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ALL[I. Call Meeting to Order]
RIGHT.THE TIME IS 7:45 PM IT IS MONDAY, FEBRUARY, WE'LL SAY 13TH
UH, AND I'M GONNA CALL THIS, UH, SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO ORDER WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MITCHELL.
LET'S LET THE RECORD SHOW COUNCIL.
HEISER IS PRESENT AS WELL, ALTHOUGH TARDY.
AND, UH, UH, THIS IS ALSO A WORKSHOP, A JOINT WORKSHOP.
SO WE'RE GONNA LET P AND Z NOW CALL THEIR ROLE IN GAVE AS WELL.
TODAY IS MONDAY, UH, FEBRUARY 13TH.
AND I'D LIKE TO CALL US PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? DELORE HERE.
UH, NEXT UP IS CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.
THIS WILL BE FOR P AND Z AND FOR CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD, UH, AND SPEAK DURING THE CITIZEN COMMENTS PERIOD? SEEING NONE.
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A facilitated discussion between the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council focusing on key questions for policymaking and governance building on the information shared during preceding public open house. Specific polling questions on options for closing the fiscal gap, housing affordability, and intensity of uses will be asked. Verdunity will facilitate the dialogue and gather responses from these groups to inform the plan’s contents.
]IS GENERAL DISCUSSION, FACILITATED DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF COUNCIL, FOCUSING ON KEY QUESTIONS FOR POLICY MAKING AND GOVERNANCE.UH, UH, BUILDING ON THE INFORMATION CHAIR DURING THE PROCEEDING.
PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE SPECIFIC POLLING QUESTIONS ON, UH, OPTIONS FOR CLOSING A FISCAL GAP.
HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND INTENSITY OF USES WILL BE ASKED.
VIRGINITY WILL FACILITATE THE DIALOGUE AND GATHER RESPONSES FROM THESE GROUPS TO INFORM THE PLANS CONTENT.
UM, AJ FAVER WITH VIRGINITY FOR THE RECORD.
UM, KEVIN SHEPHERD, OUR CEO, IS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE AND WILL BOTH BE SORT OF TAG TEAMING AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT.
WE THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENDANCE.
UH, WE DO WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP MOVING AND OF COURSE, STAY WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED SO THAT WE CAN GET YOU ALL ON WITH YOUR EVENINGS.
SO, A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT IS BUILD ON WHAT YOU'VE RECENTLY SEEN IN THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION PRESENTATION THAT KEVIN GAVE A FEW MOMENTS AGO, UH, FOR THE FIRST 90 MINUTES OF OUR TIME TOGETHER TONIGHT.
UH, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT AT THE END OF THAT CONVERSATION, HE ENDED WITH THREE DIFFERENT TAKEAWAYS THAT ARE TAKEAWAYS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO YOUR FISCAL ANALYSIS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO, AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASES OF PUTTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOGETHER, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOME HIGH LEVEL, UM, CONSENSUS FROM YOU ALL AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THOSE TAKEAWAYS.
SO I KNOW THAT TO BUILD ON SOME OF HIS COMMENTS FROM EARLIER, THESE ARE WEIGHTY ISSUES AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SOLVE, SOLVE THEM ALL TONIGHT FOR, FOR SURE.
SO, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT SITUATIONS IN MIND WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, AND SO WE ASK YOU TO JUST CONTINUE TO THINK OF THESE AS VERY HIGH LEVEL CONVERSATIONS.
UM, AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ENGAGEMENT FOR A A PLANNING EFFORT LIKE THIS, WE ARE VERY PURPOSEFUL IN PUTTING TOGETHER SURVEY QUESTIONS THAT POINT US IN THE DIRECTION ON THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU ALL AS THE CLIENT HAVE WORKED OUT WITH US.
AND SO THESE ARE POINTED QUESTIONS, UM, THAT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR TAKE ON EACH OF THOSE THREE TAKEAWAYS.
SO THE SETUP THAT WE'LL HAVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SESSION TONIGHT IS WITH EACH TAKEAWAY, KEVIN'S GOING TO COME UP AND HE'S GOING TO KIND OF TEE UP THAT CONVERSATION.
WE'LL START WITH TAKEAWAY ONE HERE IN A MOMENT AFTER HE'S GIVEN YOU SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS TO KIND OF GET YOU READY FOR THAT CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL BE ASKING YOU ON EACH OF THESE TAKEAWAYS.
AND WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO ACTUALLY USE YOUR CELL PHONES THIS EVENING TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE USING AN INSTANT POLLING SOFTWARE THAT WILL SHOW US RESPONSES.
AND SO ON THE TABLE, THEY'RE AROUND YOU.
UH, YOU'LL SEE SOME SHEETS OF PAPER THAT HAVE A URL AND A CODE FOR THAT SURVEY.
AND SO YOU MIGHT GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR CELL PHONES OUT AND START QUEUING THAT UP.
WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S TIME TO VOTE ON EACH OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
THEY'RE REALLY JUST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE AS A BASELINE ON EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS. UM, AFTER EACH QUESTION, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION, TRY TO UNDERSTAND SOME KEY TAKEAWAYS, UM, THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FROM YOU.
AND YOUR VANTAGE POINT ON THOSE QUESTIONS AS YOU'RE USING YOUR CELL PHONES, UH, SHOULD COME UP FAIRLY EASILY FOR YOU.
WE DO HAVE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS HERE IN THE ROOM THAT CAN HELP YOU.
IF YOU RUN INTO ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, JUST LET US KNOW.
WE'LL HAVE ONE OF THEM COME OVER AND HELP YOU.
AFTER YOU ANSWER EACH QUESTION, YOU'LL SEE A BUTTON AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN THAT SAYS GO TO NEXT SLIDE, AND WE'LL ASK YOU TO TOUCH THAT BUTTON AFTER YOU'VE ANSWERED EACH QUESTION.
SO WE'LL GET READY TO START THOSE SURVEY QUESTIONS IN JUST A MOMENT.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND HAND IT OFF TO KEVIN, UM, TO SORT OF TEE UP THIS FIRST DISCUSSION.
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THAT'S BASED ON TAKEAWAY ONE FROM THE PRESENTATION.IT DOES SAY THAT VOTING IS CLOSED, CORRECT? IT WON'T OPEN UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET TO THAT FILE.
UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL, UH, PLAN COMMISSION.
UM, I'M GONNA KEEP THESE RELATIVELY BRIEF.
UM, THE FIRST TAKEAWAY IS YOU, YOU HEARD, I THINK EVERYBODY SAW THE PRESENTATION, RIGHT? THAT WAS JUST DONE MOST OF YOU.
UM, SO THE FIRST TAKEAWAY, THIS IDEA OF DEVELOPMENT REVENUE THAT YOU NEED TO REPLACE.
SO YOU HAVE TO CAPTURE RE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR TWO THINGS.
YOU'VE GOTTA CLOSE THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THE, THE REVENUE YOU'RE GETTING FROM DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THAT OVER TIME.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT CAN COVER THOSE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, BASICALLY THE 30 30 SPLIT OR THE 50 50 SPLIT BETWEEN PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX.
AGAIN, IF, IF WE LOOK AT IT JUST LONGER TERM, WE TRY TO TO ENCOURAGE A 50% GOAL FOR, FOR PROPERTY TAX.
IF YOU CAN GET 50% OF YOUR GENERAL FUND FROM PROPERTY TAX, THAT GETS YOU REALLY RESILIENT IN TERMS OF SALES TAX AND OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT ASSUMPTION WOULD MEAN THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY TAKING ALL OF THAT 20% THAT'S GOING TO DEVELOP OR COMING FROM DEVELOPMENT FEES RIGHT NOW AND REPLACING THAT WITH PROPERTY TAX.
UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT 2000 PER ACRE TARGET NUMBER CAME FROM EARLIER.
IT ASSUMES THAT 50% OF YOUR GENERAL FUND COMES FROM PROPERTY TAX, UM, WHICH MAY NOT BE THE CASE HERE.
SO TO, TO, JUST TO RECAP THE OPTIONS THAT WE WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU CAN GET THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM SALES TAX OR FROM PROPERTY TAX.
UM, THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S OTHER REVENUE, THERE'S OTHER TAXES OR STREET FEES OR, OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER AS WELL.
BUT IF YOU SAY SALES TAX, IF YOU SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY MORE BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY TAX, WE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAT WE HAVE, WE WANT TO CLOSE THAT GAP WITH SALES TAX, THEN IT'S GONNA LEAD TO THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL DO YOU WANT IT AND WHERE DO YOU WANT IT SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT REVENUE.
IF YOU SAY WE WANT PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, THEN THERE'S REALLY TWO CHOICES THERE.
THERE'S THE TAX RATE OR THERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN DOING A HIGHER VALUE PER ACRE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT CAN GET YOU MORE TAX REVENUE WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO CHANGE THE TAX RATE.
UM, COULD BE SOME COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE, BUT FOR TONIGHT, WHAT AJ'S GONNA FOCUS ON IS WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR KIND OF A PRIORITY AND, AND SOME THOUGHTS ON EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF, THAT THAT'S GONNA INFORM THE GROWTH STRATEGY IN THE FUTURE LANDING USE MAP, UM, SOME AS AS WELL.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, UM, WHERE I WANTED TO START THAT ONE AND THEN KIND OF, UM, KICK IT OVER TO, TO AJ TO RUN THE FIRST POLL.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THEM BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE QUESTION, OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE THREE SOURCES BEFORE WE KIND OF GO INTO A OKAY, LET'S TRY THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE 10 VOTES ON EACH OF THESE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DEVELOPMENT FEES AND INCREASED TAX REVENUE FROM GROWTH ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE, WHAT METHOD DO YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE IN REPLACING IT? GREAT.
SO WE HAVE ANSWERS COMING IN AND WE'LL GIVE IT A FEW MINUTES.
WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE SOME MUSIC TO PLAY DURING THIS PART.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO.
WHAT IS, UH, INCREASING PROPERTY TAX REVENUES? I MEAN, IS THAT CRE CREATING MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLECT OR TO, TO COLLECT TAX AND TO HEIGHTENED REVENUE? YES.
SO, SO ONE, ONE IS SALES TAX, ONE IS THE TAX RATE, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS INCREASING THE TAX REVENUE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS VOTING ON THAT ONE DOWN THE MIDDLE?
SO WE'VE STILL MADE PROGRESS
SO LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE.
WE'VE TRIED TO STRUCTURE THIS IN A WAY WHERE AFTER EACH ANSWER WE CAN, WE CAN DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE I, I'M, I THINK YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WHENEVER THE STAFF IS READY TO BRING YOU SOMETHING FOR ADOPTION, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL IN ADOPTING IT, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT IT FALLS IN LINE WITH SOME OF YOUR PREFERENCES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE TONIGHT.
SO SPLIT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE ON INCREASING PROPERTY TAX REVENUES AND INCREASING SALES TAX REVENUES.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT, UH, VOTED FOR PROPERTY TAX REVENUES, UH, ANY COMMENTS ON WHY THAT WAS THE OPTION THAT YOU CHOSE OR WHY THAT SOUNDED LIKE THE MOST EFFECTIVE OPTION? WOULD ANYBODY CARE TO SHARE ABOUT THAT? PLEASE? I DON'T THINK IT'S BLACK OR WHITE.
I KNOW YOU GIVE US THREE OPTIONS, WE CAN ONLY PICK ONE.
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IF YOU NEED TO HEDGE ON BOTH SIDES, BECAUSE THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S AN INCREASE IN SUPPLY, THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE DEMAND.AND OPOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT NOW WITH GROWTH, IS PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE SALES TAX TO BE COLLECTED BY BRINGING IN NEW BUSINESSES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO THINGS I DON'T THINK CAN BE SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER.
THAT, UM, IF I COULD HAVE RESPONDED WITH BOTH, I WOULD'VE OKAY.
UNDERSTAND AND, AND UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA FORCE YOU TO MAKE SOME HARD CHOICES TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE WE WANNA SEE YOUR INITIAL INCLINATIONS.
UH, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG.
AS KEVIN MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION EARLIER, SOME OF THIS IS VARYING DEGREES OF THESE THINGS AND IT'S IDENTIFYING WHERE ARE THE RIGHT PLACES IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT SHOWS, UH, INCREASING SALES TAX REVENUES AS YOUR ANSWER, UM, WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE? IS THAT STEEPED IN WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING ABOUT RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES AND YOU WANT TO SEE THOSE INCREASED? DID THAT LEAD YOU TO ANSWER MORE IN THAT DIRECTION, PLEASE? UM, MY GENERAL HOPE IS THAT THE VIBE WILL RING A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW LIKE DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM.
AND THAT WILL ALSO THERE INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO YOU'RE ABLE TO LIKE KIND OF GET A, A GOOD BALANCE OF BOTH.
UM, BUT WHAT I NEVER WANNA SEE IS THERE TO BE A DEPENDENCE ON PROPERTY TAX AS FAR AS HOMEOWNERS.
AND YOU, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A DIVISION OF PROPERTY TAX.
SO IF I HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PUTTING THAT TAX BURDEN UPON SOMEBODY WHO OWNS HOMES OR SALES TAX, IT, IT WOULD BE THE SALES TAX.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THIS FACTORS INTO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING WITH THE PLAN.
SO BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR INCREASING SALES TAX REVENUES, ONE WAY YOU MIGHT SEE THIS, UH, REFLECTED IN THE PLAN THAT YOU GET LATER IS THAT WE MAY LOOK AT YOUR LAND USE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR MORE RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP BOLSTER THIS CHOICE.
SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU MIGHT SEE THIS FACTOR INTO THE RESULTS LATER.
I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU WERE GONNA SAY.
I WAS JUST THINKING MOST OF THE SALES TAXES WILL COME FROM PROBABLY QUALITY OF LIFE.
IF I WANNA, IF I WANNA LIKE LIVE HERE, I'M PAYING MY TAXES, I WANNA SPEND MY MONEY, UM, PURCHASING GOODS OR SERVICES IN THE AREA MM-HMM.
AND THE LEVERAGE ENOUGH, WHAT DANIELLA SAYS, AS WE GROW AS A COMMUNITY, THERE'S MORE AND MORE INCLINATION TO SPEND WITHIN YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, I GO TO COSTCO DOWN ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COSTCO SOON.
SO YES, WE EXACTLY
SO, SO AGAIN, THE MENTALITY THAT WE, WE SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE IS THAT YES, WE ARE RESIDENTS, THIS IS TAXPAYERS, WE ARE ALSO CONSUMERS.
I'VE SAID TO MANY TIMES BEFORE, SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW IS STANDING A LINE AT STARBUCKS.
SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW IS PUMP THE GAS AT BREAD BASKET MM-HMM.
BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO BE TOO DEPENDENT ON IT TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, THAT'S ALL WHAT WE HAVE.
FOR OUR GENERAL FUND, EXACTLY WHAT HE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO WHERE WE'RE NOT ALWAYS DEPENDING ON IT FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH.
WE CAN PUT SOME OF THAT ASIDE, USE IT FOR, FOR THE GROWTH, WHATEVER, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOO DEPENDENT ON THAT.
SO, SO TO TO KEVIN'S POINT EARLIER IN KIND OF UNITING THAT WITH WHAT YOU SAID THAT IS RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IN, IN VOLATILE TIMES, UM, WHERE THINGS ARE A LITTLE UNPREDICTABLE.
WHICH OF THESE REVENUE SOURCES REMAIN STEADY? AND THAT'S PROPERTY TAX.
THE SALES TAX IS GONNA FLUCTUATE.
NOW GRANTED, UM, OFTENTIMES THERE ARE ENOUGH KEY INDICATORS NOW THAT WE CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE FLUCTUATIONS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN.
BUT I THINK ONE THING WE ALL LEARNED IN COVID, WE SAW THAT MANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORKED WITH THAT HAD A HIGHER RELIANCE ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX RATE, WEATHERED THAT STORM A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IT'S GONNA BE A CAREFUL BALANCE.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, THE 50 50 SPLIT SHOWS THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A BALANCE THAT WORKS FOR YOU ALL.
UM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THOSE SALES TAX REVENUES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, EVERYONE IS ALWAYS SPENDING, UM, BUT EARLIER A COUPLE OF YOUR RESIDENTS TALKED ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE BEING SO IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO GUIDE YOU TO IS A RATIO THAT, UM, IS NOT SO OVERLY DEPENDENT TO YOUR POINT ON SALES TAX, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE THINGS BECAUSE THE SALES TAX IS COVERING ALL THE NUTS AND BOLTS AND THE, THE THINGS THAT, UM, ARE REALLY CONSIDERED NON-NEGOTIABLES BY YOUR CITIZENS AND YOUR SALES TAX CAN ACTUALLY GO TOWARDS SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE MORE QUALITY OF LIFE, THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT WATER, WASTEWATER, PUBLIC SAFETY THINGS, THE, THE FLUFFY THINGS, THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY LIKE THAT, THAT HELP US CHOOSE WHERE TO LIVE.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOME GOOD DIALOGUE THAT GIVES US SOME GOOD DIRECTION THAT WE NEED, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
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SO I'M GONNA MOVE US ON TO, UM, SO I, I JUST WANT TO PLEASE, I'M SORRY, TWO THINGS REAL QUICK.JUST YES, AS FAR AS SOME HISTORY GOES, CUZ YOU, YOU'RE, YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT OF THE PANDEMIC MM-HMM.
SO IN 2020 THE ECONOMY SORT OF STOPPED AND, AND CITY OF KYLE DIDN'T REALLY SEE, UH, A BIG IMPACT ON OUR SALES TAX REVENUES, BUT THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS SOLD THEIR SALES TAX REVENUES, UH, PLUMMET BY 25% IN ONE YEAR BECAUSE THEY'VE DERIVED SO MUCH OF THEIR INCOME FROM THE OUTLET MALLS, WHICH GOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON SAN MARCOS, BUT THE OTHER BIG HUGE THING THAT HAPPENED IN SAN MARCOS A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT WAS A CHANGE IN THE, THE LAW.
UH, THE STATE MADE IT SO THAT IF YOU ARE PURCHASING A, UH, UH, UH, AN ONLINE PRODUCT, YOU PAY THE SALES TAXES REMITTED TO THE CITY IN WHICH THE, THE CONSUMER WHO BUYS IT IS AS OPPOSED TO WHERE IT ORIGINATED.
AND THEY HAD THE BEST BUY CALL CENTER, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY ROUTING AND SOME OF THE, AND AMAZON AND A COUPLE OF THOSE PLACES WERE ORIGINALLY ROUTING TONS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF SALES TAX.
AND IF THEY WERE RELYING ON THAT ONE VOTE OF THE LEGISLATURE JUST CUT AWAY MULTIPLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF VALUE RIGHT OFF THEIR BUDGET.
SO THAT'S THE VOLATILITY THAT SALES EXCELLENT CAN, CAN PRODUCE.
AND SO OUR SALES TAX HAVE BEEN JUST, I MEAN, 15 MILLION WHEN I STARTED HERE, IT WAS EIGHT MM-HMM.
SO I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD.
BUT IF YOU ARE OVERRELIANT AND IT'S LIKE WITHIN THE SALES TAX, UH, OR IS IT SOME ONE BIG PROVIDER OR SOME ONE BIG, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WILL, IF IS, IS RISKY, LIKE THE OUTLET MALL OR THE BEST BUY CALL CENTER OR IS IT SORT OF SPREAD OUT OVER A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES MM-HMM.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER.
THOSE ARE ALSO GOOD POINTS TO INFORM FEATURE LAND USE PLAN AS WELL.
TO YOUR POINT, NOT ALL RETAILS CREATED EQUAL EITHER.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, NUANCE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT.
THAT GOES BACK TO THE CONSUMER PART.
WHAT IS IT THAT THE NECESSITIES THAT WE AS A CITY, THE SERVICES AND PRODUCTS THAT WE NEED OR THAT WE, WE PURCHASED, LIKE THE MAYOR MITCHELL'S POINT WAS THOSE WERE ALL OUTLET CENTERS, THOSE WERE ALL DISTRIBUTION AREAS, BUT SPREADING IT ALL OUT, BRINGING IN BUSINESSES AND COMPANIES, SPREADING IT ALL OUT WILL HELP BENEFIT THAT.
SO ANOTHER THING JUST TO, TO THINK ABOUT, JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE, UM, TO REINFORCE IT.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF THIS, BUT JUST THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HOW COMMERCIAL WORKS AND YOU NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL TO GET THAT COMMERCIAL RIGHT.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT FORMULAS FOR THAT BASED ON THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
SOME HAVE A BIGGER TRADE AREA AND WE'LL PULL THAT POPULATION FROM A LARGER AREA LIKE A COSTCO OR, OR BIG BOX.
SOME OF THOSE, THE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, THE SMALLER YOU GO, THE MORE DEPENDENT THEY ARE ON WALKABLE TRAFFIC OR FOR LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT COVID SHOWED AND THAT WE'RE SEEING JUST POST COVID AGAIN, IS THE KIND OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THERE'S MORE INTEREST, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD THAT COFFEE SHOP LIKE WALKABLE DISTANCE FROM OUR, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR HOME WHERE SOMETHING LIKE SOMEWHERE LIKE THE MICRO COMMERCIAL, BUT WHERE DO YOU PUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU PUT THAT? HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE THAT INTO, INTO SOME OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS? SO THAT SALES TAX, LIKE AJ SAID, IT'S, IT CAN SCALE TO REALLY BIG STUFF THAT IT'S BIG NUMBERS, BUT IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU BALANCE THAT WITH A LOT OF OTHER BUSINESSES AGAIN, SO THAT IF THE WAY YOU SHIELD YOURSELF AGAINST THAT VOLATILITY IS JUST MORE BUSINESSES OF DIFFERENT TYPES AND SIZES.
SO YOU DON'T WANT ANY LEGISLATION TO KNOCK YOU OUT.
YOU DON'T WANT ANY CERTAIN GEOGRAPHY TO KNOCK YOU OUT.
YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT STUFF SPREAD OUT OF DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES, UM, SO THAT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS, HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COVID.
BUT IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT, UM, THAT DIFFERENT MIX TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
SO RESIDENTIAL, I'M NOT, ONE MORE THING, I APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS TO COUNCILMAN FLORES KALE'S POINT ABOUT SHE DOESN'T WANT, SHE DIDN'T WANT THE BURDEN TO BE ON THE HOMEOWNERS.
SO LIKE IF YOU GO BACK 10 YEARS AGO IN THE HISTORY OF CITY OF KYLE, WE WERE 95% SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS THE ONLY SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
SO THAT NUMBER HAS COME DOWN DRAMATICALLY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND A LOT OF IT IS BY DESIGN, BUT THAT'S WHERE COMMERCIAL, UH, REAL ESTATE IS VERY VALUABLE CUZ OF THE VALUE THAT IT BRINGS IN PROPERTY TAXES PER ACRE, UH, AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY AND TOWN HOMES AND VARIOUS OTHER KINDS.
I THINK THAT CREATES THE RESILIENCY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEE.
SO THAT IS THE PURSUIT AT LEAST.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO WRAP IT UP.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO TAKEAWAY TO YOU, WE STILL HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS TO GO THROUGH.
SO I'M GONNA ASK KEVIN TO KIND OF TEE THIS ONE UP FOR YOU.
KEEP THIS ONE PRETTY QUICK TOO.
SO THIS ONE GETS AT, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT A MODEL AND WE SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THE STREETS? UM, IF WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, YOU'VE GOT 400, 500, $600,000 HOMES ON SMALL LOTS IT PENCILS.
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NOT AFFORDABLE TO EVERYBODY.SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HERE IS GETTING IT, NOT NECESSARILY THE, CAN THE CITY PAY THE BILLS, BUT CAN THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE AFFORD TO STAY HERE OR MOVE HERE? SO THINK ABOUT THIS IN TWO WAYS.
YOU CONTINUE AS IS YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE THE WAY THAT WE ARE.
UM, WE KNOW THAT VALUES ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO GO UP.
IF YOU DON'T BUILD THAT MIX OF HOUSING, IT'S GONNA DRIVE THE VALUES OF SINGLE FAMILY UP.
UM, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THAT'S YOUR PERIOD.
IF YOU DO WANT TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR MORE PEOPLE, WHAT ARE THOSE PRICE POINTS? WHAT DOES THAT HOUSING LOOK LIKE? UM, AND AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S OPTIONS.
IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A, A LITTLE INTERESTING TWIST HERE IN KYLE WITH HAVING A 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOME GOING FOR 400 GRAND.
THAT'S MOST PLACES WE WOULD SAY DOWNSIZE THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, A 200,000 PRICE POINT OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN ANYTHING UNDER 200 YOU'RE LOOKING AT MISSING MENTAL HOUSING.
BUT, BUT HERE I THINK YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU GOTTA OPEN UP THAT WHOLE SPECTRUM OF, OF HOUSING, HOUSING CHOICES AND, AND THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
THESE ARE GONNA SEEM VERY DIFFICULT AND, AND YOU'RE NOT BEHOLDEN TO ANYTHING.
WE JUST WANNA GET KIND OF YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS AND REACTIONS.
SO IN DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY, UM, WHAT WE'VE FOUND IN IN THE STATISTICS IS ABOUT 27% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE KYLE SAYS CITIZENS, UM, MAKE LESS THAN $50,000 A YEAR.
SO THE GENERAL RULE OF SOME WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOUSE PRICES IS THAT THEY ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE AFFORDABLE OR WITHIN REACH.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S WIDELY HELD IN THE BANKING COMMUNITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY LOOK AT A HOME PRICE THAT'S TWO AND A HALF PERCENT TIMES YOUR ANIMAL SALARY.
SO IF WE TOOK THAT FORMULA, WHICH WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEBATE, BUT JUST TO USE IT TO ILLUSTRATE A POINT, THIS ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT 27% OF YOUR RESIDENTS BASED ON THAT AFFORDABILITY FORMULA, COULD AFFORD A HOME PRICED AT OR BELOW $125,000.
OKAY? SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISTANCE THERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA CLOSE IT TONIGHT, BUT JUST BASED ON THAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL HOME INVENTORY IN KYLE DO YOU BELIEVE SHOULD BE PRICED AT OR BELOW $125,000 A YEAR? NOW WE'VE GIVEN YOU SEVERAL DIFFERENT INTERVALS HERE.
SOME OF THOSE INTERVALS ARE BELOW THAT 27%, SOME OF THEM ARE ABOVE THAT 27%.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GET A FEEL FOR HERE IS SORT OF YOUR OFF THE CUFF KNEE JERK REACTION TO WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT TO YOUR HOUSING INVENTORY.
SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A FEW MOMENTS TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT SURVEY QUESTION ON YOUR PHONE.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK FOR A MINUTE ABOUT RENTAL VALUES.
OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF VOTES COMING IN.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT SIX VOTES, WE'RE WAITING ON FOUR MORE.
I FEEL LIKE I'M IN A BASEBALL GAME WATCHING ONE OF THOSE
OKAY? SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VARIATION HERE.
UM, WHICH IN ITSELF IS USEFUL.
SO THESE THINGS ARE ALL, THERE'S ALWAYS MEANING BEHIND ALL OF THESE THINGS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT HALF OF YOU ARE SAYING AROUND THAT 21 TO 30% MARK IS, IS WHAT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE PROBABLY THINKING, OKAY, GREAT, BUT HOW DO YOU EVEN MAKE SURE THAT HOMES COME IN AT THAT PRICE STACK? SO ONE OF THE POINTS THAT KEVIN'S ALREADY MADE TO YOU TONIGHT AND THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PLANNING PROCESS IS THE ROLE OF DIVERSITY OF OFFERINGS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS YOU GET THERE.
IT'S NOT THAT ANY OF US HAVE THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THE WAND AND MAKE THAT $400,000 HOUSE, HE JUST TALKED ABOUT PLUMMET TO A $150,000 PRIZE.
THAT'S JUST NOT WITHIN ANY OF OUR REACHES.
OR WE'D PROBABLY BE APPLYING THAT TRADE SOMEWHERE.
UM, BUT THIS DOES BRING A POINT THAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT AND IT LOOKS LIKE GENERALLY, UM, AMONGST THIS GROUP, THERE IS A TOLERANCE FOR SOME DIVERSITY IN, IN HOUSING OFFERINGS.
THAT'S A GOOD P PIECE OF DIRECTION AND GIVES US A LITTLE BIT TO RUN WITH.
SO LET'S TURN THIS KIND OF IN A DIFFERENT VIEW AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT FROM THE RENTAL SIDE.
SO JUST LIKE WITH, UM, LOOKING AT AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING, THERE IS A SIMILAR RULE OF THUMB FOR RENT AND THAT IS THAT RENT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 30% OF YOUR MONTHLY INCOME IS THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB.
SO BASED ON WHAT WE JUST SHARED ABOUT THAT 27% COMPONENT OF YOUR POPULATION IN KYLE, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THAT SUBGROUP OF RESIDENTS, UM, CAN AFFORD TO RENT HOUSING THAT'S PRICED AT OR BELOW 1250 A MONTH.
SO SIMILAR QUESTION TO YOU, SAME INTERVALS BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF RENTAL INVENTORY, AGAIN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT THIS COULD TAKE MANY DIFFERENT FORMS BESIDES SINGLE FAMILY, UM, WHAT ALLOCATION DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT FOR TRYING TO HIT THAT PRICE POINT FOR THAT PORTION OF YOUR POPULATION? OKAY, WE GOT
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VOTES COMING IN ALREADY.LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, IS THERE ANY SORT OF, WE NEED ABOUT FIVE MORE STIPULATION ON WHAT IS THIS FOR? LIKE ONE BEDROOM, TWO, LIKE NO, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TALKING BIG PICTURE AT THE MOMENT.
THIS WILL NEED TO FACTOR IN FOR ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT U UNITS.
LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TWO MORE VOTES.
OKAY, SO SIMILAR TO THE LAST QUESTION.
LOOKS LIKE WE, UM, HAVE A GROUP THAT KIND OF FALLS ALL ALONG THAT SPECTRUM.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST SUPPORT THERE IS 11 TO 20% FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY THE 21 TO 30%.
SO THAT ALSO GIVES US, UM, AN AREA TO KIND OF FOCUS ON.
NOW, TO YOUR POINT JUST A MOMENT AGO ABOUT DIFFERENT, UM, LEVELS AND DIFFERENT SIZES OF RENTAL PROPERTIES, THAT AGAIN, IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT AREA WHERE WE BUILD IN, UM, DIVERSITY IN THOSE OFFERINGS AND UNDERSTAND.
I I DO WANNA MAKE A QUICK POINT, UM, ABOUT THE ROLE OF THIS PLAN IN DOING THAT AND, AND WHERE YOU'LL ALSO HAVE OTHER TOOLS THAT YOU'LL NEED TO USE.
SO THE ROLE IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR YOU ALL IS REALLY SETTING THAT VISION AND CAPTURING THAT FOR POSTERITY.
AND THEN THE TOOLS THAT YOUR STAFF HAS TO USE AND YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS ON, LIKE YOUR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CODES ARE WHERE YOU REALLY START TO, TO GET AT THIS.
SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE THE BIG IDEAS AND SET THE STAGE AND CAST THAT VISION SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT CODE UPDATES IN THE FUTURE, YOU'RE CALIBRATING THOSE TOOLS TO MATCH THE VISION THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, UH, TO CAST.
UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE I ANSWERED THAT IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE $1,200, UH, HOUSE PEOPLE THAT CAN BUY HOUSES OR THE $125,000 HOUSES AND THEN, AND THEN THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE I GUESS I WAS KIND OF MIXING THEM TOGETHER, LUMPING IT ALL TOGETHER AND THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE WERE COMING AT THE QUESTION.
WE'LL NEED TO GET INTO SOME MORE FINE TUNING OF THIS INFORMATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE FINAL PRODUCT THAT COMES TO YOU, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS COMPONENT IS WE'LL REALLY START BREAKING DOWN DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS, UM, AND HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF THOSE, HOW YOUR CODES NEED TO ENABLE THOSE, UM, WHAT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THEM ARE.
AND THEN PROVIDING YOU WITH GUIDANCE ON WHERE PLACEMENT MAKES SENSE FOR THOSE.
SO YOU, YOU APPROACHED IT EXACTLY AS WE INTENDED YOU TO.
UM, AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME CHOICES, SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW TO APPLY THOSE CHOICES.
AND THEN AS YOU'RE HAVING THESE ZONING DISCUSSIONS ON INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS, UM, TO APPOINT SOMEONE MADE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, I THINK IT WAS, YOU MADE THIS POINT EARLIER ABOUT AS YOU'RE HAVING THINGS COME TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION, YOU NEED TO START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS DIFFERENTLY.
AND THIS WILL BE PART OF, OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IS HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
SO CURIOUS, WAS ANYONE SURPRISED BY THAT FIGURE THAT ALMOST A THIRD OF YOUR RESIDENTS WERE MAKING $50,000 OR LESS A YEAR? DID THAT SHOCK ANYBODY? MM-HMM.
THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY GENERALLY EXPECTED, OKAY? MM-HMM.
SO BASED ON YOUR VANTAGE POINTS AS THE P AND Z AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, CURIOUS, WE HAVE JUST A COUPLE MORE MINUTES BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SORT OF GUIDANCE, UM, OR ADVICE THAT YOU WOULD ASK US TO CONSIDER AS WE START TRYING TO PREPARE THESE THINGS TO BRING TO YOU IN A PLAN FORM? ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE? ANY FREQUENT THINGS THAT YOU HEAR FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF? I THINK IT'S JUST THE AFFORDABILITY OKAY.
UH, BUT THEN AGAIN, THE DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN THE HOME BUILDERS THEMSELVES AT WHAT PRICE POINT ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? FOR THESE PEOPLE TO AFFORD IT'S ONE.
RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY THE 80,000 HOUSEHOLD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FOR, FOR THE FAMILY ITSELF OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A HUNDRED, BUT STILL, UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS I GUESS WE'VE GOTTA REALLY CONSIDER IS THAT WHO IS COMING IN, WHAT TYPE OF, AGAIN, AS A CONSUMER, AS A HOME BUYER, WHAT KIND OF PRODUCT ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE AT THAT, AT THAT PRICE MM-HMM.
CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING ALSO LOW END AS WELL.
THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR THE HOMEOWNER LATER ON.
AND SO THE, THE QUESTION WILL ALSO BE WHAT KINDS OF THAT HOUSING DO YOU ALLOW AND IF YOU NEED ROOM FOR IN YOUR CODES.
AND SO THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO TAKE AWAY THREE.
WE HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS IN THIS ONE, UM, THAT I'LL ASK KEVIN TO STEP UP AND TEE UP AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN THE NEXT FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
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THIS ONE GETS BACK AT THAT GROWTH MANAGEMENT.SO WHERE, WHEN, HOW ARE YOU GONNA GROW? UM, IF YOU SAY WE WANT TO BE FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE, WE'LL DEFINE WHAT THAT IS IN TERMS OF THE MATH AND YOUR COSTS AND ALL OF IT, ALL OF THAT.
UM, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE DO WE PUT THE GROWTH, SO WE LOOK AT 10,000 OR 20,000 OR WHATEVER YOUR BUILD OUT POPULATION, UM, IS, AND WE LOOK AT WHERE TO PUT THOSE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
UM, THERE'S TWO, TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.
ONE, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER IS LOCATION.
SO IF YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE PUTTING MORE OF THOSE PEOPLE INTO EXISTING AREAS WITH EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND VACANT LOTS, UM, IF YOU WANT TO, THERE'S USUALLY TWO LEVELS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THERE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS TO, TO PUT INFILL ON VACANT LOTS.
THAT'S THE FIRST BULLET UNDER LOCATION.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS LOOK AT ANYWHERE THAT YOU HAVE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO YOUR MAJOR ROADWAYS, YOUR MAJOR WATER, SEWER, SEWER SHEDS, ANYWHERE THAT YOU HAVE THE EXISTING SEWER TRUNK LINES THAT HAS UNDEVELOPED LAND, YOU WANT TO MAXIMIZE THAT BEFORE YOU GO BUILD A NEW TRUNK LINE OR A NEW PUMP STATION OR PRESSURE PRESSURES ON ANY OF THAT STUFF.
SO IT MAXIMIZE WHAT YOU HAVE FIRST BEFORE YOU BUILD NEW.
UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU BUILD, THIS GETS INTO THE PATTERN QUESTION OF WHAT DO YOU BUILD? ARE YOU BUILDING IT IN A WAY THAT'S ADDRESSES THE AFFORDABILITY QUESTION? ARE YOU BUILDING IT IN A WAY THAT ADDRESSES THE VALUE PER ACRE QUESTION? ARE YOU BUILDING IT IN A WAY, UM, THAT ADDRESSES THE SALES TAX QUESTION? SO THERE'S DIFFERENT, WE HAVE A LOT MORE WAYS WE CAN BUILD PLACES NOW IN TERMS OF MIX OF USES AND DIFFERENT SCALES.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO KIND OF KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE ON THE TO, TO FRAME THIS.
ANOTHER WAY IT WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT MORE DENSITY IN YOUR DOWNTOWN? DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO ADD MORE PEOPLE AND KIND OF THICKEN UP YOUR CORE? UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, IF SOMEONE WANTS THE HIGHER DENSITY, MORE COMPACT, COMPACT, WALKABLE COMPONENT, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT IN THE CORE OF KYLE.
UM, OR DO YOU WANT TO BUILD MORE NEWER MIXED USE COMPACT NODES? MAYBE IT'S AROUND THE VIBE TRAIL, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, NEW DEVELOPMENT SOMEWHERE.
THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN GET THAT DENSITY AS WELL.
BUT JUST KNOW IF YOU DO GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE ADDING TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PRICE TAG.
SO IT JUST ADDS TO MORE THAT YOU HAVE TO COVER DOWN THE ROAD.
SO WHERE I'LL SAY WHERE WHEN AND HOW YOU ADD DEVELOPMENT HAS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP ON WHAT IT COSTS TO LIVE IN KYLE TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS IN THIS ONE AND IT'S ACTUALLY A SERIES OF GRAPHICS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW TO YOU.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE, AGAIN, THERE ARE NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWERS.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR REACTIONS TO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INTENSITY.
AND WITH EACH DIFFERENT GRAPHIC WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU, IS THIS LEVEL OF INTENSITY SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL COULD BE COMPATIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO TONIGHT WHERE IT SHOULD GO AND HOW IT SHOULD LOOK.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSING.
WE'VE BEEN KIND OF FOLLOWING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, AND THEY WILL BE THE SUBJECTS OF ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, WE WILL ALSO BE DIGGING IN KEVIN PREVIEWED THIS EARLIER, UH, ON WEDNESDAY AS WE'RE TALKING WITH THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, AND WE INVITE YOU ALL TO COME TO THOSE, UH, ONE OF THOSE SESSIONS TOO.
WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING, UM, IN KIND OF A, A GRANULAR LEVEL AT NEIGHBORHOODS AND FIGURING OUT WHERE THINGS SHOULD GO.
BUT FOR TONIGHT, WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR APPETITE FOR DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INTENSITY AROUND KYLE.
SO WE START WITH THE, THE MOST OPEN, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR TO SOME OF YOU.
WHAT I WILL NOTE ABOUT THE IMAGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU IS THEY'RE ALL SHOWN ON THE EXACT SAME TRACT LAND IN TERMS OF SIZE.
OKAY? WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE THIS SAME TRACT OF LAND SPLIT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO FIRST WE WANT YOU TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ONE AND THEN WE WANT YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION,
OR YOU MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES IT COULD.
AND WE WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.
CAN WE SEE IT AGAIN? I THAT'S MY LONG BOAT.
SO GIMME, SO IT'S, SO THOSE, THOSE LOTS, THERE ARE A HUNDRED FOOT, A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE BY ONE 50 D MM-HMM.
OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THREE MORE VOTES.
I THINK BEAR HAS A GENUINE CONCERN THAT HE'S NOT VOTING WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
WE'RE ASKING, YOU'RE MAKING BIG DECISIONS, YOU'RE NOT MAKING OUR DECISIONS, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR YOUR REACTIONS.
I'M SORRY FOR BEING THE SQUEAKY WHEEL, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMPLAIN SINCE WHEN? 2010.
WE HAVEN'T, WE WELL WE HAVEN'T HAD IT UPDATED.
IF THE POINT IS IS FOR US TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT'S HELPFUL TO
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WRITE A NEW ONE.I DON'T, I COULD CLOSE MY EYES AND CLICK A BUTTON JUST TO KNOW IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IN SOME WAY.
BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ANSWERING THE QUESTION BASED ON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF YOU SAY IT COULD IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR A MINUTE.
WHAT ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THAT DOESN'T WORK AND KYLE? WELL, FOR HOMEOWNER THAT I KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE WAS TELLING ME IS THAT SHE LOVED HER HOUSE, BUT SHE JUST HATES MOWING.
SO MAINTENANCE ISSUES, MAINTEN, OKAY.
UH, SHE WANTED, SHE WAS ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW IS THERE ANY TOWN HOMES OR CONDOS THAT ARE GONNA BE, THAT THEY COULD BUY? OKAY.
I ACTUALLY HEARD IT FROM ANOTHER PERSON THAT WAS SAYING THAT, UH, WHEN WE MOVED FROM COLORADO HERE, UH, THAT WAS THE THING.
THEY HAVE, WE HAVE NICE YARDS AND BIG LUCK, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD EVERYBODY LOVES THEIR YARD.
BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT MAY WANT SMALLER LOTS, SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TOWN HOMES OR CONDOS.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA FIT FOR EVERYBODY.
SO THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A VERY GOOD WAY TO SAY THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS GONNA BE SET IN STONE.
BUT JUST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE AND SEEING THAT I CAN JUST KNOW RALPH BAT, IT'LL SATISFY SOME OF YOUR RESIDENTS.
IT WON'T BE THE RIGHT THING FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU HAVE CHOICES, RIGHT? LIKE YOU CAN GO AND HAVE AND LIVE IN AN APARTMENT OR IN A TOWN HOME BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE THAT WANTS, IF IT'S, FOR ME, I COULD HAVE TWO ACRES AND COWS IN THERE AND BE HAPPY AS, AND I WOULD LOVE TO REMAIN IN KYLE.
BUT I HAVE THAT WHAT YOU GIVE US IS GREAT DIRECTION.
SO I THINK VERY, IF YOU LOOK IN AN AREA LIKE BUNTON CREEK, THAT'S TOTALLY NOT DEVELOPED YET THAT HAS LARGE POTS OF LAND AND IT MIGHT BE NICE TO GO OVER THERE, I THINK KIND OF WHERE TOBI, HIS PARENTS LIVE, THOSE ARE REALLY LARGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CITY LIMITS OR NOT.
I DRIVE BY THIS AREA AND I'M LIKE, THESE HOUSES ARE, SO THEY'RE WALKING OUT ON THAT FARM
IT'S, IT'S SOME, SO THERE IS I THINK SOME SPACES AND KYLE THAT CAN ALLOW FOR THAT.
AND AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WANT THE DENSITY AND THE WALKABILITY.
I DO, BUT I MEAN MAYBE WHEN I GET OLDER I'M NOT GONNA WATCH.
SO ALL I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE I THINK EVERYONE WANTS TWO ACRES IN A FARM, A TWO ACRE LOT WITH CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND CITY SERVICES IS A, IS A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS PROPERTY.
SO THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD IT MM-HMM.
RIGHT? BUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD A 250 TO $450,000 HOME, IT'S EVERYONE ELSE.
SO IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BUILD OUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO TRY TO ATTRACT LESS THAN 1% OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD IT? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE TO DO THAT? OR IS IT BETTER FOR US TO BUILD OUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT PROVIDES A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BUY ON SMALLER LOTS THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE AFFORDED WITH GREAT AMENITIES AND, AND TO A NICE STANDARD TO THE QUESTION IS A FORCED RANK QUESTION.
NOT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK TWO ACRE LOTS ARE GREAT MM-HMM.
BUT WE HAVE ONE ACRE LOTS COMING, TWO BROTHERS, LIKE IT'S, IT'S GONNA COME A MILLION DOLLAR HOME.
IT'S, BUT IT'S, THE POINT IS TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? I THINK THIS WILL BE A MATTER OF LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THIS TYPE OF HOMES DO WE WANNA DEDICATE TO HOUSE, RIGHT? THAT'S, YOU'VE GIVEN TWO IMPORTANT DIRECTIONS, WHICH IS TO, TO TRY TO SOLVE THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR POPULATION AND THE MEANS AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO AFFORD THOSE THINGS.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE TWO REALLY SOLID PIECES.
MAIN POINT IS TO ADD THIS IN, IN TO THE NEXT QUESTION, BUT THERE'S SOME OF THIS ALSO GIVES US A SENSE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT, RIGHT? THOSE LARGER LOTS DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT A MORE SUBURBAN TYPE NEIGHBORHOOD OR A MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE.
YOU COULD HAVE NARROWER STREETS AND BARD DITCHES.
WELL IT'S NOT LIKE THE LOT'S OUT ON STAGE COACH.
LIKE FURTHER OUT, THERE'S LIKE SOME ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE ACRE LOT.
YOU COULD PUT LESS INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE.
AND THAT KIND OF GETS BACK TO THAT QUALITY OFER, THE, THE VENN DIAGRAM, RIGHT? OF THE, THE SERVICE STANDARDS OF YOU'RE PICKING, YOU WANT THAT RURAL, SO YOU DON'T NEED CARBON GUTTER AND UNDERGROUND STORM SEWER AND ALL THAT.
YOU'RE OKAY WITH BAR ISSUES AND, AND LESS INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO THERE'S VARIABLES, THERE'S VARIABLES HERE.
UM, WHICH BRINGS DOWN THE SERVICE COST.
IT'S NOT, NOT GONNA DO AS MUCH ABOUT THE VAL, THE VALUES ARE, YOU JUST GOTTA UNDERSTAND THE, THE BASELINE IN TEXAS GOING FORWARD IS THOSE VALUES ARE GOING NOWHERE BUT UP.
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MM-HMM.SO LET'S LOOK AT THIS NEXT LEVEL OF INTENSITY AND, AND KIND OF GET YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS ONE.
SO AGAIN, SAME SIZE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THIS TIME IT'S SPLIT FOUR WAYS.
WE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS THAT ARE SHOWN THERE.
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND DON'T LIKE CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK? YES.
SO CUZ THAT WAS SHOWING 5.8 UNITS PER ACRE PER ACRE, THAT THAT'S AN AVERAGE.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS EACH ONE OF THOSE HOMES IS ON A LOT.
THAT'S, THAT'S 50 FEET BY 150 FEET.
SO LET US KNOW WHETHER YOU THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR THAT COULD FIT SOMEWHERE IN KYLE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 4.70 IN THE PENINSULA.
THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO IF, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE HOUSES OR ACRE.
SO YOU GOT FOUR VOTES SO FAR? 5, 6, 7 ONE'S SHOW ON WHICH ONE? OKAY.
HAS EVERYBODY VOTED, WHICH AS WE'RE WAITING ON A COUPLE MORE.
IS ANYBODY HAVING TROUBLE THAT ME PROTEST? I DON'T THINK IT WAS ME.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE I DIDN'T, THE MAJORITY OF YOURE SAYING YES.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY, THAT'S A PRETTY DECISIVE RESPONSE.
SO WE WON'T PARK ON THIS ONE TOO LONG.
ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY WITH ME? UH, I'LL SAY ON THE MIDDLE IT HAS TO DO WITH CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING EARLIER.
AND BECAUSE KNOWING BEING HERE MM-HMM.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE SERVING.
I KNOW I'VE, I'VE, I IT'S THE EXPERIENCE OF, OF LIVING HERE KNOWING WHAT AREAS ARE, UH, ADEQUATE FOR, FOR THESE TYPES OF HOUSING.
SO UNDERSTANDING YOUR CITY MM-HMM.
UM, KIND OF GOT ME TO THE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE KIND OF LOTS WOULD WORK IN CERTAIN AREAS MM-HMM.
AND HOW MUCH OF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE, I WOULDN'T WANNA JUST FOCUS ON THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING IS CURRENTLY IN THE AREA.
SO KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE DIVERSITY MIX YOU HAVE NOW AND THEN HOW TO ADD TO THAT.
THAT'S, HAVE YOU GUYS ADD THAT TO THE INFORMATION HERE? CAUSE I THINK THAT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT.
AND WE'RE TAKING NOTES OF EVERYTHING YOU'VE GIVEN US.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PIECE OF DIRECTION FOR US TO LOOK AT.
YOU GUYS ARE GIVING US SOME GOOD STUFF HERE.
THIS IS BUMPING IT UP ANOTHER LEVEL OF INTENSITY.
SO AGAIN, SAME SIZE PROPERTY, BUT NOW WE'RE SPLITTING IT UP IN, INTO, UH, ALLOWING MORE UNITS AND WE'VE ALLOWED SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS HERE.
SO YOU SEE MORE OF A VARIETY OF HOUSING MIX.
SO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT AND LET ME OPEN UP THE QUESTION HERE AGAIN.
DOES THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY FIT SOMEWHERE INTO YOUR COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER? WE GOT TWO VOTES, FOUR VOTES.
FIVE MAN, YOU GUYS ARE FAST NOW.
YOU CAN JUST COUNT ME OUT, DOCTOR, DON'T NO WAIT ON ME.
SO, UH, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISPARITY HERE SO WE'VE GOT SOME AFFIRMATIVE.
SO LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE NO IT DOES NOT FOR A MINUTE.
DOES ANYBODY WANNA SHARE WHY? YOU MIGHT BE JUST SAY COMPLETELY, THERE'S NOT A PLACE FOR THIS IN KYLE AND I'LL GO BACK TO THE PICTURE SO WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AS WE'RE TALKING.
ANYBODY WANNA COMMENT ON THAT? ANYBODY WANNA COMMENT ON WHY THEY THINK DECISIVELY? YES, IT DOES FIT SOMEWHERE IN KYLE.
SO FOR, UH, FOR ONE HOME OWNERSHIP AND AFFORDABILITY IS THE QUESTION THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? AND SO
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IF WE'RE SAYING THAT, UH, UH, ONLY CERTAIN TYPES OF LOTS ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN ONLY CERTAIN TYPES OF INCOMES ARE ALLOWED TO PURCHASE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.SO BY ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS IN THE BACK, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL INCOME STREAM TO ALLOW FOR SOMEONE TO PURCHASE A UNIT THAT THEY MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO.
BASICALLY JUST, IT BRINGS DOWN THE COST OF THE UNITS TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE.
TO ME, THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE MEDIAN INCOME IN THE CITY OF KYLE IS, IS ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE AND ACHIEVE THE AMERICAN DREAM IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND IF WE ARE NOT ALLOWING OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS TO ALLOW FORT HOMES TO BE PUT ON THE MARKET FOR SALE AND IN A WAY THAT IS ATTAINABLE BY THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO LIVES HERE, THEN WE ARE CONTRIBUTING, UH, TO THE, UH, UNAFFORDABILITY CRISIS IN THE CITY.
SO, UH, I WOULD RATHER, I THINK WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS BECAUSE, UH, THE RENTAL SITUATION, BUT LIKE TOWN HOMES FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUY TOWN HOMES.
A SINGLE TEACHER, YOU KNOW, WITH THE KID COULD, SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A TWO BEDROOM TOWN HOME, UH, AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY MAKE THAT PURCHASE.
WHEREAS THEY CANNOT MAKE A $450,000 OWNER PURCHASE WITHOUT GETTING MARRIED AND, AND DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND MAYBE EVEN IN THEY CAN'T MM-HMM.
SO FOR ME, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YES.
SO FOR THIS MOTHER-IN-LAW DON'T WANT MOTHER-IN-LAW IN THE HOUSE, MOTHER-IN-LAW CAN'T REALLY BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THE ADU IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THAT.
IT'S CLOSE, BUT NOT IN THE SAME, NOW WE ALL KNOW HOW KEVIN FEELS VACCIN.
SO TO THAT POINT I'M CALLING HER RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED TO BE LIMITED INSTEAD OF THE BUILDING OFF THE DWELLING TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY TO BE PURCHASED INSTEAD OF A RENTAL.
WELL YOU CAN'T REALLY LEGISLATE RENTAL VERSUS OWNER, BUT WHAT YOU CAN LEGISLATE IS PRODUCT TYPE.
SO CONDOS, TOWNHOMES, UH, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY WITH AN A D U, THOSE ARE ALL PRODUCT TYPES THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR A PURCHASE.
BUT THEY AREN'T ALL THAT GOES TO THE POINT I MADE EARLIER ONE TOO THAT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH.
IT'S THIS PERSON THAT I'VE WORKED WITH AGAIN, WANTED TO BUY A HOME.
SHE BOUGHT A HOME IN AMBERWOOD, BUT IT WAS JUST HER BY HERSELF.
SHE WAS A FEMALE OFFICER, COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT WAS JUST TOO, IT WAS JUST A LOT YARD MAINTENANCE, ROOF, WHATEVER.
IT'S, VERSUS HAVING A TOWN HOME, WHICH SHE MENTIONED IF THERE WAS TOWN HOMES THERE THAT I COULD BUY, THAT'D BE PERFECT.
AND THEN ALSO THE RETIREE THAT I SPOKE TO THAT CAME MOVE COLORADO, UH, HER GRANDKIDS ARE HERE AND SHE'S NOT, SHE'S LIVED ON THE BIG FARM, BIG HOUSE, DID ALL THAT.
UH, AND WANTED TO FIND SOMETHING TO WHERE IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, SUSTAINABLE, BUT IT, SHE COULD STILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE IT BUT NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE BIG YARD.
AND JUST HAVING THAT DIVERSITY.
I, I WILL SAY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY FAIR TO SAY, WELL IF YOU WANT $125,000 HOUSE IN KYLE, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN.
SO MY HOPE FOR AFFORDABILITY IS WE DON'T HAVE TO CRAM EVERYBODY IN.
AND TREAT THE, FOR ME, I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE DO WANT THAT AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER YARD OR A STANDALONE HOME AND YOU DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORS WHOSE WALLS THAT YOU CAN TOUCH, I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT TOO.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A REASON THAT I WOULD WANT THAT KIND, YOU KNOW, I THINK AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, A MOTHER-IN-LAW, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO GENUINELY ENJOY IT.
BUT BASED ON AFFORDABILITY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE THAN JUST THAT.
SO LET ME ASK A ANOTHER QUESTION OFF OF THE SLIDE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, WE HAVE NOT ONLY SMALLER LOTS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS.
SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU ALL THINK, UM, ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS.
AND IF, IF YOU WERE A LITTLE, UM, IF YOU HAD A LITTLE BIT OF OBJECTION TO THIS PARTICULAR IMAGE, HELP US UNDERSTAND.
WAS IT MORE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS OR WAS IT MORE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE LOSS? THAT WOULD HELP US A LOT ARE AUTHORITY.
I, I DON'T, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
LIKE PLUM CREEK HAS AN EXAMPLE THAT THERE ARE, UM, STREETS THAT HAVE BIGGER LOTS AND THEN THERE'S TOWN HOMES IN ANOTHER STREET.
UH, SO HAVING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS IN, IN ONE SAME DEVELOPMENT WILL MAKE SENSE TO ME.
SO, SO, AND I'M CURIOUS TO EXTEND THAT BASED, BASED ON YOUR CONSTITUENTS, BASED ON THE PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT MOST PEOPLE AND KYLE THINK? DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE OPEN TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSES IN THE SAME AREA
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BUT MIGHT NEED MORE CONVINCING AND PERSUASION ON SMALLER LOTS? NOT, MIGHT BE, YEAH.I THINK THAT'S THAT FAIR TO SAY.
WELL, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND.
PROBABLY THE COMPROMISE HERE IS LIKE, AND SO KIND OF WHAT LAURA LEE WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH PARKS.
SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ACRE AND YOU WANT TO CREATE A LOT MORE DENSITY, IF YOU JUST FILL THE ACRE UP WITH HOUSES, THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE OR PARK OR AMENITY MM-HMM.
AND SO, BUT IF YOU, UH, IF YOU CREATE EVEN MORE DENSITY BUT LEAVE HALF OF THAT ACRE FOR A PUBLIC PARK, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON ONE HALF CAN ENJOY THAT AMENITY, WHICH IS PLUM CREEK.
IT ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAINED THROUGH AN HOMEOWNER.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE, IT'S NOT A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS, BUT IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
SO THAT DENSITY IS ON ONE SIDE, BUT THE AMENITIES ARE THERE AS WELL.
SHOULD BE MORE, THAT SHOULD BE THE GOAL.
IT IS TO CREATE DENSITY OF HOUSING, BUT ALSO TO ALLOW FOR THERE TO BE A LOT OF AMENITIES WITHIN THAT TYPE OF, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
AND I SAW NODDING YOU EVERY SINGLE ACRE.
DOES EVERYBODY, I THINK A GOAL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE LEGAL.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF YOU WERE NODDING IN CONSENSUS THAT YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, THIS DENSITY MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENT IF IT WAS PLACED CLOSE TO OPEN SPACE THAT THERE MIGHT BE LESS OPPOSITION TO IT WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN.
THAT'S REALLY USEFUL FOR US TO HAVE THAT, THAT SHOWS THE DIVERSITY OF THIS COUNCIL WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE LIVE MM-HMM.
SOME PEOPLE LIVE IN AREAS WHERE WE'VE GOT BIG LOTS.
AND WE'VE GOT, WHICH IT'S IRONIC BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY YEAH.
WE TALK ABOUT THE WEST SIDE, WE TALK PALM CREEK, BUT A LOT OF THE SUBDIVISIONS ON THE EAST SIDE ARE LARGER LOTS.
BUT THEY HAVE, WELL, WHAT DO THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT? THERE'S NO AMENITIES IN EAST AMENITIES.
SO IT'S, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE OPPORTUNITY COST AND THE TRADE OFF FOR HOW ABSOLUTELY.
WELL AND YOU, YOU, YOU BRING UP AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT THAT KIND OF TIES INTO WHAT KEVIN WAS SHARING WITH YOU ALL EARLIER.
WHEN THE LAND THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED IS MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE, YOU CAN ALLOW FOR MORE OF THAT GREEN SPACE THAT ISN'T GENERATING SO MUCH PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
SO IT'S THIS BALANCE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
LET'S LOOK AT ONE, LET'S STEP THIS UP ONE LAST TIME AND LET YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK.
SO HERE AND AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THAT SAME TRACT OF LAND.
IT, IT'S IN SMALLER LOTS THAN THE LAST ONE.
WE HAVE, AGAIN, DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS AND THERE'S MORE TREES, BUT WE DIDN'T DO THAT ON PURPOSE
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT ONE.
DOES THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY FIT SOMEWHERE FOR KYLE? OKAY.
THIS THING DOESN'T, IS IT NOT LIKE YOU? THERE IT, THERE YOU GO.
I CAN, LET'S SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
LOOKING FOR TWO OR THREE MORE VOTES.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, MOST OF YOU SAID YES IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ON BOTH SIDES OF YES, IT DOES.
SO LET'S, LET'S START WITH TALKING ABOUT THOSE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND SOME OF IT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TO SOME DEGREE, SO THAT'S OKAY IF, IF THAT IS THE ANSWER.
BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THIS WOULD WORK VERSUS CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT MIGHT NOT? THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
I THINK AGAIN, CLOSE TO A GREEN SPACE THEN THIS IS, SO CONTEXT IS REALLY CRITICAL, RIGHT? THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TAKE IT JUST AS A BLOCK WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S AROUND IT.
AS FAR AS LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO A, A REGIONAL NODE, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO SHOPPING AND PARK SPACE.
AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS MIX OF DIFFERENT HOUSING UNITS, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE MIXED ON THE SAME BLOCK? DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LIKE WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT'S MIXED ON THE SAME BLOCK, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT SIDES.
SO IT'S ON THE SAME BLOCK OF LOTS OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.
I KNOW WITH TRADITIONAL ZONING, WE'RE USED TO SEEING THOSE THINGS SEPARATED AND SPREAD APART.
WE USED TO, THIS IS THE TRADITIONAL WAY THAT WE USED TO DEVELOP.
WE DO MORE PUT ZONING REQUESTS NOW, RIGHT.
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OF THE DEVELOPERS.THEY WANT TO PUT 350 FOOT LOTS ALL RIGHT.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING BACK ON THAT TO TRY TO HAVE MORE DIVERSE, DIVERSE COMMUNITIES THROUGH THE YEARS.
SO AS A, AS A LOVE, AS A MODEL, LIKE ON PLUM CREEK, BUT NOT, IT'S NOT JUST PLUM CREEK.
THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE SOME SINGLE FAMILY, YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO LIKE MOVE UP WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS, YOU'RE BUILDING NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT SUBDIVISION.
DOES EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH CONCUR WITH THAT? OKAY.
I THINKS
DEVELOPERS CAN IS VERY DIFFICULT TO PLOT AND TO, TO EXECUTE.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE BLOCK CAN BE A PRODUCT AND THE NEXT BLOCK CAN BE A PRODUCT.
UH, BUT THIS IS, THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP, ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, I MEAN THE PREVALENCE OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, JUST LOOKING AT DUPLEXES, LET'S KIND OF LOOK LIKE MOTOR COURTS, THE, THE PINK ONES.
THERE'S ALSO THE, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT OF A BUILDING THIS ALL AT ONCE FROM GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT VERSUS GOING INTO AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADDING SOME OF THE DENSITY.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THOSE TWO? I THINK YOUR FRONT HALF IS PRETTY EASY TO, TO DEVELOP.
THEY HAVE SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO A DUPLEX.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR YOU GUYS.
WE'RE GETTING SHORT ON TIME, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE STAY ON TRACK.
SO NOW WE'VE STEPPED UP THE INTENSITY.
SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN LOOKING AT SOME, SOME HIGHER LEVELS OF INTENSITY, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK.
BY THE WAY, 30 UNITS PER ACRE RIGHT HERE.
THIS ONE, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT OUR MULTI-FAMILY ZONING IS 30 UNITS.
THAT'S THE CLOSEST THING TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.
CAN I SAY ONE QUICK THING PLEASE.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS LIKE A TINY BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
UM, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
THE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT YOU SEE ON ALL OF THESE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE ARE NET DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO LIKE, GIVE YOU AN ACTUAL DECISION MAKING.
IT'S JUST TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE FROM ONE VISUAL TO THE NEXT.
AND NET MEANS THAT YOU DON'T FACTOR IN THE STREETS, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS NOT TO GET TOO HUNG UP ON THE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE NUMBER.
SECOND THING ABOUT THIS ONE IS, YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE EXISTING ZONING THAT WILL GET YOU 30 UNITS PER ACRE.
WELL, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY MAKE 30 UNITS PER ACRE POSSIBLE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT'S DONE.
THE ONE SECOND FROM THE TOP, THAT'S A 12 UNIT, UH, SMALL MULTIPLEX, WHICH IS ABOUT THE SMALLEST, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT COMPLEX.
ONE CAN BUILD IN A, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE LARGEST APARTMENT COMPLEX ONE CAN BUILD IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT.
SO THE WAY THAT YOU GET AT THIS HIGH NUMBER HERE IS BY ALLOWING FOR, UM, A HIGHER BUILDING TYPOLOGY INSIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT.
SO JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY, LIKE YOU SEE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE BOTTOM CORNER, YOU SEE HOMES WITH ADUS AT THE TOP, UH, THE YELLOW ONE IN THE FRONT, IT WOULD BE A QUADPLEX.
AND THE ONE IN THE BACK IS A SINGLE UNIT ADU.
SO JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE.
SO WHERE WOULD WE SEE APARTMENTS LIKE THIS INSIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT? LIKE IS THERE AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW OF THAT WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THE, UH, THEY HAVE 12 PLEXES IN AT THE MILLER DEVELOPMENT IN AUSTIN.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THEM.
AND, AND TO BE CLEAR JUST ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING, NOBODY HERE IS SUGGESTING THAT WE WANT YOU TO BUILD ANY ONE PLACE IN KYLE TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THESE BLOCKS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASCERTAIN FROM EACH OF YOU IS IF THERE WAS A BLOCK IN KYLE THAT LOOKED LIKE THAT, WOULD THAT BE A PROBLEM? WOULD THIS BE UNACCEPTABLE EVERYWHERE? UM, SO, AND OF COURSE PEOPLE HAVE SAID NO UP TO THIS POINT.
THAT'S A PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.
BUT YEAH, YOU CAN SEE 12 PLEXES.
UH, MILLER IS FULL OF FIVE PLEXES.
THEY'VE GOT LOTS OF QUADS AND ATTACHED TOWN HOMES THAT ARE DONE IN, UH, DEEP BLOCK FORMAT.
SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE ALL OF THE ENTRIES ALONG THE SIDE AND THERE'S AN ALLEY DOWN.
SO FROM THE FRONT IT LOOKS LIKE A SINGLY MASKED HOUSE.
YOU STILL HAVE EIGHT UNITS IN IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIVERSITY THERE.
SO WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO CHECK IT OUT CAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE.
LIKE, YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR US.
WHAT'S THAT? YOUR QUESTION LOOKS LIKE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
WOULD YOU PREFER THIS OVER APARTMENTS? YES, EXACTLY.
NO, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH.
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I WOULD SAY YES TO THAT QUESTION.IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME INTENSITY, BUT IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF, IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF GETTING THERE.
VERY DIFFERENT WAY OF GETTING THERE.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY HAD SO MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE WAY YOU'RE WANTING TO CURATE KYLE TO LOOK AND FEEL.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY IN KEEPING WITH YOUR LINE OF THOUGHT THERE.
TELL ME WHEN YOU ALL DID A GREAT JOB VOTING.
AND SO WE HAVE ABOUT 13 MINUTES LEFT.
AGAIN, WE WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME AND LET YOU GO.
AND WE PROMISED, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME.
SO REACTIONS AFTER YOU'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE MOVING FORWARD, THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO KNOW, UM, THAT YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO SHARE UP TO THIS POINT.
WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, UH, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IMPOSING HIGH DENSITY ON NEW, NEW INCOMING RESIDENTS, WHEREAS EXISTING RESIDENTS HAVE A, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY AVERAGE LARGER LOTS OR MORE GREEN SPACE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
DO YOU THINK THAT THE LADDER HOUSES ARE ALREADY HERE? YOU CAN BUY THAT HOUSE, THAT HOUSE IS FOR SALE AND LIKE EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO BUY, YOU DON'T, A NEW PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO BUY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UM, A A EXISTING RESIDENT CAN MOVE TO THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WHAT WHAT I WANNA SEE IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT DIVERSITY.
AND WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT 10%, 20% TO BE AFFORDABLE FOR THAT $50,000 A YEAR PERSON.
WELL WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THAT NOW.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WHAT WE CREATE NEEDS TO BE 10%.
WE NEED TO CREATE ENOUGH OF THAT TO WHERE THE WHOLE AGGREGATE IS THAT AMOUNT.
IF WE WANT TO MAKE KYLE AFFORDABLE FOR THAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT PERSON WHO MAKES THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE NEED TO MAKE QUITE A BIT OF THAT.
SO IF THE PERSON WANTS THE LARGER LOT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BUY HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY HERE.
WE NEED MORE OF THE HOUSES THAT THEY CAN AFFORD.
AND RATHER THAN IMPOSING THE QUESTION THAT KEEPS COMING TO MY MIND BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, CAUSE WE'VE GOT DEVELOPERS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW TALKING ABOUT US AND ABOUT KYLE AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT MOVING HERE.
HOW, HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE THESE PARTIES TO MATCH KYLE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT? YOU SEE, I MEAN, HOW DO WE GET THE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN TO BUILD WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK THEY, I THINK THEY WOULD, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW FOR THAT KIND OF DENSITY RIGHT NOW VERY OFTEN.
BUT THE TRADE OFF IS, AND WHAT I THINK THE FEAR IS, IS THAT IF WE ALLOW FOR THAT, THAT THE, IT'S SO OVERWHELMING.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THE QUALITY? CAUSE IF YOU DO ONE BIG 12 PLEX AND THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A GOOD QUALITY STRUCTURE, THEN IT CAN GO DOWNHILL IN A HURRY.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A LIGHT SITUATION.
SO IF WHAT IF WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS DENSITY, THEN PERHAPS THE, THE RIGHT APPROACH IS TO, UH, REQUIRE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY COME WITH THAT KIND OF, IT'S LIKE, CUZ DEVELOPERS WANT THE DENSITY.
AND IF THEY COME AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT DENSITY, THEN OUR RESPONSE SHOULD BE, WELL WE WON'T QUALITY.
SO IF YOU BRING IN, AS OPPOSED TO FIGHTING THEM ON DENSITY, WHICH IS, I THINK WHAT WE OFTEN TRY TO DO IS WE SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU HAVE 30 UNITS.
WE'RE GONNA LET YOU HAVE 20, WHICH WE'VE SEEN TODAY SORT OF ARGUING AGAINST OUR OWN FINANCIAL BEST INTEREST.
BUT RATHER THAN SAY, NO, IT'S GOTTA BE 20, IT'S, WE NEED A, WE NEED A POCKET PARK, OR WE NEED YOU TO USE FULL MASONRY, OR WE NEED YOU TO USE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMPOSITE SHINGLES OR YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT POINT IS TO UNDERSTAND THE BIGGER PICTURE OF HOW WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY FITS INTO WHAT YOU'RE ALL SAYING.
RIGHT? AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BETWEEN HERE AND THERE, BUT YOU ALL SEEM LIKE YOU'RE REALLY POISED TO DO IT.
SO THIS IS REALLY STEP ONE, RIGHT? THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY HERE TO, TO ESTABLISH THE VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY AND TO LET THOSE DEVELOPERS AND YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OTHERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN KYLE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE AND HOW YOU WANT TO GET THERE.
AND THEN WHEN THIS PLAN IS FINISHED, THAT'S WHEN THE HEAVY LIFTING REALLY STARTS FOR YOU ALL IN TERMS OF, OKAY, HOW DO WE MAKE THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS WORK AND, AND EXECUTE THAT VISION THAT WE JUST ADOPTED? HOW DO WE MAKE CODES THAT TRULY ACCOMPLISH GETTING THOSE THINGS THAT WE SET, MAKING IT EASIER TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE LAID OUT IN THIS PLAN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS'LL BE A MARATHON AND NOT A SPRINT AND, AND OUR PIECE OF THIS IS SMALL.
UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL REALLY HAVE ALREADY COME TO SOME PLACE OF CONSENSUS ON THE VISION OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO.
UM, AND SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR CODES ARE GONNA BE A BIG PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND WE'VE DONE ON YOU ALL, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WHERE YOU'VE SAID, WE WANNA UPDATE OUR CODES AND WE WANT
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GET THESE THINGS RIGHT.SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ALL THE, THE RIGHT THINGS AND HAVING THIS THIS PIECE AS SORT OF THE LAUNCH PATH FOR THAT TO HAPPEN WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME REALLY GOOD INSIGHTS.
ANY OTHERS? SO BACK TO THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE.
SO I'M ASSUMING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DRILL DOWN TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE CURRENT OWNERS? WE DON'T, WE DON'T BECAUSE I WOULD BET, UH, GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE CURRENT LEGACY OWNERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PERCENTAGE OF, OKAY, 27% MIGHT KNOCK DOWN TO 12%, 13% THAT CURRENTLY DON'T, DO NOT OWN.
AND, AND REALLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO THERE IS NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON THAT SPECIFIC FIGURE IS TO JUST SAY THERE'S A LARGE POPULATION HERE THAT NEEDS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING AND, AND HOW DO YOU FEEL, AND I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME VERY CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, HOW YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT.
SO I'M SURE WE COULD PROBABLY PICK APART THAT FIGURE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT WAS REALLY JUST TO DRIVE FROM THE POINT THAT THERE'S A PRESENCE AND YOU ALL SAID WE'RE NOT SURPRISED BY THIS NUMBER, SO YOU ALREADY KIND OF KNEW THAT.
ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THAT, THE NEW FOLKS MOVING IN, DO THEY FALL ON THAT SAME YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS, BUT I KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AFFORDABILITY SPREAD THROUGHOUT KYLE AND NOT JUST NOT IN POCKETS.
A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN, RIGHT? YEAH.
ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT FOR US TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND PARTICIPATION, YOUR CLEAR DIRECTION.
IT REALLY HELPS US SET UP A PRODUCT THAT WE CAN BRING TO YOU THAT WILL BE IN LINE WITH YOUR EXPECTATIONS.
UM, AND WE'LL HANG OUT FOR A FEW EXTRA MINUTES IF YOU WANNA VISIT, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET YOU OUTTA HERE AS PROMISE.