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THE MORNING.[I. Call Meeting to Order]
UH, APRIL 1ST, SATURDAY, AND I'M GONNA CALL THIS SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.NEXT UP, CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.
IS THERE ANYONE WHOS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? SEEING NONE.
CITIZEN, CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.
[III. Executive Session]
UP.UH, PURSUANT TO CHAPTER FOX 51, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CITY COUNCIL RESERVES THE RIGHTS TO CO CONVEN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FROM TIME TO TIME IS DEEMED NECESSARY DURING THIS MEETING, CITY COUNCIL MAY CO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ANY LAWFUL EXCEPTION CONTAINED IN CHAPTER 5 51 OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, INCLUDING ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING TOPICS, PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION, OR SEEK THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY OR AND ATTORNEYS CONCERNING LEGAL ISSUES PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.071, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 1.05, TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES AND PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT ENGAGEMENT, UNEMPLOYMENT ATTORNEY AND PERSONNEL MATTERS PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.07 FOR CITY MANAGER CANDIDATE REVIEW.
[2.
Take action on items discussed in Executive Session.
]TIME IS 1110.I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
THERE IS NO ACTION TAKEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THERE WILL BE NO ACTION TAKEN.
NOW, UM, I'M GONNA BRING UP, UH, OUT OF ORDER
[5. Discuss, authorize and possibly approve the verbiage of the Request for Qualifications (RFQ), approved by the City Council during the March 21, 2023, regular council meeting, to allow for the Council to receive, review and possibly retain legal counsel, specifically for the future City Manager's contract. ~ Yvonne Flores-Cale, Council Member]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSS AUTHORIZED AND POSSIBLY APPROVE THE VERBIAGE OF THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS RFQ, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING MARCH 21ST, 2023, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO ALLOW FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE REVIEW AND POSSIBLY RETAIN LEGAL COUNSEL SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FUTURE CITY MANAGER'S CONTRACT.THIS IS CUSTOMER FLORES KALE'S ITEM.
UM, SO THE TWO WEEKS AGO ALMOST, UH, WHEN WE, AT OUR TUESDAY MEETING, WE MADE A MOTION TO, UM, RETAIN AN RFQ.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY, INTERIM CITY MANAGER BACK AND FORTH.
UM, AND I WAS INFORMED LAST WEEK THAT IN ORDER TO DO SO, THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL AS TO WHAT TO PLACE IN THE RFQ.
AND SO, UM, I REQUESTED THIS TO BE, UM, PUT ON THIS AGENDA IN ORDER TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS.
UM, AND IN BETWEEN WE ALSO LEARNED THAT THE CITY MANAGER, UM, PROCESS IS MOVING QUICKER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
UM, AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE SIT WITH THIS.
IT'S APPARENTLY, I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS GONNA BE, UM, ALMOST TWO WEEKS LATER BEFORE WE PLACED THE RFQ.
UM, THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO STAFF WAS JUST TO, UH, DO ONE.
UM, AND, AND SO I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA FALL BEHIND IF WE DON'T TAKE, UM, SOME KIND OF ALTERNATIVE ACTION INSTEAD OF THE RFQ.
UM, WHICH I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, UM, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE OFTENTIMES OUR MOTIONS GO, UM, SEEM TO BE POINTLESS.
AND SO FOR ME, IT'S BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT COUNCIL VOTED ON.
AND EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT MAY BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO, UM, NOT PUT AN RFQ OUT, I THINK, UM, OVERALL WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN IS, UH, THERE'S BEEN TALK OF THE, UM, NIGHT LAW FIRM RETAINING OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR OUR COUNCIL, AND, AND WE'VE REVIEWED SOME OPTIONS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT FROM HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK OR MAKE A MOTION, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO DISCUSS.
SO, UM, I WILL YIELD, YIELD THE FLOOR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE NIGHT LAW FIRM TO RETAIN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL IN PURSUIT OF, UH, CONSULTATION AS IT RELATES TO THE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT OF THE CITY MANAGER, UH, THROUGH THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, A AGREEMENT.
AND THAT THAT INDEPENDENT COUNSEL WOULD BE LLOYD GOSLING.
SECOND MOTION BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN PARSLEY.
IS THEIR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[3. Discussion and history of Prop F approved through the 2020 City Charter Election.]
[4. Discussion and possible action on implementation of the committee and police department reporting requirements of Prop F, Section 7.06 of the City Charter.]
RIGHT.NEXT UP WE'RE GONNA BRING AGENDA ITEMS THREE AND FOUR TOGETHER, DISCUSSION HISTORY OF PROP F APPROVED THROUGH THE 2020 CHARTER ELECTION.
AND FOUR, A DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO IMPLEMENT ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMMITTEE AND PO POLICE DEPARTMENT REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF PROP F SECTION 7.06 OF THE CITY CHARTER.
SO WE, UH, HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT PROF PROP F UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, OR I GUESS MAYBE IT'S BEEN TWO MEETINGS AGO NOW.
UH, AND TH THAT LED US TO THIS WORKSHOP.
UH, AND IN THE, UH, IN THE INTERIM TIME, UM, THE MAYOR PROTE AND I, BOTH OF US HAVING BEEN ON THE ORIGINAL, UM,
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UH, COUNCIL THAT MADE THE VOTE TO PURSUE PROP F UH, UH, ENGAGED, WE ENGAGED THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE HERE AT THIS TABLE.WE FELT LIKE THAT REPRESENTED THE BRAIN TRUST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WON'T TELL YOU THE FOURTH THAT, BUT, UH, UH, SO, UH, SO WE MET WITH CHIEF, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, WITH, UH, MR. GRIFFITH, UH, AND MR. SPENCER, UH, UH, A FEW DAYS AGO TO GO OVER SOME OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, AND THEN, AND THEY PROVIDED A LOT OF INPUT.
SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO, IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, IS BASICALLY, UH, RE OUTLINE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, THAT WERE, THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE ALL AGREED WITH, UH, AND THEN THE CHANGES THAT, THAT THEY PROPOSED AND WE PROPOSED TOGETHER, UH, AND THEN TO GET Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK ON WHETHER OR NOT Y'ALL THOUGHT THAT WAS A, A GOOD PATH MOVING FORWARD.
AND IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THE BASIC OUTLINE, UH, THAT WE DISCUSS, THEN WE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO BRING, BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT TAKE A VOTE AT THE END OF THIS, UH, THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE HAS TO BE CREATED, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW EXACTLY WHAT'S IN WRITING BEFORE TAKING A VOTE AT A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
CHIEF, YOU WANNA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR, OR ANY OF OUR OFFICERS HERE? UH, NO, SIR.
WE JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU AND MAYOR PRO TEAM TO OFFER SOME INSIGHT AND SOME THOUGHTS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO WE APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO ON, UH, THE COMMITTEE FORMATION ITEM, IT SEEMED THAT WE WERE ALL PRETTY MUCH IN, UH, AGREEMENT THAT THE, UH, COMMITTEE SHOULD HAVE FIVE MEMBERS.
THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT VARIOUS FORMATIONS.
UM, BUT AT, UM, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE CASE.
IS IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH? YES, SIR.
UM, AND THAT WE, WE DISCUSSED THE, THAT IT WOULD FOLLOW THE BOARD'S AND COMMISSION'S POLICY GENERALLY, AND SO AS A RESULT OF THE BOARD'S COM.
SO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT, UM, THE WAY WE, UM, APP, THE WAY PEOPLE APPLY, WOULD FOLLOW THE BOARD'S COMMISSIONS POLICY CURRENTLY, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE A CITY MANAGER, UH, OR DESIGNEE, UH, AND, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UH, A COUNCIL LIAISON AND THEN THE DIRECTOR OF THE, OR THE DEPARTMENT OF THE DEPARTMENT.
SO IN, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE INTERVIEW COMMITTEE WOULD BE ONE COUNCIL APPOINTEE, THE, UH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER.
AND WE FELT LIKE THAT IT MIGHT BE BEST TO HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF NOT BE ON THE INTERVIEW COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INDEPENDENT, BUT RATHER THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, STILL BE A THREE PERSON PANEL.
IT'S JUST THAT, SO THAT CHIEF COULD MAINTAIN, UH, INDEPENDENCE AND THE, THE REST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD MAIN INDE MAINTAIN INDEPENDENCE.
THAT WOULD BE THE BASIC FORMATION, UH, OF THAT GROUP.
AND, AND THAT SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE TO, UH, THE OFFICERS AS WELL.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I'M NOT SURE, I GUESS PROBABLY JERRY, ARE YOU CURRENTLY, DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REPORT DIRECTLY TO YOU NOW? ALL RIGHT.
SO AS WE PREPARE TO HIRE A NEW CITY MANAGER, AND THERE'LL BE AT LEAST TWO ACMS, ONE OF THOSE ACMS WOULD PROBABLY BE OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE INTERVIEW PANEL WOULD BE THE ACM OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE COUNCIL DESIGNEE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? WHEN YOU SAY COUNCIL DESIGNEE, YOU MEAN THE COUNCIL MEMBER? IT'D BE A COUNCIL MEMBER, YES.
JUST IN THE SAME WAY WE DO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSION.
SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING AFTER WE CREATE THE POLICY, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, AFTER WE, UH, HIRE A CITY MANAGER AND, AND HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE, THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD APPLY, OR THAT WE WOULD APPOINT SOMEONE FROM OUR MEMBERS TO BE ON THAT PANEL.
THEN WE WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR INTERVIEWS OR APPLICATIONS.
APPLICATIONS WOULD COME IN AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT JUST IN A SECOND.
THAT PANEL, UH, WOULD, WOULD DO THE INTERVIEWS AND THEN THEY, THOSE FOLKS WOULD COME, UH, BE SELECTED, AND THEN THE COMMITTEE WOULD START.
AND THEN, AND I CAN GO FURTHER FROM THERE, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY FOLLOWING THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THERE IS THAT IN OUR CURRENT POLICY, UH, IT WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE, A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, AND THEN IT WOULD BE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, WHICH WOULD BE THE CHIEF.
BUT, SO THE DIFFERENCE, THE DEVIATION THERE IS TO TAKE CHIEF OUT AND PUT ANOTHER, UH, A, THE ACM, UH, IN, IN THAT PLACE.
UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, I THINK WE ARE ALREADY, UM, SHORT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WOULD WE DO THE COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE I THINK WE EACH ALREADY CURRENTLY HAVE ONE.
SO WOULD ONE COUNCIL HAVE TWO COMMUNITIES AND BOARDS, BUT WE ARE NOT A LIAISON.
WHAT WE TOOK OUR VOTE WAS TO, TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE LIKE EVERYBODY, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD JUST HAVE ONE LE LIKE, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIAISON.
I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE, THE, UM, STATED, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS COUNSEL THAT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, BE INVOLVED.
AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF JUST ONE PERSON
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IS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IDEA CAME UP FROM OR IF YOU JUST KIND OF WANT TO DESCRIBE HOW YOU GUYS GOT TO THAT.WE'RE, UH, MAYOR PRO FOR RECORD.
THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ARE FOLLOWING ALONG THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, PROCESS THAT WAY WHERE WE HAVE ACM, AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE YOUR, WHAT WE JUST DID, LIKE WHEN WE DID THE APPOINTEE FOR THE RAILROAD, UH, DEPOT AND FOR THE PARKS AND THE LIBRARY, LIKE I JUST DID MINE FOR THE LIBRARIES, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN ALSO WITH THE ACM TO WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE THREE THAT WOULD DO THAT INTERVIEW.
NOW, GOING WITH THE ACTUAL SEATS, UH, HOW MANY SEATS DO WE HAVE, JERRY? UM, THAT ARE, THAT COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE FIVE, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE TWO, RIGHT? THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS FIVE SEATS ON THEIR COMMISSIONS.
THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS FIVE.
THOSE PLACES ARE ONLY DISAPPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, THE FEDERAL PROCESS.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THERE'S WHERE I CAME FROM.
BUT AS FAR AS FOLLOWING THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING FOR THE COMMISSION ITSELF, WE ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION'S POLICY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OUTLINED AS LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES ON THAT END.
THANK YOU FOR THAT BACKGROUND.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE HA WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, PER SE.
I THINK A LOT OF THE, UM, THE PROCESSES SET UP ARE GONNA BE BENEFICIAL.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE IN SPECIFIC IS GONNA BE YOU, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE PANEL? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT AT ALL.
OR, AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, YEAH, I, I THINK IT'D BE OKAY NOT TO HAVE IT.
I, I'M OKAY WITH NOT HAVING A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE PANEL EITHER.
UM, BUT I FELT LIKE WE WANT TO HAVE SOME INPUT AS IT RELATES TO THIS.
AND SO, SO I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T FEEL THE, THE AUTHORITY OR THAT TO EVEN MAKE THAT AS A PROPOSAL TO, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, JUST IN GENERAL.
UH, CUSTOMER HYR, UH, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE A ROLE IN THE INTERVIEW PANEL.
YEAH, WE ABSTAIN, BUT WHO WE VOTE FOR AMONG THE COUNCIL IS, HAS ONE FUNCTION.
AND THAT IS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE INTERVIEWS.
AND TO COLLABORATE WITH THE OTHER TWO MEMBERS OF THE PANEL TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND IT'S NOT THEM WHO APPOINTS THE BOARD.
THE FULL COUNCIL ARE THE ONES, BUT JUST LIKE THE POLICY.
YEAH, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO CONDUCT THE INTERVIEWS.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THIS, UH, THIS BEGAN WITH COUNCIL, UH, TO BEGIN WITH, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS ON THE BALLOT.
UH, SO I THINK, SO THERE, SO I'LL KEEP MOVING THEN.
THERE WOULD BE TERMS AND TERM LIMITS EXACTLY TO THE, THE BOARDS OF COMMISSION'S POLICY.
I THINK IT'S TWO TERMS, TWO YEARS.
AND YOU CAN BE REAPPOINTED ONE TIME.
UH, UH, THEY SHOULD NOT SERVE ON ANY OTHER BOARDS BECAUSE THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT BOARD.
I THOUGHT LIKE THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, UH, BOARD, WHOEVER'S ON THIS BOARD TO FULLY FOCUS ON THAT AND NOT TO BE POTENTIALLY CONFLICTED OUT OF ANY OTHER THINGS.
NOT THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY WOULD BE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE OUT, BUT IT MADE SENSE TO ME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SERVE ON ANY OTHER BOARDS IF THEY WERE ON THIS? OKAY.
UH, THAT THEY SHOULD BE REGISTERED VOTER AND A, UH, RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF KYLE.
THAT'S PER THE POLICY COUNCIL.
HAUSER, UH, DID YOU MENTION HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE ON THIS BOARD? FIVE.
I DON'T, THAT'S, IS THERE A REASON WHY THERE WE FIVE? I DON'T LIKE FIVE.
THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S TIPPING THE QUORUM ISSUE.
LIKE IF PEOPLE CAN'T SHOW UP, I MEAN, TODAY WE HAVE, AS COUNCIL, WE KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE IT.
SO I THINK, UH, SEVEN WOULD GIVE, WOULD BE MORE DIVERSE OR MAYBE EVEN SIX.
UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR TWO PEOPLE TO BE MISSING, TO STILL HAVE THAT QUORUM.
WELL, THE REASON FOR FIVE WAS TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION THAT TAKES PLACE.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE NUMBER SEVEN, THE CONVERSATIONS BECOME MORE SPREAD OUT.
IT GETS MORE FORMAL BECAUSE MORE CONTROL HAS TO BE KEPT OVER THE MEETING.
UH, I, AND SO THIS WAS REALLY MORE OF ABOUT KEEPING THE GROUP SMALLER AND KEEPING THE, KEEPING IT MORE OF AN INTIMATE, COLLABORATIVE SORT OF MENTALITY.
EVERY PERSON YOU ADD IS ANOTHER VOICE TO THE PROCESS.
IT'S, IT'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THERE TO BE DISAGREEMENTS.
UH, AND THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEBATES, UH, AND THEN IT JUST REQUIRES MORE FORMALITY.
SO THIS IS A COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT.
SO EVERYONE YOU JUST STATED IS CORRECT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMITTEE WAS FORMED FOR, TO HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT AND, AND, AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING BY LIMITING IT IS THE DIRECT OPPOSITE.
I DO THINK THOUGH, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SO MANY, UM, NOT RESTRICTIONS, BUT IN ORDER TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD, AND
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I HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE A PART OF THIS.I DON'T KNOW THAT, NOW THINKING ABOUT IT, THAT SEVEN MIGHT BE A LOT.
WHAT ABOUT SIX? COULD WE TABLE THIS PART AND THEN TALK ABOUT QUALIFICATIONS? YES.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO, THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON THESE FOLKS COMING IN.
SO THE, THE, THE ONES THAT WE PUT ON AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WERE IN, THEY OUTLINED THAT I PROVIDED, WE, WE'VE PROPOSED, I THINK WE'RE KEEPING ALL THAT, WE'RE ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS.
SO FIVE YEARS NOT SERVING IN ANY LEO AFFILIATED ORGANIZATION.
AND THAT'S FOR OR AGAINST ANY, ANYTHING RELATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WOULD BE CLEAT, MONO, AMIGA, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS IN THEIR, IN THEIR RESUME OR THEIR BACKGROUND.
SO WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT WANTING PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST COMING OUT OF SOMETHING RELATED TO POLICE.
NO IMMEDIATE RELATION TO ANY MEMBER OF K P D.
UH, THEY HAVE TO HAVE DEMONSTRATED A HISTORY OF RESTRAINT FROM BIAS FOR, AGAINST THE POLICE SO THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE BEEN A PART OF A DEFUND THE POLICE MOVEMENT OR BACK THE BLUE MOVEMENT, UH, THAT WOULD DISQUALIFY THEM FROM THE INDEPENDENCE, UH, AND THAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO SIGN AN OATH UPHOLDING THE ASPIRATIONS OF 7.06.
SO WE, WE WERE IN AGREEMENT ON ALL THOSE.
BUT WHAT WE ALSO SAID WAS, UH, BACKGROUND CHECKS.
SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS ANYONE, AND WE DIDN'T, I I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY SETTLED EXACTLY ON WHAT LEVEL WOULD DISQUALIFY OF, YOU KNOW, CLASS B MISDEMEANOR OR SAYING NO FELONIES OR CLASS A.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DISTINGUISH DISTINGUISHMENT HERE, BUT I'D LOVE FOR THE MAYBE THE POLICE TO GIVE SOME PROS AND CONS OF WHY THAT MIGHT WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO DRAW THE LINE.
BUT THAT, SO WHEN YOU APPLY A BACKGROUND CHECK WOULD BE CONDUCTED BEFORE THE INTERVIEW STAGE.
SO YOU HAVE TO CONSENT TO THAT ON YOUR APPLICATION.
MAY I THINK ANYTHING ABOVE A CLASSING MISDEMEANOR.
AND THEN WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ARREST ONLY OR CONVICTIONS OR, UH, EVEN JUST ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN CERTAIN CONDUCT THAT, THAT MIGHT DISQUALIFY SOMEBODY, WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED OR CHARGED WITH OR NOT.
YOU KNOW? SO I THINK ANYTHING ABOVE A CLASSING MISDEMEANOR FOR SOMETHING THAT THAT'S THIS DELICATE AND HAS SO MUCH OVERSIGHT OR INPUT, I THINK ANYTHING ABOVE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR SHOULD, INCLUDING THE CLASS C, CORRECT.
INCLUDING, NO, NOT NECESSARILY, NOT NECESSARILY A CLASSY MISDEMEANOR.
SO CLASS CS ARE VERY BOTTOM OF THE LIST.
BUT WAIT, CLASS CS DIFFER, THEY DIFFER, THEY'RE ARE CERTAIN CLASS CS THAT WE MIGHT NOT WANNA SEE.
UH, SURE THEY COULD, IF YOU WANT TO DIVE INTO THE VERY AN ASSAULT CHARGE, UH, SIMPLY, RIGHT.
I'M SAYING A STREET FIVE COULD BE, SO MAYBE CLASS C MINUS A SPEEDING TICKET OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS CLASS C THAT, I MEAN MORAL CLASS C I GUESS PUBLIC INTOXICATION, YOU KNOW, COULD BE CONSIDER.
SO I DON'T, OR IF THERE'S A LONG ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN 20 YEARS SINCE THEY'RE ARRESTED FOR PI LIKE THIS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS, IS SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE MOTIVE BIAS.
BUT ALSO THAT'S DO, WE'RE TRYING TO EXCLUDE BIAS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT'S, I DUNNO, IT'S NOT GIVING PEOPLE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT POTENTIALLY SHOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
THAT, BUT THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHO'S GONNA CONFIRM ALL THIS? LIKE, THE BACKGROUND WILL BE EASY, RIGHT? BUT WHO'S, AND IF WE'RE SAYING YOU DON'T CAN'T LIKE THE POLICE, BUT YOU CAN'T DISLIKE THE POLICE, BUT REALLY WHO'S GONNA BE FIT FOR THIS GROUP? YEAH.
THIS IS, I THINK WHEN WE NARROW IT LIKE THAT, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, OKAY, WELL I CAN HAVE MY CAT IN IT AND I CAN HAVE MY GOLDFISH IN IT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY ONES THAT WE KNOW DON'T HAVE A BITE EITHER WAY.
BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO PROVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SCOUR THE FACEBOOK AND SCOUR THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THESE GROUPS THAT ARE FOREIGN AGAINST AND CONFIRM THAT THIS, CAUSE IF NOT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA OPEN THE DOOR UP FOR SOME KIND OF DISCRIMINATORY PEOPLE MIGHT BE LIKE, WELL THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO, OR THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO MAKE SO MANY NARROWS, WHICH I THINK ARE NEEDED.
SO I'M, I'M ON THE FIVE YEAR TRAIN.
SO THAT'S WHERE FIVE YEARS ARE AFFILIATED.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYTHING IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IF THEY'VE GOT A, IF THEY'VE BEEN CLA ABOVE A CLASS C, UH, IF THEY'RE, IF THERE'S EVIDENCE, IT'S IF, IF EVIDENCE IS DISCOVERED OF BEING CLEARLY WITHIN THAT WINDOW HAVING AN AGENDA, WHETHER THAT'S ONLINE OR ELSEWHERE, THAT THAT WOULD BE DISQUALIFYING.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE OPINIONS.
IT'S, IT'S HOW THEY PURPORT THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF THEIR INDEPENDENCE.
JURORS HAVE INDEPENDENCE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO HOW ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE NOT BEEN SELECTED AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME SORT OF, IT'S INTERESTING.
WE'RE TRYING TO START SOMEWHERE TRYING TO GET TO THE STARTING LINE HERE.
SO MAYBE IF THAT COMES UP, WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
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MIGHT ADD, A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE CLARIFIED DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WHERE YOU SIT ONE TO ONE WITH THAT PERSON.THERE'S THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT'S GONNA BE FOLLOWED TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DOCUMENT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG YOU'VE IN KYLE, UNITED STATES IS AND SO FORTH.
BUT I THINK ONCE WE GET YOU ALL THESE QUESTIONS THAT WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, CLASS C, CLASS A, WHAT'S YOUR AGENDA? WHY ARE YOU APPLYING IT? I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO THE INTIMATE, UH, CONVERSATION WHEN YOU HAVE THE INTERVIEW AND, AND THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN REALLY ASK THE PERSON AND SAY, WE APPRECIATE YOU APPLYING FOR THIS POSITION.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR OVERALL GOAL WANTING TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE OR ON THIS COMMISSION? OKAY.
AGAIN, THIS IS, WE'LL GO INTO MORE ABOUT WHAT IT IS DATA DRIVEN ON THAT END.
SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE WAY WE'RE GONNA STOP USING THIS TYPE OF WEAPON OR WHATEVER.
IT'S, IT'S MAINLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE ROOTS OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS AND THEN BE ABLE TO HAVE THE GOALS AND THE MISSION STATEMENT ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THOSE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE IT'S AT TO SEE IF THIS IS A GOOD FIT FOR THAT PERSON OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YES, THIS IS THE PERSON WE REALLY NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF DATA INFORMATION SHARING.
CUZ IT WILL BE I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ONE-ON-ONE, LIKE YOUR OPINION CAN BE DIFFERENT FROM MY OPINION.
DIFFERENT FROM THEIR OPINIONS.
SO THERE'S KIND OF A FEAR IN THAT TOO.
LIKE, IT'S ALL GONNA BE, THIS IS ALL BASED, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THIS STUFF.
THIS STUFF IS REALLY, I MEAN, SOME OF IT'S FACTUAL, SOME OF IT IS GONNA BE INTERPRETATION.
AND SO WELL THAT'S WHAT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS FOR.
RIGHT? AND IF IT'S, IF THE PANEL OF PEOPLE IS AS, AS LAID OUT, THEN IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN CAUSE I, I THINK THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE, ARE MORE, UH, BASED AROUND ANTI-POLICE SENTIMENT.
AND SO IF WE'RE ALL PART OF A PANEL AND THERE'S REPRESENTATION, I THINK NONE OF US WANT BIAS IN ANY FORM.
SO, I MEAN, WE COULD SIT HERE FOR DAYS AND TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL SOURCES OF BIAS AND REALLY WALK AWAY SAYING, I, WHO REALLY RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS WHOLE PROCESS DIFFICULT.
SO I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE LEVELS OF TRUST BUILT IN BETWEEN ALL OF US SITTING HERE MM-HMM.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW.
AND, AND NOW THAT I KIND OF, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT MORE AND MORE EXAMPLES, I MEAN THERE'S, WE SERIOUSLY COULD SIT HERE FOR HOURS AND TALK ABOUT YES.
LIKE THE HIRING THING ALONE IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE WHO REALLY HAVE TO GET THE JOB OF THE INTERVIEW PANEL TO FILTER ALL THAT OUT.
YOU GOTTA BE TO FIND THAT COMPLETELY SANITIZED CITIZEN THAT HAS NO WORD.
SO JUST LIKE AN INTERVIEW BOARD FOR A JOB, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA DO THE JOB OF THE PANEL TO FILTER THROUGH ALL THAT AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND FOR THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE THE BEST RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THAT INDIVIDUAL'S ANSWERS.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, IF THIS IS GONNA BE A DATA DRIVEN THING AND IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER THE BUDGETING AND THE ANNUAL REPORT, THEN DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE A CPA IN THERE OR SOMEBODY KNOWS ABOUT BUDGET, THEY'RE REALLY GONNA LOOK AT THE BUDGET.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A BUDGET.
SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, BOARD IN THE PAST HAS HAD DIFFERENT ROLES FOR DIFFERENT SEATS, LIKE LARGE BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESS, UM, I THINK THIS ONE, ONE IS JUST CITIZENS WHO MAINTAIN INDEPENDENCE AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO SORT OF THE DATA AND HOW WE'RE PROCURING THAT DATA.
SO, OKAY, I'M GONNA JUST, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING.
AND UM, SO THE TASKS AND THE LIMITS SECTION, SO WE WERE, WE WERE ALL PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT ON THE, THE THREE TASKS, PRIMARY, SECONDARY, AND TERTIARY.
SO ONE, ONE, CAN I GO BACK TO THE RESTRICTIONS? OKAY.
I, THIS MIGHT SOUND IRONIC COMING FROM ME, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY AFFILIATION WITH THE POLITICAL PARTY IF THAT HASN'T BEEN STIPULATED ALREADY.
HOW? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT OUT.
FIND SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T VOTE.
THE REGISTERED VOTERS VOTING AND THEY'RE GONNA BE VOTING IN VOTING.
NO, I DON'T MEAN AFFILIATION IN THAT SENSE.
I MEAN AFFILIATION WITH LIKE SOMEONE WHO IS A PRECINCT CHAIR FOR A POLITICAL PARTY IN COUNTY PARTY.
AND I HAVE A COMMENT, A RESIDENT ACTUALLY MADE, UH, THE PERSON SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO RIDE ALONGS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.
AND B, A MEMBER HAVE HAD GONE THROUGH THE CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY.
WELL IT'S RESTRICTING OUR, UH,
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EXACTLY.I DON'T WANNA, IT'S LITERALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HAS NOT GONE THROUGH AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD THERE IS BEFORE PEOPLE CAN GET INTO OUR POLICE CARS, CUZ OF CJ'S STUFF, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK WITH US.
THAT DOES ELIMINATE PEOPLE PERHAPS WITH CERTAIN CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS.
THE, THE FEDERAL LAW AND STATE LAW MANDATES WHO CAN HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DATA AND IF THEY'RE IN THE CAR, THEY SEE THE COMPUTER.
SO IF WE PUT THAT, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT THEY COULD RESTRICT SOME OF YOUR APPLICANTS.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A BACKGROUND CHECK IS PART OF THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA.
AS LONG AS YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK IS IS FINE TUNED IS WHAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO RIDE IN THE CAR, THEN THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
IF YOUR EXCEPTIONS ALLOW THEM TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT OUR RULES ARE TIGHTER THAN THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RIDE THE CAR.
I THINK THE TIGHTER THE RULES ARE BETTER.
BUT I MEAN, IN ORDER TO GET IN TO, TO, TO BE A MEMBER SURE.
THEY'RE FILLING ON FIVE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
THAT WOULD QUALIFY IF YOU'RE REQUIRING THAT THEY HAVE HAD TWO RIDE ALONGS RESTRICTED.
I BET WE HAD PEOPLE, WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY IN THAT, IN THAT COMMITTEE THAT DOES NOT WANNA ACTUALLY BE A PART OF THE COMMITTEE AND SEE WHAT THE POLICE OFFICERS GO.
THINK ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GRADUATE FROM THE ACADEMY.
I MEAN THERE HAS BEEN HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.
SO LOOK, THEY CAN ALREADY QUALIFY, BUT CONSIDER THIS, IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE GRADUATED FROM THE KYLE POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI TO BE ON THIS, TO BE ON THIS PANEL, HOW ARE WE ALSO GOING TO SAY THIS IS A COMPLETELY NON-BIASED INDEPENDENT GROUP OF RESIDENTS WHO PARTICIPATE.
BUT IT COULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS TO, TO RESTRICT IT TO ONLY PEOPLE WHO'VE GONE THROUGH.
ONLY ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO GO THROUGH IT.
I HAVE ALREADY GONE BUT ARE WILLING TO GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE WHY? NOT? NOT BECAUSE THAT COULD OPEN YOUR MIND UP EITHER WAY.
WHAT ABOUT GOING THROUGH TRAINING FOR THE, UH, GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT HOLD POLICE ACCOUNTABLE THAT ARE ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THAT SPECTRUM? YEAH.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU JUST SAYING THAT IF THE PERSON IS SELECTED TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, THAT THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING? YEAH.
YOU JUST HAVE TO BE WILLING TO TRAINING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT YOU SHOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT.
WELL THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE DEFINITION OF THE WILLING, WELL I'M WILLING TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T WANT DO IT.
WELL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE CLASSES.
AND YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP BY THEN.
IF NOT, THEN YOU, THEN YOU ARE OUT.
THEN YOU JUST, WELL ALL RESIGN.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAINING MM-HMM.
THAT'S NO, I THINK YOU'RE OPENING YOUR MIND TO LIKE WHAT THEY REALLY GO THROUGH TO, TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY IS NOT TRAINING, IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL FORMAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE IT, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TRAINING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE ONLY TRAINING THAT A GOOD OVERSIGHT BOARD SHOULD HAVE.
I THINK THE LAWYER, THERE ARE OTHER FORMS OF TRAINING YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE THAT TO, TO HOLD A BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FOR CITIZENS TO JOIN POLICE FORCING.
SO WE CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT POLICING AND DATA, BUT THEN HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT CITIZENS HAVE TO QUALIFY BY BEING IN A, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE FORMING THE COMMITTEE.
IS THERE LEGAL? WELL YOU SET THE CRITERIA.
YOU SET THE CRITERIA FOR, UH, YOU SET THE CRITERIA FOR REQUIREMENTS APPOINTED TO THE BOARD.
AND SO THE COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE WHO'S WHAT THE QUALIFICATIONS ARE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THERE REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S JUST MY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT HURTS.
DOUBLE CHECK IS THE CRIMINAL CHECK.
UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORCE A 65 YEAR OLD TO GO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALSO WEEKS.
IF YOU CANNOT COMMIT TO GO AND THROUGH A TRAINING TO BE A PART OF THIS WORK, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE A PART OF SUNGA.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT FLEXIBILITY.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE PROGRAM UHHUH.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, MIGUEL, WE'RE BAD EXAMPLES.
SO WE CLEARLY SHOWED A LACK OF, UH, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF TIME THAT WE SPENT DOING THINGS DURING THE, THE FALL.
ASSISTANT CHIEF IS THERE, OR CHIEF IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD, UH, NOT MAKE THIS A 10 WEEK PROGRAM AND SOMEHOW CONDENSE IT TO, TO THAT PROGRAM? I DON'T THINK THAT PROGRAM, BUT WE COULD DESIGN, YOU DESIGN A PROGRAM THAT GIVES THEM AN OVERVIEW.
WE PROGRAM KNOCK IT IN HALF IT TOTAL OF HOURS AND IT'LL BE A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL.
THE HANDS ON WILL NOT BE AS INVOLVED IF WE CAN CERTAINLY DESIGN AN AN ORIENTATION PROGRAM.
WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING IS ORIENTATION.
WHAT I'M HEARING EVERYONE SAY IS THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THIS COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS AND THE MULTIFACETED.
UH, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
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UNDERSTAND THE, THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS AND THAT TAKES TIME.SO THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT THEM TO BE TRAINED ON.
BUT AS FAR AS A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM BEING ON THE BOARD, IT, IT REALLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH BEFOREHAND, UH, NOT WANTING TO HAVE, BECAUSE THE, NOT ONLY TO HAVE ANY BIAS AHEAD OF TIME.
I'M WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAYING THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A PART OF THEIR MEETINGS.
LIKE LITERALLY YOU CAN HAVE THEIR SCHEDULED WORKSHOP MEETINGS BE EDUCATIONAL MEETINGS WHERE YOU TAKE THEM AND TEACH THEM EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON.
I THINK ORIENTATION IS A GOOD WORD.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP.
BUT THAT HAVE TO BE IN THE SCOPE OF THIS BLOOD MIX IS WHAT I I THINK IT SHOULD.
AND I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BIAS AND EDUCATION.
I THINK EDUCATING YOURSELF DOESN'T MAKE YOU BIASED.
IT MAKES YOU EDUCATED AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND MORE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WANTS BIAS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS EDUCATION.
THE MORE INFORMATION YOU HAVE, THE THE BETTER OFF YOU'RE GONNA REPRESENT THAT COMMITTEE.
ARE WE GONNA DIFFERENTIATE THEM GETTING EDUCATED ON OUR SIDE AND THEY DECIDE, WELL I ALSO WANNA GET EDUCATED ON THESE ANTI-POLICE GROUPS.
SO HOW DO, HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE WHAT? I JUST THINK, BUT IT'S NOT, LOOK, THEY COULD GO THROUGH YOUR WHOLE PROGRAM AND YOUR LITTLE ORIENTATION AND STILL NOT BE PRO-POLICE.
THEY COULD JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS DO.
THE ORIENTATION IS REQUIREMENT.
THEY GO THROUGH SOME TYPE OF ACADEMY.
NOT THAT WE COULD CREATE ONE, LIKE A LITTLE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.
THE PANEL, IT JUST HAPPENS OF ORIENTATION IS PART OF THE PROCESS.
WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT LONGER THAN JUST A DAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PROGRAM THAT THEY ORIENTATION IN ORDER TO, BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN START.
IS THAT DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO CREATE A PROGRAM? WELL, WE NEED, WE'RE TRYING TO OUTLINE MANY DIFFERENT POINTS AND SCOPES AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL OF THAT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE OUTLINED.
SO I'M HOPING STAFF IS TAKING NOTES PAGE, YOU TAKING NOTES.
BUT I THINK THE PROGRAM, IF THEY ARE GONNA LISTEN TO A PROGRAM TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT POLICING AND ITS CURRENT, IT SHOULD HAVE BOTH SIDES INCLUDED.
EDUCATION, PERFECT EDUCATION, EXCESSIVE FORCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.
I, I THINK OVERALL GUYS, WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HEARING SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THEY NEED TO BE DOING THE POLICE ACADEMY AND IT'S REQUIRED THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING THAT ON THEIR OWN IF THEY WANT TO, TO, IT'S THEIR FREEDOM OF CHOICE TO DO THAT.
UH, I THINK WHAT THE, THE WHOLE CONVERSATION OR THE WHOLE PROJECT IS IN A NUTSHELL IS JUST TO DO AN ORIENTATION ABOUT KYLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE YEARS WHEN IT WAS FOUNDED, WHO WAS THE FIRST CHIEF, WHEN WAS IT MOVED FROM HERE TO THERE TO THERE.
JUST THE BASICS OF WHAT THE OHIO POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS CHAIN OF COMMAND AND SO FORTH ON THAT.
JUST AN OVERALL VIEW OF WHAT THE POLICE IS.
THEN IF YOU WANT TO ADD A LITTLE ASPECTS OF THEIR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
THE DEPARTMENTS THAT'S DEPARTMENT WHICH HISTORY EXACTLY.
NO, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
IT'S IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THIS COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE WHEN WE DID WITH THE INTERVIEWS WITH THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN COMING TO THE LIBRARY? DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE LIBRARY'S AT? SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
IT'S JUST THOSE, THAT TYPE OF THING WHERE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT EDUCATION.
BUT IF YOU ARE REQUIRING THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A 40 HOUR CLASS NO.
SO YOU, WHEN WE GET THIS DATABASE, ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT'S HERE, I AGREE WITH THAT.
THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ON THAT END, THIS IS, IT SAYS NOTHING IN HERE ON IT.
IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S, IT'S TO PROVIDE THE OPERATING POLICIES AND STRATEGIES.
SO LET ME ASK SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SITTING IN HERE.
ANY OF YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS POLICE ACADEMY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF GOING THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY? WHAT YOU DO? YOU, DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING USEFUL? YES.
YOU DO LEARN, IT'S A LONG PROCESS EVERY DAY.
I MEAN, ONCE A WEEK YOU DO LEARN A LOT BECAUSE YOU SEE EVERY, YOU SEE DETECTIVES, YOU SEE MESSAGES, YOU SEE EVIDENCE, YOU SEE, UH, THE PEOPLE ON THE 9 1 1 CALLS DOWN THERE, THEY SHOULD MAYBE GO SIT THERE FOR FOUR HOURS AND YOU, YOU LEARN A WHOLE LOT SITTING IN THERE, LISTENING UP.
SO YEAH, YOU LEARN A, YOU LEARN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT ABOUT POLICE WORK AND WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE WRITE OUTS.
YOU GIVE AN IDEA WHEN THEY MAKE A SPLIT, HOW DO YOU EVEN, HOW, HOW WOULD A COMMITTEE MEMBER TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK A POLICY SHOULD CHANGE IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POLICY? NO, I AGREE.
AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS EDUCATION.
NOT, HEY, YOU'RE, LET'S PUSH YOU TO BE PRO-POLICE.
JUST EDUCATE WHY THEY DO THE THINGS THEY DO.
SO WHEN THEY COME TOGETHER AS A GROUP, OKAY, THEY'RE NOT, WE ALL AGREED THAT A SOLID ORIENTATION IS A PART OF THIS.
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LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT POINT.I'M NO ONE'S DISAGREEING HERE.
EVERYBODY'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE SAME POINT OVER AND OVER.
SO THE TASKS OF THE, UH, THE BOARD WOULD BE PRIMARY, SECONDARY, AND TERTIARY.
THIS IS, THESE ARE LIFTED DIRECTLY FROM THE CHARTER LANGUAGE.
SO BY FULFILLING THESE THREE TASKS, THEY FULFILL THE CHARTER.
NUMBER ONE TO OVERSEE THE COMPILATION AND PUBLISHING OF THE ANNUAL REPORT REPORT.
NOW, IS THAT WHAT THEY DO EVERY, IS THAT WHAT CHIEF HAS DONE EVERY YEAR THE LAST TWO YEARS? IS IT GONNA BE, CAN IT BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THEY'RE IN THE REPORT.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS YEAR, UM, THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL WHO ALL GAVE US A POSITION THAT IS SERVES IN THE DIVISION.
THEIR JOB IS TO HELP ME WITH ALL THE FACTS AND FIGURES AND NUMBERS AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS TO PREPARE BUDGETS AND TO OPERATE THE DEPARTMENT.
WE NOW HAVE THAT POSITION IN PLACE.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN EXPANDED NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN KYLE PDS HISTORY.
BEAUTIFUL ANNUAL REPORT WITH MORE DATA THAN YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO ABSORB.
SO CAN WE HAVE THE BOARD LOOK AT THAT REPORT AND KIND OF LIKE GO THROUGH IT AND THEY CAN, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE WAY THE CHARTER IS, IS WRITTEN IS THAT WE E ESTABLISHED THE COMMITTEE BY ORDINANCE AND THE ORDINANCE CREATES THE ANNUAL REPORT.
WE NEVER ACTUALLY GAVE ANY DIRECTION TO CREATE IT.
IT'S NOT, I'M SURE IT'S FANTASTIC, BUT IT'S, IT DID NOT ORGANICALLY COME FROM, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE CREATING THE SCOPE, THE SCOPE BEING APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, THEN THE COMMITTEE GOING BACK AND WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO, TO DRAFT IT OUT.
SO I DON'T WANT THE TAIL TO WAG THE DOGS.
WHERE IT'S LIKE, OH, THIS IS THE REPORT AND THERE'S NO REAL NEED FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
SO I I I'M PART OF ME WANTS TO LIKE NOT EVEN HAVE US LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO GET, I DON'T WANT US TO GET IN THAT THOUGHT PROCESS OF THIS IS WHAT THE POLICE WOULD GIVE US IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS COMMITTEE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SAY SO IN HOW THAT DOCUMENT WAS CREATED.
CAUSE NONE OF US HAD ANY, ANY SAY SO IN THE CREATION OF THAT DOCUMENT.
SO I'M JUST, MY POINT WOULD BE TO SAY, LET'S CREATE THIS COMMITTEE AND THAT COMMITTEE CAN LOOK AT THAT REPORT, BUT I DON'T WANT THE WORK TO HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THAT REPORT AND JUST RUBBER STAMP IT.
I THINK WE, I THINK THAT'S DONE ANYTHING WITH ALL THIS EFFORT.
I THINK AS COUNSEL WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT FOR ALL OF OUR MEANS, WELL COME IN HERE WITH OUR OWN IDEAS AND WE BRING IT OUT, PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE AND LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT.
AND THEN THEY CAN TELL THE POLICE THAT THEY WANT SCENE.
SO THE SCOPE OF THE REPORT SHOULD BE PREPARED WITHIN THE, SO THIS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO THE OUTLINE OF HOW THIS THING GETS CREATED.
THE SCOPE OF THE REPORT SHOULD BE PREPARED WITHIN THE FIRST QUARTER AFTER THE BOARD IS FORMED AND SEATED.
SO WE'RE NOT WORKING ON THE REPORT YET.
WE'RE NOT EVEN WORKING ON THE SCOPE.
THE FIRST THING WE DO IS SEAT THE BOARD, THEN THEY WORK ON THE SCOPE AND THEY HAVE A QUARTER TO DO IT.
THEN THE SCOPE WOULD BE FOCUSED ON KPD AND SHOULD NOT BE DRIVEN BY, AND SHOULD BE DRIVEN BY LOCALIZED OPERATIONAL FINANCIAL DATA.
NOT NATIONAL DATA OR POLITICAL NARRATIVE.
HE'S RECENT POINT THAT THE SCOPE THAT WE'RE TELLING THEM TO, TO DEVELOP IS FOCUSED ON WHAT THEY'RE LEARNING ABOUT KPD AND WHAT THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY DON'T CURRENTLY KNOW.
AND THEN IT SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL AND HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL BEFORE THEY CAN PROCEED TO THE CREATION OF THE ACTUAL ANNUAL REPORT.
SO AT NO POINT CAN THEY GET OUT AHEAD OF US.
WE'RE GIVING THEM A ONE TASK, THEY MUST COMPLETE THAT TASK AND BRING IT BACK TO US.
WE WILL REVIEW IT AND WE WILL MAKE A VOTE TO APPROVE THAT SCOPE.
AND THEN THEY GO BACK, UH, TO WORK WITH, UH, WITH THEIR DELEGATION WITH THE STAFF TO, TO CREATE IT.
SO I'M TRYING TO JUST SORT OF PRETEND LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A CURRENT REPORT, I'M TRYING TO JUST PRETEND LIKE IT DOESN'T EXIST, WHICH I KNOW MAY SOUND BAD, BUT IT'S NOT INTENDED BAD AT ALL.
IT'S JUST SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO FULFILL CROP THAT.
SO IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? DEVELOP THE SCOPE.
SCOPE MUST COME BACK TO US BY ORDINANCE.
THEN THEY START WORKING ON THE ANNUAL REPORT AND THAT IS THEIR PRIMARY TASK.
THAT'S THE MAIN REASON THAT THEY EXIST IS FOR THIS REPORT.
THE SECONDARY TASK WOULD BE TO OVERSEE QUARTERLY PRESSED BRIEFINGS, NEWSPAPER PUBLISHING AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.
THIS IS NOT TO CLARIFY WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS, THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT THIS BOARD OVERSEES THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT ALL.
THIS IS TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE EVERY QUARTER THAT THEY PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THEIR WORK AND WHATEVER DATA THEY WANNA PROVIDE QUARTERLY.
AND THAT, THAT GETS PRESSED, UH, PUT, PUT OUT IN, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THE PRESS.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONCE PER QUARTER.
THIS OR OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS PUTTING OUT A BRIEFING ESSENTIALLY.
SO, UH, BY DOING THAT, WE FULFILL THAT PIECE OF THE CHARTER QUARTER, QUARTER ONE, QUARTER TWO, QUARTER THREE.
THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE PATTERNS WITHIN THE CITY.
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A, IT'S, AND IT'S SORT OF IN, IN CONCERT WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT.THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS QUARTER.
IT, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT WE'RE HEADING AN AUDIT OF TO SAY LIKE, HOW COULD WE BE BETTER IN PRESS FREE THINGS OR MESSAGING TO THE PUBLIC OR SO LIKE UTILIZING SOCIAL MEDIA OR INCIDENTS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE CITY.
ARE WE TALKING LIKE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? I TOOK IT LIKE DOING THIS UPDATE HERE, CITIZENS, HERE'S WHAT YOUR COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN DOING THIS CORNER.
JUST AN UPDATE FOR THE REST OF THE CITY TO KNOW HERE'S WHAT THE, HERE'S WHAT THIS GROUP HAS BEEN DOING IN PREPARATION FOR THE, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE A RECAP.
YEAH, WELL PERHAPS THEY COULD ALSO, I, I DON'T
BUT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD, THEY COULD GIVE AN UPDATE ON STATS.
WHAT IF WE HAD THE LAST 90 DAYS IN COLLEGE? I SAW THAT BEING 400 CAR RATES OR WHATNOT.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT MEANT TO DRIVE NARRATIVE.
IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO BE RECAP FOCUSED.
IT IT'S ALSO TO GET DATA EVERY QUARTER TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
IF WE'RE HAVING MORE ACCIDENTS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE TOWN, IF WE'RE HAVING MORE BURGLARIES, IF WE HAVE ANY MORE ISSUES IN NEIGHBORHOODS TO WHERE HOAS AL WE COULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IN A PATTERN TO WHERE IT'S LIKE MAYBE THESE ARE IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE, OR MAYBE WE NEED THIS, THE POLICE CAN SEE IT.
OR THE, THE RESIDENTS CAN SEE EVERY THREE MONTHS WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY AS FAR AS TRAFFIC PATTERNS, CONSTRUCTION ZONES AND PATTERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DELAYS, IT'S ALL DATA DRIVEN BASED ON THAT.
SO IT'D BE, THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER WOULD BE TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ON.
WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT, HOW IS THAT HELPING US GET BETTER? WELL I THOUGHT LIKE IN THE FOCUS WE MORE INFORMATION ON OUTREACH PROGRAMS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY YOUTH INITIATIVES.
HOW ARE THESE RELATIONSHIPS, HOW DO WE GET BETTER RELATIONSHIPS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WASN'T THAT WHAT THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS FOR, TO EXTRACT THAT IN RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COMMUNITY SO THAT WE KNOW DATA DRIVENS LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS IF, IF WE COULD BE BETTER.
OKAY, THERE'S AN ISSUE, LIKE I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE CONTEXT OF WHAT IT IS, BUT SOMETHING TAKES PLACE AND WE REALIZE AFTER THE FACT THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING BETTER AND OR THIS COMMITTEE IT LIKE EVALUATES AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL THIS COULD'VE BEEN MESSAGED BETTER TO THE PUBLIC.
WE SHOULD HAVE UTILIZED SOCIAL MEDIA BETTER TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO PEOPLE FASTER.
THAT THOSE, LIKE, TO ME, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL WANT TO BE DOING.
AND IT'S NOT AN INDICTMENT OF ANYONE.
IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF OVERSIGHT AND I HATE THAT WORD, BUT CUZ IT SHOULD BE A COLLABORATION OF IMPROVEMENT.
SO I GUESS LIKE, YES, THE, THE WHOLE IDEA HERE IS TO GET, IS TO HAVE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE EVOLVING AS THE COMMUNITY EVOLVES.
AND TO ME, LIKE I DON'T EVEN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE COULD LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE YOU'RE NOT, IS IS THIS BEING A BAD THING? BUT IF WE'RE JUST SAYING LIKE I, I CAN RUN A REPORT OF DATA FOR MY CLIENTS ALL DAY AND JUST SAY, HERE'S YOUR DATA, BUT THEY DON'T PAY ME FOR THAT.
THEY PAY ME TO ANALYZE THE DATA AND TO TELL THEM HOW THEY COULD BE BETTER FROM THE DATA USING WHAT I KNOW.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF PUTTING TOGETHER THIS, THIS PANEL IS TO REALIZE NOT TO SO WRIST SLAP, BUT TO SAY WE COULD BE BETTER IN THESE WAYS.
WHETHER IT'S THROUGH PUBLICATION, THROUGH INTERNET, THROUGH WHATEVER.
IT'S TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL MAYBE WE NEED TO DESIGN A PROGRAM TO WHERE IF THERE IS A TRAFFIC ALERT THAT EVERYBODY GETS NOTIFIED VERSUS HAVING TO LOOK FACEBOOK OR SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN AN HOUR AGO.
IF YOU'RE IN THIS AREA AND YOU'RE GETTING AN AUTOMATIC MESSAGE ON YOUR PHONE, HEY, AN ACCIDENT'S OFF OF ONE OFF OF A ONE 50 WHATEVER.
AND IT'S JUST GETTING THAT KIND OF DATA, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
IT'S JUST THAT, THAT YES, I AGREE.
THAT'S WHAT AGREE OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT IS DOING ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE NOT GIVING US, THEY'RE NOT GIVING US NARRATIVE, UH, WITH THE DATA.
WE'RE JUST GETTING A REPORT OF, OF INFORMATION OF STATISTICS.
LIKE HERE'S HOW MANY COMMENTS, HERE'S HOW MANY LIKES.
AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY ADVANCING STRATEGY OF HOW COMMUNI, WE'RE NOT TELLING COMMUNICATIONS HOW TO DO THEIR JOB, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S STAFF'S JOB.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DATA DRIVEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, THIS SUBDIVISION HAD THIS MANY BREAK-INS OR LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND SO THAT WAY THIS WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SAYING THIS, YOU KNOW, POST OAK HAS THIS MANY, SO NOW COOL SPRINGS IS AWARE OR THAT BROOKSIDE IS AWARE AND THAT WE'RE BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER AND JUST NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THE DIRTINESS OF IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT MANY TIMES THE CITY DON'T WANNA SAY, HEY, THERE WAS A MURDER AT WHEREVER.
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INFORMATION IS IMPERATIVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO KNOW JUST TO MAKE EACH OTHER AWARE AND, AND TO BE ON GARDEN, LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER.SO I THINK MAYBE LIKE STATS FOR SUBDIVISIONS OR STATS FOR LIKE CERTAIN THINGS.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK, I DON'T DON'T THINK ABOUT ROAD CLOSURES AS IMPORTANT.
LIKE THERE IS SOME, THERE'S STUFF THAT IS MEANT FOR COMMUNICATIONS AND THERE'S STUFF THAT IS MEANT FOR THE POLICE.
AND THIS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CAN KNOW WHAT THE UGLINESS IS AND THEN BE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO SAY HOW MANY TIMES, YOU KNOW, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GOT BROKEN INTO YOU READ IT ALL THE TIME ON FACEBOOK ANYWAYS, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT IT OUT? I, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THE COMMUNICATION AND SOCIAL MEDIA REPORTS NEED TO BE IS LIKE, THIS IS QUARTERLY, THIS IS HOW MANY BREAK-INS, ACCIDENTS, DUIS, WHATEVER THE CITY HAD.
AND THESE ARE THE MOST AFFECTED AREAS.
YEAH, I AGREE THAT THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT'S WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL COME INTO WHERE THE POLICE WOULD COME BACK OR THEY WOULD SAY, OKAY, WHERE CAN WE REESTABLISH REALLOCATE? WE NEED MORE UNITS IN THIS AREA AT SPECIFIC TIMES WE'RE SEEING MORE, WE'RE PULLING OVER MORE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF IDEA SCHOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE OFFICER THAT CAN ONLY PATROL THAT AREA.
MAYBE WE NEED TO DOUBLE UP MORE AND JUST BASICALLY DO IT AS THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
AND IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT SEEMS TEDIOUS, BUT IT'S, NO, IT'S NOT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THAT SOUNDS INFORMATION BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IN THE PAST WHEN WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ARE LIKE, WHY WASN'T I NOTIFIED? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? THIS CAME OUT UH, TWO DAYS AGO.
THIS HAPPENED EIGHT HOURS AGO.
IT'S GETTING THAT INFORMATION AND GETTING IT IN REAL TIME INTO PEOPLE IN THE RESIDENCE.
AND THAT WAY IT ALSO HELPS THE, MY OPINION ALSO THE KYLE POLICE TO BE ABLE TO SAY HOW ELSE WE CAN UTILIZE THE INFORMATION FROM JUST LIKE, JUST THIS SECTION.
THAT'S ALL THAT IS TOTALLY FINE.
BUT THE, THE PREMISE OF THE THE FIRST THING YOU SAID I THINK WAS OVERSEE PRESS BRIEFING SOMETHING ELSE, AND THEN SOCIAL MEDIA.
THAT'S JUST LITERALLY THE WORDS IN THE CHARTER.
SO I'M TRYING TO TAKE THE WORDS IN THE CHARTER AND IF YOU THINK OF, IF SOMETHING COMES TO THE POINT WHERE THERE IS A PRESS BRIEFING FOR IT, THIS IS TO ME WOULD BE, IT'S SOMETHING OF HIGH IMPORTANCE.
CUZ WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS MISCOMMUNICATION? WHAT'S THE FIRST THING AND BREAKS DOWN? COMMUNICATION.
AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRUST THAT IF THERE IS THAT, IF WE LOOK AT SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT AND SAY, OH, WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT BETTER, THAT IT WASN'T DONE BETTER THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE SOMEONE CHOSE TO DO IT POORLY.
IT'S BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALIZE SOMETHING AT THE TIME AND WE'RE SEEING IT NOW.
SO I THINK WE CAN GET BETTER IN DOING IT.
WELL, SO THIS ISN'T LIKE I'M JUST, THE DATA IS ONE THING AND THAT, THAT THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
I I JUST DON'T, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S PUSHBACK OVER SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REALLY SIMPLE AND JUST THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY IS TRUST.
THE REASON THIS GOT ON THE BALLOT IS CUZ OF A LACK OF TRUST WITH POLICING.
AND THE CLEARLY THE PEOPLE SPOKE FOR THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE THIS.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS ISN'T TELLING THEM HOW TO, TO POLICE.
THIS IS SAYING AFTER THE FACT WE ARE LOOKING AT DATA, WE ARE LOOKING AT COMMENTS, WE ARE LOOKING AT SEE WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
SO EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO DE ARE, ARE THEY GOING TO BE MANAGING THE FACEBOOK POST AND SEE WHAT THE NO, THIS IS AFTER THE FACT.
THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T SOMEONE ME SITTING BY WHO DOES SOCIAL MEDIA? WELL CHIEF THIS ISN'T ME SITTING NEXT TO RACHEL OR CHIEF AND BEING LIKE SLAPPING THEM ON THE WRIST AND BE LIKE, YOU COULD HAVE USED A WORD BETTER.
THIS IS AFTER THE FACT OF US EVALUATING DOING, UH, LIKE AN AFTER ACTION REPORT.
IT, IT CLEARLY HAS TO BE AFTER THE FACT IN THAT WORD OVERSIGHT OF, OF PRESS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I FINALLY GOT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WHEN YOU SAID IT THAT WAY AND AFTER THE FACT REVIEW.
OF THE, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO GIVE THIS COM? DO WE WANT TO EMPOWER THE COMMITTEE IN THAT WAY TO LOOK, I, I MEAN I THINK A PART OF US LESSONS LEARNED.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
CAN I GET ONE OF YOUR, ONE OF Y'ALL'S OPINIONS ON THIS? WELL HERE YEAH.
PRESS BRIEFING CAN'T BE OVERSEEN BY THIS COMMITTEE.
NOT THEY, THEY GOTTA BE REAL TIME.
AND ONLY CERTAIN INFORMATION CAN BE GIVEN OUT AND SHE WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CERTIFICATION PART AND THAT STUFF HAS TO GO OUT LIKE THAT.
THIS IS LIKE THE QUARTERLY REPORT HAS TO BE AFTERWARDS.
AND YEAH, BUT THAT WORD RIGHT THERE IS OVERSIGHT OF THE PRESS BRIEFING.
THAT'S, YEAH, MAYBE THEY CAN ANALYZE, OH, YOU'VE DONE THIS OR YOU CAN COULD HAVE DONE THAT.
SO I TOOK THE WORD FROM THE CHARTER AND I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THE MISTAKE IS THAT WAS THE WORD IN THE CHARTER THAT, AND I SHOULD HAVE USED AFTER ACTION REPORTS, BUT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT AFTER THE FACT, YOU KNOW, I WAS, THE PREMISE WAS
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HOW CAN WE GET BETTER AFTER THE FACT OF LIKE LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED AND EVALUATING WHAT HAPPENED AND THEN GIVING THAT FEEDBACK.SO MAY I MADE A, A RECOMMENDATION THAT MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE COULD ENGAGE WITH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY AND THEN SEE HOW THEY WANT TO ENGAGE WITH BREAK-INS OR REPORTS AFTER THE FACT TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF IT.
IN PARTICULAR WITH LIKE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
LIKE IF, IF EACH MEMBER ENGAGES WITH HOA MEMBERS, UM, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECEIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE QUARTERLY, HOW WE DID INTO SAFETY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? NOT ACTUALLY, UM, IT SAYS IN HERE THE PRESS RELEASE OR SOCIAL MEDIA.
WELL, I'M JUST, THAT'S WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
YOU HAVE TO INTERPRET WHAT THAT SCOPE IS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE PRIMARY IS THERE'S A ANNUAL REPORT THAT'S THE TASK SECONDARY OR LEAST QUARTERLY OVERSIGHT OF PRESS BRIEFINGS LANGUAGE.
WE'RE TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT THAT IS.
I DON'T, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT NECESSARILY IT LOOKS LIKE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING MORE OF A DATA DRIVEN APPROACH WHERE EVERY QUARTER WE'RE GETTING UPDATES ON THE DATA, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TO COUNCIL HEIS REPORT.
THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT IT SAYS.
IT, IT HAS, YOU KNOW, SAYING, UH, HAVING A REVIEW OF THE COURT OF THE QUARTER'S PRESS BRIEFINGS AND PROVIDING SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.
BUT WHAT, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF IS ALLOWING FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO BE ISSUING, UH, FLASH BANG REPORTS EVERY QUARTER THAT, THAT ARE REALLY GET AWAY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE THERE'S, THEY'RE CRITICIZING A POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, AN AFTER ACTION REPORT AND THEN ALSO AFTER ACTION REPORTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S UNDER THE, SOME OF THEM ARE, THAT'S UNDER THE OFFICE OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
SO THERE'S, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TRAIN THAN THE ACTUAL POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OPERATIONS IS THE AFTER ACTION REPORTS, BUT THAT'S NOT AFTER ACTION REPORT'S, NOT IN THE CHARTER.
SO PRESS BRIEFINGS, NEWSPAPER PUBLISHING, SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, THOSE, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE CHARTER FOR THEM TO REVIEW.
BUT I DON'T WANT THEM MAKING PUBLIC PUBLISHING PUBLIC DOCUMENTS TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT IT GOING THROUGH US FIRST.
THIS IS US DOING THIS PANEL, DOING AN AFTER ACTION REPORT OF SE, OF SOMETHING OF, OF CIRCUMSTANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH RACHEL BEFORE AND GET, AND HANDING OUT, UH, LIKE A PRINTOUT OF LIKE ALL THIS, ALL THE STATISTICS ON PERFORMANCE.
WE KNOW WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE SPENDING TIME USING THIS PLATFORM OR USING THIS PLATFORM.
THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE IN OUR CITY ARE RESPONSIVE TO TEXT MESSAGES.
UH, WHEN IN TERM, IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES OR FACEBOOK OR, SO YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE COMMUNI COMMUNICATION? YES, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IN LA IN GOING BACK TO THE PRESS, PRE FREQUENCY IS, IF WE CAN, WE CAN, EVERYTHING COULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ABOVE BOARD.
BUT IF WE SLIP UP AND USE THE WRONG WORD ONE TIME, IT THAT BREAK DOWN COMMUNICATION MCCORMACK TRUST.
SO GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, YES, MA'AM, MCCORMICK HAD A, UH, AN ISSUE THEY WERE PUBLISHING ON WHERE THEY WENT, WENT INTO LOCK OUT, NOT LOCK DOWN.
AND APPARENTLY THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE WORDS.
AND THEY HAD TO CORRECT IT, AND PEOPLE WERE FREAKING OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
NOW, WHETHER, I DON'T KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE USE OF A WORD CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, THAT WOULD, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN, IN HINDSIGHT TO YES.
COMMUNICATION WHEN IT COMES TO PRINCIPLE ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE THAT ARE GOING TO THE LEVEL OF A PRESS BRIEFING FOR, SO THE REVIEW IS OF THE MESSAGE BEING SENT AND WAS IT A GOOD MESSAGE OR TIMELY OR WHATNOT? OR IS THE REVIEW OF THE ACTION TAKEN BY THE OFFICER WITH BOOTS ON THE GROUND, 0%.
THE SECOND THING YOU JUST SAID, A HUNDRED PERCENT, THE FIRST SUPER SPECIFIC THOUGH, I THINK THE IDEA IS NOT TO BE SO SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS INCIDENT, THAT INCIDENT.
IT'S, THE IDEA IS, YEAH, I STILL DO EVERY SIX, EVERY QUARTER.
BUT ALSO PART OF THEIR PURVIEW IS TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON HOW EFFECTIVE OUR COMMUNICATION IS WITH THE, WITH THE CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT ALL THE THINGS WE DID OR DIDN'T DO.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK TO THE, TO THE DEPARTMENT AND TO THE CITY IS HOW WELL WE HAVE DONE THAT, WHAT WE COULD DO TO APPROVE THAT.
IT'S AN OVERVIEW OF BIG, BROADER, YES.
SO IS THIS COMMITTEE EVERY QUARTER, UH, PRODUCING A PUBLIC FACING DOCUMENT? OR IS THIS COMMITTEE PROVIDING, UH, UH, EMAIL, UH, SOMETHING THEY VOTE ON THAT COMES TO THE COUNCIL ON EMAIL? AND IS COUNCIL HAVING TO ACCEPT THAT IN THE FORM OF A VOTE? OR IS IT, DOES, DOES IT HAVE TO GET PUBLISHED IN SOME WAY? I'M JUST ASKING.
THEY MAY COME AND SPEAK EVERY QUARTER TO COUNCIL AND JUST GIVE US A REPORT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ACCEPT THE REPORT.
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I THINK JUST THIS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.IS THIS JUST GENERALLY SPEAK LIKE GENERALITY? I'M, SO MY THE TERTIARY TASK, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S KEEP ALL THAT WE'VE JUST SAID IN OUR, IN OUR THINKING.
THE TERTIARY TASK WOULD BE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL REGARDING ANY CHANGES IN STANDARD OPERATING POLICIES AND RESOURCE DISTRIBUTION STRATEGIES.
NOW HOW WE INTERPRET WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
SO AGAIN, HIERARCHY IS FIRST THEY OVER OVERSEE, UH, THE COMPILATION OF THE ANNUAL REPORT.
THEN SECONDARILY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A QUARTERLY TASK RELATED TO SOCIAL MEDIA PRESS BRIEFINGS.
AND THEN THIRD, THE THIRD COMPONENT IS IN THE ANNUAL REPORT, THERE IS GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATIONS COMPONENT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY CAN TAKE VOTES AS A COMMITTEE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ONCE WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH ALL OF THIS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, BASED ON EVERYTHING THEY'VE GATHERED AND WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.
SO FIRST IT SHOULD BE MADE ONCE ANNUALLY AND MEMORIALIZED IN WRITING IN THE REPORT THAT THEY, UH, VOTE ON.
SO THIS IS NOT A, UH, SOMETHING HAPPENED.
AND SO THEY'RE COMING TO US OR WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO KNOW, WE'RE NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN, IN TIMES PAST, LIKE, WE WANT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING, OR MAYBE THE PARKS BOARD SELF INITIATES A RECOMMENDATION TO US.
AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS ONCE ANNUALLY MEMORIALIZED IN THE REPORT.
THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT THEY CAN COME TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND THEY SHALL.
SO IT'S, IT'S BOTH A, A LIMITATION AND AN EMPOWERMENT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
BECAUSE WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD AVOID IS KNEE-JERK REACTIONS TO POLITICAL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
AND CERTAINLY, UH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE REVIEWING INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS.
ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IT, NOTHING WITH INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS.
NONE OF THAT KIND OF STUFF'S BASED ON THE COMPILATION OF THE DATA.
AND SO THE SECOND THING IS THAT THEY MUST BE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE SUPPORTED BY LOCAL DATA PRODUCED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT.
SO IF IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE ANNUAL REPORT SPEAKS TO IN VOLUME, THEN IT IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY CAN MAKE.
THEY'RE NOT JUST THROWING RANDOM RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT SHOULD BE EVIDENT EVIDENCE BY THE DATA THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING IN THE REPORT THAT THIS CHANGE SHOULD BE MADE.
AND YOU COULD DO THAT BY EVERY QUARTER.
AND THEN AT THE FINAL, AT THE VERY END OF THE YEAR, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WOULD BRING INTO COUNCIL FOR ANY KIND OF, ANY REC, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND SO WHETHER IT'S IN A WORKSHOP FORM OR IS IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING? I WOULD SAY AT A COUNCIL MEETING, IT'D BE ONCE A YEAR.
THEY WOULD PRESENT ONCE A YEAR, PRESENT IT TO US, PRESENT IT TO US, AND WE WOULD SEE THE CHAIR, WHAT IT WAS, AND WE'D MAKE WHAT, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY BRING FOR IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE ONLY HEARING FROM THEM ONCE A YEAR, EVERY QUARTER, EVERY QUARTER, THEY'RE GONNA OKAY.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PRESENT WHAT'S GOING ON EVERY QUARTER.
AGAIN, THAT'S MORE THAN WE HEAR FROM MOST OF OUR, I WAS GONNA GOOD WITH LIKE TWICE A YEAR HEADED BOARD, COME BACK WAITING FOR MY BOARD'S THING TO COME BACK, BUT IT'LL COME ONE DAY.
UH, BUT YEAH, YOU DO IT EVERY QUARTER TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS OUR CITIES.
KNOW, LIKE WE'RE HAVING, AND WITH THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, SECURITY ISSUES WE'RE HAVING, WHETHER IT'S SOLICITATIONS, WHETHER IT'S, UH, BURGLARIES, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR CORRECT.
IS WHERE WE WOULD FINALIZE ALL FOUR QUARTERS.
ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CHAIR OR THE COMMITTEES WOULD BRING IN? SO THE VOTE, I THINK THE VOTE THAT WE WOULD TAKE WOULD ONLY BE ONCE A YEAR.
AND IT WOULD NOT BE TO IMPLEMENT OR NOT IMPLEMENT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT WOULD JUST BE TO ACCEPT THE REPORT REPORT, UH, OR TO SEND IT BACK FOR MORE DATA.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S LIKE MAYBE THEY'VE GOT A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS, SOME OF THEM ARE PRACTICAL, SOME OF THEM ARE IMPRACTICAL.
THAT'S WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GONNA DO.
BY THE WAY, IT'S GONNA HAVE ALL THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SOME OF THEM WILL BE PRACTICAL, SOME OF THEM WILL BE IMPRACTICAL.
AND THEN AT COME BUDGET SEASON, MAYBE COUNCIL WILL PICK OUT ONE OR TWO OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE CAN IMPLEMENT AND WE'LL TRY.
BUT, SO THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD VOTE TO REJECT IT OR TO SEND IT BACK WOULD BE, WE MIGHT SAY, LOOK, THERE'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SECTION HERE THAT REALLY, YOU DIDN'T, WE FELT LIKE COULD HAVE HAD MORE ROBUST STATE.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE THIS VOTE NOW, WE'RE GONNA SEND IT BACK, GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, POLICE OR, UH, VEHICULAR CRASH REPORTS.
POTENTIALLY WE WANT MORE THERE AND SEND IT BACK.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONE VOTE THAT WE WOULD TAKE EVERY YEAR.
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY GIVE WOULD JUST BE IN THE FORM OF PRESENTATIONS AND UPDATES.
UM, ARE THERE WAYS THAT WE COULD ESTABLISH WHENEVER WE'RE DRAFTING THIS ORDINANCE, SOMETHING
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THAT SAYS THAT NO RECOMMENDATION, LIKE SPECIFICALLY MAY DISCUSS ANY USE OF FORCE POLICIES, POLICIES REGARDING INVESTIGATIONS OR KPD OFFICERS OR ANY RIGHTS NEGOTIATING BE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN K P D AND THE CITY PERMIT CONFIRMED? YES.WELL THAT WAS, THAT'S MY NEXT POINT.
THAT'S THE NEXT, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST.
IS TO SAY THE TER IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THEY CAN RE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, I SAID MAY NOT, BUT I, WE SHOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMENDATIONS SHALL NOT DISCUSS USE OF FORCE POLICIES, POLICIES REGARDING INVESTIGATION OF K P D OFFICERS OR ANY RIGHTS TO NEGOTIATE BETWEEN KP D AND THE CITY FOR MEET AND CONFIRM.
AND SINCE I KNOW I HAVEN'T HIGHLIGHTED, SO I CAN'T, I ADDED IT
SO YEAH, BY CREATING IT THIS WAY, THAT ALSO MEANS THAT IT CANNOT BE A COMPONENT OF THE ANNUAL REPORT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S DATA AS IT RELATES TO USE OF FORCE, BUT IT'S NOT DATA THAT'S THAT, THAT THEY CAN USE AS A PLATFORM FOR MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S ONLY AGGREGATE DATA IN THE BEGINNING IN, UH, TO START WITH.
AND SO NO INDIVIDUALIZED OFFICERS, ALL OF THAT, AND WE SHOULD MEMORIALIZE IT THAT WAY.
SO IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT, YES.
THEN WE CAN UH, UH, MOVE TO THE STAFFING AND THE, AND THE RESOURCES.
AND SO ORIGINALLY THIS IS WHERE I THINK THE MOST COMPROMISE TOOK PLACE BETWEEN WHAT I PROPOSED AND, UH, WHAT I THINK WE KIND OF AGREED WITH THE KPD ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS.
CUZ MY THINKING WAS, AND A LOT OF IT CAME FROM SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT I WAS DOING, IS THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD REALLY PUT RESOURCES INTO THIS, CREATE AN FTE, PUT SOME INDEPENDENT, UH, RESEARCH ANALYST TYPE PERSON IN THERE WHO WOULD WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE TO ACTUALLY BE IN CHARGE OF THIS REPORT.
BUT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION'S POLICY REALLY DOES HAVE EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD BEING THE LEADER OF THE ORG OF THE COMMITTEE.
AND EVEN THOUGH CHIEF WOULD NOT BE, UH, A PART OF THE INTERVIEW COMMITTEE SO THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SAY SO, AND WHO GETS SELECTED, UM, HE WOULD BE THE LIAISON TO THAT BOARD.
HE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD MEET WITH THEM EACH AND EVERY TIME.
PROVIDE THE BRIEFINGS, SET THE AGENDAS WITH DEPART THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, AND IT WOULD BE THE CHIEF AND THE ACM WHO IS OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WHO WOULD BE THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THIS BOARD AS IT AS IT MEANS.
SO THAT I, WE WOULDN'T BE ACTUALLY SPENDING MONEY, WE WOULDN'T BE CREATING AN FTE FOR THIS.
UH, AND, AND IT WOULD BE CHIEF AND IT WOULD BE WHICHEVER ACM, THEY WOULD BE THE ONES WHO WOULD BE A PART OF THOSE MEETINGS.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COMPROMISED ON.
THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT CHIEF ISN'T GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THE CREATION.
SO HEAR MORE OF A, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT YOUR BOARD IN THAT SENSE.
IT'S A DISTINGUISHMENT BETWEEN THE BOARD'S COMMISSION'S POLICY.
BUT, UM, YOU'D BE THE ONE WHO WOULD RUN THE MEETINGS.
SO HE'S GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE TO, WE'RE GONNA TAKE HOURS.
LIKE, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? LIKE THAT'S GONNA FALL INTO MAYBE SOME OVERTIME OR, SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, I THINK DO LIKE SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE.
I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT YET.
I THINK YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND THIS ORDINANCE, BUT I THINK THAT'S A HUGE ASK, UM, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS EXTREMELY SHORT ON STAFF AS IT IS.
AND SO I WOULD HATE TO TAKE ANY OF THAT TIME AWAY FROM THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO GET DONE.
LIKE, THERE'S ALL, ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT CHIEF IS GONNA SAY IT'S FINE.
HE IS GONNA DO WHATEVER WE ASK HIM TO DO.
MY PROBLEM IS KNOWING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WE ARE SHORT ON STAFF AND THEIR TIME IS LIMITED TO TAKE A, YOU KNOW, AN EMPLOYEE AWAY FROM THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEHIND ON AND USING IT.
UM, SO WHO DO YOU RECOMMEND SHOULD BE THE ONE WHO RUNS THE MEETINGS? TO RUN THE MEETINGS? OKAY, SO, SO MARIANA RUNS THE PARKS BOARD.
WE'VE PROPOSED THERE WOULD BE CHIEF AND, AND THE ACM COLLECTIVELY THAT WOULD COORDINATE THE FACILITY.
SO THEY'RE ONLY GONNA RUN THE MEETINGS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THEY'RE ONLY GONNA GO THERE TO RUN THE MEETINGS.
AND THE, AS FAR AS THE COMPILATION OF THE REPORT, THAT IS NOT THE, IT, IT IS NOT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE TYPING UP THE REPORT.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE RESEARCH ANALYST.
THE, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE STRATEGIC ANALYST? STRATEGIC ANALYST AND KPD.
AND THEY'RE ALREADY, IT'S THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, WHICH THEY'VE ALREADY DONE ONE WITHOUT THIS.
SO THIS COMMITTEE IS JUST COMING IN, PROVIDING INSIGHT, GIVING FEEDBACK TO US, WORKING ON THE SCOPE OF THAT.
BUT CHIEF JUST HAS TO WORK WITH THIS COMMITTEE AS HE'S GOING ABOUT, AND KPD HAS TO
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WORK WITH THIS COMMITTEE AS THEY'RE GOING ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS DEPARTMENT.AND IT WOULD JUST BE CHIEF, IT WOULD BE THE, SO WE JUST HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT WHEN WE TALK, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGETING.
UM, CUZ THIS IS A WHOLE NEW SET OF, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE EVERY DEPARTMENT, NOT EVERY DEPARTMENT, MORE THAN HALF, HALF OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY OF KYLE HAVE A BOARD THAT THAT DEPARTMENT MANAGES.
SO WE HAVE UNDERSTAND THIS IS GONNA BE NEW HOURS ALLOCATED MORE WORK.
SO YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE'RE CATCHING THEM UP TO THAT BOARD.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT TO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET.
OR WE SHOULD, WE HAD ASKED THEM TO DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK WITHOUT INCREASING SOMETHING SOMEWHERE.
I JUST WANNA SAY WAS THE PROP F ALSO DESIGNED TO HAVE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND INTEGRITY IN OUR POLICING PRACTICES? BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T JUST WANT TO GIVE NUMBERS IN AN ANNUAL REPORT.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE VOTERS REALLY WENT.
SO IT, AS MR. BEAR WAS IN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET BETTER YEAR TO YEAR WITH HAVING THIS DATA DRIVEN ANALYTICS? YEAH.
YOU SAID IT'S A TOUGH ONE, RIGHT? IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS IN THE VOTER'S MIND.
UH, CERTAINLY THERE WAS NO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA MISS IT.
SAY, OH LOOK, THIS IS REALLY WHERE WE WENT WHEN WE WENT THIS WAY.
WELL, THERE WAS ONE OPEN HOUSE THAT WAS, THAT WE HAD AND WE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION COLLECTIVELY AS A COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S TENDED TO BE FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE, THAT'S THE ONLY FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN GO OFF OF, RIGHT? LIKE I THINK WHAT THEY WANT IS LET'S BUILD A BETTER RELATIONSHIP.
LIKE HOW DO THEY DO THAT? LET'S WORK TOGETHER.
LET'S, LET'S, UH, BE A COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE MINDS BACK THEN.
WELL, WHY, WHY WE SO SHIFTED 2020.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN PEOPLE'S MINDS SINCE 2020.
BUT I WANT EVERY INTERACTION TO BE POSITIVE.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE WANTING, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE GETTING JUST NUMBERS IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE HAPPY WITH.
WE'RE, WE'RE VERY, WE ARE LIMITING WHAT WE'RE TASKING THIS GROUP.
AND IT COULD BE LIKE THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF, UH, CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, NA COLE.
THEY WOULD LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE AND SAY THAT WE'RE ONLY ABOUT 5% OF WHERE WE SHOULD GO.
THAT'S BECAUSE NACO HAS A NATIONAL AGENDA.
RIGHT? SO THE GEORGE FLOYD AND THE, THE MEMPHIS AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS, THE DALLAS AND THE, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO OR SAN MARCOS.
THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN STUFF HAPPENING ALL OVER THAT DRIVE A NARRATIVE.
AND THIS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON HERE IS NONE OF THAT.
BUT WHAT I'LL SAY IS, UH, MY EXPERIENCE THROUGH THE YEARS HAS BEEN THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS A VERY POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP.
SO THAT'S A THAT'S THE PREMISE THAT I'M STARTING WITH.
SO WHEN THEY, HANG ON, I'M JUST TRYING.
SO WHEN THEY VOTED 76%, UH, OR WHATEVER IT WAS FOR, UH, OVERSIGHT, WHAT THEY WEREN'T SAYING BASED ON HOW I'M READING THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT WE THINK KPD IS UNTRUSTWORTHY AND HAS BEEN DOING BAD THINGS AND THEREFORE WE NEED TO CHANGE HOW THEY OPERATE.
BUT I DO THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW HOW OUR K P D OPERATES TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THESE BAD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING POTENTIALLY IN OTHER CITIES DON'T, DON'T COME TO KYLE.
BECAUSE I KNOW OVER POLICING YOURSELF, UM, IS A BAD LOOK WITHIN.
RIGHT RACHEL? IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK.
SO I WANT THIS KIND OF OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WAS ESTABLISHED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT PERCEPTION OF WE'RE SELF POLICING POLICE.
CAN WE CREATE A TASK THAT'S, ISN'T THAT THE, THE CONFLICT THAT UM, CAN WE CREATE A TASK FOR THEM TO CREATE COMMUNITY EVENTS? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SAY.
I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE A PART.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE SURVEY THAT RACHEL SENT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, PEOPLE WERE VOTING FOR THIS YES.
TO GET COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING A LOT OF LIKE CITIZENS OF PATROL DO.
LIKE, HEY, DO WE WANNA GO TO THIS HOA GROUP, TALK TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT SAFETY FOR YOUR HOUSE WHEN YOU GO ON VACATIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE A BASKETBALL GAME DIFFERENT.
THERE WERE 20,000 PEOPLE, MENTORS OF, OF SOME OF THE KIDS THERE, THERE WERE 20,000 PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THIS.
AND THAT LITTLE SURVEY THAT WE GOT HAD LIKE 20 RESPONSES.
BUT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T JUST CREDIT THAT AND NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING.
SO I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE CHARTER.
THE CHARTER, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S BOOK IN FULFILLING THE CHARTER WITH THE SCOPE THAT WE'VE DECIDED RIGHT HERE.
LET'S GET AN ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US AND LET'S STAY FOCUSED ON FULFILLING THE CHARTER, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY DIRECTIVE.
CUZ THEY HAD, THEY DIDN'T TELL US TO CREATE COMMUNITY EVENTS CUZ IT'S NOT IN THE CHART.
NO, BUT THEY SAID THEY, BUT PEOPLE WHO
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DID COME OUT SPEAK DID SAY THEY WANTED COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CANNOT ADD TO IT OF COURSE.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH RIGHT NOW IS THE FULFILLMENT OF WHAT WE HAVEN'T FULFILLED IN THREE YEARS.
CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET US TO FULFILLED THIS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WOULD THE HARM BE IN HAVING THEM CREATE ONE COMMUNITY EVENT? NONE.
THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT THEM AS A MEETING CANTE.
BUT IF WE GIVE IT AS A TASK IN THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S DONE EVERY YEAR, YOU GUYS CAN'T BE THE ONE TO SIT HERE AND TELL US EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE TASK.
YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB OF CREATING THIS.
I WOULD GIVE THAT TO YOU AND I APPRECIATE IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN MINDED TO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO.
COUNCIL MEMBER ZK SAID IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO DO A COMMUNITY EVENT.
DANIEL SAYS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO COMMUNITY EVENT.
SO OR SO WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE IN THE ORDINANCE AS ONE COMMUNITY EVENT A YEAR TO TASK THEM WITH.
SO IF WE WORK TO ADD IN THERE THAT THIS COMMITTEE ENGAGES WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SEE HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET INVOLVED? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE POLICE? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A DAY THAT I I JUST WOULD SAY THAT WE MUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT THIS ISN'T, THIS IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE ETHICS BOARD.
WE CAN'T SERVE ON OTHER BOARDS.
WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT THEM FROM BEING A PART OF PROPAGANDA OR PROPAGANDIZING THE POLICE OR PROPAGANDIZING THE ANTI-POLICE COORDINATING POLICE EVENTS MAY OR MAY NOT BE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT REALLY MAKES THE SENSE HERE FOR THEM TO BE DOING.
HEY, YOUR OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS DOING A COME MEET YOUR OFFICER'S DAY.
HOW IS THAT EVER BAD? THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT IS SITTING HERE SAYING, KNOWING, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE'VE ALL SAID OUT LOUD AND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID PRIVATELY, SHARED PRIVATELY, A ABOUT OUR FEELINGS AROUND HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ENGAGES.
THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION AROUND HOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE EVENTS SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF TIME.
I THINK YOU GUYS DO A FANTASTIC JOB WITH COMING UP WITH IDEAS THAT LIKE WE DON'T THINK ABOUT.
AND I THINK IF, IF THE IDEA THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
BUT LIKE YOU COULD JUST SHARE IT WITH THEM VERBALLY.
WE ALMOST ATTEND ALMOST EVERY SINGLE YEAH.
SO I MEAN THAT'S GIVE MORE STAFF.
WE WILL ATTEND MORE IF THEY SHUT IT DOWN AND THEY STOP POSTING EVENTS AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY DETERIORATES FOR SOME REASON, THEN LET'S, WE CAN EDIT IT IN SOMEBODY OUTTA THE PARK RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU GUYS DO A GREAT, THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
LOOK, IF YOU, IF THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS.
I SAID I'M JUST, I WAS OPENING TO THE IDEA TO GIVE THEM A TASK TO CREATE A COMMUNITY EVENT.
NOT TO BE PRO OR IS BUT TO MEET.
AND MAYBE THEY, SINCE THEY'RE OVERSIGHTING AND THEY KNOW THE ISSUES AND THEY KNOW THE INSIGHTS AND THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES, THEY WOULD'VE A BETTER IDEA.
AND THAT WOULD TAKE IT OFF THE BACKS OF, OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ALSO BE IN CHARGE OF ONE OF EVENT A YEAR.
ALL I WAS SAYING, PANELS ESTABLISHED, THEY SEE, THEY LOOK AT ALL THE EVENTS THAT THEN IF THERE'S A NEED TO CREATE ONE, THEN WE COME UP.
I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS LIKE THERE, THERE'S ALREADY, UH, A PUBLIC SAFETY FAIR WHEN SEATON HAS THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, NATIONAL NIGHT, NATIONAL NIGHT.
BUT TO ATTEND AND THEN TO BE IN CHARGE OF ONE IS DIFFERENT.
WELL, WE CAN CREATE, WE CAN CREATE AN ADDITION IF NEEDED.
YOU KNOW, LOOK, THIS, THAT'S NOT, I THINK THE COUNCIL TASK FORCE GETTING BEHIND WORKING WITH THE POLICE FOR AN EVENT IS A GOOD SPOT.
IT'S JUST THAT, IT'S JUST THIS, THIS, THIS PARTICULARLY INDEPENDENT GROUP, THESE THREE TASKS, PRIMARY, SECONDARY, TERTIARY TASKS FULFILL THE CHARTER AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.
SO I'M JUST WANTING TO TRY TO DO THAT.
AND THEN LET'S JUST SEE THIS IS A, THIS IS A PROCESS.
I'D SAY SOMETHING, BUT WE WANT, WE NEED TO KEEP GOING.
SO, UM, IS, DOES STAFF FEEL LIKE BASED ON ALL OF THIS, THAT THEY COULD DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE THAT IS, THAT THEY FEEL I COULD BE PRETTY CLOSE, UH, FOR US TO REVIEW BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD FOR US TO COME BACK AND TAKE A VOTE? I DO WANNA HAVE A DEFINITION OF THE TRAINING THEY WILL GO THROUGH AS A REQUIREMENT.
ONCE THEY'RE ON THE BOARD, THEY'RE SELECTED, THEY, THEY'LL GO THROUGH AN ORIENTATION.
AND YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID THE THREE DAY ORIENTATION, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS MAY BE, AND IT'S LIKE MANDATORY.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ORIENTATION, GO THROUGH LIKE, UH, CPA ON STEROIDS, THREE DAY THING.
SO THE ONLY THING I, OR A COUPLE THINGS I DIDN'T HEAR CLARIFICATION ON THAT WE WOULD NEED IS THE, THE LEVEL OF BACKGROUND.
I GUESS YOU'LL JUST, IF YOU JUST WANT TO PUT A GENERIC, THERE'LL BE A BACKGROUND CONDUCTED.
BUT IF YOU WANT THE ORDINANCE TO CONTAIN THE THRESHOLDS OF WHAT THAT MEANS.
WHAT, WHAT'S A FAILING BACKGROUND? NO, WHAT'S PASSING OR HOW DO YOU WANT NO, UH, UH, CONVICTIONS ABOVE A CLASS C
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MISDEMEANOR WITHIN FIVE YEARS WOULD BE A STARTING FORM.HOW ABOUT IF SOMEBODY HAS BEEN CONVICTED, LIKE, HEY, MY BROTHER GOT CONVICTED AND YOU GUYS, IT'S IT'S THE PERSON.
IT'S THE PERSON THAT'S APPLYING.
I THINK WHAT IF WANT A SECOND CHANCE IN SOCIETY AND YOU'RE REFORMING YOURSELF? WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE TAKEN, YOU'RE BAD.
YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERY YOU LIFE ISN'T PERFECT FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU'RE LEARNING AS YOU GROW AND YOU WANT A SECOND CHANCE.
WHEN YOU APPLIED FOR THIS COMMITTEE, TWO MISTAKES AND BEING, UM, THE OVERSIGHT GROUP MIGHT NOT BE ONE OF THOSE.
CHIEF DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER, JUST ANOTHER OUT THERE? UM, I THINK I NEED TO REFER TO PAGE FOR A SECOND PAGE.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON, ON MY COMMENT ON THE CRIMINAL? WE'RE WE'RE GONNA JUST REVIEW THE BACKGROUND CHECK JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HOW FAR WE COMPLIANCE.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HIRE SOMEONE OR WE WOULDN'T WANNA PUT SOMEONE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT COULD DO A RIDE.
RIGHT? BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE ORIENTATION WILL INCLUDE A ARRIVAL.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOUR REQUIREMENT IS ON THE RIDE ALONGS.
FOLLOW THAT TO PAGE FOLLOW ALONG WITH WHAT'S IN NEW ORDINANCE.
BUT, BUT I WANT TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO STEREOTYPE ANY PERSON'S WITH THE CLASS C.
IT'S REQUIRED MISDEMEANOR, BUT WHAT THEY DID 10, 15, YOU, I THINK THE RIDE ALONG REQUIREMENT IS PERFECT.
CAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
FOLLOW, IF YOU CAN RIDE ALONG, THEN YOU CAN BE ON THIS TEAM, FOLLOW THE POLICY ACCORDING TO WHATEVER THE CHIEF SAYS AS FAR AS THE RIDE ALONG.
AND JUST USE THAT AS YOUR, YOUR BASIS AND USE THAT AS AS GROUND.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATIONS? K P D, DO YOU WANT THE BACKGROUND? WILL THAT BE PERFORMED AFTER THE COMMITTEE, THE INTERVIEW COMMITTEE HAS MET AND NARROWED THAT LIST DOWN? OR ARE YOU GONNA ASK FOR THAT TO BE DONE WITH A LARGER GROUP OF APPLICANTS THAT YOU WILL THEN CHOOSE BEFORE WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION? EVERYBODY THERE BOX BACKGROUND CAN, THEY'RE ELIMINATED AND THEN FROM, FROM WHATEVER GROUP REMAINS, THE, THE DENOMINATING COMMITTEE WOULD SELECT FROM THOSE WHO THEY WISH TO GIVE YOU UP.
SO NUMBER ONE, IF YOU GET 50 OR 80 INTERESTED PEOPLE, BACKGROUNDS TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND WE ARE DEFINITELY, I'M GONNA MAKE PAY FOR BETTER.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPLETELY LAWFUL.
WE HAVE TO CHECK THAT REQUIREMENT OR CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH LAW.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS, BRING THEM TO WHENEVER THE ORDINANCE COMES TO US.
WE'LL OUTLINE ANY DISCREPANCIES ON WHAT YOU'VE DIRECTED.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? REALISTICALLY? A MONTH? REALISTICALLY, WE HAVE A DRAFT BY THE SECOND MEETING BECAUSE OUR COMMISSIONS, I THINK OUR COMMISSIONS OPENED UP JUNE 1ST.
MAY, THAT'S JUST A MONTH, DO YOU THINK? FIRST MEETING IN MAY? THAT'S A, THAT'S A MONTH.
WE'RE GONNA SHOOT FOR DRAFT BY THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL 1ST.
YEAH, WE CAN DO FIRST IN MAY BECAUSE IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE BOARDING COMMISSIONS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO THE SAME THING WITH THIS ONE.
SELECTING AS WE'RE DOING THE NEW, UM, APPOINTMENTS FOR THIS YEAR FOR OUR LIBRARY AND OUR PARKS AND SO FORTH.
WHOEVER'S UP WHEN WE DO OUR, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS, IT'S THE SAME ONE AS THIS.
THAT WAY WE'RE ALL CONSISTENT AND THEN THAT WAY WE ALL TAKE THE VOTES THAT SATURDAY MORNING.
AND BRING THAT TO COUNSEL FOR REVIEW AND ADOPTION IN THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY.
MOTION BY THE MAYOR, UH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO.