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ALL RIGHT.[1. Call Meeting To Order]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, MAYBE WE HAVE, MAYBE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
TIMMINS MARTHA ROSA SNYDER GARA HERE, NICOLE HERE, JAMES CHASE HERE.
[3. Minutes]
NUMBER THREE MINUTES.WE HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES FOR MARCH 8TH, 2022.
REGULAR MEETING MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE.
YES, I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UM, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER, CHASE AND SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[4. Citizen Comments]
ITEM.NUMBER FOUR, CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UM, AT THIS TIME, ANY CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ARE WELCOME TO WE ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A, UH, COMMENT FORM.
WE ALSO ASK THAT WHEN YOU DO COME UP THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES, THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
UH, DEX ELLISON, RESIDENT OF CITY OF KYLE AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, GIVING HIM TO YOU ALL.
I'M NOT GOING TO STICK AROUND VERY LONG, BUT I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL BOARD AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE AS WELL.
SO, UH, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE EXCITED TO GET MARIO AND JACK ON BOARD, AND I WANT TO WELCOME YOU OFFICIALLY IN YOUR CAPACITY NOW AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE THROUGH THAT GRUELING, UH, CONTEST LAST NIGHT.
UH, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL STICKING AROUND AND YOUR EFFORTS AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE IN A COMPANY WITH OTHER GREAT INDIVIDUALS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT SERVE US WELL.
AND WE'RE SO EXCITED TO HAVE THIS BOARD, UH, GOING FORWARD NOW.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO, UH, SHARE MY GRATITUDE TO YOU ALL AGAIN.
I'LL LET YOU ALL GET TO WORK AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS? OKAY.
[5. Executive Session]
EXECUTIVE SESSION FIVE EIGHT EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE FIVE ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY REGARDING PROCEDURAL MATTERS RELATED TO CONSIDER A PROCESS.CONSIDER A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A COMBINED TOTAL OF A 19,120 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE, CONVENIENCE STORE, FUEL CANOPY AND SITE PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THE
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP 2 2 0 0 5 3.
WE WILL BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION NOW
[6. Consent]
ORDER WE'VE RE RECONVENED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.WE RECONVENING INTO OPEN SESSION.
UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX, SIX IS CONSENT.
WE HAVE CONSENT A THROUGH E MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS. UH, ARE ITEM SIX, A THREE SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TIMMINS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[7A. Consider a request to construct a 2,518 square feet restaurant with related siteimprovements including a drive-thru window located at within the I-35 overlaydistrict. (Pollo Campero - 19000 IH 35 - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-22-0054)]
NUMBER SEVEN.SEVEN EIGHT CONSIDER REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A 2,518 SQUARE FEET RESTAURANT WITH RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW LOCATED AT, WITHIN THE
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP 2 2 0 0 5 4.
WELL, I CAN SYNCING SENIOR POINTING FOR THE RECORD.
SO, UH, AS A CHAIRPERSON, GARRETT JUST SAID STATED, UH, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF RENDERINGS AND ELEVATIONS FOR POLIO.
COMPARE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
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SEE ON THE SCREEN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON YOUR MONITORS AS WELL.UM, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY, SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, UM, SO RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE, YOU SEE AN OLDER VERSION OF A SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION OF POLIO
UH, EVO IS UP TO THE PLAN AT NORTHWEST AND THEN DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF MID-BLOCK, UM, RIGHT ON LOT FIVE AS IT'S SHOWN ON THE DRAWING IS THE LOCATION OF HOW YOU COMPARE.
OH, IT'S UH, IF YOU'RE AWARE OF WHERE EVO IS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, NORTHEAST OF THERE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THIS OUTBOUND ACCESS ROAD RIGHT HERE IS, UH, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR, FROM A BLOWN UP VIEW OF THE POLE.
YOU COMPARE WHAT'S AN INTERNAL LOT, HAS MULTIPLE POINTS OF ACCESS TO IT.
UM, THE ZONING IS GOOD AND SO THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO RIGHT HERE WE HAVE, UM, THE EAST FACE OF THE ELEVATION.
UM, IT'S A MIX OF CMU, UM, SOME FIBER CEMENT PANELS THAT ALSO HAS A LITTLE BIT OF STUCCO, UH, MULTIPLE COLORS.
UM, IT'S PER THERE IS PER THEIR GENERAL, UM, BRANDING.
HE WAS PERFECTLY FINE WITH IT AND WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT.
UM, IT IS A RESTAURANT FROM A ARCHITECTURAL COLORS AND INTENT.
IT EXCEEDS THE, UH, THE I 35 OVERLAY.
UH, HERE IS THE, UM, HERE'S THE SOUTHERN FACADE OF THE, UH, THEIR DRIVE THROUGH A WRAPAROUND FROM THE PLAN LEFT.
AND THE CARS WILL COME UP TO THE WINDOW.
THERE, HERE IS, UH, THE WEST ELEVATION THE REAR SIDE OF IT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM COSTCO NOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THAT AND ALL THAT.
SO, AND RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS SHOWING WHAT, UM, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
WE BUILT ENVIRONMENT ARE GONNA HAVE AN OUTDOOR PATIO AREA SEATING AND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE GENERALLY MATCHES MATERIALS AS IT SHOULD PROBABLY ONLY THREE TO FIVE OVERLAY AS THE MAIN BUILDING AS WELL, AND THEN PICTURES OF COLORS AND, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED AND ALSO THE, UH, MATERIALS AS WELL.
UM, IT NEEDS THE INTENT AND THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU'LL APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE.
UH, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SEVEN A AS PRESENTED SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHAY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES TO APPROVE A SEVEN A, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[7B. Consider a request to construct a combined total of 1,392,264 square feet of warehousespace (5 buildings) and site plan located within the I-35 overlay district. (AllianceIndustrial Company- 24801 IH-35 - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-22-0051)]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, BEAT CONSIDER REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A COMBINED TOTAL OF 1,392,264 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE SPACE, FIVE BUILDINGS.AND THE SITE PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THE
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C U P DASH TWO TWO DASH 0 0 5 1.
UH, WELL I CAN SEND FOR THE RECORDS TO YOUR CLEANER.
UM, THIS IS THE ALLIANCE INDUSTRIAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
NOW IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE BACK, THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UH, THE ALLIANCE GROUP CAME FORWARD AND ASKED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A HEIGHT EXCEPTION, UH, TO GO FROM THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET TO 50 FEET, WHICH, UH, Y'ALL AS THE RECOMMENDATION BODY IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEY IN TURN FOR THE HEIGHT INCREASE, APPROVE THAT AS WELL.
NOW, IN THIS CASE, WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT THE FACADE AND THIS IS, IT STOPS WITH Y'ALL ON THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CLARITY THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OPTION.
WE HAVE THE OTHER TYPE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO, UM, THIS PROPERTY, UM, IT'S LOCATED AT 24 8 0 1 35.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE CITY, THIS IS JUST NORTH OF YARRINGTON ROAD.
UH, FOR RESIDENTS WHO'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE OLD RACETRACK THAT WE HAD.
UH, THERE USED TO BE FESTIVALS OUT THERE QUITE FREQUENTLY AS WELL.
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THIS IS RIGHT BEHIND THE HYUNDAI DEALERSHIP.UH, THIS SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, UM, SHOWS THEM, UH, GONNA, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING, TAKING THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS THE RACETRACK AND MAKING IT INTO, UM, A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEY'RE ALSO CREATING A SECTION OF ROAD ON THE GO NORTH, SOUTH ON THE EASTERN BOUND AREA AS WELL OF THE PROPERTY, OR THEY HAVE FIVE BUILDINGS TOTAL.
UM, THIS IS, UH, THE ZONING'S FOR WAREHOUSE IT'S FOR LOGISTICS, UM, AND RELATED ITEMS LIKE THAT FOR WAREHOUSING THAT YOU SEE IS GOING TO BE THE GIANT TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND PLUS SQUARE FEET BUILDINGS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MASSIVE AND THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ZONING AND THE APPLICANT, UH, THEIR RENDERINGS ALSO MEET AND EXCEED THE I THREE TO FIVE OVERLAY AS WELL.
SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE, UH, I THINK, CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT ON YOUR SCREEN NOW? OH, GREAT.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF ELEVATIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO FOR FIRST, FOR TIMES CONSTRAINTS SAKE, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM IF YOU WANT TO, BUT THE RENDERINGS PRETTY MUCH EMBODYING WHAT EACH BUILDING LOOKS LIKE JUST ON A DIFFERENT SCALE.
SO, UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF ARTICULATION, A LOT OF BUMP-OUTS DIFFERENT DESIGN COMPONENTS FROM A COLOR PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF METAL FINISHED RATION HERE AND THERE, BUT THEY, THEY ABSOLUTELY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE I THERE FIVE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OVERLAY.
UH, HERE'S A SIDE VIEW OF ONE OF THE CORNERS, ANOTHER ONE FOR A DIFFERENT BUILDING I CLOSE UP AND THAT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IT.
WHEN YOU GET TO BUILDINGS OF THIS SCALE, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS, THERE THERE'S A LOT OF, AND IT CAN GET EVEN FOR SOMEONE WITH, WITH OUR STAFF WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM AND WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE BUILDINGS OF THE SCALE, THEY GET COMPLICATED VERY FAST.
SO I'M ASKING THAT YOU TRUST ME TO THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY COMPLIANT.
UM, AND, UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, SO THEY'RE TAKING THE ROAD THAT USED TO BE THE ROAD YOU WOULD TAKE TO THE RACE TRACK.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO TURN THAT INTO AN ACTUAL ROAD, A PUBLIC ROAD.
THE PUBLIC ROAD, BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME LARGE VEHICLES GOING DOWN THIS AND THE RACETRACK ROAD IS NOT W W W W WILL NOT BE SUFFICIENT FOR THAT.
UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S TECHNICALLY DRIVEWAY.
WELL, NO, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE RECORDED THE PLAT.
SO IT'S TECHNICALLY RIGHT AWAY AND THEY'RE MAKING PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW FOR THE PLANS THAT WE'VE APPROVED AND ALSO GO FOR THROAT GOING SOUTH OF THERE IS GOING TO HIT YARRINGTON ROAD AS WELL.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE WITH WHEN THIS SITE-SPECIFIC IS COMPLETE, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO ENTRANCES INTO IT FROM TWO DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE TOO.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LEVI, HERMES WITH ALLIANCE.
UM, YES, IF LI UH, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK LEVI, UH, ABOUT, ABOUT THE ROAD OR THE ENTRANCES, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WILL, DIDN'T, DIDN'T MENTION, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABLE TO NOW, IF YOU'D LIKE, ARE THERE THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, NOW WE'LL REALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
UM, WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW ON THOSE, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT-AWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
THE TWO ROADS, UH, EAST WEST ROAD OFF OF
AND THEN THE NORTH SOUTH ROAD ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY WILL BE, UH, CALLED GOFORTH ROAD.
UM, BOTH ARE, ARE AMPLY WIDE FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC, UM, AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY, MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
HOW ABOUT FOR, FOR THE BUILDINGS OF SCALE? THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS.
UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, WITH A MOTION? YES, SIR.
WE APPROVE ITEMS SEVEN B SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SIDO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[7C. Consider a request to repaint approximately 158,583 square feet (Wal-Mart SuperCenter - 5574 Kyle Parkway) and approximately 700 square feet (Fuel Area Store andFuel Canopy - 20585 IH-35) located within the I-35 overlay district. (Conditional UsePermit - CUP-21-0043)]
NUMBER SEVEN C UH, CONSIDER REQUEST TO REPAINT APPROXIMATELY 158,583 SQUARE FEET.WALMART SUPER CENTER 5 5 7, 4,
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KYLE PARKWAY, AND APPROXIMATELY 700 SQUARE FEET FUEL AREAS, STORE AND FUEL CANOPY 2 0 5 8 5.MR. ATKINSON, WE'LL ATKINSON FOR THE RECORDS TO YOUR PLANNER.
UM, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE DO THE FACADE APPROVALS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT IS A BRAND NEW BUILD FROM SCRATCH.
THIS WALMART HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.
UM, IT WAS BUILT THIS CENTURY, UM, MAYBE EVEN POST 2010 IF I'M REMEMBERING IT CORRECTLY.
UM, BUT THEY ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR A REPAINT APPROVAL.
UM, THE
UM, AND SO, UH, THEY WERE FALLING WHEN IT SEEMED TO BE, UH, THEIR CORPORATE COLORS.
SO THEY GOT THE TRADITIONAL MIX OF GRAYS AND BLUES, AND THEY GOT THE YELLOW SUNBURST.
THE, THAT WALMART HAS, UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF IT, THE ADMINISTRATION, THE ARTICULATIONS, THAT PART WAS ALREADY THERE, BUT THAT IN COMBINATION WITH THE PAINT, IT'S, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH, THEY WANT TO DO IT, IT MEETING IT, EXCEEDS CODES, THE CODE, UM, THEY, IT, ON A BUILDING OF THIS SCALE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL, BUT THE BANDING ON IT, ACTUALLY, IT'S KINDA HARD TO TELL EVEN ON THE SCREEN THERE, UM, THE BANDING, THEY HAVE, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GRAY.
SO I DID TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THAT, WANTING TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET IT TO POP A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEY DID CHANGE IT ACTUALLY.
SO THIS IS AN IMPROVED VERSION OF IT.
THE BIGGEST PART WAS ON THE BACK THAT THEY ASKED WHAT WE WANTED THEM TO DO.
ARE THEY A C D EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE? SO, UM, NO PROBLEMS WITH, WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, AND WE ASKED THAT Y'ALL APPROVE THAT AS PRESENTED, AND THERE'S ALSO THE, THE FUEL CANOPY, UM, AND THE STORE AS WELL FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
AND I'LL THROW THIS ON THE SCREEN, UH, FUEL CAN BE AS, ARE PRETTY, PRETTY SIMPLE TO, TO REVIEW AS WELL.
SO ANY QUESTIONS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
THEY ASK HIM TO REDO THEIR SIGNS AS WELL.
I THOUGHT I SAW THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT FIRST PAGE WHERE THEY HAVE THIS, THOSE SIGNS THERE, SIGN CONTRACTOR, REPLACED, SIGN PANELS, PANELS EACH YEAR.
UM, THEY DO MEET, UM, THE SIGN CODE.
WE HAVE A MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE, UH, PER BUILDING FACE AND PER PANELS AS WELL.
UH, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO AND GET A SEPARATE, UH, SIGNED PERMIT, UH, FOR EACH PANEL THAT'S REPLACED AND FOR EACH SIGN AS WELL.
UM, AND WE'LL REVIEW THOSE AT THAT TIME, BUT FROM THE COLOR PERSPECTIVE, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL BE, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
MAY HAVE A MOTION PLEASE MOVE TO APPROVE.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER GERMANS.
IT HAS BEEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CYTO.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
MOTION PASSES, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN
[7D. Consider a request to construct a combined total of 19,120 square feet of retail space,convenience store, fuel canopy and site plan located within the I-35 overlay district.(Amberwood Retail Center - 18915 IH-35 - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-22-0053)]
D CONSIDER REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A COMBINED TOTAL OF 19,120 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE, CONVENIENCE STORE FUEL CANOPY AND SITE PLAN LOCATED WITHIN THEBEFORE YOU, WE HAVE OUR LAST CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE NIGHT.
THIS IS A RENDERING AND ELEVATION APPROVAL AS WELL.
UH, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE, UM, YOU SEE, ON THE SCREEN IS THE APPROVED SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FROM THE LANDSCAPE CODE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THEY, THEY DO HAVE THE SUFFICIENT SCREENING FROM A LANDSCAPE CODE PERSPECTIVE.
THEY HAVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS COMPLIANT.
THEY, THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THE, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS OR SOME ELEVATIONS TO SHOW.
UM, THEY'VE MET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
IT DOES EXCLUDE THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS.
UM, AND IT DID GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW AND WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD AND TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND WE CLEARED OUR COMMENTS AFTER THE FACT THAT AFTER FURTHER CONSIDERATION, WE KEPT LOOKING AT IT AND, AND, AND I SAY, WE, I SEE HIM, IT'S ME.
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I'M THE ONE WHO DID THIS.UM, IT DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE THREE
THE OD 35 OVERLAY HAS THE TWO COMPONENTS AS THE INTENT AND THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, I'LL THROW THEM UP ON THE SCREEN.
AND IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, EVEN THOUGH THE STAFF MEMO SAYS TO APPROVE THEM, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU'LL MAKE A MOTION CONSIDERING ASKING STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO BETTER MEET THE INTENT OF THE 90% MASONRY ON THE WEST FACES OF THE BUILDING, WHERE IT'S PRIMARILY GLASS.
UH, BUT I'LL THROW THESE UP ON THE SCREEN, UM, AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO AND Y'ALL CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT Y'ALL FIND APPROPRIATE.
ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE FIRST BUILDING BUILDING ONE, UM, THE SOUTH, NORTH AND EAST ELEVATIONS.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM.
STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
THE, THE WEST ELEVATION IS WHERE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN FROM THE, FROM THE INTENT SIDE OF THE, IN SECTION 53 DASH 8, 9, 6, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE PREFER TO SEE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MASONRY ON THAT FACE AND THEN ON THE OTHER BUILDING, UM, THERE'S EVEN LESS SPACE TO READ THAN THE FIRST ONE ON THE WEST FACE AND THAT WHEN WE BELIEVE, UM, NEEDS TO HAVE MORE MASONRY FROM AN INTENT STANDPOINT, UM, I WILL ALSO, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE PROJECT THOUGH.
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
SO WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TABLE THE ITEM AND INSTRUCT FOR THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO BETTER MEET INTENT, CORRECT? YES.
THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION YOU RATE.
SOMEONE MIGHT MAKE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YES.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO, UH, REVISE THEIR, UM, WEST ELEVATION ON BOTH BUILDINGS TO BEAT HER BETTER, MEET THE INTENT OF THE
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOTO.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YES.
DO WE WANT TO ADD MORE DIRECTION? I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THE STAFF TOO.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION GOING TO BE TO THEM GOING BACK TO THEM? IS IT GOING TO BE 50, 50% ADDITIONAL? IS IT, UH, I, I I'VE BEEN ON THE RECEIVING SIDE OF THIS, SO I I'D PREFER, WE GIVE THEM SOME TYPE OF, OF DIRECTION.
UM, I KNOW THIS, THIS DIES MIGHT NOT COME TO A, UM, AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THAT, THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A SPECIFIC NUMBER, BUT I JUST LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO THEM.
I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE IN MIND, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE, AT LEAST ON BUILDING TWO, I'M LOOKING AT THE FACE BRICK AREA ON THE TABLE HERE, AND THERE'S, THERE'S 0% OF MASONRY ON, UM, ON THE WEST ELEVATION OF BUILDING TWO.
AND THEN BUILDING ONE HAS APPROXIMATELY 8% OF WEST FACE.
I WOULD BE OKAY PERSONALLY AND Y'ALL CAN DEBATE THE MERITS OF THIS PERCENTAGE OR NOT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 TO 50% SOMEWHERE IN THAT, IN THAT FRAME.
I THINK THAT'LL PROVIDE MORE, BUT ALSO GIVES FLEXIBILITY TO THE ARCHITECT OR DESIGNER WORKING ON THIS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A PRODUCT THAT GIVES THEM FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT.
UM, SO JUST MY PERSONAL TAKE ON THIS, I, I THINK IT'S A BIT TOO FAR FROM WHERE IT IS NOW TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR A SIMPLE TABLING AND GOING BACK, I PERSONALLY WOULD, WOULD, WOULD PERSONALLY RATHER DENY AND HAVE THEM COME BACK WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE YEAH, I THINK IT WAS CORRECT.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUT A SIMPLE NUMBER ON THIS.
IT'S GOT TO MEET THE INTENT, WHICH IT'S NOT DOING NOW.
AND SO, UM, BUT I, I DUNNO IF OTHER PEOPLE, IF, I MEAN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION, BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST PERSONALLY WHERE I LIE.
IF ANYONE ELSE HAS THOUGHTS BEFORE I DO ANYTHING, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
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UM, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M ALSO LIKE, KIND OF, I SEE THE COMPLICATION OF THAT.I'M NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR OF THE TABLING ON THIS, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE 90% RULE, BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING ONE SOUTH AND BUILDING, WHEN NORTH ELEVATIONS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES IN GLASS TO NON GLASS, IT STILL WOULDN'T BRING US CLOSE.
LIKE, WELL, THEY WENT NORTH IS STILL 37% GLASS.
SO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IF GIVING THEM DIRECTLY THE WEST ELEVATION IS GOING TO BRING BACK LIKE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE TABLE YET, I'M STILL CHEWING ON IT.
SO OUR DEFINITION IS PER ELLA, PER SIDE, ELEVATION, NOT PER BUILDING THE DEFINITION OF THE 90%, IT'S 90% MASONRY PER BUILDING NOW TO ABSOLUTELY MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE 90% REBUILDING.
IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN OR AN ARCHITECT COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO 90% PER FACE, WITHOUT QUESTION THAT MEETS THE CODE, BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN BE FLEXIBLE AND FREQUENTLY THEY ARE WHERE THEY'LL DO IT PER BUILDING.
AND SO THEY, IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT OF WORD ROOM PER FACE FOR CREATIVE DESIGN.
DOES THAT CLARIFY OR A MUDDLE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDES AND I'M THINKING, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF MASONRY THERE AND I, UM, I KIND OF LIKED THE OPAQUE GLASS AT THE TOP AND A LOT OF THE DESIGN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING ABOUT GLARE ON IT FOR THE HIGHWAY TWO FOR THE, IN THE WEST.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANT TO LOOK AT THAT VERY CAREFULLY AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, UH, WHATEVER AMOUNT OF GLASS COMES BACK, THAT WE'RE BEING VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT.
THAT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE DRIVERS, THAT WE DON'T BECOME A KNOWN FOR THAT, FOR SURE.
COULD YOU JUST ARTICULATE A LITTLE BIT OR CLARIFY FOR US WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE WITH THE INTENT OF THE WEST FACADE WITH THE GLAZING? IS IT SPECIFICALLY TO THE GLAZING AND THE IT'S MORE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE GLAZING IN, IN MY OPINION.
UM, NOW WE DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH IT IN TERMS OF REFLECTIVITY AND MAKING SURE IT'S NOT WINDING PEOPLES ARE DRIVING BY WITHOUT QUESTION.
UM, IT'S MORE OF A, UM, THE
UM, AND, AND WITH YOUR COMBINATION OF ARTICULATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S THE BIGGEST THING IS THEY NEED, IN MY OPINION, THE NEED MORE MASONRY ON THOSE WEST FACADES.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION AND JUST HEAR ME OUT OF THIS.
I'LL EXPLAIN AT ALL IN A SECOND, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION, TO DENY THE REQUEST.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF THE CAUSE EMOTION ON THE TAPE, THERE'S A MOTION RIGHT NOW SAYING TO TABLE THE ITEM, I'M MAKING A MOTION TO CHANGE THAT, TO DENYING THE REQUEST.
SO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE, OR WE'RE GOING TO, WE CAN DISCUSS RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING OR I COULD AGREE TO AMEND.
I MEAN, UH, UH, I THINK AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO IT THIS WAY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO AMEND THE MOTION.
AND SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AMENDMENT IF ANYONE DOES WANT A SECOND.
YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS, YOU WANT US TO AMEND IT SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT? IS THAT WHAT YOUR WELL, IF SOMEONE'S SECONDED, WE WOULD DISCUSS CHANGING THE MOTION.
NOW WHAT I'M WHAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NOW IS WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING THE FIRST MOTION ON PAUSE.
NOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS RIGHT NOW AND VOTE ON RIGHT NOW IS DO WE WANT TO, DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE MOTION TO JUST FLAT OUT DENY? SO IF YOU APPROVE THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE.
NOW THE ORIGINAL MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY IF THIS MOTION FAILS THAT I JUST MADE.
WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION OF TABLING.
WELL, UM, IF I DIDN'T PLEASE SPEAK UP, BUT, UH, BUT SO THAT'S ALL THIS VOTE NEXT VOTE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT, DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL MOTION OR DO WE WANT TO LEAVE IT AS TABLING CHANGING IT TO DENY OR LEAVING AT US TABLING? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY, EITHER DENYING OR TABLING, WHICH ONE YOU WOULD PREFER TABLING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS ON.
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YEAH.WHAT TABLE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO A DENIAL WOULD, UH, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WOULD, WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE DENIED.
THEY WOULD HA THEY WOULD NEED TO EITHER APPEAL OR COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT APPLICATION.
IF YOU DENIED IT, THEY COULD APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BUT IF HE DENIED IT AND THEY DID CHOSE NOT TO APPEAL, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO REAPPLY ON THE PERMIT.
HOW MUCH TIME DOES RE APPLICATION TAKE? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TIMING DOES THAT USUALLY TAKE? IT STARTS TO PROCESS OVER, UH, I AM THE ONLY STAFF MEMBER.
WELL, KAYLA ALSO LOOKS AT IT NOW TOO, BUT TRADITIONALLY I'VE BEEN THE ONLY STAFF MEMBER, UM, REVIEWING THEM.
UM, SO WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION, TAKES ABOUT FIVE DAYS TO PROCESS IT AND ASSUMING THEY HAVE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THEY NEED FROM A DOCUMENTATION STANDPOINT, UH, FIRST ROUND COMMENTS GO OUT WITHIN 28 CALENDAR DAYS.
UM, AND THEN EACH SUBSEQUENT ROUND, IF IT'S REQUIRED AS ADDITIONAL 14 CALENDAR DAYS.
UM, IF YOU ALL WELL, THAT, THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SO THIS IS JUST TO SAY, IS THE MOTION WE'RE REAL, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON AFTER THIS, IS IT GOING TO BE DENIED OR GOING TO TABLE? YES.
SO ESSENTIALLY, IF WE AMEND THIS MOTION TO DENY, AND THEN WE ENDED UP VOTING ON THAT, WE COULD BE PUSHING THIS APP, COME BACK AT ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS.
SO WE'RE IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? RIGHT? YES.
W W WE'RE DISCUSSING, DO WE WANT A TABLE OR DO WE WANT TO GENERATE, RIGHT? UM, YEAH.
D DOES THE ORIGINAL, NOT THE AMENDED, BUT DOES THE ORIGINAL MOTION INCLUDE THAT IT COME BACK TO US AFTER THE STAFF DID IT, THAT DID THE ORIGINAL EMOTION INCLUDE? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
THAT'S ALL I NEEDED WAS CLARIFICATION.
SO ONCE WE TAKE IT, OH, IF SOME OF US PLEASE, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DENYING, UM, THIS, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TABLING IT AND HAVING THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE, UM, HOW THEY CAN SATISFY, UH, THE INTENT PORTION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO TO FIX.
AND IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN DENY IT THAT YEAH.
WHEN IT COMES BACK, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT I AM NOT GONNA TO, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DENYING IT BECAUSE IT BASICALLY TAKES, IT BASICALLY GIVES A CHOICE TO THEN APPEAL IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN INSTEAD OF IT COMING BACK HERE, AND I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION FOR, TO COME BACK HERE.
SO OUR TAKE A VOTE AND I'D LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
UH, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I HERE WOULD BE TO CHANGE THE MOTION TO DENY A NAY HERE WOULD BE TO KEEP THE MOTION AS TABLING IT.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE? TIMMINS MARTHA SNYDER.
KARA NICOLE MAY JAMES MAY CHASE.
SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
NOW WE ARE, WE ARE STILL IN DISCUSSION FOR THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
IT IS, UH, THERE'S ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT TABLING IT, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
POINT OF ORDER, WE RESTATE THE MAIN MOTION, PLEASE.
SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS TO, UM, TABLE THE ITEM AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO RETURN AND WORK WITH STAFF TO, UH, CHANGE THE WEST ELEVATION, UM, TO BETTER MEET THE INTENT OF THE I 35 OVERLAY.
UH, UM, THE REASON I'M NOT FOR THIS IS BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S TOO FAR FROM WHERE THEY ARE TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
AND I THINK HAVING THEM GET TABLED AND, AND HAVING THEM CHANGE IT A BIT AND THEN COMING BACK AND THEN DENYING IS PROLONGING THIS PROCESS EVEN LONGER.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF TABLING IT.
I WOULD LIKE US TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT TODAY, BUT THAT'S PURELY MY PERSONAL VIEW.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING TABLING IT.
UH, UM, IF THE MOTION PASSES, WE WILL TABLE IT.
WE WILL HAVE EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTION SAID IF IT FAILS, BECAUSE THEN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
UM, FROM THERE, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? YES.
I THINK ONE THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ASSUMING FUTURE
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INTENT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BODY AS IF WE WERE GOING TO FAIL IT IN THE FUTURE.WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO COME BACK WITH.
I THINK WE OWE THAT TO GIVEN THE CHANCE.
I JUST FEEL IT'S, IT'S TOO FAR.
THAT'S WHY I MADE MY PERSONAL STATEMENT, BUT THAT WAS JUST MINE AND MINE ALONE.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL VOTE ABOUT TABLING.
UH, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE? TIMMINS.
[8.A. Consider and possible action on a recommendation to the City Council regarding arequest by Winn Family, LP to assign original zoning to approximately 1 acre of landfrom Agriculture 'A' to Retail Service District 'RS' for property located at 23451 IH-35, in Hays County, Texas. (Winn Family LP - Z-22-0095)]
EIGHT, ZONING EIGHT, A CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY WIND FAMILY LP TO ASSIGN OR ORIGINAL ZONING TO APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURE A TO RETAIL SERVICE DISTRICT R S FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 3, 4 5, 1WHEN FAMILY LP DASH Z DASH TWO TWO DASH 0 0 9 5.
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME UP.
NOW WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES AND YOU STATE YOUR NAME SEEING NONE.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
I CAN SEND FOR THE RECORD SENIOR PLANTER, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS PETITION NUMBER
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CITY MAP, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF WELDON JOHNSON WAY, WHICH IS JUST DUE SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1 58.
UH, THIS IS ON THE NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD IN THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF TOWN.
UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY, UM, UH, STEEL WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SCALE IN AN RV SUPER CENTER JUST TO THE NORTH OF IT.
AND IT WRAPPING AROUND THE EAST SIDE.
UM, MOST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS COMPLETED, UH, PRE ANNEXATION TO THE CITY SEVERAL YEARS BACK.
UM, AND, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOW WANTING TO START UTILIZING THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE STARTING THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.
SO RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE ZONING, UH, ALL THE WAY AROUND THE, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY Y'ALL WAREHOUSE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING TO THE SOUTH AND ACROSS 35, UH, INTO THE WEST IS AGRICULTURE A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL SERVICES.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF AN, A, SOMETHING OF A SMALL SCALE INDUSTRIAL, UM, AREA.
UH, THE AGRICULTURE ZONING DISTRICT IS, UH, IS THE, ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST ZONING DISTRICT ONE GETS WHEN YOU'RE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.
IT'S SOMETHING OF A TEMPORARY ZONING UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT FARMING RANCHING, PASTURAGE, YOU CAN HAVE A HOUSE ON IT AND ASSOCIATED, UH, FARM OUTBUILDINGS, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LIKE PUBLIC PARKS AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE, PRETTY, PRETTY LOW SCALE STUFF.
UH, BUT THE RETAIL SERVICES ZONING DISTRICT IS OUR, UM, IS THE MOST PROMINENT ZONING DISTRICT WE HAVE ALONG
IT'S YOUR POINT OF SALE RETAIL, UM, HOTELS, OFFICES, RESTAURANT, UM, FUEL CONVENIENCE STORES, YOU NAME IT, UH, BUT NOT WAREHOUSE, NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING PER ZONING, UH, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE MAP, IT IS IN THE REGIONAL NODE, THE REGIONAL NODE, UM, HAS THE RETAIL SERVICES ONLY DISTRICT AS RECOMMENDED, UM, AS HIGHLIGHTED THERE.
SO THE REQUEST IS COMPLETELY THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S VERY, VERY LITTLE THAT WE HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF DEEP THOUGHT INTO IT'S WE, WE SPLIT THEM INTO RECOMMENDED VERSUS CONDITIONAL CATEGORIES.
WHEREAS CONDITIONAL IS MORE OF A INFRASTRUCTURE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ADEQUATE ROADS? IS THERE ADEQUATE WATER WASTEWATER, AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO SUPPORT ELECTRICAL GAS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF TO SUPPORT, UH, A PROJECT, BUT WHEN IT'S RECOMMENDED, UM, IT'S GENERALLY A RELATIVELY, UM, EASY, UM, ZONING TO ASCERTAIN IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.
UM, WHAT ELSE FOR YOU? SO AGAIN, I, 35
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OVERLAY TXDOT IS, UH, THE, THE, THE ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO IT.IT'S ABOUT TO HAVE WASTEWATER WITH THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, IF ALL GOES TO PLAN FOR THE CITY CIP, UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE WASTEWATER PROJECT THAT'S ALMOST COMPLETE.
AND I KNOW THE CITY ENGINEER IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET IT COMPLETE.
UM, ELECTRICITY IS PEC, WHICH IS IT'S THEIR SERVICE AREA.
IF IT'S, UM, IF THE REZONINGS ARE APPROVED, UM, THE NEXT STEP IS GOING TO BE SUBDIVISION AND PLANTING A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ON THE HEELS OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE THE SUBDIVISION, UM, REQUEST, UM, FOR AN APPROVAL ON CONSENT, BUT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS APPROVED BY STAFF.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, LIKE WE'VE LOOKED AT FOUR ITEMS TONIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO GO GET THEIR COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMIT FOR THEIR MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING AND STRUCTURAL.
UH, WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU'LL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION VOTE TO APPROVE IT AS WELL.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO WHERE IT'S LOCATED, I MEAN, ONE, THAT'S NOT A VERY BIG LOT.
IT IS A, YEAH, IT IS A SMALLER LOT.
AND, UM, JUST WHERE IT'S LOCATED, IT IS WITHIN A MILE OF A GAS STATION, CORRECT? YES.
BECAUSE BASED ON OUR LABS, WHAT PERHAPS, OH, WITHOUT ACTUALLY MEASURING IT.
I MEAN, I, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASSUME ABOUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, I, I GUESS IT MIGHT NOT BE, UM, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S FINE.
WE MADE A BIT TO MAKE IT RS, BUT IT'S A VERY SMALL LOT RIGHT OFF OF 35 AND WE'VE RECENTLY MADE CHANGES ABOUT GAS STATIONS.
SO, SO AGAIN, IT COULD BE ANYTHING RS, RIGHT.
BUT IT'S STILL AT THE FOLLOW THOSE SAME RULES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE NOW BY OUR CITY COUNCIL.
SO YOU'RE THE, THE, THE, UH, THE GAS STATION RULE OR WHATEVER ELSE APPLIED WOULD APPLY TO THAT.
SO ALL THE USES ALLOWED IN THE RETAIL SERVICES, ZONING DISTRICT, IF IT'S APPROVED FOR THE CHART AND SECTION 53 DASH 1230 WOULD BE ALLOWED.
SO THAT'S EVERYTHING IN CBD, ONE CBD TO RETAIL SERVICES.
NOW, THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT LIVING USING SPECIFIC THREE SPECIFIC USES, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY IS TECHNICALLY STILL UNDERGOING, UM, CODE UPDATES.
IT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK NEXT WEEK FOR COUNCIL FOR A SECOND READ.
SO, UM, NOW IT'S GOING TO BE PREDICT RIGHT NOW.
I JUST KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, SECOND READING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING IS OFFICIAL IS CORRECT FOR THAT OTHER.
THAT'S WHY WHATEVER COMES HERE FROM A CODE COMPLIANT AND A USE PERSPECTIVE AS TO BECOME COMPLIANT WITH OUR CODE.
UM, IF THEY WERE, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE GAS STATION, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE USES.
UM, BUT IF IT'S, UM, GETTING THEIR PERMITS IN THAT MIGHT BE VESTING, UM, DEPENDING ON WHICH PERMIT IT IS, IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO A USE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, UM, LIMITING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE ITEM EIGHT A AND IT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SIDO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTHA.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[8.B. Consider and possible action on a recommendation to the City Council regarding arequest by Richard and Rita Cuellar Sr. to assign original zoning to approximately1.503 acres of land from Agriculture 'A' to Central Business District-1 'CBD-1' forproperty located at 1400 W. Center Street, in Hays County, Texas. (Richard and RitaCuellar Sr. - Z-22-0096)]
EIGHT.ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY RICHARD AND RITA.
KULI SENIOR Z DASH TWO TWO DASH 0 0 9 6.
UM, UH, IS, UH, OH, THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME UP.
NOW WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES AND YOU STATE YOUR NAME.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE'LL ACT SINCE YOU YOU'RE PLAYING FOR THE RECORD.
UH, THIS IS A PETITION NUMBER Z 22 DASH 0 0 9 6 4 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1400 WEST CENTER STREET IN KYLE,
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TEXAS.SO LET ME SHARE THIS REAL QUICK SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
MR. AND MRS. UH, KR, UM, ARE WANTING TO REZONE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN, THAT IS THIS OBLONG PIECE OF PROPERTY WEDGED BETWEEN TWO CITY PROPERTIES.
WE OWN GREG CLARK PARK THERE THAT HAS LABELED, AND WE ACTUALLY OWN THE HARD CORNER AT WEST CENTER STREET AND RANGER DRIVE.
UM, INITIALLY THE VERY FIRST TIME WE MET THEM, THEY WANTED TO, UM, BUILD A HOUSE THERE.
UH, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY FOR AWHILE.
UH, THE, SINCE THEN WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THEY CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, MAYBE WE WANT TO CONSIDER USING IT, UH, ZONING, REZONING INTO SOMETHING COMMERCIAL THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE AND INTENSITY OF THIS PART OF TOWN, BUT ALSO MAYBE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE USEFUL FOR US, OR MAYBE IF WE WANT TO SELL, IF SOMETHING THE RIGHT PERSON COMES ALONG.
UM, AND SO WE DISCUSSED IT AND, UM, THEIR APPLICATION IS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH THEM.
UM, IN SHORT, ANYWAY, UM, BELOW TO THE SOUTH IS A, THE TENORIO SUBDIVISION.
UM, THERE'S A MIX OF, UH, MANUFACTURED HOMES THERE AND A HOUSE IS BUILT ON SITE.
YOU GOT WALLACE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO THE WEST.
UM, GREAT CLARK PARK TO THE EAST, AND THEN THERE'S A UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH A PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW RIGHT NOW FOR A SUBDIVISION RIGHT HERE.
YOU SEE THE, THE ZONING OF IT.
SO THE, THE GIANT AG PIECES, GREG CLARK PARK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RED, THE EVERYTHING IN THE YELLOW BOUNDARY, UH, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED IN THE OTHER A PETITION AG DISTRICT IS FOR AG PURPOSES, PRETTY BASIC STUFF.
UH, THE CBD ONE DISTRICT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT IS A LIMITED RETAIL'S ZONING DISTRICT.
IT IS ONE OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE ONES THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S NOT THE MOST RESTRICTIVE, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE MOST, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY SECOND OR THIRD ON THE LIST THAT WE HAVE.
UM, THE, UM, WITH THE INTENT OF FITTING INTO THE SURROUNDING BLOCK AND COMMUNITY, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SKILL WAS PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT DOES HAVE, UM, IT HAS A DECENT AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL USES, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LARGE AMOUNT OF LIMITATIONS AS WELL AS SHOULD BE.
UM, THE COMP PLAN RIGHT HERE SHOWS IT PRIMARILY IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN DISTRICT, UM, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, ALL RIGHT, SO WHERE DO WE FIGURE HOW MUCH OF IT IS IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN DISTRICT? HOW MUCH OF IT IS AN IN THIS CASE HISTORICAL AREA.
AND WE GO FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP A SITE.
SO THERE'S REALLY A SMALL SLIVER IN HISTORIC CORE AREA.
AND SO WE, IT'S KIND OF A GRAY AREA BOUNDARY.
SO WE'VE JUST ONLY INCORPORATED THE ORIGINAL TOWN DISTRICT ON PURPOSE IN OUR REVIEW, A CBD ONE IS RECOMMENDED.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CBD ONE VERSUS CBD TWO IN THE, UH, CITY OF KYLE, THESE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN THAT WAS PLANTED IN 1880.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRID PATTERN, UM, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL TOWN SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UM, THE CBD TWO'S ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS A BUILDING LIKE CITY HALL HAYES STREET, PRESS 2 25 SOUTH MAIN, A LOT OF THE TRADITIONAL LOOKING URBAN FORM OF AROUND THE SQUARE.
THOSE ARE THE NEXT HIGHER INTENSITY SCALE OF USES AND URBAN FORM THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AS YOU'RE MOVING FURTHER OUT FROM THE CORE, IT'S SPECIFICALLY EVEN FURTHER WEST DOWN CENTER STREET, YOU START SEEING MORE CBD ONE ALONG THE LINEAR FRONTAGE OF WEST INDUSTRY.
AND THEN NOT VERY FAR, MAYBE HALF A BLOCK OUT, YOU START SEEING JUST PLAYING, NOT PLAYING, BUT THE
SO, UH, THE PROXIMITY TO WESTERNER STREET, UH, AS A CONTINUATION OF THAT SEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE PROXIMITY THAT IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WALLACE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND BETWEEN THAT, AND GREG CLARK PARK, WHERE THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A LOT OF PUBLIC AND KIDS AND FAMILIES AND ALL THAT, UM, THE CB ONE ZONING DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY JUST BY STRAIGHT ACROSS LIMITS ALCOHOL SALES, YOU CAN'T SELL OR SERVE ALCOHOL AND CBD ONE.
SO, UM, IT SEEMED APPROPRIATE TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING, THAT IT BE LIMITED WHEN IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A SCHOOL.
NOW I SAY THAT OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL RULES FOR WHEN SOMEONE HAS A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE ALLOW CELLS TO RESTRICT THOSE.
THEY JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW TABC RULES.
SO IF DAV TABC SAYS THEY CAN SELL ALCOHOL NEXT TO A SCHOOL, IF THE, IF OUR ZONING ALLOWS IT, THEY CAN DO IT.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE VERY CAREFUL
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ABOUT THAT.APPROVING A LIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOL AND THE PARK.
AND THAT'S THE OVERALL, THE PRIMARY REASON WE WENT WITH CBD ONE FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, UH, WE GOT WEST CENTER STREET AND RANGER DRIVE.
UM, WEST CENTER STREET IS ACTUALLY IN DESIGNED FOR FUTURE UPGRADES, LIKE A FULL REBUILD ON THE CITY CIP LIST, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER, OR THE CITY OF KYLE ELECTRICITY IS PETRONELLIS ELECTRICAL, ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, UM, AN ENTERPRISING PERSON, UH, IF THEY SELL IT OR IF THEY DECIDE TO DEVELOP THEMSELVES, UM, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MAYBE BALL GAMES IN THE EVENING.
IF THEY HAVE A SMALL RESTAURANT IN THEIR, OUT THERE WITH A DECK, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, OR, OR, OR TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SPECIAL EVENTS AT THE SCHOOL.
I THINK THIS IS PRETTY EXCITING WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO WITH THE SITE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A REAL SPECIFIC IDEA AT THIS TIME, BUT, UM, IT'S VERY WALKABLE, HONESTLY, ESPECIALLY FOR OUT ON THAT PROPORTION OF, UH, WEST CENTER STREET, UH, TO GET TO THIS.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY UNIQUE SITE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I CAN GO ON ALL NIGHT, IF YOU LET ME, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
AND WE ASK THAT Y'ALL FOR A VOTE TO RECOMMEND IT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
SO CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A RESIDENTIAL USE THAT IS NOT MULTIFAMILY? THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS LIKE A HALFWAY HOUSE OR A, A SENIOR CARE FACILITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO PER OUR CODE MULTIFAMILY IS ESSENTIALLY THE EASIEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT AS STACKED FLATS, VERTICALLY INTEGRATED STACK FLATS.
SO YOU LOOK AT YOUR GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, OR IN SOME CASES IT COULD BE A VERTICAL MIXED USE.
SO WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S TOO INTENSE, BUT IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR IN THAT SPECIFIC STATEMENT IN THAT PORTION OF CB ONE, IT EXCLUDES EXCLUDES MULTI-FAMILY, BUT IT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY BE THAT THEY COULD HAVE HOUSED THERE.
UM, MAYBE, UM, A SHOPKEEPERS RESIDENTS, UH, MAY EITHER BE ATTACHED DETACHED ABOVE THE, THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY.
UM, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX, UM, OR A TOWNHOME PERHAPS.
UM, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD MUCH DISCUSSION ON THAT WITH THE PLAYERS.
SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS MORE OF A FOCUS ON, UH, THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.
BUT DEFINITELY NOT MULTI-FAMILY OKAY.
SO THE, THE, UH, I ALWAYS THINK OF OUR BONO, CAUSE THEY'RE A COMPANY THAT I KNOW, BUT I FORGET WHO THE, WHO, THE ONE THAT DID IT DOWN THOUGH DOWN THE ROAD HERE WHERE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, BUT THEY'RE STILL KIND OF LIKE A, IT'S A MULTI-FAMILY SETTING, NOT TECHNICALLY APARTMENTS CAUSE THEY'RE DETACHED UNITS.
AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF, UM, THINKING THROUGH, WOULD THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION RELATED TO HER ABOUT IT? THERE'S THAT'S ALSO THE PLUM CREEK PUD.
SO THEIR CODE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM OURS AND BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE IRVANA SPECIFICALLY ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE PLUM CREEK PUD WOULD BE RATHER DIFFICULT FROM OUR, FROM THE REST OF OUR CODE.
UM, AND WE HAD THAT, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BIT OFF TRACK HERE, BUT, UM, WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH HER ABANA THAT WE ACTUALLY SAID, HEY, MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT PLUM CREEK.
CAUSE THEY CAN ASK US QUESTIONS AND OUR CODE DIDN'T ALLOW IT OUTSIDE OF IT.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING, WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE ALREADY PLANS OR, OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON COULD STILL SELL THE PROPERTY AND ANYTHING THAT'S APPROVED WITHIN THAT ZONING COULD NOW GO THERE.
AND SO I, UH, IT IS POSITIVE THAT IT'S A CBD ONE SET OF RETAIL SERVICES BECAUSE OF THE BAR SITUATION.
AS YOU MENTIONED, THE QUESTION IS THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHENEVER WE'RE APPROVING ZONINGS, UH, BECAUSE WE COULD BE PROMISED ONE THING, BUT GET SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THAT STILL FITS.
AND SO WHILE THERE ARE, I MEAN, IT IS A GREAT SPOT BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BETWEEN THE PARK TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT FOR OUR CITY.
I'M ALSO AFRAID THAT IT COULD BE A TERRIBLE SPOT BETWEEN A SCHOOL AND WAS GOING TO PARK FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT IS.
BUT, UM, I'M NOT COMING UP WITH A GOOD EXAMPLE IN MY MIND, I'M STILL A LITTLE FRAYED OF THE ZONING.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, IS THERE SOMETHING
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THAT'S CBD, ONE APPROVED AT STAFF MIGHT BE WARY OF GOING INTO THAT LOCATION? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A BIG QUESTION, BUT I'LL ANSWER IT GENERALLY.WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC USES.
UM, OTHER IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF, IF IT'S NOT A PUD, UM, PER STATE LAW, IF THE ZONE, RIGHT.
BUT IT'S JUST, WHAT, WHAT IS A POSSIBLE USE? I MEAN, THAT THAT'S CAUSE THERE IS A SPECIFIC LIST FOR CVS.
IT WAS A SPECIFIC LIST IN SECTION 53 DASH 1230, AND WE DIDN'T GET A FLOWER SHOP.
YOU CAN GET A TACO SHOP IN THERE, A SEAMSTRESS, UM, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES THAT ARE PRETTY LOW INTENSIVE USES LIKE AN ACCOUNTANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, LET ME GO, I KNOW I'M PUTTING IT ON THE SPOT WITH THAT QUESTION AND I'M FINE.
I DON'T MIND BEING PUT ON THE SPOT AND HERE'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO THINK THROUGH ART GALLERY ANTIQUE DEALER BICYCLE SELLS.
I'M TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S PER YOUR QUESTION.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT BAD THOUGH.
UM, MOST THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY THE, THE LIST AND CB ONE AND I WAS NOT HERE IN 2003.
UM, IT IT'S, IT'S SEEMINGLY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT USES CAN GO IN THERE CONSIDERING THEY'RE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL, IT'S SOMETHING OF A, A STEP DOWN IN INTENSITY OF USES AND SCALE FROM CBD TO LIKE WE HAVE RIGHT AROUND THE SQUARE.
SO IT'S AN ACT, IT ACTS AS A BUFFER FOR BOTH THE USE AND A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE BETWEEN THAT AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO I I'M STILL LOOKING THROUGH IT, BUT I, NONE OF THESE, THE ITEMS AND CBD ONE, I WOULDN'T REALLY, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THEM BEING NEXT TO A SCHOOL OR A PARK, SO.
UM, SO MY, MY GENERAL CONCERN IS THAT I KNOW WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, UH, PLANS.
AND WITH THAT, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I DID WANT TO JUST LOOK AT, AND MAYBE AMEND SOME OF THE CBD ONE CBD TWO USES IF THIS WERE APPROVED THOUGH, AND WE THEN AMENDED CBD ONE USES LATER, WE WOULD NEED, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY CONSTRICT OUR CVD.
ONE POSSIBLE USES THAT WE ADDED ON BEING RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL RIGHT NEXT TO THE, FOR THE PARK.
UM, AND, AND SO I THINK THAT'S AN ITEM WE MIGHT WANT TO JUST THINK THROUGH, BUT, UM, THAT WAS I, IF I MAY, I WOULD SAY I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE ALSO DON'T KNOW YET.
SO YES, ONLY BECAUSE WE CAN'T READ THE FUTURE AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WHEN IT COMES UP THOUGH.
UM, FROM LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION STUFF TOO.
SO I'M NOT DISMISSING IT, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, NO.
I I'M JUST SAYING THIS WOULD CHANGE THE DISCUSSION IF THE DISCUSSION HAPPENED IN THE FUTURE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER MARTHA SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT.
LOOKING AT THE USES AND CBD YOU AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THESE THINGS BEING DOWN HERE.
THE WORST THING I'M LOOKING AT IS LIKE STOCKBROKER OR LIKE COLLECTION SERVICES.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S REALLY SUPER INTENSIVE AND NOTHING.
THAT'S REALLY OBNOXIOUS IN THAT LIST.
AND I'M ON, LET'S PULL IT UP RIGHT HERE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT.
[9. General Discussion]
NUMBER GENERAL, DISCUSSION NINE, A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUESTS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TELL STAFF AT THIS TIME? YES.CAN YOU KNEW THAT? UM, I HAD BROUGHT IT UP GENERALLY THE LAST TIME.
UH, I I'D LIKE DOWN THE ROAD IN, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A WORKSHOP FOR US TO TALK ABOUT PARKING CRITERIA, PARTICULARLY IN SUBDIVISIONS, WHERE THERE IS NOT STREET PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SPACES, A HOUSE
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SHOULD HAVE THAT KIND OF THING.I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE CREATING FOR THE LONGTERM SPECIFICALLY FOR SUBDIVISIONS THAT DO NOT HAVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR STREET PARKING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR WE'RE WE COULD DO IT GENERALLY TOO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THOSE SUBDIVISIONS WHEN THEY COME IN.
DOES THAT INCLUDE CURRENT EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T IN KYLE OR IS IT JUST, YEAH, AND WE CAN'T REALLY DISCUSS ITEMS RIGHT NOW, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
YOU, YOU, YOU, THIS IS A TIME YOU CAN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS FUTURE THAT WE CAN PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
SO, UH, UM, IF YOU THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA OR NOT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT AT THIS MOMENT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT SOON THOUGH, BUT GREAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS? YES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO COME UP LATER, BUT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND DOWNTOWN PLAN.
UM, I HAVE ONE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, AT A FUTURE MEETING, PROBABLY WORKSHOP, UM, A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS PERMIT FOR GAS STATIONS AND, UM, AND, AND I SUPPOSE ALSO CAR WASHES AND, UM, UM, UH, UH, THOSE MANY STORAGE PLACES.
UM, I THINK I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER A SECOND APPROVAL OR NOT, BUT I THINK WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BECAUSE AGAIN, I AM, I, I JUST WANT THERE TO BE A PROCESS FOR, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO APPLY, THEY HAVE A WAY TO DO IT.
SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT IT AT A FUTURE MEETING, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND WORKSHOPS.
SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS? ALL RIGHT.
[10. Staff Report]
NUMBER 10, STAFF REPORT 10, A STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM MAKINSON CITY POINT SENIOR PLANNER.SO, UM, APRIL THE 26 IS THE FOURTH TUESDAY.
I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A FOURTH TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.
THAT'S USUALLY RESERVED FOR A WORKSHOP MEETINGS.
IF WE DECIDE TO HOLD ONE, UM, WE HA WE'VE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSION ABOUT, DO WE WANT TO HAVE ONE ON THE 26TH IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT? I THINK WE DO.
UM, ONE OF THE BIG TOPICS OF DISCUSSION IS, UM, THE
UM, ONE OF THEM IS FEE SIMPLE LOSS, WHICH IS YOU OWN THE LOT.
UM, YOU'RE NEXT TO A PUBLIC ROAD, YOU GOT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU MOVE THE HOUSE ON THERE.
YOU CAN MOVE IT OFF, BUT YOU OWN THE LOT UNDERNEATH.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, WHICH FUNCTIONALLY IS THE SAME LIVING THERE.
IT'S JUST, THEY HAVE PRIVATE ROADS AND PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN YOU PAY SOMEONE TO STAY ON THE, ON THE SITE, YOU LEASE IT INSTEAD.
SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER SNYDER HAS SOME, SOME IDEAS THAT SHE WANTS TO DISCUSS IT AND POSSIBLY UPDATE OUR CODE FOR.
UM, AND, UH, SHE'S BEEN ASKING ABOUT IT FOR AWHILE AND, UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
UM, DUDE, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING.
UM, MAYBE HAVING, HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR PUBLIC RESTROOMS AND MARY KYLE HARTSON PARK.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD Y'ALL THOUGH EITHER.
SO, UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN MAYBE STREET PARKING RELATED ITEMS, THE, UM, RELATING TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND DOWNTOWN PLANS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD, UM, DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY WITH DGK ARCHITECTS, WHO ARE, WE ARE DOING OUR DOWNTOWN PLAN UPDATE.
UM, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU ALL RELATING TO, UM, THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH IN TERMS OF DOING SOME UPDATES.
UM, WE ASKED THEM TO SPECIFICALLY DO THAT, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL ARE INVOLVED.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE YET FOR THAT.
UM, BUT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AT LIKE A WORKSHOP TYPE THING OR WE, YEAH, IF Y'ALL WOULD PREFER THAT, THAT WAY, IT'S MORE OF A BIG ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION.
UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT WHATEVER WORKS BEST, JUST FINE.
PERSONALLY, I PREFER THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE MORE GIVE AND TAKE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE AREN'T SHORT ON OPINIONS, SO NOPE.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WONDERFUL.
SO, UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE CDP PROCESS
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AS WELL.UH, THE LAST THING, UM, Y'ALL MAY HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON FRIDAY FROM US REGARDING THE NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE.
UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK, I THINK, UM, IF, IF MY MEMORY SERVES CORRECTLY, THERE WAS A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT IF THERE WAS, IF WE WERE GOING TO BE ATTENDING NATIONAL AT ALL OR NOT.
AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE OPINION WAS NO, BECAUSE IT'S IN SAN DIEGO AND THERE WASN'T MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT.
AND WE NEEDED TO KEEP THE MONEY.
THEN THE PLANNING BUDGET SET ASIDE FOR THE STATE CONFERENCE IN EL PASO IN THE FALL, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR OTHER REASONS FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR COMING UP.
AND HE HAD ASKED ABOUT, UM, IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS GOING TO USE, UH, THE LINE ITEM BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE SET ASIDE.
AND I DID NOT REALIZE Y'ALL HAD ONE IN A SEPARATE, UM, DEPARTMENT UNDER CITY COUNCIL.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME MONEY IN THERE.
SO, UM, IT'S VERY SHORT NOTICE.
WE REALIZED THAT, BUT IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THE SAN DIEGO NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE, UM, IT IS FROM APRIL THE 30TH THROUGH MAY THE THIRD.
SO THAT'S A SATURDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.
UM, ASSUMING YOU GO UP ON FRIDAY, COME BACK ON WEDNESDAY, FLY OUT, YOU KNOW, FLY BACK.
UM, IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND IN PERSON, UM, THERE IS A IN MID-MAY THEY HAVE A VIRTUAL VERSION OF IT, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS EXPENSIVE, UH, UH, THAT YOU CAN, UH, IF IT WORKS OUT BETTER FOR YOU AS WELL.
UM, WHICHEVER ONE WORKS BEST, LET US KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND EITHER.
UM, AND, UM, IF IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT PERSON WE NEED TO KNOW THIS WEEK, REALLY, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BOOK HOTELS AND FLIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
CAN YOU SEND ME VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION? I'LL HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO BE ALLOWED FOR YOU TO PAY FOR THAT.
UM, YOU WANT, YOU WANT BOTH VERSIONS? YOU WANT THE VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON FOR THE IN-PERSON ONE.
I BELIEVE A COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON IS GOING AS WELL, BUT I THINK FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S ALL WHO HAVE SIGNED UP AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, LAST TIME WE MET, WE HAD NOT SELECTED A COMP PLAN A GROUP YET.
SO, UH, COUNCIL, UM, APPROVED STAFF'S REQUEST TO CHOOSE, UH, THE VIRGINITY GROUP, UH, FOR THE COMP PLAN.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING, UM, STAFF'S REQUEST FOR ITEMS. WE WANT TO SEE BIG PICTURE ITEMS FROM WHAT WE EXPECT, AND THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A DRAFT COST RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO US, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON A NEGOTIATED CONTRACT, UM, FROM THERE.
SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'RE STILL AT THE VERY BEGINNING STAGES.
SO COMING UP IN THE NEXT NINE TO 12 MONTHS, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THEM.
WE, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO SHARE THEIR PROPOSAL.
WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT, UM, A BIG COMPONENT OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AS A, UH, FISCAL LAND USE ANALYSIS.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE DATA IN THERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE A STRONG, UM, EDUCATIONAL AND, AND UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH COMPONENT.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SINCE WE'RE DOING THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COLLABORATING TOGETHER AND THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND, UM, DOING, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WANT TO SEE.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY FUN PROCESS.
UM, AND PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE, AND WHEN WE CAN BE WHATEVER ROLE WE CAN PLAY, I THINK YOU ALL WILL BE SERVE AS ESSENTIALLY THE CITIZEN, THE COMMITTEE.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT, BUT AS SOON AS WE GET THAT UNDERWAY, WE'LL START PLUGGING IT ALL IN.
I CAN'T THINK OF IT THIS, SO, AND, AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE OFFICIALLY DO THIS TODAY, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR TWO NEW MEMBERS.
IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS, UH, MAKES MY HEART VERY FULL TO HAVE, UH, TO HAVE A COMPLETE DICE.
AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, BUT TO HAVE YOU HERE VERY MUCH.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UH, I'M SORRY.
HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TIMMINS.
I WILL SECOND IT AND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.