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WE'LL SELL YOU WATER.[I. Call Meeting to Order]
WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING, SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE CITY COUNCIL'S PORTION, AND COMMISSIONER UNIN IS GONNA OPEN UP THE P AND Z'S PORTION.TIME IS 6:37 PM IT IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH, AND I'M GONNA CALL THIS SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
TO ORDER WITH THE CITY SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL ROLL MITCHELL.
WE HAVE A QUORUM COMMISSIONER.
TODAY IS STILL TUESDAY, AUGUST 29TH, AND THE TIME IS 6:37 PM AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? KIN HERE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS CITIZEN COMMENTS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? SEEING NONE.
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Discussion between the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council regarding the draft 2030 Comprehensive Plan submitted by Verdunity, the City's Comprehensive Planning Firm. ~ Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
]COMMENTS, PERIOD.NEXT UP IS CONSIDERING POSSIBLE ACTION DISCUSSION BETWEEN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL REGARDING DRAFT 2030 COMP PLAN SUBMITTED BY VERITY.
ALL RIGHT, UH, WILL ATKINSON, THE RECORD DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
UH, SO FOR TONIGHT, THIS IS A JOINT WORKSHOP BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM Y'ALL.
PROVIDE COMMENTS FROM Y'ALL, UH, THAT WE ARE GONNA TAKE NOTE OF, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS HERE.
UM, UH, KAYLA SHARPE, OUR CITY PLANNER, IS GONNA BE KEEPING NOTES FOR THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'LL MAKE.
THIS WILL ALSO BE RECORDED, AND SO WE CAN GO BACK AND JUST FURTHER REFINE THOSE AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO PLUG THOSE INTO THE SPREADSHEET.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS DRAFT PLAN, UM, PLEASE HAVE THEM TO US OR INCLUDE THEM ON THE SPREADSHEET THAT'S ON THE DOCUMENT.
UM, BY NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER THE FIRST, AFTER THAT POINT, UM, THE, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, WE HAVE COLLECTED ARE GONNA GO OVER TO VIRGINITY, AND THIS IS THE TIME TO PROVIDE THOSE, BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS BACK IN FRONT OF Y'ALL, IT'LL BE THE FOLLOW-UP DOCUMENT AND BEING CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO TONIGHT WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PRESENTATION AND, UM, SOME GOALS FOR TONIGHT.
UH, STARTING OUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN WHERE STAFF IS ON THAT, UH, WORKING THROUGH THE DRAFT COMP PLAN, CHAPTER BY CHAPTER TO ASK QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE COMMENTS, AND THEN PROVIDE DIRECTION ON ADOPTION FOR THE TIMELINE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO JUST, UH, A BRIEF HISTORY ON THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, IN DECEMBER OF 2022, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL VOTED BOTH VOTED TO DISAPPROVE THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE EDITS.
AND AS A, AS A, AN EXTENSION OF THAT, IN FEBRUARY OF 2023, UH, THE CITY, ESSENTIALLY STAFF AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE TO COLLECT ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT PLAN.
AND BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK FROM FROM P C COUNCIL AND THE OPEN HOUSE AND THE COUNCIL VISIONING WORKSHOP, UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY MAKING EDITS TO THE PLAN.
UH, WE INTEND TO BRING IT BACK AT A P C WORKSHOP IN LATE SEPTEMBER AND, UH, ADOPT IT CONCURRENTLY OR EVEN POSSIBLY BEFORE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON OCTOBER 24TH.
ALTHOUGH IT'S STARTING, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND THE SAME TIME.
WILL, DO YOU WANNA STOP SHARING? OH, YEAH.
IT'S, WE NEED TO STOP SHARING AND THEN START SHARING AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION.
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WE'RE WORKING ON IT.WILL, SO JUST KEEP GOING OKAY.
WITH THE PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO ADJUST IT AS WE GO FORWARD.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S DOING IT.
SO CHAPTER ONE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE INTRODUCTION.
UH, THIS COVERS THE BASICS, WHY WE NEED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHO'S INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, HOW THE PROCESS WORKS, UH, HOW TO USE THE PLAN, PROVIDING CONTEXT BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS, DEMOGRAPHICS, ET CETERA.
ESSENTIALLY, THE FOUNDATION OF THE PLAN, AND IT SETS THE CITY UP FOR A SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION.
SO THERE ARE FOUR BASIC, UH, PRINCIPLES TO THIS, UM,
UM, AND THEN THE PRIMARY DECISION MAKING PRINCIPLES THAT WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE.
UH, THE FIRST ONE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, SECOND ONE BEING, UH, INNOVATIVE AND SHOWING NEW IDEAS.
THE THIRD ONE BEING ECONOMIC, UH, HAVING ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.
AND WE WANT THE FOURTH ONE BEING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, WHENEVER WE HAD OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, THE RESIDENTS WERE ENCOURAGED TO GIVE ALL THESE, ALL THIS INPUT THAT WE HAD, UH, FOR THESE PRINCIPLES AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE APPLIED.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S CHAPTER ONE.
DOES, HAS, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER, UM, THE, UH, CHAPTER ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT? OR ANY CLARIFICATIONS NEEDED OR ANY, ANYTHING REALLY? THEN THE FLOOR IS OPEN.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO CHAPTER TWO.
WE HAVE THE LAND USE FISCAL ANALYSIS, UH, ESTABLISHES A BASELINE, UH, ANALYSIS FOR THE CITY TO WORK FROM.
UH, PART OF THIS ANALYSIS WAS INCORPORATING THE CITY'S CURRENT BUDGET, IDENTIFYING FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE GROWTH SCENARIOS AND MUCH MORE.
THIS IS, UH, MY, MY FAVORITE PART OF THE COMP PLAN, BY THE WAY, AS IT'S DRAFTED.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE REASON WHY WE CHOSE, UH, VIRGINITY TO COME HERE AND, AND OR RECOMMENDED THEM.
AND Y'ALL CHOSE THEM FOR THE CONTRACT BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY NOT ONLY, UH, PROVIDES, UH, SUSTAINABLE, UH, SERVICES TO THE, THE, TO THE CITIZENS, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE A A PLACE FOR EVERYONE TO LIVE IN VARIOUS FORMS AND JUST MAKE THIS JUST A FANTASTIC COMMUNITY.
SO EXAMPLES OF FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE INFILL, UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, MODIFYING BLOCKS.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN INFILL BLOCK THAT'S, UM, ACTUALLY JUST A COUPLE BLOCKS NORTH OF HERE ACTUALLY.
SO IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES.
UM, GOT IN THE GREEN, YOU GOT THE EXISTING HOUSES IN THE, UH, THE DARK BROWN AND EXCELLENT.
I THINK THAT LOOKS A LOT BETTER NOW, ACTUALLY.
I'M GONNA STOP SHARING HERE REAL QUICK.
UM, IN THE, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
IN THE BRIGHT BLUE, WE GOT AN EXAMPLE OF A DUPLEX.
BROWN HAS A COTTAGE STACKED DUPLEXES IN THE PURPLE AND ADUS OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE RED.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, DWELLING SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE.
BUT THE IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW IS THAT THEY CAN ALL BE INCORPORATED ON A SINGLE BLOCK IF NECESSARY, OR IF IT'S UP TO THE LANDOWNER, IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT AND PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL CONTEXT AND SCALE TO THE SITE, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY, WE WANT EVERYTHING TO FEEL APPROPRIATE.
OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A GREENFIELD SITE NEXT TO A HOMETOWN, KYLE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT AN ACTUAL, UH, PROJECT THAT'S COME TO US JUST AS A HEADS UP
BUT, UM, IN, IN BOTH CASE SCENARIOS, UH, THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A NET POSITIVE BENEFIT TO THE CITY FROM, UH, FROM A CASH FLOW PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO, UM, THE ONE ON THE LEFT, YOU HAVE ABOUT, UH, $800 YEARLY NET REVENUE.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL $123,000 COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? IT'S NOT, THERE WE GO.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHAPTER TWO? ANY COMMENTS, ANY FEEDBACK? YEAH, WILL, I GOT A, A QUESTION ABOUT ON PAGE, UH, 49, THERE'S A STUDY CALLED DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND STREET REPLACEMENT COSTS.
AND IT'S GOT, UH, AND IT PAINTS A REALLY DIRE PICTURE.
IT SAYS, WE'RE SPENDING THREE, 3.7 MILLION ON MAINTENANCE AND WE NEED TO BE SPENDING, OR WILL BE NEEDING TO BE SPENDING 17.9 MILLION,
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WHICH IS 14.2 MILLION SHORTFALL.BUT THE NUMBERS ARE BASED HERE ON A REPLACEMENT COST OF 750,000 PER 11 FOOT LANE MILE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, ON, UH, AVERAGE 20 YEARS, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A 20 YEAR, UH, LIFECYCLE FOR STREETS, IS THAT BASED ON LIKE NATIONAL AVERAGES OR IS THIS FIGURES EXTRACTED FROM KYLE ITSELF, OR DO YOU KNOW? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
UM, SO WE, MOST OF OUR STREETS HERE IN KYLE ARE, ARE ASPHALT.
IN FACT, I'M NOT SURE IF WE EVEN HAVE A CONCRETE STREET ANYWHERE INSIDE THE CITY.
AND THE TYP, A TYPICAL LIFESPAN OF THAT IS ABOUT 20 YEARS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, VIRGINITY DID WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORK STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE NUMBERS MADE SENSE WHEN THEY DID THEIR CALCULATIONS.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS A FAIRLY ACCURATE NUMBER.
IS THERE ANY LAND IN THE CITY OF KYLE THAT VIRGINITY HAS DEEMED NOT BUILDABLE OR SHOULD BE JUST LEFT AS GREEN SPACE IN THE, UM, IN THE UPCOMING CHAPTER? THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, PORTIONS OF IT.
THERE'S, UH, AREAS WHERE WE SHOULD FOCUS OUR GROWTH AND AREAS WHERE WE SHOULD AS YOU GET FURTHER OUT FROM THE PERIPHERY, UH, TO FURTHER RESTRICT OUR GROWTH.
NOW, SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, AND ALSO BY THE WAY, LIKE FLOOD PLAIN, UM, AREAS WE CAN IDENTIFY AS PARKS AND WHATEVER, OR AS WELL, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SOMETHING ELSE TO KEEP IN MIND.
THERE ARE, UM, EVEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR IN OUR E T J, UM, THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, OUT NEAR THE BLANCO RIVER, WHERE WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WE HAVE THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T CATCH EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT FLUID WHERE WE ARE REQUIRED TO BE OR WE'RE ALLOWED TO BE A LITTLE BIT TOO.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THANK YOU.
QUESTION ON THE LEVEL THREE ANALYSIS ON PAGE 53.
UM, I KNOW THAT THEY WERE DOING THIS CALCULATION WITH THE BEST DATA AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, BUT LOOKING AT THE MAP, IT'S QUITE CLEAR THAT SOME OF THESE AREAS WERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME THESE ESTIMATES WERE MADE, AND THEY WILL NOT OF COURSE, BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE 20 YEAR PERIOD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE COULD MAYBE ESTIMATE WHAT THE, THE NUMBERS WOULD BE IN SOME OF THOSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENTS SO THAT WE GET A MORE ACCURATE LEVEL THREE ANALYSIS? LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, PLUM CREEK NORTH LOOKS LIKE PRETTY RED, RED ON THE LEVEL THREE ANALYSIS, BUT THAT'LL BE PRODUCTIVE TO SOME CAPACITY SOON.
WHAT I ANTICIPATE, I'LL SAY THIS, UH, FIRST OFF, IS COMPARED TO THE, UH, EXISTING PORTION OF THE PLUM CREEK NORTH THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, UM, THE, UM, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COME IN, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I SUSPECT THAT FIRST SECTION THAT IS SHOWN THERE IS ACTUALLY, IT'S PROBABLY LOTS THAT ARE PLATTED BUT HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT YET, OR HAD COS BECAUSE THE, UH, BY AND LARGE, THE CITY OF KYLE, THE WAY IT'S DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS IS WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A, WE'VE HAD A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT IT WOULD BE A LOT OF PEOPLE CONSIDER HIGHER DENSITY.
AND SO THAT DOES PROVIDE AN, A, GENERALLY A NET BENEFIT BACK TO THE CITY VERSUS, UM, SERVICES PROVIDED.
AND THE LOTS UP THERE IN PLUM CREEK NORTH ARE, UM, WOULD PROBABLY BE GREEN IF WE DID IT RIGHT NOW, IN THAT FIRST PHASE, I WOULD ANTICIPATE MM-HMM.
I DON'T HAVE, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, UM, WORK ON IS TO FIGURE OUT A, A SPREADSHEET ON FIGURING OUT FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY ON A PER PROJECT BASIS.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE REACHING OUT TO A COUPLE CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS AHEAD OF US TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
SO WE CAN, AT THAT POINT, ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE CITY FOR THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO INPUT, THEN WE CAN TAKE IN NEW SECTIONS OF SUBDIVISIONS AND SEE IF THEY'RE BEING FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO UPDATE LEVEL THREE ANALYSIS.
WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH, THIS DRAFT COMP PLAN.
'CAUSE UM, 'CAUSE IT IS, WHILE WE WANT TO BE AS FLUID WITH THE DOCUMENT AS POSSIBLE AND UPDATE ACCORDINGLY, UH, IN THIS SPECIFIC MAP, THIS IS PROVIDING, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF A SNAPSHOT OF THE PICTURE OF KYLE IN ITS DEVELOPMENT FORMS AT THAT TIME, WHICH WAS A FEW MONTHS BACK.
SO IT'S, IT, IT GOES TO PAGE, THE ONE, I'M SORRY, I'M A COUPLE BEHIND.
UH, IT'S THE, THE SLIDE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THAT COMPARES SOME OF, UH,
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HOMETOWN KYLE OFF OF CENTER STREET AND STAGE COACH TO THAT UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF LAND, UH, ON OLD STAGE COACH.WHERE ON, I GUESS THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S HOMETOWN, KYLE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A NET LOSS, UH, TO THE CITY BASED ON THE, UH, THE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
WHAT I SEE IN THAT SECTION OF HOMETOWN, KYLE, IT'S NOT A LOT OF PARKS, BUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU WHERE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME SINGLE FAMILY WITH ADUS, LIVEWORK UNITS, YOU KNOW, QUAD PLEXES AND THINGS, I, I COUNT SIX PARKS, UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR CONCEPT.
SO MY, I I WHAT I'M, MY UNDERSTANDING OF VIRGINITY AND WHAT THEY'RE AFTER AS WELL AS JUST GENERAL STRONG TOWN'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE MODEL IS THAT YOU TRADE DENSITY, UH, FOR GREEN SPACE.
AND SO WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT AN ACRE AND YOU COULD BUILD, UH, LOW DENSITY, WHICH MIGHT BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF FIVE OR SIX UNITS ON AN ACRE WITH NO PARK SPACE, BASICALLY, INSTEAD OF PARKS, EVERYONE'S GETTING YARDS.
THE THE TRADE IS TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW, YOU KNOW, EIGHT OR 10 UNITS, UH, PER ACRE OR EVEN POTENTIALLY MORE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU BUILD OVER THE ENTIRE THING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO GO VERTICAL SO THAT WE CAN HAVE COMMON AREA GREEN SPACE THAT EVERYONE CAN USE, WHICH IS WHAT, TO ME, THE VISION ON THE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SIGNIFIES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR CODE THAT IS, THAT TAKES DENSITY IN EXCHANGE FOR GREEN SPACE INTO ACCOUNT, WHICH KIND OF GOES TO MAYBE WHAT COUNCILMAN FLORES KE WAS TRYING TO GET AT, WHICH IS THIS IDEA OF, IT'S GREAT TO SAY DENSITY IS PROFITABLE, BUT IF YOU'RE BUILDING DENSELY ACROSS EVERY SINGLE SQUARE INCH OF YOUR TOWN, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CREATING, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY A VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND YOU'RE ALSO DIMINISHING YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO IS THERE A CONSIDERATION THAT VIRGINITY IS MADE, UH, FOR SOMETHING POTENTIALLY IN OUR CODE, WHEREAS IF WE GIVE OUT, I KNOW THERE'S PARKLAND DEDICATION THAT'S REQUIRED WHEN WE GIVE RESIDENTIAL ZONING, BUT IS IT BASED ON THE TYPE OF ZONING, THE TYPE OF DENSITY THAT WE GIVE? AND IF NOT, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD INTO THIS MODEL SO THAT WE GET THE GREEN SPACE IF WE'RE GIVING THE DENSITY? SO AS IT RELATES TO DENSITY CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE, THE ANSWER IS NO.
HOWEVER, IN OUR SUBDIVISION CODE, IN OUR ZONING CODE, WE USE WHAT WE CALL THE RESIDENTIAL STYLE GUIDE, WHICH REQUIRES, UM, NOT ONLY DO DOES A, A SUBDIVISION SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX SUBDIVISION OR ANY RESIDENTIAL ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY $1,500 PER, UM, PER DWELLING UNIT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, ON THE FLIP SIDE, THEY CAN ALSO DEDICATE LAND OR MAKE PARK IMPROVEMENTS IN LIEU OF THAT $1,500 IF THERE'S AN AREA IDENTIFIED ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
BUT, BUT THEY DON'T, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL STYLE GUIDE, WHICH IN ADDITION TO THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A PARKLET, AT LEAST A, A QUARTER ACRE IN SIZE, UH, WITHIN A A, A FOUR TO FIVE MINUTE WALK OF ALMOST EVERY RESIDENCE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
SO, BUT MY POINT IS THE RESIDENTIAL STYLE GUIDE GUIDE, WHICH REQUIRES THE POCKET PARKS WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WALKING DISTANCE, WHICH WE PUT IN THERE, WHICH HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL, IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DENSITY.
WE DON'T HAVE DENSITY BONUSES CODE, BUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS COMP PLAN IS SAYING THAT DENSITY IS THE WAY TO LOWER THE ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, COST, YOU KNOW, PER SQUARE FOOT FOR DWELLING.
SO ALLOW FOR MORE AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING AND ALSO TO BE MORE PROFITABLE OR, UH, SUSTAINABLE LONG-TERM FROM THE STANDPOINT OF MAINTENANCE AND ONGOING OBLIGATIONS FOR THE CITY.
BUT THE FACTOR THAT I'M NOT HEARING IS, UH, THE GREEN SPACE WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT FOR PARKLAND, THE MORE DENSE THAT YOU BUILD, THE MORE LAND WITHIN YOUR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE DEDICATED TO PARKLAND.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER IF WE DO.
IS THAT, IS IT, ARE, ARE THERE OTHER CITIES THAT, THAT HAVE SUCH A, A, SUCH A, YOU KNOW, CODE? I DON'T KNOW.
SO, BUT WE CAN PUT THAT AS A, AS A NOTE FOR WHEN WE DO OUR CODE REWRITE.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT SUM OF MONEY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET COMING UP FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE ARE OPEN FOR IDEAS AT THE SAME TIME.
IF THERE'S A WAY THAT, THAT, UM, WE CAN ADJUST OUR CODE OR REWRITE OUR CODE, THAT HELPS, UH, UH, FOLLOW UP ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE COMP PLAN.
SO, SO TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE RIGHT NOW TO WHERE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND MAKE A DEVELOPMENT, THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT RES THERE'S NOTHING THAT RESTRICTION THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE POCKET
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PARKS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.THEY COULD JUST, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE, ELIMINATE THEM FROM JUST BUILDING STRAIGHT OUT HOUSES.
WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CERTAIN, UH, AREAS WHERE WE COULD DEDICATED AS PARKLAND, RIGHT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THINKING CODE THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT.
IT'S LIKE IF THE MORE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT YOU REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER TO CONSTRUCT, THE MORE THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE THAT MUST BE DEDICATED TO PARKLAND.
THE ONLY ANSWER THERE IS VERTICAL, RIGHT? SO LIKE, IF YOU HAVE AN ACRE AND WE'RE SAYING, ALL RIGHT, WE WANT YOU, AND TYPICALLY MAYBE IT'S FIVE UNITS, WHICH IS TWO TENTHS OF AN ACRE PER LOT THAT YOU KNOW, OF NET BUILDABLE AREA THAT PEOPLE, AND THEY WANNA DO IT HORIZONTALLY.
EV THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE WANTING TOWN HOMES, THEY'RE WANTING, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES, CONDOS, MULTIFAMILY, AND WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL, AS OPPOSED TO THE BASE ZONING, WHICH IS THE LOW DENSITY ZONING THAT LETS YOU BUILD OVER EVERYTHING MINUS ALL THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, FLOODPLAIN ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
YES, WE'LL LET YOU BUILD, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, 20 UNITS IN AN ACRE, BUT, UH, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD ON HALF THE ACRE.
SO THE OTHER HALF OF AN ACRE HAS TO BE AN OPEN GREEN SPACE.
SO IT'S LIKE IT, THE MORE DENSITY THAT YOU WANT, THE MORE GREEN SPACE YOU HAVE TO HAVE, WHICH JUST LENDS ITSELF TO VERTICALITY CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT I, THAT'S WHAT I SEE, THIS COMP PLAN, THAT'S THE ARGUMENT.
I THINK IT'S TRYING TO MAKE MORE GREEN SPACE, BUT MORE DENSITY ALL AT THE SAME TIME, LOWER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ONLY DEVELOPING INFRASTRUCTURE TO A SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF AN ACRES DEVELOPMENT.
AND YET THEY GET, THEY, THEY, THE QUALITY OF LIFE STILL GOES UP BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF OF THE ACRE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO WE, ARE WE COMPARING IT LIKE PLUM CREEK VERSUS HOMETOWN KYLE? YEP.
HOWEVER, SPELLED IT'S PLUM CREEK VERSUS HOMETOWN KYLE.
I HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT SETS THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE, DEPENDING ON THE ACRE BILLABLE UNITS.
CORRECT? WE, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE, AND YOU'RE MENTIONING IS IF WE, WHEN WE ARE GROWING VERTICALLY, WE ARE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR DENSITY IN PEOPLE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD ADD TO THAT? AND WHEN WE ARE DOING THIS, THE GREEN SPACE, IS IT DETERMINED BY THE DEVELOPER THAT THAT WILL HAVE TO PUT IT, OR WHEN THEY PAY TO OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, THAT PARK DEDICATION FEE, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, IS THERE ANY REQUIRED NUMBER OF ACRES PER VERTICAL UNIT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? OR IS THAT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE? SO THE, THE WAY IT CURRENTLY WORKS RIGHT NOW, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY IS, UM, SAY SOMEONE COMES IN AND WANTS TO DEVELOP A HUNDRED ACRES MM-HMM.
AND, UM, THEY SAID, I WANNA PUT 500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN HERE MM-HMM.
SO THE FIRST THING WE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD CALCULATE IS $1,500 TIMES 500.
UM, BUT THEN AS WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, MAYBE IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A GREENWAY DEDICATED TO AS A CITY PARK OR A, OR A PARK THERE, UM, OF SOME SORT.
SO IF THE, IF THEN IF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN SHOWS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PARK ON THAT SITE OR SOMEWHERE CLOSE BY, AND THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT, THEN WE START WORKING WITH THEM TO SAY, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE, THE, THE PARKS BOARD MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO Y'ALL AT CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THEY'LL SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA BE DEDICATING FIVE ACRES OUT OF THE A HUNDRED FOR THIS PARK, AND WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS A, B, AND C TO IT.
AND THE VALUE OF THAT PARKLAND DEDICATION PLUS THE VALUE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, WE COMPARE THAT TO WHAT THEY WOULD'VE PAID FOR IN THE PARK.
SOMETIMES THE VALUE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING INTO IT, AND THE DEDICATION COMPLETELY GOES ABOVE THAT FEE.
UM, SOMETIMES, UH, THEY GET A CREDIT BACK TO SOME EXTENT TOO.
SO IT, IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINATION OF DISCUSSION WITH STAFF TAKING TO THE PARK SUPPORT AND THEY'RE BRINGING IT TOGETHER.
BUT IF THERE'S NOT AN AREA IDENTIFIED AS A PUBLIC PARK, AND I'M IN LIKE A CITY MAINTAINED PARK, IF YOU WILL, THEN THEY GENERALLY JUST PAY THE $1,500 PER UNIT.
BUT THAT BEING THE CASE FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX ZONING MM-HMM.
SHE, IF YOU WILL, YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO WALK IN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE MINUTES TO IT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ARE BUILDING, UH, LIKE VERTICALLY, IS IT, IS THERE ANY SHIFT ON, OR
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ANY CHANGES SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BUILDING IN CERTAIN ACREAGE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE MORE UNITS GOING UP, OR HOW ARE WE DOING THAT? IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE ON THE PARK? LIKE THE DEDICATION FEE FOR VERTICAL UNITS? NO.SO A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, THEY WOULD MOST LIKELY BE PAYING THE $1,500 PER UNIT.
UH, THEY WOULDN'T DO A POCKET PARK NECESSARILY.
THEY MAY HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER WITH THEM.
THE ONLY TIME THAT THEY WOULD DEDICATE LAND FOR A PUBLIC PARK OR, UM, OR A, UH, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO A PUBLIC PARK AS IF IT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN, BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY WILL STILL BE PAYING FOR UNITS.
SO IF I HAVE A SEVEN STORY BUILDING WITH 10 UNITS PER STORY, THEY WILL BE PAYING 1500 EACH.
IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL USE, THEN YOU WILL BE, BUT WE DON'T TRADE.
WE DON'T, BUT WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO, WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID IS HAVING DEVELOPERS JUST PAY THE FEE AS OPPOSED TO INCORPORATING THE GREEN SPACE IS, WHICH IS WHAT I'M ASKING NOW.
ARE WE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE AS IF WE ARE COLLECTING THE FEE? ARE WE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF GREEN SPACES IN THE CITY OF KYLE FOR THESE UNITS? NOT JUST TAKING THE MONEY, BUT LIKE, HOW ARE WE RETURNING THAT TO THE CITY AS AN AMENITY? SO IN THE CASES WHERE IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, WE COLLECT THE MONEY MM-HMM.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SET SAYING THERE SHOULD BE A PERCENTAGE OF GREEN SPACE FOR THOSE UNITS OR FOR AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE COLLECTING.
I DON'T WANNA KEEP JUST LIKE BUILDING A PO YOU KNOW, A POT OF GOLD.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE, IF, IF THE PARK MASTER PLAN DOESN'T HAVE IT, THEN WE'RE JUST NOT ADDING GREEN, GREEN SPACE.
UM, SO ON THE RIGHT, UM, I LIKE THE GREEN SPACE I LIKE, BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS GONNA BE, IF I WANTED TO BE OLD SCHOOL AND I JUST WANTED A HOUSE WITH A BACKYARD, A GOOD SIZABLE BACKYARD, WHERE ON HERE WOULD I LIVE? ON THE, IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT? ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE? YES.
SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE A BACKYARD ON SOME OF THOSE UNITS.
UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ON THE, ON THE, OR A DUPLEX AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
THAT'S IT ULTIMATELY COMES DOWN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO BUILD ON THEIR LOT.
SO YOU COULD STILL DO THAT THERE.
UM, BUT THE, THE, THE GENERAL FOCUS IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC AMENITIES THAT ARE WITHIN AN, AN EASY WALKING DISTANCE FROM A, FROM A PARKLAND PERSPECTIVE.
AND THE ONE THAT YOU CAN ALSO, IF YOU NEED TO GO, UH, DOWN TO THE, TO THE STORE, YOU CAN GET DOWN THERE, YOU CAN RIDE A BIKE WALK AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
I BELIEVE THE, THE RED BUILDINGS THERE ON THE HARD CORNER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A COMMERCIAL OUT THERE IN THE BLUE AS WELL.
BUT THOSE ARE MORE LIVE WORK UNITS.
WELL, MY CONCERN IS, I, I CAN RESPECT THE IDEA OF HAVING DIFFERENT, UM, TYPES OF UNITS IN AN AREA, BUT WE'VE COMPLETELY BLOCKED OUT THE ABILITY TO HAVE A TRADITIONAL HOME.
AND SO I, AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO WALK, THE REALITY IS THERE MAY BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO OR PEOPLE WHO CANNOT.
THERE ARE MAY BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS TO BE PLAYING IN A PUBLIC PLACE.
AND ALTHOUGH IT'S SAFER AND IT'S MORE CONVENIENT, I CAN'T SAY THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO CATER TO EVERY PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO LIVE OR CHOOSES TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
SO HOW DO WE INTEGRATE THAT INTO THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LEAVE ANYBODY OUT? NOT THAT WE CAN COVER EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE LEAVING OUT IS A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF KYLE.
SO THIS COMP PLAN IS, IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE, UM, A FLEXIBLE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS.
'CAUSE WE, WE DO WANT EVERYBODY TO LIVE IN TOWN.
UH, WE WANT PEOPLE TO, TO START THEIR LIVES HERE AND LIVE THERE THE REST OF THEIR LIFE IF THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
AND THAT MEANS GOING FROM, THAT COULD BE FROM AN APARTMENT TO A TOWN HOME TO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
MAYBE THEY WANT TO GENERATE SOME INCOME IN RETIREMENT IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO FOR AN A D U IN THEIR BACKYARD.
UM, AND A LOT OF THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK ALREADY, THEY, IT DOES HAVE, IT CAN HAVE LARGER BACKYARDS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE IN THE CITY.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST COME THROUGH AND DEMOLISH A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
MY CONCERN IS NOT DEMOLISHING.
MY CONCERN IS AS WE MOVE FORWARD MM-HMM.
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AMENDMENTS.MAYBE THERE'S AN ASPECT OF IT WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, IN ANY DEVELOPMENT, GIVEN THE, MAYBE THERE'S A MINIMUM, UH, ACREAGE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT, OR FOUR DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPOLOGIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
DIFFERENT PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT STUFF WITH THEIR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION WILL, SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THE INTEGRATING INFILL PICTURE, SO THE CORNER LOT THAT HAS THE DUPLEXES OR THE STACK DUPLEXES CALL THAT A 10 PLEX, WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BRING A LOT OF VEHICLES TO THAT HARD CORNER.
SO THEN HOW DO YOU BALANCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE, BRINGING IT DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET, BUT NOW YOU'VE GOT ALL THE EXTRA VEHICLES SPECIFICALLY CONCENTRATED AT THAT CORNER LOT AREA, UM, WITHOUT BUILDING UP PARKING GARAGES OR IF IF PARKING GARAGES ARE PART OF THE SOLUTION IN THERE.
SO, UM, WHENEVER WE DO A CODE REWRITE, WE, YOU CAN'T IGNORE OUR CARS.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY WE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S GONNA BE INCORRECT.
SO EVERY, EVERY PLACE YOU LIVE, ALL THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE PARKING.
WHAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS IS WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST OUR PARKING BASED ON WHERE IT CAN BE ON SITE.
SO IN THIS CASE, IN DOWNTOWN, THERE'S ALREADY IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN, ALMOST ALL THE BLOCKS ARE PLATTED WITH, OR THEY'RE SUBDIVIDED WITH ALLEYS.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE 'EM BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER PAVED, BUT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO PAVE THOSE AND THEN HAVE PARKING OFF THE BACK OR IN A GARAGE OFF THE BACK.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR STREET PARKING AS WELL AS, AS STREETS GET REBUILT.
SO IN THE END, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE PARKING THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE, AND THEN WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE CODE, THEN THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A, MAYBE AS A BLOCK DEVELOPS, IT MAYBE GOES FROM YIELD SIGNS OUTTA A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION LIKE IT CURRENTLY DOES UP THERE AND IT GOES TO STOP SIGNS.
UM, AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AT KEY INTERSECTIONS THERE WILL BE LIGHTS OR ROUNDABOUTS IF THEY'RE NOT THERE ALREADY.
ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, CHAPTER TWO? ALL RIGHT.
UH, THIS PROVIDES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LAND USE AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, INCLUDING A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT CONTROLLED GROWTH AREAS AND AREAS WHERE GROWTH SHOULD BE BE RESTRICTED.
UM, LET'S SEE, FOR EACH SUBCATEGORY, UH, THERE'S A LOUD TYPOLOGIES AND THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TYPES, PLACE TYPES ARE PROVIDED.
UM, AS A NOTE, UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT INTERNALLY.
UM, WE WILL NEED FURTHER REFINEMENT OF ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS AND LAND USE EXAMPLES.
THIS IS A PRETTY, UH, GOOD START.
BUT, UH, AS PLANNERS WE'RE ALWAYS LIKE, OKAY, SO HOW DOES, WHAT, WHAT ARE THESE, WHAT ARE THE EXTERNALITIES HERE, HERE? HOW DO, HOW IS THIS GONNA BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTING THE COMMUNITY VERSUS ALSO THE POSITIVE? SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT NOTE.
SO Y'ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, GROWTH SECTORS MAP, AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE FOR THE INFILL AND ENHANCED, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY AROUND CENTRAL KYLE, AROUND CENTER STREET RIGHT NOW.
SO A LOT OF THE LOTS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A LITTLE BIT LARGER IN DOWNTOWN KYLE.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR TO PUT AN A D U IN THE BACKYARD OR MAKE 'EM INTO A TOWN HOME OR A SERIES OF TOWN HOMES ALONG A HALF BLOCK AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO, UH, INFILL FIRST.
UM, AND THEN CONTROLLED GROWTH TO BE IN THE YELLOW, WHICH IS THE REST OF THE EXISTING CITY THAT HAS, UH, IT'S LARGELY HAS SERVICE AREAS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER AND STREETS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
WE WANT TO DO OUR BEST, AS BEST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITHIN BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO DO IN THE RED TO RESTRICT GROWTH.
RESTRICTED GROWTH IS AREAS THAT ARE AT THEIR VERY EDGE OF OUR SERVICE AREAS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, EVEN ROADS TO SOME EXTENT, BUT MOSTLY WATER AND WASTEWATER.
SO WE DON'T GENERALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVE THEM VERY WELL FROM A WET UTILITY STANDPOINT.
SO THEY'RE ALMOST, IN MOST CASES, THEY'RE GONNA, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE GONNA BE ON SEPTIC, ESPECIALLY THOSE LARGER LOTS OUT ON, OUT ON THE BLANKER RIVER, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, SOMETIMES AROUND THE EAST SIDE.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT WATER PROVIDERS THAT ALSO HAVE, UH, POCKET WASTEWATER PLANS.
SO SOMETIMES THEY WILL HAVE WASTEWATER, BUT WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT EXTENDING OUR CITY SERVICES TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE'RE GOING BROKE DOING SO, WHICH IS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THIS PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHY IT GIVES US DIRECTION RIGHT HERE ON THIS GROWTH SECTOR MAP.
'CAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE CITY OR TO THE CITIZENS.
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WAS, WAS THAT OH, GOOD, SORRY.WELL, WAS THAT, UM, MIDDLE BOUNDARY? I GUESS THE LINE WAS THAT THE 35, UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 11? WAS THAT THE DIVIDING SECTION THAT, THAT, THAT GOES THROUGH THE CENTER? SO I 35 DOES GO THROUGH THE CENTER FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST.
UH, BUT THE, I GUESS, SO IS THIS A PICTURE OF 35 THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE CONTROLLED GROWTH? OH, OKAY.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? YEAH, I DID.
I WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT LINE REPRESENTED.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE, UH, 1626 GOING TO THE NORTH, UH, ONE 50 GOING FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST.
UH, ALSO BB ROAD ON THERE IS, GO AHEAD.
IS THE YELLOW AREA THEN CITY LIMITS ONLY AND THEN THE, THE RED OUTSIDE? NOT NECESSARILY.
SO WE PUT BOTH THE CITY LIMITS AND THE E T J ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S AT SOME POINT, UM, SOMETIMES WE DO ANNEXATIONS.
SOMETIMES IT'S, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S VOLUNTARY, UH, BASED ON THE LANDOWNER.
AND SO WE WANTED TO SHOW BOTH OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS ON THERE TO HAVE A MORE COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO OVER IN THE, IN THE FAR, UH, THE FAR WEST OVER BY SIX CREEKS, IT LOOKS LIKE A JUMBLE OF BLUE LINES THERE.
A GOOD CHUNK OF THAT IS IN THE CITY, BUT, UM, A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT IS NOT INSIDE THE CITY, BUT IT'S IN OUR AREA THAT WE COULD ANNEX IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF RIGHT THERE WHERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALONG THE EDGE OF OUR CITY WHERE WE'VE AGREED TO SERVE THEM.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE FLOODPLAIN, UH, A FLOODPLAIN MAP OVERLAID ON THERE.
SO YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHERE IT'S FURTHER RESTRICTED, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD A, A DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU WILL.
AND I WAS GONNA JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR USING SOME OF THOSE TERMS JUST A WHILE AGO.
THINGS LIKE THAT, KIND OF YOU'RE WELCOME.
KIND OF LOOKS LIKE WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS THE REGION OF THE CITY.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE LEGEND ON ALL OF THESE, BUT SORRY, I APPRECIATE THE LEGEND ON A LOT OF THESE.
CAN WE GET A BREAKOUT OF LIKE ACREAGE AND PERCENTAGE AS WELL WHEN WE SEE THESE? BECAUSE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH OF THE CITY IS IN EACH OF THE CATEGORIES.
AND I THINK THAT GOES WITH PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING IN CHAPTER, UH, THREE HERE.
SO ARE YOU WANTING A BREAKOUT OF EACH COLOR FOR BOTH INSIDE THE CITY AND IN THE E TGA? HOW MANY, HOW MANY ACRES PER YEAH.
ACREAGE AND PERCENTAGE AND CURRENTLY, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S OKAY.
AND IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING TO THE DOWNTOWN, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW HOW I THINK WE RAN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD SOMEBODY WANTING TO DEVELOP OR SELL A SPECIFIC LOT DOWNTOWN, BUT THE ZONING RAN INTO THE PERSON'S NEIGHBOR'S YARD AND IT WAS KIND OF MORE OF A ZIGZAG KIND OF A TRIANGLE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE DEEDS ARE FROM BACK IN THE 19 HUNDREDS OR YOU KNOW, WHERE A LOT OF THE STUFF, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY WAS JUST A SMALL LITTLE TOWN.
AND I WAS, AND WE'LL BE WORKING IDENTIFYING THOSE LITTLE PLOTS OF LAND AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH MAYBE THEY HAD SOME FAMILY MEMBER OR FAMILIES THAT OWNED THEM.
YOU, YOU KIND OF SEE WHERE I'M GETTING AT, WHERE I KNOW THAT LIKE, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL HEART OF THE CITY BACK THEN.
BUT AS WE GREW, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PLOTS OF LAND OR LITTLE HALF ACRES OR A QUARTER OF AN ACRE WITHIN THE STREETS AND SO FORTH THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY.
SO THAT WAY IF THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT WANTS TO COME, WE MAY END UP WITH FIVE FAMILY, OWN FAMILY OWNER, FIVE, FIVE FAMILY OWNERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE SITUATION WE HAD OVER THERE BY THE FIRE STATION? I THINK SOMEBODY WANTED TO UPGRADE OR BUILD, BUT THEN THEY REALIZED THAT THEY COULDN'T EXTEND THE HOUSE OUT BECAUSE THEIR YARD WAS AT A TRIANGLE AND IT BELONGED TO ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER THAT THEY COULDN'T, ANOTHER FAMILY THAT COULDN'T GET GET AHOLD OF.
BECAUSE I THINK OUR, OUR CITY, OUR TOWN IS, I THINK, I THINK MAYBE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GETTING AT THAT AS WE'RE STARTING TO, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THERE COULD BE LITTLE PLOTS OF LAND OR JUST LITTLE ALLEYWAYS THAT, UM, MAY BELONG TO THE CITY, MAY NOT.
AND IT'S JUST IDENTIFYING THOSE I THINK.
SO ARE YOU ASKING WHERE CAN WE BE FLEXIBLE? WHERE IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO BE FLEXIBLE? YES.
WITHIN OUR CODE, OUR FUTURE CODE, YES.
THAT WAY I THINK WE, THAT WAY IN THE YEARS TO COME, WE DON'T
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FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO COME IN OR IN, OR SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND BUILD SOMETHING THERE, LIKE A BUILDING OR WHATEVER.BUT WE END UP HAVING THREE LANDOWNERS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONE OF THEM'S MORE OF AT A SQUARE, ONE OF THEM'S AT A TRIANGLE AND ALL THAT.
I GUESS WE'RE UPDATING OUR MAP, KIND OF LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO SEE HOW MANY YOU SQUARE FEET OR HOW MANY YARDS OR MILES WE HAVE.
SO FROM, I, I THINK FROM THE, FROM WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, UM, THAT'S MORE OF A, FROM A, A FOLLOW UP CODE REWRITE WHERE WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
UM, VERSUS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A, JUST A LAR AN OVERALL, OVERALL LARGER PICTURE KIND OF IDEA.
AND THEN WE GET INTO THE DETAILS WHENEVER WITH A CODE REWRITE, THEN WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, I WANT DEVELOP LOT ONE OF BLOCK A, HOW DO I DO THIS? YES.
AND THEN WE CAN TALK WITH THEM ON A, ON A VERY SPECIFIC PROJECT BASIS.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GETTING AT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING AND, AND WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
UH, ANOTHER QUESTION, LOOKING AT THIS, UH, I'M ON PAGE 77, WHICH IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UM, I SEE IN HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, IT LOOKS TO BE SHADED AS IF IT IS TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN I GO TO PAGE 80, THERE'S GROSS SECTOR, UH, INFILL ENHANCE ON, ON WHERE THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS.
UM, I'M CURIOUS KIND OF HOW THIS INTERACTS WITH THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, UM, AND HOW THE THOUGHTS FROM THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UM, COHESIVE.
SO YOUR DEVELOPERS AREN'T SEEING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, OR EVEN HOMEOWNERS AREN'T SEEING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN THEY SEE THE MA DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND THEN THEY SEE THIS DOCUMENT.
MY COMPUTER IS SUPER SLOW AT THE MOMENT.
IS THAT, IS THAT A QUESTION YOU WANT ME TO RESPOND TO OR IS THAT A COMMENT FOR VIRGINITY TO, FOR, UM, MEAN I, IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS, I'M OPEN TO HEAR THEM.
TRADITIONAL, TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS, AND THEN YOU GOT THE GROWTH SECTOR MAP, YOU SAID.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THAT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT LITERALLY TO COUNTS LITERALLY AT THE SAME TIME, UM, LOOKS COHESIVE WITH THIS NEW PLAN.
I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME, I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S CONSISTENCY IN THOSE THINGS.
AND ALSO FOR PRESENTING THEM TOGETHER.
IF CITIZEN SEE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESSES IN THE SAME AREA, THEY MIGHT GET KIND OF CONFUSED.
SO, UM, INFILL, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CONCENTRATED AREA OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT'S IN GREEN DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN, UM, YOU ARE GONNA GO 10 STORIES OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
THERE, THERE MIGHT BE THE OCCASIONAL PARKING GARAGE RIGHT AROUND THE SQUARE, UM, WHERE, OR MAYBE YOU HAVE A THREE OR FOUR STORY VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDING.
I THINK IN THIS DOCUMENT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED WHAT WE WOULD CALL A FEW OVER WHERE YOU HAVE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL WITH UH, MAYBE SOME OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND A COUPLE OF, UH, MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
UM, BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE IN CONTEXT WITH WHAT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING TO Y'ALL NEXT MONTH, UH, BASED ON THE, UM, CITIZEN'S INPUT ON THAT BECAUSE, UM, UH, JUST A A, A BRIEF SNEAK PEEK OF THAT, UM, THAT THEY'RE WANTING A MORE TRADITIONAL LOOK FOR IT FROM AN ARCHITECTURE STANDPOINT.
THEY WANT AN APPROPRIATE LATE 18 HUNDREDS FEEL OF A DOWNTOWN.
AND, UM, IT, IT'LL, IT'LL NOT THAT WE WANT TO INTEGRATE IT AND IT'S GOING TO INTEGRATE INTO IT.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I THINK SO.
WELL, I'VE GOT, UM, A QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF THE CONTINUITY OF THE MAPS IN THIS SECTION.
SO ON PAGE 67, WHERE THEY HAVE THE LIMITED SERVICE AREAS MAP, UM, I SEE.
SO AREA ONE AND FIVE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, WHAT'S IT CALLED, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON PAGE 77, IT LOOKS LIKE AREA ONE AND FIVE, OR AT LEAST AREA ONE IS GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED AS TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE GROWTH SECTOR MAP ON 80, IT'S SHOWING RESTRICTED GROWTH FOR THAT SAME AREA.
THOSE ARE THE THREE MAPS I'M LOOKING AT.
I'M JUST SEEING WHAT LOOKS LIKE DIFFERENT STUFF.
SO WE'RE SAYING IN ONE AREA THERE'S NOT, THERE'S LIMITED SERVICE FOR THIS AREA, BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING WE WANT IT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING WE WANT IT RESTRICTED GROWTH, WHICH IS WHERE YOU DON'T ADD ANY NEW STUFF THERE UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES YOU MIGHT, BUT NOT GENERALLY.
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SO IN AREA ONE.OKAY, SO THE NANCE BLANCA RIVER ENTITLED LAND.
AND THEN WHAT PAGE DID YOU SAY? 77 FUTURE LAND USE MAP? THAT'S RURAL.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE RURAL ESTATE AND TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THERE.
SO, AND THEN WHAT'S THE LAST PAGE YOU SAID 80.
SO 80 LOOKS TO ME MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE LIMITED SERVICE AREAS WHERE IT'S SAYING THAT'S RESTRICTED GROWTH, WHERE WE'RE SAYING, UM, EXPANSION OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED FOR THE DURATION OF THE PLAN.
THAT IS A SPECIFIC AREA WHERE WE, THE CITY HAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND IT WAS ANNEXED BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE'VE AGREED TO PROVIDE SO MANY LUE.
UM, AND I SAY UES, I MEAN LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENTS FOR, FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE.
NOW THAT DEVELOPMENT, IN THE EVENT THAT IT DOES EVER HAPPEN, UM, THEY DO NEED TO DO THEIR PART TO EXTEND SERVICES OUT THERE.
SO THERE WILL BE TIMES WHERE WE, WE WANT TO, WE WANNA HOLD TO THIS PLANE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE WILL, IT'LL LOOK LIKE WE ARE STEPPING OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THAT, BUT IN THE REALITY WE'RE JUST HOLDING TO A CONTRACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO.
I'VE GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION IN THIS SECTION.
UM, THE PRODUCTIVITY OF DEVELOPED LAND USE TYPES ON PAGE 69.
UM, AND THE COMMENTS THERE, IT SAYS ONLY SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE GENERATING ENOUGH, WHICH IS WHY THE BAR IS ROUGHLY HALF.
BUT IF I LOOK AT ALL THE SECTIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE NET PER ACRE BUDGET PLUS DEFERRED LIABILITIES IS LESS THAN HALF FOR ALL OF THE TYPES.
SO I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS GRAPH IS TRYING TO TELL ME.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT MAKING A COMPELLING CASE THAT MULTIFAMILY IS GOING TO BRING MUCH MORE REVENUE TO THE TABLE.
DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY?
SO THE SINGLE FAMILY, IF I TAKE THAT GOLD BAR AND I FOLDED MY PAGE IN HALF AND MARK THE LINE, THE MAROON BAR IS LIKE HALFWAY THE HALFWAY POINT.
BUT THEN IF I FOLD THE GOLD BAR FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MARK THAT LINE AT THE HALFWAY POINT, IT'S STILL RIGHT AT THAT SAME LEVEL.
SO IT'S NOT MAKING THE COMPELLING CASE.
I, TO ME IT'S NOT, I I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY OTHER PEOPLE WHO READ THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT.
SO I'LL SAY THIS, IT IS, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF KYLE AND HOW OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS HAVE DEVELOPED.
UM, BUT THAT IS A QUESTION THAT VIRGINITY DOES NEED TO CLARIFY.
'CAUSE I'M WONDERING NOW THE SAME QUESTION.
TYPICALLY, UM, MULTIFAMILY DOES TEND TO DO BETTER FROM A ADDING A ON A, ON A PER ACRE BASIS FROM A VALUE.
UM, BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, VERTICAL MIXED USE WOULD PROBABLY FARE A LOT BETTER FROM ADDING VALUE ON A PER ACRE BASIS THAN JUST YOUR STRAIGHT GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, YOUR THREE STORY WALKUPS THAT ARE MORE DISPERSED ACROSS THE LAND.
SO I WONDER IF THAT HAS AN ASPECT OF THAT TO IT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS A QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ASK FOR D TO CLARIFY.
BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE ACREAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR YES SIR.
UM, FOLLOWING UP ON, UH, THAT ONE ON LIMITED SERVICE AREAS ON PAGE 67, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE KIND OF EXPLAINING IT IN THE TEXT ABOVE, THAT'S INCREDIBLY HARD TO READ.
UH, CAN WE GET A BREAK OUT OF THAT AS WELL FROM THAT AS A COMMENT BACK TO VIRGINITY, YOU WANT IT ON A SEPARATE PAGE WITH LARGER FONTS OR WHAT DO YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO THE WAY THEY HAVE IT PUT OUT IS LIKE, THERE'S THE DOTS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, THE WAY THAT EXPLAINS IT IS, IS VERY HARD TO READ.
AND I THINK I HAD A, A KIND OF A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TOO, UM, TO COMMISSIONER KIN'S, UH, QUESTION AS WELL BECAUSE I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE EXPLAINING ABOVE.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE CAN KIND OF GET IT IN LIKE A TABULAR BREAKOUT OR HOWEVER THEY MORE OR BULLET POINTS OR A LITTLE MORE, YEAH.
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JUST SOMETHING THAT'S MORE READABLE, JUST OKAY.SO FORMATTING AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHAPTER THREE? ACTUALLY, THREE PART ONE,
AND THEN WE ALSO TALK ABOUT PLACE TYPES.
UM, SO THIS, WE ALSO NEED FURTHER REFINEMENT ON EXPECTATIONS FROM ZONING AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND PART OF THAT WE HOPE WE CAN GET ADDRESSED IN THIS COMPLAINT, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IT IN A CODE REWRITE AS WELL.
UH, PLACE TYPES ARE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
WHETHER IT BE, UH, A LARGER LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS PROBABLY OUT TOWARDS THE PERIPHERY OF TOWN, MORE IN THE E T J, IF YOU WILL, WITH MORE LIMITED SERVICE, MORE ACREAGE LOTS.
OR IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU HAVE, LIKE I REFERENCED EARLIER, A FEW OVER FOR THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL WITH SOME MULTIFAMILY ABOVE IT, WITHIN REASON, WITHIN CONTEXT TO THE SITE.
UH, LARGER AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLY MORE HIGHLY TRAFFICKED, LIKE 1626 AND I 35, THOSE WOULD BE, UH, UH, MUCH LARGER SCALE VERTICAL MIXED USE, WHICH WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE IN THESE AREAS.
MAYBE EVEN ALONG I 35 TO SOME EXTENT AS WELL, DEPENDING ON WHERE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES.
AND THEN ALSO IT BREAKS OUT, UH, BETWEEN, UH, COMMERCIAL AND REGIONAL SCALE RETAIL AND ALSO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AT THE SAME TIME.
IF WE CAN GO BACK TO PAGE 66, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS RIGHT.
'CAUSE I WANNA, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS FOR ME.
WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO GROW? ARE THEY TELLING US TO CON NOT TO LIKE TENTACLE OUT, BUT TO LIKE STAY WITHIN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED? YES.
SO BECAUSE, UM, THE, WE'RE NOT OVERCROWDING, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT, BUT WE DO WANT TO PUT FOCUS OUR DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS IN THE CORE OF THE CITY, THE CENTRAL PART OF THE CITY, NOT JUST DOWNTOWN, BUT ALONG 35 ALONG THE MAJOR MAJOR ARTERIALS WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE REALLY GOOD WATER SERVICE, WASTEWATER SERVICE.
WE HAVE, UH, ADEQUATE ROADS FOR THE MOST PART.
SO WE CAN FOCUS THERE AND GO UPWARDS AND SO, OR A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE, IF YOU WILL.
SO THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP EXTENDING SEWER AND WATER LINES WAY OFF TOWARDS THE EDGE SO WE CAN, IF WE JUST NEED TO UPGRADE 'EM IN ONE SPOT, WE CAN DO THAT OR, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO IT'D BE A MORE EFFICIENT NETWORK.
I, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A TIME THAT THE CITY WAS JUST WANTING TO GRAB A T J AND, AND X EXTEND.
AND WITH THAT COMES RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE, UH, UTILITIES TO THEM WITHIN WHAT I THINK IT'S LIKE FIVE YEARS.
AND SO NORMALLY AS LONG AS IT'S BEING DEVELOPED, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
BUT I LOVE THE IDEA OF TAKING WHAT WE HAVE AND JUST KIND OF ENHANCING THAT AND MAKING IT BETTER AS OPPOSED TO STRETCHING OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR WINGS AND, AND TRYING TO GRAB EVERYTHING AND BRING, YOU KNOW, BRING, BRING 'EM OUT.
I GUESS BECAUSE WE SEE IT ON THE EAST SIDE ALL THE TIME.
NOT THAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT EAST, WEST, BUT IT'S HARD TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE IF WE STARTED TO GO, YOU KNOW, EVEN FURTHER OUT.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY.
SO THIS EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO LEAD TO WHERE IN DUE TIME WE'RE GONNA START SEEING EVERYTHING GO UP.
IT'S DESIGNED TO A POINT DESIGNED.
IT'S DESIGNED, IT'S BEING DESIGNED THAT WAY, CORRECT.
SO IT'S BEING DESIGNED TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA START EVENTUALLY.
SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE GONNA BE STARTING TO GO THE 3, 4, 5 STORY HIGH DEVELOPMENTS.
IF ULTIMATELY THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS, AND Y'ALL CITY COUNCIL APPROVE ON A PER PROJECT BASIS, THEN YES.
NOW THERE ARE CAVEATS TO THAT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE TO THE SITE.
UH, WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR IN THE FUTURE.
WE GOTTA, WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR CODE TO ACCOUNT FOR BETTER TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT PROJECTS CAN DO TO IMPROVE.
AND YOU AND Y'ALL AS CITY COUNCIL, WHEN WE DO OUR CODE REWRITE, YOU HAVE THE FINAL AUTHORITY TO SAY, OKAY, DO WE WANT TO APARTMENTS TO GO FIVE STORIES OR DO WE WANT TO KEEP 'EM AT THREE OR DO WE WANT 'EM TO GO 10? WHICH, YEAH, THAT MAY BE, THAT'S A LITTLE OUT THERE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT TYPE OR THE, OR THE ZONING TYPE, Y'ALL ULTIMATELY GET TO DECIDE, WE'LL BRING RECOMMENDATIONS TO Y'ALL WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR CODE REWRITE, BUT Y'ALL WILL ULTIMATELY GET TO DECIDE HOW YOU WANT IT TWEAKED AND ADJUSTED FOR AND WHAT HAVE YOU AS WELL.
I, I HEAR BOTH SIDES WHERE IT'S LIKE, LET'S CONDENSE EVERYTHING DOWN VERSUS
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BUILDING OUT MM-HMM.BUT IT, IT COULD GET TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE ARE GONNA HAVE THOSE APPROACHES AND SAY YOUR MINIMUM HEIGHT IS FIVE STORIES.
IS WHAT WE CAN BUILD UP FOR RIGHT NOW IS THERE, IS, THERE IS WITHIN OUR CODE THAT THEY CAN ONLY GO TO FIVE STORIES DEPENDING ON THE ZONING DISTRICT.
THERE'S, DEPENDING, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING, THERE'S MAXIMUMS. UM, YEAH.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, RETAIL SERVICES IS 45 FEET.
SO IF THE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO CONDENSE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONCENTRATE AND BUILD UP, WILL THE MASTER PLAN HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO DO IT? BECAUSE CHANCES ARE WE'LL HAVE TO UPSIZE INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER LINES AND ALL OF THIS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND ON A, ON A AREA OF THE CITY OR ANY SPECIFIC AREA OF THE CITY REALLY.
AND EVEN DOWN TO THE PER PARCEL LEVEL.
SO IF SOMEONE EVER DOES WANNA COME IN AND THEY WANT TO DO VERTICAL MIXED USE AND THEY WANT TO GO 5, 6, 7 STORIES, WHAT HAVE YOU, WE DO HAVE TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT THEY'RE COORDINATING WITH ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
SO, UM, IF WE'RE RECOMMENDING AN AREA TO BE DEVELOPED IN A, IN A MORE DENSE FASHION, WHETHER IT BE ON A MORE LOCAL SCALE THAT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH DOWNTOWN OR UP AT 1626, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ALL GONNA BE ONE MASS BLOCK OF THE CITY'S NOT GONNA BE A MASSIVE BLOCK OF FIVE OR SIX STORY BUILDINGS.
IT'S, THERE'S GONNA BE NUANCE TO IT.
SO, AND I'M JUST THINKING IF WE ARE, IF WE WERE TO PLAN AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THE CORRECT SIZE OF INFRASTRUCTURE MM-HMM.
I I WAS GONNA MAKE A COMMENT TO THAT.
SO WE HAVE FIVE SCHOOLS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.
THERE'S PROBABLY THREE NEW ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE OUTSIDE OUR CONCENTRATED AREAS.
THEY WILL BRING IN THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA FOLLOW THEM WHEREVER THOSE SCHOOLS GO.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA EXTEND AS WELL.
SO ALTHOUGH THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS LET'S STAY CENTERED, I DON'T THINK THESE THREE NEW SCHOOLS WILL, WILL BE INSIDE KYLE.
SO WE'RE STRETCHING, WE'RE STILL HAVING A STRETCH.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A MULTIPLE FACTORS THERE.
SO, UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ONE IS ITS OWN JURISDICTION, SO THEY DECIDE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO ULTIMATELY.
BUT DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY GO, THERE'S DIFFERENT SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, LIKE GO FORTH SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT OR COUNTY LINE, OR MONARCH, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND SO, UM, WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS WORKING TO SELECT SITES, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE UPGRADING THEIR, THEY'RE UP TO, THEY'RE UPDATING THEIR, THEIR GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER.
WHO'S THE WATER PROVIDER AND WHO, WHO'S THE WASTEWATER PROVIDER? IF THERE IS, THERE ARE SOME SCHOOLS, UH, PROBABLY, UM, THERE'S AT LEAST A COUPLE SCHOOLS THAT ARE PROBABLY ON, ON A COMMERCIAL SEPTIC FIELD, SO OFFHAND MM-HMM.
SO, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WASTEWATER SERVICE OUT THERE AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S STUFF THEY HAVE TO DO WHENEVER THEY'RE LOOKING TO LOCATE.
SO THE POINT IS, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO HARMONIZE WITH THEM WHEREVER THEY END UP AND NEW, NEW SUBDIVISIONS OR GROW AROUND THAT.
UM, NEW BUSINESSES, UH, WITHIN OUR E T J, EVENTUALLY WE, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.
WE, IT DEPENDS ON, UH, WHOSE SERVICE AREA IT IS.
SO WHOEVER, IF THE SCHOOL DECIDES TO GO INTO NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE IN 700 BUTTON LANE WHERE THEY'RE GOING, THEN YES.
THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THAT WATER PROVIDER.
AREN'T YOU ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL? I WAS CHOSEN MM-HMM.
SO IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD, YOU'D BE A GOOD VOICE FOR THE CITY OF KYLE TO BE SHARING SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.
'CAUSE, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE PLAN IS WORK IN OUR CONCENTRATED EFFICIENTLY INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT'S LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE STILL CHASING THE RABBIT BECAUSE THE BIG, THE BIG ELEPHANT IS, IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, LIKE, WHERE, WHERE THEY PUT THEIR, THEIR SCHOOLS.
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HAS DEDICATED LAND TO THE SCHOOLS.SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE'RE GROWING IN THAT WAY, THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF HOPE THAT WE CAN BRING THE SCHOOLS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT TO OUR AREAS, IS TO REQUEST THE DEVELOPERS TO ADD THAT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO DEDICATE THE LAND, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT EASIER FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD TO WANT TO PUT A SCHOOL THERE IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE THAT LAND.
SO, MOVING FORWARD, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
NO, WE, UH, WE, NO, NO, IT, IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION GENERALLY, AND I APPRECIATE BOTH OF Y'ALL'S COMMENTS, UM, FROM A, FROM A SCHOOL SITE SITUATION.
BUT WE GENERALLY, WE DO ALSO COORDINATE WITH A SCHOOL DISTRICT WHENEVER THEY'VE ASKED US FOR ANYTIME THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED HOMES TO BRING 'EM IN ON THE CONVERSATION FROM THE START.
SO THAT WAY THEY CAN START COORDINATING IT WITH THEIR PLANS AND ALSO START COORDINATING ALSO WITH THE DEVELOPER.
NOW, IF WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THAT IN A FUTURE CODE UPDATE AS WELL, SAYING, OKAY, YOU GOTTA PROVIDE SO MANY ACRES FOR SO MANY HOMES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE, WE CAN LEGALLY DO IT BECAUSE, UH, HAYES, C I S D IS A DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT JURISDICTION AND ALSO WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? SO CERTAINLY TAKE, SO IT'S, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UM, FOLLOWING UP ON A, KIND OF SOME CONVERSATION I HEARD ABOUT A COUPLE QUESTIONS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLANNING FOR, YOU KNOW, CORE DEVELOPMENT VERSUS PLANNING FOR OUTWARD DEVELOPMENT.
UM, JUST NOTICING THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE, IN THE, IN DEVELOPING, IN THE CORE KIND OF TAKES FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE HOURS WISE, OR WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT Y'ALL EXPECT AS FAR AS WHAT'S NEEDED TO PROCESS APPLE OR PROCESS ALL OF THESE THINGS FOR THINGS IN OUR CORE, WHICH NEED, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LOOKS AT SEWER, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VERSUS THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE GROW OUTWARDS.
LIKE IS THERE ANY SORT OF DIFFERENCE IN THAT REGARD? BECAUSE I IMAGINE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE THE SAME, RIGHT? THEY'RE STILL BUILDING, THEY STILL NEED SEWER, THEY STILL NEED WATER, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE WE PUTTING MORE PRESSURE ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? ANY SORT OF WAY IS SOMETHING I WANNA THINK ABOUT.
I DON'T HAVE HOURS CALCULATED PER PROJECT AND FOR STAFF INPUT.
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS, GENERALLY SUBDIVIDING IN THE E T J IS A LOT AS A LOT MORE SIMPLER PROCESS BECAUSE GENERALLY WE DON'T HAVE WATER OR WASTEWATER SERVICE OUT THERE, OR IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVICE AREA.
SO ALL WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS, IS IT A RURAL SUBDIVISION GREATER THAN AN ACRE VERSUS NOT FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, MAYBE THERE'S SOME ASPECTS OF IT WHERE WE HAVE SOME POCKET PARKS, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, SCALE OF THE PROJECT.
BUT OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE SIMPLE VERSUS INSIDE THE CITY, WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR ZONING, UH, STREET INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER WASTEWATER.
UM, THEN THE DEVELOPER HAS TO ALSO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET A WILL SERVE LETTER FROM THE POWER PROVIDER IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT ANY GAS AND ALL THE DESIGN THAT GO INTO THAT PROJECT RELATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE ON TOP OF PARKING, WHERE THE BUILDING'S GONNA GO, LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF WHERE WE HAVE MUCH MORE, UH, A COHESIVE AUTHORITY.
SO IT DOES GET A LOT MORE COMPLICATED INSIDE THE CITY, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE GAME TOO.
SO IS THIS COMPANY THEN, UH, ACCOUNTING FOR EACH TODAY? LIKE IT IS FROM A, FROM A GROWTH SCENARIO PERSPECTIVE? UM, WE ALL, IN THE PROCESS, WHENEVER WE ARE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN'T SUPERSEDE STATE LAW EITHER.
SO THERE ARE, WE ARE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE E T J.
NOW, THERE ARE CAVEATS WHEN, AND MAYBE THERE'S A PROJECT THAT HAS A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE THEY AGREED TO ANNEX IF THEY TRY TO DEVELOP AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE.
BUT, UM, BUT FOR THE BY AND LARGE, UM, YES, THE ANSWER IS YES, IT DOES BOTH E T J AND, UH, CITY LIMITS.
UM, SO I WENT THROUGH THE MAJORITY OF THIS.
I'VE HAD STAFF WAS WONDERFUL ENOUGH TO, TO GIVE ME THIS LARGE BINDER.
AND SO I'VE HAD TIME TO GO THROUGH IT.
AND WHILE I WAS DOING THAT, I WAS TRYING TO PUT MYSELF IN, UH, THE POSITION OF A RESIDENT WHO, WHEN THIS IS FINALIZED, MIGHT WANNA SEE WHAT WE'RE UP TO.
AND IT'S JUST A RIDICULOUS EXPECTATION FOR ME IN MY POSITION TO THINK THAT ANY RESIDENT WOULD SIT AND READ THROUGH 150 SOME PAGES, 60 SOME PAGES.
AND I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT LIKE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, SOMETHING WITH BULLET POINTS, SOMETHING REALLY EASILY DIGESTIBLE.
UM, AND THEN I LOOKED AT YOUR PRESENTATION HERE, THAT'S 20
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SLIDES.IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE, UM, A SHORTER VERSION THAT WE CAN HAVE BOTH AVAILABLE, BUT IF WE WANT, IF, IF WE WANT TO BE REALISTIC WITH GIVING PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSUME THIS INFORMATION? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
BUT WE USE, THE ANSWER IS YES.
'CAUSE UM, I HAVE A CHEAT SHEET FOR THE CURRENT COMP PLAN THAT I USE.
LIKE THE CLIFFS KNOWS VERSION OF, AND, AND I'VE READ THROUGH THE CURRENT COMP PLAN SEVERAL TIMES THAT I HAVE, SO YEAH.
THE ANSWER IS YES, WE CAN, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE CAN, WE CAN COMP PLAN FOR DUM AND DUMMY NUMBER ONE RIGHT HERE.
SO I THINK, I THINK IN THAT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OR CHEAT SHEET OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE LIKE A CORE PHILOSOPHIES THAT THE COMP PLAN IS TRYING TO GET AT IN DETAIL SO THAT WE AS A, AS A P AND Z AND A CITY COUNCIL CAN MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE ADOPTING THE COMP PLAN, WE ARE ADOPTING THESE PHILOSOPHIES AS WELL.
'CAUSE THE COMP PLAN POINTS TO THE PHILOSOPHIES.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT COMP PLANS, AS SOON AS THEY'RE ADOPTED, THEY'RE THROWN OUT IN THE SENSE THAT, UH, A ZONING CASE COMES FORWARD, COMPLIES WITH THE COMP PLAN, FITS RIGHT INTO ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, CITY COUNCILS AND P AND ZS JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S CORE PHILOSOPHIES AT THE BEGINNING, WE NEED TO BE ON THE RECORD STATING THAT LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE SUPPORTING THIS, THIS CONCEPT AND THESE PHILOSOPHIES ARE GOING TO DICTATE THE FUTURE GROWTH IN THE CITY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BEHIND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO WILL, IF YOU COULD JUST SCRAP THIS WHOLE THING AND REDO IT IN ABOUT 20 PAGES, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
HOW ABOUT NO, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AN EXECUTIVE SUM SUMMARY ON THERE.
THAT, THAT GETS IT DOWN TO ITS ESSENCE WHERE, AND WE CAN EVEN POTENTIALLY ADD IT TO BACKUP MATERIAL WHENEVER WE'RE REVIEWING SOMETHING AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
RE REGARDING OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE'VE TALKED A LOT AND HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT DENSITY AND IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN RATTLING AROUND, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, UM, THAT, UM, THERE'S A FOCUS ON APARTMENTS, APARTMENTS, APARTMENTS AND HIGH DENSITY AND NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, SO THAT CAN BE MISLEADING 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIVERSITY OF HOUSING.
SO IN TERMS OF A CHEAT SHEET OR SOME SUMMARY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT SOMEHOW WE GET TO THE CORE OF THE TENSION AROUND THAT.
UM, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE THERE EVEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
MAYBE WE COULD SUMMARIZE WHAT ARE LIKE THE 10 MOST COMMON ISSUES, FEEDBACKS THAT, THAT THE CITY OF KYLE GETS, AND HOW DOES THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADDRESS THOSE, THOSE, THOSE COMMON COMPLAINTS? THE TOP 10 CORE VALUES OF THE COMPREHENSION PLAN, LIKE, JUST LIST THE TOP 10 AND JUST ALL THE WAY DOWN, AND THEN SAVE THIS AS THE MEAT AND POTATOES IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTS TO JUST REVIEW IT.
BUT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU COULD HAVE MEAT AND POTATOES, BUT ALL YOU WANNA LOOK AT IS JUST THE MENU.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PRICING? THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW.
A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT READING ON THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
I, I ALSO HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR HOW TO GET KIDS INVOLVED READING THE COMP PLAN.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO PAY VIRGINITY TO DO THIS, BUT I THINK P AND Z OR STAFF OR SOMEBODY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE LIKE A ONE OR A TWO PAGE INSERT.
THAT'S A SC THIS IS, THAT'S A SCAVENGER HUNT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UM, THAT WE DON'T ADVERTISE, BUT IT'S IN THERE.
AND IF SOMEBODY FINDS IT, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CLUES, DO VARIOUS THINGS, AND THEN IF THEY GET TO THE END OF THE RAINBOW, THEY FIND THEMSELVES, LIKE AT CITY HALL AND THEY GET LIKE A METAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT ADVERTISED, BUT IT'S JUST IN THERE AND LET IT KIND OF BE LIKE AN ORGANIC THING.
I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT FOR TWO YEARS SINCE WE WERE DOING THIS.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SAID IT ON THE RECORD, BUT A SCAVENGER HUNT BUILT INTO THIS THING TOWARDS THE BACK END COULD BE A WAY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO INTERACT WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, TAKING A BOOK, HAVE THE WINNER, UH, OPEN THE MEETING.
NO, I'M MORE ALONG THE LINES OF A LITTLE MEDAL OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, TOKEN
THAT WOULD GET INTER THAT WOULD GET PEOPLE GOING RIGHT THERE.
ARE THERE, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, CHAPTER THREE? NO.
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LET'S GO TO CHAPTER FOUR IMPLEMENTATION.THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF TABLES ON THERE FOR ACTION ITEMS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
UH, BUT THEY MOSTLY FOCUS ON, AND SOME MAJOR, UH, CORE ITEMS HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AREAS FOCUSED ON OPEN, BEING OPEN AND TRANSPARENT IN OUR PROCESSES WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE CITY, HOW THE ITEMS GET APPROVED, UH, FOR PRINCIPLE OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.
MAKING SURE THAT, UH, NOT ONLY IS THE CITY FLOURISHING FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT EVERYBODY HAS AS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN TO LIVE AND WORK HERE AND PLAY HERE.
UH, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITY, EQUITY AND JUSTICE GENERALLY.
AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION APPROACH, WHICH IS, UH, BOTH INCREMENTAL NEIGHBORHOOD CENTRIC.
UM, WE WANT, UH, WE WANT HIGH QUALITY PROJECTS AND WE WANT STUFF THAT ADDS TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND LETS PEOPLE WALK OR BIKE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND SO IT COMES OVER HERE WITH ACTION TYPES OR GUIDELINES, REGULATIONS, INCENTIVES, INVESTMENTS, EDUCATION, UH, COMMUNITY FOCUS, UH, UM, PROJECTS, AND THEN ALSO PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UH, NONPROFITS AS WELL.
ANY OTHER, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, PARSLEY.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS, UM, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE, AND, AND I GUESS THAT WILL BE PROBABLY A WORK FOR COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT THIS FITS THE STANDARDS OF, OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN REGARDS TO, UM, QUALITY OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO THE CITY.
HOW, HOW DO WE SET THOSE STANDARDS? ARE THEY OUTLINED HERE? SO THIS SETS THE FOUNDATION, ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO HAPPEN THROUGH OUR REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FOR THE CODE.
SO SOME OF IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, WE NEED, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HERE IS TO DEFINE THE GOLD STANDARD.
I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THAT, BUT WE WANT TO, UH, SO WE NEED, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS EXACTLY.
UM, AND WORK HOW WE CAN WITHIN, UH, LEGAL RESTRICTIONS FROM THE STATE ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
WE ALSO NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR, OKAY, IT'S NOT JUST, UH, FACADES FAC FACADE TREATMENTS ON BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT? QUALITY ARE LOOKING FOR A, A PLAZA IN THE MIDDLE.
ARE YOU, DO YOU WANT IT TO BE, UM, WHAT OTHER ITEMS DO WE WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR? WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A PARKING, MAYBE IT'S, YEAH.
OR IS CONCENTRATED LIKE IN A, IN A GARAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES IT INTERFACE WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM? HOW DOES IT INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC PARK SYSTEM? UM, SO THEN, WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE ALMOST ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DEFINE GOLD STANDARD.
BUT, UM, WE CAN WORK WITHIN, UM, WITHIN OUR CODE, THE FOLLOW-UP CODE, AND WE NEED TO, UM, USE THE DOCUMENTS ALSO THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADOPTING AHEAD OF THAT TO PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THAT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, PART OF THAT'S GONNA HAVE, UH, MASONRY AND, AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN MM-HMM.
IT IS A DOCUMENT TO PROVIDE DIRECTION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
BECAUSE AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPLEMENT, UH, WITHIN STATE LAW DISTRICTS FOR THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY ENFORCE IT OR PROVIDE OTHER MEANS TO BE ABLE TO DO, TO DO THAT.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S IN THE REGULATORY DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
ALSO IN THE CODE AND IN THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THIS, IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE CITY DIVIDED KIND OF BY DISTRICTS, NOT LIKE ELECTORAL DISTRICTS, BUT ARE WE ABLE TO SET LEGALLY, UH, ARCHITECTURE STANDARD IF WE WERE TO HAVE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY OF KYLE THAT WE COULD SET A, A, AT LEAST A MINIMUM REQUIRED STANDARDS FOR ARCHITECTURE OR QUALITY OF LIFE? SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION, RIGHT? SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE THE I 35 OVERLAY, WHICH IS THE MOST PROMINENT, UH, DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT HAS STANDARDS IN IT.
SO THAT IS VESTED PRIOR TO THE 2018 HOUSE BILL THAT PASSED.
UM, IF WE CAN, WE CAN ALSO COORDINATE WITH THE STATE HISTORIC COMMISSION AND TALK, TALKING ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FIT THOSE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS SO WE CAN IMPLEMENT A DISTRICT HERE TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE, UM, A,
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UH, A MORE BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN, A MORE HISTORIC FEEL.UM, AND SO WE CAN COORDINATE THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT FOLLOWS THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS THE FOUNDATION.
WE HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S VERY ANY MORE, THERE'S VERY FEW, UH, LEGAL FRAMEWORKS IN PLACE THAT THE STATE HAS AN OVERRODE THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR.
BUT OCCASIONALLY WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, AND THEY ENTERED INTO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT WITH US SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ENFORCE THESE STANDARDS.
FROM A, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I THINK THE STATE HAS OVERSTEPPED, UM, HONEST CITY'S RIGHTS.
UM, AND I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE OFTENTIMES FORGET THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BOND TOGETHER, NOT JUST WITH OURSELVES, BUT LIKE WITH SAN MARCOS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN JUST KIND OF FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADVOCATE FOR OURSELVES.
I KNOW THAT DEATH STAR BILL WAS A HUGE ORDEAL AND I'VE BEEN READING ON IT.
UM, AND THERE ARE CITIES THAT ARE GETTING TOGETHER TO GO AND, AND TO, TO KIND OF FIGHT THAT.
AND SO I THINK COLLECTIVELY AS A CITY, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF WE FOUND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NO LONGER AGREE WITH OR WE DON'T THINK IS, UM, OF THE PURVIEW OF THE STATE THAT WE GET TOGETHER AS COUNSEL AND, AND GO SPEAK OUR VOICES OVER THERE AS WELL.
I WILL, THERE'S, UH, 103 DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS THERE.
AND WHAT'S SCARY IS 40 OF THEM ARE P AND C
I'M A LITTLE, I'M A LITTLE INTIMIDATED, BUT, UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE AND MAYBE IT ALL CAN'T HAPPEN.
SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO GO ABOUT SETTING PRIORITIES ON WHAT ACTIONS WE TAKE FIRST? AND, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FOLLOW-UP WORKSHOP MEETING.
UM, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO THESE ACTION ITEMS AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE PROVIDING SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE 'EM, THESE ARE GOOD, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WE NEED TO BRING IT, DISTILL IT DOWN TO ITS ESSENCE AS WELL AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME REAL ONES THAT WE CAN DO, SOME REALISTIC ONES WE CAN DO IN SHORT ORDER, MEDIUM TERM, UM, GOALS AND LONG TERM.
UM, 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF, UH, PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH WE WANT TO DO AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, RESOURCE RESTRICTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF TIME AND WHAT HAVE YOU AS WELL.
SO, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE REASONABLE AS AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO, UH, LAST TIME VERITY WAS HERE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM ADDING SOME STUFF ABOUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY THINGS LIKE HOW WE COULD TRACK AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK BACK TO, UH, CONSTITUENTS.
AND I DON'T SEE REALLY ANYTHING UNDER THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HIGHLIGHTS THAT THEY'VE WERE DONE ANY WORK ON THAT.
AND, UM, I, I'D HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THAT BEFORE WE PASS A COMP PLAN SO THAT WE HAVE SOME CLEAR SET OF LIKE WHAT THEY THINK KINDA LIKE WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG CONVERSATION I THINK EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE AGREED WITH.
BUT IF, WHEN I COME BACK AND I SEE THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE ON THAT, IT KIND OF IS DISAPPOINTING.
'CAUSE I DEFINITELY WANNA BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BACK EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, TO CONSTITUENTS IN A WAY THAT IS, YOU KNOW.
CAN YOU, UH, FOR THE RECORD, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT THE SPECIFIC DATES WHERE WE HAD THAT WORKSHOP WHERE WE, WE TALKED ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY? WELL, YOU'RE ASKING A PERSON WITH A D H, ADHD TO REMEMBER OUR DATE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, SORRY.
THE LAST ONE THAT WE HAD TOGETHER.
I DO, I DO WANNA QUICKLY POINT OUT JEN, ONE POINT G ON PAGE 1 22, UM, PUBLISH AND DISTRIBUTED A BIENNIAL PROGRESS REPORT ON IMPLEMENTATION ITEMS TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO MAYBE WE WANT MORE AROUND ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT THEY DID TRY TO MAKE A NOD TO THAT.
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED MORE JUST FLAT OUT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO ITEM OUT ALL OF THESE THINGS INTO TASK, WE DON'T GROUP SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO A WHOLE 'CAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR US TO GO, WELL THEN WHAT STEPS DO WE NEED TO GO, YOU KNOW, TO ACHIEVE THIS? AND THEN IT BECOMES ANOTHER TASK LIST.
AND THEN I, I, I FOLLOW UP, WHICH IS JUST THAT LIKE, UM, ON THE TOTAL RIGHT SIDE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, IT SAYS LOCAL PARTNERS CAN ASSIST AS, UM, IF I'M A LOCAL PARTNER, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GONNA DIG 129 PAGES INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET LIKE, UH, MAYBE A BREAKOUT OR LIKE PAGE FOR LIKE, IF YOU'RE THIS STAKEHOLDER HERE ARE WAYS YOU CAN ASSIST.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP, NOT JUST FOR LOCAL BUSINESS, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ONE
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THAT SAYS SUPPORTERS OR PROMOTERS OR VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THEY'RE GETTING THIS SUPER EFFICIENTLY AND CLEARLY LIKE A, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE OVERALL FOR THE COMP PLAN? JUST, WELL, JUST IN THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION SECTION, BUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO INCORPORATE THE WHOLE PLOT PLAN, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.I THINK THAT THE MORE PEOPLE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEEING THIS AND GETTING ON BOARD AND UNDERSTANDING IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND GETTING ON BOARD, THE LESS LIKELY IT WILL BE THAT WE PASS SOMETHING THAT WE THROW AWAY FOR THE NEXT SHINY OBJECT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY, UM, HOW DO WE SAY IT NICELY JUST TO LIKE POWERPOINT IT AND SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT THE MAJOR, UM, DISCUSSION POINTS ARE THROUGHOUT, AGAIN, THE CHEAT SHEET? YEAH.
I WAS GONNA CALL IT DUMMIES FOR ME, BUT
SO I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE SPECIFIC ITEM, THE ACTION ITEM.
SO THEN IF WE HAVE SOMETHING COMING FORWARD, WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR, UH, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH TO SPECIFIC, UH, SUBGROUPS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SECTION, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WHERE WE COLLABORATE WITH NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS AND REGIONAL AGENCIES ON POLICIES AND PROJECTS FOR REGIONAL TRAILS, THOROUGH AFFAIRS AND TRANSIT WATER SUPPLY AND ALL THAT.
UM, THAT'S A SITUATION ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE WATER.
WE, WE'VE ENTERED INTO THE ALLIANCE REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITIES, SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT BOARD FROM DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS TO GET THAT PROJECT HAPPENING.
ALSO, UH, REGIONAL TRAILS, UH, WORKING WITH THE, I THINK IT'S, UH, WITH, FOR THE, UH, THE EMERALD CROWN TRAIL AND THE ORGANIZATIONS WITH THAT, MAKING SURE THAT OUR TRAIL SYSTEMS MATCH THAT AND WHAT HAVE YOU MEETING WITH THEM.
WHENEVER SOMETHING OCCASIONALLY STUFF POPS UP, WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY REACH OUT TO THESE PEOPLE, UM, THIS GROUP AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE FOR CONNECTING THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND WHERE THEIR POINT ENDS AND OURS STARTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO, UM, THE SPECIFIC ITEMS, UH, THE SPECIFIC PROJECT AT HAND.
BUT I DO THINK THERE ARE GENERAL ONES, LIKE I'M LOOKING AT NH ONE POINT B WHERE IT'S OFFERING INCENTIVES TO SUPPORT ENTREPRENEURS AND SETTING UP NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORES, CAFES, CLINICS.
ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BEING ON THERE, BUT ALSO SUPPORTERS.
SO I'M THINKING OF THE FOLKS OVER IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HEAR A LOT FROM BUSINESSES, SOME OF THEM WHO WANT TO CONVINCE SOME OF THEM WHO DON'T.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SO THAT IT CAN BE ON YOUR RADAR AND BE TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT SUCCESSFUL AND MORE FAST, I THINK.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, FOR THAT EXAMPLE, WE HAVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT ALSO WORKING IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AND THEY COLLABORATE WITH BETWEEN THE CITY AND, AND, UH, UM, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS WELL.
AND THEY EVEN HAVE CONTACTS EVEN OUTSIDE THE CITY FOR DEVELOPERS THAT THEY, OR KEY DEVELOPERS THAT THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TRY TO REACH OUT TO 'EM, SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THAT KIND OF STUFF.
TOWARDS THAT END, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER JAMES THAT, UH, UM, IT'S GOOD FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OR OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO BE VERY WELL INFORMED ABOUT HOW THIS IS ROLLING FORWARD.
THIS ISN'T JUST SOMETHING WE'RE, AGAIN, THROWING OUT THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST DIFFERENT THAN A GENERAL SUMMARY OR CHEAT SHEET, BUT REALLY ACT, YOU KNOW, ACTIVELY ENGAGING SOME OF THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE REPORT IT GETS BURIED IN HERE SAYS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO SUSTAIN A COMMUNITY IN THE END IS TO DEVELOP LOCAL BUSINESS SO THE MONEY STAYS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE BUSINESSES HAVE A STAKE IN THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE BECAUSE THEY LIVE HERE AND HAVE A BUSINESS HERE.
AND SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SOMEHOW INTERFACE WITH CHAMBER OR WHOMEVER TO, TO UH, REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE OR CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESS, FOR INSTANCE, IN DOWNTOWN AND REALLY, UH, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CURE GOOD MESSAGES TO THOSE FOLKS.
BECAUSE WHAT WE SEE IS WE, WE ATTRACT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AND NOT A LOT OF LOCAL MONEY, AND YOU DON'T SEE FROST BANK PROMOTING PROJECTS HERE WITH LOCAL OWNERS, FOR INSTANCE.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO THE LAST CHAPTER IS, UH, THE APPENDICES.
THIS IS, IT MOSTLY FOCUSES ON, UM, CONSIDERATIONS FOR RECOMMENDED CODE UPDATES.
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A HUGE CHUNK OF, UH, WHERE WE, THEY COLLECTED THEIR DATA, ITY, THE RESOURCES RELATED BEHIND IT, ALL THE PUBLIC OUTREACH WE DID, UH, EVERYBODY WHO PROVIDED FOR ON THE, UH, THE SURVEYS AND THE STICKY NOTES WE PUT ON THE BOARDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF FOR THE MULTIPLE TIMES THAT WE WENT OUT AND HAD OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH.UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? OKAY, IF I'LL, I'LL, I'LL REITERATE, REITERATE THIS.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS FOLLOWING TONIGHT, WE HAVE UNTIL THE FIRST TO GET IT DONE.
I NOTICE ON THIS PAGE HERE THAT THERE IS THIS SITUATION THAT I WANT CLARIFICATION OR ANYTHING I THINK NEEDS AN EDIT, LET US KNOW.
THERE'S ALSO ON THE, UH, ON THE, THE, ONE OF THE FIRST PAGES ON THE, IT MAY BE THE FIRST PAGE ON THE COMP PLAN, THERE'S A LINK TO THE SAME SPREADSHEET.
ANYBODY HERE CAN LOOK AT IT AND, AND PLUG INTO IT.
SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US, PLUG IN YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS CONCERNS, AND, UH, WE'LL BE DOING THE SAME THING ON OUR SIDE, UH, BASED ON TONIGHT'S MEETING.
HEY, WELL ALSO ON THE, UH, JUST FOLLOW UP ON THE, UH, EXECUTIVE SUMMARY KIND OF FOLLOW UP.
IS THAT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ENGLISH AND SPANISH? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE? IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, ALTHOUGH WE'LL PROBABLY NEED SOME, UH, WE'LL MAKING SURE WE'RE EDITING IT APPROPRIATELY FOR SPANISH LANGUAGE.
UH, IF Y'ALL GET FULLY EDITED TO HOW YOU WANT IT IN ENGLISH, I CAN SUBMIT IT FOR SPANISH TRANSL DONE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT WRAPS UP, UH, THIS SEGMENT OF IT.
UM, AND AT THIS POINT I BELIEVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADJOURNMENT.
SO, BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO ADJOURN FROM THIS MEETING TOO, SO A MOTION TO ADJOURN.