* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING. IT [1.  Call Meeting To Order] IS 6:30 PM TODAY IS TUESDAY, APRIL 25TH. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING TO ORDER. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE TO LORI? HERE. MARTHA ANKIN. HERE. GARA. HERE. STEGEL. HERE. JAMES. HERE. CHASE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM. NEXT, [3.  Minutes] UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE MINUTES THREE. A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR APRIL 11TH, 2023. REGULAR MEETING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? NOT A MOTION? YES, SIR. AYE. NOT A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE MINUTES AS MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DELORE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES OUTTA [4.  Citizen Comments] NUMBER FOUR. CITIZEN COMMENTS. AT THIS TIME, IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WE ARE, WE INVITE YOU UP NOW, UH, WE ASK YOU LIMIT YOUR TIME TO THREE MINUTES THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK. YOU MAY COME UP NOW. SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE. CITIZEN COMMENTS, CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED. [5.  Consent] ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A, B, AND C WITH A MOTION? YES, SIR. UH, I WE APPROVES, UH, ITEMS FIVE A THROUGH FIVE C ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES TO, UH, APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A THROUGH C. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER STEGEL. YES, I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONERS WHO, UH, WILL ACTON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE RECORD. UH, FOR ITEM FIVE B, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THE REASON TO APPROVE THE PLA CONDITIONALLY. UM, JUST AS SO YOU'RE AWARE. AND THAT REASON IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE IT ON THERE IS BECAUSE, UM, WE NEED TO STRIKE THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY SIG SIGNATURE BLOCK ON THERE. OKAY. SHOULD WE DO IT SEPARATELY OR? PROBABLY SO. OKAY. SO Y YES. WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PULL, UH, FIVE B. DO YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION FOR A N C? UH, YES. I'LL TAKE AN AMENDED MOTION. THANK YOU. A AND C. OKAY. DO YOU SECOND THAT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN, UH, MOTIONED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, UH, STEGEL TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS A AND C. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT. UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM FIVE B. WE, YOU ARE ASKING FOR US TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION OF THE, I'M SORRY, A CORRECTION OF TO STRIKE THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY SIGNATURE BLOCK AND THE CITY COUNCIL SIGNATURE BLOCK WITH A MOTION. YES, SIR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM FIVE B, UH, CONDITIONALLY STRIKING THE SIGNATURE BLOCK FOR THE CITY SECRETARY AND THE CITY COUNCIL. COUNCIL COUNSEL. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOTIONED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES. IS THERE SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? SECOND. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER STEGEL. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES. [A.   The second of two public hearings by the Planning and Zoning Commission for the purpose of receiving testimony, comments, and written evidence from the public regarding a comprehensive plan amendment to amend approximately 26 acres of “Farm Landscape” to ‘Regional Node’ for certain parcels south of the intersection of SH-21 and E FM 150, amend approximately 3 acres to ‘New Settlement District’ from ‘Regional Node’ & amend approximately 18.9 acres from ‘New Settlement District’ to ‘Regional Node’. The area outlined in the map includes 14.5 acres of existing ‘Regional Node’ with a total approximate area of 60 acres (City of Kyle).   Public Hearing Recommendation to City Council ] NEXT ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION. SIX A THE SECOND OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE PUR, UH, PURPOSE OF RECEIVING TESTIMONY. COMMENTS AND WRITTEN EVIDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO AMEND APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES OF FARM LANDSCAPE TO REGIONAL NODE FOR CERTAIN PARCELS SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF SH 21 AND E F M ONE 50. AMEND APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES TO NEW SETTLEMENT DISTRICT FROM REGIONAL NODE AND AMEND APPROXIMATELY 18.9 ACRES FROM NEW SETTLEMENT DISTRICT TO REGIONAL NODE. THE AREA OUTLINED IN THE MAP INCLUDES 14.5 ACRES OF EXISTING REGIONAL NODE WITH A TOTAL APPROXIMATE AREA OF 60 ACRES. CITY OF KYLE, UH, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU MAY COME UP NOW. SEEING NONE, IT WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, MR. ATKINSON. ALL RIGHT, WILL ATKINSON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE RECORD. UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, READING OFF THE, THE FUN, UM, AGENDA ITEM THERE AND HOW IT WAS WRITTEN. IT WAS INTENTIONAL. I WASN'T JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A MOUTHFUL TO TALK ABOUT. SO, UM, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE WE RECEIVED COUNCIL DIRECTION EARLIER THIS YEAR FOLLOWING THE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, REQUEST FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DOWN THERE AT THE INTERSECTION. [00:05:01] AS Y'ALL MAY REMEMBER, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY SHOWN RIGHT HERE IN PURPLE AS NC ON THE SCREEN. UM, CITY COUNCIL HAD DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM AND THEY GAVE COUN STAFF DIRECTION TO BRING FORWARD A COMPLAINT AMENDMENT ACCORDINGLY TO, UH, CREATE, UH, EXPAND THE REGIONAL NODE HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION. SO THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, ARE ACTUALLY AMENDING IT TO, ON THE NORTH SIDE MATCH THE EXISTING RETAIL SERVICES ZONING, WHERE, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE, UH, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RETAIL THERE, WE BELIEVE. AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT WAS A COMBINATION TO MATCH, UH, APPROXIMATE, UM, BOUNDARIES OF PARCELS. PLUS THERE'S ALSO FLOODPLAIN IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH. AND I DID NOT FEEL LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO EXTEND THE REGIONAL NODE INTO WHAT COULD BE FLOODPLAIN NEARBY. SO, UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE REASON WHY IT EXTENDS A LITTLE BIT NORTHWEST IS CUZ THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 1500 LINEAR FEET AND THAT'S WHAT A REGIONAL NODE GENERALLY SHOWS IN THE COMP PLAN. UH, SO THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL, UM, UH, AS CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED, THIS STAFF DOES SUPPORT IT AND WE ASK THAT Y'ALL SUPPORT IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A, A QUESTION. SO WILL, DOES THE, UM, DOES THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS SERVE AS, UH, AS TIME WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN HAVE A SAY IN THIS REZONING? I DON'T KNOW WHO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE, BUT DO THEY HAVE ANOTHER FORUM OTHER THAN CITIZEN COMMENTS? SO ON A, ON A COMP, UH, COMMISSIONER DELORE ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THE STATE REQUIRES THAT WE JUST PUT NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER IN ON THE, IN THE, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE OR IN IN MANOR IN CITY HALL. UH, WE DON'T, AS IT, AS IT EXTENDS OVER A LARGER AREA THAN JUST ON A PER PARCEL BASIS, UH, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO, UH, SEND NOTIFICATION TO THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY OWNERS. RIGHT. AND, AND THIS IS NOT A REZONING, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE REGIONAL NODE WILL, WILL THEN SUGGEST WHAT, WHAT ZONINGS IF THEY COME AND ASK FOR ZONING CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, WHICH ONES WOULD BE RECOMMENDED VERSUS CONDITIONAL WILL CHANGE. BUT THE ACTUAL ZONINGS OF WHAT THEY ARE NOW IS NOT CHANGING. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. THANK YOU. SETS A FOUNDATION OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH A MOTION? YES, SIR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM SIX A. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES TO APPROVE ITEM SIX A. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN, UH, MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES SECOND BY MYSELF. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? UM, I'LL GO AHEAD. I, I, I HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, SOMETIMES IT IS NOT EASY TO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL HAD THIS BEFORE THEM TIME PASSED AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO DO IT AT THAT TIME, BUT THEY HAVE SINCE REVIEWED IT AND DECIDED THAT THIS DOES NEED TO GO THROUGH. AND I DO HAVE TO COMMEND THEM FOR BEING WILLING TO, UH, BRING THIS BACK. I VERY MUCH AM SUPPORT OF THIS. THERE'S NOT MUCH OF 21 THAT IS IN KYLE'S CITY LIMITS, AND THAT WHICH WE HAVE IN KYLE CITY LIMITS SHOULD BE, UM, A RE REGIONAL NODE, ESPECIALLY, UH, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE AT THAT INTERSECTION. SO I VERY MUCH SUPPORT THIS ITEM AND, UM, YEAH, I'LL AT THE FLOOR. YES, SIR. UH, YEAH, AND I, I WILL SAY THAT LIKE, THIS GOES BACK TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UM, ITEM IN THE PAST WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AREA, WE SPECIFICALLY, AND ESPECIALLY ALSO WHEN WE TALKED IN THE, IN THE COMP PLAN STUFF WITH VIRGINITY, WE SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTED THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE THINK WILL GROW OVER TIME. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET AHEAD OF THAT GROWTH. LIKE, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE AN ESCALATION END OF THE IMMEDIATE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT HAVING THAT SAME DISCUSSION DOWN THE LINE WHEN WE HA WHEN IT IS A, A MORE ACCEPTABLE USE IN AN AREA WHERE IT WOULD LOOK ODD AND OUT OF PLACE. SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AHEAD OF THE GAME AND THIS ALLOWS US TO DO THAT, I THINK REALLY EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT CHANGING THE UNDERLYING ZONINGS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER? YES, SIR. UH, YEAH, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS, UH, AS WELL. I THINK THAT, UH, MY ONE COMMENT WOULD BE I WISH WE HAD MORE UNDER OUR JURISDICTION OUT ON THE EAST SIDE THAN WE HAVE. UM, SAD TO SAY WE DON'T, BUT IN ANY CASE, I SUPPORT THIS ROBUSTLY AND, UM, I THINK WE BEST THINK OF THIS INTERSECTION AS THE GATEWAY TO EAST KYLE, AT LEAST IN A COMMERCIAL, IF NOT A RESIDENTIAL SENSE. SO IN MY VIEW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO, UM, MOVE ON THIS INTO, TO APPROVE IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION [00:10:01] PASSES. ITEM [A.   Discussion only regarding Planning and Zoning Commission request for future agenda items.   Discussion to identify and select previously requested items by the Planning and Zoning Commission. - Minimum Lot Sizes - Accessory Dwelling Units - Public Restrooms - Mary Kyle Hartson Park - I-35 Overlay (Red Brick & White Limestone) - Mixed Use Zoning - Crosswalks - Parking Criteria (On Street Requirements for Subdivisions) - Indoor Firing Range replacement of "Pistol & Rifle Range" - What is a "PUD"? ] NUMBER SEVEN, UH, GENERAL DISCUSSION SEVEN. A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DISCUSSION TO IDENTIFY AND SELECT PREVIOUS REQUESTED ITEMS BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MINIMUM LOT SIZES, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, PUBLIC RESTROOMS, MARY KYLE HARTSON PARK, I 35 OVERLAY RED BRICK AND WHITE LIMESTONE MIXED USE ZONING CROSSWALKS, PARKING CRITERIA ON STREET REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBDIVISIONS, INDOOR FIRING RANGE, REPLACEMENT OF PISTOL AND RIFLE RANGE. WHAT IS A PUD? UH, MR. ATKINSON, THANK YOU, UH, WILL ATKINSON, DIRECTOR PLANNING FOR THE RECORD. SO, UM, I SPENT SOME TIME GOING BACK OVER THE LAST YEAR LOOKING AND FINDING REQUESTS BY YALA AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO BRING FORWARD ITEMS. AND THIS IS THE LIST, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE LIST. UH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DELORE REACHED OUT AFTER WE HAD POSTED THE AGENDA RELATING TO, UH, PARKS AND SUBDIVISIONS AND ITEMS RELATED TO THAT AS WELL. UM, BUT, UM, WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION HERE IS FIGURE OUT ONE TO THREE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO POTENTIALLY TACKLE FIRST. AND I WANT Y'ALL TO, UM, VOTE ON THAT AND KIND OF DISCUSS IT AMONG YOURSELF AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE OF THESE OR THREE, TWO OR THREE OF THESE THAT YOU, YOU WANNA SEE COMING PR UH, PRETTY QUICKLY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. AND SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF THOSE ITEMS SO THAT THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS IS. SO THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOONER, UH, THAN OTHERS? COMMISSIONER? YES, SIR. UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK ITEM NUMBER ONE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN THE FACE OF OUR GROWTH AT THIS POINT. UM, SO I WOULD SEE THAT AS BEING AT THE TOP IN MY VIEW. THANK YOU. I AGREE THAT THAT IS ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SOON. UH, AND, UM, I, I DO AGREE THAT IS ONE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, HOPEFULLY IN THIS FIRST ROUND. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU'LL LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, SOON? YES, SIR. UH, YEAH, THE, THE TWO THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT I THINK TO ME TO HAVE A, A LEARNED OR DISCUSSION ON, UM, IS THE MIXED USE ZONING AND WHAT IS A PUT AS WE'RE HEADING THROUGH THE FINAL PARTS OF THE THE COMP PLAN, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE NAIL DOWN WHAT THOSE ARE AND LOOK LIKE FOR THE NEXT LITTLE BIT OF TIME. THANK YOU. AND, AND IS IT OKAY TO DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER AS TO WHAT THIS MEANS? SURE. SO MIXED USE ZONING, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OUR CODE SAYS MIXED USE IS VERSUS WHAT WE OFTENTIMES APPROVE, UM, IS, IS NOT ALWAYS THE SAME. AND IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING? THE FACT THAT MIXED USE IN THE CODE BEING COMMERCIAL, GROUND FLOOR RESIDE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOVE, UM, VERSUS WHAT WE'VE BEEN APPROVING AS OF LATE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS PREVIOUSLY. SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER CHASE CUZ HE, WHO HE ALSO, UM, BROUGHT THIS BACK UP. UH, I WILL SAY I THINK THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR EXPECTATION AND REALITY ON WHAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF OUR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. UM, PART OF THAT IS THE, THE VERTICAL VERSUS HORIZONTAL MIXED USE. UM, AND AGAIN, I ALSO DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR WHAT COMMISSIONER CHASE HAD TO SAY CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. BUT NO, I, I AGREE TH THIS IS A GOOD ONE TO, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOON. UH, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THE I 35 OVERLAY LINE AROUND THE RED BRICK AND WHITE LIMESTONE IS ONE THAT I'D RAISED A WHILE BACK CUZ UM, I'VE, SINCE I'VE JOINED THE COMMISSION, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES ALONG THAT STRETCH WHERE WE'VE BEEN APPROVING, UM, LIKE THE, THE WORD IS ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW. UH, THE PICTURES , WHAT IS THAT WORD? FACADES. FACADES. OKAY. FACADES. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THOSE AND A LOT OF THE COMMENTS ARE SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T FALL WITH ANY RECOMMENDED THING CUZ IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOME DIVERSITY. UM, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THINGS ARE COMING UP OVER THERE RIGHT NOW THAT LOOK A LITTLE BIT FUNNY MAYBE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. ADJACENT USES LOOK A LITTLE BIT FUNNY AS FAR AS COLORS AND STYLES. SO THIS IS STILL SOMETHING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN, BUT TIMING-WISE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT THINGS IN THE PIPELINE THAT ARE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY COME UP FOR US. [00:15:01] UM, SO AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, THIS WAS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE RATIO OF HOW MANY PROPERTIES WITHIN THIS OVERLAY ARE ACTUALLY FITTING IN WITH WHAT WE AS THE CITY ARE SUGGESTING PEOPLE DO VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING. ABSOLUTELY. IF WE HAVE THIS EXPECTATION, HOW MANY TIMES OR WHAT PERCENTAGE SHOULD WE BE WILLING TO VARY FROM THAT VERSUS THE STATE OF THAT? THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION WE SHOULD HAVE. SURE. AND JUST AS A HEADS UP, THERE ARE A COUPLE, UH, PERMITS ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE THAT WE ARE REVIEWING OKAY. UM, AHEAD OF THIS CONVERSATION, SO JUST MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIR. YES SIR. UM, I KNOW YOU SAID TWO OR THREE MR. ATKINSON, BUT I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE I'D LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE, WHICH IS PARKING CRITERIA ON STREET REQUIREMENTS. UM, I THINK THAT THAT, UH, GOING FORWARD IS SOMETHING WE PROBABLY HAVE TO CONSIDER THOUGHTFULLY. OKAY. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. UM, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THE, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS A PUT? I WOULD ACTUALLY, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A DISCUSSION ITEM SO MUCH AS I THINK IT'S SOMETHING GOOD FOR STAFF TO HELP EXPLAIN PERIODICALLY TO US AND EVEN COUNCIL MAYBE SOMETIMES, UM, THE DIFFERENT ACRONYMS, PUD PIT, UM, TURS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S COME UP. BUT EVEN WITHOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, A MUD, THESE KIND OF THINGS, HELPING EXPLAIN THOSE TO THEM. AND SO I THINK THAT CLARIFICATION FROM TIME TO TIME WOULD BE USEFUL. WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE A THOROUGH DISCUSSION ON IT, BUT I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE REMINDED OF, UH, PERIODICALLY. UM, FOR WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THE THREE TO SPEAK OF SOON, THE FIRST ROUND, I WOULD SAY MINIMUM LOT SIZES I 35 OVERLAY MIXED USE ZONING. I THINK ALL THREE OF THOSE WE SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS OVER SOON. I WOULD THEN SUGGEST FOR THE NEXT ROUND TO INCLUDE BOTH PARKING CRITERIA AND THE PARK, UM, THE PARKS AND SUBDIVISIONS. UM, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO GO AND THINGS THAT TALKED ABOUT THE MOST CONVERSATIONS THAT COME UP THE MOST OFTEN. AND, UM, I JUST THINK THE MINIMUM ODD SIZES I 35 OVERLAY AND MIXED USE ZONINGS ARE THE MOST TIMELY. BUT, UH, IF YOU ALL DISAGREE, WE CAN, WE CAN AMEND THAT BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION OR GO FORWARD. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. SO I'D LIKE A LITTLE TIME, UH, I'M, I'M GOING, IT'S, UH, COMMISSIONER DELORE FOR THE RECORD, UM, REGARDING PARKS AND RECREATIONAL SPACES AND SUBDIVISIONS AND MIXED USE AREAS, UH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CONFER WITH THE CITY PARKS DIRECTOR AND, UH, I'VE BEEN READING THROUGH THE, UH, THE PARKS AND REC FOR THE CITY OF CAL MASTER PLAN FROM 2016, WHICH RECOMMENDS, UH, THESE THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL, THAT'S 2016, SO WE HAVE TO SEE IF THAT'S, UH, STILL THE WILL OF, UH, OF THE PARKS AND WE WANT TO COORDINATE WITH THEM. UH, THIS, THIS SHOULDN'T BE DONE, UM, UNILATERALLY. I DON'T THINK SO. UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DEFER THAT FOR, FOR ANOTHER MEETING. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANKS. UM, ONE QUESTION. I SEE CROSSWALKS ON THE LIST. COULD SOMEONE PLEASE REFRESH MY MEMORY? WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? I'M GONNA DO MY BEST. UM, I FOUND ONE REFERENCE IN A RECORDING AND I HAVEN'T, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A COUPLE RECORDINGS THAT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT DUE TO OUR, OUR SYSTEM. SO, UM, IT WAS FOR, UM, OUR PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER, UH, SNY OWL'S, ONE OF HER REQUESTS. I THINK SHE WANTED TO SEE, I BELIEVE OR UNDERSTAND BETTER WHEN WE REQUIRE, UH, CROSSWALKS AND WHAT INTERSECTIONS OR IF WE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES REQUIRE THE MID-BLOCK OR CERTAIN DESIGN CRITERIA WHERE IT'S POSSIBLY SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. OKAY. UM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, A FEW WEEKS AGO, COUNSEL, UM, APPROVED A MEASURE TO, TO REQUIRE STREETS TO HAVE A CERTAIN WIDTH, A WIDER STREET FOR THE FIRE SAFETY. SOMETHING. UM, WHAT WAS THAT? IT, IT WAS, UM, I NEED TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE RECORDING, TO BE HONEST. IT WAS A WHILE AGO. YEAH. IT WAS, UM, THE MINIMUM FIRE CODE REQUIREMENT FOR WIDTH IS 24 FEET UNOBSTRUCTED. OKAY. SO, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER IF I REMEMBER THAN WHAT, UM, Y'ALL WOULD'VE PREFERRED. UM, I KNOW THE, THE WIDTH OF STREET ALSO AFFECTS HOW QUICKLY CARS GO DOWN STREETS. MM-HMM. . SO MAYBE CROSSWALKS WOULD BE SOMETHING NOT TO FORGET ABOUT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO NOW CROSS THESE MINIMUM 24 FOOT WIDE STREETS. AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT COULD BE WORTH DISCUSSING. IT MIGHT BE WORTH, IF I MAY, UM, IN INCORPORATING BOTH CROSSWALKS [00:20:01] IN THE PARKING CRITERIA FOR ON STREET PARKING IN THE SAME CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WILL, DID, DID YOU WANT A, A MOTION OR DID YOU WANT FOR US JUST TO GIVE YOU, UM, DIRECTION? I I THINK THE CONVERSATION'S ACTUALLY PRETTY CLEAR IN THE DIRECTION THAT Y'ALL ARE DISCUSSING ALREADY. OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WARRANTS IT, BUT COMMISSIONER JAMES, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, UH, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE RECORDINGS NOT QUITE MAKING IT. UM, ARE THERE ANY CASES IN WHERE THE RECORDINGS OF PLANNING AND ZONING HAVE NOT BEEN UPLOADED? THE WEBSITE, THERE'S, THERE WAS SOME GLITCHES IN IT, BUT WE DO HAVE THE MINUTES FROM RECORDING. IT'S JUST THE VIDEO SIDE OF IT. SO, AND WE'VE RESOLVED THAT IN CASE WE NEED TO COME BACK TO ANY OF THESE IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN, WE CAN COORDINATE WITH, UM, WITH IT. OKAY. AND SEE IF WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN RESOLVE THOSE, UH, RECORDINGS. BUT AT MINIMUM WE DO HAVE THE RECORDINGS FROM AUDIO PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN DEBBIE DOES, UH, UH, DRAFT THE MINUTES AS WELL FOR EVERY MEETING. SO. OKAY. AND WE'RE STILL MEETING OPEN RECORDS AND OPEN GOVERNMENT WITH, YES. COOL. SO, SO HERE'S WHAT I HAVE SO FAR. YES SIR. FOR, FOR ROUND ONE MINIMUM LOT SIZES, MIXED USE ZONING, WHAT OUR COAT SAYS VERSUS WHAT WE APPROVE. I 35 OVERLAY RED BOOT BRICK AND WHITE LIMESTONE. AND THEN A ROUND TWO. UH, REALLY ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS PARKING CRITERIA FOR ON STREET AND CROSSWALKS. ALL RIGHT. HAS THE SAME DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND THEN COMMISSIONER DEL WANTED TO, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT ROUND TWO WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD PROBABLY BE ENOUGH TIME TO PLAN THAT OUT. SO I WOULD GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT IN IT. BUT IF IT DOES NEED TO GET DELAYED, WE ALWAYS CAN. UM, NO, I THINK THAT'S TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW. THAT'S PLENTY OF TIME. SO, UH, YEAH, AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW, AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS. MM-HMM. COULD BE MORE. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD. WE ALL AGREE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE [A.  Staff Report by William Atkinson, Director of Planning.] WILL MOVE ON. UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, STAFF REPORT EIGHT. A STAFF REPORT BY WILLIAM ATKINSON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME POTENTIAL, UH, CODE AMENDMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS COMING UP, AS WAS JUST DISCUSSED. AND THEN ALSO, UM, MAY 22ND AND MAY 23RD, WHICH IS ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT. UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR, OUR THIRD TRIP FROM VERITY. IT'S ACTUALLY A FULL DAY BOTH DAYS FOR STAFF. UM, AND THEY'RE COMING INTO TOWN TO DISCUSS, UM, WITH STAFF AND THEN A JOINT WORKSHOP BETWEEN Y'ALL AND CITY COUNCIL ON THE 23RD, THE NIGHT OF THE 23RD, UH, FOR, UM, TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF GROWTH SCENARIOS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER. AND SO JUST SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. THAT'S GONNA BE AT THE NORMAL MEETING TIME. UM, BUT UH, WE'RE GONNA ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT MONDAY, ONE DURING THE AFTERNOON AND ONE IN THE EVENING AS WELL. SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING ALL THOSE MATERIALS PUT TOGETHER AND ALL THE FUN WITH THAT. SO, UM, WHAT ELSE WE GOT? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, I THINK, UH, FOR THE TIME BEING. UH, BUT WE WE'RE GONNA START WORKING ON, UM, GETTING SOME DETAILS BEHIND, UH, THESE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT Y'ALL JUST DISCUSSED, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER NINE, ADJOURNMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND MOTION BY MYSELF. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.