Jul 25, 2023 Planning and Zoning Meeting

NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE.

ITEM

[A.

Gregg Gardens - Final Plat (SUB-22-0269) 47.070 acres out of the John Pharass Survey, Abstract No. 361, establishing the Gregg Gardens Subdivision, located at the northwest corner of Veteran's Drive and Gregg Drive.

Staff Proposal to P&Z: Approve with the following conditions:

1. The Land Use Schedule chart on page 4 of 5 be updated with the correct lot counts.

2. That the discrepancy regarding easement type be corrected for Lot 14, Block E.
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ACTION ITEM FIVE A.

GREG GARDENS FINAL PLAT SUB DASH 22 DASH OH 2 69, 47 0.07 ACRES 210 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THREE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, 11 OPEN SPACES LOTS.

THREE DRAINAGE EASEMENT SLASH OPEN SPACE LOTS, THREE COMMERCIAL LOTS, ONE PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT, ONE ALLEY LOT AND ONE JOINT USE.

ACCESS EASEMENT LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF VETERANS DRIVE AND GREG DRIVE.

THE STAFF PROPOSAL IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF MEMO.

JASON, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM.

WE DO.

UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UH, LEMME START HERE.

SO THIS IS A, UH, A REPL, OR SORRY, A FINAL PLOT.

UM, WE WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO PUT THIS ONTO THE, UH, UM, SORRY, LET ME, UH, GET RID OF SOME OF MY SCREENS HERE.

SO I CAN SEE, UH, WE WERE ACTUALLY GONNA PUT THIS ON CONSENT, BUT WE HAD A COUPLE MODIFICATIONS OR CONDITIONS THAT WE WANTED TO GO OVER WITH YOU.

UH, FAIRLY MINOR IN NATURE.

UH, BUT THIS IS A, A FINAL PLAT OF THE GREG GARDEN SUBDIVISION.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES.

UH, IT IS, WAS REZONED, UH, TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

UM, THIS PUD ZONING ALLOWS MULTIPLE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO YOU'LL SEE R ONE A LOTS, R ONE THREE AND R ONE T AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS RETAIL SERVICES AND OPEN SPACE.

SO THIS IS GONNA ALLOW A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES AND, AND SOME COMMERCIAL USES IN THE PROJECT.

UM, ROUGHLY RIGHT NOW THERE'S RESIDENTIAL LOTS OF 209.

UM, ONE OF THE, UH, DOCUMENTS STATED TWO 10.

UM, BUT ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS IS ACTUALLY JUST A, A EASEMENT LOT ITSELF.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU MAY SEE SOME DISCREPANCIES IN THE NUMBERS.

THERE ARE THREE, UH, RETAIL SERVICES LOTS, AND THEN A TOTAL OF 14 DRAINAGE AND OPEN SPACE LOTS, UH, KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE, THE PROJECT.

UM, SO HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THESE SECTIONS.

UH, SO IF YOU LOOK, VETERANS DRIVE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.

UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, MISSILE TOE AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, UH, CHAPARRAL DRIVE.

UM, SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THIS IS A LARGE COMMERCIAL LOT, UH, ON EACH SIDE OF THE PROPOSED STREET TO THE NORTH, AND THEN SOME MORE RESIDENTIAL.

YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES IN HERE, UH, TO OFFER THOSE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.

AND THEN WITH ANOTHER COMMERCIAL SITE ALONG GREG DRIVE AND FM ONE 50, UM, THIS IS JUST A DETAILED SET OF THAT LOWER AREA SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THAT AREA.

UM, FOR WATER, THERE IS AN EXISTING WATER MAIN.

IT RUNS THROUGH THE EAST PORTION OF THE SITE ALONG REBEL DRIVE.

AND THEN SOUTH OF THE SITE ALONG GREG ROAD.

UH, THERE ARE INTERNAL WATER LINES THAT ARE GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL CONNECT TO OUR MAINS TO SERVE THE PROPERTY, UH, SEWERS AND EXISTING, UH, WASTEWATER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY ALONG GREG ROAD, UM, WHICH WAS PROPOSED TO CONNECT THE INTERNAL WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM.

SO ALL OF THOSE LINES WILL BE NEW AND INSTALLED.

AND THEN THE DOWNSTREAM SECTION OF THIS EXISTING LINE IS CURRENTLY SIX INCH IN DIAMETER THROUGH GEG PARK.

IT WILL BE REPLACED WITH AN EIGHT INCH LINE.

UH, THOSE

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WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WITH THE SUBDIVISION, UH, TRANSPORTATION.

SO YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S SEVERAL STREETS THAT ARE BEING DEDICATED, UH, WITH THEIR RIGHT OF WAYS TO SERVE THE SITE AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO ALL THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES IN TOTAL RIGHT OF WAY BEING DEDICATED MAJOR, UH, MAIN ACCESS IS GOING TO COME OFF OF ENTRANCES ON GREG AND FM ONE 50.

UM, BUT THERE ARE ALSO CONNECTIONS TO EXISTING HOME TILE, UH, KYLE SUBDIVISION TO THE WEST.

UH, THAT'S PRIMARILY FOR FIRE ACCESS AND INTERCONNECTIVITY.

UH, THE CURRENT, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE CITY IN TXDOT.

THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO CONSTRUCT A PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT AT THE FM ONE 50 ENTRANCE.

UH, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS INTERSECTION IS SKEWED, IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO GET THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUT CONSTRUCTED.

SO, UM, AS PART OF THAT, UH, THEY DO HAVE THEIR SECONDARY ACCESS THROUGH HOMETOWN KYLE.

SO THAT WILL BE A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TO MEET FIRE CODE AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR TWO ENTRANCES OFF THE PROPERTY.

SO NO ISSUES THERE.

UM, BUT WE DID WANT TO, UH, PUT TWO CONDITIONS ON THE PLAT, UH, FOR FINAL APPROVAL THAT YOU CAN ADD TO YOUR MOTION.

UH, ONE IS ON THE LAST PAGE, OR PAGE FOUR OF FIVE ON THE PROPOSED PLAT.

UM, YOU'LL SEE A LAND USE, UH, SCHEDULE CHART.

UM, AGAIN, SOME OF THE NUMBERS THERE ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF SOME DISCREPANCIES THAT YOU SEE IN THE, THE PLAT.

UM, ONE OF THOSE BEING THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT I MENTIONED.

THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A UTILITY EASEMENT, UM, BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE.

AND THEN ON PAGE TWO AND THREE, THERE'S ONE LOT TO THE WEST SIDE.

I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT IN THE DETAIL ON THE, ON THE PROJECTION.

UM, BUT ON ONE PAGE THEY HAVE IT LABELED OPEN SPACE AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON THE DETAILED SHEET THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

THEY ONLY HAVE IT LABELED AS OPEN SPACE.

SO WE JUST WANT THEM TO CLARIFY, UM, WHAT INDEED IS IT GONNA BE BOTH OR JUST ONE AND THEN UPDATE THAT TABLE.

SO, UH, PRETTY MINOR CHANGES, BUT WE WANTED Y'ALL TO BE AWARE AND MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL INCLUDED THOSE IN YOUR, UH, MOTION.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.

UH, MR. LUTZ, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW IT WORKS WITH THE P WITH THE NORMAL SUBDIVISION, UM, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO INSTALL A PARK OF THE UNIT THIS SIZE OR PROVIDE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE AND PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE.

WHAT HAS THE DEVELOPER DONE? I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, UH, SOME OF THEIR, THEIR OPEN SPACES ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED FOR, FOR PARKLAND.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE OPEN SPACE LOT.

UM, AND SO THERE THEY WILL BE HANDLING THOSE INTERNALLY AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SEVERAL THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION, SOME PARK AT PARKS, AND THEN SOME, SOME LARGER ONES.

SO IN THE CURRENT PLAT, THE FINAL PLAT, IT JUST MARKS OPEN SPACE? YES.

HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED THERE? UH, THEY GENERALLY HAVE A, UM, THEY'LL GO TO THE PARKS AND HAVE REVIEW THEIR PARK PLAN FOR ACCEPTANCE.

UM, I DO NOT HAVE THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THAT ONE.

WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE PUD? UM, MY REVIEW WAS PURELY ON THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

SO I I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

KAYLA, DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? UM, I CAN, WE CAN LOOK THAT UP FOR YOU AND BRING IT BACK NEXT TIME IF YOU HAVE SOME MAJOR CONCERNS.

BUT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE, THE PLATT ITSELF AT THIS POINT, BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVERALL APPROVAL OF THE PUT YEAH, THE P THE P'S BEEN APPROVED.

UM, SO THIS, THAT IS ALL SET IN MOTION.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THE NEXT STEP TO GET PLATT IN CONSTRUCTION.

YEAH, I, I JUST WONDERED HOW WE GET INVOLVED WITH WHAT THAT PARKLAND'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

WE'VE GOT, I MEAN, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE DEDICATED IN THIS, BUT I'M QUITE INTERESTED IN IF IT'S GONNA BE JUST AN OPEN GRASSY FIELD OR DRAINAGE DITCHES OR ELSE, YOU KNOW, SOME DECENT PARK SPACE FOR THE RESIDENCE.

I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

THIS, I'M NOT SURE WHEN THIS PUD WAS DONE, BUT THIS WAS DONE PRIOR.

IT MAY HAVE GONE DONE PRIOR TO Y'ALL COMING ON BOARD.

THAT'S WHY Y'ALL HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

BUT THIS, THIS IS A, AN EXISTING P YOU ALL I'M THE APPLICANT, YES.

DO YOU MIND IF I YEAH.

YES SIR.

IT'S NOT A VERY EXCITING ANSWER.

UM, SO THE, THE PARK IMPROVEMENT, EXCUSE ME, SIR, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

I'M SORRY.

CHRIS RAWS.

B G E.

UH, WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS, UH, THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS ONE ARE REALLY JUST TRAILS.

UM, IT'S A SMALL ENOUGH SITE THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY BIG AMENITIES THAT CAN BE PLACED.

UM, BUT IT WON'T BE DRAINAGE DITCHES EITHER.

SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY ON THIS SCREEN, KIND OF THE AREA WHERE YOU HAVE THE BIG OPEN SPACE.

THERE'S A POND THERE THAT ALL OF THAT SORT OF INTER KIND OF INTERWEAVING OPEN SPACE BETWEEN TOWN HOMES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, THAT'LL HAVE TRAILS.

AND THEN I ACTUALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE FIRST SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE THE PART DEVELOPMENT FEE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE PAID.

SO THERE'S A LAND DEDICATION, BUT AS FAR AS PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE PAID, AND SO THE CITY WOULD INSTALL ANY FACILITIES THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, DEEM APPROPRIATE.

I'M SORRY.

DIDN'T

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QUITE CATCH THAT.

SO YOU'RE GONNA PAYS PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT.

SO THERE'S A $750 PARK LAND FEE AND A $750 DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT FEE.

CORRECT.

THE LAND FEE WE'RE DEDICATING IN LIEU, I NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPMENT FEE IS JUST GONNA BE PAID SO THAT ANY IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND THE BASIC TRAILS THAT THE MONEY IS IN PLACE AND THE CITY ULTIMATELY DETERMINES WHAT ACTUALLY GETS PUT THERE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY.

YEP.

THANKS FOR CLARIFYING.

MM-HMM.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL PUTT APPLICATION AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

THE, THE, THE PARK STRUCTURE AND PARKLAND.

SO THE, UM, PARKLAND FEE AND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION IS PART OF OUR NORMAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WE USUALLY DON'T WAIVE THOSE FEES.

UM, AND THEY'RE NOT DEDICATING ANY PUBLIC PARK LAND IN THIS REQUEST.

SO THEY'RE PAYING THE FEES, WHICH WILL GO TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY PARKS, FUTURE LAND ACQUISITION FOR PARKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT PART.

THE PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS I HAVEN'T SEEN A, A PLAN FOR THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE, THE GENTLEMAN STATED.

SO THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND, AND SO FORTH.

IS THAT A, IS THAT AN ACTUAL PLAN OR IT'S JUST A NOTIONAL, UH, UH, INTENT OR THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, SO BECAUSE THE FEES ARE GETTING PAID, THERE IS NO ACTUAL PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT SWAP.

UH, THE TRAILS THEMSELVES ARE MORE NOTIONAL, BUT AGAIN, THAT'LL ULTIMATELY BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY.

WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE FOR PUDS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, ANY KIND OF OPEN SPACE AS PUT IN THERE AS, AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO SEE, SAY WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING IN THERE.

WE HAVE A SAY AND A PUT, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR SAY SO.

WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS WE'VE DO PUDS IN THE PAST.

WE'RE TRYING TO STANDARDIZE THOSE.

UM, GENERALLY THOSE, THOSE PUDS, IF THERE ARE DEDICATING PARKLAND THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE PARKS AND RECS BOARD.

UM, THEY REVIEW THE PARKLAND DEDICATION IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING AMENITIES THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THAT KIND OF FEEDS IN THERE.

SO PARKS DOES REVIEW THOSE AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAMMING.

UH, ANY PLATT THAT COMES THROUGH, THEY SIGN OFF AND MAKE THEIR COMMENTS.

UM, BUT IF IT'S DEFINITELY A PUD THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT OUR FUTURE APPLICANTS ARE INCLUDING THAT AND DISCUSS THAT SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN COVER THAT HERE AT P AND C.

COMMISSIONER STEGEL, YOU CAN HAVE THE FLOOR.

UM, REGARDING THE, UH, NOAH'S, UH, ALLEY, NOAH STREET ALLEY, UM, IT'S 20 FEET WIDE.

WHERE IS THE OUTLET FOR THAT? UM, THAT COMES AT, CONNECTS ACTUALLY TO NOAH'S STREET AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IF YOU FOLLOW IT, OR TO THE SOUTH ON GREG DRIVE.

SO IT DOES HAVE TWO CONNECTIONS THERE AT THAT POINT.

IS IT PLANNED THAT TRASH COLLECTION BE DONE FROM THE ALLEY? UM, I'M NOT AWARE ON THE TRASH COLLECTION, BUT GENERALLY THOSE COME TO THE FRONT.

SO THESE, THESE SITES ARE UNIQUE THAT, THAT THESE ARE THESE SMALLER LOTS.

THEIR ONLY FRONTAGE IS FROM THAT ALLEY.

UM, THAT'S WHY IT'S ACTUALLY NAMED.

UM, SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE HISTORY OR HOW THAT CAME ABOUT ON THE DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, THEY WOULD ROLL THEIR DUMPSTER.

SO AT THIS POINT IT IS CALLED AN ALLEY, BUT IT IS ALSO THEIR FUNCTIONS AS THEIR STREET FRONTAGE ON THIS PLATT ON 20 FEET.

YES.

I, SORRY.

UH, THIS IS NOT LIKE THE PERFECT ANSWER.

AND WHEN I TALKED TO LEON BARBARA ABOUT IT, UH, HIS BELIEF OR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY WOULD COLLECT GARBAGE FROM THAT ALLEYWAY.

AND WE ACTUALLY, UH, SOME OF THE RADIO I HE REQUESTED GET EXPAND A LITTLE BIT BASED ON THOSE GARBAGE TRUCKS.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK HE'S GOTTEN ON, UH, CORNERS, THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE TURNING, SO RIGHT.

BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW GARBAGE TRUCKS AND HOW THEY OPERATE, HE'D HAVE TO DO A TURNAROUND AT SOME POINT TO GET BOTH SIDES TO GET, TO GET BOTH SIDES.

HE WOULD'VE TO DO A TURNAROUND AT THAT CIRCLE OR, RIGHT.

HE'D HAVE TO COME AND TURN AROUND IN THE CUL-DE-SAC THERE.

UM, AND TXDOT DECIDED TO BASICALLY NIX THAT.

AND THEN, UH, ALSO REGARDING FIRE AND EMERGENCY, THERE'S THE, UH, OTHER, UH, ROUTE OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE THROUGH BEAR GRASS AND GREG.

UH, SO THERE'S THE ROUTE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE EAST SIDE.

AM I ALLOWED, CAN I, THERE WE GO.

SO, UM, THREE, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE NOT INCLUDING THE ALLEY UP ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE.

UM, THE ROUTE THAT GOES THROUGH THOSE TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS, THAT'S THE PRIMARY ACCESS THAT'S, UM, IN THIS, I, I THINK THE BACKUP, MAYBE THERE'S JUST SOME OLD INFORMATION.

THERE'S NO LONGER A ROUNDABOUT PROPOSED BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS IN SILVERADO, UH, TO THE NORTHEAST OF THIS SITE DO NOT WANT ONE VERY ADAMANTLY.

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SO WHAT THE DEVELOPER INSTEAD IS DOING IS, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL TURN LANES ALONG FM ONE 50 AND THEN EXTENDING THOSE TURN LANES THROUGH THE SILVERADO INTERSECTION, WHICH IS JUST OFF PAGE NORTHEAST HERE.

UM, BY EXTENDING THOSE TURN LANES THAT ALLOWS TXDOT TO INSTALL A SIGNAL AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND SO THAT KIND OF HANDLES THIS WEIRD OFFSET INTERSECTION.

UM, SO ANYWAY, PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS THIS ONE YOU SEE ON THE NORTHEAST.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE SOUTHEAST ACCESSING ONTO GREG DRIVE ACROSS FROM THE PARK.

UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE, THE ALLEY, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST FOR THOSE TOWN HOMES.

AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE ON BEAR GRASS THERE.

SO THE THOUGHT I HAD WAS GREG DRIVE OPPOSITE THE PARK, UM, DURING ATHLETIC EVENTS.

THAT STREET IS JAMMED WITH PARKING.

IT IS A SOMETIMES NIGHTMARE DURING, UH, AFTER SCHOOL AND BEFORE SCHOOL.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFICULT GO AT THAT PARTICULAR, UM, LOCATION, FRANKLY.

UM, I JUST HOPE EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'LL LIKELY CREATE.

UM, AND, UM, ONE FURTHER QUESTION IS, UH, REGARDING THOSE 22 FOOT LOTS, UM, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THOSE SMALL LOTS? UH, THOSE ARE ATTACHED TOWN HOMES.

SO FOR THIS ITEM, WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLATT WITH CONDITIONS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION? YES.

APPROVE THE, UH, PLAN AS, UH, SHOWN WITH THE CONDITIONS WITH THE CONDITION.

SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR DELORE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEGEL.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON MOTION? OKAY.

UM, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THAT, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE A WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF MEMO, SPECIFICALLY UPDATING THE LAND USE CHART ON PAGE FOUR AND FIVE WITH THE CORRECT LOT AMOUNTS AND CORRECTING THE DISCREPANCY REGARDING EASEMENT TYPES FOR LOT 14 BLOCK E.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ZERO.

B, CONSIDER A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 7,050 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SHELL BUILDING, LOCATED AT 2 0 0 9 0 MARKETPLACE AVENUE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, C U P DASH 23 DASH OH EIGHT THREE.

NEXT UP, ITEM FIVE

[B.

Consider a request to construct an approximately 7,050 square feet retail shell building located at 20090 Marketplace Avenue. (Conditional Use Permit - CUP-23-0083)

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KAYLA, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? YES.

KAYLA SHARP, CITY PLANNER FOR THE RECORD.

SO THIS IS LOCATED AT, UH, 2 0 0 9 0 MARKETPLACE AVENUE.

UM, IT IS JUST, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SOUTH OF, UM, THE CORNER OF 1626 AND MARKETPLACE.

UM, THIS WILL BE A RETAIL SHELL BUILDING OF ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE STAFF MEMO, THIS IS NOT IN THE I 35 OVERLAY, BUT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THIS OVERALL PROJECT, UM, THAT REQUIRES THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR YOUR REVIEW.

SO IF THIS WILL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, ONE SECOND MAYBE.

UM, SO HERE IT'S LAGGING.

IT WILL FACE? MAYBE GOING TO THE MAP WOULD BE A BETTER IDEA.

SO THERE'S SOME, UH, RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE, VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT YOU ALREADY SEE.

UM, ON SITE, THERE'S TWO THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT.

AND TWO MORE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THIS WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.

UH, BUILDING MATERIALS ARE PRIMARILY, UM, STUCCO, UH, BRICK VENEER, AND THEN A FIBER CEMENT PRODUCT THAT KIND OF HAS A WOOD LOOK TO IT.

UM, AND PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THESE ARE ALL PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE BUILDING MATERIALS.

THERE'S REALLY NO, UM, REGULATIONS FOR THIS PORTION OF, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT, WHAT MATERIALS HAVE TO BE USED.

SO THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

I'LL ALSO GO TO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS ALSO IN COMPLIANCE.

AND THEN LANDSCAPE SHEET.

THIS IS STILL IN REVIEW, UM, BUT IT WILL BE APPROVED BY, UM, STAFF.

SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF FOR YOUR REFERENCE TO KIND OF GET AN OVERALL PICTURE FOR THE SITE.

THANK YOU, MS. SHARP.

UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE, UH, ONE QUESTION.

WHAT, UM, DOES THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING FACE,

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THERE WILL BE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN REALLY SEE MY CURSOR ON THERE, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER, UH, RETAIL BUILDING OF SOME SORT BEHIND THIS.

AND THEN THIS, UM, OVER HERE THAT'S KIND OF UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THERE'S KIND OF A LITTLE GREEN SPACE THAT'LL BE THERE.

THE CONCERN AS HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BEFORE ON THE DICE, UM, IS WHAT THE BACK OF A BUILDING FACES.

MM-HMM.

IS THE OBVIOUS QUESTION.

UM, MEANING WHAT DO THE CITIZENS OF KYLE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY'RE SITTING IN ANOTHER RESTAURANT OR DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FAIRLY, UH, UTILITARIAN SPACE.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ELABORATELY UH, DECORATED, BUT, UH, OTHER THAN BRINGING THAT BRICK VENEER AROUND, I DON'T SEE ANY ACCENTS THAT ARE, UM, VERY ATTRACTIVE OR DISTRACTING.

UM, SO THAT'S A CONCERN I WOULD HAVE ABOUT MANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FAILURE TO, TO BRING AROUND ACCENTS.

OTHER THAN THAT VENEER, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE REAL, UH, AUTHORITY ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIZED THE A THOUSAND FOOT.

BUT, UH, IN ANY CASE, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD STATE THAT, UH, CONCERN.

SIR.

OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, SO ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, I NOTICED THAT THEY HAVE SOME LARGE SHADE TREES.

I LOVE LARGE SHADE TREES.

UM, THE MATURE SIZES OF THOSE TREES ARE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL AND THEY'RE QUITE CLOSE TO THE BUILDING AND TO EACH OTHER.

UM, HAS THE CITY STAFF GOT ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT DURING THE REVIEW, OR ARE THEY PLANNING TO APPROVE IT AS IS? SO THIS IS STILL IN REVIEW.

UM, I THINK WE HAD COMMENTS BACK, UM, EARLY JULY, SO WE'RE WAITING ON THE NEXT, UM, ROUND FOR SUBMITTAL.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL LOOK INTO FOR SURE.

UM, THESE, UH, TREES THAT ARE PLANNED ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE REST ON, UH, THE OTHER, I GUESS ALMOST FIVE SITES, UM, THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR ALREADY BUILT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND BASED ON SOME FAIRLY PRELIMINARY RESEARCH, THEY SHOULD BE FAIRLY NON-INVASIVE SPECIES THAT, UM, AND THEY'RE PLANTED FAR ENOUGH APART THAT IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE WITH THEM BEING TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, TOO CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE, UM, APPROVED BY STAFF ONCE IT'S FULLY IN COMPLIANCE.

AND JASON MIGHT HAVE MORE TO ADD ON THAT TO ADD.

UH, IF, IF I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT.

UM, BUT GENERALLY WHEN YOU'RE PLANTING NEW, THE TREES ARE VERY ADAPTIVE.

UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING THIS BUILDING OVER SOME EXISTING TREES.

UH, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE CEDAR ELMS IS THEY HAVE A VERY SHALLOW ROOT SYSTEM.

THEY'LL ACTUALLY GO DOWN VERSUS OUT.

UM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLANT THOSE WITHIN SIX FEET OF EACH OTHER, UM, OR TO A FOUNDATION, YOU GENERALLY WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. OBVIOUSLY THE, THEIR BIGGEST ISSUE WILL BE AS IT IS GROWING AND THAT CANOPY STARTS SPREADING OUT.

THAT BUILDING, I BELIEVE IS ALMOST 20 FEET TALL.

UM, SO THERE MAY BE SOME CONFLICT WITH THE BUILDING THERE, UM, AS IT MATURES.

UH, BUT GENERALLY WHEN YOU PLANT THESE TREES, UH, AT A YOUNG ENOUGH SPECIES, THEY, THEY GENERALLY WILL LEARN TO GROW TOGETHER VERSUS KIND OF CROWDING EACH OTHER OUT.

UM, IF YOU PLANT TWO LARGER TREES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THOSE ROOTS CAN'T SUFFOCATE EACH OTHER.

THEY'LL FIGHT AND KILL OFF.

UH, BUT WHEN YOU GET THEM YOUNG, THE WAY THEY'RE DOING HERE, IT, IT GENERALLY IS NOT AN ISSUE.

UM, I THINK THE RED BUD MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN.

WE'LL HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR PLACEMENT.

'CAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE VERY EVASIVE ROOT SYSTEMS, SO THEY DO GO OUT, THEY DON'T GO DOWN.

SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT.

UM, BUT GENERALLY IF THEY'RE GONNA PLACE THOSE, UH, AT SOME OF THE LOCATIONS, IF IT'S NOT NEAR THE BUILDING, UM, IT'LL BE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE FOR THEM IF IT MESSES WITH THEIR PAVEMENT OR PARKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE DON'T SEE ANY, ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CURRENTLY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOPE.

SO WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND.

PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS IS THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL ALL BE GOOD, BUT I THINK THE RULE OF THUMB THAT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD WAS THE, THE ROOT SYSTEM NEEDS ABOUT AS MUCH WIDTH AS THE, THE CANOPY OF THE TREE WILL HAVE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MATA AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR DELORE.

THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE B.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION BEFORE WE VOTE? YES.

COMMISSIONER STEGEL.

OH, NEVERMIND.

HIS FINGER WAS JUST GOING FOR THE VOTE.

UM, NOPE.

MY ONLY QUALM IS, IS THOSE TREES.

I KNOW THAT THE PRELIMINARY, UM,

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AND SOME OF THESE TREES HAVE, UM, CANOPIES THAT COULD BE 30 TO A HUNDRED FEET WIDE AND, UM, THE ROOT SYSTEM MIGHT NOT AFFECT PAVEMENT AND STUFF, BUT THEY MIGHT AFFECT OTHER TREES OR KIND OF STUNT THE GROWTH OF THE TREES SO THAT THEY CAN'T REALLY THRIVE AND BE MATURE.

AND, UM, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE 14 TREES AS REQUIRED, WHICH IS GREAT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SEE HALF THE TREES ON THIS PROPERTY OR THESE SERIES OF PROPERTIES COME DOWN IN THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T THRIVE OR TO SEE A BUNCH OF SAD SCRAGGLY TREES WHO HAVEN'T BEEN CUT DOWN.

SO, UM, I, I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS A GOOD LOOK OVER.

BUT, UM, THAT'S MY ONLY, ONLY QUALM, SO.

GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEM SIX, A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY ITEMS TO BE REQUESTED? YES.

WELL, SO NOW THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE B.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ZERO.

ITEM NUMBER SIX,

[A. Discussion only regarding Planning and Zoning Commission request for future agenda items.
]

UH, CHAIRPERSON, I HAVE ONE PARTICULAR ITEM.

STAFF.

WE HAD PREVIOUSLY MADE A LIST OF ITEMS TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE AGENDA, THE FIRST ONE OF WHICH WAS, UH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

AND, UM, UH, YOU HEARD MY CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING IN THOSE 22 FOOT LOTS, AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE HEARD WHAT I HEARD.

HOWEVER, OUR NEIGHBORING LUMBERING MUNICIPALITY TO THE NORTH OF US IS, UH, PROPOSING THREE, UH, RESIDENCES PER 2,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

AND, UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT A MINIMUM WOULD BE, UM, SEEING AS, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPACT THAT MODEL WILL HAVE ON ANYBODY ELSE'S THINKING, BUT IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT I DON'T FIND VERY AGREEABLE.

UM, PROBABLY AVERAGE HOUSE SIZE RIGHT NOW IN KYLE'S WHAT, MAYBE 1800 SQUARE FEET.

AND TO THINK THAT YOU COULD PUT TWO HOUSES IN THAT SPACE OF ANY SIZE FOR ANY PURPOSE, TO ME IS JUST, UH, IT'S UNIMAGINABLE AND OUTRAGEOUS.

BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA IS THE POINT AND SEE IF WE CAN, UH, HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND, AND, UH, BREAK THAT ONE OUT AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, COME TO SOME, UH, KIND OF CONCLUSION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, UH, COUNCIL.

UM, AND I GUESS FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, ARE YOU WANTING STAFF TO, TO COME BACK WITH FULL BLOWN KIND OF RESEARCH AND SAYS, HEY, IF WE DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE EFFECTS ON THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THESE EFFECTS ON OUR UTILITIES, THESE EFFECTS ON, ON, UH, ZONING DEN.

I MEAN, DO YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT BIG PICTURE, LIKE WE ARE GONNA GO THROUGH A CODE UPDATE? BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE US SOME TIME.

UM, I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS AT A PRIOR MEETING AND WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WE WOULD FOCUS ON THE M X D, UH, ZONING DISTRICT FIRST.

UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE, UH, A DEVELOPER IN TOWN THAT MAY WORK WITH US TO PROVIDE YOU GUYS SOME EXAMPLES, UM, JUST BECAUSE, BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR CASELOAD THAT, THAT'S KIND OF HARD FOR US TO DO AND, AND DON DEDICATE A LOT OF TIME TO THAT.

SO, UM, IF IT IS JUST KIND OF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS, THEN WE CAN PROBABLY PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FAIRLY QUICKLY.

UM, BUT IF, IF YOU DO WANT TO KNOW MORE NUTS, BOLTS IFS AND WHATS THEN, THEN WE WILL NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BRING THAT BACK.

EXACTLY.

WE DON'T WANNA ADD TO YOUR ALREADY HOUSING WORKLOAD FOR SURE, OR YOU CAN HAVE A , BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THE NUTS AND BOLTS ARE.

YOU SEE, SO THAT WE, WE REALLY GET A REALM OF, OF WHAT, WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE HERE, WHAT THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE.

WE CAN AT LEAST, UH, COME FORWARD WITH A LIST OF THINGS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED.

UM, MOST NOTABLY IS OUR WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

UM, OUR SYSTEM WAS NOT MODELED FOR THAT TYPE OF DENSITY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

UM, SO IF WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT MOVING TO THOSE MINIMUM LOT SIZES WHERE ULTIMATELY WE'RE DOUBLING OUR DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS ON WHAT THAT'LL DO TO OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM BECAUSE WE RUN THOSE MODELS AS THINGS GO AND THOSE ARE KIND OF EXPENSIVE MODELS TO RUN.

UM, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE THE CONVERSATION ON, YOU KNOW, UH, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT? IS THIS THE LOOK YOU'RE GOING FOR? AND THEN IF IT IS, THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISCUSS TRAFFIC, UH, INTERSECTIONS, TIA'S, WASTEWATER WATER SUPPLY

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ITSELF.

UM, WE DO HAVE SOME WATER COMING IN WITH ARWA.

UM, SO WE WILL, WE'LL, WE CAN BRING YOU ALL A LIST.

AND SO IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF JUST KEEP IT HIGH LEVEL, UM, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT PROBABLY NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

UM, IF YOU'RE WANTING SOME KIND OF ANALYSIS OR PROPOSED REGS, THAT'LL TAKE US A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

SO I THINK THE FIRST IS, IS WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE MYSELF.

I MEAN, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UM, THE WORD IS DENSITY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY QUITE IMPACTFUL AND, UH, ONE FOLLOWS THE OTHER.

SO IF WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE PERHAPS FOR THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO IT TELLS US, UH, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO MORE IN DEPTH.

UM, IT'S A SERIOUS STEP.

LIKE YOU SAID, IT GOES OFF INTO CODE PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER YOU CONSIDER THINGS.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'LL ADD THAT TO, UM, OUR LIST AND MOVE THAT UP ON OUR PRIORITIES.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.

I DO JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK NOTICE TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMISSION THAT THAT IS NOW GOING TO BE A LINKED ITEM IN THE AGENDA FOR THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO WHEN YOU RAISE IT, YOU SHOULD SEE IT THERE IN THE FUTURE, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS CONSULT THAT AND CHECK AND SEE IF, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU DO WANNA RAISE IS ALREADY LISTED THERE.

SO THAT'LL BE THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE IN THE FUTURE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, STAFF REPORT.

UM, MOVING ON,

[A. Staff Report by Jason Lutz, Senior Planner.]

ITEM SEVEN, A STAFF REPORT.

DOES STAFF HAVE A REPORT TO THE COMMISSION? I DO HAVE A LITTLE POWERPOINT TO KIND OF GO OVER THESE, SO LET ME GET THAT STARTED.

UH, SO THE BIG REPORT IS GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE.

IF YOU RECALL, UM, PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, Y'ALL APPROVED SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

UH, THE GOAL OF THOSE AMENDMENTS WERE ALLOW, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ZERO ESCAPING TO BE ALLOWED ON DEVELOPMENTS.

AND THIS WAS, UH, WITH THE GOAL TO CONSERVE WATER.

UM, Y'ALL ULTIMATELY APPROVED THOSE AMENDMENTS.

Y'ALL MADE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, THE TWO MOST NOTEWORTHY ON THERE WAS, UH, ADD SOME LANGUAGE, UH, DESCRIBING MAINTENANCE, UM, COLOR FADING, UH, OF, OF ANY ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THE SECOND WAS, UM, YOU DID NOT RECOMMEND TO REMOVE THE NATURAL, UH, VEGETATIVE SCREENING, UM, AS AN ALLOWABLE SCREENING.

AND THEN THE THIRD WAS THAT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS ACTUALLY TO, UH, NOT ALLOW, UH, ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE AREAS.

IF YOU RE REMEMBER, THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WAS 10%.

WE KIND OF WANTED TO START SMALL.

UM, SO WHAT COUNCIL DID WAS THEY APPROVED EVERYTHING WITH, UH, WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR WITH P N Z RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, INCLUDING THE ALLOW EXISTING VEGETATION TO BE USED AS SCREENING.

UH, BUT ONE, ONE CHANGE THEY DID WAS, UH, THEY DID WANT TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF ARTIFICIAL LANDSCAPING THAT COULD BE UTILIZED IN, IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE AREAS.

SO, UH, STAFF WAS PROPOSING 10, THEY WENT TO 50.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON OTHER AREAS IF THEY WANT TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED.

LANDSCAPING.

UM, THERE'S NO LIMIT IF THEY WANT TO USE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN OTHER AREAS.

SO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND.

IT WAS BROKEN DOWN, WHAT'S REQUIRED.

AND THEN ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, STAFF'S ALSO WORKING ON FUTURE CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE.

UM, WE'RE GONNA BE PROPOSING SOME CHANGES, UH, REGARDING TREES, UM, MITIGATION, OAK WIL PREVENTION, UM, AND REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, UH, PERMITS.

UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF UTILITY CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WORKING IN RIGHT OF WAYS.

UM, SOME OF THEM ARE OURS, SOME OF 'EM ARE, UH, FIBER GUYS.

UM, WE HAVE SOME HAD SOME INSTANCES WHERE SOME TREES WERE TRIMMED WITHOUT A PERMIT.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT DAMAGE.

SO, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK TO YOU, HOPEFULLY NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

UM, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA ALSO HAVE SOME MITIGATION.

UM, WE ALREADY ALLOW MITIGATION, THE STATE KIND OF PREEMPTS, UM, SAYS YOU HAVE TO ALLOW TWO INCH CALIPERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME MIDDLE, UH, MITIGATION FEES FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, THERE'S SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T MITIGATE ON SITE.

UM, THE SITE'S EITHER BUILT TO THE POINT WHERE IT CAN'T HANDLE THE TREES THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PLANT.

UM, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO CUT ONE DOWN, UM, AND WE HAVE A, A FEE FOR THAT, THERE WILL BE A CAP BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPERS WITH, WITH DEEP POCKETS THAT CAN, CAN KIND OF PAY FEES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING SINGLE FAMILY.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT CHANGING.

UM, AND WE'RE GONNA ALSO MODIFY

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OUR SPECIMEN AND TREE TYPE.

UM, SO INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING ONE STANDARD SIZE THAT EVERY TREE, TREE IS TREATED AS A SPECIMEN OR HERITAGE THAT IT'S, IT'S BASED ON, ON TREE TYPE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AN EIGHT INCH SLY OAK IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN AN EIGHT INCH CREPE MYRTLE.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF CONSIDER THOSE DIFFERENTLY.

SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHANGES YOU'LL BE SEEING ON THAT ORDINANCE.

UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

UM, THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN KIND OF GOING CONCURRENT WITH, UH, THE COMP PLAN.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON UPDATING THAT DOCUMENT.

WE'VE DONE SOME OPEN HOUSES, GOTTEN COUNCIL CITIZEN AND CITY MANAGER FEEDBACK.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING THAT INTO THE DOCUMENT.

UM, THE DOCUMENT'S GOING TO BE TRIMMED DOWN.

UM, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE IT MORE ACTION FOCUSED.

UM, WITH, WITH ACTION PLANS.

UH, IT'S GONNA FOCUS ON AESTHETICS AND CONCEPTS AND THEN ACTUALLY DEFINING THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST QUESTION FOR MOST PEOPLE IS WHAT IS THAT AREA GONNA BE? UM, WE ARE HOPING TO DRAFT A FINALIZED, UH, A DRAFT TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU AROUND THE SAME TIME AS A COMP PLAN BECAUSE THEY ARE KIND OF GOING HAND IN HAND.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS ARE AT LEAST CONSIDERING EACH OTHER AND WORKING TOGETHER, UH, VERSUS WORKING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

AND THEN, UM, WE ARE SPEAKING OF THAT DRAFT DOCUMENT, WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE ONE PROVIDED AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

UM, AND THAT WAS AFTER THEIR TRIP NUMBER FOUR, WHERE THEY PROVIDED SOME PUBLIC INPUT, HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY.

UH, TRIP FIVE IS IN OCTOBER.

WE'RE WORKING AT DETERMINING AND FINALIZING THOSE DATES, UH, FOR ADOPTION.

UM, SO TENTATIVELY OCTOBER TIMEFRAME FOR ADOPTION.

UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS SHAKE OUT IT, IT COULD PUSH BACK, BUT WE'LL, UH, WE'LL THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR IS THAT OCTOBER ADOPTION.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON A STAFF REPORT.

IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT INFORMATION, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM.

HEY JASON, I HAD, UH, ONE QUESTION ON THE MITIGATION, UH, UH, I GUESS WITH TREES MM-HMM.

, YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME SITES ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO IT ON SITE.

IS IT POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, SAY THE DEVELOPER HAS TO DO A MITIGATION FEE AND LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE TO PAY X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MAYBE 10 TREES THAT WERE CUT DOWN INSTEAD OF DOING ONSITE.

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, UH, TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER PLANT THE TREES, SAVE RESIDENTS WANT, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE A, IF IT WAS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WE'RE GONNA, WE CAN THEY, UH, A NEIGHBOR WANTS OR A PERSON LIVING THERE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE TREES ON SITE WHERE IT'S A MITIGATION, KINDA LIKE A MITIGATION SITE WHERE THEY PLANT IT ON THEIR YARD OR YEAH, I FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO WE DO ALLOW ON OFFSITE MITIGATION CURRENTLY, UM, GENERALLY THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND SO WE PROVIDE THOSE PLACES.

UH, PARKS, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE CONTEMPLATED ALLOWING THEM TO KIND OF APPROACH THEIR NEIGHBORS FOR MITIGATION.

UM, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.

WE DEFINITELY PROBABLY LOOK INTO THAT.

I'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF THOUGHTS RUNNING IN MY HEAD ABOUT THAT , YOU KNOW, GOOD AND BAD, SO.

UM, UH, WE'LL EXPLORE THAT AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND BRING THAT BACK, BUT, BUT CURRENTLY THIS, IF, IF THEY CAN'T DO IT ON SITE, THEY CAN, THEY CAN WORK WITH US AND WE CAN PLANT THOSE OKAY.

AT ANY OF OUR PARKS.

'CAUSE I MEAN, YEAH, I GUESS IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP UP WITH IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S, WELL, IT'S SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY AND NO, I DON'T WANT YOU COMING OUTTA MY YARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, PLANT THE TREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NEVER COME BACK TYPE THING.

NO.

RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE MITIGATION IS ACTUALLY GONNA FOCUS ON, UM, THE SINGLE LANDOWNER THAT, THAT MAYBE THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH.

WITH COORDINATING WITH A, A TREE COMPANY AND COORDINATING WITH THE CITY AND GETTING THAT PLANTED IN A CERTAIN SPOT, THEY KIND OF WANT TO PAY THEIR FEE.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO CAP ON THOSE FEES, AND SO WE KIND OF WANT TO, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY HAS UNLIMITED RESOURCES AND FUNDS AND SO, UH, WE'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES DO THIS, UH, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER CAP WILL BE, BUT THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE'LL BRING BACK TO Y'ALL.

AND PROBABLY SEE GUIDANCE ON, YEAH, SURE.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTION? I, I HAD A QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THE END OF ONE LINE WAS DEFINING THE AREA.

SO DO YOU, AS I WAS FOLLOWING THAT, I, I WAS THINKING CONCEPTUALLY DEFINING IT, BUT DO YOU ALSO MEAN THE PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES OF THE, UH, DOWNTOWN? YES.

YES.

WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFINE THAT, UM, VIA MAP.

UM, SAY, HEY, IT'S STARTING ON THIS ROAD TO THIS ROAD.

IS IT, DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY TO VETERANS? DOES IT STOP? I MEAN, THAT, THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING, UH, ONGOING.

I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS AND I KNOW THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN GOING ONGOING FOR A WHILE, SO.

UM, ULTIMATELY THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG KIND OF ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS IS IT GONNA BE JUST THE ORIGINAL CORE OR ARE WE GONNA START TO EXPAND THAT OUT? SO, UM, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE'LL FINALIZE AND BRING BACK TO YOU.

TO FIND DOWNTOWN, UM, INTERESTINGLY, AND, AND HOPEFULLY YOU SEE THAT ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING DOWN CENTER STREET IN THE OLD HOMES, WE GOT EVERYTHING FROM BOOKKEEPERS, LAWYERS, REAL ESTATE, HAIR CUTTERS, WHATEVER MAY BE THE CASE.

WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT WHILE WE'RE WANTING

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AND SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE BEST ADAPTATION, I THINK IS WHEN PEOPLE REALLY BUY IN AND, AND AT THAT LEVEL.

BUT, UH, UM, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO, TO SEE, SEE IF WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH WHERE WE BRING THAT KIND OF ATTENTION, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

NO, THE, THE, THE AREA WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, SOME OF THESE OLD HOMES, THOSE ARE, ARE RIPE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T ALWAYS NEED TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, STRUCTURES, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE NEEDED THAT PUBLIC FEEDBACK TO KIND OF SEE WHAT, WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTED.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.