[III.1. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the potential construction of a multipurpose community center. (Item Presenter: Jesse Elizondo, Assistant City Manager)]

COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED. OUR NEXT STEP IS, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE REPORTS AND PRESENTATION RECEIVE A REPORT HOLD A DISCUSSION PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTI PURPOSE COMMUNITY CENTER. THOUGHT MAYBE BEFORE YOU GO, I COULD GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF SOME BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT FOR WHAT WE'RE HERE. SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING THIS MORNING. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WERE EXPECTING, UH, THE CROWD, BUT IT'S ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS WELCOME, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE FOLKS WHO ARE COMING ARE COMING TO ENGAGE ON THE TOPIC THAT MATTERS THAT GOT US ALL OUT OF BED THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW TO COME HERE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE HERE FOR THE PURPOSE THAT YOU'RE HERE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO HANDLE A COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. UH, IF YOU GO BACK TO 2016, UH FOR THE SENIORS WERE, UM, ACTIVE AND ENGAGED THERE. ALTHOUGH MAYBE NOT IN QUITE THE SAME NUMBERS. UH BUT WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR ALL THE WAY BACK THEN THAT A SENIOR CENTER WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. WHICH IS WHY, UH, GIVEN OUR LIMITED RESOURCES AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE PRETTY MUCH VACATED OUR CAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CREW ACTIVITY CENTER IN ORDER TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE SENIORS, AND THEN YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THAT COMES AT A COST RIGHT BECAUSE THAT FACILITY CAN BE USED FOR LOTS OF PURPOSES THAT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. BUT THE COUNCIL THE TIME CHOSE TO PRIORITIZE IN AS MUCH AS WE FELT LIKE LOGISTICALLY WE COULD ALLOWING FOR THE SENIORS TO USE THE KRUG ACTIVITY CENTER. UH, ALL OF THAT, UH, AS A MEANS TO HELP PRODUCE A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION, NOT ONLY FOR THE SENIORS, BUT FOR OTHER NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT HAS TAKEN SOME TIME. BECAUSE UH UH, IN 2020, AS I'VE MENTIONED TO THE GROUP BEFORE, UH, IN IN RATHER THAN GOING TO TRY TO, UH, USE OUR LIMITED RESOURCES TO CONSTRUCT A COMMUNITY CENTER OR A SENIOR CENTER. WE FELT LIKE THE PRIORITY NEEDED TO BE OUR ROADS. UH AND SO WE TOOK FORWARD A. UM UH, I'M SORRY IN 2020. THE PRIORITY WAS THE POLICE. UH YOU

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KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF IRONIC, BECAUSE WHEN YOU WHENEVER YOU DO POLLING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR CITIZEN POLLING DISCUSSION THAT WE DO EVERY EVERY YEAR. WE SEND OUT FEEDBACK. UH THE POLLING WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PUBLIC THE MAJORITY THE VOTING PUBLIC WAS INTERESTED IN A NEW POLICE STATION WAS ALMOST AT THE VERY LAST RIGHT NEXT TO THE SENIOR CENTER. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BAD SIDE, THE DARK SIDE OF THIS BECAUSE THE PO THE POPULACE AT LARGE, DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO INVEST IN THINGS THAT DON'T DIRECTLY BENEFIT THEM, SO WE HAD TO GET REAL SERIOUS ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO SET UP FOR A BOND TO ALLOW FOR THE POLICE, UH, TO HAVE THE FACILITIES THAT THEY NEED, AND IT TOOK TIME WE EVEN WAITED AN ENTIRE YEAR WHILE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING. WE'RE IN SPACE TOO SMALL. UH, WE'RE A VITAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE? WE NEED TO HAVE RESOURCES INVESTED INTO US ORGANIZATIONALLY SO THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE OUR OUR PURPOSE, SO WE WERE FINALLY ABLE TO DO THAT AND THEN FAST FORWARD TWO YEARS TO 2022. IT'S LIKE ALL RIGHT, WELL, NOW MAYBE THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR US TO PURSUE A SENIOR CENTER OR A COMMUNITY CENTER. UH BUT THE TRUTH IS, IT WASN'T BECAUSE OUR ROADS WERE, UH, CONTINUING TO DETERIORATE, AND WE NEED YOU TO FOCUS ON, UH, GETTING THE RESOURCES TOGETHER TO BRING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR ROADS . SO THE SENIOR CENTER WAS AGAIN PUT ON HOLD AND THAT MAY I'M LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE TREATMENT WE DESERVE. BUT AGAIN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD TO WAIT 68 YEARS WE HAD A WE HAVE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE ALSO SAYING THE SAME THINGS TO US. THEY NEED BIGGER FACILITIES. MORE SPACE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT THEY WE REALLY NEED A RECREATION CENTER. SOMETHING LIKE THE Y, UH, SPORTSPLEX PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD ANY CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN IN A GROWING CITY LIKE OURS. THE ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE THAT A NEED FOR IT. SO IS I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN WE REALLY SAT DOWN AND AS A AS A COUNCIL, UH, AND WITH THE COMMUNITY AND STARTED HAVING TALK, UH, AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ART, RIGHT? HERE COMES 2024. WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO MAKE AN IMPACT. WHAT WHAT IS THAT GONNA WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR US? HOW ARE WE GONNA APPROACH IT? UH AND THE APPROACH HAS BEEN UP UNTIL THIS POINT TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET READY TO CALL FOR A 2024 GENERAL ELECTION PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. GONNA HAVE 15 20,000 PEOPLE GETTING TO COME. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S REAL VOTERS. THAT'S THAT'S THE BIGGEST CROSS SECTION OF THE VOTER BASE THAT WE CAN HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE PUBLIC WEIGH IN AND WE WANNA BE READY AND WHAT BEING READY MEANS IS THAT WE HAVE TO CALL A BOND BY AUGUST, UH, AND TO CALL A BOND BY AUGUST MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME BASIC NUMBERS. UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME BASIC DESIGNS. WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY A LOCATION. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COMPONENTS ARE GOING TO GO IN THIS BUILDING. UH AND THAT'S A LOT. TO DO SO I THINK THERE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME ELEMENTS OF THIS FACILITY. UH, THAT THE DIFFERENT FOLKS MIGHT WANT US TO HAVE EXACTLY FIGURED OUT BEFORE WE CALLED THE BOND IN AUGUST, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, AUGUST IS FIVE MONTHS AWAY, AND SO IN TERMS OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S JUST A SNAP OF THE FINGER OR BLINK OF AN EYE. IT'S COMING VERY, VERY FAST. AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS MISS THE WINDOW IN AUGUST TO CALL TO CALL A BOND. IF THAT IS INDEED THE WILL THE WILL OF COUNSEL, UH BECAUSE WE DO THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION NEXT MAY , OR WE HAVE TO PUSH IT TO AN OFF YEAR ELECTION NEXT NOVEMBER, AND IN MY OPINION BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF SEEING THE BONDS THAT THE ENTIRE REGION HAS PUT FORWARD OVER THE LAST 567 YEARS, THAT THE BEST CHANCE WE HAVE OF GETTING WHAT WE WANT IS TO CALL THE BOND FOR THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE THE MOST FOLKS ARE GONNA COME IN. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO READ , PROCESS THE INFORMATION AND MAKE A VOTE BASED ON WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD OR NOT. SO MY ONLY PLEAD WITH THE WITH THE AND WITH THE SENIORS IN PARTICULAR IS TO BE PATIENT WITH US. BUT YOU ALSO PLEASE BE ADAPTABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE HARD DISCUSSIONS TO FIGURE OUT. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS SIZE SCOPE. AND IF THE IF THE CONVERSATION IS ALL ABOUT AND THIS IS WHAT I WE TALKED WITH THE POLICE ABOUT WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WERE WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD. IT'S LIKE LET'S FIND A WAY TO HAVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE COME TOGETHER AND CREATE A BETTER SOLUTION THAN IF ANY ONE PROBLEM WAS SOLVED ON ITS OWN AT THE EXCLUSION OF OTHERS. SO THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS OUTSIDE OF A SENIOR CENTER. I THINK THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TRY TO MAKE AN IMPACT, UH AND TO DELIVER TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T THINK AT ANY POINT THAT IT SHOULD BE AT THE EXCLUSION OF A SENIOR CENTER. IF THAT MAKES SENSE, THE SENIOR CENTER NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION. IT'S JUST NOT THE ONLY PART. SO UM, WITH THAT, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOME HEADWAY HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION WITH LOZANO. THANK YOU. JUST MADE MY JOB. LOT EASIER ON THIS PRESENTATION. THE BACKGROUND OF HISTORY. I THINK, UH, YOU SPOKE BETTER THAN I

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COULD, UM I. I JUST WENT BACK TO THE 2023 DIS WORKSHOP. AND THE FRAMEWORK OF A MULTIFUNCTIONAL FACILITY WAS WAS HEAVILY DISCUSSED THAT YOU GUYS ALL IDENTIFIED SERVICE OPERATIONALLY FROM WITHIN THE CITY. LIKE YOU WERE SAYING MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. FAMILY RECREATION CENTER APPLIES SPACE RECEIVERS, ADDITIONAL LIBRARY SPACE PARK COMMUNITY SPACE. TO EXPAND THIS SCHOOL. THE ONE THING THAT REALLY DID COME THROUGH AND THAT I'VE HEARD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT THIS FACILITY IS IT IS IT WILL BE A PREMIER FACILITY. UM, JUST LIKE OUR PARKS THAT WE BUILT RECENTLY OF MULTI AWARD WINNING, UH, HEROES MEMORIAL DAY, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. SO THANK YOU, MARCO. I'LL START UP. NO KIDDING. UM OH, YEAH. SORRY. UH, NEXT SLIDE, UH, GRANT UM AS WELL AS, UH, OUR AWARD WINNING PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. UH, THE IT'S UM YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN KYLE IS PREMIER. AND UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE WHATEVER IT IS. THE PURPOSE IS GREATER ENGAGEMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. I'VE PUT SOME JUST SOME, UH, AWARD WINNING MULTI-PURPOSE FACILITIES ON THESE SLIDES TO JUST FOR REFERENCE. THAT ONE'S IN FRISCO. UH, THE NEXT NEXT SLIDE. SO BECAUSE THIS IS A INFORMAL DISCUSSION WITH COUNSEL, UM, I. I FIGURED WE'D DO THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY RATHER THAN ME GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR THREE MAIN THINGS.

MAYOR THAT YOU OUTLINED VERY WELL. THE FACILITY USE. HOW IS IT GONNA BE USED? WHAT'S GONNA BE IN IT? TRY AND NARROW DOWN THAT SCOPE TO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE WON'T TRY. WE WON'T GET INTO THE ACTUAL, THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OR HOW MUCH WE YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE.

WE COULD HAVE PROVIDED A BREAKDOWN OF A RECREATION CENTER IS GENERALLY THIS BIG. AQUATIC CENTER IS GENERALLY THAT BIG, BUT BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THAT DIRECTION. TODAY WE REALLY JUST NEED THE DIRECTION OF WHAT WILL THIS FACILITY BE USED FOR? UH, WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THIS FACILITY? THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 60 70,000 SQUARE FEET BETWEEN THAT AND 100 100 20 130,000 SQUARE FEET DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH IS IN THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THAT TODAY. THAT'S THAT'S FOR FUTURE NEXT STEPS. UH, ADDITIONALLY WE'LL TALK ABOUT FUNDING AND TIMELINE. AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT LOCATION. BUT BEFORE WE JUMP TO THOSE, UH, GRANT, YOU CAN GO BACK AND JUST STAY ON THE FACILITY USE. THANKS. UM I FIGURED WE WOULD TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME. SO WE'D INTRODUCED THE FACILITY USE CONCEPTUALLY. WHAT'S THE FACILITY'S PLAN USES HERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THESE THINGS. IT CAN BE OTHER THINGS.

UM AND THEN I WOULD, UH I WOULD OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION . AND ONCE WE FEEL WE'VE GOTTEN GOOD DIRECTION AND CONSENSUS ON THIS, WE'LL MOVE ON TO FUNDING AND TIMELINE. WHAT? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT APPROACH? WOULD YOU WOULD YOU RATHER ME HIT THEM ALL AND COME BACK? GOOD, OK? SO I WOULD SAY HISTORICALLY, I THINK THE CONVERSATION REGARDING THIS FACILITY IS THREE COMPONENTS SENIOR CENTER ACTIVITY CENTER OR SLASH REC CENTER. UM AND, UH UH, A LIBRARY ANNEX OR A LIBRARY EXTENSION. IT DOES. DOES ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS ON THOSE THREE YOU READY? LET'S GO. OH, BOY. HERE WE GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OK, UM SO I THINK A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT I THINK THAT THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE A PURPOSE DRIVEN DESIGN TO THINK WHAT WE'RE LACKING. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT UM, THE LIBRARY COMPONENT AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THAT WE'RE GOING TO RELOCATE THE CURRENT LIBRARY BUT MAYBE HAVING AN EXPANSION ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING DEFINITELY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE SENIOR CENTER. NEXT WOULD BE TO HAVE MULTI USE SPACE LIKE PLANNING FOR FLEXIBLE AREAS . JUST THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER.

UM ANTICIPATING TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES AND ALLOW FOR SPACES TO BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT FOR MEETINGS OR CONFERENCES. WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING FROM HOME AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA GO DOWN ANYTIME SOON. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS SIGN THAT, UM, ALSO HAS EXPANSION CAPABILITIES. SO THE MORE WE GROW IF WE WANNA KEEP ADDING TO IT THAT WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM DEFINITELY TO HAVE A SENIOR COMPONENT. UM BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE A YOUTH COMPONENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET KAYAK INVOLVED AND SEE. WHAT ARE WE LACKING THAT OUR USE IS IN NEED? UH, WHAT IS SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS FACILITY? UM PARTS SHOULD DEFINITELY BE INVOLVED BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS AND LACK

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OF SPACE. SO SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING FITNESS CENTER, MAYBE POTENTIAL FOR AQUATICS ROOM THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. WHAT IS OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY LACKING? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DO A LOT OF PROGRAMS, UM, NOT TO TAKE THE SPACE FROM THE SENIORS TO DO IT, BUT SO THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT SPACES FOR EVERYBODY. UH NEXT. UH, I DO KNOW ALSO THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AN INDOOR BASKETBALL COURT. BECAUSE BECAUSE, PARKS SAYS EVEN ASKED MY SCHOOL FOR THE RENTAL OF THE, UM, FACILITY, SO THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER NEXT, UM UM, BASKETBALL COURTS? MM MM MM. UM ANOTHER THING THAT I FEEL LIKE IT WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC DISPLAY PLACES POTENTIAL FOR EXHIBITIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO GET OUR SCHOOL OR AC IC INVOLVED INTO THIS. UM I AM CRAZY ABOUT MUSEUMS. AND ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LIKE A NATIONAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN HERE, I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE A, UH, SOMETHING WE WILL GET, BUT AT LEAST HAVING FOR EXHIBITIONS, WHETHER IT'S FROM A SCHOOL OR FROM ANY COMPANY TO COME, AND HAVE SOME WORK DISPLAY ARTISTIC DISPLAY. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. UM NEXT. UH I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THERE ARE THERE IS A HUGE LACK OF UM PLACES FOR YOU TO TAKE LITTLE CHILDREN THAT ARE INDOOR. SO IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT HAS LIKE A DO MY MUSEUM KIND OF FLOOR WHERE YOU HAVE A PLAY AND LEARN ENVIRONMENT THAT IT'S ALSO OPEN FOR KIDS THAT HAVE, UM SENSORY DISABILITIES. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IT. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MOST BECAUSE I'M GLAD I HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE BIG. BUT WHEN I WAS A MOM OF LITTLE ONES, I HAD SUBSCRIPTIONS TO AQUARIUMS, MUSEUMS, LIBRARIES , EVERYTHING THAT I COULD TAKE MY KIDS, AND I THINK WE HAVE NONE OF THAT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR LIBRARY, UM, COFFEE SHOP, FOOD OPTIONS FOR SURE. UM NOW WHEN WE NEED TO TALK, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT BUDGETING RIGHT NOW, OR DO I NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT? YOU GO FOR IT. FEEL FREE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY THAT I. I DON'T WANNA JUST BE SAYING SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER. WE'RE TALKING WELL, WE'RE JUST TALKING HIGH LEVEL AS FAR AS THE BOND AND HOW MUCH MONEY BUT IF YOU WANNA IF YOU WANNA DIG INTO IT WITH THE IN THIS DISCUSSION, GO FOR IT. I JUST, UM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET. WHAT ARE WE, INCLUDING IN THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAINTENANCE AND ALSO THE ACCESSIBILITY LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE BUILDING ROADS TO ACCESS THE FACILITY, WHICH PROBABLY WE HAVE TO DO KNOWING HOW EXPENSIVE THEY ARE, BECAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE WORLD BOND AND WE KNOW LIKE A MILE IS LIKE THREE POINT SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INCLUDING ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S IT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PRIDE IN ME. I'VE HAD LARYNGITIS ALL WEEK. UM BUT IT'S BETTER NOW. FORTUNATELY THOUGH, IT DOESN'T SOUND THAT WAY. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE RELATED TO THE SENIOR CENTER. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAMPAIGNED ON WAS DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT AND OF THE SENIOR CENTER. I AM A PROUD MEMBER OF CS. UM I'M PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY GRAY HAIR ON THE COUNCIL AND FEEL A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY TO THE 22% OF OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE SENIOR. KYLE.

UM I ATTEND CAS A REGULARLY AND I KNOW THE DIFFICULTIES WE ARE HAVING, UM, WITH OUR CURRENT FACILITY, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THOSE TO BE ADDRESSED AND ELIMINATED WHEN WE GET THE NEW FACILITY, WHICH WE WILL HAVE A NEW FACILITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE TRULY NEED IS A KITCHEN AND, UH, AN AREA SUFFICIENT TO SERVE AT LEAST 200 PEOPLE. WE TURN PEOPLE AWAY ON TUESDAYS, WHICH IS THE ONLY DAY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE LUNCHES. UM WE CONSISTENTLY TURN PEOPLE AWAY FOR A SPECIAL EVENTS . WE HAVE TO DO TICKETING EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE FREE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A LIMITED SPACE AND WE TRADITIONALLY UH WELL, NOT TRADITIONALLY, WE ALWAYS TURN PEOPLE AWAY THAT WOULD LOVE TO ATTEND. THOSE EVENTS WERE JUST TOO SMALL BY A LONG SHOT. UM OUR MEMBERSHIP HAS EXPLODED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND THE CENTER IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL FOR THESE PEOPLE. UH, THE KITCHEN, I THINK IS AN ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT COMPONENT. UM MANY OF OUR

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SENIORS ARE FOOD INSECURE. AND COMING TO ONE LUNCHEON WHERE THEY HAVE TO PAY $6. ANYWAY UM AND MAYBE PAYING FOR TRANSPORTATION AS WELL TO GET THERE. UM FOR MANY, HE IS A BURDEN. UM THEY ARE FEDERAL FUNDS AVAILABLE IF WE HAVE A KITCHEN, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE PROFITABLE FOR US, SO, UM, ABOUT $14 PER MEAL IS ABOUT AT FEMA IS PLAYING RIGHT NOW, UH, IN USDA, SO THAT WOULD BE A VERY REASONABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FIGHT MEALS FIVE DAYS A WEEK IN OUR OWN KITCHEN. HOW MANY SENIOR SENATORS DO THIS? I'VE GOT EXPERIENCE WITH SENIOR SENATORS IN TARRANT COUNTY. UM ALMOST ALL OF THEM THAT I HAD EXPERIENCED WITH PROVIDED FIVE DAYS A WEEK. MEALS ON A SLIDING SCALE OR FREE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M SO CONCERNED WITH IS HOW, UM BLUE ZONES WAS MENTIONED. I'M A BIG BLUE ZONES ADVOCATE ALSO IN AAA RP, LIVABLE COMMUNITIES ADVOCATE AND IT, UM THEIR LIVABILITY INDEX CAME OUT A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND KYLE IS BELOW AVERAGE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW AVERAGE ON THE LIVABILITY INDEX, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE BELOW AVERAGE ON WITH SERVICES TO SENIORS, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEGLECTED LONG ENOUGH. UM WE NEED TO HAVE ADEQUATE SERVICES. WE NEED TO HAVE A SPACE THAT WE ARE GUARANTEED AS OUR SPACE. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE NOW IS THE COMBINED SPACE WHERE WE THINK WE'VE GOT THE SPACE AND WE DON'T. UM YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SENIORS NOT BE ABLE TO USE THEIR FACILITY DURING, UH, SPRING BREAK CAMP IS A PROBLEM. UM BUT UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE FACILITIES. SO THIS WILL BE, UM, A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE SENIORS TO HAVE THEIR OWN FACILITY. I DON'T REALLY CARE SO MUCH IF HIS ATTACHED OR DETACHED , UM OR ON THAT CAMPUS OR A DIFFERENT CAMPUS PERSONALLY, UM, WHAT I WANNA SEE IS THAT THE SENIORS HAVE CONTROL OVER THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE FACILITY HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO WE DO.

WE'RE TURNING AWAY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO FREE ACTIVITIES FOR THE SENIORS. WE'RE USING THE LIBRARY. WE'RE USING EVERY PLACE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR SENIOR ACTIVITIES AND STILL TURNING AWAY IS COOL WANTS TO DO MORE AND MORE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE FREE FOR THE SENIORS, AND WE CAN'T FIND PLACES FOR THEM. SO WE THIS IS A THIS IS ACTUALLY A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR THE SENIORS.

THIS IS A UM AS OUR SENIORS SPOKE A FEW MINUTES AGO. UM I APPRECIATE THE PARTICIPATION. WE DO PARTICIPATE. UM AND I APPRECIATE THE ELOQUENCE WITH WHICH THEY STATED THE CASE FOR THE SENIOR CENTER AND HOW MUCH THERE IS FOR THAT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANYBODY HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OK CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ALL RIGHT, THE MICROPHONE. I'M HAVING TROUBLE I AM THEIR FACES ARE TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE MICS IN ORDER TO WELL WITH WITH ALL RESPECT, IF YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, MA'AM, THERE'S RIGHT. IT'S RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE SPEAKER. IF YOU NEED TO HEAR IT ON THAT END BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT AS LONG AS CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW, OK? OK UM, I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND I DON'T WANNA GO TOO FAR INTO THIS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF COMMUNITY CENTERS AND WHY WE NEED THEM MORE THAN EVER.

EMPOWERING YOUTH, STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS, PROVIDING LIFE ENRICHING PROGRAMS FOR A LIVABLE COMMUNITY. OK THEY SERVE AS LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHILE THE PRESSURE OF THE PANDEMIC DECLINES YEARS OF A SOCIETY EXPERIENCING HIGH MENTAL HEALTH PHYSICAL ILLNESS ASSOCIATED WITH LONG TERM CONDITIONS AND THE AGING POPULATION. SO AS WE BEGIN OUR CONVERSATIONS, SOME KEY FACTORS I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS WHILE WE'RE BUILDING A MISSION STATEMENT AND AT THE SAME TIME DEVELOP STRATEGIES TO INCLUDE ALL FUNDING OPTIONS. FEASIBLE SITE, LOCATION AND BUILDING PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN THEIR BUSINESSES, COUNTY INVOLVEMENT AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS. COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE A PLACE OF COURSE TO MEET AND CONNECT WHETHER IT'S FOR FITNESS OR RECREATION. A PLACE TO BELONG, A PLACE FOR FAMILIES AND SO FORTH. THEY ARE ALSO MUST BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A DESIGNED TO PROMOTE A VARIETY OF IMMENSE USAGE FOR A COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

NOW I KNOW I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT THE SENIORS AND THE SENIORS, WHICH IS TRUE. YOU DESERVE THAT. BUT WE ALSO AS COUNSEL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. COMMUNITY CENTER SHOULD ALSO BE A GATHERING PLACES FOR ALL AGES. AND THEY CAN ALSO LIKE WHAT, UH,

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MISS PARSI HAD SAID COULD BE HOST LARGER GATHERINGS. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CITY CONFERENCES, EVENTS, INCLUDING SUMMER PROGRAMMING IN CAMPS. UH THAT IS NEEDED AS WELL. IT ALSO PROVIDES, UH, AN AREA FOR SENIORS TO HAVE A SECTION THAT INCORPORATES MANY TYPES OF, UH, ACTIVITIES AND CONCESSIONS FOR MEALS, WHICH I'VE HEARD ABOUT SPACE FOR FITNESS STUDIO AND ALSO FOR EXERCISING, UH, AREAS FOR SENIORS AS WELL. SO WITH THE GROWTH IN OUR CITY REACHING ALMOST 60,000 AND THE IDEA OF THE CITY OF KYLE COMMUNITY CENTERS, POPULATION IS DECREASING. WE AS COUNSEL HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE. FINANCING A PROJECT THIS MAGNITUDE IS VITAL AND IMPORTANT TO THE TAXPAYERS OF OUR CITY. HOWEVER KEEPING THE FUTURE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR CITIES SHOULD ALSO BE AT THE FOREFRONT AS WELL. SO WITH ANYTHING IS WHAT I'M HEARING IS.

THESE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS. THESE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS THAT WE NEED, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SENIORS, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN WHAT? I'VE ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH AND WITH MY FAMILY IS THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A DOLLAR ATTACHED TO THIS.

FUNDING IS GOING TO BE THE MAJOR MAJOR ISSUE. WITH ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S A NEW CAR, WHETHER IT'S PROVIDING FOR SERVICES BECAUSE THIS WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE A BUDGETED ITEM LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE SENIORS, AND I THINK I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MISS CONLEY BEFORE ABOUT FUNDING WHENEVER IF IT'S YOU HAD YOUR OWN FACILITY. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WATER HEATER GOES OUT? WHO PROVIDES THOSE FUNDINGS WHENEVER THE TAXES NEED TO BE PAID, AND WHO PROVIDES THOSE SO I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD FIRST IN MY OPINION, FOCUS ON IS THE SITE LOCATION. THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD FOCUS FIRST ON THE SITE LOCATION. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THE FUNDING FOR ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE MS PARSLEY WAS SAYING. THE ROADS, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE ABLE TO BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND MORE EASIER. I KNOW WE HAD BROUGHT UP SOMETHING BEFORE OVER THERE OFF OF DAISY AND PEOPLE MAY HAVE LOOKED AT IT, BUT IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND SO FORTH. ALSO BRINGING FORTH THE NUMBERS. WE GOTTA SEE THE NUMBERS. WHERE ARE WE AT? WE JUST GOT FINISHED DOING THE BOND CORRECT? ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO FOR THE ROAD BOND. I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHERE OUR MONEY IS ON THAT END. BECAUSE AGAIN IF WE BRING THIS FORWARD TO A BOND THAT'S GONNA BE A POSSIBLE TAX INCREASE. AND FOR SENIORS WHO ARE ALSO LIVING ON A VERY LIMITED BUDGET. GUESS WHAT? THAT WOULD ALSO BE IN TAX INCREASE ON YOUR END AS WELL. SO WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND LOOK AT AND SEE WHERE THE NUMBERS LIE. I WOULD LIKE TO VERY LIKE TO SEE WHERE THAT'S AT. THESE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR THE CITY AND FOR OUR SENIORS AND ALSO FOR THE SUMMER CAMPS BECAUSE THEY ARE DESPERATELY NEEDING SPACE FOR CAMPS AND OTHER STUFF. INDOOR BASKETBALL CONFERENCE ROOMS. WE ALREADY HAVE A TASK FORCE IN PLACE FOR A SPORTSPLEX. SO YOU HAVE THAT PROJECT GOING FORWARD. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE SHOULD DO. FIRST THE NUMBER ONE THING IS TO DECIDE ON A SITE LOCATION BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE IT WAS AT TOBIAS AND WE CAME BACK AND SAID THAT LAND WAS AT OF NO USE ANYWAYS, AND WE HAD TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THE OLD THE OLD LAKE. WHAT WAS THAT CALLED? YEAH. SO I THINK STARTING ON THE CONVERSATION WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE LIKE I SAID THE STRUCTURE THE CONCEPT, THE DESIGN, COMBINING OR NOT COMBINING A SENIOR CITIZEN WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION REC CENTER. I THINK NARROWING DOWN THE SITE LOCATION COULD REALLY HELP US FIRST TO SEE WHAT SIDE IF IT'S EAST WEST, PROBABLY EAST SIDE. WHAT AREA? WHERE'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALSO WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE AT TO SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING THAT LARGE AND GO FROM THERE? YOU'RE YOU'RE ALL OVER IT. YOU'RE ALL OVER IT, SO I I'M SURE THERE'S A SLIDE PRESENTATION, TALKING ABOUT THE DEBT STRUCTURE AND ALL OF THAT. LET'S LET'S SUMMARIZE IT IN ONE SENTENCE. UM, WE ORIGINALLY TOOK OUT IN 20. 22 $294 MILLION BOND WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT OUR MAX TAX RATE WOULD BE 59 CENTS. THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTIONS WERE THAT THE GROWTH IN THE CITY WOULD BE MODERATE. WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT. SO I THINK SETH AND WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION IS GONNA SAY THAT AS LONG AS WE'RE STILL WILLING TO GO TO THE 59, NOT MORE THAN WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO AROUND THE 70 $75 MILLION BOND, SO I THINK THAT'S AS LONG AS CONCEPTUALLY YOU'RE WILLING TO SAY THE ORIGINAL NUMBER THAT THE VOTERS APPROVED OF A POTENTIAL MAX TAX RATE OF 59 CENTS IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS A REASONABLE NUMBER. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ROUGHLY

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70 TO 75 MILLION PUT IN, AND THEN THE THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO LOCATIONS. WHICH I THINK ARE ALSO IN THE OUTLINE. ONE IS, UH, CAL VISTA PARK BY CHAPA. THEY'RE BOTH IN THE OVER TO YOUR DISTRICT. ONE IS CALVES. THE PARK BY CHAPA AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE CONTRACT WHICH WE DON'T ACTUALLY OWN YET, BUT WE NOW ARE OFFICIALLY IN CONTRACT. UH ON THE 80 ACRES, UH, NEXT TO LAKE KENSINGTON OR WHATEVER WE WOULD WHATEVER WE CALL IT RIGHT NEXT TO KENSINGTON, RIGHT NEXT TO SEATON. SO THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH BOTH, BUT I THINK BOTH SIDES ARE 20 PLUS ACRES, SO I THINK WE WOULD HAVE OF SPACE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT, AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN REALLY FOCUSING IN THAT AREA, AND I WANNA THANK THE COUNTY AND EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL FOR THE SUPPORT FOR BB AND DAISY AND ALSO TWO YEARS AGO, FINDING THE FUNDING TO PUT THOSE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THE CHOPPER BECAUSE WE KNEW I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL. WE WOULD BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

SO LET'S IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND THE ACTUAL IF WE CAN IDENTIFY THE LOCATION, SO LET'S PUT IT TO A GENERAL DISCUSSION. DO WE HAVE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH ON DAISY? OR IS THERE A THIRD OPTION THAT SOMEBODY WANTS US TO CONSIDER FOR A LOCATION? DO WE HAVE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN THE LAKE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE? UH OR CALL VISTA PARK, WHICH WE ALL ALREADY OWN, WHICH IS DEDICATED AS PARKLAND. AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE ARE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS TO THAT ONE, BUT COMES FROM HAUSER. WELL, I'M NOT REALLY READY TO WEIGH IN YET ON THAT QUESTION, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD UNTIL WE CONCEPTUALLY SEE I COULD BE TALKED OUT OF THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CHICKEN BEFORE THE EGG TRYING TO IDENTIFY A LOCATION BEFORE WE HAVE ANY SEMBLANCE OF AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON THE PROPERTY. WE DON'T KNOW THE SPACE. WE SAY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE BOTH DECISIONS. AND WE DO.

UM BUT JUST IN IN REGARD TO THE SENIORS WHO ARE HERE IN A LARGE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BROUGHT UP BEFORE, AND WE'RE STILL NOT REALLY HAVING THE RIGHT CONVERSATION. I DON'T THINK, UM YOU KNOW? THE SENIORS. ARE NOT A CITY ENTITY. AND SO TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IN GOOD FAITH ABOUT WHERE A SENIOR CENTER FALLS IN THE CITY'S LIST OF PRIORITIES. I THINK IS GONNA FALL FLAT HERE. I THINK THAT THE QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER IN SENIORS THAT YOU SHOULD BE PUTTING TO US IS. DO YOU WANT TO BE A CITY ENTITY, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT MAKE US MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR INVESTING? IS MORE MONEY INTO BUILDING YOU A STAND ALONE FACILITY THAT YOU WANT. BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE CONVERSATION WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS , CAN WE I IS, YES. WE WANT TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR YOU IN A FACILITY, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE WANTING. AND I SEE YOU GUYS SHAKING YOUR HEADS. UM I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND ASK IF RESIDENTS WOULD RATHER HAVE A LARGE INVESTMENT IN ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE OR A SEA, A STAND ALONE SENIOR CENTER AND I THINK TO THEM WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING EARLIER, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT YOU WON'T LIKE THE ANSWER. SO I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT YOU GUYS ASKING YOU SAYING TO YOU THAT I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT YOU DESERVE. BUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CS AND THE CITY WOULD NEED TO CHANGE IN ORDER FOR THIS GOVERNING BODY HERE TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT THIS DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF THE LIST OF PRIORITIES.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA VILLAINIZE ME FOR SAYING THIS, BUT I'VE SAID IT TO A GROUP OF YOU BEFORE, AND SOME OF SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE ROOM DIDN'T KNOW THAT CAS WASN'T A PART OF THE CITY. AND DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT Y'ALL HAVE WITH THE CITY THAT YOU GET THAT SPACE FOR FREE. AND SO THERE'S THERE ARE DYNAMICS. I THINK THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS RELATIONSHIP SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH TO TRY TO DELIVER ON THE MANY PROMISES THAT THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO YOU OVER THE YEARS. SO THAT'S THE ONE THING UM IN TERMS OF A REC CENTER. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE IDENTIFIED NEEDS, UM TO MIS PARSLEY'S POINT EARLIER, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS SEARCHED FAR AND WIDE FOR SPACE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS, INDOOR YOUTH PROGRAMS, AND WE DON'T HAVE IT. UH, WE HAVE CONDUCTED FEASIBILITY STUDIES. FOR UH, ATHLETIC PROGRAMS IN OUR CITY, AND, UH, BASKETBALL AND VOLLEYBALL WERE TWO OF THE SPORTS THAT POPULATED UH, HIGHEST ON THE LIST OF NEEDS . SO I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS, UH, AS WE GROW AND GROW AND GROW , AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE MORE, BOTH OUTDOOR AND INDOOR

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OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT, UM IN THOSE SPACES ARE ALSO MULTI USE, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HOLD. UH, A VARIETY OF EVENTS. IN THE LIBRARY. UM YEAH. I RAN TALKING WHEN I RAN I. I TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR A LIBRARY. UM ON THE EAST SIDE, AND I STAND BY THAT TODAY, AND I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NEED, UH, FOR US TO HAVE A SPACE A DEDICATED SPACE IN THIS NEW FACILITY. UM THAT HAS THAT THAT SERVES AS A LIBRARY AND ALSO HAS A FREE INTERNET ACCESS. SO, UM OF THE THREE THINGS THAT WE LAID OUT I. THOSE WERE THE THREE RIGHT SENIOR CENTER REC CENTER. LIBRARY WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. THE QUESTION WAS, WHICH SPOT IS WELL, I KNOW, BUT I I'LL I'LL GET THERE. I'LL GET THERE AFTER EVERYONE ELSE. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT THE QUESTION YOU WERE ASKING IS LIKE, WHAT ARE WE THINK IT WOULD BE THE BEST LOCATION FOR THIS? AND SO THINK ABOUT THE REC CENTER. UH COMPONENT, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE'RE PURSUING. ONE OF THE PROJECTS IS A SENIOR CENTER. ONE OF THEM IS, UH, EXPANSION OF OUR SPORTS FACILITIES, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED IS NEEDED.

BUT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THREE DIFFERENT VIABLE SITES AND SOME FUNDING FOR SPORTS RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE THE BRICK AND MORTAR DISTRICT WHERE WE HAVE SOME FUNDING. UH, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT WITH THE COUNTY ON THE EAST SIDE. THE NHO FIELDS BLACK STAR HAS REACHED OUT SAYING THEY'D LIKE TO POTENTIALLY SHARE. UH, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE PRIVILEGED AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE ARE INDOOR FACILITIES WITH EXTERNAL OPERATORS. WHICH KIND OF GOES AGAINST THE ARGUMENT OF YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOME INDOOR PROJECTS. BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS IF WE SAY OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT INDOOR REC FACILITIES AT THIS LOCATION BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON A DEAL POTENTIALLY WITH SOMEONE ELSE. IF THAT DEAL FALLS THROUGH, AND WE DIDN'T PURSUE THIS SPORTSPLEX, WE COULD FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE DIDN'T SOLVE THE INDOOR, YOU KNOW, BASKETBALL VOLLEYBALL. PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE SENIORS HAVE, UH, SPACE NEEDS AND FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING UNDERSERVED. OUR KIDS ARE BEING UNDERSERVED, MAJORLY. WE HAVE NO SPORTS INFRASTRUCTURE IN IN OUR CITY OF 60,000 PEOPLE, AND SO OUR KIDS DON'T HAVE THINGS TO DO EITHER. SO IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE FIND A WAY TO TAKE THESE PROBLEMS AND TRY TO SOLVE THEM? WE HAVE. WE GOT ONE SHOT AT THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAXIMIZE THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A 2024? BOND SO TO YOUR QUESTION OF WHERE THE LOCATION SHOULD BE, I THINK, UM A CENTRAL POINT. WILL BE THE BEST NUMBER TWO SOMETHING THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CENTER TO BE EXPANDED. I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE IMPORTANT WHEN WE ARE PICKING THE LOCATION. UH THE ACCESSIBILITY THE EXPANSION CAPABILITIES AND THAT IT'S A CENTRALIZED POINT. FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF KYLE. SO DO WE? I DON'T KNOW IF WE OWN I KNOW WE WERE CONSIDERING TWO PIECES OF LAND. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW A YEAR FROM NOW IT OPPORTUNITY COMES THAT WE HAVE YOU KNOW A CHANCES TO ACQUIRE DIFFERENT LAND THAT WILL SERVE BETTER FOR THE PURPOSE. OK, SO COUNCIL MEMBERS I. I JUST WANT TO SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I JUST IT THIS WAS PROBABLY A POOR DECISION ON MY PART TO GO THROUGH. THESE ONE BY ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE IS YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. AND THE WAY THAT YOU OUTLINED AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT IS EXACT IS WHAT WE HAVE ARE WALKING THROUGH HERE. STAFFS STAFF THOUGHT WAS. THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS WE NEED, AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU OUTLINED. WHAT IS THE USE? HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR IT? HOW MUCH ARE WE GONNA PAY? HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE TAX RATE? AND WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE? THESE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT STAFF NEEDS TO THEN GO ON TO THE NEXT STEPS OF AT EVEN THE PROPERTY DISCUSSION ISN'T EVEN WE NEED TO KNOW THE EXACT PROPERTY. IT'S JUST SOME IDEA OF WHERE IT IS SO THAT WE CAN, THEN SO THAT STAFF CAN THEN TAKE AND RUN WITH CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS AND RENDERINGS AND FUNDING UPDATES AND THE PROJECT SCOPE AND DIG A LITTLE DEEPER TO BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL SO THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE WALKED THROUGH ALL THOSE AND THEN CAME BACK. UM YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE AT. WE JUST STOPPED ON USE FOR THE DISCUSSION. AND THEN WE MOVED ON. IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE I COULD HIT THE NEXT TWO AND THEN JUST HAVE THE FULL DISCUSSION. OR THE MAYOR OUTLINED IT. WE'RE GOOD, OK, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

OK, THANK YOU. AND I HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN YET. SO WE'RE GONNA WEIGH IN. OK ALL RIGHT. COOL UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, UH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON A LOT OF WHAT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED. UH, JUST IN MY TIME IN KYLE'S AT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO INVEST AND

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DO BETTER, AND THAT MEANS INVESTING IN OUR SENIORS INVESTING IN OUR KIDS INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY. SO FIRST OF ALL, WE START OFF WITH SENIOR CENTER. UM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE REALLY NOTICED IS THAT WHEN WE DO EVENTS THERE, THEY THEY ARE LACKING SPACE. UH BEING PART OF THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS. WE DO A YEARLY THANKSGIVING LUNCHEON FOR THEM, AND IT KILLS ME WHEN WE HAVE TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY. THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE TO DO. WE'VE LATELY WE'VE GONE TO GO ORDERS AND THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHERE I WANNA BE AT. BUT AT LEAST WE'RE GETTING EVERYONE SERVED RIGHT TO GO ORDER SO WE BUILT WE MAKE ENOUGH FOR TO GO ORDERS BUT HAVING A SPACE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE ENOUGH GROWING SENIORS, UH, MAKING SURE WE HAVE A KITCHEN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE COULD. WE'LL COOK EVERYTHING AT THE, UH, CHURCH KITCHEN AND THEN TRANSFERRED OVER, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THEIR EVENTS AS WELL. SO HAVING THE KITCHEN IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. THAT'S A GOOD SPACE THAT IS NEEDED AND WARRANTED. UM YOU KNOW THE SIZE OF SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS WITH SENIORS, AND WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT THE THIRD. THE SECOND THING IS HAVING A LIBRARY, A LIBRARY, SUPER IMPORTANT LIBRARY OR OR SAFE SPACE. LIBRARIES ARE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COME OUT AND THEY BRING THEIR KIDS. THEY EDUCATE THEM. THERE'S UH, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY DON'T HAVE INTERNET DON'T HAVE COMPUTERS. THIS IS A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN COME OUT AND GET TRAINING AS WELL. THERE'S SO MUCH THAT OUR LIBRARIES OFFER US THAT THEY'RE SO IMPORTANT IN OUR COMMUNITIES. THEY'RE SAFE SPACES. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING I CAN SAY ABOUT A LIBRARY AND IT IS. NEEDED. WE'VE OUTGROWN OUR OUR LIBRARY WAS LIKE ESTABLISHED FOR A WING. AND NOW WE'RE RE. THAT'S BACK. WHEN WE WERE 5000 RESIDENTS. WE'RE NOW IT'S OVER 60,000 RESIDENTS AND STILL OPERATING ON THE SAME LIBRARY, SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER. THE THIRD THING IS OUR COMMUTE CENTER. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT MAYBE, UH, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS? PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROWING OUT THE OPTION OF A Y MC? A UNFORTUNATELY, THE Y MC ONLY SERVES A PORTION OF YOUR SOCIETY OF YOUR, UM OF YOUR RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, UM, ECONOMICALLY NOT ABLE TO BUY A MEMBERSHIP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SERVE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. NOT JUST A FEW. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW IS THAT WE WANNA SERVE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT UNDERSERVED. THESE ARE KIDS THAT DON'T ALWAYS HAVE A CHANCE. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM THAT CHANCE. WE'RE GIVING A CHANCE TO RUN PLAY BE A PART OF A TEAM AND WITH THE PROGRAMMING THAT I KNOW THAT'S IN THE FUTURE FOR KYLE, BUT THROUGH OUR WONDERFUL PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY, SO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A ADEQUATE SPACE FOR AN INDOOR REC CENTER IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME AS WELL. BECAUSE II I WORK IN THESE COMMUNITIES AND I LOVE TO SEE THAT WE'RE GIVING EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY. UM YOU KNOW, TO BE A PART TO BE A KID TO PLAY ON A TEAM TO DO WHAT IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE GROWING UP AND YOU'RE FOSTERING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE TO, UH KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. WHAT'S IT IMPORTANT TO BE A PART OF A TEAM? ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN TELL YOU, IT HELPS THEM IN LIFE. IT SHOWS THEM HOW TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER. IT SHOWS HOW TO BE A LEADER. SO BE ON TEAM SPORTS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL. BUT UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SIZE. WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT UNDER BUILDING THE OTHER THING I WANNA DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IT IN A CENTRALIZED LOCATION. I DON'T NEED A DEFINITE YET, BUT THE CLOSER WE CAN DO IT TO THE CENTRAL OF TOWN. IT GIVES EVERYBODY ACCESSIBILITY, SO THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. BUT UH, JUST TO FINISH ON THE LAST ONE. I KNOW YOU LOVE MUSEUMS. I DO, TOO. BUT IF WE WERE TO BUILD A REALLY NICE COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE, THE CREW BUILDING WOULD BE A REALLY NICE MUSEUM ONE DAY IN THE CITY OF THE TOWN. THANK YOU, KYLE MUSEUM. I'M SORRY. I WILL BE. I WANNA ADDRESS BRIEFLY. THE ISSUE RELATED TO THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE SENIORS, UM AND THE CITY.

CAS IS A 501 C THREE. AND THAT MEANS IT CAN IT CAN OPERATES SEMI INDEPENDENTLY. BUT THE FACT IS IT SERVES OUR SENIORS PERIOD. WE HAVE NO OTHER SERVICES FOR SENIORS IN THE CITY OF KYLE. IT IS CANS AND THAT'S LIKE SAYING OUR OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT RECENTLY GOT A 501 C THREE FOUNDATION. THAT'S LIKE SAYING WELL, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S A 501 C THREE.

IT CAN FUNCTION INDEPENDENTLY, BUT IT IS A IT IS A FUNCTIONAL PART OF THE CITY AS HIS CAST.

THERE IS NO OTHER. NO OTHER GROUP. THE CITY IS NOT PROVIDING THESE SERVICES THAT HAS IS PROVIDING. NO ONE IS PROVIDING THESE SERVICES. WE NEED TO BE VIEWING C AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE SENIORS AND OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE NEED TO RESPECT THAT RELATIONSHIP. CONTRACTS HELP A LOT TO CLARIFY, UM THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN 501 C THREE S AND GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES. SO YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MUCH CLEARER CO, UH, CONTRACT ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS OF CARS IN THE CITY. UM, AND THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE DONE. WE HAVE, UM, THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. BUT I, I SEE THEM AS I SEE CASS AS INTERGRAL

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TO THE MISSION OF THE CITY. THANK YOU. WELL, YOU YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT SO UM WHAT ABOUT WHAT SO BACK TO LOCATION. I HEARD WHAT I'VE HEARD MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAY CENTRALIZED. SO OF THE TWO OPTIONS, THE ONE THAT WE JUST MADE THE CONTRACT ON RIGHT THERE . NEXT TO SEATON ON DAISY IS ABOUT AS CENTRALIZED AS I THINK WE WOULD GET. DOES SOMEONE HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR SITE AS BEING MORE CENTRALIZED OR IT'S EAST. IT'S NEXT TO SEATON. IT OPENS UP A LAKE CREATES PARK OPPORTUNITIES. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN AGREE? LET'S PURSUE THAT OR DO WE WANT TO? LEAVE THAT OPEN. IF YOU DON'T MIND IN JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CAS IS COMING. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SENIORS ARE COMING. I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MY MOM AND MY DAD AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. BUT I I'M JUST TRYING TO ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE. FOR THE TAX DOLLAR. LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT I BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COST MONEY. UM BUT THE SUGGESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE WOULD BE TO LOOK AT NUMBER ONE LA VISTA PARK. THIS IS THE REASON WHY LET'S LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF HOW MUCH THE CITY HAS BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN YOU HAVE THE LAND IN PLACE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT CONCEPT IN PLACE. YOU CAN THEN START PUTTING TOGETHER THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE. FOR ALL YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE ONE SECTION OF A COMPLEX CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT A COMPLEX WIDE, NOT JUST ONE BUILDING. I'M LOOKING AT A COMPLEX LIKE I'VE SEEN ANOTHER CITIES LIKE WE DID WHEN WE WENT TO PEACHTREE. WHEN WE WENT TO PEACH TREE, WE SAW HOW THEIR ACTIVITY CENTER AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS THE SENIORS AREA WHERE THEY HAD A BILLIARDS AND THEY HAD CARD TABLES, AND THEY ALSO HAD ANOTHER SECTION WHERE THEY HAD A HUGE KITCHEN WHERE THEY WOULD FEED EVERYBODY. SO MY CONCEPT IS HULK IS A HUGE COMPLEX. SO I THINK FROM THERE IS WE CAN, UH WE CAN START WITH LOOKING AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LAND THAT WE WOULD OWN OR LAND THAT THEY WOULD GO ON. WE CAN THEN BUILD, IF EVEN IF WE HAVE, EVEN IF THE SENIORS WERE TO HAVE YOUR OWN SECTION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. YOU WANT YOUR OWN SPACE. RIGHT YOU WANT YOUR OWN SPACE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIVITIES? I DON'T WANT NO KIDS RUNNING IN THERE. I WANT NOBODY USING OUR TOILETS. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY USING OUR BATHROOMS. AM I BEING CORRECT? LADIES RIGHT.

AM I BEING RIGHT? EXACTLY? SO I'M I'M HITTING IT. YOU WANT YOUR OWN SPACE? BUT IF WE CAN PUT IT IN A SECTION LIKE IN A COMPLEX AREA WHERE WE ALSO HAVE THE REC CENTER EITHER CONNECTED TO IT OR ON THE SIDE WITH THE PARKING YOU CAN COMBINE THEM TOGETHER. SO I THINK LOOKING AT WHAT LAND WE HAVE AVAILABLE THAT IS NUMBER ONE, NOT IN A FLOOD PLAIN NUMBER TWO. ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT HANG ON, HANG ON. SO THIS IS A WORKSHOP ENVIRONMENT. SO IN A WORKSHOP ENVIRONMENT, WE ARE PUTTING FORWARD IDEAS THAT WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY FIGURED OUT WE HAVE. THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE CAN MEET AND TALK. SO OBVIOUSLY WE ALL CARE ABOUT THE SENIORS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PROCESS THROUGH AND SOLVE PROBLEMS. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE RESPECTFUL TO JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE WE DON'T ALL HAVE THE SAME OPINION TO JUST ALLOW FOR US TO SPEAK OUR OPINIONS AND TRY TO WORK BECAUSE WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH THE FIRST QUESTION AND SO WE KEEP GOING DOWN THIS PATH. WE ARE NOT GONNA SOLVE THIS ISSUE. AUGUST IS GOING TO COME AND GO AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF SPEECHING. BUT NOT A LOT OF ACTING. SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR DECORUM TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE TALK AS BEST WE CAN. SO IF WE CAN IDENTIFY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE WERE ALSO THE IDENTIFY WHAT TYPE OF CONCEPT WE COULD BUILD. THAT WOULD ALSO DETERMINE THE FUNDING. THAT WOULD ALSO DETERMINE UH HOW MUCH IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD ON A BOND. AND I, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LOOKING AT. IF WE CAN KINDA NARROW DOWN OUR SEARCH INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL, WE IF WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING THAT WE COULD PUT THERE IF THE LIGHTS AND YOU KNOW O MORE ROUNDABOUTS. WHATEVER IT IS, THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR ALL TRAFFIC AND CENTRALIZING WHAT COUNTS? UH, MAYOR PRO. TIM IS SAYING AS OUR CITY IS GROWING AGAIN, CENTRALIZED EAST EAST OF KYLE IS STARTING TO BECOME THE EAST CENTRAL OF THE AREA. SO IT WOULD ALSO BE ANOTHER FACTOR TO WHERE WE ARE HAVING ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE ROAD ON BB AS WELL. SO I THINK WE IF WE SHOULD LOOK, AND MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OTHER OPINIONS. I'M JUST THINKING IF WE CAN START WITH LOOKING AT THE SITE LOCATION, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE DO WE OWN? WHAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE LOOK LIKE, AND

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THEN WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE. IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. BECAUSE WE CAN ALSO NARROW IT DOWN BY ADULT FIGURE. SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS CALVES PARK BECAUSE NUMBER ONE. IT'S NOT IN A FLOOD PLAIN AND NUMBER TWO. IT'S LARGER, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OVER TIME. WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE LET'S SAY ON THE LARGER PIECE. I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP. I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP RIGHT HERE. THE LARGER PIECE, WE DESIGNED THE CONCEPT FOR THE ACTUAL REC BUILDING AND A SMALL PIECE. OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE THAT OVERLOOKS THE HILL THAT OVERLOOKS THE CITY AS A AS A ADDITION TO THE REC CENTER. SO UNIPOL, THERE'S IT ONTO THE COMPLEX. HERE'S THE REC CENTER. HERE'S THE SENIOR CITIZEN ON THIS SIDE. OK THAT HAS AND I DON'T WANNA GO ONE STORY. I WANNA GO TWO STORIES. I WANNA GO UP. IF MUCH IF WE IF WE CAN, I KNOW THAT THERE'S WORKABILITY ISSUES. BUT THEN YOU ALSO SWING BACK AROUND AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE RECREATIONAL COMPLEX THAT'S RIGHT BESIDE IT. ON THAT END AND BY INVOLVING THE COUNTY. WE CAN ALSO DO COUNTY PROGRAMS AND WE COULD ALSO AND ALSO, YOU'VE GOT TWO MAJOR SCHOOLS THAT ARE RIGHT IN THAT AREA. SO WE CAN ALSO KEEP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN MIND. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR VOLUNTEER FOR ALL IN THOSE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE AMBER WOOD. YOU GOT KENSINGTON AND YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CENTRALIZE EVERYTHING. IF WE LOOK AT THE SITE LOCATION OF WHAT WE OWN AND WHAT WE CAN BUILD AND LOOK AT FROM THERE AND THEN AND THEN, IF THAT DOES NOT FEASIBLE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. SO THE REBUTTAL IS WAY TOO STRONG OF A WORD BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOUR POINTS FULL START. BUT MY QUESTION IS SO THE REASON I WAS HEARING CENTRALIZED IS, YOU KNOW CALVES DE PARK. THIS IS IF WE'RE GONNA DO A SENIOR CENTER OR A REC CENTER OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT THE LIBRARY BUT THE OTHER COMPONENTS. THE CENTRALIZED VERSION IS BETTER BECAUSE IT SERVES THE ENTIRE CITY SO NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST IF YOU LIVE NORTHWEST OR SOUTHWEST OR EVEN SOUTHEAST, THE CALVES TO PARK LOCATION IS NOT VERY CLOSE. IT'S REAL CLOSE TO FOLKS WHO LIVE RIGHT THERE. BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE ENTIRE AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW THE MY THINKING WAS THAT THE FUNDING THAT WE WOULD, UH, PURSUE FOR THIS PROJECT WOULD ALSO BE A PARK DEVELOPMENT FUND TO ALLOW FOR US TO FULLY FUND BRINGING THAT THE LAKE PROPERTY TO LIFE. SO IF WE PURSUED CALVES TO PARK, THEY WOULD TAKE AWAY OUR ABILITY TO GO TO THE VOTERS AND ASK FOR MONEY IN PARTNERSHIP POTENTIALLY WITH THE COUNTY TO REALLY BRING THAT LAKE YOU KNOW, TO MAYBE GET $10 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE THAT, UH, A LAKE PROPERTY. SO DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THOSE COMMENTS. THOSE AS WELL, UM YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, I WANNA BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE OWN FIRST, YOU KNOW, AND THEN UTILIZING THAT LAND AND IF WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THEIR OF GETTING THAT , YES. UH I'M JUST THROWING THE TWO OPTIONS. ONE IS THAT THESE PARK IS A LARGER AREA AND AGAIN WHERE IT'S AT AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE LAKE. THE LAKE PARK WOULD BE ALSO A FEASIBLE ONE AS WELL. UH IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE BEAUTIFUL AND SO FORTH, AND WE HAVE MORE ROOM. UM UH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS. WHAT WE HAVE. I'M NOT SAYING LET'S GO WITH NUMBER ONE OR LET'S GO WITH NUMBER TWO.

I'M JUST WANT US TO REALLY CONSIDER ALL THE FACTORS BECAUSE AGAIN IN A AND ALSO WITH THE FUNDING WITH WE ALREADY OWN THIS OR WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THERE. WE CAN. FIGURE WHAT THE NUMBERS AND SO FORTH. BECAUSE GOING FORWARD WHEN WHATEVER BOND WE BRING OF, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, AND NOT ONLY DO, UH, ARE THEY BEING HIT, WHILE UH, WITH WITH THE TAXES ON OUR ROADS, BUT I KNOW I'M SURE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GONNA BE COMING AROUND THE CORNER WITH THEIR BONDS AS WELL. SO WE GOTTA BE MINDFUL OF ALL OF THAT. AND THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SAID THAT WE CAN DO THIS WITHIN THE 59 CENT TAX RATE. BUT OUR TAX RATE IS CURRENTLY 46 CENTS. SO WHAT WE'RE I WAS WE TRIED TO HOLD THE TAX RATES STEADY AT THE LAST BUDGET. BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO JUST IT DOES MEAN THAT EVENTUALLY THE TAX RATE WILL HAVE TO GO UP. UM SO EVEN THOUGH THE NUMBER IS NOT GOING UP HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SAID. AND WHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED. IT STILL HAS TO GO UP, WHICH MEANS NEXT YEAR AND THE FOLLOWING YEAR'S TAX BILLS WILL GO UP, SO IT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH. DO WE HAVE A MAP OF THE PROPERTY? WE'RE ACQUIRING. OK, COULD YOU? UM SOMEHOW HIGHLIGHT WHAT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN. WHAT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN? IT'S ALL OK, SO WE WOULD WE'D HAVE TO BUILD UP TO GET US OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN CORRECT AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE PLAN IS TO BUILD UP ON THIS PROPERTY. UM,

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IN COLLABORATION WITH THE, UM UH, HOPEFULLY WITH THE COUNTY IS WHAT OUR HOPE IS BECAUSE I KNOW THE COUNTY IS VERY INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. SO UH UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP ON THE FLOODPLAIN IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY TECHNICAL. IT'S JUST TRUCKING AND DIRT IS BUILDING THE IMMEDIATE PONDS, AND WE ALREADY HAVE A REALLY GOOD SIZED POND THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ON AS WELL. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DOABLE AND MAKING SURE THE BUILDING DOESN'T FLOOD. I PROMISE YOU THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW. UM YOU KNOW, I, I HAD THIS CONVERSATION. UH, BECAUSE CERTAINTIES HAVE BUILT THE FLOODPLAIN AND, UH, IT'S ALWAYS TURNED INTO A REALLY BAD PLACE BECAUSE THEY DON'T BUILD UP. SOMETHING WE WOULD DO IS BUILD UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OUT OF IT. THE MAJORITY OF THE PLANE OF THIS PROPERTY IS REALLY GOOD FOR DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S BEEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS WANTED TO COME IN HERE. UH, AND THEIR PLAN WAS TO BUILD UP. UNFORTUNATELY THE DRAINAGE WAS WHAT'S KEEPING THEM? UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE ADEQUATE DRAINAGE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO OVERBUILD THE PROPERTY , LIKE MOST DEVELOPERS ARE, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT UH UH, WE WOULD BE COGNIZANT ABOUT, BUT, UM I'M LOOKING AT CENTRALIZED. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A BUILDING WITH A BEAUTIFUL VIEW IN THE BACK OF A, UM, OF A REALLY NICE LITTLE MANMADE LAKE AND, UH, A PARK AS WELL. SO LIMITING OURSELVES TO JUST A BUILDING TO SOMETHING I. I DON'T WANNA DO. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PARK SPACE AS WELL. YOU HAVE PARKING, ADEQUATE PARKING. YOU HAVE, UM THE MIS WALKING TRAILS, SAFE WALKING TRAILS, SO A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. LET'S NOT JUST LIMIT OURSELVES TO A BUILDING. LET'S LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU ALL HAVE EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SO I GUESS TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

WHAT IS THE BUILDABLE AREA? WE? WE THINK THAT'S ON THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY ON AC LANE. WE BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 20 TO 25 ACRES DEPENDING ON THE EXACT ENGINEERING SO WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER LOOK AT ALL THAT. BUT SOMEWHERE IN THAT 2025 ACRES, WHICH WE BELIEVE COULD ACCOMMODATE THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE ROOM FOR EXPANSION. BUT YOU, C, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY THAT THAT YOU WANTED TO DO AND A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE AREA THAT WE ARE UTILIZING FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER? TO INCLUDE THE PACKAGE ACREAGE 66 ACRES. SO 25. ACRES SHOULD BE PLENTY. ALL RIGHT. CAN Y'ALL SEE THE SCREEN? I'M SCREEN SHARING NOW. SO THIS IS THIS IS KENSINGTON TRAILS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE AT ALL.

OK, SO THIS IS KENSINGTON TRAILS? THIS IS SOUTH LAKE RANCH. THIS IS DAISY LANE. AND DAISY LANE WAS JUST COMPLETED ALL THE WAY UP. SO HERE'S UP HERE IS CAL VISTA PARK. THIS IS ONE OPTION AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH IS A LITTLE CLOSER, BUT THEY'RE STILL BOTH WITHIN JUST A FEW MINUTES, UH OF EACH OTHER. THE THINKING WE JUST WENT, SO WE JUST VOTED AT OUR LAST MEETING TO GO INTO CONTRACT TO PURCHASE 80 ACRES. IT STARTS HERE AND IT RUNS DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE LAKE ALL THE WAY TO THE DAM AND TO THE BACK AND THEN UP THE, UH, THIS ENTIRE STRETCH OF KENSINGTON. YOU CAN SEE THE CUT OUT HERE. THIS DID NOT USED TO BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. BUT WHEN IN 2014 WHEN WE HAD IN 2015, SO WE HAD FLOODS. THE ENTIRE MAPS GOT, UH, CHANGED IN THE IN THE ALL THIS WENT INTO THE FLOOD PLAIN, BUT IT'S JUST BARELY IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND, UH, WE'VE TALKED TO VARIOUS AGENCIES AND GROUPS ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACTUALLY BRING IT COMPLETELY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. UH AND YOU CAN SEE THIS SQUARE PIECE RIGHT HERE, ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT WOULD BE A SMALL AMOUNT OF CUT AND FILL SO WE WOULDN'T BE INTRODUCING NEW SOILS. UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT WOULD WOULD BRING BRING IT OUT, SO THE IDEA WOULD BE JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE NEXT TO SEATON, UH, WOULD BE THAT THE CONSTRUCTED FACILITIES. UH AND THEN WHAT YOU CAN ALSO SEE IS HERE AT, UH, KENSINGTON. YOU SEE HOW THERE'S THESE THESE SORT OF, UH, CUL DE SACS? WELL KENSINGTON DOES NOT HAVE GOOD WALK, UH, AT ALL. YOU COULD SEE THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE PUT RIGHT UP NEXT TO THESE VEHICLES. AND SO THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO TAKE WALKS. HOWEVER IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS PROJECT WE COULD HAVE, THESE WOULD BE, UH, ENTRANCES INTO THE INTO THE PARK HERE AND HERE AND HERE AND HERE. AND SO FOLKS WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK INTO A PARK. THAT IF WE COMPLETE THE VISION, IT'S ALL ABOUT VISION AT THIS POINT, BUT IF WE COMPLETE THE PARK, WE COULD HAVE TRAILS AND THIS IS THIS. THIS IS 40 FT. DEEP AT THE MIDDLE. THIS IS NOT GOING DRY. THEY ARE HUGE TREES ALL OVER THIS, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH UH, TO HAVE NICE WALKING TRAILS ALL AROUND. SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM KIDS, SENIORS ACTIVITIES VARIOUS, UH GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING A FACILITY HERE WOULD HAVE RIGHT OFF THE BACK PORCH IF WE DO IT. RIGHT A WORLD CLASS MAJOR PARK SURROUNDING, UH, AN AMENITY THAT KYLE LACKS, WHICH IS WATER AMENITIES. UH AND SO

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THAT'S THAT'S THE THINKING, BUT TOBY TOBIAS IS RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T OWN IT YET. WE'RE IN CONTRACT TO BUY NEXT YEAR. I MEAN, NEXT MONTH, WE HAVE FLOOD PLAIN ISSUES TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH. JUST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S DOABLE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S DOABLE. MY THINKING WOULD BE YOU KNOW IF I COULD HAVE IT MY WAY WOULD BE TO PURSUE THIS AS A PRIMARY AND THEN FOR CARL VISTA TO BE A BACKUP AND SAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN IF THIS CALL VISTA TURNS OUT TO BE I'M SORRY IF THE LAKE KENSINGTON OR WHATEVER YOU CALL, IT TURNS OUT TO NOT BE FEASIBLE. FOR WHATEVER REASON WE HAVE A FALLBACK SO WE CAN STILL PURSUE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE SCOPE. EITHER WAY , WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A DECISION SO THAT STAFF CAN KNOW HOW BEST TO SPEND THEIR TIME AND RESOURCES. WHAT IS THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE KENSINGTON? UM FOR THE C VISTA. I'LL SHOW YOU LAND LIKE IS IT THAT WE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR ENTRANCE? UH, THERE'S A CURB CUT. RIGHT? HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS NOT. I MEAN, THIS IS NICE, DEVELOPABLE LAND THAT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN BUT HAS TO BE ISSUED. SO THIS IS THE CURRENT CURB. CUT NO. WELL, KENSINGTON IS YEAH IS UP THIS DIRECTION? THERE'S KENSING. NO THIS IS THE DAISY ONE. SO WE NEED TO GIVE IT. I'M CALLING IT LATE KENSINGTON BECAUSE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND IT'S UNIQUE TO THE PROJECT. BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF DAISY LANE DAISY IS BECOMING A MAJOR ROAD FOR US. SO IT WOULD BE HERE. BUT I, I THINK WE WOULD WANNA REDO THE CURB CUT ANYWAY FOR BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENTRY TO THE SAME LOCATION.

CORRECT BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE DAISY AND THEN YOU HAVE WHAT? WHAT ROLE DO YOU HAVE IN THE BACK? I THINK JUST I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY, UM I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THE MORE ROADS THAT WE HAVE TO THE MORE CONCRETE WE HAVE TO POUR IN ORDER TO HAVE ACCESSIBILITY, THE MORE SO MONEY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO.

IS THERE ANY ANY SECTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IT'S IN A FLOOD PLAIN. BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS ADD WATER FEATURES. THIS IS A BIG LOT OF I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADD WATER FEATURE. I KNOW. I MEAN, WE CAN'T HAVE SOME SORT OF FOUNTAINS, WATER FEATURES THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW, MAN MADE ONES THAT WE CAN HAVE, UM, WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO AND I DON'T GET ME WRONG. I REALLY LOVE THE PROPERTY AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME NATURAL WATER LIKE THE ONE FROM THE C VISTA PARK. UM JESUS. I'M CONFUSED NOW, TOO. UM, THE ONE PROPERTY WE'RE ABOUT TO BUY. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL ALLOW ALSO FOR THE TRAIL NATURAL TRAILS, WHICH I THINK WOULD JUST LIKE ABSOLUTELY BE SO COHESIVE TO THIS PROJECT, BUT, UM I WOULD HATE THAT. YOU KNOW, THINGS GO WRONG AND THEN MORE OF THE PIECE OF LAND GETS INTO THE FLOOD PLAIN. UM AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER. PROBLEM TO DEAL WITH. MAYOR. I WOULD ALSO SAY FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCATION, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A THIS IS THIS IS THE LOCATION. WE WANT DIRECTION ON. UH IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, DAISY PRIMARY LAKE VISTA SECONDARY. AT THAT POINT, WE CAN GO GET CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS AND SQUARE ON EACH ONE AND BRING THEM BACK SO THAT YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF ENTRANCES. HOW BIG IT WOULD BE HOW BUILDABLE IT WOULD BE THAT TYPE OF THING. SO EVEN JUST THAT IS GREAT DIRECTION FOR US. I CAN GIVE YOU A FOOT. A FOOTPRINT ON EACH, UH, SIDE TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW IT WOULD LAY OUT WHAT THE ENTRANCES WOULD BE REQUIRED.

IF THERE'S ANY DECELERATION LANES TURNS CUR CURB CUTS. THAT'S THE ENGINEERING WE WOULD NEED TO DO. UM BUT WE DO WANNA TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN TO THOSE ARE THE TWO LOCATIONS YOU WANT LOCATIONS WE WANT TO DO AND NOT PUT A PRIORITY ON A B. JUST KEEPING THEM BOTH PRIORITIZED.

BRING US BACK A PLAN AND SEE WHICH WAS MORE FEASIBLE FOR US. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM BOTH AS AS PRIMARY SITES AND JUST BRING US BACK. UH, WHICH ONE IS MORE ADEQUATE? WHICH ONE'S MORE DOABLE? UM AND GIVE US THE PROS AND CONS FOR IT. PLEASE WE COULD DO THAT. UM I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET YOU KNOW ALL THE USES. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THE USES BECAUSE FROM TODAY TO MEET THAT AUGUST DEADLINE OF CALLING AN ELECTION, WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY TO BRING YOU BACK SOME OPTIONS AND COSTS AND SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ON YOUR APRIL 2ND AGENDA, LIKELY HAVE A CONTRACT TO BRING FORWARD TO GET STARTED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, THE ENGINEERING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU IF THERE'S ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE USAGE SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR REC CENTER LIBRARY, UM, SENIOR CENTER SOME TYPE OF FACILITY OPTIONS ON THOSE IS KIND OF WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO. BUT IF THAT'S NOT, IF THAT'S NOT CORRECT, LET US KNOW SO WE CAN MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO CAN WE TALK ABOUT SHARED USE VERSUS EXCLUSIVITY?

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BECAUSE I THAT'S WHAT I HEAR A LOT OF TENSION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE GONNA BE INDEPENDENT SOLELY OPERATED BY THE, UH, NONPROFITS OR WHETHER IT'S TO BE INTEGRATED. I'M ON TEAM INTEGRATED. SO I THINK THAT I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE CO THERE COULD BE ELEMENTS OF A SHARED USE FACILITY THAT WOULD WORK SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SENIORS. BREAKOUT ROOMS, KITCHEN , POTENTIALLY, UM CERTAIN GAMING AREAS. UM AND THEN MAYBE LIKE SOMETHING SMALLER. BUT THEN THERE WOULD ALSO BE ACCESS TO A LARGER FACILITY, A LARGER ROOM THAT GETS SHARED AND USED BY MORE THAN JUST THE SENIORS BECAUSE THE SENIORS WOULDN'T USE IT ALL THE TIME ANYWAY, UH AND WE WANNA BE AS EFFICIENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. WITH THE, UH, THE SPACE SO ONE HUGE NEED THAT WE HAVE, WHICH I THINK COMES FROM A PARTIALLY BROUGHT UP AT THE BEGINNING WAS, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO REALLY ANY LARGE FORM PRESENTATIONS, NO AUDITORIUM. NO GOOD AUDIO VIDEO, YOU KNOW? HE LIKE YOU KNOW WITH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. SO I'VE BEEN HOLDING OUT HOPE THAT EVENTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE A HOTEL CONVENTION CENTER, WHICH WILL COME EVENTUALLY IF WE STAY ON THE BALL AND DON'T LOSE IT TO BUDA, WHICH IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT BUT WHAT IF WE SAID ONE OF THE COMPONENTS TO THIS FACILITY WOULD BE SORT OF A COMBINED? SPACE AUDITORIUM VENUE. WHERE WHERE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE ON THE LIST OF PLACES WE WOULD GO IF WE WERE THINKING ABOUT HAVING A PRESENTATION OR A MEETING OR A LUNCHEON. YOU KNOW THOSE KIND OF THINGS. IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO PURSUE? UM AND YOU KNOW THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT FOR THE SENIORS WOULD BE THE KIND WOULD BE. IT WOULDN'T BE YOUR SPACE ALTOGETHER, YOU WOULD HAVE TO IN TERMS OF THE MAIN MAIN ROOM YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, RESERVE IT, BUT THE PRO IS, IT'S GONNA MUCH NICER THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD. IF WE'RE JUST BUILDING SOMETHING FOR Y'ALL TO USE EXCLUSIVELY, SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE SAME BASIC CONUNDRUM WE'VE BEEN IN FOR A WHILE. IT'S BEEN IF IT'S JUST FOR ONE GROUP. IT'S SMALLER, BUT IF WE THINK BIGGER AND TRY TO SOLVE MORE PROBLEMS, IT BECOMES NICER. BUT THERE'S STILL A DRAWBACK TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I HAD POINTED OUT IN IN THAT I HAD WRITTEN A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO. COMMUNITY CENTERS CAN ALSO HOST LARGER COMMUNITY GATHERINGS.

CONFERENCES SAY STATE OF THE CITY. WEDDINGS OF FOOD MEAL DRIVES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CAN NIGHTS MASS AREA FOR CITY EVENTS, INCLUDING SUMMER PROGRAM AND CAMPS. AND THAT ALSO LEADS TO VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES. SO IMAGINE A LARGE CENTER LIKE I LIKE WHEN WE SAW IN GEORGIA.

WHERE YOU HAD THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU HAD PEOPLE THERE IN THE SENIORS AND THERE AND THEN YOU ALSO HAD THE SUMMER CAMPS THAT ARE THERE. YOU COMBINE THEM TOGETHER. THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER IN THAT SENSE TO WHERE YOU OFFER VOLUNTEER SERVICES. YOU PROVIDE MEALS FOR STUDENTS IN CAMPS, WHICH COULD ALSO HELP REDUCE SOME OF THE COSTS FOR FAMILIES WHO ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR THESE CAMPS. YOU WOULD HAVE AN ON SITE KITCHEN AND SO FORTH, AND THEY COULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE KIND OF MEALS. I UNDERSTAND ALL THIS WOULD BE EVENTUALLY A BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR ALL THIS.

BUT I THINK IT'S I THINK WE WE'RE JUST ON THE ON THE RIGHT PAGE THAT WE ARE NEEDING DESPERATELY AN AREA FOR CONFERENCES AND EVENT CENTER. UH, AN AREA TO HOLD OUR SUMMER CAMPS AND ALSO WITH WITH WHAT THE SENIORS NEED AS WELL, SO JUST COMBINING IT ALL TOGETHER AND JUST HAVING AAA AGAIN MY LOOKING AT IT A COMPLEX WIDE AREA. AND THEN YOU CAN BE ABLE TO HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THE LOCATION ISN'T GONNA BE A OR B. OR IS IT GONNA BE B OR A YOU TO GET THE NUMBERS AND COME BACK TO US AND SAY THIS IS FEASIBLE. THIS IS HOW LARGE YOU COULD BUILD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IF YOU WANNA GO WITH 200 PARKING SPACES. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE WALK ABILITY. YOU KNOW IF WE REDUCE SOME OF THE CAR SPACES, THEN PUTTING IT IN THIS LOCATION, YOU WOULD HAVE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH. AND SO IT'S JUST COMBINING ALL THOSE PIECES TOGETHER. WELL, LOOK AT I DON'T CALL PEOPLE AT WORKSHOPS TO JUST GO AND I THINK THAT THE ISSUE FOR THE SENIORS IS FOR OUR REGULAR ACTIVITIES. WE NEED TO HAVE A REGULAR BUILDING. WHAT IS THAT? WHAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, THE SENIORS HAVE A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES THAT THEY DO ON A REGULAR BASIS CLASSES. EXERCISE. UH, WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO BE MOVED OUT OF OUR BUILDING. UM, BY SOMETHING ELSE. WHAT I DON'T THINK WOULD BE AN ISSUE IS SHARING A LARGE ROOM BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT OUR EVENTS ARE, IF WE CAN RESERVE AHEAD FOR OUR BIG EVENTS, THEN THAT'S NOT A BIG ISSUE BUT ON A DAILY BASIS ON A WEEKLY BASIS, UM WE NEED TO

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HAVE OUR OUR AREA OF THAT. IS NOT SHARED BECAUSE WE USE IT. UH AND WE WOULD USE IT MORE IF WE HAD IT. UM WE DO EVENING THINGS MORE THAN WE DO NOW, IF WE HAVE THE AVAILABILITY, BUT WE JUST DON'T SO I. I DON'T SEE A REAL ISSUE WITH SHARING A REALLY LARGE AND MEETING SPACE OR EVENT SPACE. UM AS FAR AS THE KITCHEN IS CONCERNED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE MEALS FIVE DAYS A WEEK. AT A REASONABLE COST FOR THE SENIORS. UM, BECAUSE WE CAN GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S IN A FINANCIALLY ISSUE FOR EVERYONE, UM, AND NOT BE ONCE AGAIN KICKED OUT OF THE KITCHEN FOR SOME OTHER EVENT, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL BE WATCHING CAREFULLY AS WE DEVELOP THE CONCEPTS FOR THE SENIOR CENTER FOR AND FOR THE OTHER, UM PARTS OF THIS COMPLEX. UM SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HONESTLY FOR WHAT I'M READING IN THE ROOM. THERE IS AN ISSUE OF SHARING A LARGE SPACE. I THINK HAVING A STAND ALONE BUILDING WILL PUT A BURDEN ON THE SENIORS ON LIKE OPERATING COSTS AND MAINTENANCE AND STAFFING AND THINGS YOU KNOW, ALONG THAT WAY, SO I THINK THAT COMMUNICATING WITH THEM. AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE FOR THE SPACE LIKE A KITCHEN IS SOMETHING WE KNOW THEY NEED, UM AND SOMETHING AND IN A PLACE THAT FEEDS UH, TO THE AMOUNT OF MEMBERS THEY HAVE IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. BUT THE WAY THE CITY HAS, UM A HOLD OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, BECAUSE IF WE WANTED TO HAVE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS LIKE TO HAVE PARKS TO BE A PART OF IT AND HAVE THE SENIORS TO BE A PART OF IT AND HAVE SOME LIBRARY SPACE, OR, UM, UM PLACES FOR US TO DO PRESENTATION. I WOULD EVEN THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A ROOFTOP. OR SOMETHING TO DO ON. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR A LONG TIME TO HAVE IN THE SPACE FOR EVENTS FOR THE CITY OF KYLE. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT ARE NOT OUT OF QUESTION FOR I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR A STAND ALONE BUILDING. THEY'RE OK SHARING AS LONG AS WE HAVE A LARGE FACILITY. SO THOSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE ALL IN GREEN WITH SO JUST TO PAY BACK OFF THAT, UM, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT COUNCIL, TOBIAS SAID THAT I REALLY LIKED WAS A TWO STORY BUILDING. I SAW A LIBRARY CONCEPT WHERE THE LIBRARY ON THE BOTTOM AND UP UPSTAIRS THEY HAD LIKE THESE LITTLE, UH, WALKWAYS WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO UP THERE AND WORK AND A QUIET SPACE, SO IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD SHARE WITH THE TWO STORY BUILDING. WE COULD DEFINITELY DO A LOT MORE AND HAVE MORE SPACE, SO IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD PROBABLY BE BEHIND AS WELL, UH, MAKING SURE THE SENIORS HAVE THEIR KITCHEN FIVE DAYS A WEEK IS IMPORTANT, UH, MAKING SURE THEY'RE FEEDING EVERYBODY IF THEY'VE GOT SOME POSSIBLE FUNDING SOURCES, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY VERY WELCOME. UM AT THE LARGE ROOM I CAN GET BEHIND AS LONG AS WE, UH, WORK WITH THE SENIORS.

WE'VE GOT TO PUT SOMETHING TO CONTRACT WHERE, UH, IT'S AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD REALLY BE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I THINK THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT BEING EQUAL IN THE C CENTER. SO UM, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT PROTECTS THEM FOR THEIR THEIR TIMES THAT THEY NEED. I'D LIKE THEM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO SEE WHAT DAYS THEY REALLY REALLY NEED. WHAT'S FUNCTIONAL, SO THAT WAY THE CITY WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT'S UM WHAT'S NEEDS? THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED FROM YOU AS A AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT YOUR REAL NEED IS PER DAY PER HOUR, AND, UH, THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. THE DIRECTION ON LOCATIONS. YEAH I THINK YOU KNOW THEY BOTH TAKE THEIR ACCESS OFF OF DACY. SO I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE SCOPE AS WE'RE DEVELOPING IT, IT'S THE BUDGET. WE'RE GONNA RUN AGAINST THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND IS CASH FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND. SO THE COST BASIS FOR THE LAND IS GONNA BE ZERO, REGARDLESS OF WHICH WAY IN TERMS OF THE BOND PROCEEDS THAT WERE GOING FOR, UM ARE YOU GUYS NEEDING DIRECTION ON THE LAND? NO IF WE IF WE DON'T IF WE SAID ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GIVEN YOU ALL ENOUGH. GO FORTH AND PROSPER. THEY WOULD, BUT YOU WANNA KNOW IT'D HAVE ALL THE POWER WOULD BE THE CONSULTANTS. IT CREATES THE IT CREATES THE POSSIBILITY OF CONFLICT JUST LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PLAN. JUST LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN. YOU KNOW WHERE WE HAVEN'T GIVEN ENOUGH SPECIFICITY AND CLARITY WHEN THE CONSULTANTS COME BACK AND THEY GO IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT, AND IT'S LIKE NOT FEASIBLE. IT'S NOT REMOTELY SO YOU KNOW THERE THERE NEEDS TO BE SO IF Y'ALL THE ROUND ROCK PUBLIC LIBRARY. HAS ANYBODY BEEN TO THE ROUND ROCK PUBLIC LIBRARY YET? BRAND NEW. IT WAS IT WAS BOND APPROVED. I THINK TWO YEARS AGO, MAYBE, AND THEY JUST BUILT IT. SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO STORY IT'S ACTUALLY THREE STORY BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE, UM, SORT OF AND IT'S UH, IT'S SURFACE. I'M SORRY. IT'S UH, GARAGE

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PARKED, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE PURSUE NO MATTER WHAT, BUT THIS IS I MEAN, IT'S A TREASURE THAT THEY JUST THEY JUST BUILT AND IT'S EAST. DOWNTOWN UM, IS THAT IS WHAT THE ROUND ROCK PUBLIC LIBRARY IS. SO THIS HAS BEEN IN TERMS OF LIKE THE WHITE BOARDED INSPIRATION.

THE ROUND THE NEW ROUND ROCK PUBLIC LIBRARY HAS BEEN ON MY MIND NOW. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A REC CENTER. IT'S A IT'S A MASSIVE, CENTRALIZED LIBRARY, SO THE USES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. UM BUT I THOUGHT THE ROUND ROCK PUBLIC LIBRARY WOULD MAKE A AAA. YOU KNOW? GREAT THING TO POTENTIALLY AT LEAST PURSUE SOMETHING. SOMETHING LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THE NEW LIBRARY.

SO HERE'S THE QUESTION. IF WE HAVE TO TR IF WE HAVE TO TRIAGE, OK, LET'S SAY WE'VE GOT 100 AND $50 MILLION OF WANTS, AND ONLY $75 MILLION IN NEED. SO WE HAVE TO CUT IT IN HALF WE'VE GOT WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AUDITORIUM SPACE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MUSEUM SPACE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. UM UH, KITCHENS, MAYBE MULTIPLE KITCHENS, BASKETBALL COURTS. UM OBVIOUSLY AAA LIBRARY ANNEX, IF WHAT'S THE IF YOU HAVE TO FORCE RANK THEM AND COUNCILOR HEER IS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY THIS GAME. UM BUT IF YOU HAD TO FORCE RANK THEM WHAT WOULD BE IN YOUR MIND? THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT LIKE BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT EVERY ELEMENT OF THIS EXCEPT FOR THE SENIOR CENTER WE ARE. WE HAVE POTENTIALLY INCORPORATED INTO OTHER PROJECTS. SPORTSPLEX INDOOR DEAL WITH THE YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY A MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM. UM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MA MAJOR MINOR. HOW DO WE SAY THAT? I WAS TRYING NOT TO SAY TRYING NOT TO SAY THINGS. I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY I CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION. YEAH. 444 OF THE OF THE SENIOR CENTER. UH, REC CENTER. LIBRARY WHICH WHICH ONES IN YOUR MIND IF WE HAD TO DIMINISH ONE SECTION OF THAT WHICH WOULD YOU DIMINISH AND WHICH WOULD YOU NOT DIMINISH SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THAT AS FEEDBACK TO THESE FOLKS WHO ARE WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO DIMINISH LIKE NOBODY IS PUTTING A CAP ON THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING? WHY DON'T WE DO A FOUR STORY BUILDING LIKE LET'S THINK A LITTLE BIG THIS BUILDING WON'T BE COMPLETED FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. IF SO, THE REASON I SAY DIMINISHED IS BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE A 75TH $5 MILLION BUDGET, AND YOU CALCULATE, LET'S SAY $500 A FOOT. YOU COME UP WITH A SQUARE FOOTAGE AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO FULFILL ALL OF OUR DESIRES, SO WE NEED TO. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT YOU TO DESIGN FOR, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE PRIORITY IS. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. WELL I WOULDN'T WANT TO. SINCE WE ARE GONNA HAVE A SENIOR COMPONENT AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A YOUTH COMPONENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE A CHILDREN COMPONENT. SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE THEM LIKE AGE DEMOGRAPHICS FOR THE CITY OF KYLE. SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE THREE NEEDS TO BE NEED TO BE LEFT OUT WHAT YOU LIKE IF WE DO THE INDOOR BASKETBALL COURT, SO WE OPEN SPACE FOR PARK PARTS TO HAVE BECAUSE PARTS DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE. WE'RE USING THE CREW BUILDING AND EVEN THAT IS NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR THEM TO DO A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THEY CURRENTLY HAVING. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A WHOLE HUGE SECTION FOR THE SENIORS, AND THEN MAYBE ON THE SECOND STORY. YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE YOUTH OR THE CHILDREN AND THEN IN ANOTHER. I MEAN, I'M THINKING MAYBE I'M THINKING TOO BIG, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE POINT THAT THE CITY WILL NEED THIS FACILITY TO BE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE POPULATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN 1520 YEARS. SO FOR MYSELF, THE ONE COMPONENT I COULD SEE IS DOWNSIZING A LITTLE BIT NOT DOING AWAY 100% WITH WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LIBRARY BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A LIBRARY. BUT TO HAVE SECONDARY LIBRARY BE GREAT JUST MEANS IN THE FUTURE. WE PROBABLY WOULD NEED ANOTHER LIBRARY. UH BUT JUST KIND OF DOWNSIZING THE LIBRARY SIZE A LITTLE BIT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING I COULD PROBABLY GET BEHIND. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE A LIBRARY, BUT, UM, AND THE THING ABOUT THE LIBRARY COULD GO TWO STORY SO WE COULD ACTUALLY BUILD VERTICALLY. WE COULD WE CAN BUILD IN A WAY WHERE WE CAN STILL HAVE ALL THE FUNCTIONALITY AND JUST HAVE IT ON TWO FLOORS UP AND DOWN, SO IT'S NOT ON BOARD. WITH THAT. DOWNSIZING THE LIBRA. WE BARELY HAVE ROOM IN THE LIBRARY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. NO, NO, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT ONE, TOO, AS WELL. I KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANSION OF THE LIBRARY. INITIALLY THIS CONCEPT STARTED LIKE TWO YEARS AGO WITH A HUGE LIBRARY THAT WE WERE NEEDING. AND THEN WE ADDED THE OTHER COMPONENT SO I WOULD NOT BE ON BOARD WITH DOWNSIZING AND LIBRARY SPACE. SO WHICH PART OF THE COMPONENT WOULD YOU BE WANTING TO DOWN? I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE GUYS IN THE I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THE THOUGHT PROCESS IN MY MIND THAT I'VE BEEN HAVING IS HAVING A COMPLEX. WERE YOU WOULD HAVE US IF YOU IF YOU HAVE A COMPLEX WIDE YOU HAVE SEVERAL

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DIFFERENT BUILDINGS IN ONE AREA GOES FIRST, BUT IT WILL THEY ALL GO EVENTUALLY. BUT YOU SEE, LIKE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, IS IF YOU HAVE THE LIBRARY COMPONENT CONNECTED TO THE REC CENTER, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY THERE, BUT AT THE SAME LOT, YOU ALSO CAN COMBINE YOU HAVE A SENIOR CITIZEN AREA. THAT YOU COULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ON THE SAME SIDE. I YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS LIKE WE WANT THIS ONE BIG BUILDING THAT'S GONNA HOST ALL THESE THINGS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH THE CREW BUILDING. OK BECAUSE LIKE I HAVE TOLD EVERYBODY BEFORE, AND I TOLD YOU GET A PLAN TOGETHER? YOU GET YOUR YOU YOU SET YOUR DATES. THESE ARE MY DATES FOR MY DANCES. THESE ARE MY DATES FOR MY CAMP AND YOU STICK TO THOSE DATES. WELL, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT HAPPENING. SO THE COMPLEX THING SCENARIO AGAIN I KEEP MAKING WHERE IS OUR SITE LOCATION? HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE? DO WE HAVE FIRST? AND IF WE CAN COMBINE ALL THREE COMPONENT WE DON'T NEED TO DISSECT AND SAY REC CENTER IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LIBRARY LIBRARY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SENIORS. I THINK THE KEY IS TO SEE HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE RIGHT OFF THE BAT THE CITY OWNS. AND IF WE GO WITH SECTION A OR LIKE, LIKE PROJECT A OR PROJECT B, WE CAN SEE WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED AND I AS SOON AS WE CAN IDENTIFY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE CAN THEN START LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT DESIGN BY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY AND NOT TAKE AWAY OR THIS IS WHAT WE CAN KEEP ALL THREE AND WHICH AND THEN ONCE WE FIGURE THAT OUT, ONCE WE SEE WHAT THE CITY CAN BRING BACK TO US, WE CAN THEN SAY THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST VERSUS THIS ONE. AND IF WE DO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO. WE HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY IN THE BANK ON THIS SIDE. WE HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY FROM THE COUNTY. WE'RE GOING AFTER FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL FROM THE STATE OF THE FEDERALS TO GET THAT. SO WHEN WE PROPOSE IT IF WE PROPOSE IT TO THE VOTERS IN AUGUST, THEY CAN SEE ALL THE NUMBERS ALREADY. THIS IS A SITE PLAN WE HAD. THIS IS THE CONCEPT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT'S A COMPLEX OR NOT. IT'S GONNA BE A COMBINATION OF ALL THREE FUNDING OF 10 MILLION IS GONNA COME HERE OR 5 MILLION FROM THERE. THIS IS WHAT THE CITY IS GONNA CONTRIBUTE. WE'RE COMING TO THE TAXPAYERS TO COME UP WITH THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND THEN THAT WAY THEY HAVE ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AND SO FORTH, BUT WE DECIDED ON SITE LOCATION, CONCEPT DESIGN AND ALL THREE ARE MOST IMPORTANT, BUT WE CAN STILL COMBINE THEM ALL TOGETHER. WELL, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE ROUGH MATH. 75 MILLION IF THAT'S THE CITY'S PORTION AT 500 SQUARE FEET, UH, DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT IS, UM ROUGHLY I JUST LOST IT. 750 A SQUARE FOOT WOULD GET YOU 100,000 SQUARE FEET. SO IF THE UH IF THE COST WAS TWICE THAT WHICH IS WHAT I ACTUALLY THINK IT MIGHT BE, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING MORE LIKE 50 TO 75,000 SQUARE FEET OF A FACILITY . NOW WHAT THEY'VE SAID AT THE BEGINNING IS THAT THAT THEIR RANGE IS 60 TO 70 UP TO MAYBE 1 10 1 2130. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1 21 30 AT $1000 A SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S TWICE OUR BUDGET. SO I'M WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY FOCUS. EVEN IF WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE SAME SIDE. WE REALLY SHOULD BUILD UP THIS THIS LAKE INTO A PARK BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A TREASURE. IT'S SUCH AN AMENITY SO AND THAT MIGHT BE 10 MILLION OF IT AS WELL. AND THEN THERE'S POTENTIAL TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH WE NEED TO BE ENGAGED WITH. BUT IF WE'RE NOT, BUT IN TERMS OF STATE AND FEDERAL GRANT DOLLARS IF WE PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET, AND THEN DON'T GET IT, IT THREATENS THE PROJECT. SO I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT AS THE PROJECT. YEAH. I THINK MAYOR TO THE SPIRIT OF THE QUESTION YOU ASKED OF THE THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE. IN THEORY VERSUS THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE VERSUS THE PRIORITIES. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS AND CANDIDLY LIKE I DON'T THINK ANYONE UP HERE IS GONNA SIT AND MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. I THINK EVERYONE'S GONNA HEDGE SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT HOW THIS IS A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION. NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN HERE IS GONNA TELL THE SENIORS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DE PRIORITIZED OVER A LIBRARY IN ACTIVITY CENTER, AND I GUARANTEE YOU OF ZUNIGA WERE HERE. HE'D BE LOSING HIS MIND OVER THE THIS QUESTION BECAUSE HE WANTS A LIBRARY MORE THAN ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE. IT IS THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO. I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT DIS. I AGREE, BUT IT IT'S NOT THIS IS WHY WE THEY HAVE BEEN THEY WERE MISLED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST. THIS IS WHY THEY DON'T HAVE A FACILITY NOW, AND THIS IS WHY MY CONCERN AND WHAT LED TO MY STATEMENTS TO YOU GUYS BEFORE WHICH SOME OF YOU STILL ARE SHAKING YOUR HEADS AT ME FOR IS I DON'T WANT YOU FEELING THAT SAME WAY WHEN THIS IS ALL DONE. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A

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BETTER PATHWAY FORWARD ON HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE IS GONNA GET WHAT THEY WANT. AND LOOK, THEY ARE GONNA BE GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE GOVERNMENT HAVE FAILED THEM AFTER THIS PROCESS UNLESS WE GET OUR YOU KNOW WHAT'S TOGETHER AND JUST AND ARE WILLING TO MAKE AN UNPOPULAR STATEMENT SITTING HERE THAT MIGHT UPSET SOMEBODY. WE'RE NOT. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS IS GONNA OK, WE'LL MAKE YOUR STATEMENT YOU ALREADY INCLUDED IN QUESTION. SO IF WE WERE TO, I'M SORRY. SO RIGHT NOW WE TRYING TO STICK TO A BUDGET TO NOT GO OVER THE TAX THAT WE HAVE INITIALLY PROPOSED WHEN WE DID THE ROAD BOND, AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THERE YET. WHY DON'T WE ASK WHAT WOULD BE THE COST ESTIMATE? UM FOR THE FACILITY THAT WE ARE ALL WANTING. AND HOW MUCH TAX INCREASE WILL THAT CREATE AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE . WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CAP IT AT 59 CENTS, AND SO IT'S LIKE WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING HANDCUFFS ON WHAT WE CAN DO AND TRY TO KICK SOMEBODY OFF THE ROAD, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE VISION WE NEED TO HAVE, BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET CHOPPED OFF, AND I DON'T I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. AND THE THING ABOUT THE THING ABOUT A BOND IS THAT IT'S A BOND PROPOSITION. IT'S A PROPOSAL. IT'S A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO ASK, AND WE HAVE TO PUT SOME GUARDS AROUND THAT WE HAVE TO SAY. WE PROPOSE THIS? YES OR NO? SO WE HAVE TO. WE HAVE TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST IS COME UP WITH THE GUARD RAILS SO THAT WE CAN PROPOSE SOMETHING. IF YOU WANT TO PROPOSE A 70 CENT TAX RATE AND LET'S GIVE THEM YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROPOSE WHATEVER WE WANT, BUT WE CAN ONLY PROPOSE ONE THING AND WE'RE ONLY GONNA GET ONE SHOT AT IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE GUYS WERE EVEN THERE YET, BECAUSE AGAIN, I KEEP GOING BACK TO LET'S DECIDE. WHAT LOCATION EITHER OPTION A OR OPTION B WOULD BE FEASIBLE. FIRST OF ALL TO BUILD ON. AND LET'S SEE HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE WE OWN FIRST. ONCE WE FIND OUT HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE IS FEASIBLE TO BUILD ON WHAT KIND OF A CONCEPT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK THERE. THEN WE COULD GO BACK AND HAMMER OUT WHO'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER. WE'VE GOT TO FIND THE LOCATION FIRST. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IF WE CAN GET STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS FEASIBLE AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT HERE AT THE PARKING HERE AT THIS SIDE AND SO FORTH OR AN ADDITIONAL 70,000. THIS SITE OVER HERE IS GREAT. WE WILL JUST HAVE TO MAYBE ADD AN ADDITIONAL MILLION OR SO FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF OR THE FOUNDING, BUT WE CAN DO THAT. BUT THIS DESIGN AS YOU CAN SEE IF YOU LOOK AT DAISY LANE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAN YOU WOULD HAVE AT VISTA PARK. OK BECAUSE THERE'S TWO SECTIONS. IF YOU LOOK AT VISTA, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO SECONDS TWO SECTIONS RIGHT UP THERE ON TOP OF THE HILL AND RIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BIG LAND IS SO I THINK OUR MAIN THING IS WHAT CAN WE UTILIZE? WHAT WHAT IS IT THAT WE OWN FIRST, AND WE CAN BASICALLY BUILD ON? AND THEN ONCE WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT WE CAN SAY THIS WOULD WORK BETTER BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHAT WE OWE AND THEN WE CAN GO ON OF WHO'S MORE PRIORITY SENIORS LIBRARY AND SO FORTH. IT'S ALL IN THERE. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG ARGUMENT IS. WE JUST GOTTA IDENTIFY THE LOCATION WHAT WE CAN BUILD AND THEN FROM THERE, IF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, AND THEN WE CAN BUILD FROM THERE. AND THEN WE CAN START DISSECTING IF WE NEED TO CUT BACK ON THIS, AND WE NEED TO CUT BACK ON THAT. IT'S STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO. SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. SO FOR NO GOING BEAR GO. I WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, LIKE I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT MAKES THIS PROCESS MORE LEGITIMATE FOR US MOVING FORWARD WHEN WE DON'T IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE HAVE 60,000 SQUARE FEET ON ONE PROPERTY VERSUS THE OTHER, WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE BASED ON THE ACREAGE THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE IT. IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY. SO THE QUESTION IS PRIORITY AND MONEY. WHAT DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US? IF WE JUST SIT IN? I MEAN, TIME IS IN. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL ON ITEM ONE AND WE HAVE 15 MINUTES LEFT IN THIS DEDICATED TIME, AND I HOPE WE'LL GO OVER TO CONTINUE, BUT, UH THEY'RE JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. WE'RE LITERALLY JUST LIKE THE HARD QUESTION WITH THE HARDEST. PART OF THIS PROCESS IS THE QUESTION THE MAYOR ASKED. AND IF WE JUST SIT AND FOCUS ON THE LOCATION FIRST, WHICH TO ME IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. WE ARE WE ARE JUST FORCING OURSELVES TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION AT THE NEXT. THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, AND MAYBE WE AREN'T READY AS A GROUP TO MAKE THAT DECISION, BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE AND ALL DUE RESPECT, IF ANY OF THESE LOCATIONS DON'T WORK, THEN AT LEAST WE KNOW OK, AND THEN AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT

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THESE LOCATIONS WON'T WORK. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION ON THAT END, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT STAFF CAN GO AND DO THAT. BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT DECISION. CHECK OUT THE VIABILITY OF BOTH. WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION ON WHAT THE PRIORITY IS . THAT'S NOT STAFF'S DECISION. SO OUR TIME TOGETHER HERE THE SEVEN OF US SIX OF US SHOULD BE SPENT GIVEN. WE CAN'T HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AT ANY OTHER POINT IN TIME. NEED TO NOT BE ABOUT LOCATION AND NEED TO BE ABOUT USE. BECAUSE THE NEXT QUESTION THEN IS HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? THE LOCATION IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT TO US BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF THIS CONVERSATION, OK, SO WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED WHAT THE USAGE IS. WE HAVEN'T THOUGH, BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO CUT OR HOW DO WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE 100% IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FUND IT? USING THE BOND CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE? WE'RE NOT. WE HAVE NOT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT IS WE COULD HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE COMPONENTS, RIGHT? OR TWO THE SENIORS, THE LIBRARY AND THE REC CENTERS. ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON. I UNDERSTAND THAT I THAT I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE COMPONENTS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO NARROW IT DOWN. WHAT ARE THE USES GOING TO BE THAT WE ALL AGREE ON AND VOTE ON THAT AND THEN BASED ON THAT? THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THREE COMPONENTS. BUT IN MY OPINION, WE HAVE MORE. SO IS IT 33.3 33.3 33.3 IN TERMS OF USE, OR ARE WE GONNA DO 25 25 25 AND THEN IN AN ADDITIONAL 25 OF MIXED IN TO TRY TO FIND MULTI USE SPACE THAT THAT IS, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY THE QUESTION. THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO GIVE TO THE CONSULTANTS WHO ARE GOING TO DESIGN SOMETHING. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR RESOURCES DO YOU WANT APPLYING TOWARDS THESE THINGS OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO WANT. BUT THEN, IF YOU SAY 30% IS GONNA BE SENIOR 40% IS GONNA BE LIBRARY AND THE REMAINING IS GONNA BE SOMETHING ELSE. WHEN THEY'D SAY HOW MUCH LAND DO YOU HAVE? HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU HAVE TO BUILD ON THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH BUILDABLE ACRES ON BOTH PARTS OF MY QUESTION WAS TO SEE WHERE THAT'S AT. WE HAVE ENOUGH LAND ON BOTH PARCELS TO BUILD WHAT WE WANNA BUILD, BUT IT IS NOW LIMITING US IS THE DOLLARS SO AND SO WE GOTTA DECIDE AS A COUNCIL RIGHT NOW. HOW MUCH GOES A SENIOR CENTER. HOW MUCH GOES TO THE LIBRARY? AND HOW MUCH GOES TO THE, UH, REC SPACE AS WELL? SO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS A COUNCIL BECAUSE LAND THE LAND IS BUILDABLE. UH THE THREE BUILDING CONCEPT. YOU JUST MADE THE BUILDING SMALLER BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING THREE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS. SO YOU'RE NOW LOOKING AT WASTE WATER, WATER LINES, EVERYTHING ELSE PARKING. SO YOU'RE TAKING DOLLARS AWAY FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF. IF YOU DO THE THREE BUILDING CONCEPT, AND THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING SO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY COGNIZANT ABOUT THE DOLLARS.

BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED, SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING BACK A PLAN THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT? WHAT THEY NEED FROM US IS WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON WHAT'S WHAT AND BECAUSE THE LAND THAT THAT'S THAT'S A NO POINTER BECAUSE BOTH OF BOTH PROPERTIES ARE ARE BUILDABLE IF IT COMES BACK AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOD PLAIN IS BAD ON THE OTHER ONE. THEN WE JUST DON'T BUILD IT. WE BUILD ON THE OTHER ONE. IS THERE ANY WAY I'M SO SORRY THAT WE CAN AT LEAST EACH OF US IDENTIFY? WHAT ARE THE USES THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THIS BUILDING AND VOTE ON THAT WE CAN I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO START. SO I IF I COULD JUST OFFER ONE THING, II, I THINK, UM IT'S GOOD CONVERSATION TO GET ALL OF THIS OUT HERE. OBVIOUSLY WE ALL WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SPACE, AND I THINK THE PLAN IS TO BRING THIS FORWARD FOR A VOTE IN NOVEMBER. SO THOSE ARE TWO GOOD OUTCOMES OF THE MEETING TODAY, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO DO WITH OUR CONSULTANTS IS COME UP WITH A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE SPACE. HOW MUCH SPACE DO WE NEED FOR THIS GROWING CITY FOR RECREATION FOR LIBRARY AND FOR, UM, THE SENIOR CENTER? AND WHAT WOULD THAT TOTAL NUMBER BE? TO THE MAYOR'S POINT? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THIS THING GOING TO BE IF I COULD GIVE YOU AT LEAST SOME ESTIMATES OF WHAT DO WE THINK THOSE ARE? SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PERHAPS THERE'S A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WORKS? HOW DO WE HAVE TIME? TIME TO BOND? HOW DO WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT? I'LL WORK VERY, VERY QUICKLY. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE IS FRANKLY, BEING ABLE TO PULL ALL THIS OFF IN FOUR MONTHS. UH BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU VERY QUICKLY AS A CONTRACT SO I CAN COME BACK. HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU? WE'D ALSO RECOMMEND SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO YOU AS WELL AS WE TRY TO FINALIZE ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE. BRING YOU BACK A PLAN AND SOME OPTIONS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY'S POINT, IF WE DECIDE THAT WE NEED MORE SPACE, OR WE BELIEVE WE NEED MORE SPACE IN THE 59 CENTS WOULD PROVIDE, THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN OPTION TO DECIDE. DO YOU WANNA HAVE THAT BE A FUTURE PHASE AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD? OR WOULD YOU WANT TO GO AND ASK FOR 65 CENTS, OR 63 CENTS OR SOME OTHER NUMBER? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS I THINK WE COULD GIVE YOU PERHAPS SOME STRUCTURE TO MAKE THAT

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DECISION DOWN THE ROAD. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS YOU'RE STILL LEANING ON A CONSULTANT TO TELL US TO DO. THAT'S THE PROBLEM IN A CONSULTANT CAN TELL US. WE NEED 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF REC SPACE. THEY COULD SAY THAT WE NEED THERE'S THE NEEDS ARE LITERALLY GREATER THAN WHAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PURSUE. SO WE ARE THE ONES IN MY OPINION WHO NEED TO PUT THE GUARD RAILS AROUND THE CONSULTANT OR THE DESIGNER AND SAY, WE WANT YOU TO BUILD WITHIN A BUDGET OF 75 MILLION OR 100 MILLION, AND WE WANT THESE COMPONENTS IN THIS PRIORITY. NOW YOU GO TELL US BUT IF WE DO IT THROUGH THE FORM OF A NEEDS ASSESSMENT WE'VE HAD NEEDS ASSESSMENTS. WE NEED. WE NEED SHARED MEETING SPACE. WE NEED SPACE FOR SENIORS ALL THAT AND WHAT IS THE RIGHT COMBINATION? THAT'S A JUDGMENT CALL THAT THIS GROUP HAS TO MAKE. I'D LIKE TO JUST COME IN ON ON COUNCIL MEMBER RIZO'S I DON'T THINK THE SENIORS ARE SAYING WE NEED OUR OWN SEPARATE BUILDING. THESE COULD BE INTEGRATED BUILDINGS. ALL THREE OF THEM. WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT THE SENIORS HAVE DEDICATED SPACE THAT IS THEIR PRIORITY SPACE AND THEY DON'T GET KICKED OUT. HAVE YOU? HAS ANYBODY BEEN INSIDE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH AT PLUM CREEK? ALL RIGHT, SO THE CONCEPT THERE IS. THEY'VE GOT A CENTRALIZED MEETING AREA, WHICH IS LIKE WHERE THE GALLERY IS THE AUDITORIUM AND THEN SURROUNDING IT. THERE ARE THEY'VE GOT KITCHEN SPACE. THEY GOT MEETING ROOMS, BREAKOUT ROOMS AS LONG AS ALL AROUND A PRIORITY. OUR ABILITY TO ACCESS THE REST OF THAT BUILDINGS IN ADVANTAGE, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS. IT JUST HAS TO BE DEDICATED USE AT CERTAIN PERIODS. YEAH, BUT THAT IT. IS BETTY STILL HERE? BETTY NATTY? YES. OH, THERE YOU ARE, BETTY, SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND I THINK THIS IS MISSION CRITICAL NOW GOING INTO THE NEXT MEETING IS WE NEED TO KNOW LIKE WHAT IS WHAT ARE YOUR NEED TO HAVE? AND WHAT ARE YOUR NICE TO HAVES? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE LIKE WE'RE JUST WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING WE NEEDED TO COMMUNICATE THIS. THIS THIS IS JUST STEP YOU HAVE, AND THAT'S COMPLETELY FAIR. THIS IS JUST STEP ONE. SO MOVING FORWARD . WE NEED TO KNOW THAT AS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OTHERWISE LIKE I IF WE I, I STILL DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS IF THE EXPECTATION OF THE WHOLE IS THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN STAND ALONE FACILITY OR IF YOU'VE BECAUSE THAT THAT WAS THE THAT WAS WHAT YOU WANTED, AT ONE POINT, NOT YOU NECESSARILY. BUT THE GROUP SO IF WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION, YOU ALL NEED TO JUST IT'S GOTTA BE THE MORE DETAILS WE HAVE, THE EASIER IT IS FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE. OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GONNA SIT HERE AND SPIN OUR WHEELS. ANY TIME IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS GONNA BE. WE SHARED IT WITH ONE ENTITY RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE THINKING OF A COMMUNITY W. THAT'S EVERYBODY. WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE DINING ROOM WHEN WE WANT IT, AND WITH WHATEVER WE NEED TO HAVE SPACE IF IT'S IF IT'S ALL TOGETHER, THOUGH, WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE SPACE THAT SAYS THIS IS YOUR DINING AREA. THIS IS YOUR KITCHEN. THIS IS YOUR YARD. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL THE CITY AND SAY, CAN WE HAVE THAT DINING ROOM THIS WEEK? BECAUSE WE DO DANCES ON WEEKENDS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. SO THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE NEEDS TO HAVE NICE TO HAVE, BUT RESPECTFULLY, THAT'S THAT'S GONNA PUT US INTO A SITUATION WHERE THE ASKS ARE GREATER THAN OUR ABILITY. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PURSUE IS SOMETHING LIKE, ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE A SMALLER KITCHEN AND A SMALLER, UH, ROOM THAT ARE DEDICATED TO YOU THAT IF YOU'RE WANTING TO HAVE YOUR, UH CERTAIN MEETINGS AT CERTAIN REGULAR INTERVALS YOU CAN. BUT WHENEVER YOU'RE WANTING TO HAVE YOUR MONTHLY BLOWOUT OR YOUR QUARTERLY OR YOUR ANNUAL MEETINGS WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SEVERAL 100 PEOPLE TOGETHER AT ONCE. THAT'S NOT SPACE THAT THAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR YOU TO ONLY BE ABLE TO USE A FEW TIMES A YEAR. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF HOW WE USE OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO YOU TO RESERVE WHICH MEANS IT IS YOURS DURING THE TIMES THAT YOU RESERVE BUT ALSO FOR OUR CAMPERS. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR THAT VARIOUS GROUPS HAVE MAJOR SPACE ISSUES AND BECAUSE WE HAVE NO COMMON AREA TO MEET MEET. SO IT WOULD BE WRONG. OF US, IN MY OPINION TO SPEND ALL OF OUR MONEY TO PUT INTO SOLVING ONE GROUP'S NEEDS AS OPPOSED TO MULTIPLES. LIKE A $600 600 PERSON DINING ROOM THAT SPLITS WITH A WHERE WE COULD HAVE OUR SPACE TO FEED THE 200. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR SPACE TO DO YOUR CAMPERS AND WHATEVER IT COULD BE SHARED WITH THE DIVIDING WALL. WE HAVE TO THINK BIG AND DIVIDE SO WE CAN SHARE SPACES. YEAH EXERCISE DANCES COULD BE ON ONE SIDE AND SOMETHING ELSE. TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA IN A SPARE ONE. AND WE HAVE TO RESERVE IS GONNA GET US IN A BIGGER PICKLE THAN WE ALREADY DO. RESERVE WE DO SPACES AND HAVE TO RESERVE WITH UH, CITY PARK AND REC.

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WELL, THAT'S NOT THE WORST THING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED, THOUGH, IS HAVING TO RESERVE A SPACE BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED. THE CITY ALWAYS GETS FIRST CHOICE AND YOU WELL, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE, BUT IT DOES BECOME BAD IT DOES BECOME BAD. IT'S A BIG CONFLICT OF NOT KNOWING OR HAVING THE SPACE AND THEN BEING CALLED WE NEED. THE CITY NEEDS THE SPACE AND WE'VE ALREADY MADE PLANS. SO IT IT'S NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE CALENDAR FOR 7.5 YEARS. HEY, BETTY, LET'S IF YOU CAN GET US THAT LIST AND OF NEEDS AND WANTS IT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS PROCESS A LOT EASIER FOR US TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHERE WHERE WE BEST CAN SUIT YOUR PRIORITIES AND THE GROUP'S PRIORITIES MOVING FORWARD. OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA KEEP SPINNING THESE WHEELS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, SURE. DEAL. OK? YOU WANNA KNOW THE PRIORITY THAT WAS ONCE HIGH ON MY LIST, BUT THAT THE FURTHER WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, THE LOWER IT GOES, IS THE REC CENTER. FOOD. IT'S A SURPRISE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE REC CENTER HAS GOT THE MOST UNIQUE SPACE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S THE ONE THING THAT CAN'T BE COMBINED AND EASILY USED. UH AND, UH, YOU HAVE TO. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PROGRAM IT AS WELL. PLUS WE ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING THE EXPANSION OF OUR SPORTS FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN OTHER AREAS. SO IS IT TOP PRIORITY THAT WE SPEND OUR MONEY BECAUSE YOU CAN EASILY BUILD A $75 MILLION REC CENTER EASILY, EASILY EASILY. AND IT WON'T EVEN BE THE BEST ONE IN IN THE REGION. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE OUR RESOURCES ARE QUITE LIMITED. SO IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN, LIKE, LET'S SAY WE COULD REALLY SOLVE THE SENIORS WE COULD REALLY SOLVE OUR GATHERING NEEDS. OUR AUDITORIUM NEEDS OUR FOOD NEEDS, UH, LIBRARY ANNEX NEEDS, BUT WE REALLY NEEDED TO SAY LET'S TAKE THE REC CENTER COMPONENT OUT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE WILLING TO PRIORITIZE SO THAT THE DESIGNERS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND START LOOKING AT IT CAN KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE ROOM TO MANEUVER. HEY, WHAT ARE WE HAVING AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. WE OH, I IT'S NOT YOU I'M TALKING ABOUT. IT'S BEAR. HE JUST RAN AWAY. I THOUGHT LET'S TAKE A TEMP. LET'S WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. LITERALLY TALKING TO ME AND I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER. WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER IN EARSHOT TO MAKE THE QUORUM. YEAH. SO WE WERE TALK. WE WERE TRYING TO GET FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PRIORITIES.

WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THEIR WHAT A WHAT ARE WHAT ARE EACH OF US THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ADD INTO A FACILITY FOR ME? IT'S SHARED MEETING SPACE, IRONICALLY, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE ABILITY TO, UH, HOST, UH, LARGE SCALE EVENTS UP TO WE'LL SAY, MAYBE 500 PEOPLE YEAH, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THINK. AND I'M WILLING TO SACRIFICE THE REC CENTER COMPONENTS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THAT'S MY FORCE RANKING. FOR ME. IT'S A SENIORS, AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED OUR DEDICATED SPACE. UM I THINK SHARED THE BIG ROOM, UM, FOR SHARED LIKE HER DANCES. THAT'S OK. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE NEED A DEDICATED KITCHEN. WE'LL USE THAT KITCHEN AT LEAST FIVE DAYS A WEEK. UM AND, UM AND A DEDICATED AREA THAT'S BIG ENOUGH TO FEED OR DO ACTIVITIES FOR OUR GENERAL GROUP. IS THERE A WAY TO DO A KITCHEN? WHERE THIS, LIKE THE SENIORS, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE IT 24 7, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHERS TO USE OR IS IT LIKE WALLED OFF? WE CAN'T SHARE THE SAME. WHY DO WE HAVE TO LIMIT TO ONE KITCHEN, THOUGH? WHAT ARE EXPENSIVE, BUT I KNOW BUT ARE WE GONNA PUT A LIMIT? THE MORE WE GROW, WE WILL NEED A SPACE THAT NEEDS LIKE IF WE EVEN WANTED TO RENT SPACES. YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ROOMS THAT ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL KITCHEN, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LIVE IN OURSELVES IN ONE KITCHEN, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING FOR US TO RIGHT NOW DECIDE WHERE TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE MAKE A DESIGN OF WITH THE NEEDS. YEAH I THINK THAT'D BE PROBLEMATIC FOR SHARED BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPECIAL USES, AND WE'LL HAVE, UM WE'LL BE DOING FUNDED MEALS. SO THERE MAY BE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. IN IN REGARD TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE REC CENTER. UM YOU KNOW, WE

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HAVE OTHER OP OPPORTUNITY. ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY ON THE TABLE, POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE SOME INDOOR SPACE GYM SPACE. UH, SO I FEEL LIKE THAT FOR ME? ALTHOUGH I WANT THIS SPACE FOR PARK PROGRAMMING, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK THAT BOX. OUTSIDE OF THIS PROJECT. UH, SO FOR ME, I, UH MAYOR, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE BASED ON BASED ON THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES, I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE UP THAT AS WELL, IF YOU ELIMINATE THE REC CENTER, THOUGH, IS THAT THAT'S A BIG DRAW TO THE VOTERS. IF YOU TAKE YOU TAKE A PROPOSITION TO THE VOTERS FOR AUDIT SHARED COMMUNITY SPACE AND SENIOR CENTER. AND LIBRARY ANNEX. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE MOTIVATING YOUR AVERAGE. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT CENTER WOULD BE MOTIVATING TO THE WIDEST GROUP OF PEOPLE. BUT ALL OK, FAIR. BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO CHECK THAT BOX AND HAVE REC CENTER AMENITIES. IN ANOTHER LOCATION. WE CAN'T JUST DOUBLE. WE CAN'T JUST NOT EXCLUDE THAT FROM THIS CONVERSATION FOR THE SAKE OF OUR FEAR THAT A BOND WOULDN'T PASS. SO AT THIS FRISCO SENIOR CENTER, UH, THEY'VE GOT THEY HAD PART OF THEIR DEDICATED SENIOR ROOMS WAS LIKE A SHUFFLE BOARD TABLES AND THE POOL. UH, YOU KNOW, BILLIARDS DARTS. THOSE KIND OF THINGS COULD BE CALLED REC CENTER. BUT WHEN I'M THINKING OF REC CENTER AS THE COMPONENTS I'M THINKING OF INDOOR BASKETBALL SLASH VOLLEYBALL COURT, THAT'S ALL. I'M TRYING TO THOSE TWO THINGS IF WE ADD THEM INTO THE SCOPE IN ORDER BASKETBALL AND VOLLEYBALL PLUS AND A, UH, AN OLYMPIC POOL OF SOME KIND OR A OR AN OUTDOOR POOL, THO. THOSE ELEMENTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE BULK OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PURSUE. SO IF WE TOOK THOSE OUT, IT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO PURSUE OTHER TYPES OF REC CENTER ACTIVITIES LIKE BILLIARDS AND YOU KNOW THOSE, YOU KNOW, EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, EXERCISE EQUIPMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY IT. SAID THE LIST OF PRIORITIES WE HAVE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THIS BUILDING AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF CAN WORK WITH THAT. COMMUNICATE THAT TO A DESIGNER AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US, BECAUSE TRYING TO TAKE OUT THE REC CENTER COMPONENT IS NOT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE REC CENTER. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE SENIOR SPACE AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME YOUTH AND PARK SPACE. UH, SPACE FOR PARKS TO, UH, THEIR PROGRAMMING, TOO. AND TO INCLUDE THE LIBRARY IN A LITTLE MUSEUM, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT EITHER IS WHAT DOES THE SCOPE OF THE REC CENTER LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO WE LOOK? WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING ON THAT? AND BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN I HEARD A PULL. I HADN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE, SO I I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AS FAR AS A REC CENTER. WHAT WHAT KIND OF SPACE WHAT KIND OF NEEDS WE'RE LOOKING FOR? BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT SENIOR CENTER. WE TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY. WE HAVEN'T REALLY DOVE INTO THE REC CENTER. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? ARE WE JUST LOOKING FOR A BASKETBALL COURT SHARED SLASH VOL. BALL WHATEVER IT IS COURTS, UM OR ARE WE LOOKING AT ALSO SWIMMING POOL? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT A WEIGHT ROOM. WHAT WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? FOR THE REC CENTER? WHAT DO WE WANT TO ASK OR PARKS DEPARTMENT? WHAT THE NEEDS ARE THAT THEY FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW OUR YOUTH WOULD BENEFIT FROM AND WHAT WOULD THAT SIZE BE? NOT JUST YOU WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU ABOUT EVERYBODY OR SENIORS OF THE HAYES Y MC. A IN BUDA HAS AN, UH ALTHOUGH IT'S A 25. IT'S A SMALLER BUT HAVE AN INDOOR SWIMMING POOL. THEY'VE ALSO GOT A ONE OF THOSE STEAM ROOMS. THEY'VE GOT A SPA AIR HOT TUB. THEY'VE ALSO GOT A SMALLER KIDS POOL AND THEN OUTSIDE, THEY HAVE A BIG SPLASH PADS WITH SLIDES AND STUFF. YOU TRY TO BUILD JUST THOSE COMPONENTS. TODAY IS PROBABLY 50 MILLION. I THINK WHEN WE ASKED THE CITY TO COME BACK WITH THOSE PROPOSALS WHOEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE CAN HAVE THEM LOOK AT DIFFERENT REC CENTERS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT SOME OF THE NEWER REC CENTERS ARE BRINGING FORTH BECAUSE WE CAN SAY SWIMMING POOL. WE CAN SAY BASKETBALL COURTS, BUT SOME PLACES MAY HAVE ROCK CLIMBING. THERE'S SOME OTHER PLACES MAY HAVE CROSSFIT TYPE OF FIELDS THAT THEY HAVE INDOOR OUTDOOR. UM OTHER OTHER FACILITIES THAT I'VE SEEN, LIKE IN CALIFORNIA AND OTHER PLACES HAVE, UH, A TWO TIER TYPE OF REC CENTER THAT HAS A WALKABLE CORRECT UPSTAIRS TO WHERE THEY CAN WALK IN THE COLD IN THE RAIN, AND IN THE EVENING THAT'S WELL LIT. IT ALSO COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD WE COULD KEEP OPEN UNTIL LATE HOURS TILL 11 O'CLOCK FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO GET OFF WORK AND NEED A PLACE TO GO AND WORK OUT BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER. ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SAYS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GYMS TO GO BY. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLACES FOR

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OUR CITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND EXERCISE IN THAT LEVEL, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS. AND IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD TO ALSO HEAR FROM OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT TO SEE. WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES THEY WOULD NEED TO UTILIZE. IF THEY HAD A SPACE LIKE THIS IS IT JUST BASKETBALL COURTS OR IT'S OTHER THINGS AND SO FORTH. SO I THINK IF WE GIVE THAT DIRECTION FOR THE CITY TO LOOK AT A REC CENTER COMPONENTS. MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SOME CONSULTANTS COME BACK AND SAY THESE ARE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. AND THIS IS THEIR COST, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANNA BE ABLE TO TAKE AWAY THE RACQUET BALL. OR AS THE UPPER TIER TRACK. DO WE REALLY NEED A SAUNA? OR WE ALREADY HAVE A SWIMMING POOL AND A SPLASH PADS. DO WE NEED A SMALLER ONE? ALSO FOR HOW IS A CONSULTANT GOING TO HELP US BECAUSE YOU JUST GAVE 100 AND $50 MILLION WORTH OF STUFF THAT I WANT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE, BUT HOW DO WE GET A CONSULTANT? IF WE TELL ALL RIGHT, GO FOR THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS AND STUDY ALL THESE OTHER REC CENTERS AND LIBRARIES AND SENIOR CENTERS AND BRING SOMETHING BACK. HOW? HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO BRING THAT INTO ANY KIND OF CLEAR SCOPE THAT THAT THAT WILL BE ACTIONABLE? INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR VALUES ARE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVEN'T WE? WE'RE STILL NOT TELLING. THE GROUP. WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T OUTLINED THEM LIKE THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING, WHY DON'T WE SIT DOWN AND EACH OF US PUTS FOUR OR FIVE THINGS THAT WE WANT THE MOST. AND THEN TAKE A BOAT ON WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS WE WANT TO SEE? SO IF WE HAVE FLEXIBLE SPACE. SO WE CAN CONVERT THAT SPACE. UH AT ANY POINT, SO MAYBE WE NEED BASKETBALL COURTS, RACQUETBALL COURTS, BUT IF WE BUILD FLEXIBLE SPACE, THEN WE CAN HAVE. WHAT WE DISCOVERED IS THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF THAT OR NEEDED USE OF THAT SPACE. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. MARRIAGES GO. DON'T DON'T RAISE YOUR HAND. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO. I FORGET GO. UH SO JUST THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN, UH, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THIS ISN'T IN PLACE OF FEEDBACK FROM PARKS. I'M JUST SHARING INFORMATION. UH, THE BIGGEST CHANGES. UH IN TRENDS ARE VOLLEYBALL. THEY INCREASES OR VOLLEYBALL, BASKETBALL, PICKLE BALL AND HOCKEY ARE THE FOUR I'M SORRY. IN SOCCER ARE THE FIVE THAT HAVE SEEN INCREASES IN PARTICIPATION OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS WITH PICKLE BALL, OBVIOUSLY BEING THE LARGEST BECAUSE IT'S MOST RECENT SURGE. UM AND IT'S THE ONE THAT SENIORS AND INVOLVED THEMSELVES IN WEST I'M SORRY. THAT'S PICKLE BALL IS ONE THAT SENIORS INVOLVED THEMSELVES IN. ABSOLUTELY YEAH. YOU GO TO THE Y MC A IN MORNING AT 9 A.M, AND YOU'LL SEE, UH, THE GYM IS FULL OF UM PEOPLE, SENIORS PLAYING PICKLE BALL. SO I THINK WE WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER WE BUILT FOR THE FUTURE WE BUILT FOR FUTURE GROWTH. UH AND THAT NEEDS TO BE THE MINDSET HERE. AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE OUR THE POTENTIAL THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE FUTURE GROWTH. WE CAN'T BE DOUBLING UP.

WE CAN'T BE DOUBLING UP ON SPACE THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD BE. COULD HAVE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. LIKE WE NEED TO IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE REC CENTER AND TALK ABOUT SPORTS AND PARKS PROGRAMS, WE NEED TO ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT THE SPORTS FLEX PROJECT. AND HOW CAN THE SPORTS LIKE PROJECT CHECK SOME OF THOSE BOXES SO THAT WE HAVE MORE MONEY AND SPACE TO ALLOCATE TO, UH TO OUR SENIORS TO, UM TO OTHER REC CENTER? PRIORITIES UH, LIKE THE I LOVE DARTS. YOU KNOW, I'M AWFUL AT DARTS. I THINK YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THOSE TYPES OF INDOOR ACTIVITIES AND THE LIBRARY. SO WE CAN'T BE WE HAVE TO REALLY BE REGIMENTED WITH HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS FORWARD AND WOW. I LOVE YOUR IDEA OF LAYING OUT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. WE'RE PROBABLY ONLY GONNA ALIGN AS A GROUP ON ONE OR TWO, MAYBE THREE ISH THINGS AND THE REST. WE STILL NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. I I AGREE. SO, I. I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT IT A LAW OR A BASKETBALL HALL. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WE'LL HAVE A RECREATIONAL COMPONENT. THAT'S ALL THE BONDS GONNA HIT, AND WE GOT FOUR YEARS AFTER THE BOND FOR A YEAR, AT LEAST TO DESIGN AND THAT THE NEEDS WILL CHANGE WHEN HE REALIZED IN FIVE YEARS THAT IF WE'VE DEVELOPED THIS FLEXIBLE SPACE IF THERE'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAT WE CAN REALLY WANT, SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS

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JUST MOVE FORWARD ON A BUILDING. LOOK AT THE SCORE FOOTAGE WE'VE GOT AND THEN START BREAKING DOWN THE COMPONENT AS WE GO TO DESIGN RIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. IS THIS BUILD UP A LARGE BUILDING? LET'S SEE WHAT DOLLARS WE HAVE, AND THEN WE'LL ALLOCATE THE SPACE AS WE SEE MOVING UH, ONE REASON WHY THAT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANY LONGER. IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH FOR A BUILDING LIKE THIS. AND IF WE GO AND GET A CONSULTANT, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUSHING THIS BACK. I THINK THE SENIORS HAVE WAITED A LONG TIME. I THINK THE COMMUNITY'S WAITED A LONG TIME. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE START DOING IN REAL TIME. AND ONE REASON IS THAT LOOK, THESE SEATS ARE NOT GUARANTEED. I MEAN, WHAT DOES THE NEXT COUNCIL COME IN? AND DO? I MEAN, I'VE I'VE SEEN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS COMING IN HERE AND TRY TO KILL PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY. SO RIGHT NOW I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DIAS THAT'S WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD ON A BUILDING. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DO THAT IS MOVE FORWARD ON A BUILDING GET IT DONE, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING INSIDE LATER, BUT LET'S GET MOVING ON A BUILDING. LET'S MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFY THE SPOT AS COUNCILOR, TOBIAS SAID, AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD ON THIS BUILDING, AND THEN WE CAN HASH OUT EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT LET'S LET'S TRY TO GET FORWARD ON THIS BECAUSE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, AUGUST WILL BE HERE THAT WE WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME BASIC COMPONENTS OF IDENTIFIED FOR THAT BUILDING IN ORDER TO TAKE IT TO BOND TO GET THE PASS, AND I THINK WE'RE THERE. THANK YOU THAT THAT'S EXACTLY THE WHOLE POINT. I WAS TRYING TO MAKE THIS WHOLE TIME SEE WHICH SIDE WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. WERE ACREAGES. AND IF WE NEED AND WHERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE LIES, IT MEANS THAT THIS LOCATION WILL HAVE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS. OK AND IT'S GONNA RUN THIS MUCH. WE HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE HAVE THE FIGURE ALREADY READY TO GO.

BREAK IT DOWN IN THE STEPS. SAME THING WITH VISTA PARK. SEE HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OF LAND WE HAVE. AND THEN THEY SAID, YEAH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS, INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL OUTAGE WE CAN DO AT THE TOP OF THE HILL. WE CAN BE ABLE TO DESIGN THAT. THEN WE CAN JUST DECIDE ON WHICH LOCATION WE CAN GO WITH FROM THERE. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN AT THE THIS THE CONCEPT DESIGN. I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY SAY, WELL, WE HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE IS THE SENIORS GONNA GET? HOW MUCH ARE PICK A BALL SPACES? WE'RE NOT THERE YET. BECAUSE WE GOTTA SEE WHAT LAND AND WHAT AREA WE CAN REALLY DEVELOP TO BUILD ON AND HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A BUILDING WE CAN BUILD ON AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. THE AMOUNT OF LAND BUILT ON IS THE SAME. NO MATTER WHICH OF THOSE WE PICK, WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST FEASIBLE AS FAR AS THE ROADS AND ALL THAT, MICHAEL I, I I'M WARMING ON THE DIRECTION IN WHICH YOU'RE TRYING TO HEAD I THINK THE FLAW THAT I'M STILL SEEING, THOUGH, IS THAT REGARDLESS OF THE LOCATION, 100,000 SQUARE FEET THAT INCLUDES AN ACTIVITY CENTER. OR INCLUDES A REC CENTER OR A BASKETBALL COURT. THAT CAN CONVERT INTO A VOLLEYBALL COURT IS GOING TO COST. A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAN 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT AND IS MORE WALLS AND NOT AS WIDE OPEN. IT REQUIRES MORE BUILDING AND MORE MATERIALS. SO I THINK THE CONCEPT DOES MATTER. AND MAYBE THE DIRECTION MICHAEL. MAYBE WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS HOW MUCH WHAT IS THE MAX AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND? AND THEN WHAT THAT MONEY IS AND HOW THEN HOW DO WE BREAK THAT DOWN INTO THE OR HOW WE APPLY THAT TO OUR PRIORITIES, AND THEN WE APPLY IT TO WHICH LOCATION BEST SUITS OUR ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE THE BUILD THE ACTUAL DESIGN BUILD ON THAT PLOT OF LAND. SO TO THAT POINT THAT HE JUST BROUGHT UP WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF MONEY. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE ALL CAPPING OURSELVES TO NOT GO OVER THE 59 CENTS. TAX INCREASE THAT WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE SMARTEST THING TO DO, BECAUSE THAT WAY WE ARE LIMITING US OURSELVES INTO THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO HAVE JUST LIKE THE ROAD BOND, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T DO THE INCREASE ALL AT ONCE. IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD SET THE PRIORITIES AND GET AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH THE BUILDING WILL BE. AND THEN WHEN WE PUT THIS FOR THE VOTERS IF IT GOES OVER 59 CENTS IF HE GOES TO 62 63. I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE LET THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT BECAUSE IT WILL NOT GO TO THAT AMOUNT.

RIGHT THE NEXT YEAR. IT WILL BE INCREASED. IT WILL HAPPEN INCREASINGLY, AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO REACH THAT AMOUNT. SO I THINK WE SHOULD DO AN EXERCISE. LIBRARY, SENIOR CENTER REC CENTER. PICK NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO. WHICH ONE DO YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE? WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO HAVE? AND WHICH ONE? ARE YOU WILLING TO LET GO? AND EVERYBODY JUST WRITE IT DOWN SO THAT STAFF CAN GET FEEDBACK MORE THAN JUST ANECDOTAL, BUT LEGITIMATE

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FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE SO THAT AS THEY START TO PURSUE SOME SCOPING FROM A CONSULTANT. THEY CAN AT LEAST SAY THE COUNCILS. FIVE OUT OF SIX OF THEM SAID THAT THE SENIOR CENTER WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND THREE OUT OF SIX OF THEM GOT RID OF THE LIBRARY AND THREE OUT OF SIX OF THEM GOT RID OF THE REC CENTER. DO YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE A BUS OFF? I WOULD SAY, WRITE IT DOWN AND THEN JUST GO 1 TO 1. IF YOU WANT. YOU WANT A REAL RESPONSES THAT NEEDS TO BE ANONYMOUS. OR ELSE? NO I AM TOTALLY WILLING. SO YOU MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA BEAR YOU DON'T LIKE TALKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. COME ON. YOU'VE ALREADY COME. COME AFTER IT. I. I PROMISE. I'M GIVING MY HONEST RESPONSE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING ANYTHING OUT. LIKE WHY DO WHY IS THAT THE MENTALITY THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TAKING OUT. IT'S ABOUT WHAT IT'S ABOUT SHOWING WHAT WE ARE. JUST PUT IT AS A PRIORITY. YOUR TOP THREE YOUR TOP THREE PRIORITIES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ALL THREE, ALL OF US HERE. WE ALL AGREE. CAN WE ALL SENIORS. WE ALL AGREE RE WE ALL AGREE LIBRARY. WE ALL AGREE. REC CAN WE ALL AGREE? LIBRARY CAN WE ALL AGREE SENIORS, SO IT'D BE JUST A MATTER OF TAKING WHAT WILL BE YOUR TOP 12 AND THREE TOP 12 AND THREE TOP 12 AND THREE AND THEN AT LEAST THEY WE COULD SEE A MAJORITY OF WHERE WE'RE ALL AT AND IT'S ALL OUT IN THE OPEN. WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT, AND THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO EMAIL ME WHEN THEY GET HOME. UM AND THEN AT LEAST IT GIVES THEM A DIRECTION FROM WHERE WE'RE AT AND GOING FROM THERE. SO IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO GO FIRST I WILL GO AND GO. MY TOP THREE WOULD BE OF COURSE, SENIORS. LIBRARY AND RECREATION. LIBRARIES NUMBER TWO. YES, SIR. OK? UM MINE WOULD BE THE SAME.

MINE WOULD BE SENIORS, COMMUNITY AND RECREATION AND THEN THE LIBRARY. I'M SORRY. HANG ON.

LORELAI YOU SAID SO THE OPTIONS ARE SENIORS CENTER LIBRARY OR REC CENTER. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE SAME THING SENIOR THEN LIBRARY, THEN W CENTER, SENIOR REC LIBRARY, SENIOR RECON LIBRARY.

THEY SAID, I'M TALKING. WE'RE TALKING COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT'S HOW WE ADVERT BEEN ADVERTISING IT. SO WITH A RECREATION COMPONENT FINE. RECREATION CENTER, SENIOR CENTER LIBRARY AND CHILDREN'S CENTER. UNLESS YOU CAN GIVE ME A LIBRARY THAT HAS THE CHILDREN MUSEUM. REC CENTER, SENIOR CENTER LIBRARY AND CHILDREN'S CENTER UNLESS YOU GIVE ME A LIBRARY THAT HAS THE CHILDREN COMPONENT MUSEUM WITH IT. OK? YEAH, I MADE MY LIST BY ALLOCATION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. OK OF THE OF THE ACTUAL SPACE AND I'M FOLDING HER KIDS INTO LIBRARY. EDUCATIONAL SPACE IN KIDS, OK? NO, NOT YOUR CHILDREN. JEEZ. SO THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE LIBRARY, EDUCATIONAL SPACE THAT SERVES KIDS AND JUST OTHER SURE HE DOESN'T DO FOR HE DOES NOT PLAY BY THE RULES. I AM NUMBER TWO UNDERSTAND? SO I'M GIVING CONTEXT BASED ON A NEED THAT SHE JUST MADE UP OK, NUMBER TWO WOULD BE THE REC CENTER NUMBER THREE WOULD BE SENIORS. IT'S NOT TO SAY I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SENIORS OR WANT SPACE FOR THE SENIORS. 100% I DO. I'M TALKING ABOUT ALLOCATION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S I'M TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE NOW. AS FAR AS HE'S HE'S RIGHT. YEAH IT'S ACTUALLY IRONIC BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE AND NOW I'M LIKE, WELL, I IF I WAS TO PRIORITIZE BASED ON WHAT I THINK THE VOTERS MOST WANT, THE REC CENTER WOULD BE NUMBER ONE SO I WOULD AGREE WITH. I WOULD AGREE WITH DANIELLA, UH, ON THAT, UH, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT I THINK, IS MOST APPROPRIATE. I STILL THINK THE SENIOR SENATORS, UH, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, BUT HERE'S THE THING IF WE'RE GONNA IF WE'RE GOING ALL OUT SENIOR CENTER'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF THIS 2024 BOND. IT HAS TO BE IN COVENANT WITH THE SENIORS. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THE SENIORS TO NOT BE CRITICIZING IT ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL NOVEMBER, BUT TO BE OUR CHAMPIONS, BECAUSE IF IT FAILS, THEN THEN IT'S JUST GONE. AND THERE'S NO THERE'S NO FALLBACK. OH, IF YOU CAN KILL THIS VOTE, THEN RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOME STAND ALONE SENIOR CENTER THAT MAY BE WHAT SOMEONE'S TRYING TO TELL YOU, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT VERY LIKELY TO HAPPEN. SO THAT IF I SAY SENIOR CENTER IF WE ALL SAY SENIOR CENTER IS TOP PRIORITY, THEN WE NEED THE SENIORS TO SAY THAT THE COUNCIL IS CHAMPIONING SOMETHING FOR THEM BECAUSE YOU YOU ALL DO VOTE AND YOU ALL DO HAVE EXTRA TIME TO VOLUNTEER AND HELP US RAISE SUPPORT. UH, FOR A BOND. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP US WITH IF WE SAID THAT THE SENIOR CENTER IS THE NUMBER ONE

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PRIORITY, ALL RIGHT? NO AS LONG AS UM ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'M GOING . SEE I'M GOING SENIOR LIBRARY AND THEN AND THEN REC CENTER, SO I'M PUTTING REC CENTER NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS WHAT I PROPOSED EARLIER. AND THE REASON IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LARGE COST, AND IT HAS SUCH A LARGE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WE'RE BUILDING SPORTS PLEXUS. WE HAVE POTENTIAL TO BUILD AN INDOOR, UH, REC CENTER IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHERS WHERE WE COULD HAVE BASKETBALL AND VOLLEYBALL. AND WHO? WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE? YOU YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT WHAT I KNOW THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR AND THAT IF WE DON'T PURSUE IT, THERE'S WILL BE A SENIOR CENTER. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT IF WE PURSUE, WE'RE NOT DOUBLE DIPPING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ABOUT TO BE ANOTHER SENIOR CENTER. UH, ON THAT SIDE, SO I WOULD SAY SO. WHAT I GOT, SO LET'S SEE OF THE SIX OF US. FOUR OF US, SAID THAT THE SENIOR CENTER WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. UM HALF OF US SAID THAT THE LIBRARY UH WAS I'M SORRY. BEAR SAID THE LIBRARY WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND THEN DANIELLA SAID THE REC CENTER WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXCLUSIVE, LIKE NEEDS TO BE TOGETHER. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS AND OPTION FOR US NOT TO CONSIDER HAVING IT ALL, DO YOU? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MAX NUMBER WE CAN ASK THE VOTERS TO APPROVE. I THINK WE SHOULD BE HEADING TO 115. MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN GOING FOR WHATEVER NUMBER THAT LOOKS LIKE I'M GONNA LOOK AT PEREZ, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INCREASE THAT WILL HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO PRIORITIZE THINGS THAT TO ME. THE NUMBER ONE IN THE LIST IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA BE USED BY EVERY RESIDENT IN KYLE. THE SENIORS WILL BE USING THE REC CENTER TOO. I MEAN, IF WE HAVE, LIKE AQUATICS INVOLVED. I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO JOIN ANY AQUATIC PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE REC CENTER COMPONENT. ALSO IF WE HAVE, LIKE EXERCISES GEARED TOWARDS, UH, SENIORS THEY WILL BE USING THAT. AS WELL AS THEIR SEPARATE LIKE SEPARATE SPACE WITH KITCHEN. WHICH IS WHAT THEY REALLY WANT AND NEED SO IT IT'S NOT SOMETHING EXCLUSIVE. I THINK WE ARE. WE SHOULDN'T BE LIMITING OURSELVES AND THE SCOPE OF THIS BUILDING. IT'S GREAT TO THROW UP NUMBERS, BUT WE GOT TO ASK THE EXPERT IF WE CAN'T JUST THROW IN A NUMBER. SO HERE'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY. LISTEN TO ME, PLEASE. PEREZ WHAT IS OUR BOND RATING AT? THIS IS A PERSON WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT. CAN WE GO ABOVE THE 59% AND WILL THAT HURT OUR BOND RATING IN ANY WAY OR CAPACITY? THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO BORROW. THAT IS WHY WE GOT TO GET THE NUMBERS. GOT TO GET THE NUMBERS. WELCOME TO THE PARTY, PEREZ. SO FOR THE RECORD, I'M PERVEZ, MY CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. THE CITY MANAGER HAS SCHEDULED A SESSION ON MAY 7TH WITH THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR THAT WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TAX RATES AND THE IMPACT OF THE ROAD BONDS AND ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT DAY. SO THAT'S COMING UP AND I THINK THAT QUESTION REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISER ABOUT THE MARKET CONDITIONS AND OUR IMPACT ON THE RATINGS. OUR CURRENT RATING AS WE SPEAK. IS AA MINUS BY STANDARD AND POOR'S. SO I DON'T KNOW. CAN UH, MAYOR PERO THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION? WELL, WHAT WAS A RATING BEFORE THE LAST BOND? IT. IT WAS AND A MINUS. SO IT WAS REAFFIRMED AFTER THE BOND. SOUNDS GOOD, OK, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M I'M LOOKING AT IS. DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BOND IF WE DO DECIDE TO BOND BUT THAT'LL BE ANSWERED ON THE SEVENTH AND, UH, MAKING SURE WE DON'T HURT OUR BOND RATING BECAUSE THE BOND RATING IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S A IT HELPS US SET THE PRICE ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING BACK, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THESE NUMBERS AND, UH, MOVING FORWARD IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THE INCREASE RIGHT NOW DOING THE INCREASE OF 59 PROBABLY WOULDN'T HURT US, BUT ANYTHING ABOVE COULD HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT WE WON'T KNOW THAT. GO AFTER THAT MEETING, SO THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED TO HEAR. EXACTLY CAUSE WE GOTTA SEE WHERE OUR MONEY IS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I KNOW WE WANT THESE THINGS. TRUST ME. I KNOW, BUT WE ARE GONNA BE PAYING THE TAXES ON IT. YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA BE PAYING THE TAXES ON IT. IF WE HAVE TO GO UP, SO YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED. YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED. IF WE HAVE TO GO THAT ROUTE. THAT THERE WOULD BE A TAX INCREASE. WE HAVE LOTS OF VISIONS. LOTS OF WANTS LOTS OF NEEDS. BUT WE ALSO HAVE BILLS TO PAY AT THE END OF THE MONTH HERE IN OUR CITY. AND THAT WOULD ALSO AFFECT ANY KIND OF BORROWING. WE NEED FOR FUTURE USE CORRECT.

THANK YOU. SO AFTER THIS SAY YOU , YOU MOVE YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH THE IDEA THAT THE ONE THING NEXT STEPS. THAT WE HAVE. RIGHT DIRECTION. WELL I. I THINK YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD FOR A

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BOND ELECTION. UM, YOU THERE ARE SOME DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT THE OVERALL RATE IS, BUT WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT LATER. I THINK IT'S CLEAR SENIOR CENTER AND LIBRARY SPACE IS THE PREFERRED AT LEAST THE, UM THE FORCE RANKING. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE MOST OUT OF THE FACILITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO LOCATIONS. UH, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME ENGINEERING ANALYSIS FOR BOTH THOSE LOCATIONS SHOW YOU THE ACCESS KIND OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. WHERE'S THE WATER? WHERE'S THE WASTE WATER? HOW THOSE THINGS WORK? BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION TO YOU MAKE A DECISION ULTIMATELY OF WHERE YOU'D WANT TO PUT THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS TO HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION TO CLARIFY. THAT IS, FRANKLY, IF YOU WEREN'T INTERESTED IN HAVING ANY KIND OF JOINT SPACE OR HAVING AN ELECTION WELL, THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. AND WE WANTED TO GET THAT ANSWER VERY CLEARLY. AND YOU'VE DONE THAT FOR US TODAY. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO FOR YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT THE SPACE WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM HOW WOULD IT WORK? WHAT ARE THE SHARED USE THIS AUDITORIUM? SPACE KITCHENS. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS WE NEED TO COME BACK. AND GIVE YOU A LOT MORE SPECIFICITY ON THAT AND GIVE YOU OPTIONS SO THAT WE CAN START REFINING THIS SO THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER, YOU'LL HAVE A CLEAR RENDERING SITE A CLEAR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT'S GONNA GET BUILT. WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE WORKING YOU THROUGH OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SHOWING YOU ALL THOSE THINGS. UM BUT THAT'S AS I'VE UNDERSTOOD IT. THAT'S THE DIRECTION I GOT FROM THE COUNCIL TODAY. AND IF I'VE MISSTATED ANYTHING, OR YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, PLEASE CORRECT ME. WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CAN BRING YOU THINGS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS THAT WILL START FULFILLING THAT MISSION. TWO THINGS FIRST. CAN THAT MEETING WITH THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR? HAPPEN SOONER THAN SIX WEEKS FROM NOW. WELL IT IT CAN. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT OUR BOND CAPACITY IS. THE PROBLEM IS, WE WON'T KNOW OUR PRAISE VALUES UNTIL PROBABLY LATE APRIL, APRIL 30TH SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE APPRAISED VALUES ARE GONNA BE. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE DAY. I CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WHAT DO WE THINK WE COULD DO? WHAT WOULD IT DO IT IMPACT THE BOND. UH, THE TAX RATE BASED ON AN ESTIMATE, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WE'VE TRIED TO DO IT. OK, UM AND WHAT WAS THE SECOND THING, OK? WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES THAT ARE IN OUR MINDS THAT DON'T LIKE FALL. UH, THAT AREN'T AS LIKE BIG AS SENIOR CENTER LIBRARY REC CENTER , LIKE THERE'S AMENITIES THAT FALL WITHIN THOSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHE WANTS TO HAVE DEDICATED AREAS FOR KIDS LIKE THAT COULD FALL INTO ONE OF THOSE AREAS.

YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THE COMMUNITY SURVEYS THAT THERE'S THOSE WORD CLOUDS THAT KIND OF SHOW THE RESIDENTS LIST. THE THINGS THAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO THEM. I THINK THERE WOULD BE AN INTERESTING EXERCISE FOR YOU ALL TO GIVE FOR US TO GIVE BACK TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF THOSE SMALLER WORDS THAT ARE S. A VIABLE UM LIKE AM, YOU KNOW? I WAS SINGING OF LIKE EDUCATIONAL AREAS WHERE CLASSES COULD BE TAUGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE ITS OWN THING. BUT IT CAN FALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS. SO WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SENIORS BEFORE IN TERMS OF BEING NUMBER THREE OF THREE IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE , ALLOCATION. I SEE A LOT OF THE THINGS THE DEDICATED SPACE THAT THEY NEED IS GONNA BE THE KITCHEN AND SOME OTHER, UM YOU KNOW, SMALLER MEETING ROOM AREAS FOR EVENTS LIKE THESE. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO FIND SOME OF THOSE USES THAT CAN BE ALLOCATED INTO OTHER AREAS SO THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE SPACE FOR THE DOLLARS THAT WE DO HAVE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY FIND OUT ABOUT BUT THERE'S GOT THERE. WE NEED TO TRY TO STREAMLINE THIS EFFORT, OR WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN PUT SOMETHING UP FOR BOND. WE'RE JUST I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL MIDDLE OF APRIL. TO HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE IS IF WE CAN EVEN AFFORD TO DO SOMETHING WHICH I BELIEVE WE CAN, BUT WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT, UM SOMETHING LIKE A 500 SEAT AUDITORIUM AS BEING AN ELEMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE PLANS. THAT THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS THAT THIS IS OUR THIS IS THE BIGGEST CITY MEETING SPACE THAT WE OWN. RIGHT HERE. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. SO BUT THAT'S THE THING . EVERYTHING'S ABOUT PRIORITY BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE. BUT IF WE PRIORITY PRIORITIZE A LARGE GATHERING SPACE THAT MANY GROUPS COULD USE , BUT THAT THE CITY WOULD FUNCTIONALLY HAVE THEN YOU KNOW IT COMES IT COMES AT A COST. THAT SPACE. IF THAT SPACE COULD

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BE MORE FLEXIBLE. IT WOULD HELP. SO HERE'S THE TRADE OFF TO FLEXIBLE SPACE YOU START TALKING ABOUT ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S MAKE IT FLEXIBLE. THEN IT'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S MAKE IT JUST BE LIKE A GYM. WITH A SAGE IT RIGHT. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU DO YOU DRIVE A SPORTS CAR? DO YOU DRIVE SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU WHAT ARE YOU AFTER? AND THE MORE MODULAR YOU MAKE SOMETHING THE LESS SIGNATURE IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GROUPS. THEY USE A SMALLER SPACE. THEY WON'T USE 500 SEAT SPACE. I JUST I THINK THE CITY CAN PRODUCE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY. I THINK WE COULD PACK IT OUT IF WE HAD 500 SEATS. A FEW TIMES A YEAR, AT LEAST A FEW TIMES A YEAR. YEAH. THAT IT'S NOT A THIS IS NOT A CONVENTION CENTER. IT'S NOT A CONVENTION CENTER. THAT'S THAT'S ALSO TRUE. IT'S LIKE IT'S REALLY HARD NOT TO WANNA PLAY EVERYTHING INTO ONE THING. SO AND WE ARE PURSUING A HOTEL CONVENTION CENTER DEAL. BUT I'VE BEEN PURSUING THAT FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE STILL ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY FROM IT. I WILL GO WITH THAT. THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THERE'S WE COULD ALSO DO TRADE OFFS AND AGAIN WITH MY PRES. MY SPEECHES I DID EARLIER. YOU CAN WORK WITH AREA BUSINESSES. YOU CAN HAVE TRADE SHOWS THERE. YOU CAN HAVE JOB FAIRS THERE. HE ALSO RENTED OUT WE NEED TO BRING SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK IN. BUT IN AUDITORIUM AUDITORIUM IS BEING MORE LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE RECESSED, YOU KNOW, SEEING AND AN ACTUAL STAGE LACK THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

BUT A MODULAR SPACE IS MORE FOR LIKE LUNCHEONS AND PARTITIONS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AN ELEVATED STAGE. MAYBE THAT YOU ROLL IN AND CAN ROLL OUT. WE COULD USE THAT FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES AS WELL. IF WE WERE TO EVER IF THERE WAS EVER SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO OUR PERFORMANCES LIKE WE DO WITH THE MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY CELEBRATIONS WHERE WE ALSO DO LIKE THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATIONS , SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE IT'S USED AS A FACILITY EVERY MONTH. WE COULD USE IT FOR SOMETHING. TO PACK IN THE PEOPLE. EVEN IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SMALL GRADUATION CEREMONY FOR SOMETHING. YOU YOU'RE YOU GOTTA LOOK BEYOND THAT AND SAY, WHAT CAN WE USE THAT FOR THAT AREA WITH STATE OF THE CITY. IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

THE MODULAR VERSUS ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE THINKING OF LIKE WE WANT TO BE TRULY A PRESENTATION SPACE FOR THE DRAMATIC ARTS AND FOR PRESENTING YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THE PACK WITH DEDICATED LIGHTS AND A STAGE AND ALL THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS. BUT IF IT'S YOU'RE WANTING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE LUNCHEONS AND GRADUATIONS AND A VARIETY OF THINGS, THEN YOU WANT IT ALL FLAT WITH THE ABILITY TO PARTITION OUT AND MODULAR, BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I GUESS WE CAN HAVE TO DECIDE THAT NOW, BRIAN DO YOU HAVE? MARCHING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR ASSIGNMENT? FOR THE FOR MOVING FORWARD. I HOPE SO. SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO NUMBER TWO. AT LEAST HAVE A NO. WE'RE DONE. SO LET'S LET'S LAND THIS PLANE AS BEST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO GIVE THE BEST FEEDBACK AND WE'LL TALK DOWNTOWN LATER. YEAH I. I THINK I'VE GOT GOOD DIRECTION OF THE THINGS YOU WANNA START LOOKING AT. I THINK SOME OF THESE EXACT ANSWERS OF HOW THINGS WILL LOOK AND WHAT KIND OF THE AUDITORIUM AND WHAT KIND OF SPACE OF THAT WILL COME A LITTLE LATER, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE YOU WANNA GO. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE YOUR INTENTION IS TO GO AND ENGAGE SOMEONE ELSE DO WE WANT A TASK FORCE? DO WE WANT A REVIEW PANEL TO ACTUALLY INTERVIEW THESE FOLKS? ARE WE JUST GONNA LET STAFF JUST WELL? WELL LET ME LET ME JUST SAY, UH, TO MAKE THE DEADLINE. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO AN RFQ PROCESS FOR THIS. UH WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT A FEW FIRMS. UM AND BRING YOU BACK A RECOMMENDATION AND ASK YOU TO VOTE ON THAT CONTRACT. UM, THERE'S A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE THAT'S ALLOWED BY STATE STATUTE TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THREE MONTHS TO PICK A FIRM SO BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING QUICKLY. THAT'D BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A TASK FORCE, THAT'S CERTAINLY YOUR PREROGATIVE, BUT IT WON'T BE A TYPICAL RFQ PROCESS WELL, BUT IF YOU GO OUT FOR A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO INTERVIEW FIRMS, AREN'T YOU? I'LL BE TALKING TO YOU. I'LL I'LL TALK TO TWO OR THREE FIRMS THAT I THINK HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL ABOUT BUILDING SOME OF THESE FACILITIES AROUND THE STATE AND TALK TO THEM THAT THAT I THINK ARE THE LEADING FIRMS SEE WHO'S AVAILABLE TO DO THE WORK. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, COULD THEY TURN IT AROUND AND BE BACK TO US WITH A SCOPE OF WORK AND A CONTRACT WITHIN 30 DAYS OR SO AND BE READY TO GET STARTED? SOME OF THEM MAY NOT BE READY SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT DOING SOME OF THAT KIND OF LEG WORK BEFORE I COULD EVEN BRING YOU A RECOMMENDATION. JUST A GENERAL THOUGHT LAST THING I'M PROBABLY GONNA SAY WE CANNOT ALLOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO BOND OUT AGAIN BEFORE WE GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT. I DON'T WHY? WHO CARES? IT'S THERE'S A PRIORITY FOR US. WE CAN'T BE. IT'S GONNA, AND I'VE SAID THIS TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU OVER THE SINCE I'VE KNOWN YOU THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW OUR TAX DOLLARS AND BOND DOLLARS TO BE

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SPENT BY OTHER ENTITIES THAT ONLY MAKES OUR ABILITY TO SUSTAIN TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH MORE DIFFICULT. WITH EVERY PASSING DOLLAR THAT'S BONDED OUT BY ANOTHER JURISDICTION AND ONLY MAKES OUR JOB MORE MORE DIFFICULT. THAT'S THAT'S IT. CAN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL GETTING SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER? WHICH THEY WILL NOT ? SO THAT'S THAT'S UP TO THE VOTERS. SO WE'LL RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING. WHAT WELL, I. I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE ALL EXPRESSED OUR INTENTIONS TO CALL A BOND IN AUGUST FOR A NOVEMBER ELECTION WILL BE COMPETING WITH THE COUNTY WHO'S GONNA BE GOING FOR A COUNTYWIDE ROAD BOND, OF WHICH SEVERAL PROJECTS WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT THE CITY OF CARL. SO WE IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO CANNIBALIZE OTHER JURISDICTIONS ABILITY TO BIND BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WHAT THEY'RE DOING HAS A BENEFIT TO US AS WELL. BUT ALL THAT SAID DOES THE COUNCIL WANNA BE INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION PROCESS, OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE STAFF BRING IT BACK. I BELIEVE TO BE CLEAR THAT WE CAN CHOOSE EITHER OF THOSE PATHS AND HIT THE EXACT SAME DEADLINES THROUGH A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. BUT DO Y'ALL WANNA BE INVOLVED IN TALKING TO SOME OF THESE FIRMS BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATION IS MADE. DANIELA SAID. YES, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN INTO THE LAST TWO BONDS AND THE PROCESS UNFAMILIAR WITH IT. IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO BE ON IT, I'LL BE ON IT. I'LL I'LL DEFINITELY PARTICIPATE IF COUNCIL HAS A DIFFERENT DESIRE.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT, TOO. WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO I I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU ALL. OF DESIGNING A TASK FORCE IS WHAT? WELL I'M REALLY I'M SAYING, LET'S TAKE IT IN BITE SIZE PIECES. THE FIRST THING THAT'S COMING BACK IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRM TO START DEVELOPING SCOPE AND BUDGET WORK FOR US. DO WE WANNA HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS INVOLVED AND YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING THE WILL OF COUNSEL TO BEAR, NOT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF A TASK FORCE. IT'S NOT LIKE OH, I'M ON A TASK FORCE. THEREFORE, MY OPINIONS MATTER. IT'S I'M ON A TAS. FORCE IN MY JOB IS TO BRING THE WILL OF COUNSEL TO BEAR SO THAT IT SO THAT WE DON'T GET FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN REALIZE THAT WE'VE MADE A MISTAKE, BUT ALSO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HIRING A FIRM TO GET US STARTED. JUST PICKING SOME FOLKS THAT BRIAN CAN BE LIKE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA IN MY OPINION, HE KNOWS BETTER THAN I DO. I THINK IT'S BOTH. I THINK SO. I MEAN, HE KNOWS WHAT WE NEED. YES BUT BUT IT'S STILL HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS BETTER THAN YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO YOU WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HIRING A FIRM. THEN AFTER THAT THE TASK FORCE WOULD START ABOVE. I GUESS I'M CONFUSED. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS OF THIS IS THE VISION OF COUNCIL TO THE, UH TO THE FIRMS AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE THEN WHICH THE FIRM IS GOING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. WE THEN CAN VOTE ON WHICH FIRM TO GO WITH. CAUSE HE'S GONNA BRING US MAYBE TWO OR THREE RIGHT FOR ALL YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE FOUR OR FIVE OR IT COULD JUST BE ONE. AND THEN WE COS WE HAVE LEADERSHIP FROM THE COUNCIL TO SAY THIS IS THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND IN THAT FIRM CAN KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND THEN THERE'S TWO OR THREE OPTIONS.

CORRECT YES, SIR. I. I DID. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY TO, UM FROM A STAFF. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT ANY WAY YOU WANT TO. FIRST OF ALL, UM, BUT THIS IS NOT TO DO A FINAL DESIGN FOR THE FACILITY.

THIS IS NOT TO SELECT WHO IS DESIGNING IT, BUT BUT THIS THIS IS TO GIVE US A BASIC IDEA OF HOW IT WOULD WORK. SOME CONCEPTUAL LAYOUTS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IT DOES IT. YOU COULD USE THE SAME FIRM IF THE VOTERS APPROVE THE PROJECT TO FINALLY DESIGN IT. THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU COULD DO. OR YOU COULD PICK ANOTHER FIRM. THOSE ARE ALL ALL OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN, UH, LOOK AT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ENOUGH LEVEL OF THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. THE VOTERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE VOTING ON. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. NOT A FINAL DESIGN. SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT FOR YOUR DISCUSSION IS IF YOU WANNA HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, FORMER TASK FORCE WILL BRING THOSE A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS. WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND BRING YOU BACK WITH THE COUNCIL ITSELF IS GONNA APPROVE THE CONTRACT. IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. YEAH, BUT I, I JUST I'M THINKING ABOUT THE DID THE LAST SEVERAL TIMES WE'VE TRIED TO DO A DOWNTOWN PLAN OF SOME KIND. THE MOST RECENTLY WE HAD STAFF GO AND BE VERY SMART AND ASTUTE AND BRING ABOUT SOME OPTIONS FOR SOME DOWNTOWN PROJECTS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT, BUT MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD AND WE WERE ALL LIKE THIS IS NOT COMING FROM US. THIS IS NOT IT. IT WASN'T ORGANIC. IT FELT LIKE SOMETHING COMING TO US THAT WE HAD A AND THEN WE REALLY

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GOT OFF TRACK. UH, IT REALLY WAS JUST WE GAVE OUR FEEDBACK WHEN WE HAD THE TIME TO GIVE OUR FEEDBACK AND THAT WAS, BUT IT WAS CART BEFORE THE OX. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY LIKE IF WE HAVE WHAT? NOTHING IF WE IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN RIGHT NOW, IT HELPS US TO GET GROUNDED TO THIS PROJECT SO THAT AS WE'RE CARRYING IT FORWARD, WE KNOW WHO'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE. NO SCENARIO. WE WE'RE LIKE STAFF SCREWED UP. IT'S ON US TO BRING THIS. WE NEED FOR US TO STAY ON THIS DEADLINE. WE THERE IS THERE WILL NEED TO BE CHECKPOINTS BETWEEN STAFF AND WHOEVER IN IN A GROUP THAT IS GOING TO REPRESENT COUNCIL ALONG THE WAY, OR ELSE WE'RE NEVER GONNA STAY ON DEADLINE FOR THE ALREADY TIGHT DEADLINES. WE HAVE SO, MICHAEL, ARE YOU DO YOU WANT? YOU WANT TO BE ON IT? YES SIR. I'LL BE I'LL BE INTERESTED IN HELPING WITH THAT. AND ONE MORE. LAURA LEE THERE. THERE YOU GO. OH, YOU'RE GONNA BE ON OK. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT, I'M STILL CAN BE THE WELL, IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY JUST A I DON'T. WE'LL CALL A TASK FORCE BECAUSE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A POLICY ON IT. SO BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT RQ. IT'S NOT. YOU ARE THE COMMUNITY CENTER TASK FORCE. IT'S YOU'RE HELPING BRIAN BRING FORWARD A FIRM THAT WE CAN HIRE IMMEDIATELY. SO YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS TOO. YOU'RE HEARING CAN YOU GET THIS DONE SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY MORE THAN JUST TO THE CITY MANAGER? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY TO YOU TO HIT THESE TO HIT THESE DEADLINES, AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. SO, UM THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU ON THIS THE SECOND, AT LEAST AS A DECISION POINT. SO THAT'S NEXT WEEK. WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT? AND SO IF WHO WHOEVER WANTS TO BE ON THAT GROUP? WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN ALSO THEN IF YOU WANNA ACTUALLY FORM A TASK FORCE, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN ITEM ON THE SECOND FOR YOU TO DO THAT FOR YOUR POLICY. AND WE CAN WE CAN MAKE ALL THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. BUT THEY, UM TIME IS RUNNING SHORT. WE'LL NEED TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY. THESE MEETINGS HAPPEN DURING THE DAY, OR IS IT GOING TO BE SOMETHING? YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH EMAIL OR BOTH? BOTH AND I'LL MEET YOU ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL DO IT ANY TIME YOU'RE AVAILABLE. YOUR SCHEDULES HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE, CORRECT. FOR THE FIRMS OR THE OR THE MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBERS? UH YES. I MEAN, I JUST AS LONG AS THEY HAVE SOME TIME TO MEET, UM YOU KNOW? I KNOW THAT DURING THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, AND WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT WE HAVE JOBS. I'LL WORK AROUND YOUR JOB. OK GOOD DEAL, AND THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS. IF YOU COULD WORK AROUND THEIR JOBS, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY BOTH HAVE DAYTIME JOBS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING WITH THAT JUST MAKING SURE WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND LIKE WHAT BRIAN SAYS, EVEN IF IT'S A FOUR O'CLOCK SIX O'CLOCK WHATEVER IT IS WHATEVER IT TAKES UP. I'M SURE THAT WE ALL ALL THREE OF US CAN AGREE. HONESTLY I, I THINK WE PROBABLY JUST NEED ONE OR TWO MEETINGS WITH YOU. WE COULD SAY HERE ARE THE FIRMS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED UNLESS YOU HAVE OTHERS. HERE'S WHAT WE LIKE. WHAT? WE DON'T LIKE WHAT WE'D RECOMMEND. WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND THEN SEE WHAT YOU KINDA WANNA DO FROM THERE SOUNDS GOOD AND I. I THINK IF THERE'S A YOU KNOW, A FIRM THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IN PARTICULAR, MAYBE BROWN SAYS THIS IS THIS IS THE ONE I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR Y'ALL TO TALK TO THEM. ASK THEM THE QUESTIONS. CAN YOU DO THIS? CAN YOU DELIVER? WHAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCE, NOT LET IT BE HAND BUT GET IT OUT OF THEM. SO THAT AND FIND OUT WHETHER THEY'RE SERIOUS BECAUSE WHEN WE DID HEROES MEMORIAL PARK VERSUS LAVERDE ON PAPER, THEY BOTH LOOK THE SAME.

BUT IN DELIVERANCE THEY WERE THE OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. SO IT'S YOUR JOB TO FIGURE THAT OUT, AND IT'S NOT EASY BECAUSE NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S YOU DON'T KNOW. AND JUST TO BE FAIR, UH, THE FIRM THAT WE PICKED FOR LA VERDE ACTUALLY. DOING REALLY GOOD. UNFORTUNATELY THE OWNER PASSED AWAY AND THE PEOPLE UNDER HIM WEREN'T ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE MISSION AS AS EFFICIENTLY AS HE WAS. BUT THE ORIGINAL FIRM THAT APPLIED WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT FIRM. UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THE OWNER PASSED AWAY, IT CHANGED THE DYNAMICS OF THAT WHOLE COMPANY. SO UH, BUT IT'S DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE IS MAKING SURE THAT YOU LOOK AT PAST PROJECTS ASK QUESTIONS OF, UH WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND LOOK AT PAST PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEIR TIMELINES DID THEY MEET MEET THOSE TIMELINES. IT'S GONNA BE ON THAT BASIC AND I'M JUST SHARING SOME EXPERIENCE FROM THE LAST TWO THAT I'VE BEEN ACTUALLY FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES. OH, NO, IT'S BEEN A BUNCH OF THEM NOW THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF SO THIS IS GREAT EXPERIENCE. I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT Y'ALL ARE WANTING TO DO THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EXPERIENCE AT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD HAVE SO

[III.2. Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding potential options to develop downtown. (Item Presenter: Will Atkinson, Director of Planning)]

GOOD LUCK, ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM I WAS THINKING WE WOULD HAVE THE DOWNTOWN DISCUSSION LATER.

SO IT'S CAN WE POSTPONE THAT ABSOLUTELY IT FOR CLARIFICATION. LAURA LEE AND DANIELLA ARE THE 22 AND TOBIAS THE THREE OF YOU. OK THANK YOU. AND WE CAN THE APRIL 2ND THING. WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE AN OFFICIAL TASK FORCE FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT WOULD BE ONCE WE PICK SOMEONE TO DESIGN AND A LOT OF THE ACTUAL REGULAR MEETINGS ARE ARE GONNA BE AFTER THE ELECTION BECAUSE THE AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SAY FOR EVERYONE, THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER AND THIS COMMUNITY CENTER IS THAT ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, WE PUT WE FRONT LOADED IT WE SPENT A

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MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS ON DESIGNS AND PLANS. I MEAN, WE HAD IT BUTTONED DOWN. WE GOT A GUARANTEE A GMP A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHAT WE THEN TOOK TO THE VOTERS.

SO WE WERE HEAVILY INVESTED. AND IF THE VOTERS HAD SAID NO, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT RISK.

PROPOSAL THE WAY WE'RE PURSUING THIS IS WE'RE GOING WITH SOME SCHEMATIC. SOME SCOPE. SOME RENDERINGS, A GENERAL IDEA. THEN WE ASK THE VOTERS AND IF THE VOTERS SAY YES, THEN WE'LL START TO DESIGN, WHICH MEANS THAT IN NOVEMBER OF 2020. UH, 20 IN NOVEMBER OF 2020. WE PASSED THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER BOND. WE BROKE GROUND IN FEBRUARY, 3 MONTHS LATER THE FOLLOWING YEAR, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE FRONT LOADED IT. SO THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STRATEGY.

AND I HOPE PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT MEASURING OURSELVES AGAINST THE WAY WE WERE DOING IT WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S A DIFFERENT RISK PROFILE. I THINK IT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE OF US TO SPEND A MILLION A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS ON PLANS WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE VOTERS BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE CATEGORY OF WANT NOT NEED SO I JUST THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER, BUT THE SELECTION OF THIS FIRM IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU? UH, AN ACTION ON THAT? NO, SIR.

I THINK I'VE GOT WHAT I NEED FOR THAT. I'LL BRING YOU BACK AND AN ITEM ON THE, UH, THE SECOND AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL SET UP A MEETING WITH THE THREE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. PARTING WORDS.

FINAL COMMENTS? YEAH JUST REAL QUICK. I WANNA THANK STAFF FOR BEING HERE ON A SATURDAY MORNING. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE Y'ALL DEDICATION. Y'ALL'S TIME. I WANT TO THANK MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL AND THE COMMITTEE CAME OUT TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR BUSY SCHEDULES TO COME OUT HERE. IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO HEAR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY AND I WANNA THANK OUR MAYOR FOR LEADING US THIS MORNING. IT'S EARLY IN THE MORNING. I KNOW WE'RE NOT WARNING PEOPLE, BUT, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE HAD A GREAT III. I WANT TO COMMEND EVERYBODY ON BEING SO CIVIL AND VERY, UH, ENGAGING. IT WAS REALLY GREAT MEETING FELT LIKE WE DID A LOT TODAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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Mar 16, 2024 City Council Special Meeting

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