* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. UH, GOOD [00:00:01] EVENING EVERYONE. THE TIME IS 6:01 PM IT'S TUESDAY, JUNE, THE, UH, I'M SORRY, IT'S THURSDAY, JUNE THE 22ND. I'M GONNA CALL THIS TOURS NUMBER TWO. BOARD MEETING TO ORDER. WOULD THE CITY SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL INGLESBY MITCHELL. HERE. TOBIAS. PRESENT. HEISER FLORES KALE. HERE. ZUNIGA. PRESENT. BRADSHAW. PARSLEY, COHEN. HERE. BRADSHAW? YEP. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT. UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM. NEXT UP. APPROVAL OF THE [II.  Approval of Minutes] MINUTES. MAYOR, LET GO AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TERMS BOARD MINUTES FOR THE MEETING ON MAY 18TH, 2023. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY MAYOR PROTI. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, FLORES KALE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MAY 18TH. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO ZERO. NEXT UP, CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? SEEING NONE. I'M GONNA CLOSE. CITIZEN COMMENTS, IT'S NOW CLOSED. UH, NEXT UP. [2.  Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding a review of the location, map, plans, and cost estimates for the design and construction of a temporary parking lot to be paid from Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 2 (TIRZ #2) funds and update regarding Board direction to staff.] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLDS DISCUSSION, PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A REVIEW OF THE LOCATION MAP PLANS AND COST ESTIMATES FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT TO BE PAID FROM T TWO FUNDS. AND UPDATE REGARDING BOARD DIRECTION TO STAFF. MR. BARBA. GOOD AFTERNOON, LEE. I'M BARB, CITY ENGINEER. UH, GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENTATION. I'M KIND OF GOING BACKWARDS ON THIS PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF UPDATE YOU ON THE RFQ THAT YOU ASKED US TO, UH, PUT OUT FOR THE, UH, SELECTION OF A POSSIBLE ENGINEER FOR THE INTERSECTIONS AT, UH, CROMWELL, BENNER, AND SANDERS. UH, WE PUSHED IT OUT FRIDAY AND IT'S PUBLISHED TODAY'S PAPER. UH, SO WE EXPECT TO HAVE THESE SUBMITTALS DUE BY JULY 21ST, I BELIEVE. I EXPECT AROUND 10 TO 15 MAYBE PROPOSALS FOR THAT PROJECT. AND, UH, SO WE'LL NEED ABOUT A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF TO REVIEW THOSE AND BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PARKING LOT. UH, QUESTION CONCERNING SOME OF THE OPTIONS. WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE, SEVERAL OPTIONS, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THEM WITH YOU ON THIS. HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE, UH, SIDE. IT'S, UH, BOUNDED BY, UM, BENNER, UH, I'M SORRY, LEMME GET MY GLASSES BY BURNHAM ON THE WEST SIDE. UH, IT'S CALLED AVENUE A ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, EVERETT ON THE EAST SIDE. AND, UH, DOHERTY ON, ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE, THAT'S THE GENERAL LOCATION MAP. HERE'S A MORE DETAILED MAP SHOWING THE NORTHERN TRACT AND SOUTHERN TRACT, AND THIS WILL HELP, UH, IDENTIFY HOW WE SET UP OUR COST ASSESSMENTS FOR THIS. THE NORTHERN TRACT INCLUDES THAT 1.59 ACRE TRACT, PLUS THE 0.46 ACRES THAT IS OWNED BY STEVEN SPEARS. THE SOUTHERN TRACT IS 1.55 ACRES THAT'S, UH, OWNED BY THE HAYES CONSOLIDATED IN, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU'LL FIND THAT AGREEMENT THAT THE SCHOOL, UH, INITIATED WITH THE CITY TO, UH, AGREE TO THE PARKING LOT IN THAT AREA. SO LEON, YOU'RE CONFIRMING THAT THE, THE JOINT USE AGREEMENT DOES COVER THIS PARTICULAR TRACK, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD IF WE WANT TO TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND, AND ALSO VISITED WITH MAX CLEAVER AND TOLD 'EM WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND HE SEEMED AWARE OF EVERYTHING WAS HAPPENING ON THIS, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD WITH IT. WE'RE GOOD THERE. WE JUST LOOKED AT THE SOUTHERN TRACT AND WE'VE, UH, AND I WANNA THANK AARON TSA WITH WGI ENGINEERING. THEY HELPED US WITH THIS, UH, SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. SO REAL HELPFUL, UH, INFORMATION THAT HE PROVIDED TO US. I'D LIKE TO REALLY THANK HIM FOR THAT. AND OF COURSE, KHA NO ON OUR STAFF ALSO HELPED PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. UH, WE LOOKED AT THE SOUTHERN TRACT. WE THINK WE CAN GET ABOUT 150 SPACES OUT OF THAT ONE, UH, ROUGHLY NINE BY 18 AND A HALF SPACES. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE WHOLE TRACT, UH, THAT, UH, IS OWNED BY STEVEN SPEARS AND, AND, AND HAYES CONSOLIDATE. UH, WE BELIEVE WE CAN GET ABOUT 244 SPACES OFF THAT THE SAME SIZE PARKING SPACES. AND LET, LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT THE SCOPE OF WORK. UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS IF, IF WE CHOOSE TO HAVE CITY CREWS DO IT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO. THEY DON'T DO ELECTRICAL TYPE WORK, THEY DON'T INSTALL CONDUIT, THEY DON'T, UH, DO CURB AND GUTTER. SO IT'S VERY LIMITED. BASICALLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS EXCAVATE, PUT SOME BASE DOWN AND SOME HOT NECKS DO SOME STRIPING CURB STOPS AND, AND SOME SIDEWALKS AND DRIVEWAYS. THAT'S THE LIMIT OF THEIR WORK THAT THEY COULD DO ON THIS PROJECT. IF WE CHOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE. ON THE, UH, IF WE DO IT BY CONTRACT, WE CAN INCLUDE EVERYTHING. WE WOULD INCLUDE, UH, CURB AND GUTTER ISLANDS, UM, UH, THE, UH, CONDUIT THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE LIGHTING AND OF COURSE OF THE LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING LOT. SO THAT WOULD BE ALL INCLUSIVE. IF WE GO OUT FOR CONTRACT NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO DO THAT FOR US. SO HERE'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. IF PUBLIC WORKS DOES THE SOUTHERN TRACT ONLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $175,000. [00:05:01] THAT'S, UH, NO LABOR INCLUDED IN THAT. UH, IF WE HAVE THEM DO THE WHOLE TRACT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $385,000 IN MATERIALS. NO, NO LABOR INCLUDED ON THAT. IF WE GO FOR CONTRACT AND WE JUST DO THE SOUTHERN PORTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $600,000. THAT INCLUDES, UH, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN, TESTING, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT TO BUILD THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE TRACT, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT. AND, UH, OF COURSE, AS, AS IF WE DO DECIDE TO GO WITH A CONSULTANT FIRM TO DO THIS, WE COULD, UH, BREAK IT UP INTO, UH, UH, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, GET A 30% PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT THAT WOULD BETTER DEFINE THE COST FOR THIS PARKING LOT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO. HERE'S YOUR OPTIONS. AND UM, OBVIOUSLY ONE IS NO BUILT. NUMBER TWO IS JUST HAVE PUBLIC WORKS CON CONSTRUCT THE SOUTHERN PARKING LOT, OR THEY CAN CONSTRUCT THE WHOLE PARKING LOT. OR WE CAN HAVE A CONTRACTOR, UH, WITH ENGINEERING PLANS BUILD THE WHOLE SOUTHERN PARKING LOT AND ARE WE GONNA HAVE 'EM BUILD THE WHOLE PARKING LOT. AND, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE, UH, BOARD DECIDES THEY WANNA DO, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT TOO. COUNCIL , UH, I, THANKS NEIL FOR THIS PRESENTATION. HOW, HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHY IS LABOR NOT INCLUDED? DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF LABOR? UM, JUST SO I CAN GET A CLOSER NUMBER. IF PUBLIC WORKS DOES THE SCOPE OF WORK, PUBLIC WORKS WASN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT ME IN A TIMELY MANNER. SO WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THAT INFORMATION. DO WE, SO I GUESS IT'S, IT'S UNSAFE TO ESTIMATE HERE MM-HMM. WHAT THE LABOR COULD BE. TYPICALLY THEY DON'T CHARGE LABOR ON THEIR PROJECTS. IT BECAUSE IT'S IN-HOUSE STAFF, SO THEY DON'T TYPICALLY CHARGE FOR THAT. IT'S AN HOURLY WAGE. IT'S LIKE WHAT PEOPLE MAKE AN HOUR. BASICALLY IT'S A ZERO BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S OUR OWN CITY EMPLOYEES. SO IT JUST BE A ZERO NO LABOR. IT WOULD BE OPPORTUNITY COST OPPORTUNITY. IT'S OPPORTUNITY COST. YES. SO THEY SHOULD, THEY COULD BE WORKING IN OTHER AREAS AND INSTEAD THEY'RE GONNA BE, SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD JUST TAKE THE HOW LONG WE THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE. TIMES IT BUY THEIR SALARY, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE OPPORTUNITY, LIKE OPPORTUNITY COST FOR, FOR THE COST FOR THIS. YEAH. WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN TIME. BUT I, I DID WANNA POINT OUT, I THINK A BIG DIFFERENCE TOO IS THE SCOPE OF THE WORK. THE SCOPE OF THE WORK IS DIFFERENT. UM, SO, UH, THE WORK THAT, THAT LEON WAS POINTING, POINTING OUT IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE IN-HOUSE, WHAT WAS PLANNED AND KIND OF THE WORK THAT WAS PLANNED THERE VERSUS, UH, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THAT WOULD BE WITH A CONTRACTOR. SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY APPLES AND ORANGES ON THE TYPE OF WORK TOO. RIGHT. UH, BUT I GET THAT. BUT, BUT IF LABOR WERE INCLUDED, THESE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK CLOSER TO THE CONTRACT. THEY WOULD, YES, SIR. THEY, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BE HIGHER. YES, SIR. I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA UNDER THINK THAT WE CAN REALLY GET IT DONE CHEAPER INHOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT TRULY NOT THE CASE. THAT'S RIGHT. YES, SIR. YES. BECAUSE IF YOU, UM, LOOK AT IT IN THAT SENSE, IF WE WERE TO GO IN-HOUSE, THAT MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PULL THESE INDIVIDUALS OFF OF ANOTHER PROJECT TO, UH, WORK ON THAT. AND YES, THE LABOR COST WILL BE, YOU KNOW, CITY WAGES AND SO FORTH. BUT IT'S, I GUESS WE GOTTA DECIDE THE SCOPE OF THE WORK. IF WE WANNA DO IN-HOUSE, GO WITH THE LESS AMOUNT, WITH THE, JUST ADDING THE BASE AND THE EASEMENT VERSUS HAVING EVERYTHING CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE. THAT INCLUDES LIGHTING, THAT INCLUDES THE STRIPING, AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING ELSE. WE WOULD BE, I GUESS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE WOULD PAY IN HOUSE VERSUS THE CONTRACTOR, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEE. MAYBE THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THAT'S THE NUMBERS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE TRYING TO GET AT, IS IF WE WENT WITH A CONTRACTOR, THIS WOULD BE AT THIS, THIS SPACE PRICE. IF WE WENT WITH IN-HOUSE CITY CREW WORK, UM, THIS IS THE COST DIFFERENCE ON, ON EACH ONE, INCLUDING MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND TIME COUNCIL, ER, BRIAN, IS, IS THE, THE LABOR COST, IS THAT BEING WOR WORKED ON? OR IS IT, OR DO YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH AN ACCURATE OH NO, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN DO YOU THINK WHAT THAT IS CAN BE READY BY LEON? HAVE YOU TALKED TO HARPER ABOUT A TIMELINE ON THAT? I'VE ASKED HIM TO PROVIDE THAT NUMBER FOR ME. YEAH. SO IT MAY BE A FEW MORE DAYS. WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE IT FOR YOU AND HAVE, I JUST UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE IT FOR THIS MEETING. OKAY. AND OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE UNTIL AROUND THIS TIME NEXT MONTH. THE, UH, LEON, THE, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE A, WHEN THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WANNA BUILD A PARKING LOT, THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW A SPECIFIC STANDARD RIGHT. FOR HOW THEY DEVELOP THEIR PARKING LOT. ESPECIALLY IN THE PLUM CREEK AREA. THERE'S A, THOSE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MM-HMM. THAT LOOKS AT THE PROJECT. SO THEY HAVE TO GET, YOU HAVE TO GET THEIR BLESSING BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON WITH THAT WORK. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED OF US. I WAS TOLD IT WAS GONNA BE REQUIRED. YOU WERE TOLD IT WAS? YES. OKAY. SO [00:10:01] IF IT, IF IT IS REQUIRED OF US, THEN IS THE PLAN, THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS PLAN EVEN VIABLE? IT MAY NOT BE. OKAY. SO IF IT'S NOT, BUT THE, THE ENGINEERED PLAN WOULD BE DESIGNED TO THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE STANDARDS AS WELL AS CITY STANDARDS, I WOULD ASSUME? CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. IS THAT, THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S COMPELLING. SO IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION OF LIKE, DO WE WANNA PUT SOMETHING UP THERE TEMPORARY THAT WON'T NECESSARILY LOOK GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE IT IN MIND THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA IMMEDIATELY COME BACK AND BUILD SOMETHING ELSE ON IT, LIKE A PARKING GARAGE, WHICH I DON'T REALLY THINK IS VERY REALISTIC THAT A PARKING GARAGE IS GONNA GO THERE ANYTIME SOON. SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO GO BUILD IT TO THE FULL SPEC AND HAVE IT ENGINEERED AND DONE THE RIGHT WAY, SINCE THE COST IS STILL WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA SAY, I DON'T WANNA PUT OUR STAFF MEMBERS TO LIKE, START DESIGNING OR EVEN GET INTO THIS. I'D RATHER HAVING A COMPANY THAT DOES FROM BEGINNING TO END. SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO WRONG, THERE IS JUST ONE POINT OF CONTACT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE TALKING TO THE DESIGNER, THE ENGINEERING, AND THEN OUR CREWS, AND THEN WHOEVER'S GONNA DO THE ELECTRICAL WORK. I'D RATHER FOR US TO JUST, UM, OUTSOURCE THIS AND THEN LET OUR STAFF TAKE CARE. WE ARE ABOUT TO GO INTO OUR VISIONING WORKSHOP, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT ROADS, UM, ARE GONNA TAKE MOST OF OUR STAFF'S TIME FOR THE NEXT SEASON. COMMISSIONER COHEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? UM, IS YOUR CITY STAFF FULLY STAFFED AT THE MOMENT? NOPE. BY THE, IS THERE A REASON WHY THE DEVELOPER IS NOT PAYING FOR THESE ROADS? COMMISSIONER COHEN HAS THE FLOOR. SHE ASKED A QUESTION. OH, OKAY. THAT'S FINE. SHE'S WAITING FOR AN ANSWER. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT BRIAN SHOOK HIS HEAD. MY APOLOGIES. I'LL REPEAT THE QUESTION. UH, I WAS WONDERING IF THE CITY STAFF IS FULLY STAFFED AT THE MOMENT. WE DO HAVE SOME VACANCIES. UM, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THE WORK MM-HMM. IF, IF WE'RE ASKED TO DO THAT. UH, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY VACANCIES THEY HAVE IN THERE. I KNOW THEY HAVE A FEW, BUT, UM, AND AMBER, IF YOU HAVE A BETTER ANSWER THAN THAT, BUT I THINK WE, WE CAN DO THE WORK IF, IF ASKED. OKAY. MAY I ASK MY QUESTION NOW? CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE. OKAY. UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY THE DEVELOPER HAS, IS NOT PAYING FOR THESE ROADS? HAS THERE EVEN BEEN, IS THERE, HAS THERE BEEN AN ASK FOR THEM TO DO THAT FOR THE ROADS OR THE PARKING LOTS? THE PARKING. PARKING, I'M SORRY. YEAH. THE PARKING LOT. UM, I HAVE NOT ASKED THAT QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED. I THINK THAT THE REQUEST THAT WE'VE HAD, AS I UNDERSTAND IT BY THE BOARD, WAS TO BRING BACK TO, TO HAVE THE T DISTRICT PAY FOR, UH, THE PARKING LOT. I, I SUPPOSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ON THE FLOOR, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE WAY TO APPROACH IT. YEAH. I GET NERVOUS BONDING OUT ALL THIS MONEY, UH, AFTER LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND, AND COMPARING THEM, I GET A LITTLE, UM, UNEASY THAT WE'RE SPENDING MORE THAN WE'RE BRINGING IN, AND THAT'S GONNA, UH, MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO PAY OFF. SO, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE RUSHING TO MAKE THESE ROADS OR, I, I'VE PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN TO, UH, THE DEVELOPER AND HE SAYS HE NEVER REQUESTED THE TOURIST TO PAY FOR IT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED AGAIN. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. THE PARKING LOTS OR THE ROADS. OH, I'M SORRY, YES, THE PARKING LOTS. OKAY. WE HAVEN'T ASKED HIM FOR THAT, BUT THE ROADS, HE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT AS WELL EITHER. SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A GOOD FEEL OF LIKE, UH, IS THIS TOURS GONNA BE FUNDED FULLY BY THE CITY OR IS THERE GONNA BE ANY, UH, DEVELOPER RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE, THE, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE WE WOULD DO WITH A REGULAR DEVELOPMENT? UM, WELL, I, I, I THINK, I GUESS THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS I WOULD SAY ON THE PARKING LOTS THEMSELVES. UH, I THINK WITH THE CONSTRUCTION LA VERDE PARK, HAVING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK WAS BEEN, HAS BEEN A, YOU KNOW, A PRIORITY FOR US TO TRY TO HAVE SOME LOCATION WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, FOR EVENTS AND PATRONS COMING TO THE PARK TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LOCATION THERE. UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THE, UH, PARKING LOT. UH, SO I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT THE HISTORY OF THAT HAS BEEN. OR, OR THE ROADS. SO THE ROADS THAT I THINK WAS PART OF THE DESIGN FOR THE TOURS TO PAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALWAYS PART OF THAT. BUT I, I KNOW THERE'S OTHERS HERE THAT HAVE SOME MORE KNOWLEDGE ON THAT THAN I DO. OKAY. OKAY. UM, I'M LOOKING AT EXHIBIT A, I'M NOT SURE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I PRINTED THIS OUT OF. ARE THESE PICTURES THE SAME AREA? I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, THAT'S EXHIBIT A IN THE AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO IN EXHIBIT A, I CAN'T TELL IF THAT TEMPORARY AREA IS THE DEDICATED TO THE ISD FOR ADMIN BUILDING OR NOT. THAT'S WHAT WAS CONFUSING TO ME, UH, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IT IS THE SAME SPOT. WHY WOULD WE BUILD, SPEND EVEN A DOLLAR ON AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY DEDICATED FOR THE ADMIN BUILDING ACCORDING TO THE I S D? [00:15:01] GREAT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHERN, THERE'S SOUTHERN TRACT, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE'S, IT SAYS A ONE, 1.546 ACRES, AND THEN UNDERNEATH IT SAYS B 0.753 ACRES. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT VISUAL, BUT I THINK IF, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO SLIDE, UM, THREE LEON, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT SCREEN WE'RE ON, BUT IT'S ALREADY DEDICATED ON SLIDE THREE. I THINK THE SOUTHERN TRACT IS IN GREEN. UH, THERE HAS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING AT LEAST A VERBAL AGREEMENT TO ALLOW PARKING TO BE CONSTRUCTED THERE. UM, SO THAT'S THE SPOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IS THAT THE SAME AREA YOU'RE LOOKING AT? COUNCIL MEMBER? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE VERBAL AGREEMENT AND THAT'S MAKES ME EVEN MORE UNCOMFORTABLE THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN WRITING YET. SO, NO, IT'S, IT'S IN THE ATTACHMENT, IN THE BACKUP. IT'S A JOINT USE AGREEMENT TO ALLOW FOR OH, IT'S FOR THAT AREA? YEAH. FOR PARKING ON THE SOUTHERN DRAFT. OKAY. AND HOW LONG IS THAT AGREEMENT FOR? UH, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS, AT LEAST SINCE WE'VE, IS THERE, IS THERE LIKE AN END DATE TO THAT? DO YOU KNOW THE 20 YEARS? THE, IT'S A 20 YEAR AGREEMENT. 20 YEAR? YES. OKAY. AND IT WAS STARTING FROM SEPTEMBER OF 2020. YEP. SO 2040. OKAY. SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET A GOOD IDEA OF HOW TEMPORARY THIS PARKING LOT IS. UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S PROPOSED PARKING UP TO, UH, WHAT IS THAT? EVEN FURTHER, LIKE IN THIS CORNER? I'M NOT REALLY GREAT WITH THE DIRECTIONAL PART OF IT, BUT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MORE PROPOSED. AND SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE SPENDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THIS PARKING LOT WHEN THERE'S ALREADY PROPOSED PARKING IN OTHER PLACES. IF, IF, IF MEMORY, IF I CAN, MY MEMORY RECOLLECTS, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD THESE PROPOSALS BROUGHT FORWARD, MOST OF THE PARKING THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO LOOK AT WAS AT THE PARK ITSELF. I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING AT PULL IN PARKING LOT, OR NOT SO MUCH A PARKING LOT, BUT PARKING SPACES. BUT I DON'T RECALL ANY CONVERSATION THAT I KNOW OF THAT THEY WERE, WE HAD WANTED THEM TO BUILD, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD INCLUDE 150 SPACES THAT I CAN REMEMBER AT THE TIME. BUT I THINK NORMALLY, LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES. SO IF THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE PARKING SPACES, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE DEVELOPERS WOULD THEN AT LEAST SHARE A COST OR PAY FOR. YEAH. BUT THE, UM, PARKING, I THINK ON THAT END, THE GRAND, THE GRAND DESIGN WAS FOR WALKABILITY THAT WE WERE USING THE VIBE TRAIL FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF, UM, FOOT TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH. AND THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, I, IF I CAN, LIKE I SAID, IF I CAN REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE SHOWING THE, THE CONCEPT PLANS THAT THERE WERE PARKING SPACES, BUT IT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE STREET, IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES OR ON THE SIDE. BUT AS FAR AS THE FULL SCOPE PARKING LOT ITSELF, I, I DON'T RECALL ANY CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH A DEVELOPER TO DESIGN, UH, AN ENTIRE PARKING LOT WITH THIS AMOUNT OF SPACES. DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? WELL, I WAS, I WAS GONNA, I DRAFTED THE AGREEMENT AND THAT I PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP WITH SOME OF THE RECOLLECTION OF THE, THE, THE BIG PICTURE. BUT THE AGREE, THE PURPOSE OF THE AGREEMENT WAS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE CITY AND THE TURS TO USE THE, THE, THE SCHOOL'S LAND TO BUILD THIS PARKING. AND THE, ONE OF THE RECITALS IN THE AGREEMENT SPEAKS TO THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PARKING, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW PUBLIC PARKING FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, VISITING THOSE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE PARKS AND THE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE ZONE. SO IT'S TO PROVIDE AND SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, FOR THE BUSINESS HOURS. BUT THERE WERE ALSO TIMES WHEN THE SCHOOL WOULD BENEFIT FROM BEING ABLE TO USE THE, THE PARKING LOT FOR ITS ITS OWN PURPOSES. AND SO IT, IT'S A, A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE CITY AND THE, THE TOURS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCES, CUZ THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCES. AND THIS IS TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL PARKING BECAUSE TYPICALLY ALWAYS NEED MORE PARKING. AND SO, UH, WHETHER THE DEVELOPER WAS REQUESTED TO PARTICIPATE AND TO BUILD THIS PARKING LOT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IF, IF THE DEVEL DEVELOPER WAS REQUESTED TO DO THAT OR NOT. UM, BECAUSE WHEN IT CAME TO ME, IT WAS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE CITY ON PROVIDING THIS ADDITIONAL PARKING. OKAY. I GUESS I JUST QUESTION, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT THAT IS GOING TO BE BEHIND, HERES [00:20:01] MEMORIAL PARK, CORRECT? YES. NO, THIS IS, THIS IS THE PARKING LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM LAVERDE IN BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE PAC CENTER JUST WEST OF THE PAC CENTER, UH, AND, UH, NORTH TO LAVERDE. OKAY. OKAY. SO BASICALLY THE MAIN USERS OF THAT PARKING LOT WOULD BE OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE USING OUR PARTS AND PROBABLY WALKING TO THE HEROES MEMORIAL PARK AND THE COMMERCIAL AREAS. THAT WILL BE, YEAH. ALONG THE WAY. CORRECT. PRI PRIMARY USE WOULD BE FOR THE PACK LAVERDE AND THEN AS WELL AS IF THERE IS RETAIL, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE NEXT TO LAVERDE, SOME OF THAT RETAIL SPACE, UH, THAT'S RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ALREADY CONSTRUCTED, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PARKING AREA FOR THEM, UH, TO OPEN UP AS WELL. SO IT BENEFITS ALL PARTIES. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT IF OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE BENEFITING IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE TO HASSLE TO GO TO A PARK OR TO THE PARK OR TO THE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S MEMORIAL WALK. I DO SEE WHY WE SHOULD BE PUTTING IN THE BILL. I, I AGREE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS, BUT THEY, THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY HELP IF THEY'RE GONNA BE USING IT FOR THE CAR, FOR THE PACK. WELL, THEY'RE GIVING US THE LAND, SO THAT'S THEIR, OKAY. THAT'S THEIR CONTRIBUTION. WELL, THEY'RE OKAY. TEMPORARILY PROVIDING THE LAND FOR 20 YEARS FOR THIS. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE DECISION POINTS ARE BEFORE US. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? CUSTOMER SOON GO? I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, CHARGING STATIONS INCLUDED IF WE DO CONTRACT THIS OUT AS WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE ELECTRICAL VEHICLES IN THIS PARKING LOT AREA. I KNOW IT'S MAYBE TEMPORARY, BUT JUST TO BENEFIT AND MAYBE MORE, UM, WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPOTS TOO. I DON'T KNOW. I, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW Y'ALL WILL GET MORE INTO THAT, BUT CHARGING STATIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE NECESSARY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT CHARGING STATIONS? WILL THEY THEY AGREE ON THAT? I DON'T, I SAW TWO NO HEAD SHAKES. I SAW ONE YES. HEAD SHAKE THAT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M DEBATING ABOUT JUST PUTTING A PARKING LOT THERE AND SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS ON THAT. WE KNOW I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA STICK. WELL, MY POINT TO THAT BEING, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA STICK CHARGERS IN THERE, IF IT'S GONNA BE TEMPORARY. SO I'M ALL ABOUT SPENDING MONEY IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU GUYS WANNA DO IT, DO IT RIGHT AND BUILD A GARAGE. BUT THIS IS KIND OF, UH, MONEY THAT'S GONNA BE WASTED. I FEEL LIKE, UM, SINCE WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE TEMPORARY. AND DO WE EVEN KNOW HOW LONG, WHEN WE SAY TEMPORARY, HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA BE? ONE, ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO NOTE AS FAR AS THE, THE COLLABORATION GOES IS THAT THERE'S THE SURFACE PARKING TO BE USED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEN AT, AT SOME, AT SUCH TIME THAT THE CITY MAY WISH TO PUT IN AN ABOVE GROUND PARKING GARAGE. THE PARTIES ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE CONVEYED TO THE CITY SINCE THAT BECOMES A MORE, UH, COSTLY ASSET. SO COUNCILOR HEISER, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THE CHARGING STATIONS? I, I MEAN I FEEL LIKE OTHER DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE BEFORE THAT DECISION. I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO IT, BUT I, I STILL KIND OF HUNG UP ON, UH, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COSTS OF WHAT IN IN-HOUSE, WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO IN-HOUSE VERSUS CONTRACT IT OUT. WELL, TO ME, THERE'S TWO FACTORS HERE THAT AREN'T BEING CONSIDERED AS MY INITIAL THOUGHT, UM, WAS TO DO, TO DO IT IN-HOUSE AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S JUST CHEAPER AND MORE, YOU KNOW, EFFICIENT. WE CAN GET TO IT FASTER. BUT NUMBER ONE IS THE PROPOSAL OF PUBLIC WORKS TO GO IN-HOUSE DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LABOR AND OR THE OPPORTUNITY COST. UH, BUT IN ADDITION, THE SCOPE IS DIFFERENT. THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME PARKING LOT. SO THEY'RE TAKING THE LABOR OUT AND THEY'RE TAKING ELECTRICAL AND CURB AND GUTTER AND SOME OF THOSE EXTRA FEATURES. SO IF YOU ADDED ALL OF THAT BACK IN, REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE A SMALL PROFIT PERCENTAGE THAT THE ENGINEERED, YOU KNOW, COMPANY MIGHT USE. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, YOU KNOW, IT MA IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE IT ENGINEERED. AND THEN IN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, I I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT, UH, WE NEED TO BE OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT AFTER WE PUT THIS IN, THE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA WANNA DO IS RIP IT BACK UP. CUZ I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THERE'S JUST SO MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT DE TERRAS IS CONTEMPLATING INCLUDING AN ELEVATED, UH, PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT COULD BE AT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LOCATED HERE. IT WOULD BE LOCATED MORE ALONG THE MAIN RETAIL STREETS, UH, OR POTENTIALLY NORTH WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A SPORTS COMPLEX OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE REASONS I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE IT ENGINEERED AND, AND DO THE FULL, THE, THE FULL SCOPE. BUT WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. MM-HMM. , WOULD IT BE SAFE JUST TO TRY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS? WOULD IT BE SAFE TO GET THE NUMBERS FROM [00:25:01] THIS IS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE FOR THE ENGINEERING, THIS IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE ARE AT TODAY'S PRICING AND THEN GO BACK TO LOOKING AT IN-HOUSE PRICING THAT INCLUDES LABOR, THE AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO DO IT, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, MATERIAL COSTS AND SO FORTH. AND WE CAN ALSO USE, IF WE WENT WITH AN ENGINEERING, IT WILL COST, IT WILL TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO DO ESTIMATED VERSUS IN-HOUSE. WE WOULD TAKE MAYBE EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS, UH, DEPENDING ON STAFF, DEPENDING ON WEATHER CONDITIONS AND SO FORTH. WOULD WOULD Y'ALL BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING ON BOTH SIDES. I HEAR ONE, IT WOULD BE SAFE TO GO WITH ENGINEERING CUZ WE GET ALL THE SPECS. WE COULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE DESIGN, BUT I'M ALSO HEARING ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT YOU KNOW, UH, SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS ON A PARKING WHERE WE CAN POSSIBLY REDUCE SOME OF THE COSTS IF WE DO IT IN-HOUSE. SO I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SEEING WHICH ONE WOULD BE BEST FOR AT THAT TIME. EVEN THOUGH SOME PEOPLE WOULD JUST LOOK AT IT, THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD BE SAYING IT'S JUST A PARKING LOT. WELL, ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS IF WE DO IT IN HOUSE, THOSE RESOURCES, THE STAFF RESOURCES THAT ARE BEING USED MM-HMM. ARE BEING USED FOR AURS PROJECT. UH, WHEREAS IF WE USE A CONTRACT, THEN STAFF CAN BE THEN ALL OF OUR UH, UH, THOSE CREWS THAT ARE PAID FOR OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, THOSE STAFFING, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE DOING CITY PROJECTS MM-HMM. . SO THE, THE, THE TS IS PAID, IS PAID FOR OUT OF CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. AND IT'S INTENDED TO GO TOWARDS PROJECTS LIKE THIS. IF WE BASICALLY, IF CUZ THERE'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY THE STAFF THE LABOR OUT OF THE TS. IF YOU COME UP WITH A NUMBER, IT'S JUST A NUMBER TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT MIGHT COST. IF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY PAYING THEM OUT OF THE TS, WE'RE PAYING THEM OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT MATH INTO CONSIDERATION, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS SAID THAT THEY CANNOT BUILD IT TO SPEC, I'M NOT SURE WE REALLY HAVE REALLY MUCH OF A CHOICE HERE AT THIS POINT. CUZ IF IT HAS TO GO BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE, THEY'RE GOING TO, THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED. UH, JUST THE WAY THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN STANDARD. SO THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CUT ISLANDS FOR TREES AND SOME LANDSCAPING A LITTLE BIT AS WELL AS STANDUP CURB AND GUTTER THROUGHOUT AND ELECTRICAL AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS WHICH PUBLIC WORKS CAN'T HANDLE. MAYOR, MAYOR, UH, MR. SPEARS KEPT REMINDING ME ABOUT THAT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, MY THINKING IS LIKE, LET, I THINK IF WE KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT CHOICE HERE IS, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GAIN ANYTHING BY JUST PUNTING ON THIS AND ASKING FOR STAFF TO CONTINUE TO GIVE MORE FEEDBACK. CAN I SAY SOMETHING TOO CUSTOMER? YEAH. SO, UM, THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP THROUGH THE WHOLE THING WAS IF WE WANTED TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. YEAH. BUT I'M HAPPY JUST DOING PART OF IT WITH THE CONTRACTOR, BUT THIS IS JUST FROM MY SIDE CUZ I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE LATER IF WE'RE GONNA ADD ON. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT CUSTOMER HEISER, UH, JUST REMIND ME, IS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS CONVEYING THE LAND FOR BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OR JUST ONE? UH, THE NORTH SITE IS OWNED BY UM, UH, MO MARK. OKAY. THERE IS A, AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR A PORTION OF THAT LAND TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY. OKAY. THROUGH THE RETAIL ROADS AGREEMENT? CORRECT. BUT NOT ALL OF IT OR ALL OF IT? I BELIEVE JUST PART OF IT, YEAH, JUST PART OF IT. SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO ALLOW FOR THE PARKING LOT TO BE CONSTRUCTED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DETAILS OF THAT EXACTLY ARE. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LAND CONVEYANCE AND AGREEMENT COMPONENT TO THIS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AS WE'RE CONSTRUCTING IT. AND HOW, HOW DID WE LAND ON THE NEED TO HAVE PARKING LOTS ON BOTH TRACKS? I I MEAN, BASED ON THE GROWTH THAT'S TAKING PLACE OVER THERE, DO WE REALLY NEED BOTH? NOW? I DON'T, INSTEAD A SILLY QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. I IT'S A LEGIT QUESTION AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE CAN'T ANSWER IT. UM, IF YOU HAVE A A, AN EVENT AT LAVERDE THAT HAS 500 PEOPLE THERE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA, IT HAS THE CAPACITY FOR I THINK 2,500 PEOPLE, UH, IS THE PARK THAT WE JUST BUILT. AND WHERE DO THOSE 2,500 PEOPLE PARK? I I THINK THERE'S ALSO THE ADJACENCY QUESTION OF JUST THE NORTHERN TRACK NEXT TO THE PARK ITSELF. IT WAS CLOSER AS OPPOSED TO WALKING DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN. AND UM, IT'S HARD FOR US TO, IT'S A NEW PARK. IT'S HARD FOR US TO SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE WE USE IT HOW OFTEN, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE [00:30:01] CAPACITY FOR A LARGE NUMBER. UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD TODAY TO HAVE TO GET, TRY TO GET SOME DIRECTION OF HOW, HOW YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT. UM, BUT I, I THINK BEING RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRACK IS, OR TO THE PARK IS, IS KINDA THE REASON WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NORTHERN TRACK. I THINK MR. LANGLEY, YOU BRING UP A VALID POINT, WHICH IS IT'S A NEW PARK AND WE DON'T KNOW. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS IT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO JUST GO ALL OUT AND BUILD ON BOTH TRACKS? IS THAT, IS THAT THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO? UM, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, MAYBE I'M JUST BEING A LITTLE TOO CONSERVATIVE, BUT LAVERDE PARK IS STILL ONLY 89% COMPLETE AND WE WANNA STICK 250 CARS OUT THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO, UM, WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. SURE. I I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE BOARD TO PONDER. I I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY RESPONSE THOUGH IS NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T BUILD A PARK WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PARKING ACCESS TO IT. SO IT'S A TYPICAL FEATURE THAT YOU'D HAVE NEXT TO SOME KIND OF PARK. CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO PARK THERE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING TOO MUCH PARKING, THEN I THINK YOU COULD LOOK AT EITHER THE NORTHERN TRACK OR THE SOUTHERN TRACK AND TRY TO DO SOME OF IT. UM, BUT I I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT, UH, WE DO NEED TO HAVE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARK. I AGREE WITH THAT. I MAY I SAY SOMETHING, I JUST GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN AMERICA, HARON PARK, UM, EVER SINCE IT WAS BUILT, THAT PARK HAS ALWAYS, ALWAYS, EVEN WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES, HAS PEOPLE AND KIDS PLAYING IN IT. AND WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS, IT ALWAYS BECOMES CHAOTIC. SO HAVING A PARK THAT THAT IS GONNA HAVE SO MANY FEATURES AND SO MANY GREAT THINGS FOR KIDS AND FAMILIES TO ENJOY, I THINK THE RESPONSIBLE THING WOULD BE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PARKING LIKE AS SOON AS WE CAN. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GONNA BE OPENING A PARK THAT BASICALLY HAS NO, PEOPLE HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK. SO, BECAUSE ISN'T THAT THE, UH, THE ARGUMENT AND THE DISPUTE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO LAKE KYLE? YEAH, LAKE KYLE HAS NO PARKING. YES. AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THE, THE CONTROVERSY WE HAD WITH THE FIREWORKS THAT WE HAD. YEP. OKAY. THAT'S LIKE, THERE'S NO PARKING THERE AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THERE. AND SO, UM, THERE COMES A TIME TO WHERE WE GOTTA SAY, OKAY, YES, RIGHT NOW IS IT, IS IT SUSTAINABLE TO DO THIS? BUT I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT FIVE TO 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN THAT PLACE IS UP AND RUNNING, WHERE ARE WE GONNA BE BEHIND ON THAT LEVER THERE ON THAT END? SO THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND SAY, DO WE PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS SO THAT WAY WE COULD BE PREPARED FOR THE PARKING OR, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONSERVATIVE PART, WHICH IS, WHICH IS TRUE, WE WANNA SAVE AS MUCH, UH, TAX DOLLARS AS POSSIBLE. BUT WE HA AS WE'RE BUILDING AND INVESTING INTO THESE PARKS AND THESE RESTAURANTS AND THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING AROUND, UM, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE KYLE FAIR WE JUST HAD JUST RECENTLY AND, AND THE BUSING THAT WAS COMING IN, AND UH, AS MUCH AS I WAS VERY EXCITED TO HAVE IT THERE, I I DID ASK SOMEBODY, WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PLACE? HE GOES, WE CAN'T HAVE FESTIVALS HERE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE PARKING. AND THAT'S WHERE I TOLD THIS PERSON, THIS IS WHERE WE AS A CITY HAVE TO COME IN AND PLAN FOR THIS. IT CAN BE DONE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO UTILIZE PLANNING AHEAD OF TIME. AND, AND THIS IS, I GUESS IT'S THE SAME KIND OF CONCEPT THAT WE'RE SAYING RIGHT HERE WITH THIS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO BE CONSERVATIVE. WE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED, NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY ON IT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT HOW FAST OUR CITY IS GROWING, HOW FAST OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING AND, AND ONE OF, YES, ONE OF THESE DAYS IT WILL BE UP AND RUNNING. AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO THEN? SO IT'S A MATTER OF LIKE, DO WE WAIT AND BE CONSERVATIVE OR DO WE GO AHEAD AND GET THIS GOING AND HAVE IT READY TO GO FOR WHEN THE BUSINESS HAS COME? WE, WE CAN BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. LEON DID, UM, THE, IF WE CHOOSE TO GO THE ROUTE OF THE CONTRACT, UH, AND HAVE IT ENGINEERED THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL OR FROM THE TS BOARD IF WE GAVE IT WOULD BE TO YOU, WOULD YOU GO THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO IT JUST DIRECTLY BE, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU I ALREADY HAVE A FIRM IN MIND. UH, TYPICALLY WE WOULD DO AN RFQ BUT USUALLY DO AN RFQ TO FIND THE MOST QUALIFIED FIRM, UH, TO DO THE WORK AND ALREADY HAVE A QUALIFIED FIRM THAT'S RIGHT THERE. COULD THEY DO AN AD ALTERNATE FOR THE CHARGING STATIONS? CERTAINLY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE, WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH THE BID FOR US TO APPROVE, WE COULD SEE THE COST AND THE POTENTIAL FOR WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT MIGHT WOULD WORK. THEY COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT AS, AS PART, AS SCOPE. SO THEY, SO THEY ADD ALTERNATE [00:35:01] COUNCIL UNI GOOD WOULD JUST BE WE SAY YES TO THEIR PROJECT AND WE ASK THEM TO BID AND THEN THEY WOULD GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL BID, A SEPARATE NUMBER JUST FOR THAT SPECIFIC SO THAT WE COULD THEN AT THAT TIME MAKE A DECISION TO JUST GO FORWARD WITH THE PARKING LOT OR GO FORWARD WITH THE PARKING LOT AND THE, UH, CHARGING STATIONS AT THAT TIME. IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO FIND OUT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. AND, AND IT WAS RESIDENTS THAT CAME AND ASKED ME FOR CHARGING STATIONS AROUND THE CITY. WELL, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE, UH, IT IS THE FUTURE. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. DON'T TRY PUTTING IT IN LATER, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE STARTING A NEW PARKING LOT. BUT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING RAPIDLY. UH, THE CHARGING STATIONS ARE IN THE NEWS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE TESLA'S PLATFORM IS BEING, UH, BROUGHT ON BY, UH, FORD, GM AND REVON. I FOLLOW THOSE. I DON'T THINK I'LL EVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD ONE, BUT I FOLLOW IT. AND SO THEY'RE NOW ALL USING THE SAME PORTS. SO IF YOU GO WITH THE AMERICAN, WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS IT? THE AMERICAN SOMETHING. THERE'S SOME, THEY'VE GOT, THERE'S SOME OTHER LIKE SPECIFIC TYPE OF COMPENSATION. IT HAS SPECIFIC TYPE OF OUTLETS. WE MIGHT EVEN GET REBATE FOR LICENSING FEES. BUT, BUT THE THING IS WHERE THERE'S GOVERNMENT MONEY FOR IT AS WELL. SO IF IT'S WE COULD, WE COULD CHARGE THE COMPANIES FOR LEASING SPOTS THERE. WE, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE THAT WE'VE REALLY MADE SURE THAT THE, THE ACTUAL STATIONS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN WOULD BE USABLE BY THE MOST VEHICLES IS ALL I'M SAYING. MM-HMM. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST A, A QUESTION I GUESS FOR THE FIRM OR FOR SOMEBODY WHO WOULD NEED TO TAKE INTO THAT. SO, UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE WHOLE TRACKED CONTRACT, UH, OPTION OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND ASK FOR THE ENGINEERING FIRM TO BRING BACK AN ADD ALTERNATE PROPOSAL, UH, TO INCLUDE A LIMITED NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. IT'S MOTION BY THE MAYOR. IT'S SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER, DO WE KNOW WITH THE, WITH THE TRACK THAT'S OWNED BY MO MARK A ANY OF THE LOGISTICS AROUND WHETHER WHEN, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE CONVEYED TO US IN THE FUTURE? SO IF WE'RE GONNA INVEST THIS MONEY TO BUILD THIS PARKING LOT, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM AND GET THAT INFORMATION. YEAH, WE, WE'LL WORK WITH THAT AND GET THAT INFORMATION. DO WE HAVE THEIR PERMISSION YET? EVEN, I JUST NEED TO REMIND MYSELF OF THE ORIENTATION AND WHERE, WHERE WE ARE ON THE AGREEMENTS WITH THOSE. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF, IF THE BOARD PASSES THIS MOTION, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS DO THAT WORK, GET THE ENGINEERING CONTRACT AND THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT AND ANY INSTRUMENTS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO, TO MAKE THE, UH, THE EASEMENTS OR CONTRACT OR RIGHT OF WAY USE AGREEMENT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. SO IN THEORY WE COULD DO TWO THINGS HERE. WE COULD VOTE YES ON THIS AND ALL THAT WOULD DO IS TRIGGER A PROPOSAL TO BE PUT IN FRONT OF US. IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR. WE WOULD BE WORKING ON THAT AND BRINGING THOSE CONTRACTS BACK TO APPROVE AND THEN WE'D STILL HAVE TO VOTE TO APPROVE THE YES SIR. OKAY. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN WORK ON FIGURING OUT THE CONTRACT WITH YES, YES SIR. THAT'S WHAT I WAS INDICATED. YES SIR. THOSE TWO THINGS. OKAY. UH, THAT MAKES ME MORE COMFORTABLE THAN CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO, UM, STATE IF WE DO THE WHOLE TRACK AND YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 2.5 PEOPLE IN A CAR THAT'S GONNA ALLOW FOR 610 PEOPLE, WHICH I THINK IS EXCESSIVE. SO MY, MY ASK WOULD BE IF WE WERE GONNA DO THE TRACK, IT WOULD DO THE SMALLER TRACK, WHICH WOULD, IF WE TIMES THAT BY 2.5 PEOPLE ALLOW 375 PEOPLE. SO IF, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA SHOW UP TO AN EVENT, UM, AND, AND FOR ME IT'S THE UNKNOWN. WHAT DOES TEMPORARY MEAN? DOES TEMPORARY MEAN FIVE YEARS? WE KNOW AT THIS POINT IT COULD ONLY MEAN AN ADDITIONAL, IT'S 2023 WHAT? 15 YEARS AT MAX? CUZ IF THIS WAS TIME SIGNED IN OR 2020, I GUESS THREE YEARS. SO 17 YEARS. SO I JUST GET NERVOUS TAKING AN INVESTMENT LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS PLUS AND PUTTING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS TEMPORARY. WE'RE JUST GONNA VOTE. THAT'S NOT COSTING. YEAH, THAT'S NOT GONNA, WELL IT COST US TIME FOR SURE. AND, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO INVESTIGATE. I'M JUST SAYING 375 IS SUFFICIENT. IT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR ANYBODY. CUZ THAT ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PACK THAT ALSO HAS, UH, PARKING OVER THERE. SO HOW MUCH IS, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY THE PACK HOLDS? LIKE 50 CARS? I I KNOW THAT IT IS WITHOUT A SINGLE PARKING SPOT, MAYBE 25 TIMES A YEAR. NO, LOOK, I GET IT. THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THERE, DID YOU HEAR WHAT I SAID THOUGH? WHAT? DID YOU HEAR WHAT I SAID? LIKE THE YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW. I GO THERE ALL THE TIME. IT IS PACKED. THE PACK IS PACKED. THE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE WILLING TO ADD ANOTHER A HUNDRED AND UH, 50 PARKING SPACES, WHICH I, WE KNOW WE'LL BRING 375 PEOPLE THERE. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE RELY ON THE PARKING THERE AS WELL AS THE PARKING [00:40:01] THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD, YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOLDING 500 PEOPLE. THE, THE CAPACITY OF LAVERDE ALONE IS 2,500 PEOPLE. TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD. WELL HOPEFULLY THERE'S ALSO PARKING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL. I MEAN, I JUST, WE STRUGGLE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY TO HAVE PARKING. AND SO I THINK WE'RE BEING SUPER GENEROUS WITH 150 PARKING SPACES. THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE THAT'S NOT RETAIL THAT, THAT HOLDS THAT MANY PARKING SPOTS IN THE CITY OF KYLE. SO I'M TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL, NOT TO JUST THIS AREA, BUT TO THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. AND I WANT THEM TO GO AND ENJOY IT AND PARK. BUT THERE IS A HUGE NEED IN THE WHOLE CITY. SO I FEEL A LITTLE BIT SELFISH TAKING 150 SPOTS AND SAYING, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE NEED 244 AND THAT'S JUST FOR OUR PARKING THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PARKING FROM THE PACK NOR THE PARKING FROM THE RETAIL. OKAY. BUT ISN'T GOOD MORE PARKING BETTER THAN RUNNING OUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY A MILLION DOLLARS FOR IT AND BOND THAT OUT. OKAY. BECAUSE THE INTEREST ON THAT ALONE IS PROBABLY $8,000 A MONTH. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE AGAINST THE PARKING YOU NO, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU AGAINST IF IT WERE WERE ME I WOULD SAY BUILD THE GARAGE. WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR STANCE? WHAT IS YOUR STANCE ON THIS? MY STANCE IS IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, LET'S BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. OKAY. AND, AND NOT OVERDO IT. LET'S NOT SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS ON PARKING WHEN THERE'S LOTS OF AREAS ALL AROUND THAT NEED LIFE. OF COURSE. RIGHT. AND SO OF COURSE I FEEL A LITTLE SELFISH PUTTING A MILLION DOLLARS INTO AN AREA THAT'S NOT EVEN DEVELOPED YET. SO WE CAN HAVE PARKING FOR PE PEOPLE IN JUST THAT ONE AREA. BUT ISN'T THAT THE SAME? CAN I ASK, I I NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS CAN BE ENGINEERED IN A WAY THAT COULD BE REMODELED TO HAVE SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR WHENEVER WE DO THE GARAGE, JUST TO HAVE, AS IN LIKE PUT A ROOF ON IT? NO, I THINK SHE'S ASKING CAN WE, CAN WE BEGIN LIKE ENGINEER, ENGINEER IN A WAY THAT AS TIME GOES BY, IT ALLOWS FOR A SECOND FLOOR OR A THIRD FLOOR? THAT WOULD BE, I'M SURE THAT WOULDN'T BE A HORRIBLE THING TO DO. I MEAN AT, AT LEAST I'M PRETTY ENGINEERS CAN DO THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER IN THINKING ABOUT THAT, IF EVEN IF YOU TRY TO DO THAT AS YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING THE SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR OR, OR WHATEVER NUMBER OF FLOORS YOU PUT WITH ALL THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, IT WOULD TEAR UP THE EXISTING PARKING LOT. SO YOU WOULD LOSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'D PUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? KIND OF. BUT, UM, I, I THINK GENERALLY YOU SEE THAT IF YOU'RE DOING, YOU'VE GOT A TWO STORY STRUCTURE AND YOU WANT TO GO TO A THREE OR FOUR STORY STRUCTURE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THE, THE, UM, THE, THE ENGINEERING DONE THAT IT WOULD SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS WE COULD LOOK AT ON THE, UH, THE SOUTHERN TRACK OF APPROACHING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND TRY TO HAVE A LONGER TERM LEASE AGREEMENT OR A LONGER TERM AGREEMENT BEYOND JUST, I BELIEVE IT WAS 20 YEARS MM-HMM. . SO WE COULD EXPLORE THAT AS WELL. IF THAT'S A CONCERN OF TRYING TO GET AS MUCH USE OUT OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL IF THAT'S A CONCERN. YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. IF I KNEW IT WASN'T TEMPORARY THEN I WOULD SAY BUILD IT. I WOULD SAY SPEND THE MILLION DOLLARS AND PUT IT IN THERE. PUT THE CHARGING PLACES IN THERE. IF I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA BE PERMANENT, I WOULD BE ALL FOR THIS. IT MAKES ME A LITTLE UNEASY TO KNOW THIS IS TEMPORARY CUZ NOBODY KNOWS THE TIMELINE. THIS COULD BE NEXT YEAR, THIS COULD BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS COULD BE 50 YEARS FROM NOW. BUT I, I THINK ON THAT MS FLO SCALE, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE WE HAVE WITH DOWNTOWN, THAT IS A PROBLEM. WE DON'T HAVE THE PARKING BECAUSE THE PARK WASN'T PLANNED FOR LARGE EVENTS LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF PARKING. ACTUALLY WE CAN AND WE DO AND THEY'RE GREAT. WE DO, YES WE DO. BUT WOULDN'T IT BE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT IT FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN OUR CITY IS AT A POPULATION OF 80,000, 90,000 AND WE HAVE THIS, THIS, THIS AREA UP AND RUNNING WHERE WE'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF THE GAME IN A SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING, UH, I'M LOOKING AT IT IN THOSE SENSE THAT WE'RE PLANNING AHEAD AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FEARS. UH, AND AND, AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS UM, THE MONEY ISSUE ON THAT END. UM, BUT I GUESS FOR ME IT JUST, IT THERE COMES A TIME TO WHERE [00:45:01] YOU START HAVE TO REALLY START PLANNING FOR UM, FUTURE USE ON IT. AND, AND YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, PEOPLE DO USE THE PACK A LOT. IT IS PACKED THERE. I GO THERE A LOT WITH MY KIDS AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS TO ALTERNATE DAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS IN. YOU'RE HAVING TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO PULL OUT OF THE PARKING LOT AND WAIT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THE STREET FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PARKING SPACES. UM, WE GOT THE HERO'S MEMORIAL AROUND THE CORNER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE BUSINESSES THERE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PACK CENTER. SO IT'S JUST LOOKING FOR ME LONG TERM WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING, FINDING A SOLUTION NOW. SO WE'RE NOT INTO, UH, RUNNING INTO THIS PROBLEM FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW. AND THE TEMPORARY PART IS OF COURSE, YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE IN 10, 15 YEARS, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO GO ON AND WHEN THAT TIME DOES COME UP, THERE COULD BE SOME NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT END OR ON THAT IN, YOU NEVER KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AS GROWING AS IT IS, AS FAST AS IT IS WITH MORE STUDENTS, THAT AREA IS GONNA BE NEEDING TO BE USED QUITE OFTEN. THIS UH, BID THAT WE'LL GET WILL IT HAVE, WILL BE BROKEN DOWN BY NORTH AND SOUTH THEN WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO BOTH. JUST CUZ IF SHE'S MORE OPEN TO DOING ONE THAN THE OTHER, IF SHE VOTES YES AT LEAST WE'LL SHE'LL GET WHAT SHE'S WANTING AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE NUMBERS FOR ONE NORTH VERSUS SOUTH. THE ESTIMATES I GAVE YOU WERE JUST, IF WE BUILD A SOUTHERN HALF ONLY AND UM, I KNOW THAT TALKED TO MR. SPEARS, THAT'S WHAT HE ACTUALLY WANTED US TO, TO LOOK AT DOING. I SAID NO, I'VE GOTTA GIVE COUNSEL. I MEAN THE BOARD SOME OPTIONS AT, AT LOOKING AT SOUTHERN PORTIONAL AND DOING THE WHOLE PARKING LOT. OKAY, SO IT WILL HAVE, SO IF WE VOTE YES TO THE MAYOR'S MOTION, WE WILL HAVE, WHAT YOU'LL COME BACK TO US IS UH, DOLLAR FIGURE FOR BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH AND THEN NORTH AND SOUTH INDIVIDUALLY, WHICH WHICH WE HAVE NOW IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE WHOLE THING WE HAVE. BUT YOU SAID AREN'T WE GOING TO GET AN OFFICIAL ESTIMATE ON COST? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE? OH YES. OUR ESTIMATE COST FOR THE, FOR FOR THE ENGINEERING AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE ENGINEERING, YOUR CONTRACT WILL BE APPROVED AND THEN WE WOULD BID THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND THIS NUMBER SHOULD INCLUDE ENGINEERING. OKAY. YEAH, I LIKE TO COMPROMISE TOO AND SEE THE NUMBERS ON THE SIXTH ON THE SOUTHERN TRACK. UM, BUT ALSO SEE THE NUMBER WITH WHAT IT WOULD COST THE PUBLIC WORKS DOLLAR AMOUNT SO THAT I KNOW HOW CLOSE WE WERE, UM, WHEN WE CONTRACTED OUT VERSUS KEEPING IT IN HOUSE. CAN, CAN WE GET THAT NUMBER IN IN THE NEXT, THE NEXT PRESENTATION? I NEED SOME HELP ON THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS YOU, YOU WANT A NUMBER FOR RIGHT? I WANNA BE ABLE TO COMPARE THE MILLION FOR THE WHOLE TRACK VERSUS THE PUBLIC WORKS WHOLE TRACK SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME BACK AND SAY WHY DID YOU SPEND THREE TIMES MORE? IT, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE SPENT IT, IT WAS A MUCH CLOSER NUMBER. IN REALITY WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU Y YES SIR. WE COULD CERTAINLY COME, I HAVE TO DEFEND THE VOTE. RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE, BECAUSE RESIDENTS MIGHT GET UPSET. SO SURE. I HAVE TO SAY IT WAS CLOSER. WE JUST DECIDED NOT TO DO IT IN HOUSE CUZ OF OPPORTUNITY COSTS. WE, WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU THAT AND THEN TRY TO POINT OUT WHAT WE THINK, AGAIN, THAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE SCOPE OF WORK IS DIFFERENT, BUT WE CAN TRY TO GIVE YOU AS BEST WE COULD, APPLES TO APPLES. RIGHT. UH, COMPARISON. WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU. AND NOW HOW LONG WOULD A PROJECT LIKE THIS TAKE? JUST IS THIS A, I DON'T KNOW, SIX MONTH PROJECT? IT'S A PARKING LOT. THE, UH, CON CONTRACTED TYPE WHERE WE DO, EVERYTHING'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE SIX TO NINE MONTHS EASILY. AND THE UH, PUBLIC COURSE JUST DOES THE BASICS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS, MAYBE A WORTH OF WORK. OKAY. AND, AND THAT'S JUST A GUESS AT THIS POINT. GOOD ENOUGH. THANK YOU LEON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS, WE'VE SEEN PLENTY OF TIMES ON THE EAST SIDE THE LACK OF INVESTMENT WE ARE NOT INVESTING IN OR THIS IS AN INVESTMENT FOR THAT. THE PACK IS THE ONLY COMMUNITY CENTER I WOULD CALL IT IN OUR CITY OR I MEAN EVEN CLOSE. THAT'S WHY EVERYONE USES IT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE, THE VERDE PARK, YOU HAVE THE PACK CENTER, YOU HAVE THE HEROES MEMORIAL PARK, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ACC MEDICAL BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL, PLUS THE RETAIL THAT'S GONNA COME IN. WE, I FEEL WE DO NEED THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT, UH, IN, IN THAT AREA BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN WE DON'T INVEST AND WHICH IS WHAT I'M DEALING WITH IN MY OWN PRECINCT. SO I'M FOR, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT BUILDING UP [00:50:01] THE, THE, UM, THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NEEDED. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SIX 4, 5, 8 TO EIGHT TO ZERO. THERE WE GO. . SORRY, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. ALL [3.  Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the preliminary proposed budget for Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 2 (TIRZ #2) for Fiscal Year 2023-2024.] RIGHT, NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, UH THREE. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED BUDGET FOR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER TWO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023. 2024. MR. VICE CHAIR BOARD MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING FOR THE RECORD, I'M PERVE MOHI CITY'S FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE AND BRING BACK THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO THIS AGENDA ITEM RESPONSE TO THAT DIRECTION GIVEN TO STAFF WHEN WE HAVE PLANNED FOR YOU IS TO SHOW YOU THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR FOR T NUMBER TWO AS WELL AS SHOW YOU A FIVE YEAR FORECAST FOR TS NUMBER TWO GIVEN THE NUMBERS WE HAVE FOR ASSESSED VALUATIONS AND TAX RATES FOR BOTH TAXING JURISDICTIONS. SO WITH THAT I'M GONNA BEGIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT I'M GOING TO SHARE, THEY ARE PRELIMINARY, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS. WE DON'T HAVE THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLES, WE WON'T HAVE THAT UNTIL JULY 25TH. THAT'S THE STATE LAW, UH, DEADLINE FOR THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT TO COMPLETE. THE OTHER VARIABLE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE FOR CERTAIN AT THIS POINT IS THE TAX RATE FOR THE CITY OF KYLE. CUZ WE HAVEN'T, COUNCIL HASN'T SET THAT TAX RATE AND WE ALSO DON'T HAVE THE TAX RATE FOR HAYES COUNTY. BOTH THOSE TAX RATES WILL CHANGE TO SOME EXTENT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT DECIDES FOR NEXT YEAR AND WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THE CITY OF KYLE. SO THOSE, BECAUSE OF THOSE VARIABLES, THESE NUMBERS ARE ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE. SO HERE'S THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, AND I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH LINE BY LINE. IT WON'T TAKE VERY LONG, BUT IT WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD FEEL FOR WHAT NEXT FISCAL YEAR IS GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR TS NUMBER TWO. SO WE BEGIN WITH AN ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE OF 10, $10,086,000. AND THE REASON IT'S 10 MILLION, SUCH A LARGE NUMBER IS BECAUSE IF YOU'LL RECALL THIS YEAR, TER BOARD APPROVED THE ISSUANCE OF $8.265 MILLION IN TURS REVENUE BONDS. SO THAT BOND PROCEED IS IN INCLUDED IN THE BEGINNING BALANCE. SO THE PROJECTED REVENUES FOR NEXT YEAR, NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IF THE TAX ASSESSED VALUATIONS THAT WE ARE USING, WHICH ARE ESTIMATED AT THIS POINT, IF THEY ARE CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER IN THE CERTIFIED S UM, RULE THAT WE RECEIVE. AND THE TAX RATE FOR THE CITY OF KYLE IS CLOSE TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, 50.82 CENTS. THE ESTIMATED TAX INCREMENT FROM CITY OF KYLE TO TS NUMBER TWO WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILLION. AND IF YOU RECALL THIS TS IS A 50% T 50%, UH, INCREMENT GOES TO THE TS FUND. THE OTHER 50% OF THE TAX REVENUES WILL GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. LIKEWISE, LINE NUMBER FIVE FOR HAYES COUNTY, WE'RE ESTIMATING APPROXIMATELY $920,000 FOR THEIR PORTION OF TAX INCREMENT REVENUES TO COME INTO THE T FUND. IN ADDITION ON LINE SIX, YOU WILL [00:55:01] SEE ESTIMATED OR PROJECTED BOND PROCEEDS FROM THE NEXT SERIES OF BOND ISSUANCE OF $15.3 MILLION. SO WHEN YOU ADD THOSE ALL THREE NUMBERS, THE INCREMENT REVENUES FROM CITY OF KYLE, THE PROJECTED OR ESTIMATED INCREMENT REVENUES FROM HAYES COUNTY, AND THE BOND PROCEEDS FOR THE NEXT ISSUANCE OF TS REVENUE BONDS, THAT EQUALS $17.7 MILLION. SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT PLUS THE BEGINNING BALANCE, WE WILL HAVE 27.8 MILLION ESTIMATED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 24. SO THAT'S ON THE FUND OF AVAILABILITY SIDE OF THE EQUATION. NOW I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. SO BEGINNING ON LINE 13, THIS IS WHERE THE OPERATING TYPE EXPENDITURES ARE LISTED. WE'RE ESTIMATING LEGAL SERVICES AT ABOUT $5,200. PUBLIC NOTICES, $4,400. LANDSCAPING AND GROUND KEEPING MAINTENANCE FOR LAVERDE PARK IS ESTIMATED AT 60,500. LANDSCAPING GROUNDSKEEPING MAINTENANCE FOR HEROES MEMORIAL PARK IS ALSO ESTIMATED AT 60,500. THE GROUNDSKEEPING MAINTENANCE FOR THE UH, PACK IS 30,300. THE DEATH SERVICE, WHICH IS PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DUE NEXT YEAR ON THE TAS BONDS, WE JUST RECENTLY ISSUED THIS FISCAL YEAR, THE 8.2 MILLION, THE DEATH SERVICE ON THAT IS GOING TO BE $507,036. THAT NUMBER IS VERY SPECIFIC AND IS PRETTY MUCH CAST IN STONE. WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST IS GOING TO BE FOR NEXT YEAR, CUZ THE BONDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED. WE HAVE AGREED WITH THE BOND HOLDERS WHAT THE PAYMENTS WILL BE. AND THEN ON LINE 20, THIS IS THE REIMBURSEMENT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE LOAN GIVEN TO TS NUMBER TWO FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF HEROES, MEMORIAL PARK AND LAVERDE PARK. WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THE BOOKS ON LAVERDE PARK YET BECAUSE IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT SO FAR IT'S ABOUT 17.2, $17.3 MILLION BETWEEN THE TWO PARKS. SO THE, THE PAYMENT COMING BACK FROM TS NUMBER TWO FOR NEXT YEAR IS $400,000. SO WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THE OPERATING TYPE EXPENDITURES, THAT'S $1,068,000 ESTIMATED. NOW STARTING WITH LINE NUMBER 25, THESE ARE THE C I P OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT EXPENDITURES PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR FOR TORS NUMBER TWO. YES MA'AM. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SO LINE ITEM NUMBER 20, OH, NOT 20 LINE ITEM NUMBER 19. UM, WHEN DO WE START PAYING INTEREST ON THAT 15.3 MILLION? THAT IS UP UNDERESTIMATED REVENUES AND BOND PROCEEDS. SO TYPICALLY WE ISSUE BONDS OR TRY TO ISSUE BONDS. THE TIMING OF THE BONDS SUCH THAT PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST WILL NOT BE DUE IN THE FIRST YEAR. SO IF WE ISSUE THE DEBT AROUND MAY, JUNE TIMEFRAME, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE PLANNING, UH, THE DEBT SERVICE WILL NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, 1.2 MILLION WAS BORROWED FROM OUR CITY FUNDS. WHO CAME UP WITH THE $400,000 TO PAY BACK 1.2 MILLION? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE CITY OF KYLE FUND SUMMARY BUDGET STATUS REPORT, UM, TRANSFER ENDS, OH, THAT WAS JUST FOR ONE YEAR. THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF TRANSFERS THAT THE GENERAL FUND HAS LOANED TO T NUMBER TWO IS ABOUT 17 MILLION IN ROUTE NUMBERS. OKAY, SO THE, WHY ARE WE ONLY PAYING BACK 400,000? SO, BECAUSE THE TS HAS OTHER CAPITAL EXPENDITURES PLANNED. SO THE AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TS FUND DOES NOT GO NEGATIVE, THE REPAYMENT OF THE GENERAL FUND LOAN IS SPREAD OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. [01:00:02] SO NEXT YEAR'S PAYMENT IS 400,000, BUT IT IS UP TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD CAN CHANGE THIS NUMBER. YEAH. CUZ IF WE PAY 400,000, THAT'S GONNA OUTLAST THE AMOUNT, THE, THE TERM OF THE TURF. IF WE'VE GOT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PLANNED AS SUCH THAT BEFORE TES EXPIRES, THAT THE LOAN WOULD BE REPAID. BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL NOW THAT TES EXPIRATION HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO 2056, I BELIEVE. 57. 57, THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN LINE ITEM NUMBER 33. IF YOU GO TO LIKE 34, WHICH IS BLANK, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT IS THE RESERVED AMOUNT REQUIRED FOR THE 15 MILLION THAT'S GONNA BE BONDED OUT? WE DON'T KNOW YET. UH, IT'S NOT EVEN A LINE ITEM. RIGHT. AND SO ONCE WE BEGIN ON THE MARKETING OF THAT, THE BOND WE START DISCUSSING WITH UNDERWRITERS, WE DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT WE WILL BE REQUIRED FOR RESERVE. UH, PART OF THAT RESERVE COULD BE PAID WITH INSURANCE OR ASURITY. UH, PART OF IT COULD BE CASH. IN THE LAST OR THE FIRST BOND ISSUANCE 50% WAS FROM CASH. WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON LINE 33, IT IS 50% OF THE BOND RESERVE REQUIRED. THE OTHER 50% WAS FROM A SURETY BOND. SO DEPENDING ON THE CASH POSITION OF THE, OF THE TS, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE READY TO ISSUE THE DEBT, WE WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RESERVE REQUIREMENT WILL BE AND HOW BEST TO FUND IT. CAN WE PUT A LINE ITEM ON THERE? EVEN IF, CUZ THERE'S SOME THAT ARE BLANK TOO, LIKE IT SAYS GENERAL ADMINISTRATION AND THAT'S BLANK. CAN WE JUST DO LIKE 34 AND THEN PUT REQUIRED BOND RESERVE FOR TOURS, BOND SERIES 2024. CERTAINLY WE CAN DO THAT. SO GOING BACK TO C I P, OUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES NEXT YEAR, LINE 25, THESE ARE THE THREE RETAIL ROADS. 8 MILLION THAT CAME FROM THE BOND PROCEEDS THAT WE ISSUED BONDS. THIS, THIS YEAR, SERIES 2023, LINE 26, 27, AND 28 ARE THE THREE PLANNED ROUNDABOUTS IN, IN TS. NUMBER TWO, ROUNDABOUT AT CROMWELL DRIVE AND KOHLERS ROUNDABOUT AT BENNER ROAD AND KOHLERS. AND THE THIRD ONE IS AT SANDERS AND KOHLERS. THEY'RE EACH ESTIMATED TO BE SLIGHTLY OVER 5 MILLION. HOWEVER, THE EXPENDITURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING FOR NEXT YEAR IS ESTIMATED AT 1.5 FOR EACH IS TO GET THOSE PROJECTS STARTED, MEANING FOR DESIGN RIGHT AWAY, ACQUISITIONS, UTILITIES, THOSE GROUNDWORK STARTING NEXT YEAR FOR THE ROUNDABOUTS. AND THE LAST ITEM FOR THE CAPITAL REQUIREMENTS IS LINE 29, WHICH IS WHAT LEON WENT THROUGH EARLIER WITH THE BOARD, THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT ESTIMATED AT A MILLION DOLLARS. SO WE'VE, WE'VE INCLUDED THE MILLION DOLLARS, THE TOP END OF THAT COST ESTIMATE. SO WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THE CIP PROJECTS THAT ADD UP TO 13,500,000 FOR NEXT YEAR PLANT EXPENDITURES, BECAUSE THESE ARE ESTIMATE THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS WILL BE LESS OR THEY WILL BE LESS AND MORE BETWEEN THE LINE ITEMS, BUT IT'LL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, FORECASTING FOR NEXT YEAR. SO WHEN YOU ADD UP THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, THE OPERATING EXPENDITURES AND THE BOND RESERVE REQUIREMENT, THE BOND RESERVE IS ALSO JUST LIKE THE DEBT SERVICE. IT IS A FIRM NUMBER. WE CANNOT CHANGE THAT AND WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR IT. SO WHEN YOU ADD THOSE ALL THREE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS, THE ESTIMATE FOR NEXT YEAR IS 1414 0.8 MILLION. SO WHEN YOU NET THE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE FUNDING AVAILABILITY OF 27.8 MILLION, WE LE WE ESTIMATE THAT A FUND BALANCE OF 13 MILLION WILL BE REMAINING IN TS NUMBER TWO FUND AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR AND 2024. SO THAT'S THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED BUDGET FOR TS NUMBER TWO. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT ME TO HAVE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LEO? COUNCIL MEMBER FLOKI? ALL RIGHT, [01:05:01] SO GOING BACK TO THE LINE, UH, WHEREVER THIS IS, THIS IS FUND SUMMARY BUDGET STATUS REPORT. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON LINES NUMBER 31, 36 AND 37. SO, UM, STARTING WITH 37, IT LOOKS LIKE ACTUAL, UH, SPENT IN 2020 TO 2021 WAS 468,000, AND THEN IT WENT TO 2 MILLION AND THEN IT WENT TO 400,000 AND THEN 500,000 AND 500,000. WHY IS THAT THE LAST, UH, FOR PROPOSED? WHY IS THAT ZERO? OH, UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT COUNCILMAN, OH, SORRY. BOARD MEMBER FLORES KALE. UH, WHICH DOCUMENT YOU'RE, IS IT PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET? YES, IT'S THE FUND SUMMARY BUDGET STATUS REPORT. OKAY. THAT'S MY NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION. OKAY, YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY, THEN I'M GONNA WANNA KNOW THAT. CERTAINLY I'LL DEFINITELY ANSWER THAT. SO THIS WAS THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THE 12 MONTHS STARTING OCTOBER 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024. SO ONCE WE ARE, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SECTION. OKAY. SO THE NEXT PART OF MY PRESENTATION IS TO SHOW YOU A FIVE YEAR FORECAST OR A WINDOW, WHAT THE TS FUND IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, I HOPE THIS IS THE DOCUMENT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, COUNCIL, BOARD MEMBER FLOORS, COME, YVONNE. OKAY. SO LET, LET ME GIVE YOU A OVERVIEW OF THE FORMAT OF THIS DOCUMENT FIRST SO IT'LL MAKE SENSE AS WE GO THROUGH IT. ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU HAVE THE REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES AND ACROSS, WE HAVE SIX COLUMNS, YEAR ONE THROUGH YEAR NUMBER FIVE. THESE ARE EACH FISCAL YEAR. AND AT THE END, THE SIXTH COLUMN IS BASICALLY A TOTAL OF THE FIVE YEARS. AT THE END OF THE FIFTH YEAR, WHAT IS THE PICTURE GONNA LOOK LIKE? SO LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH YOUR NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE PROPOSED BUDGET WE JUST WENT OVER. SO YOU WILL SEE HOW THIS WORKS. SO IS THIS THE FUND SUMMARY BUDGET REPORT? THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR FINANCIAL FORECAST. OKAY. MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE. YEP. OKAY. THAT'S, YEAH, THAT WASN'T THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I'M, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FUND SUMMARY BUDGET STATUS REPORT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS THAT HAVE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET? YES. . YEAH. OKAY. I CAN, I'LL, I'LL LOOK, I'LL TELL YOU WHICH ONES IN, BUT YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH I'LL, I'LL LISTEN AND LOOK. YEP. WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE SAME THING. IT SHOULD BE THE SAME. YEAH, IT IS THE SAME THING. OKAY. IT'S ALL, ALL IN THE AGENDA ITEM. THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE A LITTLE CONFUSED ON. OH, IT JUST HAS DIFFERENT TITLES. YEAH. YEAH, IT DOES. OKAY. YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHY. YEAH. WELL IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION EITHER. THIS STARTS WITH, UH, 10,000,008, SIX, AND THIS HAS BEGINNING IS LIKE EMPTY, BUT THIS IS WHAT I'M ON. BUT YOU GO AHEAD AND I'LL LIKE, OKAY, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GOING OVER, YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER, FINANCIAL FORECAST IS A SNAPSHOT ON THE DAY IT WAS PREPARED. RIGHT AFTER I GET DONE, THE NUMBERS START MOVING CUZ EVERYTHING IS A FORECAST. EVERYTHING IS AT AN ESTIMATE. AS NEW NUMBERS COME IN, WE UPDATE THE FORECAST. SO YOU'RE NUMBER ONE. WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE BEGINNING BALANCE FOR TER NUMBER TWO IS GONNA START WITH ABOUT 10 MILLION. LINE NUMBER ONE IS THE ESTIMATED REVENUE FOR TAX INCREMENT FROM HAYES COUNTY $920,000. HERE AGAIN, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE BASED ON PRELIMINARY ASSESSED VALUATIONS. THAT WILL CHANGE BY THE TIME WE GET TO CERTIFIED TAX RULES. THE TAX RATES FOR HAYES COUNTY. THE TAX RATES FOR THE CITY OF KYLE WILL CHANGE BY THE TIME WE GET TO ADOPTION OF THE CITY'S BUDGET. LINE NUMBER TWO, THE BOND PROCEEDS, WHICH ARE PLANNED FOR NEXT YEAR, 15.3 MILLION. LINE NUMBER THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. THESE ARE THE CITY'S PORTION OF TAX INCREMENT. IF YOU REMEMBER FROM OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION, CITY, UH, TAX RATES, PROPERTY TAX RATES HAVE TWO COMPONENTS. THE MAINTENANCE [01:10:01] AND OPERATION COMPONENT AND THE INTEREST IN SINKING FUND COMPONENT, WHICH MAKES UP THE TOTAL TAX RATE. SO THE MNO PORTION FROM THE CITY'S TAX INCREMENT IS ESTIMATED TO BE 873,000 I N S PORTION IS 623,000 TOGETHER IS 1.5 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOWED YOU IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO GATHER BETWEEN BOND PROCEEDS. HAYES COUNTY SHARE. AND THE CITY'S SHARE IS 17.7 MILLION. SO WHEN YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE ARE SHOWING THE DEBT SERVICE FOR EACH OF THE DEBT THAT IS PLANNED TO BE ISSUED. AND YOU WILL SEE ACROSS THAT EACH COLUMN HAS A NEW DEBT SERVICE ADDED ON. IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE ISSUING DEBT IN 23, WE DID THE 8.2 MILLION. WE'RE ISSUING DEBT IN 24, WHICH IS 15.3 MILLION. WE'RE ISSUING DEBT IN 26 AND THEN WE'RE ISSUING DEBT AGAIN IN 28 FOR THE PLANNED C I P EXPENDITURES. AND MOVING ON DOWN THE EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENTS HERE WE HAVE THE OPERATING EXPENSES UNDER YEAR NUMBER ONE, LEGAL, PUBLIC, UH, NOTICES, LANDSCAPING GROUNDS MAINTENANCE FOR LAVERDE PARK LANDSCAPING, GROUNDSKEEPING FOR HEROES, MEMORIAL PARK GROUNDS KEEPING AND MAINTENANCE FOR PACK 30,000. AND THE REPAYMENT OF THE LOAN TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND 400,000. THIS MAY SHOW YOU THE, THE QUESTION YOU HAD BOARD MEMBER, UH, FLORES SCALE EARLIER. WHAT IS THE PROJECTED REPAYMENT SCHEDULE? SO OVER THE FIVE YEAR, IT GOES FROM $400,000 IN 2024 TO 475,000 IN YEAR NUMBER FIVE. SO OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD, IT IS ESTIMATED OR PROJECTED TO REPAY $2.2 MILLION. HERE AGAIN, THE BOARD CAN CHANGE THIS NUMBERS IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE. THEN IN SECTION OR LINE 21, THIS IS THE RETAIL ROAD, UH, CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE. WE DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN YET FROM MO HOW THE 8 MILLION IS GONNA BE ALLOCATED BETWEEN THE THREE ROADS. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE THREE ROADS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED. THEY'RE CLEARLY LABELED ON THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST LINE 23 IS FOR AVENUE, A STREET EXTENSION. LINE 26 IS THE CROMWELL ROAD EXTENSION. LINE 29 IS THE, IS FOR THE HEROES PARK DRIVE EXTENSION. THESE THREE ROADS WE HAVE AGREED WITH, UH, THE TS BOARD HAS AGREED WITH THE, THE DEVELOPER THAT THE ROADS WILL COST $8 MILLION. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THE THREE ROADS YET. THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT FOR US. AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT SHORTHAND BEFORE THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED. WE'LL HAVE THOSE NUMBERS CLEARLY DEFINED. AND THEN ON THE LAST SLIDE, ARE THEY ROUNDABOUTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER? FIRST ROUNDABOUT IS ON LINE 20, LINE 32 CROMWELL DRIVE AT KOHLERS 1.5 MILLION AND YEAR NUMBER ONE. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IN YEAR NUMBER TWO, IT'S, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT IN YEAR TWO, 3.6 MILLION ADDITIONAL FUNDS WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE ROUNDABOUT FOR A TOTAL PROJECT COST OF 5.1 MILLION. LIKEWISE, FOR THE OTHER TWO ROUNDABOUTS, SIMILAR ESTIMATES, UH, THESE ARE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES FOR EACH ROUNDABOUT. THE FIRM ESTIMATES WILL COME AFTER THE DESIGN IS COMPLETED, AT LEAST 30% OR 60% WILL HAVE A, A BETTER NUMBER AT THAT POINT. LINE 35 IS THE PARKING LOT. AND THEN LINE 36 IS THE PLANNED PARKING GARAGE, WHICH IS PLANNED FOR DESIGN TO BEGIN IN YEAR NUMBER THREE OR YEAR FISCAL YEAR 26 WE'RE, WE'RE ESTIMATING FOR THE PARKING GARAGE TO COST APPROXIMATELY $10 MILLION. THESE ARE ALL VERY PRELIMINARY, UH, DOLLAR ESTIMATES. WE'VE LOST OUR QUORUM. OH, SORRY. WE HAVE FIVE PRESENT. WE HAVE QUORUM FIVE PRESENT. WELL, YEAH, WELL WE HAVE TWO ONLINE. WE, [01:15:01] WE GONNA HAVE SO, UM, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY ACTION. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ACTION AT THIS TIME. YEAH, IT'S A POST IT'S POSTED AND PEOPLE, PEOPLE CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION. BUT NO, NO ACTION. JUST DISCUSSION. JUST, JUST DISCUSS. YES. JUST SO THIS WILL BE DISCUSSION CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE LOST OUR IN-PERSON QUORUM RIGHT NOW. SO, UH, IF WE COULD JUST CONTINUE, I GUESS GO ON WITH OUR PRESENTATION AND WE'LL JUST GO FROM THERE. YES SIR. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT LINE ON THIS FORECAST IS THE LAST LINE, THE ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE ACROSS THE FIVE FISCAL YEARS AND WHAT THAT PICTURE LOOKS LIKE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT YEAR NUMBER ONE, WE'RE ENDING THE FISCAL YEAR WITH 13 MILLION. MOST OF IT IS BOND PROCEEDS BECAUSE WE HAVE, BY THEN WE HAVE TWO BOND ISSUANCES. YEAR NUMBER THREE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WERE UNDERWAY. AND YEAR NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE NEARING COMPLETION. IN YEAR NUMBER TWO, THE FUND BALANCE DROPS TO 2.6 MILLION. THEN YEAR NUMBER THREE GOES BACK UP TO 10.9 MILLION BECAUSE WE ARE NOW ISSUING THE THIRD SERIES OF, UH, TAX INCREMENT REVENUE BONDS TO PAY FOR THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. YEAR NUMBER FOUR DROPS DOWN TO 7.4 MILLION. AND THEN YEAR NUMBER FIVE, UH, WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE GOING BACK TO OUR NORMAL OR AVERAGE, UH, FUND BALANCE OF 3.9 MILLION BY THIS TIME, BY YEAR NUMBER FIVE, UM, MOST OF OUR C I P THAT WE WENT OVER THE ROUNDABOUTS, THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED IF LEON FINISHES THEM ON TIME. , NO PRESSURE. LEON. UM, PEREZ, BEFORE WE GO ON, I I DID, I DID WANNA CLARIFY, I THINK I IDENTIFIED THE DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR KALE WAS LOOKING AT. SO THERE IS, UH, THE BUDGET THAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR 2324. THERE'S A, THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU WENT THROUGH IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND WE ALSO ATTACHED THE LINE ITEM DETAIL, WHICH HAD NOT ONLY 23, 24, BUT THE OTHER FISCAL YEARS THERE, THE ACTUALS, THE BUDGET FOR THE CURRENT YEAR ENCUMBRANCES AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO SUMMARY, RIGHT? YEAH. YES SIR. SO I JUST WANTED TO TRY TO, UH, CLARIFY THAT I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION EARLIER. WE ATTACHED THAT AS AN EXHIBIT. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FORECAST, THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST BEFORE I MOVE ON AND SHARE WITH YOU THE ASSUMPTIONS WE HAVE USED IN THE ESTIMATION AND PROJECTIONS OVER THE FIVE YEARS? SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION FLOOR SCALE, UM, FOR THE REQUIRED BOND RESERVE FUNDS FOR SERIES 2023. OH, THAT'S JUST FOR 2023. THAT'S, SO WHY WOULD WE NOT PUT IN THE AMOUNTS? CUZ WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BOND OUT IN 20 24, 20 25 AND WE'RE GONNA BOND OUT AGAIN. SO WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE LINE ITEMS FOR THOSE RESERVE FUND AMOUNTS AS WELL? BECAUSE I'M, I'M AT THIS POINT I'M ESTIMATING THAT THOSE WILL BE COVERED WITH SURETY BONDS. WE WON'T NEED ANY CASH FOR IT. OKAY. BUT AS WE GET CLOSER, WE'LL KNOW FIRM AMOUNTS, BUT I CAN ADD A LINE THAT WILL SHOW FOR THE DIFFERENT SERIES, BUT WITHOUT A NUMBER. OKAY. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, SIR. SO YES, SIR. WHEN IT GOES TO THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, WHEN YOU'RE GOING WITH SPECS, WE, WE HAVE ADOPTED, I GUESS THE ROUNDABOUT SPECS FOR CITY ACCORDING TO THE WIDTH AND SO FORTH ON THAT. CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD, SO THIS WOULD BE THE ENGINEERING WOULD BE CON FORMULATED ON THE CURRENT SPECS, OBVIOUSLY, CORRECT? YES SIR. IT'LL BE BASED ON THE CITY'S SPECS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE. OKAY. UM, SO ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, DOES THIS NOT HAVE THE, UM, DEBT SERVICE FOR THE BONDS INCLUDED AS WELL? I KNOW IT'S, IT'S ON THE PROPOSED OPERATING AND C I P. SO IF YOU LOOK ON LINE SIX THROUGH 13, IT HAS A SLIDING INCREASE IN DEBT SERVICE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST. OKAY. BUT, OKAY, SO BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE, I HAVE ASSUMED THAT EACH OF THE BOND SERIES, WHEN THEY'RE ISSUED IN THE FISCAL YEAR THAT THEY'RE ISSUED, THERE WON'T BE ANY PRINCIPAL INTEREST, DO YOU? IT'LL BE IN THE, [01:20:01] STARTING WITH THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO YOU WILL SEE PRINCIPAL INTEREST BEING ADDED EACH FISCAL YEAR AFTER THE BOND ISSUANCE HAS HAPPENED. OKAY. SO ON LINE ITEM 6, 430 $7,036, THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE DEBIT THE DEBT SERVICES OF 507 AND $36 UHHUH. SO YOU HAVE TO ADD, OH, THAT PLUS A 70 PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST. OKAY. JUST LIKE YOUR MORTGAGE PRINCIPAL INTEREST MAKES UP THE DEBT SERVICE. ALL RIGHT. SO THE, SO LET ME ASK YOU THE 2023 BONDS, HOW, HOW MANY YEARS WILL WE PAY? WILL WE BE PAYING FOR THOSE 30 YEARS? 30 YEARS? SO ESSENTIALLY THAT BOND THAT WE TOOK OUT FOR 8 MILLION IS GONNA COST OUR, OR THE TAXPAYERS, DEPENDING ON HOW WE FUND IT. 15.2 MILLION IN INTEREST, OR I GUESS IN, IN, IN PAYMENTS. I GUESS IF I JUST DID THE INTEREST, IT WOULD BE, UM, THE EASIEST WAY TO, TO BALLPARK THAT AMOUNT IS TAKE THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT TIMES 1.6. OKAY. THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT IS WHAT THE TOTAL PAYMENT WILL BE AT THE END OF THE TERM. SO 8 MILLION TIMES 1.608 MILLION. OKAY. YEAH. 12.8 MILLION. AND THAT'S THE, IS THAT THE OVERALL COST OR IS THAT, THAT'S THE OVERALL COST PLUS THE ISSUANCE COST TO HER. OKAY. SO, OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO EIGHT, SO 4 MILLION, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? I'M CONFUSED. SO THE NUMBER THAT I GOT WAS 12. OH, MAYBE I DID THAT WRONG. 8 MILLION. AND YOU SAID TIME THAT BY, SO LET ME, LET ME SHOW YOU. I HAVE, I HAVE IN PART OF THE ASSUMPTIONS. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE MAJOR ASSUMPTIONS INCLUDED IN OUR FORECAST. THIS IS WHAT HELPS DRIVE THE FORECAST NUMBERS. NUMBER ONE, GROWTH RATE FOR TAXABLE ASSESS VALUATION. WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S A 15% ANNUAL GROWTH, WHICH IS CONSERVATIVE CONSIDERING THE GROWTH RATE THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED SO FAR. IT IS A NEW AREA. IT'S, IT'S, UH, HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND IT IS GROWING. OUR PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE TAX YEAR, NOT FISCAL YEAR, TAX YEAR 23 FROM HAY HAYES CAD, SHOWED THAT THE PROPERTY VALUATIONS ON THE TAX ROLL. MIND YOU, THESE ARE PRELIMINARY, WE DON'T HAVE THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLL YET. WENT UP BY 45%. SO GIVEN THAT AS A BACKDROP, 15% IS, IS CONSERVATIVE. NOW, IN THE FUTURE YEARS IT WILL TAPER OFF AS THAT ZONE DEVELOPS, IT WILL NOT BE GROWING AT 45% PER YEAR. IT WILL BE A LOT LESS. SO IN THE FUTURE YEARS WE'RE, WE'RE FORECASTING 5% AND 3%. OKAY, WELL IS IT, BUT IN THE EARLY YEARS IS 15% PER YEAR. SO 20 22, 20 23 WAS ACTUALLY NEGATIVE. 13.9% IT LOOKS LIKE. NO, UH, WELL I GUESS ON THE FUND SUMMARY BUDGET STATUS REPORT THAT I, OKAY, I'LL GET TO THAT. OKAY. , WELL, I I GUESS THAT'S SO YEAH. SO 15% PER YEAR FOR TAX ASSESSED VALUATION, GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, THIS WAS THE LEGAL FEES, THE PUBLIC NOTICES, UH, 5% PER YEAR. HOWEVER, PAIGE IS GONNA KEEP IT DOWN AS CLOSE TO ZERO. LANDSCAPING GROUND SCAPING GROUNDSKEEPING MAINTENANCE COST, WE ARE ASSUMING A 10% COST INCREASE EACH YEAR. THOSE ARE CONTRACTED, UH, SERVICES FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 37.4 MILLION OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD. AND LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT MAKES THAT 37,000,008 MILLION FOR THE RETAIL ROADS IN 23, THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT, 1 MILLION IN 2024, THE THREE ROUNDABOUTS, 15.3 MILLION OVER THE FISCAL YEAR'S, 24TH THROUGH 25 PARKING GARAGE, 10 MILLION OVER THE, OVER THE PERIOD 2026 THROUGH 2028. AND THEN OTHER IMPROVEMENTS [01:25:01] THAT THE BOARD DECIDES IN THE FUTURE. IT'S ANOTHER 12 MILLION AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD FOR FUTURE IN YEARS 26 THROUGH 28. NOW THESE ARE MAJOR ASSUMPTIONS. THEY'RE SUBJECT TO CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. UM, WE DON'T KNOW THE TAX RATES IN THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST PERIOD. WE DON'T KNOW THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLES. SO THOSE VARIABLES WILL CHANGE OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD. SO I HAVE A QUESTION, CHRIS, I'M SORRY. SO, UM, SINCE YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE, YOU ARE ESTIMATING, UH, GROWTH RATE ABOUT 15% PER YEAR, BUT YOU HAVE SEEN THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE GONE AROUND 40 SOMETHING PERCENT PER YEAR. SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE SHOW A LOT MORE REVENUE COMING, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH RATE THAT WE ARE HAVING, WILL WE BE ABLE TO START PAYING MORE TOWARDS THE DEBT THAT WE HAVE IN ORDER TO BRING DOWN MAYBE THE, UH, INTEREST OF WHAT WE ARE BONDING? SO WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION TO CITY MANAGER WOULD BE FOR CONSIDERATION IN THAT SITUATION WOULD BE TO PERHAPS DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES AND PAY MORE WITH, WITH CASH. SO, OKAY. IF WE HAVE A LOT MORE CASH AVAILABLE, YOU'RE BETTER SERVED USING THAT CASH TOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS RATHER THAN BONDING. OKAY. MAKES SENSE. SO THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE OF OF MY PRESENTATION. WE NEED DIRECTION FROM WE, THE STAFF AND CITY, CITY MANAGER ON DOWN. WE NEED DIRECTION FROM THE TST BOARD. AND THESE ARE THE FOUR KEY AREAS WE NEED DIRECTION ON. HAS NUMBER ONE, HAS STAFF INCLUDED ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, CIPS, THAT I JUST WENT OVER AS INTENDED BY THE BOARD. SO I'M GONNA READ THE QUESTIONS FOR Y'ALL TO THINK THROUGH AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. NUMBER TWO IS THE TIMING AND SEQUENCING OF ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THE SAME ORDER AND PRIORITY AS ENVISIONED BY THE BOARD. MEANING THE PARKING LOT, THE RETAIL ROADS, THE ROUNDABOUTS, THE PARKING GARAGE, ARE THEY IN THE RIGHT, THE TIMING OF IT AND SEQUENCING, MEANING WHICH ONE GOES FIRST, SECOND, THIRD. NUMBER THREE, SHOULD STAFF INCLUDE OR ADD ANY OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT TO THE FIVE YEAR C I P PLAN FOR TER NUMBER TWO? AND LASTLY, IF I, IF WE STAFF MISSED ANYTHING IN ONE THROUGH THREE ABOVE, DO Y'ALL WANNA BRING UP OR ADD OR SUBTRACT ANYTHING UNDER NUMBER FOUR? OTHER? ANY THOUGHTS? DANIEL? LAST QUESTION, DANIELLE? UH, PARTIALLY TESTIMONY. I, YES. UM, AND I AM SORRY THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETING. ARE WE INCLUDING IN THIS PROJECT ANY, UM, CROSSWALKS BETWEEN THE LIKE HEROES MEMORIAL PART TO WHERE TACAN IS OR BY THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE ROUNDABOUTS ARE GOING TO GO? YOU KNOW, WHERE THE HEROES MEMORIAL PARK IS AND THEN THERE IS A PACK ONE, ONE THING I DO ALMOST EVERY SUNDAY, AND I KNOW A LOT OF FAMILIES DO IT, IS GO FOR WALKS AND THERE IS ALWAYS A HAZARD TO CROSS THE STREET IN ORDER TO GO TO THE PARK. SO ARE WE INCLUDING ANY CROSSWALKS OR ANY CROSS LIGHTS FOR PEDESTRIANS THAT WANNA GO WALKING BOARD MEMBER, UH, LEON BARBS CITY ENGINEER. THAT WILL BE PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN TO INCLUDE THAT IN THERE. THE CROMWELL VETERAN AND SANDERS ARE THE THREE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. AND THOSE, THOSE WILL HAVE ROUNDABOUTS, THEY WILL HAVE, UH, UH, PEOPLE PROVIDE ACCESSIBILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS AT EACH ONE OF THOSE CROSSINGS. I DON'T KNOW HOW SAFE THOSE ARE. , ESPECIALLY IN COLORS CROSSING THAT PEOPLE GO FLYING IN THERE AND I KNOW WE HAVE A STOP SIGN, RIGHT? THAT THAT KIND OF SLOWS THE TRAFFIC. BUT [01:30:01] I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, THE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO CROSS THE STREET SAFELY AND, AND CALLERS CROSSING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBILITY TO WALKABILITY TO GO TO THE PARK. PARDON? MEMBER FOLKS, ONE OF THE, UH, THINGS ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUTS IS THEY DO SLOW DOWN FOLKS AS THEY GO THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. SO, AND THERE'S ALSO A PROTECTED ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE, UH, TWO LANES GOING IN EACH DIRECTION. IT'S A SAFE HARBOR AREA IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT. SO WE, THAT IS ALWAYS LOOKED AT WHEN WE DO THESE ROUNDABOUTS, IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT AS PART OF THE GUIDELINES THAT WE LOOK AT. BUT WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON DOING THIS ROUNDABOUTS UNTIL 20 24, 20 25, RIGHT? OR IS THAT JUST WHEN THE ENGINEERING OF THE ROUNDABOUTS IS GONNA HAPPEN? UH, AS SOON AS WE'RE DIRECTED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE. AS FAR AS IF WE TRY TO PUT CROSSWALKS, CROSSWALKS THERE TODAY, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UH, RAMPS. WE'D HAVE TO DO ALSO DESIGN RAMPS AND, UH, BUT NOT ONLY PUT IN THE CROSSWALKS, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RECEIVING RAMPS, UH, FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO CROSS THE STREET AND GET TO A RAMP. SO THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO. OKAY. AND THEN MY NEXT ONE WOULD BE, ARE WE PLANNING ON HAVING ANY PUBLIC RESTROOMS BY THE HEROES MEMORIAL PARK? I HAVE HEARD THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT. YES, THO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE'LL TALK ABOUT AT THE VISIONING WORKSHOP. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO ADD AS A T PROJECT. UH, BECAUSE THERE AREN'T RESTROOMS OUT THERE. UM, AND I HAVE HEARD, YOU KNOW, NOT COMPLAINTS, BUT CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE GOING TO VISIT THE PARK. THERE'S NOT A RESTROOM OR A WIRED FOUNTAIN. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO INCLUDE SINCE IT'S INSIDE THE T IT IT CERTAINLY COULD BE. UH, WE, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT AS A PROJECT. AND, UM, JERRY, I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE, THE PRICE TAG OF THAT WAS. I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME ESTIMATES ON THAT. MAYBE YOU COULD CLARIFY THAT. WE, WE DO HAVE IN OUR PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR RESTROOMS AT HEROES MEMORIAL PARK. I THINK THE COST COST WILL BE ONE 50 AND $200,000. I THINK THERE'S ALREADY A COUPLE DOG-FRIENDLY PEOPLE-FRIENDLY WATER FOUNTAINS AT THE PARK. WE LOOKED AT MORE. NICE. BUT, BUT THAT'S PLANNED OUT OF GENERAL FUND DOLLARS. CORRECT. WAS NOT OUT OF THE TURS, UH, TO BE DETERMINED. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S INSIDE THE TUR. SO I, I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, BUT WHAT I DO, I DO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING SOON IN ORDER FOR US TO CROSS THE STREET. I MEAN, I USUALLY GO ON A SUNDAY THAT THE TRAFFIC IS LOW, BUT IF I WERE TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK, I'LL BE THERE FOREVER WAITING TO CROSS THE STREET. SO THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER FLOOR HERE. THANK YOU ALL. I DO HAVE A CONCERN, UM, THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED THE PARKING LOTS AND THERE'S 10 MILLION POSED TO GO INTO A PARKING GARAGE. AND SO MY ASK WOULD BE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MILLION DOLLAR PARKING LOT, WHICH WE ALL SAID WE NEEDED BECAUSE WE NEEDED IT LONG TERM, UM, THAT WE TAKE THAT PARKING GARAGE AND MAYBE PUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING 1 MILLION NOW AND THEN 10 MILLION WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. IT IS THAT THE IS BUT IS THAT THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S PROPOSED AT THE OTHER SPOT? I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THOSE AREN'T THE SAME THINGS. WELL, WELL WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE. THE, I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY THERE WOULD BE TWO PARKING GARAGES. THE GARAGE IS, I I BELIEVE THE GARAGE, IF, IF I'M CORRECT, IS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, WHICH IS, IT'S CLOSER TO THE, UH, TO 1626. UM, JUST SO CAN PEOPLE JUST NORTH OF, UH, HEROES MEMORIAL, CAN PEOPLE PARK THERE AND THEN WALK? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE POINT OF THAT PARKING GARAGE? IT'S IF PEOPLE ARE, IT'S CLEAR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LIKE, OF, UM, IT'S LIKE, SHOW ME IN THE BRICK AND MORTAR AREA. YEAH. WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT, I HAD A REAL QUICK QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF IT IS ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY YES. UH, COMMISSIONER COHEN, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROUNDABOUTS, AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY IS, IS BRINGING UP CONCERNS ABOUT CROSSING, UH, IS THE DESIGN STILL LOOKING AT A TWO LANE, UH, ROUNDABOUT OR IS IT GONNA STILL BE, OR IS IT GONNA BE PROPOSED AS A ONE ONE LANE FOR THE VEHICLES THERE? I MEAN, CUZ OBVIOUSLY KOHLERS IS TWO LANES GOING BOTH IN BOTH SOUTH. AND I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA IS TO SLOW THAT TRAFFIC DOWN. BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO LANES, THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WIDEN IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO, UH, IT'S GONNA BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THE ENGINEERING CONCEPT ON THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, THAT TRAFFIC THERE. AND, AND TO BRING UP TO MISS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY'S POINT, IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL CROSSWALKS, HOW [01:35:01] WOULD THEY LOOK AT, LOOK LIKE AND UH, AND HOW BIG WOULD THAT ISLAND BE? CUZ OBVIOUSLY IT, IT WOULD BE A HUGE ROUNDABOUT IN THOSE AREAS THERE. WE, WE DON'T HAVE DETAILED PLANS YET, BUT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M THINKING IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A TWO-LANE ROUNDABOUT AND WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE, UH, REFUGE THERE FOR PO PERSONS THAT, UH, MAY NOT MOVE AS FAST LIKE ME AND TRY TO GET ACROSS THE STREET. SO WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF REFUGE FOR THEM OKAY. AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THOSE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION GUIDELINES TO DO THAT. OKAY. COUNCIL MAYOR. SO, UH, CAN I JUMP IN THERE? MAYOR PRO TIM, REAL QUICK? OF COURSE. . YEAH, THIS IS, AND THEN I'M GONNA, THIS WILL BE THE LAST AND THEN I'LL HAVE TO, UM, LEAVE THE MEETING. BUT THE, SO TWO THOUGHTS, UM, AND CROSSINGS. SO WE, WE ARE DEFINITELY NEEDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENGINEERING TAKES FULLY, IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT FULLY, UH, PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS. UH, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND, LET'S SAY WE CHANGED COURSE AND WE, UH, JUST DID A SIGNALED INTERSECTION, UH, AT PROMO. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO WALK ACROSS, UH, UM, THAT SIGNALED INTERSECTION, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC FROM LIKE NINE OR 10 DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. TWO, TWO GOING EAST, TWO GOING WEST, MAYBE JUST ONE GOING SOUTH, ONE GOING NORTH, AND THEN NORTH TURNING WEST SOUTH, TURNING EAST. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF MOVEMENT AND THE POTENTIAL FOR VEHICLES TO MISS THE SIGN. AND, UH, FOR A COLLISION TO BE AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED, IF YOU DESIGN THE ROUNDABOUT THE PROPER WAY, YOU NEVER HAVE WITH THE MEDIAN, WHICH, WHICH IS WHERE YOU WOULD STOP, THE WAY YOU WOULD WALK ACROSS IS WITH A, UM, UH, UH, VERY DESIGNATED AREAS WALK ACROSS. YOU'D NEVER HAVE TO WALK ACROSS. UH, YOU'D ONLY HAVE TO LOOK ONE DIRECTION CUZ THERE'D ONLY BE TWO POTENTIAL LANES OR ONE POTENTIAL LANE OF TRAFFIC. SO THE EASE OF GETTING ACROSS A PROPERLY DESIGNED ROUNDABOUT CAN ACTUALLY BE, UM, A MUCH LESS STRESSFUL EVENT WITH A MUCH LOWER PROBABILITY OF A PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE ACCIDENT TAKING PLACE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING, AND AGAIN, YOU GOTTA DO SOME, DO SOME STUDY, DO SOME, UH, LOOKING INTO THE WAY ROUNDABOUTS CAN BE DESIGNED FOR THAT. UH, AND UH, HOPEFULLY THE ENGINEERING THAT WOULD COME BACK WOULD SHOW JUST HOW POWERFUL, UH, THESE ROUNDABOUTS CAN BE FOR NOT ONLY SLOWING THE TRAFFIC DOWN, BUT UM, MAKING IT VERY, VERY SAFE AND EFFICIENT TO CROSS. AND THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS, AS IT RELATES TO THE SEQUENCING OF EVENTS, BECAUSE THE CROMWELL INTERSECTION AND THE BENNER INTERSECTION ARE CONNECTED ON THE NORTH SA, UH, SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, IN THE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE THERE, THE ING DEVELOPMENT WHERE TEX KEN IS AND THE GOLF COURSE AND ALL OF THAT, YOU, THE, THE CROMWELL INTERSECTION CAN NOW BE ACCESSED ALL THE WAY FROM THE NEW SURGICAL LABS, UH, UM, UH, NEAR THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. SO YOU DON'T, IF, IF YOU HAD THAT ROUNDABOUT AT CROMWELL, UH, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SUMMER MOVE AND THEN ACROSS TEXA CAN TO CROMWELL ITSELF AND THEN TURN LEFT AND THEN HAVE A VERY SAFE ROUNDABOUT TO TURN LEFT OUT OF. UH, SAME COMING OUT OUT OF THE PACK PARKING LOT, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THERE, IF YOU'RE AT A R C AND YOU'RE WANTING TO GET OUT AND TURN LEFT, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO TURN LEFT AT A BANNER. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GO, UH, UH, TO THE HEROES FROM MOR PARK CROMWELL ENTRANCE, UH, AND THEN GO TO THAT ROUNDABOUT AND TURN LEFT. I SAY ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THE SEQUENCING IS BEING PROPOSED TO BUILD THE ROUNDABOUTS BEFORE THE PARKING GARAGE. AND MY, MY, UH, ASK FOR THE COUNCIL WOULD BE TO CONSIDER PRIORITIZING THE CROMWELL INTERSECTION AND THE SANDERS INTERSECTION FIRST AND THEN IN ENGINEERING ALL OF THEM. UH, NOW, BUT THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE FIVE YEAR C I P PUTTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BID ROUNDABOUT BEHIND THE C I P PLANS FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, BECAUSE AS IT DEVELOP, AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THE, UM, UH, THE BRICK AND MORTAR DISTRICT, UH, IF WE GET, UH, UH, MOVEMENT NOW, SOME, THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, THE, THE GARAGE NEEDS TO HAPPEN COMMENSURATE WITH A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. SO IT COULD BE A, UH, ENTERTAINMENT VENUE ON [01:40:01] THE NORTH SIDE. UH, IT COULD BE A MAJOR, UH, GROCER PLUS, YOU KNOW, THREE STORY BUILDINGS WITH, UH, GROUND FOUR RETAIL WRAPS ALL AROUND THE NEW RETAIL ROADS. THAT CORNER, IT COULD BE A CONVENTION CENTER. THESE ARE DEALS THAT WE HAVEN'T PUT TOGETHER YET. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FUTURE IS. BUT THERE COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE THE, THE GARAGE, UH, THE, THE NEED TO, TO TO CONSTRUCT THE GARAGE, UH, CONCURRENT WITH DEVELOPMENT, UH, MIGHT ACTUALLY BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE OVERALL TOURIST PROJECT THAN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE THINNER ROUNDABOUT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY IS REGARDS TO CROMWELL. WE'RE GETTING READY TO CONSTRUCT THESE ROADS, THE, THE DESIGN AND THE ENGINEERING FOR THE, UM, CROMWELL NORTH. AND THEN I THINK THEY'RE CALLING IT AVENUE A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF THAT ROAD WOULD BE, BUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE, EAST AND WEST, UH, THAT'S ALL THOSE PLANS ARE ALREADY IN WITH STAFF AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING TO START CONSTRUCTION, UM, MAYBE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, EVEN ON THOSE ROADS. IT WOULD BE WISE, I THINK, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND CONSTRUCT THE CROMWELL ROUNDABOUT AS CLOSE TO IF, UH, CONCURRENTLY WITH THE RETAIL ROADS BEING CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, UH, AS POSSIBLE. SO IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS, IF, IF IT WAS JUST UP TO ME, I WOULD PRIORITIZE THE CROMWELL ROUNDABOUT TRYING TO GET THAT ONE CONSTRUCTED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND THE SANDERS ROUNDABOUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND WITH THE GOAL OF TRYING TO GET THE CROMWELL ROUNDABOUT CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE RETAIL ROADS. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THAT. COUNCIL AIR FLOORS GO IT, IT'S OKAY. I'M DONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE FEEDBACK ON THAT? OKAY, SO ANY ACTION WE NEED TO TAKE ON THIS OR WE'RE JUST ALL FOR DISCUSSION? WE CANT TAKE ACTION, IT'S JUST, JUST DISCUSSION AND UM, OKAY. YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT OR TIMING, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. BUT WE WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU TO SHOW YOU THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. HOPEFULLY YOU LIKE THE FORMAT, THIS IS HELPFUL AS YOU KIND OF MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT. UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS MEANT FOR JUST DISCUSSION AS, AS PER AS SAID, THIS IS ALL PRELIMINARY. WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO YOU, UH, LATER ON IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ON COMMISSIONER COHEN, ANYTHING? YEAH, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GO DO THE SUMMARY ALL I CAN JUST TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE. OKAY. SO I THINK IT'S THE LAST ATTACHMENT WITH IT. AND UM, SO THE ITEMS THAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE 31, 36 AND 37, 31 IS GENERAL ADMINISTRATION. YES. SO I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT'S ZEROED OUT. WHICH ONE AGAIN MA'AM? NUMBER LINE, ITEM 31. LINE 31. YOU'RE ASKING WHY IT WENT FROM A CURRENT ESTIMATE OF 50,000 TO PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR TO ZERO. IS THAT, IS THAT THE QUESTION? CORRECT. MM-HMM. , DO YOU SEE THAT LINE EZ? YES SIR. AND IT, IT, AND I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR UH, 36 AND 37 AS WELL. SO IN, IN THE, UM, LET'S SEE, WE HAD PROPOSED $50,000 IN THE APPROVED BUDGET. HOWEVER, OUR ACTUAL EXPENDITURES THAT WE ARE ALLOCATING TO TS NUMBER TWO HAS NOT BEEN AS HIGH AS WHAT WE HAD THOUGHT IN THE FIRST YEARS WHEN TS WAS CREATED. UH, WHEN THE TS TWO WAS INITIALLY CREATED, STAFF HAD TO DEDICATED A LOT OF TIME, NOT ONLY INTERNAL STAFF BUT ALSO OUR CONSULT CITY CONSULTANTS AS WELL. SO THAT EXPENDITURE HAS TAPERED OFF, UH, FOR SUPPORTING TER NUMBER TWO. BASICALLY IT'S VERY LIMITED STAFF TIME REQUIRED NOW. [01:45:01] UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE ZERO THAT LINE ITEM. OKAY. UM, AND SO I GUESS BRIAN, I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU THAT'S ZEROED OUT BUT WE'RE SPENDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT ON THE LANDSCAPING FOR LIKE THIRD PARTIES MM-HMM. . AND SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER ABOUT HIRING ADDITIONAL STAFF TO HELP TAKE CARE OF THAT AREA INSTEAD OF SPENDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT ON VENDORS? YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS. I THINK IT'S THE FINDING THE STAFF TO DO THAT TYPE OF WORK IS DIFFICULT AND KEEPING THEM RETAINED. UM, I'VE, I'VE FOUND THAT YOU HAVE A MIXTURE, YOU KNOW, IN CITIES THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME STAFF IN HOUSE AND SOME THAT'S BY CONTRACT. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT'S THAT COST BENEFIT FOR YOU. OKAY. AND THEN LINE ITEM 36, OTHER EQUIPMENT FOR LAVERDE AND BRICK AND MORTAR. SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL PARK EQUIPMENT. MOST OF THE EXPENDITURES HAVE ALREADY INCURRED, THE VENDOR HAS DELIVERED, THEY'VE BEEN, MOST OF 'EM HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. SO YOU WON'T SEE ANY FUTURE NEED FOR EQUIPMENT UNTIL WE GET INTO YOUR NUMBERS SEVEN OR 10 WHEN TIME STARTS FOR REPLACING SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT. OKAY. UM, CUZ WE'RE NOT DONE WITH IT YET. WE'RE ALMOST THERE. , WE'RE ALMOST THERE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA CONVINCE ME JUST YET. UM, OKAY. AND THEN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, CONSTRUCTION FOR LAVERDE, SAME THING. OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S BEING HOPEFUL. RIGHT? UM, I'M GONNA, I GOT A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS. SO, UM, GOING BACK TO LINE ONE. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 22, 20 23, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WERE OFF BY 13.9%. SO THAT, THAT 13.9% IS BASICALLY A COMPARISON OF WHAT WAS IN THE APPROVED BUDGET VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. SO IN THE APPROVED BUDGET, THE MILLION 68 FOR T COUNTY, I MEAN TSE COUNTY MM-HMM HAYES COUNTY, WHEN THE BUDGET WAS PREPARED, WE DIDN'T HAVE HAYES COUNTY'S FINAL TAX RATES. WHEN WE DID GET THEIR FINAL TAX RATE, THEY HAD LOWERED IT. GOTCHA. WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN. YES, I KNOW 45% IS GREAT AND I IT'S ONLY GONNA GO UP AS IT DEVELOPS, BUT MY ONLY FEAR IS, IS LIKE MAKING, I KNOW 15% SEEMS CONSERVATIVE COMPARED TO 45, BUT THE TRUTH OF THAT REALITY IS IT'S GONNA EVENTUALLY PROBABLY BE 10. OH YEAH, IT FIVE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU THREW OUT THE NUMBER 45 AND THAT WAS REALLY EXCITING. UM, BUT IT'S GONNA, IT'S NEXT YEAR'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A HUNDRED, RIGHT? LIKE IT COULD BE AS WE DEVELOP IT COULD BE MORE. UM, AND THEN JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 65, AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS FOR TRANSPARENCY REASONS AND I I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU STUCK A AMOUNT IN THERE PROBABLY CUZ IT'S THE HIGHEST AMOUNT. BUT I, I DO HAVE A FEAR OF PEOPLE THINKING THAT WE'VE MADE DECISIONS BEFORE WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN A VOTE. AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, A QUESTION MARK FOR ME WOULD'VE BEEN SUFF WOULD SUFFICE BECAUSE, UM, I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE PREPARED AND THEN THAT'S BECOME THE NUMBER. AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS PRIOR TO OUR MEETINGS AND, AND TAKING A VOTE. SO TO ADD TO THAT CLARIFICATION AND TRANSPARENCY, THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY BUDGET AND AS THE CITY ENGINEER INDICATED, WE WILL BE COMING BACK WITH BETTER ESTIMATES ON THE PARKING LOT. BY THAT TIME WE'LL BE READY FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AND ADOPT. SO BY THE TIME THIS BOARD ADOPTS THE BUDGET, WE SHOULD HAVE PROPERTY TAX VALUATIONS, CERTIFIED TAX ROLES, WE SHOULD HAVE HAYES COUNTY'S TAX RATE, WE SHOULD HAVE CITY'S TAX RATE. AND HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME THE DESIGN ENGINEER WILL HAVE BETTER ESTIMATES FOR THE PARKING LOT. SO BY THE TIME, BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH LIKE, I, I KNOW THESE ARE NOT FINAL NUMBERS, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN IS THERE WERE FOUR NUMBERS PROVIDED TO US TO CHOOSE FROM AND TO VOTE ON. AND SO WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND A NUMBER IS PUT IN THERE, IT MAKES ME KIND OF UNEASY. JUST, I, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN, YOU KNOW, JUST BE THOUGHTFUL. IT'S, IT'S NOT BAD PER SE, IT'S JUST, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, IT'S A FINANCIAL PLAN. WE TRIED TO PUT THE MOST CONSERVATIVE, [01:50:01] THE MOST EXPENSIVE OPTION IN THERE TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR CAPABILITIES WERE AS YOU LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE OTHER UH, ELEMENTS. AND WITHOUT A NUMBER IN THERE, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN WHAT THE CAPABILITIES OF THE FUND WERE. BUT IT'S POINT TAKEN. UH, WE WERE NOT TRYING TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS ON WHAT IT WOULD BE, UH, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW THE FINANCIALS WOULD WORK, SO NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, I DO. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE HONEST. LIKE WHEN I READ SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THEN I COME AND I'M LIKE, WE HAVEN'T, I WROTE THAT ON THERE. I WAS LIKE, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A VOTE YET. SO LIKE THAT WAS MY CONCERN AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE ANYBODY ELSE'S. CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WAS ALREADY CHOSEN. IT WAS A LONG CONVERSATION BUT YEAH, ULTIMATELY IT WAS THE OUTCOME. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. UH, [4.  Discussion regarding scheduling the next meeting.] WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO I GUESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE CAN, UM, HAVE THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SCHEDULING OF THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE ACTUALLY FOR JULY. UM, I KNOW IT, THERE'S A LOT OF, THIS THURSDAY SEEM TO WORK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. I KNOW ON THE 20TH WE DO HAVE THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. AND UH, SO SHOULD WE LOOK AT A CONSERVATIVE DATE AS THE 20, I'M JUST GOING WITH GETTING THE TAX NUMBERS AND ALL THE INFORMATION BACK. SHOULD WE SHOOT FOR THE END OF JULY THE 27TH? MM-HMM. OR POSSIBLY STICK TO THE 13TH. 13TH. WHETHER THAT BE TOO SOON OR IT'S JUST THROWING THE NUMBERS OUT THERE. WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR, FOR YOU AND, AND JUST TO, FOR THE DS FOR YOUR THAT ARE HERE, DOES THE DAY AS THURSDAY WORK FOR MOST PEOPLE STILL? GOOD WORK? FINE GOOD'S GOOD. OKAY. THURSDAYS. OKAY. SO YES SIR. BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD REVIEWS THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE T NUMBER TWO IN LATE AUGUST AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY ADOPTED THE CITY'S OKAY. BUDGET AND TAX RATES. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT HAYES COUNTY WILL HAVE THEIR TAX RATES ALREADY SET. OKAY. SO, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A MONTH OFF. THAT'S FINE. UM, SO SHOULD WE GET BACK AT A LATER DATE MAYBE, UH, MR. LANG OR WE SHOULD GET, UH, DATES THAT COULD BE PROPOSED FOR EVERYBODY SINCE WE DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY HERE? I THINK, UH, YES SIR. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PULL THE, THE GROUP AND SEE WHAT DATES WORK. I, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY AUGUST 24TH. THAT'S A THURSDAY AGAIN IF THURSDAYS WORK FOR YOU, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LATE DATE. AND THEN AT LEAST WE COULD, UH, IF WE DO HAVE A BUDGET MEETING TODAY, WE HAVE BUDGET. YEAH, WE DO HAVE THE BUDGET MEETINGS COUNCIL, THAT'S THAT TUESDAY AND THEN BUDGET. SO MAYBE, MAYBE THE NEXT, UM, CAN WE DO IT ON THE THIRD SINCE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE MONTH OFF AND THEN THE THIRD, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SAME AS A COUNCIL WEEK ANYWAYS OR IS THAT SO ANY DAY AFTER CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS THE FINAL BUDGET WOULD BE JUST FINE. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE COULD JUST DO A POLL AT A LATER TIME, SIR. WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT. YES SIR. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? DO WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE? NO, SIR. OKAY. LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. OKAY. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORE, WE ARE ADJOURNED. YES. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. GOOD NIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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