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[1. Call meeting to order]
UM, TUESDAY, MAY 24TH.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS PLANNING AND ZONING WORKSHOP, MEETING THE ORDER.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? NOT THAT NIGHT OUT HERE.
GARAH HERE, JAMES HERE, CHAINS.
UH, SO DOESN'T COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
NOW WE ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COLLINS FORM AND THAT YOU, UM, LET ME, YOU'RE TALKING TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU, UH, STATE YOUR NAME.
WHEN YOU COME INTO THE PODIUM.
DOES ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK? THEY MAY COME UP NOW SEEING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THIS AND COMMENTS.
CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED.
[4.B. Continued discussion regarding code amendments to the M-1, M-2 and M-3 zoningdistricts.]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, GENERAL DISCUSSION FOUR B CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE M ONE M TWO, AN MP3 ZONING DISTRICTS.SO WE DO HAVE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ON MINE.
I DIDN'T SEE HIM THERE FOR A MOMENT.
UM, SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD LAST TIME IN TERMS OF CONSIDERING, UM, MAKING AMENDMENTS TO HOW A MANUFACTURING HOME, UM, IS ATTACHED TO A FOUNDATION AND WHAT SORT OF FOUNDATION TO WERE WANTING TO CONSIDER.
IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY, UH, COMMISSIONER SNOUT.
AND WE INVITED MR. STUBBINS OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWERS, UM, AND HE CAN, HE CAN HELP OUT BETTER.
SO, UM, WHAT QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY DO Y'ALL HAVE RELATED TO IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS? WELL, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN CIRCLING FOR US IS, UM, AND THAT I HAD TALKED TO SAN MARCOS.
I MENTIONED THAT, UH, THAT THEY, THEY SAID THAT A MANUFACTURED HOME PLACED ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION COULD BE MOVED, COULD BE REMOVED AND PLACED ELSEWHERE.
AND SO I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WITH OUR HOUSING, OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, GARY RAY, ABLE TO HEAR US, I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION WAS.
WAS IT SAN MARCUS AS STATED THAT THEY, UM, THAT A PERMANENT FOUNDATION THAT THE MANUFACTURED HOME CAN BE MOVED? IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURED HOME, RIGHT.
MY NAME IS GARY STEVENS ON THE, UH, OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.
UM, YES, THEY ARE ABLE TO BE REMOVED.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT THEY DO IS THEY PUT DOWN A SLAB.
SOMETIMES THEY HAVE RUNNERS THAT GO UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE METAL BEAMS. UM, MOST OF THE TIME, UH, THAT WE, UM, ISSUE A PERMIT SCORE, THEY ACTUALLY USE A SERIES OF FOOTERS, UH, RATHER THAN USING THE FULL FOUNDATION, BUT, UH, THEY ARE ABLE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY'RE PLACED ON THAT FOUNDATION TO BEGIN WITH AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP.
SO THE REMOVAL PROCESS, IS IT, IS IT JUST AS EASY OR IS IT, IS IT MORE COMPLEX THAN IF THERE WAS NOT A FIXED FOUNDATION, IF IT WAS CINDER BLOCKS OR SUCH, OR IS IT ABOUT THE SAME PROCESS? EITHER WAY? MOVING THE HOME, UH, FROM MY NSA IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PROCESS JUST IN REVERSE.
AND I ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE I CAME UPON HUB TITLE ONE, FIND FUNDING FOR, UM, REPAIRS FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND THEY HAVE A LOAN PROGRAM THAT, UH, ACTUALLY YOU DON'T GET THAT FOR UP TO $7,500.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THE EQUITY IN THE HOME THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION, BUT IT SAID YOU CAN OWN IT OR LEASE IT, WHICH WOULD INDICATE TO ME THAT SOMEONE WHO'S LEASING THEIR SPACE COULD ACTUALLY DO REPAIRS ON THEIR HOME.
IF IT'S ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION AND GET A HUD TITLE, ONE LOAN, WHICH WOULD BE HUGELY BENEFICIAL TO PEOPLE WITH AGING MANUFACTURED HOMES.
SO I GUESS I'M BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ANOTHER POINT IN THE FAVOR THAT YOU SAID IT'S A LOAN.
IT IS A LOAN, IT'S A TITLE, ONE LOAN.
IT IS DONE THROUGH LENDERS WHO DO THESE TYPES OF LENDING.
AND IT'S GUARANTEED BY HUD, BY FHA FHA LOAN.
AND I THINK THE MAXIMUM IS $25,000 AND ON A MANUFACTURED HOME, I THINK THE TERM IS THE TERM ON A PERMANENT HOME IS 20 YEARS.
AND THE TERM ON A MANUFACTURED HOME IS 15 YEARS, BUT, AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR LIKE, YOU CAN'T PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL OR YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS FOR PROOFS, HPAC AND WINDOWS, WHAT
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ADA ACCESS, I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN MANUFACTURED HOMES TO BE ABLE TO DO REPAIRS, WHICH THEY CANNOT ACCESS RIGHT NOW.
YOU SEE, YOU SAID 25,000 UP TO, I BELIEVE IT'S 25,000.
I BELIEVE THE HOUSE WOULD THEN HAVE TO HAVE EQUITY, BUT IF IT'S ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION, YOU HAVE MAY START ACCRUING EQUITY INSTEAD OF DEPRECIATING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 7,500, IT SAID, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST READING ONLINE THEIR CRITERIA.
SO, UM, BUT THERE'S 7,500 INDICATED THAT YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE EQUITY IN THE HOUSE AND IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THEIR ORIGINAL NOTE OR DATE.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT CAUSE I WAS EXCITED TO FIND THAT.
WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY? OKAY.
UM, JUST, JUST TO RECAP FROM LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE
SO THEY WERE, THEY'D BE VESTED AT COUNTY STANDARDS.
SO, SO CHANGES HERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE APPLICABLE TO THEM.
THE PERSON OWNS, UM, WELL, UH, UM, THAT WOULD BE A DISTRICT WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER WOULD OWN THE LAND.
AND THEN M THREE WOULD BE WHERE THE PERSON IS LEASING THE LAND TO PUT THEIR HOME ON THE DIFFERENT SECURITY END TO AN M THREE.
AND LET ME DOUBLE CHECK WHICH ONE TO SWITCH.
I ALWAYS GET THEM MIXED UP, BUT THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, M TO M R LOTS SOLD AND CONVEYED TO INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERS.
SO A FEE SIMPLE SUBDIVISION WITH MANUFACTURED HOMES, KATE LIKE A KB HOME SUBDIVISION EXCEPT MADE IT BETTER HOMES.
AND THEN M THREE IS FOR LEASE.
THEY GOT PRIVATE ROADS, PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE INTERNALLY.
UM, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD ALLOW, WE WOULD ONLY REQUIRE A TECHNICALLY THE ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE REQUIRED PER THE FIRE CODE.
UH, WE DON'T ALLOW OTHER PUBLIC STREETS TO TIE INTO THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE A PRIVATE SUBDIVISION, WHICH GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING.
I FEEL ABOUT SUBDIVISION, NETWORKING FROM STREETS, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE BOUNDARIES OF WHERE THOSE ARE FROM, UH, WHO PAID, WHO MAINTAINS WHAT? SO, SIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF WE, UM, IF WE DID ADOPT THIS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND ASK THEM TO CONSIDER ADOPTING SIMILAR STANDARDS? WE CAN'T MAKE THEM, BUT CAN WE JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE DOING THIS AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU DO THIS BECAUSE WE MAY BE ANNEXING SOMETHING SOMEDAY.
HE STARTS GETTING INTO THAT, THAT STARTS MAKING THINGS A LITTLE BIT MURKY BECAUSE IT STARTS DICTATING BUILDING CODE IN THE COUNTY, WHICH HAS ALSO A SUBSET OR SOMEWHAT INTERTWINED WITH THE ZONING CODE.
AND NEITHER ONE OF THOSE REALLY, THEY DON'T EXIST IN THE COUNTY PER STATE LAW.
SO, WHICH IS WHY, IF YOU'RE THE, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTY, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S THE BARE MINIMUM ON RURAL IT'S, EXCEPT FOR LIKE, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE, UH, CCNRS FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER YOU DEED RESTRICTIONS.
SO THAT, YEAH, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING, AND ONE I NEED TO WRITE THAT WAS JUST SO THAT, AND THIS ISN'T RETROACTIVE, CORRECT.
SO IF MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ONE COUNTY ISN'T GOING TO, WOULDN'T WANT TO.
AND I AGREE THERE, THEY HAVE, THEY PROBABLY HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN, IN DOING THAT.
COUNTIES TEND TO BE A LOT RESTRICTIVE FOR SPECIFIC REASONS.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE NOT DOING ANY MORE AT ONE, I THINK THAT KIND OF JUST GOES OUT THE DOOR ANYWAYS.
THE QUESTION REALLY IS, DO WE SUPPORT THIS? AND IF WE DO, DO WE JUST PART OF OUR, BOTH M TWO AND M THREE OR JUST ONE OR THE OTHER, IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, IT'S MY OPINION.
AND THIS, THIS IS REALLY ULTIMATELY UP TO Y'ALL TO CONSIDER AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON IT, I GUESS.
BUT, UM, DEFINITELY IT'S ON, EASIER TO PUSH ON IT ON THE
YOU'RE NOT IN THERE FOR ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, THEN THEY'RE GONE, WE'VE HERE LEASING, WHICH WOULD BE THREE.
UM, SO I THINK IT'D BE EASIER TO CHANGE THE PROGRAM TO THEN IN THREE, I THINK WE WOULD GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM DEVELOPERS ON THE M THREE, BUT THAT'S JUST FROM A INTERNAL SIDE WHEN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO WANTS TO DO MANUFACTURED HOMES OR WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
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IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, IT GETS OUT, WORD GETS OUT, BUT LIKE WE MIGHT START.UM, SO THEN OUR CURRENT, OUR CURRENT AMOUNT OF M TWO AND M THREE, WE HAVE BOTH IN THE CITY, CORRECT? YES.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, BASICALLY NONE OF THOSE ARE FIXED FOUNDATIONS AND NONE OF THEM ARE FORCED TO BE FIXED.
FOUNDATIONS DID SOME CHOOSE TO, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
GARY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO SAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THOUGH.
GARY, IN YOUR, IN YOUR REVIEW, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR MANUFACTURED HOMES, IT'S USUALLY YOU AND I, THAT ARE LOOKING AT THEM FROM A, FROM A CODE REVIEW STANDPOINT.
ARE ANY OF THEM ON A FIXED FOUNDATION LIKE PIER AND BEAM OR SLAB? I DON'T THINK MANY MAR UH, GARY, ARE YOU MUTED? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
NO, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ON, UH, ON PEERS.
UH, VERY, VERY, VERY RARELY DO WE EVER SEE ANYTHING ON THE ACTUAL, A FIXED FOUNDATION OR ANY TYPE OF A RUNNER? UM, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, REGARDLESS, UH, WE DID GET UP BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UM, SUPPRESSIVE, SOILS, UM, SAND PLAY, UM, AROUND.
SO WE REQUIRE THAT REGARDLESS THE, UH, THE PEERS THAT WE THEN WE USUALLY SEE RIGHT NOW THERE, ARE THEY MORE LIKE A STACK CINDER BLOCK KIND OF DESIGN OF SORTS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR? YES.
MAJORITY OF THE MAR THEY START OFF WITH A, A FOOTING, UH, DEPENDING IT COULD BE A 24 INCH 30 IS 36 INCH, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE STYLE OF THE MANUFACTURED HOME THAT'S BEING INSTALLED.
UM, BUT THEN THEY DO HAVE, UM, CINDERBLOCK, UH, APPEARS TO GO ON TOP OF THOSE.
UM, ON OCCASION I HAVE SEEN, UH, ENGINEERED METAL BEAMS. UM, BUT I THINK I'VE ONLY DONE MAYBE TWO OF THOSE IN LAST YEAR, BUT THE MAJORITY OF MARS CINDERBLOCK.
AND I HAD A QUESTION TOO, WHEN THEY COME IN TO GET A PERMIT FOR THESE, DO THEY BRING IN THE PROOF THAT THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURED HOME IS A HUD CERTIFIED PRODUCT IN TERMS OF BUILDING STANDARDS AND HPAC AND ALL THAT.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A RED TAG ON, RIGHT.
WE, WE DO GET A NUMBER FROM THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER, UM, A HUD BUILDING.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T GO IN THERE AND, AND STAY, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA PUT TEMPERED GLASSES OR LOCATION, SMOKE DETECTOR SAW AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S ALL REGULATED BY A THIRD PARTY ENTITY.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE PEERS CONCERNED, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH EXPANSIVE SOILS, DIFFERENT TYPES OF SOILS AROUND, UH, WE DO, UH, DO A PER PARCEL AND WE REQUIRE THAT IT'S A SITE-SPECIFIC, UM, AND THAT THE PE, UH, STAMPS IT ACCORDINGLY.
SO ARE WE GETTING MANUFACTURED HOMES IN TOWN THAT ARE NOT MEETING HUD STANDARDS FOR BUILDING? WE WILL RECEIVE A, WHEN THEY PULL A PERMIT, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A, UH, HUD, UH, NUMBER ON IT.
SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS IT'S BEEN INSPECTED BY A THIRD PARTY.
SO I GUESS REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE YOU HAVE ON HIM, THREE IS BORING.
SO IF YOU'RE GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH YOUR IDEA.
AND SO MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE, IF I'M A DEVELOPER, LET ME PUT MY DEVELOPER HAT ON REAL QUICK, AND I'M DEVELOPING THIS PRODUCT.
I'M GOING TO MAXIMIZE THAT SLAB, OR NO MATTER WHAT MAKE IT THE LARGEST SIZE THAT CAN FIT WITHIN THE LAW.
UM, I COULD, I COULD SEE WHY THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT.
AND, AND TO, TO SOLIDIFY THAT POINT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A M THREE DEVELOPER AND YOU PEOPLE MOVE THEIR HOUSES ON AND OFF, WE GET, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SUNSET RIDGE, NEVER HAD EVEN THE ORIGINAL PHASE.
WE WILL OCCASIONALLY GET THEM SEVILLE SOMEONE WILL TAKE, PICK UP THEIR HOUSE AND TAKE IT WITH THEM AND WE GET A NEW ONE THERE.
AND SO THAT MEANS IF THE HOUSE FOOTPRINT DOESN'T FIT, IF IT HAD A PERMANENT FOUNDATION BEFORE THEY'D HAVE TO, IT WOULD REALLY LIMIT WHICH HOUSE COULD FIT THERE.
THE NEXT ONE ON TOP OF THE SETBACKS, IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT MAXIMUMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF MY, EVERYTHING ALREADY THERE.
ISN'T THAT GOING TO BE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEXT UNIT? I MEAN, WOULDN'T IT BE JUST AS MUCH OF A CONSIDERATION.
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IT PUT HERS IN MY MIND AND, AND I'M DOING, I'M LOOKING AT THINKING ABOUT THIS JUST FROM AN EVERYDAY KIND OF PERSON.I'M THINKING I'M NOT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
I'M NOT THE MINE INSPECTOR, BUT FOOTERS ARE ONE THING.
CAUSE THEY'RE THERE AT GROUND LEVEL.
BUT WHENEVER YOU START GOING ABOVE GROUND VERTICAL WITH YOUR FOUNDATION, THE HOUSE PRETTY MUCH I WOULD THINK NEEDS TO MATCH THAT.
AND SO IT STARTS TO LIMIT THE MARKETABILITY OF THE SITE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY OWNS THE LAND UNDERNEATH, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN AND PAY RENT.
IT'S EASY TO PULL FOOTERS OUT.
IT'S NOT EASY OR CHEAP TO PULL A FOUNDATION OUT REPORT.
AND THEN I'M THINKING IF SOMEBODY DOES MOVE AND THE FOUNDATION IS DAMAGED, THEY HAVE TO GET THAT, THAT FOUNDATION RE-CERTIFIED TO THEM ALLOW A NEW HOME TO, TO SIT ON IT, TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO I COULD SEE WHERE HAVING THREE MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THIS.
UM, WE DEFINITELY WANNA HEAR FROM EACH OF YOU JUST SAID, YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE LEANING ON THIS AND WE CAN KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
JUST ME PERSONALLY, I TYPICALLY, I LIKE AS A GENERAL IDEA TO LET THE MARKET DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO LET THE MARKET DECIDE.
AND HOPEFULLY THROUGHOUT TIME YOU'LL END UP HAVING MULTIPLE OPTIONS, BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE CHEAPEST OPTION IS, IS THE ONE CHOSEN.
AND SO WHEN YOUR CITY HAS ENOUGH OF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS OUR HOUSES WITH GARAGES IN THE FRONT, EVENTUALLY YOU MAKE A RULE SAYING PEOPLE GET SO BY THAT KIND OF HOUSE, THERE'S PLENTY OF VARSITY, BUT NOW WE KEEP MAKING MORE HOUSES.
WE MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE IN THIS SITUATION TOO.
WE'VE GOT HIM TWO, WE'VE GOT HIM THREE WITHOUT THESE FRONT OF FOUNDATIONS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE OUR CITY'S GOING TO HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FUTURE M TWO AND THREE PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
BUT, UM, I THINK, I THINK FOR M TWO SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS THE RIGHT MOVE, UH, FOR M THREE.
I AM HAPPY TO GO WITH, WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION ON THIS, BUT PERSONALLY I DO SUPPORT IT FOR M TO, AND FOR ME I'M, I MEAN, I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE UNITS.
AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE BOTH IN M TWO N THREE, PARTICULARLY I'M THREE, I GUESS, IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEIR ONLY HOUSING OPTION, OR THEY'D BE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND THIS IS AN TYPICALLY THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE WORKFORCE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MAKE LESS THAN, THAN THEY CAN AFFORD THEN THAT THEY COULD EVEN GET MAYBE INTO AN APARTMENT.
AND SO THEY GET LESS THAN DESIRABLE RATES IN TERMS, TYPICALLY PEOPLE THAT ARE LOW AND VERY LOW INCOME DO NOT HAVE IDEAL CREDIT.
SO THE RATES IN TERMS ARE HIGHER.
AND WHEN YOU'RE DOING FOR SALE BY OWNER AND FINANCED BY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE RATES IN TERMS MIGHT BE.
BUT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY MISSES A PAYMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REGULATED.
SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I DO COME FROM A GOVERNMENT BACKGROUND, SO, BUT I'M PRO BUSINESS.
SO I KIND OF FEEL BAD BECAUSE OUR MISSION IS LOW AND VERY LOW INCOME POPULATIONS IN A LOT OF WAYS, WE HAVE TO KIND OF BE WATCHING OUT FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN BE THE RECIPIENTS OF, OR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT NO ONE'S WATCHING OUT FOR THEM.
YOU AND I KNOW HOW TO WATCH OUT FOR OURSELVES HOPEFULLY.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO I ACTUALLY SUPPORT IT IN BOTH PLACES BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE IN MP3 TO, TO GET ALONE, TO FIX THEIR UNIT AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS DO NOT, I RESPECT THAT AND I WON'T ARGUE IT.
AND I, I GET, I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR THAT FOUNDATION? AND THEN THREE MORE THAN LIKELY THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY CAN GET A REAL LOAN TOO.
AND IN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE RATES OF TERMS BETWEEN FHA AND VA AND PRIVATE FINANCING, WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD CREDIT, IT'S, IT'S A GOVERNMENT LOAN IS A SECURE LOAN, LIKE, OKAY, FOR, LET'S SAY, I I'M IN RURAL, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ARE, YOU'RE ONE OF OUR BORROWERS.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A LIFE CRISIS, YOU LOSE A JOB.
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US AND WE HAVE YOUR LOAN FOR 30 YEARS, YOU CAN COME TO US AND SAY, WE'VE HAD THIS LIFE THING HAPPEN.WE CAN DO A MORATORIUM ON YOUR LOAN AND WE CAN REHAB OR TIES YOUR LOAN.
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE BACK, WE CAN DO THAT.
IT'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND IT'S A LOT OF PROCESS, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOES THAT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE THOUGH, IS, IS IF THEY'RE MOVING, LET'S SAY THIS IS A NEW BUYER, RIGHT? FIRST BUYER OR NEW PURCHASE.
AND LET'S SAY, ALL THEY CAN FIND IS, IS, IS AN MP3.
AND WE REQUIRE THAT FOUNDATION AND THEY'RE GETTING AN FHA SECURE LOAN TO MAKE THE PURCHASE, NOT AN UPGRADE, NOT A REFINANCE.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE, WITH THE LEAST WHEN, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M NOT SURE THAT FHA CAN DO THE PURCHASE ON AN MP3 BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THEY HAVE TO, I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THAT.
I KNOW FOR US, THEY HAVE TO OWN THE LAND IN THE THING, BUT I'M THINKING OF DOWN THE ROAD WHEN PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OUR BORROWERS, UM, ARE ON DISABILITY.
MAY NEVER, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE ENTRY-LEVEL HOUSING.
THIS MAY BE ALL, THEY CAN AFFORD THEIR WHOLE LIFE.
WE HAD A LADY COME AND SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT WHO BOUGHT THEIR HOME AND THEY LIVE IN IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE OLD FARMERS HOME ADMINISTRATION.
SO THEY LIVE IN IT, THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.
AND SO, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER TYPE THING THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO THERE LAST TIME.
SO I'M KIND OF TRYING TO WATCH OUT FOR THEM AND BEING ABLE TO DO REPAIRS DOWN THE ROAD AND MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IN THAT SITUATION, HOW IT WILL BENEFIT THEM TO BE ON A FOUNDATION.
THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET THE TITLE ONE, THE FHA TITLE, ONE REHAB MONEY.
SO LET'S SAY THEY LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WITHOUT A FOUNDATION.
AND THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, I WANT TO GO TO KYLE WHERE MP3 THIS SECTION IT'S LEASED LAND IS GOING TO FINANCE THAT HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO NUMBER ONE, PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT AND THEN DO ANY REPAIRS TO IT.
I GUESS, AS MY, HOW DOES, HOW DOES A PERSON GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B USING USING THE, THOSE FUNDS? WE ACTUALLY, IF THEY'RE COMING TO US FOR REPAIRS, WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT UNIT ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION WITH THE LOAN GRANT.
AND IF THERE ARE AT LEAST IN THE LAND, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO TO THE, TO THE OWNER TO SAY, HEY, CAN I PUT UP PERMANENT FOUNDATION NOW? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BOXING OUT INDIVIDUALS.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR INTENTION, UH, AT ALL RIGHT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE PUT THIS ON M THREE, WE'RE NOT BOXING OUT INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN'T DO THAT, DO YOU DO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BE ON THESE PIECE OF LAND AND BE ABLE TO PUT A FOUNDATION DOWN USING FHA DOLLARS.
I MEAN, IF I WERE TO SPIN OWNER OF AN MP3 THREE, I'D LEAVE THE LOT WITHOUT A POOR FOUNDATION UNTIL I HAVE A BUYER.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO CHARGE THEM TO POUR THAT FOUNDATION.
WHERE'S THAT PERSON GOING TO GET THAT MONEY FROM IF THEY'RE MOVING FROM ANOTHER LOCATION.
AND, AND SO THE DEVELOPER IS TYPICALLY ALSO SELLING THE HOMES, RIGHT? MANUFACTURED HOMES.
ARE THEY ALSO SELLING THE MANUFACTURED HOMES? I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
IN TERMS OF THE M THREE, IF THE ORIGINAL HOMES GOING ONSITE ARE OWNED, OR IF THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO BUY THEM FROM THE DEVELOPER, NOW THEY CAN, THE DEVELOPER CAN THEN PROBABLY BUY THEM AS PART OF THE STIPULATION OF THE RAND.
LIKE IF I'M PUTTING A LIEN ON IT OR SOMETHING, I WOULD SUSPECT IF THEY'RE BEHIND ON THEIR RENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE OWN THEIR HOMES ALREADY AND THEY BRING THEM ONSITE.
SO WE SAW A LOT OF THAT WITH, UH, THE ROBERT'S RESORTS WENT UP THERE, HAVE BB ROAD, UM, LAKESIDE CROSSING ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE ALREADY OWN THE, THE RESIDENCE IS IN THE ROOM.
WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT WITH, UM, SUNSET RIDGE TOO, BUT THEIR ORIGINAL PHASE OF SUNSET RIDGE IS, IS BUILT OUT THERE.
THEY'RE LOADING HOMES ON THE FIRST PHASE OF SECTION TWO OF PHASE TWO, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ADDING THEM AND THEY'RE IN DESIGN AND, OR CONSTRUCTING THE PHASE TWO, B, C, D, OR IN A BIND THERE.
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COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS I SAID, I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO.I ONLY KNOW THE FINANCE AND PEOPLE'S SIDE, BUT MY HESITATION WITH, WITH THEM THREE WITH A POURED FOUNDATION IS IF, IF PEOPLE CAN AND DO PICK UP, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON LEASE PROPERTY, YOU PICK UP YOUR HOME AND MOVE THE NEXT PERSON COMING IN.
YOU'RE LIMITING THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE ABILITY.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT FITS THAT MOLD OR NOT.
NOW IF IT'S ON, IF IT'S ON A PIER AND BEAM AND YOU CAN MOVE THE FLOATERS EASILY, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.
SO YOU'RE ALLOWING THAT KIND OF TRANSITION TO HAPPEN.
IF YOU JUST, YOU PUT YOUR, YOUR HOUSE THERE, SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU GOT TO MOVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COME IN WITHOUT BUYING THE PROPERTY AND EITHER USE THE EXISTING FOOTER OR MOVE THEM TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
YOU DO THAT WITH A FOUNDATION YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH STUCK EITHER YOU FIT THAT PROPERTY, WHICH MAY MEAN HAVING TO GET THE TOTALLY NEW HOME TO PUT IN THEM.
OR ARE YOU TELLING THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER, SORRY, YOU'RE STUCK WITH THIS.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN SOMEBODY AWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO FIT THERE.
I THINK FOR HIM TOO, I DON'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH IT AT ALL.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THE IDEA IS THAT PEOPLE OWN THE LAND.
AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A POURED FOUNDATION ON LAND THAT THEY OWN, THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S MORE OF A VESTED INTEREST FOR THEM TO DO IT.
AND IF SOMEONE, IF THEY SELL IT, THEN THEY'RE GOOD.
THEN THAT MEANS THE PERSON THAT'S BUYING.
AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT WITH THEM THREE NOW, HOW OFTEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF YOU, I DON'T WANT TO, I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO OWN A HOME AND TO HAVE A HOME WHEREVER THEY WANT TO PUT IT AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT AT THE GREAT IDEA, BUT YOU DON'T WANT IT IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT LIMIT.
WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO GO IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
I WANT TO TAKE IT FROM THE REVERSE CONTEXT CAUSE I ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE OPPOSITE VIEW OF WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING HERE, WHICH IS THAT I DON'T CARE IF WE DO IT FOR HIM TOO, OR NOT, THAT THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
UM, BUT THEN THINK IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT.
IF NOT THESE PEOPLE WHO OWN FEE SIMPLE THERE LOTS OF MEN, BUT WHERE IT DOES COME IN TO ME IS WHEN IT COMES INTO LEAST LOTS WITH PRIVATE ROADS INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE MOBILITY OF THESE HOMES, BUT IF YOU'RE LEASING, IT, CHANCES ARE, YOU'RE NOT MOVING YOUR HOME AS OFTEN AS YOU MIGHT.
AND YOU HAD THE CHOICE TO PUT YOUR HOME.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE BENEFIT ACTUALLY COMES IN.
WE TALKED ABOUT NOT HAVING TO OWN OR LEASE OR TO GET $7,500 TO FIX THINGS.
THAT'S A BIG DEAL TAKE AFTER A WINTER STORM, LIKE THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THOSE FUNDS FOR FOLKS.
LIKE THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING.
WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT HE DOES, UH, RSA HAS THE ACCESS FOR IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I SEE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS COMING IN.
LIKE I DO QUITE A BIT OF WORK WITH AROUND THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THIS KIND OF THING.
AND HERE HE IS KIND OF, AND ALSO IN THE AUSTIN AREA.
AND I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE THESE, LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THEM NOT TO INVEST IN IT AND FOLKS DON'T GET THOSE OPTIONS TO REINVEST IN THEIR OWN HOME.
CAUSE LIKE, I THINK THAT YOU MADE COMMISSIONER IS HAVING A GREAT POINT, WISH THAT THESE, THIS MIGHT BE THE ONLY, THIS MIGHT BE THE ONE THEY ARE THEY'RE IN FOR THAT, FOR THE POINT IN TIME OF THEIR LIFE, IF THEY CAN CONTINUE TO LEASE THAT, THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
UH, AND I THINK THAT TO ME IS THE IMPORTANT PART.
IF OWNERS WANT TO DO WHATEVER, I THINK OWNERS SHOULD HAVE AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEING USED FOR ECONOMIC GAIN, FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO LEASE TO OTHER PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO PUT AS MUCH RESTRICTIONS AS POSSIBLE.
SO BECAUSE THEY WILL ONLY HAVE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THEY NEED TO IN ORDER TO MAKE THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE? RIGHT.
UM, SO JUST, I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON A VOTING AGENDA ITEM IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR BOTH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR M TWO AND MP3, UM, I WOULD PREFER THOSE TO BE SEPARATE VOTES, BUT YEAH, IT COULD BE ONE ITEM OR TWO ITEMS AND WE, WE COULD DO SEPARATE GOATS IN THAT ONE ITEM THOUGH.
AND THEN, AND THEN THAT WILL VERY MUCH GIVE A BIT MORE TIME TO THINK THOSE PERSONALLY WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS TODAY.
AND SO THAT WAY, WHEN WE DOES COME UP TO A VOTING MEETING, WE CAN VOTE ON HOW YOU, IT MIGHT BE THE SAME VOTE FOR M TWO M THREE AT, BUT, UH, BUT MAKE THEM TWO ITEMS OR JUST ONE ITEM THAT WE CAN SEPARATE AS WE NEED TO.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOTH THOSE, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD AND LETTING THEM ONE GO AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR OPINION IF WE CHANGED ANYTHING THERE OR NOT.
SO MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTING
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MEETING? I THINK IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR KIND OF GENERALLY WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING AT.AND IF WE PUT, WHEN WE PUT US ON A VOTING MEETING, UM, WE'LL HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS AND VOTE, TO TAKE MOTIONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF FUN STUFF.
IF THINGS NEED TO BE EDITED OR YOU WANT DIRECTION SPECIFICALLY ON THE DAYAS ABSOLUTELY THERE'S STUFF LIKE THAT TOO.
SO, UM, SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN GRAPH IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A RELATIVELY SIMPLE, WHAT I'M THINKING IS IT'D BE A REALLY RELATIVELY SIMPLE CODE AMENDMENT IT'S AS SIMPLE AS PERMANENT FOUNDATIONS ARE REQUIRED THEM TO THAT'S IT.
SO, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE, UM, I MEAN, I MIGHT TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF PERMANENT FOUNDATION, BUT LIKE I'LL PROBABLY COORDINATE WITH GARY ON THAT, I THINK, UM, FROM A BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, THERE'S NO, UM, ISSUES BETWEEN THE ZONING AND, AND BUILDING IN ANY TIME OUR ZONING AND BUILDING CODE CAN MATCH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK I HAD SOME HUD CRITERIA THAT I SENT YOU THERE.
THEY HAD SOME SPECS ON THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FOUNDATIONS.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT AGAIN.
BUT ONE WAS A SLAB, ONE WAS WOOD AND MAYBE ONE WAS A WALL CONCRETE WALL OR SOMETHING.
BUT THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT SPECS THAT THEY PROVIDED AS EXAMPLES OF WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED PERMANENT FIBRILLATION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE? OKAY.
CAN WE LET GARY GO? OR GARY HAD SOMETHING, NOT MY PERMISSION TO LEAVE, BUT I THINK WE GOT EVERYTHING COVERED.
WE NEED, WE NEEDED, SO I APPRECIATE IT TOO.
[4.C. Discussion regarding possible conditional use process for gas stations, car washes, andself-storage facilities.]
OKAY.UM, I DON'T REMEMBER FOUR C DISCUSSION REGARDING POSSIBLE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS FOR GAS STATIONS, CAR WASHES, AND SELF STORAGE FACILITIES.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY BEFORE? I JUST GIVE MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, FROM A, HOW WE PROCESS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT PROCESS IN PLACE, UH, FROM A, UM, WHETHER IT, WE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE FOR LIKE HEIGHTENED, UH, EXCEPTIONS THAT COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER ULTIMATELY, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY EASY PROCESS.
IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING THE, UM, THE GAS STATION ORDINANCE MORE NUANCED THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS WHAT ARE THOSE NUANCES? RIGHT.
SO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS TODAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED HER THIS BEYOND THE, UM, ON THE AGENDA.
UH, I TYPICALLY DON'T LIKE PUTTING SOMETHING ON AN AGENDA WITHOUT HAVING A, A PRETTY CONCRETE ANSWER TO PRESENT TO YOU.
AND I WAS HOPING I WOULD HAVE THAT BY NOW, BUT I, BUT I DON'T.
SO THAT'S THE SITUATION WE'RE IN, UM, JUST RE RE UH, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO, WE, AS A P AND Z TALKED ABOUT THE THREE RESTRICTIONS FOR CAR WASHES, GAS STATIONS AND SELF STORAGE UNITS.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WASN'T MY, TO US, IT WENT TO COUNCIL AND IT DID PASS.
AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS OUR RULES GOING FORWARD CURRENTLY.
UM, THE CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE KYLE WOULD WANT AN EXCEPTION TO BE MADE.
WE WOULD WANT THERE TO BE AN OPTION FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE THAN JUST A GAS STATION, WAS WHAT I HAD IN MY MIND.
UM, AN HEB THAT WANTED TO PUT A GAS STATION IN A RUDY'S BARBECUE, WANT TO HAVE THEIR GAS PUMPS WITH IT.
IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ORDINANCE TREATS A, BUCKY'S JUST LIKE A, TO PUMP MOM AND POP GAS STATION.
AND SO THERE MIGHT BE CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE WE WOULD WANT, WHERE SOMEONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, CAN WE PLEASE CONSIDER COMING IN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE WITHIN A MILE OF ANOTHER GAS STATION OR SO FAR WITHIN A CARWASH OR SUCH, UM, THE ISSUE THAT I'VE HAD THOUGH, THAT WE HAVEN'T QUITE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER IS IF YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS, WHAT WOULD BE THE STIPULATIONS THAT SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO MEET IN ORDER TO QUALIFY? AND, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I, I KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING TOWARDS THE HEB, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT IF YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO BE MORE THAN A GAS STATION, WELL, MOST GAS STATIONS ARE THEY'RE CONVENIENCE STORES THAT THEY SELL BREAKFAST TACOS.
UM, AND SO THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY A GOOD ANSWER.
AND I WAS TRYING JUST TO JUST SO THIS DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY, UH, UM, COME BACK TO BITE US AND WE LOSE OUT ON SOMETHING
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THAT WE MIGHT HAVE NEEDED HERE IN KYLE.UH, BUT, BUT I COULDN'T COME UP WITH A GOOD ANSWER.
AND SO IF WE CAN COME UP WITH ONE THAT THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
IF, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION THAT IS FINE AS WELL, UH, COUNSEL CAN DEFINITELY RE-EXAMINE THIS WHEN THEY SEE FIT.
AND, UH, BUT IF WE HAVE AN IDEA THAT THEY, WE CAN TAKE TO THEM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
IF NOT, I'D ABSOLUTELY BE FINE WITH LETTING THIS GO FOR AT LEAST FOR NOW.
SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY THOUGHTS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE.
I COULD SEE IF IT WAS NOT EVEN AN HEB, BUT ANOTHER GROCERIES, A REAL GROCERY STORE IN AN AREA OF THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDED A GROCERY STORE.
I MEAN, THOSE GAS PUMPS ARE REVENUE GENERATOR.
AND IF WE WANTED TO ATTRACT A REAL GROCERY STORE, FULL GROCERY STORE, BUT ANOTHER MARKET AND ALL DAYS, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE INTO AN AREA OF, OF KYLE THAT DOES NOT HAVE THAT RESOURCE, IT'S A BIT MORE OF A FOOD DESERT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WELL LET YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO SERVE THE REST OF IT WOULD HAVE TO SERVE KYLE FOR MORE THAN CONVENIENCE, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A NEED THAT WE HAD.
WHAT WOULD ONE OF THEM? WELL, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT'S THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A BIG BOX GROCER OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT AVERAGE IS ACROSS THE US, AND THEN GO FROM THERE, RIGHT? IT'D BE LOWER THAT NUMBER A LITTLE BIT.
THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION THAT, UH, I WAS EVEN ANYTHING ALONG THOSE SAME LINES.
I COULDN'T COME UP WITH MUCH BETTER THAN THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE, IT, IT WOULD STILL, IT STILL MIGHT KNOCK OUT SOME OF THE OPTIONS I THINK WE MIGHT WANT IN KYLE, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULDN'T BE AN ANSWER FOR YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EAST KYLE COULD DEFINITELY USE MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE THINGS, ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN PARTS OF IT.
AND THERE ARE AREAS THAT COULD, BUT, UM, HOW DO WE SAY THIS PERSON MIGHT CALL OR THIS, THIS COMING MIGHT QUALIFY, BUT NOT THIS ONE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS SOLELY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ONE BUSINESS, WHAT ABOUT, IT'S A STRIP MALL, LIKE A STRIP MALL AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, A CONVENIENCE STORE, NO SALON, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THING.
AND THEN, OH, BY THE WAY, WE'RE ALL COMBINING, YOU KNOW, OR ONE OF US IS GOING TO BE, WE CAN STIPULATE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL THAT AN HEB AT LEAST, OR LARGER GROCERIES NOWADAYS HAVE IN CILIARY GAS PUMPS.
UM, HEB, I THINK HERE IS, I'M GUESSING IT'S, IT'S OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S, SO IS WALMART.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IT MUST BE COMBINED WITH, UH, WITH ANOTHER APPLICABLE USE.
IT COULD BE, WE NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK OVER THE LEGAL, BUT THAT MIGHT BE, OR EVEN LOOKING AT SAYS, SO HERE'S, HERE'S MY CONCERN IS WHERE ESSENTIALLY SAYING YOUR NLI NEEDS TO BE IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE GOING TO LET BUILD THE OUTSTATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS WELL, BUT WHY ARE YOU BOWING, MOM AND POP TWO PUMPS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS HEBS POSSUMS. I CSB IN HARBOR, YOU GET INTO ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS TERRITORY HERE.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU'RE A BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU.
BUT IF YOU'RE JANE THAT'S LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY 30 YEARS AND YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL LOT, NO, SORRY, YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR GAS STATION CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GENERATE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHY I WAS AGAINST THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT HAD, HAD COSTCO NOT, NOT HAVE BEEN BUILDING IT, HAD THEY COME TO US NEXT MONTH AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD, BUT I'M SORRY, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR GAS PUMPS.
I'VE, I'VE NO IDEA HOW IMPORTANT THEIR GAS PUMPS WERE TO THEM.
BUT, BUT, BUT IF IT WAS IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THAT'S WHY I WAS FEARFUL OF THE, I UNDERSTAND THE PROS IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT A TWO PUMP GAS STATION ON ALL FOUR CORNERS OF OUR INTERSECTIONS.
UM, BUT I'M AFRAID OF THE, THAT, THAT THE COST IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES ARE MORE THAN WE WERE EXPECTING.
AND SO I WAS TRYING TO FIND A WAY AROUND THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHT AND THAT'S WHY I WAS AGAINST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
BUT SINCE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, I'M JUST AFRAID OF MISSING OUT ON SOMETHING.
THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THIS RULE IN PLACES, WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE TO REQUEST IT FOR VARIANTS? I MEAN, IF THEY PUT IT IN SAYING THEY CAN'T BE WITHIN X MILES OR X, YOU KNOW, HALF A MILE OR A MILE,
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WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, BUT A COMPANY WANTS TO COME IN OR A MOM AND POP WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING IN CAN'T THEY APPLY FOR A ZONING VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND PUT THAT THERE.NO, WHERE WITHIN THOSE FAMILIES, HERE'S A SCENARIO AND IT'S ALREADY IN THE CODE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MUST PROVE X NUMBER THEY INSTANTLY, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR ANOTHER HEB.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW WITH COSTCO THINKING THAT HEB IS COMING ANYTIME SOON, UH, I THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
UM, ESPECIALLY WITH COSTCO COMING IN, RIGHT? EVEN ON THE EAST SIDE, ROOF'S EQUALS EQUALS DOLLARS.
AND KYLE DOESN'T HAVE THE ROOFS TO, TO SUPPORT ANOTHER HEB ON TOP OF THE ONE WE HAVE PLUS A COSTCO.
UM, BUT HE COULD SNEAK IN HIS MOM AND POP WITH TWO PUMPS WHO SAYS, HEBS, YOU KNOW, OH, HEY, ROOFTOPS ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
THEY DON'T GET THEIR APPLICATION IN BEFORE MOM AND POP DOES MOM AND POP GETS THE SPOT.
B2B NOW FALLS WITHIN THAT CLOSE.
AND THE 5,000 IS GOOD BECAUSE AS WE GROW, IT GETS MORE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT LIKE HEB SPECIFICALLY, OR ANY KIND OF GROCERY STORE, IT DOESN'T JUST SERVE THAT ONE HALF MILE OF THE CITY, THE HEB IN OUR CITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH KYLE, EVEN BEYOND KYLE HE'S.
AND, AND SO THE 5,000 IS A GOOD, IS IT IS GOOD FOR WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT THAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR THAT MOM AND POP GAS STATION.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAME THING THAT SHOULD BE APPLICABLE TO YOU SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A WIDER AREA.
IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, HOW YOU MOM AND POP GAS STATION APPLICATIONS, HAVE YOU RECEIVED, HOW DO YOU FIND MOM AND POP, LET'S SAY FOUR PUMPS OR LESS, VERY FEW.
BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE ABOUT, WELL PARKING STALLS.
I DON'T, I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND MOSTLY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE THE RESEARCH, BUT WHAT IS A PUMP ONE TO TWO PARKING STALLS.
SO, SO FOR, THEY'RE USUALLY ON AVERAGE, ABOUT FOUR PUMPS FOR EIGHT CARS AND OVER ONE CAME UNDER NEWBORN CANOPY.
THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR FOUR TO FOUR TO SIX TIMES, THEY'RE LOCALLY OWNED FRANCHISES FRANCHISES.
MY WORD IS PROGRAMMING SOMETHING.
I GET REQUESTS FOR GAS STATIONS.
WELL, MOSTLY ON THE, ON THE LOCAL SCALE ACTUALLY, BUT MIKE IS, AND I DON'T, MAYBE THIS IS TOTALLY OFF SUBJECT OR OUT OF BOUNDS BUTTON.
DO WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON HOW CLOSE THEY CAN BE TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS? AND CAN THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS SORT OF, NOT FROM A DISTANCE PERSPECTIVE, BUT IF THEY ARE ADJACENT TO, THEY SHARE A BOUNDARY PROPERTY BOUNDARY WITH US WITH RESIDENTIAL USES, THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE, UM, SITE DESIGN AND METRICS SPLIT INTO IT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SOLID SCREENING FENCE, SIX TO EIGHT FEET HIGH, UM, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE LANDSCAPING, BUT FOR ON THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'LL AT MATURITY WILL HELP DEAD NOISE, LIGHT, UM, MITIGATION, SOUND, MITIGATION STUFF LIKE, ALL RIGHT, BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS TO HAVE A DELIBERATION OF GAS STATIONS GOING INTO BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S ONE THING, IF THERE'S A GAS STATION THERE AND YOU BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING IS FIRST, BUT IF YOU BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COULD BE ZONED FOR GAS, IF YOU CAN, THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT EVERYBODY THAT'S LIVING IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS A LARGE DEALER COUNCIL WAS THAT WAS KIND OF THEIR MINDSET THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE.
UH, THEY USE THE EXAMPLE OF YOU STEPH AT ONE 50.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE ANYTHING COMMERCIAL POPPING UP ON THERE AS A GAS STATION.
AND THEY'RE NOT WRONG BECAUSE SO THE FIRST ONES I GO IN THERE, THE, FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE THE LOW, THEY'RE THE EASIEST.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, BUT THEY'RE THE EASIEST COMMERCIAL ENTITY THAT CAN GO IN BEING THE VANGUARD OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO ESTABLISH BECAUSE THERE'S THE RESIDENCES RIGHT THERE.
IT'S CONVENIENCE FOR A REASON, YOU GET YOUR GAS ON YOUR WAY HOME, OR WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING THE WORKDAY'S RIGHT THERE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
OPENING A GAS STATION IS PRETTY LOW RISK AND BRING THIS FORWARD.
IT WAS NOT MY INTENT TO GO AGAINST WHAT THE COUNCIL WISH.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT THEM TO BE THE GAS STATIONS, ALL THESE PLACES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING AND I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING IN CASE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR THEM.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL DECIDED.
MAYBE A FUTURE COUNCIL WILL CHANGE THINGS A BIT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW, CAN WE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO HELP THEM WITH THESE, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.
I DO NOT THINK HEB IS GOING TO COME TOMORROW AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE READY TO BUILD HEB TO FOR PILE.
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UH, BUT THE ARE JUST TO JUST A PRIME EXAMPLE, I'M SURE THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS I'M NOT THINKING OF.AND MOST I'M NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT GAS STATIONS.
UM, YOU'D BE BECAUSE HAD NEW BRAUNFELS, I'VE HAD THIS RULE IN PLACE BUCKY'S WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO IN BECAUSE THERE WAS A GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, AND SO, UH, BUT THIS IS NOT JUST FOR, THIS IS MAINLY FOR GAS STATIONS, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I PUT ALL THREE ON THE ITEM.
I PUT GAS STATION, CAR WASH, AND SELF STORAGE FACILITIES.
I CAN'T SEE THE, THE, THE SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD MISS OUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT'S SELF STORAGE FACILITIES.
UM, BUT, BUT I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE WITH THE BOTH GAS STATIONS AND CAR WASHES.
I THINK YOU HAVE AN AGB THAT KIND OF PLACE MIGHT WANT TO PUT BOTH THOSE IN.
AND SO I JUST THOUGHT WE SHOULD DISCUSS, I PUT ALL THREE OF THEM ON THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY THE GAS STATION.
MAINLY CAR WASH IS SECONDARY THAT I THINK MAY AFFECT SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE MIGHT MISS.
I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING ALL THE RESTRICTION FOR CAR WASHES.
LIKE I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH OF THE LUXURY RIDE AND I'M NOT REALLY AS WORRIED ABOUT IT.
WHEREAS GAS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU WANT TO HAVE IT NEAR YOUR HOUSE.
SO LIKE WHEN WE LIMIT GAS STATIONS, WE ALSO LIKE PUT PRESSURE AS WE CONTINUE BUILDING, UM, ON CURRENT GAS STATIONS.
SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE GAS STATIONS ESSENTIALLY POPPING UP IN A GRID FORM? LIKE HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THAT DEMAND SERVICE? LIKE THAT IS THE ONE THING I WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER TWO.
I'M LIKE, WE, WE DID NOT WITH THIS CODE AMENDMENT AND I'LL PUT LIMITS ON HOW MANY PUMPS THEY CAN HAVE IF THEY HAVE, NOW THIS, YOU HAVE TO BE FORWARD THINKING IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING DESTINATION NOW, KYLE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE EXTRA LAND AVAILABLE, THEN YOU COULD HAVE AN EXTENT AND EXPANSION OF IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXPANSION OF IT WHERE YOU'D HAVE MORE PUMPS.
SO BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE FROM THE JEEP, IT'S BASED ON THE PROPERTY LINE EDGE, AND THEN YOU DRAW A BUFFER AROUND IT OF A HALF MILE RADIO.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT FROM ALL THE PARKING AND HEB AND FILL IT WITH, GUESS WHAT? ONE OF THESE DAYS, I, IT GETS BIG ENOUGH LIKE OUTFIT, I GUESS THAT'S AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.
AND IT IS BECAUSE THE CODE ALREADY ALREADY ACCOUNTS FOR HIGHER POPULATION, HIGHER POPULATION TRIGGERS THE ABILITY TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL GAS STATION.
SO IT SAYS IT'S INFILL BECAUSE WHAT'S THAT, WHAT IS WE HAVE NOW HAS ALREADY SEEN WITHIN THE HOUSES PROLIFERATING.
BUT IF YOU, BASED ON THE, THE CREATION, THE DATA, CREATING THIS AGREEMENT, IF A CERTAIN AREA ADDS AN ESTIMATED 5,000 PERSON POPULATION.
WOULD YOU SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN BUILD A GAS STATION.
WE DON'T PUT ANY ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS ON IT.
OTHER THAN IT WAS ALREADY IN THE ZONING CODE FROM A SITE DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ADDING 5,000 UNITS AROUND THE HIV AREA.
SO AGB ISN'T GOING TO, AND IT ISN'T, I ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE MOST POPULAR SNOWBALL BY ME OR CONNECT GO, BIKING TENDS TO BE BUSY ALL THE TIME.
AND THAT'S WHEN I GO TO THE PERSONAL.
SO, BUT I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AS, AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS OUT, THOSE GAS STATIONS ARE GOING TO GO WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CENTRALIZE THEM.
SO, SO GOING BACK TO THE HEART OF THE ITEM, UM, DO WE, ONE, WOULD WE WANT FOR THERE TO BE A WAY FOR CERTAIN BUSINESSES TO AT LEAST ASK, CAN BE, CAUSE, CAUSE THAT FEELS RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT I'M SAYING, JUST, JUST BASED ON CODE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR RS OR WHERE YOU ARE.
UH, IF YOU ARE WITHIN THAT, WITH THAT, WITHIN THAT RANGE FOR GAS STATIONS, CAR WASHES, OR SELF STORAGE UNITS, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER IS JUST, NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD THAT HERE.
UM, AND SO THERE'S NO PROCESS TO ASK, WELL, OUR SITUATION IS DIFFERENT.
COULD WE, SO WHAT DID YOU EVEN WANNA, YOU EVEN WANT TO RECOMMEND A COUNCIL THAT THERE BE A PROCESS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN TWO, UM, ARE WE, YOU KNOW, IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE A POSSIBLE REASON AS TO HOW WE, SOMEONE CAN REQUEST OR NOT, OR SO, YEAH.
DO DO EVEN AGREE WITH US IN THE FIRST PLACE IS, AND I'LL BE FRANK.
I ASKED INTERNALLY, I ASKED THIS QUESTION.
UM, I SAID, HEY, DO WE NEED TO, IS A VISIT A GEOGRAPHIC FREQUENCY PERSPECTIVE? LIKE, OR IS IT A HOW THE GAS STATION, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF PRESENTS ITSELF.
IF WE, AND I USE THIS EXAMPLE ALL THE TIME IN MY MIND FROM AN URBAN FORM PERSPECTIVE, BUT MY DEGREE IS IN URBAN PLANNING, LIKE I WANT TO SEE WALKABLE, PEDESTRIAN, PULL THE BUILDING UP TO THE STREET, THE RIGHT AWAY, EDGE WIDE SIDEWALKS, STREET TREES, ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL DOWN, YOU KNOW, HILL COUNTRY, DOWN, DOWN KIND OF STUFF.
BUT IF WE DID THE SAME THING FOR GAS STATIONS, BUT YOU FORCED THE PUMPS TO BE EITHER
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IN THE BACK OF THE, AT THE BACK OF THE LOT OR TO THE SIDE, DEPENDING ON SITE CONSTRAINTS, BUT NOT UP FRONT WHERE THEY USUALLY ARE AND YOU PULLED THE BUILDING UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY EDGE AND IT MADE IT ACTIVATE THE STREET, WHEREVER IT IS.IF THEY'RE WALKING INTO IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
THAT IS NOT STANDARD THAT AT ALL, NOT LITERALLY, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TRACTION IT WOULD GET, BUT IT, BUT I USE IT AS A EXTREME EXAMPLE.
LIKE IF WE, IF WE TWEAKED THE SITE DEVELOPMENT DESIGNS VERSUS, AND IF THEY MET THOSE, THAT WOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR THEY WERE JUST ALLOWED TO DO, MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE 5,000 AND THAT PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK YOU NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC.
SO YEAH, ACTUALLY VERY RELATED, OR IT WAS JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY ABOUT THIS ON SOME LEGAL DOCUMENTS FOR, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR.
IT SAID, WELL, HARDSHIPS CAN BE CONSIDERED, WELL, WHAT'S A HARDSHIP.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THAT AGAIN, THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ARBITRARY CAPRICIOUS YES.
SO INSTEAD OF THAT, WE PUT IN VERY SPECIFIC, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT, NOT THE HARDSHIP THAT, BUT HERE'S THE PLAN, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR HARDSHIP IS, THIS IS, THIS IS HOW IT GOES.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE LIST OF CRITERIA.
UM, IF WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A LIST, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT AT LEAST I WOULD PERSONALLY SAY, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT, BUT THEN THIS COUNCIL.
I WAS GIVEN THE DIRECTION FOR GEOGRAPHIC SPACING.
SO EVEN WHY IT'S DRAFTED, EVEN IF IT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING, IT SHOULD STILL BE A MILE OR SO FROM THE NEXT GAS STATION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I DON'T NO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IS ONE, IS THE, IS IT HALF MILE, TWO MILES, THE MILD SPACING, ESSENTIALLY THE LINE, THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT'S JUST HOW YOU, THAT'S JUST HOW IT DRAFTED.
IT'S A HALF MILE RADIUS, BUT A MILE DIAMETER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, IS IT A FUNCTION? DO YOU REPLACE THE 5,000 PERSON ESTIMATE RULE WITH, OKAY.
MAYBE THEN IT'S THAT POPULATION ESTIMATE ESTIMATE IS REDUCED.
BUT TO DO THAT, TO GET THAT REDUCTION, THEN YOU COMPLY WITH THESE SITES, THESE EXTRA SITE INSURANCE KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT WE NEED MORE GAS STATIONS? I CAN ASK THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
I MEAN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, ANY PUBLIC CRY SAYING WE NEED MORE OR DOES COUNCIL FEEL THAT WE NEED MORE? OR IS IT THE OPPOSITE? IT'S NOT THAT FACEBOOK IS ANY INDICATION, BUT IT'S NOT A STATISTICALLY RELEVANT UNLESS YOU'RE, UM, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WE KNEW.
WE HAVE, THERE WAS ONE OF THE BACK OF DOCUMENTS.
WE ONLY DID THIS TIME AROUND 15 OR SO, BASED ON THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OR POPULATION PER CITY STORE GAS STATION, WE HAVE 26.
BUT, BUT I, I HAD ISSUES WITH THAT STUDY.
I MEAN, ONE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS NOWHERE IN THAT STUDY.
I FOUND THAT IT, THAT IT, UH, HE RECOGNIZED THAT WE WERE IN I 35 COMMUNITY, I, 35 COMMUNITY IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A COMMUNITY, SOMEWHERE ON 5 35, SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM 3 35.
IT ALSO, UM, AND ALSO AGAIN, JUST JUSTICE HAS ONE COUNCIL DISCUSS THIS.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GAS, GAS STATIONS AS IF THEY ARE ALL THE SAME AND THEY ARE NOT.
AND, AND, AND SO YES, THAT REPORT DID SAY WE HAD TOO MANY GAS STATIONS, BUT I THINK THERE WERE FACTORS THAT WERE NOT, THAT WERE NOT A PART OF THAT STUDY NUMBER OF PUMPS, ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND JUST THE FACT THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE YES.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, THERE MAY BE A GAS STATION SOMEWHERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE FLEA MARKET.
SO THAT'S RIGHT OFF OF 35, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 35, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO THAT GAS STATION IS DEFINITELY NOT A VERY GOOD THING, BUT, BUT WITHIN A HALF MILE, WITHIN A MILE, IT'S A LOT OF DISTANCE.
AND, AND, AND SO THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST THERE ARE NUANCED SITUATIONS WHERE I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO NEED MORE, BUT AS A WHOLE, DOES OUR CITY NEED MORE NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS? YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT.
UM, BUT I NEED TO SAY YOUR EXAMPLE, THERE'S AN ARCO AND THEN THE WALMART ONE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT WAS THE ONLY GAS STATION, HYPOTHETICALLY A MILE FROM THAT LOCATION IS A LOT OF SPACE.
AND SO, BUT YES, YOU ARE RIGHT.
THERE ARE GAS STATIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 35.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY BIGGEST.
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I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE I 30 THE CORRIDOR HAVING SO MANY GAS STATIONS AND I MENTIONED IT DURING THE WORKSHOP, WHAT RESTAURANT ONE NIGHT, NICE RESTAURANTS GOING TO WANT TO BE OFF AT 5 35 IS IF THEIR NEIGHBORS GAS STATION IS GOING TO BE VERY, YEAH.AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF, OFF TOPIC HERE, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT IF WE SAY, NO, I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T PUT A GAS STATIONS, LOCATION.
I'M GONNA PUT A MATTRESS STORE AND STAY, YOU KNOW, HOW HAVE WE DONE ANY BETTER, UH, ON, YOU KNOW, CASTLE DENTAL, OR WHOEVER IS GOING TO GO IN AROUND 35 AND, OR THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT OF, WE DON'T WANT THIS HERE, SO LET'S SAY NO TO THIS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD BE SAYING NO TO.
AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET GAS PUMPS, YOU KNOW, GAS IS JUST POPPING UP EVERYWHERE, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, MY SITUATION IS UNIQUE.
I CAN BRING A LOT TO KYLE MORE THAN JUST A GAS PUMP.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST PITCH THAT IDEA TO YOU.
UM, BUT IT IS VERY HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD THEN CALLED.
I WILL SAY, I AGREE WITH THAT SPECIFIC PART OF THIS AND PROBABLY ABOUT NO OTHER PART OF THE EXCEPTIONS.
UM, ONLY BECAUSE I DROVE ABOUT A MILE FROM MY HOUSE TO QUICK TRIP ANYWAY, TO GET GAS.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ARGUING OVER SCRAPS IN TERMS OF LIKE GOING A MILE, YOU GET A DEAL OF 25 MILES OUT.
IT'S 25 OF THOSE 25 MILES, BASICALLY FROM NEAR SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN AUSTIN TO HERE, LIKE ON THAT DEEP.
BUT A MILE IS REALLY NOT THAT LARGE.
THE EXCEPTION I DO, THE, I THINK IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT LIKE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING MORE THAN A GAS STATION, YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
IT'S IMPORTANT WHERE THERE IS GAS STATION AS A SECONDARY ASPECT.
LIKE, I ACTUALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING THE, THE, UH, MORE GEARED TOWARDS LIKE A WALKABLE, LIKE A MIXED USE STYLE, UM, COMMUNITY WHERE IT'S AT, BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES A CONVENIENT STORE, FIRST GAS STATIONS, LIKE IT'S SERVING ANOTHER NEED.
AND THAT TO ME IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HAVING JUST ANOTHER GAS STATION.
LIKE I THINK THAT'S THE, WHERE THE EXCEPTION COMES.
UM, SO FROM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE, ARE TURNING, THAT'S FINE.
UH, BUT FROM WHAT I GATHERED HERE, WE, WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING READY TO GO TO A DIGITAL VOTING MEETING AT ALL.
SO, UM, THIS MAY COME BACK AT ANOTHER WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, IF THIS DOES COME BACK THEN TO COME BACK TO ANOTHER WORKSHOP WE MIGHT HAVE BETTER, BETTER NAMES THEN NOT THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE DIRECTION IN THE WORKSHOP MEETING, BUT IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
IF YOU END UP DOING SOME RESEARCH AND YOU COME UP WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF ALTERNATIVES TO IT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
BECAUSE I CAN SEE GIVING COUNSEL SOME TOOLS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY CUB, IF THEY DON'T HAVE TOOLS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO USE IT OR NOT.
THE CONDITIONAL USE OR THE CONDITIONAL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A GIVEN.
SO IF WE GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN USE AT THEIR DISCRETION, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOOL THAT THEY COULD USE IF SOMETHING COMES ALONG.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA IS, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF CREATING TOOLS THAT GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO INCENTIVIZE, PARDON TO, TO INCENTIVIZE, TO INCENTIVIZE SOMETHING.
THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KYLE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D REALLY LIKE.
I KEEP THINKING OF A GROCERY STORE ON, ON THE EAST SIDE, NOT AN HEB, BUT YOU KNOW, A NICE, DECENT GROCERY STORE ON THE SIDE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER FIVE GERMAN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND.
UM, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.