACRES OF LAND.
SO THE REGIONAL NODE FOR CERTAIN PARCELS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SH
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21 AND EAST FM, ONE 50 CITY OF KYLE.UM, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS ON AN OPEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
NOW THING NOT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
SO YOU'RE POINTING FOR THE RECORD, UH, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, TO CREATE EIGHT, THE EAST FMA F-150 EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT AND AMEND AND EXPAND THE REGIONAL NODE LAND USE DISTRICT IN THE VICINITY OF SH 21 AND EAST F150, ESSENTIALLY THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF OUR CITY.
UM, AS Y'ALL PRETTY MUCH KNOW, UM, BUT I'LL GO OVER ANYWAY.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE FOUNDATION OF HOW WE DEVELOP IN THE, WITHIN OUR CITY AND PROVIDES A GUIDING DOCUMENT TO SHOW WHERE CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT TO SEE.
UM, AND IT'S A HUGE FACTOR IN HOW WE PRESENT OUR ZONING CASES WHENEVER THEY COME FORWARD TO Y'ALL.
UM, AND EVEN BEFORE WE EVEN BRING IT TO EIGHT TO Y'ALL IN A PUBLIC SETTING, WE HAVE MEETINGS LEFT AND RIGHT WITH DEVELOPERS.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO TELL THEM NO, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SOMETIMES WE CREATE NEW DISTRICTS, BUT IT'S IT ALL STEMS AND STARTS AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND, UM, IT REQUIRES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN ONE AT CITY COUNCIL AS WELL TO BE HEARD.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD OUR FIRST ONE, IT WAS SIMPLY A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN AS WAS APPROPRIATE AND PER OUR CODE AND CHARTER.
AND THEN IN THE SUMMER, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME Y'ALL ARE GONNA GET A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT.
SO THIS IDEA CAME ABOUT AMONGST STAFF AS A WAY TO, HOW DO I PUT THIS CITY COUNCIL WHEN I BROUGHT FORWARD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BACK IN OCTOBER OF 21 TO ASK IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER ALLOWING A WAREHOUSE AND CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING BACK ON IN A CONDITIONAL MANNER, NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDED, BUT IN SOME PLACES IT WOULD BE FINE.
THEY FLAT OUT SAID NO WITH ONE EXCEPTION AND THE VOTE WAS SIX TO ONE AGAINST IT.
SO WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHERE THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE, UM, LARGE SCALE WAREHOUSING AND CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING, OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THAT'S OUR, WHAT WE CALL CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING STEMMING FROM THAT CONVERSATION INTERNALLY.
UM, THE IDEA WAS CREATED THAT WE SHOULD STILL ALLOW IT IN, UH, IN WHAT WE MIGHT DEEM AN APPROPRIATE AREA OF THE CITY.
AND SO DISCUSSIONS, UM, WHERE WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WHERE IS THAT? WELL, CERTAINLY NOT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY, UP IN THE HILL COUNTRY.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THE TERRAIN DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL.
THE, THE VERY HILL COUNTRY NATURE OF IT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL.
UM, LARGE-SCALE INDUSTRIAL USERS AND WAREHOUSING.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FLAT TERRAIN, UM, DIRT, THAT'S EASY TO MOVE AND, AND FORM TO WHAT THEY NEED FROM A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE AND STUFF.
UH, THEY NEED LARGE TRACKS OF LAND.
THEY NEED LARGE, UM, TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE OR ALMOST IMMINENT.
AND, UM, THE LAST COMPONENT IS THAT THE NEED WASTEWATER, TO SOME EXTENT, SOMETIMES THE WASTEWATER DOESN'T USAGE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S LIKE LOGISTICS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE DEAL, BUT, AND AS WE WERE LOOKING AT IT FROM THOSE METRICS, THE, THIS AREA OF THE CITY, WHICH HAS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED DOWN HERE AT THIS END, KIND OF MATCHED MOST OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND IT SEEMED THE BEST FIT FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE FROM AN THE GROUND GEOGRAPHY ASPECT.
UM, AND SO WE BROUGHT IT TO, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
UM, AND SO NOW WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD.
UM, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF STAFF THERE WASN'T A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM STAFF THERE.
WE KIND OF, WE TRIED TO VET IT, FED IT UP, OR WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE OKAY WITH THE IDEA, UM, OF PUTTING THIS ON EAST F-150 BECAUSE ALLOWING THIS WILL, WITHOUT QUESTION CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF HOW EAST F-150 OPERATES AND HOW THE FEEL OF IT AS YOU'RE COMING INTO THAT PORTION OF THE CITY OFF OF HIGHWAY 21, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE, SO WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT FACT THAT IT'S GONNA COMPLETELY CHANGE THINGS.
UM, BUT FROM A, FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, IT MOSTLY WORKS.
UM, CAUSE WE STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO EMPLOY PEOPLE AND HAVE THOSE, UM, INDUSTRIAL USERS, THOSE MANUFACTURERS, THE LOGISTICS, AND WHAT HAVE YOU AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, THIS, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD.
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WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND THE REGIONAL NODE, TO BRING A SOUTH ONTO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION.WE HAVE A ZONING CASE THAT'S BEEN WAITING FOR SOME TIME AND THEY WERE WAITING ON US TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEN THERE WERE SOME DELAYS FROM COUNCIL IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH COUNT WITH CODE AMENDMENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THAT'S THE WAY HE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, UM, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ON IT.
UM, THE, THE REGIONAL NODE WILL BE ABOUT 42 ACRES AND THE REST OF IT'S ABOUT 535 ACRES WITH A PRIMARY FOCUS ON CONSTRUCTION, MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSING, BUT IT WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR, UM, OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL, WHICH IS OUR OFFICE TOWERS ZONING, AND, UH, ALSO, UH, RETAIL SERVICES.
WE DID, WE, WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PIGEONHOLE IT FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE WANTED TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
UM, THE CHARACTER AREA THAT I DRAFTED AND THE INTENT OF IT ALSO PRETTY MUCH MATCHES THAT FROM WHAT I'VE JUST EXPLAINED, I'LL THROW THEM UP UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, YOUR VIEW OF THE ORDINANCE HERE.
SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY THE AREA IS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT PIXELATED THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE END IS GOING TO BE A LARGE AREA.
NOW SOME OF IT IS FLOOD PLAIN AND THEY'LL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS APPROVED, UM, BUT THE AREA IN TAN AT THE INTERSECTION IS THE REGIONAL NODE.
AND IN THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE 535 ACRES APPROXIMATELY.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BITS OF IT TAKEN OUT UP IN THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF IT.
THERE'S A CHURCH THERE, A COUPLE OF HOUSES AND THEN THERE'S THIS MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RIGHT THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO SITE DEVELOPMENT, PERMITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFERING.
SO IT IS A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT TYPE THOUGH.
UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY, UM, PRESENTATION.
UM, I DO KNOW WE HAVE, UH, AN OP A PROTEST OPPOSITION.
UM, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD, UM, RELATED TO THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT UP THERE, UH, AND IT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
UM, THE BIGGEST THING IS THEY ARE MENTIONING THAT, UM, COUNTY LINE SUD ACTUALLY HAS A CCN HERE ON THIS SITE OR ON, IN THIS 535 ACRES, UM, FROM THE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.
THEY HAD APPROACH THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION TO SAY, YEAH, WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THIS AREA.
UH, BUT IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION REDUCED THAT BOUNDARY ACTUALLY.
AND I HAVE A DOCUMENT SHOWING THAT, UM, I PROBABLY SHOULD'VE PUT IT IN BACK OF MATERIAL, BUT I DO HAVE IT.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT THE, THIS AREA IS PRETTY MUCH IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE A CCN.
SO STAFF IS BEGINNING DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY ON HOW TO EVENTUALLY SERVE US FROM A WASTEWATER PERSPECTIVE.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE RIPE YET FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE THE FOUNDATION IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE OFF OF THAT AND START BUILDING ON TOP OF THAT.
SO, UM, DID Y'ALL WANT TO READ THE OPPOSITION INTO THE RECORD AT ALL WHEN YOU SAY READ IT? UM, W IT'S A BIT OF A BOOK.
WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU? I KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY JUST THAT YOU PRESENTED IT AND WE CAN SOMEHOW ATTACH IT TO THE RECORD.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER OPPOSITION FROM NEIGHBORS FROM THE CHURCH, FROM HAYES SCHOOL FROM, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT WE, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'VE SEEN I BELIEVE IS RIGHT.
AND THEY ARE AWARE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AS IT FOCUSES ON A LARGE SWATH OF A CITY DOES NOT REQUIRE INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNER NOTIFICATION.
UM, BUT IT IS PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
SO WE DO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFORMATION DOES GET OUT THERE.
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AND THIS WAS FARM LANDSCAPE BEFORE THAT.UM, THIS IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL AREA OF KYLE THAT HAS A LOT OF, UM, UH, HIGHER NEEDS, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT IS GOING TO GO EXACTLY IF IT BECOMES INDUSTRIAL IN THIS AREA, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THOSE LARGER SCALE, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 200,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING OVER THE, IN HAYES COMMERCE CENTER.
THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, OR THE MAJESTIC PROPERTY THAT'S CATTY-CORNER FROM EBO.
UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, WE'RE SEEING AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF MARKET PRESSURE FOR RIGHT NOW.
AND IN TERMS OF, UH, COMPANIES WANTING TO PROVIDE FACILITIES FOR OUR WORKFORCE AND EMPLOY PEOPLE.
SO, SO FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA, MOSTLY COMING IN, OR, UH, A COMBINATION, UM, PEOPLE MIGHT COMMUTE HERE, UH, BUT ALSO, UM, AS RESIDENCES GET BUILT OR PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING HERE, THEY CAN, THEY CAN LIVE HERE IN TOWN AND ALSO, UH, WORK WITHIN, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
UM, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PUT ANY FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE SPECIFIC BLUE AREA TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE.
WELL, JUST, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS THOUGH, IS, IS THAT WHERE WATER STONE IS WATERSTONE THE NAME OF IT? THE, THE, THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR ETJ, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY BUILT YET.
THE, UM, UH, A PORTION OF IT WILL BE, UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A HUGE, I'LL SAY, I'LL SAY HUGE FULL PLAN.
THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN THAT KIND OF COMES IN ACROSS AT AN ANGLE ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF THE BLUE RIGHT HERE THAT RENDERS A LOT OF THAT.
SO FROM A, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH FROM A BUILDING MASSING PERSPECTIVE AND SCALE, BUT FROM A ACTUAL LEGITIMATE GEOGRAPHIC BUFFER, THERE WILL BE SOME OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT FLAT OUT, NOT GOING TO BUILD IN A FLOOD PLAIN.
AND, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO IT WAS.
UM, BUT OUR COMMISSION MADE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ONE DAY GO TO COUNCIL.
I WANT TO SAY THAT WAS IN 2020, AND THEY NEVER MADE IT.
AND WE WENT OVER THIS AREA AND WE HAD PLANS FOR THIS AREA.
IS THERE A REASON THAT WE'RE GOING WITH THIS INSTEAD OF THE PLANS THAT WE MADE BACK THEN THAT NEVER ACTUALLY CAME TO FRUITION? SO I REMEMBER THERE BEING, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME FOR IT, BUT IT HAD MORE OF A, AN EMPLOYMENT PERSPECTIVE, LIKE OFFICES, RETAIL, HIGHER DENSITY, LIVING THAT KIND OF STUFF LIKE THAT DOWN AT THIS END.
UM, IT HAD STARTED MOVING FORWARD.
WE HAD ALL THIS DISCUSSION AND WE VETTED IT.
WE LOOKED AT IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I WAS NOT PARTY TO WHAT WAS, UM, TALKED ABOUT ABOVE ME AT THAT POINT, BUT I DO KNOW COUNCIL, UM, ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT DO THEY DIDN'T WANT IT TO MOVE FORWARD.
IT WAS DECIDED THAT THAT SPECIFICALLY IT WAS NOT MOVING FORWARD.
AND, UM, I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
I HAVE TO, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS POINT.
UM, IT, IT, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
IT IS A BIT DISAPPOINTING TO FIND OUT THIS WAY, BECAUSE THE LAST I HEARD IT WAS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS THING, BUT NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING INSTEAD, WHAT, BUT IT, ISN'T MY POINT, I GUESS IT'S LEADING TO MY QUESTION THOUGH, ABOUT THE REGIONAL NOTE ITSELF.
ONE THING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER CHANGES, WE REALLY WANTED TO CAPITALIZE ON EVERYTHING RIGHT ON 21.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF LIKE HOW 35 HAS A LONG GATED NODE DOING THE SAME THING HERE.
WHY IS THE REGIONAL NODE THE WAY IT IS IN THIS MAP? THAT IS A MUCH EASIER ANSWER TO EXPLAIN.
SO ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT LITTLE WEDGE, IF YOU WILL, YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS WHERE, UM, THE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME OF THE COMPANY, BUT
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IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE JDS MARKET WANTED TO COME IN AND DO THE COMPREHENSIVE POINT AMENDMENT.AND THAT'S THE AREA THEY NEEDED FROM AN ACREAGE PERSPECTIVE AND THE REQUEST.
AND THEN THEY WANTED THE REST OF IT, UM, TO BE RESIDENTIAL RELATED.
I BELIEVE IF MEMORY IS A NEW, NEW SETTLEMENT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
UM, AND THAT, THAT MATCHED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THAT TIME, THAT THERE WAS THE MOST DEAL, THE, THE MOST ACCURATE WAY OF PUTTING IT FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN THE, UM, THE STUFF TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S SOMEONE WHO OWNS NOT THE HARD CORNER WHERE THE GAS STATION IS, BUT THEY OWN THE LOT.
AND JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN WAITING ON A AMENDMENT FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE TO CHANGE BECAUSE THAT PART WAS STILL THE FARM LANDSCAPE.
SO IF WE WERE MOVING FORWARD AT THIS ANYWAY, WE HAD DIRECTION INTERNALLY TO DO THIS.
THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
SO THEY CAN START MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR ZONING AS WELL.
AND THAT MATCHES THE 1500 RADIO DISTANCE ISH GIVE OR TAKE A FEW FEET, I GUESS, OF THE, OF THE REGIONAL NODE REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT HAS A WEIRD POLYGON LOOK TO IT.
THAT'S THE REASON, UM, NOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO INCREASE OR TAKE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FRONTAGE ALONG HIGHWAY 21 AS RETAIL OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT A REGIONAL NODE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE, A BIG ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE LIKE THE PAD SITES ALONG THERE.
UM, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS, UM, THE EAST F-150 EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT ALSO DOES CONSIDER HAVING RETAIL OR OFFICE ALREADY IN IT, SO THAT YOU COULD CAPITALIZE ALONG 21 PAD SITES FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE.
SO, SO I THINK IT'S FROM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CREATION OF THE COMP OF THIS DISTRICT, THAT IT STILL WORKS.
UH, AND, AND PERSONALLY I'M OKAY WITH THE CHANGE BECAUSE, BECAUSE BEFORE WHY I PUSHED SO HARD FOR IT TO BE REGIONAL NO, THE ENTIRE WAY DOWN.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF KYLE ON 21.
AND THE ONE AREA WE DID HAVE, I DIDN'T WANT A SUBDIVISION OR SOMETHING TO GO RIGHT IN ON OUR ONE SMALL AREA.
WE HAVE A 21, BUT HERE, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE WAREHOUSE MANUFACTURING SOMETHING INSTEAD.
AND, AND, AND I KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA OF THEM HAVING ACCESS FROM 21 INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GET ACCESS FROM, UM, FROM 1 58.
SO I I'M OKAY WITH THAT CHANGE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE ELSE IS, BUT, BUT, UH, JUST, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT FOR, WITH THE OLD PLAN, THAT'S WHY I WANTED THE REGIONAL NOTE TO BE AS BIG AS IT IS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, MA'AM.
THIS IS JUST, I THOUGHT WHEN I WAS READING THINGS ABOUT OUR COMP PLAN THAT WE WANTED TO KIND OF GRADUATE FROM IN NEARBY.
SO I'M SEEING HEAVY INDUSTRY, WHICH I'M A PRIMARY JOB GIRL.
I'VE DONE THIS FOR A LIVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MY WHOLE CAREER.
SO, SO I SEE THIS AND I GET REALLY EXCITED.
THEN I LOOK OVER HERE AT THIS LITTLE SUBDIVISION THAT'S ALREADY HERE OF HOUSES AND I'M THINKING, WELL, THAT'S A SUBDIVISION THAT THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE IN A MORE SCALED ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEN THIS MASSIVE INDUSTRIAL SCALE, VERY NEARBY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO KIND OF INTEGRATE THIS INTO THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT THE FUTURE IS FOR THIS SURROUNDING PROPERTY THAT IT'S NOT THIS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN THESE RESIDENCES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.
UM, AND IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK THEY, UH, THE SUBDIVISION YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THAT'S IN THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE, OH, THAT'S IN THE FARM LANDSCAPE, PRIMARILY THAT IS A, IT'S A SUBDIVISION THAT DOESN'T HAVE SEWER.
UM, THEY'RE ALL ON ACRE PLUS LOTS.
THEY HAVE SEPTIC, WHICH IS WHY THAT SCALE IS VERY RURAL IN NATURE.
UM, THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY IN BETWEEN, UM, AS ONCE, YOU KNOW, WE START PROCESSING AN IDEA AND ACTUALLY GETTING IT ON THE GROUND IN PLANS FOR, FOR WASTEWATER SERVICE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE ALL THIS, THEN WE CAN ALSO MAYBE THROW IN SOME SCALING DOWN OF A RESIDENTIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE, UM, SOME HIGHER DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY TYPE OR SIMILAR USES,
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UM, ADJACENT TO THE INDUSTRIAL, UM, SCALING DOWN TO TOWNHOMES AND THEN TO SEE HIGHER DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AND GETTING DOWN TO THERE EXACTLY WHAT SORT OF DISTANCE WE NEED IS KIND OF UP IN THE AIR TO DO THAT LIKE A LINEAR DISTANCE.UM, BUT THE IDEA IS, IS, IS A RELATIVELY SOUND IDEA FROM, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF LINEAR DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S CERTAIN.
SO, UM, WHATEVER DEVELOPS BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND NEEDS TO BE DONE CORRECTLY, WITHOUT A DOUBT.
AND ALSO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN BUFFER THIS WITH LANDSCAPING.
I'M LIKE, HOW BIG, HOW BIG, SO YEAH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SOFTEN THIS BECAUSE OF COURSE ON MY WAY HERE I DRIVE BY OUR OWN INDUSTRIAL.
AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO HOW YOU SOFTEN THAT THEY ARE A DIFFERENT, ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT SCALE.
OF COURSE, UM, ARCHITECTURALLY, WE'RE GOING TO RE YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU SEE EXAMPLES RIGHT THERE OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF ARTICULATIONS WHEN HAVE YOU.
WE DON'T WANT JUST TO SEE, UH, A BLANK WALL ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, SO THAT'LL HELP TO SOME EXTENT TO BREAK UP THE MASS TO SOME EXTENT, BUT IT'S STILL A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING OR WAREHOUSING.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I DO THINK IT IS CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE TO ACCOUNT FOR, UM, UH, SCALING UP AND DOWN AS APPROPRIATE FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT OR BUFFERING, OR MAYBE EVEN TO SOME EXTENT, A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL RELATED ITEMS TOO.
SO, UM, WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION, UM, IF Y'ALL WANT TO MAKE IT SOMETHING OFFICIAL, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO AS A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, BUT WE CAN ALSO ASK THE QUESTION.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, THIS BUTTS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SCHOOL, RIGHT THERE, THERE IS NO BUFFER, IT BUMPS UP AGAIN.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THERE, THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH SPACE AT ALL.
AND I KNOW I SHOOK MY HEAD AND I APOLOGIZE WHEN HE ASKED FOR MORE QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, TRAFFIC, UM, PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE WAS ONE 50.
IT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECT PATH TO THIS LOCATION.
21 IS AVAILABLE TO GET OUT, BUT TO GET IN, UM, WHEN YOU'RE COMING SOUTH IS ONE 50.
SO, UM, I COULD SEE THAT AS A CONCERN TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, YEAH, I THINK I AGREE THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, I THINK MORE CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE THERE, UM, RATHER THAN, UH, A BUNCH OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, UM, RIGHT ON THIS LOCATION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT HEAVY FOR RIGHT THERE.
UM, BUT I DO LIKE THAT THE, THE JD MARKET IDEA, UM, I LIKE THE REGIONAL, NO KIDDING.
I FEEL A HUNDRED PERCENT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AT THIS POINT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? YES.
UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHAISE.
IS THERE A SECOND? CAN WE SEPARATE THE REGIONAL NODE FROM THE OTHER? OH, HOLD ON.
WE HAVE TO EITHER DECIDE TO SECOND OR NOT, AND THEN WE DISCUSS IT AFTERWARDS.
THE SECOND THAT MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE SECONDED BY, UM, MYSELF.
NOW, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION PLEASE? SO CAN WE SEPARATE THE DISC, THE REGIONAL NODE FROM THE REST OF IT? DO IT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ONE MOTION? ONE? YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A, UM, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION AND CAN AGREE TO THE AMENDMENT.
WHAT MY, MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR IDEA BEHIND OR THE REASONING BEHIND SEPARATING, SEPARATING OUT THE REGION? OH, YOU MEAN FROM THE VOTE, FROM CREATING THE DISTRICT AND APPROVING THE REGIONAL NODE RECOMMENDATION.
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PROVING THE REGIONAL NODE, BUT NOT APPROVING THE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THE ONE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE REGIONAL NODE.I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE OTHER.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON ONE AND THEN MAYBE MAKE CONDITIONS, OR I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW I'M NEW, SO I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF, THAT'S WHY THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND.
YOU CANNOT, YOU CAN MOTION TO MOOT, MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION, UM, IF YOU CHOOSE.
BUT, UH, TH THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, YOU COULD, IF YOU DID THAT, WE WOULD THEN HAVE A SECOND.
IF SOMEONE SECONDED, WE WOULD DISCUSS THAT AND THEN EITHER YAY OR NAY ON THAT, THEN WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, DEPENDING ON IF WE VOTED FOR THAT OR NOT, OR I CAN AMEND MY MOTION.
I THINK I WOULD YOU CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION THAT WE SEPARATE THE REGIONAL NODE? SO THERE'S TWO VOTES IN TWO, TWO DISCUSSION.
SO I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO ITEM H C UH, TO AMEND, HOW DO I SPLIT THIS HERE? UM, WHY DON'T WE TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME? WHY DON'T I MAKE A MOTION ON THE FIRST ONE? AND WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, AND THEN SOMEONE CAN MAKE A, OKAY.
SO YOU WOULD RESCIND YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION.
THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT.
AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE, WANT TO MAKE YOUR FIRST MOTION.
WE CAN MAKE A SECOND MOTION AFTER THAT.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT TO, UH, TO A MAN APPROXIMATELY THE 42 ACRES OF LAND TO THE REGIONAL NODE FOR CERTAIN PARCELS LOCATED IN NORTHWEST OR THE INTERSECTION OF SH 21 AND EAST FM, ONE 50 CITY OF KYLE SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED TO APPROVE THE 42 ACRES FOR THE REGIONAL NODE BY COMMISSIONER CHE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I THINK THAT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS OVER HERE, UM, ANY SORT OF CHANGE REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE, UM, COMMUNITY INPUT.
UM, HOWEVER, THAT IS POSSIBLE.
I KNOW THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO INFORM, NO, THEY DID THIS, THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO THOSE OPPOSED, OR THAT WANTED TO PROVIDE INPUT, HAD THE ABILITY TO, YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LIKE GO DOWN THERE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH OR SOMETHING AND HOLD LIKE A, LIKE WE WERE GOING TO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL THE CHANGES ARE GOING TO MAKE, LIKE HAVING CHARRETTES AND, UM, DOING ALL THAT ONLINE AND STUFF BEFORE WE CAN MAKE.
I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM THE, FROM THE SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY FROM HAYES.
UM, YEAH, WE DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM THEM.
WE, WE, WHEN WE DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY ALL THE PUBLIC ENTITIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, WE PUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
I AM ABSOLUTELY MAKING A MISSTATEMENT THERE.
UM, IF WE UNLIKE A ZONING, SO IF A ZONING, WE WOULD NOTIFY ALL THE PUBLIC ENTITIES, UM, AND THEN ALL THE AFFECTED LANDOWNERS, BUT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS BECAUSE THEY ARE A LARGER SCALE.
IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, WE DON'T NOTIFY EVERY SINGLE OWNER NOW.
WELL, THIS FROM AN ACREAGE STANDPOINT IS A LARGE SCALE AMENDMENT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, UH, THE LEVEL OF THAT LOCAL NOTE OR THE REGIONAL NO DOWN THERE ON THE HARD CORNER, FROM A CITY-WIDE PERSPECTIVE, IT IS ANCHORAGE WISE, GEOGRAPHICALLY.
IT IS A RELATIVELY MINOR AMENDMENT.
SO FROM A MASSING OF RESOURCES OF SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HONESTLY DOES NOT HAVE AT THIS TIME, UM, WHERE WE'D HAVE TO HIRE A THIRD, A THIRD HIRE OUT A THIRD PARTY TO DO SO WITH A CITY-WIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, AND HAVE TO BUDGET FOR IT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FROM A RESOURCES STANDPOINT TO GO OUT THERE AND, AND OFFICIALLY HAVE DIALOGUE WITH EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
IT'S JUST THAT STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES THAT ARE NOT, THAT ARE NON-EXISTENT AT THIS TIME.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY MINOR, COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS WANT TO GO
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OUT THERE AND DO THAT, BUT FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE.SO I'M, I'M, I'M A BIT CONCERNED WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING, BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE THAT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS TO APPROVE A REGIONAL NODE AT THIS CORNER, BASICALLY OF 1 50, 21, IF WE APPROVE THAT AND NOT THE OTHER PART.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT FOR STAFF TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND TELL THEM THAT PLANNING AND ZONING WANTS A REGIONAL NODE HERE, BUT THEY DO NOT WANT ANYTHING ELSE TO CHANGE.
THEY DON'T WANT THIS OTHER CHANGE.
UH, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TELLING THEM TO SAY.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GET MY PERSONAL VIEWS.
UM, I'M AFRAID OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF W IF, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH THIS AREA, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS CONSIDERED IT'S FARM LANDSCAPE, CORRECT.
TH TH TH THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE, UM, YES.
FARM LANDSCAPE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REMAINING ANCHORAGE ON THE JD SITE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER A FARM ACREAGE WHAT'S RECOMMENDED WHAT'S NOT, BUT, UH, UH, A SINGLE, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION WOULD FALL INTO THAT PARAMETER.
SO HALF ACRE, ONE ACRE, LOTS, UM, VERY LIMITED RETAIL.
LIKE, I THINK IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS NO MORE THAN ONE ACRE AND IT'S IT'S RIGHT.
AND, AND, AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT, I MEAN, WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN BEFORE ON WHAT TO DO IN THIS AREA, AND THAT SEEMS TO HAVE NOT PANNED OUT.
UM, THIS IS A NEW PLAN I'M AFRAID OF NOT HAVING A PLAN OF, OF LEAVING IT AS IT IS.
THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY A MAJOR AREA OF KYLE, BUT KYLE IS GROWING, AND THIS IS ONE OF OUR, THIS IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR ACCESS POINTS TO OUR CITY.
21 WILL CONTINUE TO GROW, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST LIKE THAT ONE SUBDIVISION THERE WITH THE ACRE LOTS, WE COULD HAVE MORE OF THOSE IN THIS AREA AND IS THAT WHAT WE WANT IN THIS AREA? AND SO, UM, I AM CONCERNED OF WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO NOT HAVE THIS.
WHAT WOULD WE HAVE INSTEAD IS THE QUESTION, UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, BUT AGAIN, I'M SORRY, THIS MOTION IS ON THE REGIONAL NODE AND I AM IN FAVOR OF THE REGIONAL NODE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE REGIONAL NODE, I'M SORRY, I GOTTA STOP YOU.
YOU DID HAVE A COMMENT OF POSSIBLY EXPANDING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN 21 IS THAT POTENTIAL, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE 535 ACRES COULD ALREADY ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN WHAT'S FROM THE EXPECTED LAND USE OR THE EXPECTED ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN IT, THE RETAIL SERVICES PRIMARILY, UM, OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL AS WELL.
UM, THOSE ARE PROBABLY, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH AT A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT YOU'RE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, MAKING THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA WATCH YOUR OFFICES.
AND IF ANY COMMERCIAL PAD SITES FROM THE INDIVIDUAL SMALL SCALE ONES UP LINING THE ROAD ANYWAY, UM, WITH THE LARGER SCALE WAREHOUSES ENLIGHTENED ESTRIOL BACK BEHIND IT.
SO THE BLUE CAN ALREADY ACCOUNT FOR THAT FOR BOTH FLUNKING 21.
AND ALSO FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF GOING UP ONE 50 AS WELL.
SO IT'S KEEPING THE, I'M OBVIOUSLY PROPONENT FOR THE 535 ACRES.
THAT'S WITHOUT QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT, I THINK IT STILL WORKS APPROPRIATELY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF IT ADJACENT TO THE REGIONAL NODE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE REGIONAL NOTE, A MOTION FOR THE REGIONAL NODE? OKAY.
UM, FOR THE MOTION FOR THE REGIONAL NODE, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
UH, DID YOU WISH TO BRING A, ANOTHER MOTION? YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE SECOND MOTION.
UM, CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO A APPROXIMATELY 535 ACRES OF LAND FROM A FARM DISTRICT TO EAST FM ONE-FIFTY
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EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT.IT HAS BEEN MOVED, UH, BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
UH, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED BY PRINTER, CHASE SECONDED BY MYSELF.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? YES.
UM, I GUESS I'M JUST GOING TO VOICE MY CONCERNS AGAIN, IF THE, HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE SCHOOL, UM, POTENTIAL FOR TRAFFIC OUT THERE.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT SOMETHING? THERE IS ONE ACRE HOMES, HOMES ON ONE ACRE, LOTS OR HALF ACRE, LOTS WORSE THAN LARGE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.
I DON'T THINK IT IS PERSONALLY.
UM, I JUST DON'T, YOU'RE BOXING YOURSELF IN HERE BECAUSE YOU, ONCE YOU HAVE THIS INDUSTRIAL ZONE, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH WIPE OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT A NICE BIG CIRCLE AROUND THAT THING.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF, OF HOUSING POSSIBLY MIXED USE.
SO I SHOULDN'T SAY ANY TYPE OF HOUSING.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FOLKS AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO LIVE AND OWN A HOME RIGHT NEXT TO, TO SOMETHING THERE.
THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT OWN, THOSE LOTS IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME AND VOICE THEIR OPINIONS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO BE THEIR VOICE.
UH, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
UH, JUST IN MY POSITION, I LOOK AT THIS AND, AND I SEE A LARGE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX RIGHT NEXT TO A SCHOOL.
AND THAT, THAT GIVES ME, UH, SOME CONCERNS IF THE SPACE WAS THERE TO DO WHAT WE DISCUSSED AND, AND BE ABLE TO PUSH IT BACK AND ADD SOME RESIDENTIAL SCALING, MAYBE SOME COMMERCIAL SCALING.
I JUST DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT BUFFER THERE, NOT WHERE IT WILL MAKE SENSE FOR A DEVELOPER.
I DON'T SEE THAT BUFFER THERE.
DO YOU NOT SEE IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S ROOM THERE TO AMEND AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT? OR DO YOU NOT SEE IT? BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT REALLY.
I JUST DON'T SEE THE ROOM AND IT STILL DOESN'T SOLVE THE, THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS OF, OF HAVING TRUCKS COMING DOWN ONE 50.
THEY'RE GOING TO, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SAY THEY'RE NOT, WE WE'VE GOT TO BE REALISTIC HERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME DOWN ONE 50.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF TRUCKS DRIVING IN FRONT OF, UH, TWO SCHOOLS, A MIDDLE SCHOOL AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THAT SUBDIVISION IS WHERE ALL THOSE KIDS LIVE WITH.
UM, YEAH, I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS A, AS A GOOD SPOT FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF LAND USE.
YOU WANT TO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HIGHWAY 21 AND ALSO THE FUTURE OF THE REALIGNMENT OF ONE 50 THAT MAYBE COULD, UM, ALLAY SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, HOW ARE WE, 21 IS EXPECTED TO BE WIDENED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE COMING FUTURE.
THEY'RE DOING A STUDY RIGHT NOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S MULTIPLE PROJECTS UP AND DOWN IN BETWEEN HERE AND BACKDROP MOSTLY BETWEEN, WELL, NO, YEAH.
IT'S BETWEEN HERE AND BASTROP WHERE THEY'VE MADE IT INTO, WHAT'S CALLED A SUPER TWO, WHICH IS WHERE THEY HAVE THE, EVERY SOFTWARE.
THEY HAVE THE THIRD, A PASSING LANE.
UM, IT FLARES OUT TO THREE LANES AND IT GOES BACK TO TWO AS A STOP GAP.
BUT, UM, THERE'S A STUDY GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT HAS HOW TO EFFECTIVELY WIDEN HIGHWAY 21 TO BE, TO EXPAND ITS CAPACITY AS IT'S ALREADY THE DEFACTO SECONDARY I 35.
UM, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CAPACITY TO GO IN NORTH, SOUTH.
UM, BUT THEN THE BYPASS ON ONE 50 COMING IN FROM THE NORTHWEST OF TOWN IS GOING TO GO THROUGH, UH, ESSENTIALLY FLANKING THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BLINK OF RIVER, COME DOWN AND HIT YARRINGTON ROAD AND THEN EFFECTIVELY BYPASS, UM, EAST F-150 GOING SOUTH THROUGH YARRINGTON ROAD AND HIDDEN DOWN THERE.
SO, UM, WHILE WE CAN'T STOP TRUCK TRAFFIC ON EAST 50, THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THAT A LOT OF IT WILL BE REROUTED.
UM, I THINK, UM, AND I THINK, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT ZONING IT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ON A MAP, RIGHT.
IT'S JUST BLUE SQUARES ON A MAP.
UM, SO THIS COULD BE RECONSIDERED AT A LATER TIME.
UM, BUT TO COMMISSIONER GARETH'S POINT, UM, IT, I DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT LAST YEAR, UM, UH, APPROVING THE REGIONAL NODE WITHOUT THE EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT NODE.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AT THE DIOCESE AND WITHOUT HAVING ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND TOOLS,
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UM, THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST GOT HERE, I'M NOT REALLY SURE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ALL OF THIS CAME FROM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL WOULDN'T HAVE BEDDED THIS AND WOULD HAVE PLANNED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TO MAKE SENSE ALL FACTORS CONSIDERED.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU AS IS.
AND SO I WOULD JUST CAUTION APPROVING ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER, WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU AND TO YOUR QUESTION EARLIER IS, UM, IS A WAREHOUSE BUILDING WORSE OR BETTER THAN ? I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE ONE, THE COUNCIL HAS SAID, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE IDEA OF DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR OFF OF 35, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOUTH END TO 35, BUT THE COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT THAT THERE.
SO THE QUESTION IS WHERE NOW TO GET FROM 35, IT'S GOT TO GO OFF OF SOMETHING AND YES, HOPEFULLY 21 WILL BECOME MORE MAJOR AS, AS TIME GOES ON.
BUT ONE 50 WILL BE, AS YOU'VE SAID, USED FOR TRUCKS TO, I LIVE OFF OF EACH ONE 50.
I UNDERSTAND I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, I, BUT AGAIN, WHAT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS US NOT USING THIS AREA AND, UH, JUST LETTING IT BE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, LETTING IT STAY THIS FARM LAND LANDSCAPE WHEN WE SHOULD BE PLANNING FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, AND, AND, AND IF WE DENY THIS NOW AND, AND IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T PASS IT EITHER, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT GAME PLAN THAN AS TO WHAT TO APPROVE HERE.
BUT I THINK, I THINK THE MOST DANGEROUS THING HERE IS JUST TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND NOT ADDRESS IT.
IF WE DON'T WANT THIS, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DO WANT, IF WE'RE, IS THERE A POTENTIAL THAT WE CAN PUT A CONDITION ON IT THAT IT BE SCALED DOWN TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, ON THAT SIDE, TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TOWARDS THE SCHOOL, Y YOU CAN MAKE AN A, OR AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO SCALE IT APPROPRIATELY.
UM, I WOULDN'T PUT TOO MANY SPECIFICS IN IT THAT WAY HE CAN GIVE US A STAFF, UM, SOME FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE SCALING TYPE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND GET THEIR INPUT AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE WRONG IN ASKING THAT QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW, YEAH.
UM, AND THEN, THEN, AND THEN WE'LL BRING, UH, WHAT'S POTENTIALLY A SOLUTION TO COUNCIL, AND THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN TAKE, TAKE THEIR VOTE AS WELL.
AND MAYBE THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING, UM, PHASE, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE COULD GET INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS AND KIND OF FIGURING THAT OUT.
SO I THINK, YEAH, I'VE VAGUE STATEMENT ABOUT, WE WANNA, WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SCHOOL AND IT'S NEXT TO A SUBDIVISION, UH, WE WOULD LIKE APPROPRIATE ATTENTION PAID TOWARD, UM, THOSE EXISTING ELEMENTS AND, UH, WOULD HOPE THAT WE SEE SOME NICE BUFFERING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD, I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
AND I THINK UP AGAINST THE MORE HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I JUST LOOK AT THIS MASSIVE INDUSTRIAL AGAIN, WHICH I'M TOTALLY LOVED SEEING GO UP.
I LOVE SEEING THE CRANES IN THE AIR.
UM, BUT I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS LANDSCAPE.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PLOPPING THIS MASSIVE THING THERE.
AND THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES NEARBY THAT IT WOULD SUDDENLY ARRIVE AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO SEE IT SCALED TO THE AREA APPROPRIATELY.
SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE'VE MADE A MOTION.
DO I ASK FOR AN AMENDED MOTION? UM, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION IF I WERE YOU, I'M NOT SURE WHY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THIS, HOWEVER THAT THE DEVELOPMENT BE SCALED APPROPRIATELY TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
AND IF WE HAVE ANY SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT IT, WE CAN COME BACK AND WATCH THE RECORDING AND LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION AGAIN, SHERIFF, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER TO AMEND THE MOTION SECONDED BY MYSELF.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION UM, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE
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AND, AND I, I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PLAN PROBABLY TO BEGIN WITH JUST, JUST AN IDEA OF HOW, OF, HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK WITH THE AREAS NEARBY.AND, UH, AND I THINK WHEN I GIVE SASSON, WE DIDN'T SEE, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT, BUT THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO GO, IF WE RECOMMEND TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROPER SCALING FROM WHAT'S THERE IN THE FARM LANDSCAPE DISTRICT TO WHAT WILL BE HERE IN THIS NEW DISTRICT.
SO, UM, SO, UH, IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, OKAY.
SO W W UH, WE'RE TAKING A VOTE.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON NOW IS DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO THEN NOT ONLY BE TO APPROVE THIS? I I'M SORRY, THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WHAT WILL BE THEN TO APPROVE THIS WITH THE SCALING? THIS IS JUST CHECKING.
DO WE WANT THE SCALING, IF THE ORIGINAL MOTION GETS PASSED? IS THAT GOOD? OKAY.
UM, SO IT PASSES 3, 2, 1, THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
NOW, THE ORIGINAL MOTION HAS BEEN AMENDED TO, WE ARE W YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THIS 535 ACRES OF LAND FROM FAR DISTRICT TO EAST FM, ONE 50 EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT WITH NOW THE AMENDING OF SCALING IT BASED ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, BASED ON THE AREA THAT'S THERE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? UH, I HAVE A, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY USERS RIGHT NOW LOOKING FOR THIS, WE CONSTANTLY HAVE PEOPLE, UH, APPLYING TO THE STATE LEVEL DOING, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THEIR RFPS OR OUR VICE THANK YOU.
UM, REQUESTING LARGE LAND AREAS, STUFF READY TO GO.
SO WE KNOW THERE'S STUFF THERE.
THERE'S DEVELOPERS WANTING TO DEVELOP.
NOW, WE MAY NOT HAVE, AT LEAST FROM PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THERE MIGHT BE STUFF COMING DOWN, THE PIPELINE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF YET, BUT, UM, THE PLANNING DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC END USER IN MIND AT THIS TIME.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE LANDOWNERS OF ANY OF THEM? I MEAN, YOU HAVE ONE LAND OWNER, UM, THAT OWNS A HUNDRED ACRES.
THAT, THAT IS THE OPPOSITION WITHIN WHAT WE'RE NOW CREATING, OPPOSING DOING THIS.
SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT ONE LANDOWNER THAT'S OPPOSED TO, TO NOT ONLY THIS, BUT PROBABLY ISN'T GONNA SELL THEIR, THEY'RE VERY COURAGE TO, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THIS, UH, USE.
JUST, IS THIS, ARE THERE ANY LANDOWNERS THAT WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IN THIS AREA? WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM.
UH, THIS IS THE ONLY LENDER THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE LANDOWNERS THEMSELVES.
WELL, AT LEAST ONE OF THE LANDOWNERS IS SAYING THEY'RE OPPOSED TO IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, UH, SILENCE IS APPROVAL, BUT, UM, AT LEAST ONE FIFTH OF THE, THE OWNERS OF THIS ACREAGE, AS OPPOSED.
SO NOW THE AREA IN BLUE, THE LAND OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THIS, CORRECT, WE WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS, WE DO NOT NOTIFY SPECIFIC LANDOWNERS.
WE DO NOTICE IT IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WE NOTICE IT ONLINE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A GENERAL LAND PLAN FOR THE AREA, UM, WE DON'T, AND BY LAW, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, UM, NOTIFY THESE SPECIFIC LANDOWNERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHENEVER WE ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT, CAN WE PUT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSE BACK ALONG WE HAD A NOTICE IT IN THE NEWSPAPER TO BRAG IT TO THE COUNCIL TO ASK THE QUESTION, BUT WE DIDN'T NOTIFY ANY OF THE LANDOWNERS ALONG THERE WHENEVER WE DID.
WHAT WERE THEY WHENEVER WE EXPANDED THE LAND USE DISTRICTS FROM THE, WHEN WE, OUR ETJ EXPANDED, WE DIDN'T NOTIFY IT IN THE LANDOWNERS OUT ON THE WEST SIDE OR THE NORTHEAST SIDE.
AND WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE HAD THE PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WE NOTICED IT ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL.
SO SEVEN'S A, AND B UNDER ZONING.
THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLIC NOTICE.
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A SIGN UP ON THE LAND THAT SAYS WE ARE HAVING A HEARING ABOUT THIS REZONING SINCE THIS ISN'T TECHNICALLY, WE'RE NOT WHAT WE ARE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE DOING AN OVERLAY OF THE LAND.
THAT'S SAYING THIS IS AN APPROVED USE.
UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IF A LANDOWNER WAS SELL TO AN END USER THAT WANTS TO CHANGE THE USE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BECOME THEN A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT.
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THE WAY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKS.SO WE LIKE A STATED EARLIER, IT'S A FOUNDATION THAT WE BASE ALL OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OFF OF.
UM, LET'S SAY ONE OF THEM COMES IN, THEY WANT TO DO A LARGE-SCALE WAREHOUSE PROJECT.
WELL, THEN THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN AND SAY, OKAY, CAN YOU DO THAT HERE? AND WITH THIS BEING A FREEBIE WOULD SAY, YES, YOU CAN.
AND THEN WE START HAVING THE CONVERSATION.
SO YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR ZONING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE SPECIFIC ZONING ON EACH INDIVIDUAL A LOT.
THEY'RE STILL MOSTLY AG OR IN SOME CASES, SOME OF THESE ARE STILL IN THE ETJ BECAUSE THEY HAVE NON ANNEXATION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH US UNLESS THEY DEVELOP.
SO THERE'S STILL A FEW OTHER STEPS THEY HAVE TO GET TO, TO GET TO YES.
SO THERE'S STILL THE STILL AFFORDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY CONDITION THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE ILLEGAL FROM THE STATE'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSATIONS AT EACH SUBSEQUENT STEP OF THE PROCESS.
MAYBE THEY HAVE TO BE ANNEXED LIKE, OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? SO THEY START GOING THROUGH THE STEP-BY-STEP ANNEXATION PROCESS.
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THAT WE FIND INTERESTING FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, WE CAN MAYBE TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THEN, THEN THEY GET FIGURED OUT WHAT THE ZONING THEY WANT.
UM, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH WE'RE, IT MEANS WE HAVE TO GET RIGHT AWAY POTENTIALLY FOR F-150 OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER STREETS ON THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR SUBSEQUENT RELATED IMPROVEMENTS, WATER, WASTEWATER ROAD, WIDENING.
UM, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PROCESS, WHERE THEY HAVE THE PARKING RATIOS, THEY HAVE THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A BUFFERING REQUIREMENT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL ALREADY BUILT INTO OUR CODE.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA, THIS IS PART OF THE EAST F-150 OVERLAY WHILE WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES IN HERE, YOU, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL RECEIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS RELATED TO IT, TO WHERE, UM, AND STAFF WILL HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF NEGOTIATING WITH THEM TO GET UP TO A BETTER STANDARD THAN THE MINIMUM THAT'S BUILT INTO OUR CODE.
UM, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE STEP-BY-STEP APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S COMPLIANT AND THEY HAVE TO DO IT IN THE CORRECT MANNER.
UM, THIS, THIS ISN'T, WHILE THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS AHEAD OF TIME FROM A GROUND UP PLANNING EFFORT IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T, WE'RE NOT JUST SHOOTING FROM THE HIP EITHER.
THIS ISN'T THE WILD WILD WEST.
SO, UM, BUT I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[D.
Consider an amendment Chapter 41 (Subdivisions) of the City of Kyle, Code of Ordinances. The following sections will be considered: Sec. 41-1 Definitions (Municipal Utility Easement); Sec. 41-137 Streets, Sec. 41-139 – Crosswalks, Sec. 41-143 Sidewalks & Sec. 41-146 Streetlights, for the purpose of adding requirements for the city-wide trail system.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
THE FOLLOWING SELECTIONS, UH, SECTIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED SECTION 41 DASH ONE, MUNICIPAL UTILITY EASEMENTS, SECTION 41 DASH 1 3 7 STREETS, SECTION 41 DASH 1 3 9, CROSSWALKS SECTION 41 DASH 1 4 3, SIDEWALKS AND SECTION 41 DASH 1 4 6 STREETLIGHTS.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY WIDE TRAIL SYSTEM, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
DOES ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? UM, YOU MAY COME NOW.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
NOW ONTO THE MUCH MORE FUN STUFF.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO, UH, CODE AMENDMENT SECTIONS THAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, UH, THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATION VOTE ON, UH, TO FACILITATE THE FOUNDATIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM.
NOW THE VIVE TRAIL SYSTEM IS A CONCEPT THAT, UM, MR. SELLERS BROUGHT FORWARD TO OUR CITY MANAGER BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE.
AND THEY HAVE CONCEPTUALLY AGREED WHOLEHEARTEDLY ABOUT IT.
THE VIBE IS A TRAIL NETWORK THAT WE ARE GOING TO START IMPLEMENTING WITH THAT ARE CONNECTED VIA VIBE SPOTS.
UH, THE VIBE TRAIL ITSELF IS A 12 FOOT WIDE, UH, SHARED USE PATH.
THAT'S CONCRETE IS GOING TO HAVE DECORATIVE LIGHTING ALONG IT.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE OCCASIONALLY HAVE A CHARGING PORT.
YOU CAN TAKE A GOLF CART ON IT.
UM, YOU CAN NOT TAKE ATVS ON IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO BE SAFE.
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IT'S GOING TO SPAN THE ACROSS THE CITY.UM, SOME OF IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT BY THE CITY OURSELVES WITH, UH, WITH FUNDS, BUT A LARGE PORTION OF IT, A SIGNIFICANT MOST OF IT IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED BY DEVELOPERS AS THEIR PARTICULAR PARCELS DEVELOP.
THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP THEIR PORTION, UM, AND TO DO SO.
WE HAVE TO AMEND OUR CODES TO ALLOW FOR IT.
UM, I HAD A STAFF MEMO, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CODE AMENDMENTS THAT I HAVE.
UM, AS PART OF THIS, WE HAVE TO FIND THE CODE SECTIONS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY JIVE AND TAKE CARE OF THEM.
UM, THE FIRST ONE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE SEEMED RELATED TO, UM, THE DEFINITIONS OF AMENDING THE, THE VIBE, BUT, UM, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CREATING THE VIBE, WE REALIZED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT A MUNICIPAL UTILITY EASEMENT IS.
WE KNOW WHAT IT IS FROM PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S OUR VERSION OF A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT, EXCEPT THAT IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE GOT RID OF POS AND MADE THEM INTO MES, BUT AROUND THE PERIMETER OF A PROPERTY, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, FRONT SIDE AND REAR ONE, AND THEY HAVE THE UTILITIES HAVE TO GET OUR PERMISSION TO GO IN THERE.
UM, I'VE CREATED THE DEFINITION FOR WHAT WAS ALREADY BEING DONE FROM A PRACTICAL LEVEL.
AND I'VE ALSO ADDED ON THERE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND MUE MAY ALSO BE A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WAY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO, IF WE NEED A UTILITY EASEMENT FOR LIKE A WASTEWATER LINE, WE CAN ALSO MAKE IT INTO, UH, AN ACCESS EASEMENT AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THERE MIGHT BE TIMES WHERE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE TRUNK, THE MAIN TRUNK LINE WASTEWATER LINE THAT SERVES THE CITY OF KYLE GOES ALONG PLUM CREEK ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF KYLE.
AND IT ALSO HAS PARALLELS THE MAIN TRUNK LINE OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE VIBE IS GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRANSFORMED INTO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THAT JUST IN CASE, UM, 41 DASH 1 37, A SUBSECTION ONE, I WANT TO CREATE, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OFF-STREET TRAIL SYSTEM, BUT THERE ARE AREAS IN THE CITY UNDOUBTEDLY, WHERE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO CREATE, TO ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. SO, UM, WHERE, UM, IT'S APPROPRIATE WEEKEND, ALLOW THEM TO SHARE THE SAME SPACE.
UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLAIM IT CLARIFICATION'S IN THERE TO WHERE, UM, ALL EFFORTS SHOULD BE MADE TO HAVE A SEPARATE LANE FOR THE GOLF CARTS AND THE SHARED USE PATH, UM, SPEED LIMIT.
CAN'T BE MORE THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE APPROPRIATE STRIPING, STENCILING, OR SIGNS WHATEVER'S APPROPRIATE FROM A TRAFFIC MANUAL PERSPECTIVE TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
I DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE, LET'S JUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I WANT TO MAKE IT SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IN K ONE, UM, ADDING, UM, THE STANDARD CATEGORY FOR A PEDESTRIAN PATH FOR THE VIBE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A MINIMUM OF 12 FEET WIDE AND A RIGHT AWAY WITH OF 20 FEET AND WHERE WE CAN'T FOR WHATEVER REASON GET RIGHT AWAY.
I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE AN EASEMENT INSTEAD, A 41 DASH 1 39, UM, IS REALLY INTO CROSSWALKS MOST OF THE TIME, THE, IT SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO WHERE THEY ARE GRADE SEPARATED, WHERE THE VIBE INTERSECTS WITH A PUBLIC STREET.
UM, IF THEY DO DO THAT, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE A MINIMUM OF A 12 BY 10, UH, CONCRETE BOX CULVERT WITH, UH, WITH APPROPRIATE LIGHTING UNDERNEATH, UH, WHERE IT'S AT GRADE CROSSINGS.
THEY NEED TO HAVE A HAWK SIGNAL, UH, TO NOTIFY DRIVERS COMING DOWN THE DOWN THE STREET, UM, SECTION 41, 1 43.
THIS ONE IS A FUN ONE TO AMEND AND ALSO ADD TO, UM, WE GENERALLY WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ADD SIDEWALKS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENTS ALONG EXISTING STREETS, WHERE THEY'RE TYING INTO, BUT THE CODE SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT REQUIRE THEM TO.
AND SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO TRY TO BLUFF YOUR WAY THROUGH THAT SOMETIMES, BUT WE GENERALLY A PRETTY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH DEVELOPERS SO WE CAN GET THEM TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN ANY WAY.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE ISSUE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT BLACK AND WHITE.
SO THEY GOTTA, THEY GOTTA PUT IT IN THERE.
UM, WIDENING IT TO FIVE FEET STANDARD MINIMUM SIDEWALK WITH FOUR FEET IS FINE, EXCEPT EVERY 200 LINEAR FEET.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FOUR BY FIVE BUMPOUT FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.
SO FROM A, JUST FORMING IT UP PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU'RE CREATING THE SIDEWALK AND MAKING IT UNIFORM FIVE FEET JUST BETTER FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, LET'S SEE, UM, ALLOWED TO BE DESIGNED TO HAVE A APPROPRIATE SPACING FOR STREET TREES BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND BACK OF CURB.
UM, FOR THE, WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING THAT
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WITH THE RESIDENTIAL STYLE GUIDE THOUGH, WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY HAD ANYTHING IN WRITING.WE JUST SAID, YOU NEED TO DESIGN IT.
AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FIRMED UP ON THAT.
UM, A LITTLE BIT OF JUST A LITTLE WORDING WHERE IT CAN'T BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN THEY CAN GO IN AS A DEDICATED EASEMENT.
SO IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT, UM, PROJECT HAS A PORTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM.
UH, IT NEEDS MOSTLY TO BE RELATED TO IN PARKS, FLOODPLAIN DRAINAGE AREAS.
UM, IT WILL REPLACE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK IF IT'S ADJACENT TO THE STREET, THAT WAY WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM INADVERTENTLY TO DO A FIVE FOOT AND A 12 FOOT SECTION.
WE DON'T, IT WON'T HAPPEN, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.
UM, AND THEN IT REFERENCES BACK TO 41, 1 37 8.
AND THE LAST ONE IN HERE IS FOR STREET LIGHTS.
UM, THERE IS A, I DIDN'T, I SHOULD HAVE REFERENCED SUBSECTION E SPECIFICALLY IN HERE, BUT IN OUR EXISTING, UH, LAND OR LIGHTING CODE FOR SUBDIVISIONS, IT TALKS ABOUT IN SUBSECTION E WHERE, WHAT THE STANDARD DETAIL FOR A DECORATIVE LIGHT IS.
THERE'S A SPECIFIC BRAND AND MODEL AND EVERYTHING.
SO THE DECORATIVE LIGHTING RELATES BACK TO THAT AND IT NEEDS TO MATCH WHAT THE REST OF THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO DECORATIVE LIGHTING POOLS.
THAT'S THE SUBDIVISION SIDE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR FOUNDATION TO START ON THAT SIDE.
INEVITABLY, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TWEAKS LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE START SEEING SAME SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T QUITE WORK AS WELL AS WE WANT, BUT THIS WILL GET US STARTED.
ANY QUESTION, ASK YOU WHAT SUBSECTION E YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ONLINE YET.
WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND OUR LIGHTING CODE, BUT MUNI CODE ONLY UPDATES TWICE A YEAR PER OUR CONTRACT.
IT'S THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO AND LOOK FOR IT INTERNALLY.
IT'S PROBABLY THE ONE WE ALREADY APPROVED, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE ONE BACK IN MAY OR WHENEVER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAD A QUESTION, BUT YOU ANSWERED IT A LITTLE BIT LOWER DOWN.
MY MAIN CONCERN WAS JUST THE CROSSINGS WITH 35 MILES AN HOUR IN GOLF CARTS BY SCHOOLS AND PEOPLE, PEOPLE IS A LITTLE EASIER, UH, GOLF CARTON AND, AND BIKES, NOT SO MUCH.
UM, BUT AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF WARNING SYSTEM FOR THEM CROSSING, THEN IT'S FINE.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT GENERAL QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF PARKING SPACES IS GREAT AND WHERE I CAME FROM THE GROCERY STORE ACTUALLY HAD 12 PARKING SPACES AND, UM, BUT CAN GOLF CARTS, PARKING, REGULAR PARKING SPACES TOO? IS THAT LEGAL? I DON'T THINK THERE'D BE ANYTHING AGAINST IT.
IT'S THE QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU GET TO IT IN AN ILLEGAL MANNER, RIGHT.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IT FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU'RE SAFELY GETTING THERE.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME, I DID TRY TO, WHENEVER I'M AMENDING CODE, I TRIED TO LOOK AT IT FROM BOTH THE CITY STANDPOINT AND IF I WERE A DEVELOPER OR A PRIVATE ENTITY WORKING TO DEVELOP A PROJECT, UM, IF I WERE A DEVELOPER AND THE CITY WAS ENCOURAGING ME TO, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT PART FROM THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
BUT, UM, IF I WAS A DEVELOPER AND THEY WERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE ME TO PUT IN PARKING SPACES FOR GOLF CARTS, I WOULD WANT THEM REDUCE DOWN FROM A SPACE SAVING PERSPECTIVE, FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE AND MAKING THEM AN AREA MORE USABLE FROM A BUILDING PERSPECTIVE, UH, FROM A RENT GENERATION STANDPOINT.
SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY THAT WAY.
AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MORE IN THE ZONING SIDE.
NO, I WAS JUST THINKING IF THE GOLF CART SPACES WERE FULL, YOU KNOW, YOU PULL INTO THE NEXT ONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY STATE THAT, BUT I GOTTA BE CAREFUL.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYBODY TRYING TO ENFORCE THAT FROM THEM.
NO, I'M NOT A LESS, THEY HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE THEN THAT GOLF CART IS GOING TO GET TOWED.
SO, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR IN THE CODE TO THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO, BUT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION SIDE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, W WHEN YOU ROLL UP TO THE CROSSWALKS, I READ THAT AND IT SAID THAT CROSSWALKS WERE THE PURVIEW OF PLANNING AND ZONING.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE RAISED THOSE TEXTURED CROSSWALKS GO INTO OUR NEW SUBDIVISION PLANS FROM A, LIKE A SPEED BUMP, NOT A SPEED.
IT'S A SPEEDING, JUST BE TEXTURED.
WELL, SPEED TABLES ARE FOR THE BIGGER ONES, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT EVEN THE TECHNICAL, LIKE YOU HAVE OUT HERE.
WHY SHOULDN'T WE HAVE THE DEVELOPER DOING THAT AT EVERY MAILBOX THAT EVERY PLAYGROUND AT EVERY MAIN ACCESS WAY FOR CHILDREN ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL OR ANYWHERE ELSE, IT'S A NATURAL TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE.
IT DOES NOT IMPEDE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE JUST LIKE WE'RE ENCOURAGING TRAFFIC CIRCLES, THAT WE ENCOURAGE
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THOSE CROSSWALKS BE TEXTURED BY THE DEVELOPERS.SO THE CITY DOESN'T GET ALL THE CALLS FOR, WE WANT SPEED BUMPS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, IT'S A QUESTION OF SCALING IT UP IN THE CODE, OR JUST SIMPLY INSERTING IT IN THE CODE.
LIKE, DO WE WANT TO SPECIFICALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, SO, UM, IS IT SPECIFICALLY, SHOULD THEY JUST BE THERE TO CLARIFY WHERE THE VIBE CROSSES THE STREET OR SHOULD IT BE ACTUALLY ALL THE WAY ACROSS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE OR SUBDIVISIONS PERSONNEL SEEMS GREAT FROM AT LEAST AT A, AT A GLANCE.
AND EVERY SUBDIVISION WE HAD EVERY AMENITY CENTER PLAYGROUND.
WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE THAT? YOU JUST NEED TO GET A STANDARD DETAIL ON WHAT I THINK THOSE ARE STAMPED CONCRETE OUT THERE.
UM, SO WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT, OKAY.
NOW THAT MAY REQUIRE, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE AN WELL NOBODY'S MADE A MOTION YET, SO, UM, YEAH.
WELL, SO, WELL, IT'S, IT'S UNDER, IT'S UNDER CROSSWALKS AND I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY WHEN I, WHEN I NOTICED IT, I ONLY JUST SAID FOR THE SPECIFIC SECTION.
SO I THINK IT'S OKAY FROM A, FROM A PUBLIC NOTICE STANDPOINT, I WAS JUST GETTING WORRIED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS IN GENERAL AND MAKING THAT CHANGE, DIDN'T ADEQUATELY NOTICE THE PUBLIC THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STICKING TO THE VIBE.
WE MAY HAVE TO BRING IT BACK, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL THINK ABOUT THAT'S FINE, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE DOING THAT.
THAT'S WHAT AUSTIN IS DOING NOW IN ALL THEIR SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO MAKE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE IT YET THOUGH, BUT OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE'S NOT, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? YES.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SIDO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR, THANK YOU FOR STAFF OR WORK ON THAT ONE.
[E.
Consider an amendment to Chapter 53 (Zoning) of the City of Kyle, Code of Ordinances. The following sections will be considered: Sec. 53-33(n)(4) Parking, Sec. 53-892 Districts and Boundaries, adding Sec. 53-900, and amending Exhibit A, Plum Creek Planned Unit Development, Art. II, Section 1, for the purpose of adding requirements for the city-wide trail system.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED SECTION 53 DASH THREE THREE N FOUR.
PARKING SECTION 53 DASH 8 9 2 DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.
UM, ADDING SECTION 53 DASH 9 0 0 AND AMENDING EXHIBIT A PLUM CREEK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, ARTICLE TWO, SECTION ONE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDING A REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY WIDE TRAIL SYSTEM, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
YOU MAY COME UP TO THE PODIUM, SEEING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCED, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ZONING VERSUS SUBDIVISION.
SO THIS IS THE SECOND HALF OF AMENDING OUR CODE FOR THE VIBE, BUT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHEN WE STARTED ACCOUNTING FOR THE IDEA OF ALLOWING GOLF CARTS AND INTEGRATING GOLF CARTS INTO PARKING RATIOS AND STANDARDS RELATED TO VIBE SPOTS AND, AND EVERYTHING, IT JUST MADE SENSE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THIS PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE'RE DOING IT FROM BOTH INSIDE THE PLUM CREEK PUD AND OUTSIDE THE PUNK CREEK PUD, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UM, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN GULF COPPER, WORKING BY RICE SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN ALL SINGLE FAMILY OR EXCUSE ME, ALL DISTRICTS, EXCEPT FOR SINGLE FAMILY, DUPLEX ZONING TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF THE VIVITROL NETWORK.
UM, MINIMUM DIMENSIONS WILL BE FOUR FEET WIDE AND SIX FEET DEEP.
UM, WE STARTED RESEARCHING AND HOW BIG OF A GOLF CART IS SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO BE MUCH BIGGER THAN A GOLF CART TO MAKE IT WORK.
THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL VEHICLES.
UM, A DEVELOPER DOES NOT HAVE TO INSTALL GOLF CART PARKING.
WE, WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE IT, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IF THEY DO GOLF CART, CHARGING STATIONS ARE REQUIRED.
CAUSE A LOT OF THEM, MOST OF THEM ARE ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
AND WITH A MINIMUM OF TWO CHARGING STATIONS FOR THE FIRST 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF A BUILDING NOW, AS I ALLUDED TO IN A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM, WHEN WE STARTED FIGURING OUT WHAT IS THE MINIMUM
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REQUIRED, PARKING RATIO FOR GOLF CART, PARKINGS PARKING SPOTS, HOW DO WE EVEN FIGURE THAT OUT? THE, UH, FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE STARTED TRYING TO DESIGN THE VIBES SYSTEM, A LOT OF WHAT WE PULLED FROM WAS FROM PEACHTREE GEORGIA, THERE A GOLF CART COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE AROUND, UH, UH, A GOLF COURSE.SO IT MAKES SENSE, BUT THEY ALLOW THEM AT THEIR SCHOOLS AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND, UM, I CALLED THEM, I SAID, HEY, HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT YOUR PARKING RATIOS FOR GOLF CARTS? AND THEY IMMEDIATELY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
SO IT'S BEEN A KIND OF A, OFF THE CUFF KIND OF DESIGNS FOR THEM.
AND THEY JUST KIND OF ALLOW IT, BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC.
UM, AND SO I WAS RACKING MY BRAIN, HOW TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
SO I JUST SAID, OKAY, SO LET ME JUST DO A, A, AN IMAGE SEARCH, A GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH OF, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AROUND TOWN.
YOU KNOW, IF I WAS GOING TO GO INTO A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND I PICK THE ONE OUT THERE AT THE HARD CORNER, 16, 26 AND 35 RIGHT THERE, AND TARGET WHERE A MOD PIZZA IS AND ALL THAT.
AND I SAID, HOW MANY WOULD BE JUST AT A GLANCE WOULD BE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED THOUGH? IT MAKES SENSE IF I WERE TO DO THIS AS A PRACTITIONER OF A ZONING CODE, OR IF I WAS A DEVELOPER AND IF I WANTED TO PUT IT IN THERE AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE DEMAND WAS GOING TO BE FOR FUTURE PARKING FOR GOLF CARTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM I COULD DO TO GET BY AND SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, BUT NOT GO OVERBOARD ON IT.
AND IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY TWO FOR THE INITIAL 20,000 SQUARE FEET THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE.
THE REMINDED THIS IS COMING FROM SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER BEEN DESIGNED BEFORE.
WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY OTHER EXAMPLES YET.
AND IT JUST SEEMS TO JUST GENERICALLY MAKE SENSE IN THIS PERSPECTIVE, NOW THAT AS YOUR MINIMUM THRESHOLD TO START, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN PARKING FOR GOLF CARTS, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 20% OF YOUR REQUIRED PARKING OUTSIDE OF GOLF CART, PARKING RATIOS TO REPLACE WITH GOLF CART PARKING AT A TWO TO ONE RATIO.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES, REGARDLESS OF GOLF CART PARKING, YOU COULD GET UP TO 20 OF THOSE REPLACED WITH 40 PARKING SPACES FOR GOLF CARTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER.
YOU CAN FIT TWO GOLF CARTS IN ONE STANDARD PARKING SPACE IN THE CITY OF COLLEGE, 18 AND A HALF BY NINE.
SO IF YOU'RE, SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE.
MAYBE THAT'S A LITTLE HIGH, I DON'T KNOW.
WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL Y'ALL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION VOTE AND WHAT COUNCIL THINKS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE CREATING THIS KIND OF OUT OF THIN AIR FROM A PARKING RATIO STANDPOINT.
DOES THAT MEAN THEN OUT OF THAT HUNDRED, THEY ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 60 REGULAR PARKING SPACES.
NO, NO, I GUESS IT WOULD BE YOUR PLEASE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE 80 REGULAR AND 40 GOLF CART.
SO YOU BY DEFAULT ACTUALLY INCREASED IT.
SO MORE PEOPLE I CAN PARK THERE, I GUESS, BUT, BUT THEN, SO YOU KEEP 80%.
AND THEN 20% COULD BE, SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THE 80 PARKING SPACES.
THEY COULDN'T SAY, OH, WE GOT 40 HERE.
SO WE ONLY NEED TO PROVIDE SIX.
WE CAN PROVIDE FEWER SPACES AND THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING THE 100.
THEY COULD HAVE 100 CARS PARKED THERE.
CONCEIVABLY ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION ON THIS, WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S ELECTRIC PLUGINS WHAT'S TO KEEP A TESLA FROM PARK, PLUGGING IT FALLING IN AND PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW IF A TESLA USES WHAT'S THAT THEY'RE TINY.
OH, THERE'S CHARGING STATIONS.
OH, WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT PLUG.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF DO TESLAS USE ONE 10? I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, SO THE TESLA'S AROUND TYPICALLY THE, THE PLUGINS FOR, I MEAN, I'M UNFORTUNATELY ADVERTISING MY COMMUNITY HERE, UM, ARE TYPICALLY LIKE SQUARE.
SOME OF THEM ARE JUST REGULAR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PLUG IN LIKE AN EXTENSION CORD TO GET IT CHARGED.
SO YEAH, LIKE FOR THE GOLF CART.
SO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ALL THOSE DETAILS.
I WAS JUST RELYING ON THE MARKET TO DICTATE THE APPROPRIATE CHARGING STATION.
CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET THAT WRONG IN OUR CODE.
SO, UM, IT'S THE SAME THING IN THE PLUM CREEK PUD.
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SPOT OVER THERE TOO.I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THEM OUT.
UM, RELATING TO THE 53 DASH 8 9 2.
UM, WE ALREADY HAVE WHERE WE'VE ESTABLISHED OVERLAYS.
THE VIBE SPOT IS EFFECTIVELY AN OVERLAY, THE WAY IT'S BEING DRAFTED AND WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD.
IT IS A WAY TO, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO GET YOUR PLANS APPROVED FOR THE VIBE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR AN APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED PROJECT.
AS EACH VIBE NOTE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, UM, A UNIQUE IDEA.
SO AS PART OF THAT, I CHOSE TO TRY TO AMEND 53 DASH 8 9 2 TO INCORPORATE THE VIBE AS NUMBER FIVE NUMBER OR OVERLAY NUMBER EIGHT.
BUT ALSO BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE SUBSECTION FOUR TO VETERAN'S DRIVE FROM REBEL.
WE CHANGED THE NAME, UH, LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, AND THIS CODE AMENDMENT NEEDED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AS WELL.
BUT THIS JUST THROWS IT IN THERE.
A QUESTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SNYDER HAS SHE HAD CALLED EARLIER ABOUT WHERE'S THE REFERENCE TO MAP IN SUBSECTION D WE DON'T REALLY HAVE IT.
UM, WE WERE, IT WAS BEING DRAFTED WHEN I WAS ON THE LONG RANGE PLANNING COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, UM, AND UH, ABOUT THREE, TWO OR THREE MONTHS INTO THAT, UH, COUNCIL DISBANDED THE COMMITTEE.
SO IT NEVER REALLY MADE ANY WAY ITS WAY FORWARD.
IT'S ON A, TO DO LIST TO CREATE THE MAP AND INCORPORATE IT, BUT IT'S ALSO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT TOO.
SO WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE INTEGRATE THAT INTO THE ZONING CODE.
UM, SO THAT SPECIFICALLY IS NOT IN THERE FOR THAT REASON.
THEN WE GET DOWN TO THE REALLY BIG PICTURE ITEM, UM, CREATING SECTION 53 DASH 900.
IT'S A PLACEHOLDER RIGHT NOW IN MUNI CODE CALLED THE VIBE.
NOW I WILL SAY THIS, THE VIBE HAS BEEN A WORKING TITLE FOR THIS IDEA.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN USING AS A MARKETING TOOL.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, IF COUNCIL DECIDES THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE NAME, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE HAVE IT ON HERE BECAUSE THAT'S JUST BEEN THE WORKING TITLE IN THE MARKETING FOR IT.
AND WE HAVE HONESTLY HAVE NOT COME UP WITH A BETTER NAME.
SO IT SEEMS TO WORK, UH, IT'S TRAILING TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS DOCUMENT DRAFTED IS SOMETHING MR. SELLERS PUT TOGETHER A CITY MANAGER.
I DIDN'T WANT TO RECREATE THE WHEEL AND I PLUNKED IT DOWN INTO OUR ZONING CODE WITH A COUPLE OF MINOR AMENDMENTS, NOT SUBSTANTIVE, BUT JUST LITTLE THINGS TO MAKE IT FUNCTION BETTER.
UM, MOSTLY FOCUSING ON THE LAST PAGE WHERE IT COMES TO HOW YOU GET A VIBE SPOT APPROVED.
UM, AND NOW THIS PROCESS OR THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS EXTREMELY FLEXIBLE AND VERY RADICAL IN TERMS OF A ZONING CODE.
TYPICALLY, TRADITIONALLY ZONING CODES ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN FLEXIBLE.
UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO INCORPORATE GREAT DESIGN, BUT ALSO STAY COMPLIANT WITH PUBLIC HEARING PROCESSES AND STATE CODE AND NOT VIOLATE THAT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH A PUD, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY SEEN.
TWO OF THOSE, TONIGHT'S INCORPORATING THE VIBE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE MOST COMMON ROUTE THAT YOU CAN TAKE IT THROUGH AS A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, INCORPORATING THE VIBE SPOT INTO, UM, OR IT CAN GO AS A STANDALONE PROJECT MAYBE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE VIBE SPOT THAT WE THINK WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
IT'S JUST A LARGE ENOUGH FOR ITS OWN LOT, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
UM, AND IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT.
SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE, UM, TO, TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
AND THAT WILL BE FLESHED OUT WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER, WHICH WAY IS MORE IMPORTANT EITHER WAY.
YOU LOOK AT IT THOUGH, WE WANTED TO GIVE A LOT OF LATITUDE TO DISCUSSION ON HOW TO INCORPORATE THAT AND GIVE, UM, STAFF THE DEVELOPER, PLENTY OF ROOM FOR CONVERSATION AND FLEXIBILITY AND CREATIVITY TO MAKE THESE GREAT PLACES THEY'RE GOING TO BE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE CREATION OF THE VIBE IDEA CONCEPTUALLY IS, IS, IS ALREADY TURNING DEVELOPMENT ON ITS HEAD FROM WHAT IT WAS PRIOR TO THIS IDEA.
DEVELOPERS ARE WANTING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS.
YOU CAN'T, IT'S HARD TO GET DEVELOPERS TO WANT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THEIR STANDARD STUFF.
SO THE PRIVATE MARKET, THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
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AND WE'RE EXCITED TO PUSH IT FORWARD.SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATED IT IN THIS MANNER, UM, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF LATITUDE ON HOW THINGS CAN BE DEVELOPED, EVEN IF IT WOULDN'T, IF IT NORMALLY MAY SEEM A LITTLE BIT OUT OF SORTS, ADJACENT TO A CERTAIN LAND USE TYPE, UM, THEY DO NEED TO BE INTEGRATED APPROPRIATELY FROM SEPARATE LAND USE TYPES.
UM, AND WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE PROCESS AS WELL.
I'M HAPPY TO BRING THIS TO Y'ALL.
I'M A MASSIVELY A PROPONENT FOR THIS, AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR STUFF TO START COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE IT ALREADY HAS, BUT LIKE REALLY ON THE GROUND CONSTRUCTION, UH, FROM BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE FROM THE CITY'S DOING ITS SIDE, UM, I'M NOT A PROJECT MANAGER ON THE CITY SIDE, BUT FROM, WE HAVE FUNDING THAT WAS PASSED IN THE BOND PROJECT.
UH, LAST YEAR, UH, THIS CAN BE USED TO START WORKING ON CREATING THE VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM FOR THE PARTS THAT WE NEED.
IT'S IT'S COMING AND IT'S COMING VERY QUICKLY.
IT'S COMING QUICKLY, EVEN FROM THE CITY SIDE OF THINGS, UM, FROM OUR, FROM MARCUS CONSTRUCTION AND THE CITIES DON'T MOVE FAST FROM A GOVERNMENT STANDPOINT.
UM, UH, I CAN'T RAVE ABOUT IT ENOUGH.
SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU PROBABLY DO, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UH, YOU, YOU, YOU WERE SAYING THAT WE COULD CHANGE THE, UM, UM, TH THAT WE COULD CHANGE THE MAXIMUM GOLF CART SPOT NUMBER IF, IF WE DECIDED TO, WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION.
YOU CAN DEFINITELY RECOMMEND A CHANGE.
WE JUST KINDA THREW A PERCENTAGE IN THERE.
THERE WASN'T A REAL RHYME OR REASON TO, WE JUST THOUGHT, HEY, MAYBE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO OVERBOARD, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOO LITTLE.
I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT'S A GOLF CART STORE, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT RESIDENTS WILL THINK OF WHEN THEY SEE A PLACE COME IN WITH, WITH THAT RATIO, THE 80, UM, ACTUAL LOTS ACTUAL SPOTS AND FOR, I, FOR, FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE SPOTS, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE 40, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN 20, UM, AND THEN SEE WHAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD THINK OF THAT.
AND I'M, I, I THINK THAT RATIO IS EXTREME.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE YOU UP ON IT, BUT, BUT, UM, BUT I WOULD STILL, UM, I STILL THINK THAT'S HIGH.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER WOULD BE THOUGH.
SO, UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION WHEN WE MAKE THE MOTION, BUT, UM, I NEED TO MAKE ROOM IN MY GARAGE FOR GOLF CART.
UM, SO I NOTICED WE'RE LOAD IS YOUR, IS THE PREFERRED ON THIS? UM, I KNOW IT SAYS NOT LIMITED TO, BUT I SPECIFICALLY SEE A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IS, IS NOT ON THAT PREFERRED LIST, UM, FROM A PARKING RATIO PERSPECTIVE.
BUT FROM A, SO HERE'S MY CONUNDRUM.
JUST, JUST SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY I'M SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING, I'VE BUILT GOLF CART COMMUNITIES.
I KNOW GOLF CART COMMUNITIES OR CONDO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE GOLF CARTS.
THERE HAVE NOWHERE TO STORE IT.
IF THEY HAVE A GARAGE IT'S NORMALLY JUST BIG ENOUGH TO FIT, UH, UH, THEIR CAR.
MAYBE, MAYBE TWO, THESE ARE RETIRED FOLKS TOO.
SO MOSTLY IT'S JUST ONE CAR AND THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THE GOLF CART IN THERE.
UM, THAT'S YOU MIGHT BE BITING HERSELF THERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF YOU.
AND I KNOW THE GARAGES ARE SMALL.
UM, SO ARE THEY GOING TO PRIORITIZE A VEHICLE BEING PARKED ON THE STREET INSTEAD OF HAVING THEIR, THEIR VEHICLES SECURED IN THEIR GARAGE AND, AND WANT A GOLF CART? I LOVE THE IDEA.
UM, THEY WORKED GREAT, UH, AND, AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE 5% BY THE WAY ON THAT.
BUT, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE LIMITING IT, UM, FROM THE PARKING RATIO STANDPOINT.
NO, JUST THE, JUST THE, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO BE ON THIS, THE VIBE NODE.
SO THE, THE VIBE NODE, GENERALLY IT DOESN'T, EACH ONE CAN BE PRETTY FLEXIBLE,
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BUT GENERALLY, UH, SHOULD BE HIGHER DENSITY, NOTABLE TYPE DEVELOPMENT.UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR STUFF THAT HAS LESS, UM, UH, CURB CUTS FROM A FRONT-LOADED PERSPECTIVE.
THAT THAT'S ALL I PUT IT IN THERE.
UM, IT, IT DID, IT DID NOT INTEGRATE NECESSARILY LIKE YOU'RE STATING WITH HOW YOU PARK A GOLF CART WHERE YOU DO IT WITH A SINGLE FAMILY.
YOU DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY RIGHT.
IN A, IN A TOWNHOME, UH, MOST, MOST I SHOULDN'T SAY.
AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION MANY TIMES HERE WHEN THOSE PROJECTS HAVE COME UP.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING EITHER YOU'RE PARKING ON THE STREET, YOU'RE PARKING YOUR VEHICLE ON THE STREET SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A GOLF CART IN THE GARAGE.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE ARE THEY, THESE, THESE CARTS GOING TO KIND OF WORK, SAME THING WITH A MULTI FAMILY, UM, FIVE I'M RENTING A, AN APARTMENT.
I'M PROBABLY NOT BUYING A GOLF CART.
AND THEY MAY NOT CHOOSE EVEN INCORPORATE GOLF CART PARKING, AND THAT'S FINE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
I'M AFRAID IF IT'S A SMALL LOT AND THEY ONLY HAVE 20 SPACES, THEN THAT'S ONE SPACE.
I DON'T, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MORE LIKE, OKAY.
UM, I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST IN DISCUSSION THOUGH, THE QUESTION IS SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE A MOTION FIRST AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR, UH, ITEM EIGHT E CONSIDERATION, YOU SAY? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
UH, AT HOWEVER, TO CHANGE THE, UH, MAXIMUM, UH, GOLF CART, PARKING ALLOWANCE TO 5%.
THERE IS, UM, THE MOTION MADE BY CHRIS, YOUR CHASE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BEEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I AGREE WITH YOU, IF YOU CAN, YOU DO A MINIMUM, CAN YOU DO 5% THAN WITH A MINIMUM OF, WELL, IF YOU DO A MINIMUM, THEN YOU'RE SAYING EVERYONE WHO BUILDS PARKING LOTS HAS TO HAVE GOLF CART PARKING, WHICH IS, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO AT THIS TIME.
WE WANT, YEAH, IT COULD BE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY ON THE VIBE WE WANT TO HAVE IT.
AND I'M SORRY, WERE YOU STILL GOING WITH YOUR HEAD? THE FLOOR.
IF WE HAD THAT HUNDRED LOT HOT, A HUNDRED SPOT, LOT, 5% IS A GOOD NUMBER.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, 10 SPACES FOR GOLF CARDS.
BUT WHEN WE'RE MAXING IT OUT AT 5%, IF THERE'S ONLY 20, 25 SPOTS, THAT IS A SMALL NUMBER FOR SOMEONE THAT REALLY DOES MAY WANT TO BUY INTO, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THAT TO BE THE RIGHT OFF THE VIBE.
THEY WANT THE GOLF CART PEOPLE TO COME.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE LENIENCY THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOOD NUMBER IS.
I THINK FIVE IS LOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO ECONOMIES OF SCALE, RIGHT? SO 10% IS A BIG NUMBER.
WHEN YOU START, AS YOU START INCREASING THOSE PARKING SPACES, 10% BECOMES A BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER NUMBER.
I WAS THINKING OF THAT MORE ON THE, ON THAT LARGER SCALE, DRIVING AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RETAIL LOCATIONS ONLY HAVE LIKE, LIKE 20 PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO THAT'S MAYBE WHERE I WAS COMING FROM AS OF LIVING EIGHT AND GOES TO 5%.
MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE IT TO IF YOUR MAXIMUM PARKING LOT IS 25 SPACES, YOUR NUMBERS 10% AND ANYTHING ABOVE 25 OR WHATEVER, I'M JUST THROWING OUR 25 AS AN ARBITRARY NUMBER.
ANYTHING ABOVE SUCH AND SUCH, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM IS, IS 5% BECAUSE AGAIN, YEAH, 500 PARKING SPACES.
AND LIKE THE COSTCO AREA, THAT WHOLE AREA IS CONSIDERED ONE PARKING AREA, RIGHT? THE COSTCO, THE EVO, NOT THE APARTMENTS, THE APARTMENTS IS OUTSIDE OF THAT, BUT ALL OF THAT IS ONE 10% OF THAT IS A LOT OF, OKAY.
HOW ABOUT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE.
LIKE I WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL 20% WITH A MAXIMUM OF BLANK NUMBER OF SPACES.
SO YOU CAN HAVE 20% OF YOUR LOT, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN BLANK SPACES, YOU KNOW, W UH, YOU KNOW, UH, 20 SPACES, YOU KNOW, CONVERT TO 40 SPACES, BUT, YOU KNOW, OR, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, UH, B BECAUSE
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YEAH, I DON'T, I, I, I, I STILL THINK IF, IF A RESIDENCY'S A PARKING LOT, COME IN WITH 40 GOLF CART SPOTS AND BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CITY DOING? UH, BUT, BUT I ALSO WANT FOR US TO HAVE THAT ANSWER.SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO, TO SOLVE THIS.
WELL, IT MAY NOT BE A ACTUALLY, CAN I EVEN DISCUSS RIGHT NOW WHILE YOU HAVE EMOTION IN PLAY? WELL, I'M JUST GUESSING THE MOTION.
I'M SAYING WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK FROM A ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTERING THAT, UM, SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING A MAXIMUM OF 20%, BUT NO MORE FOR LARGER SCALE PROJECTS, THEN 40 AS AN IDEA, NOT THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC CODE, BUT NO MORE THAN 30 OR 40 PARKING SPACES AND THE SCALES DOWN FROM THE LOVE OF, FROM THE ECONOMY OF SCALE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK YOU COULD DO A, A NO MORE THAN X INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SAY IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCRIMINATE ON, ON THE PROJECT ITSELF.
IT'S JUST A MAXIMUM OF 20% UP TO AN ACTUAL 25 PARKING SPACES MAXIMUM.
AND THAT'LL LET THE SMALLER LOTS HAVE THEIR 20% OF, THEY WANT IT AND IT'LL, IT'LL KEEP COSTCO, COSTCO FROM HAVING, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO GOLF IN YOUR GOLF CART, COSTCO TO BUY KANICK SODA.
YOU'VE PROBABLY TAKEN YEARS YOUR SUV TO COSTCO TO GET ALL YOUR STUFF.
UM, YEAH, NO, BUT THE REASON WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IN A MINUTE, THE MOTION SHOULD BE MADE.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT SHOULD THEY HAVE BEEN BEEN B AND, AND I'M THINKING WE FOUND A PRETTY GOOD BALANCE THERE.
UH, DO WE AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH A MAC, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY A NUMBER OF, OF, UH, VEHICLE SPACES THAT COULD BE TRANSITIONED TO DOUBLE? UM, YES.
DO WE WANT TO SAY MAXIMUM OF STANDARD VEHICLE SPACES OR MAXIMUM OF GOLF CART SPACES? I WAS THINKING GOLF CART.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, BECAUSE I WANT TO AVOID THE, THE, THE, UM, THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE A 40.
SOMEONE PULLING IN AND SEEN 40 GOLF CART GOLF.
CAUSE THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE IN THE FRONT TOO.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE GOLF CART, PARKING ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP RIGHT FRONT FOR UTILITIES.
JUST MAKE SURE IT'S AN EVEN NUMBER.
SO DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY THOUGHT AS TO OKAY, SO I CAN AMEND MY, MY MOTION THEN.
UM, SO I WILL AMEND THE MOTION TO EIGHT E UH, FOR STANDARD LANGUAGE AND TO, UM, AMEND, THAT'S NOT APPEAR ON THE SCREEN.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME ONE SECOND.
THIS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR.
UM, TO A, TO AMEND THE, UH, PROVISION REGARDING GOLF CART, PARKING TO ELABORATE PLACE, STANDARD PARKING SPACES, ATTITUDE TO RUN RATIO MAXIMUM IS 20% OF REQUIRED PARKING OR L A NOT TO EXCEED 26 GOLF CART SPACES.
SO YOU'RE STILL GOOD AT THE 20% AND NOT TO EXCEED 26 PARKING.
THAT'S 13 SPACES AND I DON'T IN THE END.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SHAY SECONDED BY MYSELF.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? UM, I THINK WE'VE, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH A MIDDLE GROUND HERE.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
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NEXT ITEM.NUMBER NINE, STAFF REPORT, UH, NINE, EIGHT STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, CITY PLANNER, SENIOR PLANNER.
IT'S IN THE SECTION WHERE WE USUALLY ADD SOMETHING AND I HAVE TWO ITEMS I WANT TO BRING UP WITH FAT, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
CAN WE TYPICALLY, WE DON'T THE P AND Z ADDS THINGS TO THE AGENDA.
UM, BUT IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL THOSE INTO US, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN ADD IT TO THE NEXT
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AGENDA.THEY'RE JUST ITEMS THAT I'D LIKE FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN FOR US, THERE'S SOMETHING I WANT TO DO THAT MAYBE IT HAS.
MAYBE WE COULD JUST BRING THEM UP AS THEY COME UP IN TOPIC LIKE WE DID WITH THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL THOSE TO ME, AND THEN WE CAN, LET'S JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
AND THEN, UM, HOWEVER THAT TURNS OUT, WE MIGHT UM, SEND THAT TO COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DIRECTING P AND Z TO WORK ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
ARE WE TO JUST TAKE OUT THAT, THAT SECTION, THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE ITEMS FOR, THAT WE PRE SENT FOR CONSIDERATION, OR WE TALK ABOUT ISN'T THERE AN ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR ITEMS FOR SURE.
THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ADD BACK IN, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO BECOME AN ACTUAL ITEM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD TO OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND SEE IF IT SHOULD BE OKAY.
UM, SO WE GOT A FEW ITEMS. UH, THE FIRST ONE OF MOST IMMEDIATE CONCERN IS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PLANTS THAT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT TO THIS MEETING, BUT, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPER'S SIDE, IT'S EMINENT THAT THEY GET APPROVED AND WE WANTED TO SEE IF Y'ALL WERE AVAILABLE NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT TO APPROVE HOW LIKE TWO PILOTS.
I THINK ONE OF THEM IS, UH, CAL TARA.
SO THERE'D BE THREE OF Y'ALL AND BRANDON DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE BRANDED HERE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THREE OF US.
I MEAN, OOH, I'M AVAILABLE IF, I MEAN, JUST I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT, BUT YOU'RE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S TRICKY WITHOUT IT, WITHOUT A FULL DIVE.
WE'RE NO LONGER IN NEGOTIATE THAT DEAL CLOSE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONFLICT CONTINUES AFTER THAT, BUT I'M NO LONGER IN ACTIVE NEGOTIATIONS OR BUSINESS WITH THEM OR DEAL CLOSED, CONTRACT, CLOSE MONEY EXCHANGE, HANDS DONE.
SO Y'ALL LET ME KNOW I'M AVAILABLE, BUT IF YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK ON THAT, LET ME KNOW.
UM, I, WE CAN ASK PAGE, BUT TO ME IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'RE MORE AND I GUESS THAT'S ALSO A CALL THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE CONFLICTED THEN, BUT IF YOU DON'T THEN IT DOESN'T.
I MEAN, BUT YEAH, I D WELL, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COUNCILS DEPENDING ON IT, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M IN THE CLEAR.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR NEXT TUESDAY, WHICH MEANS, OR NEXT WEDNESDAY, WHICH MEANS THE AGENDA IS GOING TO BE POSTED FRIDAY.
SO THIS FRIDAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL FIND THAT OUT PRETTY QUICK FOR, AT LEAST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, MATT, UM, IS ANYBODY ELSE AVAILABLE OR NOT AVAILABLE THIS COMING WEDNESDAY FOR LITERALLY, PROBABLY TOO BLESSED OR NOT NICK? NOT TOMORROW, BUT NEXT WEEK.
UM, WE WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVE NOT BEEN IGNORING THE FACT THAT WE ONLY HAVE FIVE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, COUNCIL IS WORKING ON A NEW POLICY.
UH, THEY HAVE, WAS IT A TASKFORCE, IS THE APPROPRIATE PHRASING.
YOU HAVE A TASK FORCE OR WORKING ON A NEW POLICY THAT'S THEY BELIEVE IS ABOUT TO BE IMMINENT, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND SO FOLLOWING THAT, WE'LL BE STARTING TO PROCESS APPLICANTS IF ASSUMING THEIR TIMELINE IS ACCURATE.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT ANYTHING FORWARD RELATED TO NEW APPLICANTS AND NEW COMMISSIONERS AND RELATED STUFF.
SO, UM, WE TRIED TO CONVINCE THEM OTHERWISE THAT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UM, OR TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT THEY, THEY VOTED TO WRAP UP THE, THEIR NEW POLICY.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
UM, TRYING TO THINK OF THERE ANYTHING ELSE, WE ARE PERFORMING FINAL INTERVIEWS OR THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING THIS WEEK.
SO WE'LL GET THIS WRAPPED UP AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE OFFERING A JOB BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
UM, OUR HOPE IS TO HAVE THEM IN PLACE BY EARLY FEBRUARY, LATE JANUARY.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ADVERTISED FOR OUR SCENE OR NOT SENIOR PLANNER POSITION.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT FILLED AND WE'LL HAVE A FULLY STAFFED PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN, UH, ONCE AS SOON AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR,
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UH, IS HIRED, UH, HE OR SHE IS GOING TO HIT THE ROAD WITH, UH, STARTING OFF ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UM, SO THE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK WOULD THAT REPLACE, AND SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A SECOND MEET, LIKE THE FOURTH TUESDAY.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THIS GONNA TRIGGER A FOURTH TUESDAY MEETING.
UM, FEBRUARY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE MIGHT HAVE, WE MIGHT HAVE TWO VOTING MEETINGS.
UM, JUST DEPENDING ON THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S AN ANNEXATION THAT'S GOING TO FALL ON THE FOURTH TUESDAY.
UM, SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A COUPLE OF WEEKS DOWN THE ROAD, SO THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? YES.