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[I. Call Meeting to Order]
THURSDAY, JULY THE SIXTH, AND I'M GONNA CALL THIS REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.UH, ACTUALLY WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WOULD THE CITY SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE RULE MITCHELL.
[II. Approval of Minutes]
ALL RIGHT, MAYOR.GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL OF THEM HERE.
I WANNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR A SPECIAL MEETING ON JUNE 20TH, INCLUDING THE REGULAR MEETING FOR JUNE 20TH TO INCLUDE ALSO APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, MINUTES FOR JUNE 23RD, WORKSHOP, MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 24TH, AND ALSO THE WORKSHOP MEETINGS FOR THE SAME DAY 24TH, INCLUDING THE WORKSHOP MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 25TH, 2023.
SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PROTI, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER PARSLEY THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[III. Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
COMMENTS, PERIOD.AT THIS TIME, WE ASK ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ANY ITEM TO PLEASE DO SO.
UH, WE DO ASK THAT YOU DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, UH, AND THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM AND SUBMIT THAT TO EITHER MYSELF OR THE CITY SECRETARY.
I DO HAVE TWO THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS BETTY CONNIE, I LIVE AT 87 EAGLE KEEP DRIVE IN CAL, TEXAS, AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CAL AREA SENIOR ZONE.
SO WE WANNA THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO FOR US, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING A GREAT SUCCESS.
THE REASON I'M COMING UP IS ASKING FOR YOU IF YOU CAN POSSIBLY MOVE US UP ON THE AGENDA.
A LOT OF SENIOR SENATOR SENIOR CITIZENS CANNOT DRIVE AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE SIGHT WITH THE DARK.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON I GOT UP HERE TO SPEAK AND THANK Y'ALL.
UH, NEXT UP, UH, WYNETTE, UH, BARTON.
I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A SUBDIVISION THAT MY FAMILY, UH, IS PLANNING AND HOPES TO ACCOMPLISH.
IT'S ON LAND THAT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR VERY, VERY MANY YEARS, LONGER THAN MOST PEOPLE HERE HAVE BEEN ALIVE.
AND, UH, WE, MY FAMILY GOT TOGETHER AND DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS A SUBDIVISION AND MAKE IT VERY SPECIAL BECAUSE KYLE IS VERY SPECIAL TO ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY TO ME.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT, AND IT THUS HAS A FEW THINGS THAT ARE NOT, UH, UH, IN MOST SUBDIVISIONS.
I THINK WE THINK THAT THEY'RE A PLUS.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT ALL MANY OF YOU HAVE DONE ON IT ALREADY.
AND TONIGHT, WITH, WITH THE FINAL APPROVAL, WE WILL BE MOVING AHEAD SOON AS WE HAVE MONEY DESIGNATED.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT OURSELVES, BUT WE CAN BORROW IT.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE ALL KNOW PRETTY MUCH, UH, WHAT IT IS AND WHAT, UH, IT MEANS TO US.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN CONVEYED TO YOU, AND I HOPE IT WILL BE WONDERFUL FOR KYLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE PLANNED, THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO.
SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING IT AGAIN TONIGHT.
THANK YOU THAT, THAT IS ALL THE CITIZEN COMMENTS FORMS THAT I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE.
CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED.
[7. Agenda Order per Rules of Council Sec. B1. ~ Travis Mitchell, Mayor]
AGENDA ORDER.IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS REQUESTS TO MOVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS, CUSTOMER FOR SCALE? YES, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 25 AND 26.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT NEGATIVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY, CAN WE MOVE AGENDA ITEM 22, PLEASE? YES.
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UM, WE WILL MOVE BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS TO THE TOP OF CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION.[8. Consent Agenda Presentation. ~ Travis Mitchell, Mayor]
IS, UH, CONSENT AGENDA PRESENTATION.GOOD EVENING, BARRON COUNSEL, LEON, BARB, CITY ENGINEER CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS, UM, REQUEST FOR COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE SELECTION OF ENGINEERS THAT WE, UH, WENT THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS ON.
UH, WE SELECTED FOUR ENGINEERS.
THEY, UH, RANKED AS THE HIGHEST SCORING FIRM.
SO WE, UH, ARE RECOMMENDING THOSE FOUR FIRMS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
IS THAT IT? THAT'S IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
YOU WANNA GO OVER 11 OR? SURE.
UM, THERE'S SOME PROPERTY THAT WAS DEDICATED TO THE CITY BACK IN, UH, 21, I BELIEVE.
AND, UH, THAT PROPERTY WAS DEDICATED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THIS IS A PICTURE SHOWING THAT PROPERTY THAT'S BEING DEDICATED TO THE, UH, CITY.
UH, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TODAY IS TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THIS PARCEL, AND, UH, THAT WAY THE MAYOR CAN SIGN OFF ON THE DOCUMENT THAT NEEDS TO GO TO HAYES COUNTY FOR FILING.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL KIND OF SEE HOW THAT TIES INTO THE REST OF THE, UH, UH, BRICK AND MORTAR, UH, PROJECT.
UH, THAT'S, UH, AVENUE A, AS THEY CALL IT UP AT THE TOP.
AND SO WE NEED THAT MISSING LINK, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT, TO TIE INTO THE, UH, TO EXTEND CROMWELL ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT, UH, AVENUE A PROJECT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARBA? I DO.
CONSENTING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.
UM, MR. BARBA, HOW MANY FIRMS, UM, WERE, UM, SELECTED ON THE RATINGS? THEY WERE, WE RECOMMENDED FOUR.
FIRMS OUT OF THE 28 THAT SUBMITTED? MM-HMM.
ISN'T IT, UM, WERE WE TRYING TO GET UP TO FIVE AT ONE TIME? THE RFQ, UH, DID SAY FIVE, BUT WE HAD A TIE FOR, UH, FIVE AND SIX, AND WE DECIDED JUST TO STAY WITH THE TOP FOUR.
UH, MARI PROAM, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVER THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS.
SOMETIMES I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE VERY LITTLE, AND THEN WE END UP HAVING A LOT OF WORK.
UH, SO THIS PAST TIME, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EX GOOD EXAMPLE.
THE RFQ WE DID BACK IN 2020, WE JUST ASKED FOR THREE.
WE'RE JUST GONNA NAME THREE FIRMS, AND WE ENDED UP EXPANDING IT TO FIVE FIRMS. AND THEN WE ENDED UP WITH QUITE A FEW NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
SO IT WAS A GOOD THING WE DID EXPAND IT TO FIVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T SEE, BUT ONE WASTEWATER PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO GO OUT FOR DESIGN AND, AND CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA TRY TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE WATER SIDE, BUT AS FAR AS ROAD PROJECTS, I DON'T SEE US HAVING ANY ROAD PROJECTS THAT THEY NEED TO WORK ON.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH WORK FOR FIVE FIRMS, AND WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE, MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH WORK FOR FOUR FIRMS. I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GET EXCITED ABOUT GETTING ON THIS LIST, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE NO WORK FOR THEM TO DO.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW THE RATING WA HOW THE RATINGS WERE TO WHERE EVENTUALLY ONE WAS.
YOU SAID TWO OF THEM WERE TIED, UM, RIGHT HERE? YEAH, TWO OF 'EM WERE TIED AT 93.
SO JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT, WHICH ONE WAS CHOOSED OVER THE OTHER.
IN THAT SENSE, THE TWO THAT WERE TIED AT, UH, FIVE AND SIX, WE DID NOT SELECT, WE DID NOT RECOMMEND SELECTION OF THOSE FIRMS. WE JUST RECOMMENDED THE TOP FOUR.
SO I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA, UH, PULL THIS BECAUSE I WAS GONNA BRING UP THAT QUESTION.
SO I, I LOOKED AT THE SCORING RANK AND FIVE AND SIX WERE BOTH VERY CLOSE.
UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT OF NOT WANTING TO HAVE TOO MUCH WORK, BUT SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T, OR THINKING YOU MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH WORK, BUT SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T DO VERY OFTEN, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS GONNA BE JUST TO INCLUDE THEM BECAUSE THEN THAT AT LEAST GIVES THE OPTION, UH, FROM MR. BARBARA TO UH, UH, HAVE A WIDER POOL TO SELECT FROM AS PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD.
COULD WE, UH, I WAS GONNA MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? YES.
WHERE WE CAN HAVE ALL BOTH OF THEM.
MAYOR PRO TEM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE IS WORK OUT THERE TO BE DONE.
THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK TO BE DONE OUT THERE.
THAT'S THE DILEMMA THAT WE HAVE.
SO, UH, MOST CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON SO MANY THINGS, BUT THE FUNDING'S ALWAYS A BIG ISSUE, SO, YEAH.
BUT IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAID, LAST TIME YOU SAID HAD THREE AND YOU ENDED UP HAVING TO EXPAND IT TO FIVE.
SO, AND OUR TOWN IS OBVIOUSLY NOT SLOWING DOWN.
THE PROJECTS ARE CONTINUING TO EXPAND.
SO I WAS THINKING SINCE OBVIOUSLY FIVE AND SIX WERE BOTH TIED AND SCORED VERY CLOSE TO ONE THROUGH FOUR, YES.
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AHEAD AND INCLUDE THEM AND THEN Y'ALL COULD MOVE, MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.COUNCILOR PERSON, WE ARE NOT DOING ANY, LIKE, DO WE HAVE LIKE A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THEM? OR ARE WE DOING SOME SORT OF CONTRACT, OR ARE WE JUST LIKE PICKING FROM THE FOUR THAT YOU HAD THE FOURTH TOP ONES, WE WILL BE GIVING THEM PROJECTS TO REVIEW OR JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOING CONSULTING WITH THEM.
SO IF WE WERE TO HAVE ENOUGH PROJECTS FOR THE FOURTH, WE WILL JUST PULL OUT OF THIS LIST.
DOES IT NEED TO BE, DO WE NEED TO LIKE AGREE TODAY AND SAYING, HEY, LET'S ADD THE FIFTH AND THE SIXTH FIRM TO THIS, OR CAN YOU JUST DO IT AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL? IF COUNCIL DECIDES THEY WANT TO ADD THE FIFTH AND SIXTH, WE CAN DO THAT.
UH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL BRING A CONTRACT BACK TO COUNSEL FROM EACH ONE OF THESE FIRMS. UH, WE'VE VETTED WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS, OUR ATTORNEYS.
WE'LL BRING A CONTRACT BACK FOR COUNSEL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE AND SIGN OFF ON THAT.
AND AS WE COME UP WITH THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND ASSIGN, WHAT I TRY TO DO IS BALANCE OUT THE WORKLOAD, UH, TRY TO KEEP THE AMOUNTS EVEN BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT FIRMS SO I DON'T GIVE ONE TOO MUCH AND, AND ANOTHER ONE NOT ENOUGH WORK.
AS I'VE WORKED THROUGH THESE CONTRACTS, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE ARE PRETTY LARGE, SO, UH, SOME FIRMS MAY NOT GET AS MUCH WORK AS THE OTHER ONES DID, BUT I DO TRY TO KEEP IT BALANCED.
UH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF LEON, WHICH IS OUR ENGINEERING DIRECTOR, PICKS FOURTH FIRMS AND THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ENOUGH WORK TO GIVE TO THE OTHER ONES, I DON'T SEE THE NEED OF ADDING THE OTHER TWO FIRMS. IT'S JUST, WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A SITUATION WHERE IF THE ROTATION LIST IS GOING, THE, WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ON IS A, IS A, A GROUP OF FIRMS THAT HE CAN SELECT FROM WITHOUT GOING THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS.
SO IF WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD, HE, IT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA HAVE SIX PROJECTS IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S FAIRLY LIKELY THAT WE WILL HOW MANY PROJECTS DID YOU SAY YOU WERE WORKING ON THE LAST MEETING? 38.
SO IT'S ONE OF THE, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE LIST, THEY CANNOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR THE WORK.
IT JUST LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF FIRMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR HIM TO SELECT FROM.
BUT WILL WE GET INTO A CONTRACT WITH THIS LAST TWO FIRMS, THE FIFTH AND THE SIXTH ONE? THEY WON'T BE, OR WE HAVE TO ON THAT, THEY WON'T BE ALLOWED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE WORK WITHOUT GOING OUT TO RFQ.
SO IT BASICALLY JUST INVITES A LARGER NUMBER OF ENGINEERING FIRMS MM-HMM.
AS LEON'S GOING THROUGH HIS PROCESS, HE CAN, HE CAN SELECT AND BRING CONTRACTS STRAIGHT TO US WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE RFQ PROCESS.
FROM A WIDER SELECTION OF FIRST, AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, IF I DON'T, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, MAYOR, IS THAT ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERTISE IN THESE, IN THESE FIELDS.
SO WE MAY BE USING, I BELIEVE, HAVE WE USED PAE DAWSON'S BEFORE ENGINEERING COMPANY BEFORE, RIGHT? YES, WE HAVE.
WELL, MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT WE START LOOKING AT OTHERS TO SEE WHAT ELSE THEY COULD BRING TO THE TABLE AS WELL.
UH, MAYBE SOME OF THESE COULD HELP OUT WITH SOME OF OUR TRAIL SYSTEMS, OR MAYBE THEY COULD HELP OUT WITH SOME OF OUR ROAD PROJECTS.
BUT JUST, UH, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT AS WELL, IF WE HAVE THESE, UH, ALL, BOTH OF THESE FIRMS AVAILABLE, IF, IF ONE OF 'EM, ST.
V, LET'S SAY INFRASTRUCTURE, WE GIVE 'EM A CONTRACT, LET'S JUST THROW IT OUT THERE.
IF THEY GET BEHIND WHATEVER, WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE, WE CAN AT LEAST USE THESE OTHER TWO TO HELP ASSIST WITH, WITH OTHER NEEDS FOR THE CITY.
CUZ AGAIN, IF YOU'VE GOT 38 PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WHY LIMIT OUR, UM, OUR CONTRACTORS OR LIMIT OUR, OUR COMPANIES IN, IN, IN, IN UTILIZING THERE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD GO WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I'M GONNA TAKE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE SEPARATELY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? CUSTOMER FLORES COUNT.
I JUST WANNA PULL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.
UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH I REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT.
I JUST, UH, DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SPEND $26,500 TO HIRE, UM, A SEARCH COMPANY TO, UM, FIND US A CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.
UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST A LOT OF MONEY.
I GUESS BEFORE I WOULD AGREE TO THAT, I'D WANNA KNOW, UH, WHAT HAS GONE OUT ON THE CITY'S BEHALF FROM OUR, UM, HUMAN RESOURCES SIDE.
WE'LL PULL AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.
[VI. Consent Agenda]
DISCUSSIONS ON 11 THROUGH 13? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBER 11, 12, AND 13 SECOND.MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES KALE, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO.
TIM IS THERE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 11 THROUGH 13.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALL MOTION CARRIES SIX TO ZERO.
[9. Approve a resolution establishing a rotation list of the following four (4) firms to provide consulting services for general civil engineering projects for all city departments: CP&Y, INC. dba STV INFRASTRUCTURE, Austin, Texas, WGI, INC., Austin, Texas, HDR ENGINEERING, INC., Austin, Texas, and PAPE-DAWSON ENGINEERS, INC., Austin, Texas and authorize the City Engineer to enter into contract negotiations with each firm and direct staff to bring back the contracts for consideration by the City Council at a future meeting. ~ Leon Barba, P.E., City Engineer]
TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA NUMBER NINE, UH, WITH THE AMENDMENT TO INCREASE THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF FOUR, UH, FIRMS FROM FOUR TO SIX, AND TO USE THE RANKING SYSTEM TO ALLOW THE FIFTH AND SIXTH HIGHEST SCORED FIRMS TO BE INCLUDED.SECONDED BY MAYOR PROTI IS THE DISCUSSION ON
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THAT MOTION.[10. Consider approval of a professional services agreement with Mosaic Public Partners in an amount of $26,500.00 to provide executive search services for the position of Chief Building Official. ~ Amber Schmeits, Assistant City Manager]
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH MOSAIC PUBLIC PARTNERS IN AN AMOUNT OF 26,500 TO PROVIDE EXECUTIVE SEARCH SERVICES FOR THE POSITION OF CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
AMBER SCHMITZ, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH, THROUGH THAT.
UH, BUT TO COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES KILLS QUESTION.
THIS, THIS ITEM, OR THIS JOB HAS BEEN ADVERTISED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND ON TML, I BELIEVE WE ALSO, AS PART OF OUR TML, UM, SUBSCRIPTION, WE GET ACCESS TO INDEED.
AND WE HAVE HAD A FEW INTERVIEWS WITH SOME CANDIDATES, BUT FELT LIKE THEY WERE NOT THE RIGHT FIT FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND SO THIS, UH, RECRUITMENT FIRM WOULD HELP US FIND THOSE FOLKS.
WE WANNA FIND SOMEBODY WHO'S REALLY GOOD AT THEIR JOB AT BUILDING OFFICIAL WHO'S NOT LOOKING FOR A JOB.
AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS RECRUITMENT FIRM CAN HELP US DO THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MOTIONS.
I JUST, I JUST FEAR THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN WITH OTHER POSITIONS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA FIND OURSELVES PAYING FIRMS TO HIRE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LIKE COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE TO DO.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL DO IT FOR OUR, UH, LOTS OF OTHER POSITIONS, BUT FOR EXECUTIVE POSITIONS AND, AND HIGHER PAID POSITIONS, I'VE FOUND IT TO BE VERY VALUABLE.
UH, A LOT OF FOLKS, UH, IT'S A VERY TIGHT LABOR MARKET RIGHT NOW.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO COMMIT, AND PARTICULARLY SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA RELOCATE FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY OR ANOTHER PART OF THE STATE.
A RECRUITER CAN GO TELL OUR STORY IN A WAY THAT WE CAN'T ALWAYS DO.
JUST WITH A TYPICAL, UH, JOB POSTING OR A LISTING.
THEY CAN TELL MORE ABOUT THE CITY.
THEY CAN GET PEOPLE INTERESTED THROUGH THAT.
AND THEY ALSO, WHEN THEY MAKE THESE CALLS, SO LOTS OF INDIVIDUALS, IT MAY NOT BE THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY TALK TO, BUT THEY LEARN THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION THAT THEY KNOW SOMEONE ELSE THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR THE POSITION.
AND SO THEY DO THAT OUTREACH FOR US.
AND I, I'VE FOUND IT TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL, UM, IN THE PAST TO BUILD YOUR REALLY HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS. I KNOW IT IS EXPENSIVE, UM, BUT WE'RE IN AN EXPENSIVE BUSINESS.
UH, THIS IS A, UH, VERY LARGE DIVERSE ORGANIZATION NOW, ABOUT 400 EMPLOYEES, OVER 200 MILLION A YEAR BUDGET, 700 MILLION CAPITAL PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT ON, UH, ON SATURDAY WITH OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OF DOLLARS GOING ON.
WE'RE SUPERVISING $2 MILLION A YEAR IN OUTSIDE CONTRACTS FOR BUILDING INSPECTION SERVICES.
SO THIS IS A PERSON THAT WILL HELP US OVERSEE IT, AND IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A YEAR.
UM, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF SALARY SAVINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE SERVICE.
AND AGAIN, I RECOMMEND IT TO YOU, UH, TO HELP US FIND A HIGH QUALITY INDIVIDUAL THAT CAN HELP MOVE US FORWARD CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE.
UM, OUR LAST, UM, BUILDING INSPECTOR CAME FROM, UH, BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS, I BELIEVE.
AND SO I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO FIND HIM SOMEONE THAT FAR WITHOUT THE USE OF, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
I, I THINK CERTAINLY YOU CAN FIND PEOPLE, UH, WE HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN FINDING THEM WITH THE TRADITIONAL MEANS.
IS THERE ANY GUARANTEE? LIKE WHAT IF, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING CANDIDATES THAT ARE NOT TO THE STANDARDS? DO WE GET OUR MONEY BACK? YEAH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A GUARANTEE.
IF THE, THE, UH, CANDIDATES NOT WORK OUT, UM, OVER A PERIOD OF, I BELIEVE IT'S A YEAR, THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER SEARCH THAT THEY WILL DO FOR US THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND I'VE WORKED WITH THIS FIRM EXTENSIVELY IN MY CAREER.
THEY'RE, UH, GREAT CONSULTANTS.
THEY'LL BRING US GREAT QUALITY CANDIDATES.
IF WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CANDIDATES THEY BRING US, THEY'LL KEEP TRYING UNTIL THEY GET THIS, THE POSITION FILLED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT SUPPORT IT.
UH, I KNOW THIS IS A, A NEW, YOU KNOW, A NEW PROPOSAL THAT'S COMING FORWARD.
UH, ONE OF YOUR FIRST, BUT I, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'RE VERY COMMITTED TO TRYING TO BRING, UH, TOGETHER A HIGH LEVEL EXECUTIVE STAFF THAT CAN PERFORM AT THAT, AT THAT HIGH LEVEL.
AND SO, UH, FOR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, BUT IF, IF YOU EXPERIENCES, UH, LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT, IF IT, IT'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION, I CAN SUPPORT THAT.
SO I DO, I HAVE A QUESTION TOO.
UM, BRIAN, UM, WHAT ARE THE, I GUESS, MAIN REASONS WHY THE POSITION IS HARD TO FILL? UM, IS IT THE PAY SCALE OR THE, THE EXPERIENCE YOU WERE
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LOOKING FOR? UM, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS PREVENTING THE APPLICANT SINCE WE'RE ONLY HAD FOUR IN OVER A YEAR? RIGHT.I, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS.
UH, TO BE A CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEVERAL CERTIFICATIONS, AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PASS THE TEST.
AND, AND THE BOOKS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE PROFICIENT IN ARE, ARE MANY.
SO THEY HAVE TO KNOW THE INTERNATIONAL CODE AND HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, REFERENCE THAT AND GET THAT CORRECT ON THEIR TEST.
SO IT TAKES SEVERAL YEARS TO GET THAT.
THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ARE QUALIFIED TO BE A CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.
AND SOMETIMES, UM, THAT COMBINED WITH, UM, OUR CER OUR PAY, UM, I KNOW THAT BRIAN HAS COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK AT THE PAY AS WELL.
UM, THOSE TWO FACTORS HAVE, HAVE SEEMED TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE REASON THAT WE'RE NOT DRAWING QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, BUT ALSO JUST BECAUSE OF OUR OUTREACH.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, ACCESSING THE SAME, UM, THE SAME WAY THAT A RECRUITMENT COULD FIRM COULD FOR US.
SO JUST WITH A LOT MORE CHANGES IN CODES, YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIALIST IN THIS AREA.
SO THERE'S FEWER CANDIDATES AND, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT NOT ONLY IN THIS ACTIV, THIS AREA AND KYLE, BUT JUST ALL OVER THE, THE STATE HAS BEEN REALLY ROBUST.
SO THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN HIGH DEMAND.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, BRIAN, WE HIRED YOU FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA SIT HERE AND TELL US THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED, UM, THEN I THINK THAT IT'S ON US TO GIVE YOU THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED TO SUCCEED.
AND IF IT ENDS UP NOT WORKING OUT, WE CAN LOOK AT IT, REVISITING IT DOWN THE ROAD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNI GIVES THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
UH, NEXT UP WE'RE GONNA BRING UP
[25. Report and update from the City Manager on the status of City Council direction given to staff on January 4, 2022 to negotiate an agreement with A & E Design Group, Inc, to provide architectural and design services including completion of a shovel-ready plans, specifications, and construction/bid documents for a new Senior Activity and Community Center facility to be constructed on City-owned land and to bring back an agreement with all terms and conditions including contract amount for City Council’s approval at a future Council meeting. ~ Yvonne Flores-Cale, Council Member]
[26. Discussion and possible action to Direct City Manager to develop an action plan to include a timeline for the completion of major steps and funding options to design, build, furnish, and operate a new Senior Activity and Community Center facility approved on January 4, 2022, to be constructed on City-owned land and present the action plan to the City Council for consideration and possible action at the August 15, 2023 City Council meeting. ~ Yvonne Flores-Cale, Council Member]
AGENDA ITEMS 25 AND 26.DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING 'EM UP TOGETHER? THANK YOU.
UH, AGENDA ITEM 25, REPORT AND UPDATE FROM CITY MANAGER ON THE STATUS OF COUNCIL DIRECTION, GIVEN TO STAFF ON JANUARY 4TH, 2022, TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH A AND E DESIGN GROUP, INC.
TO PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN SERVICES, INCLUDING COMPLETION OF A SHOVEL-READY PLANS, UH, SPECIFICATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION BID DOCUMENTS FOR A NEW SENIOR ACTIVITY AND COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON CITY OWNED LAND, AND TO BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT WITH ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS, INCLUDING CONTRACT AMOUNT FOR CITY COUNCIL'S, APPROVE IT, APPROVAL AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING AND DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP AN ACTION PLAN, TO INCLUDE A TIMELINE FOR THE COMPLETION OF MAJOR STEPS AND FUNDING OPTIONS TO DESIGN, BUILD, FURNISH, AND OPERATE A NEW SENIOR ACTIVITY COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, FACILITY APPROVED ON JANUARY 4TH, 2022, TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON CITY OWNED LAND AND PRESENT THE ACTION PLAN TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AT AUGUST 15TH, 2023.
UM, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE VISION WORKSHOP, AND SO I WENT BACK AND DID SOME RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE STOOD ON THIS AND WHAT WAS THE LAST DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD.
UM, AND THEN IT, UH, THAT'S WHERE I SAW THE JANUARY 4TH, 2022 MEETING.
UM, AND SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON INTO DISCUSSION, I DO, I WOULD LIKE A REPORT AND UPDATE FROM THE CITY MANAGER ON THE STATUS OF THAT INFORMATION, UM, FROM THAT VOTE BACK IN JANUARY.
SO, UH, I HAVE WATCHED THAT MEETING BACK IN JANUARY, UH, WHERE THE DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE ON THAT ITEM.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS SUBSEQUENT TO THAT DISCUSSION, THE COUNCIL HAD OTHER VISIONING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THE CENTER AND HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO NOT PROCEED WITH, WITH COMING FORWARD WITH THAT KIND OF AGREEMENT.
SO THAT AGREEMENT WAS NEVER BROUGHT FORWARD.
UM, I KNOW JERRY IS HERE AND CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS IF, UH, IF HE'D LIKE TO TALK THROUGH THAT, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE GATHERED FROM IT.
I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU FOR THIS ITEM, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE INFORMATION I HAVE.
WAS THAT EVER TAKEN IN A VOTE? WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT VOTE? WELL, UH, NO, I WAS NOT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT THAT WAS VOTED ON ON JANUARY EITHER.
THERE WAS A DIRECTION TO COME BACK WITH AN AGREEMENT.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I MAY, JERRY HENDRICKS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BEFORE WE COULD BRING THAT AGREEMENT BACK.
THE, THE FUNDING FOR THAT AGREEMENT HAD TO BE FULLY IN PLACE.
BY THE TIME THE FUNDING FOR THAT AGREEMENT WAS IN PLACE.
WE HAD ALREADY BEGAN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR A SENIOR CENTER AS WELL AS THE, THE LOCATION THAT HAD BEEN
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PREVIOUSLY DECIDED TO TRY TO PUT ONE WAS NOT GOING TO BE A VIABLE, A VIABLE LOCATION.SO THE, THE QUESTION IS, THE, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WAS, WAS AT RISK UNTIL A CONTRACT WAS APPROVED.
IF WE WANT TO PAY FOR THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, THEN WE'LL BE PAYING FOR WORK FOR A BUILDING THAT, UM, PROBABLY WON'T BE BUILT SO THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DIRECT US TO COME FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT MATCHING THAT INVOICE.
BUT, UH, WE WERE WANTING TO GET FURTHER DIRECTION ON, UM, WHAT OUR FINAL DESTINATION FOR A SENIOR CENTER IS GOING TO BE BEFORE WE MADE ANY FURTHER MOVES.
THAT VIABLE LOCATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT THE LOCATION BEHIND THE SCHOOL? IT'S A LEINBERGER LAKE, YES, MA'AM.
AND WHAT MAKES IT NOT VIABLE? UH, AVAILABILITY OF UTILITIES AND ACCESS TO THE ROADWAY AS WELL AS IT'S VERY SMALL AND PARKING AT THAT LOCATION WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE.
I WANNA MAKE COUNCILOR FLOOR, ELLO FLOOR.
YEAH, I'M GONNA DO THIS TO YOU, BY THE WAY, IF YOU INTERRUPT FOLKS TOO.
SO, BUT THAT WAS NEVER DECIDED ON, ON COUNSEL.
I NEED, I NEED TO SAY OUT LOUD SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE AT.
CAUSE I THINK EVEN COUNSEL'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WHERE WE'RE AT.
YES, THERE WAS A SUPPOSED TO BE AGREEMENT, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF, NOT ON A, ON THE S BUT MAYBE IN A VISION WORKSHOP, WHICH I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED IS NOT A REAL, IS THAT IT'S NOT REAL DIRECTION.
DIRECTION ALWAYS HAS TO COME FROM THE S COLLECTIVELY.
AND WE GOTTA GIVE THE, THE RESIDENTS A CHANCE TO RESPOND AND, AND, AND SPEAK UP AND TELL US WHAT THEIR, THEIR VISION IS.
AND SO, UM, I FIND IT HARD TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE CHOSEN TO DO WHEN WE HAVEN'T DONE IT OPENLY, SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, IF I CAN UNDER, IF I CAN REPEAT AND UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THERE WAS A VOTE TO SAY YES, BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT, AND THEN IN DISCUSSIONS IT WAS COUNSEL SAID, GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
AND SO THEN NOTHING WAS EVER FOLLOWED UP ON AGENDA ITEM 25.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT CUZ WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE IT OUT THERE HANGING.
I THINK AT SOME POINT AS A COUNSEL, WE NEED TO COME BACK AND SAY YES OR NO.
AND SO THAT WAY WE DON'T, I MEAN, I'M SURE THE SENIORS WERE INTERESTED IN WHERE WE'RE AT AS WELL.
THEY, THEY SEEM TO BE EQUALLY CONFUSED.
COUNCIL MEMBER AND I MEET REGULARLY WITH THE SENIORS.
WE TALK ABOUT THEIR PLANS FOR A NEW BUILDING, ARE, UH, HOPES TO FACILITATE THAT FOR THEM AS WELL AS THAT PARTICULAR WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
COUNCILOR HATCHER, UH, THANK YOU TO YOU.
I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS AGENDA ITEM DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION NUMBER 26 VERSUS WHAT WE HAD DECIDED TO DO AT THE END OF THE VISION WORKSHOP, WHICH IS DETAILED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
BECAUSE YES, I WILL AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE ARE NOT, UH, THERE'S NOT A COMPLETE LIST OF DETAILS THERE AS A FRAMEWORK UNDER WHICH WE, WE DISCUSSED WHAT O WHAT OUR OPTIONS COULD BE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT NUMBER 26 IS ASKING FOR.
IT'S TO ME, IF WE VOTE YES ON 26, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WE'RE ACHIEVING THE SAME OUTCOME, WHICH IS ALREADY DETAILED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT THAT WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE AN EXERCISE OF UTILITY HERE TO APPROVE 26 WHEN IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE PUBLIC.
THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK TO THEN COME TO US TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO TO GO TO CAS AND TALK TO THEM AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, CUZ WE DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU ARE, YOU HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO.
SO, UM, I'M NOT UNDER WHAT DOES PRIVY MEAN? LIKE WHAT DO YOU WELL, THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD IN THE VISION WORKSHOP, RIGHT? WHICH, WHICH WE ARE FREE TO DISCUSS WITH THEM NOW TOMORROW AFTER THE MEETING OR NEXT TUESDAY, WHICH IS WHAT NUMBER 26 IS FOR ACTUALLY.
SO DISCUSSION AT A VISION WORKSHOP IS NOT THE SAME AS A VOTE FROM THE DIUS.
I KNOW YOU SAY IT'S, IF I CAN INTERRUPT, INTERRUPT.
THE AUDIENCE IS REQUESTING TO BE SPOKEN INTO THE MICROPHONE CUZ THEY CAN'T HEAR.
UH, NO, MY, FOR EVERYBODY ON THE DS.
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AND WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT.SO, BUT I'M GONNA LET OTHERS JUMP IN ALSO.
SO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, MAYOR PROTE.
OKAY, SO GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION NOW THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE LOCATION, CUZ THE LOCATION WAS LINEBERGER LAKE FROM THE BEGINNING, CORRECT? WELL, THAT WAS THE AREA.
SO NOW I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS NOW WHY IS IT NOT A SUITABLE SPOT? EVEN IF WE WERE TRYING TO MAYBE POSSIBLY LOOK AT THAT LOCATION.
NOW WE'RE GOING BACK AND SAYING THE PARKING, THE TRAFFIC, THE UTILITIES, THE WATER, UM, I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALL DECIDED ON OR, UH, AS A POSSIBLE LOCATION FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT COULD HAVE WORKED OUT.
SO NOW WE'RE BACKTRACKING JUST ON THAT SPECIFIC POINT, BECAUSE NOW THAT MAY BE LOOKING LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THAT SPECIFIC DISCUSSION.
AND IN RETROSPECT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
BUT THE COUNSEL ALSO DID START DISCUSSING OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR A, FOR A SENIOR CENTER AS WELL AS OTHER, OTHER FACILITIES AND AMENITIES.
AND, AND I BELIEVE DISCUSSIONS IN LAST YEAR'S VISIONING CENTER ALSO, UM, CENTERED AROUND THIS TOPIC.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN PROCEEDING IS THAT WE WERE GONNA EXPLORE ANOTHER OPTION AT LEINBERGER LAKE, PRESENTED A LOT OF OBSTACLES THAT WOULD'VE REALLY DRIVEN THE PRICE UP.
SO I GUESS IF WE FOUND THAT OUT BACK THEN, UH, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHY A LOT OF THE SENIORS MAY BEING STILL HAD ASSUMED THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.
SO NOW IT'S NOW THEY'RE GETTING WORD TODAY AS WE'RE BRINGING THESE ITEMS UP THAT EVEN IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE LOCATION THERE OR WITH THE VISIONS OF US POSSIBLY ADDING, UH, OTHER FEATURES TO THE CENTER, UH, THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN IDEAL LOCATION TO BEGIN WITH FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO I JUST FEEL THAT IN THAT SENSE THERE, WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR US TO NOW BRING TO THE SENIORS THAT THAT LOCATION NOW IS NOT GONNA WORK AFTER ALL.
UM, THAT WHE WHETHER WE PUT, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT THERE, WHETHER WE PUT A, A LIBRARY OUT THERE OR A SENIOR CITIZENS OR AN ACTIVITY CENTER, WE'RE NOW FINDING OUT THAT THAT LOCATION BY I GUESS TO BS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS NOT GONNA BE AS SUITABLE FOR ANY OF THAT.
SHOULD WE JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL? IF WE WERE LOOKING TO USE THAT LOCATION FOR ANY KIND OF CITY FACILITY.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE OF THE LOCATION? WELL, MAYOR PROAM, IF I, IF I COULD, UH, WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO GO THROUGH THE ENGINEERING AND EASEMENTS AND ALL THESE, UH, OF THE SITES, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
IF THE COUNCIL REQUESTS US TO BRING SOME INFORMATION BACK, WE CAN DO IT, SHOW YOU THE LAYOUTS AND PROVIDE THAT.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST OF THE STAFF'S RECOLLECTION THAT IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T WORK AT THE TIME, BUT WE CAN BRING THOSE BACK IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE CERTAINLY CAN AND BRING YOU THOSE OPTIONS.
BUT, UM, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT WITH THIS ITEM.
THIS WAS ITEM WAS ASKED FOR BY FLORES, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES KALE.
AND SO WE DID NOT PREPARE A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE SITE TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR.
WELL, THAT, THAT BRINGS THE POINT.
IT'S LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SAME LOCATION FOR THE PAST TWO TO THREE YEARS NOW, AND NOW THESE SENIORS OBVIOUSLY ARE SHAKING THEIR HEAD AND SAYING, OH, BY THE WAY, THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK OUT AFTER ALL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND REALLY DO A STUDY ON IT.
IT'S LIKE WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM THE WHOLE TIME THAT THIS IS WHERE THE SPOT WOULD EVENTUALLY POSSIBLY GO.
AND NOW WE'RE BACKTRACKING SAYING, OH, BUT NEVERMIND THAT WAS, WE STILL GOTTA DO A LOT OF ANALYSIS AND TESTING OF THE LAND AND TESTING OF THE WATER AND SEEING IF WE CAN ACTUALLY RUN A WATER HOSE THROUGH THERE AND ELECTRICAL CORD.
I I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THEM TO HEAR THAT.
NOW, EVEN IF IT WAS A SITE THAT WAS NOT SUITABLE, IT'S LIKE THIS GOT, THIS HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO THEM FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT LOOKS LIKE NOW THAT THIS AREA BY THE LAKE THAT THEY PROBABLY HAD WONDERFUL IDEAS AND VISIONS ABOUT BRINGING THE CENTER HERE AND HAVING THE VIEW OF THE LAKE.
AND ALSO BY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY COULD SEE THE CHILDREN AND BE NEARBY.
NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO EVEN WORK OUT AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF.
SO NOW IT'S LIKE THAT, THAT LOCATION IS JUST BASICALLY OFF THE TABLE NOW.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THEM TO HEAR THAT.
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THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER AND WHAT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD DURING THE VISIONING WORKSHOP AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIRECTION WE GAVE.I REMEMBER SITTING ON THAT TABLE TRYING TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION ON TRACK AND RIGHT NEXT TO RYAN SAYING, WHAT IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GIVE STAFF? MY RECOLLECTION ACCORDING TO MY NOTES IS THAT WE TOLD STAFF TO PLEASE PUT IDEAS TOGETHER FOR POSSIBLE LOCATIONS AND MAYBE HIRING A COMPANY TO HAVE A DRAFT FOR A POSSIBLE CENTER TO HOUSE CAST, POSSIBLY LIBRARY, POSSIBLY MUSEUM.
THAT WAS THE IDEA THAT I LEFT THE VISIONING WORKSHOP WITH.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAY HAVE SHARED WITH SOME OF THE CAST MEMBERS THAT, THAT WILL, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO BRING FOR THE 2024, UM, NOVEMBER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE ALL AGREE TO DO.
SO I I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
AND THEN, SO WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK? DID WE JUST LIKE GONNA TOSS EVERYTHING TO THE AIR? WE ASKED STAFF TO BRING A LIST OF LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY HOUSE THIS BUILDING AND TO MAKE A DRAFT OR BRING IDEAS FOR A DRAFT.
SO IS IT THAT OR ARE WE JUST GONNA CHANGE? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY NOTHING CAME BACK TO US FROM THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE DID IN 2022.
AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THAT THE ONE DIRECTION WE GAVE TO OUR NEW CITY MANAGER AND STAFF WAS TO BRING IDEAS FORWARD AND ACTUALLY IS IN THE REPORT SAID THAT WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY DO A WORKSHOP FOR THIS.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS ITEMS 25 AND 26? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, WE ALREADY TOLD BRIAN AND HE'S GONNA BRING SOMETHING TO US.
ARE WE JUST GONNA PUT HIM ON ABIN RIGHT NOW AND FORCE HIM TO DO SOMETHING? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS LIKE, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS ITEM IS EVEN ON THE AGENDA AFTER WE JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, SO DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO THAT, BRIAN? UM, WELL I, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE DIRECTION THAT WE ALL BELIEVE WE RECEIVED IS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT A JOINT FACILITY, UH, THAT WAS THE DIRECTION FOR THE VISIONING WORKSOP SHOP TO HAVE A RECREATION CENTER LIBRARY AND SENIOR CENTER COM COMBINATION OF USES THAT COULD BE IN A BUILDING AND WE CAN BRING YOU BACK CONCEPTS WITH THAT.
BUT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT STAFFORD RECEIVED THAT WE BELIEVE WE RECEIVED FROM THE VIRGINIA WORKSHOP.
YEAH, NO, IT'S THE ONE THAT I HAVE NOTED RIGHT HERE AND I TOOK NOTES OF EVERYTHING WE, YEAH, SO I, I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS IN THIS KIND OF A PUBLIC SETTING BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A FULLY BAKED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN FOR HOW TO BRING ABOUT A SENIOR CENTER.
THAT WAS THE PROBLEM IN JANUARY 4TH, 2022.
IT'S A PROBLEM BEFORE, WE'RE HAVING LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SENIORS.
WE'RE HAVING A STRONG DESIRE TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE, THE SENIOR PLANS FOR A CENTER.
UH, BUT WE HAVE YET TO IDENTIFY, UH, FUNDING FOR HOW TO BRING SUCH A PROJECT TO LIFE.
UH, THE BIGGEST FINANCIAL MISTAKE THAT THE CITY HAS MADE, I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP MANY TIMES THROUGH THE YEARS, UH, AND IT HAPPENED, UH, GOOD A WHILE AGO, UH, WAS THE CITY OF KYLE SPENT $1.4 MILLION ON ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR A RECREATION CENTER.
UH, THAT WAS, UH, CASH FUNDED MONEY WE TOOK FROM THE TAXPAYERS, UH, WITHOUT HAVING THE, UH, COMMITMENT AND RESOLVE TO ACTUALLY FUND AND CONSTRUCT THE FACILITY ITSELF.
AND SO THIS SENIOR CENTER CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME, IN MY OPINION, HAS BEEN SNAKE BIT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, UH, CONVERSATIONS AND SAYING THINGS TO FOLKS ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND TRYING TO GET FOLKS TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THAT, UH, WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE A TO Z ROADMAP BEGINNING TO END.
THIS IS HOW WE ACTUALLY GET A KEY TO PUT IN THE DOOR AND OPEN UP A FACILITY THAT ACCOMMODATES FOR THOSE NEEDS.
THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AT THE VISIONING WORKSHOP WAS ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN AND A TIMELINE AND A SEQUENCE FOR HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT A FACILITY PART OF THAT TIME.
UH, PART OF THAT PLAN THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND PUT IN THE REPORT, UH, SAYS THAT THE FACILITY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSTRUCT, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE BONDED.
AND THE THE, UH, CITIES ARE PROHIBITED FROM ISSUING CO BONDS, MEANING VOTE, UH, COUNCIL AUTHORIZED DEBT WITHOUT FIRST ASKING FOR THE VOTERS TO APPROVE, WHICH IS A GEO BOND.
AND THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS FOR US TO GO TO, UH, UH, THE ENTIRE CITY AND PUT FORWARD
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A BOND PROPOSITION TO ASK FOR A SENIOR CENTER CARRIES SOME AMOUNT OF RISK THAT IT MAY NOT BE APPROVED.SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR BONDING CAPACITY? WHAT ARE OUR, WHAT ARE OUR NEEDS? WHERE WOULD SUCH A FACILITY BE LOCATED? AND THEN FIND THE RESOLVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, A BOND ELECTION TO ACTUALLY FUND THE CONSTRUCTION OF SUCH A FACILITY.
AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT, UH, AND IS THAT, UH, SENIOR CENTER IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS, UH, UH, EXPRESSED, REPEATED DESIRES TO CONSTRUCT AS AMENITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
A SENIOR CENTER IS VALUABLE, A LIBRARY IS VALUABLE, A REC CENTER IS VALUABLE, AND THEY ALL SERVE DIFFERENT, UH, MARKETS OR, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE AT THE VISIONING WORKSHOP, UH, WAS TO START TO CULTIVATE A LOCATION AND A SCOPE FOR WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY WILLING TO FUND, NOT JUST TO PAY FOR PLANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING IDENTIFIED, UH, TO CONSTRUCT.
BECAUSE WHAT THAT DOESN'T GET ANYBODY ANYTHING.
IT PAYS AN ARCHITECT AND AN ENGINEER, UH, BUT IT DELIVERS NO MONEY.
THE 1.4 MILLION, UH, THAT WE SPENT ON THOSE PLANS BACK IN 2014, UH, COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT IN ANY OTHER WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE SPENT THEM, WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER THAN THE WAY THAT WE SPENT THEM.
IT WAS A COMPLETE, UH, WASTE OF FUNDS.
SO THAT'S BEEN THE CHALLENGE I'VE HAD WITH THIS IDEA OF LET'S GO PAY FOR ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, UH, WHEN THE, THE SITE IS NOT NECESSARILY VIABLE, BUT MORE, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE CITY HAS NOT MADE A PUBLIC COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT THE FUNDING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY THAT IS BEING DESIGNED.
THAT IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
AND SO, UH, THE COUNCIL HAS EXER UH, HAS EXPRESSED AT THE VISION WORKSHOP A COMMITMENT TO START TO PUT THOSE PLANS IN MOTION, UH, TO PUT TOGETHER A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT INVOL, THAT INCORPORATES A LIBRARY, RECREATION AND SENIOR, UH, CENTER ASPECT TO IT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE WORK TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, THAT WORKSHOPS WILL BE FORTHCOMING.
UH, AND, AND, UH, AND THAT'S JUST THE, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE AT.
UH, WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION WITH DATE CERTAINS, UH, BUT UH, IT IS GONNA TAKE MORE TIME AND MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL LEVEL FOR STAFF TO FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS PRESIDED OVER THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIPLE PROJECTS, THEY TAKE YEARS AND, UH, THIS, THIS BODY CAN CHANGE OVER.
AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS YOU START DOWN A PATH, SPEND SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES, AND THEN YOU LOSE POLITICAL WILL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T THINK IT THROUGH FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE WORK TO DO.
WE CAN'T JUST KICK IT TO STAFF AND SAY GO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM FOR US BECAUSE IT'S NOT A STAFF PROBLEM.
IT'S A POLITICAL WILL ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD PLAN IN PLACE AND THEN WE NEED TO GET COMMITTED TO THAT PLAN AND ACTUALLY DELIVER IT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE THE FORMATION OF ONE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE VISIONING WORKSHOP.
UH, BUT THAT FORMATION OF A PLAN IS JUST THAT A FORMATION, UH, NO PROMISES CAN BE MADE UNTIL THE SPOTTY, UH, CAN GET BEHIND SUCH A PLAN.
YEAH, I JUST, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE LOCATION THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN JANUARY OF 2022, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU ALL OUT THERE FOR NOT BEING MORE COMMUNICATIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE STATUS WAS OF THE LOCATION.
CUZ IT SEEMS HERE TONIGHT THAT IT, WE LEARNED AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT IT WASN'T OR MAY OR MAY NOT BE VIABLE.
AND CLEARLY, UH, A BALL WAS DROPPED AND, YOU KNOW, I I CAN, I WANNA SAY ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL WORK TO DO BETTER IN, IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATING WITH YOU ALL, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STEPS ALONG THE WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL I WALKED AWAY FROM THE VISIONING WORKSHOP FEELING PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE, UH, AS, AS A BODY HERE, WERE IN AGREEMENT IN THE COMMITMENT TO BUILDING, UH, THIS FACILITY.
UH, AND AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, AND, AND I THINK IT'S, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A, A SAD REALITY IS WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT ALL.
AND THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER, UM, WHERE IT'S BUILT RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY IS GONNA COME FROM AND WHO WE'RE GONNA COLLABORATE WITH IN TERMS OF OTHER GOVERNING BODIES TO TRY TO, UM, UH, COME UP WITH THE MONEY.
UM, WHETHER IT'S WORKING WITH THE COUNTY OR, YOU KNOW, BONDING OUT OR BOTH.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, UH, I THINK THIS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
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CAN, UM, WE CAN LEARN FROM HERE.AND I'M SORRY THAT IT CAME AT THE EXPENSE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FUTURE OF A, OF A SENIOR CENTER CUSTOMER FLOOR SCALE.
UM, A PART OF MY REASON FOR PUTTING ON HERE IS TO GIVE AN UPDATE CUZ NONE OF THEM HAS BEEN GIVEN.
AND ALTHOUGH FORMATION OF A PLAN IS A GREAT IDEA, I'M STILL CONFUSED BY ANYONE WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT A VISION WORKSHOP DISCUSSION.
YET THEY'RE OKAY WITH IGNORING A VOTE.
ONE WHICH REQUIRED FOLLOW UP FROM STAFF THAT NEVER REC, THAT COUNCIL NEVER RECEIVED.
AND ALSO PROVIDING A REASON WITH NO PROOF THAT THE LOCATION IS NOT VIABLE.
SO FOR ME IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION A LONG TIME AGO.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE WAITED 18 MONTHS.
I THINK THEY WOULD'VE BEEN, THE CAS WOULD'VE BEEN JUST FINE IF WE WOULD'VE TOLD THEM A YEAR AGO, GUESS WHAT? THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY.
SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT, I DON'T THINK IT WAS FAIR TO HAVE THEM WAIT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS AND THEN SAY, HEY, WE WE'RE REALLY NOT SURE WHERE THAT FUNDING CAME FROM.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A CONCERN FROM THE GET GO.
JUST NOBODY EVER DISCUSSED IT OUT LOUD.
SO THIS WAS JUST TRYING TO BE INCLUSIVE OF EVERYBODY.
SO WE ALL KNEW WHERE WE STOOD WITH THIS PROJECT.
THEY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T READ.
IT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE RESIDENTS TO CONSISTENTLY KEEP UP WITH OUR, OUR WEEKLY REPORTS.
IF THEY WERE TOLD SOMETHING AND, AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED, IT'S ONLY RIGHT THAT WE GO BACK AND UPDATE THEM.
SO, UM, ON THE LOCATION AND NOT BEING VIABLE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THERE IS A MID, THERE IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE.
SO IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, UM, ALREADY IN PLACE FOR SOMETHING OF THAT LARGE SCALE, THEN I WOULD SAY IT, IT HAS TO BE A VIABLE LOCATION AS WELL.
IT MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT UM, THAT LOCATION, THE LAND IS ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY, SO THAT'S ONE MAJOR COST THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO INCUR.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY IF WHEREVER WE GO WITH OUR PLANNING AND THE FRAMEWORK, UM, KEEP THAT AS A SECONDARY, UM, OPTION AS WELL.
UM, SO DON'T JUST BYPASS IT CUZ IT, IT COULD STILL BE VIABLE.
AND I, I JUST WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I SH I'LL RE-WATCH THAT VIDEO, UH, FROM JANUARY OF LAST YEAR AS WELL.
AND I MADE A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS AT, AT THAT MEETING AS WELL.
I THINK THE LOCATION IS A RED HERRING.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE VIABLE OPTIONS IN THE CITY OF KYLE TO LOCATE A SENIOR CENTER.
WHAT WE GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO BRING BACK WAS A CONTRACT FOR THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN OF A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT SENIOR CENTER.
WE HAD NO ABILITY TO DELIVER THE FUNDING FOR THAT.
AND SO THE ISSUE IS NOT A LOCATION.
WE COULD PUT IT AT CAL VISTA PARK, WE COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE IT WORK AT LINEBARGER, BUT THIS COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND SPEND THAT MONEY.
BUT WHEN YOU GO AND BUILD A HOUSE, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD THE HOUSE, YOU WOULD NOT EMPTY YOUR BANK ACCOUNT ON THE PLA TO DESIGN THE PLANS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND.
THERE HAVE BEEN STATEMENTS MADE THAT, THAT, THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD NOT SUPPORT A BOND ELECTION.
IF WE ARE NOT WILLING TO BOND, THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DO IS SPEND MONEY ON PLANS FOR A BUILDING THAT IS REPEATING THE 1.4 MILLION BIGGEST MISTAKE OF THE LAST DECADE IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
UH, IN TERMS OF WASTING MONEY, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE, THE FULL, IT'S THE HARD TRUTH.
IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.
WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, COMMIT TO THAT FUNDING, AND THEN GET APPROVAL FOR THAT FUNDING BEFORE WE DESIGN THOSE PLANTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE JANUARY VOTE WAS ABOUT.
IT WAS ABOUT BRINGING BACK A CONTRACT OF 600,000 OF WHICH 200,000 IS OURS.
IT'S LIKE, WELL IF THE CITY BLOWS 200,000, SHAME ON US.
IF THE COUNTY BLOWS 200,000, SHAME ON THEM.
BUT, UH, WE, WE DON'T MISS IT BECAUSE AS BRIAN MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE A 200 MILLION BUDGET.
IF, IF THE KYLE AREA SENIOR ZONE COLLECTS MONEY AND ALL OF THE MONEY THEY HAVE IN THE WORLD IS $200,000 AND THEY PUT IT ON PLANS FOR A BUILDING THAT CANNOT BE CONSTRUCTED, OH, IT WOULD DEVASTATE ME AND THAT WAS THE SIGNAL I WAS ALARMING BACK THEN AND I ALARM I WILL SI SIGNAL THAT ALARM AGAIN NOW THAT WHILE IT IS A GREAT THING TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING A PUBLIC SAFETY OR BUILDING A, UH, SENIOR CENTER, UH, IT IS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOING SUCH A THING AND ACTUALLY COMMITTING TO DELIVER IT.
WHEN YOU PUT REAL DOLLARS IN, YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO COMMIT TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON AND I HOPE WE CAN DELIVER THAT FOR YOU.
UH, BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH OF, THAT'S JUST THE TRUTH OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
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MAYOR PROTON.OKAY, THIS WILL BE MY LAST COMMENTS ON THIS.
RIGHT NOW THE ISSUE IS THEY ARE IN A SHARED BUILDING.
CORRECT? THEY ARE IN A SHARED BUILDING WITH THE CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT THEY NEED TO USE.
SO THAT'S THE REALITY OF TODAY IS THEY ARE SHARING A SPACE.
UM, WHAT, UM, WHAT PLANS RIGHT NOW DO WE HAVE OR IF THERE'S ANY OFFSITE LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN START IDENTIFYING TODAY OF POSSIBLY HELPING THEM RELOCATE TO ANOTHER FACILITY.
ANOTHER AREA, I KNOW THERE WAS ONE THAT I KIND OF LOOKED AT MYSELF AND I FOUND, UM, IT'S HALF OF THE SIDE IS, IS OCCUPIED, BUT THE OTHER IS IS COMPLETELY EMPTY.
SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S START WITH A PLAN FOR TODAY.
IF WE WERE TO TRY TO FIND THEM A SPOT TO GET THEM AWAY FROM THE CRUDE BUILDING, IF THERE IS A FACILITY IN, IN KYLE, AND I KNOW THERE'S BUILDINGS HERE, THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO FIND A SPOT FOR THEM THAT COULD STILL HAVE THE AMENITIES THEY NEED WITH THE KITCHEN, THE SPACE, THE OFFICE SPACE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHERE CAN WE GO STARTING TODAY ON THAT END? IF, IF, IF WE ARE ABLE TO HELP THEM FIND ANOTHER SPOT.
IF, IF IT'S THE CASE THERE, MAYOR PROTI, WE HAVE MONEY PROPOSED IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO MOVE ALL OF OUR PARKS PROGRAMS OUT OF THAT BUILDING INTO AN ALTERNATIVE SPACE.
THAT'D BE A RENTED SPACE, BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE SENIORS TO HAVE SOLE POSSESSION OF THE KRUG BUILDING.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS PART OF, SO, SO LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN OUT DRIVING AROUND KYLE SENIORS AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND A BUILDING FOR Y'ALL CUZ I KNOW THERE'S BUILDINGS OUT THERE THAT ARE VACANT, ESPECIALLY EAST OF KYLE, AND THEY'RE HUGE AND THEY'RE NICE.
UH, ESPECIALLY ONE I SAW ON DAISY THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
SO MYSELF, I'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND THE CITY TRYING TO FIND SOME KIND OF FACILITY THAT COULD BE USED.
BUT IF THAT'S THE PLAN OF, WE EVENTUALLY MOVE THE KYLE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FROM THE SENIOR CITIZENS, AT LEAST THEY CAN SAY THEY'VE GOT A LEASE, NOT TEMPORARY, BUT A TEMPORARY PERMANENT HOME FOR WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
MAYOR, WE MAYOR PRETEND WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING THAT YOU IDENTIFIED.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS TO IT TO SEE WHAT'S INSIDE.
THE SENIORS WOULD LIKE A, A LARGE ROOM FOR THEIR DANCES.
BUT ONCE WE GET ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING, WE'LL BE EVALUATING IT AS WELL.
AND IT HAS LOTS OF PARKING AND IT HAS A REAL NICE DESIGN.
I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, IT WAS THE FEBRUARY 7TH AGENDA WHERE COUNCILWOMAN, UH, FLORIS KALE SUGGESTED, UM, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO CREATE A TEMPORARY PLAN TO RELOCATE, WHICH WE APPROVED.
AND SO, UM, IT JUST BASED ON THAT TIME, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO WHEN I'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE TO, AND NOTHING ELSE PRIOR TO WHEN I WAS ELECTED, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE BASED ON THAT, UH, AT LEAST WE, WE HAVE A TRAJECTORY OF MOVING FORWARD IN A WAY THAT, UM, CAN DRIVE TOWARD, UH, A SUS AN OUTCOME THAT CAN BE SUSTAINED, UM, ALL THE WAY THROUGH FINANCING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING HERE TO, TO AT LEAST, UM, MAKE GOOD ON THIS PROMISE TO, TO COME UP WITH, UM, PLANS TO, TO BUILD, UM, BUILD YOU GUYS A NEW HOME.
[22.
Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding an ordinance amending the Code of Ordinances of the City of Kyle, Texas; amending Chapter 54 (landscaping and Screening Requirements) of the City of Kyle, Texas. ~ Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
Planning and Zoning Commission voted 5-0 to approve with amendments outlined in the staff memo.
City Council voted 7-0 to approve on first reading on 6/20/2023.
]ALL RIGHT.NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22.
RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD TO DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS.
AMENDING CHAPTER 54, LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS.
EVENING, NEW MAYOR, COUNSEL, UH, GIMME ONE SECOND.
LEMME PULL UP MY PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY.
UM, TODAY IS THE, UH, UH, SECOND TIME WE'RE BRINGING BACK THIS ORDINANCE, UH, FOR Y'ALL'S CON UH, REVIEW.
UM, WHERE WE KIND OF LEFT OFF LAST TIME WAS, UM, WE HAD OUR, OUR FIRST READING ON 6 20 23.
UM, STAFF DID INCORPORATE THE P AND Z RECOMMENDED CHANGES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL ON THAT DATE.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE'S TWO ITEMS KIND OF
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REMAINING FOR CONSIDERATION.UH, BOTH OF THOSE ARE REGARDING THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL LANDSCAPING.
UM, SO FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, THIS, THIS DISCUSSION'S GONNA CENTER ON TWO SECTIONS OF CODE, UM, ONE OF OR TWO AREAS OF CODE.
THE FIRST WILL BE WHAT IS QUALIFIES AS REQUIRED LANDSCAPING.
UM, SO IF YOU BUILD A A BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY THAT, THAT IS DEDICATED TO LANDSCAPING.
THE SECOND SECTION WILL DISCUSS ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
SO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED IF SOME, IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO GO KIND OF THE EXTRA MILE.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THE CURRENT CODE DOES NOT ALLOW ARTIFICIAL LANDSCAPING IN AREAS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPING, THIS CODE DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.
NOW THE CURRENT CODE DOES ALLOW FOR ALTERNATE LANDSCAPING, BUT IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTION ARTIFICIAL PLANTS AND GRASS.
THIS IS MORE OF A VARIANCE, UH, TO THE CODE.
IT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING, UM, HARDSHIPS TO THE PROPERTY, WHETHER YOU'RE ON A CHUNK OF DOLEMITE OR THROUGH TO TOPOGRAPHY OR SOME OTHER OF MEASURE.
UM, SO IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO UTILIZE OTHER FORMS OF LANDSCAPING, BUT IT DOES, AGAIN, DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ALLOW TURF.
UH, SO IT CAN BE, UH, AGGREGATE, UH, BRICK, PAVERS, OTHER TYPES OF OF MATERIAL.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UH, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT CODE, UM, AGAIN, PROHIBITS ARTIFICIAL LANDSCAPING.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR YOU AND WHAT WE'RE BRINGING BACK TONIGHT IS TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 10% OF REQUIRED LANDSCAPING TO BE ARTIFICIAL AND LIFELIKE.
CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE DIRECTIONS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING HIGH QUALITY, UH, TURF.
AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THAT TURF THERE IN THE CORNER FIELD, LIKE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, THOSE ARE THE HIGHER END PRODUCTS THAT YOU SEE VERSUS THE KIND OF CARPET TYPE STUFF.
NOW THIS CODE IS PROPOSING TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL OR EXCESS AREAS THAT ARE PUTTING IN LANDSCAPING TO BE UTILIZED ARTIFICIAL TURF.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED.
UM, NOW THIS WILL PROVIDE CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE CURRENT CODES ON, ON WHAT ALTERNATE ALTERNATING ALTERNATE LANDSCAPING REGULATIONS ARE.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE VARIANCE SECTION.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONAL ARTIFICIAL LANDSCAPING DOES NOT NEED TO BE LIFELIKE.
SO IF YOU'RE USING THIS ON WHAT'S REQUIRED, UH, OR IF YOU'RE USING TERRAFORM, WHAT'S REQUIRED, YOU WOULD UTILIZE THIS.
IF IT'S EXCESS AREA NOT REQUIRED, WE WOULD PROPOSE TO ALLOW THEM TO USE THE, THE CARPET TYPE MATERIAL THAT YOU SEE.
JASON? S SO, SO SAY IT AGAIN? THE CODE TONIGHT WOULD ALLOW FOR THIS IN THE LANDSCAPED AREAS.
WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPED AREAS WOULD ALLOW IS ALLOWED, YES.
BUT I THOUGHT AT THE LAST MEETING IT WAS NOT ALLOWED.
WELL, WE'RE PROPO PROPOSING TO ALLOW THIS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JASON ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILOR PARSLEY.
SO, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE ARE ONLY DOING MAX 10%? UM, IT WAS KIND OF A GOOD STARTING POINT.
UM, SO LET ME SHOW YOU KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF, OF WHY WE KIND OF CHOSE THAT.
UM, SO THIS IS A, AN EXISTING SITE.
UM, SO THIS AREA IS 37,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THEIR REQUIRED LANDSCAPING ON THIS IS 3,700 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE IN GREEN.
UM, 10% OF THAT WOULD BE 374 SQUARE FEET.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF A, A, A GOOD CHUNK.
UM, STAFF DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS OF, OF STARTING OUT AT 50.
AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR NICE DECORATION, UH, GOOD LANDSCAPING.
BUT WE DID WANT TO ALLOW SOME AREAS THAT MAY BE UNDER A TREE, UNDER AN OAK TREE, SOMETHING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST GRASS ISN'T GROWING, IT'S MUDDY.
THIS WOULD KIND OF SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
ADDITIONALLY, MOST, MOST DEVELOPERS DO INSTALL EXCESS OF LANDSCAPING.
SO YOU'LL CAN SEE ON THIS IMAGE, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 6,000 SQUARE FEET THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW, OR THE PROPOSED CODE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO UTILIZE ADDITIONAL TURF IN THOSE AREAS AS JUST AS PART OF THE REQUIRED SCREENING.
THAT'S WHY WE LIMITED IT TO 10%.
SO THE CODE WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD ALLOW IT USED EVERYWHERE IS JUST WHERE IT'S REQUIRED.
IT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF THE HIGHER END, AND IT, IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER VOLUME.
UH, IF, IF THIS BOARD, OR IF COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT, HEY, MAYBE WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT, YOU KNOW, 15, 20% AND STAFF WOULD BE GLAD TO, TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
BUT AS A STARTING POINT, WE KIND OF WANTED TO, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO OFF THE DEEP END, SO TO SPEAK, AND, AND KIND OF JUST GIVE CAR BLANCHE TO, TO THOSE DEVELOPERS.
SO I, I'M THINKING COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY WANTS TO MAKE IT A MINIMUM.
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SAY, YOU KNOW, MAX 50%.UM, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER WHERE WE SEE ALL JUST DEAD GRASS EVERYWHERE.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY THE LIMIT OF THE 10% ONLY ON THE REQUIRED AREAS.
UM, DOES THIS AFFECT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? UH, YES.
SO ANY, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY'RE USING IT IN REQUIRED OR EXCESS, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THIS ACCOUNT TO IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
SO IF YOU FLIP THOSE OVER, YOU'LL NOTICE SOME, SOME SWEEP HOLES OR DRAIN HOLES IN THOSE, UM MM-HMM.
SO, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY PERVIOUS, THAT THAT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF SHEET FLOW.
SO WE'D HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, DO THOSE CALCULATIONS AND SUBMIT THOSE AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN.
SO WHETHER IT'S 10% IMPERVIOUS OR 90%, JUST BE DEPENDING ON THE PRODUCT ITSELF.
AND THAT MAY BE ANOTHER REASON NOT TO DO 50%, CUZ IF WE ALLOW THAT, BUT THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE DOESN'T, MAYBE WE CAN DO LIKE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF A PERCENTAGE UP TO A CERTAIN, LIKE, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ALLOTMENT INSTEAD.
SO THAT WAY YOU'RE KEEPING IT ALL ON THE SAME, SAME LEVEL.
UH, CUZ SOME PLACES YOU MAYBE NOT DO 50% BECAUSE OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, BUT SOME PLACES YOU COULD PROBABLY EASILY DO 45.
SO I THINK KEEPING IT 10% IS SAFE UNLESS YOU WANNA CHANGE IT TO, INSTEAD OF A PERCENTAGE IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, LIKE HOW IT'S AFFECTED.
WELL, AND THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
EACH SITE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME THINGS THAT MAY AFFECT THAT.
UM, ALSO TO KEEP IN MIND IS ON THE EXCESS AREAS, UM, THAT IF THEY WANTED TO PUT ARTIFICIAL TURF IN, WHETHER IT WAS THE LOWER GRADE PRODUCT OR THE HIGHER GRADE PRODUCT, THERE'D BE NO CAP ON THAT.
SO THEY COULD INSTALL, UM, ALL OF THOSE AREAS.
SO, UM, SAY MOST OF THEIR, THEIR LIVE LANDSCAPING WAS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.
THEY HAD AN INTERIOR COURTYARD AND THEY WANTED ALL OF THAT ARTIFICIAL, THEY COULD COME BACK WITH A, A LESSER TYPE PRODUCT OR THAT IF THEY CHOSE TO.
UM, BUT WE WOULDN'T MANDATE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE MAKING A PROPOSAL FOR, UH, ARTIFICIAL GRASS, YOU SAID THAT THE GRASS HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PERMEABILITY.
PERMEABILITY ALMOST SAID PER, IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS THE WORD, UM, PER PERMEABILITY.
SO DO YOU, ARE YOU THE ONE WHO HAS, DO YOU, DO YOU ACTUALLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION? LIKE MAYBE THE GRASS HAS A RATING AND THEN YOU, IT'S JUST NOT JUST A BLANKET RULE ON IT'S ARTIFICIAL, THEREFORE IT'S 100% IMPERVIOUS? NO, IT, IT'S TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON EACH.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT, UM, VERSIONS.
EACH ONE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
UM, THEY LOOK VERY SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE SUBTLE DIFFERENCES.
SO IF YOU TURN AND THEY'RE LIKE RATED WITH DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOW THAT GOES THROUGH THE GRASS.
EACH ONE WILL HAVE ITS OWN STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS.
WE'D HAVE THEIR ENGINEER SIGN OFF.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW IT ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
UM, UH, I GUESS THE EASIEST WAY TO TO CONSIDER THIS IS WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS ARTIFICIAL GRAPH CRUSH, GRANITE, GRAVEL.
THERE, THERE, THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PERMEABILITY.
UM, THE, THE DEVELOPER COMES IN, MAY PUT SOME HERE, MAY PUT SOME THERE, AND THEY MAY COMPACT IT.
BUT IT COULD BE AS MUCH AS 10, AS LITTLE AS 10% OR AS MUCH AS A HUNDRED PERCENT IN TERMS OF THE PERMEABILITY.
I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY THAT ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, I, I THINK THE HIGHEST ONE I SAW WAS 55.
BUT THESE PRODUCTS ARE CHANGING EVERY DAY.
SO THE, I GUESS MY POINT IS A, AS IT RELATES TO, IF WE WANNA SEE MORE OF THIS PRODUCT, THEY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION IF THEY'RE UP AGAINST, UH, UH, UH, UH, PERVIOUS COVERAGE LIMITATION, THEY CAN GAIN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE BY PUTTING IN ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT HAS A HIGHER RATE OF PERMEABILITY ABSORPTION RATE.
AND IF THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, MAYBE THEN THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS MORE SHEET FLOW.
THERE'S, THEY HAVE, THERE'S, THERE'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A LAW HERE ABOUT THE USE OF A TYPE OF GRASS THAT HAS A RANGE MM-HMM.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE PER THE PERMEABILITY IS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR.
SO IF WE WANTED TO ALLOW FOR MORE, I, I COULD SUPPORT ALLOWING FOR MORE THE QUESTION CUSTOMER ZUNIGA.
UM, AND ARE, DO WE HAVE, UM, ANY ENFORCEMENT IN CASE IT'S DAMAGED OR FADED OR TORN THAT THEY HAVE TO REPLACE AND MAINTAIN? YES.
SO THERE IS A SECTION IN THE CODE, UM, THAT SPEAKS TO MAINTENANCE.
WE DID ADD SOME LANGUAGE BASED ON P Z'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DISCUSS, UH, COLOR FADING, RIPS, TEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO BE SENDING CODE OFFICERS FOR EACH LITTLE TEAR.
WE'RE HOPING THAT THE DEVELOPERS WILL UNDERSTAND THEY OWN A BUSINESS.
IT'S A TRIP HAZARD, IT'S A FAULT,
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THEY'LL FIX IT ON THEMSELVES.BUT IF THEY DON'T, WE, WE WILL ENFORCE THAT AS ANY OTHER CODE WE HAVE UTILIZING CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I ALSO AGREE WITH THE INCREASING THE PERCENTAGE ALLOWED FOR, WELL, IT'S ONE OF, LIKE, WHEN YOU GO TO MARY CAL HARRISON PARK, WE HAVE A LOT, LOT OF LIKE THE ARTIFICIAL GRASS AND IT LOOKS GOOD ALL THE TIME.
I, I BELIEVE THAT'S MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE GREEN SPACE.
THIS, THIS IMAGE HERE IS IS FROM THAT PARK.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME TO PUT OUR ARTIFICIAL GRASS, UM, NOT ONLY LOOKS GOOD.
I I BELIEVE THE MAINTENANCE IS PROBABLY, UM, EASIER.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOR THE USAGE TO NOT BE JUST CAPPED AT 10%.
DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER? I WOULD SAY 50%.
I MEAN, IF IT'S UP TO ME, I WOULDN'T JUST EVEN GIVE A LIMIT ON WHAT THEY CAN USE.
THE, THE, THEY COULD REQUEST A VARIANCE AND TAKE THAT TO PLANNING AND ZONING FOR A LANDSCAPING VARIANCE TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER.
OR, OR WOULD THAT BE A AND WE ARE JUST LIKE TAPPING, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T BELIEVE SO THAT THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF HARDSHIP TO, IN, TO INCREASE SOMETHING.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T THINK OF A SCENARIO AT THIS POINT, BUT YEAH.
SO IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY PUT ANY ARTIFICIAL GRASS, IT'S JUST ALLOWING UP TO YES.
AND THE, THE THING IS LIKE, IT'S EXPENSIVE, SO CHANCES ARE THAT THEY'RE, THEY MAY NOT PUT IT, CUZ I KNOW IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN, THAN PUTTING GRASS.
SO THAT'S WHY THINKING I'M ALSO AMENABLE TO A LOWER NUMBER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? UM, I, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY ABOUT THE USAGE, CUZ THERE'S TIMES I'VE DRIVEN OUT THERE THIS SUMMER AND THERE'S FAMILIES THAT ARE JUST SITTING OUT THERE AND THEY'RE NOT SITTING IN WITH, WITH THERE'S AUNTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, IF, IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING TO WHERE THIS IS A, A MORE MODERN TECHNOLOGY USED FOR PARKS AND IT'S MORE, UH, I PLEASING AND SO FORTH, AND IT COULD BE SAFER AS WELL.
UM, I, I'M ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING SOME DEVELOPERS TO USE THAT FOR THEIR LANDSCAPE.
UM, I THINK IF WE START OFF AT A BASIC RATE, IF WE HAVE TO GO 50%, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WE COULD ALWAYS CHANGE IT.
WE COULD ALSO GO LOWER TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH OR, OR SO FORTH, OR IT'S TOO COST EXPENSIVE FOR THE DEVELOPER.
WE, WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THESE THINGS.
BUT, UH, MAYOR, IF YOU AND MS. PARSLEY, IF YOU ARE, UH, SAFE, WE JUST GOING WITH A 50% RIGHT NOW AT THE HALF MARK, HALFWAY MARK, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS GAUGE IT.
EITHER WE LOWER IT OR GO UP AND DOWN.
JASON, WAS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION POINT THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING UP, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE ARTIFICIAL GRASS FROM OUR LAST CONVERSATION? NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL WERE CLEAR ON.
I KNOW I MAY HAVE CONFUSED Y'ALL ON THE LAST MEETING, ON, ON REQUIRED VERSUS EXCESS AND THEN VERSUS THE KIND OF VARIANCE PROCESS.
SO IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD THERE AND DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I, I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE SOME DIRECTION AND SO WE CAN BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU, UH, FOR A SECOND.
READ, UH, THIS IS SECOND READING.
WHAT DID WE DO WRONG? IS IT ON RIGHT.
VERONICA RIVERA, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, THE AGENDA ITEM IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES AND IT IS BEING BROUGHT BACK TO YOU FOR SECOND READING.
THE STAFF WAS ASKING FOR DIRECTION AT THIS TIME, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE WERE ITEMS THAT JASON AGAIN DISCUSSED WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.
WELL, OUR, OUR DIRECTION WAS TO PASS IT ON FIRST READING FOR THEM TO BRING BACK A VERY SPECIFIC ITEM ON SECOND READING, AND THEN WE COULD PASS, WE COULD MAKE A DECISION ON SECOND READING AND PASS IT.
THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT TO COME BACK A THIRD TIME.
WE'VE, WE'VE RESOLVED THE ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT LISTED FOR SECOND READING, THEREFORE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT WRITTEN THAT WAY OR ANY ACTION TO TAKE PLACE, YOU ARE UNABLE TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT.
SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IS, IS JUST DIRECTION, THE PERCENTAGES OVERALL COMFORT WITH THE IDEA.
AND IF YOU CAN GIVE US, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 50%, THEN WE'LL DRAFT THAT IN THE LANGUAGE AND YOU'LL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM AT YOUR NEXT AGENDA TO DO IT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO GIVE DIRECTION TO BRING BACK A 50% ALLOWANCE FOR ARTIFICIAL GRASS IN THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE, THE MOTION, SORRY.
UM, ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH THE, THE OTHER PROPOSED CHANGES THERE, THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN TECHNOLOGY THAT GAVE, UH, THE DIRECTOR THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER QUALIFIED FOR, REQUIRED OR NOT.
SO, UM, IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT, THEN YEAH.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MOTION IS MA I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THIS MOTION MADE BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY.
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UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.I WISH I'D KNOWN, I WOULD'VE TRIED TO GET IN FRONT OF THAT SO THAT WE COULD HAVE JUST HANDLED IT.
[14.
(First Reading) An ordinance amending Chapter 53 (Zoning) of the City of Kyle, Texas, for the purpose of rezoning approximately 3.764 acres from Retail Services Zoning "RS" (Retail Services), "PUD" (CBD-2) Central Business District-2 and rezone approximately, 23.36 acres from "PUD" (CBD-2) to "PUD" (CBD-2) for property located at 1717 N. Burleson St. in Hays County, Texas. (Word Place Properties , LLC - Z-23-0116) ~ Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
Planning and Zoning Commission voted 5-0 to recommend approval of the request.
- Public Hearing
[15.
Approve a Development Agreement by and between Word Place Properties, LLC, Sylvester Diaz, Maria Diaz and the City of Kyle. ~ Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
]
[16. Public Hearing Concerning the Creation of the Word Place Public Improvement District, Pursuant to the Provisions of Chapter 372 of the Texas Local Government Code. ~ Stephanie Leibe, Norton Rose Fulbright, City's Bond Counsel]
[17. Resolution of the City Council of the City of Kyle, Texas, Authorizing and Creating the Word Place Public Improvement District within the City of Kyle, Texas Pursuant to Chapter 372 Texas Local Government Code; Resolving other matters incident and related thereto; and Providing an effective date. ~ Stephanie Leibe, Norton Rose Fulbright, City's Bond Counsel]
NEXT UP WE'RE GONNA BRING UP AGENDA ITEMS 14 THROUGH 17.UH, FIRST READING, UH, ITEM 14, UH, IN ORDINANCE ADMITTING CHAPTER 53, ZONING THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF REZONING.
APPROXIMATELY 3.764 ACRES FROM RETAIL SERVICES, UH, UH, P U D CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO, AND REZONED APPROXIMATELY 23.3 ACRES, UH, FROM, UH, CBD TWO TO POD CBD, TWO FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1717 NORTH BURLESON.
UH, THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, ITEM 15, BETWEEN, UH, THE WORKPLACE PROPERTIES, LLCS, UH, SYLVESTER DIAZ, MARIA DIAZ, THE CITY OF KYLE.
AGENDA ITEM 16, PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE CREATION OF WORKPLACE, UH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 3 72.
AND AGENDA ITEM 17, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS AUTHORIZING CREATING WORKPLACE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UH, ACCORDING TO CHAPTER 3 72, MR. ATKINSON, WELL, ATKINSON, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE RECORD.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, BEFORE YOU, AS STATED, WE HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE ITEMS REGARDING THE WORKPLACE PROJECT.
THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT ARE RELATED AND ALL TOGETHER FOR THE PROPOSED ENTITLEMENT OF THIS SITE FOR THE WORKPLACE PROJECT.
UH, ON THE MAP, ON THE SCREEN OF THREE, YOU CAN SEE THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SITE.
IT IS, UH, JUST WEST OF I 35 AND, UH, A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT MARKETPLACE AND NORTH BURLESON.
UH, IT DOES HAVE EXISTING POD ZONING WITH THE BASE DISTRICT OF CBD TWO.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND IT ON 12 10, 20 19 UNANIMOUSLY.
AND CITY COUNCIL VOTED, UH, ON THE 17TH OF 2019, UH, UNANIMOUS.
AND IT PASSED ON TO A STREET, UM, THROUGHOUT, UH, THE PANDEMIC AND AT LEAST THREE TIMES.
UM, THIS PROJECT WENT THROUGH THE PARKS BOARD FOR A RECOMMENDATION PROCESS TO, UM, FROM THE DESIGN AND DEDICATION PROPOSED FOR THIS PARKLAND.
AND, UM, IT, THE PARKS BOARD IS VERY EXCITED AND CONSEQUENTLY SO IS STAFF.
UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NATURE TRAIL THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROJECT, A PORTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL, A FITNESS COURT THAT'S BEEN FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT, I DO BELIEVE A PLAY SCAPE AND ALSO TRAILHEAD PARKING, UH, BETWEEN, UH, NORTH BURLESON AND, UH, I 35, UH, BACK IN, UH, LATE 2022 AND NOVEMBER.
ON NOVEMBER 15TH, UM, Y'ALL, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL DID ENDORSE THIS PROJECT WITH A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK A PID TO DOCUMENTS AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WE ARE ABLE.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN LAST WEEK AT THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, THE COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THE AMENDED POD WITH THE FIVE ZERO VOTES AND JUST SOME BASIC INFORMATION.
UH, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PUD CBD TWO.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF IT BY A LITTLE OVER THREE ACRES.
AND ADJACENT TO IT, YOU HAVE, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH.
R THREE THREE, A PUD, THAT WAS, UM, BY THE ARENA MAN GROUP AND ALSO, UH, JOE BROOKS ON THE WEST SIDE OF MARKETPLACE.
AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AGRICULTURE TO THE SOUTH.
IT DOES HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF CBD TWO.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE CORE AREA TRANSITION.
IT IS, UH, IT'S A PROJECT THAT FITS IN VERY WELL WITH THE, UH, ESTABLISHED ZONING US ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AS WELL.
AND THEN FROM THE REQUEST TO THE CITY, UH, THEY ARE ASKING FOR A PID WITH SOME DEVIATIONS FROM THE SIDS, THE CITY'S PID POLICY.
AND, UM, I'LL BRING UP, UM, STEPHANIE LEVY HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.
UH, THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR A TOURS WITH COUNTY PARTICIPATION AMENDMENT TO THE POD ZONING, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND A PARKLAND DEDICATION.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PRIMARILY TALKS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THE DEDICATION OF THE PARKLAND, IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THAT, AND ALSO A PARKING LICENSING AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS OF NORTH BURLESON AS WELL.
AND AT THIS TIME, I'LL BRING UP, UH, STEPHANIE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STEPHANIE LEVY WITH NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT CITY'S BOND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD.
UM, AS MIL WILL MENTIONED IN CONNECTION WITH, UH, THE PID PETITION, THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING SOME DEVIATIONS FROM THE CITY'S PID POLICY.
CITY'S PID POLICY CURRENTLY PROVIDES FOR AN OVERALL, UM, 2.5 TO ONE LIEN TO VALUE RATIO.
UH, THE DEVELOPERS REQUESTED, I THINK, 2.1.
WE'VE GONE BACK WITH 3.1 ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS.
SO THERE ARE SOME DEVIATIONS TO THERE AS IT
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RELATES TO MAXIMUM MATURITY FOR THE BONDS.I THINK YOU SAID THAT'S WHAT'S BACK IN THERE, RIGHT? SORRY, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR TWO TO ONE.
I I THINK YOU ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR TWO TO ONE.
NOT UNDER THE CURRENT, NOT UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, BUT I WAS INFORMING COUNSEL THAT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER.
AND WHAT WE'VE COME TO COUNSEL WITH IS A THREE TO ONE PROPOSAL, EVEN THOUGH 2.5 TO ONE WOULD'VE BEEN PERMITTED UNDER THE PIT POLICY.
AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY MORE STRINGENT THAN THAT POLICY AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
UH, FOR THE PID BONDS, THE PID POLICY CONTAINS A 20 YEAR MAXIMUM MATURITY DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING 30 YEAR BONDS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE PID POLICY POLICY SPECIFIES THAT THE CITY'S NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDINGS BEYOND THE PID BOND PROCEEDS.
AND OF COURSE, HERE THE DEVELOPER'S ADDITIONAL ASKING FOR THE TOURS.
SO THERE WOULD BE OTHER CITY FUNDS THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PROJECT IN ADDITION TO THE PIT BOND PROCEEDS.
AND THEN FROM A COMMUNITY BENEFIT PERSPECTIVE, OF COURSE, YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE 13 ACRE PARK WITH THE AMENITIES, UH, IT'LL HAVE APPROXIMATELY, UH, A LITTLE OVER 0.6 MILES OF NATURAL TRAILS, UM, WITHIN THE PARK POINT ONE SEVEN MILES OF THE VIBE TRAIL FITNESS PAD, WETLANDS, RECONSTRUCTION, AND INVASIVE SPECIES REMOVAL.
THEY'RE PROVIDING A LARGE EMPHASIS ON THAT.
AND THEN THE VIBE TRAIL SEGMENT ADDED, UM, FOR A TOTAL IN WHICH THIS INCLUDES THE PARK, UH, ABOUT JUST UNDER, UH, 0.4 MILES, UH, IT'LL HAVE PART OF THE SPINE OF THE VIBE TRAIL THAT'S IN OUR NETWORK, AND IT'LL HELP COMPLETE INJUNCTION IN THE TRAIL MOVING SOUTH TOWARDS THE ARENA MAN PROJECT AS WELL.
AND THIS, UH, PROJECT OVERALL FROM A VIBE NODE, WE WILL CREATE A SMALL TOWN SQUARE FOR THE VIBE NODE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TRAILHEAD PARKING, ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS, REBUILDING NORTH BURLESON FOR STREET PARKING, STREET TREES, SIDEWALKS, INTERNAL STREET DESIGNS FOR VERY SIMILAR DESIGN.
UH, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE CONSTRUCTING, UM, WITHIN THE FIRST PHASE, UH, TWO VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS, APPROXIMATELY 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL WITH THOSE.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS ALSO ON SITE BETWEEN THE TWO, THOSE TWO MAJOR BUILDINGS OF ADDITIONAL 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THEY WILL BE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD AND HOLD THEM AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
AND HERE, RIGHT HERE WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL.
THAT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
UM, CITY PARK TO THE RIGHT OF THE CREEK AND THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST.
AND THE ONES IN ORANGE ARE THE, UH, THE BUILD AND HOLD, WHICH WILL BE PART OF THE FIRST PHASE.
AND SOME IMAGES RIGHT HERE OF, UH, THE THREE SISTERS, WHICH IS, UH, ADJACENT TO THE CREEK WITH A LITTLE TOWN SQUARE RIGHT THERE, THE LEX AND LOUISE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE, TO THE SOUTH, UH, AROUND THE TOWN SQUARE AS WELL.
AND THEN JUST ANOTHER SLIDE FOR THE AMENITIES WITH THE PLAYGROUND AS WELL.
AND SO, UH, AT THIS TIME, I DO BELIEVE MR. UH, BARTON ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION, AND I'LL STOP SHARING, AND SO HIS STAFF CAN, UH, ALSO SHARE THE SLIDES AS WELL.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
UH, AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JEFF BARTON.
UM, I'M A PROPERTY OWNER AND TAXPAYER HERE IN THE CITY OF CAL LIVE, JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CITY LIMITS.
GOT SON, CHILDREN, UH, AUNTS, UH, MOM, LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WORKPLACE.
AS YOU HEARD, UH, YOU HAD A GREAT PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.
I'VE HAD QUESTIONS FROM SEVERAL OF YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, AND YOU'VE ASKED ME TO DETAIL THOSE TONIGHT.
SO I AM GONNA TRY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND FLESH OUT, UH, WHAT YOU HEARD FROM STAFF.
I'LL GO THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT, UH, I HOPE IT'LL GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT'S HELPFUL TO YOU.
HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE ADVANCING THE SLIDES.
UH, IT SAYS, THERE WE GO AGAIN.
UH, WE'RE AIMING, UH, THE WORKPLACE TO REALLY BE A DESTINATION PROJECT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN OUR VIEW, SOMEWHAT A GAME CHANGER FOR KYLE, CERTAINLY FOR, UH, PARCELS OF THIS SIZE.
YOU SAW A MOMENT AGO, THE RENDERINGS.
THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT WAS DEVELOPED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF WORK WITH OUR PROFESSIONAL TEAM, BUT ALSO WITH HELP FROM SOME OF YOU ON THE DAIS.
WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
IT'S ALSO AN ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.
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PLEASED TO SAY ADDING, UH, MONEY.BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, PERHAPS ADDING REAL CONNECTION, YOU HEARD WILL MENTION IT.
THIS, THIS CRITICAL CONNECTION THAT WE AS LONGTIME RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND BETWEEN EAST AND WEST KYLE, GOING UNDERNEATH THE INTERSTATE TO HELP PROVIDE THE FIRST, UH, REAL TANGIBLE CONNECTION ON THE VIBE TRAIL OF THOSE EAST AND WEST COMMUNITIES.
AND WE BELIEVE WILL BRING DESTINATION RETAIL, UH, TO THE CITY AS WELL, A SIGNIFICANT NATURE PRESERVE, AS WELL AS, UM, UH, 13.5 ACRES OF CITY PARK GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, AND UPSCALE LIVING, UM, HERE WITHIN THE CITY.
SO I WANNA TALK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT, UH, WORKPLACE, HOW IT GOT TO BE, WHERE IT IS, UM, AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE PLAN FOR IT IN THE FUTURE.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT FROM US.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, I 35 ON THE RIGHT, UH, THE RV PLACE, THE, UH, THE FLEA MARKET HERE IN THE FOREGROUND AND BOUNDED BY BURLESON AND MARKETPLACE STREETS.
IT ACTUALLY HAS I 35 FRONTAGE, BUT WE DON'T PLAN TO ACCESS THAT FRONTAGE BECAUSE OF FLOOD PLAN ISSUES.
UM, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WAY BACK IN 2019 ON A UNANIMOUS VOTE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
IT INCLUDED A NUMBER OF LOTS NORTH OF THE CREEKS AS WELL AS SOUTH OF THE CREEKS.
UH, YOU GUYS WERE VERY KIND WHEN YOU ENDORSED IT.
UH, UH, P AND Z ALSO ENDORSED IT UNANIMOUSLY, BUT, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY, UM, WE REALLY HOPE TO GO UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITHIN ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF THIS WAY BACK IN 2019.
BUT THERE, UH, FLOODPLAIN ISSUES DEVELOPED.
THERE WAS NEW RAINFALL DATA THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
KYLE HAD NOT YET ADOPTED AN A ATLAS 14 ORDINANCE, BUT WE CHOSE TO WORK COOPERATIVELY PROACTIVELY WITH THE CITY BEFORE THAT ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED TO REALLY ADDRESS POTENTIAL FLOODPLAIN ISSUES IN THE FUTURE ON THIS SITE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE PART OF THIS PART FOR A LONG TIME.
WE WANTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE, WE THINK THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING.
SO, UH, WE HELPED DEVELOP FLOOD STUDIES FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, UH, AND, UH, INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE ANALYSIS TO CONFIRM THOSE FLOOD STUDIES.
AND RECONFIGURED OUR CONCEPT PLAN TO GIVE UP, UH, THAT LAND THOSE LOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UH, UH, THE CREEKS, UH, TO A NATURE AREA TO PRESERVE, TO PROTECT, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, FLOODPLAIN TO ALLOW MORE WATER TO BE ABSORBED.
AND TO REALLY DOUBLE DOWN ON THIS CONCEPT OF A TRAIL ORIENTED DESIGN.
THIS SHOWS, UH, THE VIBE TRAIL CONNECTING, UH, BACK ACROSS MARKETPLACE.
WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ON THAT SIDE TO MAKE SURE THE TRAIL CONNECTS THERE.
THEN COMES TO THE NORTH, AND WE'LL CONNECT TO THE EAST WEST TRAIL AS, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, AND GO BY THE TRAILHEAD PARKING THAT'S OFFSITE FROM US.
SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO OUTSIDE OF OUR PROJECT AND CONNECT UNDERNEATH, UH, CONNECT TO I 35, WHERE WE'LL PICK UP WITH OTHER TRAILS THAT ARE PLANNED, UH, BY THE CITY.
IT INCORPORATES ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AND GREEN SPACES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
SOME OF THIS, AS YOU HEARD, UH, YOUR PLANNING DIRECTOR SAY, IS BUILD AND HOLD.
SO HERE IN THE GOLD, I'M, I'M, UH, COLOR CHALLENGED.
I WANNA CALL IT ORANGE, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOLD.
UH, THIS BUILD AND HOLD THAT WILL BE HELD BY THE FAMILY, UH, CENTRAL SQUARE FARMHOUSE, UH, THAT WILL INCORPORATE THE OLD HISTORIC FAMILY, FARMHOUSE, FARMHOUSE.
AND THEN, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UH, A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING FOR SOME OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF, UH, OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING MY MOTHER, WHO YOU MET EARLIER.
UH, WE WILL HAVE OTHER BUILDERS THAT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MEETING DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE IMPOSING ON THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE ARTICULATION AND THE KINDS OF MATERIALS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN WITH ABOUT THE CITY THAT'LL BE ENFORCED BY US AND OUR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL BUILDERS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WHO REALLY DO, UH, VERY HIGH QUALITY WORK.
THEN IN ADDITION, THERE IS THIS IDEA OF THE CITY PARK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE'VE REALLY, UM, UH, TAKEN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND, AND TRIED TO MAKE LEMONADE OUT OF THEM WITH, UH, LANDMARK HISTORIC, UH, CITY PARK.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THERE, IN THE BRICK AND MORTAR DISTRICT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CITY PARK BEING DEVELOPED ABOUT AN ACRE.
THIS IS 13 AND A HALF ACRES, TWO CREEKS, ONE EPHEMERAL, ONE LIVE YEAR ROUND.
UM, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, FEATURES HERE.
WE, WE'LL HAVE A, A PLAYGROUND, UH, A DESTINATION KIND OF CITYWIDE PLAYGROUND WITH REALLY UNIQUE, UH, FEATURES, UH, GREAT, UH, LANDSCAPE EFFORT HERE, ACTIVE PLAY, NATURE ORIENTED PLAY.
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WE ALSO HAVE A FITNESS COURT THAT THE CITY ASKED US TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SITE.IT'LL BE RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL, OUTDOOR FITNESS.
WE'VE CON, WE'VE CONTRIBUTED THE LAND IN THE 105, $110,000 TO MEET THE MATCH GRANT.
UM, THERE WILL BE NATURE TRAILS THROUGHOUT, AS YOU'VE HEARD.
THE VIBE IS THIS GREAT CONCEPT THAT WE FULLY ENDORSED.
WE'VE ALSO HEARD CLEARLY THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WANT A MORE NATURE ORIENTED EXPERIENCE THAT'LL WIND THROUGH MATURE TREES FOR US AND DOWN TO THE WATER.
AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WATER, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS SHOT FROM THE SITE.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A DRIBBLE, BUT REAL WATER, BEAUTIFUL WATER, ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC SPOTS IN KYLE.
IT WAS ALWAYS A DREAM OF MY GRANDMOTHER THAT THIS WOULD BECOME, UH, A PARK PERHAPS ONE DAY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO HELP FULFILL THAT.
UM, WE ORIGINALLY, UH, CAME WITH THE IDEA OF DE A PARK AFTER SHOWING IT TO CITY STAFF AND CITY STAFF REQUESTED THAT WE CONSIDER AS A PARK THAT WAS, AS YOU HEARD FROM WILL LATER ENDORSED BY THE PARKS BOARD.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE PLAYERS THAT INCLUDES A, UH, A LABYRINTH MADE OUT OF NATIVE GRASSES, UM, UH, SO THAT KIDS CAN PLAY IN IT, AND THEIR PARENTS CAN SEE OVER THE TOP OF THE GRASSES.
AND THEN EMBRACING THE NATURAL AREAS THERE.
WE'VE DONE WHAT WE THINK NO OTHER DEVELOPERS HAS EVER DONE IN KYLE, WHICH IS REALLY DEVELOPED A FULLY PLAN FOR PRESERVING THAT NATURE AREA.
AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE'VE ALREADY PRODUCED A, A NATURAL AREA MANAGEMENT GUIDELINE.
PART OF THAT WE WILL DO UPFRONT WITH FUNDS FROM THE PIT TOURS.
PART OF THAT IS A GUIDE FOR THE CITY FOR LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE.
SO IT CATALOGS ALL THE SPECIES, PLANT ANIMAL ON THE SITE.
WE'LL HAVE WAYFINDING ALONG THE TRAIL THAT WE'LL PRODUCE TO HELP EDUCATE CHILDREN AND CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY ABOUT HISTORIC, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCES THERE, BUT ABOUT, UH, ANIMAL AND, UH, PLANT LIFE AND, UH, THE CREEK, WHICH IS SO CRITICAL TO BOTH THE HISTORY AND THE FUTURE OF KYLE.
UH, YOUR VIBE PLAN CALLS FOR, UH, CREATING THEMED HUBS, A ALONG THE VIBE.
OURS IS A PLAY ON THE FAMILY NAME WORD.
UH, OVER TIME, UH, WE'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN KIND OF THE READING LIFE OF KYLE.
THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER OF AR ARTISTS AND, UH, WRITERS WHO'VE LIVED ON THE PLACE.
SO WE'RE EMBRACING THE, THE DOUBLE MEANING OF WORD THERE.
AND WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC ART THROUGHOUT THE SITE THAT KIND OF, UH, REINFORCES THAT IDEA OF A CULTURAL CENTER AND A WORD PLACE WITH, UH, ENTERTAINMENT AND AMENITIES.
THESE, WE LOOKED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO REALLY TRY AND UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DO THIS.
RIGHT? UH, FROM THE EAST COAST TO THE WEST TO MINNEAPOLIS, TWO SITES THAT REALLY MADE AN IMPRESSION ON US WERE CARMEL, INDIANA THAT HAS ONE OF THE PREMIER TRAIL ORIENTED DESIGNS IN THE COUNTRY.
WE WENT UP AND SPENT ABOUT A WEEK THERE TALKING FOR EVERYBODY FROM THE MERIT AND THE DEVELOP DIRECTORS TO ACTUAL DEVELOPERS ON HOW THEY ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AND THEN, UH, IN TEXAS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN DONE BETTER ANYWHERE THAN ADDISON.
WE, UH, I THINK SOME OF YOU NOW HAVE BEEN TO ADDISON.
UH, UH, OUR, OUR OUR BOTH ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND PEOPLE WHO WERE IN PUBLIC OFFICE AT THE TIME HELPED DEVELOP ADDISON CIRCLE, ONE OF THE PREMIER SITES IN TEXAS FOR THIS, AND VITRUVIAN PARK.
SO, UH, A GREAT EXAMPLE OF MIXED USE AND THE KIND OF QUALITY THAT WE HOPE TO BRING TO THIS PROJECT.
UH, BOTH THOSE WERE HEAVILY CATALYZED BY PUBLIC INVESTMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THIS PART OF TEXAS.
WE ARE ASKING FOR PARTNERSHIP, BUT NOT THE SAME KIND OF, UM, IC INVESTMENT THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, ISSUED THERE.
UM, SOME OF YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS, I THINK, COUNCILMAN PARSLEY, YOU'LL REMEMBER IT.
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT WE CAME TO YOU.
WE, WE REALLY LIKED IT PRETTY WELL.
WE, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT SOME OF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AND ASKED US TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE, REALLY COME UP WITH, UH, A DESIGN THAT REFLECTED YOUR VISION OF KYLE.
WE, WE CONTRACTED OUR ARCHITECTS TO GO BACK TO THAT DRAWING BOARD AND REALLY CHANGED, UH, THAT DESIGN.
HERE YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, ANOTHER SHOT OF WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT IT'S BECOME.
SMOOTHING OUT SOME OF THAT, UM, ROCK CHANGING TO A DIFFERENT ROCK FACE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A SMOOTHER, MORE SOPHISTICATED TEXTURE, UH, IN SOME WAYS, CHANGING THE COLOR PALETTE, THE MATERIALS PALETTE, BRINGING THAT UP TO A SECOND FLOOR.
UM, WE HEARD FROM YOU, UH, LAST NOVEMBER THAT YOU REALLY APPRECIATED THE CHANGES.
WE, WE THINK YOU'VE HELPED MAKE IT A BETTER, UH, PRODUCT.
HERE'S SOME OTHER VIEWS OF THAT.
YOU SAW 'EM QUICKLY FROM WILL.
THIS IS LOOKING DOWN THE PLAZA THAT WE CALL THE BONTON TOWARDS THE PARK ITSELF.
AN AREA THAT YOU CAN HAVE FARMER'S MARKETS CAN HAVE GATHERINGS, MOVIES IN THE PARK.
AND MUSIC HERE IS THAT CENTRAL SQUARE AND A LARGER VIEW, UH, OUTTA THE PLAZA BETWEEN THE LEX AND THE LOUISE, UH, BUILDINGS.
AND IN THE BACKGROUND, THE HISTORIC FARMHOUSE THAT FORMS THE BASIS OF
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THE CENTRAL SQUARE.A QUICK VIEW OF THE ELEVATIONS, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW THIS BREAKS OUT AND HOW THE BUILDINGS MIGHT BE PROGRAMMED, UH, ON THE THREE SISTERS BUILDING, UH, NAMED UP FOR MY MOM AND HER TWO SISTERS.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, FINE DINING ON THE GROUND FLOOR BAR AND POOL, UH, ON THAT SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS UNLIKE ANYTHING WE HAVE IN CAL TODAY.
AND THEN OFFICES STACKED ON TOP OF THAT WITH RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER HALF, ON THE OTHER HALF OF THE BUILDING.
SO TRUE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL MIXED USE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO REPUT BILL BUILDERS ACROSS, UM, THE STATE AND REALLY HAVE GOT A LOT OF EXCITING INTEREST FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE WALKABLE NEW URBANIST TYPE COMMUNITIES.
THIS IS, UH, INSPIRATIONAL DESIGN FROM WHAT ONE OF OUR BUILDERS IS LOOKING AT ON THE, UM, ON OFFSITE PROJECTS.
ANOTHER SENSE OF WHAT IT CAN BE AGAIN, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, UH, HAPPY WITH WHERE THE DESIGN HAS GONE, UH, OVER TIME AND TIME IS A KEY WORD.
IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR THIS PROJECT TO MATURE.
WE BEGAN TO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY IN EARNEST IN 2018.
WE GOT OUR FIRST APPROVALS FROM YOU ALL IN 2019.
IN 2021, WE WERE FINISHED AND READY TO GO TO MARKET, AND WE WERE ASKED BY THE CITY TO REALLY DOUBLE DOWN ON THIS BRAND NEW CONCEPT OF, OF VIBE TRAIL AND THINK ABOUT INCORPORATING TRAIL OR IN A DESIGN.
WE HAD ALWAYS HAD A WALKABLE TRAIL ORIENTED COMMUNITY, BUT WE WENT TO REDESIGN, AGAIN, REALLY INCORPORATED THE VIBE TRAIL, REALLY EMBRACED THAT IDEA.
WENT TO CARMEL AND, UH, ADDED SOME DENSITY, REALLY, LIKE WHERE THAT, UH, TOOK THE PROJECT.
UH, IT, IT, IT DID US A LITTLE BIT.
WE THINK IN THE END, THAT'S GONNA BE WORTH IT.
UH, WE WENT TO PARKS BOARD SEVERAL TIMES DURING THOSE PERIODS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE, THE VISION WE HAD WAS IN CONCERT WITH WHAT, UM, YOUR BOARDS HAD AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, GOT UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
AND, AS YOU WILL SAY, EXCITEMENT FOR THE PARKS BOARD.
SOMETHING WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, ALONG THE WAY.
WE HAD MORE THAN 60 MEETINGS WITH STAFF AS WE WORKED OUT DETAILS OF THIS AGREEMENT.
AND THEN WE'RE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, LAST YEAR.
UH, FIRST HOPING TO GET APPROVAL IN THE SUMMER AND FALL OF LAST YEAR.
GOT SOME GOOD ADVICE FROM THE DAIS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THE PROJECT.
CAME BACK IN NOVEMBER AND GOT UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR, UM, MOVING FORWARD ALONG, UH, THIS, THIS PATH.
AND LAST WEEK, AS YOU HEARD, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALONG THE WAY.
UH, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LOT OF STUDIES AND BRING THIS PROJECT FARTHER THAN A LOT OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT MIGHT BE AT THIS STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT.
FLOOD STUDIES THAT HELP IDENTIFY, UH, SAFEGUARDS NOT ONLY ON THIS SITE, BUT AN EXTENDED AREA IS DOWNSTREAM AND UPSTREAM, NOW USED AS THE STANDARD FOR THE CITY.
AGAIN, WE PAID FOR THOSE AND PAID FOR A THIRD PARTY REVIEW TO ENSURE THEIR, UH, ACCURACY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE'VE DONE THIS, UH, NATURAL AREAS ASSESSMENT THAT REALLY WASN'T DUE UNTIL THE END OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE WEREN'T TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PLANNING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMPONENT, AN ENVIRONMENTAL BASIS RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.
HOW DO YOU RESTORE THE CREEKS TO THEIR NATURAL SPLENDOR? HOW DO YOU CONTROL INVASIVE SPECIES? HOW DO YOU MANAGE WATER ACROSS THE SITE IN WAYS THAT DOESN'T JUST AGGREGATE IT AND CONCENTRATED AND CREATE EROSION PROBLEMS, BUT HOW DO YOU TAKE POLLUTANTS OUT OF IT IN NATURAL WAYS, THROUGH RAIN GARDENS AND THAT SORT OF THING AS WE GO? UM, AND THEN STUDIES ON EXTENSIVE, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY, TRANSPORTATION, UH, CONNECTIVITY OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM, WORKING ACTUALLY WITH YOUR TRAIL CONSULTANTS TO FLESH OUT WHERE A VIBE AND HOW IT CAN WORK ACROSS THE CITY, UH, AS WELL AS PID AND ECONOMIC ANALYSIS.
SPEAKING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEM, SO IT'S GOT L I D FEATURES, LOW IMPACT DESIGN THROUGHOUT.
SO IT REALLY IS, UM, I, I THINK HELPS SET A NEW STANDARD FOR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CITY UNUSUAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT RATHER THAN, AGAIN, CONGREGATING EVERYTHING IN UNDERGROUND STORM SEWER, WHEREVER POSSIBLE, WE RUN THIS THROUGH LIGHTED SYSTEMS THAT HELPS VISITORS UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION OF WATER AND THE CONNECTION OF THIS PLACE TO THE CREEKS.
ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER, WATER IS PART OF OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
WE NEED CHILDREN TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE NEED OUR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT BEYOND THAT, IT HELPS TAKE POLLUTANTS, UH, OUT OF THE STREAM AND ALLOWS US TO USE NATURAL IRRIGATION ON THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ALSO DONE WILDLIFE STUDIES THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED BY EITHER THE CITY OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO UNDERSTAND WILDLIFE THAT'S ON THE SITE AND HOW WE PROTECT THEM AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
AND NOW THE CITY CAN PROTECT THEM AND MANAGE THEM, UH, LONG TERM.
I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO SEE THAT WHOLE DOCUMENT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ALREADY.
AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, WE TOUCHED ON AT THE BEGINNING.
ALL OF THIS COMES WITH AN, UH,
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A GOOD ROI FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY THAT FAR OUTWEIGHS, UH, INVESTMENT JOBS, UH, LABOR INCOME, AND ANNUAL, UH, TAX DOLLARS.WE WERE AT YOUR P AND Z JUST RECENTLY.
UH, THEY REALLY DID THEIR, UH, DUE DILIGENCE, JUST AS YOUR STAFF HAS ASKED LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT 20 QUESTIONS ASKED BY P AND Z, A LONG CONVERSATION.
AND AT THE END OF THAT, I THINK WE'VE HANDED OUT SOME COMMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE, BUT I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE IT HERE, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
AND, UM, WE WERE REALLY PLEASED ALSO, PRAISE FROM THE P AND Z SAYING THAT THIS WAS A MODEL PROJECT THAT THEY HOPE WILL BE REPLICATED IN THE FUTURE IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
SO WE THINK THAT KIND OF SUCCESS COMES BECAUSE WE'VE WORKED HARD TO, TO GET BUY-IN FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, A HUNDRED PERCENT APPROVAL OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN INSIDE THE PIT, THE WORD AND DIA'S FAMILIES.
UM, WE'VE TIME AND TIME AGAIN RECALIBRATED OUR PLANS TO MEET A CHANGING KYLE.
UM, AND, UM, VOLUN TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY LAW OR CITY CODE.
WE WERE REALLY HAPPY THAT WHEN WE MET IN NOVEMBER 76, RESIDENCE OF KYLE SHOWED UP TO SIGN IN AND SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT YOU MAY REMEMBER, AND ZERO SIGNED IN.
I THINK THAT'S UNUSUAL FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND THE TAX ULTIMATELY WILL INCLUDE A TAX, UM, REINVESTMENT ZONE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, UM, OLD LIKE I AM, IT'S EASY TO BE CAUGHT UP IN THE NOSTALGIA OF THE PAST.
AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY TRUE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE NOOKS AND CRANNIES OF THE CITY'S PAST.
THE WAY I'VE COME TO, BECAUSE MY FAMILY GOES BACK HERE, UH, MANY GENERATIONS.
MY, UM, WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE TO NAME YOUR LIFETIME CITIZEN ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR THE CITY OF KYLE AFTER MY FATHER, FOR HIS WORK IN CIVIL RIGHTS AND ON THE CITY CHARTER AND OTHER, UH, DO GOODER PROJECTS IN CITY.
OVER THE YEARS, MY MOM VOLUNTEERED AS A CHAIR OF THE LIBRARY BOARD AND A NUMBER OF NONPROFITS AND HELPED SECURE THE CATHERINE ANN PORTER BUILDING FOR POSTER POSTERITY.
AND AS A LEGACY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, MY GRANDMOTHER HELPED FOUND THE FIRST LIBRARY IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
MY GRANDFATHER CAME BACK FROM FIGHTING IN WORLD WAR I, AND RIGHT WHERE I'M STANDING TODAY, FOUNDED, UH, A GENERAL STORE FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, RIGHT WHERE THE CITY FOUND WAY ONE OF MY HEROES.
AND YOU SEE THAT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ARE NAMED AFTER LEX AND LEE'S, MY GRANDFATHER AND GRANDMOTHER.
WE'VE BEEN A CLOSE FAMILY, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO BE A PART OF KYLE'S PAST.
I WE WANT TO BE AN ACTIVE PART OF KYLE'S FUTURE.
WE HAVE POURED EVERYTHING WE HAVE INTO THIS PROJECT.
LOVE, TREASURE, PASSION, CREATIVITY, TIME, SECOND MORTGAGES ON THE HOUSE, YOU NAME IT.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE, BUT WE STILL BELIEVE IN KYLE AND WE BELIEVE IN ITS FUTURE.
WE HOPE WE CAN BE PARTNERS IN THAT FUTURE TOGETHER.
UH, THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, SEEING NONE.
AGENDA ITEM, UH, NUMBER FOURTEEN'S PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR MOTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER, PARSLEY.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS TODAY, MR. BARTON, WHEN I GAVE YOU A CALL, UM, WELL, HOW MUCH OF A CHANGE WILL TAKE PLACE IF, UM, WORKPLACE WERE TO ABIDE BY THE NEW LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE? ARE THERE ANY LIKE, MAJOR CHANGES THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO WORK ON? I, I THINK THE ANSWER IS GENERALLY NO.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING GOES FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYTHING THAT THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE CODE ACTUALLY, OKAY.
UH, THE AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS GOING
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TO REQUIRE.SO I KNOW MR. BARTON SAID THAT HE HAS WORK ON OTHER THINGS BESIDES, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF MAYBE A IN RAINWATER SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WILL WORK OUT FOR HIS LITTLE MAN.
UM, HE IS DOING DIFFERENT THINGS FOR WATER CONSERVATION.
UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS LIKE, I COULD ENCOURAGE SOME OF THE USE OF TURF THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
JUST, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE IN SOME OF THE COMMON AREAS, UM, JUST FOR WATER CONSERVATION.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE CHANGES YOU DID IN THE PAST TO BRING THIS TO THE STANDARDS THAT YOU DID.
SO, UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS ANYTHING, LIKE IF HE WERE TO WANNA PUT SOME TURF SINCE WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THE ORDINANCE, THAT HE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY YES.
I'M, I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE, AT THE UPCOMING MEETING, THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA END UP APPROVING THAT.
SO, UM, IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THEM WITH PLANS THAT THEY SUBSEQUENTLY SUBMIT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
NOW IS IT FOR ME, COUNCIL MEMBER FLOKI? UM, THANK YOU.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THE 3.764 ACRES WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL REZONE.
AND I MAY HAVE TO BRING UP, UH, JEFF FOR THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THEY WEREN'T UNDER CONTRACT AT THAT TIME, BUT HE CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS.
YES, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WE ACTUALLY SPOKE TO THAT AT THOSE MEETINGS BOTH BEFORE P AND Z AND CITY AND SAID THAT WE ANTICIPATED OR HOPED TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE IN.
BUT AS WILL SAID, THOSE WEREN'T FULLY UNDER CONTROL AT THAT TIME.
WHILE THIS IS ALL FAMILY LAND, AND ACTUALLY THAT WAS FAMILY LAND THAT WE'RE BUYING BACK AT A CONSIDERABLY HIGHER PRICE.
UH, WE DIDN'T CONTROL IT AT THE TIME, SO WE SPOKE TO IT IN THOSE MEETINGS, SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOAL, BUT THAT WE COULDN'T GUARANTEE IT.
WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS GONNA BE FOR WHOEVER DRAFTED THE DA.
UH, UH, IN THE DA THE PROPERTY IS DEFINED AS APPROXIMATELY 26.9 ACRE TRACT, AND THEN IT SAYS, LEGALLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A.
DOES THIS APPRO APPROXIMATE ACREAGE INCLUDE THE, THE SEVEN 3.764 ACRES? I'LL LET, YES.
I'LL LET, UH, COUNSEL, I'LL LET THE PLANNING ANSWER.
AND I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES.
THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL BOUNDARIES ARE THE BOUNDARIES THAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE WITH THE ZONING IS APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES AND CHANGE.
AND THEN ADDING THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE WILL BRING IT UP TO THE 26, 27 APPROXIMATE ACRES.
JUST FOR FUTURE, UM, DAS, I REALLY AM NOT COMFORTABLE SEEING A NUMBER IN THERE THAT'S NOT YET BEEN VOTED ON.
AGAIN, FOR TRANSPARENCY REASONS, IT DOESN'T LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY MADE A DECISION.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON.
YOU COULD HAVE LEFT THAT AN EMPTY SPACE OR YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, DONE SOMETHING.
BUT IT MAKES ME REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE TO VOTE YES ON SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DECIDED.
CAUSE THE DA IS, GETS VOTED ON AFTER THIS.
I, I THINK REALLY THE, THE INTENT HERE IS TO BRING YOU ALL OF THE ITEMS AT ONE TIME SO YOU CAN SEE THEM ALL TOGETHER.
SO, UH, THEY'RE ALL BEING PRESENTED AT THE SAME TIME, INCLUDING THE DA AND THE, AND THE REZONING.
SO YOU'D SEE IT ALL TOGETHER, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU THE ENTIRE DEAL AND ALL OF THE ITEMS AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE CONTEMPLATED.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT IF IT WAS NOT APPROVED? IF IT WAS NOT APPROVED, APPROVED, THEN THERE WOULD BE A MOTION BY COUNSEL.
WE WOULD DIRECT Y'ALL TO PLEASE PROVIDE A MOTION THAT INCLUDED THEN A CHANGE OR AN TO THE DA, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE THAT CHANGE.
SO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANNA SEE.
BUT IN THE OPPOSITE WAY, WE CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE 3.7 ACRES.
SO I, FOR ME, IT JUST LOOKS MORE CLEAR AND A LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENT THAT WE HAVEN'T YET DECIDED ON THAT.
AND SO WE COULD ALWAYS AMEND IT TO ADD IT, BUT FOR ME, IT JUST MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DRAFTED WITH THIS PER THIS, THIS AMOUNT ALREADY IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THEN, WHEN WE'RE, BECAUSE DAS NORMALLY WHEN WE DRAFT DAS, WE ALWAYS INCLUDE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND WE INCLUDE THE PROPERTY.
IF THERE IS A ZONING AMENDMENT OR, OR ZONING THAT'S COMING WITH IT, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOT SEE INCLUSION OF THE ACREAGE IN THE DA BECAUSE MO, IN ANY OTHER TIME, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED.
AND IF WE WANNA INCLUDE THAT AMEND TO INCLUDE THE 3.764, WHATEVER IT IS, THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE THAT WOULD MAKE.
ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, AS A RESIDENT THAT'S SEEN THINGS THAT YOU CAN SPECULATE, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY HAVE DONE,
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I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT FOR THE, THAT WE DON'T PUT IN NUMBERS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED.CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS DA WAS DRAFTED, RIGHT.
AND IT'S WEEKS AGO, IT, IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED.
AGAIN, WE ARE ANY TERM WITHIN THE DA YOU, IT'S YOUR PURVIEW TO DIRECT STAFF AND LEGAL TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AS PART OF YOUR MOTION.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT THE OTHER WAY.
WE CAN ALWAYS INCLUDE OR ADD IT AFTER THE VOTE'S TAKEN.
COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES, GAIL, IF I MAY ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION QUESTION, UM, OR MAY MAYBE MORE CLARIFICATION FROM OUR SIDE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
UM, SO THE, BOTH THE ZONING REQUEST TO INCREASE THE BOUNDARIES TO JUST UNDER 27 ACRES MATCHES THE APPROXIMATE ACREAGE THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS CLARIFY THE, THAT OR NOT.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S WHY I ASKED IS THE 3.764 INCLUDED IN THE 29 THAT'S ALREADY WRITTEN INTO THE DA AND SHE SAID YES, IT'S, IT'S 20, UH, 27.
IT'S 27 ACRES AND THEY, THEY MATCH THE, THE ZONING AS WELL.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THAT YET.
IF YOU REMEMBER AT OUR LAST MEETING, THE REASON THAT WE DID NOT APPROVE THE ZONING AT THAT TIME, AND WE KICKED IT BACK AND MADE THEM COME BACK, WAS SO THAT WE COULD LINE UP THE ZONING AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TOGETHER SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT HAPPENING HAPPENING, WHICH IS WHY ALSO YOU, I BROUGHT UP THE AGENDA ITEMS 14 THROUGH 17 SIMULTANEOUSLY, SO THAT WE WOULDN'T RUN THE RISK OF VOTING IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT COMPELS A ZONING AND THEN NOT APPROVING THE ZONING.
SO IT'S NOT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, IT'S ABOUT SYNCHRONIZING THE DECISION SO THAT EVERYTHING EITHER PASSES AS A, AS A COMBINED PACKAGED UNIT OR IT DOESN'T PASS, WHICH IS THE UP DOWN VOTE THAT'S BEFORE US.
SO I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE LIKE, WHAT IF WE DIDN'T DO THE, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, THEN IS THE REST IS IF WE DON'T APPROVE 14 IS 15 AND 16, NO, NO, GOOD TO US IN 17, WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT ALL AT AS ONCE BECAUSE IT'S A PIERS AND A DEVEL, A ZONING, AND THEN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT, THAT CONTEMPLATES ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS.
SO IF YOU'RE APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN NOT APPROVING THE ZONING, THE TAS AND THE PID, THEN YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU JUST APPROVED, WHICH IS WHY YOU DON'T STRING THE VOTES OUT.
WHICH IS WHY THE DEVELOPERS HAD KIND OF A CONNIPTION FIT AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD STRINGING OUT THESE VOTES, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LITERALLY DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS OTHER THAN PUTTING THEM ALL ON THE SAME AGENDA, BRINGING THEM ALL UP TOGETHER, AND THEN TAKING A VOTE ON THE ENTIRE PACKAGE DEAL AT ONCE.
SO IF THE VOTE ON ITEMS 14 THROUGH 17 FAILS, UH, THEN IT ALL FAILS.
AND IF IT PASSES, THEN IT ALL PASSES.
UH, I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR A PIECE OF IT AND NOT THE OTHER PIECE, THEN UH, YOU'RE THEN THAT'S A, THAT'S A LEGAL LIABILITY BECAUSE YOU THE CONTRACT, IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD KNOW THEN BEFORE, I MEAN, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I LOOK AT THE ZONING AND THEN I LOOK AT THE TS AND I LOOK AT THE PI AND I LOOK TO SEE IF THEY ALL ARE JUSTIFIABLE.
SO I'M NOT, I I'M, I DON'T JUST VOTE ON ONE THING.
I DON'T LOOK AT THIS AND SAY I LIKE IT ALL BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THIS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE CHANGED.
SO I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM IS LIKE LOOKING IN IT.
IF YOU AGREE TO ALL OF IT, IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT IF YOU'RE LIKE ME AND YOU LOOK AT THINGS INDIVIDUALLY, I I, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING, OH YEAH, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT IT IN HERE FOR THE WHOLE FULL AMOUNT THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN VOTED ON YET.
BUT THEY, THE, THE REQUEST BEFORE US IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON FIRST.
OH, I THOUGHT THE, THE FIRST ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS 14, WHICH IS THE REZONE.
NO, I READ THEM ALL OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY'RE ALL BEFORE US SIMULTANEOUSLY.
14 CAME FIRST BECAUSE THEY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING 14, 15, 16, 17 AT, AT ONCE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PID, THE TS, THE ZONING AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAD, AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT, HAS THE LANGUAGE THAT, UH, COMPELS US TO CREATE THESE, TO GIVE THEM THE ZONING AND CREATE THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE PID, THEN, THEN OR THE TS THEN THIS IS THE PLACE TO ARGUE FOR IT.
BUT WHAT WE SHOULDN'T DO IS ACTUALLY HAVE THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE BE THAT WE APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN DON'T APPROVE THAT HAS THE PIT IN IT AND THEN DON'T.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ARGUE WHATEVER CASE YOU WANT TO ARGUE NOW, WHILE IT'S ALL BEFORE US.
WE WOULD LIKE FOR COUNSEL TO VOTE ON ACTION ITEM 14 SEPARATELY, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T PASS UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY, IT'S SUBJECT TO A TWO READING
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REQUIREMENT.WE'RE ALL THE OTHER ACTION ITEMS ARE EFFECTIVE UPON ADOPTION.
AND SO IF FOUR, HOW DOES VOTING ON THEM SEPARATELY CHANGE THE OUTCOME? IF IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS AND FOURTEEN'S NOT FINALLY PASSED, IT HAS TO COME BACK FOR SECOND READING.
14 WOULD HAVE TO RIGHT, BUT THE OTHERS WOULD NOT.
BUT IF WE VOTE ON IT SEPARATELY, IT'S, IT'S STILL GONNA BE THE SAME OUTCOME YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU VOTE ON 14 FIRST, AND IF IT DOESN'T PASS UNANIMOUSLY, THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WILL GET DELAYED UNTIL 14 SECOND READING.
SO AGAIN, WE CAN HONOR COUNSEL'S WISHES, EVERYTHING.
SO I, THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT IS, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST IS WE'VE JUST, UH, APPROVED 15 THROUGH 17 SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL ON 14.
CUZ THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO IF IT DOESN'T FINALLY PASS THE ZONING TO PRE, UH, TO PREVENT BRINGING IT BACK FOR A SECOND READING.
SO FOR THE PID CREATION RESOLUTION, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WE FILE THAT CREATION RESOLUTION WITH THE COUNTY WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION.
AND SO ADOPTING IT SUBJECT TO A FUTURE ACTION, CREATE SOME ISSUES WITH US COMPLYING WITH THAT STATUTORY REQUIREMENT.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S SEE HOW THE DISCUSSION PLAYS OUT.
UM, THANK YOU BARTON FAMILY FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND THANK YOU MS. BARTON FOR OUR CONVERSATION TODAY AS WELL.
UM, ALSO TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS MS. DARK AND EVERYBODY, I KNOW YOU'VE, UH, BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, YOU BROUGHT UP ADDISON AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE OTHER CITIES.
UH, WE WERE JUST RECENTLY THERE AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE COMING BACK FROM ONE OF THE EVENINGS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BRADSHAW WANTED TO SHOW ME A SPECIFIC UNIQUE DESIGN ON THE BUILDING.
SO THAT WAS AWESOME WITH THE COLORS OF THE BRICK, YOU KNOW, BEING RED AND THE ARCHWAYS AND SO FORTH.
SO I'M, UH, IT WAS PRETTY NEAT.
AND THEN ALSO THE, THE SCULPTURE ITSELF.
SO IT'S KIND OF PRETTY NEAT TO KIND OF JUST SEE THAT AND THEN MAYBE WANTING TO BRING SOME KIND OF DESIGN LIKE THAT TO THE CITY.
SO IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, MAYOR, IF WE'RE GONNA JUST GO WITH THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE FIRST READING.
SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS TOGETHER.
THE ZONING IS SOMETHING YOU SUPPORT.
I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES KELL.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
UH, I'LL WAIT TO FINALLY PASS IT.
NOW WE'LL GO ON TO 15 THROUGH 17.
WITH THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS. AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 15, MAYOR? YES.
VERONICA RIVER, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PID, WHICH IS 16.
WE HAD THAT OPEN, DIDN'T WE? YOU HAD IT FOR SONY? UH, I SEE NOW 16.
SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE ITEMS. 16.
UM, I, I, UH, SO AGENDA, I'M GONNA BRING UP AGENDA ITEM 16 SEPARATELY, UH, PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE CREATION OF THE WORKPLACE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UH, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? SEEING NONE.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED, SO THE ITEMS ARE 15 AND 17.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, 15 16.
UH, THE, UH, SECONDED BY MAYOR THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 15 AND 17.
THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CREATION OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER
I HAD A QUESTION FOR STEPHANIE AS WELL.
UM, JUST TO GET MORE, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THE 20 YEARS OF THE PID AND THE 30 YEARS.
UM, WHAT, WHAT FINANCIALLY, UH, WILL THAT DO, UM, FOR THE PID CREATION? IF, IF, IF WE BOND OUT 20, UH, 30 YEARS VERSUS 20, I MEAN, PRO PROVIDING FOR A 30 YEAR BOND AS OPPOSED TO A 20 YEAR BOND WOULD PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL BOND PROCEEDS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PROJECT.
AND SO WITH ADDITIONAL BOND PROCEEDS, YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED.
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A 20 YEAR MATURITY, YOU HAVE LESS BOND PROCEEDS AVAILABLE, AND THEN YOU GET LESS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE DISTRICT ITSELF.SO THAT WOULD BE LESS, UH, FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS FOR SOME OF THE STREET CA, STREET SCAPE AND, UM, KIND OF OPEN SPACE COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, THEN FOR MR. BARDEN, IS THE 30 YEAR RUNWAY ESSENTIAL, IS IT ALL NECESSARY, SIR, TO COMPLETE? IS REALLY GREAT PROJECT YOU HAVE HERE.
UH, IT, IT IS, WE, WE ORIGINALLY WERE HOPING TO HAVE, UM, A PIT THAT WAS FUNDED UPFRONT.
UM, AND THROUGH A LOT OF NEGOTIATION WITH YOUR STAFF AND THE STAFF REALLY WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE CITY'S INTERESTS, UH, WE'VE AGREED TO REIMBURSABLE PI, THAT CARRIES A LOT MORE EXPENSE.
SO A LOT OF THAT PIT MONEY IS GONNA BE USED TO PAY FOR SOME ISSUANCE COSTS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS REIMBURSABLE EXPENSE.
AND FOR SOME, UH, REALLY CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL INTEREST THAT'LL BE INVOLVED THAT WEEK CUZ WE'RE PAYING FOR IT FRONT.
UM, PUTTING THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE GROUND AND THEN COMING BACK TO THE CITY WHERE YOU CAN VERIFY THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN HAPPEN BEFORE WE GET ANY THE MONEY INSTEAD OF GETTING IT UP FRONT, WHICH IS THE WAY IT OFTEN HAPPENS WITH THE PID.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE ON THAT WASN'T OUR FIRST CHOICE.
UH, BUT YOU'VE GOT GOOD NEGOTIATORS REPRESENTING YOU AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT MM-HMM.
IS THE LONGER THE TERM BETTER FOR THE CITY? I, I GOT THAT QUESTION.
IS THE LONGER, LONGER THE LONGER BOND MATURITY BETTER FOR THE CITY? I THINK IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
COME UP TO TODAY WE DO SEE KIND OF MORE STANDARD 25, 30 YEAR MATURITIES WITH PIT BONDS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTED BY THE MARKET.
I THINK IT WORKS FOR THIS PROJECT BOTH FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD AND THEN AGAIN WITH SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY AMENITIES THAT THE PIT'S GONNA PROVIDE TO THE CITY.
UH, AND THEN THE LA OTHER QUESTION FOR WILL THE SETBACKS, OKAY.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE ZERO SETBACKS, UH, THAT WERE, I GUESS THE CHANGES REQUESTED.
SO, UM, THE BAY ZONING DISTRICT IS CBD TWO, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN AROUND THE SQUARE IN THIS BUILDING IS CBD TWO.
AND SO GIVEN THAT THIS HAS, UH, URBAN SMALL TOWN CENTER KIND OF FEEL MM-HMM.
UH, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW IT TO HAVE A, TO MAXIMIZE THOSE LOTS AND THE USAGE, JUST LIKE YOU SEE DOWNTOWN DOES MAKE SENSE.
SO, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF CORRECT.
THEY CAN BUILD UP TO IT, BUT WITHIN THAT, WITH THEIR STREET SCAPES MM-HMM.
UM, THE, THE OPEN SPACES THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE IN THE FRONT LAWN, YOU SEE IN A A NORMAL SUBURBAN SETTING, YOU DON'T NEED THOSE CUZ YOU HAVE THESE CENTRALIZED GATHERING SPACES THAT HAVE A MORE, UH, ROBUST ECONOMIC EFFECT AND RIGHT.
JUST A BETTER PLACE TO BE FOR FESTIVALS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS TO MR. BARDEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CONSERVATION, FOR THE PROACTIVENESS AND FOR THE, THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN EAST AND WEST THAT YOU WANNA BRING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES KE ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
UM, SO DID ANY OF THESE VARIANCES GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE IN THE, THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT? YEAH.
NO, BECAUSE THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PER OUR CODE AND ALSO PER CASE LAW WITH THE STATE, UM, IT ALLOWS TO HAVE THOSE VARIANCES BUILT IN TO THE DOCUMENT ITSELF.
WHEN IT ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBLE PLANNING, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE AND AS A COHESIVE PROJECT, THEY MAKE SENSE.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT MY AND MY CONCERN IS LIKE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS KIND OF GO AROUND P AND Z AND, AND GO AROUND, UM, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND I, I REALLY WOULD RATHER LET UTILIZE THEM.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE, SO WELL NORMALLY WOULD'VE VARIANCE BE NEEDED FOR A STORE FOUR STORY MIXED USE BUILDING.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CBD TWO ZONING DISTRICT, WE HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET BY RIGHT.
AND HERE IN DOWNTOWN, UH, WHENEVER IN THIS STARTS GETTING INTO THE BUILDING SIDE OF IT.
SO I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR, BUT THERE ARE SOME BASIC TENANTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, A TYPICAL FLOOR PLATE TO FLOOR PLATE IS 12 FEET WHEN YOU
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INCLUDE THE OPEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO STAND IN AND ALSO THE, THE RUNNING OF THE DUCT WORK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.SO WHEN YOU REALLY COMES DOWN TO IT, UM, FOUR STORIES IS REALLY PUSHING IT FROM AN EFFECT LIKE A, YOUR REALITY.
SO YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THREE STORIES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE OF A, WELL, FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THERE WAS LIKE A THREE STORY, BUT ARE YOU TELLING ME IT'S A HEIGHT, UM, LIMITATION AND NOT A STORY LIMITATION? IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF BOTH.
IT, A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON THE BUILDING CODE AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE TO, TO MAKE IT WORK FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, BUT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE, THE ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO THEN I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WILL THE COUNTY PARTICIPATE IN THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION, WHICH IS HALF THE ACREAGE OF THE PARCEL THAT'S NOT INCLUDED FOR THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE IN MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK? OKAY.
UH, ON PAGE NINE, SECTION 4.05 OWNER'S RIGHTS TO CONTINUE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS, IT SAYS THE CITY AGREES THAT IT WILL NOT DURING THE TERM OF THIS AGREEMENT IMPOSE OR ATTEMPT TO IMPOSE ANY MORATORIUM OR ON BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PROJECT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MISTAKEN OR NOT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER READING THIS LANGUAGE IN ANY OTHER DA AND IT KIND OF MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH STAFF MEMBER PLACES LANGUAGE IN THE AGREEMENT? THIS IS STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT WE PROVIDE WHEN DEVELOPERS ARE ASKING NOT TO, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS VESTING THAT THEY DO NOT, UH, THAT CITIES DO NOT PLACE A MORATORIUM ON CONSTRUCTION.
SO DO WE KNOW IF IT'S BEEN PLACED IN ANY OTHER AGREEMENT IS WHAT I'M ASKING? I I, I DO A PRETTY YES.
IT'S, IT IS BASIC STANDARD, UH, TERMS THAT WE DO.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE, IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY REALIZES WE HAVE LIKE A WATER SHORTAGE THAT'S FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES AND YOU COULD HAVE A MORATORIUM ON THAT.
SO WHAT DOES THIS ONE REFER TO? LET ME LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
UH, SECTION 4.0, 4.5 OWNER'S RIGHTS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE CITY IS NOT LIMITING ITSELF IN CASE OF, RIGHT.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS DEALING WITH BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT, SO IT DOESN'T DEAL WITH WATER.
SO IT IT A MORATORIUM ON ANY TYPE OF ISSUING BUILDING PERMITS.
YOU WOULD NOT BE PUTTING A MORATORIUM ON THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST FOR BUILDING PERMITS.
SECTION, UH, PAGE 10, SECTION 4.6.
THIS SECTION STATES THAT FITNESS COURT MAY BE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES.
HOWEVER, THE SECTION DOES NOT STATE WHETHER THAT MEANS WITHIN OR OUTSIDE OF THE LOCATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IN THE EVENT THE PARTIES MUTUALLY AGREE TO PLACE THE FITNESS COURT OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, DOES THIS MEAN THE DEVELOPER WOULD NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO PAY THE $105,000 CASH CONTRIBUTION REQUIRED FOR THE CITY? SO, AND I'M NOT FINDING THE SECTION, BUT LET ME JUST FROM, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE SECTION AS WELL.
UM, IT WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AS AN AMENDMENT.
SO THAT'S WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT BOTH PARTIES, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU.
SO YOU WOULD DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE GOING OUT OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT OR NOT, BUT YOU, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE DECISION THAT WOULD BE MADE OR RECOMMENDED.
SO PARTIES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERED PARTIES.
I GUESS IT'S ONLY DEFINED AS, UH, ALL OR ANY OF THE CITY AND THE CITY OWNERS.
SO DOES THAT, THAT WOULD INCLUDE COUNSEL.
THE PARTIES ARE DEFINED BY AT IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH? NO, IN UNDER DEFINITIONS.
OH, SHE'S IN THE DA QUESTION AGREEMENT.
UNDER D SHE WANTS TO IDENTIFY WHO PARTIES ARE YEAH.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE CAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING A REALLY LONG TIME FOR THIS EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR AT LEAST A YEAR.
UM, AND IF WE'RE GONNA NOT PUT IT IN THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST NOT PUT IT IN THERE NOW AND MAKE PLANS AS OPPOSED TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR AGAIN.
SO AGAIN, PARTIES IS DEFINED IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH AND IT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU AS AN AMENDMENT TO THIS AGREEMENT.
AND IT WOULD BE GREED BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPER.
SO, UH, OVERALL I REALLY LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BRING A LOT TO THE CITY.
I AM, HOWEVER, UM, REALLY CAUTIOUS TO CONTINUE TO USE PID TS
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AS A, AS A TERM OF FINANCING.I DON'T MIND THE PID BECAUSE, UH, IN ESSENCE IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF, BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE A TURS IN ORDER TO DECREASE THE PID PAYOUTS, UM, IS KIND OF BOTHERSOME TO ME.
SO IS THERE, I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT DID I GUESS THE TURS WAS THE TURS REALIZE THAT IT WAS, IT WAS GONNA BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FINANCE THIS? ALL RIGHT, WELL, HANG ON.
WE, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AT, AT EXTREME LENGTH, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO NECESS NECESSARILY GET NO, I'M JUST WONDERING IF A TS IS GONNA BE NECESSARY.
CAN WE HAVE A PID AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A TS THEN? YES.
IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS PROPOSED AS A, AS A PID TS.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T LIKE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE'RE USING IT A LOT AS A CITY AND IT'S KEEPING MONEY OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND AND TO THE REST OF THE AREAS.
UH, SO IN MY OPINION, WE COULD NOT DEVELOP THIS AREA AND THE CITY WOULD BE OKAY.
WE, WE WOULDN'T NEED RETAIL RIGHT THERE.
WHEREAS WE HAVE OTHER PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT DON'T HAVE THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUSTAIN IN ORDER TO HAVE BASIC RETAIL.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS.
DO I WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO COME? YES.
DO I WANT THE PIT? I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT THEN TO INCLUDE AERS, WHERE THE CITY AND, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAINTAIN 13 ACRES OF BLOOD, BLOOD FLOODPLAIN, I THINK THAT IS A KIND OF A, A BURDEN AS OPPOSED TO, UM, A BENEFIT.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE THE FLOOR BEFORE, BEFORE YOU DO IT.
CAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I WANNA SAY.
UM, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN, IN MY OPINION, UH, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE GONE THROUGH YEARS OF DEALING WITH DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT COME BEFORE WE SEE A LOT THAT LOOK REALLY GREAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN ONE THAT LOOKS NECESSARILY BETTER THAN YOURS, BUT DEFINITELY SOME JUST AS NICE.
UH, BUT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, LEGACY LANDOWNERS WHO, UH, PARTNER WITH DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES, UH, OR WHO PARTNER WITH DEVELOPERS, UH, WHO ARE A PART OF THAT LEGACY VISION, AND THEN CAN SUSTAIN THAT VISION OVER PERIODS OF TIME AND INVEST SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES IN BRINGING THAT VISION TO BEAR.
AND WAIT FOUR YEARS, OR ACTUALLY SIX, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, TO BRING THAT PROJECT ABOUT.
WHAT WE OFTEN SEE HAPPEN IN THE CITY OF KYLE IS LEGACY LANDOWNERS WANTING TO SELL THEIR LAND, MOVE OUT OF TOWN WHILE SPECULATORS COME IN FROM OUTSIDE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN MAKE THE MOST POSSIBLE MONEY.
IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU ARE NOT, THAT THE, IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE LEGACY, IT'S ABOUT YOUR ACTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANNA COMMEND YOU BECAUSE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO LEGACY PROJECTS, UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS AT THE TOP OF, TOP OF MY, MY LIST.
IT'S PROBABLY THE PROJECT THAT I'M MOST PROUD TO VOTE FOR.
DO, DO I THINK THAT IT WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT OF ANYTHING I'VE EVER VOTED FOR? NO, BUT IT'LL BE UP THERE FOR SURE.
BUT IN TERM, IN TERMS OF A VOTE THAT I'M PROUD TO MAKE FOR A FAMILY THAT HAS DEMONSTRATED THEIR ABSOLUTE COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY, UH, AND TO PUTTING TOGETHER A FIRST RATE PROJECT, I'M VERY PROUD TO VOTE FOR THIS.
UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
UH, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO FINALLY PASSING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL ZONING? SEEING NONE.
AGENDA ITEM 14 IS FINALLY PASSED.
YEAH, IT'S JUST A PUBLIC HEARING.
[24. Consider and take possible action on a request from Louis Wooderts and Marshaun Hardaway to waive City Code Section 41-142(f)(2) which requires connection to City wastewater service. ~ Leon Barba, P.E., City Engineer]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 UP BY STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO'S HERE.UH, SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA BRING A AGENDA.
ITEM 24 UP, CONSIDER AND TAKE, UH, POSSIBLE ACTION.
CAN WE? YOU DON'T WANNA TAKE FIVE? I WANNA KEEP ROLLING.
NEXT STEP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24.
CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FROM, UH, LUIS WOODARDS AND MARSHA HARDAWAY TO WAVE CITY CODE SECTION 41 DASH 1 42 F TWO, WHICH REQUIRES CONNECTION TO CITY SERVICES.
MR. BARBA, EVENING MAYOR COUNSEL, LEON, BARB, CITY ENGINEER, UH, MAYOR, COUNSEL.
ON OCCASION, WE GET REQUESTS FROM CITIZENS TO, UH, TIE INTO OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT AND VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME OWNERS, UH, THAT WANT TO, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO TIE INTO OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
THE PROBLEM IS THE COST TO DO THAT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
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THE, UM, OWNERS RIGHT NOW ARE PLANNING TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THEIR EXISTING MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND THEY'VE ALSO, UH, DISCOVERED THAT THEIR, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE FAILING.SO, UH, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OPTIONS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT CONNECTION.
BUT, UH, BASED ON THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT ONLY PURCHASING THE NEW HOMES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN NEW SEPTIC SYSTEMS. WE FEEL THE CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT WE WAIVE THAT PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT.
UH, THE, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT I'LL BE HA HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS REFERENCING THIS AGENDA ITEM, COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES SCALE, UM, I ASKED ALL MY QUESTIONS VIA EMAILS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 SECOND.
THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES KALE.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA, UH, THANK YOU, LEON, FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS ALSO THROUGH EMAIL.
I, I REMEMBER THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE TWO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE PUT ON CIPS TO TRY TO INCREASE THAT CAPACITY FOR WASTEWATER.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OPAL AND, AND THESE, WHERE THESE HOUSES ARE, UM, HOW DO WES DETERMINE LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE WANT THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXTEND THE WASTEWATER THAT FAR.
LIKE HOW DO WE DETERMINE, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION LIKE WHERE WERE DID, WHERE WE'RE EXTENDING THE WASTEWATER AND WHERE WE STOP EXTENDING THE WASTEWATER? JUST SO, SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, UM, AS WE, WE CAN START TO FIX THIS KIND OF SITUATION FOR, UM, HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE, MAYBE THEY GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE FURTHER, FURTHER AWAY.
SO DO COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, THE EXAMPLES THAT I USED WERE SOUTH SIDE WASTEWATER AND THE ELLIOT BRANCH, UH, WASTEWATER PROJECT.
THOSE WERE DEVELOPED BEFORE I STARTED HERE.
BUT THEY ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH AN ENGINEERING STUDY TO DECIDE WHAT WAS GONNA BE THE IMPACT OF THE, UH, NUMBER OF, UH, L LUE OR THE SERVICES THAT THEY WOULD NEED FOR THOSE PARTICULAR LINES.
AND SO THEY LOOKED AT THE WHOLE AREA.
THEY DID ACTUALLY TWO STUDIES ON THAT, UH, PARTICULAR, THOSE TWO PARTICULAR BASINS TO LOOK AND SEE, UH, HOW BIG DID NOT THE LINES NEED TO BE.
AND, UM, SO THEY PRODUCED, THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE SCOPE OF WORK TO THE MAX.
THEY COULD HAVE ADDED BLINDS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SOUTHWEST PART OF THE CITY, BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
THEY CHOSE TO PUT IN THE MAIN TRUNK LINES TO, AT LEAST, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP, AT LEAST THEY WOULD HAVE A WAY TO GET TO SOME WASTEWATER IN THAT.
ANY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SOUTH, THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE PROJECT, THERE'S A, UM, LIST STATION THAT'S ON POST ROAD.
THERE'S A PHASE TWO AND A PHASE THREE.
AS MANY AS OVER 8,000 L LUS CAN TIE INTO THAT LIST STATION IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM.
SO THE, THE PLANS BACK THERE, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE JUST TO PUT THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND AS, AS THESE AREAS DEVELOPED, THEY WILL RUN THOSE WASTEWATER LINES UP THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU RIGHT NOW.
SO IT, THE, THE CITY MAKES THAT DECISION.
THE COUNCIL VOTES ON THOSE DECISIONS MM-HMM.
AND IF COUNCIL WANTS US TO TAKE US, TAKE IT TO THE MAXIMUM LIMIT OF THE, THE PROJECT, THEN THAT CAN BE DONE.
BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MONEY AND TIME.
SO I FIGURED IT WAS LIKE A, LIKE A DENSITY EQUATION.
UM, WHERE CAN WE GET THE MOST HOOKUPS, UM, FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT OF, OF THE WORK.
UM, SO, AND MAYBE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH OF THE ENOUGH DENSITY THERE, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.
AND, AND AT LIST STATION PART, THAT PARTICULAR STATION LIST STATION I'M TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
SO THAT'S PRETTY DENSE DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE HOPING THAT SOMEDAY THEY WILL EVENTUALLY, UH, D UH, ELIMINATE THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS THEY'RE ON MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY WENT UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACK TO PUSH TO THE WEST SIDE.
TO HOPEFULLY THEY COULD TIE IN.
BUT AS YOU CAN, UH, SEE THE PARAMOUNT SUBDIVISION, UH, ONE 50 SUBDIVISION, YES.
THEY, THEY'RE ALL TYING INTO THAT LINE THAT WAS PLACED IN THERE, UH, WITH THE SOUTH SIDE PROJECT.
SO THEY'RE ALL HAVING TO RUN THEIR LINES TO TIE INTO IT.
AND WE HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE ARE TALKING TO, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LINES THEY DESIGN ARE ADEQUATE TO HANDLE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS FROM THE REST OF THE, OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT LOOKING AT.
SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE NEED TO REALLY BE FOCUSING ON WASTEWATER LINES, GET MORE OF THEM OUT THERE SO THAT, UM, MORE OF THESE HOMES CAN TIE IN AND, AND WE'RE NOT DEPENDING ON THE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN TO DO IT.
AND THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, THAT WAS THE INTENT WAS TO GET THAT, THOSE LINES OUT THERE SO THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AND, AND OF COURSE CREATE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THIS WAS AN ETJ AREA, WASN'T IT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE NOTES.
UH, NO, THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN, THEY GOT ANNEXED AT ONE TIME.
THEY WERE AN, THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND THEY WERE ANNEXED AND BACK THEN THEY JUST DIDN'T DO A LOT OF WASTEWATER SYSTEMS
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OUT IN THE COUNTY.UM, I KNOW THIS FAMILY, THE GREENS AND THE HARDAWAYS, JUST LIKE THE BARDENS, THEY'VE LIVED HERE, UH, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
THEY WERE A, THE GREAT FAMILY, THEIR FAMILY PROVIDED A BUSINESS TO OUR CITY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO AND PROVIDED A LOT OF SERVICES, DRAFT SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT'S TO NO, NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN THAT THE CITY CREWS THE, THE WAY IT IS.
AND SO, YES, A LOT OF THESE PIPES, ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILMAN ZUNIGA, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO THEM MM-HMM.
SO, UM, THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT YOU'RE MAKING, THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO START LOOKING AT CONNECTING TO SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
AND, AND ALSO ON THAT END, SO WITH THAT, UH, I FULLY SUPPORT, UH, APPROVING THIS SO THAT WAY WE COULD BE ABLE TO GET THEIR CONNECTIONS CORRECTED.
CUZ AGAIN, THESE ARE FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THE CONNECTIONS JUST LIKE, UH, EVERYONE ELSE ON THAT END.
SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE, MAYOR.
I THINK I, BUT I THINK THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO ALLOW THEM TO STAY ON SEPTIC.
I THOUGHT MOTIONS STILL ON THE TABLE.
MOTION'S ON THE TABLE IS IN FURTHER THE DISCUSSION.
[18. Consider a request to waive the committee ordinance to allow for an increase from seven to twelve committees members for the Community Gardens and the Trails Committees. ~ Mariana Espinoza, Director of Parks & Recreation]
NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18.CONSIDER A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE COMMITTEE ORDINANCES TO ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE FROM SEVEN TO 12 COMMITTEES, UH, MEMBERS, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY GARDENS AND THE TRAILS COMMITTEES, MS. ESPINOZA.
MAD ESPINOZA PARKED IN RECREATION DIRECTOR.
UH, AND ALSO WITH ME TODAY I HAVE OUR PARK BOARD CHAIR, AMANDA STARK PARK BOARD MEMBER LAURA LEE HARRIS, AND BOTH STAFF LIAISONS TO THE TRAILS COMMITTEE AND THE COMMUNITY GARDENS COMMITTEE.
UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE COMMITTEE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR AN INCREASE FROM SEVEN TO 12 MEMBERS FOR THE COMMUNITY GARDENS AND THE TRAILS COMMITTEE.
THE COURT ORDINANCE STATES THAT COUNCIL SHALL GENERALLY APPOINT NO MORE THAN SEVEN PERSONS AS REGULAR MEMBERS TO SERVE ON A COMMITTEE UNLESS THE COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT APPOINTMENT OF MORE REGULAR MEMBERS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMITTEE.
UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION FOR ESTABLISHING A TRAILS COMMITTEE AND A COMMUNITY GARDEN COMMITTEE ON MARCH 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE PARKS BOARD IN ORDER TO REACH THE GOAL OF INVOLVING COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN THESE PROJECTS, WHICH WAS A REQUEST BY CITIZENS AT OUR PARK BOARD MEETINGS.
AT THAT MEETING, OUR PARK BOARD CHAIR, AMANDA STARK, UM, PRESENTED THE COMMITTEE'S PURPOSE MEETING, SCHEDULE DUTIES AND RECOMMENDATION OF APPOINTMENT OF 12 COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO EACH COMMITTEE.
SINCE THEN, WE HAVE POSTED APPLICATIONS ONLINE AND CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS.
THE TRAILS COMMITTEE RECEIVED 17 APPLICATIONS.
WE REACHED OUT TO ALL 17, AND WE INTERVIEWED 13.
THE COMMUNITY GARDENS COMMITTEE RECEIVED 25 APPLICATIONS.
WE REACHED OUT TO ALL 25 AND INTERVIEWED 14.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER REQUEST TO APPOINT 12 MEMBERS TO EACH COMMITTEE.
AND IF APPROVED, THESE 24 COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD REPRESENT A TOTAL OF 14 DIFFERENT, UH, KYLE'S SUBDIVISIONS OUT OF OUR, UH, 46 SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A TEMPORARY COMMITTEE, UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO STAFF.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GLADLY TAKE THEM.
SO, I, I INITIALLY WAS WONDERING THE SAME, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MEMBERS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MEMBERS FOR THESE COMMITTEES, BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK MARIANA GAVE ME.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE PUBLIC AND BY THE RESIDENTS, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE BRINGING FORWARD.
SO I AM OKAY WITH DOING THAT WITH WAIVING THAT NUMBER.
UM, SO MS. STARK,
AND, UM, I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD OUR ADCOCK COMMITTEE FOR THE VETERANS DRIVE, THAT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE TOO AS WELL.
BUT I THINK MARIANA MAY HAVE CLEARED IT UP.
AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS AS WELL, UH, OF THE NUMEROUS SUBDIVISIONS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE IN OUR CITY NOW AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW.
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TO HAVE THAT MANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ALSO, UH, WITH YOUR PARKS BOARD, DO YOU THINK THEY'LL BE DIVIDED, DIVIDED UP INTO SPECIFIC REGIONS? UM, YES.UM, TWO, TWO SLOTS ALREADY ARE ONE FOR EACH COMMITTEE IS A PARK BOARD STAFF.
SO, UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? UH, CITY STAFF, I APOLOGIZE.
THERE'S ALSO CITY STAFF, SO THAT'S ALREADY TWO SPOTS TAKEN.
UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS CITY IS BETTER REPRESENTED, UM, THE MORE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, BUT OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE YET SO BIG THAT IT'S, IT'S, UM, WE CAN'T KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION, WE BELIEVE IS VITAL AND THAT MUCH INPUT.
UM, EVEN JUST ON OUR, OUR BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL, JUST HAVING THE DIFFERENT IDEAS AND ALL THE INPUT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
12 IS DEFINITELY, LIKE I SAID, AND I THINK THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT IS, UM, SINCE WE ALREADY DO HAVE ONE PARKS BOARD AND ONE CITY STAFF JUST TAKES AWAY TWO SPOTS ALREADY, SO.
AND THEN WHAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION? THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE, AS FAR AS, UM, COURSE OF THE, THE DIVISION OF THE, THE PARKS AS FAR AS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE AROUND, HAS IT BEEN MAYBE DISCUSSED ABOUT LIKE DIVIDING IT UP INTO DIFFERENT REGIONS, LET'S JUST SAY DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT SIX? NOT IN THOSE SENSE, BUT JUST CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE ASSIGNED EAST, EAST, UH, EAST OF THE SETON HOSPITAL AND SOME PEOPLE ARE, UH, AT PLUM CREEK, SO THAT WAY THEY CAN, OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE EVERYBODY ALL TOGETHER MAKING DECISIONS VERSUS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AREAS? DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY LIVE, THEY HAVE A BETTER MAYBE IDEA OF THE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON.
SO MAYBE MORE PEOPLE JOG ON PLUM CREEK AREA VERSUS A LOT OF PEOPLE DO A LOT OF CYCLING OVER THERE NEAR WATER LEAF, LIKE WHERE ZUNI IS AT.
AND TO ME, I THINK THAT IF YOU JUST ASSIGN DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENT PARTS ACCORDING TO WHERE THEY LIVE MM-HMM.
I DO NOT, I LIVE IN, UM, I LIVE IN STEEPLE CHASE AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T VISIT OVER MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IF I, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS ARE OVER THERE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE SWIMMING POOL, THAT'S WHERE THE POOL IS BECAUSE I GO OVER THERE WITH MY KIDS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION ON THE EAST SIDE BECAUSE I LIVE OR ON AT THE POOL BECAUSE I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT I GO OVER THERE MORE THAN SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE KIDS THAT LIVES IN THAT AREA.
SO I FEEL THAT HAVING, UM, AS MUCH, UH, INPUT FROM AS MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE, UH, VITAL YEAH.
TO, TO, UM, HAVING ALL THE INPUT.
WELL THAT'S GREAT THAT, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE THAT WAY IT MAKES EVERYBODY MORE FLEXIBLE YEAH.
AND ADAPTABLE IN THAT SENSE WHERE THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AND VENTURE OFF AND SO FORTH AND, AND, UM, I THINK IT KIND OF KEEPS EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY TOO.
IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF IT BEFORE AND HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO NOW.
WELL THANK YOU AGAIN AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THE PARKS BOARD.
YOU GUYS ARE DOING AN AMAZING JOB AND I KNOW YOU'RE VERY BUSY YOURSELF, AND SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ON THAT.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS HERE.
UH, I FEEL LIKE SEVEN IS A, IS A GOOD NUMBER JUST IN GENERAL FOR OUR COMMITTEES AND HAVING 12 PEOPLE, UH, AND HAVING THAT MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIVISION BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO TRAILS IN THE CITY AS TO WHAT KINDS OF TRAILS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
FEEL LIKE IT'S ONLY GONNA MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THERE TO BE CLARITY ON RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAN BE MADE BY THIS COMMITTEE.
SO FOR ME, UH, I SEE MAKING IT 12 IS, IS IS DECREASING ITS POTENTIAL EFFECTIVENESS.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE MY FEAR OF, OF HAVING 12 PEOPLE, UH, ON, ON THIS OR ANY COMMITTEE FOR THAT MATTER.
BUT SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS ONE, KNOWING THAT THERE IS NOT A COLLECTIVE VISION AMONG THE, THE, THE TRAILS, UM, ADVOCATES OUT THERE AS TO WHAT, UH, WHAT THEY WANT.
UM, SOME WANT CONCRETE, SOME WANT DIRT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT REALLY MAKES, UH, IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT, UH, TO COME UP WITH COHERENT, UH, UH, I IDEAS FOR US TO CONSIDER CUSTOMER BRECHO.
I QUESTION THE EFFICACY OF 12 PEOPLE, UH, IN A BODY IN GENERAL.
UM, AND I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO INCREASE IT GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE IS STAFF AND A PARK BOARD MEMBER ON THERE TO MAYBE NINE.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO
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GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE CONSIDERATION FOR 12 SECOND MOTION BY CUSTOMER BRADSHAW SECONDED BY CUSTOMER FLORES KALES.THIRD DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
UH, I I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE PARKS BOARD OR THE STAFF MEMBER AND THE UH, UH, MEMBER OF THE PARK STAFF OR THE THAT'S CORRECT.
MAYOR, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE 12TH.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
THE SEVEN MEMBERS, THE WAY THE THE BOARD'S COMMISSION'S POLICY IS WRITTEN IS DESIGNED FOR JUST AS EVERY OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE, ALL SEVEN MEMBERS SHOULD BE, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE, THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND SO WE SHOULDN'T BE FILLING THOSE SEATS WITH STAFF.
AND ANOTHER, THE OTHER REASON, OUR MAIN REASON FOR PURSUING WITH 12, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO PURSUE WITH 12 WAS IS CUZ WE'VE ALREADY NOTIFIED 24 RESIDENTS WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA GET APPOINTED TWICE ALREADY.
AND WE'VE HAD TO POSTPONE IT AND IT IS A TEMPORARY COMMITTEE.
SO HE'S LIKE, WELL, IF WE GO WITH 12 NOW, IT'S GREAT, WE GET ALL THIS INVOLVEMENT.
BUT THEN IF COUNSEL DECIDES THEY WANNA GO TO A PERMANENT COMMITTEE WHEN THIS ONE EXPIRES IN JUNE, THEN WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE DOING SEVEN.
BUT WHATEVER COUNCIL DESIRE IS, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT OUR POLICY IS CLEAR SO THAT IT, IT, IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER GONE OUT AS A 12 MEMBER COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT LIMITS TO SEVEN AND IT WASN'T PRESENTED TO US AS A 12 MEMBER BOARD WHEN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS MADE.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BUT WE DO NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE SEVEN MEMBER RULE.
AND WHILE MAYBE, UH, THIS ONE PARTICULAR ONE OF THESE TWO BOARDS MIGHT BE A GOOD, UM, SITUATION AND WORK OUT WELL, UH, IT DOES, IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROLIFERATE AND, AND CAUSE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES.
AND IN THE MARCH 7TH MEETING WHERE BOARD MEMBERS STARK DID PRESENT AND COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE THE COMMITTEES, SHE DID SAY SHE VERBALLY STATED 12.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS WE BE VOTING AGAINST OUR OWN ORDINANCE.
IF WE APPROVE 12, WE, WE CANNOT HAVE A 12 MEMBER MEMBER COMMITTEE BECAUSE OUR POLICY ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES BOARD LIMITS TO SEVEN.
AND SO, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY FOR A REASON.
AND I DON'T WANT CHANGE THE POLICY AND AS A RESULT, I DON'T WANT TO GRANT, UH, A WAIVER ON THIS.
UM, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
SO IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR SCALE? I FEEL REALLY BAD CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE WANNA BE ACTIVE, BUT CAN WE REITERATE THAT THEY CAN COME TO THE MEETINGS, PEOPLE CAN STILL COME TO MEETINGS AND BE HEARD AND BE A PART AND BE INVOLVED.
I DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE THAT.
IF ANYTHING, WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO COME? UM, SO SEEING THAT THERE WAS QUITE THE, UM, THE ATTRACTION TO THIS, I WONDER, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UM, 12, BUT WOULD IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO NINE? AND I KNOW WE'RE VOTING AGAINST OUR OWN, BUT THIS IS TEMPORARY, RIGHT? THIS IS ONLY UNTIL WHEN THIS COMMITTEE, UH, ONE RUNS TILL MARCH THE OTHER UNTIL JUNE OF 2020 FOURTH.
BUT I, I THINK THAT'S VERY LIKELY IT'S GONNA ROLL INTO PERMANENT AND THEN IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T STOP IT HERE, IT IS GOING TO TRICKLE OUT MOVING FORWARD.
WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THEY, THEY CHANGE THE SCOPE, SCOPE INCREASES, UH, AND THEY GET AWAY FROM US A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO KEEPING IT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE'VE CREATED, I THINK IS VALUABLE.
CAN, CAN I SAY, UM, THANK YOU
UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE SO MISSED, AMANDA.
UM, YOU ARE SUCH A GREAT PERSON AND I'M GLAD YOU TERMED OUT.
I'M GLAD YOU DIDN'T GET KICKED OFF OR SOMETHING.
YOU GUYS JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE BACK.
I WOULD LOVE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, YOU'VE BEEN SO ACTIVE AND YOUR PRESENCE IS APPRECIATED, SO THANK YOU.
UH, WHEN'S YOUR LAST DAY? IT'S NOT AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.
YOU GUYS ARE ALMOST DONE WITH ME.
NO, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO APPLIED AND EVERYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED.
UM, I KNOW PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S HARD TO SAY NO, IT'S HARD TO SAY NO TO 12 PEOPLE.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, IF EXACTLY JUST SEVEN PEOPLE COULD APPLY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WHAT WAS THE MOTION DENIED? MOTION TO DENY.
YOU CAN STRAW POLL, RANDOM SELECTION, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO AT THE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE NUMBER IT HAS TO BE.
[19. [Postponed 6/20/2023] Approve a contract with AGH20 HOLDINGS, LLC, Round Rock, TX in an amount not to exceed $307,777.00 to furnish and install new restroom foundations and utilities for restrooms at five (5) City parks as provided for in the proposal. ~ Mariana Espinoza, Director of Parks & Recreation]
[20. [Postponed 6/20/2023] Approve a contract with RESTROOM FACILITIES, LTD, Marble Falls, TX in an amount not to exceed $860,599.00 for the design and construction of restrooms at five (5) City parks and other associated materials as included in the proposal. ~ Mariana Espinoza, Director of Parks & Recreation]
ALL RIGHT.NEXT UP WE'RE GONNA BRING AGENDA ITEMS 19 AND 20 TOGETHER.
THESE WERE POSTPONED AT THE LAST MEETING.
APPROVE OF CONTRACT WITH A G TWO O, UH, H TWO O HOLDINGS, LLC, ROUND ROCK, TEXAS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $307,777 TO FURNISH AND INSTALL
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NEW RESTROOM FOUNDATIONS AND UTILITIES FOR RESTROOMS AT FIVE CITY PARKS.AND, UH, AGENDA ITEM 20, APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH RESTROOM FACILITIES.
L T D MARBLE FALLS, TEXAS IN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $860,599 FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF RESTROOMS AT FIVE CITY PARKS AND OTHER ASSOCIATED MATERIALS AS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSAL.
MS. ESPINOZA, ERIN COUNCIL MARIA ESPINOZA, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
STAFFORD DIRECTED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PARK RESTROOMS AND ADD A PORCH AND A WATER FOUNTAIN TO EVERY PARK RESTROOM FACILITY, WHICH WE DID.
AND TO EXPAND THE MARIELLE HARTSON PARK RESTROOM TO A FOUR STALL.
UH, MR. HECTOR GARCIA, UM, WITH THE RESTROOM FACILITIES LTD IS HERE TODAY.
AND OUR FOUNDATION, UM, COMPANY A G H 20 IS ALSO PRESENT ONLINE VIRTUALLY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THIS BACK, UM, AND KEEP IT WITH BELOW THE 25% INCREASE FROM THE BASE BID.
SO IT'S, UH, IT'S THE, IT'S THE FULL, IT'S EVERYTHING WE ASKED FOR IN THE LAST MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 19 AND 22ND.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES KALE.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION COUNCIL MEMBER ZENGA? YES.
UM, IT IS VERY HOT HERE IN TEXAS.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH A HEAT WAVE.
SO I WAS ASKED BY RESIDENTS, WHAT ABOUT THE COOLING OF THESE RESTROOMS? UH, ARE THERE, WHAT TYPE OF INSULATION DO YOU HAVE IN THERE? WE WHAT BASICALLY ARE THEY'RE CONCERNED? WILL THEY BECOME VERY HOT SHEDS? UM, YEAH.
AND WE, UM, HECTOR GARCIA WITH THE RESCUE, YOU SIR RESCUE FACILITIES, AND I THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THESE BUILDINGS ALL THROUGHOUT TEXAS, A LOT DOWN HERE IN THE HILL COUNTRY.
UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEM IN THE PICTURES HERE IN THE RENDERINGS.
THEY'VE GOT REALLY LARGE VENTS ON THE FRONT SIDES AND THE BACK SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A GAP UNDERNEATH THE DOOR.
IT, IT, UH, PROMOTES JUST A GENERAL FLOW OF AIR THROUGH THERE.
UM, AS HEAT RISES, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA PULL AIR THROUGH UNDER THE DOOR.
THE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY STAY SURPRISINGLY.
AS COOL AS YOU CAN GET WHEN IT'S DEGREES, THEY'RE NOT AIRED, THEY'RE NOT AIR CONDITIONED.
BUT, UM, WHEN YOU PUT AIR CONDITIONING INSIDE OF A RESTROOM, IT CAN CAUSE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH MOISTURE BUILDING UP AND WHATNOT.
CAUSE A LOT OF ISSUES ALSO WITH AIR CONDITIONING.
JUST OVERHEATING, OVERWORKING.
UM, BUT THE NATURAL VENTILATION WORKS REALLY WELL.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT BUILDINGS ALL THROUGHOUT AND WE HAVE NO COMPLAINTS THROUGHOUT.
UM, ALL OF CENTRAL TEXAS, ALL OF TEXAS ACTUALLY.
WHAT ARE THESE, 20 BY 20 OR WHAT ARE 10 BY TWELVES? UH, THEY'RE 20 BY ABOUT 11 MM-HMM.
AND THEY'VE GOT BASICALLY TWO ROOMS, TWO TOILETS, TWO LABS IN EACH ONE.
UM, THE LARGER BUILDING OVER AT MARY KYLE, WE'VE EXTENDED THAT ONE TO TWO TOILETS IN THE WOMEN'S SIDE WITH ONE LAB AND THEN A TOILET URINAL AND A LAB IN THE, UH, MEN'S SIDE.
AND I, ONE QUESTION FOR MARIANA.
MARIANA, THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING THESE BACK.
I THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL REALLY MUCH NICER AND I'M GLAD EVEN IF YOU HAD TO GO OVER BUDGET, I THINK I, I WOULD STILL PUSH FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT, UM, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE OLD ONES? THAT WHAT, WHAT ARE WE PLANNING? THE PLAN IS, IS TO USE, UH, USE THE OLD RESTROOMS AS STORAGE FOR THE PARKS, UM, MAINTENANCE AND THEN FOR THE RESTROOMS AT LAKE KYLE TO POSSIBLY BECOME OFFICE SPACE FOR STAFF AND OR MAINTENANCE OR STORAGE MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN THESE ARE WILL BE SET.
WHERE ARE THESE GONNA BE SET THEN? IF, IF THE OLD ONES ARE GOING TO REMAIN? SO FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE THE CURRENT RESTROOMS ALREADY ARE.
THE ONLY ONE THAT IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY IS THE LAKE KYLE.
IT'S GONNA BE BEHIND THE LOG CABIN, I MEAN CLOSER TO THE HORSESHOES.
[21.
[Postponed 6/20/2023] (First Reading) Approve an Ordinance adopting the land use assumptions, capital improvements plan, and establishing an updated water impact fee totaling $7,984 per living unit equivalent (LUE) and an updated wastewater impact fee totaling $6,171 per LUE, amending Ordinance No. 298-2, and establishing an effective date. ~ Leon Barba, P.E., City Engineer
- Public Hearing
The Public Hearing was left open at the 6/20/2023 City Council Meeting.
]AGENDA.THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED AT THE LAST MEETING.
FIRST READING PROVEN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PLAN AND ESTABLISHING UPDATED WATER IMPACT FEE TOTALLING 79 84 PER LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT AND UPDATED WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE TOTALLING 61 71 PER L U E.
UH, THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT WAS LEFT OPEN AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING.
UH, MR. LANGLEY, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS? I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS HERE, WE CAN THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING THIS BACK AT A FUTURE TIME.
WE DID TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, WHICH WILL, UH, POTENTIALLY CAUSE US TO CHANGE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.
SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO SHOULD COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION, MR. LANGLEY IS NO ACTION.
AND THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE
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PROCESS AGAIN.UH, SO I THINK WE CAN WAIT ON THE PRESENTATION UNLESS WE WANNA DISCUSS IT.
[23.
(Second Reading) An ordinance amending Chapter 53 (Zoning) of the City of Kyle, Texas for the purpose of rezoning approximately 0.52 acres from Agriculture 'A' to Retail Service District 'RS' for property located at 1121 E FM 150, in Hays County, Texas. (Hector Rodriguez - Zoning - Z-23-0114) ~ Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
Planning and Zoning Commission voted 4-1 to recommend approval of the request.
City Council voted 6-1 to approve on first reading on 6/20/2023.
]MM-HMM.MEETING CHAPTER 53, ZONING OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF REZONING.
APPROXIMATELY 0.52 ACRES FROM AG TO RETAIL SERVICES FOR PROPERTY.
LOCATED AT 1121 EAST FM ONE 50.
UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER FLORES.
COUNCIL, DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
GENTLEMEN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.