[1. Call Meeting To Order]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? TIMMINS MARTHA HERE.
NICOLE JAMES HERE, CHASE HERE.
WE HAVE A QUORUM NEXT MINUTES.
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UH, THREE, A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MEDS FOR JULY 12TH, 2022, REGULAR MEETING AND JULY 26TH, 2022.IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TIMMINS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
I DON'T REMEMBER FOR, UH, I'M SORRY.
UH, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES.
YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THAT YOU FELT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? YOU MAY COME UP NOW SEEING NONE.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE JUST TO COMMENTS.
THIS THE CONFERENCE IS NOW CLOSED.
NUMBER FIVE, EXECUTIVE SESSION
[A.
Executive Session pursuant to Texas Local Government Code section 551.071 Consultation with Attorney regarding procedural matters related to:
- Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Gilbert J. Guerra, P.E., (Z-22-0102) to rezone approximately 0.246 acres of land from ‘W’ (Warehouse) to ‘RS’ (Retail Services) for property located at 23091 IH-35 in Hays County, Texas.
- Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Joe Brooks, (Z-22-0099) to rezone approximately 18.84 acres of land from ‘RS’ (Retail Services) to ‘PUD’ (Planned Unit Development) for property located approximately 400’ southwest of the intersection of Marketplace Ave & City Lights Dr. in Hays County, Texas.
- Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Jackson Walker LLP, (Z-22-0103) to rezone approximately 54.223 acres of land from ‘RS’ (Retail Services), ‘R-1-T’ (Townhomes), ‘R-1-2’ (Single Family Residential) & ‘T/U’ (Transportation/Utility) to ‘PUD’ (Planned Unit Development) for property located at 1500 E RR 150 in Hays County, Texas
- Consider a plat vacation per Section 41-57, for Lot 1A, Kyle 150/I-35 Subdivision , by request of Patrick Kilroy of SMW Engineering Group.
RETAIL SERVICES ARE ONE T TOWNHOMES ARE ONE, TWO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND T U TRANSPORTATION UTILITY TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 5 0 0 EAST ARE OUR ONE 50 IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS, AND CONSIDER A PLAT VACATION PER SECTION FOUR, ONE DASH FIVE SEVEN FOR LOT ONE A KYLE ONE 50 SLASH
WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION NOW.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
[6. Consent]
NEXT ITEM, SIX CONSENT FOR OUR CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE ITEMS A THROUGH G MR. CHAIR.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT SECOND.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES TO, UH, APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH G.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[A.
Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Gilbert J. Guerra, P.E., (Z-22-0102) to rezone approximately 0.246 acres of land from ‘W’ (Warehouse) to ‘RS’ (Retail Services) for property located at 23091 IH-35 in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
UH, WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES.
YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOU FELT ASSISTANT COMMENTS FORM.
I WILL GO AND CLOSE CITIZEN, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MR. ATKINSON, WE'LL ATKINSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE RECORD.
SO BEFORE YOU, UH, WE HAVE A REZONING REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.0276 ACRES AS A DOWN ZONING, UM, VOLUNTARY DOWN ZONING FROM WAREHOUSE TO RETAIL SERVICES, UH, ALONG THE
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THE IMAGE OF IT RIGHT THERE AS THOSE TWO LITTLE BITS RIGHT THERE WITH THE LITTLE YELLOW RAT BEHIND IT.THAT'S THE PART THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR REZONING, UH, ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
UM, WELL TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST IS WAREHOUSE ZONING TO THE SOUTHWEST AG TO THE WEST IS ON 35.
AND, UM, IT'S A RELATIVELY UNDEVELOPED PARCEL OF, UH, THE CITY, UH, WAREHOUSE USES ARE USUALLY NOT REALLY A POINT OF SALE SERVICE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
THEY'RE MORE FOR, OF COURSE WAREHOUSING ELIMINATED, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, THE DOWNS ZONING FOR RETAIL SERVICES TO, TO, FOR THE APPLICANT'S PROJECT TO MAKE IT MORE OF A, UM, GEARED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO ENJOY AS WELL.
UH, RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF THE COMP PLAN, UH, THE MAP OF THE COMP CLAIM FOR THE REGIONAL NOTE ALONG THE 9 35.
UM, IT IS THE RETAIL SERVICES ON THE DISTRICT AS A RECOMMENDED DISTRICT IN THE REGIONAL NODE.
AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET SOUTH OF THE, UH, KYLE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY.
UM, THIS PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THE GOAL IS TO INCORPORATE THIS FROM A ZONING AND FROM A SUBDIVISION STANDPOINT INTO ONE, UM, OVERALL LOT FOR APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES.
UM, AND AGAIN TO IT, WE HAD TO BE EXTREMELY VAGUE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING USES, RIGHT WITH TRE ZONING.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOING TO FURTHER THEIR PROJECT, WHICH STAFF HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT, AND IT ABSOLUTELY FITS WITH ALONG ALONG THE I THREE, FIVE OVERLAY.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY, UH, PROBLEMS WITH WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO.
UM, BUT FOLLOWING REZONING, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPLY FOR A SUBDIVISION PERMITS SITE DEVELOPMENT, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BUILDING ELEVATIONS, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO, UH, GET THEIR COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMITS JUST TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING IS SAFE FROM A BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE.
SO YOU WILL SEE PERMITS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, IF THEY MOVE FORWARD PAST ZONING, UH, WE ELECTRIC IS GOING TO BE PROVIDED BY THE PENTHOUSE ELECTRICAL COOPERATIVE AND WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, BY THE CITY OF KYLE AND THE SOUTH SIDE WASTEWATER PROJECT IS NEARING COMPLETION AND WILL SERVE THE SITE.
IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING CIP FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH WRAPPED UP, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE MORE MONTHS, BUT FOR PURPOSES OF DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS GOING TO BE FINISHED BEFORE.
UH, STEP DOES, UH, SUPPORT THIS AND WE ASK THAT Y'ALL RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR IT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? OH, OKAY.
IT'S BEEN MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TIMMINS SECOND.
AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY.
UM, WELL FOR ME, I DO SUPPORT THIS.
I THINK, I THINK RETAIL SERVICES IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDED USES THERE ON THE
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE AND I DO SUPPORT IT.
UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[B.
Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Joe Brooks, (Z-22-0099) to rezone approximately 18.84 acres of land from ‘RS’ (Retail Services) to ‘PUD’ (Planned Unit Development) for property located approximately 400’ southwest of the intersection of Marketplace Ave & City Lights Dr. in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
UH, YOU MAY COME UP NOW WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM.
I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT.
WELL, I CAN SEND FOR THE RECORD INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, UH, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE A PUD REQUEST ON BEHALF OF JOE BROOKS, UM, FOR TERESA AND APPROXIMATELY 18.84 ACRES FROM RETAIL SERVICES TO PUD.
UH, THEY ARE WANTING A, UH, TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS INCORPORATED INTO THAT THE R THREE, THREE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, AND THEN ALSO THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT TO BE RETAIL SERVICES.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE RIGHT HERE FOR THE LOCATION MAP.
THIS IS LITERALLY JUST A LITTLE BIT SOUTHEAST OF THE, UM, OF THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER, UH, ABOUT 400 LINEAR FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF CITY LIGHTS DRIVE AND MARKETPLACE AVENUE.
UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT INTEREST IN THIS AREA.
AND WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO IS, UM, SUPPORTED BY THE COMP PLAN AND ALSO FOR SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD FOR OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS AREA AS WELL, WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING PUDS, UM, WE HAVE WHERE OTHERWISE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, IF YOU'RE DOING STRAIGHT ZONE, WE CAN'T CONSIDER A PROJECT SPECIFICS.
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DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY IN THOSE MANNERS, UM, UH, FROM A DISCUSSION FROM A, FROM A PUBLIC SETTING PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO WHERE IT ALLOWS STAFF TO AND THE DEVELOPER TO COME TO, UM, UH, AGREEMENT INTO TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE FROM A PROJECT STANDPOINT, TO HELP THEM STAY SUCCESSFUL AND BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A PROJECT AND ALSO FOR THE CITY TO, TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU LOOK AT UPON DOCUMENT, WHICH I'VE INCLUDED THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS BACKUP MATERIAL, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF, UH, WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE THEIR VARIANCES OR WAIVERS OR OTHER STANDARDS THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE WITH THE INTENT OF MAKING THE PROJECT BETTER THAN IT WOULD NORMALLY FUNCTION AS IN A STRAY ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A USEFUL TO, UH, QUITE A USEFUL TOOL.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT STAFF ACTUALLY, WELL, IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE STAFF TIME FROM A PREPARATION STANDPOINT.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A TOOL THAT IS USED QUITE A BIT ACTUALLY.
AND IT USUALLY ENDS IN PRETTY GOOD RESULTS FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE.
I RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING MAP.
UH, CURRENTLY IT'S ALL RETAIL SERVICES, UH, BUT THERE'S RETAIL SERVICES ALMOST ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, EXCEPT FOR ACROSS THE TRACKS TO THE WEST REHAB.
THE OLD ARE ONE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT FROM ORDINANCE 92.
UM, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET MARKETPLACE AVENUE TO THE EAST IS OUR THREE, THREE AND TWO, THE SOUTHWEST PUD, WHICH IS THE BARTON, UH, PROJECT, THE BARTON WARD PROJECT.
OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, RETAIL SERVICES IS POINT OF SALE SERVICES, OFFICES, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND HERE'S KIND OF A GENERAL LAYOUT OF WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO THERE.
SO OF COURSE ARTHUR'S REZONING DISTRICT IS MULTIFAMILY AS WELL.
UM, THEY WILL BE FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM, UM, P AND Z.
THEY WILL BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL.
WE WILL BE HAVING A FEW MORE LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT COUNCIL DOES CONSIDER.
UH, BUT FROM A, FROM AN ELEVATION STANDPOINT, WHENEVER IF THIS PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, Y'ALL WILL ULTIMATELY SEE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE WHEN BUILDINGS OF THOSE NATURE ARE BUILT.
UM, COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FROM, UH, FROM A ELEVATION STANDPOINT FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY AS WELL, SPECIFICALLY AS THAT'S NOT GENERALLY CONSIDERED IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT BOTH, UH, THE PROJECT IN THE END IS GOING TO BE AN EXTREMELY NICE PROJECT AND ONE THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF FROM A COMPREHENSIVE STAND PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STANDPOINT, EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE THE CORE AREA DISTRICT.
UH, THE
AND, UH, SO IN THE RSS RECOMMENDED, UM, FROM A ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CORE AREA TRANSITION, UM, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER REASON.
SOMETIMES WE'LL GO WITH PUD BECAUSE IF WE CAN COMBINE THOSE TWO DIFFERENT USES THAT ONE MIGHT BE CONDITIONAL, ONE MIGHT BE, UM, RECOMMENDED THE OVERALL PROJECT, MAKE POLES SOME OF THOSE UP INTO A HIGHER STANDARD AS WELL.
THIS AREA BETWEEN DOWNTOWN KYLE AND, UM, THE, UH, TARGET SHOPPING CENTER, IF YOU WILL.
UM, DOWNTOWN KYLE IS HISTORIC CORE AREA FROM A COMP PLAN AND THE DOWNTOWN SHOPPING OR THE 16 26 35 AREAS, THE SUPER REGIONAL NODE.
THIS IS A MAJOR TRANSITION ZONE FROM A DEVELOPMENT PARENT'S STANDPOINT.
ONE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE A HIGHER DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY WHETHER IT BE CONDO FOR LEASE, WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, VERTICAL MIXED USE, UH, POINT OF SALE SERVICE REALLY GEARED TOWARDS THE GENERAL CITIZENRY.
SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, NOT A PROBLEM.
AND SO FROM A UTILITY PROVIDER, UM, AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, THE PATERNAL ELECTRICAL COOPERATIVE WILL BE ELECTRICITY CITY OF COLUMN, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER AND STAFF REALLY HAS NO ISSUE SUPPORTING THIS REQUEST FOR THE REZONING.
AND THAT WE ASK THAT Y'ALL DO THAT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UH, CAN WE GO TO THE, UH, DOCUMENT FOR THE, FOR THE PUD? YEAH.
OH, AND, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING THAT, UH, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY UNITS PER ACRE YOU CAN HAVE AN A AND R 3, 3, 3, 3, IS IT 28, 28 PER BILLABLE ACRE? SO BUILDABLE ACRE MAXIMUM IS, UM, WHEN WE SAY BUILDABLE ACRE, WE THAT'S THE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE EQUIVALENT OF NET ACREAGE IS.
SO YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR PARKING AND LANDSCAPING AND IMPERVIOUS COVER AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL.
SO AT MOST IT'D BE 28 ACRE PER ACRES, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE LESS THAN THAT TO SOME EXTENT, BUT WE WON'T ACTUALLY LEGITIMATELY KNOW THAT UNTIL WE START REVIEWING SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS.
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OKAY.BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE NUMBERS IN WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT THAT DO NOT MATCH, AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
SO IF WE GO TO EXHIBIT B, UM, THAT'S UP A LITTLE BIT, I THINK, UH, IT, UH, IT'S TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE, I THINK IT'S, UH, SECTION ONE GENERAL PROVISIONS A, OKAY, THANK YOU.
IT SAYS, UH, THE MULTI ABOUT THREE LINES DOWN THE MULTI-FAMILY ZONE AREA ARE THREE, THREE ZONE A WILL ENCOMPASS APPROXIMATELY 9.84 ACRES, AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA WILL COVER A COMBINED NINE ACRES.
THEN LATER IN THE DOCUMENT, UM, IN SECTION FIVE DEVELOPMENT ZONES, 5.1 SAYS ZONE A, UH, WHICH, OH, I'M SORRY.
AND ZONE EIGHT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY WILL CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 12 TO 13 ACRES OF LAND.
AND THEN DOWN IN ZONE B CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY TWO AND ZONE C CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY THREE.
SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS DOCUMENT WAS ABOUT A 50 50 SPLIT.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IN FIVE IS ABOUT A 70, 30 SPLIT AND, AND FIVE ONE IN THE MULTI-FAMILY HIGH DENSITY SECTION.
IT SAYS THE INTENDED TO BUILD, UH, INTEND TO BUILD APPROXIMATELY 300, 330 UNITS.
NOW, IF WE'RE GOING WITH THAT 9.84, NUMBER TIMES 28 IS 2 75 POINT 52.
SO EVEN IF THE ENTIRE NINE POINT SOMETHING WAS BUILDABLE, IT'S STILL WELL UNDER THAT NUMBER.
I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU PLEASE.
SO WE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS AND WE NOTICED IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, WE DID A BASED ON THE, SOME OF THE, WE DID IT BASED ON THE TOTAL 18.84 ACRES.
AND SO WHAT THE REZONING ACTUALLY IS WHAT THE, WHAT THE INTENTION WAS TO HIT WITH.
IT WAS A SMALLER AREA THEY WANTED TO REZONE.
SO WHEN WE HAD DISCOVERED THAT WE STARTED WORKING WITH MR. BROOKS AND HIS, HIS TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD ACCOUNT FOR THAT APPROPRIATELY FROM THE PUD DOCUMENT VERSUS THE WHAT NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONFUSION.
SO THERE IS A SECTION IN WHERE IS IT FURTHER ON, DOWN IN THE PUD DOCUMENT, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PUTTING MODIFICATIONS.
SO WE INTENTIONALLY HAVE THAT PUT IN THERE, SO WE COULD ACCOUNT FOR ANY DISCREPANCIES THAT WE MIGHT MISS.
SO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY EXPAND INTO THE ADJACENT RETAIL SERVICES AS IT IS A PUD TO I ADEQUATELY ACCOUNT FOR THE PROPOSED DENSITY PER ACRE, AND ALSO THE, THE AREA THAT THEY WANT TO UTILIZE.
SO THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP INTO THE RS DISTRICT, WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE IT'S A PUD AND WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT FROM A BUILT ENVIRONMENT PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS WHY WE ALSO HAVE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT SHOWING IN THERE AS WELL, NOT THE PERMIT, THE CONCEPT PLAN, SO IT CAN PROVIDE BETTER BACKUP TO THAT.
BUT, SO THEN THE QUESTION THEN IS WHICH ONE ARE WE DECIDING ON? IS IT THE NINE AND NINE? IS IT THE 13 AND THE FIVE? SO THE, THE AD THAT WAS RUNNING THE PAPER SHOWS IT AS NINE AND SOME CHANGE FOR THE ZONING, FOR THE
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OVERLAP SOMETIMES WHENEVER WE'RE WE'RE RECEIVING PERMITS OR APPLICATIONS AND ALL OF THAT, THE IT'S NOT AS ACCURATE AS WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE BUILT INTO THE CODE SOME WIGGLE ROOM, SO WHERE WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND BLEED INTO THE ADJACENT, UM, WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT? SO TECHNICALLY IT'S THE 9.9, HOWEVER, WITH THE PUD DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU, THEY DO HAVE ALLOWANCE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT SHIFTING LATERALLY TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
IT'S BEEN MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MARTHA.
IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MARTHA SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TIMMINS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES, SIR.
SO I LIVE IN CREEKSIDE VILLAGE, MY FRONT DOOR.
AS SOON AS I WALK OUT, I'M GONNA LOOK STRAIGHT AT THIS PLACE.
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THAT ISN'T PART OF MY, MY DECISION HERE.MY DECISION IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT I REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND NOBODY REACHED BACK OUT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A BEST USE FOR THE SPACE.
I GET IT'S RIGHT ON IT'S RIGHT ON THE, THE TRAIN TRACKS AND IT'S, UH, I'D MUCH RATHER SEE CONDOS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT GO UP THERE INSTEAD OF A HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY BUT, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO BLOCK IT.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.
I, I WANT TO ECHO A LITTLE BIT AT THE IDEA THAT LIKE, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT SAY THAT WHEN WE STARTED HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT APRIL OF OUR MAYOR, WHEN NEW ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE, THE FUTURE USE ESSENTIALLY OF, OF THESE AREAS WAS GOING TO BE, UM, LIKE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A FULL IDEA OF.
UM, AND THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A FULL IDEA, BUT SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS BUILDABLE OR IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD CHOICE FOR, FOR THIS AREA.
SO THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT I ALSO DO FIND THAT DIFFERENCE IN THE PLAN UNIT, UM, OR THE PUD DOCUMENT A BIT MUCH.
UM, AND SO I'M, I'M ALONG THE EDGE OF VOTING YES.
TO IT, JUST FOR THE SHEER FACT OF LIKE, THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, A NINE TO 13, IF I MAY.
SO, UM, THEY HAD INITIALLY REQUESTED, UM, FURTHER DOCUMENTS, THE 12, 13 ACRES THAT'S BEEN THEIR INTENT THE ENTIRE TIME.
WE DID NOT CATCH THAT FROM THE BEGINNING PERSPECTIVE.
WHEN WE ASSUMED WE SAW THE 18.84 ACRES.
AND SO WE TRIED TO MAKE IT FIT WITHIN THAT WHEN WE DIDN'T, WE, WE MADE A MISTAKE IN DOING SO.
SO FROM A BUILT ENVIRONMENT, ONCE YOU WILL SEE IS GOING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THEY ALWAYS HAD EVERY INTENTION OF DOING FROM THAT CONCEPT PLAN, THAT'S SHOWN IN THE LAST EXHIBIT.
UM, AND WE MORPHED THE CODE AROUND THAT TO FIT WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS FROM THE, FROM THE GET-GO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF IT IS GOING TO HAVE MULTI-FAMILY, THAT'S PULLED UP TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE URBAN AND STYLE.
THAT'S THE INTENT OF IT WITH ASSOCIATED COMMERCIAL NEXT TO IT, THE MARKETPLACE AVENUE AREA, IT'S A, I MEAN, Y'ALL HAVE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN.
IT, IT IS DEFINITELY A, UH, A SECONDARY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, BUT IT HAS, UH, SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME SOMETHING OF A LINEAR WALKABLE AREA, IF YOU WILL.
UH, THERE'S A VERY WIDE SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE, OF THE PARKWAY OR OF THE AVENUE.
UH, WHEN YOU GET OVER TO, WHEN, WHEN PROJECTS START DEVELOPING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD AS WELL, WHAT'S UP.
DO YOU WANT ME TO PULL UP THE AREA? THE VISUALIZATION? OH, EXCUSE ME.
SO, UM, THE WHOLE INTENT IS TO, AS STUFF DEVELOPS, SO YOU'RE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AS WALKABLE AS IT POSSIBLY CAN BE.
AND WE WANT PEDESTRIANS TO ABSOLUTELY ENJOY THIS.
AND THIS IS SIMPLY ONE COMPONENT OF THAT AS WELL.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UM, SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, ABOUT IT.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LARGER NUMBER.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE 12 TO 13.
NOW MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT MUCH OF IT BEING
YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE EXISTING ZONING MAP? OR DO YOU WANT THE, THE ONE THAT WAS IN YOUR, UH, STAFF REPORT IS FINE? I THINK.
THAT JUST SHOWS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ALSO, UH, THIS WAS A SIMILAR, A SIMILAR ISSUE THAT POPPED UP WITH, UH, THE BB POD WHEN IT CAME TO ANCHORAGE'S AS WELL.
AND SO WE, WE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S, AT LEAST FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE IS NOT FOREIGN, SO, OKAY.
SO WE'RE IN DISCUSSION AND THIS IS TIME FOR US TO KIND OF TALK AMONGST OURSELVES.
AND, AND I JUST WANT FOR US TO CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THIS PROPERTY, I MEAN, TO THE NORTH OR ABOVE IT ON THE MAP IS OUR THREE, THREE TO THE RIGHT IS OUR THROUGH THREE TO THE, UH, NORTHEAST IS D AND THEN THE PUD TO THE EAST IS ALSO GOING TO BE MULTI-FAMILY I BELIEVE CORRECT.
THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A MIX OF THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT HOUSING
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TYPES.SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE KEEP, I MEAN, JUST WHAT WE KEEP SEEING IS IS OUR RETAIL SERVICES, ZONED AREAS SLOWLY BECOME SOMETHING ELSE.
AND 13 ACRES OF THE 18 COULD NOW BE OUR THREE-THREE AS WELL.
AND I JUST, I, AT SOME POINT AT, IT SEEMS A BIT MUCH, AND, AND I DO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE STATEMENTS MADE THAT THIS IS NOT THE EASIEST PROPERTY TO FIND SOMETHING FOR.
AND, AND THAT'S A VALID CONCERN.
BUT WHEN I, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, I WAS CONSIDERING THE HIGHEST NUMBERS, ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE 13.
AM I OKAY WITH 13 ACRES OF THIS GOING TO R THREE, THREE? I, I, I I'M, I'M A, SOMEONE IN DISCUSSION CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.
I THINK THAT'S TOO HIGH OF A NUMBER.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE I CAN SUPPORT THIS ITEM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'D SAY.
ANYONE WAS HAVING A DISCUSSION.
THIS IS ALSO KIND OF BEEN A THING.
THAT'S COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, TOO.
HASN'T IT BEEN IN THIS AREA? LIKE THINGS THAT WOULD BE BECOMING OUR THREE, THREE.
AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY, THAT'S SOMETHING, A BIG HANGUP TO ME, CAUSE LIKE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN RS DISTRICT.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE KIND OF THAT LIKE SUPER REGIONAL.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT, WHAT THE MXD ACTUALLY IS, IT DOESN'T REALLY BUILD ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT COULD GO OR COLORS CROSSING IS.
SO TO ME, IT'S WHY DOES THIS NEED TO BE HERE? AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T FULLY SEE IT FITTING IN.
I SEE IT FITTING IN WITH THE
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOTTEN THIS FAR AND WE'D GIVE IT A, YOU KNOW, AN ACCEPTION FOR IT TO GET THIS FAR IN THAT COAT IN ORDER TO GET IT HERE.
UM, IT, IT, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.
I LOOK AT IT MORE AS A BUFFER.
IT'S A BUFFER BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE COMMERCIAL OVER THERE.
UM, I DON'T SEE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A, IT IS A TOUGH PIECE OF, OF REAL ESTATE.
UH, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE TRACKS BEHIND IT.
UM, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF A RETAIL THAT WOULD GO IN THERE THAT AGAIN, FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I, THAT ARE, MY NEIGHBORS WOULD WANT TO SEE THE BACK OF.
UH, WE STICK WHAT, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF WHAT YOU COULD PUT IN THERE.
UM, DO THE SHAPE OF THE, OF THE LOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, PATIOS AND BALCONIES MIGHT BE BETTER TO, TO HAVE SITTING THERE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD STANDPOINT THAN THE BACK OF, UH, OF A, OF A RETAIL SPACE.
UM, AND I, I DO SEE IT AS A BUFFER BECAUSE I MEAN, THE AREA BELOW THAT THIS HAS SHAPED BAD, THE ONE BELOW IT IS SHAPED EVEN WORSE.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO TRY TO PUT IN THERE.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
IT'S DEFINITELY A BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO, IN MY OPINION.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS I'M GOING TO LET THE PROPERTY OWNER SPEAK.
UM, SIR, UM, UH, MR. BARTON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN MR. BARNER, MR. BROOKS, I'M JUST WANT TO, OH, I GOT, OH, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? OH, OKAY.
UH, MR. BARTON, YOU GAVE ME A FORM.
UH, SO W IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, I WOULD HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
IS WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO, CAN WE READ IT INTO THE RECORD AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING? IS, IS VERONICA ON THE LINE? THAT'S FINE.
CAN YOU READ, UH, CAN WE READ A PUBLIC COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD? UH, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, WE RECEIVED THE DOCUMENT.
THE, IF THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED AND IT WASN'T READ INTO THE RECORD, THEN, UM, PLEASE REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO READ THE DOCUMENT.
IF THE, UM, IF THE PERSON IS THERE AND P AND Z MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS, THEN THERE'S NO NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC
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HEARING.YOU CAN JUST ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND BRING UP THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE AS FAR AS A POINT OF ORDER TO THAT, OR AS A QUESTION TO THAT, UH, IS THAT ONLY IF WE'VE RECEIVED IT AND THEN DIDN'T LIKE READ IT INTO THE RECORD BEFORE, OR DOES THAT INCLUDE IF IT WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE RECORD WAS CLOSED? IF IT WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE, IF IT WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE RECORD WAS CLOSED, BUT IT'S, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU ARE DELIBERATING, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP AND READ THE STATEMENT AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU WERE ASKING QUESTIONS AND DELIBERATING.
SO JUST SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, SO WE HAD, UM, ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WAS WITHIN THE 200 FOOT, UH, BOUNDARY FOR NOTIFICATION, UH, SUBMIT A, UH, AN ITEM FOR THE RECORD.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S IN SUPPORT OR NOT.
UM, SO IF THEY WANT TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN AT THIS MEETING THERE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS ALLOWED TO YES.
SO, UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW REOPENED.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, YOU MAY NOW, UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, JEFF BARTON, FOR THE RECORD, I'M A PROPERTY OWNER.
I LIVE AT 2 0 1 MARIETTA'S WAY IN BUDA, BUT I OWN PROPERTY HERE IN DOWNTOWN KYLE AND I OWN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ACROSS MARKETPLACE.
AND I SUBMITTED, FIRST OF ALL, I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I TRIED TO MAKE IT AND JUST COULDN'T QUITE GET HERE IN TIME.
I CAME UP BECAUSE I HEARD YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT WHAT SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ONE MIXED USE ONE, A PIECE OF PROPERTY ZONED MIXED USE WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS THE WORKPLACE.
WE GOT 700 APPROVAL ON ZONING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FROM YOU ALL TO, WITH OUR OWN PUD TO GREAT.
WHAT WOULD BE A UNIQUE, REALLY VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN KYLE, WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH FLOODPLAIN HAS ATLAS 14 CHANGED.
WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU SOON TO BE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT.
AND WHAT I WANT TO S IS REALLY NOT TO SPEAK TOO MUCH IN, IN ALL OF THE DETAIL THAT YOU'VE GOT BEFORE YOU, BUT PART OF YOUR DEBATE IS WHETHER MULTIFAMILY IS USEFUL.
AND HOW DO YOU GET THE KIND OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT YOU WANT, EXCUSE ME, YOU WANT TO SEE HIM, KYLE.
AND I'LL SAY THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE HOPE TO SEE IS THAT WHOLE AREA OF CAL REALLY DEVELOP IN THIS KIND OF WALK AWAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE VIBE, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS TO REALLY MAKE THAT A CRAZY GOOD EXPERIENCE THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION OF THE VIBE, WE'VE GOT SOME COMMITTED RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL THAT ARE WILLING TO COME INTO OUR AREA.
IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO GET AT THAT KIND OF MID-BLOCK PLACE, BUT WE'VE GOT CREEK FRONTAGE.
WE'VE GOT, WE'RE INVESTING A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED, FRANKLY, IS MORE ROOFTOPS IN THE AREA.
I HAVE A CONCERN THAT WACOL IS DEVELOPING ALL OF THESE NODES.
WE WILL BE CHALLENGED TO SUPPORT ALL OF THEM AT ONCE WITH THE KIND OF RETAIL THAT ALL OF US WHO'VE LIVED HERE A FEW YEARS WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE COME.
SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS AN ADJOINING LAND, OR ONE THING THEY'VE BEEN WILLING TO DO IS WORK WITH THE CITY TO EXTEND THE VIBE AND TALK ABOUT TUNNELS AND CROSSINGS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND OURS.
UH, WE THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR THE, FOR THE WHOLE REGION.
IT'S GOING TO ALLOW BIKE TRAFFIC AND WALKABILITY BACK AND FORTH.
SO I'M REALLY NOT TRYING TO WAIT INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING OR, OR, UH, PUSH THINGS TOO MUCH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
BUT I AM TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEBODY THAT IS DOING MIXED USE.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL ON BOTTOM WITH FOUR AND FIVE STORIES ABOVE IT.
AND THEN SOME OF THE KINDS OF CONDOS AND OTHER KINDS OF PROPERTIES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS GOING TO BE WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE HEAR BACK REALLY LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE TENANTS WE HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP.
AND THE ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING TO AND TRYING TO ATTACK, ATTRACT TO KYLE IS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE MORE AND DENSER DEVELOPMENT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
SO THEY COULD TRACK THAT WALKABILITY, THAT KIND OF WALKABILITY TO WE'RE ALL TRYING TO INSPIRE WITH THE VIBE PEOPLE, UH, OUTSIDE OF KYLE ARE A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL THAT WE CAN DO IT.
SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD BE COMPETITORS, IN SOME EXTENT FOR RESIDENTIAL RENTERS AND FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE, WE WELCOME IT BECAUSE WE THINK IT RAISES ALL, FLOATS ALL BOATS TO HAVE THAT WHOLE AREA DEVELOP.
AND SECONDLY, WE REALLY WELCOME HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE IN A WALKABLE DISTANCE TO THE KIND OF MIXED USE AND THE KIND OF AMENITIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT, WHICH RANGES FROM A PARK
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AND A PLAYGROUND TO SOME COMMERCIAL.AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
AND THE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN? YES, SIR.
YEAH, I THINK I'M, I'M I, AFTER HEARING THAT I'M LIKE DEFINITELY GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
UM, AND THAT'S NOTHING TO SAID.
I JUST HEAR THE EFFORT AND THINGS THAT WAS GOING TO THAT PROPERTY VERSUS WHAT I SEE IN THIS PROPERTY, WHICH DOESN'T AMOUNT TO HALF THE THINGS THAT I'VE THOUGHT FROM THAT, FROM THE PERSON WHO JUST SPOKE.
SO LIKE IF THERE'S GOING TO BE 13, UM, THIRD TIME, 18 OF THE, UH, UH, ACRES OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THERE'S A, TO ME A CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE SAW HERE AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE PERSON WHO SPOKE, WHAT FROM THE PUBLIC, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
WELL, IF SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER OF IT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK.
UH, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO TELL US WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE.
JOE BROOKS ON THE PROPERTY AND MADE THE APPLICATION APPLICATION WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF AND CITY MANAGEMENT TO BROADEN THE PICTURE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT PUTTER AGREEMENT, WE'VE OFFERED EASEMENT FOR THE TUNNEL FOR THE VIBE.
YOU NOTE ON THIS PICTURE OF THE WET DETENTION POND, THAT IS A LAKE THAT WAS REQUESTED THAT WILL IMPROVE THE FLOODPLAIN SITUATION, AS WELL AS AN AMENITY.
THE AMENITY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE FOR THE WALKABILITY AND SOME PICNIC TABLES SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD COMMUNE THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES.
THERE ARE LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT OFFICE EMPLOYMENT BASE FOR A COMMUNAL ENVIRONMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE MAXIMUM USE FOR THE ACTUAL MULTI-FAMILY IS 12 ACRES, NOT 13, WE'VE PINPOINTED IT TO 12, THE 28 UNITS PER ACRE IN THE MASTER PLAN WAS AN APPROVAL I RECEIVED HERE MANY YEARS AGO WHEN I MASTER PLAN THIS WHOLE TRANSITIONAL ZONE WITH THE INTENT FOR A DOWNTOWN TO MEET UPTOWN, WORKED WITH THE BARTON FAMILY.
I'M WORKING CURRENTLY WITH ALEX, THE INDECENT OWNER TO THE NORTH, WHERE HE'S GOING TO GO IN WITH THE SAME TYPE OF RETAIL OFFICE AND LIVING SPACE TO CREATE ALL THREE PIECES TOGETHER AROUND THE WATERWAYS AND YOUR VIBE TRAIL.
SO THAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE HERE.
THE PUB IS NOT PREPARED IN A VACUUM IN ANY WAY.
IT WAS DONE WITH THE FOLKS UPSTAIRS IN SEVERAL MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD WHAT THEY WANTED IN IT.
SO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
CAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON DEVELOPING THIS AREA FOR 12 YEARS.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE? TENANTS.
[C.
Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Jackson Walker LLP, (Z-22-0103) to rezone approximately 54.223 acres of land from ‘RS’ (Retail Services), ‘R-1-T’ (Townhomes), ‘R-1-2’ (Single Family Residential) & ‘T/U’ (Transportation/Utility) to ‘PUD’ (Planned Unit Development) for property located at 1500 E RR 150 in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME UP NOW, PLEASE LET ME YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WELL, I CAN SEND FOR THE RECORD INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, UH, AS STATED THIS IS PETITION NUMBER Z DASH 22
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DASH 0 1 0 3.UH, THEY'RE WANTING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER 54 ACRES, UH, FROM OUR ONE-TWO RS RNT AND TRANSPORTATION UTILITIES TO A PO I NEED IT IN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND AS YOU'RE READING FURTHER IN THE, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, THAT PLANE UNIT DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A TOWNHOMES SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NUMBER TWO, SO ARE ONE, TWO, AND A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF RETAIL SERVICES DOWN AT THE SOUTHERN OR SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO GIVE YOU SOME, ACTUALLY, LET ME JUST GO THROUGH THIS.
AND THEN I GIVE YOU SOME BACK HISTORY TO THIS PROJECT.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT LITTLE LESS THAN A MILE SOUTHEAST OF THE
UH, IT'S UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SUNSET RIDGE MANUFACTURING ON PARK AND, UM, AND THE WATER LEAF PROJECT JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE COOL SPRINGS SINGLE FAMILY PROJECT.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, IF YOU GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S ON A DEVELOPED FIELD WITH A, WITH A SMALL SPRING FED POND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, UM, IS CURRENTLY ZONED RETAIL SERVICES HAS
UH, BUT I THINK THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAY BACK SEVERAL OVER 10 YEARS AGO WAS TO PUT LIKE A SOLAR FARM THERE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, AND SO, UH, THE COMP PLAN IS, UH, ALLOWS FOR ALL OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND WHEN THE, THIS PROPERTY CAME ON THE MARKET, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT'S HERE TONIGHT CAME TO US WITH THEIR TEAM AND SAID, OKAY, WE WANT TO DEVELOP THIS INTO A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
WHAT CAN WE DO? THIS IS OUR IDEAS.
AND SO WE TALKED WITH THEM AND WE TOLD THEM ABOUT THE VIBE SYSTEM THAT HAD JUST BEEN IMPLEMENTED FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE AND HOW THIS AREA WAS RIGHT ON THE WAS JUST ADJACENT TO A FIVE NODE IT'S RUNNING ON THE TRAIL SYSTEM.
AND WE EXPLAINED TO THEM THE HOLISTIC IDEA OF THE VIBE AND HOW PROJECTS SHOULD BE DEVELOPED TO FACE ONTO THE VIBE AND TAKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
SO IN SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THEM, THE END RESULT IS THIS PUD DOCUMENT.
UM, SO NORMALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, AN A HIGHWAY BASED PROJECT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL CLOSE UP TO THE HIGHWAY AND YOU'VE GOT MAYBE SOME HIGHER DENSITY LIVING, AND THEN IT SCALES DOWN TO A LITTLE BIT LOWER DENSITY, BUT WE WANTED THEM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NOTE, WHICH IS CENTERED AROUND THAT SPRING FED POND, WHICH IS PART OF A CHAIN OF LIKE FIVE PONDS.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA, UM, AND SO THEY LISTENED, WHICH WAS WE, WE WERE ECSTATIC.
SO THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, WE WANT TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF SMALL SCALE RETAIL RIGHT HERE ON THE SOUTH END OF THE POND, PUT SOME BOARDWALKS IN THERE, PUT A TRAIL SYSTEM AROUND IT, TAKE THE TRAIL, THE VIBE TRAIL UP THE LINEAR SPINE OF THIS PROJECT WITH SOME SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED THAT'S HIGHLY LOADED.
AND THERE'S SOME TOWNHOMES THAT ARE ALLEY LOADED UP CLOSE TO ONE 50 WHERE THEY GONNA HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER.
SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE PLAZA IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S A PARK MANY CENTER UP NORTH, AND THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, THE, UH, THE POND ITSELF.
SO THE COMBINED PROJECT IS, IS ONE OF THE FIRST VERY CLEAR EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH THE VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM, THIS WHOLE VIBE NODE IDEA THAT WE HAVE, AND IT'S SUPER EXCITING.
UM, AND SO WE BRING IT TO YOU ALL AND, UM, THEY HAVE THE PLOT DOCUMENT.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THEIR STANDARDS IN THERE AS WELL.
WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO, UH, FROM THE STREETSCAPES, FROM THE DENSITIES, FROM HOW THEY'RE DESIGNING THEIR PROJECTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS GOING TO SEE SPECIFICALLY FOR ELEVATIONS THE RESIDENCES.
UM, BUT THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL TO WORK WITH THEM ON.
UM, AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO IT AS WELL.
UM, SO IT HAS A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT QUESTION.
AND, UH, WE ASK THAT Y'ALL APPROVE IT AS WELL FROM A RECOMMENDATION STANDPOINT.
SO, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
W W HOW WAS THAT A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO, OR WAS IT JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER? UM, SO I HAD INITIALLY PUT THAT IN THERE AND I THOUGHT I'D STRUCK IT CAUSE I WAS CONSIDERING, UH, MAYBE CONSIDERING HAVING THE RETAIL SERVICES BE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL INSTEAD, CAUSE IT'S USUALLY MORE OF A SMALLER SCALE, BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE BACKED OFF THAT IDEA BECAUSE, UH, THEY, A PORTION OF THAT RETAIL SERVICE AREA.
THEY'RE WANTING TO DO FOOD TRUCKS AND HAVE, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO A BEER GARDEN AND FOOD TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED IN THE RETAIL SERVICES ON THE DISTRICT, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
SO AT THIS TIME I WANT TO KEEP THE, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP IT AS THEM AS THEY PRESENTED.
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ALSO BE RETAIL SERVICES, BUT NOT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OR NOW YOU CAN EVEN SELL ALCOHOL IN A, IN COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE FOOD TRUCK DIFFERENCE.
UH, YOU, WE DON'T NORMALLY ALLOW FOOD TRUCKS AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, SO, OKAY.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME, SORRY.
CAN, CAN WE GO TO THE PICTURE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE? UM, I, I GUESS YOU CAN PUT THE PUT DOCUMENT OR DO YOU WANT THE LAYOUT PLEASE? ALL RIGHT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ZOOM IN A BIT.
UM, MY REAL QUESTION ARE ABOUT THE ROADS.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE THOSE EXAMPLES THERE OF A, B AND C OF A, THE MAIN ARTERY IN THE MIDDLE, BE THE ENTRANCES, SEE THAT MAIN ROAD NORTH AND SOUTH TOWARDS THE START.
BUT MOST ROADS IN THIS ARE, I THINK WHAT IT CALLS ALLEYS.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE ONE, YOU KNOW, NORTH OF A, OR NOT NORTH, BUT ABOVE A, ON THE PICTURE AND BELOW A, ON THE PICTURE.
ARE, ARE, ARE ALLEYS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND SO, UM, HOW WIDE ARE THEY? 30 FEET RIGHT AWAY.
SO IF IT GOES, IF IT'S PER STRAIGHT CODE, IT'S 27 FEET OF RIDEAWAY WITH A MINIMUM OF 20 FOOT PAVEMENT, UM, OFFHAND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
IF IT'S DIFFERENT, SAY IT AGAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ALLEYWAY PAVEMENT IS 30 FEET.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THE ONLY STREET PARKING ON A N C OR IS THERE ALSO STREET PARKING ON THESE ROADS THAT WE'RE CALLING ALLEYS, BUT ARE, ARE THE ONLY ROADS FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES AND, AND THE TOWNHOMES ALSO, AGAIN, THE TOWNHOMES, THEY HAVE THESE WHAT WE'RE CALLING ALLEYS, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT THERE'S NO FRONT ROW.
AND USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN ALLEY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A ROAD IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, YOU HAVE A ROAD, YOU HAVE AN ALLEY BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.
A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES DON'T HAVE A ROAD IN FRONT OF THEIR ASS.
SO THE ENTIRE DESIGN IS BASED OFF OF, UM, THE COURTYARD DESIGN OF PROJECTS.
SO WHERE YOU HAVE THE FRONT YARDS, WHEN YOU HAVE ALLEY LOADED DESIGN, NOW EACH SPECIFIC UNIT IS GOING TO BE PARKED PER CODE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING.
SO THEY FOR THE RESIDENTS DOES A LIVE THERE.
NOW, THE PARKS, OR, SORRY, NOT THE PARKS, THE STREETS THAT YOU SEE THERE, EACH ONE OF THEM.
SO YOU HAVE A, B AND C STREET SECTIONS.
THEY ALL HAVE PROVISIONS FOR STREET PARKING AS WELL.
BUT A, B AND C ARE, ARE, ARE HALF THE ROADS.
IF THAT, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE ALLEYS, THE ROADS, BECAUSE EVEN THE TOWNHOMES ON THE RIGHT, I MEAN THE GOING UP AND DOWN, I THINK IT'S EAST TO WEST ON ABOUT, UP AND DOWN ON THIS MAP.
AND WITH THESE ROADS THAT ARE THE, THE ALLEY ROADS, AND I ASSUME THERE'S NO STREET PARKING ON THE ALLEY ROADS.
TYPICALLY ALLEYS ARE NOT USED FOR STREET PARKING.
YOU ARE CORRECT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALLEY.
THEY ARE SERVICE ENTRANCES TO THOSE UNITS.
THE, THE ENTIRE IDEA THOUGH, IS TO HAVE THESE MUSES OR COURTYARDS FACE VEHICLES AND HOUSES FACING NOT VEHICLES, HOUSES FACING INTO IT.
RIGHT? SO THE, THE HOUSES ARE CODE COMPLIANT FROM A PARKING RATIO STANDPOINT.
AND THE, THE, AND THEY'RE ALSO DESIGNING THE MAIN STREETS GOING THROUGH THERE, BUT FOR THE ALLEYS TO HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING AS WELL.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REGULAR SUBDIVISION, THERE'S NOTHING THAT STATES THAT THE STREETS IN A STANDARD SUBDIVISION HAVE TO HAVE ADEQUATE, UM, WITH, FOR STREET PARKING.
IF, IF THEY'RE DOWN TO THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENTS, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY, AND THE, AN APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT IF THEY WOULD LIKE, AND, AND, AND I, I LIKE THE CONCEPT.
I LIKE WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE, BUT I THINK WHEN I'M GOING TO GO VISIT MY FRIEND AT THIS PLACE, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO PARK IN HIS, I GUESS, DRIVEWAY, OR I'M NOT SURE WHERE I'M GOING TO PARK BECAUSE THERE ISN'T MUCH BESIDES THE MAIN ARTERIES FOR STREET PARKING.
AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TOWNHOME AREA, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF
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RESIDENCES WITH NOT A LOT OF PARKING.AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD COMMISSIONERS ON THIS DICE BEFORE THAT WOULD MAKE THOSE POINTS TO JUST, THEY AREN'T HERE AT THE MOMENT.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE MISSED.
SO IT'S SOMETHING DEFINITELY, I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
UM, SO ALSO, I MEAN, TH TH UH, THIS MAY NOT MATTER, BUT WHEN THERE'S NO ACTUAL ROAD, THIS IS JUST AN ALLEY YOU LIKE IN THAT TOP SECTION THAT, THAT, UH, THE MIDDLE, THE, THE MOST TOP HOUSES THAT FACE OUT TOWARDS THE, I GUESS, WEST OF THE PROPERTY, HOW DO YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A STREET? SO ALLEYS ARE TECHNICALLY PUBLIC CREDIT WAY.
OH, SO, BUT I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDRESSING, BUT I DO KNOW OUR MAP GUYS, OUR JS GENERAL GUYS, THEY, THEY CONFORM WITH HAYES COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES.
SO THEY, THEY WILL BE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED, UM, FROM A, A FIRE CODE PERSPECTIVE.
THOSE, UH, THE, UH, ESPECIALLY THE TOWNHOMES THEY ARE GOING TO INCLUDE, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE, UM, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A NUMBER OF UNITS OVER TO, UM, AND SO FIRE CODE REQUIRES IT AS WELL.
SO TO PROVIDE A FIRE, TO, TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE TIME, TO GET TO THOSE, UM, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.
IT'S A VERY NICE AND DETAILED CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, AS PROJECTS, AS IT PROGRESSES, ASSUMING THE ZONING IS SUCCESSFUL, WHICH WE ALL HOPE IT IS.
UM, BUT WHEN THEY SUBMIT PLANS, IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW, WHICH INCLUDES FIRE, UH, ENGINEERING, PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND PLANNING.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT IT.
WE HAVE OUR ASPECTS THAT LOOK AT IT, BUT WE CAN'T CATCH EVERYTHING.
SO, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE, WE, THERE'S USUALLY AROUND 10 DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS LOOKING AT IT.
SO, UM, WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A, IT'S A WELL-FUNCTIONING PLAN.
THAT'S IT FOR MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MARTHA SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YES.
I'M A BIG FAN OF GETTING SOME TOWNHOMES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING.
I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS THAT FEEL THAT THAT'S A VALID REASON TO, TO DERAIL A PROJECT.
IF YOU'RE BUYING A TOWNHOME, YOU'RE BUYING AN, A TOWNHOME, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PARKING.
UM, THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE PRODUCT.
UM, SO I, THAT SIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS WHAT IT IS, THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, UH, THE CONSUMER'S GOING TO TELL THEM WHETHER OR NOT THEY DID A GOOD JOB IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH, WITH THE PARKING.
AND I, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN FROM, FROM, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON PARKING.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE ME SAY, NO, WE SHOULDN'T, WE SHOULDN'T, UH, LET COUNCIL WORK WITH THEM AND MOVE THIS FORWARD.
HERE'S YOUR JAMS. I WANT US TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE, OF, UH, THINKING, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CONSUMER KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING THOUGH.
LIKE IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO SAY WHAT STATE THE CONSUMER IS WHEN THEY GO AND PURCHASE, YOU KNOW, OR, OR A TOWNHOME.
AND SO THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE POSSIBLE CASES OF THAT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I DEFINITELY THINK THAT WE SHOULD STILL THINK ABOUT, WE SHOULDN'T DISCOUNT IT.
IT MAY NOT BE A REASON TO END A PROJECT NECESSARILY, BUT IT ALSO SHOULDN'T BE A REASON, OR SHOULDN'T NOT BE A REASON THAT WE JUST SKIPPED THROUGH AND APPROVE IT.
LIKE WE SHOULD DEFINITELY STILL BE CAREFUL ABOUT IT BECAUSE THESE THINGS DO POUR OVER INTO OTHER PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO CALL THEM, THE APPLICANT APPEAL ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, BUT YES.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK, UM, YOU CAN, UH, ABOUT THE PARKING SPECIFICALLY.
I'M WITH, UH, BRIDGE TOWER HOMES.
UH, I LIVE AT OUR OFFICES AT 12, 8 0 1 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY IN, UH, DALLAS.
WHAT I WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT, WHICH IS NOT THAT CLEAR IS LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT A TOWNHOME FOR A MINUTE.
SO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE TOWNHOME AND THE FRONT DOOR OF THE TOWNHOME
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ACROSS THE WAY FACE EACH OTHER.SO WE'VE GOT ALLEYS TO BOTH OF THEM.
WE KNOW THIS, THE INDIVIDUAL TOWNHOMES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HAVE FULL-SIZE TWO CAR GARAGES, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE 20 FEET DEEP OR 25 FEET DEEP.
SO NOW I'VE GOT TWO IN THE GARAGE, TWO ON THE DRIVEWAY, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, BUT WHAT, I'M, WHAT, I'M, WHAT I'M FOLLOWING THAT WITH IS DOWN THE SPINE, WHICH ADMITTEDLY WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT THE ALLEYS, BUT DOWN THE SPINE, THE SPINE HAS, HAS SEVERAL THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S WAY WIDE TOO.
IT'S GOT PARKING UP THE SPINE AND ALSO, UH, AND WE HAVE IT ON ANOTHER SLIDE, BUT IT'S OKAY.
IT ALSO SNAKES THE VIBE TRAIL THROUGH THERE STARTS AT THE FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT SNAKES ITS WAY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, THROUGH, UH, WHAT IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC, UH, AREA THAT THE POND THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
CAUSE WE'RE DEDICATING, UH, SOMETHING LIKE 4.8 ACRES TO THE CITY AND WE'RE INVESTING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY INTO PUTTING THAT IN PLACE.
AND THEN THE VIBE GOES OUT TO THE REST OF THE TRAIL.
AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A DARK PARK, WHICH IS ALSO PUBLIC AND THERE'S PARKING FOR THAT AND PARKING FOR THE, THE, UM, FOR THE LAKE.
AND I'M, I'M SORRY I GOT OFF THE SUBJECT, BUT THE POINT I'M MAKING WITH YOU IS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WITH TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE, TWO CARS ON A DRIVEWAY THAT'S IN THE BACK AND THEN PEOPLE COMING AND VISITING THE PARK, THEY, THERE, THERE ARE THERE'S PARKING ON THE STREET.
THERE'S NO PARKING SIDEWAYS ON THE ALLEYWAYS.
I GOT THAT, BUT WE'VE ANSWERED THAT BY REALLY WIDENING OUT THAT FRONT SPINE.
AND, UH, AGAIN, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WALK A LONG WAYS TO GET TO YOUR FRIEND'S HOUSE, BUT JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, THERE'S ALSO PLENTY OF EXTRA PARKING AT THE, UH, AMENITY CENTER THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE BUILDING.
AND THERE'S PLENTY OF EXTRA PARKING FURTHER DOWN, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THAT WE HAD DRIVEWAYS THAT PEOPLE COULD PARK ON THIS ONE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
UM, AND THIS IS, AM I, THIS IS A QUESTION, I THINK MAYBE FOR STAFF ON THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS IS THE ONLY LIKE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE CORRECT FOR THIS, IN THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT.
THIS IS, DOES MY UNDERSTANDING.
UH, THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE'RE, UM, THAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BASING THEIR DESIGNS OFF OF, UH IT'S.
THEY THEY'VE DONE A, UH, A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THEY'VE DESIGNED IT TO THE POINT WHERE LIKE THEY CAN BUILD THE INSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS OFF OF IT OR DESIGN IT OFF OF THE OKAY.
UM, WELL, THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE, UM, WHAT I'M HEARING IS PEOPLE ARE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO PARK AND WALK QUITE A BIT OF A WAY AS TO, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC HOUSE AND ADDRESS.
UM, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I'VE REALLY KIND OF LIKE, I WANT US TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS, ALSO BE VERY INTENT ABOUT HOW LIT SOME OF THESE STREETS ARE.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST AN ASSUMPTION THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VISIT DURING THE DAY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE AT NIGHT ARE SAFE AS WELL.
UM, AND WE CAN EASILY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PARKING ON THAT SPLIT SPLINE.
SO AT NIGHT IT MAY BE, IT SHOULD BE EASY.
UM, BUT ALSO WE HAVE TO THINK WHEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME DURING THE DAY AND COME AT NIGHT AND THEN STAY UNTIL NIGHT.
SO IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS OF LIKE THE PUD.
IT JUST, I THINK THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON WE'LL HAVE AN INDIFFERENT ITEM.
UH, IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO, WHEREAS WE'RE ASKING MORE QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS. DEFINITELY I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY KILL MY INTENTION OF VOTING FOR IT OR NOT.
IT'S JUST A CONCERN I HAVE, I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THE LIGHTING PLAN.
WE ACTUALLY, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AT LEAST MEET OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THE LIGHTING.
UH, IT WAS EITHER EARLY THIS YEAR OR LATE LAST YEAR, UM, MYSELF, UM, SOMEBODY FROM ENGINEERING AND SOME, AND THE, THE STREETS DIVISION MANAGER GOT TOGETHER AND UPDATED OUR, OUR LIGHT STREET LIGHTING PLAN, UH, TO WHERE WE'VE REDUCED THE REQUIRED AMOUNT, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN LIGHTS AND BEEFED UP THE INTERSECTIONS AS WELL.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU, SO THE, THE LIGHTING PLAN SHOWN ON, IT'S NOT SHOWN ON HERE, BUT THE LINING PLAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, BECAUSE A LOT BETTER THAN IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU SEE AROUND TOWN, WITHOUT QUESTION.
UM, AND AS A, AS A FUNCTION OF THE, THE VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM AS WELL, UM, THE, IT REQUIRES
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A DECORATIVE, UH, IT'S CALLED ACORN LINING.IT'S LIKE BLACK ROD IRON WITH A LITTLE CAP ON TOP OF IT.
UM, THE, THE MANUFACTURERS DISTANCES APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED TO 150 FEET, DEPENDING ON THE INTENSITY OF IT.
AND THEY'LL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT FROM THEIR RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT.
SO THEY MIGHT BE SPACED A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOGETHER VERSUS FARTHER AWAY.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR BEING CODE REQUIRED, UH, CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR MEETING THOSE FROM A LIGHTING PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
IT, JUST TO ANSWER THAT ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, OKAY, I'M GOING TO, UH, JUST GIVE MY THOUGHTS.
I, UM, I KNOW IT WAS A BIT HARD ON IT WITH THE PARKING, BUT, BUT ALL IN ALL, I, I DO LIKE THIS PROJECT I LIVE NEAR HERE AND IT IS FANTASTIC THAT EAST OF 35 GETS MORE THINGS THAN JUST HOUSES THERE.
THE FACT THAT THERE IS THIS VIBE NODE AND ALL OF IT.
AND THEN EVEN WITH THE PARKING ISSUE, YES, THERE MAY NOT BE AS MUCH PARKING AS I'D LIKE, BUT IT IS WALKABLE.
AND SO IF YOU DO NEED TO WALK, IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN MOST NEIGHBORHOODS PARKING, SEVERAL BLOCKS AWAY.
UM, AND, AND SO I, I SAY THAT BECAUSE I AM ULTIMATELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THE PARKING IS STILL A CONCERN OF MINE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS VOTE IS GOING TO GO, BUT, BUT, UM, IF IT DOES GO TO CITY COUNCIL, EVEN IF IT'S UNANIMOUS, I WOULD LIKE, FOR THEM TO AT LEAST BE TOLD THAT WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING, SO THEY CAN HOPEFULLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
UM BUT B, BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALWAYS ASK UNLESS IT'S SOMETIMES A SPLIT VOTE.
UM, BUT ALL IN ALL, THIS IS A PROJECT I SUPPORT BEING, UH, HERE WHERE, WHERE IT'S PROPOSED.
UM, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVING A DISCUSSION BEFORE WE HAVE A VOTE? OKAY.
UH, I THINK WE SHOULD DO A ROLL CALL.
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Consider a plat vacation per Section 41-57(a), for Lot 1A, Kyle 150/I-35 Subdivision , by request of Patrick Kilroy of SMW Engineering Group.
]UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE.EIGHT A CONSIDER A PLAT VACATION PER SECTION FOUR, ONE DASH 5 7 8 FOR LOT ONE A KYLE ONE 50 SLASH
MR. ATKINSON, WILKINSON INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR, UH, PLANNING FOR THE RECORD.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST, UH, AS STATED ON BEHALF OF, UH, PATRICK KILROY.
WHO'S REPRESENTING BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS AND FROM, UH, FROM A VACATION PERSPECTIVE, UM, I WROTE THE STAFF MEMO.
UM, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT TECHNICAL, BUT THAT'S OKAY, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN IT AS SUCH.
SO, SO AS YOU ALL ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU ALL APPROVE SOME DIVISION PLANTS FOR THE MOST PART, WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING IN THE PLUM CREEK, UM, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS NOT THAT THIS IS LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE DAIRY QUEEN IS CITY.
UM, SO IT IS THE BUCK STOPS WITH YOU ALL WHEN IT COMES TO SUBDIVISION PLANTS.
OCCASIONALLY, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ASKED TO VACATE SUBDIVISION PLATS, WHICH MEANS THE VAPE, THE SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT'S RECORDED ON THE SITE AND GOES AWAY AND YELLOW BODY THAT GETS TO APPROVE THAT IF Y'ALL FIND IT APPROPRIATE.
SO THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT WHAT HAD HAPPENED WITH THIS PROJECT WAS, UH, A FEW YEARS BACK, UM, THE DAIRY QUEEN THAT'S CURRENTLY SITTING RIGHT OVER HERE.
UM, THEY HAD, WERE CONSIDERING KNOCKING THE DAIRY QUEEN DOWN AND REDOING THE ENTIRE SITE, REDEVELOPING THE SITE TO MAKE IT FUNCTION BETTER.
UH, AS MOST OF US ARE LONG-TIME RESIDENTS OF THE CITY ARE.
AND EVEN THE ONES THAT AREN'T PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THAT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, THERE ARE CARS OUT ON ONE 50 AND EVEN ON THE ACCESS ROAD WAITING IN LINE FOR THE DQ.
RIGHT? SO THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE THE SITE FUNCTION BETTER AT THAT TIME.
UM, THE EVIDENCE OR THE DOCUMENTS PROVIDED TO US INDICATED THAT DAIRY QUEEN OWNED BOTH LOT ONE, WHICH IS WHERE THEY CURRENTLY ARE.
AND LOT TWO OF THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ADJACENT INDIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAD NO REASON TO BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T.
UM, SO WE SAID, GREAT, LET'S START REVIEWING THIS PLAT.
THEY WANTED TO COMBINE THEM INTO A LOT, ONE A AS A REPLAT AND WITH THE INTENTION OF KNOCKING THE BUILDING DOWN AND REDEVELOPING THE SITE FAST FORWARD TO ABOUT TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO, AS WE STARTED HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT, UH, BY MISTAKE, DQ DID NOT ACTUALLY OWN, OR THAT THE FRANCHISE DOES NOT OWN WHAT WAS LOT TO THE SECOND HALF OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED.
WE JUST KNOW THAT THEY DON'T, AND IT WAS A MISTAKE.
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SO, UM, TO ADJUST FOR THAT, THE PLANT NEEDS TO BE VACATED.NOW, WHEN WE SAY DOING A PLANT, WHEN WE DO A PLANT VACATION, THIS IS NOT, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO LAYERS OF A SUBDIVISION PLAT ONSITE.
THERE IS THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT, WHICH IS SHOWING ON SCREEN RIGHT THERE IN THE RED AND BLUE THAT IS THERE, BUT REPLANTED ON TOP OF IT, WHICH IS AN ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL DEAL.
YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
YOU CAN REPLANT A PROPERTY ON TOP OF THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION PLAT, AND IT, AND IT CONTROLS VERSUS IF YOU HAVE THEM LAYER IN LIKE THAT.
SO WITH VA, WITH THE APPROVAL OF A VACATION, THE PLAT ON TOP GOES AWAY.
AND THE, THE ORIGINAL PLAT, WHICH IS WHICH SHOWS NEVER VACATED CONTROLS.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE IN ONE STEP, WHICH STAFF HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH.
WE JUST TALKED WITH LEGAL ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING IS WORKING OUT JUST FINE.
WE JUST NEED Y'ALL TO, UH, APPROVE THE VACATION REQUEST.
AND WE DEFINITELY RECOMMEND IT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, SIR.
SO CURRENTLY THERE'S A OVERLAY, YOU'RE PULLING THE OVERLAY BACK AND NOW IT'S GOING TO STAY LOT ONE AND TWO IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING YESTERDAY.
IT'S A LOT WINNIE RIGHT NOW THAT PERFORMS THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AREA AS LOT ONE AND TWO DOES UNDERNEATH.
SO WE'RE PULLING A LOT WHEN THEY OFF AND NOW IT'LL JUST BE A LOT, ONE AND TWO.
WAS IT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MUTHA, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TIMMINS TO APPROVE, UM, ITEM EIGHT A, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[A. Discussion only regarding Planning and Zoning Commission request for future agenda items.
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UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ON A FUTURE WORKSHOP, UH, REGARDING SOME OF THE, UH, WHAT OUR INTENT OF THE PLAN YOU HAD DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, ESPECIALLY AFTER HEARING, UM, JUST SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD AND HAVING INCREASING AMOUNT OF PDS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO COME BACK AND HAVE A LEVEL SETTING DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE'RE KIND OF EXPECTING TO SEE THAT WAY.
WE'RE NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD, THAT IS ALREADY GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT OF VARIANCE FROM THE CODE.
AS WE SEE IT NOW, I THINK IF WE CAN DO THAT, THEN WE GET, UH, ON THE SAME PAGE AND HAVING BETTER CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON FUTURE AGENDAS? OKAY.
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TO ITEM NUMBER 10, 10 STAFF REPORT, UH, 10 A STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.UH, WE DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE ITEMS. UM, I WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW ON THE 23RD, WE ARE HAVING A VOTING MEETING IS GOING TO BE TWO ITEMS ON THERE SPECIFICALLY FOR CODE AMENDMENTS.
ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO BE THE MUCH AWAITED, UM, UH, FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE REVISING IN A COMPREHENSIVE MANNER.
UH, KAYLA'S BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THAT AND, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE WRAPPING UP THE REVIEW OF THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY NOTICED IT IN THE PAPER, SO IT'S COMING FORWARD.
AND ALSO IN THE SAME NIGHT, UM, COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED STAFF AND LEGAL TO GET TOGETHER TO COMPLETELY REPLACE OUR EXISTING LEGAL NONCONFORMITY CODE.
AND SO YOU GUYS WILL SEE THAT AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION.
UM, IT IS PART OF THE ZONING CODE.
SO, UM, BOTH OF THEM HAVE ZONING ASPECTS OF, THEY WILL BOTH COME TO YOU FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I BELIEVE ONLY TWO OF Y'ALL HAVE, ARE PLANNING ON GOING TO THE STATE CONFERENCE IN OCTOBER FOR APA.
SO IF ANYMORE, WANT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND OR WANT TO GO THERE'S MONEY TO SET ASIDE TO WHERE Y'ALL CAN JUST LET US KNOW AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE STILL HAVE, WE STILL TECHNICALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT WE'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GOT TO ALL TAKEN CARE OF, UH, OCTOBER THE 18TH THROUGH THE 22ND, I BELIEVE OFFHAND.
AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY BE LEANING ON THE 17TH.
NO, I, I THINK IT STARTS IN THE 19TH.
I THINK WE'RE LEAVING ON THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'RE LEAVING ON THE 18TH IN IT.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE IN EL PASO.
SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE BOOKING HOTELS, FLIGHTS, AND ALSO THE ACTUAL CONFERENCE ITSELF.
SO, UH, YOU ALSO PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE SOME MONEY SET ASIDE IN THE COUNCIL'S BUDGET? UM, I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT.
OH, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK, UM, THE MTM THREE ZONING DISTRICT, UH, REVISION A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN EARLIER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
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UH, THERE WERE SOME OTHER PRIORITIES THAT HAD TO TAKE PLACE IN TERM FROM A CODE AMENDMENT CONSIDERATION.THE TWO THAT I JUST MENTIONED BEING THE PRIORITIES.
UH, BUT WE ARE, WE HAVEN'T FORGOT ABOUT IT, UM, THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING IT BACK AS WELL.
SO, UM, I TOOK NOTE OF YOUR, UH, WHAT ARE THE CITY'S INTENTIONS FOR PUDS IN A WORKSHOP PERSPECTIVE? MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS DO YOU, WHY, UM, DO YOU WANT TO WORKSHOP ON THE 23RD TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT? OR DO YOU WANT A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN THAT? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE TWO CODE AMENDMENTS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY HEFTY CONVERSATIONS.
I WASN'T NECESSARILY SAYING THIS THIS TIME AROUND.
I MEAN, ALSO I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU ALL THE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, COME TOGETHER AND PUT IT REALLY SOMETHING REALLY AWESOME ON THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, UH, FOR COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE AN EVEN NUMBER SEATS, UM, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLY THEY HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, YEAH, IF YOU'RE AN EVEN NUMBER SEAT, UM, YOUR COMMISSION IS EXPIRING.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME, BUT JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND REACHING OUT TO, UH, HR AND JUST DOUBLE CHECKING EVERYTHING OR EVEN US, WE, WE KNOW AS WELL.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO BE, IF YOUR POSITION IS EXPIRING, SO CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC? YEAH.
SO, UH, I DIDN'T REAPPLY FOR THE WHOLE THING.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF IT WENT THROUGH, I GUESS, BUT I GUESS I'D JUST CHECK WITHOUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND, BUT I DO KNOW, UH, HR HANDLES THE, THE APPLICATIONS AND I KNOW COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE REVIEWING THOSE AS WELL, SO.
THANK YOU FOR ASKING ME THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.
WE ASKED, WE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION THEY HAVE TO, WHEN YOU REAPPLY, YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.
I DON'T REMEMBER 11 ADJOURNMENT.