* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY, GOOD EVENING. [1.  Call Meeting To Order] TODAY IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 22ND, AND THE TIME IS 6:30 PM I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE TO LORI? HERE. MATA. KIN HERE. STEGEL. HERE. JAMES. HERE CHASE BY THE SKIN OF OUR TEETH. WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE [3.  Minutes] MINUTES. ITEM THREE, A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. MINUTES FOR AUGUST 8TH, 2023. REGULAR MEETING WITH A MOTION. YES. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE OF ITEM THREE A. OKAY. MAD CHAIR. A SECOND. MOTION. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JAMES AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR DELORE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ZERO. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CITIZEN COMMENTS. ITEM FOUR, A CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS EARLY IN THE AGENDA OF REGULAR MEETINGS. SPEAKERS ARE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTERS CONCERNING CITY BUSINESS AND THEY MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN CITIZEN COMMENTS. OKAY. THEN I WILL CLOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ITEM [5.  Consent] NUMBER FIVE, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER FIVE, A LIMESTONE CREEK SUBDIVISION REVISED PLAN. REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN. SS U B DASH TWO THREE DASH 0 3 0 5. 179.278 ACRES 463 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, ONE AMENITY CENTER, EIGHT TOWN HOMES, TWO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LOTS, 19 OPEN SPACE LOTS. SIX DETENTION POND SLASH OPEN SPACE LOTS AND ONE WASTEWATER LIFT STATION LOT LOCATED OFF EAST POST ROAD JUST NORTH OF QUAIL RIDGE SUBDIVISION. WE REQUIRE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH A MOTION. YES, I MOVE TO PASS ITEMS FIVE A UNDER CONSENT. OKAY, SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JAMES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEGEL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ZERO. WE'RE HUMMING RIGHT ALONG. THIS IS GREAT. ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE. ACTION ITEM SIX [A.  Consider a request to construct an approximately 26,250 square feet fitness center building located at 19167 IH-35. (Crunch Fitness - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-23-0085)] A. CONSIDER A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 26,250 SQUARE FEET FITNESS CENTER BUILDING LOCATED AT 1 9 1 6 7 I H 35 CRUNCH FITNESS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C U P DASH 23 DASH 0 0 8 5. THE STAFF PROPOSAL IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. KAYLA, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE ITEM? IT'S A BIT FUNNY SHAPED. ALRIGHT. KAYLA SHARP, CITY PLANNER FOR THE RECORD. GIVE ME ONE SECOND WHILE I FIX THIS SO Y'ALL CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE WHOLE THING. IT'S USUALLY HELPFUL. MUCH OBLIGED. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA STOP SHARING FOR JUST A MOMENT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S DOING THIS. DID YOU ME TO TRY? MAYBE. THERE WE GO. TECHNOLOGY IS WEIRD SOMETIMES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU . UM, SO WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF CRUNCH FITNESS. IT'LL BE LOCATED AT, UM, 1 9 1 6 7 IH 35. IT'S IN THE I 35 OVERLAY. UM, IT'S IN BETWEEN AMBERWOOD NORTH AND AMBERWOOD SOUTH, UM, RIGHT ACROSS I 35 FROM THE DRY RIVER DISTRICT. UM, SO THIS WILL BE AN APPROXIMATELY 26,000 SQUARE FEET FITNESS CENTER. UM, AND THE MATERIALS CONSIST PRIMARILY OF MASONRY, UM, WITH BRICK STONE AND SPLIT FACE C M U BEING THE PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS. AND THERE'S APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO ACCENT THE DESIGN. AND THEN HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE. I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. TRY NOT TO MAKE Y'ALL GO CRAZY. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE ENDS THERE'S SOME OF THAT, UM, SPLIT FACE, C M U AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS PRIMARILY [00:05:01] BRICK. UM, AND THEN JUST TO TOUCH ON THE, THE COLORS, UM, MOST OF THAT IS THEIR BRANDING COLORS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, UM, THE KIND OF BRIGHTER ORANGE. UM, I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, ON THIS BOTTOM ONE THAT IS THE REAR FACE OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES THE, UM, AMBERWOOD SUBDIVISION. SO THEY'VE KIND OF BROKEN UP THE DESIGN SO IT'S NOT A BLANK WALL, UM, AS REQUIRED BY THE I 35 OVERLAY. UM, IT IS A TWO STORY BUILDING, SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE STAIRS THERE. UM, SO THERE IS THAT ONE, AND THEN KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT DUMPSTER ELEVATION IS, UM, COMPLIANT WITH THE I 35 OVERLAY AS WELL. AND THEN HERE IS KIND OF THE SITE. SO IT'LL, THIS, UM, PARTICULAR BUILDING WILL BE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THERE IS APPROPRIATE SCREENING AND SPACING BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT. UM, SO THERE'S SOME PARKING AND THEN ALSO A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS WELL. SO THERE, THERE'S A PRETTY DECENT AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN THOSE. AND THEN HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL. SO LOTS, LOTS OF TREES AND, UH, SHRUBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALONG THAT BACK, UM, FENCE LINE. SO, UH, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THIS IS COMPLIANT WITH THE I 35 OVERLAY AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. SO, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIENTATION, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACES AMBERWOOD NORTH SOUTH, CORRECT. THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING WILL FACE I 35. THEY HAVE KIND OF DRESSED UP, UM, REALLY ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING. UM, IT'S THIS, THE WEST ELEVATION, THE TOP ONE HERE. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL FACE I 35. AND THAT'S THE FRONT, THE MAIN ENTRANCE S BUT THE BOTTOM ONE HERE THAT WE SEE. SO TH THIS ONE HAS THE AWNING? CORRECT? THAT'S THE, THE TOP ELEVATION. SEE THERE? THE TOP ONE THAT HAS THE AWNING? YES, THAT'S THE FRONT. YEAH. WELL THAT'S THE ONE WE SEE HERE ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM THAT FACES TO THE LEFT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. UM, LEMME, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACES AMBERWOOD SOUTH. OKAY. YEP. YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT TRUE MY YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. MY APOLOGIES. OKAY. WHY DOES IT FACE AMBERWOOD SOUTH AND NOT I 35? UM, MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S BASED ON THE, UM, SITE PLAN LAYOUT FOR THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY NEED THE PARKING FOR THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE COMING IN. OKAY. OKAY. UM, OPEN SPACE. I DON'T SEE ANY OPEN SPACE AROUND THE BUILDING. WE'VE GOT THE WALKWAY IN, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT GOES BETWEEN THE, UM, A COUPLE OF PARKING SPOTS AND THE HANDICAP SPOTS AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND ACCORDING TO OUR OWN, UH, ORDINANCE, ALL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS THREE ACRES OR MORE IN SIZE, YOU'LL HAVE INCORPORATE OPEN SPACE ON SITE. I THINK IT'S ABOUT THREE ACRES. I DID THE MEASUREMENTS. SO ANYWAY, REGARDLESS IN THE AGGREGATE HERE, WE, IT SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN HAVING SOME OPEN SPACE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DOESN'T HAVE OPEN SPACE. DO YOU KNOW WHY GENERALLY WITH SITES LIKE THIS, THE OPEN SPACE IS GONNA BE IN SMALLER, UM, AREAS SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE? MAYBE NOT, UM, LIKE A BIG OPEN SPACE AREA. UM, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF LANDSCAPE AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THIS, THERE, THERE'S LANDSCAPING ON THE BORDER. I DON'T THINK THAT CONSTITUTES OPEN SPACE, SO I DON'T THINK IT SATISFIED THAT OVERLAY. UM, SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS ONLY REFERENCING THIS ONE BUILDING. THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THE SITE PLAN FOR INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS. THEY'RE NOT, UM, THIS ISN'T FOR THE OVERALL SITE PLAN. OKAY. BUT THE OTHER ONES THAT WE SEE HERE, UH, SAY NOT IN SCOPE. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S IN SCOPE. YES. SO ARE YOU SAYING IT'LL, WE WILL COMPENSATE BY HAVING OPEN SPACE, UH, NEAR ONE OF THESE OTHER BUILDINGS OR DEVELOPMENTS? IS THAT THE IDEA? GO AHEAD. WILL, WILL. ATKINSON DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. UM, SO YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THE, UM, WE, THE, WITH THE, WITH THE DEVELOPER, EXCUSE ME. I CAN'T TALK TODAY. UM, AND SEE WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN THROW IN A, LIKE A PAUSE OR WHAT HAVE YOU ON THE OVERALL SITE PLAN. WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, CONTIGUOUS PEDESTRIAN ROUTES. SO I SEE THAT THE PARKING LOT AND THE LANDSCAPING PEDESTRIAN SPACES DON'T PROVIDE ANY CONTIGUOUS PATH TO THE SIDEWALK OR CONTIGUOUS PATH TO THE OTHER, OTHER AREAS. IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, [00:10:01] IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A ROAD THAT KIND OF COMPLETELY ENCIRCLES THE BUILDING WITH ADDITION OF A FEW SPOTS AND THEN THE PARKING LOT AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN THROUGHPUT THERE. UH, OUR OVERLAY SAYS THAT WE'RE TO ENSURE NEW DEVELOPMENTS INCORPORATES STREETS AND SIDEWALKS THAT FORM A CONNECTED NETWORK PROVIDING A VARIETY OF PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR ROOTS TO ANY SINGLE DESTINATION IN AND OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE AT LEAST CONNECTED, UH, VIA PEDESTRIAN ROUTE TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS OR KIND OF COORDINATE A PATHWAY THROUGH THERE. AND ALSO TO THE, THE SIDEWALK THAT RUNS DOWN ON, UM, AMBERWOOD SOUTH. YES. SO ALSO JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS SITE PLAN HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET. SO THIS IS, THIS WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN FOR THIS SITE HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WILL MAKE NOTE OF, UM, WHEN WE REVIEW THAT SITE PLAN ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED. OKAY. WE DO REQUIRE CONNECTION FROM SIDEWALKS, WHETHER IT BE SIDEWALK ON 35 OR ON AMBERWOOD, NORTH OR SOUTH. THERE WILL BE SOME MORE CONNECTIVITY. OKAY. UH, ANOTHER PART OF THIS IS, UH, VIBE TRAIL. UH, WE HAVE THE VIBE PLANNED VIBE TRAIL RUNNING DOWN I 35 RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING HERE YET NO DIRECT CONNECTION. I SUPPOSE IF WE HAD A, UM, PEDESTRIAN PATH TO AMBERWOOD SOUTH, THAT SIDEWALK LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA CONNECT UP WITH THERE. AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU PUT ON THE OVERLAY WITH THE, WITH THE, THE OTHER SPACES IN THERE, LIKE THE PLAN SPACES? MM-HMM. , THE OTHER SLIDE? YES. I JUST WANT, OH YEAH, THAT'S IT. SO IF YOU SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A, IS THAT A WALKWAY THAT'S GONNA GO OVER AMBERWOOD SOUTH? WHAT IS THAT? I CAN'T QUITE TELL. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEN THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT CURVES AROUND AND GOES DOWN FROM THERE TO ANOTHER AREA. UM, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE. YEAH. SO ON THE UPPER LEFT THERE, YOU SEE THAT THERE'S, UH, THAT THE AMBERWOOD SOUTH RUNS, UH, UP AND DOWN MM-HMM. LIKE ALONG THE LEFT SIDE HERE. AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S EITHER A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK OR A BRIDGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT FEATURE IS? IT WILL LIKELY BE A CROSSWALK. CROSSWALK. MM-HMM. . OKAY. OKAY. WELL, WE, WE, WE SHOULD TIE INTO THE VIBE TRAIL. I MEAN, THIS IS A FITNESS CENTER, SO IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD TIE INTO THE VIBE TRAIL SOMEHOW, OR FUTURE VIBE TRAIL MM-HMM. OR LEAVE SPOT FOR. SO I MEAN, I I, I WOULD SAY AT MINIMUM IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING, IF YOU GO STRAIGHT OUT THE FRONT, WE HAVE A, UH, WE HAVE A DIVIDER FOR THE TWO AREAS OF THE PARKING LOT. IF THAT WAS EXPANDED TO MAKE A WALKWAY THAT WENT TO AMBERWOOD SOUTH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY SATISFY IT. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE YEAH. UM, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR SURE. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST IS THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE BUILDING. UH, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AS YOU INDICATED, KAYLA WITH THE, WITH THE STAIRWELLS FACES, THE BACK OF THE RESIDENCE OF AMBERWOOD CRESCENT. AND, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA PLANT TREES AND SO FORTH, BUT IT'S A PRETTY TALL BUILDING. MM-HMM. , UM, WE'VE GOT THAT ENTIRE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF THAT BUILDING IS, BUT THAT ENTIRE UNBROKEN STRETCH THERE, I DON'T THINK REALLY SATISFIES THE OVERLAY, UM, IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BREAK UP BUILDING LINES SO THAT IT'S NOT QUITE SO MONOLITHIC. THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE A GIANT WAREHOUSE AND IF I LIVED ON AMBERWOOD CRESCENT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOOK OUT MY BACK DOOR OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE TWO STORIES TOO. THEY'RE GONNA SEE THIS FOREVER, FOREVER. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, I, I DON'T THINK I'D LIKE THOSE COLORS. UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ORANGE, OF COURSE, THE ORANGE, ORANGE STRIPE AND, UH, THIS, THIS LARGE UNBROKEN FEATURE WITH THE FIRE ESCAPES. I GUESS NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT FIRE ESCAPES, BUT, UH, I THINK WE COULD, UH, WE, WE COULD BREAK IT UP A BIT. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE HAVE A FEW MORE FEATURES. SO I, I I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR THAT SIDE. SO YES, SIR. SO THE ORANGE IS THEIR BRANDING, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA GET THEM TO STRAY AWAY FROM THAT. UM, AS FAR AS THE, UM, BREAKING UP THAT FACADE OF THE BUILDING, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO. WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IT IS A GYM, THERE'S LOCKER ROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE EXTERIOR, SOME PY LASTERS OR SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD DO TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE ADDING MORE OF THIS, UM, GLAZING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT LIKELY WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM AS A FITNESS CENTER. OKAY. WELL, UH, I HAD A LOOK AT QUITE A FEW CRUNCH LOCATIONS AND PLENTY OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE CONVINCED THEM TO MOVE OFF THIS. THERE'S MANY LOCATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THE CRUNCH LOGO IS BLUE, [00:15:01] NOT ORANGE, AND PLENTY OF LOCATIONS WHERE THE ONLY INDICATION THAT IT'S A CRUNCH FITNESS IS THERE SIGN ON THE FRONT, THE REST IS COMPLETELY IN CONFORMANCE AND THE BUILDINGS ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH WHATEVER APPLICABLE CODES OR OVERLAYS THAT OTHER PLACES HAVE. LIKE, UH, YOU CAN LOOK AT CYPRESS, FOR EXAMPLE. CYPRESS IN, UH, TEXAS AND, UM, SAN ANGELO, THEY ALSO BUILT ONE. SO TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT LIKE THIS IS, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. I, WE, WE COULD ASK FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T MATCH UP THE OVERLAY. SO YEAH. IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE US TO TAKE BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND HAVE THEM LOOK INTO, WE CERTAINLY CAN. UM, YEAH. OKAY. IF, IF I MAY. YEP. UM, WELL, I CAN SEND FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE THE, THE APPLICANTS ARE ACTUALLY ONLINE. YEAH. UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO PUT, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THESE DESIGN CONCERNS THAT YOU'LL HAVE AS WELL. OKAY. UM, CRUNCH FITNESS REPRESENTATIVES. CAN ANYBODY SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF? WELL, THAT'S OKAY, I GUESS. UH, YOU, YOU CAN COORDINATE WITH THEM. YEAH. YEAH. YOU HAVE MY CONCERNS ON RECORD, SO YES, SIR. YOU CAN MEET WITH THEM AND, AND, AND SEE WHAT THAT IS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SO FOR THIS ITEM, WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, SIR. I, UH, UH, REQUEST WE, WE, UH, ACCEPT THE APPLICATION WITH THE PRE PROVISO, UH, THAT IT BE SENT BACK FOR THE REVISIONS AS REQUESTED. AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, DO WE WANNA HAVE A SECOND VIEWING OR JUST, UH, HAVE STAFF STAFF LOOK AT IT? YEAH, WE'LL NEED, WE'LL NEED CLARIFICATION ON IF, IF IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO Y'ALL, THEN YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT NOW YOU WOULD HAVE IT SENT BACK. IF YOU WANT TO ACCEPT IT WITH THOSE REVISIONS, IT WOULDN'T COME BACK TO Y'ALL. IT WOULD END WITH STAFF. I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AGAIN. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO, TO HAVE THE REVISIONS DONE AND BE BROUGHT BACK TO, UH, PLANNING ITS OWN. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO MOTION IS TO RETURN THE APPLICATION FOR REVISIONS AS REQUESTED AND THEN BE BROUGHT BACK TO P AND Z. YEP. OKAY. MM-HMM. , IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT. OKAY. UM, YES. THIS IS SO EARLY ON IN THE FACT THAT LIKE, WE HAVEN'T GOT THE SITE PLAN. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US. I THINK THEY'VE HEARD OUR CONCERNS. I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET A SITE PLAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS. WE'RE GETTING A PART OF THAT. I DON'T THINK IT'S TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US. IF THIS WERE TO COME BACK TO US, IF THIS WERE TO COME TO US LIKE THIS AFTER SITE PLANS, THERE'D BE A MODICUM OF CONCERN. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT, I SEE THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF IN THE PROCESS AND WE'RE SEEING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR US. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK FOR US, THEREFORE, I'LL BE VOTING NO. YES. YES. UH, CHAIR, I'D BE WILLING TO LET STAFF LOOK AT THIS AS WELL. THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. UM, I DO HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS THE VICE CHAIR. UM, AND I HOPE THAT HIS CLARITY IN SPEAKING TO STAFF AND IF THE, UH, APPLICANTS ARE LISTENING, I HOPE THAT CLARITY, UH, RINGS THROUGH, UH, BECAUSE I, I DO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT, BUT I'M WILLING TO LET STAFF, UH, TAKE THE MEASURE OF THIS AND HANDLE THE COMMUNICATION. OKAY. SO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO RETURN THE APPLICATION WITH REVISIONS AS REQUESTED, AND THEN BE BROUGHT BACK TO P AND Z, UH, FOR APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ONE SECOND. WAIT, CAN WE GET A, JUST SOME FOR OUR MINUTES TO GET SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON THE REVISIONS YOU WANT SPECIFICALLY ON THE BUILDING ITSELF? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE, THE FACADE. OKAY. I CAN LIST, SURE. I CAN LIST 'EM OFF. OKAY. NUMBER ONE, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO AMBERWOOD SOUTH OR FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THROUGH TO, UM, I, THIS WILL JUST BE FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF. ANYTHING RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN, WE [00:20:01] HAVE YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY. UM, ON RECORD, AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE SITE PLAN. OKAY. FOR THIS, WE JUST NEED THE ACTUAL EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. ACTUAL EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, I'D LIKE THE, THE ORANGE COLOR REMOVED FROM THE BUILDING, UM, AND, UH, THE UNBROKEN LINES ON THE UPPER FLOOR ABOVE THE MEZZANINE LEVEL, UH, ON ALL SIDES TO BE, UH, TO BE BROKEN UP WITH SUITABLE FEATURES. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE MY BUILDING COMMENTS. OKAY. PER THE I 35 OVERLAY MOTION, UH, THE, THE MOTION IS TO RETURN THE APPLICATION WITH THOSE REVISIONS AND THEN BE BROUGHT BACK TO P AND Z FOR APPROVAL. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO MOTION FAILS. 3, 2, 3 TO ONE, ONE TO THREE. ONE TO THREE. DID YOU VOTE? I HEARD TWO . OKAY. SO WHEN Y'ALL DID THE, WHEN Y'ALL MADE YOUR VOTES, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I, I HEARD EVERYBODY SAY, AYE, EVERYONE DID SAY AYE. 'CAUSE I, I DID NOT SPECIFY IF YOU WERE OPPOSED TO SAY NAYYY, I SAID, ALL OPPOSED SAY AYE. AND THEN, OKAY. OR I SAID, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. EXCUSE ME. AND THEN I SAID, ALL OPPOSED AND THEN PAUSED AND PEOPLE SAID, AYE. SHALL WE, SHALL WE VOTE AGAIN? WE SHALL VOTE AGAIN. ALL CALL VOTE. YEAH. LET DO ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. ALL CALL. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. ALL RIGHT. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAYYY. NAY, NAY. MOTION FAILS. ONE TO THREE. YES. OKAY. SO NOW WE NEED A FRESH MOTION WITH A MOTION. YES. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM SIX A WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN TO STAFF ON THE, UM, THE SITE PLAN. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM SIX A WITH THE COMMENTS. UM, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AS STATED? YES. YEAH, SINCE MY EMOTIONAL SAY, UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF LIKE THE CHANGING THE COLOR OR ANYTHING. I THINK IF THAT'S A BRANDING, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T, I SEE DIFFERENT COLORS OUT OF MY WINDOW EVERY DAY WHEN I LOOK AT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, PLACE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO MY FRONT BUILDING, IT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE. UM, YEAH, I, I THINK THIS FITS IN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON ON I 35, UM, THAT I SEE UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR DOESN'T SEEM OUT OF PLACE, LOOKS LIKE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO I'M GONNA BE VOTING FOR THIS MOTION. OKAY. WELL, UH, I CAN MAKE COMMENT. UH, IT'S TRUE THAT I 35 IS LOST TO A LOT OF THE CORPORATE LOGOS IN AMERICA, BUT, UH, THIS AREA IS COMPLETELY UNBROKEN GROUND YET AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO MAKE A DECENT, UH, A DECENT PLACE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASING TO THE EYE. SO, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, AT ENFORCING OUR OWN UPPER DISTRICT RULES. THANKS. YES, WE WILL. UH, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS OF, OF, UH, BOTH COMMISSIONERS SO FAR. UM, I DO HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE FACT OF THE RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT. I WOULDN'T REALLY CARE SO MUCH IF THIS WERE NEXT TO EVO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THIS IS A RATHER LARGE BUILDING OVER 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF ANY HOME IN THE AREA AND, UM, IS REALLY RATHER IMPOSING. AND I THINK PEOPLE REALLY WANT THIS KIND OF BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY QUITE CLEARLY. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE LOCAL HOMEOWNERS AS WELL. UM, TO COMM, VICE CHAIR, UH, DELORE'S COMMENT ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, DESIGNS USED ELSEWHERE LIKE CYPRESS, TEXAS. I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, MYSELF WITH SEVERAL BUSINESSES. AND MY POSITION ON THIS IS FOR EACH BUSINESS WANTING TO COME TO TOWN AND BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE US THEIR BEST. AND IF THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT ELSEWHERE THAT HAS BEEN APPROPRIATE TO A SUBURBAN SETTING AND MET THEIR BUSINESS NEEDS, THEN TO ME THEY CAN DO THAT IN KYLE. SO THAT'S [00:25:01] MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS ACTUALLY. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE THAT HIS MICROPHONE WAS ON. DID EVERYONE HEAR THAT? OKAY. I CAN REPEAT IT. YOU HEARD IT? OKAY. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO, TO DOUBLE CHECK. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? OKAY. UM, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TO APPROVE ITEM SIX A WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ZERO. NEXT UP IS [B.   Consider a request to construct approximately 260 multi-family units and 22,784 square feet of ground floor retail located at 20160 Marketplace. (Riverline - Conditional Use Permit - CUP-23-0084) ] ITEM SIX B. CONSIDER A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT APPROXIMATELY 260 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND 22,784 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FOUR GROUND FLOOR RETAIL LOCATED AT 2 0 1 6 0 MARKETPLACE RIVER LINE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C U P DASH 23 DASH 0 8 4. THE SA PROPOSAL IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. KAYLA PRESENTATION PLEASE. YES, IT'S GONNA DO THE WEIRD THING AGAIN, SO ONE SECOND. EVENTUALLY I'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO NOT HAVE IT DO THAT. OKAY, THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, UM, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE I 35 OVERLAY, HOWEVER, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UM, SO THERE'S SOME SPECIAL THINGS TO CONSIDER WITH THIS ONE. UM, MY COMPUTER'S FREEZING, SO. OKAY. UM, THIS'LL BE AT 2 0 1 6 0 MARKETPLACE AVENUE. UM, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE CHIPOTLE AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER RESTAURANTS ARE GOING IN JUST TO KIND OF FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE AREA. UM, IT'LL BE ABOUT 260, UM, MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT UNITS AND THEN APPROXIMATELY 22,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL WITH THE, UM, GROUND FLOOR RETAIL FACING MARKETPLACE AVENUE. AND THEN TO THE NORTH, UM, TECHNICALLY NORTH, UM, SEPARATING THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM, UM, THE SHOPPING CENTER FRONTING 1626, THE VIBE TRAIL WILL BE THERE. SO THERE WILL BE SOME RETAIL FRONTING THAT VIBE TRAIL AS WELL WITH THIS ONE. SO, UM, AND THEN JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, UM, WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, BUILDINGS THAT ARE FRONTING MARKETPLACE OR FRONTING THE VIBE TRAIL HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 60% MASONRY WITH A MINIMUM 40% OF THAT BEING BRICK OR STONE SPECIFICALLY, UM, INTERNAL BUILDINGS TO THE SITE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND, IT'LL KIND OF MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE. UM, HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 30% MASONRY WITH, UM, AT LEAST 20% OF THAT BEING BRICK OR STONE. AND THEN THEIR SERVICE BUILDINGS, PARKING, OTHER ACCESSORY BUILDINGS HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM 20% MASONRY OR STUCCO. SO WE WILL, OKAY, SO THIS IS KIND OF THE OVERALL SITE PLAN. THE BOTTOM IS MARKETPLACE AVENUE, UM, SO YOU HAVE THOSE BUILDINGS FRONTING MARKETPLACE THAT WILL HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL AND THEN BUILDINGS THREE AND FOUR WILL ALSO HAVE SOME RETAIL IN THOSE FRONT, THE VIBE TRAIL. SO HERE ARE THE BUILDING MATERIALS THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING. UM, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF THESE AND THEY'RE NOT ALL ON ONE PAGE, SO I'M SO SORRY, . UM, BUT JUST TO, UM, AS KIND OF A REFERENCE, WE DO FIND THAT THIS IS COMPLIANT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO, UM, THERE'S THAT ONE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, UM, BUILDINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE 60% MASONRY. SO, AND THEN THIS IS THE BOTTOM IS THE, UM, REAR ELEVATION AND THEN SIDE ELEVATIONS, WHICH THE SIDE ELEVATIONS HAVE TO, UM, HAVE THE SAME MATERIALS AS THE FRONT AND THE REAR. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. OKAY, THIS ONE IS BUILDING THREE. SO THIS ONE IS FRONTING THE VIBE TRAIL. IF I'M GOING TOO FAST, YOU'LL SLOW ME DOWN, BUT I KNOW THESE ARE KIND OF VERY LARGE BUILDINGS TO LOOK AT. OKAY, THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST ONE FACING THE VIBE TRAIL OR MARKETPLACE. [00:30:01] AND THEN, UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE INTERNAL BUILDINGS, SO THEY STILL HAVE A CONSISTENT DESIGN ACROSS THE BOARD. JUST THE REQUIREMENT FOR MASONRY IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, UM, BUT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THEIR, UM, SERVICE MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS, UH, CABANAS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THEY'RE PRIMARILY STUCCO, SO THEY DEFINITELY MEET THAT, UM, REQUIREMENT PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THEN DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS SPLIT FACE, C M U, SO THAT ALSO MEETS THEIR REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S ALL I GOT. ANY QUESTIONS? YEP. YEAH. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS? NOPE. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, SO BECAUSE THIS IS CLOSE TO THE VIBE TRAIL, UM, THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH HERE ON BIKES OR ALTERNATE, YOU KNOW, WAYS OF TRANSPORTATION. DOES THIS, I GUESS, COMMUNITY HAVE SOMETHING READY FOR THOSE KINDS OF VEHICLES, LIKE BIKES OR CARTS OR SOMETHING? WHERE WOULD THOSE GO SO THAT PEOPLE USING THE VIBE TRAIL CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHATEVER BUSINESSES ARE IN THEIR ESTABLISHMENT? UH, LIKE BIKE RACKS AND GOLF CART, CHARGING STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT? YEAH, UM, I BELIEVE SO. UM, WILL, IF YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, OR DO YOU WANNA LOOK UP AND CONFIRM? AND FOR THE RECORD, UM, GIMME A MOMENT. I'M LOOKING, I'M GONNA PULL UP THE DA AND SEE IF IT MENTIONS ANY SPECIFIC, UM, OKAY. REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, GOLF CART PARKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, OKAY. JUST A MOMENT. I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, SOME OTHER SPOTS WHERE THEY GAVE LIKE A DESIGNATED GOLF CART PARKING MM-HMM. , IT MIGHT JUST NOT BE IN THIS SECTION. IT MIGHT BE MORE ON THE OTHER OTHER SIDE. BUT YEAH, WE DO ALSO ALLOW IN OUR CODE, UM, A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE SOME GOLF CART PARKING. SO IT ALSO MIGHT BE THAT IT'S MORE SO ON THE, UM, RETAIL SITES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED YET, THE STANDALONE RETAIL. UM, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, AND WILL'S GONNA CONFIRM. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY SORT OF SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FOR THIS TO HAVE IT. SURE. UM, AND ONE QUESTION. SO ON THE, UM, I GUESS THIS IS LIKE A, I'M GONNA CALL IT A FLOOR PLAN, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD THOUGH. UM, WHERE IT'S THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF THE FIVE BUILDINGS. SORRY IF I MAKE Y'ALL DIZZY. OKAY, THERE WE GO. SO ON THE LEFT OF BUILDING ONE, THERE'S A SECTION OF PAVEMENT THAT'S GRAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY IT'S GRAY. DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING? I DO NOT KNOW. WE CAN SPEAK TO THIS. WE'RE HERE REPRESENTATIVE. YEP. OKAY. SO MY NAME IS BOB NEW, I'M THE ARCHITECT, AND THAT THAT'S JUST, UH, A, UH, A PAVEMENT. UM, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WE HAVE PAVERS OR COLORED CONCRETE. THAT'S, IT'S JUST TO, UH, SET OFF THE, THE, UM, THE PAVEMENT IN FRONT OF THE RETAIL AND THEN ALSO THE ENTRY INTO THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH, I'LL SIT UP HERE IF YOU HAVE. THANKS. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS, I, I VERY MUCH LIKE THE ARCADE KIND OF DESIGN GOING ALONG, BUILDING ONE AND TWO, UM, WITH THE, THE COVERED ENTRIES OVER THOSE BUSINESSES. I THINK THAT'S REALLY NICE. UM, THE, THE NATURE OF THIS, I'M ASSUMING IS THAT THEY'RE LEASING THESE SPACES OUT WHEN THEY'RE LEASING THESE SPACES. DO WE KNOW IF THE BUSINESSES WILL BE ABLE TO USE THESE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE ARCADE KIND OF COME ALIVE WITH SEATING OR SOMETHING? IF IT'S A, A RESTAURANT KIND OF THING, IF THE SIDEWALK IS WIDE ENOUGH, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET SOME, UM, OUTDOOR DINING. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HOW WIDE THAT SIDEWALK AREA IS. THERE IS A MINIMUM CLEARANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP FOR A WALKWAY THOUGH. UM, SO IT'LL KIND OF DEPEND ON THAT. AND THEN ALSO WHO THE TENANTS ARE. CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO THAT TOO? CAN YOU GO BACK TO SIDE POINT FOR JUST A SECOND? SO IF YOU COULD SEE BUILDING TWO TOWARDS THE VI TRAIL, WE PLANNED FOR A RESTAURANT TO BE AT THAT CORNER AND THERE'S A PATIO THAT'S COVERED. AND ALSO IN BETWEEN BUILDINGS ONE AND TWO, THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE CAFE OPPORTUNITY THAT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO ENERGIZE [00:35:01] SOME OF THESE SPACES AROUND, NOT NECESSARILY ALONG THAT FRONTAGE, BUT ON THE ENDS. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE, THE SIDEWALK IS, I THINK IT'S 12 FEET DEEP. IT'S PRETTY HEALTHY SIDEWALK ON THE FRONT, UH, BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE UNDERNEATH THE ADE. SO I MEAN, YOU WOULD SEE LIKE A TYPICAL RETAIL WHERE YOU HAVE MAYBE SOME TWO TOP TABLES IN THERE WITH AN ICE CREAM SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE, WE ENVISION IT TO BE PRETTY ALIVE. MM-HMM. . COOL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIR? YEAH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, IS NICELY TIED INTO THE FIVE TRAIL RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE, AND THEN IT'S TIED INTO A OVERALL CIRCULATION PATTERN FOR PEDESTRIANS IN HERE. THE LARGE AREA DOWN ON, ON THE MARKETPLACE SIDE IN FRONT OF BUILDING ONE AND TWO IS QUITE BROAD. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A SIDEWALK THAT GOES OVER TO, UH, BUILDING FIVE AND AROUND IT. SO, UH, THIS, THIS IS NICELY TIED IN. I THINK ALL THE FINISHES ARE REALLY NICE ON THE BUILDINGS, UH, PLEASING TO THE EYE. THEY'RE LARGE BUILDINGS, NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT REALLY, BUT, UH, THE WAY THEY'VE BROKEN UP USING THE VARIETY OF TEXTURES MATERIALS I THINK IS REALLY NICE. THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT I WOULD EXPECT FOR, UH, FOR OUR DEVELOPMENTS. AND KYLE, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. AND ALSO NOTE THE SMALL DETAIL THAT THERE'S A DOG WASH MAINTENANCE AREA THAT'S GETTING INTO SOME DETAIL AND PROBABLY QUITE IMPORTANT TO, UH, LIVING IN THIS KIND OF MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. SO WE WILL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. MADAM CHAIR? YES, I MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SECOND. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR DE LORI AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM SIX B. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES. YEAH, I JUST DEFINITELY WANNA SAY THIS IS A GREAT USE OF THIS AREA. UM, ESPECIALLY LOOK AT THE, LIKE, NATURE OF THE SHAPE OF THE, THE, UH, LOT THEY HAVE. LIKE THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB PACKING ALL THAT INTO THAT SPACE AND I HOPE THAT WE SEE MORE OF THAT COMING IN THE FUTURE, UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE ARE LOADING THAT MARKETPLACE AVENUE NEW CORRIDOR. SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE IF ANYONE'S LOOKING TO DEVELOP THAT AREA. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO THE MOTION IS WHETHER TO APPROVE ITEM SIX B. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ZERO. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ZONING ITEM SEVEN A. [A.   Consider and make a recommendation to City Council regarding a request by Pam Madere of Jackson Walker LLP, on behalf of the Caraway Cattle Company Family Partnership LLLP (Z-22-0110) to rezone approximately 101 acres to Planned Unit Development (PUD, to include approximately 72 acres of Retail Services Zoning ‘RS’ and approximately 29 acres Multifamily Apartments 3 ‘R-3-3’ for property located at 301 Bebee Road in Hays County, Texas.   Public Hearing Recommendation to City Council ] CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY PAM DEER OF JACKSON WALKER, L L P ON BEHALF OF CARAWAY CATTLE COMPANY FAMILY PARTNERSHIP L L L P Z DASH 22 DASH TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT P U D TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 72 ACRES OF RETAIL SERVICES, ZONING RS AND APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. UM, R THREE R THREE THREE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 0 1 BEBE ROAD IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO VOTE TO POSTPONE CONSIDERATION TO OUR AUGUST 29TH SPECIAL CALLED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. THIS WILL ALLOW THE ENTITLEMENTS LIKE ANNEXATION, ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE ON A SCHEDULE FOR SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023 AND SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2023. CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM, UH, WHICH WILL REMAIN OPEN UNTIL THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON AUGUST 29TH, 2023. IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK, THEY MUST STATE THEIR NAME AND OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN OUR PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WILL DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? ALL RIGHT. UH, WILL ATKINSON, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD. UM, SO AS STATED IN THE, UH, IN THE AGENDA ITEM, UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH, UH, THE END USER, THE DEVELOPER OF THE SITE. AND, UM, THEY ARE NOT QUITE READY FOR, TO FINISH REVIEWING THE PUD DOCUMENTS SO THAT WE COULD BRING IT TO Y'ALL TODAY. SO, UH, THEY DID REQUEST A POSTPONEMENT FOR IT, BUT AS YOU STATED, UM, THIS WILL BE AT THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING NEXT TUESDAY ON THE 29TH FOR RECONSIDERATION. AND THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING DOES NEED TO STAY [00:40:01] OPEN SO IT GIVES OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, ANY CONCERNED CITIZENS WANTING TO SPEAK, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. UM, AGAIN, IT'S FOR THE, UH, TO MAINTAIN THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET THEIR ANNEXATION, THEIR ZONING. THERE'S GONNA BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT. AND SO ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING, ARE ANTICIPATED TO COALESCE ON THE 19TH. SO THIS IS, WE'RE DOING OUR PART OF THIS TO HELP MAINTAIN THAT SCHEDULE AS WELL. OKAY. SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR WILL RIGHT NOW? YES. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON TOWARDS THE 19TH. IS THERE ANYTHING WE LOSE BY NOT HAVING AT THE 19TH? YES, BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE, UH, A RECOMMENDATION VOTE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, BEFORE IT CAN BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL. AND IF IT DOES NOT HAPPEN ON THE 19TH, UM, EXCUSE ME, IF IT DOES NOT HAPPEN ON THE 29TH, THEN THAT PUSHES BACK THE ZONING SCHEDULE AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THE ANNEXATION SCHEDULE AND ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE POTENTIAL TSS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON SITE AS WELL. 'CAUSE THEY ALL HAVE PUBLIC NOTICES. IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER WITH A FOLLOW UP, ESPECIALLY HEARING THERE'S A, NOW A TSS ATTACHED TO THIS, OUR POTENTIAL TS IS. SO IS THERE A WORRY THAT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ON SEPTEMBER 19TH THAT THE OWNER WOULD LIKE WITHDRAW THEIR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT, UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO, UM, BOTH STAFF, THE, UM, THE OWNERS, THE DEVELOPER, CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. CITY COUNCIL IS VERY AWARE OF THIS PROJECT. UM, THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION TODAY FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, UH, STATE OF THE CITY AS WELL TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT WRAPPED UP. THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DELAYS ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE, SO NO, WE CAN, WE FEEL WE CAN MAINTAIN THE SCHEDULE IF, UH, WITH A DELAYED BOAT FROM Y'ALL FROM A WEEK FROM NOW FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL MEMO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, THERE'S A WORDS RIGHT AWAY, QUICKLY MOVING FORWARD. THERE'S A LOT OF RUSH THAT I SENSE HERE IN THIS PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO PULL BACK TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN MEET THE TERMS OF, UH, THE, THE CITY. IS THAT THE CASE THAT THEY, UM, HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU AND THE COUNCIL TO, TO WORK THIS OUT, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT PREPARED? THEY ARE ALMOST READY FROM THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE. WE JUST DIDN'T QUITE MEET THE DEADLINE FROM THE ZONING SIDE OF IT TO MAKE IT TO THIS MEETING. SO WE ARE WRAPPING UP THE REVIEW OF IT THIS WEEK. SO THE ZONING WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE 8 29 MEETING SINCE THERE'S AN URGENCY WITH THIS. THE QUESTION IS BROADLY WHAT COULD GO WRONG IN TERMS OF NOT MEETING THE SCHEDULE SINCE THAT THEY, UH, THEY HAVEN'T FULFILLED THEIR END OF IT YET. WHAT COULD GO WRONG? THAT'S A LOT OF TIME PRESSURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT WITH ON OUR SIDE AS WELL. SO WE'RE ABLE, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DOCUMENTS READY TO GO FOR NEXT WEEK FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PUD FOR THE ZONING ASPECT OF IT. UM, AT THIS JUNCTURE, SIMPLY DELAYING THE RECOMMENDATION VOTE TO Y'ALL BY ONE WEEK IS A LOT MORE SIMPLE FROM MANAGING THE OVERALL ENTITLEMENT TIMELINE THAN DELAYING IT TO THE NEXT REGULAR VOTING MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT THROWS EVERYTHING ELSE OUT OF ALIGNMENT AND WE RISK LOSING, WE MAKING A BIG MISSTEP FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, FROM HAVING TO MAYBE RE-NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OUR I'S AND T'S DOTTED AND WE STILL DO WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. SO THE QUESTION IS THEN DO WE LOSE RISK OF VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION FOR FAILING TO, UH, OPERATE ON THEIR ? NO, NOT GENERALLY BECAUSE, UH, THIS 37 ACRES, 38 ACRES HAS A NON ANNEXATION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON IT. SO WHEN IT, WHEN THE SITE DOES DEVELOP REGARDLESS OF THE PROJECT, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE ANNEXED, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ANNEXATION COMPLETE BEFORE THE ZONING HAPPENS. SO YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, GET ALL THE DUCKS IN A ROW HERE JUST BECAUSE THE LAND AUTH OWNER AUTHORIZATION AT THE BOTTOM BELOW THE NOTARY, EVEN PUT, THE OWNER MAY WITHDRAW VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION APPLICATION AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO FINAL CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. AND THAT WAS WRITTEN BY IN LONGHAND WITH A, AN INSERTION OF THE [00:45:01] WORLD VOL VOLUNTARY ABOVE THE LINE. SO CAUSE ME CONSUM CONCERN AND, AND THEY CAN DO THAT, UM, EVEN IF THAT WASN'T INSERTED IN THERE, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, DECIDES THEY, AND THIS IS IN ANY CASE, IT NOT NECESSARILY THIS PROJECT, THEY CAN ALWAYS RETRACT THEIR, THEIR REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION MM-HMM. . HMM. YES. I I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF CONCERNING TO ME. WE HAVE DOTTED OUR I'S AND CROSSED OUR T'S BY GOING FASTER VERSUS SLOWER IS THE LEAST GOVERNMENT THING I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. SO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. HOW WE CAN STILL HAVE OUR I'S AND T'S DOTTED IN A, IN A PROCESS IN WHICH WE ARE GOING FASTER. SO WHEN I'M, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING ALL THE SCHEDULING FOR THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THAT, WE HAVE ALL THOSE WORKED OUT. IF WE HAVE TO DELAY ALL THE OTHER PERMITS, THAT'S WHEN WE RISK SKIPPING A STEP ON ACCIDENT AND MESSING SOMETHING UP, WHICH WE WANT TO AVOID. UH, WE'LL DO OUR VERY BEST TO NOT DO THAT. BUT WE ALREADY HAVE A SCHEDULE SET THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SHARED WITH EVERYBODY FROM, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPER AND TEAM AND AND STAFF. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD TRUE TO THAT AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. I, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY SO THAT ALL OF US WEREN'T IN THIS POSITION? IT SEEMS THAT THEY WEREN'T PREPARED SOMEHOW TO BE IN THIS PROCESS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UM, AND GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM AND, UM, AND SO WE'VE, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPER, I'LL SAY THAT, BUT, UM, WE ARE NEARING THE FINISH LINE FROM STAFF REVIEW ON THE DOCUMENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND SO WE'RE GETTING, GETTING ONE LAST LOOK ON THE PUD THIS WEEK BEFORE WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING OUR COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN TO THEM AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO MAKE THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE PURSUING ON THIS, THAT THEY'RE PURSUING, UM, A GOOD PROJECT. SO, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS, UH, MOST OF THE TIME BEHIND THE SCENES THAT Y'ALL DON'T SEE, THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS A BIT OF A RUSH AT THE END, DEPENDING, REGARDLESS OF THE PROJECT TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. UM, AND IN THIS CASE SPECIFICALLY IT WAS, UH, THEY ASKED FOR THE DELAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T QUITE JUST HAVE ENOUGH TIME. SO WORKING ON THEIR SIDE, SO WITH THEIR LEGAL TEAM AND THEIR, AND THEIR FINANCIERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN BECAUSE WE'RE LEGALLY BOUND TO HEARING NOTICES AND OTHER PROFORMA KIND OF ACTIVITIES AND, AND, AND THEY'RE NOT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE IMPOSITION BECOMES OURS RATHER THAN THE, IT BEING PROPERLY THEIR BURDEN TO GET THEIR I'S DOTTED AND T'S COST. SO, UH, JUST AS A REACTION TO THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THINGS ARE VERY DEADLINE DRIVEN AND BECOME VERY URGENT, BUT EVEN THIS MEMO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, JUST SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE TAP DANCING FAST AND AREN'T READY FOR THE DANCE REALLY. AND THAT'S OF CONCERN TO ME THAT DEVELOPERS COME TO THE CITY AND HAVEN'T DONE THE, I MEAN HERE IN THIS MEMO IT EVEN SAYS WE WANT TO PULL OUT OF THE P N C BECAUSE WE NEED TO SIT AND WATCH A CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR WHAT? TO SEE WHAT THEIR DISCUSSION IS ABOUT. WHAT I MEAN TO, TO ME THAT'S LIKE, UH, WHAT DO WE NEED CHEAT NOTES TO DO THE, THE ACTIVITY? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POINT OF ALL THAT IS REALLY TO BE QUITE FRANK. UM, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, BE CAUGHT IN THE SAME DILEMMA OF, UH, GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE PRESSURE AND NOTING, UH, COMMISSIONER'S COMMENT ON I'S DOT AND T'S CROSSED THAT WE GET HURRIED AND THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN APPROPRIATELY, NOT JUST MEETING HEARING DEADLINES, BUT WE MAY MISS SOMETHING HERE. UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN GENERALLY SPEAKING. BUT, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CONCERNING THINGS I'VE SEEN TO OPEN THESE DOCUMENTS AND, AND, AND BE CONFRONTED WITH THIS QUITE FRANKLY. UM, I DON'T, AS A RESULT, IF WE DO SPEAK TO THIS NEXT WEEK, CAN WE, WE, CAN WE ACTUALLY WRAP THIS UP IN A REASONABLE TIME OR IS THERE GONNA BE MORE SURPRISES? IS THERE, IS MY QUESTION FROM THE, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE PUD ZONING? UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE, ON THE REQUEST LETTER RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, SO AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UM, THERE WAS A PUBLIC PRESENTATION FOR THIS PROJECT AND CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED FEEDBACK TO THEM FOR THEM TO BE UPDATING, UM, THEIR, THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT. UM, AND SO THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW AND, UM, LET'S SEE THE ADDITIONAL LIKE FORTH, RIGHT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE REQUEST COMES IN BECAUSE WE HAD TOLD, WE, [00:50:01] WE HAD LET THEM KNOW, WE GAVE 'EM THE SCHEDULE AND ALL THAT, UM, IT DID TAKE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TIME FOR THEM TO RESPOND TO COMMENTS AND ALSO COUNSEL'S REQUEST FOR UPDATING THE PROPOSAL. AND SO THEY, THAT'S THEM TELLING US RIGHT THERE THAT THEY WERE NOT GONNA MAKE THE DEADLINE FOR THIS MEETING. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE, WHEN WE COORDINATED WITH HIM AS WELL, THAT WE WERE GONNA BE RECOMMENDING A POSTPONE TO THE 8 29 MEETING. SO WE HAD BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH HIM ACTUALLY PRETTY WELL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SETH? OKAY, SO WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS ITEM. I'LL MAKE A MOTION I GUESS. UM, THE MOTION WILL BE TO POSTPONE CONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM SEVEN A TO THE AUGUST 29TH, 2023 SPECIAL CALLED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR ANKIN AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR DELORE. THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEM TILL AUGUST 29TH. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES. SO BECAUSE THIS, AS WE SAY THIS, THIS PROJECT IS PUBLIC NOW. YEAH, I WILL SAY I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT WHEN A LARGE COMPANY IS ASKING US FOR T'S MONEY, UM, THAT THEY WOULD THEN PUT US IN THIS SITUATION WHILE I'M GONNA VOTE YES TO POSTPONE IT, I'M ALSO NOT COMMITTING TO NOT POSTPONE IT NEXT TIME. IF WE DON'T GET THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEED OR COMMITMENT THAT WE NEED FROM THIS COMPANY TO ACTUALLY DO BUSINESS APPROPRIATELY IN OUR CITY. LIKE THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. WE SHOULD NOT BE PUT IN THIS SITUATION, BUT WE ARE ASKING WHAT IS, WHAT IS OUR LEGAL RECOURSE OF WHERE WE ARE AT AS MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? WE SHOULD NOT FEEL PUSHED AROUND. AND I THINK THERE IS A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SENTIMENT OF THAT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED BEFORE THAT VOTE HAPPENS. IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN COMPANIES COME TO THIS COMMUNITY, THEY COMMIT TO BEING OUR BEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE MIGHT DISAGREE ON THE COLOR OF, YOU KNOW, CRUNCH FITNESS, BUT WE DON'T DISAGREE ON THAT. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS BEING THE BEST MEANS, PLAYING BY THE RULES THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR CITIZENS EFFECTIVELY TO GET FEEDBACK EFFECTIVELY AND TO COME TO THIS MEETING FEELING PREPARED. SO I WILL BE VOTING FOR IT, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD BY THE MEMBERS OF THE COMPANY, THE MEMBERS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. THANK YOU. YES, I AGREE WITH THOSE SENTIMENTS A HUNDRED PERCENT AND REALLY COULDN'T IMPROVE UPON, IMPROVE UPON THEM. I THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, A BUSY ENVIRONMENT IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT, UH, THIS IS ONE PROJECT THAT'S COME BEFORE US THAT, UH, HAS LEFT ME WITH A, UH, UH, A STRANGE, UH, UH, AN UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING ABOUT, UH, HOW THIS HAS COME ABOUT. SO I WOULD AGREE TO A POSTPONEMENT, BUT, UH, UH, REALLY THIS NEEDS SCRUTINY AND I HOPE WE'RE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO REALLY GIVE THIS FAIR CONSIDERATION. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PUD HERE. UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME MINOR ZONING CHANGE AND TO ME THAT'S QUITE IMPORTANT AND WE COULD WIND UP WITH SOME SERIOUS DISADVANTAGES THE WAY THIS IS ALL HAPPENING. UM, SO AT ANY RATE, UM, I WOULD, UH, AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER BUT ALSO SAY, I WILL VOTE TO POSTPONE. OKAY. SO I, UM, I'LL CHIME IN THAT I DID WATCH THE COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK WHERE THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE IT COME BEFORE US AND TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S A, A REALLY INTERESTING PROJECT AND I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD ON IT FOR SOME TIME, SO, UM, I AM, I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE SEEN IT TO TODAY, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAD TO TAKE SOME COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL LAST WEEK THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE READY BY THE TIME WE HAD, UM, OUR AGENDAS, YOU KNOW, SHARED ON FRIDAY. SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE AND, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GUARANTEE OF COURSE THAT NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO COME TO A DECISION AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T DELAY THINGS DOWN THE ROAD, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A TIGHT SCHEDULE, BUT I'M EXCITED FOR THIS ONE. SO THAT'S IT FOR ME. OKAY, SO, UM, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TO POSTPONE CONSIDERATION OF ITEM SEVEN A TO THE AUGUST 29TH, 2023 SPECIAL CALLED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES FOR ZERO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT, A DISCUSSION ONLY REGARDING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUEST [00:55:01] FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY ITEMS TO BE REQUESTED? NO. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER NINE, STAFF REPORT. ITEM NINE, A [A.  Staff Report by Will Atkinson, Director of Planning] STAFF REPORT. DOES STAFF HAVE A REPORT FOR THE COMMISSION? UH, A FEW ITEMS. UH, WILL ATKINSON FOR THE RECORD, UM, WE HAVE THE UPCOMING, UH, STATE CONFERENCE IN NOVEMBER. AS WE STATED LAST TIME, UH, AS AT THIS MOMENT I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD ANY, UH, FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THEY ARE GOING TO ATTEND OR NOT. WE DO NEED THAT VERY QUICKLY. UH, SO PLEASE CONFIRM WITH US VIA EMAIL. UM, IN AN IDEAL SITUATION WE WOULD LIKE IT BY THE END OF THE WEEK. UM, AND SO THAT WAY WE CAN, UH, GET ALL THAT, UH, ROLLING FROM OF SCHEDULING, GET YOU BOOKED ON HOTEL ROOMS AND ALL THAT KIND OF FUN STUFF THAT ARE RELATED TO THE CONFERENCE. UM, WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH INTERNALLY, UH, THE REQUESTS FROM Y'ALL FOR THE M X D LOT SIZING AND WHAT HAVE YOU. UH, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH SOME, UH, SOME ARCHITECTURE FIRMS TO SEE IF THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOME TO HELP US OUT, KIND OF DO SOME QUICK SKETCHUPS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT WE'RE RUNNING INTO A BIT OF A WALL THERE, SO WE ARE WORKING ON IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT AND, UM, BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR AN EMAIL REGARDING TIMING OF THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR RECONSIDERATION ON, ON THE AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU JUST VOTED ON FOR NEXT TUESDAY, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE'RE SCHEDULING IT AROUND THE MEETING OF THE COMP ENHANCEMENT PLAN AS WELL. SO, UM, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT AFTER. UM, I'M HOPING TO LEAN TOWARDS BEFORE, UM, DEPE, BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT Y'ALL'S SCHEDULES ARE, SO I'LL BE SHOOTING OUT AN EMAIL FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. I, I JUST DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO BE EXHAUSTED AFTER THE, THE COMP PLAN, DRAFT DISCUSSION TO DO AFTERWARDS. SO, UM, BUT I WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON, ON, ON THE, THE WHAT TIME WE WANT TO HAVE THAT MEETING. SO, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. AWESOME. WELL, ITEM NUMBER 10, ADJOURNMENT. AS WE'VE COMPLETED ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR MEETINGS AGENDA, THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.