* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD [00:00:01] EVENING. THE TIME [1.  Call Meeting To Order] IS SIX 30. TODAY IS TUESDAY. UH, SEPTEMBER 13TH. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO ORDER. UH, MAYBE WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. TIMS PRESENT. MARTHA MCCALL GARRA HERE. JAMES PRESENT. CHASE HERE. THANK YOU. FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. NEXT ITEM NUMBER THREE [3.  Minutes] MINUTES, THREE, A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 23RD, 2022. REGULAR MEETING WITH THE MOTION. YES, SIR. I MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM THREE A SECOND. THANK YOU. IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CITIZEN COMMENTS. UM, AT THIS TIME THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. WE DO INVITE YOU UP NOW. IF YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES. PLEASE FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. SEEING NINE. I'M GONNA CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS, CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, [5.  Consent] CONSENT CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE A THROUGH D MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS A THROUGH D AND CONSENT. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CHASE SECOND. AND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AI. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES NUMBER UH, SIX, UH, [A.   Consider a request to construct a 4,500 square feet restaurant building located at 19460 IH-35 within the I-35 overlay district. (Mighty Fine Burgers - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-22-0062) ] CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION. SIX A CONSIDER REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A 4,500 SQUARE FEET RESTAURANT BUILDING LOCATED AT 19 4 60 IH 35 WITHIN THE I 35 OVERLAY DISTRICT MIGHTY FINE BURGERS. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C U P DASH 22 DASH 62. UH, MS. SHARP. ALL RIGHT, KAYLA SHARP CITY PLANNER FOR THE RECORD. UM, WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT IN THE I 35 OVERLAY. UM, STAFF HAS, UM, REVIEWED THIS PERMIT AND HAS FOUND THAT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE I 35 OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS. AND WE REQUEST THAT P AND Z APPROVE THIS ITEM. AND WE ARE GOING TO SHARE THOSE IN JUST A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, BUILDING ELEVATIONS. UM, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, MATERIALS CONSISTING PRIMARILY OF CONCRETE, MASONRY UNITS, UH, PORCELAIN TILE AND PANELING AND, UM, APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. FINISH OUT THE DESIGN. UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A, UM, PATIO ON THE FRONT FACING I 35, UM, WHICH WILL BE THE FRONT ENTRANCE. SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WE ALSO HAVE THE ARCHITECT ONLINE IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE? THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED SECOND, MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TIMON. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CHASE. ARE THERE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? NO. UH, UH, UM, YEAH, I APPROVE THIS. I MEAN, I, I I'M FOR THIS. I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD ADDITION TO OUR 35. ALL RIGHT. UM, ALL THOSE FAVORS SAY AYE. AYE. I'LL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES. NEXT ITEM [A.  Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Shauna Weaver, of Pape-Dawson Engineers to rezone approximately 5.15 acres of land to ‘PUD’ for property located at 3601 Kyle Crossing, in Hays County, Texas. (Hays Commerce Center 5, LP - Z-22-0105)   Public Hearing Recommendation to City Council ] NUMBER SEVEN, ZONING SEVEN, A CONSIDER I POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A REQUEST BY SHAUNA WEAVER OF PAVED DAWSON ENGINEERS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 5.15 ACRES OF LAND TO P P U D FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 6 1 KYLE CROSSING IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS HAYES COMMERCE CENTER, FIVE LP Z DASH 22 DASH 1 0 5. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE, ON THIS ITEM, YOU MAY COME UP NOW, PLEASE AGAIN, LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES, FILL OUT HIS COMMENTS FORM AND STATE YOUR NAME. OKAY. SEEING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT. UH, MR. ATKINSON WILL ATKINSON IN YOUR INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE RECORD, UH, AS STATED, UH, BEFORE YOU WE HAVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER Z DASH 22 [00:05:01] DASH 0 1 0 5. UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY TO KEEP IT SHORT AND BRIEF. UM, IT'S A 5.148 ACRE ADDITION INTO THE EXISTING HAYES COMMERCE CENTER PUD. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE IN THE IMAGE, THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, UM, THE AREA THAT IS THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AREA, COMPRESSING OF VISTA RIDGE DRIVE, GATEWAY BOULEVARD AND CULA HILL DRIVE. UM, THEY ALL HAVE LARGE SCALE TILT, WALL CONSTRUCTION TYPE, UH, BUILDINGS IN IT. AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND SO, UM, PER THE COMP PLAN, UM, THE WAREHOUSE AND CM, UM, UH, USES ARE ALLOWED. UM, IT IS JUST RIGHT OUTSIDE THE I THREE, FIVE OVERLAY AND SLASH REGIONAL NODE SO WE CAN CONSIDER IT. AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS COMPLETELY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. UH, STAFF HAS NO ISSUES WITH IT. UH, THE BACK OF MATERIAL ASSOCIATED WITH THE ESSAY BACK MATERIAL, THE PUT ORDINANCE ITSELF, THE EXHIBIT ASSOCIATED FOR THE STANDARDS ARE WHAT ARE, ARE ALREADY EXISTING WITHIN THE CURRENT POD. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S LITERALLY, LIKE I SAID, INCORPORATING ANOTHER FIVE PLUS ACRES IN. SO STAFF HAS, UH, BELIEVES THIS IS FULLY APPROPRIATE AND WE ASK THAT YOU'LL, UH, MAKE A BOOK RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY ZONED? IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED A OH, OKAY. FOR AG RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A THERE'S THREE MODEL HOMES FOR WHEN IT WAS, UH, I WANNA SAY IT USED TO BE A TILSON HOME, UM, LITTLE SHOWROOM SHOW HOUSES KIND OF THING. AND THEN IT WAS CONVERTED TO OFFICES YEARS AGO BEFORE IT WAS EVEN INSIDE THE CITY. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, SO NOW IT'S, IT'S TIME FOR REDEVELOPMENT, SO THANK YOU. AND, AND YOU SAID THE POD'S GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE POD. TENDER'S GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE PUD. THAT'S ALREADY THERE NEXT TO IT. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. ITEM SEVEN A SECOND. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY, UM, MYSELF SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES, ITEM [B.   Consider and possible recommendation to City Council for a request by Amanda Swor, of Drenner Group to rezone approximately 9.12 acres of land to ‘PUD MXD’ for property located at the NW corner of N. Burleson & Marketplace Avenue, in Hays County, Texas. (Julia Parker Family Partnership and the L.W. Parker Family Trust - Z-22-0104)   Public Hearing Recommendation to City Council ] NUMBER SEVEN B. CONSIDER AN POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REQUEST BY AMANDA SWORE OF DER GROUP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 9.12 ACRES OF LAND TO P U D MX D FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH BURLESON AND MARKETPLACE AVENUE IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS, JULIA PARKER, FAMILY PARTNERSHIP, AND THE L W PARKER FAMILY TRUST DASH Z 22 DASH 0 1 0 4. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. THERE'S ANYONE, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE, UM, YOU MAY COME UP NOW, STATE YOUR NAME, FILL COMMENTS FORM, AND, UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, LIMIT YOUR TIME IN THREE MINUTES. OKAY. SEEING NOW I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, NEXT, UH, MR. ATKINSON WILL ATKINSON FOR THE RECORD INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. ONCE AGAIN, BEFORE WE HAVE Z DASH 22 DASH 0 1 0 4, THIS IS FOR THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT MARKETPLACE AND NORTH BUON. UH, THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY NINE POINT 12 1 2 ACRES FROM RETAIL SERVICES TO PUD MXD. UM, AS Y'ALL MOST OF YOU ALL UNDERSTAND, UM, AS PROJECTS COME ALONG, UM, THAT, UM, WE FEEL ARE, ARE RIPE FOR HIGH END STANDARDS. WE COORDINATE WITH THE APPLICANT TO BRING THE BEST PROJECT WE POSSIBLY CAN FORWARD. AND THEY'RE ALWAYS WITHIN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE STATE LAW SAYS IF YOU'RE GONNA VARY YOUR ZONING CODE TO MAKE IT BETTER, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IF IT'S ALREADY INSIDE THE CITY. SO, UM, THIS REQUEST HERE, UH, FOLLOWS THAT SAME TACK, IF YOU, YOU WILL, UH, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED IT IS OWNED RETAIL SERVICES RIGHT NOW, UM, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO RESENT IT TO MXD FOR, WITH A PUT, UM, AS WE'VE COORDINATED WITH THEM OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, UM, THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN FAIRLY WILLING TO, TO FOLLOW OUR LEAD. AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, IN TERMS OF, UH, CREATING A PROJECT THAT PULLS THE, UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS AND THE DEVELOPMENT UP TO THE, WHAT WILL BE THE FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, FOR THE MARKETPLACE AVENUE. AND THEY'RE ALSO WILLING TO ACTUALLY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL. MOST OF IT BEING RETAIL, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A PORTION ON THE NORTH END, THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, SOME OFFICE SPACE AS WELL. SO WE'RE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE, THE RATIO THAT THEY HAVE IN TERMS OF, UH, COMMERCIAL TO, TO MULTIFAMILY. UM, THEY ARE IN, IN TURN REQUESTING, UM, A REDUCTION IN, UH, SOME PARKING, WHICH WE, WE BELIEVE IS ABSOLUTELY ACCEPTABLE. UM, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT, UM, HAS, UM, AN URBAN FEEL TO IT. AND WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH PARKING THAT USUALLY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE [00:10:01] OF IT AS WELL. HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH, UM, PER UNIT TO ACCOUNT FOR PEOPLE LIVING THERE ON SITE, AND ALSO, UH, A SMALL PORTION OF THE PARKING'S GONNA ACCOUNT FOR THE COMMERCIAL AS WELL. UM, THEY ARE GOING TO, SO I'LL JUST KIND OF GO DOWN THE LIST A LITTLE BIT HERE. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF LOFT OFFICE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 275 MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF LEASING OFFICE AMENITY AND, AND A TOTAL OF 9,500 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. UM, THEY ARE LIMITING USES THAT, UM, THAT WE SEE FREQUENTLY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT, UM, OVERLY ECSTATIC ABOUT AS YOU GONNA SEE IN THE PUT DOCUMENTS AS WELL. UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A SECTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL. NOW WE DO HAVE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL, BUT IT IS AT AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THAT. AND AS PROJECTS DEVELOP ALONG MARKETPLACE, THAT MAY, IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY FROM A LOCATION STANDPOINT, BUT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT AS WELL. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE, UH, THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN SOME LANDSCAPE SCREENING UP AGAINST THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY FOR, I SAY PUBLIC, THE UNION PACIFIC RIGHT OF WAY TO BETTER SHIELD THE, THE RAILROAD THERE AND, UM, HAVE AT LEAST TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC AMENITY AREAS ALONG MARKETPLACE AVENUE. SO IT'S MORE A COUPLE LITTLE PLAZAS. AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO, TO CAPTURE THE, THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN FOCUS OF IT? UH, THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE, TO THE POD ORDINANCE, AND THESE ARE ONES THAT STAFF SUGGESTED BECAUSE OUR MXD ZONING DISTRICT MOSTLY WORKS WELL EXCEPT FOR WHERE IT DOESN'T. AND SO WE, UH, WE INCORPORATED THOSE AT, FOR SECTION 53 DASH 6 77, A C AND 53 DASH 7 69 B TO ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THEIR PROJECT IF THEY GET THE ZONING, WHICH WE HOPE THEY DO. SO, UM, AND LET ME PUT THIS UP ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. I KNOW Y'ALL COMMISSIONERS CAN, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THE PHILIPPINES SEE IT AS WELL. SO THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF THREE BUILDINGS THAT ALL OF THEM HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO IT IN THE, IN THE TAN, OR EXCUSE ME, IN THE ORANGE. UH, AND THE TAN IS THE, UH, WHERE THE MULTIFAMILY IS. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LEASING AMENITY. THEY'RE GONNA ALSO HAVE A WATER QUALITY POND ON THE NORTH. WELL, JUST CALL IT THE NORTH CORNER WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE PAVILION OUT THERE AS WELL. AND, UM, WE, UH, FOLLOWING UP WHEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. UH, AS A MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS MULTIFAMILY. UM, WE COULDN'T OTHERWISE ACCOUNT FOR THAT ARCHITECTURALLY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE DA PORTION OF IT. SO, UH, YOU, WE, YOU STILL WILL SEE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT COMING FORWARD AS IT IS MXD, BUT, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE BUTTONED EVERYTHING UP FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, MAKING SURE WE WERE ALL LEGALLY COMPLYING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR FOR THE APPLICANT? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I'VE GOT SOME, UM, SO MXD, WHAT IS THE, I COULDN'T FIND IT. THE, THE, THE UNITS PER ACRE FOR MXD. I FOUND IT FOR R THREE, THREE. I FOUND IT FOR, I DIDN'T FIND ONE FOR XD IT'S 30, UH, FOR, FOR THE MXD ZONING SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. SO JUST MATH. UM, IF IT'S NINE, 9.1, TWO ACRES AND 275 UNITS, I GOT 30.1, FIVE, THREE UNITS PER ACRE. I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ROUND IT IF, IF IT ROUNDS TO 30, BUT MY MATH IS IT'S JUST OVER THAT WE, IF, IF IT'S A, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. SO THERE, THERE MAY BE A, A SIGNIFICANT CHANCE THAT THE NUMBERS ACTUALLY GO DOWN WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN. BUT IF IT IS A CONCERN AND WE FEEL Y'ALL FEEL THAT WE SHOULD RECOMMEND TO ACCOUNT FOR IT, WE CAN ACTUALLY, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT AND ACCOUNT FOR THAT. WHEN WE, BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL, IT'S PROBABLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT. THANK YOU NEXT. SO TYPICALLY I KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE ON PARKING MM-HMM TYPICALLY PARKING IS TWO UNIT, TWO SPACES PER UNIT, PLUS HALF A SPACE FOR EACH ADDITIONAL BEDROOM OVER TWO. IS THAT CORRECT? IN NON MX D DISTRICTS? YES. WHAT IS IT IN MXD? SO IT SAYS PER THE, IT E AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE IT E WHICH WE FOUND THROUGH EXPERIENCE, THE IT E IS SILENT ON RATIOS, SO, OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO FIND THE SWEET SPOT BETWEEN THE PARKING RATIOS THAT WE DON'T WANNA OVER PARK IT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING. NOW. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENCAPSULATE THE URBAN FORM AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UH, BUT I WANNA ALSO BE ABLE TO SWALLOW THE 1.4 SPACES PER UNIT. THAT'S, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. UM, SO THE QUESTION I HAVE THEN IS [00:15:01] WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS? BECAUSE IF IT'S ALL ONE, ONE BEDROOM PLACES, IF IT'S ALL ONE OR TWO BEDROOM PLACES, IF IT'S FOUR, YOU KNOW, 1.4 UNIT OR SPACES PER UNIT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN IF IT'S A ONE BEDROOM. DO WE, DO WE HAVE A MAXIM? I DIDN'T SEE ANY KIND OF ANYTHING IN HERE ABOUT NUMBER OF BEDROOMS PER UNIT. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT, UM, OUR APPLICANTS, EXCUSE ME. I COULD RESPOND. OH, YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ANE MIKE I'M WITH THE DRER GROUP. I'M PART OF THE APPLICANT TEAM I HAVE WITH ME, JOSH DEL AND GABE ROLLS AS WELL FROM A ARENA MAN, WHO ARE THE DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT? UH, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. I ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT MIGHT HELP TO ADD SOME COLOR TO THE PROJECT ITSELF, IF THAT WOULD SUFFICE AS LONG AS THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. I I'M GOOD WITH IT. YES, SIR. FOR THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. UH, SO AGAIN, JUST WANNA ADD ON TO WHAT WILL HAD PRESENTED AND SITE LOCATION WISE. HERE WE ARE AGAINST MARKETPLACE AND BURLESON STREET, ZONING WISE. YOU CAN SEE THE RETAIL SERVICES AS WELL AS THE POD. IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE WEST, AS WELL AS THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ZONED R ONE, REALLY WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IS TO BE A CATALYST IN THE AREA. SO THIS HERE IS OUR CONCEPT PLAN. IT'S AN UPGRADED VERSION OF WHAT WE'LL JUST SHOWED YOU. THE RED, YOU CAN SEE HAS A GROUND FLOOR RETAIL COMPONENT, THE PURPLE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS, UH, PAGE RIGHT, IS OUR GROUND FLOOR LOFT OFFICE SPACE. SO IN ADDITION TO THE, THE PART OF THE FIVE SPACES THAT WE'VE CREATED HERE OUTSIDE OF THE MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH YOU, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS, WAS BASICALLY DIRECTION FROM STAFF. SO WE HAD INITIALLY STARTED WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY PRODUCT. STAFF CAME BACK AND, AND HAD SAID, HEY, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE ALONG THIS FIVE TRAIL. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL, A LOT MORE RETAIL. AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT SPACES THAT MADE SENSE WHAT YOU, SO WHAT EXACTLY, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THREE MIXED USE BUILDINGS INCORPORATING THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, AND THEN THE GROUND FLOOR LOFT OFFICE. AND AS YOU HAD, UH, QUESTIONED MR. CHAIR, WE ARE SURFACE PARKED, UH, AND WE'VE, WE'VE PUSHED ALL OF THE PARKING TO THE PART OF THE REQUEST FOR THE RATIO REDUCTION IS BECAUSE THIS IS AN URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT. OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THESE SPACES ARE WALKING TO THE RETAIL THAT'S NEARBY THAT'S THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN THAT THOSE OFFICES WILL BE LIVING THERE AND, AND ALSO UTILIZING THOSE RETAIL SPACES. SO THE NEED FOR THE PARKING IS CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN WHAT YOU'D SEE IN A STANDARD GARDEN STYLE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT. THIS, HONESTLY, THIS IS A SNIPPET FROM THE VIBE TRAIL MASTER PLAN. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT GOT OUR TEAM EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT TO BEGIN WITH THE FACT THAT WE COULD BE PART OF THE CITY'S VIBE TRAIL WAS EXTREMELY ENTICING TO US. WE, WE LOVED THAT CONCEPT OF HAVING RESIDENTIAL, OF HAVING OFFICE, OF HAVING RETAIL, OF HAVING RESTAURANTS ALL IN THAT ONE SPACE AGAINST A TRAIL THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE REST OF THE CITY. HIGHLY EXCITING AS WILL HAD MENTIONED THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS TO REZONE FROM RS TO PUT MXD ON THE MULTI-FAMILY SIDE, I PROPOSED USES INCLUDE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM. MULTI-FAMILY THE LEASING OFFICE AND AMENITY SPACE. AND WE DO HAVE PUBLIC AMENITY AS WELL AS PRIVATE AMENITY INCLUDED IN THAT THE, THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL RESTAURANT, AND THEN THE LOFT OFFICE SPACE, UH, THE PROHIBITED USES, UH, WERE REQUESTS FROM CITY STAFF, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH. EXCUSE ME. UH, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THESE TOO MUCH. I THINK WE'LL COVER THESE PRETTY WELL. AND THESE WERE ALL, UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, [00:20:01] NOT A, THE SECTION 53, 6 77 AND SECTION 53, 7 69, ALL CAME FROM STAFF AND WE'RE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THOSE REALLY, TO US, THE POD MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET A SUPERIORITY. IT'S NOT JUST ASKING FOR VARIANCES. SO WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO BE A TRAIL ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, A T OD. IT WAS, AND I'LL SAY IT, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT ALREADY MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. AND AGAIN, WE ARE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE VIBE TRAIL. WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE VIBE TRAIL. AS FAR AS THE UP RAIL GOES, WE DID WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL SCREENING THERE. SO WE ARE ADDING SOME TREES BEYOND WHAT CODE REQUIRES. WE'RE ADDING TWO PUBLIC AMENITIES, AND WE WILL BE INSTALLING APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND LITER FEET OF THE VIBE TRAIL. YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THIS EXHIBIT APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE WE'D WANT A HAWK BEACON, WHICH IS A PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL TYPICALLY, UH, UTILIZED WHEN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL ISN'T WARRANTED, BUT YOU STILL WANT TO BE CAREFUL AND MAKE SURE THAT PEDESTRIANS ARE SAFE AS THEY'RE CROSSING ROADWAYS. AGAIN, APPROXIMATE LOCATION DEPENDS ON AVAILABILITY OF ELECTRICITY, WHERE WE CAN PUT THE EQUIPMENT, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE LINE OF SIGHT FOR BOTH THE PEDESTRIAN, AS WELL AS THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN MENTIONED BY STAFF. WE WERE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH IT. YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THIS EXHIBIT THAT ON THE NORTH END, WHICH IS PAGE, RIGHT, WE ARE EXTENDING THE VIBE TRAIL UP IN FRONT OF THOSE LOFT OFFICES. WE WANT THE LOFT OFFICES TO BE ACTIVE WITH THE VIBE TRAIL. SO THE LOFT OFFICE SPACE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE AS A STANDARD OFFICE, WHICH HAS INDIVIDUAL SPACES THAT EVERYONE WORKS OUT OF. A LOFT OFFICE SPACE IS GEARED TOWARD ADVERTISING AGENCIES, TECH, TECH FIRMS, THAT KIND OF BUSINESS. THEY TEND TO HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE, MORE OPEN OFFICE COLLABORATIVE SPACES. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT PEOPLE COLLABORATING USING THE GLAZING ON THAT GROUND FLOOR, SEEING THE VIBE TRAIL AND SEEING THAT ACTIVATION. THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW RENDITION, AND AGAIN, VIBE TRAIL. WE WANNA BE A PART OF IT. THE FACT THAT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IS THERE ALREADY BRINGS SO MUCH CHARACTER TO THAT AREA. WE WANT EXPAND ON IT. WE WANT IT, WE WANT IT TO GROW. SO WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND WE WANT YOU TO HELP US EMBRACE THE RAIL AND EMBRACE THE VIBE TRAIL. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. THE ONE, TWO AND THREE UNIT OR, UH, BEDROOM UNIT, DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN AS TO WHAT OF THE 2 75 OR 2 65? I SAW BOTH NUMBERS, UM, WHAT EACH WILL BE. I'M GONNA HAVE JOSH DELT FROM MARINA MAN, RESPOND TO THAT. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO TALK ABOUT THIS. UM, WE WILL PARK OUR PROJECT AT ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM. THAT'S WHAT MARKET IS IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE ONE BARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM. OUR UNIT MIX WILL WORK OUT TO WHERE IT'S 1.45 ACTUALLY, PER UNIT, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND, UH, WE ALSO WILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 30 TO 35 DEDICATED RETAIL SPACES. THE REALITY IS WE COULD PROBABLY GO WITH A SHARE OF AT LEAST A HUNDRED SPACES BETWEEN THE TWO USES, ASSUMING THAT THE RETAIL SPACES ARE UTILIZED. LIKE WE HOPE THAT THEY ARE. UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, REALLY, THAT'S PROBABLY A 30 SPACE OVERALL SHARE BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, USES. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, FRANKLY WE'LL HAVE ACCESS PARKING IN THAT SCENARIO, BUT FOR US, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT THAT FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE THAT WE CAN PARK OUR PROJECT. AND IF WE CAN'T, IT WILL BE A VERY BIG PROBLEM FOR US, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WILL I GOT MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU NOW? THE, UM, SO THE PARKING FOR THE NON-RESIDENTIAL, UM, JUST TYPICALLY, I, I DON'T SEE ANY VARIANCES HERE, SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING WITH THE NORMAL, BUT, BUT THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MXD IS. SO FOR THE RETAIL SPACE, I'M SEEING 9,000 SQUARE FEET [00:25:01] OR 9 95, 9500 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. YES. 9,500. OKAY. IS THAT ONE UNIT, IS THAT ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 250 SQUARE FEET? THAT IS WHAT I THINK RETAIL IS. I'M NOT SURE IF MXD RETAIL IS THE SAME, THE, THEY, UH, THEY'RE PARKING IT WITH 33. THE MINIMUM WOULD BE, WOULD BE 38, BUT AS, AGAIN, AS WITH THE INTENT OF IT BEING MXD, IT IS IF IT WENT STRAIGHT AT ONE SPACE WHERE TWO 50 IT'S IT'S, UH, IT WOULD BE FIVE SHORT, THE IDEA BEING, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO MORE URBAN STYLE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING REDUCTIONS FOR PARKING ARE MORE APPROPRIATE. SO YOU CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT DESIGN BUILT UP TO THE CODE, RIGHT. ARE UP TO THE, THE STREET. I, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S FIVE SPACES, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. UH, UH, UH, BUT WHAT, OKAY. DOES LEASING SLASH AMENITIES AND LOFT OFFICE REQUIRE PARKING BECAUSE THAT'S THE 9,500 SQUARE FEET FOR RETAIL, NOT INCLUDING THE 8,000 SQUARE FEET BETWEEN THE 4,000 LEASING AMENITIES, 4,000 LOFT OFFICE. I, I DON'T SEE ANY PARKING PUT INTO THE EQUATION FOR THAT. THE, UH, FOR THE I'M GONNA MAKE AN, I DON'T LIKE TO ASSUME, BUT I'M GONNA MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE OFFICE AND THE RETAIL ARE ACCOUNTED TOGETHER FOR THE 35 SPACES. NOW IT IS QUITE COMMON FOR PROJECTS TO SHARE PARKING AT THE SAME TIME WHEN IT COMES TO MXD, RIGHT. BUT IT'S ALREADY UNDER THE 251 FOR 250 SQUARE FEET FOR JUST THE RETAIL. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE ALSO NOT HAVING PARKING FOR THOSE 33 SPACES ARE ALSO ACCOUNTING FOR THE LOFT OFFICE. AND THE I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF LEASING AND AMENITIES REQUIRES, UM, THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET THAT REQUIRES PARKING OR NOT, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT ACCOUNTING FOR IT. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I MEAN, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT IT TOO, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YEAH. I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. AND, AND AGAIN, WHAT THIS STYLE OF PRODUCT, WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR IS THE ONE PARK AND THEN SHARING ALL OF THAT SPACE. SO THE LEASING AND AMENITY SPACE WILL BE UTILIZED BY THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING THERE, RIGHT? AND THEN SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THIS FACILITY WILL ALSO BE UTILIZING THE RETAIL AND HOPEFULLY EVEN THAT OFFICE AREA. SO WITH THIS SHARED SPACE, THE IDEA IS THAT WE AREN'T GIVING A WHOLE LOT OF THE LAND AWAY TO SURFACE PARKING. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZED. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. GO, GO AHEAD. YEAH, DON'T MOVE. I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. YES, SIR. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU EXPECT THAT PEOPLE IN THE UNIT TO BE USING THE RETAIL, BUT NOT FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THIS LIKE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO BE USING THE RETAIL INSIDE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. I, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD, YES. AND AGAIN, I WOULD ALSO HOPE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VIBE TRAIL AND EVEN WALK TO SOME OF THESE SPACES. WELL, ALL OF THEM, NO, OF COURSE NOT. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT UNDER THAT GUYS, BUT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WE PLAN AS BEST WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE USES THAT WE SEE. YEAH. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ADJUST OUR PARKING SO THAT WE DO HAVE ONE PER, TWO 50 ON THE RETAIL, IN ADDITION TO ONE PER BEDROOM FOR ALL OF THE MULTIFAMILY, OUR PEAK, UH, PARKING DEMAND. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARKING AND HOW PATTERNS ARE ON THE MULTI SIDE IS SUNDAY NIGHT OFFICE AND MULTIFAMILY HAVE VERY OPPOSITE SCHEDULES FOR PARKING. AND SO HAVING A COMPLETE SHARE FOR THE OFFICE BASE WITHIN OUR RESIDENTIAL PARKING, UH, FELT LIKE IT, IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE. WE'VE DONE THAT. I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE ON PROJECTS WHERE LITERALLY I'VE BUILT A GARAGE THAT WAS SHARED BY BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE OFFICE AND THE RETAIL. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN URBAN SETTING, BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO DO, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT ONLY BUILD THIS PROJECT FOR TODAY, BUT FOR TOMORROW. AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE PARKED OUR PRODUCT PROJECT ADEQUATELY. THERE IS NO COMPACT SPACES IN THERE. CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY OUR UNIT MIX, TO MAKE UNITS BIGGER WITHOUT LOSING AREA SO THAT OUR PARKING RATIO WORKS OUT PERFECTLY FINE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO COMPLY ON THE RETAIL SIDE WITH THE PARKING RATIO THAT, UH, AND WITHOUT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. [00:30:02] UM, ALRIGHT. SO JUST QUICK MATH, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS, IS THAT THERE ARE 435, WHICH IS WHY I THINK I SAW A PARKING SPACES FOR JUST THE RESIDENTIAL 4 35 RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THERE'S 200. ARE WE SAYING 275 OR 2065 UNITS? I THINK ON THE PUT DOCUMENTS, IT'S 2 75 ON THE SLIDESHOW YOU HAD EARLIER. IT WAS 2 65. DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS? I CAN ANSWER IT ON THE PUT DOCUMENT. THAT'S THE, THE REQUEST I WON SPECIFICALLY ORIGINALLY IT WAS 2 65, BUT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE CHANGED IT TO 2 75. UM, IF YOU DO THE MATH AT A, ON A PER UNIT BASIS YES. THAT COMES OUT TO, UM, 1.58, UH, PARKING SPACES PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT. RIGHT. UM, AND SO, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE MINIMUM, SO THEY CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IF THEY DO NEED IT, BUT GENERALLY WHAT WE SEE FOR PROJECTS AS THEY COME ALONG, EVEN IF THEY ASK FOR THE MINIMUM ON A RESIDENTIAL, USUALLY THEY'RE PARKING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT AS WELL. RIGHT. SO, SO, SO JUST 2 35 SPACES, MINUS 275 UNITS, THAT IS 160 EXTRA SPACES FOR EXTRA BEDROOMS. IF WE'RE DOING ONE SPACE PER BEDROOM, 275 SPACES ARE TAKEN UP, ASSUMING THEY'RE ALL ONE BEDROOM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT 160 SPACES LEFT. SO IT DOESN'T, I GUESS THERE'S GONNA EITHER BE, NEED TO BE A LOT OF ONE BEDROOMS IN THIS, OR NOT VERY MANY, THREE BEDROOMS. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS FINE, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PUT DOCUMENTS. I THINK IT WILL NEED TO BE IN THERE. IF, IF, IF WE'RE SAYING IT WILL BE ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN THERE BECAUSE I'M, I'M REALLY AFRAID WITHOUT HAVING THAT NORMAL STANDARD OF TWO UNITS PER, YOU KNOW, TWO SPACES PER UNIT PLUS A HALF PER EXTRA BEDROOM THAT HELPS GUARD US IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY LARGE BEDROOM UNITS AND NOT ENOUGH SPACES. I HEAR YOU. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. UH, THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE IT INCLUDED IN THERE IS BECAUSE WE DID WANNA PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY. SO WE SEE WHAT THE MARKET DEMANDS CUZ OUR CODE AS A STANCE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN IT WITH EXCEPTION OF THE PARKING RATIOS THEMSELVES, LIKE WE DON'T REQUIRE A CERTAIN NUMBER OR ONE BEDROOMS OR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TWO BEDROOMS OR THREE BEDROOMS. UM, WHAT WE GENERALLY SEE AS PROJECTS COME IN, WE LOOK AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMITS. THERE'S A, IT, IT'S MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE TWO BEDROOMS. THERE'S A, AND FOLLOWING THAT IT'S ONE BEDROOM AND THERE'S VERY FEW, THREE BEDROOMS IN MOST CASES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING, BUT THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL. MR. CHAIR. I I'M, WE'RE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE, IF, IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION'S WILLING TO, UH, AMEND AS PART OF THE APPROVAL OR EXCUSE ME, CONDITION IS PART OF THE APPROVAL. UH, THE PARKING WE COULD, WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH DOING ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM. OKAY. AND, AND THAT'S JUST THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING NUMBER, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, OKAY. YES. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO IF, IF WE DO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. UM, THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. WHAT ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON HERE WILL, SO I, I LIVE HERE. I, I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS. UH I'LL. I'LL TELL YOU NOW THAT THE LAST DEVELOPMENT GOT ZERO COMMENTS, THIS ONE GOT A LOT AND THEY WEREN'T GOOD. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW IT REQUIRES TWO EXITS. YOU HAVE ONE EXIT THAT'S COMING OUT RIGHT INTO A ROUNDABOUT. YOU HAVE FIRE ACCESS THAT FIRE'S NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE UNLESS THEY'RE HOPPING OVER THAT MEDIA AND ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THERE'S NO WAY FIRE'S GETTING IN THERE. UM, I, I'VE GOT A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS. I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, I HAVE ISSUES. SO ONCE WE GET TO DISCUSSION ALL, ALL VOICES, UM, BUT HAS THIS BEEN REVIEWED FOR, FOR THOSE ITEMS? SO, UM, I DO BELIEVE FIRE HAS LOOKED AT IT CONCEPTUALLY AND THEY ARE FINE WITH HAVING AN ACCESS POINT BACK THERE MM-HMM UM, FROM AN EMERGENCY ASPECT. SO, UM, IT WILL BE DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY FOR BOTH FIRE CODE AND IT, OF COURSE, IT'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE, IF IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD MEDIAN, IT'LL, IT'LL HAVE TO BE D DONE APPROPRIATELY WITHOUT QUESTION. YEAH. UM, AND THEN, UM, THAT THE FIRST ENTRANCE OFF THE ROUNDABOUT THERE, IT NEEDS TO BE SET BACK SUFFICIENTLY ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT ALSO TO HAVE ALSO MEET FIRE CODE AT THE SAME TIME, FROM A SPACING PERSPECTIVE ON THERE. MM-HMM SO, UM, IF IT, IT, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM IN [00:35:01] THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE TREES RIGHT THERE. SO IF IT NEEDS TO MOVE BACK A LITTLE BIT, UM, WE CAN, WE, WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN TO SHOW WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS GENERALLY, AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE FURTHER, UH, TWEAKS TO IT, WHENEVER WE'RE REVIEW ACTUALLY REVIEWING IT, THAT, THAT MAKE MORE SENSE THAT STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THIS COMP PLAN. WE CAN DO THAT. MM-HMM OKAY. BUT I JUST, YEAH, THAT EXIT'S GONNA BE TOUGH, ESPECIALLY WHEN A TRAIN'S GOING BY GETTING IN AND OUT OF THIS AREA AS A WHOLE IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT AS IT, IS IT ALREADY BACKS UP TO, TO EITHER PHYSICIANS OR WHATEVER THAT, THAT STREET IS RIGHT BEFORE? OH YEAH, THERE WAS A YESTERDAY, I MEAN, THE TRAIN WAS SITTING OUT HERE. SO, UH, WE WERE LUCKY WHEN WE LEFT AT FIVE O'CLOCK THAT IT WAS ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE SECTION MARKETPLACE BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND 9 35, BUT MM-HMM MARKETPLACE ITSELF, OTHERWISE. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T CONTROL, TRAIN. YEAH. THE TRAIN JUST GENERALLY, HISTORICALLY IN THE US, THE TRAINS HAVE LITERALLY THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET AROUND IT. AND YOU DO THE BEST JOB YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN. WHEN IT COMES TO SITES BEING BUILT AROUND IT, UM, MARKETPLACE IN ITSELF, WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC COUNT FOR IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A RELATIVELY LOW, UM, UH, IF YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND IT ON ANY GIVEN PORTION OF THE DAY, IT'S RELATIVELY UNDERUTILIZED. UM, AND IT HAS A LOT OF FREE FLOWING TRAFFIC, QUITE HONESTLY. UM, THERE ARE PEAK HOURS JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER ROAD. UH, BUT GENERALLY IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD ROAD AND IT'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG IT YET. SO, UH, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A T I SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED AND WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE IT IN THE CODE AS IT IS, BUT, UM, WE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA GO. IT'S IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE STREET. THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT THERE. WELL, YOU'RE ADDING, WE'RE ADDING DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO THIS POSSIBLY THIS DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT, IT MIGHT WARRANT IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PIPE ACROSS THE STREET. I MEAN, WE DON'T, THE AREA'S STARTING TO GET FULL AND IT'S, IT'S A SINGLE LANE STREET GOING THROUGH THERE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN A SINGLE LANE STREET? I MEAN, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, TWO LANE STREET MARKETPLACE GOING THROUGH THERE, THERE AREN'T, IT'S NOT A FOUR LANE. UM, AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT, ESPECIALLY WE'RE ADDING MULTI-FAMILY INSTEAD OF RETAIL, YOUR RETAIL TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE A LOT LESS THAN YOUR, YOUR MULTI-FAMILY NUMBER OF UNITS. JUST NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT AREA. I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE HAVE A ED IMPACT STUDY DONE ON IT TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO. WE'RE WE'RE JUST JAMMING A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS STREET. OKAY. WELL, I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. UM, IT MIGHT BE LIKE, UH, I, WE HAVE A FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT AND I REMEMBER BEFORE WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE FOUR MEMBER QUORUM ON A VOTE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE DO THE VOTE THAT WE REMEMBER THAT RULE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES UP VERY OFTEN, BUT JUST, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ANSWER JUST YET, BUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO TO THE VOTE, I WANT YOU JUST TO GO OVER WHAT THAT SPECIAL RULE IS IN A BOARD MEMBER PERSON. BEAR WITH ME JUST A MOMENT. YES, SIR. ALWAYS DOING THAT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO MOTION? OKAY. DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE? OKAY. IS THAT ALRIGHT? IF YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. SHARE, BASED ON THE COMMENTS, ALL RELEVANT, WE, WE HEAR YOU, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND REQUEST THE TABLING OF THIS ITEM FOR THE MOMENT. WE'LL POSTPONE IT TILL ANOTHER TIME, UM, LOOK INTO SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN RESOLVE. UM, I, I KNOW THAT AND IF, IF THE COMMISSION DOESN'T MIND REITERATING SOME OF THOSE THINGS, I KNOW I HEARD DENSITY PARKING, TRAFFIC AND COMMISSIONER JAMES, I THINK YOU HAD HAD, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD, UH, UH, YEAH. DO YOUR ISSUES FALL IN THOSE? I MEAN, MY, MY ISSUE WAS JUST MAINLY WITH TABLING IT BEFORE WE HAD DEBATE. SO AT LEAST WE CAN GIVE ACCURATE FEEDBACK TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY, MY CONCERN ON, ON, ON THE TRAFFIC ON THIS TOO, AND IT'S NOT JUST SPECIFIC TO YOUR PROJECT, THERE ARE PROJECTS GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET AND FURTHER UP THE STREET THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE [00:40:01] TRAFFIC. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IS GONNA GIVE YOU A TRUE PICTURE. THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT THE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE FROM ALL OF IT IN ORDER TO GET AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. WELL, IF THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, WOULD IT, WOULD THEY ALSO CONSIDER THE POSSIBLE THINGS THAT ARE GOING IN, IN THE SAME VICINITY? I'M NOT SURE THAT ANSWER THE POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT WOULD ARISE IS WHAT'S EXISTING IN TERMS OF ENTITLEMENTS VERSUS WHAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE PROPOSED COMING FORWARD THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN NOTICED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, IT WON'T BE AS ACCURATE AS WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE. I'LL SAY THAT. SO, SO WE, A, A TIA ON AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT BASIS IS ONE THING, BUT WHEN YOU START TRYING TO GET THE ADJACENT PROJECTS THAT ONE'S ENTITLED, BUT THEY WANT TO POTENTIALLY MAKE AMENDMENTS VERSUS THE OTHER ONE THAT'S NOT ENTITLED YET IS STILL GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. YES, SIR. WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH ACCURATE INFORMATION AS WE WOULD LIKE, PLUS WE DON'T HAVE THE T REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE ON STAFF WHO SPECIFICALLY HAS THAT EXPERIENCE IN IT AS WELL. NOW THAT'S A PORTION OF A CODE WE'D LIKE TO RECTIFY IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT ALSO MEANS WE NEED TO HAVE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE ON STAFF TO ACCOUNT FOR IT. OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO THIRD PARTY IT OUT AND HAVE IT PAID FOR AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, NO, SO THERE'S SOME, I GET IT. YEAH, I GET IT. UM, ARE YOU OKAY WITH, YEAH. OKAY. UH, I, I, I AT LEAST PERSONALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR CONCERNS AND, AND, AND, AND, AND FOR WANTING TO FIND WAYS TO ADDRESS THEM. UH, UM, THAT DOES MEAN A LOT. AND I, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT ARE GOOD. I DO WANNA SEE MORE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE VIBE TRAIL AND, AND REALLY MAKING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE, THAT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR BOTH YOU AND FOR THE CITY. UM, AND SO I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND YES, SIR. SORRY. UM, JUST ONE MORE THING, IF WE COULD POSTPONE TO A DATE, CERTAIN PLEASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE WANNA DO THE NEXT SCHEDULE, WHICH WILL BE, UH, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY? IS THAT SUFFICIENT TIME? THAT'D BE FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO THE SECOND MEETING OF SEPTEMBER. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MYSELF, SECONDED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER CHASE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'M SORRY, WHAT, UH, THE SECOND MEETING OF THIS MONTH, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, WHAT IS THAT DATE? THE 27TH. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE SAY, SORRY. SAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT ITEM NUMBER [8.  General Discussion] EIGHT, GENERAL DISCUSSION EIGHT, A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE AN ITEM THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON A FUTURE AGENDA? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE WILL, UH, MOVE FORWARD TO MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. UM, ARE WE GONNA BE PLACING THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ON THE NEXT MEETING OR WILL WE BE WAITING TILL OCTOBER WE LEAVE? THE PLAN IS TO BE THE NEXT MEETING. ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT PRIOR TO THE NEW, UH, MEMBERS BEING SEATED? YES. YES WE ARE. UM, CITY COUNCIL. THAT WILL, THAT, THAT WILL SEGUE INTO MY WELL, YEAH, NO, UH, YOU, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND, AND GO TO ITEM NINE AND SEE, YOU CAN JUST GO INTO YOUR THING IF YOU, IF THAT'S OKAY. IF THERE'S NO MORE IT AGENDA. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, GREAT. SO, UH, ITEM [9.  Staff Report] NUMBER NINE, STAFF REPORT, UH, NINE A STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. MR. ATKINSON. THANK YOU. UM, SO TO CONTINUE THE, THE LINE OF THOUGHT, UM, SO THE 27TH WILL BE THREE DAYS AFTER THE 9 24 MEETING, WHICH IS ON SATURDAY, STARTING AT 8:00 AM. IT'S A SPECIAL CALL CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA CONSIDER THE APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, REAPPOINTMENTS AND NEW APPOINTMENTS TO COMMISSIONS. SO WE HAVE FOUR, SO WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE EXPIRING THAT ARE GONNA BE REPLACED AND THEN TWO REAPPOINTMENTS THAT NEED TO, SO, BUT WE WILL, IT HAVE TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, SO THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL OF THEM. SO, UM, SO BY THE 27TH, WE SHOULD BE [00:45:01] AT LEAST APPOINT FROM AN APPOINTMENT STANDPOINT, BE FULLY, FULLY SEATED. AND SO WE SHOULD BE ALRIGHT. GREAT. UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO STATE WAS, UM, WE, UM, WE'RE IN THE DATA COLLECTION PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, OUR COMP PLAN RIGHT NOW. UM, WE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT OUR, OUR VIRGINITY HAS REQUESTED. AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN GO, UM, ONCE THEY START PROCESSING ALL THAT WITH OUR TEAM AND ALL THAT, AND WE'LL, WE'LL START SEEING STUFF, UM, COMING OUT OF THE, OUT THAT PROCESS AS WELL. AND SO AS PART OF THAT, UM, Y'ALL WILL BE PART OF THAT. SO WE'LL CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND SO WE CAN HAVE A GOOD COMP PLAN HAPPENING. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG THINGS OTHER THAN THE REOCCURRING ONE. UH, API'S COMING UP FOR THOSE THAT FIND OUT, JUST GOING UP, DON'T FORGET IT. WE GOT EVERYTHING ALL TAKEN CARE FROM FLIGHTS, HOTELS, UM, BEING REGISTERED FOR THE CONFERENCE, ALL THAT STUFF. SO GOOD. THANK YOU. YEP. ALL RIGHT. UH, ADAM NUMBER 10 ADJOURNMENT. I MAY COMMOTION THAT WE ADJOURN. SECOND, SECOND. SO MOTION BY MYSELF. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TIMMONS. UM, ALL THOSE A FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. WE ARE ADJOURNED. GOODNIGHT, EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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