[1) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding potential projects to be included on the November 2024 Bond Election. ]

COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSED. NEXT UP, REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLDS

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DISCUSSION, PROVIDES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING POTENTIAL PROJECTS TO BE INCLUDED, ON THE NOVEMBER 2024 BOND ELECTION, MISTER LANGLEY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE TIME THIS MORNING. I KNOW THIS IS THIS IS EARLY. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF ITEMS TO DISCUSS TODAY RELATED TO OUR CIP AND, BUDGET INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. SO I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S FAIRLY SHORT. AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE TO GO FROM HERE, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON, OUR BOND PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THE COUNCIL HAS IDENTIFIED COMMUNITY NEEDS FOR SPORTSPLEX RECREATION CENTER SPACE FOR SENIORS AND A VARIETY OF OTHER ITEMS, WE DID HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE 2020 PARK BOND. IT WAS ABOUT $14 MILLION. SEVEN OF THAT WAS FROM THE CITY. AND SEVEN OF THAT WAS FROM THE COUNTY FOR THE SPORTSPLEX, PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT STRATEGIES AND STAFF GIVING STAFF DIRECTION OVER THE OF THE LAST FEW MEETINGS ABOUT WHERE WE WANTED TO GO. THERE WAS A FEBRUARY 2022 VISIONING WORKSHOP IN JUNE OF 23. WE DID A ANOTHER VISIONING WORKSHOP, THERE WAS A COUNCIL VISIONING SESSION IN EARLIER THIS YEAR, FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, AND AT THAT TIME, THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND SPORTSPLEX WAS IDENTIFIED AS TOP PRIORITIES FOR THE COUNCIL.

AND THEN IN MARCH 16TH, COUNCIL DID HAVE A WORK SESSION. AND WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING BACK A JOINT MULTI-PURPOSE COMMUNITY FACILITY THAT WAS A CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME. THEN ON APRIL 16TH, WE DID APPROVE. THE COUNCIL APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH BURDETT CONSULTANTS FOR THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT WAS FOR $120,000 TO DO SOME WORK AND LOOK AT TWO POTENTIAL SITES. FOR THAT. WE ALSO AWARDED THE DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE KYLE SPORTSPLEX , AGAIN, THIS $14 MILLION THAT WAS BOTH CITY AND COUNTY FUNDS. WE AWARDED THAT TO STANTEC CONSULTING. THEN WE NEGOTIATED THAT CONTRACT. WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL ON MAY 7TH.

THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO POSTPONE THAT ITEM. AS YOU CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT THE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT WERE IN FRONT OF YOU IN TERMS OF AN INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, THIS IS SOMEWHAT NEW.

THERE ARE EIGHT ACRES IN THE PLUM CREEK AREA THAT COULD BE USED FOR INDOOR AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP LOOKING TO HAVE A POTENTIAL LEASE AND OPERATIONS ARRANGEMENT FOR A POTENTIAL INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX. SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE SPACE. THIS IS ALL PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE. 250,000FT■!S. IT COUD BE ALSO INCLUDES SOME KIND OF ARENA OR SMALL EVENT VENUE AND SOME TYPE OF ICE RINK, OR MAYBE NOT AN ICE RINK. EIGHT BASKETBALL COURTS, 16 VOLLEYBALL COURTS, RESTAURANT AND PARKING GARAGE. WE'RE ALL KIND OF INCLUDED IN THAT CONCEPT. WE ALSO HIRED A COMPANY CALLED CSL.

THEY SPECIALIZE IN THESE SPORTING VENUES, AND THEY DID A MARKET FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT. THEY CONCLUDED THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NEED AND OPPORTUNITY FOR INDOOR RECREATION FACILITIES, INCLUDING AMATEUR SPORTS, YOUTH SPORTS AND NEW SPORTS THAT AREN'T PREVIOUSLY PLAYED IN THIS REGION. THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE THE PROJECT COULD BE. THIS THE AREA IN GREEN ON THIS MAP IS NEAR THE BRICK AND MORTAR DISTRICT. IT DOES TRAVERSE BOTH THE WEST SIDE AND EAST SIDE OF 1626. HERE YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS OF WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR SOCCER FIELDS COULD BE IN THE OUTDOOR AREA. ALL OF THIS COULD BE PROGRAMED, BY A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL. AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT THIS MOVING FORWARD. BUT THIS IS THE GENERAL LOCATION WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME AVAILABLE PROPERTY THAT'S RECENTLY BECOME AVAILABLE. IT'S FOR SALE. IT'S ABOUT 10,000FT■!S. IT'S AN OPEN, UNFINISHED BUILDING. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 100, PARKING SPACES AND ABOUT 2.75 ACRE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE LOCATION OFF OF DACY LANE THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP. HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THE OF THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, AMPLE PARKING. GOOD GOOD SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE. IT'S AN UNFINISHED SPACE THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THESE, THESE PHOTOS. SO IT COULD BE CONFIGURED ANY NUMBER OF WAYS BASED ON THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND, AND FEEDBACK OF WHERE YOU WANT IT TO GO. WE DO HAVE, LIMITED FUNDING FOR THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE DAY ABOUT DEBT DEFEASANCE AND OUR CAPACITIES. WE IDENTIFIED ABOUT $100 MILLION IN CAPACITY THAT WE COULD HAVE IF WE WERE GOING TO GO UP TO THE 59 CENT TAX RATE. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU CAN'T DO BOTH A COMMUNITY CENTER AND AN INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX AT THE LEVELS THAT AT LEAST THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. SO GIVEN THIS, THE QUESTION REALLY FOR THE COUNCIL IS DO YOU WISH TO PURSUE AN INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX INSTEAD OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN DISCUSSED OR CONTINUE ON WITH THE CURRENT STRATEGY THAT WE'VE BEEN PURSUING? IF YOU WERE TO DO THE POTENTIAL NEW STRATEGY, TRYING TO LAY OUT FOR YOU SOME OPTIONS OF HOW THIS COULD BE DONE, THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX COULD BE ABOUT $65 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT WE WOULD ASK THE

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VOTERS TO CONSIDER, AND IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT, AS WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THAT AND TRY TO FINALIZE THAT GOING FORWARD. IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE THE 1500 DACY LANE, WE THINK IT'S ABOUT 4 TO 6 MILLION, AND THAT'S A VERY, OPEN NUMBER. WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN, WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED A CONTRACT, AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE USES WOULD BE, BUT SOME KIND OF RANGE OF COSTS FOR, RENOVATING THAT PROPERTY. AND THE SPACE COULD BE USED FOR A SENIOR CENTER OR ANY OTHER COMBINATION OF USES THAT THE CITY DESIRED. THERE COULD BE, WE DO HAVE NEEDS FOR OTHER SPACE. CITY HALL IS EVEN THOUGH WE'VE OPENED THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, WE DO HAVE NEED FOR MORE SPACE FOR EMPLOYEES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CREATING IS A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ONE STOP SHOP FOR DEVELOPMENT. THIS COULD BE USED FOR THAT OR SOME OTHER LOCATION AROUND THE AROUND THE CITY. BUT THE POINT IS, IS MORE SPACE IS NEEDED. THE KRUG CENTER, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE THE SENIORS, THIS SPACE COULD BE REIMAGINED AND REPURPOSED. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION IS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HAD IN THE PAST ABOUT WHAT THAT CENTER COULD BE, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. AND LAKE KENSINGTON PARK WITH THE PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED OFF OF DAISY LANE. IF YOU WERE TO NOT DO, THE COMMUNITY CENTER THERE, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME KIND OF SIGNATURE AMENITY ON THAT SIDE OF THE CITY AS WELL. IF YOU WERE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS, THERE'S A VARIETY OF STEPS THAT NEED TO OCCUR OVER THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND UP FIRST WOULD BE AT THE NEXT MEETING ON JUNE 18TH. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT WITH BURDICK CONSULTING. AGAIN. THIS IS THE CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED TO WORK ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER PROJECT. I DO THINK THERE IS WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT WOULD BENEFIT US AS WE LOOKED AT THE LAKE KENSINGTON SITE, BUT SPECIFICALLY, WE'D ASK THEM TO LOOK AT RENDERINGS OF A COMMUNITY CENTER AND TO AND TO SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED. WE WOULD WANT TO STOP THAT WORK, WE WOULD ALSO THEN PROCEED WITH THE CITY OWNED INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX AND PURSUE THAT, BOND ELECTION. IT'S 65 MILLION OR SOME OTHER AMOUNT. AND AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, WE COULD DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD BE ON JUNE 18TH. WE WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO APPROVE AN AMENDED PROPOSAL FROM STANTEC TO INCLUDE THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX. SO RIGHT NOW, WE THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE OUTDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX. THIS WOULD BE TO ADD THE INDOOR COMPONENT TO IT AND MASTER PLAN THAT ENTIRE SITE. SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THEN HOW TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE VOTERS. JUNE 18TH. WE WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF AN RFQ FOR DESIGN SERVICES AT LAKE KENSINGTON PARK IF YOU WANTED TO PURSUE THAT. AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT AND ACQUIRE PROPERTY INITIATED AN RFQ FOR DESIGN SERVICES ON THOSE ACQUIRED PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE WHAT THAT THAT FINISH OUT WOULD LOOK LIKE. LATE JULY, WE WOULD THEN PRESENT YOU WITH PRELIMINARY CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX, GET YOUR INPUT, MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON THAT. AND THEN IF COUNCIL WAS COMFORTABLE BY MID-AUGUST, I THINK IT'S APPROXIMATELY AUGUST 15TH, THE COUNCIL WOULD BE ASKED TO CALL THE BOND ELECTION FOR NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. I'M SURE THERE'S MANY QUESTIONS. BUT AGAIN, THE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS TO ASK YOU WHAT IS THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL ON THESE MATTERS, AND HOW DID YOU WANT TO PROCEED? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. WELL, I WOULD SAY I WAS I SEE SORT OF THREE THINGS. NUMBER ONE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE A I THINK WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE SENIORS, THAT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A COMMUNITY. IF WE MOVE FORWARD AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER IDEA, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT COMMITMENT. BUT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A PROPERTY AND, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO JUST SEE, BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY IS NOT HAS NOT BEEN ACQUIRED. SO, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE PREMATURE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS CAN GO FORWARD EXACTLY AS PROPOSED, BECAUSE, WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. BUT I DO THINK THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PROPOSED THE PROPOSAL DELIVERS A LOT OF VALUE. ANYONE CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS. SO WHEN THIS OUTDOOR SPORTSPLEX, WAS BROUGHT UP TO BOND, WHAT TYPE OF STUDY WAS IT DONE, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAD A STUDY, PRIOR TO 2020, I THINK IT WAS ALWAYS ENVISIONED AS, AN OUTDOOR FACILITY WITH SOCCER FIELDS. I THINK IT WAS LEFT FAIRLY OPEN AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME FOLKS HERE WHO MADE THAT BETTER THAN I DO, BUT I THINK IT WAS MEANT TO BE OPEN. OF WHAT TYPE OF FIELDS AND WHAT TYPE OF USES THAT WERE THERE. SO IT WAS MORE LIKE A PARK WITH SPORTS FACILITIES. HIS TYPE OF BOND THAT WAS JUST OPENED TO A POSSIBILITY OF BEING STUDIED TO SEE WHAT WAS THE BEST USE FOR IT. I'M ASKING BECAUSE I

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HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT WAS PLANNED TO BE OUTDOOR, AN OUTDOOR SPORTS FACILITY LIKE SOCCER FIELDS, SOCCER, BASEBALL, POTENTIALLY OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, I THINK YOU HAD THAT ON THIS SLIDE. DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE WAS IT, HOW MANY ACRES, HOW MANY ACRES WERE? 47.

47 ACRES. THANK YOU. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ON THE SLIDES, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. SO THESE ARE THAT AREA IN GREEN THAT YOU CAN SEE THE ONE THAT IS BEING POINTED OUT, NOT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WHOLE GREEN AREA. THE WHOLE SIDE, I ASSUME, IS THE 47 ACRES. IT MAY BE. I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT, BUT IT'S A IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE AREA FOR BOTH. IT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT. AND THEN YOU GO ACROSS, 1626. THAT'S THE OTHER ONE ON THE RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL OF THAT IS THE BARBELL SHAPED PROPERTY. SO LET'S SAY THAT WE IMPORT THAT FOR THAT OUTDOOR SPORTSPLEX. WE ALREADY HAVE $14 MILLION, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING IDENTIFIED FOR THAT. HOW HOW WOULD WE OPERATE THE OUTDOOR FACILITIES IF WE WERE JUST TO DO THAT? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HAVE WE EVER IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL COMPANIES FOR THAT? WELL, I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE KNOW IF EXACTLY WHAT ALL THE USES WILL BE. SO WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED JUST, JUST YET WHAT THAT WOULD BE. STANTEC IS THE FIRM THAT WE WOULD ASK TO DESIGN THAT, TO LOOK AT ALL THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THEN COME OUT WITH A LAYOUT OF WHAT ALL WOULD BE THERE. AND THEN FROM THERE, WE WOULD LOOK AT HOW WE WOULD OPERATE IT, WHETHER IT WOULD BE A CITY OPERATED OR CONTRACTED OUT OR SOME COMBINATION OF THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED. THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS. SO SINCE WE DIDN'T DO AND WE DID DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE INDOOR SPORTSPLEX, WE DID, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR AN OUTDOOR ONE AND IDENTIFY BY WHAT THE BEST USES FOR THE LAND WOULD BE, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE MONEY APPROVED FOR THAT OUTDOOR SPORTSPLEX. SO IF I COULD, I'LL TELL YOU THE CSL STUDY DOES LOOK AT A VARIETY OF SPORTS AND THE NEEDS FOR THOSE AND THAT INCLUDES A VARIETY OF SPORTS, INCLUDING PICKLEBALL, WHICH IS OUTDOOR. IT COULD BE INDOOR, I SUPPOSE, BUT IT INCLUDES A NUMBER OF SPORTS LIKE THAT. SOCCER IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT STUDY AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE FACTS AND FIGURES IN THAT STUDY. SOFTBALL. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, IT STARTS AROUND PAGE 27 IS WHERE IT GOES INTO IT IDENTIFIES THE, NATIONAL AND STATEWIDE AND REGIONAL TRENDS AND DOES COMPARISON MODELS TO THE MAKEUP OF KYLE COMPARED TO THE THOSE OTHER TRENDS, I ONLY HAVE THE ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE THAT. DO WE HAVE THAT IN THE BACKUP? IT'S A IT'S AN EXHIBIT. IS IT IN THE PRESENTATION. CAN I ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. NOT IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT IS AN EXHIBIT, JUST DANIELLA THE SPORTS THAT IT IT DOES HIGHLIGHT OUR SOCCER, BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL. HOCKEY. THEY DO BASEBALL. THEY DID DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE OUTDOOR, INCLUDING THE INDOOR. YEAH, WE DID THE INDOOR ONE. IT TOOK EVERYTHING IN CONSIDERATION . SORRY, MY MIC IS OFF. SO IT LOOKED AT THE REGION AS A WHOLE AND WHAT WE WERE LACKING, WHAT WE'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE WHAT WOULD WORK WHAT WOULDN'T WORK. SO IT WAS A IT WAS A STUDY FOR ALL THE SPORTS. SO IT TALKED ABOUT INDOOR OUTDOOR SPORTS AS WELL. YEAH. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME GOING OVER TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY IT'S THINGS ARE SPREADING AROUND AND THE WAY THAT THEY ARE THAT ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A WHILE KNOWS THAT WE ARE VERY LOW ON SPORTS FIELD INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE HAVE ZERO INDOOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THERE'S NOT. AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND. SO THE WAY I SEE THE FORMAT GOING INDOOR VERSUS OUTDOOR DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. IT'S THE WAY, YOU KNOW, WE OPERATE THE FACILITY AND THEN WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT GROUPS, YOU KNOW. SO URGE LONE STAR. YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE YOU KNOW, DEPENDING WE WANT TO PUT THE USES IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE GET THE, THE MOST DEMAND. AND THEN WE JUST RUN OPERATIONS WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE, JUST LIKE AT FIVE MILE DAM AND OTHER PLACES. IT WOULD JUST BE A HIGHER LEVEL I GUESS. I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS TOO. WHY DID WE START LEARNING ABOUT THE INDOOR SPORTSPLEX SORT OF REALLY LATE IN THE GAME, BECAUSE THE FIRST VISIONING, THE FIRST, THE TWO VISIONING WORKSHOPS THAT I WAS AT, I NEVER THOUGHT THAT THESE TWO THINGS WOULD BE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER. AND I THOUGHT THAT THE VISION WAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING CENTRAL WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER TOP PRIORITY AND THEN REC CENTER LIBRARY. THAT WAS A

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COMPONENT WHICH I THOUGHT GAVE THE BEST VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEEDS, NOT THAT INDOOR SPORTS AREN'T NEEDED, BUT, OF COURSE, OF COURSE WE WANT THEM. BUT I THOUGHT THE SPORTSPLEX, WHEN Y'ALL WERE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE RFQ, WAS FOR DESIGN OF THE SOCCER FIELDS. THE OUTDOOR STUFF. BUT WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THE FINANCIALS OF THIS SPORTSPLEX STUFF, IF IT'S 70 MILLION FOR THE INDOOR, THEIR PROPOSALS ACCORDING TO WHERE THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT, IT'S ANOTHER 80 FOR THE OUTDOOR. SO YOU GET INTO 140 MILLION AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM OPERATE. AND IF YOU YOU REALLY HAVE TO DEPEND ON ALL OF THE TOURNAMENTS TO BRING IN THE CASH FLOWS AND YOU YOU'RE THOSE HOCKEY, THE HOCKEY RINKS HAVE TO HAVE FILLED, TOURNAMENT CROWDS TEN, TEN A YEAR, WHATEVER, OPERATE CONCESSIONS. AND THEN IT SAYS THAT, YOUR NET REVENUE AFTER COST OF GOODS, STAFFING, OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE, INSURANCE IS $3 MILLION AFTER YOUR FIRST FIVE YEARS. SO YOU ARE HAVE VERY SMALL MARGIN IN $3 MILLION NET REVENUE, BUT YOU HAVE $140 MILLION IN THE SPORTSPLEX TO HAVE A VERY GOOD REGIONAL SPORTSPLEX. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M READY, WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION, FINANCIAL INFORMATION TO I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S RESIDUAL SALES TAX THAT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT, I JUST DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS GOING TO BE COMPETING, HAD I KNOWN THAT, I WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR, WHAT WHAT HAVE BEEN THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SPORTSPLEX BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT? WHAT ARE THE CITY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THIS PARTNERSHIP? AND THEN HOW IS IT GOING TO BE MADE PUBLIC SO THAT IF WE DO PUT IF WE DO GO THIS DIRECTION AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, I JUST NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT. BUT IF WE DO GO IN THIS DIRECTION, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE GET OPERATIONAL? MOST OF THE OPERATIONAL TIME THERE AND IT'S NOT BEING RUN JUST TO, CREATE PRIVATE, DEVELOPMENT BUSINESSES THERE. I NEED, I NEED TO KNOW THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE IN MY MIND, WHEN WE BOND, WE BOND OUT FOR THESE THINGS THAT CAN'T PAY FOR THEMSELVES, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT PAYING FOR IT. I'M. IF YOU CAN GET BOTH, IT'S GREAT. IF YOU CAN BOND FOR SOMETHING THAT CAN'T PAY FOR ITSELF AND IT GENERATES REVENUE, GREAT. YOU GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. BUT I'M A LITTLE BIT UNSURE OF. ARE WE DISTORTING WHAT BONDS MEAN? ARE WE GETTING AWAY FROM THE HOLD ON. LET ME FINISH. YEAH, I KNOW, BUT YOU'RE THE MATH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS LEADING TO THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT CORRECT. IT'S IN THE FINANCIAL REPORT. HANG ON. HE WANTS TO. HE WANTS TO. I'M ON A ROLL. I'M ON A ROLL. SO I GOT A ROLL. I GOT A ROLL, I GOT IT. SO BASED ON WRONG MATH, JUST LET HIM FINISH. THE NUMBERS ARE THERE, SIR. THERE'S A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS OF THE BASEBALL LEAGUES. THE SOCCER LEAGUES.

THEY HAVE TO COME. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE CROWDS TO SHOW UP, IF THE INTENT IS TO HAVE IT REPAY ITSELF AND IF IT CAN'T REPAY ITSELF, THEN WE HAVE A VERY LARGE BUILDING, THAT IS GOING TO DRIVE UP A LOT OF OPERATIONS COSTS FOR OURSELVES. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE AND PUBLIC FOR EVERYONE WITH, WITH, WITH NOT UNDERSTANDING THE, I GUESS THE STRATEGY BECAUSE AS SOMEONE HAS SAID BEFORE, DO WE HAVE THAT MARKET? DO WE REALLY HAVE THE MARKET RIGHT NOW HERE IN THIS AREA? WE'RE STILL A SMALL GROWING TOWN. I DO I DO UNDERSTAND WE ARE CLOSE TO SAN ANTONIO AND AUSTIN, BUT CAN WE CAN WE CAN WE TAKE THIS RISK WITH OUR BOND MONEY? CAN I YOU I'VE ALREADY GONE. SO NOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. COUNCILMEMBER HAUSER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. YEAH, I JUST WANTED THE MATH. THE 100. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING UP WITH THAT. THAT'S NOWHERE IN ANY OF THE MATERIALS. 89. DID YOU READ THE FINANCIAL REPORT? YES. BUT IN TERMS OF THE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BONDING FOR A SPORTSPLEX INDOOR. AND I MEAN, WE'RE WE WOULD ONLY BE BONDING INDOOR BECAUSE THE MONEY IS ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR THE OUTDOOR. THAT THAT DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY IN TERMS OF A BOND. WE DON'T. AND EVEN IF IT DOES, IT STILL GET NO, WE DON'T. WE MAKE THE CHOICES TO HANG ON BEAR.

HANG ON. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IT'S A WORKSHOP. BUT BUT Y'ALL ARE COMING IN HOT ON THIS CONVERSATION, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME DECORUM. SO HE GOT TO GO AND WANTED NOT TO BE INTERRUPTED. BUT BEAR, YOU NEED TO SPEAK YOUR MIND AND NOT ENGAGE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER

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ZUNIGA, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH. JUST KEEP IT NEUTRAL. JUST SPEAK TO YOUR POINT AND YOU CAN CORRECT THIS MATH IF YOU WANT. OKAY AND THEN AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO LET SOMEONE ELSE GO. THANK YOU FOR THE FRAMEWORK OF THIS DISCUSSION. AS IT SAYS, ON ON NUMBER TWO OF SLIDE 11 HERE, PURSUE A 2024 BOND ELECTION FOR 65 MILLION. IT DOES SAY OR OTHER AMOUNT, BUT WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED ANY OTHER AMOUNT. SO TO THROW OUT A NUMBER THAT'S DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT WHEN, YOU KNOW, TELLING EVERYONE ONE HOW SOMEONE FEELS IS A LITTLE MISLEADING. AND JUST THE OUTDOOR FACILITY WAS ALREADY BONDED. SO THAT'S NOT THERE'S NOTHING IN COMPETITION HERE. THAT MONEY, THAT $14 MILLION THAT WAS BONDED OUT IN 2020. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT IS. AND THAT'S FOR AN OUTDOOR FACILITY. SO ANYTHING DISCUSSED TODAY IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO AN INDOOR FACILITY. AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, DIFFERENT IDEAS, DIFFERING IDEAS AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, SPENDING A BULK AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PROVIDE AN AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND AS WE GOT DEEPER INTO THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IT BECAME MORE ABOUT HOW ARE WE GETTING A RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT WHILE ALSO PROVIDING AN AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOND DOLLARS AND MAKING LONG TERM COMMITMENTS THAT WE ALSO NEED, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME AS WE CAN'T, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS. WE CAN'T JUST TAKE A LARGE CHUNK OF MONEY AND HAVE IT BE A SUNK COST THAT WE'RE NEVER, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING COMING BACK TO US, SO AT THE, AT THE VERY LEAST, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT OR AT LEAST FOR ME, WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT AN INDOOR FACILITY AND WE COULD HAVE A TENANT OR A COMPANY COME IN AND OPERATE IT AND MAKE IT A REGIONAL DRAW THAT'S GOING TO BE PAYING US BACK EVERY SINGLE MONTH, EVERY YEAR, NOT ONLY IN POTENTIAL LEASE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE LEAGUE FEES, SALES TAX REVENUES, HOTEL TAX OR OCCUPANCY TAX, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHIP AWAY AT THE OVERALL COST. AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A BIG FINANCIAL INVESTMENT TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE HERE, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING AFFORDABILITY, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IS HOW CAN THAT MONEY PAY US BACK? AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR TO CONSIDER WHEN WE ARE SPENDING OUR DOLLARS AT THIS POINT. SO THE REASON WE GOT HERE IS THAT OUR EYES WERE BIGGER THAN OUR POCKETBOOKS WHEN WE LOOKED AT DOING A LIBRARY, WE STARTED DOING A SPORTS CENTER. WE STARTED A RECREATION HALL. WE STARTED LOOKING AT A COMMUNITY CENTER. WE FOUND OUT THE COST.

WE COULDN'T BE THERE. I MEAN, IT JUST IT WE DON'T HAVE THE BONDING CAPACITY TO BUILD A BUILDING THAT BIG OR THAT LARGE AT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS DOLLARS. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I ALWAYS GET BIGGER THAN OUR POCKETBOOKS, AND WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED. WHAT WHAT OUR NEEDS. AND WHAT DO WE, HOW DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY? LOOK, WE HAVE A LIBRARY RIGHT NOW. IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT BIG, FANCY TWO STORY LIBRARY. IT'D BE AMAZING. I'D LOVE TO HAVE IT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE SMALL DOLLARS WE HAVE FOR OUR BONDING CAPACITY. SO SO WHAT DO WE REALLY NEED? WHAT DO WE DON'T NEED? I MEAN, LIBRARY, WE HAVE ONE. AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO INVEST IN OUR LIBRARY. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW SOMETHING, I HOPE WE CONTINUE TO DO AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP GOOD PROGRAMING OUT OF IT. IT'S AMAZING OUR STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB ALREADY, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT, OPTIONS ON THAT BUILDING FOR THE, MAYBE POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CENTERS OR, YOU KNOW, SENIOR CENTER, WHAT WE WERE DOING. THAT'S A GREAT BUILDING.

IT'S 10,000FT■!S. IT'S A SHELL. AND THE REASON THAT'S SUCH A GREAT BUILDING, BEING A SHELL, IS BECAUSE YOU CAN RUN ALL YOUR UTILITIES. NOTHING'S BUILT OUT, BUT IT'S GOT ALL THE CAPABILITIES TO BUILD IT OUT. WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, EVERYTHING. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS BUILDING IS PROBABLY A GIFT. IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO A PROPERTY LIKE THAT. SO IT'S SOMETHING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING. MAYBE IF WE CAN GET THE RIGHT PRICE. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING. I'M. I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO BE, THINKING ABOUT THE RIGHT PRICE, MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT OVERPAYING FOR STUFF. SOMETHING I DON'T EVER WANT TO DO AS A MUNICIPALITY.

THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE REALLY NEED? AND HONESTLY, EVERY TIME I GO OUT TO EVENTS AND I'M EVERYWHERE, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHEN I GO TO EVENTS, THE ONE THING PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK ME IS, WE'VE GOT NOTHING FOR OUR KIDS. I MEAN, NOTHING AT ALL. AND, WE'VE GOT

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NOTHING FOR OUR KIDS. AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM HISTORY THAT'S TRUE, I'VE GOT FOUR KIDS FROM THE AGES 30 TO 15, AND, MY DAUGHTER USED TO PLAY OUT OF GEORGETOWN. THAT WAS THE CLOSEST THING WE USED TO FIND WAS GEORGETOWN. I HAD TO DRIVE TO GEORGETOWN TWICE A WEEK FOR PRACTICE AND THEN TRAVEL FOR TOURNAMENTS, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING HERE IN KYLE. FINALLY WE STARTED GETTING A COUPLE OF SOFTBALL FIELDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO NOW WE'RE ABLE TO COMPETE MORE LOCALLY, RIGHT NOW MY YOUNGEST, MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER, WE, WE CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PRACTICE. OUR TEAMS CAN'T. I MEAN, WE'RE DEFINITELY DOING AN INJUSTICE TO OUR KIDS.

WE'VE GOT NOWHERE. THIS WHATEVER WE DO IS NOT GOING TO HELP MY DAUGHTER, BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER WILL BE GRADUATED BY THE TIME ANYTHING COMES FORWARD. BUT IT COULD HELP SOMEBODY ELSE'S KID.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT. NO, I'M GOING TO BE A WHILE, TRUST ME. OKAY, I JUST THE HANDS UP.

IT BUGS ME. IT BUGS THE HECK OUT OF ME. PLEASE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS WILL DO IS IT WILL, ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN TO GROW UP IN SPORTS AND BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. YOU KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE ONE THING THAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR KIDS RIGHT NOW IS COMPUTERS. WE'RE NOT GIVING OUR KIDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND PLAY. WE'RE NOT GETTING OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GROW UP IN, IN, IN AN ATMOSPHERE THAT TEACHES THEM ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER. TEAM CHEMISTRY, LEADERSHIP. AND IT GIVES THEM A WORK ETHIC LIKE ANOTHER. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT IS WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR OUR KIDS? AND REALLY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT. I MEAN, SOME IF YOU LOOK AROUND REALLY ASK YOURSELF, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO INVEST IN OUR CHILDREN? WE CAN'T USE THE SCHOOL FACILITIES, I MEAN, JUST AS A CITY, WE FOR OUR OUR BASKETBALL LEAGUE, WE HAD TO RENT OUT A GYM OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS FROM A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

AND SO WHEN I START THINKING ABOUT WANTS AND NEEDS, I THINK A NEED WOULD BE A INDOOR FACILITY.

NOW AS FAR AS AN HOCKEY RINK, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD GET, BEHIND A HOCKEY RINK UNLESS WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH A REALLY GOOD YEARLY PAYOUT. AND WE HAD A, I MEAN, A YEARLY, CASH FLOW COMING IN, GUARANTEED. AND WE HAD A YEARLY, EARLY BUYOUT CLAUSE IN THERE THAT WOULD GUARANTEE THAT WE DID WELL AS A CITY. BUT AS FAR AS HOCKEY RING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS, BUT, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPORTSPLEX FOR OUR KIDS. BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL, CHAIR, EVERYTHING. I MEAN, OUR KIDS RIGHT NOW HAVE TO DRIVE TO SAN ANTONIO AND ROUND ROCK TO THE CLOSEST FACILITIES.

WE'VE GOT NOTHING IN THIS AREA. SO I THINK THE KIDS, FROM AUSTIN , BUDA, KYLE ALL WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS. AND SAN MARCOS WOULD ALL BENEFIT FROM A REALLY NICE SPORTSPLEX, AND WE'D BE INVESTING IN OUR CHILDREN. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILOR HARRIS, COUNCIL MEMBER REZA, I WAS GOING TO SECOND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. MY DAUGHTER IS A COACH. OR WAS A COACH HIGH SCHOOL COACH AND JUNIOR HIGH COACH. MY GRANDKIDS PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS. MY GRANDDAUGHTER PLAYS SOFTBALL AND GOES TO SEGUIN FOR TOURNAMENTS, EVERY OTHER WEEKEND. THAT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF FROM THEM, I, I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE SENIORS. YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO KIDS NEEDING SOME INDOOR FACILITIES AND SOME GOOD BALL FIELDS, SENIORS HAVE ONLY A VERY SMALL SPACE THAT THEY HAVE TOTALLY OUTGROWN, AND THIS ADDITIONAL BUILDING IS CONSIDERED FOR THE SENIOR CENTER WOULD MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT GROUP ENTIRELY. IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. AND IN ANSWER TO MISS HERBAL'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WATER USE OF ICE RINKS, I'M NOT PROPOSING THE ICE RINKS, BUT I DID LOOK AT THAT. IT TAKES ABOUT 12,000 GALLONS TO INITIALLY, FILL AN ICE RINK AND ABOUT 3000 GALLONS A DAY TO MAINTAIN THAT ICE RINK. AND THAT'S ABOUT THE THREE. THE AVERAGE FAMILY OF FOUR USES ABOUT 400 GALLONS A DAY. INTERNAL WITHIN THE HOME.

NOT FOR LAWNS OR ANYTHING. SO LIKE AN APARTMENT, EVEN WOULD USE 400 GALLONS A DAY. SO THAT'S NOT A I WAS SURPRISED. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER TO MAINTAIN THE RINKS. AND I'M ALL FOR INDOOR FACILITIES WITH, MY GOSH, WITH THE HEAT THAT WE HAVE, IT'S REALLY ASTOUNDING.

YOU KNOW, I SIT OUT THERE AND WATCH HER PLAY SOFTBALL AND I AM JUST MELTING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SOFTBALL INDOORS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER SPORTS THAT CAN BE DONE INDOORS. AND PICKLEBALL IS CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR SENIORS, THIS OUTDOOR HEAT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR US, SO INDOOR PICKLEBALL WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR SENIORS AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN SEE REAL BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, AS THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, THIS FACILITY WOULD BE DESIGNED TO BRING IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THE SALES TAXES WERE NOT FIGURED IN INTO THAT ANALYSIS. SO, THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT, WE WOULD NOT BE BONDING AND THINKING WE'RE

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HAVING TO SOMETIMES WE BOND JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER WAY, OF GETTING IT. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING OUT, FROM GENERAL REVENUE FOR THAT BOND. IN THIS CASE, THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL EXCELLENT POTENTIAL, FOR RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WHICH WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE FOR OUR BONDS. SO, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE TO TAKE TO THE VOTERS. YEAH. CAN I TWO MORE FOLLOW UPS BECAUSE. NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT ON HERS REAL QUICK. JUST SAY, YEAH, THERE'S I TOTALLY AGREE ABOUT THE SOFTBALL THING. THAT'S THE REASON MY YOUNGER DAUGHTER IS PLAYING BASKETBALL, NOT SOFTBALL. YEAH, I GOT TIRED OF BEING IN THE DIRT. YEAH. SO IN THE HEAT HAVE WE HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHETHER WE NEED BONDS FOR A PARTNERSHIP. CAN'T WE DO A PARTNERSHIP WITHOUT BONDING AND LET THE PRIVATE BUSINESS TAKE MORE OF THE RISK? AND THEN SECONDLY, I IF WE MOVE TO THE INDOOR SPORTSPLEX, WHICH I'M ALL FOR SUPPORTING THE INDOOR REC, WHICH WHICH WE NEED, BUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE TRY TO HAVE SOME EQUITABLE TYPE OF BONDING FOR THIS CITY? BECAUSE BECAUSE WE ARE AGAIN, CONCENTRATING ON AMENITIES AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BETTER DISTRIBUTION OF OUR BOND DOLLARS TO SUPPORT, A LOT TO SUPPORT NEEDS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, FOR EXAMPLE , I THINK WE LOOKED AT A, PARK, PARK PER CAPITA, WHATEVER, AND, A LOT THERE WAS A LOT OF PARKS THAT HAVE NOT RECEIVED THEIR FAIR SHARE OF INVESTMENT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO LOOK AT HERE, MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME SORT OF EQUITABLE IF WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THIS AS AN INVESTMENT. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE, DIVIDE THAT OUT IN THE BEST USE FOR THE CITY ? I'LL ANSWER THE NO, IT'S JUST HE'S JUST POSING. HE'S POSING QUESTIONS. HE KNOWS THE ANSWERS TO MOST OF THOSE QUESTIONS ALREADY. SO COUNCILMEMBER PARSLEY, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD LET OUR CITY MANAGER ANSWER, THOUGH. TRAVIS. WELL, YOU POSED YOU POSED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT HE HE HE HAS HE CAN HE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ON EQUITY. WELL ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO THE BOND. THE BONDS AND THE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP HAS NOT BEEN ASKED DO WE NEED TO BOND FOR PRIVATE P FOR P3 OR CAN WE CAN WE BOND FOR AND CAN WE DOUBLE UP ON A BOND? AND OF ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED, THAT'S THE ONE I WOULD ANSWER. THERE ARE OTHERS ARE POLICY QUESTIONS I THINK, FOR THE COUNCIL. RIGHT. I THINK THE MAYOR'S POINT ON THE BOND, THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PARTICIPATION IN IT. THE BONDING WOULD BE NECESSARY. THEY DO HAVE SOME REVENUES THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED BACK TO THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT SUFFICIENT TO PAY FOR ALL OF THE COSTS OF THE FACILITY. SO THAT'S THE REASON THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A PARTNERSHIP. AND WE NEED TO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS VERY ACCURATELY. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD A FACILITY FOR ANY PRIVATE USER. SO YOUR INITIAL ARGUMENT, WHAT YOU'RE INITIALLY SAYING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT WE ARE DOING. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR US. SO IF YOU SAY, WELL, I WANT THEM TO PAY FOR IT, THEN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS FOR THEM TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR THEM. SO THIS IS THIS IS A THIS IS A MULTI-SPORT INDOOR FACILITY THAT IS A TAG ON TO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY HAD VOTER APPROVAL ON. AND WE'RE WE'RE CONTEMPLATING SAYING ESSENTIALLY TO THE VOTERS, WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO BUILD SOME OUTDOOR FIELDS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THIS AN EVEN MORE ROBUST REGIONAL SPORTSPLEX WITH AN INDOOR COMPONENT THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE? BUT, YOU KNOW, THE RINKS, THE ICE RINKS IS REALLY JUST THE CONVERSATION PIECE THAT SORT OF GOT US STARTED. BUT IT COULD BE IT COULD BE INDOOR, LIKE IN WESTFIELD, INDIANA.

WE'VE BEEN THERE WHERE THEY'VE GOT INDOOR FOOTBALL SIZE FIELDS. THE LARGEST FIELD. SO IT COULD BE FOOTBALL. IT COULD ALSO BE LACROSSE. IT CAN ALSO BE AN INDOOR SOCCER FIELD. AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE SOME STANDS, NOT A LOT LIKE SMALL. THINK OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, SELECT TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. VOLLEYBALL, BASKETBALL. YOU DON'T WANT ONE OPERATOR NECESSARILY OPERATING THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT LEAGUES THAT ARE AT PLAY. BUT WE WOULD BE THE MAIN OPERATOR OVER THE ENTIRE FACILITY. AND THERE COULD THERE BE TOURNAMENTS AND LEAGUES GOING ON ALL THE TIME, AND OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE, THE ABILITY TO RUN PROGRAMING OUT OF EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT OF IT. FOR LOCALS, THERE'D BE FREE TIME, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IT'S OUR BURDEN TO ASK THE VOTERS IF THEY WOULD WANT TO APPROVE. WE CAN'T

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ASK SOMEONE ELSE TO JUST COME IN AND PAY FOR IT IF WE WANT THAT LEVEL OF CONTROL. OTHER THAN INFRASTRUCTURE. CAN YOU GIVE ME THE BEST REASON WHY THIS CAN'T BE BUILT AT LAKE KENSINGTON? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ACREAGE AND WE HAVE THE PROPERTY I CAN GIVE YOU. WE HAVE THE HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE THERE WHERE IT'S VERY GREEN . IT'S CONNECTED TO EVERYTHING. SO GIVE ME THE BEST REASON WHY IT CAN'T BE BUILT THERE. BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE MY SUPPORT. I'LL GIVE YOU THE NUMBER IF IT WERE CENTRAL. THE NUMBER ONE REASON IS IF YOU BUILD A. WE'RE CONTEMPLATING 4 TO 5 MILLION DOOR SWINGS, ANNUALLY, MAYBE, MAYBE EVEN MORE. THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD COME TO A FACILITY LIKE THAT, YOU PUT IT IN A PLACE WHERE THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T APPROPRIATE. YOU CREATE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE. YOU ALSO HAVE PARKING, PARKING CHALLENGES. SO THE 1626, LOCATION ON THE NORTH SIDE IS, IS A IT'S A MUCH BETTER FACILITY FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT. I THINK LAKE KENSINGTON IS PROBABLY BETTER ON A LOWER USE. NOT SO HEAVY INTENSITY OF USE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO DRAW IN SO MANY PEOPLE AND RATHER HAVE THAT BE MORE OF AN, A QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITY FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO LIVE THERE AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, LIKE A REALLY GREAT PARK PROJECT, COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY, THANK YOU. SO I HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS AND THEY MAY BE ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S HOW THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE, NOT PROBABLY LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AGO. WE WERE ALL PROBABLY SITTING IN HERE HAVING A CONVERSATION OF WHAT WERE THE COMPONENTS FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER, WE DETERMINE A TASK FORCE. THE TASK FORCE WAS GIVEN DIRECTION. WE HIRED A COMPANY, AND WE WERE ALL FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER WITH MAYBE HAVING MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT HAVING A LIBRARY COMPONENT, MAYBE HAVING THE SENIORS COMPONENT. NOW, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A POTENTIAL BUILDING FOR THE SENIORS, WHICH I VISITED IN THE PAST, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC, THOUGH IT'S DIFFICULT TO GO FROM THAT CONCEPT WE HAD WHEN WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED THAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED, AND THEN GOING FROM THERE TO AN INDOOR SPORTSPLEX FACILITY WHEN THAT WAS NUMBER FOUR IN THE PRIORITY LIST AND PRIORITY LIST, WHEN WE WENT TO THE VISIONING WORKSHOP, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UP TO YOU GUYS BEFORE. WE PUT NUMBER FOUR TO NUMBER ONE AND SCRATCH EVERYTHING ELSE, I, I DON'T HAVE IF WE WERE TO DO THIS BONDING, IF WE WERE TO BOND FOR $60 MILLION FOR AN INDOOR FACILITY, I WOULD I WOULD NEED WAY MORE INFORMATION STARTING BY THE OPERATIONAL COST. AND WHO IS GOING TO BE, IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE OPERATING THIS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE FINANCIALS ARE, HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ON TOP OF WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE RETURNING TO US? AND IS THIS AND ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE IF WE BRING THAT TO THE VOTERS AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DECIDE, YES, WE WANT THIS, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT, IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE NEED? AND AGAIN, I KNOW I WANT A TWO STORY LIBRARY. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED. WE PROBABLY NEED SOMETHING LESS. BUT IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO USE? THE BOND MONEY. THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE IS THIS WHAT IS WHAT KYLE'S NEED? THE POINT ALSO IS ALL DURING THIS SUMMER AND PROBABLY COUNCIL MEMBER HEIZER IS ONE OF THAT.

THEY CAN TELL YOU THIS THERE NOT ENOUGH FACILITY THAT YOU CAN BRING KIDS INDOORS FOR THEM TO HAVE FUN. THERE'S NOT YOU CAN GO TO THE POOL AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS OUTDOORS, NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REALLY AN INDOOR SPORTSPLEX WITH ICE SKATING RINKS IS GOING TO BE WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED. I WOULD BE COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAKE KENSINGTON, AND HAVING A FACILITY THERE THAT HAS AN INDOOR COMPONENT THAT HAS RECREATION THINGS FOR KIDS TO DO. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING A DESIGN OF THE OUTDOOR SPORTSPLEX AND THEN LESSENING THE SCOPE OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WE HAVE TALKED BEFORE. NOW THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A SPACE FOR THE SENIORS AND THEN TAKE THAT ROUTE, WE ALREADY HIRE A COMPANY THAT IS READY TO GO OUT TO DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. I THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING INTO THAT DIRECTION AND LET THE RESIDENTS DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT IN THAT FACILITY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE HEADED AND WE WERE ALL ON BOARD. SO HOW DO WE MOVE FROM ONE TO THE OTHER? IT'S REALLY, MIND BLOWING FOR ME. WHEN WE WERE AGAIN TWO MONTHS AGO, WE WERE SITTING

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RIGHT HERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE WANTED IN THAT FACILITY, AND WE WERE LIKE SENIORS, COMMUNITY CENTER, RECREATION LIBRARY, MUSEUM OR WHATEVER. AND SO NOW THAT WE HAVE ONE LESS COMPONENT, WHY ARE WE NOT JUST FOCUS ON WHAT WE WANTED AND ALLOW THIS COMPANY TO DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND LET THE RESIDENTS SAY, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN KYLE? WE HAVE ALREADY MONEY FOR AN OUTDOOR FACILITY, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY FIND, WHO WOULD OPERATE THAT FACILITY AND THEN ALLOW FOR BIRDIE TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT THAT THEY GOT HIRED TO DO AND INITIATE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THE WITH TAKING OUT THE COMPONENT OF THE SENIORS. SINCE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ALREADY A LOCATION FOR THEM. SO JUST TO TOUCH ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE PLAN OF LAY KENSINGTON NOT PLEASE, MAY I ASK FOR THE OTHER TWO TASK FORCE MEMBERS TO GIVE AN OPINION ON THIS? SINCE WE GOT APPOINTED BY YOU GUYS. I'M I'M STILL TALKING.

WE HAVE YOU. HANG ON. OKAY. STOP TALKING. WE HAD A TASK FORCE. I AGREE. YOU MADE A PROPOSAL TO HEAR FROM THE TWO OF THEM ON WHAT ARE THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS? THEY CAME RIGHT AFTER ME.

SORRY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE NICE TO EACH OTHER. NO, NO, NO, MIGUEL, I'M GETTING. I'M SEEING MIGUEL. HOSTILITY. MIGUEL, THERE'S NO HOSTILITY. I JUST WANTED MY TURN, OKAY? THAT'S ALL. IT WAS. JUST LIKE YOU TOOK AN HOUR EARLIER. I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES, PLEASE.

YEAH. THERE'S NO HOSTILITY HERE. TRUST ME. SO WHAT? I'M. WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I'M GOING TO BE REALLY JUST, WITH NUMBERS WISE HERE IS GOING TO BE THAT THE FACILITY AT KENSINGTON, WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT 100. THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY FOR IT 100. THEY'RE GOING TO 100% OF THE OPERATIONAL COSTS, THE CLEANING, THE MAINTENANCE, EVERYTHING. THE NOT NECESSARILY. YEAH, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MONEY MAKING BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER FACILITY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD TOURNAMENTS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ICE CAME INTO THIS, BUT THIS IS ABOUT THE VOLLEYBALL, BASKETBALL, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON, THAT'S GOING TO BE A MONEY REVENUE GENERATOR. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GOT TO LOOK AT. DO WE PUT THE WHOLE BURDEN ON THE BACKS OF THE TAXPAYERS, OR DO WE PUT TAKE SOME OF THAT BURDEN ON PEOPLE COMING IN FOR TOURNAMENTS? EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S THE QUESTION WE ASK. I'M NOT SAYING EITHER OR. I'M JUST SAYING ONE PEOPLE. THERE'S TOURNAMENTS THAT HELP PAY FOR THE COST FOR MAINTENANCE, EVERYTHING. THE OTHER ONE IS SOLELY ON THE TAXPAYER. KENSINGTON WOULD BE SOLELY ON THE TAXPAYER. THE OTHER ONE'S GOING TO HAVE REVENUE COMING IN. AND IF YOU DON'T THINK PEOPLE COME INTO THESE REVENUES, I WHEN I GO TO GEORGETOWN, GO TO SAN ANTONIO, ALL THESE EVENTS, THERE'S PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE THERE, AND THE DOLLARS ARE COMING IN. THERE'S HOTEL TAX, THERE'S EVERY FOOD, EVERYTHING.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT THE PEOPLE COMING IN AND PLAYING THE SPORTS. THEY'RE USING THE AMENITIES AROUND THERE AS WELL, THE HOTEL TAX, EVERYTHING. SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES IS DO WE PUT THE WHOLE BURDEN OF THAT 60 MIL ON THE TAXPAYERS, OR DO WE DO A COMPONENT WHERE IT TAKES SOME REVENUE BACK IN TO LESSEN THAT BURDEN? AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? CAN YOU PUT TWO THINGS ON THE BOND AND LET A RESIDENT SPEAK? DO YOU WANT THIS OR THIS A OR B? AND THEY HAVE TO PICK FROM ONE OF THOSE TWO. WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER BOND FOR AN INDOOR SPORTS FACILITY THAT WE ARE DOING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THIS COMPONENT AND LET THEM PICK? NO, IT'S GOING TO YOU WOULD HAVE A PROPOSITION FOR BOTH PROJECTS, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY PICK BOTH PROJECTS. IT'S EITHER AN UP OR DOWN ON EACH PROJECT. SO IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR EITHER OR. NO NO. BUT THEY COULD VOTE ONE IN AND FAIL THE OTHER OR FAIL ON BOTH. THEY CAN BOTH OR THEY CAN VOTE BOTH. THEY COULD VOTE BOTH IN. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT. IT'S ONE PROJECT. BUT CAN WE CAN WE HAVE A FACILITY? I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A $65 MILLION FACILITY INDOORS. CAN WE CAN WE SEE CAN WE ASK THE COMPANY TO HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR A $30 MILLION FACILITY? WHY NOT? THAT'D BE REALLY SMALL. SMALL? I MEAN, SMALL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO. WE HAVE 60,000 PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN AND NOT ALTHOUGH WE ARE GOING TO HAVE VISITORS. YOU WON'T HAVE ANY VISITORS WITH A SMALL BUILDING. OKAY. SHOW ME THAT A $30 MILLION FACILITY WOULD NOT DO IT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, THAT FACILITY NOW IS PROBABLY ABOUT 50 MIL, SO THINK ABOUT WHAT 30 WILL GET YOU WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SHELL BUILDING, RIGHT? NO, NO, WE CANNOT DO IT.

NO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FULL FINISH OUT BUILDING. I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION COSTS. NOW, WHAT THEY ARE THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER WAS $37 MILLION. THAT BUILDING NOW IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO 60. I MEAN, WITH THE COST AND EVERYTHING, POST COVID, I MEAN, EVERYTHING HAS DOUBLED. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SQUARE FOOTAGE, LOOK AT WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE GOING OUT FOR BUILDING, DO YOU KNOW MAYOR, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PRICE IS. CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO YOU, RIZZO? YEAH. GO AHEAD. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING

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ABOUT THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT WE BOND FOR, OUR RESIDENTS ARE THE TAXPAYERS. SO WE SHOULD BE BUILDING SOMETHING FOR THEM, NOT FOR VISITORS OR VISITORS. DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES HERE. THEY GENERATE SALES TAX. SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE. OKAY ALL RIGHT. YEAH I UNDERSTAND. AND JUST IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE AT EVERYBODY'S THIS IS THIS IS WE'VE REVERTED BACK TO THE TO THE CONUNDRUM OF WHERE WE WERE. SO CONGRATULATIONS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND AT ALL WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF CONVERSATION AND RHETORIC THAT HAS LED TO, TO US BEING IN SUCH A PICKLE AND NOT KNOWING HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION, AND EVERYBODY'S GIVING ANECDOTAL EMOTIONAL EVIDENCE TO TRY TO SOLVE A PROBLEM HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN PROCEED WITH THIS MEETING BASED ON THE I MEAN, WE CANNOT EVEN GO TO NUMBER TWO BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT. THE ONLY OPTION FOR THIS RHETORIC IS JUST WE JUST STOP.

EVERYTHING STOPS. IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL WANT? I THOUGHT WE DECIDED WE DIDN'T WANT THAT AND THAT WE WANTED TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT WOULD WORK AND THAT WOULD SOLVE PROBLEMS FOR THE COMMUNITY, BOTH LOCAL AND IN TERMS OF GENERATING LONG TERM REVENUE, QUALITY OF LIFE, AMENITIES, AS WELL AS REGIONAL DRAWS. DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD OR DO WE NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD? THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION AT THIS POINT. WE WANT TO WANT TO ARGUE AND TRY TO AND FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE INDIVIDUALLY WANT. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO INDIVIDUALLY GET NOTHING. THAT'S THAT'S ALL THAT CAN HAPPEN. AND NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION PUBLICLY.

SO COUNCILOR, COUNCILOR DOBIAS HASN'T GONE YET. COULD YOU PLEASE GO DO THAT? HE HASN'T GONE YET. HE HADN'T ASKED. HE HAD HIS HAND UP. OH, OKAY. YEAH OKAY. WELL THANK YOU EVERYBODY, AGAIN, LET'S REITERATE PROFESSIONALISM AND RESPECT. AND I THINK WE CAN ALL DO THAT, YEAH. THAT'S THIS WOULD BE, THE BIG QUESTION. IS THIS ALL ABOUT REVENUE MAKING OR THE QUALITY OF LIFE? THAT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN. AND AND TO MISS, COUNCIL MEMBERS PARSLEY'S POINT. YES, I AM ON THE TASK FORCE FOR THE, COMMUNITY CENTER REC CENTER ON THAT. AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF.

OKAY, WHERE WHERE DID THE DIRECTION CHANGE FROM THE CONVERSATION OF THIS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HIRING A CONSULTANT TO NOW, NOW, GOING WITH A $65 MILLION POSSIBLE BOND FOR A, REC, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, INDOOR CENTER ON THAT END? SO I GUESS FOR ME, IT'S JUST DIRECT QUESTIONS LIKE, WHERE DO WE COME UP WITH THE $65 MILLION FIGURE? BECAUSE TO ME, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A TAXPAYER. THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS AS A TAXPAYER BECAUSE I LIVE HERE, 65 MILLION FIGURE IS WHERE'S THE ESTIMATE. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE EXACT COST OF WHAT WE WOULD BE UTILIZING IF THIS GOES BEFORE THE VOTERS TO VOTE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST? WOULD IT BE INFRASTRUCTURE, ROAD? AMENITIES OR ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED WITH THIS? IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THAT, THE DESIGN, OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT THERE, BUT IT'S JUST GETTING THAT CONVERSATION. OKAY. WITH THIS CITY STAFF, WOULD WE HAVE CITY STAFF RUNNING THESE FACILITIES? OKAY. THAT WOULD BE WITHIN A BUDGET. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT LATER ON. IF THIS WAS TO GO THROUGH, WHERE ARE WE WITH THE PARKS DIRECTOR AS FAR AS WOULD THIS PERSON BE IN CHARGE OF RUNNING THIS FACILITY, THE OTHER QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE IS HIRING THIRD PARTY VENDORS AND CONTRACTORS. HOW WOULD THIS BENEFIT THE CITY IN THE LONG RUN , INCLUDING OUR LIABILITY IF WE GO WITH A COMPANY THAT HAS, CERTAIN TYPES OF FRANCHISES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WOULD THE CITY LINE UP WITH THAT IF THEY DECIDED WHEN? BECAUSE CONTRACTS HAVE A BEGINNING AND AN ENDING. SO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND HOW WOULD WE TAKE OVER THOSE CONTRACTS IF WE WERE TO GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, GOING ON THE ISSUE WITH THE CONSULTING WITH BURDETT, IF THE DIRECTION WAS TO CHANGE, WOULD THEY BE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE DESIGN CONCEPT OF LAKE KENSINGTON? BECAUSE I WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO JUST BE WIPED OFF, OFF OUR OFF OUR CHARTS IF WE COULD STILL UTILIZE THEM IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY, TO BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING ON THAT END IN MY LAST ONE WOULD BE FOR US TO GO WITH WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM RIZZO IS SAYING. AND A LOT OF US FEEL WE HAVE NEEDS IN THE CITY. THE CITY

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ALSO HAS NEEDS, INCLUDING PROVIDING A FACILITY FOR CITY FOR THE SENIORS. BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING AT FACILITIES FOR OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN TO LAKE, KYLE, THEY'VE GOT BOXES THAT ARE PILED UP IN THE HALLWAY BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT NO SPACE TO WALK.

THEY'VE GOT STUFF THAT'S JUST IN STORAGE EVERYWHERE FOR, AND WE ARE A GROWING CITY. SO WE ALSO NOT ONLY HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. SO UTILIZING EXISTING BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES VERSUS BUILDING GROUND UP, WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHERE OUR COST SAVINGS ARE. AND I THINK IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT A PLACE LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT 1500, DAISY, I FEEL THAT'S AT LEAST A START TO GO FROM THERE, BUT THE BACK AND FORTH AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DIRECTIONS, I THINK THOSE CONVERSATIONS OR THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GET ANSWERED. SO THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THIS CONVERSATION. THAT'S AGAIN, MY OPINION. COUNCILMAN HARRIS. I THINK WE ARE PRESENTED WITH A WEALTH OF OPTIONS. THAT'S A VERY GOOD PLACE TO BE IN. THE KENSINGTON PROPERTY IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, IT IS A VERY NATURAL AREA, AND I WOULD I WOULD HATE TO SEE A LARGE, VERY LARGE FACILITY GO THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME COMMUNITY FACILITIES, SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY ON THAT SIDE OF THE, OF 35, GO THERE. I THINK THAT WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BOND FOR THE LARGER INDOOR SPORTS FACILITY IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT VISION UNTIL IT WAS PRESENTED TO US. IT WAS LIKE, OH, WOW, THIS IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE INITIAL FUNDING FOR THAT WILL GIVE US A RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT, OUR BOND FOR THE KENSINGTON WOULD NOT GIVE US ANY RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THERE IS AN OPTION FOR THE SENIORS, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL FOR ME. AND FOR MANY OF THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM. AND I JUST I THINK THAT WE COULD DO BOTH. I THINK IF WE BOND FOR THE LARGER INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, WE HAVE THE NUMBERS THAT SHOW IT WILL BE A GOOD INVESTMENT, THAT IT WILL RETURN, MORE, MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE BONDING IT FOR, AND THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE KENSINGTON PROPERTY. AND I'M WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY AND TOBIAS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BURDETT CONTINUE TO WITH THEIR ANALYSIS OF THAT PROJECT, WITH, MAYBE A SMALLER SCOPE OF THAT FACILITY, BUT THEY AREN'T LOOKING AT JUST THE FACILITY.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE GORGEOUS. SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT AN EITHER OR HERE. I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS I THINK JUST IN REGARD TO BURDETT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY, WAS THE IDEA OF MOVING, MOVING ON FROM BURDETT WAS TO OPEN UP THE PROCESS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANOTHER FIRM THAT WAS MORE SPECIALIZED IN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PARKLAND. SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS, ANY SORT OF DIRECTION TO DIMINISH THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PROJECT OR A SHOT AT BURDETT AT ALL. I JUST THINK THE PRIORITY OR THE VISION, AS YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER, SOMEWHAT CHANGED. AND NOW, YOU KNOW, IF BURDETT ENDS UP BEING THE ONE, THEN THEY'RE THE ONE. BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE BEST USE OR BEST COMPANY TO EVALUATE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT EXISTS WITH THAT PARKLAND, THAT WAS AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE REASON WHY NOW I THAT IS NOT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD. ALTHOUGH WE HIRED BURDETT BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS WE HIRED BURDETT WAS THAT THEY WERE EXCELLENT ON ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS. AND THEY HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST THAT WORKS WITH THEM FULL TIME, AND SHE'S ON SITE. SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THE LOGIC THERE. I THINK THEY'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THEIR ANALYSIS OF THIS PROJECT. I WOULD SAY, LET'S CONTINUE THAT WITH US WITH A MODIFICATION OF THE VISION FOR THE BUILDING. AND GET, YOU KNOW, OUR INVESTMENT BACK OUT OF THAT, I AGREE. CAN I JUST JUMP IN? I THINK, SOME SORT OF FACILITY AT LAKE KENSINGTON.

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I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY, I'LL BE JUST VERY SPECIFIC AND CLEAR. I THINK THAT WHEN WE SPEND IN SOME SORT OF LIBRARY, WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS INVESTING IN THE KIDS IN THE FUTURE GENERATIONS.

NOT ALL KIDS WILL PLAY SPORTS. NOT ALL KIDS WILL BE ATHLETES. WE HAVE TO HAVE AS WE INVEST IN THE CITY, FOR FAMILIES THAT MOVE IN OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR KIDS TO PICK UP BOOKS, READ, HAVE SAFE SPACES, GET TUTORING, GET JOB TRAINING. THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE INVESTMENT NEEDS TO BE IN. SO EVERYONE UP HERE, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR PASSION. I ALSO HAVE A PASSION FOR THOSE SCIENTISTS, ENGINEERS AND DOCTORS THAT WE HAVE TO HELP BUILD UP AND SUPPORT. SO THAT'S WHY TO ME, WHETHER WE HAVE A VERY GOOD LIBRARY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IT. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INVESTED IN EDUCATION. SO YOU'RE LOOKING RIGHT AT ME. SO THAT TELLS ME YOU'RE TAKING A SHOT AT ME. NO I'M NOT TAKING A SHOT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO LET ME LET ME TELL YOU WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR DIRECTION. I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. I KNOW YOU DIDN'T GROW UP PLAYING SPORTS. I KNOW YOU NEVER. YOU WERE IN YOUR BOOKS 100. I COULDN'T AFFORD THAT. I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT. WE HAD NOTHING UP HERE. I MEAN, SO NO PERSONAL. WELL, WELL, HE WAS ATTACKING ME THERE. NO, HE WAS JUST LOOKING AT YOU. HE WAS JUST. I KNOW, BUT LOOK, WE GET SO CLOSE. WE GET. WE HAVE WE ALL HAVE PASSION. NO NO, LISTEN. OKAY. PASSION. BUT WE CAN'T HELP IT. SO HERE'S THE DEAL. LOOK, I WE HAVE A LIBRARY. WE HAVE NO SPORTS COMPONENT WHATSOEVER. NOTHING AT ALL. YOUR SON PLAY SPORTS. HE WHEN HE WHEN HE GETS OLDER, HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A PLACE TO REALLY PLAY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE BEGGING AREAS OR TRAVELING HALF ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR HIM TO PLAY.

LOOK, WE'VE GOT A LIBRARY RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NO SPORTS. SO SO DO WE GET TWO LIBRARIES AND THEN NO SPORTS. THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION IS. IT'S NOT ABOUT ATTACKING EACH OTHER OR WE'RE FRIENDS. I DON'T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY. I'M SORRY IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING AT YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

HANG ON. ME. THAT LOOK. SO. ALL RIGHT, SO. CAN CAN I JUST TALK ABOUT THE BURDETT CONTRACT OR SOMETHING TO JUST GIVE US A BREAK FOR A SECOND? SO HOW WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE BURDETT CONTRACT AMOUNT? 120,000. SO THE WHAT THE WHAT IS THE TOTAL SCOPE OF. BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLE. I THINK THE DISSIDENTS ON THE ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE IS JUST THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT A FIRM FOR DESIGNING LAKE KENSINGTON. RIGHT. SO THERE'S THREE DISTINCT ELEMENTS HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OF SEPARATE OUT, FLESH OUT AND TURN INTO REAL PROJECTS. ONE IS THE LAKE KENSINGTON PARK PROJECT. LAKE KENSINGTON IS PROPERTY THAT WE'VE JUST ACQUIRED, BUT IT'S NOT USABLE TO THE PUBLIC. WE ACQUIRED IT PRIMARILY TO BE A PARK THAT'S FIRST AND FOREMOST. AND SO THE COMMUNITY CENTER IDEA, IT WAS LIKE POSSIBLE WE COULD YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN NOW.

MAYBE WE RAISE IT, MAYBE WE DON'T, BUT BUT IT'S PRIMARILY IT'S A PARK PROJECT. SO THE BURDETT CONTRACT, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, WAS TO JUST TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT, OR TO ANALYZE WHETHER A POTENTIAL FACILITY WOULD GO ON LAKE KENSINGTON OR KALVESTA PARK, WHICH IS A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE. BUT WHAT IT MEANS IS IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BOND IN NOVEMBER, PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE HERE IS TO SAY, WE CAN GREENLIGHT THE LAKE KENSINGTON PARK PROJECT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW. WE DO NOT HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THE NOVEMBER BOND, PARK DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE CAN BE CO FUNDED. AND THEN BY GREENLIGHTING AND FULLY FUNDING THAT PROJECT, WE CAN POTENTIALLY BE PURSUING GRANT FUNDING DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL. I THINK THAT PATH LEADS TO GRANT FUNDING. BUT WE FULLY FUND IT UP FRONT SO THAT WE KNOW. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A PATH. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT THE BURDETT CONTRACT IS ON THAT PATH.

BIRDIT'S DOING SOMETHING KIND OF DIFFERENT. SO WHAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, IS GO THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS TO HIRE A FIRM TO ACTUALLY DESIGN LAKE KENSINGTON TO ANALYZE IT. I KNOW WE'VE DONE THE LIDAR. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE WILDLIFE THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. WE NEED TO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE. AND THAT'S A MUCH LARGER CONTRACT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET US TO PURSUE. I WANT US TO GREENLIGHT THAT PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN TAKE IT ASIDE, AND THEN THE LAND DEAL IS THE SAME THING. SO CAN WE KEEP THE BURDETT CONTRACT AND HAVE THEM FINISH OUT THE WORK THAT WE HIRED THEM TO DO? AND THEN CAN WE POTENTIALLY GO TO RFP FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR LAKE KENSINGTON? SO THE BURDETT CONTRACT, AS YOU POINTED OUT, WAS TO LOOK AT THE TWO SITES AND ALSO DO SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND COME BACK WITH RENDERINGS AND CONCEPTUAL IDEAS OF HOW WE COULD BUILD THE COMMUNITY CENTER ON WHICH SITE RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD GIVE US

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BOTH OPTIONS. WE COULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT WORK. BUT THAT WAS, I THINK, DEFINITELY SOME OF THE WORK THEY'VE DONE ON EVALUATED THE SITES IS VERY HELPFUL FOR WHATEVER PROJECT THAT WE DO, BUT BURDETT WAS PICKED WITH NOT WITH AN RFQ PROCESS. AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE HAD A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND ON THAT PROJECT. SO WE LOOKED AT SOME FIRMS, THOUGHT BURDETT DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF GIVING US A QUICK PROPOSAL ON THAT, BUT IT WAS NOT A FORMAL RFQ. AND SO THEY MAY BE THE BEST FIRM TO DO THE LAKE KENSINGTON PROJECT. BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO GO OUT THROUGH THE RFQ PROCESS, EVALUATE ALL FIRMS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PARTNER TO DO THAT. THEY COULD BE GREAT TO DO THAT. I'M SURE THEY WOULD SUBMIT ON IT. AND THEN THE COUNCIL COULD EVALUATE IT. BUT SO BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CANCEL THE BURDETT CONTRACT. BUT CAN THEY FINISH OUT. BUT WE DON'T NEED THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO, ANY TYPE OF COMMUNITY CENTER. YES. THEY WOULD. YOU WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE WITH WITH THEM ON THAT.

IF IT'S REALLY JUST TO FINISH SOME OF THE WORK ON THE SITE AND THEN LOOK AT A PARK PROJECT, I THINK YOU NEED TO CANCEL THE PROJECT AND CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND THEN DO AN RFQ. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. YES, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD FINISH WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEN MAYBE LET THEM KNOW THAT THE SENIOR COMPONENT WOULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT COMMUNITY CENTER. SINCE WE HAVE THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING AND LET THEM, YOU KNOW, REALIZE MAYBE GOING IN A LITTLE SMALLER SCALE TO SEE IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR THEM TO DO IT AT LAKE KENSINGTON, WHICH I THINK MAYBE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE A FACILITY THAT SINCE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PARK AND THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PARKS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT COMPONENT, MAYBE HAVING THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T IF YOU'RE IF YOU TAKE THE IF YOU SOLVE THE SENIORS SITUATION NOW WITH THE 1500 DC PROPERTY AND THEN SAY, LET'S JUST GO FORWARD TO BOND WITH A LIBRARY AND A REC CENTER, I THINK THAT I'M NOT AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT, OKAY? I'M CENTER. I'M NOT COMMUNITY CENTER. I'M TALKING WE'RE TALKING. COMMUNITY CENTER IS JUST A WORD THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU GROUP. IT DOESN'T. THE USE IS CONFLATED. THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS WHAT'S CAUSING EVERYBODY TO BE DISTRACTED. THAT WORD LIKE WE'RE BUILDING A COMMUNITY CENTER OR NOT A COMMUNITY CENTER. WE SAID SENIOR CENTER, LIBRARY AND REC CENTER. BUT THE TRUTH IS THERE'S A LOT THERE'S A LOT TO THAT. IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, WHICH IS GOOD. BUT GETTING BACK TO THE BASICS AGAIN, IF WE ALLOW THEM TO JUST TO FINISH DOING THE ANALYSIS AND THEY COME BACK AND THEY CAN SAY, WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING HERE, GUESS WHAT? WE'VE FINALLY GOT AN ANSWER FOR THOSE TWO LOCATIONS. AND WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT. BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE ON FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO. BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A GROUP THAT CAN COME IN AND LOOK AT THESE SITES. LIKE I'VE TOLD THEM, EVERYBODY BEFORE, LET'S SEE IF ANY OF THESE LAND USAGES CAN BE POSSIBLE FOR ANY KIND OF FACILITY. WELL, THAT'S A THAT I WANT TO DO. THAT'S AND THEN THAT, THAT WAY IT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS OF LIKE COULD WE HAVE BUILT THERE OR WE COULDN'T HAVE, BUT WE WILL NEVER KNOW BECAUSE WE CAN'T. WE CANCELED THE CONTRACT. AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S NOT SO MUCH NOWADAYS OF BEING FLEXIBLE, BUT IT'S BEING ADAPTABLE. WE HAVE TO ADAPT TO THE CHANGES THAT COME BEFORE US. OKAY, SO IF IT MEANS THAT WE CONTINUE ON WITH BURDETT AND THEY SAY, LOOK, WE DID OUR ANALYSIS, WE DID OUR FIELD STUDIES, WE DID OUR FLOOD STUDIES. A FACILITY OF THIS MAGNITUDE WOULD NOT WORK IN THIS AREA. HOWEVER, LIKE I SAID BEFORE AND MADE A SUGGESTION, IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, HEY LOOK, WE CAN HELP WITH A PARK SCENARIO, WE CAN HELP WITH THIS GIVING THEM THE CHOICE TO SAY, YES, WE CAN DO THAT. AND THEN YOU CAN OPEN UP FOR OTHER PEOPLE. IF WE WANT TO GO WITH THAT, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE JUST THAT. THAT WINDOW OF TIME KILLS THE PROJECT, THOUGH.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. THE REASON ALL THESE DATES ARE PROPOSED, THE REASON WE'RE HERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS STATE OF EVERYBODY KIND OF WANTS THEIR OWN THING. AND SO STAFF ISN'T EXACTLY SURE. WE'VE BEEN IN THIS, THIS STATE NOW FOR A WHILE. IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T DECIDE WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IT, REALISTICALLY, FUNCTIONALLY, THE RESULT IS WE MISS THE WE MISS THE 2024 BOND WINDOW. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WE HAVE THE FACILITY OF THE REC CENTER ON THAT END. I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST GETTING THE RESULTS FROM THE LAND, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SCOPE OF THEIR WORK. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS REALLY JUST AN ENGINEERING QUESTION. YEAH.

WE JUST NEED TO HIRE AN ENGINEERING FIRM. IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCOPE OF ANALYSIS. CAN WE DEVELOP ON THAT SITE? IS A QUESTION THAT THAT STAFF CAN GET THE ANSWER TO? YEAH. AND I THINK IT JUST AND THEN THAT WILL HELP ANSWER. BUT BURDETT BURDETT IS ON A PATH

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TOWARDS A COMMUNITY CENTER BOND THAT WITH A RECREATION CENTER AND A LIBRARY AND A SENIOR CENTER. NUMBER ONE IS THAT PUTS THE SENIORS MANY YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, INTO UNKNOWN. WE THINK WE CAN SOLVE POTENTIALLY THE SENIORS FACILITY IN A BETTER WAY RIGHT NOW, WHICH THEN KILLS THE COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE WE'VE SOLVED THE SENIOR CENTER'S PROBLEM UP FRONT. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GO TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER AND ASK FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER. WITHOUT THE SENIORS, THAT WAS ALWAYS A CONDITION. WE WERE GOING TO NEED THE SENIORS TO DO THAT BECAUSE SENIOR CENTERS SCORED LOW, AND THE THING THAT SCORED THE LOWEST WAS A LIBRARY EXPANSION PROJECT.

IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS SHOWN A LOT OF INTEREST IN. AND SO NOW WE'RE COMING BACK AND WE'RE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, LET'S REEVALUATE WHICH IS OKAY TO DO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND NEEDS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A GOOD THING TO SOLVE THE SENIORS PROBLEM. FIRST. AND THEN IT'S ALSO THE INITIAL PROJECT OF THAT EAST SIDE PARK THAT BECOMES A FUNDED PROJECT AND IT BECOMES GREENLIT AND WE CAN START. SO ALL I KNOW IS THE RESULT OF THIS VOTE DELIVERS TWO HIGH QUALITY AMENITIES TO THE EAST SIDE. AND WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE A POTENTIAL SPORTSPLEX EXPANSION ON THE WEST SIDE TO THE VOTERS. AND THEY WILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT. SO WE PUT THAT ONE TO THE VOTERS BECAUSE IT IS LARGE. AND THEN WE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH TWO PROJECTS THAT REALLY THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, TO THIS GROUP. I KNOW THOSE PROJECTS ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS GROUP. THEY'RE BOTH EAST SIDE. THEY'RE QUALITY OF LIFE. WE GET CREW ACTIVITY CENTER BACK, BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE WE HAVE TO GIVE THE CLEAR DIRECTION THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE IT THIS WAY, THAT WE HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH THE VOTERS, THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS REALISTICALLY COMMUNITY CENTER. REC CENTER SLASH LIBRARY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TO THEM IN NOVEMBER. AS A PROPOSITION, BECAUSE WE CAN'T I MEAN, THAT ALL SOUNDS GOOD, TRAVIS, BUT THERE'S NO REAL SECURITY IN THE FINANCING FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. SO WE'RE TAKING THE VERY GUARANTEED MONEY. WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO FOR THE INDOOR SPORTSPLEX.

BUT THEN WE ARE NOW LEFT WONDERING, WHEN IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME? LIKE WE SAY, IT'S IS IT GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO THOSE OTHER PROJECTS, THESE ARE THESE ARE CEOS. THESE ARE, CASH THESE ARE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET UPSET ABOUT THE PROPERTY RATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO HANG ON. THE CASH IS FOR THE LAND. SO WE NEED A PLAN. WE NEED A PLAN THAT REALLY TIES MONEY FOR THOSE AMENITIES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT NEED FUNDING, FINANCING.

YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SOLID, MORE SOLID FINANCING. CAN I ASK, CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO JUAN MIGUEL'S POINT IS LIKE, LET'S SAY THAT LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, THAT YOU DO PUT A BOND FOR THE $60 MILLION FOR AN INDOOR FACILITY, DO WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON THAT TODAY? YES. I MEAN, WHAT I'M SAYING. TRAVIS, COULD YOU FLIP IT AROUND? I'M STILL ASKING A QUESTION. SEAL BONDS FOR THIS. DO WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON THAT TODAY? WELL THE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS WE'RE ON A PATH FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE'VE ASKED TO DO, THE SQUEEZE THAT WE ALL ARE FEELING IS TIME. YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. IF YOU WANT THIS ON THE NOVEMBER BOND ELECTION, YOU HAVE TO CALL THAT ELECTION IN AUGUST. SO TIME IS SHORT, OKAY. AND IF YOU'RE WANTING TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS OR DO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON THIS, WE JUST NEED THAT CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO MAYOR SAID. SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET THAT DONE. SO I NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU TO MEET THAT TIMELINE, BECAUSE MY BIGGEST QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WHO THE OPERATORS OF THAT FACILITY BE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR FACILITY. AND IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CITY OF KYLE AS A MAIN OPERATOR, THEN I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE FINANCES FOR EACH COMPANY THAT IT WANTS TO OPERATE. THIS, AND I MEAN THE FINANCES THEY HAVE FROM OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO KYLE. WELL, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE WE'RE THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU IS A CITY OWNED FACILITY THAT WE WOULD EITHER OPERATE OURSELVES OR HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO MANAGE. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS OF WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE. THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT COULD BE DONE. WHAT IS THE CONCEPTUAL IDEAS OF WHAT ALL USES WOULD BE THERE, AND WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DECIDE. BY AUGUST, PER SE, YOU COULD SPEND A LOT MORE TIME LOOKING AT THOSE. WE COULD GO THROUGH RFP PROCESSES. THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO DO IT, BUT THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF YOU IS, IS THAT A PROJECT THAT'S WORTHY OF PURSUING? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. AND IF IT IS, THEN WE NEED SOME PROFESSIONALS TO HELP US GET THOSE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS TO LOOK AT THE SITE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EXACT COST WOULD BE. AND THERE WILL BE OPTIONS THAT YOU'LL BE ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON IN JULY. WHY OF WHAT

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DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE? WHAT ARE THE AMENITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE AND HOW WOULD HOW WOULD YOU PROCEED? THAT'S THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF YOU. I IF I'D LIKE TO JUMP IN HERE AND TRY TO REFOCUS THIS AND GO BACK TO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY ON PAGE FIVE, THE JUST THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND THE STUDY PURPOSE WAS TO EVALUATE THE MARKET DEMAND FOR NEW AMATEUR SPORTS FACILITIES IN KYLE, THE KEY FINDINGS WERE STRONG. KYLE MARKET INDICATORS THAT WE'RE GROWING, YOUNG YOUNG, DIVERSE RESIDENT BASE. THERE'S LIMITED COMPETITION FOR AMATEUR SPORTS.

POSITIVE GROWTH IN THE YOUTH SPORTS INDUSTRY BASED ON THE MAKEUP OF OUR RESIDENTS, HIGH DEMAND FOR AN INTEREST IN A NEW SPORTS COMPLEX. AND I THINK THIS IS THE KEY FOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED, THAT WAS BASED ON 20 INTERVIEWS WITH EXISTING SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS. SO YOUTH SOCCER CLUBS, BASKETBALL CLUBS, VOLLEYBALL CLUBS WHO ALL ARE LOOKING FOR SPACE IN A HOME, YOU KNOW, TO, TO RENT, LEASE OUT, SO WE TALK ABOUT TENANTS. THOSE WOULD BE THE POOL OF TENANTS. SO AGAIN, HIGH DEMAND FOR AN INTEREST IN A NEW SPORTS COMPLEX AND DEMAND FOR MULTIPLE SPORTS USES. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS NO DEMAND LIKE THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF AN INDOOR AND AN OUTDOOR, COMPONENT WOULD BE, ABOUT A MILLION REVENUE YEAR ONE, THREE AND A HALF, YEAR THREE AND ON. AND THAT'S STABILIZED OPERATIONS, ABOUT $1.7 BILLION IN DIRECT SPENDING ON THE VENUE OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES IN AND AROUND, I'M SORRY, PLACES IN AND AROUND THE FACILITY, WHICH AMOUNTS TO 2.6 BILLION IN TOTAL OUTPUT, DIRECT SPENDING PLUS INDIRECT AND INDUCED SPENDING, 830 FULL TIME JOBS, AND AROUND $73 MILLION IN FINANCIAL IMPACT. AND THAT'S TAX REVENUES GENERATED BY THE FACILITY ITSELF, SALES TAX AND HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. SO NOW BRINGING THIS BACK AS IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND, LET'S JUST CALL IT THE 65 MILLION THAT'S LISTED ON, POTENTIAL NUMBER TWO HERE ON POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS, $65 MILLION THAT CAN YIELD $73 MILLION IN FINANCIAL IMPACT, OR $65 MILLION THAT NETS NEXT IS ZERO, IN FINANCIAL IMPACT FOR OUR CITY, BUT STILL PROVIDES A VERY SIMILAR AMENITY TO OUR CITY, SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO PRIORITIZED BY OUR RESIDENTS. TO ME, IT'S A VERY CLEAR, AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION, WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE LOGISTICS OF TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING, IF WE'RE TRYING TO BE REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR RESIDENTS TO PROVIDE THEM QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITIES WHILE ALSO TRYING TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY, WHICH A LOT OF TIMES THOSE TWO THINGS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER. BUT IF THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, WHILE ALSO BEING FINANCIAL STEWARDS FOR THE CITY, THEN WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW MONEY THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE IS GOING TO BRING DOLLARS BACK TO US, WHILE STILL PROVIDING AMENITIES FOR OUR OUR RESIDENTS. I'M NOT DEBATING THAT THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING IS IF WE WERE TO DO THAT. WHAT WOULD BE THE OPERATIONAL COST TO THE CITY IF WE DECIDE TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE OPERATING THE FACILITY, THEN THAT WILL BE THE IMPACT AND STAFFING AND HOW WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR THAT, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, WE'LL NOT ONLY BE US BUDGETING TO PAY OFF FOR THIS, BUT ALSO HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAFF IT? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE APPROPRIATE STAFF TO OPERATE THIS FACILITY IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE DOING IT OURSELVES, IF WE'RE GOING TO HIRE ANOTHER COMPANY, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT COMPANY WOULD BE OR WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL COMPANIES THAT CAN OPERATE THIS FACILITY THAT HAVE DONE IT BEFORE AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE REVENUE THAT IS ALL I'M ASKING. AGAIN, IT'S A CONVERSATION I'VE HAD WITH YOU BEFORE. WHEN I PUT MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET, I GO AND REVIEW THE COMPANIES AND THE WHOLE FINANCIALS BEFORE I PUT ANY SENSE ON THOSE. SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING HERE. IT'S LIKE PLAYING WITH ALL OF OUR MONEY INTO SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE BRINGING ACTUAL A RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT, THAT THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE IMPACT IN THE TAXES IS GOING TO BE REALLY HIGH. ARE WE GOING TO SEE A RETURN IN 20 YEARS? POSSIBLY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REASSURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THE SECOND THING IS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WELL WHAT WOULD BE PLAN B, LET'S SAY THAT WE DON'T FIND ANY COMPANY THAT OPERATES THIS FACILITY, AND I WANT TO HAVE MY OPTIONS. I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE SAY, HEY, YEAH, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE LIKE SIX WEEKS TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO BOND OR NOT. FOR THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET ALL THAT INFORMATION

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BEFORE. SO AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST ADD TO MY POINT, GUYS, THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING THERE CITY STAFF WILL BE THE COST FOR THAT. I'M LOOKING AT IT IN IN IN A NUTSHELL ITSELF. WE GO PRESENT THIS. WE ARE GOING TO BE ASKED QUESTIONS. WE ARE GOING TO I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONCEPT. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S THE TREND THAT'S GOING ON AND IT'S BRINGING IN MONEY AND IT'S BRINGING OUT-OF-TOWNERS HERE. WE'RE GOING TO BRING HOTELS HERE, AND IT'LL HELP WITH WITH THE, THE ECONOMY. BUT AGAIN, I HAVE TO BRING IT BACK DOWN, GUYS, TO WHAT'S THE $65 MILLION GOING TO BE USED FOR, OR HOW MUCH OF THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE? WHAT IS THE COST AND HOW LARGE ARE WE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING ITSELF? IF WE USE A THIRD PARTY VENDOR, WHAT ARE THEIR LIABILITIES? WHAT ARE THEIR SHARES GOING TO BE IF WE HAVE TO GO THAT ROUTE? BECAUSE LET'S SAY WE DO THIS AND IT PASSES AND WE DO A GROUNDBREAKING, AND ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THIS? IT'S LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE ITSELF AND WE CAN GO WITH MARKET STUDIES. WE CAN GO WITH TRENDS, BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST THE DOWN ROUTE QUESTIONS THAT WE JUST NEED TO HAVE ON THAT END. ALL RIGHT. HANG ON. JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

THEN WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. SO A COUPLE THINGS THEN WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. SO FOR ONE THE WAY THIS IS THE WAY THIS IS BEING APPROACHED IS TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY KNOW THE ANSWERS TO BECAUSE THAT IS NOT EVEN THE QUESTIONS WE'RE TRYING TO GET ANSWERED RIGHT NOW. THE QUESTIONS ABOUT OPERATIONAL COSTS AND WHO THE SUBCONTRACT OWNERS ARE AND EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS. WHILE IMPORTANT, IS A QUESTION YOU GET AS YOU'RE ENGAGING WITH THOSE CONTRACTORS.

AND WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ENGAGING WITH CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING IS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO EVEN PROPOSITION THE VOTERS ON AN INDOOR FACILITY. DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO AND YOUR APPROACH TO SAYING NO IS TO ASK A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? BECAUSE THE CONTRACTS FOR, WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE LIKE US, LONE STAR OR SURGE OR A YMCA OR A DALLAS STARS OR AN AFC OR WHOEVER IT WOULD BE WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER THE BOND. THOSE AREN'T RELEVANT QUESTIONS. THERE ARE WAYS TO ATTACK THE THERE ARE WAYS TO ATTACK THE PROPOSITION. THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. AND SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH OF CULTIVATING A GOOD PROJECT AND PROPOSITIONING THE VOTERS, BECAUSE AT THE 30,000 FOOT LEVEL, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WITH THE SETUP OF SOLVING A SENIOR CENTER AND DOING A MAJOR EAST SIDE PARK, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO A REGIONAL SPORTS PLEX AS WELL. AND THAT NEED IS CONSIDERING HOW WE'VE SOLVED THE REST OF THE PROBLEMS. NUMBER ONE, NOW, ON THE LIST FOR ME, IN TERMS OF THE DATA AND THE FEEDBACK OF WHAT I THINK, NOT ME PERSONALLY, BUT WHAT I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WHAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT IN A BOND PROPOSITION. WHEREAS I THINK THE WAY WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT HARDER. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE WE'VE SORT OF PUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS INTO GOOD PERSPECTIVE, AND NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT INDIVIDUALLY PUTTING TOGETHER A REALLY GOOD SPORTS PLEX PACKAGE. BUT WE DON'T PURSUE PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT ARE MULTI YEAR LONG PROJECTS, LIKE WHEN DOES THE OPERATIONAL COST START, WHEN DOES THAT THAT QUESTION GET ANSWERED PROBABLY 24 MONTHS FROM NOW IS WHEN THAT QUESTION GETS ANSWERED. NOT RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT. WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO ANSWER. SO WE SHOULD JUST DECIDE PHILOSOPHICALLY WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A CONCEPT WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH. WE WANT TO TRY TO SOLVE THE SENIORS ON A SEPARATE AND IMMEDIATE TIME SCALE. WE WANT TO PUT AN EASTSIDE PARK TOGETHER PROJECT TOGETHER ON AN IMMEDIATE TIME SCALE, FUNDED BY COS, BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN WE WANT TO TAKE PUT THE, THE LONG TERM TIME SCALE ON THE REGIONAL SPORTSPLEX AND ALLOW FOR THE VOTERS TO GIVE US PERMISSION TO GET THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING AND PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE THAT. BUT WE JUST CAN'T DO ALL THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE IT WITH THESE USERS.

AND WE SHOULDN'T NEGOTIATE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FACILITIES TO PROPOSE. SO I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL WANT US TO DO, BUT IF JUST CONCEPTUALLY, IF WE WALK AWAY AND WE SAY WE DON'T WANT TO PURSUE THE SPORTSPLEX, THEN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE UNITY. I MEAN, I'M LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATIONS I HEAR. I HEAR FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE BEHIND THE IDEA OF PURSUING THIS PROJECT, AND I HEAR THREE THAT ARE AGAINST IT. AND SO IF WE'RE IN THAT POSITION, WE CAN'T

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MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH EITHER SIDE OF IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. WELL, NOBODY'S AGAINST THE TRAVIS. WHAT? YOU'RE TAKING IT THAT WAY. OKAY I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE DO. WE'RE ASKING LEGIT QUESTIONS BECAUSE, AGAIN, TRAVIS. MR. MAYOR, WE WENT FROM ONE SPECIFIC PROJECT TO WHERE WE WERE ALL UNITED OR ALL UNITED TO NOW THIS. SO WE DO HAVE JUST SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THIS. AGAIN, FOR ME, 65 MILLION. IS THIS JUST AN ESTIMATE, A BALLPARK FIGURE? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THOSE KIND OF THINGS. NOBODY'S ATTACKING THIS OKAY I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A NEED FOR IT, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE DID THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT COME FROM? I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO. I KNOW, STARTING TO, BECAUSE AS OF TOMORROW, I WILL GET AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT SAYING, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT? I'VE GOT TO HAVE AN ANSWER. TO BE FAIR, MICHAEL, WHAT WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE THOUGH, AND TO I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING IS WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION FOR A LONG TIME, AND YES, IT HAS CHANGED, BUT YOU'RE NOT JUST LEARNING OF THE CHANGE THIS MORNING AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TODAY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS BEFORE WE MADE COLLECTIVELY MADE THE DECISION TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TODAY. SO IT I'M, I'M SITTING HERE AND LIKE I LIKE HONESTLY, IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, THAT'S FINE. BUT TO THIS FEELS LIKE THERE'S SOME SORT OF GAME BEING PLAYED OR THERE'S SOME SORT OF SCRIPT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BEFORE THIS MEETING, AND I JUST DON'T HAVE IT BECAUSE IT IT ALL OF YOU ALL ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN THE LEVEL, THE PERFORMATIVE NATURE OF THIS DANCE IS I JUST LIKE, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO. WE PAID A COMPANY FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND I'VE ASKED YOU ALL OF YOU, MULTIPLE TIMES, PLEASE READ IT.

I EVEN TOOK A COPY AND I PUT IT DOWN IN FRONT OF Y'ALL AND I SAID, PLEASE READ IT. AND OPERAS AND TENANTS AND ALL THESE THINGS GO TO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. THE OKAY, WHY DO WE PAY COMPANIES TO DO THIS STUFF? QUESTIONS THEY ARE, BUT THEY ARE PLAYING AS AN ANSWER THERE. WE'VE HAD THESE FOR TWO MONTHS, ONE AT A TIME. YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION, THEN WE'RE GONNA WE'REA SAY BECAUSE OF THE SPLIT YOU GET. BECAUSE YOU SPLIT THE ATOM, RIGHT? AND BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

ALL RIGHT, IT'S 948. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER. HOPEFULLY, WE WERE ALL ABLE TO GAIN CLARITY IN THE BREAK. I'LL HOLD MY BREATH. JUST. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO AT THIS POINT. YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE SPORTSPLEX, THE POSSIBILITY OF 1500 BASES IS, YOU KNOW, CAUSING US TO TRY TO EVALUATE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. AND SO NOW WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS BEFORE US. DO WE WANT TO PURSUE THE INITIAL PLAN OF A SENIOR CENTER, REC CENTER, LIBRARY ON THE ON POSSIBLY CAL VISTA PARK OR THE NEWLY ACQUIRED LAKE KENSINGTON. THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO THAT PATH, THAT THE YOU KNOW, THE PRO IS THAT WE GET TO SAY WE'VE BEEN PURSUING THAT PATH FOR A LONG TIME, I SUPPOSE, AND WE DIDN'T CHANGE. SO I GUESS THAT'S ONE PRO. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WAIT. HOPEFULLY IT PASSES. THEN WE START THE DESIGN PROCESS. WE BREAK GROUND ON SUCH A FACILITY. EARLY 2026. AND THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETED 2027 2028 WHEN WE FINALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THE SENIORS, WE WON'T BE HERE WHEN THAT PROBLEM IS SOLVED. BUT IF WE ACQUIRE 1500 DC, WE LET GO OF THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD SOME COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY. WE PURSUE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAKE KENSINGTON PROJECT GREENLIGHT THAT NOW WE CAN WE CAN IMMEDIATELY OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS, FOLLOWING THIS, THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN OUTLINED BY THE CITY MANAGER, WE CAN WE CAN DELIVER A MAJOR QUALITY OF LIFE ASSET TO THE EAST SIDE. WE CAN DELIVER SIGNIFICANT SOLUTIONS FOR OUR SENIORS. AND WE COULD START THE PROCESS OF, OF TAKING A SPORTSPLEX PROPOSAL THAT WE ALL AGREE IS A NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE ARE VERY LOW. WE HAVE VIRTUALLY NO SPORTSPLEX INFRASTRUCTURE. LET'S CULTIVATE THE PROJECT FOR A SPORTSPLEX AND PUT IT TO THE VOTERS AND LET THEM DECIDE. THAT'S THE PLAN.

BUT IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT PLAN, IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO GO WITH IT, IT'S ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE DEFEASANCE VOTE SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR TAX RATE, IF WE BUT IF WE DON'T GO DOWN THAT PATH, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? BECAUSE

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I DON'T THINK THAT I NO LONGER BELIEVE THAT TAKING AN ENTIRE 65, $70 MILLION COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL TO TRY TO BUILD THAT ON LAKE KENSINGTON IS THE WAY TO DELIVER THE MOST VALUE. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF US PROBABLY THINK THAT'S NOT 100% BEST. AND JUST ONE LAST THING. AS FAR AS EQUITY, I THINK LAKE KENSINGTON, THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT HAS IMMEDIATE IMPACT TO THOSE. IT'S A IT'S AN AMENITY FOR THE EAST SIDE, BUT A REGIONAL SPORTSPLEX, IT'S NOT AN AMENITY TO THOSE WHO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO IT IN FACT, WE NEGOTIATED A LOT OF THE AGREEMENT FOR THE SPORTSPLEX IN TERMS OF WHERE IT IS REQUIRED. US TO CONCEDE, TO THE LENNAR DEVELOPMENT IN PLUM CREEK NORTH SO THAT THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T THERE WAS NO LIGHT POLLUTION, SOUND, NOISE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT GOES ON AT A HIGH INTENSITY USE SPORTSPLEX. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. IT IS A GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND FOR THE REGION. SO IN TERMS OF LIKE BRINGING THE QUALITY, THE SPORTSPLEX IS BRINGING TRAFFIC, THEY HAVE LIGHT. THAT'S MY POINT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN LOCATION FOR SPORTSPLEX THAT'S IN A HIGH INTENSITY USE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE AGREEMENTS FOR, FOR IN TERMS OF HOW TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT INTO PLACE. LET'S LET'S PUT LET'S TURN LAKE KENSINGTON INTO A PARK AND STOP TRYING TO PUT A SPORTSPLEX ON IT OR SOME MAJOR RECREATION CENTER WHICH REALLY, WHEN WE SAY THAT WE'RE STILL THINKING OF SPORTS INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S WHAT IS NEEDED THE MOST, LET'S PUT IT WHERE, LET'S PUT EVERYTHING WHERE IT BELONGS AND ALLOW FOR THE VOTERS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A SPORTSPLEX IS AN INDOOR FACILITY IS, YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT. I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING THE COUNCIL TO JUST LET'S GO WITH THIS PLAN BECAUSE IT'S THE IT'S REALLY THE ONLY VIABLE PLAN THAT'S THAT REMAINS. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO A VERY GOOD ONE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO OTHER THAN TRY TO MOVE US FORWARD. CAN WE TAKE SEPARATE DIRECTIONS? BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOME OF US ARE REALLY IN FAVOR OF A LOT OF THE THINGS STILL KIND OF CONFLICTED ABOUT OTHERS. LIKE I AM FULLY IN FAVOR TO ACQUIRING THE AT LEAST A FIRM I WOULD LOVE FOR THE TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THEY WERE CONTRACTED TO DO AND FINISH WITH THAT SCOPE OF WORK, I WOULD BE FULLY IN FAVOR FOR US TO DESIGN THE KENSINGTON, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THOSE TWO, I THINK THAT I WILL ALSO BE FULLY IN FAVOR OF ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY IN DAISY LANE TO, TO MAKE THAT THE SENIOR CENTER OR THE GIVEN THE SENIORS, THAT FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT IT. NOW, IN REGARDS TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX OR THE INDOOR OR THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS I STILL HAVE CONFLICTS IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. THE PATH WE NEED TO FOLLOW. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE ACTION SEPARATELY BECAUSE THE ACTIONS ARE IN CONFLICT. THE ACTION TO PURSUE TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE VERDICT CONTRACT IS FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO, TO, CULTIVATE PLANS FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER. THE ACTION ON 1500 DACEY IS THE ACTION TO, PUT THE SENIORS AND TO DEVELOP, CULTIVATE A COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY ON 1500 DACEY. THAT WOULD BE FOR USE BY THE SENIORS AND ALSO A GATHERING SPACE FOR THE CITY. SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BURDETT CONTRACT AND MOVING FORWARD, 1500 DACEY IT THOSE THOSE ACTIONS ARE IN CONFLICT. SO HOW COULD WE TAKE THOSE ACTIONS SEPARATELY. WE WILL TELL BURDETT TO REMOVE THE SCOPE OF THE SENIORS AND CONTINUE WITH THE DESIGN. MAYBE JUST GIVEN DIRECTION. YEAH, BUT SEE THAT DIRECTION AT LEAST FOR ME, I CAN'T I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THEM CULTIVATE A SCOPE OF WORK THAT CONTEMPLATES ASKING THE VOTERS TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT WE HAVE NOT GIVEN DIRECTION, BUT THEY'RE JUST BRINGING A DRAFT, THOUGH, CORRECT? BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY THEM TO BRING ME A DRAFT OF SOMETHING. I'M NOT EVEN CONSIDERING. BUT WE WOULD CONSIDER FOR THEM TO DO A TO BRING UP A DRAFT AND A STUDY, OR WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE TO BUILD IF WE WERE TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER. CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT A COMMUNITY CENTER IS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST YEAR. IF IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A SENIOR CENTER COMPONENT, BUT THEY CAN GO TO GET PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THEN BRING US A DRAFT BASED ON THAT ENGAGEMENT, WOULDN'T THAT BE THE DIRECTION THEY GET? WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT EVERYTHING ELSE AND HAVE BURDETT MOVE FORWARD, THE BURDETT CONTRACT REALLY IS THE CENTRAL ACTION THAT'S HERE AT THIS POINT,

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BECAUSE THE BURDETT CONTRACT REPRESENTS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PURSUING AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING WHAT IS PROPOSED BEFORE IS A DIFFERENT PATH. SO THOSE ACTIONS ARE JUST THEY'RE JUST IN CONTRACT. BURDETT IS TASKED WITH CULTIVATING A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT IS SCOPED WITH A NEW LIBRARY, A SENIOR CENTER AND A REC CENTER COMPONENT LIKE A YMCA . YEAH, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GOING DOWN THAT PATH. I KNOW IT'S NOT. YEAH. MIGHT NOT BE POPULAR UP HERE ANYMORE, BUT PLAN A, THE INITIAL IS REALLY WHERE I WANT TO BE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT DOES SOLVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS. I KNOW IT DOESN'T GET US THERE AS QUICKLY AS WE WOULD LIKE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT HAVING THE PATIENCE AND SEEING IT TO FRUITION, THAT PLACE COULD BE MAGNIFICENT. AND I'M JUST NOT READY TO WALK AWAY RIGHT NOW FROM, NOT GIVING THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO FLOURISH, I DO KNOW THAT THE SPORTS INDOOR SPORTSPLEX IS IMPORTANT. THE RIGHT LOCATION IS WHERE YOU STATED. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE TIME TO PUT THAT AHEAD OF PLAN A, SO I STILL WANT TO CONTINUE DOWN PLAN A, SO YOU WOULD SAY DON'T BUY 1500 DE C I THINK WE COULD DO THE 15 AND PLAN A. SO YOU THINK BECAUSE SENIORS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO THIS IS PLAN C. NO NO. SO LET'S GO WITH PLAN C. TAKE THE SENIORS. PLAN A WITH DAISY. AND DAISY CAN STILL BE USED BY A PARKS AND RECS IF NEEDED. IT CREATES SPACE AND IT'S A IT'S A INSURANCE FOR IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT FEEDBACK ON THE BURDETT YOU KNOW IF WE NEED TO LESSEN THE SCOPE WE STILL HAVE THAT INSURANCE OF DAISY TOGETHER. THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER.

SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM, ASK A COMMUNITY CENTER SENIOR CENTER THERE. SO DISPERSED WITH THE WITH EACH OTHER AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING. CONTINUE WITH BURDETT AND GET DAISY THAT IT'S A SOFT CUSHION FOR PLAN A, SO IF PLAN A, WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE SCOPE, TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THERE. WE STILL GOT THAT. AND I COULD FULLY SUPPORT THAT. TRAVIS. AND I KNOW, I KNOW, NO SPORTSPLEX. NO INDOOR SPORTS THAT CAN COME. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE RIGHT TIME. BUT I DO WANT THAT FOR THE CITY. BUT IT'S GOOD FOR US TO JUST ALL BE CLEAR ON WHERE WE'RE AT. RIGHT. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU GET ONE BEFORE THE OTHER? THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I DO WANT THE INDOOR, THE. WE'RE ALL WRESTLING THESE QUESTIONS AROUND THESE QUESTIONS CONSTANTLY. RIGHT. AND SO EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH. I'M JUST TRYING TO SIGNAL A WARNING HERE THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO CULTIVATE PROJECTS THAT THAT ACTUALLY MAKE BIG IMPACTS ON THE COMMUNITY. AND IT REQUIRES COUNCIL MEMBERS WORKING THEIR INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS OUT TO GET BEHIND A COMMON VISION AND HAVE SOME TRUST AND SUPPORT IN THAT VISION. ALONG THE WAY, I MEAN, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE VOTERS AND WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT IN THE NEXT BONDS AS WELL. SO THIS TRAVIS PLAN A HAD EVERY THING FOR EVERYBODY, AND NOW WE'RE JUST PIECING IT OUT BY MOVING TO SOMETHING ELSE. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK I THINK THE STRONG MOVE WAS STILL PLAN A AND GET DAISY AS INSURANCE. AND THERE YOU GO. YEAH THAT WOULD BE AND THE SPORTSPLEX INDOOR SPORTSPLEX THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE THE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND SO FOR ME I WOULD RATHER TAKE THE SENIOR AND THE PARK COMPONENTS OUT OF PLAN A, WHICH ARE THE TWO PROJECTS AND COMPONENTS THAT DELIVER VALUE AND HAVE A NEED. TAKE THOSE TWO PROJECTS AND GREENLIGHT THEM AND PUT THEM ASIDE AND PRIORITIZE. THE SPORTSPLEX AS BEING A VERY IMPORTANT NEED IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD WE ASK THE VOTERS TO APPROVE THAT IS THAT IS A QUESTION THAT ALL THE DATA THAT YOU ALL WANT, DATA YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR DATA ON A COMMUNITY CENTER DON'T NEED THE OPERATIONAL REVENUES, DON'T NEED ANY OF THAT FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL. BUT IF IT'S A SPORTSPLEX, YOU WANT ALL THE YOU WANT ALL THAT DATA. RIGHT? SO IT'S THE SAME BASIC CONCEPT. LET'S TAKE THAT TO THE VOTERS. AND ALLOW FOR THAT TO COME, COME ABOUT NATURALLY. BUT BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH OPERATIONAL REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE AND HOW MUCH OUR ONGOING FIXED EXPENSES AND VARIABLE EXPENSES ON ANY FACILITY THAT WE PROPOSE RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THERE IS THERE ARE A LONG LINE OF POTENTIAL PARTNERS THAT COULD HELP DO OPERATE, MANAGE OPERATIONAL COMPONENTS TO A SPORTSPLEX FOR A REC CENTER, IT WOULD BE A YMCA. AND IF YOU THINK THAT BRINGING A YMCA TO KYLE WHEN THERE'S ALREADY ONE IN BUDA IS A MORE BENEFICIAL PROJECT THAN A REGIONAL SPORTSPLEX ON THAT, WE DO FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE. BUT THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS. AND YOU'RE COMPARING A BUSINESS MODEL WHICH IS SET UP TO HAVE PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND VENDORS. IT'S GOING TO GENERATE MONEY. WELL, THE YMCA IS 100% PRIVATE, RIGHT. BUT THEY 100%

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PRIVATE. BUT THEY ALSO PUBLIC. THEY WORK WITH INCOME LEVELS, RIGHT? THEY WORK WITH WITH COMMUNITIES AND CITIES. IT IS A PRIVATE CLUB. THEY MAKE MONEY. AND IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE YMCA AND WE OPERATED IT OURSELVES, IT WOULD WE WOULD BE THE SAME MODEL. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IF IT'S AFFORDABLE TO FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO USE THE INDOOR SPORTSPLEX EITHER. I WHEN I LOOK SOMETHING THAT REALLY TUNED ME AWAY WAS THAT THERE WAS AN HOURLY FEE, RIGHT? TO USE AN INDOOR PLEX. IF YOU'RE A FAMILY AND YOU NEED TO USE IT, ARE YOU GOING TO BE PUT DOWN THE LIST BECAUSE THERE'S TOURNAMENTS OCCURRING THERE? WELL, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERY PROJECT YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER FOR THE ACTUAL BUSINESS MODEL OF WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING AND HOW MUCH OF IT YOU'RE WANTING TO SUBSIDIZE IN VARIOUS WAYS. US PUTTING FRONT THE CASH FOR ASKING THE VOTERS TO APPROVE A BOND IS ONE FORM OF A SUBSIDY, BUT THAT'S JUST UPFRONT COST.

HOW THE COSTS GET REPAID. THAT'S A DIFFERENT FORM OF A SUBSIDY. HOW MUCH WE CHARGE. I THINK THE MODEL THAT WILL MAKE THE MOST SENSE IS WHAT MOST SPORTSPLEX OPERATORS USE. IT'S THERE'S A PARENT ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD BE US IN THIS CASE WHO WOULD BREAK DOWN THE DIFFERENT TIMES AND WOULD ALSO RESERVE TIME ACROSS THE SPORTS FACILITIES FOR RECREATIONAL USE AND REC LEAGUES . THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT PROJECT WE CULTIVATE. BUT I WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH BURDETT AND THE COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY CENTER AND DO DAISY LANE AND KILL THE SPORTSPLEX IF WE CAN. BUT I Y'ALL CAN. I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS IN THE BEST LONG TERM INTEREST OF THE CITY AT ALL, SO WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO? COUNCILOR HARRIS I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE WITH THIS PROPOSAL. WE GET BOTH, WE GET THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE KENSINGTON PROPERTY, WE GET THE SENIOR CENTER MOVED UP YEARS IN ADVANCE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE, IN A GREAT FACILITY, AND WE GET A VISIONARY PROJECT FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN THE SPORTSPLEX TO DO THE COMMUNITY, THE KENSINGTON DEVELOPMENT. LIKE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. IT WOULD TAKE A BOND. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO BOND FOR THAT. YES, WE PULL THE BOND OFF, BUT WE'RE NOT LOSING THE PROJECT. CORRECT. WE'RE JUST CHANGING HOW WE'RE DOING THAT PROJECT. THAT PROJECT IS STAYING THERE, AND WE WILL BRING BACK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT IF WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD BUILDINGS OR WHATEVER, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE ALSO IF, IF, IF THE, IF THE RESIDENTS APPROVE A BOND FOR THE SPORTSPLEX, THEN WE ARE ALSO GETTING A VISIONARY PROJECT THAT WILL MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS AS WELL AS BE A MAJOR ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR BUSINESSES AND FOR TAX REVENUE, AND ESSENTIALLY PAY FOR ITSELF. THE OTHER BOND, SAME AMOUNT OF BOND, SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, WAS NOT GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF IN ANY WAY. SO YOU'RE PRIORITIZING AND I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO ATTACK YOU, MISTER DOCTOR LAWLEY. SO WE COULD STILL FLIP IT THE OTHER WAY. WE COULD BOND OUT FOR THE LIBRARY FOR PHASE FOR PLAN A AND THE SPORTSPLEX PARTNERSHIP IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE. THEN THAT, AND WE HAVE AND IT'S NOT RISKY TO THE TO THE TAXPAYERS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY STILL GOING TO BE THERE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. IT'S STILL GOING TO GET DEVELOPED. IT'S STILL GOING TO GET BUILT, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF RESOURCES TO GET THAT BUILT THERE THAT'S NOT GOING TO WALK AWAY IF WE DON'T BOND FOR IT. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE? IF IT'S IN A TERSE GETS BUILT, IT'S IN A TERS, IT GETS DEVELOPED. THERE THERE'S PLENTY OF INVESTORS THAT WILL BUILD IN THERE. THAT PARTNERSHIP IS NOT WALKING AWAY. IF WE DON'T BOND FOR IT. YEAH. IT FACTUALLY AND ABSOLUTELY. BUT WHAT YOU WILL KILL WILL BE A COMMUNITY CENTER, SENIOR CENTER, LIBRARY. WE'RE NOT KILLING REC CENTER. THAT'S WE'RE ASKING YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE. THERE'S A SLIGHT NUANCE IN THIS IN THIS PROPOSAL. BUT SEE SEE HOW THIS PROPOSAL GETS GETS FOLKS MORE OF WHAT THEY WANT THAN IN ANY OTHER SCENARIO, BECAUSE IT'LL GET BUILT. WHAT YOU CAN REPLACE WITH IT WON'T GET BUILT. AND THAT WILL BE THE THAT'S THAT'S THE ACCURATE. WE WON'T DO ANYTHING. WE WON'T GO TO VOTE TO THE BOND. WE WON'T GO TO THE VOTERS FOR SPORTSPLEX. IT WON'T GET BUILT IT. COUNCIL MEMBER PARTIALLY. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THEN WITH ACQUIRING THE DC PROPERTY FOR THE SENIORS TO GO TO RFQ FOR THE DESIGNS OF LAKE KENSINGTON PARK AND THEN GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE WITH STANTEC TO DO THE DESIGN OF THE OUTDOOR

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SPORTSPLEX, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUR MINDS PUT TOGETHER ON AN INDOOR FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S A LIBRARY OR AN INDOOR SPORTSPLEX. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND I THINK WE WILL PLAY IT SAFE, AND THEN WE CONTINUE THE NEXT YEAR INTO MAYBE WORKSHOPPING WHAT WILL BE THE INDOOR FACILITY THAT WE NEED, WHETHER IT IS AN INDOOR SPORTSPLEX, SORRY, OR IT'S AN INDOOR COMMUNITY CENTER THAT HAS A SPORTS COMPONENT, BUSINESS.

YES, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A BUSINESS ROOMS THAT IT WAS WHAT WE INITIALLY WANTED TO DO. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE VERY CONFLICTED ON THE INDOOR FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S 1 OR 2, BUT THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WANT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE FOR OUR SENIORS, WE WANT TO DEFINITELY DESIGN LIKE KENSINGTON. AND BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE GONE TO BOTH BOND FOR THE OUTDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW STANTEC TO CONTINUE TO DESIGN THAT SECTION AND I, WE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE REGARDING THE INDOOR FACILITY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO PROBABLY TAKE A STEP BACK AND GET TOGETHER TO FIGURE IT OUT. WHAT IS WHAT COLLECTIVELY WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THERE. YEAH. SO WELL, THAT'S I'M JUST MY ANSWER IS FOR ME. NO, I'M NOT REMOTELY INTERESTED IN THAT PROPOSAL THAT GETS EVERYONE WHAT THEY WANT. AND YET I THINK THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS WANT TO PROCEED WITH, SPORTSPLEX PROPOSAL. YOU'RE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THE SPORTSPLEX? NO, NO, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT. WE'RE JUST SAYING, LIKE, LET'S CONTINUE WITH THIS STANTEC FOR THEM TO DO THE DESIGN OF THE OUTDOOR FACILITY. BUT THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. AND PUSH THE BOND.

YOU LITERALLY SAID PUSH THE BOND . I I'M NOT GETTING THE LIBRARY THAT I WANT. RIGHT, RIGHT. I'M NOT BEING ANY OF IT. SO I'M JUST LIKE, IT'S NOT THAT EVERYBODY GETS WHAT THEY WANT. THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IDENTIFY THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN DO NEEDS TO BE THE THING IN QUOTE THERE. THE IN QUOTES IS THAT WE'RE NOT INDIVIDUALLY GETTING WHAT WE WANT. NO, THE SPORTSPLEX PROPOSAL IS YEARS IN THE MAKING AND IS SUBSTANTIATED HEAVILY BY DATA THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE SPOKEN THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO EXPAND THE LIBRARY, AND IT WOULDN'T PASS ON A BOND. UNDERSTAND THAT. WHICH IS WHY I'M SAYING BECAUSE POSSIBLY THE LIBRARY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. AND IF WE NEED TO MAYBE GO TO THE VOTERS AND COLLECT MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT DO THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS LIKE. IF WE WERE TO HAVE AN INDOOR FACILITY, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEED FOR KYLE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE? THAT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, A WAY TO GO. AND THEN DO THE DESIGN OF THAT INDOOR FACILITY THAT KYLE NEEDS. BUT RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE THE SEVEN OF US, IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, HAVE CONFLICTS ON HOW THAT FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE WANT A LAKE KENSINGTON. I THINK THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE. WE KNOW THAT THERE IS ALREADY FUNDING, IDENTIFIED FOR AN OUTDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX AND BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING AROUND THE SENIORS FOR SO LONG ACQUIRING THE DAISY PROPERTY WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO. SO I'M NOT I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN ON HOW I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT A COMMENT FIRST IS LIKE THE QUOTE, WE'RE TOTALLY CONFLICTED ABOUT AN INDOOR FACILITY. I MEAN, WE'RE TOTALLY CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. AND TO SAY THAT, TO FOLLOW UP THAT QUOTE BY SAYING WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH THE TOTALITY OF THE LAKE KENSINGTON PROJECT, WITH IT BEING A COMMUNITY CENTER WITHOUT HAVING DEFINED WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS, IS LITERALLY THE SAME CRITIQUE. YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU MADE THAT SAME CRITIQUE ABOUT THE SPORTSPLEX, YET WE HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT THAT SUPPORTS THE REASON WHY WE WOULD MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA. AND WE KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS WANT MORE SPORTS INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE THINGS EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW IS IN CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER. AND I'M JUST LIKE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LAKE KENSINGTON, I MEAN, ACQUIRING SURE. GETTING THE PROPERTY AND MAKING A PARK, IT'S AN OUTDOOR FACILITY. IT'S AN OUTDOOR PARK. YEAH. CORRECT. SO WHY WOULD WE CREEP INTO NATURE WITH AN INDOOR FACILITY THAT HAS RECREATIONAL COMPONENTS IN AN AREA THAT IS NOT DESIGNED FOR HIGH INTENSITY USAGE? WHO WHO IS SAYING THAT? I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

I SAID THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INDOOR FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE. I'M SAYING ACQUIRE HAVING THE KENSINGTON PROPERTY AND DESIGN A PARK, AN OUTDOOR

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PARK, A TRAIL. I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING INVASIVE. I'M NOT SAYING, LET'S DESIGN A BUILDING.

SO THEN WHY WOULDN'T WE CHANGE THE PARK ITSELF CONTRACT? BECAUSE NONE OF YOU GUYS WANTED TO CHANGE THE CONTRACT TO REMOVE A PHYSICAL BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING FROM THE LAKE KENSINGTON. CAN YOU REPEAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. THE. THE THREE OF YOU SITTING TO MY LEFT HAVE ADVOCATED FOR NOT CANCELING THE BURDICK CONTRACT AND MOVING FORWARD. AND THE BURDICK CONTRACT, AS WRITTEN, INCLUDES THE DESIGN AND FEASIBILITY FOR A BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING. OKAY, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS ADVOCATING RIGHT NOW. WHAT I WAS SAYING RIGHT NOW IS LIKE, NUMBER ONE, WE SHOULD WE SHOULD DESIGN THE KENSINGTON, THE PARK, NOT A FACILITY, JUST THE PARK. NUMBER TWO, WE SHOULD ACQUIRE THE DAISY PROPERTY. GOOD TO GIVE TO THE SENIORS. AND NUMBER THREE, CONTINUE WITH STANTEC TO DO THE DESIGN OF THE OUTDOOR SPORTSPLEX . OKAY, THOSE THREE THINGS I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LIBRARY OR BURDEN OR ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THOSE THREE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT I COULD BE DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF RIGHT NOW. THAT PRESENTS LESS OF A OF A TAX, YOU KNOW, INCREASE BECAUSE TO DO THE DESIGN OF ANY INDOOR FACILITY, WHETHER IT IS A REC CENTER OR THE INDOOR SPORTSPLEX, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND IF WE WANT TO GO OUT TO BOND FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE IN FAVOR. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS TO THE VOTERS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN IT. BUT YOU'RE LITERALLY PROPOSING THAT WE DON'T DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHY WE THE ONLY ACTION TODAY. BUT BUT THE COMMENT THAT WE'RE ALL IN DISAGREEMENT IS, IS NOT ACCURATE, A MINORITY OF THIS BOARD IS WANTING TO NOT GO FORWARD WITH THE SPORTSPLEX. THE MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD, FROM EVERY DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST TWO, TWO PLUS HOURS, WANTS TO PROCEED WITH THE PROPOSALS THAT YOU HAVE HAD SAID, PLUS THE SPORTS PLEX. THE THING IS, IF WE IF WE IF THE MAJORITY OF US GOES FORWARD WITH THIS, THE BURDICK CONTRACT WILL GET CANCELED AND WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES PUTTING ALL OF IT TOGETHER. WE'RE TRYING TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT ON THE SAME PAGE RIGHT NOW. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, WANT US TO DO AT THIS POINT. I THINK, ONE OF FROM FROM WHERE I LOOK AT IT FROM THE EXPERIENCE OF, LIKE, LAKE KYLE. IT'S UNDEVELOPED. IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN. SURE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AT LAKE KENSINGTON. I NEED A MUCH STRONGER FINANCIAL GUARANTEE. SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT AT LAKE KENSINGTON. NOT JUST. WE'RE GOING TO CLEAR UP SOME BUSHES, MOVE SOME DIRT AROUND. WE SPENT $25 MILLION ALREADY IN A FLOODPLAIN TO ENHANCE A PARK THAT'S ALREADY ENHANCED. BECAUSE IT'S A PARK NOW, THAT MONEY HAS TO BE SET ASIDE SOMEHOW EARMARKED OUT TO BUILD SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S. THAT'S WHY I'M INDOOR 35 MILLION. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MONEY WAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE YES, IT DOES MAKE SENSE, BUT WHAT ARE YOU THE VALUE AT? WE NEED TO TAKE. YOU'RE TAKING, YOU'RE TAKING. YOU'RE TAKING RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE TAKING THE VALUE OUT OF THAT BURDEN. CONSULTING. PLAN. HANG HANG ON. YOU NEED TO.

WE NEED TO ASK A QUESTION HERE. IT'S IMPORTANT. WHAT IS THE VALUE OF LAKE KENSINGTON TO THE EAST SIDE? A PAD FOR A VERTICAL BUILDING OR THE CULTIVATION OF A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR PARK WHERE NONE CURRENTLY EXISTS. WHICH OF THOSE TWO IS WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE EAST SIDE? IT'S BOTH. IF YOU WANT TO RUN, IF YOU WANT TO EXERCISE, WALK A DOG, GET SOME SHADE, COOL OFF, TAKE A SHOWER, DRINK SOME WATER. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE THINGS THERE AT THE PARK. YOU DON'T JUST TELL PEOPLE IT'S 100 DEGREES OUT HERE. GO RUN AROUND. OKAY NOW I'M VERY LUCKY THAT IT'S A SHADED AREA. I GIVE YOU THAT. IT'S SHADED. THERE'S GOING TO BE WATER THERE. IT'S STANDING WATER. YOU WANT PEOPLE TO CANOE OUT THERE OR KAYAK OUT THERE. THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE A FACILITY THERE. SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE MONEY FOR THE FACILITY THAT IT NEEDS? BECAUSE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS BOND OUT FOR THE SPORTSPLEX, CREATE IT. THAT'S FINE. BUT THEN WE'RE ON THE HOOK NOW. NOW WE HAVE NO DOLLARS LEFT FOR LAKE KENSINGTON. CAN I CAN I PITCH IN REAL QUICK TO THAT POINT? SO I PICTURE LAKE KENSINGTON AS A SMALL VERSION OF ZILKER PARK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M WRONG IN THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT I'M PROPOSING SORT OF. THIS IS WHERE I'M PROPOSING WE DO. WE GO FORWARD AND WE BUY 1500 DACY LANE FOR $2 MILLION. WE ADD A FEW MILLION DOLLARS TO THE TO THE BUDGET, AND WE BUILD OUT A AREA THAT THE SENIORS CAN USE THE WAY THEY ARE USING THE BUILDING, EXCEPT ON A MUCH, MUCH MORE ROBUST SCALE WITH ADEQUATE FACILITIES. IT ALSO WILL SERVE

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AS A SPACE FOR THE CITY OF KYLE TO USE TO HOST AT VARIOUS TIMES WHEN THE SENIORS AREN'T USING IT. NOW THAT'S NUMBER ONE. CAN YOU PAUSE RIGHT THERE? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA? BUT HANG ON. BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. BUT THE BEST PROJECTS GO FORWARD WHEN EVERYONE IS GETTING SOMETHING THAT IS MOTIVATING TO THEM. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE THAT DEVELOPS OUT THE SENIOR CENTER, FACILITY AND OR SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER, WHATEVER YOU WOULD CALL IT.

NUMBER TWO IS THAT WE IMMEDIATELY GREENLIGHT ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF HEROES MEMORIAL PARK AND LA VERDE'S BUDGET COMBINED ON THE EAST SIDE AS NOT A BUILDING OR A PARKING LOT TO OR LIGHTED COURTS AND VOLLEYBALLS AND ALL THAT STUFF. A MULTI MILLION 15 TO $20 MILLION DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OF LAKE KENSINGTON THAT TURNS IT INTO AN FROM AN UNUSABLE SPACE INTO A WORLD CLASS NUMBER ONE PARK AMENITY IN THE CITY OF KYLE PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BONDED. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BONDED. WE CAN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT RIGHT NOW. NOW THAT WE HAVE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, NUMBER THREE IS, IS TO RE IS TO RE. HANG ON. WHEN YOU SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT DISTRACTS HIM. BEAR HE WAS LISTENING. IS IT. WHY ARE Y'ALL PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME MAN. THAT'S. YOU NEED TO RESCIND WHAT YOU JUST SAID. MAYOR. LOOK LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN. OKAY OH WELL PLEASE. WHY ARE YOU CRITICIZING? PLEASE, EVERYBODY LISTEN. I WAS LISTENING TO YOU. SO THIS IS A COMMENT THIS WAY. SO THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. ALL RIGHT. THE CURRENT PLAN A AS WE HAVE PRESENTED IT TO THE VOTERS AND PUBLICLY PLAN A IS THE LAKE KENSINGTON PARK PROJECT PLUS THE SENIOR CENTER DEVELOPMENT, PLUS A REC CENTER DEVELOPMENT PLUS A LIBRARY DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHAT PLAN A IS. LAKE KENSINGTON PARK PROJECT, SENIOR CENTER, PARK PROJECT, NEW LIBRARY PARK PROJECT AND A REC CENTER PARK PROJECT. WELL, WE'VE SOLVED THE SENIOR CENTER. WE'VE SOLVED, THE PARK PROJECT. AND THAT ALL THAT'S LEFT OUT OF PLAN A IS A REC CENTER AND, A LIBRARY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE TAKE THOSE OUT AND WE CULTIVATE A SPORTSPLEX PROJECT ON THE WEST SIDE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE IMMEDIATE FUNDING OTHER THAN TO RESCOPE THE STANTEC PROPOSAL SO THAT THEY INCORPORATE IN THEIR CONCEPT, NOT DESIGN, BUT IN THEIR CONCEPT PLAN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS OF A LAYOUT THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE OUTDOOR FACILITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THEM TO DO, AND AN INSERT IN INDOOR COMPONENT. AND WE COULD TAKE WHAT STANTEC IS PROPOSING, PLUS OUR FACILITIES DISCUSSION AND PRESENT THAT TO THE VOTERS AND SAY, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PROCEED WITH THE INDOOR OR NOT? AND IF THEY SAY NO, THEN WE HAVE OUR DIRECTION AND OUR HEADING AND CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OUTDOOR COMPONENT OF THE SPORTSPLEX AND LAKE KENSINGTON AND THE SENIOR CENTER. BUT IF BOND WITHOUT BOND. IF SO, THOSE PROJECTS DON'T, THOSE PROJECTS DON'T GET CANNIBALIZED, IT'S A PROPOSAL THAT GETS EVERYBODY THE MAJORITY OF WHAT THEY WANT. IT DOES KILL THE LIBRARY. BUT THE LIBRARY WAS THE TAG ALONG PROJECT THAT COULD NOT STAND ON ITS OWN. NO MATTER WHAT WE DID. IF WE PROPOSE A LIBRARY ON ITS OWN TO THE VOTERS, IT WILL FAIL.

THAT'S WHAT THE. THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THE DATA SAYS. NOT ONLY WILL IT FAIL, IT WILL FAIL BADLY. SO I'M JUST IF BUT IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THEN THEN WHAT DO WE DO? OKAY SO I'D LIKE TO JUST PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PLAN, THE ONE THAT'S BEEN OUTLINED. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE THOSE WHO ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHETHER A SPORTSPLEX IS THE BEST USE. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO RAISE THOSE OBJECTIONS, BUT I'M WILLING TO I'M WILLING TO DEFEND THIS ACTION BEFORE THE VOTERS, WHICH IS WHAT HAS BEEN CAUSING ME THE MOST AMOUNT OF GRIEF, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, IS THAT I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS ANY WAY TO DEFEND AND JUSTIFY THE FINANCIAL QUESTION. WE WERE PROPOSING TO THE VOTERS TO TAKE THE LAST AMOUNT OF BONDING CAPACITY TO FEES, THE DEBT AND, AND INCREASE OUR, TAXES FOR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH FOR ONE ELEMENT FOR WAY CHEAPER AND THE OTHER ELEMENTS, THE COMMUNITY WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE PURSUING AT THIS TIME. BUT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE QUESTION PROPOSED TO THEM FOR SPORTS INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER MY KIDS PLAY, BUT I THINK THAT A REGIONAL SPORTSPLEX IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO THE VOTERS. AND BUT I DON'T WANT TO PROPOSE THAT WITHOUT SOLVING OUR COMMITMENTS TO THE SENIORS, WHICH WE'VE ALL

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MADE, INCLUDING ME, I WANT TO SOLVE THAT COMMITMENT AS WELL. AND I THINK THE CULTIVATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF AN EAST SIDE PARK PROJECT SOUNDS PRETTY FANTASTIC. SOMETHING SOMETHING BIG THAT, THAT THAT WILL MAKE AN IMPACT, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEST SIDE, WE IN PLUM CREEK, THEY HAVE A BIG LAKE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. IT'S RIGHT BY WHERE MISS LAURA LEE LIVES. IT'S WHERE I USED TO LIVE. WE'D WALK OUT OUR FRONT DOOR AND WE'D GO ON A MILE AND A HALF LONG JOURNEY. AS ROUND LAKES. MISS DANIELA LIVES RIGHT THERE ON THAT. ON THAT SITE WE CAN DELIVER, BUT IT'S ALL PRIVATE. YEAH, SO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T GET TO GO TO IT. ONLY THOSE WHO LIVE IN PLUM CREEK. I'M NOT ALLOWED THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN PLUM CREEK ANYMORE. BUT THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH LAKE KENSINGTON WOULD PROVIDE THAT SAME LEVEL OF LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD RELIEF TO KENSINGTON TRAILS SOUTH LAKE RANCH AND ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS ANOTHER MAJOR AMENITY FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC. WHY CAN'T WE PURSUE? WHY CAN'T WE GET BEHIND THIS? I FELT LIKE WE WERE THERE, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS AGO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN. OKAY, THAT DOES SOUND GOOD, I THINK WITH THE WHOLE THING IS IN A NUTSHELL, EVERYBODY'S WE WANT EVERYTHING LIKE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW IN THE FUNDING AND EVERYTHING. AND THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE. AND I THINK THE SMART THING TO DO AS WELL IN LOGIC, THING TO DO, IS ALSO TO INCLUDE THE CITY, TO HAVE THE CITY ALSO COME UP WITH A 3 TO 4 YEAR PLAN ON THESE KIND OF DEALS ITSELF. IF IT MEANS THAT TWO YEARS FROM NOW THE LIBRARY COMES BACK, IT COMES BACK. BUT I THINK WE'LL WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS OUR ECONOMY. WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR POPULATION. WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR LAND USAGE AND SO FORTH. I THINK WE'RE WINNING ALL OF THIS RIGHT NOW. WE ALL EACH HAVE OUR OWN LITTLE DEALS. RIGHT, WHAT'S WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AT THE LAKE KENSINGTON PARK IS BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

BY BUILDING THIS OUT, WE CAN ACTUALLY NOW ADD STREETLIGHTS. THAT WAS VERY NEEDED ON THAT BRIDGE. AND THAT CAN LEAD ALL THE WAY UP. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT AS A WHOLE AS NOT JUST THE PARK ITSELF, BUT EVERYTHING THAT ALIGNS ITSELF ON THAT END, IF WE DECIDE TO GO AHEAD AND A MAJORITY OF US TO GO WITH VOTING ON A BOND ELECTION FOR THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX AGAIN, WHO ARE WE LEAVING IT UP TO, US OR THEM? LEAVE IT UP TO THEM TO DECIDE. THE TAXPAYERS, THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE FINAL SAY ON ALL OF THIS. OKAY. SO IF WE PURSUE THAT AND WE PRESENT IT OUT INTO MY DEFENSE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS AND ALL THESE REPORTS, AGAIN, THESE WERE JUST QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW THAT I WOULD GET AND BE ASKED IF WE JUST GO WITH THAT. AND I WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING SOLID NUMBER TWO, GOING WITH THE 1500 DAISY, THAT WOULD BASICALLY HELP SOLVE THAT ISSUE FOR OUR SENIORS TO GET SOMETHING UP AND RUNNING IN REAL TIME. AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE ON THAT END, IF IT'S YEARS , A COUPLE YEARS FROM NOW, WE DECIDE TO GO WITH A FULL SIZE SENIOR CENTER AGAIN. I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HIRE A SENIOR DIRECTOR, FOR THE CITY. THAT CAN COME IN DUE TIME. I JUST THINK WHAT WE ALL WANT. EVERYTHING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT, WE HAVE TO LOOK LONG TERM, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. WHERE DO YOU SEE YOURSELF FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? I ALWAYS SAY THAT ABOUT OUR CITY. WHERE DO WE SEE OURSELVES FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? I CAN REMEMBER THERESA, MY WIFE, 2005, TALKING ABOUT A REC CENTER WHEN SHE WAS ON THAT BOARD. OF COURSE, WE'RE WE'RE 20, 25 NOW, SO I WOULD I WOULD GO WITH THOSE. I WOULD GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO WHERE WE GET WHAT WE CAN IN REAL TIME. NOW, WITH FUNDING THAT WE HAVE GOING BACK TO BURDETT AGAIN. THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IF WE TAKE AWAY THE CONCEPT OF THE LIBRARY REC CENTER, IF THEY ARE IN THE PARK DESIGN, CONCEPT, IF THEY COULD HELP US IN THAT SENSE. BUT IF WE WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE THIS CONTRACT FOR THAT AND MAYBE ADD THEM TO SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PUTTING IN AN APPLICATION. IF WE WERE TO GO WITH A PARK SETTING, WE CAN STILL USE SOME OF THEIR GREAT DESIGNS AND CONCEPTS. I'M ALL ABOUT BEING OPEN, FLEXIBLE IN A SENSE, BUT ALSO ADAPTING TO WHAT ALL OF US NEED TO BENEFIT AGAIN FOR OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO BEING MINDFUL OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR I MY OWN I JUST KNOW WHEN IT THE CONTRACT WE GAVE FOR BURDETT WAS A CONTRACT THAT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. AND WHAT WHAT I WHAT KICKS OFF LAKE KENSINGTON IS A NEW CONTRACT IN

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MY MIND IS A NEW CONTRACT FOR THE DESIGN OF PARK. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FIRMS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD THAT I DON'T THINK EVEN LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT WAS INITIALLY SCOPED. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO AND IS, I DON'T KNOW, BURDETT, I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. THEY MIGHT BE GREAT. I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT, THAT THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TAKE ONE MORE LOOK, GET CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING, WHICH I THINK WE WILL BE CLEAR AFTER THIS ACTION. WHAT WE'RE PURSUING, AND THEN ALLOW FOR FOLKS TO BID TO DELIVER ON THAT VISION. BURDETT WOULD BE BE ONE OF THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR SCOPE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES, VISTA RIDGE AND VISTA PARK, AND WE HAVE THE LAKE AREA. IT'S AGAIN JUST FINALIZING WHAT CAN ACTUALLY BE USED ON THAT LAND.

WE MAY COME BACK, LIKE I SAID, IF WE COME BACK AND IT SAYS THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PUT A LARGE FACILITY THERE, OR WE CAN ONLY PUT A CLUBHOUSE BECAUSE OF THE PIPING, THE WATER USAGE OR THE DRAINAGE. WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE CONCEPT. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. THAT QUESTION CREATES COMPLICATIONS FOR WHAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR, AND THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION REALLY. THE ANSWER IS WE CAN PUT WHATEVER WE WANT TO PUT THERE. I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT WAS THE ANSWER. WE CAN PUT WHATEVER WE WANT TO PUT THERE WITHIN. WE GOT ABOUT 20 ACRES ON ONE AND 40 ACRES ON THE OTHER, BUT BUT IF IN A COUPLE YEARS FROM NOW WE DECIDE TO GO WITH ANOTHER CONCEPT, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH DESIGNING A LIBRARY OR DESIGNING THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT TIME, THEN WE COULD LOOK AT IT AT WE'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING BY REDEFINING, BUT WE ARE GAINING SO MUCH CLARITY BY BY TAKING THEM ASIDE AND ONLY PURSUING THE THINGS WE KNOW. BECAUSE THE MOTION I WANT TO MAKE AND THE VOTE I WANT US TO TAKE IS TO DO ONE THROUGH EIGHT, OKAY? IT'S TO FOLLOW THIS PLAN AND, AND, AND THAT REQUIRES, THAT REQUIRES US HAVING SOME CLARITY ABOUT WHAT WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS. AND AS A COMMUNITY CENTER ON THOSE TWO SITES IS NOT WHAT WE'RE PURSUING, ACCORDING TO THIS DOCTOR HARRIS, VERDAD HAS ALWAYS ALREADY COMPLETED ABOUT 50% OF THEIR CONTRACT, AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT ALL, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AT THIS POINT IS VERY, VERY USEFUL TO WHAT WE'RE GOING. IF WE ACCEPT THIS, WHAT WILL BE GOING INTO FOR THAT PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE TO INCLUDE THE BUILDING , WHICH IS THE NEXT PIECE OF THEIR CONTRACT. THEY'VE DONE THE EVALUATION OF THE LAND AS BOTH VISTA AND, THE KENSINGTON PROPERTY. AND THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE VALUABLE BECAUSE WE DO STILL HAVE BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES. WE CAN STILL USE BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES. AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE HAS BEEN FULLY WORTH WHAT WHAT WE HAVE CONTRACTED THEM FOR. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE TAKE THAT BUILDING OUT, SINCE THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PHASE OF THEIR CONTRACT, THEN WE NEED TO MODIFY THE CONTRACT OR AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD APPROVE GOING OUT FOR BID, ALTHOUGH THEY WILL PROBABLY BID FOR THAT. AND WE INTERVIEWED THEM AND THEY REALLY ARE VERY STRONG ENVIRONMENTALLY. SO THEY MAY COME BACK WITH A BID FOR THAT TO CONTINUE THAT WORK. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGE IN THE SCOPE. WELL, THOSE THINGS DON'T HAVE TO GO TO BOND. CORRECT. IF WE ARE GOING TO GO TO BOND FOR A VISIONARY PROJECT THAT WILL TAKE 2 OR 3 YEARS TO GET BUILT, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT NOW. BUT IT IS UP TO US TO CONVINCE THE VOTERS THAT THIS MAKES SENSE. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE PUTTING WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL CITY MANAGER, A PHENOMENAL BOND COMMITTEE, A PHENOMENAL FINANCE DEPARTMENT HERE WHO CAN PUT ALL THOSE QUESTIONS TOGETHER AND ANSWER THEM BEFORE NOVEMBER FOR OUR VOTERS. BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE NOW WHETHER WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD ON THIS VISIONARY PROJECT THAT WILL BE YEARS IN THE MAKING. THE OTHER CORRECT, THE EAST SIDE IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE SENIOR CENTER IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT THE BOND . I FEEL LIKE IF IT WAS THE OPPOSITE, Y'ALL WOULD BE MAKING THE ARGUMENT. THE WEST SIDE IS GETTING EVERYTHING THEY WANT NOW, BUT YOU'RE MAKING THE EAST SIDE WAIT. THAT'S LITERALLY THE ARGUMENT YOU WOULD MAKE. CAN WE CAN WE UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S A LAUGHABLE MATTER, MAYOR? WELL, BUT BUT LET ME LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. OKAY. SO AND I WANT TO MAKE ALL COUNCIL AWARE MATHEMATICALLY. LET'S JUST LOOK AT MATH OKAY. AND I'M NOT POINTING AT YOU, RIZZO. SORRY.

SO I JUST LOOKED THAT WAY. I LOOKED THAT WAY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT EITHER, BUT, SO WE REALLY DON'T TECHNICALLY NEED TO BOND FOR THE SPORTSPLEX TO GET IT. WE COULD HAVE THE DAISY LANE PROJECT. WE ALREADY HAVE KENSINGTON. THOSE ARE ALREADY IN OUR POCKET. SO, IT FEELS LIKE THE NEGOTIATION THAT WE'RE GETTING IS WE'RE GOING TO GET THESE NOW IN REAL TIME. AND HERE

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THEY ARE. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD THEM A YEAR AGO. WE COULD HAVE HAD THEM TODAY, TOMORROW. AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BOND TO IMPROVE A COMMUNITY CENTER, SENIOR CENTER OR LATE KENSINGTON. WE REALLY DON'T. BUT WHAT WE'RE BONDING FOR IS FOR A WANT, OKAY, WE WANT AN INDOOR SPLASH SPORTSPLEX. BUT WHERE I HAVE MY MOST RESERVATIONS IS THE OR OTHER AMOUNT. THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING TO ME, BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT, MULTIPLIED BY TWO AND THEN THOSE HOCKEY RINKS I CANNOT GET BEHIND AN INDOOR SPORTSPLEX WITH HOCKEY RINKS, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY COULD BE AN ANCHOR TENANT, BUT I JUST DO NOT SEE MYSELF SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT INCLUDES INDOOR HOCKEY RINKS OR MORE BOND MONEY ON A SPORTSPLEX THAT ALREADY HAD BOND MONEY IN 2020. I JUST I JUST DO NOT I DO NOT FEEL IT'S VERY FAIR AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I AM. CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO THAT POINT, SO I AM IN FAVOR OF MOST OF IT. I STILL WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, HOWEVER, IF THIS WERE TO GO, YOU KNOW, IF THE DIRECTION WILL BE FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND ASK STANTEC TO DESIGN IT, CAN THEY BRING SEVERAL PROPOSALS? I MEAN, AT LEAST TWO PROPOSALS. ONE, THAT INCLUDES THE ICE SKATING RINK AND ONE THAT DOESN'T JUST SO WE HAVE AT LEAST AN IDEA OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO THERE IF WE WERE NOT TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP THAT BRINGS ICE SKATING RINKS. THAT'S THE PLAN. THAT'S THE PLAN, OKAY.

THIS IDEA OF FILLING THE GREEN, LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE LIKE, FOR ME, HONESTLY, I KEEP SAYING, YOU KNOW, HOCKEY'S NOT MY THING. AND IT NEVER HAS BEEN. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY WAY I WOULD MOVE FORWARD ON HOCKEY THING IS IF WE HAD THE RIGHT CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH AN ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE THAT THEY GET PROFIT, POOR PROFIT, WE DEFINITELY NEED THEM TO PAY THEIR SHARE AND THEY NEED TO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT ASSURES THAT EVEN IF THEY LEAVE EARLY, THEY HAVE TO BUY IT OUT, RIGHT.

SO IT THAT'S IF WE EVEN LOOK AT THAT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, FOR ME, I'M NOT LOOKING AT ANY ICE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY COMPLETELY NO TO SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN. BUT REALLY, I'M LOOKING AT THE KIDS IN OUR AREA. I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WE DON'T. WE'RE LACKING IN THE CITY, AND I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A WANT. I SEE IT AS A NEED BECAUSE I'M OUT THERE. I SEE WHAT THESE FAMILIES HAVE TO DO, FROM SOFTBALL TO BASKETBALL TO VOLLEYBALL TO CHEER THE AMOUNT OF TRAVELING THEY DO. BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING HERE REGIONALLY IN CENTRAL TEXAS, YOU HAVE TO GO TO ROUND ROCK, WHICH IS DECENT FACILITY. I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. IT'S A NICE ONE, SAN ANTONIO HAS NOT AS NICE OF ONE. AND, BUT TO BRING SOMETHING HERE TO THIS AREA, THAT WOULD BE A REGIONAL DRAW, BUT ALSO BE HERE FOR OUR KIDS. SO THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD GET BEHIND IS IF WE DID A BUILDING LIKE THIS, I MADE SURE WE ALLOCATED TIME FOR OUR KIDS HERE, MAKING SURE THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME LIKE I'VE. I'VE GOT A MEMBERSHIP IN SAN MARCOS AND, THERE'S SO MUCH PICKLEBALL GOING ON NOW THAT MY KID CAN'T EVEN GET ON THE COURT OVER THERE FOR A BASKETBALL. I CAN'T, I MEAN, I'M IT'S TOUGH TO FIND COURTS FOR OUR KIDS TO LEARN ON AND RELISH ON. SO IT'S GETTING TOUGHER. BUT FOR ME, IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING. THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF. NO. SO TO THAT POINT, IT'S JUST LIKE, SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE DESIGN FOR US TO GO TO BOND WITH THIS, IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS FOR THEM TO PRESENT IT. BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO END UP HIRING SOMEBODY TO OPERATE THESE FACILITIES, THAT IF WE DON'T AND I GUESS THIS WILL COME IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, IF THIS WERE TO PASS AS A BOND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACTS OR THE LEASE AGREEMENTS THAT WE DO WITH THESE PEOPLE, BUT THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS WITH WHATEVER GOES IN THERE INSTEAD OF AN ICE SKATING RINK. SO I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS, IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM THREE ON HERE, IS THAT WE WOULD ENGAGE STANTEC TO DO THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR IT. AND THEN IN LATE JULY, WE CAN BRING BACK A VARIETY OF OPTIONS WORKING WITH STANTEC.

HERE'S WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. HERE'S SOME SIZE OPTIONS, CONFIGURATIONS, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION OF PERHAPS WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. IT WILL NOT BE A COMPLETE DESIGN. THERE'S JUST SIMPLY NOT TIME TO DO THAT. AND THAT WOULD THEN BE SOMETHING. AFTER THE PROJECT IS APPROVED, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE ALL THE SPECIFICS OF THE FACILITY AND HOW BIG AND WHAT ELEMENTS WOULD BE THERE, BUT THEY'LL GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS AND WE DO COMMUNITY INPUT FOR THAT ANYWAY. YES, MA'AM. ABSOLUTELY THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S SO TRICKY ABOUT THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING, THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF HOMEWORK YOU HAVE TO DO JUST TO ASK THE

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QUESTION. BUT ALSO THERE'S IF YOU SPEND IF YOU GO TOO FAR BEFORE THEN YOU GET OUT AHEAD OF THE VOTERS AND YOU'RE DOING WORK THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING BECAUSE IF THEY SAY NO, THEN YOU'VE WASTED ALL THIS STAFF TIME AND RESOURCE. YEAH. SO I'M I'M TRYING TO GET US TO A POINT OF ASKING THE QUESTION WITH A, WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION HAVING NOT GONE TOO FAR, WHICH I THINK IF WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF HAVING AGREEMENTS WITH OPERATORS, THEN WE'VE POTENTIALLY GONE TOO FAR, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN AT THE LEVEL OF, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS OPERATOR? OR THIS OPERATOR? I'M TRYING TO GET US TO BACK UP AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, HANG ON. WE PROBABLY WE'VE GOT WE'VE NEGOTIATED ALL OF THIS, TO A POINT WHERE NOW WE CAN ASK THE VOTERS AND LET'S, LET'S GO ASK THE VOTERS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PURSUE THIS PROJECT. I THINK THAT IT'S THE MOST RELEVANT QUESTION COMPARED TO A LIBRARY QUESTION OR A SENIOR CENTER QUESTION. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE WORD LIBRARY ANYMORE. WELL, HERE'S THE THING TO DO A LIBRARY REQUIRES US TO ASK THE VOTERS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THIS THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HEADED TO, SADLY. BUT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHENEVER ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO GET OPERATOR PROPOSALS IN FRONT OF US BEFORE NOVEMBER OR WILL THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DONE? NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE TO ASK THE VOTERS FOR WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT THIS FACILITY AT THE CONCEPTS THAT WE BRING FORWARD IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE DESIGNS, TO HAVE MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ABOUT WHAT ALL PIECES WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE. AND THEN THERE COULD BE AN OPERATOR QUESTION OF WHETHER THAT'S THE CITY OPERATING IT OR SOME PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. THAT WOULD BE A TIME TO DO THAT. BRIAN, COULD WE ALSO FIND OUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE 100% PUBLIC AND FREE SO THAT OUR TAXPAYERS ARE NOT CHARGED OPERATION TO USE AGREEMENT, RIGHT. LIKE JUST LIKE JUST IF LIKE, LIKE FREE COME OUT LIKE A LIBRARY. YOU YOU'RE NOT CHARGED IN A LIBRARY. YOU'RE NOT CHARGED IN A COMMUNITY. THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG POINT FOR ME THAT FINANCIALLY WE DO NOT BURDEN PEOPLE. I THINK THERE WILL BE A NEED TO USE AN INDOOR FACILITY AGAIN AS WE GET PAST, THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WITH THE ELECTION. THERE'LL BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT. AND YOU COULD HAVE COMPONENTS WHERE YOU COULD HAVE NO COST OR A SMALL FEE, OTHERS THAT WOULD BE RESERVED FOR TOURNAMENTS. THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO DO IT, AND YOU'D HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT THAT. LET ME GO. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BRINGING AN AMENITY TO KYLE THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN USE AS WELL. AND YOU LOOK, HONESTLY, NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE DOLLARS TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THEIR KIDS IN ALL THESE SPORTS LEAGUES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO MAKING SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME FOR ALL THE KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY ON MY PRIORITY LIST, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY AND TO DEVELOP IN ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DEVELOP. AND SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS WE'RE CHARGING, KIDS WITH PHYSICAL ABILITIES TO USE A PUBLIC. YEAH, THAT IS 100% WHERE I'M GOING TO BE. SO WHENEVER WE DO THIS LEASE AGREEMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE OUR KIDS DON'T GET CHARGED TO GO TO MARY CARSON. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS FACILITY, NO MATTER WHO OPERATES IT, THAT THE RESIDENTS OF KYLE ARE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. AND AGAIN, THIS WILL BE UNDER LEASE AGREEMENTS, BUT THAT THAT THERE IS ALWAYS SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GO AND UTILIZE FACILITIES FOR FREE. YEAH.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT UNTIL UNTIL WE FIND OUT MORE DETAILS. THAT'S A GREAT, QUESTION THAT YOU ASK BECAUSE I, I FEEL THE SAME WAY. YEAH, WE ALL FEEL THAT WAY. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M LIKE, WE KNOW THAT. THAT'S THE POINT. I JUST HAD TO REALLY FIGHT HARD FOR WHAT I BELIEVED IN. NO, THE PROBLEM IS WE. IF YOU MAKE IT YOUR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT CONTINGENT UPON US BEING ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE IN WRITING THAT THAT IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE. WE ARE 12 TO 24 MONTHS AWAY FROM THE NEGOTIATION OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A PRIORITY, THAT WE WOULD TAKE A70 VOTE, THAT WE ALL HAVE THE PRIORITY OF MAKING SURE THAT THE FACILITY, HAS INCREDIBLE VALUE TO THE LOCALS AND, AND CONVEYS THAT. SO WE USE THE PRIVATE SIDE TO HELP BRING THE VALUE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN HERE IS LIKE, I KNOW HE WANTS A LIBRARY AS MUCH AS I WANT. I CAN GO TO A LIBRARY FOR FREE BECAUSE AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT FOR ME TO SOUND LIKE I'M NOT GETTING WHAT I WANT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO IF WE'RE NOT GOING IN THAT DIRECTION, I WANT TO GO AND SIT DOWN IN THAT FACILITY AND NOT BE IN CHARGE FOR IT, JUST LIKE I WOULD DO IN THE LIBRARY. AND I KNOW THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE AGREEMENTS RIGHT NOW. BUT I NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE MY PIECE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE DIRECTION THAT I REALLY WANTED TO GO TO BEGIN WITH. I

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UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO AS A COUNCIL. ALL OF US WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THE PUBLIC WHEN WE'RE MAKING THOSE AGREEMENTS, MAKING SURE THAT THE KIDS, ALL KIDS, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, USE A FACILITY IS GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT ON MY PRIORITY LIST AS WELL. SO BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE AS A COUNCIL. THAT'S ALL OF US. WE'LL BE WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR PASSION, MISS PARSLEY, YOU HAVE A VERY, VERY, VERY WONDERFUL STORY AND JOURNEY BECAUSE OF YOUR BACKGROUND. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MENTIONED IT MANY TIMES BEFORE, COMING TO, TO OUR COUNTRY AND NOT LEARNING ENGLISH AND USING FACILITIES LIKE A LIBRARY AND BOOKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET YOU TO WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, INCLUDING YOUR PROFESSION AS, AS AN EDUCATOR, WHICH IS A VERY HONORABLE POSITION, A VERY HONORABLE CAREER. I KNOW THIS MEANS A LOT TO YOU. AND I HEAR YOU, AND I RESPECT YOU FOR THAT, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US NEEDING TO IN THE END, AS A COUNCIL, NOT ONLY LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE ALL HAVE OUR PASSIONS AND, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE. AND IT'S HARD, IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD BECAUSE AS I KNOW, MISS MISS HAIR, DOCTOR HARRIS IS VERY, VERY INVOLVED IN IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND SHE'S VERY CONCERNED FOR THE CITY OF THAT.

I KNOW REST OF US ARE REALLY LOOKING AT OUR ECONOMIC PROSPER BECAUSE WE ARE IN A VERY, VERY GOOD POSITION, I'M, AS YOU KNOW, INTO PUBLIC SAFETY, BECAUSE OF MY CAREER PATH. AND THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY EMPHASIZING INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS STREET LIGHTS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT FOR PEDESTRIANS, FOR SAFETY. WE ALL HAVE OUR PASSIONS, WE ALL HAVE OUR DRIVES. BUT IT ALL JUST COMES DOWN TO ALL OF US. LEARNING HOW TO COMPROMISE IN A WAY. AND WE MAY NOT GET EVERYTHING WE WANT RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I MADE THE COMMENT, EVEN IF IT TAKES THREE YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE HAVE TO GET A COMMUNITY CENTER OR ANOTHER COUNCIL, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW IF I'M ON COUNCIL OR NOT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE GOT TO PASS THAT TORCH ON.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO JUST BE VERY REALISTIC OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR MONEY AND OUR TAX DOLLARS.

AND WE ARE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENTS, OF COURSE, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH WATER, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH POWER OUTAGES. AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE CONCEPT OF ALL THIS. AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US COMING TOGETHER ON THIS. SO, IF WE GO WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT MAYOR MITCHELL DOES, IS REQUESTING, IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH THE BOND PROPOSAL FOR THE INDOOR COMPLEX SPORTS CENTER AGAIN, WE CAN PROPOSE IT. WE CAN GET THE NUMBERS, BUT IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE VOTERS IN THE BARBARIAN AND SO THAT KIND OF IS THE THAT KIND OF IS THE TRADE IN A NUTSHELL. SO IT'S IF YOU THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT WE INDIVIDUALLY WANT, THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT IT, THE SPORTSPLEX HAS TO GO TO THE VOTERS LIBRARY, HAS TO GO TO THE VOTERS. BUT THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH MEANS THAT THOSE THINGS HAVE RISK, THIS PROPOSAL, TAKES THE RISK OUT OF THE PARK AND IT TAKES THE RISK OUT OF THE SENIOR CENTER, WHICH ARE ALSO COMMITMENTS OF ALL OF OURS. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SEE THOSE PROJECTS COME FORWARD. SO TO YOUR QUESTION OF LIKE, CAN WE SEPARATE IT? THE REALLY WE ARE SEPARATING IT WHETHER WE WANT TO OR NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE OTHER THINGS STILL, WHATEVER IT IS, STILL HAS SOME, SOME RISK ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND I THINK THAT'S OKAY. I'M I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. BUT I JUST WANT US TO BE CLEAR WITH THE VOTERS AND CLEAR AND HAVE OUR ACTIONS FOLLOW WHAT WE'RE PURSUING. AND IN EARNEST, WHICH IS WHAT REQUIRES AT THIS POINT, I THINK, ABOUT USING THE BURDICK CONTRACT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE CREATED NOW. BUT STOPPING THEM FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL AND THEN REORIENTED AND COMING UP WITH A FULL DESIGN FOR LAKE KENSINGTON. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PURSUIT, BUT AT LEAST NOT SAYING WE CAN'T GET THERE AT ALL IN TIME. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO, MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PURSUE POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS. ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT, AS OUTLINED IN THE COMMUNITY SPACES PAGES NUMBER 11. AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 1500 DACY LANE, FOR A FAIR AND REASONABLE PRICE, AND TO EXECUTE

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ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO COMPLETE SUCH PURCHASE. 2ND MAY. NAY. OH NO, NO, WE'RE NOT VOTING YET. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MOTION WAS MADE BY THE MAYOR. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEIZER. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? CAN WE CONTINUE WITH THE BURDICK CONSULTING CONTRACT OUT UNTIL JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY WILL BE BRINGING UP, AT LEAST TO SEE THE SCOPE THAT THEY HAVE HAD ALREADY ? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. EVERYTHING THAT'S LEFT IN THEIR SCOPE OF WORK IS IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PURSUE. THEIR SCOPE OF WORK IS TO IS TO, WORK ON CONCEPTS FOR A LIBRARY REC CENTER SLASH. THEN I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED. YEAH, WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT TO YOU. AND PERHAPS HAVE THEM GIVE A REPORT.

HERE'S EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE. BUT THE MAYOR IS CORRECT. THEY WOULD BE AT THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THEIR SCOPE ARE TO DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND TO PUT TOGETHER RENDERINGS AND CONCEPTS FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER ON SITES. BUT ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, I DO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE. IT'S A VALUE. WE CAN HAVE THEM COME FORWARD AND PRESENT THAT TO YOU, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, APPROPRIATE PLACE IN THAT, THAT WORK TO STOP AND THEN TO REENGAGE ON ANOTHER PROJECT.

AND AS WE'VE SAID, THEY COULD BE THE WINNING PROPOSAL FOR THAT. BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH A FORMAL RFQ PROCESS THAT REALLY IT WAS NOT A DESIGN CONTRACT. IT WAS JUST A FEASIBILITY PROJECT.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY WERE BEING ASKED TO DO. OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PRESENTED TO US WHAT THEY HAVE DONE SO FAR. I WILL CERTAINLY GET THAT SCHEDULED. THANK YOU. I ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO USE A DIFFERENT REALTOR FOR THE DAISY PROJECT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DIVERSIFY THAT. I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. IT'S UNDER HERE. IT'S UNDER THE STEPS . INITIATE ACQUIRE PROPERTY RIGHT? WELL, YES. I MEAN THAT'S ONE OF THE STEPS THAT YOU NEED, RIGHT, TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY. CHRIS TORY IS A REALTOR THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED IN THE PAST. AND AMY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE LAST CONTRACT THAT WE APPROVED THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS POTENTIALLY INCLUDED. YES. SO. SO IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON THAT, WE'D NEED DIRECTION. BUT RIGHT NOW HE IS THE REALTOR THAT THAT WE WOULD BE USING FOR THAT PARTICULAR ENGAGEMENT. SO HE'S ALREADY DONE AS PART OF HIS CONTRACT. GREAT DEAL OF THE WORK ON THAT. HIS EXISTING CONTRACT LISTS 1500 DAISY LANE AS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES HE'S LOOKING AT. IT WAS AMONGST A NUMBER OF PARK PROPERTIES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AT THE TIME. I REMEMBER TAKING A VOTE FOR ONLY THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES AND THE PARKS, AND THAT WAS SOME AGREEMENT. I THINK THE PARK PROPERTY WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SUBJECT TO CHANGE. IF THE IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE MORE VARIETY IN REALTOR SELECTIONS. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS FAIR FOR I THINK WE'VE AGREED ON THAT ALREADY. WE ALREADY HAVE AGREED ON THAT. THIS IS JUST ONE THAT WAS SHOWED A YEAR AGO AND WAS SHOWED LAST WEEK. SO IT WASN'T ME THAT DID THAT. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE COUNCIL AS A GROUP IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS MOVING IN AND GIVING MORE REALTORS AN OPPORTUNITY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK AS A CITY. YEAH, BRIAN, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT COUNCIL INVOLVED WITH THIS.

BRIAN, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, GIVING EVERYBODY AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. AND, BUT THIS IS FOR PROJECTS THAT THAT ARE NOT UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE, LET'S DEFINITELY LOOK AT AS A CITY WHAT WE CAN DO TO DIVERSIFY THAT, PROCESS WITH REALTORS. IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. I MEAN, WE'RE DOING IT WITH A LOT OF OUR OTHER, YOU KNOW, ENTITIES WE WORK WITH. AND I THINK THERE WAS THE, WAS THE CONTRACT THAT WE DID WHERE WE ADDED MICHAEL, YOU ADDED ANOTHER FIRM TO WHAT WAS IT, THE, OUR OUR SCOPE OF, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? INFRASTRUCTURE SO WHEN WE'RE HIRING COMPANIES FOR THAT. YEAH, WE'RE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? WE ADDED ANOTHER FIRM, THE ROTATION, TO BE BIGGER AND BROADER. SO WE COULD DO THIS AS WELL FOR OUR REALTORS. IT WOULD IT I THINK IT WOULD SHOW A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY. AND IT, IT SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AS A CITY GIVING EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY. BUT WE'VE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE MR. RIZZO AND WE HAVEN'T GIVEN OTHER PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK WE CAN USE A LAWYER ON THIS ONE. A LAWYER CAN CAN SIGN A CONTRACT FOR REAL ESTATE. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO BE. I WANT TO BE. IT'S FAIR AND HONEST. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE A NAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO

[2) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the options for property tax rate considerations, including the potential defeasance of outstanding bond debt, for the upcoming fiscal year 2024-2025.]

1. IS THAT HOW I READ THAT? YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLDS DISCUSSION, PROVIDES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING OPTIONS FOR PROPERTY TAX RATE CONSIDERATIONS , INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL DEFEASANCE OF OUTSTANDING BOND DEBT FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR 2425. SO, MAYOR, MAYOR, PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, I'M CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. STAFF HAS REQUESTED THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR, MR. MARK

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MCLARNEY WITH SAMCO CAPITAL TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITIES OF VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT WOULD UTILIZE DEBT. DEFEASANCE AS A FINANCIAL STRATEGY TO DO AT LEAST THREE THINGS MANAGE THE CITY'S PROPERTY TAX RATES IN 2025 AND BEYOND. SAVE INTEREST COSTS ON EXISTING DEBT AND TO MAKE ADDITIONAL DEBT CAPACITY AVAILABLE FOR FINANCING NEW CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO WITH THAT, AS AN INTRO TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. MIKE. MARK MCLNERNY TO PROCEED WITH HIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU ALL. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, ABOUT 11 MONTHS AGO WE HAD A PRELIMINARY OR WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS SAME ITEM LAST YEAR. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE NEW FACES, ON COUNCIL THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN, GONE THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR, WHAT THE DEFEASANCE IS, IS PAYING OFF BONDS OR PAYING OFF DEBT EARLY PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL MATURITY DATE. IN OUR WORLD, THERE'S TWO, TWO WAYS OF DOING THAT. THERE'S USING CASH TO DO IT. THAT CASH IS DERIVED FROM THE INS TAX RATE. THE OTHER AVENUE IS TO DO A BOND REFUNDING WHEN INTEREST RATES COME LOWER. IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SETTING AN INS TAX RATE TO GENERATE INCOME THAT WOULD BE USED TO PAY OFF FUTURE MATURITIES TODAY, VERY SIMILAR TO BEING AT YOUR HOME AND PERHAPS MAKING AN EXTRA BOND OR, I'M SORRY, AN EXTRA MORTGAGE PAYMENT A YEAR TO SHORTEN THE BACK END OF THAT. OF THAT LOAN OR THAT MORTGAGE, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, CITY COUNCIL, YOUR EXISTING DEBT HAS A SET BOND MATURITY SCHEDULE. AND IN ORDER TO DO A DEFEASANCE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO AUTHORIZE A RESOLUTION TAKING FUTURE MATURITIES AND MAKING THEM NEXT YEAR'S OBLIGATIONS. AND THAT'S THE STEP TO DO IT. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. THE REASON PERVEZ ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS, WHY WOULD WE CONSIDER A, CASH DEFEASANCE OF EXISTING DEBT FIRST, IN A FAST GROWING CITY, WHEN VALUATION CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND WE'VE GOTTEN PRELIMINARY VALUES FROM THE, THE CAD THIS THIS YEAR FROM HAYS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT THAT SHOWS US ABOUT 14% HIGHER THAN WE WERE LAST YEAR. WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOUR TAX RATE WITH THAT? IS IT DRIVEN DOWN, DERM PERHAPS UP TO ABOUT 4 OR $0.05 THIS UPCOMING YEAR. IF YOU PROCEED WHEN YOU HAVE A FUTURE BOND PROJECT. AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S YOUR, THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING CALLING, BUT YOU HAVE A $250 MILLION WORTH OF BONDS FOR STREETS AND $7 MILLION FOR PARKS THAT YOU WILL BE ISSUING OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. THAT WILL DRIVE YOUR TAX RATE UP WHEN THE ELECTION. YEAH, THESE ARE CURRENT, CURRENTLY BONDED CURRENTLY APPROVED BOND ISSUE.

YES. UNISSUED. VOTED AND UNISSUED. WHEN WE HAD THAT ELECTION, WE AS CITY COUNCIL OR YOU ALL AS CITY COUNCIL, WE AS ADVISORS THOUGHT THE TAX RATE WOULD TAKE IT $0.59. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WENT TO. THE VOTERS, BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THAT YOU'VE HAD, IT'S NOT AT $0.59 AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WILL GO THERE, BUT WE'VE ALSO DELAYED NOT NECESSARILY, FOR ANY OTHER REASON. WE'RE JUST WORKING ON THE ENGINEERING. WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE HAD A SECOND BOND ISSUE THIS PAST YEAR, FOR THE STREET PROJECT. RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT TAX RATE IS 46.93. THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE GOING DOWN TO ABOUT 4241, BASED OFF THE GROWTH WHEN YOU PAY OFF OLD DEBT, YOU'RE BUILDING, FEWER OVER CAPACITY, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD AT HOME. AND THEN IT'S ALSO CUTTING OFF THE INTEREST ASSOCIATED WITH THE THAT DEBT INSTEAD OF CARRYING DEBT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. YOU'RE PAYING IT OFF NOW AND DON'T HAVE INTEREST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO SO WHEN THE COUNCIL IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD SET A TAX RATE, WE WOULD

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CALL THE BONDS, WE WOULD SET A TAX RATE ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT YOU ALL ARE TARGETING. AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT THROUGH THAT RESOLUTION, COST TO DO THIS WOULD BE ROUGHLY 15 TO $20,000 TO DO, PERHAPS AS LOW AS TEN. DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU PAY OFF, THERE'S SOME REAL SAVINGS THAT YOU'RE CUTTING OFF. THAT WE WON'T BE USING AND PAYING FOR. PAYING GOING FURTHER, WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AMOUNTS, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO VISIT WITH YOU ALL, OF DEFEATING NOT LESS THAN 3 MILLION $803,585,000 WORTH OF BONDS FROM THE GEOTHERM TEEN, THE GEO REFUNDING BOND 13 AND THE GEO REFUNDING BOND 2014, THE FINAL AMOUNT WILL BE DETERMINED BY WHAT YOU ALL AS CITY, DECIDE AND, HOW MUCH OR WHERE YOU WANT YOUR TAX RATE TO BE NEXT YEAR.

IF YOU ALL PROCEED, YOU'RE GOING TO SET YOUR TAX RATE A BIT HIGHER THAN YOU WOULD IF YOU DON'T, DO A DEFEASANCE. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS THE FOLLOWING YEAR? ONE THE TAX RATE WILL DROP FURTHER UNLESS YOU REPLACE IT WITH EXISTING BONDS OR NEW BONDS. VOTED BONDS. AND NEXT YEAR WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT $32 MILLION WORTH OF BONDS THAT THAT WOULD REPLACE THE DROP. SO HERE'S THE IMPACT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW BASED OFF OF YOUR CURRENT PRELIMINARY VALUES, YOUR NEXT YEAR'S TAX RATE LOOKS TO BE AND WE WON'T KNOW THIS UNTIL LATE JULY. BUT IT LOOKS TO BE 41, 67 CURRENT YEAR, THE CURRENT YEAR YOU HAVE, IT'S 46, 93. SO BASED UPON THE PRELIMINARY VALUES, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD GO TO 4167 WITHOUT THE FREEZING BONDS, WITHOUT ISSUING NEW BONDS, YOUR TAX RATES MADE UP OF TWO COMPONENTS, ONE FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION, ONE FOR INS. AS YOU GROW WITH TAXABLE VALUE, THE M AND O GETS PUSHED DOWN AND THEN SENATE BILL TWO ALLOWS YOU TO GET 3.5% FROM LAST YEAR. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED FROM SENATE BILL TWO WITH 15. NEARLY 15% GROWTH WITH YOUR M AND O IS LIKELY TO DROP ABOUT A PENNY, IF NOT MORE. AND THAT DOES INCLUDE YOU'RE GETTING THE 3.5% RATE. BUT NOTICE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE INS TAX RATE.

IT'S GOING TO DROP APPROXIMATELY $0.05. AND THAT IS INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THE INS JUST COVERS YOUR DEBT, WHICH IS ALL DEBT THAT'S OUTSTANDING DEBT, ALL DEBT THAT'S SUPPORTED BY TAXES. YOU HAVE UTILITY SYSTEM DEBT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. SO, SO IN A NUTSHELL, IT'S THE OUR DEBT RATE IS GOING TO GO DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ISSUING THE DEBT THIS YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE IT NEXT YEAR, WHICH MEANS IT HAS TO GO UP. AND IF WE DON'T HOLD IT STEADY, IT WILL HAVE TO GO UP BY A GREATER AMOUNT. SO THE REQUEST IS IT'S FINANCIALLY BETTER FOR THE CITY TO GO AHEAD AND PAY DOWN SOME EXTRA DEBT NOW AND HOLD THE RATE STEADY. AND IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH AN EVEN HARDER QUESTION. NEXT YEAR. SO THE PROPOSAL TO THE COUNCIL IS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HOLD THE RATE STEADY? WE CAN EITHER GO. WE CAN EITHER ALLOW IT TO DROP SOME, WE CAN HOLD IT STEADY, OR WE CAN ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND INCREASE IT, WE CAN EITHER DO $0.41, $0.46 OR 52, 41 DROPS. 46 HOLDS THE SAME. I'M SORRY. 50 GOES BACK TO LAST YEAR'S RATE. AND 52 WOULD ACTUALLY INCREASE IT A LITTLE CLOSER. AND IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? OBVIOUSLY THE MORE YOU THE MORE YOU INCREASE THE RATE NOW, THE MORE YOU PAY OFF, THE MORE CAPACITY WE GENERATE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. BUT I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, YOU KNOW. CANSTILL. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 59.99. THAT'S WHERE WE ULTIMATELY GET, YOU KNOW, UP TO A 36 CENT INS RATE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PARTICULAR THOUGHT ON WHETHER OR NOT WHAT KIND OF STRATEGY YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE? I'VE BEEN ON THE RECORD, AND LAST YEAR WE WERE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE ABOUT, HOLDING THE RATE STEADY. I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER DOING THAT. COUNCILOR HARRIS, THAT 59.99 HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. YES. SO, YEAH, WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THAT VOTER. YEAH. FAR, FAR WITHIN THAT, I THINK JUST HOLDING IT STEADY IS AT A MINIMUM, THE, A VERY FINANCIALLY SMART THING TO

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DO. BUT AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE FOR TRYING TO GET IT, ACTUALLY BUMPING IT UP A LITTLE BIT TO CREATE PAY OFF EVEN MORE DEBT, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PURSUING AND SAVING. BUT.

AN ELECTION, IF WE COULD GO LIKE POINT SIX. RIGHT. IF WE WENT TO POINT SIX, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVEN BE. YEAH. WELL WE COULD, RIGHT. BUT BUT WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO STAY BELOW THAT.

AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HONOR THAT. I THINK I THINK WE WILL HONOR THAT NO MATTER WHAT, INCLUDING EVEN IF EVEN IF WE TAKE A PROPOSITION TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER FOR SPORTSPLEX, I THINK WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN THAT RATE. SO WE ARE GOING TO HIT THAT. I JUST THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER HOLDING IT. AND LEGALLY, IT JUST REQUIRES A43 ORDINANCE VOTE. THE DEBT GETS ISSUED, THE RATE IS ADJUSTED. AND WHEN WE CONSIDER OUR, OUR BUDGET AND TAX RATE HERE IN JUST A FEW MONTHS, IT'LL JUST BE BAKED IN. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE QUESTION. KIND OF LIKE WE WANT TO PAY OFF OUR DEBT OR WE WOULD HAVE TO RAISE IT, OR WE WANT TO STAY STEADY OR WE'RE PAYING ON THE ARGUMENT AGAINST, DOING IT THIS WAY, IS THAT YOU'RE TAXING PEOPLE THIS YEAR FOR DEBT. YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND NEXT YEAR. AND SO IS THAT IS THAT IS THAT APPROPRIATE OR IS IT NOT? I, I, I GENERALLY HAVE FELT FOR A LONG TIME THAT HOLDING THE RATE IS CLOSE TO STEADY. IS, IS JUST GENERALLY THE BETTER WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT'S AN ARTIFICIAL IN MY OPINION. IT'S AN ARTIFICIAL REDUCTION OF OUR TAX RATE. IT SOUNDS GOOD TO LOWER IT. 4 OR $0.05, BUT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A BILL THAT YOU'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO PAY THAT'S DUE NEXT YEAR AND YOU LOWER YOUR RATE THIS YEAR, YOU'RE IT'S ALMOST IT IT IT'S A DEBATE AS FAR AS WHAT IS THE MOST TRANSPARENT AND WISE THING. I THINK THAT'S THE EXACT POINT IS IT MANAGES JUST THE VOLATILITY OF THE RATE AND EVERY YEAR YOU'LL HAVE AN INDEPENDENT DECISION. YOU HAVE ANOTHER LOOK. YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHAT'S THE BONDS, THE TIMING OF WHEN THE BONDS WILL BE ISSUED. WE COME BACK. WE HAVE THAT OTHER DISCUSSION AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE. BUT THAT'S IT'S REALLY THAT VOLATILITY OF THE RATE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T GO SO FAR DOWN JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ISSUE THE BONDS YET. BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DRAMATIC CHANGE ON SOMEONE'S HOUSEHOLD OR A BUSINESS. AND THE COST OF THAT ALL AT ONE TIME. AND IT DOES HAVE THE ADDED BENEFIT OF REDUCING INTEREST EXPENSE AND BUILDING SOME CAPACITY. AND IF WE HOLD IT STEADY, THEN AT LEAST WE IN A YEAR COMING BACK TO THIS ISSUE, WILL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT REVENUES WE'RE BRINGING IN RIGHT. AND JUST AND THERE'S A GUARANTEE THAT THESE DOLLARS THAT IF WE STAY STEADY, THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO PAY BACK THE DEBT. WE'RE NOT USING THOSE ANYWHERE ELSE. THAT'S CORRECT SIR. SO IT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU WOULD BRING TO THE FEES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BONDS, WHATEVER OPTION THAT YOU CHOOSE. AND THEN THOSE WERE REQUIRED BY, BY LAW THEN TO GO INTO THE TAX RATE FOR THE DEBT SERVICE, IT WOULDN'T BE USED FOR ANY OTHER CITY PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I PERSONALLY AM OKAY WITH OPTION 2 OR 3. I DON'T WANT 1 OR 4. DOES ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT WHICH OF THOSE TWO THEY WOULD PREFER? IS EVERYBODY JUST GENERALLY WANTING TO STICK WITH OPTION TWO? I'D LIKE TO STICK WITH OPTION TWO. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH OPTION TWO, MOTION TO PROCEED WITH OPTION TWO. SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR. SECOND BY COUNCILOR TOBIAS. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 0, JUST ONE REAL QUICK. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET COUNCIL ANALYSIS ON WHERE WE ARE BOND WISE AND WHAT WE ARE MAYBE EVEN PROJECTING LATER? BECAUSE THAT WOULD REALLY DETERMINE ON HOW HIGH OF A BOND WE'RE GOING TO CALL. SO MAKING SURE WE GET THAT INFORMATION, WHAT BONDS WE HAVE ISSUED, WHAT'S COMING UP AND MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE GO, IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO BOND FOR A SPORTS FACILITY, WE HAVE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON THE TAXPAYER.

YES, SIR. WE'LL BE GLAD TO BRING THAT FORWARD WHEN WE BRING THE DEFEASANCE ORDINANCE, WE CAN PRESENT ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER SO YOU'LL SEE THAT NOT ONLY THE FEES, BUT KIND OF THE PLAN FOR DEBT GOING FORWARD. SO WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM. DID WE TAKE A VOTE? YEAH OKAY. YEAH. I'M ZONING OUT. SORRY. YEAH. IT'S ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING NOW THOUGH. LET'S SEE. SEEING NUMBERS. ALL RIGHT. NEXT

[3) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on proposed parks and recreation budget with 5 year CIP program for fiscal year 2024-2025.]

UP, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. RECEIVE REPORT HOLDS DISCUSSION PROVIDES STAFF DIRECTION ON PARKS REC CIP FIVE YEAR PROGRAM. MR. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE PARKS REC PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET THIS MORNING AND THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BREAKOUT MAIN FOCUSING ON THE FIRST 1 TO 3 YEARS BASED ON SOME

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OF THE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WE'LL GET INTO THE PARKS AND RECREATION IS BROKEN UP INTO TWO MAJOR SECTIONS. IN THIS ORG CHART, YOU HAVE PARKS MAINTENANCE AND BEAUTIFICATION, WHICH TAKES CARE OF OUR CORRIDORS RIGHT AWAY, GATEWAYS, AND THEN OF COURSE PARKS MAINTENANCE, WHICH TAKES CARE OF OUR PARKS. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE'VE RECENTLY BEGUN BEGUN TO RESTRUCTURE BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS TO FOCUS MORE ON SPECIFICALLY OUR PARKS MAINTENANCE STANDARDS AND OUR CORRIDOR RIGHT OF WAY GATEWAY STANDARDS. WE'RE TAKING THE FIRST FEW STEPS. THIS IS BASED ON SOME SOME VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT IS TO HAVE UNPARALLELED, GATEWAY GATEWAYS, PARKS, MAINTENANCE AND BEAUTIFICATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO WE'RE STARTING TO DO A RESTRUCTURE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

ON THE OTHER SIDE IS OUR RECREATION DIVISION AND ONE OF THE SOME OF THE FOCUSES WE HAVE ON THIS DIVISION IS TO THEY WORK WITH ALL OF OUR PROGRAM AND EVENT MANAGEMENT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PERFORMANCE METRICS AND SATISFACTION RATINGS ON A LOT OF THE EVENTS THAT THEY'RE DOING. THIS GROUP DOES A GREAT JOB ON FOCUSING ON EVENTS AND PROGRAMING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY WITH THIS. WITH THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, WITH WITH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAPPENING ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD. BUT I WANT TO COMMEND THEM. THEY DO A REALLY GREAT JOB OF RUNNING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EVENTS. AND PROVIDING GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE CITY, BUT TO OUR CITIZENS AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS ON A LOT OF THE EVENTS WE DO, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON FROM THIS GROUP FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR IS TO LOOK AT THOSE EVENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AS IMPACTFUL AS POSSIBLE. SO WE DO A LOT OF EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT WE WANT TO DO WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT OF OUR EVENTS. AND IF WE HAVE ANY GAPS IN THAT, WE'RE MISSING, IF WE HAVE ANY EVENTS THAT WE'RE WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THAT AREN'T DON'T GIVE US A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VALUE. WE REALLY WANT TO START FOCUSING ON THE GREATEST VALUE OF THESE EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE BEING INCLUSIVE TO EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. THIS SLIDE IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION. SO I'LL GO THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT SLOWER AND THEN QUICKER THROUGH THE REST. BUT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A BRAND NEW DIRECTOR COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS MENTIONED THIS EARLIER THAT DIRECT THAT THE INTERVIEWS FOR THAT DIRECTOR ARE HAPPENING NEXT WEEK. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE BIG TASKS FOR THAT DIRECTOR IS TO REALLY TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW. WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN. IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN EIGHT YEARS. WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY. ONE OF THE BIG TASKS FOR THAT DIRECTOR IS TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT OUR PARKS SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. SO RATHER THAN EACH INDIVIDUAL PARK AND AMENITIES THAT ARE IN THEM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF OUR TRAILS, ALL OF OUR PARKS, ALL OF OUR OPEN SPACES, ALL OF OUR FIELDS, ALL OF OUR PLAY, OUR PROGRAMING, OUR EVENTS, THIS WILL BE ALL PART BUILT INTO THE MASTER PLAN. AND HOW THEY ALL CONNECT AND ALSO NEEDS ASSESSMENTS AND COMMUNITY INPUT WILL BE A HUGE PART OF THAT PROCESS. JUST LIKE ANY MASTER PLAN. AND THAT WILL SET THE STAGE FOR LOOKING AT EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING FROM A PARKS PERSPECTIVE SO THAT WHEN WE ARE INCLUDING CIP PROJECTS AND AMENITIES AND ALL THE THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE GAPS ARE WITHIN OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM, OUR ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM. SO NOBODY IS LEFT OUT. AND WE AND IF WE HAVE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT, COUNCIL INPUT, WE KNOW EXACTLY THE RIGHT PLACE TO PUT THEM. AND THEN WHEN WE PUT THEM SOMEWHERE WHERE WE'RE FILLING A NEED THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE, WE ARE PUTTING SOMETHING THAT'S PREMIER AND HIGH LEVEL, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE VERBIAGE IN OUR STRATEGIC IN THAT AS YOU'RE AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE THINGS NEED TO GO, IS THERE CONSIDERATION FOR DEMAND? LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A SPLASH PAD OR A SKATE PARK, IS THE MASTER PLAN GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL DEMAND IS AND MAYBE WHAT THE LONG TERM DEMAND IS? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, I THINK THE LESSON WE'VE KIND OF LEARNED WITH THESE SPLASH PADS IS DON'T BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS MAYBE CONSIDERING CURRENT DEMAND, BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERING FUTURE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF YOUR ANALYSIS. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT WHEN WE PUT THESE ASSETS INTO THESE PARKS, THEY'RE RIGHT SIZED FOR THE DEMAND THAT'S COMING THEIR WAY, PLUS FUTURE DEMAND PLUS FUTURE, MAN. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE STUDY. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER OKAY. WELL, I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU FINISH. BUT SURE AS WE JUST NOW TOOK A VOTE FOR A SPORTS COMPLEX, IS THERE SOMEBODY FROM PARKS HERE? BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO REALLY SEE WHERE WE ARE AT WITH OUR SUMMER CAMPS, THE DEMAND FOR THAT. BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING A PROPOSAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE, COULD WE BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE, WE CAN GET SOME SPECIFIC DATA ON THAT. BUT THERE IS A PORTION IN HERE WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET ABOUT OUR SUMMER CAMPS AND OUR LEAGUE PLAY, THAT THAT IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.