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GOOD EVENING.TODAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH, AND THE TIME IS 6:30 PM AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? DELORE MATA.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, CITIZEN COMMENTS.
ITEM THREE, A CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS EARLY IN THE AGENDA OF A REGULAR MEETINGS.
SPEAKERS ARE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTER CONCERNING CITY BUSINESS, AND THEY MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THOSE.
[4. Consent]
CONSENT.WE HAVE ITEM FOUR A AND FOUR B TONIGHT.
THAT'S THE 700 BUNTON PHASES ONE A TWO SUBDIVISION, AND ONE B SUBDIVISION.
WE REQUIRE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS WITH A MOTION.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT A, A MOTION IN PROGRESS.
UM, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, PASS ITEMS THE CONSENT AGENDA, SORRY, ITEMS FOUR A AND FOUR B SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER JAMES AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? YES, THERE IS.
THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT SAYS THAT IT WILL HAVE 5,682 FEET OF NEW ROADS.
AND THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS LAND AEX? CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? COMMISSIONER STEGEL? YES.
IS THIS LAND IN QUESTION THE REST OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, IS IT ANNEX? IS IT ANNEXED INTO THE CITY? THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
UM, SO, UM, THEY'RE BRAGGING OF OVER A MILE OF ROADS AND THIS, THESE WILL BE BILLED OUT ACCORDING TO CITY UH, STANDARDS.
I THINK THAT ONE COMMENT I WOULD HAVE GOING FORWARD ABOUT THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT IT'S 337 LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT'S NOT STIPULATED IS THAT IT'S PROBABLY PLANNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL.
WHY WOULD I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED AND PROMOTED AS THAT IN LARGER COMMUNITY AND IN THE STATE.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND AS A COMMISSIONER TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY REALLY CONSIDER AN INVESTIGATION OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM REGARDING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE FOR RENT.
THERE ARE INHERENTLY A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS AS WE'RE SEEING, AND THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ACTUALLY THESE DEVELOPMENTS BE REQUIRED TO BE FREE, SIMPLE HOME OWNERSHIP RATHER THAN RENTALS.
UH, DID YOU WANNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION OR ARE WE VOTING AS WE'LL? VOTE ON THE MOTION.
THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION I HAD, AND THEN AN ITEM OF, UH, I WANTED TO STATE.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOUR A AND FOUR B, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[A.
[Postponed 8/22/23 - 8/29/23 - 9/26/23 - 10/18/23] Consider and make a recommendation to City Council regarding a request by Pam Madere of Jackson Walker LLP, on behalf of the Caraway Cattle Company Family Partnership LLLP (Z-22-0110) to rezone approximately 101 acres to Planned Unit Development (PUD, to include approximately 72 acres of Retail Services Zoning ‘RS’ and approximately 29 acres Multifamily Apartments 3 ‘R-3-3’ for property located at 301 Bebee Road in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
ACTION ITEM FIVE A POSTPONED AUGUST 22ND, 2023.
CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY PAM.
DEAR OF JACKSON, WALKER, LLP ON BEHALF OF THE CARAWAY CATTLE COMPANY FAMILY PARTNERSHIP, L-L-L-P-Z DASH 22 DASH ZERO TO REZONE, APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 72 ACRES OF RETAIL SERVICES, ZONING, RS AND APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES.
MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS ARE THREE, THREE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 0 1 BEBE ROAD IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.
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THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.WILL DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? ITEM? GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, WAIT, WAIT, IT WAS NOT OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, SO YOU, YOU CAN CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN CLOSE OUT IF AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
IF NO, IF SOMEONE COMES UP OR DOESN'T COME UP, I CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING'S ALREADY OPEN.
SO ULTIMATELY THE ACTION YOU'LL NEED TO TAKE IS FOLLOWING, IF ANYBODY COMES UP OR NOT, IS WE'LL HAVE TO CLOSE IT OUT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? ALL RIGHT.
UH, WILL ATKINSON FOR THE RECORD, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
SO BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE THE LONG AWAITED, UH, CARE OE CATTLE COMPANY FAMILY PARTNERSHIP REZONING.
SO, UM, Y'ALL SAW THIS BACK IN AUGUST AS A POSTPONEMENT AND A COUPLE OTHER TIMES IN BETWEEN THEN TO DO THE SAME THING.
AND IN, IN THAT ENTIRE TIME, PLANNING, ENGINEERING, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATION, ALL OF OUR STAFF WE'VE PROBABLY SPENT AND, AND LEGAL, WE'VE SPENT HUNDREDS OF HOURS COORDINATING WITH THE DEVELOPER WORKING ON THIS NEGOTIATED PROJECT TO FINALLY GET IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S BROUGHT TO Y'ALL.
AND TONIGHT, Y'ALL ARE SEEING ONE COMPONENT OF THAT IN TERMS OF THE ZONING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THERE WILL BE OTHER ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS THAT YOU WILL NOT CONSIDER BECAUSE IT'S NOT Y'ALL'S PURVIEW PER THE CHARTER AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THOSE ALSO INCLUDE ANNEXATIONS, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, A CHAPTER THREE 80, WHICH IS AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR THEM.
AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE.
I THINK OH, AND A TURS AS WELL.
SO, UM, ALL OF THOSE ARE ALSO IN MOTION.
THEY WILL ALL BE ALL THOSE DI DOCUMENTS AND THOSE ACTION ITEMS, INCLUDING THIS PUD, WILL BE ON THE 12 FIVE AND ALSO THE 1219 COUNCIL MEETINGS.
SO AS WE'RE PUTTING THIS, THIS DISCUSSION TOGETHER WITH Y'ALL TONIGHT, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT Y'ALL ARE SEEING A COMPONENT OF IT ONLY FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UH, JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, THIS ANNEXATION IS ALSO GOING TO, IS OCCURRING CONCURRENTLY AT THE SAME TIME, AND IT'LL BE HAVE FIRST READ ON THE FIFTH.
UM, BUT JUST AS A HEADS UP, THE AREA IN BLUE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ALREADY INSIDE THE CITY.
AND THE AREA IN YELLOW IS APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER 38 ACRES.
THIS IS THE AREA TO BE REZONED APPROXIMATELY.
SO 72 ACRES OF RETAIL SERVICES AND 29 ACRES OF R THREE THREE, WHICH IS OUR HIGHEST DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS PURE MULTIFAMILY IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE.
AND RIGHT HERE ON THE LAND PLAN, YOU CAN SEE, UM, WITHIN THE 72 ACRES OF RETAIL, UM, IT SAYS 600,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S A TYPO.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY 450,000 SQUARE FEET APPROXIMATELY FOR, FROM THE COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT.
THAT INCLUDES, UH, BIG BOX HOTEL, UM, VARIOUS TYPES OF RESTAURANTS, OFFICE SPACE, UM, VERTICAL MIXED USE ALONG A LITTLE, UH, CORRIDOR RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME MULTIFAMILY IN THE BACK WITH A MAXIMUM OF 426 UNITS.
IT'D PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.
LEMME STOP SHARING REAL QUICK.
LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A BIT OF A GLITCH IN THE SYSTEM, SO MY APOLOGIES THERE.
SO THERE IS A, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT EXHIBITS IS A CIRCULATION PLAN.
THIS PROJECT, UM, AND I DIDN'T STATE IT EARLIER, UM, IS WE'RE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM WITH OUR ROAD BOND AS WELL.
SO, UM, THEY ARE ALSO DONATING THE KOHLER'S CROSSING RIGHT OF WAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ALONG THE EDGE THERE WITH THE, THE YELLOW DASH LINE AND THEN ALSO THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE NEED FOR THE BB ROAD REBUILD AS WELL.
SO THAT'S A MASSIVE COMPONENT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, FROM A COST SAVINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THEY HAVE A CIRCULATION ROUTE.
THE AREA IN YELLOW IS THE VIBE TRAIL PER THE VIBE TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
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TO RIGHT ON THERE IS A SPUR THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN ON THEIR DIME TO, UH, TO BRING IT INTO THE PROJECT.THE, THE THINNER RED LINES ARE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION AND THE DASH BLUE LINES ARE GOING TO BE WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE PEDESTRIAN CROSS CONNECTIONS TO ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS AS WELL, WHICH DOES NOT.
INCLU ALSO INCLUDE THE PERIMETER SIDEWALKS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ALONG THE, THE PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, THE RETAIL ELEVATIONS, UM, THESE ARE PRIMARILY GONNA BE IN THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, THEY PRI THEY LARGELY MEET THE I 35 OVERLAY, ESPECIALLY THE BIG BOX AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT WE ARE PROVIDING SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THAT TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME, UM, SOME BETTER ARCHITECTURE, ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE MIXED USE AREA THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY COMPLY WITH THE I THREE FIVE OVERLAY, BUT IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY WHERE WE NEED IT.
UM, THE TOP IMAGE SHOWS, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WILL PROBABLY DEVELOP ON THE BIG BOX PORTION OF THE RETAIL.
AND THEN, UM, THE BOTTOM IMAGE IS ALONG THAT CENTRAL QUAD FOR THE VERTICAL MIXED USE.
UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WILL BE REQUIRED, BUT THEY'LL BE RE-REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY STAFF.
UM, WITHIN THAT THOUGH, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT WHO REPLIES FOR THE CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON IT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND IF NECESSARY, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE THE APPELLATE COURT FOR THAT.
SO THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES THAT YOU WILL STILL SEE THEM TO SOME EXTENT, BUT THE CONDITION, THE, UH, ALL THE ENTITLEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT WILL DICTATE ULTIMATELY WHAT THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
HERE'S SOME, UM, IMAGES OF THE ANTICIPATED, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND VERTICAL MIXED USE.
SO THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE IS THE, THE VERTICAL MIXED USE IN THE, AND IT'S IN THE UPPER, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN, WHICH IS ORIENTED TO I 35, IT'LL BE IN THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER OF THAT QUAD.
AND THEN, UM, THE MIDDLE TOP IMAGE IS THE END CAP OF THE QUAD IF YOU'RE LOOKING DUE EAST.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE SOME OTHER IMAGES RIGHT HERE AS WELL.
RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE SIGNAGE PLAN FOR THE MONUMENT SIGNS AND MULTI-TENANT.
AND ALSO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE THAT, UH, WE'RE INCLUDING, UH, ROOF-MOUNTED SIGNS.
CURRENTLY, OUR CODE FOR OUR SIGNAGE DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.
THIS WILL BE IN THE PUTT OR THIS IS IN THE PUTT AS IT'S DRAFTED.
BUT WE DO THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE ROOF MOUNTED SIGNS LIKE THAT ACTUALLY LOOK GOOD.
AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD ACCOUNT FOR THAT WITH, UH, THIS PROJECT AS WELL WITHOUT VI ACCIDENTALLY VIOLATING HER OWN CODE.
UH, SOME KEY VARIANCES IN CODE MODIFICATIONS.
UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE T TYPICAL HEIGHT, UH, VARIANCE FROM 45 FEET IN THEIR RETAIL SERVICES DISTRICT UP TO 65 FEET.
UM, THERE IS A HOTEL HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM 45 FEET UP TO 90 FEET.
UH, MULTIFAMILY HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM 45 TO 65 FEET AND PARKING RATIOS ON THE MULTIFAMILY INSTEAD OF, UH, TWO SPACES PER UNIT, PLUS A HALF SPACE FOR EVERY BEDROOM ABOVE TWO, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ONE AND A HALF SPACES PER MULTIFAMILY UNIT, PLUS 5% FOR GUEST PARKING.
MOST OF THE, UH, THE BEDROOMS ON THE MULTIFAMILY WILL BE ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS WITH A A FEW THREE BEDROOMS. SO, BUT OVER AVERAGING IT OUT LIKE THAT, IT WORKS OUT PRETTY WELL.
SO, AND, UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING REQUEST CONDITION PER ANNEXATION OF THE 37.99 ACRE PORTION OF THE SITE BE COMPLETED FIRST.
SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SAY THAT AGAIN.
WE START, FIRST WE WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ZONING REQUEST THAT THEY'RE ASKING AND THAT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER WITH, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CONDITIONED THAT THE ANNEXATION HAS TO HAPPEN FIRST BECAUSE ANNEXATION IS HAPPENING OCCURRING, BUT Y'ALL ARE SEEING THE ZONING BEFORE THE ANNEXATION GETS TO COUNCIL.
SO, OF COURSE, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER SHIELD, CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, THE MAP OF THE ENTIRE SITE? YES.
LET ME, UH, WHERE MAKE IT BIGGER IS THE HOTEL GOING.
UM, SORRY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WHEN I MAKE MY STATEMENT, BY ALL MEANS.
UM, I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME IT IS ANTICIPATED AT THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE.
HOWEVER, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN THE LAND PLAN.
SO IF FOR SOME REASON IT NEEDS TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT PAD SITE, THAT'S FINE.
WE'RE NOT LIMITING IT FROM A LOCATION STANDPOINT PER SE.
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OKAY.SO RIGHT NOW THE HEIGHT IS 45 FEET WHEN WE WANNA INCREASE IT TO 90.
HOW MANY STORIES ARE WE TALKING? IT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF SIX TO SEVEN STORIES, DEPENDING ON THE, THE WALL PLATE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT'S NOT MUCH TALLER THAN SETON.
SETON IS NINE STORIES AND IT, THAT'S I'M SAYING SAYING NOT MUCH, NOT HIGHER.
IT, IT WILL NOT BE TALLER THAN SETON HOSPITAL.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO THE PARKING THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, MM-HMM,
OF THE PUD, WHAT ARE THE, ARE THE, ARE THEY THE SAME AS CODE REGULATION AND THE OTHER PORTIONS OF IT? UH, LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.
WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR THE RETAIL SERVICES, FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER, THREE PER 1000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA AND THEN RESTAURANTS EIGHT PER 1000 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.
SO OUR TYPICAL CODE IS ONE SPACE PER 250 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS SOLAR AREA, SO FOUR TO 1000 ON GENERAL RETAIL.
MM-HMM,
THAT KIND OF FALLS WITHIN A, A SIMILAR AREA, SO WE'RE NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE DID WANT TO INCREASE THE RESTAURANT PARKING THOUGH.
UM, AS WE'VE SEEN IN, UH, IN RECENT TIMES WITH EXISTING PROJECTS, OUR, OUR PARKING RATIOS FOR, UH, RESTAURANTS PER CODE ARE ONE SPACE PER FOUR SEATS FOR GUESTS AND DO NOT INCLUDE, UM, THEY DO NOT INCLUDE STUFF FOR STAFF.
AND ALL THE IMPERVIOUS VERSUS CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON PLEASE? SORRY.
ALL THE IMPERVIOUS VERSUS PERVIOUS, UM, IS WITHIN OUR, UM, OUR POLICIES AND SUCH AT THIS TIME.
SO THE RS ZONING DISTRICT IS, UH, 80% MAXIMUM MM-HMM.
THEY'RE SHOWING 90% IN THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.
UM, HOWEVER, WITH THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY SPECIAL REQUESTS ON THAT.
THERE'S NOT A LIKELIHOOD THAT WHEN HE COMES OUT TO A PAD SITE FOR PAD SITE BASIS THAT IT'S GONNA EXCEED GETTING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO 90%.
SO, AND WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH SHEET FLOW OR ANYTHING INTO ANY OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND IT OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF IN A, IN A LOW SPOT FOR SO, SO AMBERWOOD MM-HMM.
SO, UM, THIS IS MORE OF AN ENGINEERING QUESTION IF WE, IF WE NEED TO BRING ENGINEERING UP, UH, MR. ANDIS HERE, BUT, OKAY.
UH, IT WILL ALL THE, IT'LL BE PROPERLY DESIGNED TO ACCOUNT FOR DETENTION AND, AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS OUR CODE.
COMMISSIONER JAMES, CAN WE SEE THE, UH, TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC FLOW AGAIN, PLEASE? YES.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? OKAY? ALL RIGHT, I'M GOOD.
I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? PERFECT.
UM, PAGE 11, EXHIBIT A PROHIBITED USES.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US WHY THE PROHIBITION IS IN PLACE FOR 10 YEARS ON THOSE USES? NO, EXCUSE ME.
LEMME GET BACK TO THE, UH, HEAD ZONING HERE.
SO, UH, THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOP THEIR DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND OUR STAFF AS WELL,
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UH, INCLUDING MORE THAN JUST PLANNING, SO ADMINISTRATION AND WHAT HAVE YOU AS WELL.UM, SO GIVEN THE, THE BROAD TIMELINE FOR THE, UM, THE PROJECT OVER 30 YEARS OR SO MAXIMUM, UM, THE, WE WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH GOALS.
SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE RESTRICTIONS EARLY ON OVER THE COURSE OF 10 YEARS, BUT ALSO FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF IF THE MARKET CHANGED AND WHAT HAVE YOU AFTER THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, AND ALSO WE ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCILS, HOW THEY'RE GONNA FEEL 10 YEARS, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
MAYBE THEY, THEY WANT TO OPEN UP GAS STATIONS BACK UP AGAIN, OR MAYBE I, WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
UH, WE CAN LIMIT THINGS AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT WE, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS REALLY.
WHEN YOU SAY PROHIBITION AND THEN I RE GAS STATION ONE NATIONAL REGIONAL BRAND TO BE ALLOWED AND THEN CAR WASH ONE NATIONAL REGIONAL BRAND TO BE ALLOWED, IS THAT IN, IN TOTAL, INCLUDING THE ORDINANCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS OR IS THIS IN THE PUD OUTSIDE THE ORDINANCE? A PUD MODIFIES ORDINANCES.
SO WE HAVE A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS, BUT WITHIN THE PROHIBITED USES YOU CAN HAVE ONE GAS STATION EVEN EVEN INSIDE THE MILE.
THAT WE'VE ALREADY, SO THIS MODIFIES THIS OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT AREA.
SO, AND ALSO SAME THING FOR THE CAR WASH.
UM, WILL, IF YOU COULD JUMP TO PAGE 1617 ON THE CODE MODIFICATION FOR UTILITIES, UM, IT'S SAYING ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ALLOWED ABOVE GROUND.
CAN YOU PLEASE SPECIFY WHERE THAT WOULD BE? IS THIS THE WHOLE SITE OR ONLY CERTAIN PARTS OF THE SITE? A PORTION OF IT.
SO SECTION 50 DASH ONE RELATES TO EXISTING UTILITIES PRIMARILY.
SO THE ONLY AREAS THAT THERE'S ELECTRICAL EXISTING THAT'S ABOVE GROUND, UM, IS ALONG THE I 35 CORRIDOR.
AND THAT'S WHERE THIS PERTAINS TO.
SO IF THEY MAKE, TRY, IF AS THEY'RE CONNECTING TO THE SYSTEM ALONG I 35, IF THEY MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT, THOSE MODIFICATIONS HAVE TO BE UNDERGROUNDED.
THERE'S ANOTHER CODE IN CHAPTER 41, WHICH IS A SUBDIVISION CODE, WHICH SAYS ALL NEW INSTALLATIONS HAVE TO BE UNDERGROUND FOR ELECTRICAL.
SO EVERYTHING ALONG KOHLERS AND ALONG BB AND INSIDE THE PROJECT IS GONNA BE UNDERGROUNDED.
DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO MAYBE MODIFY THE ORDINANCE TO JUST SPECIFY FOR THIS SECTION THAT IT'S EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ALLOWED ABOVE GROUND? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OF BENEFIT US? THAT'S PROBABLY, CLARIFICATION IS NEVER A BAD IDEA.
OKAY, LEGAL'S GETTING INVOLVED.
UM, THE CODE MODIFICATION FOR CHART ONE RS, YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
MY NEXT QUESTION,
UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A QUESTION THAT I DIRECTED TO Y'ALL IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
AND, UM, WHAT I HEARD AT THAT TIME WAS THAT INSTEAD OF 90, IT SHOULD BE 85 AND IT SHOULD BE PER THE LOT.
HAVE Y'ALL RE KIND OF REHASHED THAT SINCE THAT CONVERSATION AND WE WANNA LEAVE IT AS IS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, WE HAVE NOT REHASHED THAT AND I FORGOT ABOUT THE CONVERSATION.
UH, YOU, YOU, YOU HAD, YOU HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION WHEN YOU WERE REVERT REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS.
UM, IF THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT Y'ALL WANNA MAKE, THEN MAKE, THEN MAKE AND Y'ALL DECIDE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE, MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE VOTE.
UM, DO, DO, DO, DO, DO, THIS IS A QUESTION THAT JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD WHILE YOU WERE PRESENTING.
THE LAND PLAN FROM THE PRESENTATION SHOWED AN ARROW TO A GENERAL AREA FOR VERTICAL MIXED USE, BUT ON THE, I GUESS THE PLAN IN THE ORDINANCE, IT'S SHOWING HALF OF A BUILDING BEING VERTICAL MIXED USE.
CAN YOU CLARIFY HOW MUCH OF THAT CORRIDOR, IF YOU WILL, IS GOING TO BE YEAH, SO HERE WE'RE SHOWING HALF OF A BUILDING AND ON THE PRESENTATION IT WAS JUST AN ARROW TO THE GENERAL AREA.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO DEFER TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE.
UH, FROM THE, FROM NEWQUEST OR I'M NOT SURE ACTUALLY, PROBABLY YOUR TEAM.
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UM, AND IF, WELL, I'LL NEED YOU TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE SHORTER THAN IT, NOR THAN IT THAN IT SHOULD BE.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE BOTTOM RED LINE ON THAT BOX AND EXTEND IT DOWN, THAT WHOLE COMPONENT WILL BE THE WHOLE BUILDING.
THAT WHOLE BUILDING, NOT ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT NO, JUST THAT BUILDING WILL BE VERTICAL MIXED.
SO DOWN TO INCLUDE THIS BIT RIGHT HERE WHERE IF YOU SEE MY CURSOR CIRCLING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT WE WERE APPROVING.
ON PAGE 29, WHICH IS THE LANDSCAPE KIND OF OF PLAN WITH THE TREES AND ALL THAT STUFF, UM, UNFORTUNATELY I COULDN'T MAKE OUT WHAT THOSE TYPES OF TREES AND STUFF WERE.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US SPECIFICALLY WHAT TYPE OF TREES ARE ON THOSE PEDE, PEDESTRIAN AND PATHWAYS BETWEEN THE BOX STORES IN THE STOREFRONTS FRONTING THE VIBE TRAIL.
UM, I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO USE THESE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, THAT THE TREES ARE GOING TO BE SPECIMENS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING ENOUGH CANOPY WHEN THEY'RE MATURE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THEM TOLERABLE TO WALK THROUGH DURING THE SUMMER.
UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, OH MAN, THE COMPRESSED IMAGE, WHICH YOU DID BRING THAT TO HER ATTENTION.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO GET IT OUT, GET OR LOOK UP THAT ANSWER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OAKS IN THERE.
AND WHEN YOU SEE THE, AND I'M GONNA TOTALLY BUTCHER THIS NAME, BUT LIKE QUA QUERCUS THE LATIN TERM FOR IT, THAT MEANS OAK IN VARIOUS FORMS. UM, AND SO THAT'S ALONG THERE.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO, IT'S A MIX.
SO THERE ARE ALSO SOME SMALLER UNDERSTORY TREES LIKE CREPE MYRTLES AS WELL.
SO IT'LL MOSTLY, SO IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT ALL JUST ONE SPECIES OF TREE.
SO IT PROVIDES SOME VARIETY AND A NICE VISTA AS YOU'RE GOING DOWN AND WHAT HAVE YOU AS WELL, SO.
I JUST, I COULDN'T TELL ON THE PICTURE WHAT, WHAT THOSE THINGS WERE, UH, UNDERSTOOD.
CAN I HAVE A YES ON THOSE TREES, THE MAINTENANCE ON THEM? 'CAUSE WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS, OF COURSE, DRIVING DOWN THE, THE VIBE AND GETTING SMACKED IN THE HEAD, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOW HANGING BRANCH, WHICH C CREEK MINERALS CAN DO, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU TRIM THEM UP LIKE SOME PEOPLE YOU KNOW, DO, BUT OTHERS KIND OF LEAVE THEM NATIVE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WOULD THAT BE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ON THOSE TREES TO MAINTAIN A, A HEIGHT WHERE, UM, GOLF CARTS CAN, YOU KNOW, DRIVE DOWN SINCE IT IS A VIBE TRAIL? SO THERE'S A, THAT'S A THREE COMPONENT ANSWER.
SO ONE WE'VE ADOPTED, UM, THE NATIONAL MAINTENANCE CODE.
SO BY DEFAULT, ALL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY HAVE TO MAINTAIN STUFF IN A CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN MANNER.
AND IF NOT, THEN IT GOES TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WHAT HAVE YOU TWO.
UH, WE ALSO, I BELIEVE IN OUR LAST UPDATE TO THE LANDSCAPE CODE, WE PROVIDED A SEC, A SEGMENT IN THERE, AND I, I DON'T QUOTE ME ON WHICH SUBSECTION IT IS, BUT I REMEMBER THE DRAFT WHERE WE, UH, WERE WANTING TO PROVIDE FOR CLEAR HEIGHTS.
AND THEN THREE, UM, THEY MAY NEED TO BACK ME UP ON THIS, BUT AS A PROJECT, AS PROFESSIONAL AND AS LARGE AS THIS ONE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A CONTRACT FOR A LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE TEAM AND FACILITIES TEAM ACROSS THE BOARD TO MAINTAIN THE A CLASS A PROJECT ACCORDINGLY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE SIDEWALKS INTERNAL AND MAKE SURE IT'S SWEPT AND IF YEAH.
BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WITH OAKS IS ACORNS, RIGHT.
AS MY YARD WILL MOST DEFINITELY ATTEST TO RIGHT NOW
UH, MY LAST QUESTION FOR THIS STUFF.
OH, AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
I JUST, I WAS ABLE TO PULL UP THE IMAGE ON THE TREES.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO, WHAT DO WE GET, GO THROUGH THOSE? SO, UH, WE'VE GOT BIG TOOTH MAPLE, CADO, MAPLES, TEXAS ASH, UH, GINKGOS, UH, SOME CREPE MYRTLES MANDOLIN, PINE, UH, PRUNUS, UH, SOME OAK TREES, TEXAS LIVE OAK, RED OAK, TEXAS, RED OAK, AND CHINESE ELM.
SO THOSE ARE ALL ON THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY BETWEEN THE BOX STORES AND THE VIBE TRAIL,
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OR THIS IS ALL OF THE TREES THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON PLANTING THERE.THE WHOLE, UM, SPECIFICALLY ALONG THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, UH, LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MIX.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE TEXAS RED OAK OR THE STANDARD OAK TREE.
AND THEN ALONG THE VIBE IT'LL BE A MIX OF OAKS.
MY LAST QUESTION FOR THE STAFF ON PAGE 31 OF THE ORDINANCE ELEVATION C THIS IS SHOWING A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF A BUILDING THAT'S, UM, THE SIDEWALK IS DIRECTLY CONNECTING WITH THE VIBE TRAIL SPACE.
UM, DO, I DON'T KNOW WHO IN THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT FOR ANY SAFETY CONCERNS WITH, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE USING THAT TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE BUSINESSES THERE BEING IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ELECTRIC CARTS AND SCOOTERS AND PEOPLE BICYCLING? UM, HAS SOMEONE LOOKED AT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T NEED ANY KIND OF BOLLARDS OR FENCING OR BARRICADE OR JUST SOMETHING THERE TO PROTECT PEOPLE IN THOSE TWO DIFFERENT SPACES? NOT SPECIFICALLY YET, BECAUSE, UM, PART OF THAT WILL, A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PERMITS THAT FOLLOW ENTITLEMENT.
SO THAT WAY WE HAVE NOT JUST PLANNING STAFF, WE, AND WE DO A GOOD JOB IN OUR REVIEWS.
SO WE HAVE MO WE, WE PROBABLY HAVE OVER A DOZEN PEOPLE THAT REVIEW SITE PLANS OKAY.
SO THIS WON'T BE THE FINAL THING.
IT WILL, IT WILL STILL GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL REVIEWS AND CORRECT.
THIS IS JUST PRESENTING A, A GENERAL CROSS SECTION OF HOW YOU CAN ANTICIPATE IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN THIS IS THAT VIBE CORD OR GOING NORTH SOUTH, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME, SOME POTTED PLANTS THAT GET PUT OUT IN FRONT OF THE, THE STOREFRONTS OR MAY MAYBE IT IS A BALLARD OR, OR, AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE REVIEW.
UM, IN MY, IN MY SHORT INTERACTIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH OUR, OUR NEW TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THERE'S BEEN A FEW PROJECTS I'VE WORKED WITH HIM AND WE'VE HAD TO INTER INTERFACE WITH HOW THE SIDEWALK INTERFACES WITH INTERSECTIONS COME AROUND AND THE SIGNAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND JUST TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
HE WAS VERY DETAILED ORIENTED AS THE REST OF OUR STAFF IS WONDERFUL.
UM, THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS FOR ME.
DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS NOW? NO.
UM, WE DO NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ITEM.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, UH, REGARDING A REQUEST, UH, FOR THE REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES OF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 72 ACRES OF RETAIL AND APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 0 1 BB ROAD IN HAYES COUNTY.
WITH, UH, DO WE NEED TO BRING IN THAT 85% THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER OR NO ELECTRIC? IT WAS THE, UH, I'M, I MIGHT MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO JUST ADD ALL THOSE.
I'LL JUST MAKE THAT APPROVAL AS IT STANDS NOW, I, IF I MAY, UHHUH
THIS IS, UM, IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR, UH, MOTION, UM, TO PUT TOGETHER THE LIST OF THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES THAT YOU WANNA SEE.
AND THEN MAKE YOUR MOTION, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THOSE SO Y'ALL KNOW IT BEFOREHAND.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU'LL HAVE TO RESEND YOUR MOTION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO ARE WE ALLOWED TO JUST KIND OF WORKSHOP THIS NOW AND POPCORN AROUND AND SEE? YES.
UM, I THINK THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE THING THAT I'M, THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED.
SO THE ONE THING THAT WOULD MAKE MY NO VOTE A YES VOTE IS THE GAS STATION CAR WASHES.
LIKE, THAT'S GOTTA BE WITHIN THE, THE, THE LINES THAT WE SET.
LIKE WE CLEARLY SET THAT AND WE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THIS AS A CITY, AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL AN EXCEPTION TO SOMETHING THEY THOUGHT SO INTENSELY ABOUT SO RECENTLY.
SO THAT WOULD BE TO, I GUESS, ADD A SECTION TO PROHIBIT IN PERPETUITY GAS STATION AND
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CAR WASH AND CARVE THAT OUT OF THE LIST OF OTHER PROHIBITED USES WITH THE 10 YEAR EXPIRATION.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US SPECIFYING IN THE, LET'S SEE, WHERE DID IT GO? CODE MODIFICATION FOR UTILITIES TO SPECIFY IT WILL BE EXISTING ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE ABOVE GROUND ALONG I 35.
UM, I, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE OPINION OF OTHER FOLKS ON THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.
SO RIGHT NOW IT SAYS 90% FOR THE AREA.
UM, WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT 85% COVER PER LOT INSTEAD.
DO WE HAVE ANY FEELINGS STRONGLY ABOUT THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? I THINK IT'S FINE.
I MEAN, THE WAY IT IS, I MEAN, 90, 85%, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, IT, IT'S FINE.
UM, PERHAPS OF COURSE NAIVE ABOUT THESE THINGS, BUT 85% WOULD SEEM BETTER THAN 90.
UM, AND FRANKLY, GIVEN THE FACT THAT KYLE SO FLOOD DRONE, I WOULD EVEN QUESTION 85%.
UH, AND ALSO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY, UH, CHALLENGE TO OUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
SO THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE OF STAFF.
IS THERE A PARTICULAR THOUGHT ON THAT? UH, IN THE END, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW REGARDLESS IF WE MAKE MODIFICATIONS FROM AN IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR WHAT RS AND MULTI AND THE R THREE THREE ALREADY HAVE, WHICH MEANS THE PRECONDITION, UH, SURFACE RUNOFF CANNOT EXCEED, CANNOT, CANNOT BE ALTERED IN A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO FLOW OFFSITE.
SO IT WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STORMWATER CONTROLS ON SITE, WHETHER, UH, IT DOES SHOW AT LEAST ONE DETENTION POND ON THERE.
UM, AND THERE'S OTHER WAYS YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK ALSO FROM, FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE AS WELL, AS LONG AS, UM, IT, IT PASSES MUSTER WITH OUR, WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ONE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
SO ONE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE FOR STAFF, I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT STAFF QUESTION TIME, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT VERSUS PER LOT FOR THIS PROJECT, WHAT IS CONSIDERED A LOT, THE WHOLE THING LOOKS LIKE IT'S MADE A CONCRETE TO ME.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 85% COVER VERSUS 90% COVER OVER THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT VERSUS A LOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IT REALLY WOULD MAKE FOR US.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE PROBABLY MULTIPLE LOTS IN SITUATIONS ON, IN A SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, SOME, SOME PROJECTS THEY'RE OKAY LEASING OUT A PAD SITE.
SOME OF 'EM ARE ACTUALLY WANTING TO DO A, THEY WANT TO DO A FEE SIMPLE LOT WHERE THEY PURCHASE A PORTION OF IT AND THEY, THE DEVELOPER SELLS IT OFF.
IT JUST KINDA DEPENDS ON THE BUSINESS AT AT HAND.
SO, UM, EITHER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, WE'RE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN OUR PERMITS ON A, IT IS EASIER TO ACCOUNT FOR ON A PER LOT BASIS FROM AN IMPERVIOUS COVER WITHIN ON A PARTICULAR PAD SITE, PER PAD SITE.
BUT IF IT'S NOT, IT'LL STILL ALSO BE ON THAT SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF IT IN A TABLE ALONG ON THE SAME PLAN SHEET WHENEVER WE'RE REVIEWING IT SAYING, OKAY, THIS HERE, THIS PROJECT'S COMING IN.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA ADD SUCH AND SUCH A PREVIOUS COVER HERE SAID THE EFFECT OF IT ON THE OVERALL PROJECT.
SO AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE 90% BASED ON THE CURRENT DRAFT, WHICH IT'LL HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR YOU EITHER WAY, IF, IF IT'S WE, WHEN WE DO OUR REVIEWS, LIKE THERE'S COMMENTS AFTER COMMENTS AFTER COMMENTS FROM STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS ADJUSTMENTS AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S COMPLIANT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE A SMIDGE EASIER FOR Y'ALL TO KEEP TRACK ON IT PER LOT INSTEAD OF FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, SO YES.
UM, SO WHAT IF WE SAY, WHAT IF WE KEEP THE 90%
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BUT CHANGE IT TO BE PER LOT? WOULD Y'ALL BE OKAY WITH THAT OR DO YOU WANNA SEE IT GO DOWN TO 85? I DON'T HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON THE MATTER.I'M OKAY WITH THE 90 AS LONG AS THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT IS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO LUCKILY MY MAIN CONCERN WAS HOW IT AFFECTED THE OUTLYING, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SHEET FLOW AND SUCH.
SO, UM, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T, BECAUSE IT'S IN A LOWER SPOT, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 90% AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOR IT TO SLOPE INTO, TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE ANY OF THAT EXCESS WATER.
WHEN WE HAVE OUR MAJOR RAIN COMPONENT EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS
AND TOOLS IN PLACE TO, SO I'M OKAY WITH THE 90 IN THIS CASE.
UM, GIVEN THAT WE DON'T HAVE A, A BUNCH OF STRONG FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UM, I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE DO A MODIFICATION TO CHART TWO TO SAY 90% MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVER PER LOT.
SO THE LIST SO FAR CONTAINS TO, UM, PROHIBIT IN PERPETUITY THE GAS STATION AND CAR WASH USES FROM THE, FROM THE P TO MODIFY THE CODE AROUND UTILITIES TO CLARIFY THE EXISTING ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG 35 WOULD BE ALLOWED ABOVE GROUND.
AND TO CHANGE THE MODIFICATION TO CHART TWO RS TO SPECIFY PER LOT INSTEAD OF PER THE ENTIRE AREA.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE? MADAM CHAIR, JUST ONE BRIEF CLARIFICATION.
IT'S NOT IN PERPETUITY, IT'S JUST PROHIBITED USES PROHIBIT.
AND IF POSSIBLE, HOWEVER Y'ALL DECIDE TO VOTE, UM, PLEASE STATE EITHER THE EXHIBIT THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE UNDER OR THE CODE SECTION JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY FOR WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WATCH THE RECORDING TO ADJUST OUR STAFF REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR US.
SO WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR YOU IF WE MADE MOTIONS FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS AND THEN, OR JUST DO ONE MAJOR MOTION, ONE MOTION'S FINE.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE, THE EXHIBIT OR THE CODE SECTION.
I THINK THE, UH, THE USES, UH, IS UNDER A SPECIFIC EXHIBIT AND THEN THE RE REMAINDER OF 'EM UNDER ARE UNDER EXHIBIT AND A CODE SECTION.
SO THE CODE SECTION WILL BE FINE FOR THE OTHER ONES.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
WELL I'VE GOT THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME, SO, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, WHERE'S OUR MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL TO THANK YOU, UH, TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES TO PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE 72 ACRES, RETAIL SERVICES ZONING, AND APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, UM, ON THE CONDITION THAT THE ANNEXATION IS COMPLETED AND THAT THE FOLLOWING CHANGES ARE, UM, MADE TO THE PUTT ORDINANCE.
UM, EXHIBIT A, WE WOULD PROPOSE TO PROHIBIT THE GAS STATION AND CAR WASH, USE EXHIBIT C SECTION 50 DASH ONE CODE MODIFICATION, UH, TO CLARIFY THAT UTILITIES WOULD BE ALLOWED ABOVE GROUND ALONG I 35 FOR THE EXISTING ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE EXHIBIT C CHART RS TWO TO CHANGE, UM, TO CHANGE THE MODIFICATION TO SPECIFY THAT IT'S 90% MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVER PER LOT SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UM, CHAIRPERSON KIN, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION BEFORE WE VOTE? YES, COMMISSIONER JAMES.
I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN DISCUSSING THIS OVER TWO OR THREE MONTHS, AND THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD PROJECT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF US HAVE BEEN HIGHLY CRITICAL OF IT, AND I THINK WHAT'S COME HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD PACKET WITH A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, AND I'M
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GLAD THAT WE'RE FINALLY AT THE END OF IT.I DO HAVE, UM, JUST SOME BRIEF COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE.
UM, THE, THE STAFF MEMO THAT WE WERE PROVIDED INDICATES THAT THERE'S THE CHAPTER THREE 80 AGREEMENT TO BE CONSIDERED.
UM, AND IT INDICATES THAT THERE'LL BE A NET POSITIVE RETURN OF 65 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OF THAT AGREEMENT.
UM, BUT IN AN ARTICLE THAT I, I READ RECENTLY, IT WAS TITLED IS THIS DEVELOPMENT OUT OF SCALE BY A MR. DANIEL HERITAGE.
UH, HE EXPLAINS THAT WHEN WE PLAN AND BUILD AT, YOU KNOW, HUGE FINANCIAL SCALES, WE CREATE FRAGILE OUTCOMES.
UM, BECAUSE MISTAKES SUCH AS MISJUDGING OR MISTIMING, THE MARKET CAN LEAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, BIG, BIG SCARS ON THE LANDSCAPES OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO HE CONSIDERS DEVELOPMENTS TO BE AT A HUGE FINANCIAL SCALE WHEN EXPLICIT OR IMPLICIT SUBSIDY IS USED TO, AS HE SAYS, DEFY ECONOMIC GRAVITY.
UM, THAT WOULD BE TO MAKE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE.
HE ALSO CAUTIONS THAT IT CAN BE COSTLY IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE THESE PLACES ARE PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO FALTER ONCE THE SUBSIDY GOES AWAY.
AND IT ALSO SUPPRESSES THE MORE INCREMENTAL AND UN UNSUBSIDIZED GROWTH THAT WOULD ORGANICALLY OCCUR IN ITS ABSENCE.
SO, GOING BACK TO THE CHAPTER THREE 80 AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY'S PURSUING, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A PROJECT THAT DEFIES ECONOMIC GRAVITY.
UM, IF IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY VIABLE WITHOUT A SUBSIDY, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER IT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE LAND.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, I DO KNOW THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORK FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF BELIEVES THIS IS THE BEST THAT CAN BE DONE IN THIS SCENARIO.
SO I WILL VOTE YES FOR THE REZONING, BUT IT'S NOT WITHOUT TREPIDATION.
AND, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST IF THERE ARE FOLKS IN KYLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, MOVING OUT OF THE AREA AND WANNA SELL SOME LAND, MAYBE GO TALK TO THESE OWNERS OR MAYBE TO THE CITY TO LEARN ABOUT THE, THE SCENARIO AND MAYBE WE CAN AVOID BEING HERE AGAIN.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, COMMISSIONER? SURE.
UM, I WOULD, UM, AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
IT'S, UH, AS, UH, THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING SAID IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO CONSIDER THE S OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD FORM IN WHICH TO STATE THE, UH, RELUCTANCE ON, UH, FOR SOME OF US IN, UH, SEEING WHAT THE CITY MIGHT DO.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, KOHLER CROSSING ISSUE AND ALL OF THAT.
THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL REASON FOR THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS AS THEY HAVE.
UM, NEVERTHELESS, I DO HAVE CONSIDERATION CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, FINANCING MYSELF.
UM, IF IT'S THAT DESIRABLE OF PROPERTY, IT DOES SEEM THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITHOUT, UH, OUR HELP.
UM, SO I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT IN SUBSTANCE.
UM, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WON'T VOTE FOR IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I, UH, AM NEGATING THE WORK OF THE STAFF, THE COUNCIL, AND EVERYONE ELSE ON OUR SIDE OF IT WHO'S PUT SO MUCH INTO THIS.
BUT I THINK IF WE, GOING FORWARD, A FINANCE PLAN HAS NOT BEEN FINALIZED, AND WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION INDEED THE, UH, UM, GRAVITY OF THE, THE, UH, FINANCING OF THIS PROJECT AND, UH, WHICH IS ALL QUITE WELL AND ITS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE NORTHEAST SIDE DESERVES SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, BUT HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T COST THE LARGER COMMUNITY COMMISSIONER JAMES, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO THAT POINT, UH, I WAS GOING TO AVOID SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC PART 'CAUSE IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW, BUT I WILL SAY MY VOTE TO APPROVE THE PLANNING AND THE THE ZONING REQUEST DOES NOT CHANGE MY OPPOSITION TO THE THOUGHT OF THE ACTUAL, LIKE, FINANCING OF IT.
I THINK THAT IT'S ON THE REST OF US AS JUST AS WE ARE HERE ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
WE HAVE PURVIEW OVER THESE THINGS.
THESE ARE THINGS TO TELL THE, THE COUNCIL, LIKE WE CAN ACT AS CITIZENS TOO IN THIS PROCESS.
BUT THIS, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE PURVIEW.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHILE THESE DISCUSSIONS COME OUT AND GET AIRED HERE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY FELLOW MEMBERS ON THE, THE COMMISSION TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS DIRECTLY WITH COUNCIL.
'CAUSE IF YOU THINK THIS ISN'T WHERE WE NEED TO GO, WE SHOULD BE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
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WE SEE THIS IN A VERY DETAILED FORM COMPARED TO MANY OF THE CITIZENS IN OUR AREA.AND I AGREE, I I ABSOLUTELY THINK MY VOTE FOR THIS IS SEPARATE FROM MY COMPLETE DISAGREEANCE THAT THE FINANCE MAKES ANY SENSE OR THE INCENTIVES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MOTION? OKAY.
SO TO RESTATE THE MOTION, THIS IS TO, UM, APPROVE THE REZONING OF THE 101 ACRES, UH, TO, WHERE'D IT GO? 101 ACRES TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 72 ACRES OF RETAIL SERVICES, ZONING RS, AND APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS.
R THREE THREE ON THE CONDITION THAT, UM, THE ANNEXATION IS COMPLETED FOR THE LAND, AND INCLUDING THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED TO PROHIBIT THE, UH, THE AMENDMENTS TO EXHIBITS A C AND ALSO C, UM, AS STATED, THAT WAS KIND OF MESSY, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA SAY IT ALL AGAIN.
UM, IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[B.
Consider and make a recommendation to City Council regarding a request by Pam Madere, of Jackson Walker LLP (Z-23-0123) to rezone approximately 32 acres of land from ‘RS’ (Retail Services), approximately 67 acres of land from ‘R-3-3’ (Multifamily Apartments 3) and approximately 56 acres of land from ‘W’ (Warehouse) to ‘PUD’ (Planned Unit Development for property located at 3040 Kyle Crossing in Hays County, Texas.
- Public Hearing
- Recommendation to City Council
KYLE CROSSING IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.
THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ITEM.
I WILL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
UM, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM? UH, YES.
CHAIRMAN, DO I NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JASON LU, SENIOR PLANNER FOR THE RECORD.
UM, SO THIS IS A REQUESTED REZONING, UH, SITE'S APPROXIMATELY 150 ACRES.
UH, THERE'S MULTIPLE ZONINGS ON THE PROPERTY, RS R THREE THREE AND WAREHOUSE, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ENTIRE TRACK.
UM, I DO HAVE QUITE A LOT OF SLIDES, SO I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT FAST, SO PLEASE, IF I GO TOO FAST, PLEASE JUST, UH, YELL AT ME.
UM, SO MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, IF I CAN CHANGE SLIDES HERE.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A MIXED USE SITE.
UM, THIS PUDS GONNA ESTABLISH SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO GOVERN THE PROJECT, UH, WITH SOME VARIANCES TO OUR LOCAL CODE, UH, WORKED INTO THOSE REGULATIONS.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO ESTABLISH TWO KIND OF DISTINCT TRACKS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M GONNA BE REFERRING TO THOSE AS THE HOSPITAL AND THE LAKE PARK TRACT TO TRY AND CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THE CONFUSION.
UM, THE PUTT IS ALSO GOING TO HAVE A SECONDARY SET OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE HOSPITAL PORTION OF THE TRACT.
UM, THIS IS DONE JUST IN CASE THE HOSPITAL, UH, CHOOSES NOT TO TO BE CONSTRUCTED THERE, AND IT'S BASICALLY A PLAN B, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE HOSPITAL MOVING FORWARD.
UM, SO BOTH TRACKS WILL EACH HAVE THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
THOSE WILL BE CONSIDERED, UH, AT CITY COUNCIL AT A AT ANOTHER MEETING.
I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT, THAT THOSE DAS WILL KIND OF INCORPORATE WHAT WE, WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS MEETING AS FAR AS THE PUT DOCUMENT ITSELF.
UH, SO THIS IS THE PROJECT LOCATION.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS JUST NORTH OF THE HEB BETWEEN KYLE CROSSING, UH, AND ON THE CORNER OF 1626, UH, THIS IS WHERE A PLANNED EXTENSION OF MARKETPLACE WILL BE CONNECTED TO CONNECT THE SOUTHERN AND NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THOSE STREETS.
THIS IS THE PROJECT CONCEPT PLAN AGAIN, ON THIS IMAGE HERE, THE HOSPITAL TRACT IS VIEWED ON THE NORTH
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AND LAKE PARK TRACT IS THE SOUTH, UH, WHICH IS A MIXED USE, UH, VERTICAL MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.THIS IMAGE HERE ACTUALLY WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE VERTICAL MIS MIXED USE AREAS ARE.
THOSE STRUCTURES WILL HAVE A VMU COMPONENT AND THE BLUE ARE CALLED OUT VMU CORRIDOR.
SO JUST KIND OF SO YOU CAN ORIENTATE YOURSELF, UH, TO WHEN WE DISCUSS THOSE AREAS, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED LAND USES ON THIS PROJECT ARE GONNA BE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THIS COULD BE FOR RENT OR FOR SALE VIA CONDO REGIMES.
UH, VERTICAL MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, AGAIN FOR RENT OR SALE.
UM, ALSO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RETAIL RESTAURANTS.
UH, BASICALLY OUR RETAIL SERVICES DISTRICT LAND USES, UH, THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.
UH, IT DOES PROHIBIT VARIOUS USES.
GAS STATIONS, STANDALONE BANKS, AUTO RELATED COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, OTHER SIMILAR USES REGARDING AUTOMOBILES.
UM, IT DOES CONTEMPLATE A HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER AND PUBLIC PARKLAND AND PRIVATE PARKLAND, WHICH WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, I WILL DISCUSS THOSE A LITTLE BIT IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT GENERALLY THE DA WILL COVER THE KIND OF MEAT AND POTATOES OF, OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS.
UM, SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT VARIANCES, UH, SIGNS, IT'S GONNA ALLOW I 35 SIGN REGULATIONS TO APPLY TO ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO NOT JUST THE, THE PART THAT THAT FRONTS I 35, THIS WILL BE THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT SHOULD THE HOSPITAL NOT DEVELOP AND IT GOES TO PLAN B, THOSE SIGNED REGULATIONS WOULD ALSO APPLY TO THAT TRACK AS WELL.
UM, BUT IF THE HOSPITAL DEVELOPS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SIGN PACKAGE.
UH, SETBACK ALLOWS REDUCTION OF SETBACKS.
UH, FOR MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT, WE'RE LOOKING AT 10 FOOT FRONT SIDE, CORNER SIDE BACK, UH, ZERO ON INTERIOR SIDE.
UM, WHERE THE SETBACKS CAUSE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED UNDER STREET OR UNDER PAVEMENT, UNDER SIDEWALKS.
UM, THIS PUD WILL ALLOW THOSE STREETS TO BE PRIVATELY MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER TO LIMIT THE COST ON, ON THIS, UH, CITIZENS AND, AND WORK FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
SO, PUBLIC WORKS WILL GO IN REPAIR THE MAIN BRAKE, REPAIR THE BASE, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO REPAIR THE ASPHALT OR RE PAVEMENT.
UM, THIS PUD DOES CONTEMPLATE NO MINIMUM LOT SIZES OR AREAS AND LOT FRONTAGE REDUCTIONS, UM, OR, UH, CROSS, UH, OR ALLOW AND ALSO ALLOWS CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO CURRENTLY OUR SUBDIVISION REQUIRE FRONTAGE.
THIS IS GONNA ALLOW IT TO MAYBE SOME DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE, MAYBE SOME HAVE FLAG LOTS.
UH, AS WE GET INTO SITE PLANNING AND SUBDIVISION, WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THOSE, BUT IT DOES ALLOW MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE WAYS TO ACCESS THE SITE.
THE HEIGHT HERE, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS LAKE PARK DEVELOPMENT SIDE ONLY.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 120 FEET, UH, OR 14 STORIES FOR THE HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER AND OFFICE TOWERS.
THERE WERE SOME IDENTIFIED ON THAT, ONE OF THOSE IMAGES.
UM, AND THEN 10 STORIES FOR MULTIFAMILY AND VERTICAL MIXED USE STRUCTURES.
AGAIN, ONE 20 BEING THE, UH, THE NUMBER TO BE WATCHING THERE.
UM, THE I 35 OVERLAY DESIGN STANDARDS WILL COMPLY FOR FOUR STORIES OR LESS.
UM, SO IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AT THAT, THEY'RE GONNA ADHERE TO THE FULL I 35 OVERLAY STANDARDS.
ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, THEY'RE GONNA ADHERE TO THE EXHIBITS IN THE IMAGE, UH, OR IN THE DOCUMENT THAT SHOW EXAMPLES OF THE COMMERCIAL, THE OFFICE.
UM, SO IF YOU REVIEWED THOSE THROUGH THOSE PACKETS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED.
JUST FOR KIND OF REFERENCE, UH, THIS WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE.
UM, THIS IS THE RETAIL EXHIBIT.
UM, SO IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THIS ONE, UH, IS GONNA BE MAXIMUM AT 85 CENT PERCENT FOR THE OVERALL SITE.
UH, AND THAT'S BASED ON A NO DETENTION STUDY THAT WAS DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
THIS DETENTION STUDY DID INCLUDE OUR ATLAS 14 UPDATE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT MODEL.
UM, SO STAFF IS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS WITH INDIVIDUAL LOTS PERMITTED TO EXCEED THOSE 85%.
UM, BUT IT ALSO ADHERE HAS TO ADHERE TO THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE STAFF FEELS VERY COMFORTABLE AT OUR, OUR IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UH, DENSITY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, THERE'S NO UNIT PER ACRE CAP THAT YOU GENERALLY SEE IN THE R THREE THREE.
IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON IMPERVIOUS COVER HEIGHT AND SETBACKS.
UM, SO JUST THE FUNCTION OF PARKING, UM, SETBACKS AND, AND HEIGHT WILL, WILL DETERMINE WHAT THOSE DENSITIES ARE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SOME LUE DISCUSSIONS, UM, THAT'S A LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT SEWER CAPACITY.
UM, WE WILL FURTHER DICTATE THAT DENSITY, BUT THAT IS GONNA BE COVERED UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO, UM, WE WON'T, I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT HERE.
UM, NO FLORIDA AREA RATIOS ARE REQUIRED UNDER THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CODE.
UM, THERE ARE NO MINIMUM UNIT SIZES IN THIS, UH, SECTION, BUT IT MUST BE BASED ON THE ADOPTED INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES.
SO, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN, CERTAIN CODE REQUIREMENTS IN THE IBC THAT SAYS YOUR KITCHEN HAS TO BE SO MANY SQUARE FEET.
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BEDROOM FOR SINGLE OCCUPANCY HAS TO BE SO MANY SQUARE FEET.SO IN ESSENCE, THERE ARE MINIMUMS. IT'S JUST NOT A FLAT NUMBER.
PARKING ALLOWS SHARED PARKING BETWEEN USES.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT, UH, AND 10% OF THE TOTAL FOR GUEST PARKING.
UM, SO THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE ALL OF THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, RESTAURANTS ARE PARKED AT ONE SPACE PER 100 GROSS SQUARE FEET TO ACCOUNT FOR CUSTOMERS AND STAFF.
THIS IS SOMETHING, UH, CITY STAFF HAS BEEN PUSHING ON SOME, SOME NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF OUR ISSUES WITH RESTAURANT PARKING.
HOTEL IS PARKED AT 1.1 SPACE PER UNIT.
UM, AND THERE ARE NO PARKING MAXIMUMS. UH, IN THIS P UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, SO I 35 OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SHALL BE REVIEWED BY STAFF NOT P AND Z.
UM, AND THAT'LL BE FOR ADHERENCE TO THE PUD AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, SHOULD THERE BE ANY ISSUES OR THE DEVELOPER OR OR STAFF HAVE, HAVE, UH, A DISAGREEMENT ON WHAT THOSE ARE, WHETHER THEY MEET, THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD COME TO YOU.
UH, FOR DETERMINATION, UH, SITE PLANS WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR EACH PAD SITE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
UM, HOWEVER THIS PLAN, UH, THIS PUT DOES EX, UH, EXTEND THOSE EXPIRATION DATES, UH, TWO YEARS, UH, AND FIVE YEARS, UH, DEPENDING ON, ON THE TYPE OF PLAN THAT COMES IN.
UH, STREETS, UH, IT DOES ALLOW CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS.
AGAIN, NO LOT FRONTAGE ALLOWS FOR PRIVATE STREETS MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER.
ALLOWS FOR BLOCK LINKS TO BE EXCEEDED VIA APPROVED MEANS OF THE ADOPTED FIRE CODE.
SO, UM, FIRETRUCK BASICALLY JUST NEED TO TURN AROUND EVERY 500 FEET SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN GO FURTHER AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF BULB OUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, OTHER ALLOWANCES PER THIS PUD, UH, IT'S GONNA ALLOW 10 FOOT FENCING.
UM, IT WILL ALLOW AG EXEMPT PROPERTY, UH, TO BE EXEMPT FROM THE CITY'S MOWING REQUIREMENTS.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT OVER THE YEARS.
YOU MAY SEE SECTIONS DEVELOPED BEFORE OTHERS.
WHAT REMAINS IN AG WON'T BE, UM, WON'T BE GETTING LETTERS FROM THE CODE OFFICER DURING SPRING SAYING THEY HAVE TO MOW.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL KEEP THAT AG USE THERE.
UH, IT DOES ALLOW SOME OVERLAND DRAINAGE.
UM, SO GENERALLY EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE PUT IN STORM, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME AREAS, GAS LINES, UH, SENSITIVE INFRASTRUCTURE, VIBE, TRAILS THAT MAY ALLOW FOR, FOR OPEN FLOW OVERLAND.
UH, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF WILL BE, WILL BE UTILIZING STREET, UH, AND STORM SEWERS.
UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ALLOW, UH, THINGS TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE 100 FOOT STREAM SETBACK.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU SEE ALONG THE DAM ON THE FLOODPLAIN AREA, THEY'RE CONTEMPLATING SOME RESTAURANT USES.
UM, SO TO BE ABLE TO PUSH THOSE UP FURTHER THAN, THAN THAT 100 FOOT AND STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, CURRENTLY OUR CODE REQUIRES A BLANKET MUNICIPALITY, MUNICIPAL, MUNICIPAL UTILITY EASEMENTS ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
UH, THIS P'S GONNA ONLY REQUIRE THEM WHERE THOSE UTILITIES ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED.
SO WE'LL IDENTIFY THOSE DURING THE SUBDIVISION AND PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, SO NOW I'M GONNA JUMP INTO THE HOSPITAL SITE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE, UH, NORTH OR WEST OF MARKETPLACE, DEPENDING ON WHICH MAP YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA REFER TO AS CONCEPT PLAN A, OPTION A.
SO IF I USE THOSE TERMS IT INTERCHANGEABLY, THAT'S WHAT, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S LAND FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.
UM, THE YELLOW LINE IS ACTUALLY GONNA FORM, UH, BE A DONATION AS PART OF THE, THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR VIBE TRAIL.
AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO GIVING SOME ADDITIONAL LAND FOR OUR TANK EXPANSION.
SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF A WIN-WIN FOR, FOR THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER HERE.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE PARKING GARAGE, A HOSPITAL, SEVEN STORIES, AND THEN, UH, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UH, SUPPORT FACILITIES.
SO AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE HOSPITAL, SEVEN FLOORS, UH, GROSS FLOOR AREA AROUND 700,000 SQUARE FEET OR 550 HOSPITAL BEDS.
UM, FOUR OTHER MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, FOUR FLOORS WITH TOTAL GROSS FLOOR AREA OF 80,000 SQUARE FOOT EACH.
AND THEN OTHER MEDICAL OFFICES AND SUPPORT USES WITHIN THOSE, UH, GIFT SHOPS, UH, CAFETERIA, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND AS WELL AS HOSPITAL MAY HAVE A HELIPAD, UM, LOCATED ON THE SITE.
UM, SO IN THIS ONE, UH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ALTERNATIVE SIGN PACKAGE FOR THE HOSPITAL.
UM, AGAIN, THAT JUST APPLIES FOR THE HOSPITAL ITSELF.
WITH THAT GETS DEVELOPED, UH, SETBACKS ALLOWS REDUCTION OF SETBACKS.
UH, 50 FOOT IS REQUIRED SETBACK, BUT THAT MAY BE ADJUSTED VIA SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, THAT'LL BE A STAFF DETERMINATION ON, BASED ON OTHER FACTORS, SAFETY, DRAINAGE, UM, LOOMING.
AGAIN, NO LOT MINIMUM SIZES OR AREAS AND LOT FRONTAGE, UH, REDUCTIONS ARE ALLOWED.
AND THEN ALSO CROSS AX EASEMENTS ARE ALLOWED, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT SITE BREAKS UP.
UH, THE HEIGHT ON THIS ONE, A MAXIMUM IS GONNA BE 150 FOR THE HOSPITAL.
AND HELIPAD AGAIN, IMPERVIOUS COVER, AGAIN, IS BASED ON THE ENTIRE SITE AT 85%, SAME AS THE LAKE PARK TRACT.
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TO OUR LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE.SO THE REALITY BETWEEN THE PARK LAND, THE, THE FLOODPLAIN AREAS, WE DON'T THINK THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET TO THAT AREA MAYBE ON A PER LOT BASIS, BUT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE UNDERNEATH THAT.
UH, PARKING, THE HOSPITAL TRACK DOES ALLOW PARKING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, UH, EITHER VEGETATIVE OR SMALL WING WALLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE NOT A REQUEST IN VARIANCES TO THAT.
UM, BUT IT DOES ALLOW THAT PARKING IN FRONT, AGAIN, ALLOWS FOR PRIVATE STREETS MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER AND ALLOWS BLOCK LANES TO BE APPROVED, UH, VIA THE ADOPTED FIRE CODE.
UM, SO OTHER VARIANCES, THIS ONE WILL ALLOW, UH, FENCES UP TO 12 FEET IN HEIGHT AROUND SOME SENSITIVE FACILITIES.
SO BASICALLY OUR WATER TOWER TANKS, UH, TRY AND HIDE THAT FACILITY A LITTLE BIT FROM THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOSPITAL.
UM, AND THERE'S, AGAIN, THAT'S A SEPARATE DONATION AGREEMENT THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE'LL WORK OUT FENCE MATERIALS, UH, PAINT COLORS AND ALL OF THAT.
UH, THIS DOES ALLOW STAFF APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
AGAIN, NOT, NOT GOING TO P AND Z.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CUT Y'ALL OUT.
UH, BUT THIS IS KIND OF A COMPLICATED PUT, AND SO STAFF WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF STICK IN WITH IT AND, AND KIND OF MOVE ON.
UH, AGAIN, AG EXEMPT PROPERTIES SHALL, SHALL NOT FOLLOW THE CITY'S MOWING REGULATIONS.
UM, SO NOW I'M GONNA TALK HOSPITAL CONCEPT PLAN B.
UM, THIS IS WHAT WOULD, HOW THE PARK PROPERTIES COULD DEVELOP IF A HOSPITAL IS NOT DEVELOPED ON SITE.
AGAIN, THE PLAN IS, IS FOR THAT HOSPITAL THERE, UM, THIS WOULD HAVE SOME MULTI, UH, FAMILY, UH, RETAIL RESTAURANT, UM, ASSISTED LIVING.
UM, SOME PRIVATE PARKS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THAT LAND USE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN, THAT LAND PLAN MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
THE PUD DOES GIVE IT SOME FLEXIBILITY, KIND OF MOVE BUILDINGS.
UM, THEY'LL SUBMIT THE KIND OF THEIR CHANGES TO STAFF AND WE'LL LOOK TO VERIFY IF THIS IS A MINOR MAJOR AMENDMENT, AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO GET THAT APPROVED PROPOSED LAND USES ON, UH, THE HOSPITAL.
PLAN B WOULD BE, AGAIN, MULTIFAMILY, VERTICAL MIXED USE, COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RETAIL RESTAURANT, SENIOR LIVING HOTEL, AGAIN, PUBLIC PARKLAND AND PRIVATE PARKLAND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA FOLLOW THOSE OF THE LAKE PARK TRACK THAT ARE KIND OF COVERED IN THE LAST ONE.
SO, UM, SIGNAGE THAT I 35 WILL CARRY OVER YOUR SETBACKS, YOUR PRIVATE STREETS, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THAT IS THE SAME.
UM, SO PARKLAND DEDICATION, UH, THE LAKE PARK TRACK MAY DONATE APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES FOR A PUBLIC PARK.
UH, HAVE AN IMAGE TO SHOW YOU ON A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE PRIVATE PARKLAND SHALL BE ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THE PARK AREAS THAT THEY OWN WILL BE ALL MAINTAINED BY THEM.
BUT OPEN FOR US, UH, THE HOSPITAL TRACT, AGAIN, IS GONNA PROVIDE AN EASEMENT FOR A SECTION OF THE VIBE.
AND THEN PARKLAND FEES FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS SHALL BE PAID AT THE SITE OF, UH, SITE PLANNING, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO THE WILL DO THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ITSELF, BUT THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES WILL BE PAID FOR EVERY MULTIFAMILY UNIT THAT GOES UP.
ADDITIONAL LAND WILL BE DONATED BY THE CITY FOR THE EXTENSIONAL MARKETPLACE, OR TO THE CITY FOR THE EXTENSIONAL MARKETPLACE AND EXPANSION OF THE CITY'S WATER FACILITIES.
AND THAT'LL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE CITY'S ROAD BOND PACKAGE.
UM, THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST GENERAL GUIDELINES.
UM, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, THAT THIS ARE THE BOUNDARIES, BUT THAT'S THE GENERAL IDEA.
UH, THE APPLICANT MAY GO THROUGH A CLR PROCESS, UH, LOOK AT REDEFINING THOSE FLOODWAYS FLOODPLAINS.
SO THIS, THIS AREA MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT IS GENERALLY WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA BE NEGOTIATED AT A LATER DATE.
AND SO, UM, I HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE PACKAGE YOU RECEIVED.
UM, WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING UP, UH, FOLLOW A MEETING THIS MORNING.
WE DISCOVERED A COUPLE OF ERRORS IN THE CODE MODIFICATION TABLE.
UM, SINCE THOSE WERE ALREADY DISSEMINATED TO THE PUBLIC, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE BEST TO HANDLE THEM AS STAFF RECOMMENDED MODIFICATIONS.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THAT, SO EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THOSE.
UH, SO I'M LISTING THEM OUT HERE SO THAT IF THERE ARE ANY MODIFICATIONS YOU WANNA MAKE, YOU CAN MAKE THOSE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN JUST SAY, AND PLUS THE MODIFICATIONS LISTED BY STAFF.
SO TRY AND TRY AND KEEP YOUR MOTION.
I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
UM, SO LEMME GO THROUGH, UM, SOME OF OUR MODIFICATIONS.
UM, THESE ARE ALL TWO EXHIBITS, D, D ONE AND D TWO IN THE PUD.
AND THOSE COVERED THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE LAKE PARK, THE HOSPITAL, AND HOSPITAL B.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MODIFY SECTION 53 DASH 7 24.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S PAGE 35, EXHIBIT D, PAGE 90 OF D TWO.
WE JUST WANT TO MODIFY THAT LANGUAGE TO MATCH THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PROPOSED IN THE PUD DOCUMENT ITSELF.
UM, SO WE JUST WANNA MARRY, MAKE SURE THOSE TWO ARE MARRIED.
AND THIS TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU DO MINOR AND, AND MAJOR AMENDMENTS.
UM, WE ARE GONNA DELETE SECTION 4 1 3 9 AND SECTION 4 1 1 4 6.
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UM, THE, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA JUST GO AHEAD AND ADHERE TO CITY CODE ON THOSE.SO, UM, THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
UM, EXHIBIT D, PAGE 33 AND EXHIBIT D TWO, PAGE 88.
UM, THESE ARE SOME CLARIFYING THE SIGN ORDINANCE SECTION.
UM, SO WE'RE ADDING CHAPTER 29, UM, SIGNS, SECTIONS 29 DASH 16 G TWO, AND SECTIONS 29 17.
THIS ALLOWS BACKLIT CHANNEL SIGNS, IT ALLOWS CANOPY SIGNS, ROOF SIGNS, HOW WALL SIGNS ARE CALCULATED.
UM, AND IT ALSO EXTENDS, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE I 35 COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE SECTION TO THE ENTIRE TRACT.
UM, AND THEN EXHIBIT D ONE, PAGE 81.
UH, WE'RE ADDING THE KIND OF SAME SECTIONS TO ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE SHOULD, SHOULD THAT, HOW THAT TRACK DEVELOPS.
UM, BUT IT WOULD NOT EXTEND THE I 35.
IT WOULD JUST BE THOSE CERTAIN VARIANCES.
SO I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
I KNOW I TALKED REALLY FAST, BUT PLEASE, UH, HOPEFULLY I CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOU THOSE YOU HAVE TODAY.
UM, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER JAMES.
UH, SO ON THE HELIPAD FOR THE, FOR THIS BUILDING, HOW FAR IS IT TO THE STREET COMPARED OVER TO THE ONE AT SETON? SO I CANNOT ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE NOT SEEN A FULL-BLOWN SITE PLAN.
THIS IS VERY SCHEMATIC IN NATURE.
BUT IF JUST FROM WHERE THIS IS ON, ON HERE ABOUT REPRESENTATIVE THE HO FROM THE HOSPITAL, MAYBE BIT BETTER ANSWER THAT MICHAEL MICHAEL WAY ON BEHALF OF, UH, ST.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A HUGE INVESTMENT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
AND, UM, WE'VE SPENT WEEKS, MONTHS, UH, WORKING THROUGH IT.
UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO A, THE RIGHT SPOT.
WE HAVE A PRETTIER ONE, UM,
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UH, ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE ON TOP OF THE ROOF.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE ONE THAT HAS OURS REAL QUICKLY? THE, LIKE THE VIBE TRAIL? I THINK THE VIBE TRAIL ONE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ON THE ROOF IF I REMEMBER.
SO, UM, TYPICALLY THE WAY THIS WILL WORK IS WE'RE GONNA START WITH A THREE STORY STRUCTURE, THREE STORY BUILDING.
FIRST TWO FLOORS WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 55 BEDS.
UM, STRUCTURALLY IT'LL BE ABLE TO CARRY THE WEIGHT OF THE ADDITIONAL FLOORS THAT WILL BE ADDED ON.
THIS IS THE WAY THEY TYPICALLY BUILD 'EM.
'CAUSE THE CAPACITY WILL BE GROWING OVER THE A PERIOD OF TIME.
THE HELIPAD WILL TYPICALLY BE OUTSIDE.
TO BE SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE EXACTLY FIGURED OUT WHERE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SEE MY, UH, IT'LL PROBABLY BE IN THAT GENERAL AREA 'CAUSE THEY WON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL BE OUT.
THEY'LL HAVE THAT WING BUILT QUITE AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE ON THE ROOF.
SO ULTIMATELY IT'S GONNA END UP ON THE ROOF OF THE HOSPITAL.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT THEY DO.
UH, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UH, ON THE VIBE TRAIL HERE, AS WE HAVE SEEN ON THIS SIDE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA FROM CITY HOW THIS SIDE IS GONNA CONNECT WITH THE VIBE TRAIL ON THE OTHER SIDE? UH, I'LL LET WILL'S OUR RESIDENT VIBE EXPERT.
UH, I KNOW WHERE THIS ONE IS ON THIS SITE, BUT CONNECTIONS, I'M A LITTLE, LITTLE SPOTTY ON IT.
UH, YOU LET ME STEP UP THERE WILL ATKINSON FOR THE RECORD.
SO, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TO THE SOUTH OF 1626? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT TO THE EAST.
YEAH, FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST HERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S A VIBE TRAIL COMING INTO THAT BUILT THE, THAT, UH, SHOPPING CENTER THAT WE PUT ON THE, SORRY, NORTH OF 1626.
WAIT, SO, UH, WHERE, WHERE, UH, CHIPOTLE AND EVERYTHING WENT.
SO BECAUSE IT RELATES TO A CONNECTION POINT WITH THIS PUD ZONING, I'M GONNA DISCUSS THE SITE TO THE SOUTH ACROSS 1626 AS IT RELATES TO THE BI TRAIL CONNECTION.
UM, SO ON THE, LET PULL IT BACK UP OVER HERE TO THE HOSPITAL SITE.
SO UP IN THE RIGHT IN THIS AREA, THIS IS OUR BUILD OUT EXPANDED WATER TANK FACILITY RIGHT HERE IS THIS FM 1626 BRIDGE GOING OVER THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD GOING WEST.
SO THIS LINE RIGHT HERE IS THE
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VIBE TRAIL THAT'LL GO UNDER AND AT GRADE UNDERNEATH THE OVERPASS.AND IT'S GONNA COME AROUND ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE 12 FOOT MASONRY WALL IS GOING TO BE AND LOOP AROUND HERE AND THEN COME UP ALL THE WAY OVER TO HERE, WHICH IS THE, ABOUT THE EXISTING END OF MARKETPLACE COMING SOUTH.
AND ON THE, AND IT'S GOING TO AT GRADE CROSS AND CONNECT TO THE EXISTING BOB SHELL COMING DOWN FROM THE LIVE OAK WAREHOUSE.
RIGHT NOW, WHEN IT GOES SOUTH ON 1626 OR UNDERNEATH IT, IT'S GONNA TIE IN TO THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT'S BEING DESIGNED.
UH, THAT'S GONNA JUMP ALSO OVER TO THE CRU CROMWELL DRIVE WITH CSW.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ALL INTEGRATED.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A SPUR COMING DOWN THE LAKE AS WELL ON THE EAST SIDE OF MARKETPLACE ALONG THE, THE 20 ACRE PARK AND GOING UNDER 35 AND THEN POPPING BACK UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LOWE'S RIGHT THERE TOO.
DOES THAT ANSWER? SO LOTS OF WAYS TO VIBE.
SO MY QUESTIONS, UM, PRIMARILY ARE, OH, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON PLEASE? GREAT.
I DUNNO WHY I KEEP DOING THAT.
UM, MY QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO YES, THE LAKE PARK CONCEPT AREA.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS YOU, WE WANT THE, WE'RE DOING THE CON, UH, CONFERENCE HOTEL AT 14 STORIES.
THIS WOULD BE N FIVE BUILDING N FIVE ON THIS ONE.
UM, HAVE, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO ASSUME, BUT HAVE WE CONTACTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN HANDLE A BUILDING THAT TALL? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ONE IN THE CITY.
THIS WOULD BE THE TALLEST BUILDING IN THE CITY.
SO HAVE WE CONTACTED, OR SOMEBODY CONTACTED, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO HANDLE A BUILDING THAT TALL IN THIS CITY AT THIS TIME? UH, AT THE TIME OF OAKLY IT'LL BE BUILT.
SO BUILDINGS OF THAT SIZE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT CAN HANDLE THOSE.
WE HAVE NOT HAD DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS FAR AS HOW THEY WOULD FIGHT THOSE FIRES.
UM, ULTIMATELY WHAT HAPPENS WITH STRUCTURES LIKE THIS ON THE HEIGHT IS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL BUILDING CODE MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO, UM, EVEN THE CURRENT HOSPITAL TO GET TO THOSE NINE STORIES.
SO, UH, UH, I'M NOT A FIRE CODE EXPERT.
I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOUR LADDER TRUCK, UH, 30 FOOT LONG, MAYBE IT HAS THREE RUNGS OF EXTENSIONS.
UM, THAT'S ASSUMING THEY HAVE THE CLEARANCE TO GET OUT THAT FAR.
UM, SO THIS, THIS STRUCTURE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME IN FOR PERMITTING, AGAIN, THE ZONING WILL ALLOW UP TO THAT HEIGHT.
BUT UNLESS THEY CAN MEET THE FIRE CODE WITH OUR FIREFIGHTING CAPABILITIES, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TO BRING THAT DOWN.
AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS THIS ALL TO THE, UM, THE WEST SIDE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY BUTS UP TO, UH, KYLE CROSSING IT DOESN'T, BUT UP TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD? CORRECT.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT KYLE CROSSING ONLY BEING THE TWO LANE WITH, OF COURSE THE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SHRINKING BECAUSE OF THAT LOW WATER CROSSING THERE.
UM, ARE WE GOING TO, IS THERE GOING TO BE ACCESS FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD, YOU KNOW, WITH LIKE CROSS STREETS TO GET TO IT? BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA GET TO IT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE FRONTAGE ROAD OR YOU KNOW, THE NORTH.
THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO, YOU KNOW, COME DOWN.
UM, KYLE CROSSING AND I JUST WITH A SIZE OF THE, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT THIS SIZE, I DON'T SEE KYLE CROSSING AS BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.
AND IF YOU CAN SEE THIS LITTLE PORTION, THIS SOUTHERN SPUR MM-HMM.
UM, ONCE THIS GETS IMPROVED, I THINK IT'LL GENERALLY, AS PEOPLE KIND OF LEARN, UH, TRAFFIC IS KIND OF LIKE WATER FINDS THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL KIND OF LEARN, LOOK, I'M NOT GONNA GO DOWN THE ONE LANE BRIDGE 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA WAIT 45 MINUTES FOR ALL THE CARS THAT DON'T HAVE TO YIELD.
UM, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THE, THE BRIDGE ITSELF, OUR LIMITED ABILITY TO WIDEN OR DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
UM, REGARDLESS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, WE DID DISCUSS AN OPPORTUNITY OF MAYBE CUTTING THROUGH THE PROJECT ITSELF,
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UM, AND, AND NORTH OF THE BRIDGE.UM, BUT THAT KIND OF GETS INTO THE DAM SPILLWAY AREA.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY, ANY ENGINEERING MOST LIKELY.
UM, THE CITY WILL, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AS THESE PROPERTIES DEVELOP BETWEEN THE FRONTAGE AND KYLE CROSSING, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN MOST LIKELY A SECOND BRIDGE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT EXISTING BRIDGE OR DO SOME MORE, UH, ACCESS POINTS TO THERE.
BUT, UH, I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER RIGHT NOW ON HOW THAT'S GONNA PLAY OUT.
UM, BUT JUST AS WE KIND OF GET THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND KIND OF SEE THEIR PLANS AND, AND GO FROM THERE, THEN WE'LL START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO TO THIS AREA AND HOW DOES THAT BRIDGE HANDLE IT? BUT WE ARE KIND OF LIMITED.
'CAUSE I CAN SEE IT, I CAN SEE MARKETPLACE BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC ONCE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS EXTENDED TO THE FOUR LANES THAT IT'S GONNA BE, OR FIVE LANES IN SOME SPOTS.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE COMING FROM THE NORTH.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO USE EITHER THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND TURN DOWN ANOTHER LITTLE TWO LANE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, UH, BEHIND, UM, HEB OR KYLE CROSSING AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A VERY SMALL TWO LANE ROAD.
AND SO I'M, I I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SEE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAVE THIS CUT OUT, UH, AT THE END ONE AND IN TWO, MAYBE ANOTHER SPUR WHERE WELL, AND THE ONLY REASON WE'RE SHOWING THIS SPUR, 'CAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? NO, AND I, I'D LIKE TO HOPEFULLY MAYBE AT SOME POINT SEE A SPUR FROM S FOUR, YOU KNOW, TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD DIRECTLY TO THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO GO ON TWO LANE ROADS.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS IMAGE, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION.
UM, IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE PLACE DURING THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.
UM, IS THIS, THIS STREET HERE WHERE, WHERE IT DEAD ENDS, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT CONNECTING THIS UP TO MARKETPLACE SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SECONDARY ROUTE OUT OF THERE.
UM, AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEE, BUT THAT ARE, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE SITE.
UM, THIS MM-HMM,
UM, IT CREATES SOME CHALLENGING PLANNING, UM, ISSUES, BUT I I THINK THE DEVELOPERS AND STAFF ARE UP UP FOR THAT.
NO, I MEAN, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WOULD BE TO JUST DE SORT OF CLOSE THAT OFF.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THAT SMALL, I MEAN, IT CAN BE REPLACED, BUT JUST MAKING IT PART OF THE, UH, UH, WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT LITTLE, THE LITTLE ROAD THERE, UH, UH, WITH THAT LITTLE WATER CROSSING THERE, MAKING PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT SORT OF, UM, I, I MEAN JUST, I MEAN, JUST SHUTTING OFF THE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TRAFFIC GOING THERE AND THAT KIND OF, NO, IT WOULDN'T BE JUST SHUT OFF.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A SECONDARY ROUTE EITHER CONSTRUCTED, UM, AGAIN, SPITBALLING IDEAS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S, IT'S MOST LIKELY A SECOND BRIDGE SOUTH OF THAT ONE.
AND THEN THAT BRIDGE BECOMES PART OF OUR TRAIL NETWORK OR OUR PARK SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, UM, THOSE ARE REALLY FINE DETAILS THAT, THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO AT THIS POINT.
UM, IT'LL BE SUBJECT TO THIS COUNCIL, FUTURE COUNCILS KIND OF DEPENDING ON THE TIMING.
I, I'D LIKE TO ADD, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE AT THAT NARROW BRIDGE, THE ONLY THING WE CAN REALLY DO FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE TO IS TO PERFORM MAINTENANCE ON IT, LIKE, UH, MILLING AND OVERLAY, BECAUSE THAT IS THE FIRST CONCRETE BRIDGE IN HAYES COUNTY.
SO WE HAVE TO, ANY, ANY SOLUTION IN AND AROUND THAT, WE HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL.
I THINK IT'S LIKE PART OF OLD HIGHWAY TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE RUN INTO THIS ALL THE TIME.
YOU COULD LITERALLY JUST TAKE REPLACE, TAKE THE BRIDGE OUT AND DONATE IT TO PLACE IT ON THE PARK, YOU KNOW? AND SO WHERE THE, THE BRIDGE ITSELF STAYS, I MEAN, WE DO THAT JUST ALL THE TIME WITH HISTORIC BRIDGES.
THEY JUST TAKE 'EM APART OR LITERALLY TAKE THEM UP, DONATE 'EM TO THE COUNTY.
YOU HEARD IT FROM TEXDOT THEMSELVES WE'RE GOOD.
NOT SPEAKING MY TEXTILE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO, FOR WITH HISTORIC COORDINATION AND JUST SAY, OH, WE'RE DONATING A BRIDGE AS WE, NO, IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CONSIDERED EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.
WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT KIND OF BYPASSING THAT BRIDGE, BUT JUST AS WHERE WE'RE AT, IT JUST, WE WEREN'T READY TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, IT'S ON PAGE 35 ON THE, UH, SCREEN ON IT'S SECTION 53 4, 2 4,
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I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, REGARDING, UM, MAKING MINOR AMENDMENTS TO, UH, THE LAND PLAN, UH, WITHOUT SENDING MANAGER APPROVAL REGARDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND, AND SO FORTH.UM, TELL ME WHAT A MINOR AMENDMENT MIGHT BE IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, ACTUALLY THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE, UH, AMENDMENT STAFF IS PROPOSING.
UM, SO WE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE P ORDINANCE ITSELF.
UM, AND SO WE WANT THAT SECTION THAT YOU'RE PULLING UP, UH, TO MATCH OUR POD ORDINANCE.
UM, YEAH, SO YOU'RE READING, UH, PAGE 22 OF THE POD ORDINANCE.
UM, OKAY, LET ME PULL THAT ONE UP.
UM, BUT YES, YOU ARE, YOU ARE FAIR TO QUESTION THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN STAFF HAD.
UM, WE DIDN'T FEEL CHANGES TO CITY INFRASTRUCTURE WAS A MINOR AMENDMENT.
UM, SO HERE IS THE LANGUAGE THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO USE.
UM, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE WANTING TO MIRROR THIS LANGUAGE INTO THAT SECTION OF CODE.
UM, OWNER MAY SUBMIT MINOR AMENDMENTS TO LAND PLANS, INCLUDING CHANGES TO LAYOUT OF USE DRIVEWAYS, LOTS AND ONSITE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, UM, TO DETERMINE IF AMENDMENT IS MAJOR OR MINOR AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PUD ORDINANCE.
UM, THEN IT CLASSIFIES WHAT A MINOR AMENDMENT IS, UM, AND THEN WHAT A MAJOR AMENDMENT IS, AND THEN HOW IF THERE'S A DISCREPANCY OR, OR, UM, SOME CONFLICT, HOW THAT GETS APPEALED.
SO, UM, WE DEFINITELY WERE CONCERNED THAT YOU COULD JUST KIND OF GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AND FILE IT AND THERE WOULD BE NO REVIEW.
SO WE, WE FEEL THIS LANGUAGE WILL COVER THE CITY ON, ON MAJOR, MAJOR AND MINOR AMENDMENTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE IMPORTANT I WOULD SEE.
AND, UH, ALSO ON FUTURE PHASES OF THE, UH, HOSPITAL SECTION, I, IF, UM, FUTURE PHASES MAY BE EXEMPT FROM 10% LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, WELL, THEY, THEY WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE FUTURE LANDSCAPE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SITE IS BUILT OUT, WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, THEY STILL ARE CAPPED AT THEIR 85% ON, ON KIND OF THAT SECTION.
UM, THE, THE TWO SECTIONS ARE KIND OF WEIRD.
THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED AT 85% OVERALL, BUT THE MARKETPLACE ROAD IS GOING TO, IN ESSENCE, KIND OF CREATE A DAM BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
UM, SO MOST LIKELY THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON, ON THAT SIDE TO KIND OF OFFSET WITHOUT HAVING TO DO SOME MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK ON THE, THE ROAD ITSELF WITH CULVERTS AND STORM PIPES.
SO, UM, WE WERE KIND OF COMFORTABLE WITH THAT LAND, BUT IT, OR THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND AS A CHANGE, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO AND WE CAN BRING THAT UP WITH COUNSEL, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION, ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, YOU LITERALLY SURVEYED THE LAND QUITE WELL.
UH, ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT THE, UH, THE POND, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC STUDIES REQUIRED AND NO OFFSITE TRAFFIC OR, UM, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IS IT ALWAYS THE CASE IN THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD SEE THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR OFF, UH, FOR TRAFFIC STUDIES? UM, I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
IN THE CASE WITHIN THE CITY OF KYLE THAT'S KIND OF STANDARD.
UM, CITY OF KYLE DOES NOT REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS OR SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, WE IMPLORE, UH, EMPLOY THE, UH, ADJACENT LANE MILE FEE.
UM, SO THAT'S A FORMULA BASED ON THE LAND USE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, KIND OF HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GENERATED, AND THAT FEE IS PAID, UH, TO A LINE ITEM WHERE THE CITY CAN THEN USE THOSE FUNDS TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ON THOSE STREETS.
UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, FOR, FOR A WHILE NOW.
UM, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE, UM, ESPECIALLY ALONG, UH, KYLE CROSSING THE BRIDGE.
BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF MARKETPLACE, THAT EXTENSION ITSELF IS GONNA KIND OF CHANGE TRAFFIC PATTERNS THERE.
SO, UM, THIS IS KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UH, THE, THE COMMON COMPLAINT IN THE CITY, OF COURSE, IS THAT, UH, THE, UM, THE, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROLS AND SO FORTH LAG SO FAR BEHIND DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S, UH, ONE GOOD REASON TO ASK THE QUESTION.
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QUESTION JUST, UH, PART OF A LEARNING EXPERIENCE HERE, BUT ATTACHMENT B TWO ON PAGE 60, UM, AS I HAVE IN MY NOTES, AT ANY RATE, IT HAS A, UH, CLAUSE IN THERE ABOUT CONFLICTS.AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, UH, COUNCIL, I WOULD SUPPOSE IF COUNCIL'S PRESENT, BUT IT WOULD HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THIS, BUT UNDER THE, UH, CLAUSE HAVING TO DO WITH CONFLICTS, IT SAYS TO THE EX, UH, EXTENT OF ANY CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE POD ORDINANCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PERTAINING TO LAND USE, SITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, REGULATIONS OR LAND DEVELOPMENT MATTERS, THIS P ORDINANCE SHALL PREVAIL.
SO THAT MEANS THAT PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS NO STANDING GIVEN THIS CLAUSE.
WELL, THAT IS MORE CONFLICTS WITHIN THE EXISTING ZONING CODE.
UM, SO WE'VE INCLUDED A BUNCH OF VARIANCES WITHIN THIS, UH, DOCUMENT FROM OUR CODE.
UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
UM, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UM, SAY THE ACREAGES OR THE PERCENTAGES DIDN'T MATCH ON, UM, LANDSCAPING VERSUS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
GENERALLY, THEY ADD UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT IS USUALLY WHAT YOU GET TO.
SO IF THE CODE REQUIRES, UH, 15% LANDSCAPING AND THE PUD, UM, ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, 90% IMPERVIOUS COVER, IF THERE'S A CONFLICT THERE, THEN THIS PUD WOULD WIN OUT VERSUS THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND SO THE, THE PUD WOULD WIN OUT IF THERE'S, UH, AN EXEMPTION FROM, UH, 10% LANDSCAPING THEN.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CHANGE.
I'LL LET, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, DISCUSS THAT IF THEY WANT TO.
YOU ADDRESSED MY ESSENTIAL QUESTIONS.
THAT WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION, AND I COULD CHECK OFF MY LIST PRETTY WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.
I HAVE TWO ITEMS. MORE ADMINISTRATIVE THAN ANYTHING.
STUFF THAT I JUST NOTICED RECENTLY.
UM, IN PART ONE, ON PAGE 34, EXHIBIT D CODE MODIFICATIONS, IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE 10 STORIES.
WE WERE GIVEN A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF FEET FOR THE OTHER ITEMS AS WELL AS STORIES, BUT WE WERE ONLY TOLD THE NUMBER OF STORIES FOR MULTIFAMILY.
IS IT THE SAME NUMBERS OF FEET? IS IT STILL ONE 20 OR IT IS STILL GONNA BE 1 21 20.
UM, SO IF THEY DESIGNED, UH, MAYBE SMALLER, UH, FLOOR PLATES ON THE GROUND, FLOOR AND UPPER FLOORS, AND THEY WANTED TO SQUEEZE IN THAT 15TH FLOOR, BUT THEY WERE AT THE ONE 20, UM, WE WOULD SAY NO, IT'S KIND OF BOTH.
UM, BUT GENERALLY JUST CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS THE WAY THAT IS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, 12 FOOT WALL PLATE ON EACH FLOOR, UM, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO DO.
UH, USUALLY YOUR FIRST FLOOR IS 16 FEET AND YOUR SECOND FLOORS CAN AND GO FROM 10 TO 12.
SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW THEY CONSTRUCT AND DESIGN THE BUILDING.
UM, MY LAST COMMENT, IT'S MORE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
UM, SO THIS SPANS BOTH PART ONE AND PART TWO.
SO WE'RE SAYING HOSPITALS BE SEVEN STORIES.
SO PART ONE ON PAGE 38, SECTION 41 DASH 1 36 CHART, 1 53 DASH 33 CHART ONE.
IT STATES 120 FEET FOR HOSPITAL FACILITY.
BUT PART TWO, PAGE 28, SAME SECTIONS, 41 DASH 1 36 CHART, 1 53 DASH 33 CHART.
ONE STATES, UM, STATES MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 150 FEET FOR HOSPITAL.
SO THE NUMBER THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN SAYING, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOMETIMES DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
WHAT PAGE NUMBER WAS THAT? SO WE CAN MAKE A NOTE.
SO PART ONE, PAGE 38 AND PART TWO, PAGE 28.
SO PAGE 38 IS THE LAKE PARK TRIP.
UH, SO THE LAKE PARK TRACK COULD ALSO HAVE A HOSPITAL ON IT.
THERE'S, IF WE
SO IF WE DO NOT CLOSE, UM, ON THIS HOSPITAL TRACT, THEY COULD DEVELOP A HOSPITAL, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE PURCHASE CONTRACT THAT WOULD NOT BE FOR 20 YEARS, I BELIEVE.
SO IT WOULD BE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF FOR SOME REASON THIS WEREN'T TO PASS AND ST.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST A FALLBACK MEASURE.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING IN TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS WITH TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, UM, THAT PART APPLIES ONLY TO THE LAKE PART TRACT, WHEREAS THE PART TWO APPLIES ONLY TO THE HOSPITAL TRACT.
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SO THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS FROM ME.UM, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ITEM.
AND COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, REMIND Y'ALL ANY MOTIONS Y'ALL MAKE, IF Y'ALL COULD INCLUDE, UM, THE REQUESTED CHANGES AS STAFF PRESENTED, THAT'D BE THE EASIEST WAY TO ADD 'EM TO YOUR MOTION ON THE SCREEN.
CAN YOU
IT'S EASIER FOR YOU GUYS AS OKAY.
ONE QUICK QUESTION, CHAIR OF, OF THE, THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE'LL BE SEEING IT AS PLANNING AND ZONING, ISN'T IT? UH, YES.
THIS WILL GO TO COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 5TH FOR FIRST READ.
AND SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, DURING THE COURSE OF, UH, SITE PLANNING AND EVERYTHING IN PARTICULARS OF THAT, THAT STAYS WITH YOU FOLKS, UH, STAFF FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, YOU'LL BE SEEING ANYTHING, UH, FOR BUILDINGS, FOUR STORIES OR UNDER.
UM, AND THEN ANY, UH, IF THERE'S ANY DEBATE ON, UH, A RULING OR WHAT SOMETHING MEANS IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK, BACK TO Y'ALL.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? WITH A MOTION? COMMISSIONER JAMES, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM FIVE B WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY STAFF SECOND.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? SUGGESTED OR RECOMMENDED? RECRE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
UM, IS THERE ANY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JAMES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MATA TOTI.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JAMES, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEGEL TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE B WITH THE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YES.
SO THIS IS THE BACK HALF OF MY SECOND TERM, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST PIECES OF MIXED USES AND DEVELOPMENT OF A SITE THAT WE HAVE SEEN INCREASING DENSITY AND EFFECTIVE WAY, AND NOT BEING SPREAD OUT AND BEING CLEAR ABOUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR YEARS.
WELL, IT'S ALSO, CITIZENS HAVE ASKED US TO BE BOLD IN THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF, AND I KNOW THERE IS SOME WORRIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LARGER BUILDINGS, BUT I THINK THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY AS THE CITY OF KYLE TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE DEFINING OURSELVES IN THIS WAY.
LIKE, WE'RE NO LONGER JUST A STOP ON THE ROAD ANYMORE.
WE'RE, WE'RE A TOWN OF ALMOST 70,000, ALMOST 60,000 PEOPLE HEADED TO 70,000, HEADED TO MORE THAN THAT.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS NOW, PASS THESE THINGS NOW, AND REALLY SET OURSELVES UP IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.
AND THIS GIVES US A SHOT TO DO IT.
AND ALSO, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT LIKE, BRINGING IN ANOTHER HOSPITAL IS REALLY, HAS BEEN A REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT I'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS BEING ABLE TO GET SOME WAIT TIMES DOWN, BEING ABLE TO GET, UM, MORE BEDS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S AWESOME THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF ALL OF THESE THINGS, UM, IN THIS ITEM.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR BRINGING THIS AND WORKING SO HARD ON THIS AS STAFF AND EVERYTHING.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE JUST A COMMENTS.
UH, AGAIN, ECHOING, UH, COMMISSIONER JAMES.
I THINK THESE KIND OF CON UM, PROJECTS ARE INCREDIBLY COMPLEX.
I'VE WORKED IN HEALTHCARE FOR MANY YEARS AND FOR DIFFERENT HOSPITAL SYSTEMS, AND IT'S HARD TO GET SOMETHING ON THE GROUND.
UM, IT'S ESPECIALLY HARD TO GET SOMETHING ON THE GROUND WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS GOING WITH IT.
IT'S A REALLY, UH, INTRICATE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AND IN ITS SOME PARTICULAR WAYS.
THAT'S WHY REALLY WANT TO THANK STAFF.
UM, AND I REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'LL NOT ONLY HAVE MORE DENSITY OR CENTRAL MASS HERE FOR AROUND MEDICAL OR HEALTHCARE, BUT ALSO IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OTHER PROFESSIONS OR EITHER ALIGNED WITH HEALTH OR MAYBE, UH, JUST NEW PROFESSIONS COMING TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THERE MIGHT BE SPACE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THEM, BUT I THINK THIS IS, UH, A REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT FOR KYLE AND I'M QUITE PLEASED TO SEE IT.
WHEN I SAW THE, THE HEIGHT REQUEST, I, I KIND OF GULPED A LITTLE BIT, LIKE, WHOA, WHAT? MM-HMM.
BUT, UH, GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE TIMELINE OF THIS PROJECT, I DO LIKE THAT WE'RE GIVING FLEXIBILITY TO THE
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PUD BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING 14 STORIES DOESN'T MEAN THEY'LL BUILD 14 STORIES.THEY WILL LOOK AT THE CITY OF KYLE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, AND THEY'LL DO SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND MAKES SENSE FOR WHOEVER'S GOING TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE, AS WELL AS THE, THE ENVIRONMENT OF KYLE.
SO, UM, I, I CAME TO TERMS WITH THE, WITH THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO VOTE YES ON THIS ONE.
UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, I'LL CALL THE VOTE.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE B WITH THE CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[A.
Staff Report by Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
-No meeting on Tuesday, December 26th for the Planning & Zoning Commission.
-Comprehensive Plan Adoption Dates:
- December 12th, 2023 (Public Hearing Only) - Planning & Zoning Commission
- January 9th, 2024 (Public Hearing & Consideration) - Planning & Zoning Commission.
- January 16th, 2024 (Public Hearing & Consideration) - City Council
]OKIE DOKIE.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, STAFF REPORT.
ITEM SIX, A STAFF REPORT BY WILL ATKINSON, DIRECTOR PLANNING.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT FOR THE COMMISSION? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE ITEMS. UH, WILL ATKINSON, DIRECTOR PLANNING, UH, WE ARE NOT MEETING ON DECEMBER 26TH.
YEAH, I, THERE'S THIS SHOULD BE LEFT UNSAID.
WE'RE NOT MEETING ON THE 26TH, SO JUST IN CASE ANYBODY DID NOT KNOW.
UH, FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADOPTION DATES, UH, WE WILL BRING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, ONLY THE COMP PLAN ON DECEMBER 12TH TO Y'ALL.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR, UH, THE, UH, THE CITIZENS TO PROVIDE INPUT TO Y'ALL.
UH, BUT YOU CANNOT CONSIDER ANYTHING.
YOU HAVE TO SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO IT, AND WE WILL ACCOUNT FOR IT IN THE MINUTES AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT, UM, THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING WITH Y'ALL WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION.
SO IT'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING WHERE PEOPLE CAN VOICE THEIR CONCERNS OR SUPPORT AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT THEN YOU CAN START MAKING, UH, COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS, DISCUSSION, YOU NAME IT.
AND THEN ON THE JANUARY 16TH MEETING, THAT WILL BE AT CD COUNCIL, THEY WILL HOST A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
I'M READY TO SEE, UH, I'M HOPING THE PRO THE PROJECT WILL BE APPROVED, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S EXCITING THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMING FORWARD.
IT WAS A BIT OF A DELAY, BUT IT'S GOOD.
SO, AND SOME PROJECTS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE OF IT, SO, YEAH.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, FOR TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER JAMES, I NOTICED THE ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION WASN'T ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE AN ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION? WE, WE CAN'T DO IT TONIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION TO BE ADDED.
WE HAD TAKEN IT OFF PRIMARILY BECAUSE THESE TWO BIG PROJECTS ON FIVE A AND B HAVE TAKEN UP.
I, IF I WERE TO GUESS, PROBABLY ABOUT 50% OF STAFF'S WORKLOAD OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS ALONE.
SO WE HAVE, WE STILL HAVE THAT LIST OF THINGS Y'ALL WANT TO SEE BROUGHT FORWARD, BUT WE'VE HAD TO PUSH IT TO THE SIDE FOR TEMPORARILY.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ADJOURNMENT.
I'M GONNA DO IT MY WAY THIS TIME AS WE'VE COMPLETED ALL THE ITEMS ON THE MEETING'S AGENDA.
THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THIS TIME.
SO WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8:14 PM.