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EVERYONE.THE TIME IS 7:00 PM THE TUESDAY, DECEMBER THE FIFTH, AND I'M GONNA CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, MY PLEDGE AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WOULD THE CITY SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MITCHELL? HERE.
[II. Approval of Minutes]
NEXT STEP IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.MAYOR, LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES.
WE GOT QUITE A FEW HERE, UH, FOR THE SPECIAL MEETINGS FOR NOVEMBER 14TH, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE MINUTES, REGULAR MINUTES FOR THE SAME REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 15TH, 2023.
SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 20TH, 2023, INCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING, UH, FOR 2023 AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY, THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[III. Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
NEXT UP IS CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.AT THIS TIME, WE ASK ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO, PLEASE DO SO.
WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU DIRECT THOSE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM AND SUBMIT THAT TO EITHER MYSELF OR THE CITY SECRETARY.
WELL, ACTUALLY I'M SPEAKING TO THE, UH, TOURS THAT'S ON THE, UH, AGENDA TONIGHT.
AND THAT, UH, HAVE SOME COMMENTS RELATED TO THAT.
I'M GLAD THE COUNCIL PAYS SO MUCH ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE, THE NORTHEAST SIDE, THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT AT 3 0 1 BB.
UM, THE CAREWAY TRACKED AND I REALLY WANNA REC, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE THE STAFF FOR THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THEY PUT IN ON THIS, UH, PROJECT.
UM, NEVERTHELESS, THERE'S SOME COMMENTS I WOULD MAKE OUTSIDE OF ZONING OR ANYTHING THAT I'VE EVER PARTICIPATED IN AS A ZONING COMMISSIONER.
UM, AND THAT WOULD REGARD BE REGARDS TO THE OVERALL IMPACT OF A TOURS ON THE FINANCES OF THE CITY.
UM, WE KNOW THAT THE TAX REVENUES CAPTURED BY TOURS REMAINS COMMITTED TO THE TOURS AND NOT ALLOWED, UH, FOR USE, UH, IN THE BROADER COMMUNITY FOR DECADES, REALLY.
AND THAT REVENUE CAPTURE CAN HAVE NEGATIVE EFFECTS, OTHER THINGS CAN BE NEGLECTED.
WE HAVE TO ALSO BE CAREFUL OF THE IMPACT ON SCHOOL AND PROPERTY TAXES AND MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, REVENUES ARE NOT DIVERTED FROM OTHER COMMUNITY PROJECTS.
AND SINCE U USUALLY TS IS, REQUIRES AN ISSUANCE OF BONDS TAKING ON DEBT FOR THE LONG TERM.
IN THE CASE OF 30 YEARS OR SO, TO PAY FOR THE SUSTAINED PROJECT, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE.
MANY COMMERCIAL PROJECTS DO NOT HAVE A ROBUST LIFESPAN OF 20 TO 30 YEARS, BUT ARE DEGRADED BY CHANGES IN TENANT IS WHEN BLOCK LARGE BOX STORES CLOSE OR RELOCATE DUE TO ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES.
THIS CREATES ZOMBIE DEVELOPMENTS WITH FEWER STORES AND REDUCED TAX REVENUES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ISSUING A BOND DEBT IN THE WORST BOND MARKET SINCE THE CIVIL WAR.
THE INDEBTEDNESS IS FRAUGHT WITH INTEREST RATE AND CREDIT RATING RISK.
CITY SOLVENCY CAN BE IMPACTED OVER THE LIFE OF THIS DEBT.
I WOULD, IF POSSIBLE, RECOMMEND A SHORTER TERM FOR THE TOURISM AND ITS DEBT OBLIGATIONS TO PERHAPS 20 TO 25 YEARS IF POSSIBLE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT NO CHAPTER THREE 80 GRANTS OR LOANS BE MADE FOR THIS PROJECT PAST WHAT WOULD BE OFFERED, UH, THROUGH, UH, BONDS.
SO NOTHING OUT OF OPERATIONAL FUNDS.
UM, WE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE, UH, OUR FINANCES COMPROMISED IN THAT RESPECT.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL ALSO HAS BENEFITS OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH A CLAUSE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO CHANGE SOME USAGES OF THE PART PARCEL.
AFTER 10 YEARS, GIVING THE DEVELOPER THE POWER TO MAKE CHANGES WITH WHICH WE MAY NOT AGREE, WHILE WE STILL BEAR THE DEBT ON WHAT, UH, MAY BE DIMINISHING RETURNS.
THIS ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER FLEXIBILITY AT OURS EXPENSE.
IN MY VIEW, OUR GOVERNANCE AND REGULATORY POWER SHOULD, WOULD BE DIMINISHED IN OUR FINANCIAL STATUS, PERHAPS COMPROMISED.
ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THIS, UH, TOURIST BEING CONNECTED TO A PUD.
THAT THERE'S A CLAUSE IN THE PUD ORDINANCE, WHICH CAUSES THE P AND GIVES THE HUD, UH, POWER TO PREVAIL OVER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PERTAINING TO LAND USE, SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, OR LAND DEVELOPMENT.
IN THE CASE OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO, WHY WOULD WE
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WRITE OR AGREE TO TWO DOCUMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE CONFLICT CONFLICTED IN ANY RESPECT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS TRACY SHIELD.
I COME TO YOU, UH, COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AS A RESIDENT OF KYLE WHO HAD A WONDERFUL TIME FRIDAY NIGHT.
UM, I JUST WANT US COME UP HERE AND SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL, BUT ALSO THANK YOU MARIANA AND HER STAFF FOR A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL LIGHT DISPLAY AT THE CITY SQUARE PARK.
SO I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE STAFF OF OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR ALL OF THEIR HARD WORK AND ALSO TO THE COUNCIL FOR BUDGETING,
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT IS, UH, PRETTY GETTING UP THERE IN THE LINE ITEM.
SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
AND I ENCOURAGE ANY RESIDENT ANYWHERE TO COME AND VISIT OUR PARK.
AND ALSO LAKE KYLE, BECAUSE IT IS, THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THAT ONE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE WALKING TRAIL.
SO COME OUT AND SEE OUR LIGHTS AND HEY, GO INTO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE PUTTING ON SOME PRETTY GOOD, UH, LIGHT DISPLAYS AS WELL.
THOSE ARE ALL THE CITIZEN COMMENTS FORMS I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE.
[6. Agenda Order per Rules of Council Sec. B1. ~ Travis Mitchell, Mayor]
IS AGENDA ORDER.DOES ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY DESIRE TO MOVE ANY OF THE ITEMS AROUND COUNCILOR HEISER? YEAH.
YOU'RE WANTING TO MOVE THEM WHERE? TO THE TOP? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? COUNCILOR? PARSLEY.
WE'RE JUST GONNA FLIP THE MEETING.
[7. Recognition of Library Board Member Gracie Rocha for six years of service to the Library Board. ~ Jerry Hendrix, Assistant City Manager]
ALL RIGHT.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RECOGNITION OF LIBRARY BOARD MEMBER GRACIE ROCHA FOR SIX YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE LIBRARY BOARD.
MR. HENDRICKS, MAYOR, COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD.
JERRY HENDRICKS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UM, I'M HERE, UH, IN THE, INSTEAD OF COLLEEN TIERNEY, OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR.
SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO IT'S MY, UM, MY HONOR AND MY PLEASURE TO RECOGNIZE GRACIE ROCHA FOR HER SIX YEARS AT SERVING ON OUR LIBRARY BOARD.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR LIBRARY SERVICES, JESSICA MCCART, TO JOIN ME UP HERE, AND GRACIE TO COME UP AND JOIN US UP HERE.
GRACIE, SIX YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO SERVE ONE OF OUR BOARDS.
YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE BEEN MANY AND YOUR SACRIFICES PROBABLY JUST AS JUST AS MANY.
AND WE WANT TO THANK YOU TREMENDOUSLY FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
THE STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER A PRESENT FOR YOU.
THIS IS, UM, FROM ALL OF THE STAFF, IS A TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
AND YOU GUYS AREN'T HERE TO LISTEN TO ME TALKS OR GRACIE, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? WELL, I JUST, I KNOW SIX YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO BE ON A BOARD, BUT IT WAS LIKE, UH, PAUL WITH JUST SAY, OKAY, I'VE ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION AND IT WAS GRANTED.
SO THERE'VE BEEN SEVERAL COUNCILS AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT I'VE BEEN, THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH AND A LOT OF BOARD MEMBERS ON THE LIBRARY THAT, UH, I'VE SEEN THROUGH.
IT'S, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LIBRARY AND THE PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTED TO THE COMMUNITY.
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ALL RIGHT.NEXT STEP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF KYLE.
JUST REAL QUICK, I I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, GRACIE, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR CITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY OF ST.
ANTHONY'S THAT YOU DO SO MUCH FOR AS WELL.
YOU'RE DEFINITELY AN INSPIRATION FOR EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHAT IT IS TO GIVE BACK.
JUST THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEART AND OF ALL THE DY HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES TO THE CITY.
DEFINITELY THE LIBRARY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE DEPARTMENTS.
YOU GUYS HAVE THE BEST PROGRAMMING THAT I FEEL LIKE WE CAN HAVE BESIDES THE PARTS DEPARTMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO, TO OUR CITY.
[8. Approve a Resolution of the City of Kyle, Texas to make an appointment to the Alliance Regional Water Authority Board of Directors to replace Derrick Turley for an unexpired term expiring April 2024. ~ Amber Schmeits, Assistant City Manager]
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE ALLIANCE REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO REPLACE DERRICK TURLEY FOR AN UNEXPIRED TERM EXPIRING APRIL, 2024.
MR. HENDRICKS, FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, JERRY HENDRICKS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
IT'S MUSICAL ACMS AND DIRECTOR DEPARTMENT HEADS TONIGHT.
UM, BEFORE YOU IS, UH, CONSIDERATION TO APPOINT, UM, A REPLACEMENT MEMBER TO THE ARAWA BOARD.
DEREK TURLEY HAS LEFT THE CITY OF KYLE AND HE WAS ON THAT BOARD.
SO CURRENTLY, UM, WE HAVE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AMBER LEWIS AND TIM SANFORD, WHO'S OUR, UM, WATER WASTEWATER, UH, DIVISION MANAGER.
UH, SO WE HAVE THREE SEATS ON THAT BOARD.
WE LIKE TO ASK COUNSEL TO APPOINT A THIRD MEMBER.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW, ALL THE ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN RO, INCLUDING KYLE AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS IS OUR FUTURE MAJOR, FUTURE WATER SOURCE.
THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS TO BE ON THE BOARD IS 18 YEARS OF AGE AND A RESIDENT OF THE TERRITORY LOCATED IN THE AUTHORITY.
SO THAT TO BE A MEMBER OF KYLE, YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO APPOINT, UH, THE MAYOR OR A COUNCIL MEMBER TO THE BOARD.
IT CAN APPOINT A CITY OF KYLE, EMPLOYEE, A RESIDENT, OR YOU CAN, UM, UH, TABLE OR POSTPONE THE ITEM TO A FUTURE TAPE.
JERRY, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THAT BOARD FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS? I DON'T KNOW.
AMBER DOES, BUT SHE'S, AMBER DOES.
YEAH, I, I, NO, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHO, SO WE COULD HAVE A SENSE OF THE DYNAMIC THAT'S THERE.
UH, TRACY SHIELD FOR THE RECORD, WHEN I WAS ON ROO BEFORE, UH, JANE HOUSTON HAS BEEN ON IT, UH, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM OTHER CITIES AND I, UM, AND, UH, OTHER, UH, PRESIDENTS OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR SOME OF THE OTHER SUVS HAVE, ARE ON IT.
WELL, THE THE BROADER POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY PRECEDENT FOR HAVING IT ELECTED.
SO IF THAT WAS THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHEN, WHEN THEY MEET JERRY, IT'S A, IT'S A MEETING DURING THE DAY OR IN THE EARLY AFTERNOON, LIKE ON A WEDNESDAY, THERE APPEARS TO BE TWO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD.
IT'S THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 3:00 PM SO, AND SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S IN KYLE, SOMETIMES IT'S IN SAN MARCOS AND OTHER PLACES.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WATER BEING A BIG CONCERN, I THINK FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT WITH TIM AND AMBER ON THE BOARD, IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH TIME TO MEET.
UH, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK FOR US TO HAVE A, A POLITICAL VOICE THERE AS WELL.
IF SOMEBODY WAS INTERESTED, WOULD, CAN WE LEAVE IT OPEN TO SEE IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED? YOU WANNA TAKE SOME TIME? MAYBE.
WHEN DO WE NEED TO FILL IT? SO TO SEE IF ANYBO IF THERE'S INTEREST FROM THE, FROM A RESIDENT OR AN EMPLOYEE? I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING AN ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER ON THERE.
WELL, WE COULD EASILY PUT SOMEONE TECHNICAL FROM STAFF TO MAKE SURE OUR INTERESTS ARE REPRESENTED.
BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OR A THOUGHT? I, I THINK FA WAS GONNA BE A STAFF MEMBER.
I'D RECOMMEND MYSELF BE ON THE BOARD OR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE REALLY, THE TWO OPTIONS THAT MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE TECHNICAL REPRESENTATION ALREADY THERE, SO I THINK EITHER, UH, THE CITY MANAGER OR SOMEONE FROM THE COUNCIL WOULD BE, I IDEAL IF I'M CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF WE WAIT TILL AFTER THE RUNOFF AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE A FULL DAIS, NEW, NEW DAIS, WE CAN MAYBE BRING THAT BACK.
IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, JERRY? WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE AND SEE IF THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT, THAT DOES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S UP TO APRIL, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO THEY WOULD ONLY BE SERVING FOR JUST FOUR MONTHS? CORRECT.
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WHAT ARE THE, THE TIMES, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CAPTURE IT.FOURTH WEDNESDAY, 3:00 PM ONE, ONE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON A MONTH.
THEY'RE PRETTY TECHNICAL MEETINGS.
I WAS ON THE BOARD, BE BEFORE TRACY FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT IT'S A LOT.
SO YEAH, WE'LL JUST BRING IT BACK POSSIBLY.
WE CAN BRING IT BACK THE NEXT, IF NOBODY OBJECTS, WE'LL JUST, UH, TABLE US FOR NOW.
WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE, UH, A FUTURE AGENDA AND MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME.
[9. Approve a Resolution of the City of Kyle, Texas to make appointments for one primary and one alternate voting representative to the 2024 CAMPO Technical Advisory Committee. ~ Amber Schmeits, Assistant City Manager]
UP.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF CAL, TEXAS TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS FOR ONE PRIMARY AND ONE ALTERNATE VOTING REPRESENTATIVE TO THE 2024 CAMPO TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
JERRY HENDRICKS, THIS IS THE CITY MANAGER.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, BOARD APPOINTMENT.
THIS TIME IS FOR THE TECH CAMPO TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
YOU CAN, UH, AGAIN, APPOINT CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DIRECTOR, OR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION, OR DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
THIS IS ONE PRIMARY AND ONE ALTERNATIVE MEMBER FROM REPRESENTING THE CITY ON THIS BOARD.
UM, AND JUST AS A REMINDER OR REFRESHER, THE, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CAMPO BOARD, UH, SERVING THAT IS, THAT IS ME AT THIS TIME.
THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, UH, FUNCTION.
UM, BUT, UM, IN THE PAST, AMBER AND LEON HAVE BEEN ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT I DO HAVE INTEREST IN SERVING IN THAT WAY TOO, JUST BECAUSE I'VE BEEN REALLY FOCUSED ON CAMPO AND WANT TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON CAMPO OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND COULD DEVOTE THE TIME, UH, TO BE THERE AND HELP BE AN EMISSARY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE AND KYLE'S INTEREST.
SO, UM, I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH AMBER AND UH, LEON, AND THEY THINK IT WOULD BE FINE FOR, UH, AMBER AND MYSELF TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY, BUT I WANTED TO PRESENT THAT TO THE, UH, COUNSEL AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO OR IF THAT WAS OKAY WITH Y'ALL.
WE MAY, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE WANTS IT.
I THINK I'D MAKE, IF YOU BEEN, I HAVE AN ISSUE.
IF YOU'VE BEEN SERVING ON IT ALREADY, SIR, THEN, THEN BY ALL MEANS, YOU SHOULD KNOW.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPOINT THE MAYOR AS THE PRIMARY AND, UH, UH, AMBER SCHMITZ AS THE, UH, UH, ALTERNATE FOR THE CITY OF KYLE TO REPRESENT, UH, OUR INTERESTS ON THE CAMPO TECHNICAL ADVISORY.
SECOND, OUR MOTION BY THE MAYOR, SECOND BY THE MAYOR PRO TIMM.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? UH, CUSTOMER RIZZO.
UH, SO YOU ARE GONNA BE SERVING ON THIS BOARD IF, IF WE'RE WE VOTE FOR IT.
UH, WHO'S YOUR ALTERNATE ON THE CAMPO BOARD RIGHT NOW FOR THE POSITION YOU CURRENTLY HOLD? UM, I DO NOT.
UH, THERE IT WAS, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON WAS, I THINK WAS THE LAST MM-HMM.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD POINT BECAUSE IN THE EVENT THAT I CAN'T GO, WE NORMALLY, WHAT I DO IS SEND A PROXY, UH, TO SOMEONE ELSE IN THE REGION.
UH, SOMEONE LIKE, UH, DEBBIE INGLESBY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO'S THERE.
AND SO SHE WILL CARRY MY VOTE.
BUT IF Y'ALL WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN A, UH, IN A PROXY POSITION WHERE IF I CAN'T GO, YOU GO.
'CAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE AT CAMPO PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON, THE BETTER.
I DEFINITELY HAVE GOTTEN A BIG INTEREST IN, UH, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMING AROUND US.
SO I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT PROXY, UH, POSITION.
WELL, IT'S NOT POSTED FOR THE PROXY, BUT IF YOU WANT, I'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE, BUT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW ON CAMPO.
RIGHT? WE JUST CAN'T TAKE THAT VOTE, I DON'T THINK.
UNLESS, CAN WE PAGE, SINCE IT'S NOT POSTED FOR PROXY, FOR THE REGULAR CAMPO BOARD SEAT, CAN WE MAKE THAT VOTE NOW? OR DO WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK ON A FUTURE AGENDA? JUST BRINGING IT BACK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? RIGHT? THAT WAY IT'S ALL IN THE SAME.
[VII. Consent Agenda]
UP IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.THREE ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY OR, UH, DO ON THIS AGENDA? CASTOR BRADSHAW? YES.
FOR ITEM 12, MY NAME IS NOT ON THE RESOLUTION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T EXCLUDE ME FROM ANY MEETINGS THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN NOW AND THE 19TH FOR THE TASK FORCE.
SO ITEM 10, I'D LIKE TO PULL THAT, MAYOR.
UM, ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THE OTHER ITEMS BEFORE THE CONSENT AGENDA OR NOT? IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT TO WAIT ON CONSENT AND THAT'S UP TO, NO, I DON'T CARE.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT EXCLUDES YOU, SO.
WE GOOD ON THAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE A RESOLUTION GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE 19TH, BUT I THINK ASHLEY'S, UH, MS. BRADSHAW HAS BEEN SERVING, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO HAVE HER IN ANY MEETINGS THAT OCCUR BETWEEN NOW AND THE 19TH, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE.
IS IT PRO? OH COUNCILOR RIZZO.
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ALRIGHT, WE'RE, UH, GONNA PULL ITEM, UH, NUMBER 10.UH, UH, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON 11 AND 12? I'D LIKE TO GO AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEMS NUMBER 11 AND 12, I SECOND ALL MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR MEMBER PARSLEY THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 11 AND 12.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK HARPER FOR, FOR ANSWERING THE EMAILS, UH, QUESTIONS I SENT THEM.
[VIII. Items Pulled from Consent Agenda]
NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS APPROVING A MULTIPLE USE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF KYLE AND TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTALLING AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS CAMERAS, UH, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING OPEN MEETINGS AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS.THIS ITEM IS SPONSORED BY CHIEF BARNETT.
UM, COUNCILMAN RIZZO, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU WANNA ASK? YEAH, CHIEF, UH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M, I'M FAIRLY NEW BACK TO COUNSEL.
SO THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS WHEN THEY FIRST APPROVE THESE THAT I WANTED TO, UH, JUST CLARIFY FOR SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE ASKED ME, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CAMERAS? WHAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE FOR 'EM? UH, SOLE PURPOSE WOULD BE TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE OR PREVENT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THE COMMUNITY OF KYLE.
UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL, BACK DURING THE SUMMER, THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE USE OF THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM.
SO WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE ALREADY DEPLOYED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS SIMPLY TO, UH, AUTHORIZE US TO ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SO THAT WE CAN PLACE SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT WITHIN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY THAT KEEPS US FROM PLACING THE EQUIPMENT SO FAR OFF THE ROADWAY THAT IT'S INEFFECTIVE AND TO PLACE IT IN ROADWAYS WHERE IT CAN BE MORE BENEFICIAL.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS TO PREVENT, REDUCE OUR OTHERWISE, HELP US TO PREVENT CRIME, UH, AND HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I, I KNOW A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA BE ON OFFICER DISCRETION.
UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE REASSURANCES THAT WE CAN GIVE THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS GONNA BE USED AS A TOOL TO MAYBE HURT THOSE THAT ARE BURLY STRUGGLING OR GETTING BY? YEAH, SO THE PRIMARY PURPOSE, UH, IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA USE THESE LICENSE PLATE READERS IS THEY'RE GOING TO ALERT US WHEN A VEHICLE ENTERS OR PASSES ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS, MAYBE ENTERS INTO OUR COMMUNITY ON CERTAIN ROADWAYS OR THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY IN A STOLEN VEHICLE, A VEHICLE THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF AN AMBER ALERT, THE SUBJECT OF A SILVER ALERT, BLUE ALERT.
ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WARNING SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IN TEXAS WHERE WE, WE ALL GET THE MESSAGES ON OUR PHONE AND WE'RE ASKED TO LOOK FOR A VEHICLE FOR A CERTAIN REASON, THIS SYSTEM WILL AUTOMATICALLY ALERT OUR DISPATCH CENTER AND OUR OWN DUTY OFFICERS THAT THAT VEHICLE IS IN A CERTAIN LOCATION IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE CAN DISPATCH OFFICERS TO THAT GENERAL AREA IN HOPES TO FIND THE VEHICLE.
I CAN TELL YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE FEW THAT WE ALREADY HAVE DEPLOYED THAT ARE NOT IN THE TXDOT RIGHT OF WAY, WE WERE ABLE TO GET 'EM OFF THE ROADWAY ENOUGH.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY RECOVERED SEVERAL STOLEN VEHICLES AND WE THINK THAT CERTAINLY HAS AN IMPACT ON CRIME IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, MOVING FORWARD, ARE WE GONNA BE GETTING, UH, WILL THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY BE PROVIDED A REPORT ON THESE, UH, CAM UH, THESE, THE SYSTEM THAT'S IMPLEMENTED? ABSOLUTELY, SIR.
ONCE WE GET IT FULLY IMPLEMENTED AND ALL THE UNITS ARE DEPLOYED, WE CAN RUN REPORTS AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SUCCESSES THAT WE'VE HAD AND HOW WE'RE DEPLOYING THEM, THE LOCATIONS, THE NUMBER OF HITS WE CALL 'EM.
THAT MEANS YOU GET A STOLEN VEHICLE THAT PASSES IN FRONT OF ONE OF THESE CAMERAS, YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND PROVIDE THAT TO YOU FOR REVIEW.
I, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF THIS REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HELP DETER OR EVEN HELP SOLVE, IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME AND, UH, UH, HAVING THAT DATA CAN HELP US SUPPORT EVEN MAYBE SOMETHING FURTHER IN THE FUTURE OR IF WE'VE GOTTA REDIRECT IT WOULD BE HELP AS WELL.
BUT I, I REALLY LIKE THAT WE'RE GONNA BEGIN A REPORT ON THIS AND I, I, I LOVE THE, THAT YOU HAD, UH, SOMETHING YOU POINTED TO THAT WAS GONNA REALLY MAKE A, THAT JUST MADE A DIFFERENCE IN, UH, WHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? MAYOR PRITI.
UM, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.
UM, THE REASON WHY IS YES, IT IS GOING TO HELP DETER, UH, CRIME IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT ALSO I UNDERSTAND FROM A PRIVACY ISSUE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S CONTROVERSIAL, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SENSE.
HOWEVER, JUST SEEING A NEWS STORY YESTERDAY ON A BC NEWS WHERE THERE'S A SERIAL CRIMINAL RIGHT NOW THAT'S ON A CRIME SPREE, THEY WERE ABLE TO TRACK HIS VEHICLES AND HIS LOCATION WITH ONE OF THESE, AND THEY CALL IT PRECISION POLICING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO WHERE THEY'RE ACT ACTUALLY ABLE TO TRACK THESE VEHICLES IN THE SPECIFIC TIME IN THE AREA, AND THEY CAN ZOOM IN AND SEE WHERE IT'S AT AND, AND HELP SOLVE THE CRIMES AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT IN A SENSE TO WHERE IF WE DO HAVE, KNOCK ON WOOD, IF WE EVER HAVE A CRITICAL INCIDENT HERE, UH, LET'S SAY THE, THE ROBBERY THAT HAPPENED OVER THERE AT GETTY'S, IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE, YOU NEVER KNOW, WE COULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LEAD
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ON THAT.SO WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND JUST THE COMFORT ZONE ON THAT.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS NOT ONLY JUST PREVENTION, BUT ALSO AS OUR CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE UNFORTUNATE SITUATIONS AND WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO HAVE THE TOOLS, UH, THE, THE NEW MODERN TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU GUYS IN, IN YOUR FIGHT TO, UH, BE ABLE TO BRING THESE CRIMINALS TO JUSTICE.
MAYOR, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, AGENDA ITEM, CONSENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN SECOND.
MOTION BY COUNCILLOR RIZZO, SECONDED BY MAYOR PROTI THAT WE APPROVED AGENDA TO ITEM NUMBER 10.
I'M NOT A THE BIGGEST FAN OF THE LPRS, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA USE THEM, LET'S PUT 'EM IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND GET GOOD PICTURES.
WHY NOT? SO, ALL RIGHT, ALL A FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALL MOTION CARRIES.
ALRIGHT, NEXT STEP IS, UM, Y'ALL WANNA WAIT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST GET ONTO THESE OTHER ITEMS. ALRIGHT,
[18. Receive a report from the Sportsplex Task Force and consider a recommendation for the selection of a firm to prepare a design for the project. ~ Jerry Hendrix, Assistant City Manager]
NEXT AGENDA.ITEM NUMBER 18, RECEIVE A REPORT FROM THE SPORTS TASK FORCE AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SELECTION OF A FIRM TO PREPARE A DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT.
SO, UH, MAYOR, I'LL BE, UH, ADDRESSING THIS ITEM, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL.
SO WE DID HAVE, UM, A PROCESS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE FOR THE, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? THE SPORTSPLEX? I DON'T THINK IT'S WORKING.
SO WE DID HAVE, FOR THE SPORTSPLEX, UM, SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE TASK FORCE ABOUT SELECTING A DESIGN FIRM TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS, UH, TO LOOK AT, UH, MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT AREA.
WE, UH, RELEASED AN RFQA REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
WE RECEIVED 10 RESPONSES TO THAT FROM THAT 10 GROUP OF 10, UH, RESPONSES.
UH, THE COMMITTEE THEN LOOKED AT, UH, IDENTIFYING FOUR FIRMS THAT WOULD COME IN FOR INTERVIEWS.
THOSE FORM FIRMS WERE ALL HIGHLY QUALIFIED, AND THEY CAME IN FOR, IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS.
THE TWO TOP RANKED FIRMS WERE WALTER P. MOORE, AND STANTEC.
UH, WALTER P. MOORE WAS THE HIGHEST OVERALL FIRM, UH, RATED IN TERMS OF POINTS 492 VERSUS 483 FROM THE COMMITTEE.
HOWEVER, STANTEC, UH, RECEIVED THE SUPPORT OF FOUR OF THE SIX MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE COMMITTEE.
SO, FOR EACH, AGAIN, EACH OF THESE FIRMS ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED.
WE THINK EACH WOULD DO A GOOD JOB.
UH, EACH OF THEM CAN BE SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL AND RECOMMENDED BY THE TASK FORCE FOR THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO FOR TONIGHT, WE'RE ASKING, UH, THE TASK FORCE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT US TO BEGIN ENTERING INTO NEGOTIATIONS FOR A CONTRACT AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? COUNCILOR HEISER.
UH, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE GROUP BE THE MAJORITY OF THE VOICES IN THE GROUP BE REPRESENTED, UH, IN THE, IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS DECISION.
AND SO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND STANTEC BE THE FIRM THAT WE HIRE, UH, TO WORK WITH US ON THIS SPORTSPLEX PROJECT.
I MOTIONS BY COUNCILOR HEISER, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BRADSHAW THAT WE AWARD THE CONTRACT TO STANTEC.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILOR? UH, PARSLEY.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BRINGING US, YOU KNOW, TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE ARE NOT IN THE TASK FORCE UPDATES ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SPORTS FLEX.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE, THE REST OF US COULD SEE WHAT THE PRIOR PROJECTS THAT THESE FIRMS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OTHER CITIES, IF THEY HAVE CREATED ANY OTHER SPORTSPLEX.
WHAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS DO THEY HAVE? JUST FOR OUR REFERENCES, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T VOTE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A PART OF THE TASK FORCE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF EACH FE, EACH FIRM THAT WAS PRESENT DURING GIVING A PRESENTATION TO YOU GUYS.
WE'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE ALL FOUR OF THOSE WITH YOU, ALL THE MATERIALS THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US.
WE'LL, WE'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, CUSTOMER ZUNIGA? YES.
UH, THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE.
WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THESE PRESENTATIONS AND THE, I NOTICED THAT THE WALTER P. MOORE WAS THE HIGHER SCORE.
I LOOKED THROUGH THE SLIDES, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS, BUT IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THEY WERE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THE WATER DIAGRAM, THE REUSE WATER AND COM, COMBINING THE NATURAL WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S WHY WE WERE, IT WAS SCORING THE HIGHEST.
UM, BUT IF I LOOK AT THE STANTEC PRESENTATION, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO INCORPORATE THAT WATER, UM, IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
THE, SO IS THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT I'M MISSING? UM, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING TO CONSERVE, REUSE IT AND, UM, HAVE THESE NICE GREEN, GREEN AREAS UP THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE, THE WALTER P. MOORE.
BUT, UM, AM I SEEING, DID I SEE SOMETHING WRONG CUSTOMER HAUSER IN THESE PRESENTATIONS?
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SO, MIGUEL, EACH FIRM HAD 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT AND, UM, TIME MANAGEMENT WAS NOT NECESSARILY OUR STRONG SUIT DURING THIS, UM, DURING THE MEETING.AND SO THERE WERE THINGS THAT WEREN'T PUT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WERE ADDRESSED BY EACH FIRM, UH, VIA QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED BY TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN CONVERSATION AND SOMETHING THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH, UM, WITH MY MOTION TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STANTEC AND, UH, MAYOR PRO TIM.
UM, SINCE YOU HAD LIMITED TIME ON THAT, BETWEEN MOORE AND STANFORD, WHAT WAS THE TOP THREE THAT, UH, CAUGHT YOUR EYE ON THIS MOTION VERSUS THE OTHER TWO? WHAT WAS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KEY, UH, FACTORS THAT THIS, UM, UM, PERSON, THIS ACTUALLY COMPANY, UH, WOULD FEEL THAT WOULD BRING FORWARD, UM, THE CONTRACT ON THAT END? WHAT, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAUGHT YOUR EYE VERSUS THE OTHER THREE? ARE YOU ASKING THERE? YES.
I'M JUST PULLING UP MY NOTES HERE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THEY, THEY'VE PARTICIPATED IN, UH, THE TOURS, THE CREATION OF THE TOURS, WHICH IS WHERE THE SPORTSPLEX EXISTS.
SO I THINK JUST HAVING FAMILIAR KNOWLEDGE WITH THAT OKAY.
UH, IS IMPORTANT FOR A PARTNER TO BE COLLABORATING ON SUCH A IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR US.
UH, THE OTHER THING WOULD, IS SOMETHING MIGUEL BROUGHT UP THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT, UH, VERBALLY, WHICH WAS WATER AND HOW THEY WOULD ADDRESS THE FLOODPLAIN ON THE EAST SIDE OF 1626.
UH, THAT WAS ANOTHER MAJOR ISSUE, UH, THAT I WANTED TO HEAR, UH, EVERYONE DISCUSS BECAUSE IT IS, UH, IT TAKES UP SPACE AND OUR OVERALL, UH, THE OVERALL ACREAGE OF LAND WE HAVE AND THE VISION FOR THE PROJECT.
IT SEEMED LIKE THEY HAD AN UNDERSTANDING, UH, WITH VERY LITTLE ACCESS TO INFORMATION OF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE FOR, UM, FOR THE PRESENTATIONS.
ANYONE ELSE? SOME, SOME, SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO ADD TO IT IS THE ENERGY LEVEL WAS REALLY THERE.
UH, THE EXCITEMENT FOR THE PROJECT SEEMED TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD ONE MEMBER THERE THAT, UH, GOT US ALL EXCITED AND WE WERE REALLY, UM, HIS ENERGY REALLY FED ON THE GROUP, AND I THINK, UM, HE, HE WAS A BIG PART OF IT.
HE'S WORKED ON A LOT OF PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE, UH, UNITED STATES, AND YOU CAN SEE HIS PASSION IN WHAT HE DOES.
SO, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF HIS NAME.
UH, DO YOU REMEMBER THE GUY IN THE CAP? UH, CAN'T THINK OF HIS NAME.
I FORGOT HIS NAME, BUT HE WAS VERY ENERGETIC.
HE'S PROBABLY HERE DEFINITELY, UH, UH, HIS ENERGY.
YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE PROJECT, I PROMISE YOU.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANTED.
THAT'S I KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
AND I THINK MAYBE ALSO MS. PARSLEY WAS COUNCILMAN PARSLEY.
LIKE WHAT PROJECTS DID THIS COMPANY, UH, OR THIS DEVELOP THIS FIRM, UH, BRING FORTH IN OTHER CITIES COMPARED TO THE OTHER THREE? AND, AND WHAT WERE, WHAT WERE SOME OF YOUR POSITIVE NOTES FROM THE TASK FORCE? I MEAN, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK IF YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THIS, UH, THIS FIRM VERSUS THE OTHER TWO, UH, AS TASK FORCE MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE INVOLVED.
IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHAT WAS THE TOP THREE OR THE TOP FIVE OF WHY YOU, YOU'RE DRAWING TO, TO THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPER.
CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE THEM COME FORWARD TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, THE PROJECTS AND THE COMMUNITY? CERTAINLY IT'S COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
I'M SENIOR PRINCIPAL WITH STANTEC CONSULTING SERVICES.
I'M ALSO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING DISCIPLINE LEAD FOR OUR TEXAS, NEW MEXICO AND ARIZONA TEAMS. UH, WITH ME, WE HAVE COLT YORICK, WHO'S, UH, THE PROJECT MANAGER THAT WAS, UH, IDENTIFIED IN OUR QUALIFICATIONS AS WELL AS REBECCA LEONARD, UM, WITH LIONHEART PLACES, WHO WAS ONE OF OUR SUB CONSULTANTS IN OUR QUALIFICATIONS PACKAGE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE YOU PROBABLY HEARD THE CONVERSATIONS WE WERE HAVING BACK AND FORTH, UH, LIKE WHAT PROJECTS THAT HAVE YOU DONE IN THE PAST IN OTHER CITIES AND, AND THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT FORWARD AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOUR FIRM HAS DONE.
WELL, JUST A BRIEF INTRODUCTION ON, ON STANTEC.
SO STANTEC IS, UH, NOTABLY A TOP 10 GLOBAL DESIGN FIRM.
UM, WE HAVE OVER 400 OFFICE LOCATIONS, PUBLICLY TRADED IN NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE, CANADA STOCK EXCHANGE.
WE'VE BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE 1954.
UM, WE ARE THE LARGEST LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRM IN THE UNITED STATES WITH OVER 300 LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
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UM, WHAT WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN SPORTS DESIGN GROUP INTERNALLY.UM, IN THAT, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE COMPLETED OVER 30 SPORTS AND RECREATION, UH, PROJECTS IN, IN TEXAS ALONE, YOU KNOW, AT ALL DIFFERENT SCALES, VARIETIES, AND, UM, AND LEVELS.
UM, MOST RECENTLY KIND OF AROUND, AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WE RECENTLY WERE THE PRIME CONSULTANT, THE LEAD LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, FOR B CREEK SPORTS COMPLEX THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE INCEPTION, ALL THE WAY TO THE GRAND OPENING BACK IN JUNE.
UM, THAT WAS A $24 MILLION SPORTS COMPLEX THAT WAS COMPLETED BY TRAVIS COUNTY, UM, WITH A TOTAL OF FIVE SYNTHETIC FIELDS.
UM, AND GRAND OPENING DAY IN THAT FIRST WEEKEND, THERE WAS ALREADY 76 DIFFERENT GAMES PLAY BEING PLAYED ON THOSE SPORTS FIELDS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, UH, VARIOUS STADIUMS AND ISD WORK, UH, INCLUDING IN HAYES COUNTY, BASTROP COUNTY, AND, UH, A NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE ALSO DONE, UM, NATIONWIDE PROJECTS INCLUDING, UH, MCGREGOR SQUARE, WHICH IS HOME OF THE, UH, ROCKIES, UH, WHERE WE TURN PARKING LOTS INTO THESE MIXED USED ENVIRONMENTS THAT REALLY, REALLY CATALYZED THE AREA, UH, J WORKING ADJACENT TO THE SPORT FIELDS THERE.
UM, BEYOND THAT, WE'VE ALSO WORKED ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS FROM SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS TO TRAILS TO, UM, TO YOU NAME IT REALLY, I MEAN, EVERY, EVERY PROJECT UNDER THE SUN, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED ON REALLY, UH, IN THE TYPE OF CATEGORY OF THAT PROJECT.
SO, UM, WHEN WE START ASSEMBLING ALL THE DIFFERENT PUZZLE PIECES AND COUPLING THAT WITH AN EXCELLENT TEAM OF SUB CONSULTS ALONG WITH REBECCA'S LEGACY KNOWLEDGE AND PARTICIPATION IN THE CHURCH PROJECT AND WORKING ON PROJECTS SUCH AS, UH, LAVERDE, UH, SO SOME OF OUR, UH, PROJECTS AT LIONHEART HAVE BEEN LAVERDE, UH, UH, PARK HERE IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO, UH, LAMAR BEACH, WHICH IS, UH, FULL OF SOCCER FIELDS AND BASEBALL DIAMONDS AND DOWNTOWN AUSTIN.
UH, I'VE LED PROJECTS PRIOR TO STARTING MY OWN FIRM, UH, THAT HAVE WON, GONE ON TO WIN NATIONAL AWARDS, THE HOUSTON ARBORETUM, UH, WIMBERLEY BLUE HOLE, AND LAFITTE GREENWAY IN NEW ORLEANS.
UM, THAT REALLY KIND OF HELPS A LITTLE BIT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE TEXAS BASED, SO, YOU KNOW, ALREADY THE, UM, THE CON NOT SO MUCH THE CONCERNS, BUT THE, WITH THE HEAT, WITH THE CONSERVATION, WITH THE WATER, THE LEVEL OF GROUND, YOU KNOW, BLACK DIRT VERSUS THE LIMESTONE THAT'S AROUND HERE, UH, AND SO FORTH.
YOU ALSO SAID YOU DID SEVERAL FIELDS AROUND THE COUNTRY UP TO 30 IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO THAT, THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU'RE LOCAL IN A SENSE, RIGHT? AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE CLIMATE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, ON THAT END.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WAS, WAS WANTING TO GET AND UNDERSTAND.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, A BIG SPORTSPLEX.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD ON THE BOND FOR FOUR YEARS AND, UH, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT WE WANT TO HIT A HOME RUN ON THIS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT FIELDS THAT ARE GONNA BE BASEBALL AND SOCCER.
AND IT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST FIELDS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN OUR CITY.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, UH, IN OUR PRESENTATION WE DID PROVIDE A QR CODE WITH, WITH A VISION AND, UM, JUST KIND OF WHAT THE, WHAT IF, UH, MM-HMM.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CHECK, CHECK THAT OUT.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, IT'S OUR VISION, BUT IT, IT IS DEFINITELY TOGETHER.
WE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT THOUGH WE CAN BUILD ON AND, AND REALLY BUILD MOMENTUM AND EXCITEMENT TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE.
[19.
(First Reading) Approve an Ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas adopting the land use assumptions, capital improvements plan, and establishing an updated water impact fee totaling $6,169 per living unit equivalent (LUE) and an updated wastewater impact fee totaling $6,345 per LUE, amending Ordinance No. 298-2, and establishing an effective date. ~ Leon Barba, P.E., City Engineer
• Public Hearing
]IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19.FIRST READING APPROVING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS, ADOPTING THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, AND ESTABLISHING AN UPDATED WATER IMPACT FEE TOTALING $6,169 LUE PER LUE, AND AN UPDATED WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE TOTALING $6,345 PER LUE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 98 DASH TWO, AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
LEON BARBARA, CITY ENGINEER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M GONNA TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO GRADY REED.
GRADY REED IS WITH HDR ENGINEERING.
THEY WERE SELECTED TO DO OUR STUDY FOR US.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO 'EM RIGHT NOW.
GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH HDR ENGINEERING OUT OF OUR AUSTIN OFFICE.
UM, AND AS LEON SAID, WE WERE THE, UH, FIRM THAT WAS HIRED TO, UH, BEGIN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE CITY'S WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE.
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BEGAN IN THE SPRING, UM, AND SO IT IS NOW, UH, COMPLETE AND WE ARE BRINGING THE RESULTS OF THAT TO YOU.UM, I'M JUST BRIEFLY GONNA GO OVER THE, THE IMPACT FEE APPLICATION AREA, UH, THE IMPACT FEE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE DEVELOPED AS PART OF THIS, THE WA WATER AND WASTEWATER CIP COST, AND THEN HOW WE ALLOCATED THOSE COSTS, UH, TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BRIEFLY GO OVER WHAT THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATIONS ARE, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT AS, AS PART OF THIS PLAN, UM, THAT WE DID FORM THE, UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THAT COMMITTEE WAS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, PLUS ONE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY'S EXTRATERRITORIAL EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION FOR ETJ AS REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 3 95 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
UM, SO EVERYTHING, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH THAT COMMITTEE.
UM, WE SPENT, UH, MANY, A FEW NIGHTS WITH THAT COMMITTEE GOING THROUGH AND, AND VERY GREAT DETAIL, UM, OUR PROCESS, ALL OF THE CALCULATIONS, UH, LETTING THEM PROVIDE THEIR INPUT, AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THEIR INPUT, MAKE SOME CHANGES, AND COME BACK AND, AND PRESENT UPDATED RESULTS TO THEM.
UM, THE COMMITTEE DID VERIFY THAT THE LAND USE BASIS FOR THE CIP APPEARED TO BE REASONABLE, UM, THAT THE CIP ITSELF, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN THAT WE'RE USING FOR THIS IMPACT FEE UPDATE, UH, WAS REASONABLE, UH, THAT THE IMPACT FEE HAD BEEN REASONABLY CALCULATED AND THAT THE MAXIMUM NEW RESULTANT, MAXIMUM MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE IS $12,514 PER LUE.
UM, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCEPT OF AN LUE, THAT STANDS FOR LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT.
UM, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES ARE SCALED, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF LU OF ANY PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AN LUE IS, UH, IT NORMALLY REPRESENTS ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLD.
SO THAT STANDARD METER SIZE FIVE HS THREE QUARTER INCH METER IS, IS WHAT WE WILL DEFINE AS ONE LUE AS, UH, DEVELOPMENTS OR, OR BUSINESSES COME IN AND THEY HAVE A LARGER METER SIZE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF A BUSINESS COMES IN AND NEEDS A TWO INCH METER, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, EIGHT LU.
SO THEY WOULD PAY EIGHT TIMES THE, THE RATE FOR ONE LUE.
JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF HOW ALL THAT WORKS.
UM, ONCE WE WENT THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS WITH THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE DID RECOMMEND THAT CO THAT COUNCIL ADOPT A MAXIMUM FEE AND MAKE THAT THE EFFECTIVE FEE, THE $12,514.
UH, THE COMMITTEE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THESE IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND PERHAPS UPDATED NO LATER THAN THREE YEARS.
UH, FROM NOW BY STATE STATUTE, YOU MUST UPDATE YOUR IMPACT FEES EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, THIS COMMITTEE THINKS THAT MAYBE THE, THE, AND I AGREE, UH, THAT THE CITY MAY WANT LOOK AT THOSE A LITTLE BIT SOONER, UH, THAN FIVE YEARS JUST AS GROWTH CONTINUES AND THE CIP CONTINUES TO CHANGE OVER TIME.
UH, SO WHERE WOULD THESE FEES APPLY TO? BASICALLY ANY, ANY NEEDING NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UH, WITHIN THE C-D-Z-T-J IS WHERE THESE IMPACT FEES WOULD APPLY.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IMPACT FEES ONLY APPLY TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF THERE'S EXISTING CONNECTIONS TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM, THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THEM UNLESS THEY WERE TO COME IN AND FOR WHATEVER REASON WANT TO UPSIZE THEIR, THEIR WATER METER.
UM, THEN YOU COULD CHARGE THEM THE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR NEW METER SIZE VERSUS THEIR EXISTING METER SIZE.
UM, THE NEW IMPACT FEES IF APPROVED, UM, WOULD GO INTO EFFECT, UH, BASICALLY IMMEDIATELY UPON APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, ANY PROJECTS OR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLATTED, THEIR FINAL PLATT HAS BEEN APPROVED, UM, THEIR IMPACT FEES WOULD NOT CHANGE.
UH, IMPACT FEES ARE ASSESSED AT TIME OF PLATT APPROVAL AND NORMALLY COLLECTED, UM, AT TIME BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED UNLESS THEY'RE, UNLESS THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO COLLECT THOSE AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
SO ANY, ANY PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD AND, AND FINAL PLATT APPROVAL, UM, AFTER THESE NEW IMPACT FEES ARE ADOPTED, THEY WOULD BE ASSESSED AT THE HIGHER IMPACT FEMALE.
UH, SO THE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE, UH, THAT WE BASE THIS ON, UH, THIS, THIS TABLE JUST SHOWS THE, THE DIFFERENT LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE AMOUNT OF CURRENT ACRES WITH ANY ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE LAND USE TYPES, AND THEN WHERE WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN IS BASED ON THE LAST COMPLETED MASTER PLAN AND THEN ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT, UH, SINCE THAT PLAN WAS COMPLETED A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND THEN WE TOOK THAT AS OUR STARTING POINT.
AND AGAIN, WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, TRIED TO GROW THOSE ACRES, UH, AS BEST WE COULD BASED ON, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH PATTERNS.
UH, SO REALLY KIND OF THE, SOME OF THE HEART OF THE IMPACT FEE IS TAKING THE, THE C-D-C-I-P, UM, AND ALLOCATING THOSE COST OUT.
UNDERSTAND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF NUMBERS, UM, ON THESE TABLES, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE CALCULATING AN IMPACT FEE, THAT THERE'S BASICALLY, UH, TWO TYPES OF, OF COST.
THERE'S THE COST OF THE CITY'S
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EXISTING SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE TOP PART OF THIS TABLE THAT SAYS, THAT SAYS EXISTING PROJECTS, AND THEN THE, EXCUSE ME.AND THEN THERE'S, UH, FUTURE PROJECTS, UH, OR THE CITY'S CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
AND THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED PROJECTS.
SO WE WENT BACK FOR THE CITY'S EXISTING ASSETS, AND, UH, WE HAD THE COST OF THOSE.
WE PULLED THE COST OF THOSE FROM THE CITY'S FIXED ASSETS MODEL.
AND THEN WE, FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE GROUPINGS OF ASSETS BASED ON PROJECT TYPE, WE, UH, AGAIN, WORKED WITH CITY STAFF AND, AND LOOKED AT A LOT OF ENGINEERING DATA TO TRY TO JUST TRY TO DETERMINE HOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CAPACITY OF THOSE PROJECTS IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED.
UM, SO THAT'S THAT PERCENT UTILIZATION 2022 COLUMN.
UM, AND THEN FROM THAT, WE LOOKED AGAIN AT, AT MODELING, UH, WHAT, HOW WE THINK THOSE ASSETS ARE GONNA BE UTILIZED BY 2032 OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, SO THAT COLUMN, THAT'S 2022 TO 2032, ANOTHER PERCENT UTILIZATION.
WE THEN BASICALLY TAKE THAT PERCENT AND WE MULTIPLY IT BY THE PROJECT COST, WHICH FOR, AGAIN, FOR EXISTING PROJECTS, UM, IS THE CONSTRUCTION COST OF THOSE PROJECTS AS PULLED FROM THE CITY'S FIXED ASSET DATABASE.
UM, THAT PERCENTAGE TIMES THAT PROJECT COST.
UH, THEN GETS MOVED OVER INTO THE 10 YEAR COST ALLOCATION COLUMN, WHICH IS A COLUMN THAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHENEVER WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS IMPACT FEE UPDATING PROCESS.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOTAL, UH, PROPOSED PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS TOTAL ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $101 MILLION.
UM, AND MOST OF THAT COST HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE 10 YEAR WINDOW.
UM, SO OF THAT $101 MILLION, UH, $70 MILLION OF THAT HAS BEEN, UH, ALLOCATED TO, TO NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THIS 10 YEAR WINDOW.
THE LITTLE TABLE ON THE BOTTOM, UM, SUMS UP THE 10 YEAR COST FOR EACH ONE OF THE ASSET TYPES.
UH, WE THEN TAKE THAT COST AND WE DIVIDE IT BY THE GROWTH AND LUS OR LIVING IN EQUIVALENTS.
SO IN THIS CASE, FOR THE WATER UTILITY, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE 9,637 NEW L LUS OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD.
AND IF WE DO THE MATH, THAT GIVES US A COST PER LUE OF $7,437.
UM, THAT $7,437 IS CALLED A WEIGHTED COST OF SERVICE.
UM, AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE'RE JUST TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE COST OF EXISTING ASSETS, UH, PLUS, UH, FUTURE ASSETS.
UH, WE DID THE SAME THING ON THE, UH, ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF PROPOSED PROJECTS, UH, TOTALING, UH, 170, A LITTLE OVER $170 MILLION, INCLUDING, UH, TWO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSIONS.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, HALF OF THE FIRST WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION, UH, ASSIGNED, UH, TO THE IMPACT FEE.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE SECOND EXPANSION ASSIGNED TO THE IMPACT FEE SINCE, UH, OR AT THIS POINT IT'S ESTIMATED THAT THAT FUTURE EXPANSION WOULD STILL HAVE EXCESS CAPACITY AT THE END OF THE 10 YEAR PLANNING PERIOD.
UH, BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THE COST, UM, OVER THIS, UH, OF THESE PROPOSED PROJECTS THAT BEEN ALLOCATED TO GROWTH OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD.
AND SO ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, WE ENDED UP WITH A, UH, WITH A NEW WEIGHTED COST OF CAPITAL OF $8,664.
UM, NOW WHY THOSE ARE IMPORTANT IS, UH, BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, UM, WE CHAPTER 3 95, THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THEN SAYS YOU HAVE ONE OF TWO OPTIONS.
UM, YOU CAN EITHER TAKE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND SIMPLY JUST CUT IT IN HALF AND THAT BECOMES YOUR NEW MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE AMOUNTS.
OR YOU CAN DO WHAT IS CALLED A A RATE CREDIT.
UM, IF WE DO A RATE CREDIT, BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE'RE MAKING A SET OF ASSUMPTIONS AND TRYING AS BEST AS WE CAN TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH OF THESE NEW PROJECTS NEW GROWTH IS GONNA PAY FOR THROUGH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES.
UM, BECAUSE THE IDEA IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO BASICALLY DOUBLE CHARGE THEM FOR THESE PROJECTS.
WE DON'T WANT TO LEVY AN IMPACT FEE ON THEM FOR THE COST OF THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN ALSO RECOUP THAT SAME COST THROUGH THE RATES.
UM, SO THERE'S A SERIES OF, OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE GO THROUGH, UM, AND, AND MAKING THAT, UH, AND MAKING THAT DETERMINATION.
UM, IF WE LOOK AT THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS, THE CITY IS BETTER OFF, UH, MEANING IT IS GONNA PRODUCE A HIGHER IMPACT FEE IF WE DO THE, THE RIGHT CREDIT OPTION.
SO USING THE RIGHT CREDIT OPTION WOULD PRODUCE A NEW MAXIMUM WATER IMPACT FEE OF $6,169 PER OUE AND A NEW MAXIMUM WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE OF $6,345 PER OUE FOR A COMBINED WATER AND WASTE WATER IMPACT
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FEE OF $12,514.UM, IF WE LOOK AT KIND OF HOW THIS COMPARES TO, UH, TO OTHER IMPACT FEES IN THE AREA, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE, AGAIN, COMBINED TO $6,361.
SO THIS WOULD, UH, ALMOST BASICALLY DOUBLE, UM, THE EXISTING IMPACT FEE.
UM, EVEN DOUBLING IT, YOU'RE NOT THE HIGHEST, UH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY FAR FROM THAT, FROM, FROM THE HIGHEST, WHICH IS, IS PFLUGERVILLE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE IN PFLUGERVILLE AND, AND NBU, UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT THE LOWEST.
UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THESE IMPACT FEES CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO INCREASE FOR SOME OF THESE CITIES OVER, OVER TIME AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEIR CONTINUING TO UPDATE THEIR IMPACT FEES.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE QUITE SIMPLY WE'RE FACED WITH THE FACT THAT BRINGING ANY MORE, ANY MORE WATER SUPPLIES TO CENTRAL TEXAS, UH, THE WATER SUPPLIES AT THIS POINT THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING ARE EXPENSIVE.
THEY'RE LOCATED A LONG WAYS AWAY.
AND SO IT'S TAKING, UH, THEY'RE JUST VERY EXPENSIVE TO, TO NOT ONLY DEVELOP THOSE WATER SUPPLIES, BUT ALSO TO CONVEY THEM TO THIS AREA.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE, UH, IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN, UH, NO LATER THAN THREE YEARS AS THOSE COSTS CONTINUE TO COME IN FOR ARAWA OR ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES THAT THE CITY MAY BE LOOKING FOR IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO THE OPTIONS BASICALLY PRESENTED, UH, TO YOU TONIGHT IS, IS OPTION ONE, WHICH WOULD BE TO ADOPT A PROPOSED WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES, UH, APPROVED BY THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THAT'S THE $12,514, APPROVED THAT AS THE MAXIMUM AND ALSO SET YOUR IMPACT FEES TO, TO EQUAL THAT.
UM, YOU COULD MAINTAIN THE CURRENT IMPACT FEES OR POTENTIALLY ADOPT THE $12,514, BUT SET AN EFFECTIVE RATE, UH, TO SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT.
UM, THAT $12,514, ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT AS A COUNCIL, YOU CAN SET AN EFFECTIVE IMPACT FEE ANYWHERE BETWEEN ZERO UP TO THAT MAXIMUM, THAT CANNOT BE ABOVE THE, THE MAXIMUM FEE IS SHOWN.
UM, STAFF, UM, NOT ONLY DID WE WORK, UH, SIGNIFICANT, SPEND SIGNIFICANT TIME WITH THE, WITH THE IMPACT V ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE ALSO DID SPEND SIGN SIGNIFICANT TIME WITH, WITH CITY STAFF THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, AND HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THEM, DISCUSSED EVERYTHING IN GREAT DETAIL WITH THEM.
UM, AND STAFF IS ALSO IN RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVING AND APPROVING THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE AND SETTING THE EFFECTIVE, UH, IMPACT FEES TO BE THE SAME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? RIZZO? YEAH.
DURING THE STUDY, DID WE, UM, TAKE EFFECT AFFORDABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, NEW BUILD? AND WHAT I'M ASKING AND WHERE I'M LEADING TO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE HOUSES THAT WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT IN THESE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE OVER $300,000.
BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE, A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS A LOT IS PROBABLY BUILDING SOMETHING SUBSTANDARD, MAYBE A SMALL TINY HOUSE UNDER 200,000.
WOULD, DID WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT MAYBE LOWERING THE IMPACT FEE ON SOMEONE BUILDING SOMETHING, UH, 200 TO $280,000? UM, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT, UH, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, HOWEVER, IT IS UP TO COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, UH, THAT SHOULD YOU WISH TO WAIVE OR, UH, GIVE A CREDIT AGAINST THE IMPACT FEE FOR ANY PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT.
YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN MAKING SURE WE'RE ALLOWING EVERYBODY TO SHARE IN HOME OWNERSHIP AS WELL.
AND NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD A A, A EXPENSIVE HOME.
SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO THE BARE MINIMUM.
SO THE IMPACT FEE FOR A SMALLER HOME MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER.
UH, BRIAN, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? NOW I'D HAVE TO GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT ACTUALLY OF HOW, HOW WE COULD DO THAT AND WHETHER, HOW LEGALLY WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE IMPACT FEES.
I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO, I HAVE NOT CONSIDERED HOW TO HANDLE THAT WITH A SMALLER HOME.
YEAH, I'M, I'M GONNA
THAT'S THE CALCULATIONS OF THEIR SHARE OF THAT COST.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID AN ANALYSIS ON THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE CITY OF KYLE? UM, I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, UH, TIME.
I COULD, I COULD LOOK AT, I COULD LOOK THAT UP, BUT I BELIEVE THAT Y'ALL ARE RIGHT.
Y'ALL ARE BUMPING UP THE FIVE YEAR AT THE FIVE YEAR WINDOW.
UH, LEON, BARBARA SEED ENGINEER, LAST TIME WE ADOPTED THE CHANGE, THE IMPACT FEES WAS IN JANUARY OF 2017.
AND HOW MUCH HAVE YOU GROWN SINCE THEN? A LOT.
SO MIKE, AS THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, UH, WE DID THAT UH, IN 2017, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE COSTS FOR CONSTRUCTION WERE AT THAT TIME COMPARED TO WHAT TODAY? THEY ARE TODAY? SO WE DO NEED TO DO IT MORE FREQUENTLY.
SO WHAT DETERMINES THE FREQUENCY OF
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WHEN WE NEED TO DO THIS? BECAUSE AT THE RATE THAT WE ARE GROWING AND WE ARE APPROVING, I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE EVEN FIVE YEARS IS WAY TOO MUCH.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION ON HOW OFTEN WE NEED TO DO THIS STUDIES COUNCIL MEMBER.
WE COULD DO THIS EVERY YEAR IF COUNCIL DESIRES, BUT I THINK THE CHAPTER 3 95, IF I'M CORRECT ON THAT, UH, SAYS, UH, YOU SHOULDN'T WAIT ANY MORE THAN FIVE YEARS.
AND SO WHAT SETS THE CAP FOR THE 12,514 SETS THE CAP? UM, SO, SO BASICALLY THAT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THESE TABLES REPRESENT.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT WE DID IS WE, WE GO THROUGH AND WE TAKE UH, AND, AND SIMPLIFY TERMS. WE GO THROUGH, WE TAKE ALL OF YOUR COSTS OF YOUR 10 YEAR PROPOSED PROJECTS OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
WE ASSIGN ALL OR A PORTION OF THOSE COSTS TO GROWTH THAT WE EXPECT TO OCCUR IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
WE SUM THAT TOTAL UP AND WE DIVIDE IT BY THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, OF NEW LU THAT WE EXPECT OVER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.
AND SO THIS AMOUNT IS NOT REALLY ACCOUNTING FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE GETTING.
IT'S JUST WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR CIP IN THE FUTURE PROJECTS.
WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING OUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO DEVELOP OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING OUT 10 YEARS.
UM, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS, IS WAS BASICALLY A, A 10 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
AND THEN AS FAR AS FUTURE GROWTH GOES, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING OUT OVER A, OVER A 10 YEAR WINDOW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T WAIT SO LONG NEXT TIME TO DO THIS ASSESSMENT BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE RATES THAT WE HAVE FOR NEW BRAND FALLS, JUST, AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT AS, YOU KNOW, TO THAT LEVEL OF GROWTH, BUT WE'RE SHORTLY APPROACHING THAT.
AND SO IF I SEE FOR THEM YOU HAVE THAT TABLE THEY HAVE, THEY'RE AROUND 29, 20 5,000.
UM, AND WE'RE ROUTE RIGHT, LIKE HALFWAY.
SO I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF INCREASING THIS IMPACT FEES TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT AND FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING AN ANALYSIS AT LEAST EVERY OTHER YEAR.
AND LIKE, AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GOES INTO THESE COMPUTATIONS.
ONE OF THOSE CERTAINLY IS THE, THE COST OF THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES, UM, AS, AS WELL AS THE GROWTH.
UM, SOME CITIES CAN FIND THEMSELVES IN A, IN A POSITION AND WHERE THEY, THEY HAVE SOME REALLY HIGH COST PROJECTS THAT THEY NEED TO DEVELOP, UH, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE GROWING A WHOLE LOT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF SOME OF THAT GROWTH.
UM, AND THAT TENDS TO PRODUCE A VERY HIGH IMPACT FEE.
UM, CONVERSELY, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE INSTANCES IN WHERE A CITY MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CIP, BUT IF THEY'RE GROWING QUICK ENOUGH, UM, THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND DIVIDE IT BY A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER OF VALUE EASE THAT WE EXPECT TO COME ON OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
UM, SO IT COULD PRODUCE A, A SMALLER IMPACT FEE.
SO THESE ARE MY LAST COMMENTS.
UM, IF WE WERE NOT TO DO THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO PAY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND CORRECT.
FOR ALL OF THIS WASTE WATER, WASTEWATER, WATER WASTEWATER FUND, NOT BE GENERAL FUND, WOULDN'T BE PROPERTY TAXES.
SO IT WILL STILL BE OUT OF THE CITY'S POCKET THAT WE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE STATE THAT THIS IS NOT AFFECTING ANY CURRENT HOMEOWNER OR ANY FEES THEY'RE PAYING.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND ETJ ANYTHING THAT IT'S APPROVED IF WE WERE TO PASS IT RIGHT NOW, CORRECT.
IMPACT FEES WOULD ONLY BE ASSESSED ON NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, ANY DOLLARS THAT DON'T COME IN FROM THE IMPACT FEES FOR NEW PROJECTS, UM, THOSE DO GET PUT INTO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY RATES, WHICH ACROSS EVERY CUSTOMER.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO, I HAVE COMMENTS.
I KNOW, BUT LET ME DO THE MOTION AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 19 TO A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF 12,514 AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO AN ANALYSIS EVERY OTHER YEAR.
YEAH, IT, IT DOES HAVE, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, I, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES? CAN YOU SPEAK FIRST? UH, YEAH, YEAH, ZENGA, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, SO WHEN I LISTENED TO SOME OF THE MEETINGS REGARDING THE IMPACT FEES, THE INITIAL NUMBERS THAT WERE CALCULATED WERE NOT 12,000.
SO WE STARTED AT 16, THEN WE GOT TO 14, AND THEN WE CAME BACK DOWN TO 12.
SO THAT TELLS ME THAT THERE WAS SOME HIGHER CALCULATED NUMBERS WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.
SO YOU SAID 12,000 IS THE MAX, BUT THERE WAS A HIGHER NUMBER
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OF 14 BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS 12.SO THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND, AND WE'VE RAN OUTTA WATER IN TWO YEARS STRAIGHT.
SO IF WE'RE GIVING AWAY OUR WATER, WE END UP PAYING MORE, THE RESIDENTS END UP PAYING MORE OUT OF COVER.
SO ARE WE UNDER, UM, CALCULATING THE 10 YEAR PERIOD AT ONLY 70 MILLION FOR WATER? BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE RAN OUT TWO YEARS STRAIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE A 70 MILLION EXPENSE OF WATER FOR CIPS FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
BUT IF IT'S HIGHER, THEN OUR IMPACT FEES WOULD BE HIGHER.
UM, WHICH GETS US BACK TO THE 14.
SO I'M NOT, I, I'M VERY HESITANT ABOUT SAYING THE 12 IS WHERE, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
I DO FEEL THIS NUMBER STARTED HIGHER.
UM, SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WERE, UM, WERE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DID CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY ABOUT HOW WE WERE INCORPORATING SOME OF THE ARAWA COST, UM, INTO THE FEES.
AND WE, WE CHANGED THAT JUST BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE MORE CONSISTENT, UM, WITH HOW WE WERE INCORPORATING.
WE WANTED TO DO THAT IN A SIMILAR WAY AS WE ARE, UH, WITH YOUR GBRA COST.
UM, CHAPTER 3 95 DOESN'T REALLY, UH, PROVIDE ANY, ANY GUIDANCE ON HOW TO HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE AN RA OR OR GBRA, UM, WHERE IT IS MORE OF AN ANNUAL COST AND NOT JUST A, A ONE TIME, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GO BUILD A NEW PIPELINE OR, OR PUMP STATION.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE INITIAL CHANGE, UM, THAT DID LOWER THE IMPACT FEE.
UM, FROM THAT POINT, UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
AND SO WE DID GO BACK AND AGAIN, WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH STAFF TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE FEE AT THAT TIME BASED ON, BASED UPON THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, SOME OF THOSE CHANGES RESULTED IN A, IN A HIGHER FEE.
I BELIEVE THE WASTEWATER FEE ACTUALLY WENT, WENT UP SLIGHTLY.
UM, BUT THE, THE WATER FEE DID COME DOWN.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE IMPACT FEE, UH, BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, AGAIN, I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK AT THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
I THINK EVERY OTHER YEAR WOULD BE, WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, BECAUSE COSTS ARE, ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IN WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH, WITH CITY STAFF, UM, WE MADE DECISIONS THAT WE, WE THOUGHT WERE REASONABLE, UM, AT THIS TIME.
SO I'VE HEARD THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PROVISIONS THAT STATE IMPACT FEES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE SO THAT WE DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO HOLD A THREE YEAR PERIOD BEFORE RAISING THEM.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CLEARLY, UM, TRUTHFUL.
THE, THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN DO THAT, UM, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT THEY WILL, UM, IF FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LARGE CHANGE IN THE IMPACT FEES OR SOME CITIES, IF THEY ARE, UH, APPROVING IMPACT FEES FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, THEY WILL APPROVE THE, THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE AMOUNT, BUT THEN THEY WILL KIND OF STAIR STEP UP TO THAT MAXIMUM.
UM, SO YEAR ONE MAY BE 30% OF THAT MAXIMUM, YEAR TWO MAY BE 50%, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, THAT'S ALLOWED, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT AS A SCALE METHOD OF IF WE DID START AT 14 IN THE FIRST YEAR, THEN THE 13, THEN WE GET TO 12, I I WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH MORE, UH, CONFIDENT IN THAT NUMBER I GUESS BEING SCALED INSTEAD OF JUST COMING DOWN TO 12 FOR THREE YEARS.
AGAIN, THAT AGAIN, I, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU, THAT YOU LOOK AT THIS, THAT IN TWO YEARS OR, OR THREE YEARS AND, AND THAT THAT MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE AMOUNT WOULD CHANGE.
UM, BUT AS, AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, YOU, IF YOU ADOPT A, AN EFFECTIVE RATE THAT EQUALS THE MAXIMUM RATE, A MAXIMUM RATE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, THE $12,514, UM, YOU CANNOT GO ABOVE THAT WITHOUT REDOING THE, THE STUDY.
SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND GOING BACK EVERY YEAR OR TWO.
AND I THINK, UH, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD, THE SOONER YOU DO THIS, THE BETTER, UH, ACCURACY YOU HAVE IN THE FEE AND MAKING SURE YOU'RE RECOVERING YOUR COSTS.
BUT WE ARE DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT WITH OUR WATER SUPPLY AND SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING.
SO IT COULD BE THAT WE WANNA COME BACK IN A YEAR IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME LARGE CAPITAL COSTS THAT ARE GONNA BE INCLUDED, AND WE NEED TO CAPTURE THOSE THAT WEREN'T IN THIS MODEL.
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SO YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT.YOU CAN COME BACK ANNUALLY IF YOU NEED TO.
YOU JUST CAN'T GO ABOVE THE STATED MAXIMUM UNLESS YOU DO ANOTHER STUDY EVERY YEAR AND YOU CAN SUPPORT IT.
IT HAS TO BE LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE.
SO THIS ITEM DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
UH, SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TRACY SHIELD FOR THE RECORD? SO I, UM, WAS A LATE MEMBER TO THE, UH, COMMISSION FOR THE IMPACT FEE.
UM, AND IT WAS MY VERY FIRST MEETING OF, UH, THAT AND WHEN I HAD FIRST HEARD THAT IT HAD STARTED AT 16, WENT DOWN TO 14, AND THEN HE TOLD US WHERE THOSE COMMENTS WERE COMING FROM.
AND THAT WAS FROM A DEVELOPER ASSOCIATION
THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY LOOKED AT IT AND CAME DOWN.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE CITY OF KYLE WORKS, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THE OTHER REASON I DISSENTED, AND THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THAT ON THE TABLE, WAS TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT ALL OF THE SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT WATER PROVIDERS.
UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A COUPLE ON THAT, THAT STILL AFFECT THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF KYLE.
UM, AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THAT CHART COUNTY LINE, IT SAYS 11 SEVEN, MY NUMBER IS 1300 JUST FOR THE WATER ITSELF.
SO, UM, AND THE REASON FOR THE WASTEWATER BEING SO LOW, OF COURSE, IS BECAUSE COUNTY LINE DOESN'T HAVE VERY MANY WASTEWATER.
SO, UM, THAT WAS THE REASON I VOTED NO, UH, WAS, THAT'S JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I I AGREED WITH THE 14, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH KNOWING THAT, UH, R WAS COMING UP AND
SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD? HI, GOOD EVENING.
DAVID GLENN WITH THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING TONIGHT, BUT SINCE WE WERE JUST MENTIONED, I FIGURED I WOULD COME HERE AND, UM, SHARE WITH Y'ALL SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE LEARNED WHEN WE LOOKED AT THESE IMPACT FEES.
UM, IT IS TRUE THAT WE DID SIT DOWN WITH THE, WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THE CITY STAFF, AND WE ACTUALLY HIRED AN OUT, AN OUTSIDE FIRM OF OUR OWN, UM, CALLED LAUNCH DFA FINANCIAL WHO SPECIALIZES IN DEVELOPMENT FEE ANALYSIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND, UM, THROUGH THEIR EXPERTISE, WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT TEAM SIT DOWN WITH THE, UH, CITY'S CONSULTANT, CITY STAFF AND SOME OF OUR MEMBERS, AND WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROJECT, UM, PIECE BY PIECE.
WE HAVE A, A REPORT THAT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL.
I I KNOW I DIDN'T SEND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WE'D LANDED IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE.
BUT, UM, IT, IT DID, UH, BASICALLY THE SHORT VERSION IS SOME OF THE PROJECTS, UM, THAT WERE BEING ACCOUNTED FOR IN THAT 10, 10 YEAR PERIOD, UM, WEREN'T ACTUALLY GONNA BE FULLY USED IN THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST OF A PROJECT WAS THROWN INTO THE CIP, BUT ONLY 75% OF THAT PROJECT CAPACITY WOULD BE USED WITHIN THAT 10 YEARS.
SO BY LAW, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INCLUDE MORE OF THE COST OF A PROJECT IF THAT PROJECT'S NOT GONNA BE USED TO THAT SAME AMOUNT OF, UM, CAPACITY.
SO THAT WAS WHAT BROUGHT THE FEE DOWN.
IT WAS A RATHER LARGE PROJECT.
I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE REALM OF $10 MILLION, UH, DELTA.
SO I, AND I SENT SOME INFORMATION TO Y'ALL, UM, AND SOME COMPARISONS FROM OTHER CITIES AS WELL.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
SO WHAT INTEREST DO YOU HAVE WITH KYLE? SO WE REPRESENT, UH, THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, RIGHT? SO WE COVER 30 CITIES AND SEVEN DIFFERENT COUNTIES.
UH, A LOT OF OUR BUILDERS BUILD, WE BUILD PROBABLY BETWEEN 80 AND 90% OF THE HOUSES ALL IN CENTRAL TEXAS.
UM, WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO MEET MORE OF THE MARKET, WHICH MEANS AFFORDABLE HOMES, HOMES THAT CAN BE BUILT MORE AFFORDABLY ARE, ARE IMPORTANT TO SEE THE FEE DOUBLE, UM, THAT'S A PASS THROUGH COST.
SO, UH, AND THE, AND THE NUMBER I SENT Y'ALL, THE NAHP HAS A, WHAT THEY CALL THE PRICED OUT INDEX, WHERE THEY LOOK AT, UH, THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN A, IN A COMMUNITY, THE MEDIAN INCOME, AND THEN WHATEVER THE MORTGAGE RATES ARE AT THAT TIME.
AND THEY BASICALLY CAN ANALYZE HOW MANY FAMILIES ARE PRICED OUT PER $1,000 INCREASE.
AND IN THE AUSTIN MSA, IT'S 1,166 FAMILIES.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A $6,000 INCREASE, PLUS WHATEVER MARGIN HAS TO BE PUT ON TOP OF THAT, PASSED DOWN TO THE CONSUMER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 7,000 FAMILIES WHO ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
SO I HAD SENT A DOCUMENT TO Y'ALL, UH, TWO DOCUMENTS IN THAT EMAIL.
UM, ONE WAS THE, UH, TEACHER'S PAY FOR HAYES ID.
ANOTHER ONE WAS THE, UM, POLICE OFFICER'S PAY FOR THE CITY.
AND THE REASON I SENT THAT IS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE A THIRD OR FOURTH YEAR TEACHER, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE
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IN THAT HOUSEHOLD BEFORE YOU CAN AFFORD THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE IN THE CITY.IF YOU CONTINUE TO, IF THE FEES CONTINUE TO INCREASE, YOU'RE GONNA FIND IT HARDER, HARDER FOR, FOR POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS AND TEACHERS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN KYLE.
AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS THE FOLKS, UM, WHO ARE COMMUTING IN, WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE AS TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO GET WORSE AND SPRAWL, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, ET CETERA, ARE STAYING PUT.
AND SO I I, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, UM, THAT'S OUR ANGLE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR HOME BUYERS, OUR HOME, SORRY, HOME BUILDERS HAVE THE WIDEST MARKET THAT THEY CAN SELL TO.
WELL, I FEEL LIKE, WELL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO THIS IS FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S OVER, YOU CAN BRING HIM BACK UP AND ENGAGE WITH HIM, IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
YES, IT IS JUST SENT AN EMAIL.
SO I WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EMAIL HE SENT SINCE, WHICH I'M SAYING YOU CAN, IT'S JUST IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES, THAT'S ALL PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO BACK AND FORTH DURING COMMENTS OR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I CAN CLOSE IT AND YOU CAN JUST STAND RIGHT THERE AND THEN WE WILL KEEP GOING.
I, I HAD ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT WHAT HE SAID, CLOSE THE BOOK.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE ELSE TO COME UP AND SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ENGAGE WITH DAVID IN HIS EMAIL.
NEIL STEGEL, PLANNING AGAINST ZONING COMMISSIONER FOR THE RECORD.
UM, JUST KEEP THIS STUPID SIMPLE.
WE LOOKED AT THESE NUMBERS IN THEIR DETAIL, WE'RE A BIT OVERWHELMED, FRANKLY, IT'S QUITE A BIT TO LOOK AT.
BUT WHAT WE DECIDED WAS SIMPLY THAT TOO MUCH OF THE BURDEN WAS BEING BORN BY CURRENT RATE PAYERS.
AND THAT, THAT HAD ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE AS THIS CITY HAD GROWN, THAT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WERE MAKING THE OUTLAYS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING THAT WAS FAIR FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.
WHAT WE FIRST CAME TO WAS ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE $14,000 FIGURE.
IT WASN'T 16 THAT I REMEMBER THOUGH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, BUT IN THE END, WHAT WE AGREED UPON WAS THAT THE $12,000 PLUS, WHICH IS I RECALL JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, DOUBLED THE IMPACT FEE.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A GOOD PLACE TO BE, UM, TO START.
WE REALIZED THERE'S SO MANY INPUTS HERE IN TERMS OF NUMBERS AND THE DYNAMICS OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, THOUGH, THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND HAVE THE COUNCIL COME BACK AND REVISIT THIS.
AND OUR THOUGHT, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS NO MORE THAN THREE YEARS OUT.
SO THAT WAS THE GIST OF OUR DISCUSSION AND WHAT WAS BEHIND THE, THE THINKING AND THE DECISION MAKING OF THE MAJORITY.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I APPRECIATE HAVING TWO MEMBERS OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING HERE, BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE COMMENTS.
THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATED.
UM, AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
I THINK THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A LOWER TAX RATE DESPITE HAVING SUCH A LOW IMPACT FEE.
SO I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ONCE THIS IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN DOUBLE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO RETRACT THAT FROM GOING EVERY, UM, TWO YEARS TO EVERY YEAR.
WE ARE GROWING AT A REALLY FAST RATE, AND THERE IS NO WAY OUR CURRENT TAXPAYER SHOULD BE TAKING THE BURDEN OF PAYING FOR THIS IMPACT FEES, WHICH SADLY ONLY BENEFITS, UH, DEVELOPERS.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR IN HERE.
SO THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE TABLE, SIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 19 WITH A MAXIMUM FEE OF 12,514 AND FOR US TO DO A REVISION OF THIS ANALYSIS EVERY YEAR.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA, THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT AND RECOMMENDED AMOUNT, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE THE SAME.
SO WE'RE GOING WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YES, MA'AM.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT DOES THIS STUDY COST US THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IT YEARLY? WHAT'S THE COST ON THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE QUESTION WE HAVEN'T ASKED UP HERE.
UM, THEY'RE PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT AS TO COMING OVER THE FUTURE FEE FOR THIS.
UH, TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY WHAT KNOW, WHAT WAS THE FEE? WHAT WAS THE COST? NO, NO.
I MEAN, I MEAN OUR, OUR, OUR FEE.
UM, TYPICALLY THE FEE FOR, UM, UPDATING AN IMPACT FEE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 20 TO $25,000 RANGE.
SO I'LL JUST REMEMBER THERE IS A FEE FOR WE STUDY.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMFORTABLE.
THEN MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE CAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THE AMOUNT THAT WE CHARGE FOR THE IMPACT FEE LIKE WE WERE THIS YEAR.
THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WILL SAY AS FAR AS THE, THE COST TO DO THE STUDY, THAT COST DOES GET ROLLED INTO THE IMPACT FEE.
UM, SO IT IS RECOVERABLE THERE.
YOU GO THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE IMPACT FEE AND SOMEBODY STILL PAYING, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU STILL PAYING, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF GOOD NEWS.
YEAH, THERE'S BEEN MORE EXPENSIVE STUDIES.
SO I I, I HAVE A, A COUPLE COMMENTS.
SOME YOU MIGHT LIKE DAVID AND SOME YOU PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA LIKE, SO JUST PREPARE YOURSELF.
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SO, UM, COMMENT NUMBER ONE THAT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY IS CORRECT, THE COST OF LIVING IS GOING UP.UH, AND SO THE IMPACT FEES GOING UP DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON AFFORDABILITY.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS A PASS THROUGH.
AND SO WE'RE INCREASING THE PRICE OF NEW HOMES IN THE CITY OF KYLE AND ET CETERA.
AND THE COST OF DEVELOPING COMMERCIAL BY A FAIRLY LARGE PERCENTAGE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAY, A TWO INCH LINE IS EIGHT LUE.
UH, IF THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, CARRIED OUT FROM A $12,000 STANDPOINT, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR FOR, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL IMPACT ON DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES THAT WAY.
WHAT, WHERE I VERY MUCH DISAGREE WITH YOU AND WHY I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE IS WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT PRICING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES, YOU INCLUDED, UH, THE, THE COST OF THE IMPACT FEE AND YOU ALSO INCLUDED THE MORTGAGE RATES AND TO TURN IT INTO A MONTHLY AMOUNT.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING THERE IS THE IMPACT ON UTILITY BILLS, WHICH IS WHAT OFTENTIMES PEOPLE REFER TO AS A HIDDEN FEE.
BUT YOUR ACTUAL MONTHLY BILL ENDS UP, IF YOU'RE PAYING $150 A MONTH, YOU MULTIPLY THAT OUT OVER 12 MONTHS.
THAT'S ALSO A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON A HOMEOWNER.
AND SO THE COST BEING WHAT IT IS, IF WE GO WITH A, A, A, A LOWER IMPACT FEE, THEN WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BORROW MONEY TO PUT IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND PAYING FOR THE BORROWED MONEY MEANS THAT, THAT WE ARE HAVING TO INCREASE OUR RATE, UH, RATES, WHICH WE'VE HAD TO DO MULTIPLE TIMES, AND OUR WATER RATES ARE NOW AMONG THE HIGHEST IN ORDER TO SHOULDER THAT BURDEN FOR ARAWA.
WHEN OFTENTIMES IT'S NOT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WHO NEED THE NEW WATER, IT'S THE FUTURE RESIDENTS WHO ARE CAUSING THAT.
SO THE ARGUMENT ON AFFORDABILITY IS WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT NOT HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH FOR THE IMPACT THAT THEY'RE MAKING AND INSTEAD SPREAD THAT INCREASE OUT OVER PEOPLE WHO AREN'T A PART OF THAT GROWTH.
AND SO THE OVERALL COST MAYBE WOULDN'T BE QUITE SO SUBSTANTIAL ON A INDIVIDUAL NEW PERSON, BUT THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE IMPACT FOR OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE SYSTEM IS BORN 100% BY THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
AND SO FOR ME, I THINK THERE IS A POINT WHERE YOU CAN GET OVERLY WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO CHARGE MORE MONEY THAN 10 YEARS WORTH OF CIPS ALL ROLLED IN, AND THEN YOU'RE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY IMPACTING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
YOU'RE MAKING THEM PAY FOR MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE.
UM, BUT I LOVE THE PROCESS AND TO ME, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A STATE REGULATED PROCESS, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH IT ALL THE WAY AND IDENTIFY ALL YOUR CIPS, ROLL OUT THE COST AND ABSORB THAT INTO YOUR, UH, IMPACT FEE, TO DO THAT REGULARLY, UM, MAKES SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE PLAN OUT FAR MORE THAN ONE YEAR AT A TIME.
SO WE KNOW WHAT OUR IM, WHAT OUR CIP IMPACT IS GONNA BE NEXT YEAR.
BUT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE JUST HAD TO DO A $14 MILLION INCREASE, THAT WAS UNBUDGETED.
UH, I THINK THAT EVEN FOR RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY, 'CAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS ARE WHAT'S COMING ONLINE.
SO WE, WE REALLY ARE CROSSING THAT THRESHOLD.
SO WE MIGHT AS WELL, HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR FOREVER.
'CAUSE IT IS A BIG LABORIOUS PROCESS.
SO ANYWAYS, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
BUT THE TRUTH IS A WATER LINE, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, THE COMMENTARY I THINK FROM LEON WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DID, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.
THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH WE FORMULATED IN 2017, COST $30 MILLION.
AND IT WAS AN INCREASE OF, UH, THE PLANT FACILITIES.
AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THE NEXT EXPANSION, BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE DID IT, UH, WOULD ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER.
AND INSTEAD IT'S HOW MUCH LEON? A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE, THAT'S TRIPLE.
SO THAT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE 200% INCREASE, WHICH IS TRIPLE, WHICH IS ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, WHICH IS WHY I SUPPORT IT, THE MATH CHECKS OUT, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION.
AND WHY ARE WE HAVING TO EXPAND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? NOT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE USING MORE WASTEWATER THAT CURRENTLY LIVE HERE, BECAUSE WE ARE ADDING NEW RATE PAYERS INTO THE SYSTEM, WHICH IS CAUSING THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND INFLATION AND, AND INFLATION OF DOLLARS.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME, MAYOR PRO TEM.
AND JUST REAL QUICK, SEEING A STUDY THE OTHER DAY I SAW ON THE NEWS WHERE, WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION PLAN BETWEEN AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO, THEY'RE CALLING THIS THE NEW METROPLEX.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE NEXT 20 YEARS, 9 MILLION PEOPLE.
OKAY, SO IMAGINE 2 MILLION, 3 MILLION IN AUSTIN, 3 MILLION IN SAN ANTONIO, WHERE'S THE OTHER MILLION GONNA COME, COME HERE IN BUD SAN MARCUS, NEW BRONX AND ALL THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LOOKING AT AT THAT RATE.
WELL, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE OUR IDEAL TO HAVE THE HIGHEST FEES.
NO, IT'S NOT ON ANYTHING, BUT IT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE AFTER.
IT'S, IT'S, BUT WE, OF THE NUMBERS, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, THE MATH IS ADDING UP.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CAPTURING THOSE CIP DOLLARS IN OUR, IN OUR RATES.
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IS, I KNOW YOU PRESENTED THAT SLIDE OF OUR RATES ARE UP HERE AND A LOT OF OTHERS ARE DOWN BELOW, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, IT'S KINDA LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE NEW QUARTERBACK GETTING A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT DEAL, YOU THINK HE'S THE HIGHEST PAID AND THEN THE NEXT ONE COMES AND IT'S ALWAYS HIGHER THAN THAT SOMETHING, SORRY FOR THE SPORTS METAPHOR, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE CITIES THAT ARE ABOUT TO JUMP UP RIGHT WHERE WE ARE.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CUSTOMER ZA? YEAH, IF EVERYBODY'S GONE.
IF WE VOTE ON THIS, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD GO BACK AND MODIFY THIS IN A WAY IN CASE, UH, FOR WHAT I BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, MAKING SURE, UH, IF WE ONCE, AFTER WE RESEARCH THIS, IS THERE A WAY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK IF WE VOTE ON IT TODAY? WELL, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF TWO READINGS AND, OKAY, SO, SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE A SECOND READING ON THE 19TH.
SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.
UM, IF IT'S, WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT.
I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY ASPECT ON THIS.
THERE ARE SOME HOUSES THAT MIGHT BE BUILT THAT AREN'T AT THE LEVEL THAT MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING UP.
IT COULD BE SOMEBODY ON A FAMILY LOT TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S JUST SMALL.
AND DO WE WANT TO CHARGE THEM THE SAME IMPACT FEE AS EVERYBODY ELSE? SOMEBODY BUILDING THREE OR $400,000 HOUSE.
DO WE WANT TO CHARGE THE ONE BUILDING A $250,000 HOUSE THAT IMPACT FEE? AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, INCLUSIVITY, MAKING SURE EVERYBODY HAS THAT CHANCE TO BUILD A HOME IN, IN KYLE, ANY THOUGHT ON THAT? I THOUGHT THEY, THEY ALREADY CALCULATED BY THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IMPACT FEE IS PERCENTAGE OF THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
NO, IT'S A, IT'S A SPECIFIC AMOUNT BASED ON THE LUE THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE $12,515.
SO I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, WATER AND WASTEWATER DOESN'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THE HOME THAT IT'S GOING INTO AND THE CALCULATIONS AREN'T BASED ON THAT.
THEY'RE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT YOU ARE APPLYING FOR.
SO THE SMALLER LIKE THING, IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTS OR HOMEOWNERS WHO PAY, LIKE WHEN YOU DO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THOSE ARE REALLY SMALL UNITS, BUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ARE HAVING TO DRAW DOWN A BIG AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TRYING TO COME UP WITH SORT OF LIKE A MAYBE SOME KIND OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION KIND OF THING.
I, I JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
AND WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IS, IS ACCIDENTALLY MAKE IT SUCH THAT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPERS GET TO PAY EVEN LESS, WHICH, BECAUSE THERE'S, THEY HAVE THE SMALLEST SQUARE FOOTAGES.
I THINK THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE COULD HAVE EVEN AFTER THIS VOTE.
SO IF WE COULD JUST, UH, EXPLORE INTO IT, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT FROM THE DAIS.
UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GIVE DIRECTION WITHOUT THE DAIS CONSENT.
WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH EXPLORING IT? WELL, IF IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, I WAS JUST BEFORE YOU SAID THAT I WAS PLANNING TO ASK FOR IT TO BE FINALLY PASSED, BUT IF YOU WANT TO OBJECT TO THE FINAL PASSAGE, YOU CAN FORCE IT TO COME BACK FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, DECEMBER 19TH.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN FINALLY PASS IT AND THEN DO AN AMENDMENT IF WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE HE, HE, HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK EVEN IF YOU WERE TO BUILD YOUR OWN HOUSE THAT YOU DO NOT, YOU SHOULD BE ACCEPTED FROM PAYING THE NEW FEE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO PAY.
SO, SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS AFFORDABILITY, AND THAT'S GIVING EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO BUILD A HOUSE IN KYLE.
EVEN THOSE THAT AREN'T NOT GONNA BUILD THE 300, $400,000 HOUSE THAT CAN AFFORD A BIG IMPACT FEE LIKE THIS.
THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BUILD A SMALLER HOUSE, LET ME FINISH PLEASE, THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO APPLY, BUT IT MIGHT KEEP THEM FROM BUILDING THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE WE'RE ADDING A BIG LARGE IMPACT FEE ON THEM.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THREE BATHROOMS IN THEIR HOUSE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TWO BATHROOMS. MAYBE A SINGLE BATHROOM AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO ADULTS LIVING IN THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AS SOMEBODY LIVING IN A THREE OR $400,000 HOME.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? HOW OFTEN DO WE GET REQUESTS FOR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, OR IMPACT? HOW MUCH, HOW OFTEN DO WE COLLECT IMPACT FEES FROM A SINGLE PERSON TRYING TO BUILD A HOUSE IN THEIR LOT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I MEAN, WE, I I WOULD SUSPECT, UM, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER PERCENTAGE THAN, THAN, UH, THE LARGER BUILDERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND TRY TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS.
I I THINK WE WERE THINKING OVER HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE POSSIBILITIES OF TRYING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF SMALLER AFFORDABLE COMPONENT.
IT'S REALLY GOTTA BE BASED ON THE METER SIZE IS BASED ON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF HOW YOU CAN APPROACH THAT.
THERE MAY BE SOME, UM, OTHER AVENUES THAT WE COULD EXPLORE, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW I THINK WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A PERMIS WAY TO DO THAT LEGALLY.
I, I THINK THAT THE STUDIES ARE BASED ON THE, THE MATHEMATICS AND UNIFORMITY OF HOW THOSE, THOSE, UH, FEES
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ARE APPLIED.AND SO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY, BUT I, I JUST NOT, BASED ON WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I'M, I'M NOT HOPEFUL THAT THERE'S A SOLUTION.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALLS IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND DOES ANYONE OBJECT TO THIS ITEM BEING FINALLY PASSED? ALL RIGHT, SO YOU KNOW, THIS ITEM IS FINALLY PASSED.
[22. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and consider directing the City Manager to develop and release a Request for Proposal (RFP) to provide additional mental health services through a cooperative agreement between the City, County, and any private partners that are identified. ~ Bear Heiser, Council Member]
22, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION.CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP AND RELEASE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES THROUGH A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY, COUNTY AND ANY PRIVATE PARTNERS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED.
UH, YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH IS AN ISSUE I DEEPLY CARE ABOUT.
UH, MANY OF US HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP KIDS AND FAMILIES WHO ARE STRUGGLING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I CALLED FOR THIS ITEM TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M HOPING WE CAN TAKE A FIRST STEP TOWARD FINDING A SOLUTION FOR OUR KIDS.
THE OUTCOME I'M HOPING TO ACHIEVE TONIGHT IS TO ASK STAFF TO CREATE AN RFP TO SOLICIT A PROPOSAL THAT LAYS OUT HOW STAKEHOLDERS IN OUR CITY AND COUNTY CAN COME TOGETHER TO PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST.
I'M NOT HERE TO ASK FOR MONEY.
I'M MERELY ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT BY TAKING THE NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS SO WE HAVE A POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO CONSIDER.
OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS, I'VE SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME MEETING WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE MENTAL HEALTH HEALTH LANDSCAPE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS MADE VERY CLEAR TO ME IS THAT OUR CITY LACKS MUCH NEEDED RESOURCES THAT SIGNIFICANTLY COULD AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE WAY, UH, FROM, UH, THERAPY SERVICES, PSYCHIATRY, ADDICTION SUPPORT, BEHAVIORAL INTERVENTIONS, ACADEMIC ASSISTANCE, CAREER PREP, COMMUNITY AND SERVICE LEARNING ARE JUST A FEW.
UH, BUT WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THOSE RESOURCES AND, UH, WE'RE NOT ALONE IN NOT HAVING THOSE RESOURCES.
THERE'S CITIES ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE IN A SIMILAR POSITION.
IN MAY OF 2022, THE MEADOWS MENTAL HEALTH POLICY INSTITUTE CONDUCTED A STUDY THAT ADDRESSED MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS IN HAYES COUNTY.
IT'S, UH, RIGHT HERE, AND I CAN SEND IT TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO THROUGH IT.
UH, THE REPORT STATES THAT 50% OF ALL MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES DEVELOPED BY THE AGE OF 14 AND 75% DEVELOPED BY THE AGE OF 24.
THE STUDY ALSO STATES THAT SYMPTOMS USUALLY ARE PRESENT FOR YEARS BEFORE A YOUTH IS BROUGHT IN FOR HELP.
DUE TO THESE CHALLENGES, MANY CHILDREN AND YOUTH FIRST RECEIVED TREATMENT IN JUVENILE DETENTION CENTERS.
AND WHY IS THIS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, AND THESE ARE SOME QUOTES I PULLED OUT, UM, THERE ARE LIMITED OUTPATIENT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROVIDERS FOR KIDS AND ADULTS, HILL COUNTRY, MHDD, UH, WHICH IS MENTAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT DISABILITIES, WHO WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM, UM, UH, HILL COUNTRY TONIGHT.
UH, HILL COUNTRY HAS STRAINED CAPACITY AND IS UNABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE GROWING POPULATION IN HAYES COUNTY.
THERE ARE RISING COMMUNITY CONCERNS RELATING TO STUDENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH, WHICH WE KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY KNOW A LOT ABOUT IN THIS CITY.
IDENTIFICATION AND TREATMENT OF MENTAL ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER SHOULD OCCUR AT THE EARLIEST STAGE OF THE, THE ILLNESS.
AND FINALLY, THERE IS LIMITED COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER COORDINATION WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BUILDING FROM EXISTING EFFORTS.
AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT I, I, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT IS, IS THE COORDINATION BETWEEN, UH, INVESTED CONTRIBUTORS AROUND, UM, OUR CITY AND COUNTY, IS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO EFFECT CHANGE IN THAT AREA.
EARLIER THIS YEAR, STATE REP AARON WIENER HELD A TOWN HALL, UH, WITH PARENTS AND RELATIVES OF CHILDREN WHO WERE TAKEN FROM THEM BY THE FENTANYL CRISIS.
I BELIEVE IN TOTAL WE'VE LOST SEVEN KIDS TO FENTANYL OVERDOSE SINCE THE SUMMER OF 22, 20 22.
AND SOMEWHERE AROUND A HALF DOZEN CASES, OR I'M SORRY, A DOZEN CASES OF SUSPECTED OVERDOSE.
DURING THE DISCUSSIONS THE FAMILY SHARED SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THEY FACED WHEN TRYING TO GET HELP FOR THEIR KIDS.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE, UH, LACK OF LOCAL PROVIDERS.
AND THE FEW THAT ARE LOCAL HAVE LONG WAIT LISTS AND INFLEXIBLE HOURS.
SOME OF THE FAMILIES LACKED INSURANCE OR HAD INSURANCE PLANS THAT DON'T COVER THE SERVICES THAT THEIR KIDS BADLY NEED.
THERE IS A HIGH BARRIER TO ENTRY WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING HELP.
IT PUTS A STRAIN ON AN ENTIRE FAMILY AND ISSUES, UH, REGARDING TRANSPORTATION DURING THE LIMITED HOURS OF AVAILABILITY FOR SOME OF THESE PROVIDERS.
UH, I'M JUST GONNA THROW SOME QUICK DATA POINTS AT YOU AND THEN AND, AND TRY TO WRAP THIS UP.
UM, ACCORDING TO, UH, HILL COUNTRY, WHICH IS THE, THE LONE CLINIC HERE IN KYLE,
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UH, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, 1,197 TOTAL PATIENTS IN THE LAST YEAR.339 OF WHICH ARE CHILDREN, UH, 22 BETWEEN THE AGES OF FIVE AND NINE, A HUNDRED FORTY FIVE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 10 AND 14 AND 225 BETWEEN THE AGES OF 15 AND 19.
UH, SOME COMPARISON DATA JUST IN THE LAST 90 DAYS, THAT AGE RANGE OF FIVE TO 19, UH, ACCOUNTS FOR 13.9% OF ALL THE TOTAL SERVICE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PROVIDED IN THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
IT IS DOUBLE OVER DOUBLE AT 33.9% OF ALL TOTAL MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES PROVIDED BY HILL COUNTRY.
IN A CITY THAT'S LARGER THAN US, WE HAVE OVER DOUBLED THE TOTAL VOLUME OF KIDS WHO ARE HAVE SOUGHT CARE FOR MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY PERSONAL FOR ME.
UM, I, I'VE LEARNED, UH, DIFF A DIFFICULT WAY TO BE VERY OPEN WITH EVERYBODY ABOUT MY OWN STRUGGLES WITH MENTAL HEALTH.
UM, IT CAN BE A VERY LONELY HEAD SPACE AT TIMES.
UH, KNOWING THAT I LIVED, UH, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF MY LIFE, NOT EVEN REALIZING THAT I BATTLE DEPRESSION AND, UH, SERIOUS CASE OF A DHD.
UH, I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO RECEIVE THE CARE THAT THEY NEED.
UH, I MISSED OUT ON A LOT OF GREAT OPPORTUNITIES AND EXPERIENCES IN MY LIFE BECAUSE I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE REASONS FOR MY STRUGGLES.
I WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE TODAY HAD I NOT GOTTEN HELP.
I PROBABLY WOULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE STUCK IN WHAT SEEMED LIKE A NEVER ENDING SPIRAL.
SITTING HERE NOW BEING IN THIS POSITION, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON OUR KIDS THAT CAN LAST AN ENTIRE LIFETIME.
NO, WE'RE NOT DOCTORS, SO WE OBVIOUSLY CANNOT OURSELVES PROVIDE CARE, BUT WHAT WE ARE IS DECISION MAKERS WHO TONIGHT, I HOPE, WILL SAY YES TO TAKING THIS FIRST STEP.
WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A SECOND STEP, THAT DECISION WILL COME ANOTHER DAY.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING ME OUT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNCILOR HEISER.
AND I HAVE, UH, MICHELLE MEYER HERE FROM HILL COUNTRY.
SHE'S THE HEAD CLINICIAN AT THE, AT THE CLINIC, IF FOR TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I ALSO, UM, WANTED TO ECHO A COUPLE OF DATA POINTS THAT COUNCILMAN HEISER SHARED.
UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS MICHELLE ZAMAR.
I'M WITH THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY.
I SUPERVISE THE KYLE MENTAL HEALTH CLINIC HERE, TUCKED BEHIND SETON HAYES.
UM, WE, AS COUNCILMAN HEISER SAID, UM, HE MENTIONED SOME DATA ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT MY CLINIC SEES.
BUT I WANTED TO REALLY POINT OUT TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT THAT, UM, THE NUMBER OF CRISIS, THE, THE CRISIS PERCENTAGE THAT MY CLINIC SEES WAS 26% OF OUR TOTAL CRISIS CALLS WERE FOR CHILDREN.
SO THESE ARE CHILDREN THAT ARE HAVING THOUGHTS ABOUT WANTING TO HURT OR KILL THEMSELVES, OR HURT OR KILL SOMEONE ELSE, OR THEY HAVE MENTALLY DECOMPENSATED TO A POINT WHERE THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS FOR THEM TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES.
SO 26% OF OUR TOTAL CRISIS CALLS ARE THOSE CHILDREN, UM, COMPARED TO 18% IN SAN MARCOS.
SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME, I MEAN, WE CAN, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF THEORIES FOR WHY THAT IS RIGHT.
BUT I THINK THE MOST COMPELLING OF IT IS THE LACK OF OUTPATIENT SERVICES IN KYLE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
SO PEOPLE'S OFTENTIMES FIRST POINT OF CONTACT WITH MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT IS WHEN THEY'RE IN CRISIS, WHEN THEY'VE DETERIORATED TO THAT POINT.
UM, SO THAT IS, UH, THE BIG DATA.
THE OTHER BIG DATA POINT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THAT IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MY CLINIC HAS PROVIDED 567 ROUTINE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES TO CHILDREN COMPARED TO JUST 366 IN SAN MARCO.
SO THERE IS REALLY A NEED HERE.
IT IS REALLY BEING USED THE, UH, ROUTINE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
AND AS COUNCILMAN HEISER SAID, WE ARE THE ONLY REAL PROVIDER OF THAT IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO I DID WANNA, UH, SPEAK TO THE MEADOWS REPORT REALLY BRIEFLY.
JUST, UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THERE'S SOME GOOD STUFF IN THERE.
BUT ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS FOR ME WAS THEY SAID NEARLY HALF OF ALL CHILDREN IN HAYES COUNTY HAVE ONE OR MORE, WHAT THEY CALL ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES.
SO ONE WAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN THINK ABOUT ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES IS TRAUMA, RIGHT? THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH ABUSE, NEGLECT, EXPLOITATION, PARENTAL INCARCERATION, UH, HAVE THEY HAVE MAYBE PARENTS IN THE HOME THAT HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS OR SUBSTANCE USE.
BASICALLY THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TRAUMA.
AND, UM, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT TRAUMA ALSO IS THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE TYPICALLY UNDER-REPORTED, RIGHT? SO THERE IS SHAME AND THERE IS STIGMA AROUND HAVING BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING HORRIBLE IN YOUR LIFE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY SAY NEARLY HALF HAVE BEEN THROUGH TRAUMA, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT NUMBER IS MUCH GREATER.
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THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF NEGATIVE OUTCOMES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE UNTREATED MENTAL ILLNESS.AS COUNCILMAN HEISER MENTIONED, THEY END UP IN JAILS, DETENTION CENTERS, HOSPITALS, UH, DRAINING RESOURCES AND NOT REALLY, UM, GETTING COMPREHENSIVE HELP.
UM, SO SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT THE PARENTS IN MY CLINIC FACE ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO PULL THEIR KIDS FOR MULTIPLE SCHOOL APPOINTMENTS.
THERE'S A LACK OF COORDINATION AS THE MEADOW STUDY POINTS OUT BETWEEN OUR YOUTH SERVING AGENCIES.
THERE'S A STIGMA AROUND SEEKING HELP FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND, UM, IF FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, I, WE TALKED ABOUT NEGATIVE OUTCOMES THERE.
SOME OTHER ONES I WANTED TO REITERATE THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS CITY SPECIFICALLY IS SUBSTANCE USE.
UM, UNTREATED MENTAL ILLNESS, ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES, AND NO ONE TO PROCESS OR HEAL THAT THOSE EXPERIENCES, UM, THAT CAN LEAD TO SUBSTANCE USE.
I HAVE SEEN KIDS, AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, I'M TRYING NOT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME, IS THAT I HAVE, UH, 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH AT-RISK YOUTH, INJUSTICE INVOLVED YOUTH.
AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS THERE IS SOME KIND OF TRAUMA IN THEIR CHILDHOOD AND IN THEIR TEENAGE YEARS, IT TURNS INTO NEGATIVE PEER ASSOCIATIONS.
THEY, THEY USE NEGATIVE PEERS, THEY MEET STRANGERS ONLINE, THEY TURN TO DRUGS.
THEY, UM, JUST ARE DOING ALL THE PROBLEMATIC WAYS OF COPING THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT FOR OUR CHILDREN.
AND THAT IS WHAT I SEE, UM, HAPPENING HERE IN THIS CITY IS KIDS ARE NOT TURNING TO PRO-SOCIAL WAYS OF COPING WITH, UM, THEIR TRAUMA.
AND WE DON'T HAVE RESOURCES FOR THEM, EVEN IF THEY DID WANT TO TURN TO SOME PROFESSIONAL HELP.
UM, SO I WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH MORE OF YOUR TIME, BUT I DID WANNA JUST NOTE THAT WHAT THE COUNCILMAN IS PROPOSING TODAY WOULD, COULD POTENTIALLY SERVE TO EXPAND RESOURCES IN OUR AREA TO ENSURE THAT KIDS ARE NOT FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE RESOURCES WE CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT WE COULD STILL DO BETTER FOR THE KIDS IN THIS CITY, UM, ESPECIALLY IN A CITY LIKE KYLE, WHERE THERE'S JUST GONNA BE CONTINUED GROWTH AND THAT IS JUST GONNA CREATE FURTHER STRAIN ON OUR LOCAL RESOURCES.
SO I DID WANNA SAY A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN HEISER FOR PIONEERING LOCAL ACTION ON THIS ISSUE.
AND, UM, TO EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT FOR HEARING ME SPEAK.
AND I AM A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER.
I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THAT.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH OR ANYTHING, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING TONIGHT.
OKAY, UH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS FOR YOU, WHEN YOU SAY ROUTINE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE, WHEN A A CHILD CALLS IN, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YEAH, SO ROUTINE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES COULD BE ANYTHING FROM CASE MANAGEMENT APPOINTMENTS, IT COULD BE SKILLS TRAINING.
WE PROVIDE EVIDENCE-BASED CURRICULUMS TO KIDS WHERE WE'RE TEACHING THEM SKILLS TO MANAGE THEIR MENTAL HEALTH SYMPTOMS. WE HAVE A, MY CLINIC HAS A FAMILY PARTNER THAT, UH, WORKS WITH THE FAMILIES OF CHILDREN EXPERIENCING MENTAL ILLNESS.
AND SO THEY ARE SOMEONE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE RAISING THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
SO THEY KIND, THEY HAVE, UH, ROUTINE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES COULD INCLUDE FAMILY PARTNER APPOINTMENTS WHERE FAMILIES GET TO BE CONNECTED WITH THEIR, UM, SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S HAD LIVED EXPERIENCE.
WE ALSO HAVE MEDICATION MANAGEMENT.
SO THE KIDS IN MY CLINIC WOULD GET TO SEE PSYCHIATRISTS.
USUALLY THOSE APPOINTMENTS ARE QUARTERLY, THE CASE MANAGEMENT AND SKILLS COULD HAPPEN WEEKLY.
UM, I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING SOME.
BUT, UH, THAT'S, THOSE ARE BIG ONES.
MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER, ARE YOU WANTING TO SPECIFY THIS RFP FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES FOR CHILDREN? BECAUSE YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS GOING TO BE CHILDREN AND ADULTS OR CHILDREN ONLY.
UH, CHILDREN, I DON'T, I I THINK IT'S UNREALISTIC TO EXPECT US GOING FROM ZERO TO 60 OVERNIGHT IN, IN BEING ABLE TO, UH, TRY TO CREATE A SOLUTION FOR THE TOTALITY OF THE PROBLEM.
AND I JUST AM A FIRM BELIEVER, UH, IN INCREMENTAL GROWTH.
AND SO I THINK KNOWING THAT, UH, THE DATA SAYS THAT, THAT OUR KIDS ARE THE MOST AFFECTED BY THIS, THAT, UH, THAT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.
AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE AS OF RIGHT NOW IF I WOULD WANT TO TAKE IT ANY FURTHER THAN THAT.
AND LASTLY, FOR, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER, IF WE PUT OUT AN RFP LIKE THIS, WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE WOULD BE THE RESPONSE? I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT EXACTLY IS BEING ASKED.
LIKE, IT, IT'S PRETTY VAGUE WITH THE COUNTY AND PRIVATE PARTNERS.
LIKE, WOULD WE BE SUBSIDIZING A PROGRAM LIKE,
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UH, HILL, I'M, I'M SORRY, I CANNOT REMEMBER COUNTRY M HD.OR WOULD WE BE FUNDING A PROGRAM OF OUR OWN? I, I, I THINK, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WOULD BE A VERY BROAD-BASED SOLICITATION OUT IN THE MARKETPLACE TO SEE WHO COULD PROVIDE SERVICES LIKE THIS.
AND THEN FOR THEM TO PROVIDE US THEIR VISION OF HOW THEY WOULD DELIVER THOSE SERVICES.
AND ONCE WE HAD THOSE PROPOSALS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO PARTNERS IN THE AREA, INCLUDING THE COUNTY, UH, THE FUNDING THAT WE HAD APPROVED IN THE BUDGET, WHICH WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR TO, UH, TO LOOK AT A PROGRAM LIKE THIS AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY SOME GRANTS, UH, FUNDING FROM SOME OF THE AREA HOSPITALS.
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT WOULD THERE BE GRANTS AVAILABLE? I THINK THERE ARE, THE QUESTION THEY ALWAYS COME BACK, BACK TO US WITH, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? HOW WOULD YOU PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES IF WE DON'T YET KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO THAT? SO I THINK IT'S INTENTIONALLY BROAD AND YOU WOULD GO OUT TO THE, THE COMMUNITY, SEE WHAT KIND OF PROPOSALS THAT WE HAD, AND THEN FROM THOSE PROPOSALS, WE COULD GO BACK TO ALL THE VARIOUS PARTNERS AND SEE IF IT MADE SENSE.
AND MAYBE YOU COULD DO, MAYBE YOU COULDN'T DO ALL OF IT, ALL OF ONE PROPOSAL, BUT YOU COULD DO SOME, AND WE COULD LOOK AT HOW WE COULD PROVIDE SOME FUNDING FOR THAT TO, TO PERHAPS GET STARTED.
UM, WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO I THINK IT'LL BE A, A BIT OF A LEARNING EXPERIENCE AS WE PROBABLY GO THROUGH IT.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE VISION I, I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER AT LEAST THAT'S ONE WAY WE COULD DO IT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY HAS BEEN MEETING WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM ST.
DAVID'S AND, UH, ASCENSION SETON HAYES ABOUT ADDRESSING THE MENTAL HEALTH, UM, ISSUES THAT WE, WE HAVE PROVIDING THOSE RESOURCES.
SO IN, IN YOUR MIND, IS THIS A STEP TOWARDS FULFILLING? LIKE ARE WE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE OR IS THIS ALL, IS EVERYTHING MOVING TOWARDS THE SAME DIRECTION? IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THESE OTHER CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING WITH THE PROFESSIONAL FIELDS AND THE COUNTY? YEAH.
UH, WELL, THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH, UM, THOSE THIRD PARTIES ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THERE, THERE CAN BE MOVEMENT TOWARD A SOLUTION DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, UH, REALISTICALLY WITH JUST HOW, UM, PROJECTS COME ALONG.
AND SO IF WE WERE TO JUST AWAIT THREE TO FOUR YEARS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE WAY THAT I THINK ABOUT IT AND WHY THIS CAME UP TO BEGIN WITH IS WE WOULD BE SITTING HERE FOR THREE TO FOUR YEARS KNOWING WE HAVE THIS SERIOUS PROBLEM ON OUR HANDS WITH KIDS WHO NEED HELP.
AND WE'RE, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING IN THAT THAT TIME.
WELL, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S A VERY, VERY VALID POINT.
I, THIS IS TO ME IS A BRIDGE THAT WE'RE BUILDING TO THAT BIGGER, UM, MORE COMPREHENSIVE, MORE SUSTAINABLE AND LONG LASTING, UM, SOLUTION.
SO IS, SO TO THAT END, IS THIS, BECAUSE OBVI, IT'S SO BROAD, I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL IF THIS IS ABOUT STARTING A COMPLETE INVESTING OUR MONEY IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION, OR IF IT'S TRULY A BRIDGE IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROPOSALS FOR HOW TO START, UH, DEVELOPING A PROGRAM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY THAT CAN THEN ROLL INTO SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
OR IS THIS GOING TO BE, IS IT GONNA BE A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DEVOTED ALL THESE RESOURCES TO THE DOWN THIS PRO PATH? I, I LOOK AT THIS AS A YEAR BY YEAR OR A QUARTER BY QUARTER, YEAR BY YEAR THING UNTIL, UM, WITH, WITH THE HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, TO WORK WITH THE HOSPITALS AND THE COUNTY TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE IS FOR A LARGER FACILITY THAT WOULD BE RUN BY ONE OF THE HOSPITALS.
AND LIKE, AS BRIAN SAID, THIS IS INTENTIONALLY VAGUE.
LIKE I'M, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ALL THIS, RIGHT? I WENT OUT AND HAD CONVERSATIONS, BUT, UH, I, I MEAN, WHO AM I TO SAY, LIKE, WHAT THE DAY-TO-DAY EXECUTION OF WHAT THESE SERVICES COULD LOOK LIKE? I, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I'VE TALKED TO COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS, WHICH PROVIDES, UH, CONTRACTUAL, UH, BY CONTRACT SUPPORT FOR, UH, 10, HEY, CISD SCHOOLS, EIGHT OF WHICH I THINK ARE IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND JUST EVERYTHING THAT I'VE LEARNED FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS IS THAT THERE ARE, UM, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT GAP THAT COULD BE MET WITH IN THE, IN THE AREAS OF, UM, UH, THERAPY, PSYCHIATRY, ADDICTION SUPPORT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS HERE TO ME.
UM, BEHAVIORAL INTERVENTIONS, ACADEMIC ASSISTANCE, CAREER PREP, PREP AND COMMUNITY AND SERVICE LEARNING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS AS LIKE A WRAPAROUND PROGRAM FOR KIDS WHO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO USE ONE, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF A KID IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO RECEIVES A REFERRAL FOR, UM, FOR THERAPY
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PER SE, AND GOES TO SEE A, A THERAPIST THAT IS PROVIDED BY COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS, WHICH IS THAT A THIRD PARTY NONPROFIT PROGRAM THAT OPERATES FROM WITHIN THE SCHOOLS.SO THAT KID GOES TO THERAPY AND THEN IMMEDIATELY GOES HOME INTO POSSIBLY THE SAME DYSFUNCTIONAL SITUATION THAT CREATED THE TRAUMA THAT MICHELLE WAS TALKING ABOUT TO BEGIN WITH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA AND I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN CREATE PROGRAMMING, UH, ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY TO TRY TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR KIDS TO, UM, STAY OUTTA TROUBLE, I GUESS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY OF PUTTING IT.
AND THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO KNOWING THAT FENTANYL IS, IS, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ISSUE AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THE WHY'S BEHIND WHY IT'S AN ISSUE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
LIKE, TO ME, THESE THINGS ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE.
LIKE THIS IS JUST A BRIDGE PROGRAM TO WHAT I HOPE, UH, TO BE A LONGER TERM, UH, SOLUTION THAT WOULD BE RUN BY OUTSIDE, UH, CONTRIBUTORS LIKE A HOSPITAL.
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MAYOR, PROTO.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO YOU REAL QUICK, AND I THINK YOU ALREADY ADDRESSED IT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THIS COMES DOWN TO FUNDING, MAJORITY OF IT.
UH, BECAUSE MY QUESTION I'D HAD WAS LIKE, WHAT KIND OF ROADBLOCKS DO YOU NORMALLY SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS AND, UM, COMING FROM THE STATE, AND YOU ALREADY MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE PLAYS A BIG PART INTO THAT, RIGHT? UM, BUT ALSO, LET'S JUST SAY IF THERE WAS JUST A, A, A MAGIC WAND OUT THERE, WHAT KIND OF ASSISTANCE WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE WOULD, WOULD THIS A CITY OR A COUNTY OR A STATE FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST? THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
LET'S STARTING FROM THERE ON THAT SENSE.
LIKE, IF, IF THIS IS WHAT I WOULD, LIKE, IF I COULD GET ASSISTANCE OR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD THAT COULD REALLY HELP THESE CHILDREN OR THESE SITUATIONS, WHAT WOULD IT, WHAT WOULD BE LIKE MAYBE THE TOP THREE OR JUST, I KNOW THERE'S SO MUCH YEAH, THAT'S IT.
BUT JUST, BUT JUST FROM A CITY STANDPOINT OR WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN HE'S TRYING TO BRING FORTH.
AND I THINK ONCE WE GET THE STUDY GOING, IF WE APPROVE THIS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT IT.
ONCE WE GET A BREAKDOWN OF, OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, WE CAN BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S SOME PROGRAMS WE CAN OFFER.
IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE, WOULD THIS BE BENEFICIAL? YEAH.
UM, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE CHILD PSYCHIATRISTS.
THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF PROVIDERS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND SO PROVIDERS, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO INCENTIVIZE CHILD PROVIDERS TO COUNSELORS.
THERE'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, I HEAR SO MANY PARENTS SAYING, I'VE CALLED EVERYWHERE AND, YOU KNOW, NOWHERE HAS AVAILABILITY, OR THEY DON'T TAKE MY INSURANCE, OR I DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S SUCH A COMPLEX PROBLEM AND WITH COMPLEX SOLUTIONS THAT IT'S, IT'S TOUGH FOR ME TO NAME LIKE A TOP THREE, BUT DEFINITELY I, I SEE A MAJOR NEED FOR, UM, PROVIDERS.
THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH OF THEM.
OR IF THEY'RE THERE, MAYBE WE'RE NOT OFFERING THEM ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE IT ENTICING TO THEM.
UM, BUT ALSO I WOULD SAY LIKE FOR, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE AT THE CLINIC, YOU KNOW, LIKE CRISIS, HAVING CRISIS STAFF IS CRUCIAL IN THIS AREA.
I MEAN, OUR, WE SEE A LOT OF CRISIS CALLS, SO, BUT I, I THINK LIKE KIND OF THE BROADNESS OF, OF THIS RFP IS THAT IT COULD ENCOMPASS LIKE EARLY IDENTIFICATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IF WE CAN CATCH THESE THINGS EARLY, IF WE CAN CATCH SYMPTOMS EARLY, WE CAN PROVIDE CARE AND TREATMENT AND IMPROVE OUTCOMES FOR KIDS.
SO FOR ME, A DREAM PLAN WOULD INVOLVE SOME KIND OF LIKE, UM, PLAN FOR EARLY IDENTIFICATION, MAYBE INTEGRATING WITH PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS SO THAT THEY'RE BETTER EQUIPPED TO IDENTIFY KIDS.
UM, HE MENTIONED COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS.
I JUST THINK EVERYBODY'S DOING THINGS WELL IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING IT ALL KIND OF IN CONJUNCTION WITH ONE ANOTHER.
AND SO I THINK THE DREAM WOULD BE TO BRING A VILLAGE TOGETHER TO WORK TOGETHER AND SAY, WELL, I HAVE LIKE HILL COUNTRY, WE DO HAVE CHILD PSYCHIATRISTS, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
AND IT MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR KIDS, UM, COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PSYCHIATRIST, THEY DON'T REFER KIDS FOR THOSE, OR THEY DON'T PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO KIDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT DISCONNECT THERE.
THERE'S A DIS 'CAUSE THERE'S ALSO HIPAA LAWS THAT GOTTA BE IN PLACE.
SO DREAMWORLD, SO LIKE WORKING WITH THEM AND ALSO WORKING WITH, UH, THE OTHER CENTER LIKE SHAI AND
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SAN MARCUS.SO, SO SHAI IS THE CLINIC THAT I'M REFERRING TO WHEN I SAY OUR SAN MARCUS CLINIC.
'CAUSE MY CLINIC'S, THE KYLE AND CHIBE IS THE SAN MARCUS CLINIC UNDER HILL COUNTRY.
SO WE'RE ALL THE SAME AGENCY, JUST PE MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT CHEBE THAN ABOUT MY KYLE CLINIC WOULD SOMEDAY HAVING A FACILITY.
IS THAT ONE ALSO A KEY FACTOR IN IT, IS ACTUALLY HAVING A FACILITY DESIGNATED FOR MENTAL HEALTH, STARTING WITH ADOLESCENTS ALL THE WAY UP.
AND OF COURSE IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, FOR ADULTS, BUT AT A, AT AN AGE OF MAYBE STARTING AT AGE OF FIVE, YOU THINK? SO THE, I I THROWING IT OUT THERE, YOU HAVE REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS AND YOU BRING UP REALLY GOOD, UM, THINGS TO TOSS AROUND.
AND I THINK THAT THE MEADOWS INSTITUTE NEEDS ASSESSMENT MAKES SOME REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT FACILITIES AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE A, UM, ANYTHING THAT I WOULD SAY IS MY DREAM RIGHT HERE ON THE SPOT, BUT IF, BUT JUST KIND OF THROWING IT OUT THERE OUT.
UM, THEY HAVE SOME REALLY LIKE EXTENDED OBSERVATION UNITS, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE ON THE ADULT SIDE OF THINGS.
SO KIDS WHO HAVE BEEN IN A RECENT CRISIS CAN GO STAY THERE, TAKE A BREAK FROM THEIR FAMILIES IN THE TRIGGERS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE CRISIS.
AND SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT A BUILDING WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME GOOD STUFF, UM, FOR CHILDREN, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST THE MEADOWS REPORT REALLY BEAUTIFULLY.
OUTLINES SOME MORE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BUILDINGS, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
CONVERSATIONS OF, OF, OF A, OF A COUNTY FACILITY ONE DAY, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S LIKE COLLABORATING ON THAT AND JUST, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TOSSING THE BALL, THROWING IDEAS OUT THERE.
I'M ALL ABOUT THE OUTPATIENT SERVICES.
SO KEEPING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN THEIR HOMES, UM, CONNECTED WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THE, IT'S, ONCE YOU START TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING KIDS OUT OF THEIR HOMES POTENTIALLY.
AND THEN YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD, THE STAFFING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
UH, FOR ME IT'D BE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THIS HAS SOME KIND OF ASPECT OR TIE IN WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER.
UH, 'CAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO IN REAL TIME, EVEN BEFORE, UH, A STUDY IS SOMETHING.
MAYBE FINDING SOME WAY TO COLLABORATE BETWEEN OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND THE, UH, THE PRIVATE SIDE AS WELL.
UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING IN REAL TIME.
UH, THE OTHER THING WOULD BE IS, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN THIS, SO MAYBE FINDING A CITY THAT DOES AND GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM, SEEING WHAT THEIR MODEL WAS, WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY HELPFUL AND JUST GOING FROM THERE.
UH, I ALSO, UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY TO COUNCILMAN HEISER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UH, SOCIAL, SOCIAL ISSUE TO TALK ABOUT AND HOW IT DOES AFFECT A LOT OF, UH, OUR YOUNG KIDS WHO, UM, MAYBE HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME PROBLEMS, SOME BROKEN HOMES.
SO ANYWAY, IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN BE, UH, HELPFUL IN FINDING PARTNERS THAT ARE WILLING TO GIVE US THOSE RESOURCES.
I, I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES, WELL, I KNOW THAT UT AUSTIN HAS LIKE A, UH, SOCIAL WORK PROGRAM THAT'S LIKE THROUGH ZOOM.
SO THE SCHOOLS USE IT A LOT WHERE THEY PAIR YOU UP WITH A COACH OR A COUNSELOR.
AND AT, AND TEXAS STATE HAS A BIG SOCIAL, SOCIAL PRO SOCIAL PROGRAM.
SO, UM, MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY COULD PARTNER UP WITH THIS IN, IN THE PARTNERSHIP.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THAT THERE'S A NEED.
UM, IS HILL COUNTRY OFF OF 21? STILL IS, IS THAT THE HILL COUNTRY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE ARE BEHIND SETON HAYES OFF DAY LANE.
THE KYLE CLINIC IS, BUT, UM, THE SAN MARCUS CLINIC IS ON BISHOP STREET IN SAN MARCO.
SO I, I REMEMBER 10 YEARS BACK THERE WAS A HILL COUNTRY OFF OF 21, AND I THINK IT LOST ITS FUNDING.
AND THEN CALDWELL WAS SERVED BY BLUE BONNET TRAILS.
BUT THEN THEY HAD TROUBLE WITH GETTING, UH, RIDES TO PEOPLE, BUT THEY WOULD, THEY'D PUT THEM TO WORK.
SO THEY'D GIVE 'EM WORK, WORK AND, UH, AWAITED TO, UH, BE PRODUCTIVE.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I SEE THIS AS A, SOMEHOW LIKE A BIG BROTHER, BIG SISTER KIND OF PROGRAM WITH THE COACHING AND COUNSELING INVOLVED.
THANK YOU COUNCIL COUNCILMAN HEISER.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WELL WE CAN, WE CAN JUMPSTART THIS TO, TO, TO GET IT ON PEOPLE'S, UM, RADARS OR AT LEAST AT THE CITY LEVEL.
SO DO WE, ON THIS ITEM RIGHT HERE, DO WE MAKE A MOTION OR WE JUST DIRECT STAFF TO, HOW DO WE WANT TO WORD THIS FOR YOU? BEAR HEER TOO AS WELL.
I THINK IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION JUST TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO DO THE RFP,
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THEN I COULD START THAT PROCESS.BRING BACK THE PROPOSAL FOR ONE SECOND.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO START AN RFP REFERENCING THE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, POSSIBLY TO COOPERATE WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY OTHER, UH, PARTNERS.
MOTION BY MAYOR PROTI, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RFP AS REQUESTED.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[13. Public Hearing Concerning the Creation of a Reinvestment Zone Number Five, Pursuant to the Provisions of Chapter 311 of the Texas Tax Code. ~ Stephanie Leibe, Norton Rose Fulbright, City's Bond Counsel]
[14. Consideration and Approval of an Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Kyle, Texas, Designating a Contiguous Geographic Area within the Corporate Limits and Extraterritorial Jurisdiction of the City as a Reinvestment Zone Pursuant to Chapter 311 of the Texas Tax Code, to be known as Reinvestment Zone Number Five, City of Kyle; Describing the Boundaries of the Zone; Creating a Board of Directors for the Zone; Establishing a Tax Increment Fund for the Zone; Containing Findings Related to the Creation of the Zone; Providing a Date for the Termination of the Zone; Providing that the Zone Take Effect Immediately Upon Passage of the Ordinance; Providing a Severability Clause; and Providing an Effective Date. ~ Stephanie Leibe, Norton Rose Fulbright, City's Bond Counsel]
[15.
[Postponed 10/17/2023] (First Reading) An ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas annexing approximately 38.0493 acres of land located at 301 Bebee Road in Hays County, Texas including the abutting streets, roadways, and rights-of-way into the corporate limits of the City. (Caraway Cattle Company Family Partnership LLLP - ANNX-22-0019) ~ Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
- Public Hearing
Public Hearing was left open on 10/17/2023.
][16.
[Postponed 10/17/2023](First Reading) An ordinance amending Chapter 53 (Zoning) of the City of Kyle, Texas for the purpose of rezoning approximately 101 acres to Planned Unit Development (PUD, to include approximately 72 acres of Retail Services Zoning ‘RS’ and approximately 29 acres Multifamily Apartments 3 ‘R-3-3’ for property located at 301 Bebee Road in Hays County, Texas. (Caraway Cattle Company Family Partnership LLLP - Z-22-0110) ~ Will Atkinson, Director of Planning
Planning and Zoning Commission voted 6-0 to approve the request with conditions listed in the staff memo.
- Public Hearing
Public Hearing was left open on 10/17/2023.
]TO THE TOP PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE CREATION OF REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FIVE, PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER THREE 11 IN THE TEXAS TAX CODE.UH, MY NAME STEPHANIE LIEBE WITH NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT.
I JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR ATTENTION.
I THINK IF WE COULD READ 14 ITEMS, 13, 14, 15, AND, UH, 16 TOGETHER.
AND THEN ALL OF THESE ARE SOMEWHAT RELATED.
THEN WE COULD THEN ADDRESS EACH ITEM INDIVIDUALLY.
WELL, I WAS GONNA BRING THE OTHER ONES UP, BUT I THOUGHT THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE FIRST, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SEPARATE.
WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR ALL OF THE ITEMS, RIGHT? SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE.
WELL, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE ITEM AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER IF YOU WANNA DO THAT.
THAT'S JUST NOT NORMALLY HOW WE, I THINK IT BE BEST TO DO THE ITEM AND HAVE THE PRESENTATION DISCUSSION TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA BRING UP, PLEASE DON'T LET ME FORGET THAT WE DID NOT DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 14 THROUGH 16, UH, CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS, DESIGNATING A CON, UH, CONTIGUOUS GEOGRAPHIC AREA WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS AND EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY AS A REINVESTMENT ZONE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER THREE 11 OF TAX CODE, UH, KNOWN AS REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FIVE.
UM, UH, ITEM NUMBER 15, UH, WHICH ALSO HAS A PUBLIC HEARING, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 38.0493 ACRES OF LAND AT 3 0 1 BB ROAD.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 53 OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF REZONING, APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES, UH, TO, UH, PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE 72 ACRES OF RETAIL SERVICES AND 29 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY.
AND R THREE THREE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3 0 1 BB ROAD IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.
THIS ITEM ALSO HAS A PUBLIC, UH, HEARING.
DID WE DO 13? I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING 13 THROUGH.
SO WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE, UH, ON ALL THESE ITEMS, BUT NOW LET'S HAVE A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL SYSTEMATICALLY GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL VICTORIA VARGAS, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
FOR THE RECORD, I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION AND A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HOT PURSUIT PROJECT, IS WHAT IT'S KNOWN AS.
UH, IT'S ON THE CARAWAY TRACK.
SO THERE'S, UH, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE'S SEVERAL ITEMS RELATED TO THIS, UM, PROJECT.
THE FIRST ONE IS, IS JUST, UH, THE LOCATION.
I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION IT'S IN BETWEEN BB AND, AND THE FRONTAGE ROAD, WHERE THE NEW COLORS, UM, THE FUTURE COLORS CROSSING, UH, ROAD WILL MEET WITH THE FRONTAGE ROAD AS WELL.
AND THIS IS JUST A BRIEF TIME, UM, UM, AN OVERVIEW OF THE TIMELINE OF HOW THE PROJECT WILL COME TOGETHER, THIS MEETING AND NEXT MEETING.
SO FOR, FOR TODAY, WE ASK, WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE, CREATING THE TSS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, AND ALSO APPOINTING THE TSS BOARD.
THERE'S A ANNEXATION THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED, THE FIRST READING AND A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL DOCUMENTS THAT ALL WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS PROJECT HAPPEN.
UM, AND FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON DECEMBER 19TH, WE'LL, IF EVERYTHING MOVES FORWARD AS PLANNED, WE'LL HAVE AURS BOARD MEETING TO APPROVE THE FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE'LL BRING FORWARD THE ANNEXATION, SECOND READING, THE SECOND READING OF THE ZONING, THE CHAPTER THREE 80 AGREEMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HAYES COUNTY, AND APPROVE THE FINAL PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN.
SO I WENT TO HAYES COUNTY TODAY AND SPOKE TO THE JUDGE AND THE COMMISSIONERS, AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, UH, OF CREATING THE TOURS AND ALSO OF PARTICIPATING IN THE INCENTIVE FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, SO THEY WILL FOLLOW THE SAME TIMELINE AS WE HAVE LAID OUT HERE.
UM, AND I WENT THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS, UH, JUST SO YOU COULD KIND OF SEE HOW ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THE PROJECT HAPPEN.
IT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN THE PARTNERSHIP WITH HAYES
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COUNTY AND THE CITY OF KYLE, AND, UH, THE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES THAT WE'LL BE USING, THE, THE DIFFERENT, UM, FINANCING MECHANISMS THAT WE WILL USE TO MAKE THIS PROJECT, UH, COME TO LIFE.AND SO, WITH THE PARTICIPATION OF THE CITY AND HAYES COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS PICKING UP ABOUT 76% OF THE INCENTIVE WITH THE COUNTY PARTICIPATING IN 23%.
SO IT'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH HIM.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, IT'S WHAT WE ARE GIVING TO THE DEVELOPER, BUT THERE'S ALSO A HUGE NET BENEFIT, UH, TO THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
AND FOR THE CITY OVER THE TOURS IS FOR 20 YEARS, BUT OVER 30 YEARS, IT'S, UM, A NET BENEFIT OF 65 MILLION TO THE, UH, TO THE CITY AND 28 MILLION TO THE COUNTY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT.
UM, CONTINUING ON WITH THE NET BENEFITS FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE.
I I DIDN'T INTRODUCE THEM, BUT I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING $25 MILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO THIS PROJECT, OVER 800 FULL-TIME JOBS, AND, UH, 2.5 MILLION PLUS IN ANNUAL SALES TAX FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND ALSO $1 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS, UM, COMPLETELY A PERFORMANCE-BASED INCENTIVE AGREEMENT.
IF THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T PERFORM, THEN THEY DON'T GET THEIR, UH, INCENTIVES.
VICTORIA, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THOSE PERFORMANCE METRICS? YES, I WILL GET TO THEM.
UM, AND, UM, ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RETAIL LEAKAGE THAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN OUR COUNTY AND WITHIN OUR CITY.
61% OF OUR, UM, OF RETAIL VISITS LEAK OUTSIDE OF HAYES COUNTY.
SO THIS IS WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR, UM, OUR, AND IT WAS, IT WAS A, A BIG INCENTIVE FOR OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO PARTNER WITH US BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE SHOPPING AT SOUTH PARK MEADOWS, OR THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO TO NEW BRAUNFELS OR ALL THE WAY INTO, UM, THE CORE OF AUSTIN, UH, TO MEET SOME OF THEIR RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT NEEDS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HELP SOLVE.
AND THESE ARE JUST, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, RETAIL LEAKAGE THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
THESE ARE THE BENCHMARKS THAT WE, THAT I HAD SPOKE ABOUT.
UM, SO THE DEVELOPER, IT MUST, UM, PERMIT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF THE PROJECT WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE, WHICH WILL BE WHEN THE AGREEMENT IS SIGNED.
SO THAT'S THEIR FIRST BENCHMARK THAT THEY MUST MEET.
UM, ANY CHAPTER THREE 80 OR 3 81 SALES TAX REIMBURSEMENTS WOULD ONLY COMMENCE AFTER THAT MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET HAS BEEN BUILT SO THAT THEY COULD START RECEIVING THEIR REIMBURSEMENTS.
UH, THERE IS A CAP ON THE INCENTIVE, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THET IS FOR 20 YEARS, IF THEIR INCENTIVE CAP AND IS IN 14 YEARS, THEN THE INCENTIVE IS COMPLETE, AND THEN THE CITY WILL JUST CONTINUE TO GET ALL THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND BENCHMARK WILL BE THE 200,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, THAT THEY PERMIT WITHIN FOUR YEARS.
AND NO BOND SALES WILL BE ISSUED UNTIL THE DEVELOPER HAS BUILT THE 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WILL BE THE 300,000 SQUARE FEET AND THE URBAN DISTRICT, WHAT WE'RE CALLING, UM, THE URBAN DISTRICT.
THERE'S SOME PHOTOS I CAN SHOW YOU, UM, SHORTLY.
SO THE WHOLE PROJECT, AND IF THE URBAN DISTRICT IS NOT BUILT WITHIN NINE YEARS, THEN UM, THE REBATES WILL BE SUSPENDED.
HERE'S QUICKLY, I THINK WE SHOWED THIS LAST TIME.
UH, THIS IS THE OVERVIEW OF THE, UH, ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT IN THE CENTER IS THAT URBAN DISTRICT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, THE VIBE IS AN IMPORTANT, UM, COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
AND YOU WILL SEE PARTS OF THE VIBE IN ANOTHER MAP.
THIS IS JUST QUICKLY GOING THROUGH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, BUT THIS IS, UM, A CENTER VIEW OF THE, OF THE URBAN CORE.
HERE WE HAVE SOME MORE OUTLINES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT AS WELL.
UM, TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'LL BE BILLED BY TRANSWESTERN.
AND HERE'S, UM, SOME OF THE RENDERINGS.
AND I BELIEVE I'M NOW GETTING INTO THE, UH, ANNEXATION PORTION, SO THAT I'LL LET, WILL TAKE OVER ON THAT ASPECT.
THANK YOU WILL ATKINSON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE RECORD.
UM, AS STATED IN SUMMARY, UM, THE SECOND ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS THE AREA TO BE ANNEXED, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT'S APPRO A LITTLE OVER 38 ACRES.
UH, THE AREA IN BLUE IS ALREADY ANNEXED AND IT'S ZONED AG.
UM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMPONENTS BUILT INTO IT FROM A, BOTH A ZONING AND A, UH, PUT AND TOURISM AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, FOLLOWING ANNEXATION, THERE WILL BE ZONING.
UH, RIGHT HERE IS THE IMAGE OF THE PROPOSED TWO BASE ZONING
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DISTRICTS THAT'LL BE FURTHER MODIFIED IN THE ZONING WITHIN ITSELF.SO APPROXIMATELY 72 ACRES OF RETAIL AND 29 ACRES OF R THROUGH THREE.
THESE ARE APPROXIMATE NUMBERS.
UH, RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE LAND PLAN, UH, WE HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE VERTICAL MIXED USE IN THE URBAN DISTRICT, AND THEN THE RETAIL FOR THE REST OF IT.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS AN INCLUSIVE OF THE VMU.
WE WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 450,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AT BUILDOUT.
AND THE MULTIFAMILY WILL CONSIST OF A MAXIMUM OF 426 UNITS OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOMS FOR THE APARTMENTS.
UH, FROM A CIRCULATION PLAN, AS YOU SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE MAP, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, WILL BE DEEDING OVER RIGHT OF WAY TO US, I THINK, TO, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE APPROXIMATE VALUE OF FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BETWEEN CARS CROSSING AND BB ROAD FOR THE ROAD BONDS.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION OF, IN THE YELLOW DASH LINE OF THE VIBE TRAIL INTERNALLY, THERE'S ALSO A VIBE TRAIL SPUR THAT RUNS, UH, BETWEEN THE FRONT ROW OF THE, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND THE BIG BOX STORES.
AND IN TURN, ADDITIONAL INTERNAL CIRCULATION PATHS FOR, UM, STANDARD SIDEWALKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
MAKING SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE SITE FROM A RES, UH, A, UH, BOTH A GOLF CART AND A PEDESTRIAN PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN HERE ARE SOME RETAIL ELEVATIONS.
THESE WILL PRIMARILY BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE FOLLOW-UP DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON THE 19TH.
UM, BUT SOME STANDARD EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT FROM THE BIG BOX AT THE TOP.
UH, SOME MORE NUANCED AND, UH, UM, OTHER TYPES OF, UM, ELEVATIONS FOR BOTH THE, UH, AREA ALONG BETWEEN THE, THE FRONT AND SECOND LEVEL AND ALSO THE URBAN DISTRICT.
UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE, UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPER TO WORK ON IS, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY STAFF, BUT IF WE CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THOSE ELEVATIONS, THEN IT'LL HAVE AN APPELLATE BODY WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND ULTIMATELY COUNSEL IF AS A SECOND TIER OF APPELLATE.
OKAY, HERE ARE SOME, UH, ELEVATIONS OF BOTH THE VERTICAL MIXED USE AND THE MULTIFAMILY.
IT WILL BE ONE PROJECT BY TRANSWESTERN.
THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER IS, UH, THE VERTICAL MIXED USE THAT'S ON THE URBAN DISTRICT, UH, IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER ON THE MAP.
AND THEN, UM, THE TOP CENTRAL IMAGE IS AT THE VERY END OF THE URBAN DISTRICT AS YOU'RE LOOKING INTO IT, IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE IMAGES ARE, UH, DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE COUPLE OTHER BUILDINGS THEY HAVE ON SITE.
SOME KEY VARIANCES TO THE CODE.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A RETAIL HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM UP TO 65 FEET BY RIGHT FROM 45 FEET IN ITS CURRENT FASHION.
A HOTEL HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM 45 FEET UP TO 90 FEET.
A MULTIFAMILY HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM 45 FEET TO 65 FEET.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT PARKING RATIOS ON THE MULTIFAMILY FOR A MAXIMUM OF ONE AND A HALF SPACES PER UNIT, PLUS 5% FOR GUEST PARKING.
ON THE, ON THOSE PARKING RATIOS, MOST OF THE UNITS IN THE MULTIFAMILY WILL BE ONE OR TWO BEDROOMS, SO IT LARGELY PLAYS OUT FROM AN AVERAGING STANDPOINT.
RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE MASTER SIGN PLAN, UH, SHOWN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, PILE ON SIGNS, UM, AND MONUMENT SIGNS THAT YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
AND WE'RE ALSO WANTING TO INCLUDE, UM, UH, ROOF MOUNTAIN SIGNS FROM IN THE, PRIMARILY IN THE URBAN DISTRICT IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE THEM.
BUT WE DO BELIEVE THOSE HAVE A, AN AESTHETIC FEEL TO THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS AGREEABLE TO, TO INCORPORATING INTO THIS.
AND WE THINK IT'LL PROVIDE A GOOD PRODUCT FOR THE, FOR THIS PROJECT.
OVERALL FROM THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE RETAIL, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LAST WEEK VOTED SIX ZERO TO RECOMMEND COMPLETE REMOVAL OF THE GAS STATION AND CAR WASHES FROM THE DRAFT POD ORDINANCE.
THERE'S ALSO OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS ON THE PROHIBITED USES WHERE THERE'S A TEMPORARY LIMIT ON OF 10 YEARS ON SOME OF THESE OTHER USES AS WELL.
UM, THAT THE RESULT OF THIS WAS, UH, NEGOTIATED BETWEEN STAFF AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.
AND HERE ARE THE THREE ITEMS I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED.
ONE OF THEM, WHICH WAS THE, UH, FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACTION, RECOMMENDING THE ALLOWED USES OF GAS STATION AND CAR WASH FROM A FULL REMOVAL OF EXHIBIT A.
UH, THEY WANTED TO CLARIFY SECTION 50 DASH ONE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS SECTION ONLY APPLIES TO THE EXISTING OVERHEAD ELECTRICAL, UH, ALONG I 35.
AND THIS SAID, SERVICE MAY REMAIN ABOVE GROUND PER THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
AND IN EXHIBIT C CHART TWO DASH RS TO INGEST THE IMPERVIOUS COVER MAXIMUM TO A PER LOT BASIS FROM THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING APPROVALS, UM, ANNEXATION PUD, UM, BASED ON, UH, THE PLANNING AND
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ZONING COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN ALSO THE CREATION OF THE TOURS AND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN.AND THEN THE LAST IMAGE IS ONE OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US.
UH, THIS ITEM DOES HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, ACTUALLY THREE ALL IN TOTAL.
SO I THINK BEFORE WE PROVIDE OUR COMMENTARY, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THOSE UP UNLESS THERE ARE AN OBJECTION.
SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO, WELL, I CAN'T DO 13 YET BECAUSE I HAVEN'T OPENED IT, BUT I'LL DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON 15 AND 16.
SO, UH, REGARDING ANNEXATION, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA, UH, FOR ITEM 15, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THE ANNEXATION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
NEXT IS A PUBLIC HEARING OF, UH, THE ZONING AND PUD, UH, ORDINANCE.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THE ZONING ARE REGARDING THE PUD? YES, SIR, ITSELF, UH, JUST TO REITERATE THAT, UH, THAT IT STIPULATED THAT THERE, IF THERE ARE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE PUD, THE PUD, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE, PREVAILS IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICT ABOUT ANY KIND OF LAND USAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH SEEMS TO ME TO BE KIND OF RADICAL NOW, AND I WOULD UNDERSTAND MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF LAW IS THAT THE ORDINANCE OF PUD WOULD PREVAIL BECAUSE IT'S A LAW OVER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A CONTRACT.
BUT ANY CASE, IT, THERE'S NO STATEMENT IN THERE ABOUT A MEDIATION MECHANISM AROUND ANY CONFLICTS ABOUT LAND USE AND SO FORTH AND SITE PREPS AND ALL THAT.
AND SO THAT IS OF CONCERN TO ME BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, AS WE'VE WE'RE MOVING ON HERE, IT'S OUT OF P AND Z COMMISSIONS HANDS.
THAT'S THE LAST WE'VE SEEN OF THIS FOR THE MOST PART.
BUT MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE BEYOND THE CITY COUNCIL PAST A CERTAIN POINT THAT THE PUD HAS THE GOVERNANCE OVER THAT PARCEL OF LAND AND ITS USE, AND THE COUNCIL P AND Z, NONE OF THE CITY AUTHORITIES ELECTED OR APPOINTED HAVE ANY ABILITY TO HAVE A SAY SO ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S, UH, ONE CONCERN AND PERHAPS THE CITY ATTORNEY OR OTHERS COULD ILLUMINATE TO ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE I, I'M NOT CORRECT ON THIS OR UNINFORMED, BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY A CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE BECAUSE CONFLICTS HAPPEN AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE, UH, SOMETHING, UH, LIKE THAT IN THE PUD THAT, UH, NICKS IS YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH I KNOW YOU PUT A LOT OF TIME AS STAFF AND COUNSEL INTO.
SO JUST, UH, MY CONCERN OR THOUGHTS ON THAT PARTICULAR MATTER.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MS. SZ, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT MAYOR COUNSEL PAGE? SIGNED CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD.
THE, UH, THE PUD ZONING WILL GOVERN THE LAND USES, AND, UH, IF THERE IS A DISPUTE OVER WHETHER THE PUD IS BEING PROPERLY ADMINISTERED, THERE'S A PROCESS IN YOUR ORDINANCES WHERE THE FINDING OF THE STAFF CAN BE APPEALED EITHER UP TO THE COUNCIL OR TO A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DISPUTE IS AT ISSUE.
AND SO THE, THE ORDINANCES IN PLACE WOULD'VE, WOULD ADDRESS CONFLICTS.
SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROCESS YOU'RE OUTLINING AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THEIR, UH, IF THERE'S A DISPUTE BETWEEN STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER ON SOMETHING REGARDING THE SITE PLAN, IT CAN BE APPEALED TO P AND Z AND THEN TO CITY COUNCIL.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS? I YOU HAVE A WHOLE SET OF ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS DISPUTES AND HOW THOSE ARE REVISED WHEN IT COMES TO PERMITS AND SITE PLAN APPROVALS.
AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THOSE PROCESSES STAND THERE.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY CHANGES THAT COME OUT OF A ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WITH THE PUD TO YOUR FUNDAMENTAL DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES IN YOUR ORDINANCES.
SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DON'T TAKE THE PLANNING AND ZONING'S RECOMMENDATION, OR THAT WE DO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROCESS YOU'VE OUTLINED IS ALSO AVAILABLE TO US? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION IS ABOUT DISPUTE RESOLUTION.
I WOULD NEED SOME INPUT ON THAT FROM MR. ATKINSON.
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GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? OH, THE RECOMMENDATION SLIDE.SO, AT THE WILL ATKINSON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR THE RECORD, UM, AT THE NOVEMBER 29TH MEETING, UM, ACTUALLY THE NOVEMBER 28TH MEETING, UH, PLANNING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROVIDED THESE THREE BULLET POINTS FOR THEIR RECOMMENDED APPROVALS, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE ACTION TAKEN.
SO THE, THE ITEM THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SIEGEL BROUGHT UP IN PUBLIC HEARING WAS NOT PART OF THESE THREE ITEMS FROM A DISPUTE RESOLUTION STANDPOINT.
UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BASED ON WHAT HE'S SAYING, IT'S MORE OF A, A CONCERN THAT HE HAS, BUT FROM THE ACTION TAKEN, THAT WAS NOT PART OF IT.
SO WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE FULL ORDINANCES IN FRONT OF US, DEPENDING ON WHAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT IS, WE MAY POTENTIALLY HAVE A DISPUTE AT, DEPENDING ON WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS.
WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM VERSUS PERMITS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, OUR ORDINANCES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THAT ASPECT WILL DICTATE IS WHAT, UH, PAIGE IS SAYING.
SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A DISPUTE BETWEEN A SETBACK BASED ON WHAT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE ORDINANCE IS VERSUS WHAT STAFF IS, THEN IF WE CAN'T RECONCILE THAT FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT BASED ON WHAT THE PUD SAYS, THEN WE WILL TAKE THAT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
ULTIMATELY, UM, IF IT'S, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, HOW WE'VE DRAFTED IT IN THERE, IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL BY STAFF FROM A REVIEW STANDPOINT LIKE THE ELEVATIONS AND HOW PRETTY THE BUILDINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK.
IF WE CAN'T COME TO A RESOLUTION AT AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, THEN WE WILL BRING IT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS AN APPELLATE BODY.
AND IF THEY CAN'T AGREE ON A DECISION, THEN IT'LL COME TO Y'ALL FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS TWO EXAMPLES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTARY ON THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC WITH REGARDS TO APPEAL AND THE PROCESS? OKAY.
WE, UM, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION AND SO THERE'S CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF OUR COMMENTARY THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE RESERVED UNTIL IT'S TIME TO MAKE THE FINAL VOTE.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE VOTE WE'RE TAKING TONIGHT IS ESSENTIALLY A FIRST READING TYPE OF VOTE AND THE MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS ARE COMING BACK ON THE 19TH.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO NO ACTION THAT WE'RE TAKING NOW IS FINAL, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARING TO TAKE FINAL ACTION ON THE 19TH IF WE, IF WE MOVE IT OUT OF THIS PHASE? YES, SIR.
WELL, I, THERE WE, WE HAD A, HAVE HAD, AS HAS BEEN NOTED, MANY, MANY LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS WITH REGARDS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
MOST OF THOSE, BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACT NATURE AND THE OF THE NEGOTIATION ARE PERFORMED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR, UH, NEGOTIATING POSITION.
SO, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO INCORPORATE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE, UH, PROVIDED, UH, UH, EACH OTHER AND STAFF IN EXECUTIVE SESSION SECOND.
WELL, I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION NOW.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH ME MAKING THAT MOTION.
THAT TO ADD THE, YEAH, I'M GONNA READ IT OUT.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE, ADMITTING CHAPTER 53 FOR THE PURPOSE OF REZONING, APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES TO PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND DIRECT STAFF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING BACK THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE PUD AND RELATED AGREEMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.
NUMBER ONE, THE UTILITY LINES ALONG I 35 SHALL BE BURIED AT DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE.
NUMBER TWO, AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE 10 YEAR PERIOD FOR THE RESTRICTED USES LISTED IN THE PUD, THE PROJECT MUST COMPLY WITH THE LAND USE RESTRICTIONS IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
NUMBER THREE, IMPACT FEES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE GRANDFATHERED.
AND NUMBER FOUR, 10% OF THE RETAIL SPACE LOCATED IN THE URBAN PARK DISTRICT MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED.
SECOND MAYOR, MAYOR MOTION BY THE MAYOR.
BEFORE YOU GO, RIZZO, IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? MS. SIGNS, DID YOU VOTE ON THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE YET? NO, I'M JUST READING YOUR, YOUR MOTION.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT ANNEXATION IT'S UP SO I CAN AMEND MY MOTION TO ALSO APPROVE THAT.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I WOULD LIKE ACTION ON THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE FIRST.
CAN I INCORPORATE THAT? SINCE BOTH ITEMS ARE BEFORE US, CAN I INCORPORATE THE APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE INTO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE? I'D PREFER YOU HAVE THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE SEPARATE.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA WITHDRAW THAT MOTION.
IS THAT AMENABLE TO THE SECOND? ALRIGHT.
FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS MAKE A PRO A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 15, ANNEXING 38.0493 ACRES OF LAND AT 3 0 1 BB ROAD.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER, UH, THAT WE APPROVE THE ANNEXATION.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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STEP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER.SO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE UP 14 AND 16 TOGETHER NOW OR JUST VOTE ON 16? NEXT, JUST VOTE ON 16.
UH, REGARDING NUMBER 16, WHICH IS STILL BEFORE US, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 53 FOR THE PURPOSE OF REZONING, APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES OF TO PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND DIRECT STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING BACK THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE PUD AND RELATED AGREEMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.
ONE UTILITY LINES ALONG I 35 SHALL BE BURIED AT DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE.
TWO, AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE 10 YEAR PERIOD FOR THE RESTRICTED USES, UH, LISTED IN THE PUD, THE PROJECT MUST COMPLY WITH THE LAND USE RESTRICTIONS IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
THREE, IMPACT FEES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE GRANDFATHERED.
AND FOUR, 10% OF THE RETAIL SPACE LOCATED IN THE URBAN PARK DISTRICT MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO THAT WE APPROVE, UH, AGENDA ADAM 16, UH, WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS SINCE THEIR DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION.
NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 BECAUSE 14 IS THE TS.
IF YOU CAN NOTE THAT YOU'RE OBJECTING TO THAT BEING FINALLY PASSED ON.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE THAT WE'RE OBJECTING TO THAT BEING FILED PASSED.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE CREATION OF REINVESTMENT ZONE FIVE.
UH, PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER THREE 11 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, THIS ITEM IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NONE IS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO ISSUES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK REGARDING THE CREATION OF THE TURS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
UH, NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM 14, WHICH IS STILL TECHNICALLY ON THE TABLE.
CONSIDERATION, APPROVAL AND ORDINANCE CREATING, UH, THE CONTIGUOUS GEOGRAPHIC AREA FOR REINVESTMENT ZONE.
UH, NUMBER FIVE IS, UM, MS. LE, YOU'VE GOT A PRESENTATION ON THIS.
WELL, WE TOOK 'EM ALL UP AND THEN WE DIDN'T
IT'S ALL GOOD THOUGH, SO I'M JUST, WHOOPS.
I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK TO ONE OF WILL'S PRIOR SLIDES 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'LL BE MOST APPLICABLE FOR OUR DISCUSSION.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A, UH, ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER CREATION OF A TAX AND COMMIT REINVESTMENT ZONE TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, INCLUDED WITH THAT ORDINANCE IS ALSO A PRELIMINARY PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN.
THIS FINANCE PLAN WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL OF DECEMBER 19TH FOR FINAL APPROVAL AFTER IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE TOURIST BOARD.
THIS ORDINANCE ALSO CREATES THE TOUR AND APPOINTS THE INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE TOURIST BOARD.
UH, EACH MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL IS A MEMBER OF THE TOURIST BOARD.
AND THEN SINCE WE HAVE COUNTY PARTICIPATION IN THIS TOURIST, HAYES COUNTY WILL ALSO HAVE TWO PARTICIPANTS, UH, THAT WILL BE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT.
WITHIN THE TOUR ITSELF, IT'S CONTEMPLATED THAT THERE'S GONNA BE 50% A VALOREM TAX CONTRIBUTION BY BOTH THE CITY AND COUNTY.
UM, AND ALSO 50% SALES TAX, UH, BY THE CITY.
THE COUNTY IS ALSO CONTRIBUTING 50% OF THEIR SAAS TAX TO THE PROJECT, BUT THAT IS GONNA FLOW THROUGH, UM, A CHAPTER 3 81 AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPER DIRECTLY BECAUSE CHAPTER THREE 11 OF THE TAX CODE DOESN'T ALLOW THE COUNTY SALES TAX REVENUES TO FLOW THROUGH THE TOURISTS.
UM, WITH THE SLIDE THAT I BROUGHT UP, YOU SEE, UH, SORRY, THAT'S THE, THE, THE SUMMARY OF AMOUNTS THAT'LL BE PAYABLE THROUGH THE TOURIST FINANCING.
UM, BOTH THE RIGHT OF WAY LAND ACQUISITION AND DRAINAGE DORM IMPROVEMENTS THAT'LL BE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS PROJECT WILL BE CONTRIBUTED FROM FUNDS OTHER THAN THE INSURE.
SO FOR A TOURISM INCENTIVES, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THREE A, UH, COS AND THEN THE 3 83 81 CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THESE FINANCING.
SO, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR IS HERE, AND THEN JOHN SNYDER WITH P THREE WORKS, WHO'S DRAFTED THE, UH, SERVICE AND OR THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN IS AVAILABLE AS WELL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTARY OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS
IT'S DETER P RIGHT? IT IS A, UH, NO, NO.
P IT'S IS DE CHARGE, RIGHT? YES.
SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, THE CITY OF KYLE INCENTIVE WILL COME UP TWO 31,373,780, CORRECT? CORRECT.
OUT OF THAT INCENTIVE, WHAT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ARE WE, ARE WE USING, WHERE ARE WE USING THAT? $8.5 MILLION.
SO THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS PRIMARILY RELATED TO WATER SEWER IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE PROJECT ITSELF.
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LIMITED AMOUNT OF STREETS OR ROADWAY ACCESS, GETTING TO AND FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, COMPONENT PARTS OF THE VIBE TRAIL, AND THEN SOME LANDSCAPING BEAUTIFICATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARK.UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC UTILITIES AS WELL IS A COMPONENT OF THAT.
SO WHAT UTILITIES, WHAT UTILITIES ARE WE UNDERGROUNDING? UH, ELECTRIC UTILITIES.
SOME OF THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE CITY PART.
IT WOULDN'T BE THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE TO DO THAT, THAT'D BE PART OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HERE.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE ROADS THAT WILL BE CREATED FOR THIS HERS.
UM, AND SO I WONDER IF THE, WHO COULD EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT ARE GONNA BE THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ROADS OR WHAT ROADS WILL BE CREATED WHEN WE DO THIS DEVELOPMENT? UM, WHAT, WHAT NEW ROADS WOULD BE C CREATED? MM-HMM.
UH, SO, UH, KOHLERS WOULD BE, UH, BUILT WOULD BE A, A NEW ROADWAY THAT'D BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'D BE, UH, CREATED THROUGH THIS, THIS AGREEMENT.
WE'D ALSO HAVE AN EXPANSION OF BB AND THERE WOULD BE SOME INTERNAL ROADWAYS WITHIN THE PROJECT.
AND THE VIBE TRAIL, I THINK IS, UH, STEPHANIE WAS TRYING TO, TO ARTICULATE, IS THAT THE QUESTION? I WANNA MAKE SURE I, UH, ANSWER WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE DEVELOPER.
IS THE DEVELOPER DOING ANY, UM, ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY OF KYLE? WHAT ARE THEY GIVING TO THE CITY OF KYLE? WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE THEY PROVIDING TO US THAT ARE NOT BEING PAID THROUGH THE $31 MILLION? IT'S ALL ONSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING ON THAT SITE, UH, TO ER AND THE UTILITIES AND THE ACCESS POINTS.
THEY'RE ALL SERVING THAT SITE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED.
SO BESIDES THAT, ARE THEY DOING ANYTHING ELSE? ARE YOU GUYS PROVIDING ANY OTHER BENEFIT? THEY'RE, THERE ARE NO OTHER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA GO INTO THE SITE OTHER THAN WHAT'LL BE FUNDED THROUGH THE TOUR.
ANY OTHER DEVELOPER FUNDS THAT'LL COME INTO THE PROJECT IS EITHER BY WAY OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT OR THERE ARE CERTAIN PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY GAVE US A LIST OF ALL THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT AND WE WENT THROUGH THOSE COSTS AND DETERMINED, WHICH COULD BE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, THAT COULD BE CITY FUNDED.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE LINE ITEM FOR PUBLIC, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE COSS THAT COULD BE CITY FINANCED.
ANY OTHER COSTS RELATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PUT, THEY'RE PUTTING IN, ARE BEING FUNDED THROUGH THE 3 83 81 AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
AND SO ANOTHER QUESTION IS, I SEE THAT THE CASH INFLOW IS GOING TO BE AROUND $65 MILLION AND THAT WILL BE LIKE UP TO THAT AMOUNT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE GET UNTIL 2053.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, WHERE DID I SEE THAT? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE, STEPHANIE.
SO IS THAT THE ESTIMATED CASH INFLOW THAT WILL COME DIRECTLY TO OUR GENERAL FUND, OR IS THAT IN TOTAL AND THEN FROM THAT IS THAT THAT NO, THIS SHOULD BE THE NET BENEFIT.
SO THIS SHOULD BE MONEY TO CITY OF KYLE AFTER THOSE, THE 31 PRIOR AMOUNTS ARE PAID.
SO, UH, JUST TO GET BACK TO THE NUMBER, UM, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THEM BEFORE.
WE'RE COLLECTING 2 MILLION IN SALES TAX AND 1 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX OUT OF THIS TURS OUT EVERY YEAR.
I THINK THOSE ARE CURRENT PROJECTIONS OBJECTIONS.
SO WOULD IT THEN BE ACCURATE THAT IF WE RECOUPED ALL OF THAT IN 10 YEARS, THE THE THE INCENTIVE WOULD BE REPAID? YES.
SO THEN THUS COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY SAID THE 65 MILLION, IS THAT AT THE END OF THE 30 YEAR TOURS? WHAT THE NET BENEFIT PART? YES.
SUBTRACTED THE 30, I GUESS THE 30 INITIAL.
SO I THINK MAYBE A WAY TO THINK OF IT, BETWEEN NOW AND 2053, IT'S PROJECTED THAT THE TOURISTS WOULD GENERATE $96 MILLION OF REVENUES.
61 WOULD GO TO THE CITY, 35 WOULD GO TO THE DEVELOPER.
BUT, UH, PROBABLY INEXACT MATH BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MONEY FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, LAND ACQUISITION AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT GONNA FLOW THROUGH THE TUR.
SO THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE BACKED OUT.
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ABOUT 16% IN SALES TAX A YEAR.IS THAT KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WE GET OR? UH, NO, WE GET ONE POINT A HALF PERCENT OF ANY SALES.
SO, SO OUR SALES TAX FOR THE CITY OF CHI, ISN'T IT 16 MILLION THAT WE'RE GETTING? OH, THE TOTAL, YEAH.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE THREE, 3 MILLION.
PRETTY GOOD NUMBER TO, TO THE TOTAL.
I JUST, BIG PROJECT, I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'D BE ENOUGH SALES TAX COLLECTED.
AND, AND, AND JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, JUST TO ADD TO IT, IS THAT WE'RE GETTING TWO MAJOR ROADS, NEEDED ROADS THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
THE FIRST ONE IS BB, UH, THE STRAIGHTENING OF BB ROAD.
THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA BE THE NEW COLORS CROSSING, WHICH DEFINITELY GONNA HELP ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONNECTIVITY FROM NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST.
THIS IS GONNA BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT.
I THINK, UH, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING TWO ROADWAYS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STRAIGHTENING OUT A ROADWAY AND YOU'RE PUTTING A MAJOR ROADWAY TO THIS PROPERTY IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY, WHILE THE PROJECT IS HUGE, IT'S THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING IS WITH OUR ROADWAYS IS HUGE AS WELL.
SO, UH, IT, IT, I I SEE IT AS SOMETHING REALLY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE.
ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 14, CREATING, UH, WHAT WILL BE KNOWN ASTS FIVE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR HEISER, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 14.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT? MOTION? ALL'S IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MAYOR, IF, IF I COULD, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH THE CITY SECRETARY, THERE'S A LOT OF MOTIONS, A LOT OF ITEMS. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE OPENED AND CLOSED ALL THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I MISS THOSE KIND OF THINGS ALL THE TIME.
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(First Reading) An ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas, amending Chapter 53 (Zoning) of the City of Kyle, Texas code of ordinances, rezoning approximately 32 acres of land from ‘RS’ (Retail Services), approximately 67 acres of land from ‘R-3-3’ (Multifamily Apartments 3) and 56 acres of land from ‘W’ (Warehouse) to ‘PUD’ (Planned Unit Development for property located at 3040 Kyle Crossing in Hays County, Texas. (Sheldon-Tanglewood, Ltd - Z-23-0123) ~ Jason Lutz, Senior Planner
The Planning and Zoning Commission voted 6-0 to approve the request with staff recommended changes.
- Public Hearing
THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS, AMENDING CHAPTER 53 OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS.
CODE OF ORDINANCES REZONING APPROXIMATELY 32 ACRES OF LAND FROM RETAIL SERVICES, APPROXIMATELY 67 ACRES OF LAND FROM R THREE THREE AND 56 ACRES FROM, UH, W UH, WAREHOUSE TO PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED FOR PROP AT PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 30 40.
KYLE CROSSING IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS P AND Z VOTED SIX TO ZERO TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
AND AS I SAID, THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, JASON LUT, SENIOR PLANNER FOR THE RECORD.
SO, UH, QUICK SUMMARY OF THIS PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PLAN UNIT, DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THIS P'S GONNA ESTABLISH, UH, SEVERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO GOVERN THE PROJECT.
IT'LL ALSO INCORPORATE SOME VARIANCES TO OUR EXISTING ZONING CODE.
UH, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO ESTABLISH REGULATIONS FOR TWO DISTINCT DISTRICTS OVER THIS PROJECT, UM, THE HOSPITAL TRACKED AND THE LAKE PARK TRACK.
SO I'LL TRY, UH, NOT TO CONFUSE YOU, UH, AS I GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EXPLAINING WHICH ONES WHICH, UH, THE FLOOD IS ALSO GONNA PROVIDE A SECONDARY SET, UH, OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE HOSPITAL TRACT ITSELF, SHOULD A HOSPITAL NOT BE DEVELOPED.
SO I'LL KIND OF TACKLE THAT ON A THIRD SECTION OF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.
UH, BOTH TRACKS ARE EACH GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
THOSE WILL BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 19TH THAT WILL FURTHER REGULATE THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, SORRY, I, I KNOW I'M TALKING FAST, SO IF YOU NEED ME TO SLOW DOWN, JUST, UH, PLEASE INTERRUPT.
UH, SO HERE'S KIND OF THE PROJECT TIMELINE.
TONIGHT WE'RE AT THE FIRST READING OF OUR ORDINANCE, UH, ESTABLISHING THE PUD.
WE'LL HAVE THE SECOND READING ON THE 19TH, AS WELL AS THE CONSIDERATION OF BOTH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR THE HOSPITAL TRACK AND THE LAKE PARK TRACK.
UM, SO HERE IS THE PROJECT LOCATION.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS JUST NORTH OF THE HEB SIDE, UH, WITH, UH, UH, CONNECTIONS ON 1626 AND KYLE CROSSING.
THIS IS THE PROJECT CONCEPT PLAN AGAIN, UH, THE TOP, UH, PORTION OF THE IMAGE IS WHAT'S BEING CALLED THE HOSPITAL TRACT.
AND THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS WHAT'S BEING CALLED THE LAKE PARK TRACT.
UM, SO AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THE PUDGE RELATED TO TWO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
THOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT PART OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, KIND OF WANTED TO DISCUSS HOW THEY'RE INCORPORATED INTO THE P.
UM, THEY WILL REMOVE THOSE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS OF WAREHOUSE AND MULTIFAMILY.
UM, IT'S ALSO GONNA PROHIBIT THE TYPICAL GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS.
UM, IT WILL ESTABLISH THOSE WILL ESTABLISH ADDITIONAL LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENTS TO SERVE THE PROPERTY.
NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING THOSE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT DOES ALLOW CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL GREEN
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SPACE, WHICH PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY ON, ON THE EXACT LOCATION.UH, AND THEN IT'S, THE BIG ONES FOR US ARE DONATION OF LAND FOR THE MARKETPLACE EXTENSION, ADDITIONAL LAND FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE CITY'S WATER FACILITIES AND ADDITIONAL LANDS FOR PUBLIC PARKS AND EXTENSION OF THE VIBE TRAIL.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR BUILDING MATERIALS, DESIGNS, AND SIGNAGE.
SO A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
THE LAKE PARK TRACT, UM, IS GONNA BE CONSIST OF MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THE DA WILL ALLOW FOR SALE OR FOR RENT.
UM, THE VERTICAL MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL WILL ALSO BE FOR SALE OR FOR RENT.
UM, AND THEN YOUR TYPICAL USE IS COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, UM, AND BASICALLY THE RETAIL SERVICES LAND USE DISTRICT.
UM, THE CITY WILL RECEIVE, UH, BASICALLY PROHIBITS VARIOUS USES, SIMILAR WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, A TYPICAL LIST OF OF LAND USES THAT WE DON'T LIKE.
UM, GAS STATIONS, UH, STANDALONE BANKS, AUTO RELATED COMMERCIAL.
UM, THIS WILL ALLOW, UH, PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED AS A HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER.
THE DA MAY CONTEMPLATE ADDITIONAL SWAP OR DONATION OF THAT CONFERENCE CENTER TO THE CITY'S CONTROL.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, PUBLIC PARKLAND, UM, AS WELL AS PRIVATE PARKLAND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
UM, SO THIS, UH, WOULD BE THE HOSPITAL TRACT.
UM, CURRENTLY THEY'RE LOOKING AT A SEVEN STORY HOSPITAL, APPROXIMATELY 550 BEDS.
UM, THERE ARE GONNA BE, UH, EIGHT LEVEL PARKING GARAGE, UM, THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ONCE THEY HIT THOSE TRIGGERS FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BEDS.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN SPACE TRAIL.
UH, IT'S KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY OR IN THE IMAGE.
UH, AGAIN, ACREAGE FOR THE FM 1626 WATER TANK SITE.
UM, IT'S KIND OF GRAYED OUT, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT NEAR THE, UH, RED PORTION OF THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA.
AND THEN AGAIN, ACREAGE FOR MARKETPLACE ROAD, UM, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PART OF OUR BOND PROGRAM.
SO HERE IS THE CONCEPT OF THE LAKE PARK PLAN.
AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE WHAT WE ARE CALLING VERTICAL MIXED USE, UH, BUILDING CORRIDORS.
THOSE ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
UM, AND THEN THE AREAS WITH THE RED HATCHED ARE THOSE VERTICAL MIXED USE, UH, BUILDINGS.
AGAIN, NON-RESIDENTIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UH, REAL QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED LAND USE.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST FOCUSING ON THE LAKE PARK, UH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
AGAIN, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND VERTICAL MIXED USE.
UH, COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL, AGAIN, PROHIBITS GAS STATION.
STANDALONE BANKS, UH, PROVIDE SITE FOR A HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER, AND THEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARKLAND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, THE SIGNS ARE INCLUDED INTO THE VARIANCES, UM, BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT CODE.
SO WHAT THIS WILL DO WILL ALLOW I 35 SIGN REGULATIONS TO APPLY TO ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT, JUST NOT THOSE THAT FRONT I 35.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW A REDUCTION FOR SETBACKS TO CREATE A MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
SO TYPICALLY 10 FEET ON THE FRONT SIDE CORNER, UM, AND THEN ZERO ON THE INTERIOR SIDE YARDS.
UM, WHERE SETBACKS DO CAUSE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED UNDER PAVEMENT.
UM, THIS DA OR, AND THIS PUD WILL ALLOW FOR PRIVATE STREETS TO BE, UH, BUILT AND MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER.
UM, IT ALSO WAIVES SOME OF THE LOT MINIMUM SIZES AREAS.
UM, UH, ALLOWS FOR REDUCTION IN LOT FRONTAGES AND ALSO ALLOWS, UH, CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS BETWEEN LOTS IF THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, FRONTAGE THEMSELVES.
UM, HEIGHT, UM, SO MAXIMUM'S 120 FEET AND 14 STORIES, UH, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER ITSELF AND SOME OFFICE TOWERS, UM, IDENTIFIED IN THE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, HOWEVER, 10 UH, STORIES FOR MULTIFAMILY AND VERTICAL MIXED USE STRUCTURES WOULD BE THE MAX ON ON THOSE.
UM, THE I 35 OVERLAY DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, AGAIN, IF IT'S FOUR STORIES OR LESS, THEY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING IH OVERLAY STANDARDS.
UH, BUT FIVE STORIES AND UP SHALL BE DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE TO SOME OF THE FOLLOWING EXHIBITS AND WHAT'S, UH, IMPLEMENTED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
SO THESE WOULD BE IMAGES OF WHAT SOME OF THE, THE BUILDINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE AT FIVE STORIES.
AND THESE ARE JUST FOR REFERENCE, BUT THEY ARE INCORPORATED AS EXHIBITS.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER STANDARDS OR VARIANCES WE HAVE IS IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THE PROJECT HAS A NO DETENTION STUDY FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, WHICH ALLOWS 85% IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UM, BASED ON THE OVERALL SITE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CREEK AND DRAINAGE AREA, UH, YOU DON'T WANNA HOLD THAT WATER UP, YOU WANT TO RELEASE IT SO YOU DON'T CAUSE ANY FLOODING UPSTREAM.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA ALLOW THAT, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THE CLUSTERING, UM, IN THERE.
UH, BUT ULTIMATELY 85% IS, IS WHERE THEY'RE AT, UH, FOR THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S NO UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY, SO TO SPEAK, THAT YOU NORMALLY FIND
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IN YOUR R THREE THREE ZONING OR ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT.UM, THE DENSITY IS GONNA BE MOSTLY A FUNCTION OF THE AMOUNT OF LE THAT ARE AVAILABLE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, CURRENT SETBACKS OF THE LOT PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO WE'LL LET THE DEVELOPMENT KIND OF DICTATE ITS OWN SIZE ON A PER LOT BASIS.
AS WE MOVE INTO MINIMUM UNIT SIZES.
OUR, SOME OF OUR CODES HAVE CERTAIN MINIMUM SIZES FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX.
WE'RE GONNA WAIVE THAT AS PART OF THIS PUD.
HOWEVER, THEY DO STILL NEED TO MEET THE ADOPTED INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
THOSE STANDARDS HAVE MINIMUM SIZES, FOUR BATHROOMS, BEDROOMS, DEPENDING ON THE OCCUPANCY.
UH, STAFF IS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AGAIN, PARKING, UH, ALLOWS SHARED PARKING BETWEEN USES.
UM, HERE WE'RE AT 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT PLUS 10% TOTAL FOR GUEST PARKING.
UM, RESTAURANTS ARE PARKED AT ONE SPACE PER 100 GROSS SQUARE FOOT TO ACCOUNT FOR CUSTOMER STAFF.
AND, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY DONE.
UH, AS A QUICK CHANGE, WE'VE NOTICED, UH, SOME ISSUES WITH OUR CURRENT RESTAURANT PARKING.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE STANDARD THAT STAFF IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, ON MORE DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, THIS WILL NOT ONLY HANDLE THE CUSTOMERS, BUT ALSO THE STAFF FOR THE RESTAURANTS THEMSELVES.
UM, AND THEN HOTELS ARE PARKED AT 1.1 SPACE PER UNIT.
UM, THERE ARE NO PARKING MAXIMUMS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AS FOUND WITHIN OUR NORMAL CODE, UH, ALTERNATIVE REVIEW PROCESS.
SO I 35 OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE GONNA BE REVIEWED BY STAFF, NOT P AND Z.
UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE REVIEWED FOR ADHERENCE TO THIS PUD.
UM, AND THE ASSOCIATED DA'S, UH, SITE PLANS ARE GONNA BE SUBMITTED FOR EACH SIDE PAT, UH, PAD SITE THROUGH THE NORMAL REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, UH, HOWEVER, THIS PUD DOES ALLOW FROM SOME EXTENSIONS ON THE, UH, UH, WINDOWS APPROVAL EXPIRATION DATES APPLY.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STREETS, AGAIN, I MENTIONED EARLIER, ALLOWS CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS AND NO LOT FRONTAGE ALLOWS FOR PRIVATE STREETS MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER, UM, AND ALLOWS FOR BLOCK LANES TO BE EXTENDED, UH, VIA APPROVED MEANS THROUGH THE ADOPTED FIRE CODE.
SO AS LONG AS THE FIRE CODE IS GOOD WITH THAT, CITY STAFF IS OKAY WITH THOSE BLOCK LENGTHS.
UM, OTHER ALLOWANCES PER THIS PUD IT'S GONNA ALLOW FOR 10 FOOT FENCING.
UH, SOME OF THE PROPERTY AS IT'S GOING THROUGH ITS PHASES FOR DEVELOPMENT MAY RETAIN ITS AG EXEMPT STATUS.
UM, AT THAT POINT WE WOULD NOT BE, UH, SENDING CODE OFFICERS DOWN TO REQUIRE MOWING ON CERTAIN PORTIONS, UH, MAYBE ADJACENT TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPED PROPERTIES.
JUST FOR A SAFETY STANDPOINT, UH, THIS PROJECT DOES ALLOW IN THE P FOR OVERLAND DRAINAGE.
SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE STORM DRAIN AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE OPEN DITCHES.
UH, THIS IS MERELY FOR AREAS WHERE WE HAVE UTILITIES, GAS LINES, VIBE, TRAIL THAT WE, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL INSTALL TO INSTALL STORM.
UH, THIS DOES DEVELOPMENT DOES ALLOW, UH, PROJECTS TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE 100 FE, UH, 100 FOOT STREAM SETBACK.
UM, THAT IS, UH, JUST A BUFFER WE HAVE AROUND OUR AREA.
SO ON ONE OF THE IMAGES, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE CIRCULAR AREA RIGHT NEXT TO THE LAKE, UM, THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED TO BE KIND OF A RESTAURANT SITE.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AS CLOSE TO THAT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, MUNICIPAL UTILITY EASEMENTS ARE ONLY GONNA BE REQUIRED WHERE UTILITIES ARE LOCATED.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A BLANKET ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF A LOT LINE.
SO THIS WILL JUST BE AS, AS NEEDED, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, SO HAVING TALKED LAKE PARK, YES, SIR.
UH, JUST TO GO BACK, IS ANY OF THIS PROPERTY IN A FLOOD PLAIN, JASON? UH, YES, THERE'S SOME FLOOD PLAIN RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT WILL IT BE DEVELOPED THERE? NO.
THE FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SUBJECT TO OUR, OUR TRADITIONAL FLOODPLAIN REVIEW.
UM, SO, UH, FLOODWAY MOST LIKELY NOT.
UM, IF THEY'RE IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, WE HAVE SOME FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND MEET.
SO WE'RE NOT WAIVING ANY OF THOSE STANDARDS OR CRITERIA.
UM, SO SWITCHING GEARS, UM, THIS IS THE HOSPITAL TRACT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, SO THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, OF THE HOSPITAL.
UM, THERE WILL BE POSSIBLY A HELIPAD LOCATED ON THE ROOF, UM, PARKING GARAGE, AND THEN, UH, SEVERAL MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UM, AGAIN, UH, SIZES ARE LAID OUT IN THE P AND IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, THE KIND OF TEAL SPACE YOU SEE IS POSSIBLE FUTURE, UH, HOSPITAL EXPANSION THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THE HOSPITAL'S GIVING THEMSELVES, UH, UH, PLENTY OF ROOM TO GROW FOR AS THE CITY GROWS AND THEIR NEEDS GROW.
UM, SO I THINK I MENTIONED IT'S SEVEN FLOORS, APPROXIMATELY, ALMOST 700,000 SQUARE FEET, APPROXIMATELY 550 BEDS.
UM, THE FOUR OTHER MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE 80,000 SQUARE FEET, SQUARE FEET EACH.
UH, AGAIN, THIS WILL ALLOW OTHER MEDICAL OFFICES SUPPORT, USES GIFT SHOPS, UH, CAFETERIAS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, AND AS MENTIONED TO HELIPAD, UH, SIGNS, UM, THE SIGNS FOR THE HOSPITAL ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR OWN ALTERNATIVE SIGN PACKAGE FOR THAT HOSPITAL.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE INCORPORATED INTO, INTO THE P UH, IT DOES ALLOW
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REDUCTION FOR SETBACKS.SO 50 FEET IS REQUIRED, UH, SETBACK, BUT THAT, THOSE MAY BE ADJUSTED VIA SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, AGAIN, NO LOT MINIMUM SIZE AREAS, LOT FRONTAGES.
UM, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON THE LAKE PARK PARCEL.
UM, HEIGHT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON THE HOSPITAL TRACT.
WE'RE GOING TO A MAXIMUM OF 150 FEET.
UM, AND THAT'S FOR THE HOSPITAL AND THE HELIPAD, AGAIN, IMPERVIOUS COVER THE ENTIRE SITE'S AT 85%.
UM, THAT'S WHY IT'S A CLUSTERED KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON PARKING HERE.
THIS WILL ALLOW PARKING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
SO YOU SAW ON THE SITE PLAN, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF STANDARD HOSPITAL.
UM, THEY DO HAVE YOUR TO MEET OUR STANDARD RE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THOSE PARKING AREAS.
UH, AGAIN, STREETS, UH, VERY SAME AS THE LAKE PARK TRACK, UH, ALLOWS CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS, ALLOWS PRIVATE STREETS, ALLOWS BLOCK LANES, UH, TO BE EXTENDED, UH, VIA APPROVED METHODS OF THE FIRE CODE.
UM, OTHER VARIANCES ON THE HOSPITAL SIDE WILL BE A 12 FOOT FENCE IN HEIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE AROUND OUR WATER TANK FACILITY.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DA IS CONTEMPLATING.
UM, RIGHT NOW OUR CODE REQUIRES EIGHT MASONRY.
UM, WE'RE GONNA INCREASE THAT TO 12 AS PART OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE STAFF APPROVAL FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S NOT GONNA GO TO P AND Z LIKE YOUR TYPICAL I 35.
UH, IT'LL BE A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW.
AND THEN AGAIN, AGS EXEMPT PROPERTIES, UM, WON'T HAVE TO MOW, UH, UNLESS THEY'RE KIND OF NEAR CERTAIN DEVELOPED PROPERTIES AND IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, SO NOW I'M KIND OF SWITCHING GEARS AGAIN, WHERE HOSPITAL OPTION B, SHOULD THE HOSPITAL NOT BE DEVELOPED? UM, UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THE SITE.
IT WOULD BE FOCUSED MOSTLY, UM, SOME RETAIL AREAS, UH, MULTIFAMILY, UH, AND THEN KIND OF SENIOR ORIENTED MULTIFAMILY, UH, LOCATED ON THIS SITE.
UM, ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE, THINGS OF THOSE NATURE.
UM, OH, I KIND OF TALKED ON THAT WILL ALLOW SOME VERTICAL MIXED USE AREAS IF THE HOSPITAL DOESN'T GET DEVELOPED.
UM, IT DOES PROVIDE PARKLAND PRIVATE, UH, AND PUBLIC.
UH, AGAIN, THE PRIVATE WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN ALL THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR OPTION B OF THE HOSPITAL TRACT WILL FOLLOW THE, THE LAKE PARK TRACT, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE KIND OF OUTLINED AT THE BEGINNING.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AGAIN, THAT WILL ALSO BE COVERED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT YOU'RE GONNA SEE NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MEETING.
UM, THE LAKE PARK TRACTS MAY DONATE APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES, UM, AROUND THAT LAKE AND DAM FACILITY.
IN SPILLWAY, UH, PRIVATE PARKLAND, AGAIN, WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, THE HOSPITAL TRACK SHALL PROVIDE AN EASEMENT FOR A SECTION OF THE VIBE.
UM, HOWEVER, PARKLAND FEES FOR RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS SHALL BE PAID AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, SO THE CITY'S NOT WAIVING THOSE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES.
UM, SO AGAIN, UM, THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR, FOR OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT IN, IN KIND OF MANAGING THAT SPACE.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL LAND BE DONATED TO THE CITY AGAIN FOR MARKETPLACE AND THE EXPANSION OF OUR WATER FACILITIES.
OH, UM, I DON'T WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS JUST KIND OF FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
THIS IS NOT THE EXACT PARKLAND THAT WILL BE DEDICATED.
THOSE, THOSE BOUNDARIES MAY CHANGE, BUT THIS IS THE GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE CITY WILL BE RECEIVING AS PART OF ANY LATER DONATION AGREEMENT.
UM, AND, AND YOU WILL HAVE A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THAT.
THAT WOULD COME AS A SEPARATE, SEPARATE ITEM.
UM, SO PNZ RECOMMENDED BY A VOTE SIX OH APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND ZONING CHANGE.
THEY DID HAVE THESE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS.
THESE WERE STAFF RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS.
UM, THEY WERE REALLY JUST KIND OF TRYING TO FINE TUNE THE DOCUMENT WITH WHAT WE WERE NEGOTIATING.
SO, UM, MODIFY SECTION 53 7 2 4.
UM, THIS WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'RE LANGUAGE MATCHING THE LANGUAGE IN THE PUTT ORDINANCE WITH SOME OF OUR, OUR CHANGES.
UM, DELETE SECTION 41 DASH 1 39.
UM, THE DEVELOPERS WAS GONNA ADHERE TO THAT SECTION OF CODE, BUT IT WAS, WAS STILL LISTED IN THEIR REQUESTED VARIANCES.
UM, AND THEN THE SAME WITH, UH, SECTION 41 DASH 1 46 PNZ ALSO RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.
UM, ADD CHAPTER 29 SIGN STANDARDS AND PERMITS.
THESE SECTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT WILL ALLOW THE, THE SIGN WALL SIGNS, THE CANOPY SIGNS.
UM, YOU KIND OF DISCUSS HOW THE I 35 OVERLAY SIGNAGE IN INTERNAL ILLUMINATED LIGHTS WILL APPLY TO THE WHOLE THING.
UM, AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, SAME KIND OF ON D ONE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE SECTIONS FOR MULTIPLE TRACKS.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME REPETITIVE LANGUAGE THERE.
UM, SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN ADDITION TO PNZ RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
UM, THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF SOME LAST MINUTE CHANGES DISCUSSING ON THE DA TO MAKE EVERYTHING MATCH.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO DELETE SECTIONS 41
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DASH 47 G TWO B.UM, THAT'S, IT'S DISCUSSING LUS IN THE PACKET, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, SO WE FELT IT WASN'T NEEDED IN THE PUTT ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, THESE ARE YOUR OPTIONS HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UM, APPROVE THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE, UM, AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVED WITH, UH, STAFF AND P AND Z RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
UM, YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITH, WITH OUR CHANGES.
WITH YOUR OWN CHANGES, UM, OR YOU CAN DENY THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, OPTION TWO OR THREE AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR ANYBODY FOR QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, GO.
JUST REAL QUICK, UH, JUST WANTED TO ASK THE FIRST QUESTION IS JUST MAKING SURE WE CODIFYING THE AGREEMENT THAT THE PUBLIC AREA STAY PUBLIC EVEN UH, WITH TIME SOMETIMES DEVELOPMENT WILL FIND MAYBE SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE PUBLIC AREAS AND TRY TO CLOSE 'EM OFF, MAKING SURE IT'S CODIFIED THAT WE KEEP THOSE OPEN, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VIBE TRAIL THERE.
THE OTHER THING, WHAT'S THE TALLEST BUILDING? REFRESH MY MEMORY, WHAT'S THE TALLEST BUILDING CLOSE HERE IN THIS PROJECT? SO IT COULD BE THE HOSPITAL AT 14 STORIES ON THE LAKE PARK TRACK.
I'M SORRY, THE HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER, UM, OR THE HOSPITAL AT ONE 50 ON THE OTHER.
JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW THOSE ARE DESIGNED.
HOW TALL IS THE HOSPITAL ONE? I'M SORRY.
UH, THE HOSPITAL CAN GO UP TO ONE 50 WITH THE HELIPAD AND, AND A PERCES.
UM, THE LAKE PARK TRACK, THE HOSS, THE HIGHEST THEY COULD GO IS ONE 20 OR 14 STORIES.
ON THOSE, UH, DID WE THINK ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT IMPACT WOULD HAVE WITH OUR FIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT? UM, AND DID WE HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT? YES, I DID DISCUSS THAT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO ANYTIME YOU GET A BUILDING THAT SIZE, THERE'S NO LADDER TRUCK THAT HAS THAT CAPABILITY.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE ON THE DEVELOPER.
THERE'S, UH, FIRE CODE, UH, BUILDING CODE STANDARDS THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO IMPLEMENT.
UM, THEY ARE COSTLY, UM, BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE SATISFYING THE, THE FIRE CODE AND THE BUILDING CODE FIRE WAS OKAY WITH THAT.
I KNOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TALKED ABOUT MAYBE A LARGER, UH, LADDER TRUCK OR SOMETHING IN, IN THAT ASPECT, UH, WITH SOME OF THE TALLER BUILDINGS NEAR THE HOSPITAL.
IS THAT SOMETHING CONVERSATION WE'RE STILL HAVING OR NOT? UH, NOT THAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF FOCUSING ON THE ZONING AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ES EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT.
WE KIND OF DON'T GET INVOLVED INTO THEIR NEGOTIATIONS AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
UM, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO SHARE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PHONE NUMBER WITH THEM SO THEY CAN CALL THEM
BRIAN, HAVE, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR NOT? NO, SIR.
UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GO AHEAD AND DO THE REZONING NOW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF US.
THIS WOULD BE JUST THE FIRST READING.
UM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIVE YOUR SECOND READING.
WE CAN BRING THOSE BACK UP AND TIE THEM ALL IN AT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, BECAUSE I KIND OF LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEFORE WE DO THE REZONING.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA LOSE ALL KINDS OF MM-HMM.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS COULD BE POSTPONED? I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THAT CAN BE POSTPONED SO THAT COMES TOGETHER FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE? I'LL HAVE TO TURN THAT OVER TO THE, I MEAN THE ATTORNEY.
BUT, UM, I DO WANT TO ANSWER A FOLLOW UP QUESTION BEFORE WE GET OFF ON THAT.
UM, THE PARKLAND, UM, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION WILL BE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT.
SO WE HAVEN'T WORKED OUT ANY, ANY TIME LIMITS OR TERMS ON THAT.
BUT THE, I'LL MAKE A NOTE THAT, THAT YOU DON'T WANT THOSE PUBLIC AREAS TO, TO REVERT BACK AT ANY POINT.
AND THE OTHER ONES ARE ALSO THE, UH, THE, UH, AREAS WHERE MAYBE A FOOD COURT OR SOMETHING AROUND THERE IS OPEN.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE LATER ON THEY COULD COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE JUST GONNA USE IT FOR THE RESIDENTS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ELSE.
I KNOW POOL AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S OFF LIMITS.
BUT THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO THE VIBE TRAIL, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THOSE, UH, MOVING FORWARD AT ALL TIMES.
'CAUSE THEY COULD WANT TO SHUT IT DOWN FOR JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GETTING TOO MUCH TRASH, WE'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON IT.
YOU KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO THE FIVE TRAIL.
SO MAKING SURE WE KEEP ALL THAT OPEN.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF THE POD AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND READING ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 19TH.
SO AT THAT TIME YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THEY, UH, COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER AND WORK WITH EACH OTHER.
WE'VE TRIED TO GIVE YOU AN OUTLINE OF ALL OF THE DEAL POINTS.
UH, SO YOU COULD SEE THIS IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT THOSE OTHER AGREEMENTS WILL COME FORWARD BACK ON THE 19TH.
BUT SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE APPROVE THIS AND WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE SEE DURING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE FIRST READING OF THE REZONING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THE SECOND READING.
SO YOU COULD POSTPONE THAT ITEM UNTIL YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THE AGREEMENT THE WAY YOU WANTED IT, OR YOU COULD DENY IT.
I JUST, THE SECOND READING DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE REALLY ALL THE ELEVATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS ARE GOING TO BE ADDED.
I KNOW THAT IT'S JUST BEEN A REQUEST FOR
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REZONING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT.IS THERE ANY INCENTIVE BEING REQUESTED? WHY? I, I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GO AHEAD AND DO EVEN A FIRST READING FOR A REZONING.
I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO COME TOGETHER.
LIKE WE NORMALLY GET IT ALL TOGETHER.
LIKE WE JUST APPROVE FOR THE, I MEAN, I VOTED NO, BUT NO, JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE THAT JUST CAME OUT.
BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON THAT ONE RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT, BUT THAT HAD A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
WELL, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION WE CAN.
UM, WHAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE IN ADDITION TO THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SHOWN? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY UNITS ARE GOING TO BE AFTER THE REZONING OF THE RV THREE AND THEN WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THE COMMERCIAL GOING TO LIKE IN TERMS OF ACREAGE? UM, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS ARE THEY TARGETING AS THEY'RE GONNA COME A HOTEL AND YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF HOTEL ARE WE TRYING TO PURSUE? UM, I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DEDICATED SO MUCH SPACE TO PARKLAND AND I AM LIKE, I'M GOING TO BE FULLY IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE DO THE REZONING.
WE SHOULD HAVE THE ACREAGES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU.
EMILY, UM, LEMME PULL THAT EXHIBIT UP REAL QUICK.
UM, WE DID HAVE A NUMBER IN THERE.
UM, I, I DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND WHAT THE COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGES WERE.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THE DENSITY IS NOT GOING TO BE NEARLY AS DEFINED BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DENSITY BASED ON THE LUE COUNT.
AND SO WE HAVE THE NUMBER OF L LUS.
UM, BUT DEPENDING ON HOW THAT PROJECT IS DEVELOPED, THOSE LUS COULD BE AT A 0.5 OR THEY COULD BE AT A 0.7.
UM, BUT, UH, APPROXIMATELY I BELIEVE, UH, 2100 LU FOR THE LAKE PARK TRACT IS, IS WHAT I BELIEVE.
SO THAT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 21 TO 4,000 UNITS POSSIBLY, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT BROKE UP.
UH, ARE YOU GUYS REQUESTING ANY SORT OF INCENTIVE? OH, THANK YOU.
WELL, I, I ALSO WANNA CLARIFY THIS IS A LAND PLAN AND NOT A, A DEVELOPMENT PER SE.
SO IT'S AN ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FOR THAT.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT MAY HAVE AN INCENTIVE THAT WOULD BE REQUESTED IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A COMPLEX NEGOTIATION WITH THE ZONING FOR THE ENTIRE LAKE PARK TRACK AND THE HOSPITAL TRACK TOGETHER IS ONE PUD, WHICH A LARGE COMPONENT OF THAT INCENTIVE IS BUILDING THE ROAD THROUGH THE PROPERTY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY MAKES THE ROAD MORE VALUABLE AS WE LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE AND, AND VARIOUS ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UH, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MANY L THE PROPERTY WOULD BE PROVIDED AND WHAT TYPE OF ENTITLEMENTS THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED, THE DENSITY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT GOING ON IN THIS AGREEMENT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE LIKE THE OTHER.
UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE WERE TO WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, IN MY OPINION, AND, AND ONCE WE HAVE THIS ZONING PASS, THEN HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT NEGOTIATION WITH THEM? DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER? I'M SORRY.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, WHEN YOU SEE THE AGREEMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE THAT AGREEMENT UP BEFORE THE ZONING SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AND REVIEW IT.
AND IF THERE'S, IF YOU'RE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEN BOTH THE ZONING SECOND READING AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAN BE POSTPONED TO, TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL TO REVISE ANY OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.
AND JUST, AND JUST FOR, FOR YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, PAGE 53.
UM, SO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WAS BROKEN UP INTO TWO SECTIONS BECAUSE OF, OF UPLOADING, UH, LIMITATIONS.
UM, BUT IF PART ONE OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, PAGE 53, UM, THERE'S A, A DETAILED BREAKDOWN, UM, KIND OF FLOOR BY FLOOR RETAIL SPACE, OFFICE SPACE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE YOU KIND OF DISCUSS HOW MUCH RETAIL, HOW MUCH OFFICE, UM, MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL KIND OF SEE THERE.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THOSE, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE TONIGHT.
THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
UM, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE, THE OTHER PUDS THAT WE, WE JUST SAW TONIGHT.
UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THEY'RE ACTIVELY IN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS MORE OF KIND OF AN ENTITLEMENT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, THEY'RE, THE PLANS ARE THAT FLUSHED OUT AT THIS POINT EXCEPT FOR THE HOSPITAL TRACT CUSTOMERS DIDN'T GO.
YEAH, I HAVE SORT OF THE SAME FEELINGS AND CONCERNS AS, UH, DANIELA, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAILS OF WHAT'S COMING IN, BUT THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS THE MAY DONATE THE 20 ACRES.
LIKE I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT AS A PARK IN THAT AREA OF THE CITY SO PEOPLE COULD ENJOY IT OUTSIDE.
IF WE DON'T GET THAT 20 ACRES.
WHAT OTHER OPEN SPACE ACREAGE DO WE HAVE COMING
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IN INTO THE PART ONE OF THE HOSPITAL? BUILD OUT HOW MUCH OF IT IS IN THERE? BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE HOW IT'S ALL GONNA LOOK LIKE TOGETHER.I BELIEVE THE, THE HOSPITAL TRACTOR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS TWO ACRE DONATION ON THE, ON THE VIBE TRAIL.
UM, IF THE, IF ULTIMATELY THE PARK DOES NOT GET DEDICATED, THEN AT THAT POINT THOUGH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES.
UM, SO IT MAY NOT BE IN THAT AREA.
UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE DA DISCUSSES, UH, AGAIN, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WAS IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR LIFE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MORE OF A DIFFERENT DONATION AGREEMENT.
IT'S GONNA BE REFERENCED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THAT MEETING.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT READY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION JUST YET.
SO THERE, I GUESS THERE, THERE WAS A, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT DONATING THAT 20 ACRES.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S KIND OF BEEN CHANGING OR TRICKLING IN THERE THAT OF MAYBE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE? 'CAUSE I KNOW, ARE THEY NOT, I I THINK RIGHT NOW THEY'D LIKE TO, THEY'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH AND DO SOME FLOOD STUDIES TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE THE EXACT FLOODPLAIN IS.
UM, THAT'LL KIND OF DEFINE WHAT THAT IS.
AND THEN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PARKLAND ITSELF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE EXACT BOUNDARIES? UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S WRITTEN THE KIND OF THE WAY IT IS.
UM, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO THE, THE DONATION, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH LIKE A NORMAL PROJECT AND GO TO THE PARKS BOARD AND, AND, AND PAY ALL OF THE FEES BECAUSE TO YOUR, TO COUNCIL MEMBER SUNGAS POINT, THE BIGGEST PART OF ME SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT IS BECAUSE OF THE DEDICATION THAT I SEE DURING THE PLANS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS STATED, UM, THAT THAT AMOUNT OF LAND WILL BE DEDICATED TO PARKS AND FOR PUBLIC ACCESS.
OTHERWISE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES ME RETHINK MY DECISION.
WELL, WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS SET UP, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN POSTPONE THIS ITEM YOUR PREROGATIVE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE MEETING FOR THE 19TH.
THE MOTIONS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA THAT WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UH, IF WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM, WE WILL ALSO BE POSTPONING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO YOU'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE RIGHT BACK AT THIS EXACT SAME SPOT AT THE NEXT TIME.
AND THE REASON IS WE USED TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH FIRST READING OF ZONING.
AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY CREATING A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE ENTITLING A PROJECT BEFORE ZONING IT.
SO IT WOULD COME BACK ON SECOND READING AFTER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS PASSED ON FIRST READING.
AND IF WE DIDN'T PASS THE, THE ZONING ON SECOND READING.
SO EVERYTHING IS BEING VERY STRATEGICALLY DONE SO THAT WE GET AN INITIAL LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WE CAN TAKE A FIRST VOTE, WHICH IS NON-BINDING AND WE MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD SO THAT WE'RE TAKING ALL THE VOTES TOGETHER AT ONE TIME AND YOU HAVE IT ALL BEFORE YOU.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS THE PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE.
AND IF WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM, THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE FIRST READING AGAIN.
AND SECOND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL GET MOVED BACK.
CAN I RESEND MY MOTION TO POSTPONE THE ITEM? IS THAT AMENABLE TO THE SECOND? UH, I CAN, I CAN CHANGE IT.
COUNCIL HAS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 17.
MOTION BY CUSTOMER HEISER SECONDED BY CUSTOMER RIZZO THAT WE APPROVE.
OH, ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION.
'CAUSE THAT HAS PUBLIC HEARING
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT THOSE ARE ALL INVALID MOTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO, SORRY, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, UH, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? ALRIGHT.
ARE THEY WILLING TO SAY SO THEY'RE WELCOME TO, I'D RATHER 'EM COME UP NOT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE CAN ENGAGE THEM IF YOU WANT TO.
MAYBE MAKE US FEEL A LITTLE MORE AT EASE ABOUT SOMETHING SAY IS ON THE RECORD.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ALL? SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE MOTION THEN WE'LL BRING HIM UP.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 17.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO, WE APPROVE.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? CUSTOMER
ALL OPPOSED? ALL MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
I'D LIKE TO OBJECT TO FINAL PASSAGE AND WE'LL BRING BACK FOR SECOND READING ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND HOPEFULLY SOME GOOD ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S SEE.
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MORE.[20. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and consider casting a total of 195 votes allocated to the City of Kyle to one candidate or distribute among multiple candidates for five (5) interim positions on the Hays County Central Appraisal District Board. ~ Perwez A. Moheet, CPA, Director of Finance]
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20.RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND CONSIDER CASTING A TOTAL OF 195 VOTES ALLOCATED TO THE CITY OF KYLE TO ONE CANDIDATE OR DISTRIBUTE AMONG MULTIPLE CANDIDATES.
FOR FIVE INTERIM POSITIONS ON THE HAYES COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD, MR. MOHIT GRANT HELP MAYOR, MAYOR PROAM.
COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD, I'M PERVE MOE CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ITEM.
UM, THE CHIEF APPRAISER OF THE HAYES COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECENTLY SENT US A, AN OFFICIAL BALLOT FOR THE, TO ELECT FIVE INTERIM DIRECTORS TO SERVE ON THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UM, THE REASON IT IS, THE REASON IT IS INTERIM IS BECAUSE SENATE BILL TWO, WHEN THEY CHANGED PROPERTY TAX REGULATIONS, IT ALSO MANDATED THAT ALL APPRAISAL DISTRICTS SHALL NOW BE COMPRISED OF NINE, UH, ELECTED MEMBERS OR BOARDS MEMBERS.
I HAVE A VERY BRIEF, UH, PRESENTATION, WHICH I'LL WRAP IT UP IN LESS THAN SEVEN AND A HALF MINUTES.
SO THE NINE DIRECTORS WILL BE SELECTED, FIVE WILL BE APPOINTED BY THE TAXING UNITS.
WE'RE ONE OF THE TAXING UNITS IN THE DISTRICT THREE TO BE ELECTED BY MAJORITY VOTE AT THE GENERAL ELECTION BY THE VOTERS OF THE COUNTY.
AND ONE EX-OFFICIAL, WHICH WILL BE THE HAYES COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.
THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THE OFFICIAL BALLOT TO THE CHIEF APPRAISER IS DECEMBER 15TH.
THE CITY COUNCIL'S VOTE MUST BE SUBMITTED IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE TERM OF OFFICE, THE INITIAL TERM IS FOR A ONE YEAR TERM FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2024 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
AFTER THAT, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CALL FOR NOMINATIONS IN AUGUST, 2024 FOR TERMS BEGINNING IN JANUARY, 2025.
EVENTUALLY AFTER THAT, THE TERMS WILL BE STAGGERING.
BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST OF EVERY OTHER, EVEN NUMBERED YEAR, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTES ALLOCATED TO THE CITY OF KYLE IS 195 OR 3.9% OF THE TOTAL VOTES.
THERE ARE 5,000 VOTES ALLOCATED AMONGST ALL THE, UH, TAXING JURISDICTIONS.
AND THE ALLOCATION IS BASED ON THE 2022 ACTUAL TAX LEVY.
FOR EACH, UM, TAXING JURISDICTION, THE VOTING PROCESS, CITY COUNCIL MAY CAST ALL 195 VOTES TO ONE CANDIDATE, OR YOU MAY CHOOSE TO DISTRIBUTE AMONG ANY NUMBER OF CANDIDATES LISTED ON THE OFFICIAL BALLOT.
VOTES CAN ONLY BE CAST FOR CANDIDATES LISTED ON THE OFFICIAL BALLOT.
THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR WRITE-IN CANDIDATES.
VOTE MUST BE DETERMINED BY ADOPTING A RESOLUTION AND THE RESOLUTION MUST BE SUBMITTED BY DECEMBER 15TH.
THE CANDIDATES AS LISTED ON THE OFFICIAL BALLOT ARE JEFFREY ALOK, JOE CASTILLO, NATHAN CROSS, JANE HOUSTON, NORA PUENTE, MEREDITH AWAY.
HERE ARE THE OPTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
OPTION ONE, APPROVE A MOTION TO CAST CITY'S ALL 195 ALLOCATED VOTES TO A CANDIDATE SELECTED BY COUNCIL FROM THE LIST OF CANDIDATES.
OPTION TWO, APPROVE A MOTION TO DISTRIBUTE CITY'S 195 VOTES AMONG MULTIPLE CANDIDATES LISTED ON THE BALLOT.
OPTION THREE, WHICH IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO CAST CITY'S 195 ALLOCATED VOTES FOR CANDIDATE JANE HOUSTON AS LISTED ON THE OFFICIAL BALLOT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, OPTION FOUR, WE CAN HAVE NO ACTION TAKEN OR POSTPONED.
WITH THAT, I BELIEVE I'M UNDER SEVEN AND A HALF MINUTES.
WELL, PERVEZ, LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE VOTED THE ALLOTMENTS FOR THE CITY FOR THE SCHOOL.
UM, APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO CARRY THE VOTE.
HISTORICALLY, WE'VE PARTNERED WITH JURISDICTIONS WHO REPRESENT THE CITY OF KYLE, NAMELY HAY, ISD BECAUSE THEY CARRY THE LION'S SHARE AND HAVE SUPPORTED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S,
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UH, UH, BALLOTS THAT THEY'VE CAST IN WHICH IN THE, IN THE PAST WAS ABEL TENORIO AND I BELIEVE POTENTIALLY THERE WERE OTHERS.SO THAT'S JUST THE SAME COMMENTARY AS LAST TIME.
AND, AND JUST FOR THE CONTEXT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? COUNCILMAN RIZZO? YEAH.
DO WE KNOW WHERE EACH PERSON LIVES OR IS FROM? NO, THE BALLOT DOES NOT SHOW THAT.
BUT I DID ASK THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IF THEY WOULD SHARE WITH ME WHO NOMINATED WHICH JURISDICTION NOMINATED THESE CANDIDATES.
SO I CAN GO DOWN THE LIST REAL QUICK FOR YOU.
SO JEFFREY ALOK IS NOMINATED BY DRIPPING SPRINGS, ISD JOE CASTILLO BY SIN MARCUS, CISD, NATHAN CROSS, WIMBERLEY, ISD JANE HOUSTON, CITY OF SAN MARCUS, NORA PUENTE, HAYES, CISD, AND MEREDITH SHEWE HAYES, CISD.
AND IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, JOE CASTILLO IS SERVING ON THE CURRENT BOARD.
JANE HOUSTON IS ALSO SERVING ON THE CURRENT BOARD.
AND SO IS MEREDITH SHEWE THOUGHTS, CUSTOMER HAZARD.
DO I WANNA DO THAT OR NOT? VERY SMILE.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION? NOTHING.
WHAT IS THE STATUS QUO NOW? I SUPPOSE SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS MOST LIKELY WILL, WILL HAVE THEIR CANDIDATES ELECTED.
SO OUR VOTES AS OF RIGHT NOW SIT WITH THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE MOST ALLOCATED VOTE.
BUT YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE RUNNING FOR THAT DISTRICT RIGHT NOW THAT WERE NOMINATED BY THE DISTRICT.
YOU GOT NORA FUENTE AND MY SCHWA, CORRECT? Y YES.
SO YOU HAVE TWO CANDIDATES? YEAH.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OPTION NUMBER ONE, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS TO SPLIT THE VOTES BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES, OR WAS THAT OPTION B? IT'S NOT UP.
OPTION TWO WAS IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE MULTIPLE CANDIDATES, I MEAN, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LIKE BRING 'EM BEFORE US OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY NOT, BUT NO, WE, SO I HAVE NO OPTION B TO SPLIT THE CAN TO SPLIT OUR VOTES BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES FROM A-C-I-S-D.
YOU CAN SPLIT IT AMONGST ANY FIVE.
UH, SO THE MOTION IS TO SPLIT OUR VOTES BETWEEN NORA PUENTE AND MEREDITH SHAW.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS? YEAH, THE, YEAH, THE TWO BOTTOM NAMES.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION COUNCIL COUNCILOR REZA, GO.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT OPTION THREE AND JUST FOLLOW THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR JANE HUSON.
SO IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS.
IT'S NOT WORTH THE, ANY OF THE PUBLIC DRAMA OVER TRYING TO MAKE THIS DECISION BECAUSE OUR VOTES DO NOT COUNT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ALREADY FOR THE TWO SCHOOL BOARDS.
UH, DID WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? WE DID, BUT WE BUT YOU, HE CAN MO BEFORE WE VOTE.
HE CAN MOTION TO MOTION TO AMEND.
HE WAS BRINGING FORWARD A MOTION.
SO WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE RULES, LET'S FOLLOW THE RULES.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA CALL THE QUESTION RIGHT AWAY.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT WHILE HE'S TRYING TO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA A SET OF PRECEDENTS FOR FOLLOWING THE RULES AND LET'S DO THAT.
CAN I HEAR THE MOTION AGAIN? SO THE INITIAL, THIS ONE, THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE ONE THAT SECOND, THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT COUNT ALL.
SO THERE WAS AN INITIAL MOTION TO, UH, SPLIT OUR VOTES BETWEEN NORA PUENTE AND MEREDITH SHAW.
THERE IS A DESIRE TO AMEND THE MOTION AND CALL FOR A VOTE, UH, TO MAKE OUR, UH, TO CAST OUR VOTES FOR JANE HOUSTON SO THAT THE, THE MOTION WASN'T QUITE MADE TO AMEND.
BUT I'M GONNA GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO THAT NOW.
AND THEN WHAT WE WILL DO IS TAKE AN AMENDMENT VOTE ON JANE HOUSTON IF THERE'S A SECOND.
AND THEN IF THAT AMENDMENT PASSES, THEN JANE HOUSTON IS NOW THE OFFICIAL MOTION.
WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AGAIN.
SO THAT'S, IT GETS CONVOLUTED WITH MOTIONS AND AMENDMENTS, BUT THAT'S IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO? WELL, IF NO ONE'S GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT I MADE, YEAH.
I DON'T, I PUT IT OUT THERE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO IS THERE AN AMENDMENT UNTIL THE MOTION? ARE YOU AMENDING IT? SO JUST SAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AMENDMENT.
I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE FIRST MOTION TO NOT TO INCLUDE, TO INCLUDE THE, UH, OPTION THREE, WHICH IS TO ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO CAST CITIES ALL 195 VOTES FOR CANDIDATE JANE HOUSTON.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION, UH, TO REPLACE, UH, NORA PUENTE AND MEREDITH SHAW WITH JANE HOUSTON.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT THE MOTION WAS.
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I REALLY THINK THE, THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO SPLIT THE VOTES.NOW HE'S TAKING ALL THE VOTES.
SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, WE WOULD HAVE TO RECANT THE FIRST MOTION FROM SWING THE VOTES.
'CAUSE YOU'RE DOING AWAY WITH THEM TO DO THIS.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.
I GENERALLY VIEW AMENDMENTS AS STACKING ON TOP OF ORIGINAL MOTIONS ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES.
AND SO IF THERE'S AN, A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THEN THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND, THE AMENDED MOTION GETS VOTED ON FIRST.
IF IT IS PASSED, IT BECOMES THE ORIGINAL MOTION, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD VOTE FOR IT AGAIN.
WE ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE.
ANOTHER THIRD OPTION COULD BE TO JUST SPLIT 'EM ALL THREE.
'CAUSE THIS DOES NOT MATTER THAT MUCH.
AND I, I'M NOT SURE WHY STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ONE VERSUS THE OTHER WITH IS THERE A RATIONALE FOR IT OR JUST YES, SIR.
THERE IS A RATIONALE, WHICH IS JANE HUE REPRESENTS CITY OF SAN MARCO.
SO THE VESTED INTEREST OF A CITY REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO OURS AS COMPARED TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE THE CASE.
SO THE MOTION TO AMEND, BUT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS LET'S JUST CAST THEM ALL THREE AND THEN BE DONE.
OR LET'S JUST GO WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.
ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, OR ON THE AMENDED MOTION.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO VOTE NATE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS JUST THE WRONG PROCESS.
UH, SO NOW WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO SCHOOL DISTRICT CANDIDATES.
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NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21.UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, POSTPONE THAT ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO ANY, ANYONE? OBJECT? IT'S HIS ITEM.