Sep 27, 2022 Planning and Zoning Meeting

THE TIME

[B. Reconvene into open session.]

IS 7 0 3.

I'M GOING TO, UH, RECONVENE OUR MEETING INTO OPEN SESSION, UH, DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN, BUT, UM, COMMISSIONER TIMS DID RESIGN.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR A CITIZEN COMMENTS PERIOD.

UM, IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK YOU, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.

NOW.

WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES THAT YOU, UH, COME UP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, YOU MAY COME UP NOW.

SEEING NOW, I'M GONNA CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS, CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED.

I NUMBER FIVE.

PRESENTATION

[A. Recognition of Megan McCall for her years of service on the Planning and Zoning Commission.]

FIVE.

A RECOGNITION OF MEGHAN MCCALL FOR HER YEARS OF SERVICE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM.

DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE FOR POSTPONING OF A PRESENTATION? I, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.

I THINK YOU CAN JUST, OKAY.

SAY WE WE'RE GONNA POSTPONING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING.

SIX, NOMINATIONS AND ELECTIONS.

WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE THIS ONE TO THE NEXT MEETING.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ITEM NUMBER

[A.

Nomination(s) for Chair and Vice-Chair.

]

[B. Election(s) for Chair and Vice-Chair.]

UM, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ITEMS A AND B TOGETHER.

UH, ITEM A NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ITEM B ELECTIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

THE REASON FOR, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE NOMINATIONS AND ELECTION FOR THE CHAIR FIRST IN CASE SOMEONE GETS NOMINATED FOR CHAIR AND THEN DOES NOT GET THAT POSITION.

WOULD LIKE TO THEN BE NOMINATED FOR VICE CHAIR.

DOES THAT, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM.

SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION? YES.

UH, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO, TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO HOW WE'VE BEEN CURRENTLY DOING BUSINESS.

I I FEEL THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB, SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE YOU TO CONTINUE IN YOUR CAPACITY AS CHAIR.

I I DO ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO WE MOTION AND VOTE? OKAY.

WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

I'LL OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES.

UH, NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE VICE CHAIR? UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A NOMINATION.

I WILL NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER CHASE TO VICE CHAIR.

I WILL ACCEPT THE NOMINATION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS WE'D LIKE TO MAKE FOR VICE CHAIR? OKAY, THEN I MOVE, WE, UM, APPOINT COMMISSIONER CHASE TO VICE CHAIR.

IS THERE SECOND.

EIGHT A POSTPONED ON 9 13 22.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVORS SAY I.

BYE ALL POST MOTION PASSES.

UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CONSENT

[7. Consent]

IT WAS JUST, UH, WE ONLY HAVE A TODAY FOR CONSENT.

ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS MR. SHE? YES.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND APPROVED.

UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ZONING

[A.

Recommendation to City Council

]

CONSIDERING POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A REQUEST BY AMANDA SWO OF DER GROUP TO REZONE

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APPROXIMATELY 9.12 ACRES OF LAND TO P U D MX D FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH BURLESON AND MARKETPLACE AVENUE IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.

JULIA PARKER, FAMILY PARTNERSHIP AND THE L W PARKER FAMILY TRUST Z 22 1 0 4.

MISS DRAGONS WILL ATKINSON PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD.

SO, UM, AT THE LAST TIME Y'ALL MET AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT FOLLOWING SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION, UM, THEY HAD REQUESTED, UH, THE SIGNING B POSTPONE FOR CONSIDERATION AND NOW IT'S BACK.

UM, THEY HAVE COORDINATED WITH US TO WORK TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR THEM TO BRING BACK TO THEM, INCLUDING MORE CLARIFICATION, PARKING SPACES PER BED ROOM, AND ALSO, UM, A TRAFFIC OR A PARKING STUDY.

AND IT ALSO SHOWS THE DIFFERENT TIMING OF THE DAYS FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USES AND ALL THAT EFFECTIVELY IN THERE AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, AND I GOTTA, LET ME JUST PULL UP THE, UH, THE ITEM HERE.

AND THEY ALSO UPDATED THE CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL.

SO, UM, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE, UH, ADEQUATELY MET THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND IT DOES MAKE SENSE AS FAR AS WE ARE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT.

WE ARE NOT EXPERTS AT THE TRIP GENERATION, I'LL SAY THAT.

UM, BUT AT A A HIGHER LEVEL, AT A BASIC LEVEL, IT DOES SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BY OF THE APPLICANT, FEEL FREE TO, UM, TO ASK THEM.

SO THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.

VICE CHAIR.

CHASE, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN? SURE.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YEAH.

UM, WE PROVIDED Y'ALL EXHIBIT B, WHICH WAS MISSING IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE AS WELL.

UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHEN WE PROVIDED THAT THIS EVENING, THIS CONCEPTS PLAN THAT THEY UPDATE IS MOSTLY REFLECTIVE OF, UH, AN INCREASE OF UNITS WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY, THEY'RE PROPOSING.

JUST AS A HEADS UP.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, TO ANSWER, BUT MY CONCERN PREVIOUSLY WAS TRAFFIC ONE, TWO, THE, THE PROXIMITY TO THAT SECOND EXIT TO THE ROUNDABOUT.

AND AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN THIS WEEKEND, UM, WHAT ABOUT LEFT TURNS FROM OUTTA THE ROUNDABOUT INTO THE COMPLEX? IS THAT GONNA BE ALLOWED THERE AGAIN? I KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A, A QUESTION THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, TO ANSWER.

TYPICALLY, UH, QUESTIONS OF THAT MANNER ARE USUALLY DONE AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PROCESS, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL MM-HMM.

FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

SO A CONCEPT PLAN, WHILE IT IS TO SCALE, MAY NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. SO AS, AS A FUNCTION OF THAT REVIEW, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ADEQUATELY MAKE SURE THAT THAT INTER, THAT DRIVEWAY PAN, IF YOU WILL, IS EFFECTIVELY AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM ANY CONFLICT POINTS OF THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.

MM-HMM.

, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD SEE WHERE I'M SEEING A, A MAJOR CONFLICT POINT.

THERE IS, YEAH.

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN LEFT THE TRAIN'S THERE, YOU'RE NOW BACKING UP THAT ENTIRE ROUNDABOUT UNTIL THE TRAFFIC CAN GET THROUGH, BUT THE TRAFFIC CAN'T GET THROUGH IF NO THREE TRAFFIC CAN GET THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE FOLKS ARE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR THEIR LEFT TURN.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SURE.

NOT TRYING TO INTERRUPT YOU.

EXCUSE ME.

NO, NO, NO PROBLEM.

UH, MY SECOND QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T, PLEASE DON'T MIND YOU, THE FOUR, UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT A TRIP GENERATION, UM, SPREADSHEET WAS GONNA BE PROVIDED.

MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

OR IT'S WITHIN THAT PARKING.

SO THIS IS MORE, I GUESS, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.

UM, IF MAYBE YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT AND THEN MAYBE SPEAK THROUGH THAT, THAT PARKING, IF THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW.

THE, UH, , THE AM TRIPS, THE PM TRIPS, AS WELL AS THE 24 HOUR TRIPS.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S AMANDA SWORE WITH JENN GROUP.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY? I HEAR MYSELF, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE WORST.

SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO MEET WITH YOU.

WE DID PROVIDE, UM, WE DID RUN THROUGH TWO THINGS BASED ON THE LAST CONVERSATION.

ONE WAS THE PARKING STUDY AND THE SECOND WAS THE TRIP GENERATION.

AND REALLY WHAT WE RAN WAS OKAY, IF WE HAVE THE PROJECT AS WE PROPOSE IT TODAY, AND WE RAN BOTH

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AND THEN WE DID KIND OF A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE ON WHAT YOU COULD BUILD TODAY UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING.

AND THE NUMBERS THAT WE SHOWED IS, IT'S UNDER THE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ABOUT OVER HALF OF THE TRIPS THAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE DEVELOP WITH A COMMERCIAL ZONING, UH, COMMERCIAL PROJECT UNDER THIS.

SO EXACT NUMBERS, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT HAD A SHOPPING CENTER, RESTAURANTS, ET CETERA, YOU WOULD BE AT ABOUT 4,954 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.

THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 2,445.

UM, AND THAT'S 24 HOUR TRIPS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S COMING AND GOING.

THAT'S EVERYBODY, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DAY.

SO OVER HALF OF WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE, UM, BE DONE AND THE PEAK TRIPS ARE BOTH ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER FOR AM AND P AND PEAK ON A 24 HOUR BASIS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, OKAY.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, SO I DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT THIS PAST WEEK AND WE DID DISCUSS MY CONCERNS THAT I HAD SPOKE ON THE DIAS LAST TIME.

JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PER PER BEDROOM.

THAT, THAT IS CLEARER NOW IN THE NEW MATERIAL WE HAVE.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DISCUSSED HERE, IS THE PLANS YOU ALL HAVE FOR THE SIDE THAT IS FACING THE RAILROAD.

UM, JUST I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY INFORMATION WE SPOKE ABOUT IS IN PUBLIC.

UH, SO CAN YOU DISCUSS WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? YES, JUST ONE SECOND.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LET JOSH DEL COME WITH ARENA MAN, COME AND SPEAK TO THAT.

YES, MA'AM.

I'M JOSH STOK, UH, WITH ARENA MAN DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE TRY TO DO WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING IN A COMMUNITY IS REALLY TRY TO EMBRACE THE HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY, WHAT MAKES IT SO SPECIAL.

AND THE RAIL, OBVIOUSLY, AND KYLE HAS BEEN A, A HUGE COMPONENT OF WHY KYLE IS EXISTS AND, AND, AND HOW IT'S THRIVED OVER TIME.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M TELLING YOU TOO MUCH, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO EMBRACE IT HONESTLY, INSTEAD OF TURNING OUR BACK TO IT.

NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ADDITIONAL SOUND ATTENUATION FOR THE UNITS THAT ARE FACING IT SO THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A NUISANCE TO THEM.

BUT OUR INTENTION IS REALLY TO SORT OF UTILIZE THE AREA IN BETWEEN THE TRACKS AND, AND SORT OF WHERE OUR RESIDENTS WOULD PARK THEIR VEHICLES AND TO MONETIZE THEM WITH GRILLS WHERE YOU CAN JUST PULL UP YOUR TRUCK AND PUT DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, TAILGATE AND HAVE A LITTLE TAILGATE BACK THERE AGAINST THE TRACKS.

UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PLANS ARE CALLING FOR US TO BUILD A, UM, AN AN OUTDOOR STRUCTURED AMENITY SPACE OVER IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY, NEAR OUR POND OVER AT THE TRACKS.

AND REALLY, IT'S REALLY, I MEAN, IT, IT'S INTENDED TO BE SORT OF THE TRAIN WATCHING PLATFORM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE WOULD ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO SIT AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, SOCIALIZE.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO EMBRACE IT, I GUESS IS MY POINT.

AND, AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE TRACKS TO THE EXTENT YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S SAFE ALONG WITH LANDSCAPE SCREENING, UH, TREES, SHADE, ET CETERA.

GREAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? OH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? WILL, I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, THE, BEFORE Y'ALL MAKE A MOTION, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT THEY HAVE ASKED TO PRESENT.

YOU'RE GOOD.

WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

ALL RIGHT.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION? YES, SIR.

UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE.

ITEM ITEM.

CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON? SORRY.

UH, I MOVED TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT, A SECOND NOTE.

MAYBE THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T, UH, HURT IT, BUT, UM, OUT IN BARBECUE GRILLS AND A AND A SPLIT, A SPACE TO SOCIALIZE NOW, UH, RIGHT THERE IN THOSE FOLKS' BACKYARDS IS, IS, UH, A PRETTY TOUGH ONE TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FOR ME ANYWAY.

THE MOTION.

IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? VICE CHAIR, CHASE? SO I THINK I'VE MADE MY, MY CONCERNS PRETTY CLEAR ON THIS, AND TO BE HONEST, I, YOU JUST ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.

UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING AN AMENITY AND A PLACE FOR TRUCKS TO BACK UP AND TAILGATE AND EVERYTHING IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS ESSENTIALLY.

UM, THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TRACK.

UM, AS IT IS, I WAS CONCERNED WITH THE PARKING LOT THAT CAN GET PRETTY NOISY.

PEOPLE WORKING ON CARS I KNOW WON'T BE ALLOWED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS COULD HAPPEN.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT COMMUNITY AND FIRST OFF ABOUT PRIVACY, UM, AND THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE FAR ENOUGH AWAY WHERE, YOU KNOW,

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SO, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.

YEAH, HI JAMES.

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE THINGS TO DISCUSS ABOUT THIS IS LIKE, THIS IS ONE OF THE HARDEST PROPERTIES I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH IN THE, IN THE FEW YEARS, UM, THAT I'VE BEEN ON HERE.

UM, I THINK A LOT OF IT, THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERNS OF MAKING SURE ALL THESE, ALL THESE THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF, UM, IN THE SIZE AND WEIRD SHAPE THIS LOT IS.

AND ALSO KNOWING THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A FULL DEFINITION BEING EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT DUE TO HOW WE'VE KIND OF GIVEN A, UM, MID, MID SPACE AS IT WAS.

I CAN'T REMEMBER ANY SPECIFIC NAME OFF TOP OF MY HEAD.

KIND OF A MID SPACE BETWEEN LIKE THIS AREA OF KYLE AND OVER BY I 35.

AND SO TRANSITION, YEAH, TRANSITION, TRANSITION AREA.

UM, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME BY SHARE CHASE.

UM, YEAH, I HEAR THE CONCERNS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF TIME STAFF IS GONNA GET WITH THIS APPLICATION AND ALSO THE OWNERSHIP THAT UP HAS OF THAT RAILROAD TRACK IS WIDE ENOUGH.

I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME SCREENING AND THINGS THAT GO ON AT THAT SIDE OF IT AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT DID MENTION THERE IS GOING BE SCREENING, UM, AS HE SAID RIGHT THERE.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH AND KIND OF LET SOME OF THESE SMALLER DETAILS GO TO STAFF.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, I'M GONNA WEIGH IN MY 2 CENTS.

UM, SO LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ITEM, I WAS, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING.

UH, WHAT, WHAT I WAS GIVEN WAS THERE WAS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT THERE WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRELATION WAS.

I WAS AFRAID THERE WERE GONNA BE VERY LARGE UNITS WITH VERY FEW PARKING SPACES.

YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB ON THESE NEW CHANGES TO VERY, TO, TO, TO CLEARLY LIST MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING, PARKING SHALL RE RATIO OF ONE SPACE FOR BEDROOM.

AND THAT THERE ARE GOING ALSO BE SPECIFIC SPACES FOR RETAIL AS WELL.

AND SO I THINK, UM, IT IS A, I I THINK THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE HAVE BEEN MADE TO MAKE SURE THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING, BUT IT ALSO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS, THIS LOT WILL BE OVER PARKED EITHER.

I THINK, UH, IT IS AT A GOOD RATIO AND THE CONCERNS I HAD AT THE PREVIOUS, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING HAVE NOW ALL BEEN, UM, UH, UH, THEY'VE ALL BEEN MET.

UH, I THINK YES, GIVEN THIS LOT I DO THINK IS HARD TO FIND SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD TO PUT HERE.

BUT THIS DOES MAKE SENSE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE APPLICANT, GOOD FOR THE CITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THE VIBE TRAIL AND, UM, I DO SUPPORT THIS ITEM.

I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD SPOT FOR WHAT IT IS.

I THINK THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO, UH, MEET THE CITY PART WAY AND I, AND I DO SUPPORT IT, UM, FOR AS FAR AS I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS THIS GONNA DO TO TRAFFIC AND, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, WHERE ELSE DO WE PUT DENSITY? YOU KNOW, WE PUT DENSITY WHERE DENSITY MAKES SENSE.

THERE'S YOUR WALKABILITY TO THESE PLACES ON THE VIBE TRAIL.

YOU CAN WALK TO THE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE NEAR HERE.

ALSO, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ON SOME OF OUR ROADS THAT ALREADY WITHIN OUR CITY THAT CANNOT TAKE, UM, THIS MANY NEW UNITS IN IT.

THIS IS A PLACE I WOULD PUT THIS.

I SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

I SUPPORT THE LOCATION.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, UH, UM, A, A A A GOOD PROPOSAL AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE LISTENED TO US WELL AND CHANGED, UH, THINGS ACCORDINGLY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

UM, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE.

MARTHA APPROVE GARRA? AYE.

UM, THE VOTE IS THREE TO ONE WITH A FOUR PERSON QUORUM.

THAT VOTE FAILS OR THAT VOTE IS POSTPONED, WHICH IS THE VOTE.

SO IN OUR RULES, UH, PER FOR VOTING, IF YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE SEATED AT THE DIAS, IT COMES BACK TO Y'ALL AT THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.

SINCE IT DID NOT GET A UNANIMOUS VOTE, IT WILL COME BACK TO US AT THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.

NINE, UH, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION NINE A.

WHICH WILL BE OCTOBER 11TH.

[A.

Consider a request to construct an approximately 8,350 square feet restaurant building located at 19430 IH-35 within the I-35 overlay district. (Rudy's Country Store and BBQ - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-22-0063)

]

CONSIDER A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT APPROXIMATELY 8,350

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SQUARE FEET RESTAURANT BUILDING LOCATED AT AT 1 9 430 IH 35 WITHIN THE I 35 OVERLAY DISTRICT, RUDY'S COUNTRY STORE AND BARBECUE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C U P DASH 2263.

UM, MS. SHARP.

ALL RIGHT, UM, KAYLA SHARP, CITY PLANNER FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, UM, BUILDING ELEVATIONS WITHIN THE I 35 OVERLAY.

UM, IT'S A LITTLE OVER 8,300 SQUARE FEET, UM, FOR RUDY'S BARBECUE.

AND LET ME SHARE SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THE LOCATION.

UM, IT'S RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF KOHLERS AND THE I 35 FRONTAGE.

ALL RIGHT, HERE'S LOCATION.

UM, AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT AND HAS FOUND THAT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE I 35 OVERLAY.

UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE MATERIALS CONSISTING PRIMARILY OF PAINTED STUCCO, LIMESTONE VENEER, HARDY PLANK, UM, AND HAS MANY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AS WELL.

AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.

AND I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING.

SO WELL CAN PULL UP THE, UM, ELEVATIONS.

SO THESE RENDERINGS DON'T EXACTLY MATCH THE, THE ELEVATIONS MATCH.

UM, THE RENDERINGS DON'T EXACTLY MATCH.

THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW MINOR CHANGES, UM, MOSTLY JUST IN MATERIAL, UM, FROM HARDY PLANK TO PAINTED STUFF THOUGH.

UM, EVERYONE KNOWS RUDY'S HAS A SIGNATURE LOOK FOR THEIR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, AND IT'S USUALLY THE RED HARDY PLANK, UM, PER OUR I 35 OVERLAY.

HARDY PLANK IS NOT CONSIDERED A MASONRY MATERIAL.

SO, UM, THE APPLICANT CHANGED THAT TO THE PAINTED STUCCO THAT YOU SEE HERE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, SIR.

WILL, WOULD YOU MIND SCROLLING DOWN TO THE LANDSCAPE LINE? SURE.

SO I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, I DUNNO IF I'VE EVER VOTED ON SOMETHING BEFORE WITH THE, WITH THOSE OUTDOOR PITS, UH, OUTDOOR BARBECUE PITS.

UH, UH, UM, SO, UH, FROM THE ELEVATIONS, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS STILL, IT STILL HAD SOMEWHAT OF A ROOF AND WALLS, CORRECT? IT WAS, UM, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

GOOD? NO, I'M, I'M GOOD.

UM, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NINE A SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY VICE CHAIR CHASE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT THEY KIND OF SWITCH IT UP AWAY FROM THAT HARDY PLAN.

IT LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE A GREAT BUILDING.

YEAH.

ALL THOSE FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES.

ITEM NUMBER 10, GENERAL

[A. Discussion only regarding Planning and Zoning Commission request for future agenda items.
]

DISCUSSION.

10.

A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SEE SOMETHING ON A FUTURE AGENDA? I THINK I'D LIKE TO HAVE A, A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO CONSIDER MXD, WHAT COMPONENTS, WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RETAIL.

UH, I THINK AT TIMES WE'VE BEEN SKIRTING THE, THE SPIRIT OF MXD, UM, WHERE IT'S A LITTLE MORE HOUSING AND LESS RETAIL.

UM, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMISSION DISCUSS THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ON FUTURE AGENDAS? OKAY, ITEM NUMBER 11,

[A. Staff Report by William Atkinson, Interim Director of Planning.]

STAFF REPORT.

UH, 11 A STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

ACTUALLY IT'S DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

OH, AFTER THE AGENDA

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POSTING .

SO, UH, I HAD OUR, I HAD MY, UH, MY, UH, ANNUAL REVIEW AND THEY OFFERED IT, SO, SO IT WAS PRETTY, TOOK IT RIGHT? UH, YEAH, WE'RE WORKING OUT THE DETAILS FROM HR, BUT YES.

UM, BUT NO, IT'S BEEN EVERYBODY THAT'S ON OUR TEAM THAT REALLY DOES HELP SUPPORT THAT.

SO IT WASN'T MILO.

SO, UM, THE BIGGEST THINGS ARE, UH, WE'RE FINISHING WITH DATA COLLECTION MODE ON THE COMP PLAN.

SO WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE PAST THAT.

WE'RE GONNA START GETTING SOME STUFF SET UP MOSTLY INTERNALLY WITH STAFF MEETINGS, WITH MEETING WITH THEM, AND THEN START WORKING ON, UH, GETTING, UM, GETTING, UM, A COUPLE OF SURVEYS OUT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, AND WHEN I SAY DATA COLLECTION MODE, IT MEANT ALL THE DATA THAT THE CITY HAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE TO THEM THAT THEY WERE REQUESTING.

BUT NOW IN THE NEXT PHASE, WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING ON TO CITIZEN INPUT AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, AS PART OF THE CONTRACT, WE ARE ALSO GONNA BE PUTTING TOGETHER A, UH, A CITIZEN BOARD.

UM, IT PROBABLY WILL NOT INCLUDE Y'ALL NECESSARILY FROM AN ETHICS PERSPECTIVE, UM, BUT, UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON GETTING THAT DONE RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

UM, AS ONE OF MY REOCCURRING ONES AS USUAL, UH, THE APA CONFERENCES IN OCTOBER, UM, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL SIGNED UP, BUT IF YOU STILL WANT TO GO, WE CAN LOOK IN TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT CAN STILL BE DONE.

UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD AND, UM, UH, WE ARE OFFERING THAT TO THEM AND JUST DOUBLE CHECKING THAT WE'RE, THERE'S STILL SOME OPENINGS AND WHAT HAVE YOU AS WELL TO, TO GET OUT THERE.

UM, LASTLY, MAYBE NOT LASTLY IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING.

UH, BUT, UH, NOVEMBER, THE NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING IS, UH, HAS A TUESDAY OF COURSE, BUT THAT'S ALSO ELECTION DAY.

SO, UM, AS, UH, THE ELECTIONS WILL BE GOING LEADING UP TO THAT POINT AND HAVING THE, UH, ALL THE VOTING MACHINES BACK HERE IN THE FALCON ROOM, UM, WE NEED TO, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA PUT IT ON A WIN THAT THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY, THE DAY AFTER NOVEMBER THE NINTH, IF, BUT THAT MAY CHANGE IF WE NEED TO WIGGLE, MOVE THAT AROUND A LITTLE BIT, IF THERE, IF THERE'S PROBLEMS. SO IT'S GONNA HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK SOMETHING OUT.

SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I'M KIND OF AMBUSHING YOU, BUT, OKAY.

UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S ALL I GOT.

ITEM NUMBER 12, ADJOURNMENT.

UM, YES MA'AM.

SHOULD WE TAKE OUR RECESS? NO.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

SO WE JUST LOOKED, FOUND THE CODE.

UH, WE MISSTATED, UM, IF THERE ARE FOUR SEATED MEMBERS PRESENT AND ONLY IT REQUIRES A THREE ONE VOTE.

SO Y'ALL VOTED YOUR, YOUR VOTE WAS GOOD, BUT THEN YOU TABLED THE ITEM FOR THE, SO IT NEEDS TO BE RECALLED AND CLARIFIED THAT THE ITEM CAN MOVE FORWARD.

POINT OF WATER.

WOULD THAT TURN YOUR MIC ON? UH, POINT OF WATER, UM, SINCE THIS IS A RESULT OF A VOTE AND NOT NECESSARILY THE MAIN MOTION ITSELF WOULD BE, HAVE TO RECALL IT.

YOU JUST, I JUST NEED YOU TO ANNOUNCE IN THE MEETING OKAY.

THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR, INCORRECT ERROR ANNOUNCE IN THE NEXT MEETING.

NO, PLEASE.

JUST, OH, IN THIS MEETING.

UM, SO THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE, IN THE, IN THESE STATED, UM, YES.

THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE STATEMENT AFTER THE VOTE.

SO, UM, NOW DO WE RE-VOTE OR DO WE JUST CLARIFY? CLARIFY THAT IT WAS A THREE ONE VOTE AND THREE ONE PASSES.

CORRECT.

SO ITEM, IT WAS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT A PASSES WITH A THREE ONE VOTE.

CORRECT.

ARE WE READY FOR ITEM 12? OKAY.

ITEM 12, ADJOURNMENT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SECOND, MINUTE.

SECOND.