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THE TIME IS SIX 30.[1. Call Meeting To Order]
DATE IS MARCH 8TH.I LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
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THREE MINUTES, UH, MINUTES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 8TH, 2022, REGULAR MEETING AND FEBRUARY 22ND, 2022 SPECIAL CALLED MEETING SLASH JOINT MEETING WITH CITY.COUNCIL MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NEXT ITEM FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBERS OF THE, UH, ANY CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK MAY, UH, COME UP NOW WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES AND UM, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
AS IN COMMENTS, AS THE COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED ITEM
[5. Executive Session]
NUMBER FIVE, EXECUTIVE SESSION FIVE EIGHT EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0.071 CON CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY REGARDING PROCEDURAL MATTERS RELATED TO CONSIDER A REQUEST TO RENOVATE AND APPROXIMATELY 3,200 SQUARE FOOT CONOCO, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE WITH ASSOCIATED FUEL CANOPY AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 2 0 3 NORTH OLD HIGHWAY 81 WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT CONOCO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.SO YOU P TWO TWO DASH 0 0 5 0.
CONSIDER REQUEST BY STEVEN, UH, BUFFUM PE OF, OF CONSOLES, INC TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 201.4 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURE A TO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ONE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 8 9, 9 6 CREEKS BOULEVARD AND HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS BANCA RIVER RANCH PROPERTIES LP DASH Z DASH TWO TWO DASH 0 0 9 7.
AND CONSIDER A REQUEST BY JEFFREY HOWARD OF MCLEAN AND HOWARD LLP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 259 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURE, A TO PLAN UNIT UNIT DEVELOPMENT, P U D FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5, 2 6 0 HILLSIDE TERRACE IN HAYS COUNTY, TEXAS HILLSIDE TERRORIST, UH, ZONING DASH Z DASH TWO ONE DASH 0 0 9 0.
WE WILL BE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER
[6A. Consider a request to renovate an approximately 3,200 square foot Conococonvenience store with associated fuel canopy and dumpster enclosure for propertylocated at 1203 N. Old Hwy 81 within the I-35 overlay district (Conoco - ConditionalUse Permit - CUP-22-0050)]
NEXT ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION.CONSIDER REQUEST TO, UH, RENOVATE AND APPROXIMATELY 3,200 SQUARE FOOT CONOCO CONVENIENCE STORE WITH ASSOCIATED FUEL CANOPY AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 2 0 3 NORTH OLD HIGHWAY 81 WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT CONOCO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS DUP DASH TWO TWO DASH 0 0 5 0.
UH, MR. ATKINSON, JUST A MOMENT HERE, THROW THIS UP ON THE SCREEN.
UH, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS, UH, JUST RIGHT OFF THE AGENDA WE'LL I CAN SEND FOR THE RECORD SENIOR PLANNER, UM, AS Y'ALL KNOW, TYPICALLY WHEN WE REVIEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND WE BRING THEM TO YOU, IT'S USUALLY A GREENFIELD SITE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE PROJECT IS GETTING ALL THEIR PERMITS IN A ROW TO BE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION FROM A FRESH START.
OCCASIONALLY WE WILL HAVE ONE WHERE THEY WANT TO DO A RENOVATION.
AND, UM, DEPENDING ON THE SCALE OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, IT CAN, YOU CAN BE BOTH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT THEY'RE DOING, OR IT CAN JUST BE THE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES FROM A FACADE STAMP STANDPOINT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ONE IS.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THE FACADES OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL AS PART OF THE CODE.
UM, AND WE APPLAUD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY WANTING TO DO THAT, UM, TO COME FORWARD AND, AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UM, WE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THIS, UH, THE SKETCH OF THE SITE PLAN THERE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FRAME OF REFERENCE, UH, PLAN WEST, UM, IS THE EXISTING OVERLAY OR EXCUSE ME, ACCESS ROAD, UH, WHERE YOU SEE WITH THE CANOPY IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THE BUILDING, AND THEN OVER IN THE PLAN SOUTHEAST, OR PROBABLY THE
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NORTHWEST CORNERS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE INSTALLING THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE ITSELF IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER A FULL SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT REVIEW, UM, AND IT'S ALREADY ON, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVER ANYWAY.SO, UM, STAFF DID NOT BELIEVE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO REQUIRE THAT FOR THE COST AND THE TIME, UM, RIGHT HERE IS THE FACADE, THE FACE OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
IF YOU WERE NORTH OF IT FACING SOUTH LOOKING SOUTH ALONG 9 35, UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU SAW A PICTURE OF WHAT THE CONOCO LOOKS LIKE.
Y'ALL HAVE PROBABLY SEEN IT COMING DOWN AT 35.
UM, THIS IS WITHOUT QUESTION, A VAST IMPROVEMENT FROM A FACADE STANDPOINT AND STAFF HAS NO ISSUES WITH IT.
I WILL SAY JUST AS A SIDE COMMENT, UH, MOST OF THEIR MASONRY IS STUCCO.
UM, BUT IT IT'S OKAY FROM AN INTENT.
THEY MEET THE INTENT, IF NOT THE CODE REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO DO IS THE END RESULT WILL MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S MULTIPLE TYPES OF MASONRY ON IT.
AND STAFF IS ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT IDEA.
UM, HERE IS THE, THE EAST FACADE.
SO IF YOU'RE STANDING IN, LOOKING IN, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU ARE IN THE, THIS ONE IS THE REAR FACADE.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, SORRY.
YEAH, THE REAR FACADE, IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE FLEA MARKET, LOT LOOKING EAST, THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING, IF YOU'RE FACING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, LOOKING NORTH, YOU'LL SEE THAT RIGHT THERE ON THE BOTTOM PART.
AND THEN THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO, UM, FOR THE FUEL CANOPY, UM, IT MATCHES THE PROPOSED FACADE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, PERFECTLY, PERFECTLY FINE, NO PROBLEMS THERE.
AND THEN THE LAST ITEM THAT I WANT TO THROW UP ON THE SCREEN IS THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
WE'RE GOING TO GO BEAR WITH ME JUST A MOMENT.
AND THIS ITEM RIGHT HERE, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO COVER IT IN A STUCCO.
IT'S A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES RELATED TO IT, BUT THEY ARE WORKING TO MEET THE CODE AND INTENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, THE METAL FRAME FOR THE ENCLOSURE DOORS AS WELL, WHICH IS GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND.
SO STAFF IS FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WE DON'T, UM, WE AREN'T RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES TO IT.
AND WE ASKED THAT Y'ALL, UM, APPROVE THE ELEVATIONS AS PRESENTED AS WELL.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE ITEMS SEVEN A AS WRITTEN.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND? OKAY.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER.
SNYDER'S SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YES.
I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY BEHIND IT AND, UH, THIS IS GOING TO GREATLY IMPROVE THAT, THAT AREA.
SO I'M GLAD THEY'RE THERE, UH, COMING FORWARD WITH THAT EFFORT.
AND, AND, AND ALSO JUST THE IMPROVEMENTS ALSO THE FUEL CANOPY ALSO TO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
I MEAN, IT JUST GOING THAT MUCH MORE ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND I THINK IT IS, UH, IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING PEOPLE SEE MANY TIMES A DAY HERE IN OUR CITY AND IT'S, THIS IS, UH, A VAST IMPROVEMENT.
NEXT ITEM SEVEN ZONING, SEVEN, EIGHT CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
I DID SHUT AN EIGHT INSTEAD OF 16 WHEN I MADE THE MOTION.
LET ME RESEND THAT MOTION AND I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
IT'S BEEN MOVED TO APPROVE ITEM SIX A BY A COMMISSIONER.
CYTO SECONDED BY, UM, VICE CHAIR, MCCALL.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.[7A. Consider and possible action on a recommendation to the City Council regarding arequest by Stephen Buffum, P.E. of Costello Inc. to rezone approximately 201.4 acresof land from Agriculture ‘A’ to Single Family Residential-1 ‘R-1-1’ for propertylocated at 1899 Six Creeks Blvd, in Hays County, Texas. (Blanco River RanchProperties, LP - Z-22-0097)]
NEXT ITEM SEVEN ZONING SEVEN, EIGHT CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION.ON, ON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY STEVEN BUFFAM P E OF, UH, OF, UM, COSTELLO, INC TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 200, 1.4 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURE A TO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ONE R ONE, ONE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 8, 9, 9, 6 CREEKS BOULEVARD AND HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS BLANCA RIVER RANCH PROPERTIES LP DASH Z DASH TWO TWO DASH 0 0 9 7.
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
UM, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME UP NOW SEEING NONE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
SO BEFORE YOU, UH, UH, WILL I CONSIDERED SENIOR PLANNER? I ALWAYS JUMPED THE GUN ON THAT.
I ALWAYS HAVE TO ANNOUNCE MYSELF FOR AS PETITION A NUMBER OF Z DASH 22 DASH 0 0 9 7 FOR 18 99, 6 WEEKS OF BOULEVARD.
UM, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UH, MR. GARRETT, THIS IS, UH, A REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 200, 1.4 ACRES FROM WILL BE AG TWO, A ZONING, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ONE.
IT'S OUR LARGEST, UM, STANDARD SUBDIVISION ZONING THAT WE HAVE FROM A LOT SIZE PERSPECTIVE.
UH, RIGHT HERE IS THE VICINITY MAP.
UM, I'LL BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT THERE.
UM, IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SIX CREEKS AREA, UM, PHASE ONE IS WHAT'S BEING BUILT IN BETWEEN HERE AND THE HASH MARKED AND THE HASH MARK IS THE A 201 ACRES.
UM, IT'S HIGHER END HOMES AND THE EVENTUAL PLAN IS GOING TO LOOP AROUND ON ITSELF AND THEN CUT ACROSS, UM, THE FM ONE 50 BYPASS EVENTUALLY AS WELL AS A SIDE NOTE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO NOTE THAT FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, IN THE PROCESSING OF THESE REQUESTS, THE ANNEXATION IS NOT QUITE COMPLETE, WHICH IS WHY YOU DO NOT SEE A ZONING MAP SHOWN ON THE STAFF REPORT FOR STUFF AROUND IT.
UM, THE, THE ZONING, THERE'S NO ZONING AROUND IT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THIS STUFF IS NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WITH A PHASE ONE, BUT THIS PROJECT WILL BE NOW THE ANIK, THE FIRST RATE OF ANNEXATION HAPPENED IN JANUARY.
SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED FROM AN ANNEXATION STANDPOINT FROM DOCUMENTS ARE NOT QUITE WRAPPED UP AND WHICH INCLUDE THE SECOND READING OF THE TERS ZONING, WHICH IS A SPECIAL FINANCING DISTRICT.
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE DISTRICT, WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO BE WRAPPED UP ON THE 22ND OF MARCH.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TWO SPECIAL FINANCING DISTRICTS TO HELP FUND ALL THAT EXTRA INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED.
AND THE ANNEXATION WILL BE WRAPPED UP ALSO ON THE 22ND OF MARCH.
ALL THOSE ITEMS WILL PROCEED THIS ZONING REQUEST, WHICH WILL BE FIRST READ ALSO ON THE 22ND OF MARCH.
UM, SO WHEN Y'ALL MAKE YOUR MOTION IS GOING TO BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE ZONING REQUEST CONDITIONING CONDITIONALLY UPON FINAL APPROVAL OF ANNEXATION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL DONE IN THE PROPER ORDER.
UM, IT JUST A LITTLE, A COUPLE OF NITPICKY THINGS ON ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE NEED INTERNALLY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ON THE AGENDA ALSO AT THE END OF THE MONTH, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
UH, WE DID TALK WITH, UM, LEGAL ABOUT IT.
UH, JUST OUR TIMEFRAME HAS GOT A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT FLAKY AT THE VERY END.
SO, SO THE IS A, UM, PER THE PER THE ZONING DISTRICT IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT HAS A MINIMUM OF 1600 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING AREA AND A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 8,190 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WITH 80 FOOT WIDE LOTS, THE COMP PLAN, UM, DOES ALLOW THIS AS A CONSIDERATION.
UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDED, BUT WE CAN CONSIDER IT AT, BY ALL MEANS THAT WITH A COMP PLAN AND STEP DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT CONSIDERING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE WASTEWATER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE WATER TO THE SITE.
SO THAT INCREASING THE DENSITY FROM WHAT NORMALLY WOULD OTHERWISE BE EITHER AG, WHICH IS AN ACRE SIZED LOT OR URBAN ESTATE, WHICH IS UAE, WHICH IS HALF ACRE.
IT MAKES SENSE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE ON OUR END FOR WHAT THE REQUEST IS.
UM, IT IS IN THE SENSITIVE SUSTAINABLE LAND USE DISTRICT, UM, WHICH MEANS, UM, THEY NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL
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ABOUT HOW THEY DEVELOP THE SITE.UH, THE PROJECT WILL BE CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL CLUSTERS ZONING OR THE SUBDIVISION, EXCUSE ME, WHICH MEANS THE HOUSES WILL BE CLUSTERED TO HELP BETTER PRESERVE, UH, GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE.
THIS AREA IS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE HILL COUNTRY, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF CANYON TYPE KENYA LANE RAVINES THROUGHOUT THIS, THIS PROPERTY AS AN OVERALL PROJECT.
SO THEY WILL BE PRESERVING THOSE FOR BOTH, UM, GREEN SPACE AND ALSO FOR AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS AND FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL, UH, FROM TRAIL SYSTEM AS WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, FROM A, UM, SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS OVER THE EDWARDS AQUIFER.
SO THEY HAVE TO NOT ONLY HAVE WATER DETENTION PONDS, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE WATER QUALITY PONDS ALONG WITH THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY STORMWATER HAS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO, UH, FILTER THROUGH THIS THEIR DETENTION SYSTEM.
AND ALSO GET BACK DOWN INTO THE AQUIFER WITH MINIMAL POLLUTION.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND TCEQ AT THE STATE'S GONNA MAKE THEM DO IT.
SO, UM, IT, AS STUFF HAPPENS IN DEVELOPS ALONG THIS PORTION OF THE CITY OF KYLE, PRETTY MUCH ALL DEVELOPMENTS GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE FOR THAT.
UH, STAFF HAS, UM, IS ISN'T FULLY, FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UM, WHILE THE, THE ANNEX, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, NOT SHOWING THEM BACK IN MATERIAL, CAUSE IT'S NOT QUITE COMPLETE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS IN THERE RELATED TO BUILDING A PORTION OF THE FUTURE FM ONE 50 BYPASS, A COUPLE PORTIONS OF SIX CREEKS BOULEVARD, UM, A PORTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL, A LOT OF WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S OFFSITE THAT THEY HAVE TO CONSTRUCT, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE ASKING AGAIN FOR THOSE PUBLIC FINANCING DISTRICTS THAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
SO SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD ONCE THE SUBDIVISION IS LAID OUT, IT WILL COME BACK TO US, CORRECT? YES.
AS, AS, AS TYPICAL, UM, STAFF, AFTER THE ZONING AND ANNEXATION AND ALL THESE OTHER DOCUMENTS ARE IN PLACE, THEY WILL BE SUBMITTING, UM, PRELIMINARY PLANS AND FINAL PLATS THAT YOU WILL SEE, UH, IT WILL GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW AND IT WILL BE PLACED ON AGENDAS FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
UM, IS IT GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER OUT HERE AS WELL? YEAH.
UH, THE, UM, I HAVE TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, THE, I WANT TO SAY IT'S 50% FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT IS MAX PER LOT, SO YEAH.
OUR I'M GOING TO QUOTE OUR MODERN DAY CODE FROM 2003.
ALL I WAS THE ONLY DISTRICTS HAVE A HAVING PREVIOUS COVER MAXIMUM, SO OKAY.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S OVER THE ROCKFORD AND ALL THAT'S FOR SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? WITH THE MOTION? YES, SIR.
UH, I MOVED TO APPROVE ITEMS SEVEN, EIGHT CONDITIONING ON THE APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION ON MARCH 22ND.
IF YOU'RE ALIGNED, I WOULD REMOVE THE DATE SPECIFIC.
WE HAD IT FULLY JUST SUBMITTED TO BE FULLY WRAPPED UP, BUT JUST IN CASE WE DON'T WANT HAMSTRING OURSELVES.
IT'S BEEN MOVED TO APPROVE WITH THE ADDENDUM, UM, THAT THE ANNEXATION IS APPROVED FIRST.
UH, IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY, THANK YOU.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? UM, JUST MYSELF PERSONALLY.
I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF, OF SEEING A DIVERSITY IN ZONINGS.
USUALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, OFFERING DIFFERENT FORMS OF HOUSING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOMES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO MAKE THINGS MORE AFFORDABLE, BUT I THINK SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THEMSELVES, AREN'T ALL THE SAME EITHER.
AND SO TO HAVE A DIVERSITY, NOT JUST ALL, ALL OUR ONE-THREE, ALL OUR ONE TO, I THINK OUR ONE-ON-ONE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION IS LIKE, IT CAN BE A VERY GOOD FIT FOR OUR CITY.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
[7B. Consider and possible action on a recommendation to the City Council regarding arequest by Jeffrey Howard of McLean & Howard LLP, to rezone approximately 259acres of land from Agriculture 'A' to Planned Unit Development 'PUD' for propertylocated at 5260 Hillside Terrace, in Hays County, Texas. (Hillside Terrace - Zoning -Z-21-0090)]
NEXT ITEM SEVEN.BE CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY JEFFREY HOWARD OF MCLEAN AND HOWARD LLP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 259 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURE, A TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5, 2 6, 0 HILLSIDE TERRACE AND
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HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS HILLSIDE TERRACE ZONING DASH DIZZY DASH TWO ONE DASH 0 0 9 0.UM, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE YOU MAY COME UP AND SPEAK NOW THIS AREA IN A RURAL PLACE, UH, I ENJOYED THE COUNTRY.
UH, AND I UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.
WE NEED THINGS TO COME TO OUR SOCIETY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP OUR STANDARD OF LIVING JUST BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME GROWTH AROUND MY PROPERTY.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENED CLOSE TO ME, UH, I SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS.
HE, HE WAS GONNA GO FISH ON THE ACRE AND A HALF POND THAT WAS BEHIND MY HOUSE, NOT ON MY PROPERTY, BUT I KNEW THE MAN THAT LIVED THERE.
I FISHED THERE, UH, USED TO CATCH BASS.
ANY CHILD COULD GO OUT WITH SOME WORMS AND CATCH SOME PERCH, RIGHT? AS MANY AS YOU WANT, UH, HE SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE A GREEN AREA WHERE THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD ENJOY THAT HIS IDEA OF A GREEN AREA WAS A WASTE, UH, A WASTEWATER FACILITY.
AND IT HAS SCRAP ROCK AND SCRAP SUBMIT DUMPED ON IT.
IT'S NOT KEPT, THEY DRAIN THE LAKE, THEY KILLED ALL THE FISH AND IT'S PRETTY WELL, JUST A LITTLE MUD PUDDLE WITH A BUNCH OF WEEDS.
UH, I REALLY WASN'T OKAY WITH THAT.
UH, I SAW WHAT WAS SAID, AND THEN I SAW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE RIFT RAFT THAT CAME IN BEHIND IT.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME ONTO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT MAINTAINED, NOT POLICED.
THERE'S NO HOUSES REALLY CLOSE TO IT.
IT'S THAT FROM MIND, WHICH I'M RECESS FROM IT.
UH, ALEX, MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME, HE, HIS SON HAS TO DRIVE HIS TRUCK OCCASIONALLY BACK THERE AND SAY, OH, WHAT ARE YOU DOING BACK HERE? AND THEN THEY LEAVE.
I'VE HAD TO WALK TO THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY AND WONDER WHY SOMEONE'S PARKED BACK THERE.
AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT UP TO WHOLESOME ACTIVITIES BECAUSE USUALLY IT ONLY TAKES ME STANDING AT MY FENCE LINE AND LOOKING AT THEM FOR THEM TO START THEIR VEHICLE AND THOSE THINGS.
AREN'T GOOD FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD ON TOP OF THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THERE HAS TO BE WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT, BUT MY QUIET BACK DECK HAS NOW BEEN INVADED BY AN INCESSANT BUZZING NOISE MEASURED AT 50 TO 60 DECIMALS, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.
IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME, BUT IT'S AN IRRITANT.
THEN I TALKED TO ANOTHER NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME, DEVELOPERS WANTING TO BUY HIS PROPERTY TO EXPAND THE WASTEWATER FACILITY.
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THAT'S FINE.I KNOW WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR WASTEWATER, BUT AM I GOING TO HAVE 1, 2, 3 MORE? WHAT'S THE DECIMAL RATING? WHAT IS THE NOISE THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ON MY WANTS, QUIET BACK DECK IN THIS FACILITY THAT THEY WANT TO PUT THERE.
I, LIKE I SAID, I'M OKAY, BUT CAN WE PUT SOME STANDARDS IN PLACE OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE PLANS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ARE, BUT I KNOW WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE AROUND ME.
AM I GOING TO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH MORE NOISE? WHAT'S THE STANDARDS I UNDERSTAND 50 TO 60 DECIMALS IS WITHIN THE STANDARDS, BUT IF THEY PUT 2, 3, 4 MORE, IS IT GOING TO EXCEED THAT? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ADEQUATE MUFFLERS, ADEQUATE AREA AROUND IT? SOMETHING TO DEADEN THE NOISE, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME AS A HOMEOWNER IN THE AREA, I WANT TO HAVE GOOD COMMUNITIES.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE JUNK PILES.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE SCRAP SUMMIT OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A GREEN AREA, THEN MAKE IT A GREEN AREA.
AND THEY A SMALL PORTION JUST AROUND THE FACILITY.
BUT THE REST OF IT IS BASICALLY THESE TALL WEEDS WHERE PEOPLE CAN PULL OFF THE ROAD AND DO THINGS, WHATEVER THEY DO IN THEIR CARS.
I AM IRRITATED BY THE STRUCTURE THAT IS BEEN PLACED BEHIND ME.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT AN UNREASONABLE MAN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREEN AREA, THAT WE HAVE A GREEN HAIR HERE.
SO HE SAID SPECIFICALLY, A PLACE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD ENJOY.
NOW, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I DO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT WALK BY AND THEY WALK THEIR DOGS BACK THERE.
BUT IN THE MOST PART, IT'S AN UNUSABLE AREA THAT IS PLACED BEHIND MY PROPERTY, WHERE PEOPLE COME TO DO QUESTIONABLE THINGS.
I'VE HAD TO ERECT A FENCE BEHIND MY PROPERTY.
CAUSE I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WANDER ONTO MY PROPERTY.
OH, IS THIS YOUR PROPERTY? OH YES, IT IS.
RIGHT? WE HAVE TO BUILD FENCES TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF OUR PROPERTIES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHOLESOME NEIGHBORHOODS PUT IN THINGS TO BE CONTROLLED NOISE LEVELS, TO BE CONTROLLED INSTEAD OF JUST DROWNING OUT AND MAKING A JUNK KEEP, I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS.
WHENEVER YOU THINK ABOUT REZONING, THIS I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING HOUSES AROUND ME.
EVERYBODY LIKES NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE KNOW OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING.
WE, WE HAVE BUSINESSES EVERYWHERE THAT NEED EMPLOYEES.
WE NEED THESE THINGS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE BE THESE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? UM, YOU MAY COME BACK DOWN.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, TO, SORRY.
IT WAS, IT WAS POSTPONED OR, OH YEAH.
A MOTION TO RECESS TO MAKE THE 10TH.
I'M GOING TO MOTION TO RECESS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO, UH, THE MAY 10TH MEETING.
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SECOND.IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MYSELF, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.
UH, JAMES, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
[8A. Discussion only regarding Planning and Zoning Commission request for future agendaitems.]
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.UH, EIGHT, EIGHT DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON A FUTURE AGENDA? YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, UM, ADJUST OUR ZONING TO WHERE M ONE M TWO AN M THREE ARE THREE SEPARATE ZONING REQUESTS.
SO SOMEONE DOESN'T COME IN AND SAY, WE WANT M TO M THREE.
THEY ACTUALLY COME IN AND DECLARE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THAT PROPERTY.
DO YOU HAVE JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WOULD BE A DUAL ZONING REQUEST WHERE THEY COULD HAVE A MIX OR WERE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING STANDARDS.
PLEASE, PLEASE TURN YOUR MIC ON.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING STANDARDS IN THE WORKSHOP AND WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE BUILDING A STANDARDS APPLIED TO BOTH OF THEM, IF THEY WERE GOING TO COME IN AND REQUEST THAT BECAUSE IF, IF THE BUILDING STANDARDS CAN NOT APPLY TO ONE OF THEM, THEN I WOULD WANT THAT A SEPARATE REQUEST.
ANY OTHER? YES, VICE-CHAIRMAN.
UM, I JUST HAVE SORT OF GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT FOLLOWUP FROM OUR, UM, DISCUSSION WITH COUNT CITY COUNCIL ON WHERE WE'RE GOING IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE WITH THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, UM, WE HAVE LET, UM, REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN D REDESIGN, UM, THAT BG K ARCHITECTS IS, HAS THE CONTRACT ON RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE DID LET THEM KNOW THAT COUNCIL, UH, GAVE DIRECTION TO, UM, AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME AND THERE'LL BE COORDINATING WITH US SO WE CAN PUT IT ON AN AGENDA TO, TO MEET WITH Y'ALL AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE AND AN INPUT.
SO THEY, THEY HAVEN'T LET US KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN.
AND WE, THIS AMBER LEWIS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM NEXT WEEK AND THEY'RE GOING TO MEET WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT'LL BE INVOLVED.
UM, AND ALSO THE CITY'S ENGINEER, ARCHITECTS, UH, EVERYBODY THAT MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT ON DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO HAVE THIS MEETING TOGETHER SO WE CAN ALL MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, ALL THE SAME INFORMATION.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WELL, SOMEONE FROM THE PNC BE INVITED TO THAT MEETING, NOT AT THIS MEETING, BUT YOU WILL BE INVITED.
WE, WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.
YES MA'AM AND THEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THAT YES.
UM, SO THE RFQ IS DUE ON THURSDAY AT TWO O'CLOCK.
SO APPLICANTS, POTENTIAL APPLICANTS FOR THAT HAVING TILL TWO O'CLOCK ON THURSDAY TO GET IT IN.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON FUTURE AGENDA? I AM SORRY.
UM, BATHROOMS IN DOWNTOWN BY THE PARK.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT VERY BRIEFLY.
UM, LIKE PUBLIC RESTROOMS FOR PEOPLE USING THE PARK.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DISCUSS FURTHER.
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UM, I DON'T REMEMBER NINE SELF REPORT, UH, NINE, EIGHT STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, CITY PLANNER, UH, SENIOR PLANNER.UH, THE BIGGEST THING I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS THE COMP PLAN RFQ IS DUE ON THURSDAY BY TWO O'CLOCK.
UM, THAT'S PRIMARILY, UM, WE DO, I THINK WE WERE CONSIDERING AT ONE POINT, UM, HAVING, UM, A WORKSHOP AT THE END OF APRIL AS WELL.
UM, IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECTLY, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT ITEMS APPROPRIATELY FOR THAT.
UM, COUNCIL DID PASS A NEW, UH, PNC COMMISSIONER, UH, POLICY.
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SO ARE BOARDS AND COMMISSION POLICY, EXCUSE ME.UM, SO, UM, THAT IS MOVING FORWARD.
UH, WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT THAT WE KNOW OF SPECIFICALLY.
UM, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS TIME.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT MOVING FORWARD IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONTROLLED BY COUNCIL, HOW THEY INTERVIEW IT, HOW THEY INTERVIEWED PEOPLE, THEY ASSIGN.
UM, BUT AS WE, IF WE FIND OUT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE SIGNING UP, WE WILL ALSO LET YOU ALL KNOW TOO.
DO WE HAVE AN IDEA AS THE TIMEFRAME? SO IT RFQ IT'S DUE ON THURSDAY AND THEN DO WE KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENS FROM THERE? YES.
UM, WE'LL BE, UH, LOOKING AT THOSE, UM, AT THE RFQ THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL, IF, AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO TAKE OVER HERE BECAUSE I HOPEFULLY STAFF WILL REVIEW THOSE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR, UM, MARCH 22ND MEETING AND ASK FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ENGAGE WITH A FIRM.
UM, I GUESS ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS, LIKE REMODELED DOWNTOWN THE COMP PLAN, UM, WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND LIKE MAKE ALL THESE NICE STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THERE'S STILL THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, PAPA, JACKS, UM, HOW DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT BUILDING AND, UM, WHAT WE CAN KIND OF EXPECT RIGHT NOW, IT'S PRETTY EARLY IN THAT PROCESS WITH THEM.
UM, WE'RE ENGAGED IN CONVERSATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TWIDDLING OUR THUMBS, BUT, UM, THEY, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE BEGINNING TALKS TO THEM.
SO, AND JUST GENERALLY AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT SUBDIVISIONS BEFORE THEY COME TO US.
SO FOR AWARENESS, UM, I'M A BIG FAN OF RELOADED HOUSES BECAUSE I THINK FRONT PORCHES HAVE SHOWN TO BE THE EYES ON THE STREET AND TO IMPROVE STREET SAFETY.
AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GREAT.
UH, AND, AND I'M A FAN OF DENSITY.
I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE, BUT I'M SEEING SUBDIVISIONS COME IN WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, NARROW STREETS AND THE MOST MINUSCULE DRIVEWAYS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I'M FOR DENSITY.
I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS.
FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE HOMES, THE ISSUE BECOMES PEOPLE ARE EXCITED.
THEY MIGHT BE GETTING THEIR FIRST HOME.
IT MAY BE THIS KIND OF A BOOM ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT'S ALL THEY CAN GET.
AND THEY JUST, OH MY GOD, WE GOT ACCEPTED.
AND SO THEY GET THIS HOUSE AND THEY'RE EXCITED AND THEY HAVE CHILDREN, BUT THEN THOSE CHILDREN GROW UP AND THEY BECOME TEENAGERS AND THEY NEED A CAR.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THE THIRD CAR BECAUSE WHILE WE DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY OR A STREET, AND SO PEOPLE HAVE TO SELL THEIR HOMES, WE WANT HOMES AND KYLE LONG-TERM THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN, RAISE THEIR CHILDREN AND MAYBE STAY NOT THAT, OH, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON BECAUSE THE HOUSE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PARK HERE ANYMORE.
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.
LONG-TERM FOR KYLE, THAT HOMES BE LIVABLE.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S ONE OR TWO PROJECTS THAT I WON'T BE NAME NAMING ON THE DICE, BUT THAT, UM, HAS CAUSED US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT ADEQUATELY REVIEWING STUFF AND WHERE WE CAN, WE WILL DO THAT.
AND IF WE NEED TO CHANGE CODES TO ADEQUATELY REFLECT THAT AS WELL, IT WE'LL HAVE OUR SUPPORT NOW.
UH, WE, WE FULLY HEAR YOU AND AS PROJECTS COME FORWARD, WE MAKE SURE THAT, UM, DEVELOPERS ARE FULLY AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
UM, WE DO HAVE PARKING RATIOS IN OUR CODES.
UH, WE ALSO, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, WE HAVE, UM, MINIMUM STALL DEPTH AND WITH THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE PARKING RATIO IS IF, BUT IF IT COMES OUT TO THE ATTEMPT TWO AND A HALF PARKING SPACES AS WELL, BY DEFAULT, REALLY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THREE, RIGHT? SO, CAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE HALF A PARKING SPACE WITH OUR MINIMUM, UM, UH, DEPTH AND WIDTH.
SO, UM, WE, WE MAKE SURE THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT.
AND SO THAT WAY, IF THEY ARE ANY, ARE ALREADY PLANNING FOR THAT, THEY DO ADJUST THEIR PLANS.
10 ADJOURNMENT MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY, UM, MR. JAMES CHASE.
IT'S SECONDED BY, UH, VICE-CHAIR MCCALL.
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ALL OPPOSED.