Sep 17, 2024 City Council Regular Meeting

[4) Consider approval of a resolution to reappoint Julia Fishback to Seat 2, Daisy Santos to Seat 4, and Julianne Orgish to Seat 6 of the Parks and Recreation Board for a two-year term expiring September 2026.]

MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM FOUR. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO REAPPOINT JULIA FISHBECK TO SEAT TWO, DAISY SANTOS TO SEAT FOUR AND JULIAN AUGIE AUGUST TO SEAT SIX OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD FOR TWO YEAR TERMS EXPIRING SEPTEMBER 2026. MR. LOPEZ. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR COUNCIL DAVID LOPEZ, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE REAPPOINTMENT OF THREE OF OUR, PARK BOARD MEMBERS. JULIA FISHBECK, DAISY SANTOS, AND JULIAN AUGUST, THESE THREE MEMBERS ARE HIGHLY ACTIVE ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD AND MAKE GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS. THEY'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, AS WELL AS LAUNCHING SEVERAL CAPITAL PROJECTS AND NEW OPERATIONAL STANDARDS, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF THIS EVENING IS TO SUPPORT THE REAPPOINTMENT OF ALL THREE MEMBERS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. LOPEZ. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, I WHEN I WAS ON PARKS BOARD, I WORKED WITH ALL THREE OF THESE PEOPLE, AND I HAVE GOT TO SAY, THEY ARE OUTSTANDING AND COMMITTED TO OUR COMMUNITY AND COMMITTED TO THEIR PURPOSE ON THE PARKS BOARD. I THINK THEY WILL BE EXCELLENT.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THESE TWO FOR SERVING ON THESE AND FOR WANTING TO SERVE AGAIN, AND ALSO TO THE KIDS IN KAYAK FOR SERVING. SO ALL RIGHT. MOTIONS MAYOR. OH, COUNCILOR TOBIAS. SORRY. I'M SORRY. OKAY YEAH, WE WENT THROUGH THE, REAPPOINTMENT PROCESS AND WE GOT TO HEAR I GOT TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT THESE THREE INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE ON THIS BOARD, AGAIN, WE ALSO WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH MISS SANTOS. SHE'S THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, GATHERING FROM HER. SHE'S VERY EXCITED OF MR. LOPEZ COMING ON BOARD. SHE KNOWS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP FOR PARKS, AND ALL THREE OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE VERY EAGER TO BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME COMMENT AND FEEDBACK. SO, AND ALSO KNOWING THAT THEY ALL COME TO THE MEETINGS, THEY ARE VERY FULLY DEDICATED AND COMMITTED TO THEIR SEAT. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS, HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE NOMINATION AS WELL TO, TO KEEP THEM ON BOARD FOR ANOTHER TWO MORE YEARS, BECAUSE I THINK THEIR INPUT IS GOING TO BE VERY VITAL TO, TO OUR, TO OUR PARKS BOARD. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'LL DO A MOTION. MAYOR, I LIKE TO GO AHEAD. OH, I'M SORRY, MISS HARRIS. I'M SORRY. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND PRIVILEGE OF, REAPPOINTING, OUR THREE. DAISY. DAISY SANTOS, JULIA FISCHBACH AND JULIAN AUGUST TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM FOUR. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0 ZERO, 6 TO 0. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS

[5) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the initial assessment of the City's City Council districts from Bickerstaff Heath Delgado Acosta LLP.]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. RECEIVE A REPORT WHOLE DISCUSSION. PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT OF CITY CITIES. CITY OF KYLE CITY DISTRICTS FROM BICKERSTAFF.

HEATH. DELGADO. ACOSTA LLP. MISS ALCORN. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AMY ALCORN, CITY ATTORNEY. FOR THE RECORD, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, YOU GUYS DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK INTO REDISTRICTING, REDRAWING OUR DISTRICT BOUNDARIES FOR OUR THREE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. AND THEN IN JUNE, YOU APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH BICKERSTAFF, HEATH DELGADO, ACOSTA TO PERFORM THAT SERVICE TONIGHT. COLBY CAPUTO WITH BICKERSTAFF IS GOING TO PRESENT HIS INITIAL ASSESSMENT AND TALK YOU THROUGH SOME NEXT STEPS. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT OFF TO COLBY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL I'M COLBY CAPUTO AS I SAID FROM THE BICKERSTAFF FIRM, WE'RE DOING YOUR INITIAL ASSESSMENT, WHICH DOESN'T INVOLVE REDRAWING ANY LINES OR ANYTHING. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT. DO YOU HAVE TO? I WON'T BURY THE LEAD.

YES YOU DO, BUT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE MATERIALS. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF IT KIND OF QUICKLY. I WANTED TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION IN THERE THAN WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.

JUST SO THE PUBLIC, IS SEEING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON

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BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A FAIRLY PUBLIC PROCESS, SO THIS IS CONTROL. LOOK AT THAT. I'VE ALREADY FAILING. OH, WAIT, THERE IT GOES. OKAY SO A LITTLE DELAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S THREE LEGAL STANDARDS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN REDISTRICTING TO START WITH. THE FIRST ONE COMES OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION OUT OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT. AND IT'S THE PRINCIPLE THAT THE COURTS HAVE DEFINED AS ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY THAT THE DISTRICTS NEED TO BE ROUGHLY EQUAL SIZE, THAT'S SORT OF THE FIRST AND PARAMOUNT THING BECAUSE IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARD. THE SECOND ONE IS UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, SECTION TWO. WE CAN'T ADOPT AN ELECTION SYSTEM THAT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST VOTERS BASED ON RACE ETHNICITY, SO WE HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT WE'RE NOT DISCRIMINATING, AND THEN THERE'S A BIT OF A COMPLICATING FACTOR IN THE LAW. THERE'S A CASE FROM THE 90S, SHAW VERSUS RENO, WHERE THE SUPREME COURT BASICALLY SAID YOU SHOULDN'T FOCUS EXCLUSIVELY ON RACE OR ETHNICITY. THAT THAT CREATES POTENTIALLY A 14TH AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEM ON THE OTHER SIDE. BUT LAST TERM, IN THE ALLEN V MILLIGAN CASE AND SEVERAL OTHERS, SEVERAL STATES TRIED TO ARGUE THAT THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TWO, WHICH SAY YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE BASED ON RACE OR ETHNICITY, WHICH TECHNICALLY REQUIRE YOU TO LOOK AT THE RACE OR ETHNICITY OF THE VOTERS, THAT THAT ITSELF WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND THE SUPREME COURT IN ALLEN VERSUS MILLIGAN SAID, NO, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S OKAY TO LOOK AT RACE. IT CAN'T BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS. EVERYTHING CAN'T BE DRIVEN BY GUARANTEEING CERTAIN RACIAL OUTCOMES OR ETHNIC OUTCOMES IN THE ELECTION SYSTEM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LEGALLY LOOK AT. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN AT SOME OTHER CLIENTS. I HAD BACK IN THE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS REDISTRICTING CYCLE IN 21 AND 22, WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE LAW WAS GOING TO END UP ON THAT. AND EVERYBODY, PROCEEDED ALONG THE WAY. WE NORMALLY DO. AND LUCKILY, THE SUPREME COURT BACKED THAT UP. SO THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY PRINCIPLES WE GOT TO FOCUS ON, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. OH THE STANDARD IS DEVIATION CAN'T BE MORE THAN 10%. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES. THAT'S A TOP TO BOTTOM DEVIATION MEANING THE BIGGEST DISTRICT AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICT. THEIR DEVIATIONS FROM THE STANDARD SIZE, THE EQUAL BOUNDARY SIZE CAN'T BE MORE THAN 10%. SO IS THAT, TOTAL POPULATION REGISTERED VOTERS OR IT'S TOTAL POPULATION, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARD OF ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, WHICH IS STRICTLY ON TOTAL POPULATION NUMBERS, THE VOTING RIGHTS ANALYSIS UNDER SECTION TWO IS MORE FOCUSED ON VOTERS AND VOTING POPULATIONS. AND WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT HERE TO GIVE EXAMPLES OF THE DEVIATION. THIS WOULD BE A THEORETICAL DISTRICT CONVENIENTLY WITH 10,000 PEOPLE PER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. THERE'S FOUR OF THEM, AND YOU SEE THAT ONE OF THEM, IS 10% TOO BIG. IT'S 11,000 PEOPLE INSTEAD OF 10,000, WHICH WOULD BE THE IDEAL SIZE. AND THEN ONE OF THEM IS ONLY 8000 PEOPLE. SO IT'S 20% TOO SMALL. THIS WOULD EQUALS OUT TO A 30% TOP TO BOTTOM DEVIATIO, SO WHEN WE GET TO YOUR DATA WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AND DISCUSS THAT. YOU ONLY HAVE THREE DISTRICTS, WHICH MAKES THIS A LITTLE BIT EASIER. OKAY. THE SEVERAL LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE DO. FIRST OF ALL WE NEED TO USE THE CENSUS DATA. I KNOW WE'RE OUT OF CENSUS. YOU KNOW, A WAYS OFF THE CENSUS AT THIS POINT, I KNOW YOU'VE HAD EXPLOSIVE GROWTH HERE, BUT THE COURTS HAVE SAID UNLESS YOU CAN COME UP WITH A SYSTEM THAT IS AS RELIABLE AND I'M PUTTING THAT IN AIR QUOTES AS RELIABLE AS THE CENSUS, YOU MUST USE THE CENSUS DATA. AND AGAIN, WE'RE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON TOTAL POPULATION. BUT WE DO NEED VOTING AGE POPULATION. AND WE NEED RACE AND ETHNICITY DATA, WHICH WE GET THROUGH THE CENSUS THROUGH THIS, THIS, CENSUS FILE PL 94 171 AND USING THE CENSUS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE WENT AND WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THE NUMBERS WERE WRONG AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THAT CORRECTED. SO HOW DOES THAT REALLY SHOW US WHAT OUR TRUE NUMBERS ARE, WHEN WE KNOW OUR NUMBERS ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT THE CENSUS LAST TIME GAVE US? DID THE CENSUS DEPARTMENT CORRECT THE DATA OR UPDATE THE DATA? NO, THEY DIDN'T. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE GETTING THE DATA BROKEN OUT IN A WAY THAT WE NEED IT WHERE WE HAVE RACIAL, RACIAL AND ETHNIC. THE STATISTICAL INFORMATION, SOME CLIENTS WE'VE HAD HAVE USED THINGS LIKE UTILITY CONNECTIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY CONNECTIONS YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A NUMBER THAT YOUR CITY USES FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE PER HOUSE OR UTILITY CONNECTION, AND SO YOU CAN USE THAT DATA. IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO CALCULATE IT ALL, BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY RACE OR ETHNICITY DATA. IT ALSO DOESN'T GIVE US ANY VOTING AGE POPULATION DATA. SO IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO USE IT, AND IF YOU

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WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A CONVERSATION IN CLOSED SESSION TO START WITH ABOUT THE LEGAL RISKS INVOLVED, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BACK OUT IN PUBLIC, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO GO INTO THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU PRIVATELY.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M WHAT WE'RE THINKING, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'RE USING THE CENSUS DATA BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. AND AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF CITIES FELT LIKE AND SEVERAL AS YOU DID ESTABLISH THAT THE CENSUS UNDERCOUNTED. PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY, IN SOME CASES. SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THE ANALYZING YOUR DATA, TO TRY TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THERE'S CLEARLY THERE'S WAY MORE POPULATION HERE JUST FROM GROWTH, BUT THERE WAS MORE POPULATION HERE UNDER THE CENSUS EVEN IN FROM THE 2020 CENSUS. SO SORT OF THE QUESTION WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TO DETERMINE THE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE STANDARD, WE USE TOTAL POPULATION TO LOOK AT THE VOTING RIGHTS ISSUES. WE USE VOTING AGE, POPULATION. SO UNDER SECTION TWO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCRIMINATE ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR LANGUAGE MINORITY STATUS, WHAT WE HAVE TO AVOID ARE TWO DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES. ONE IS CALLED CRACKING AND ONE IS CALLED PACKING, CRACKING IS WHERE YOU TAKE THE MINORITY VOTER DISTRICTS AND YOU JUST DISTRIBUTE THEM OUT INTO ALL THE OTHER POPULATION, AND IT DISPERSES AND MINIMIZES, DILUTES THEIR VOTING CAPABILITY, PACKING IS THE OPPOSITE, WHERE YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT ALL OF THEM INTO ONE DISTRICT, AND THAT WAY THEY CAN'T INFLUENCE ANY OTHER DISTRICTS. THEY JUST GET TO INFLUENCE THE ONE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND WHEN WE DEVELOP PLANS, HOWEVER PROCESS WE END UP USING FOR THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE PRIMARY THINGS WE LOOK AT IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO, OVERPOPULATE THEM AND WE DON'T WANT TO UNDER POPULATE THEM WITH THE MINORITY VOTERS TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE MINORITY VOTERS, WHICH THE DATA SHOWS, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF. OKAY, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE SHAW VERSUS RENO LINE OF CASES ENDING LAST TERM WITH THE SUPREME COURT, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE PRIMARY FACTOR, BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT. WE HAVE TO NARROWLY TAILOR THE PLAN SO THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT ANY MORE THAN WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.

THERE'S A THING THAT COMES OUT OF THIS WHERE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT DISTRICT LOOKS FUNNY, AND THERE ARE THERE ARE SOCIAL SCIENTISTS THAT HAVE TRIED TO COME UP WITH A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS AND A MATHEMATICAL NUMBER THAT SAYS THIS DISTRICT IS TOO BIZARRELY SHAPED TO BE CONSIDERED A COMPACT DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH, AND I HAVEN'T REALLY ENCOUNTERED IT, YOU KNOW, THE CASE LAW THAT'S OUT THERE IS THEY TAKE SOME POPULATION OVER HERE, AND THEN THEY HAVE THEY JUST GO DOWN A ROAD AND THEY COME OVER LIKE ACROSS THE HIGHWAY AND PICK UP SOME POPULATION OVER HERE. THAT'S A BIZARRELY SHAPED DISTRICT, LIKE A DUMBBELL, OR JUST RUNNING ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH FINGERS GOING OUT AND JUST GRABBING POPULATION EVERYWHERE. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THE COURTS HAVE SAID. THAT'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON HERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE, AND THEY WOULD GO DEEPER INTO IT. SO WE TRY TO DRAW THE LINES AS BEST WE CAN, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK IN A MINUTE ABOUT WHAT WE DO WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DRAW. SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT USED TO REQUIRE PRECLEARANCE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THAT NO LONGER APPLIES. THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK THAT DOWN IN 2013. CONGRESS HAS NEVER GOTTEN AROUND TO REAUTHORIZING IT. SO THAT'S NOT A CONCERN. WE FOCUS ON, BUT WE STILL ACTUALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT THE OLD LEGAL STANDARD FOR THAT, THE STANDARD THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USED WAS CALLED, SIR, WHAT ABOUT ODD NUMBERED DISTRICTS? BECAUSE AN ODD NUMBER YOU CAN HAVE IRREGULAR THAT'S MORE HIDDEN THAN AN EVEN NUMBER. SYMMETRICAL DISTRICTS HAS THAT BEEN KIND OF STUDIED? NOT THAT I KNOW OF, BECAUSE THREE FIVE COULD BE VERY IRREGULAR, BUT A46 IS MORE SYMMETRICAL. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. YEAH YEAH. AND I HEARD THE SPEAKER EARLIER ABOUT WANTING TO CHANGE YOUR ELECTION SYSTEM. AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL CAN DISCUSS. I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD NEED A CHARTER ELECTION TO DO THAT. SO, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER, WE DO WE DO NEED TO UNDERSCORE THAT. I WAS WAITING FOR THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY POWER TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF SINGLE MEMBER VERSUS AT LARGE OR TERMS OR ANY OF THAT. THAT'S ALL VERY SPECIFICALLY STATED OUT IN THE CHARTER, WHICH WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION COMING UP SOON. SO IT'LL BE UP TO THEM TO LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WE PROVIDE AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US, SOMETHING THEY CAN EXPLORE. YEAH, FOR SURE IT IS, SO ANYWAY, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS ANY KIND OF RETROGRESSION. SO BASICALLY IF YOU'VE GOT LIKE YOU DO RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE GOT TWO DISTRICTS THAT ARE BASICALLY MAJORITY HISPANIC, IF WE WERE TO REDRAW IT AND YOU CAME UP WITH ONE, SOMEBODY WOULD NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU ONLY HAVE ONE WHEN YOU USED TO HAVE TWO, AND THERE'S, THERE'S LEGITIMATE ARGUMENTS AND POSITIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN ABOUT. WELL, THE POPULATIONS HAVE MOVED AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, THE DATA WOULD SHOW THAT. SO WE STILL USE THIS STANDARD TO SAY, ARE WE CREATING A SECTION TWO PROBLEM FOR OURSELVES BY REDUCING OR LIMITING THE NUMBER OF, OF MINORITY DISTRICTS BELOW WHAT WE

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CURRENTLY HAVE? SO WE TRY NOT TO DO THAT IN GENERAL, THE BENCHMARK IS TO TAKE THE 2020 CENSUS DATA OLD. I KNOW, PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE. I KNOW AND SUPERIMPOSE IT ON YOUR LAST PLAN WHICH UNFORTUNATELY IS FROM 2011. SO WE'RE USING OLD DATA ON AN EVEN OLDER PLAN TO COME UP WITH WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. SO WE'LL TALK IN A MINUTE ABOUT SOME, SOME WAYS TO FACTOR IN SOME STUFF TO ADJUST FOR THAT. SO THE NEXT STEP FOR THE COUNCIL, ONCE WE GET PAST THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT STAGE, WOULD BE FOR US TO COME BACK AND HAVE YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION OR AN ORDINANCE. AGAIN, I'LL GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FIGURE OUT THE PROPER METHOD TO DO THAT. WHERE YOU ADOPT THE LEGAL CRITERIA THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPLIED WHEN WE REDISTRICT. WE GIVE SOME EXAMPLES HERE ON THIS SLIDE. YOU WANT TO USE IDENTIFIABLE BOUNDARIES. YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, POTENTIALLY WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO YOU DON'T WANT LIKE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD SPLIT UP INTO THREE DISTRICTS, DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, IF YOU CAN HELP IT, YOU WANT TO USE WHOLE VOTING PRECINCTS IF YOU CAN. THAT'S A THING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL, BECAUSE THE COUNTY RUNS THE VOTING PRECINCTS. BUT WE DO OVERLAY THE VOTING PRECINCTS ONTO THE MAP AND SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THAT REGARD, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BASE THE PLAN ON THE EXISTING DISTRICTS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH. SO YOU CAN SAY, WELL, WE HAVE THESE DISTRICTS. WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE SOME LINES AROUND AND READJUST. IT'S PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE. THAT'S A CRITERIA THAT YOU CAN CRITERION. YOU CAN ADOPT, AGAIN, THE DISTRICTS HAVE TO BE OF RELATIVELY EQUAL SIZE. THAT'S A LEGAL STANDARD. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY LEEWAY ON THAT ONE. THE DISTRICTS THAT WE DRAW NEED TO BE COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS. AGAIN, WE TRY TO FOCUS ON THAT, AS WE WORK ON IT. ONE FACTOR THAT YOU GUYS CAN CONSIDER AND THINK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT IS WHETHER YOU WANT US TO FOCUS TO SOME DEGREE ON KEEPING THE INCUMBENTS IN THEIR DISTRICTS, THE COURTS HAVE SAID THAT'S PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE.

THAT DISTRICT ELECTED YOU. THAT DISTRICT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO ELECT YOU UNTIL THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, AND SO WE SHOULDN'T MOVE YOU GUYS INTO THE SAME DISTRICT. THAT BEING SAID, I HAD A CLIENT THAT I JUST WORKED WITH EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND LITERALLY TWO OF THEIR MEMBERS LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER, AND IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DRAW THAT TO WHERE THEY DIDN'T END UP IN THE SAME DISTRICT, ALSO, SOMETIMES INCUMBENTS WILL SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M NOT GOING TO RUN AGAIN, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP ME IN MY DISTRICT. YOU CAN PUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD INTO WHATEVER DISTRICT IT NEEDS TO GO INTO. SO THERE'S LEGITIMATE REASONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT DISCUSSION, AND AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY A DISCRETIONARY THING FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT. AND THEN WE NEED TO NARROWLY TAILOR THE PLAN SO THAT WE'RE NOT FOCUSED EXCLUSIVELY ON THE RACE OR ETHNICITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PLAN. SO WE WILL DEVELOP AN APPROPRIATE INSTRUMENT FOR YOU ALL TO ADOPT WITH THIS LIST OF CRITERIA, YOU CAN GO THROUGH IT AND DECIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S NOT WORRY ABOUT INCUMBENTS OR YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT, THE VOTING PRECINCTS. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LEGITIMATELY SOMETHING WITHIN YOUR, YOUR CONTROL. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE NEED TO BUILD A RECORD OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THIS IS A GOOD BEGINNING TO IT. THIS IS IN CASE YOU GET, YOU KNOW, LITIGATION AGAINST YOU. WE WANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY AWARE OF THE STEPS YOU'VE TAKEN. YOU NEED TO BE ADVISED ABOUT WHAT THE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS ARE. WE'RE DOING THAT STARTING TONIGHT. WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. YOU ADOPT CRITERIA THAT REFLECT THESE TRADITIONAL REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES. AND THEN WHEN WE DO DRAW, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THAT AND WE KIND OF EVALUATE PLANS BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA. WE DON'T GET TOO HUNG UP ON ON THINGS OUTSIDE THOSE CRITERIA. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE SAME SORT OF THING. WE DO WANT TO AVOID TRULY BIZARRE DISTRICTS, BIZARRE SOMETIMES IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. SO THE PROCESS IS WE'RE AT THIS FIRST STEP, INITIAL ASSESSMENT, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR YOU TO ADOPT THE CRITERIA AND THE GUIDELINES. THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO DEVELOP ILLUSTRATIVE PLANS AND THAT CAN BE DONE IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. WE CAN GO OFF ME AND MY GIS TECHNICIAN AND JUST COME BACK WITH, HEY, HERE'S A PLAN THAT FITS, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN TELL US ALL THE THINGS WE DID WRONG, LIKE, HEY, YOU SPLIT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THIS INCUMBENT? PUT IT UP AGAINST THAT INCUMBENT, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU YOU MAKE SURE LOOK LIKE. TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS OF THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

THERE'S ONE QUESTION THAT I KNOW EVERYONE HAS ON THEIR MIND, WHICH IS HOW MANY SINGLE MEMBER VERSUS ADDING MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, WHICH WE COULDN'T EVEN CALL THAT UNTIL AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR FOR A NOVEMBER BOND. SO THIS IS A REDRAWING, I GUESS WE COULD CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION. I GUESS YOU COULD CALL AN ELECTION. WE COULD DO A LOT, BUT I MEAN, MOST LIKELY THE NATURAL COURSE WOULD BE CONVENE THE A YEAR FROM NOW, 2025. THEY MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON CHARTER AMENDMENTS. WE TAKE THAT TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER. THEN THE VOTERS GIVE US OUR ANSWER.

THEN WE HAVE TO REDRAW THE LINES. YES. SO IF WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, THEY'RE A LITTLE OUT OF BALANCE, WE NEED TO REDRAW THE LINES. FOLLOWING THIS, THE QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO DO ALL OF THAT WORK AND REDRAW THE TWO, FOUR AND SIX DISTRICTS FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS, WHICH WE NEED TO BE

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DOING ONLY TO THEN AT THE SAME TIME BE GOING TO THE VOTERS TO CHANGE IT, WHICH MEANS WE'LL HAVE TO RIP ALL THE WORK UP AND START IT OVER. SO IS THAT RIGHT? AMY AM I AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT IN TERMS OF THE TWO DIFFERENT PATHS? RIGHT. SO UNDER OUR CHARTER, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION EVERY FIVE YEARS. THAT IS THIS COMING YEAR. CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO HAVE SIX MONTHS TO DO THEIR WORK. SO LOGICALLY, WE ARE NOT LIKELY TO GET A CHARTER AMENDMENT UP BEFORE THE VOTERS BEFORE NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. OKAY SO IF WE GIVE IF WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IS THERE, DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF REDRAWING THE TWO, FOUR, SIX LINES? NOW OR DO WE WANT TO WAIT AND GO AHEAD AND KICK OFF THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS? LET THEM MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT THEY THINK, AND THEN WE DECIDE WHAT WE THINK. THEN TAKE IT TO THE VOTERS, THEN GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. ONE YEAR IS, ARE WE AFOUL OF THE LAW BY HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE CHARTER? I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THE NEXT ELECTION IN WHICH WE WILL HAVE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS UP FOR ELECTION IS IN 2026. SO WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO DO IT. INTERESTING.

OKAY. 25 IS OUR AT LARGE, 25 IS OUR AT LARGE. OH INTERESTING OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE WAS THAT IF YOUR SYSTEM IS OUT OF BALANCE, YOU YOU DO NEED TO FIX IT BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION AT WHICH ANY OF THOSE DISTRICTS APPEAR. BUT IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP UNTIL 26, POTENTIALLY, YOU'VE GOT TIME TO GET ALL THAT DONE. AND ALSO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. MAYOR, THE POPULATION ITSELF COULD BE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW AND TWO YEARS FROM NOW. WELL, AND IS THERE IS THERE NO WAY FOR US TO USE UPDATED NUMBERS OUTSIDE OF 2020, EVEN IF WE HAVE SOME TIME TO PUT TOGETHER OUR OWN PROCESS, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE.

AGAIN, THE DIFFICULTY IS GETTING IT AT THE BLOCK LEVEL AND THE DIFFICULTY IS GETTING IT WITH RACE AND ETHNIC AND AGE COMPONENTS, WHICH WE NEED TO DO FOR PLAN DRAWING PURPOSES, BUT YOU KNOW, THE CENSUS DOES. THEY'RE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, UPDATES EVERY YEAR UNTIL THE NEXT REAL CENSUS, I THINK. BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN REALLY INACCURATE. THEY'RE NOT.

POPULATION HAS CHANGED MORE DRAMATICALLY FROM 2020 TO 2025 THAN FROM 2020 BACK TO 2010.

YEAH, I THINK SO. IT'S LIKE IT'S ALMOST LIKE A WHOLE CENSUS WORTH OF POPULATION CHANGE IN THE FIVE YEARS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE GROWTH PATTERNS ARE MASSIVE IN SOME AREAS AND VERY SLIGHT IN SOME OTHER AREAS. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO, AND I'VE SEEN THIS DONE IN OTHER CITIES, IS WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GROW AND SO WE CAN ADJUST THE DISTRICTS BASED ON KNOWING, HEY, THIS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE KNOW LENNAR IS BUILDING 500 HOUSES HERE, SO WE CAN KNOW WHEN WE'RE BALANCING OUR DISTRICTS. MAYBE THAT ONE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT ON THE LOW END BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GET BIGGER, AND THE OTHER ONE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT ON THE HIGH END, BECAUSE IT'S NOT. YEAH, THAT'S THE NORMAL WAY WE TRY TO ACCOUNT FOR GROWTH. SINCE THE CENSUS OR PROJECTED FUTURE GROWTH IS GET WITH YOUR PLANNING STAFF, FIGURE OUT WHERE THE GROWTH HAS OCCURRED, FIGURE OUT WHERE THE GROWTH IS GOING TO COME, AND WE UNDER-POPULATED OR OVERPOPULATED DISTRICTS BASED ON THAT. IF WE KNOW THIS AREA IS NOT GOING TO GROW, WE CAN OVERPOPULATE THAT DISTRICT WITHIN THE 10% DEVIATION. AND IF WE KNOW THERE'S AREAS THAT HAVE GROWN MASSIVELY AND ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW, WE CAN UNDER POPULATE THOSE IN ORDER TO WE STILL GOT TO GET THE 10% STANDARD IN THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE SEVERAL THOUSAND DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM BASED ON THE OLD DATA, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THA, MAYOR, I THINK YOU'RE USING THIS PLAN ASSESSMENT. THIS GUY CAN GET US THE NUMBERS THAT WE NEED FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY COULD FIGURE OUT ON THEIR OWN. RIGHT. SO THEY THEY WOULD STILL BE A PROCESS WHERE THEY STILL HAVE TO FIND THE NUMBERS SOMEWHERE AND DO IT ACCORDING TO THE LAW. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE IF THE CHARTER REVIEW IS JUST GOING TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, SHOULD YOU CHANGE THE ELECTION SYSTEM OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ELECTION SYSTEM AND ADOPT THIS ONE? YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE A PLAN DRAWN FROM IT. AND I DON'T KNOW, I THINK OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THE CHARTER TO STICK WITH THE NUMBER OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS VERSUS AT LARGE DISTRICTS. AND FOR A SPECIALIST SUCH AS COBB OR SOMEONE ELSE WHO DOES THESE REDISTRICTING ALL THE TIME TO COME IN AND GIVE US ADVICE ON HOW TO DRAW THE DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF THE CHARTER LAYS OUT THE DISTRICTS, THEN WE HAVE TO AMEND IT EVERY TIME WE GROW. WELL, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT PLAN, BUT I THINK THAT THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT SOME OF YOU ALL ARE WANTING. SO IF YOU ALL IF YOU'RE EYEING WE WANT TO CHANGE CHANGE OUR ELECTION SYSTEM. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR AS TO A VARIETY OF GROUPS AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS PROCESS OR NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUST HOLD BACK ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WAIT FOR THE TIME TO MAKE THAT VOTE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THAT'S REALLY ALL I'M SAYING. YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO CHANGE TO ALL SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND GET RID OF THE AT LARGE DISTRICTS? IF WE IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, THE PATH TO GO, IT'S A DIFFERENT PATH THAN WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE. OR IF WE WANT TO HAVE MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND A COUPLE OF AT LARGE STILL CHANGING, CHANGING THE ELECTION PROCESS OR OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT ESSENTIALLY REQUIRES GOING TO THE VOTERS. AND THERE'S SIX MONTHS OF CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN CALLING, WAITING. THEN WE HAVE TO REDRAW THE LINES. WE

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CAN'T DRAW THE LINES. NOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE DISTRICTS. I MEAN, YOU COULD IF YOU WANTED TO SPEND THE MONEY, YOU COULD DRAW LINES JUST TO SHOW WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE PLAN THAT'S IN EFFECT. RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S JUST HARD TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS RIGHT NOW IF WE DON'T HAVE UPDATED DATA. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE HAVE GROWN SO MUCH FROM 2020 TO NOW, AND THAT WOULD MAKE A REALLY BIG IMPACT ON HOW YOU JUST DRAW THE LINES. YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF MY POINT ABOUT THE POPULATION GROWTH TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS, WE GOT TO LOOK INTO WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, WHAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AND THEN IF WE WERE TO GO WITH SINGLE DISTRICTS, OKAY, DIVIDING IT UP THREE AND THREE, EAST, WEST, OR HOWEVER WE DO IT NORTH SOUTH, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE CITY ITSELF. YEAH. FOR SURE. I'VE REDISTRICTED CITY OF GEORGETOWN THE LAST TWO TIMES AROUND AND LIKE YOU GUYS THEY SAY STRADDLE I-35 AND SO THEY MADE A STRONG EFFORT LAST TIME IN 2010 TO USE THE HIGHWAY AS MORE OF A DEMARCATION POINT AND HAVE DISTRICTS ON ONE SIDE AND ON THE OTHER. THIS LAST TIME IN 2020, THEY DECIDED THAT THAT WASN'T AS IMPORTANT A REQUIREMENT ANYMORE. AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF DISTRICTS THAT DO SORT OF STRADDLE THE HIGHWAY. SO, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT KIND OF CONCEPT AS WELL. AND THERE'S AGAIN, SORT OF DISCUSSIONS EITHER WAY. THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY DEFER TO Y'ALL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE POLITICS OF THE AREA, YOU KNOW, THE VOTERS. I'M JUST A GUY FROM AUSTIN. YEAH WELL, THE WAY THE DISTRICTS WERE DRAWN BY THE FORMER COMMISSION, FORMER GROUPS THAT PUT THE CURRENT PLAN IN PLACE, THEIR EAST WEST RHETORIC WAS INVERTED FROM OURS. AND THESE WERE EAST FOLKS AS WELL. BUT THEY DID NOT WANT TO HAVE DISTRICTS THAT WERE JUST REPRESENTED ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, WHICH IS WHY DISTRICT SIX GOES IN TOWARDS THE SILVERADO SPRING BRANCH AREA.

ALMOST YOU KNOW, AND WHICH IS WHY DISTRICT TWO IS THE THAT WAS ALL DONE INTENTIONALLY. SO YEAH, IT'D BE I THINK IT'D BE WORTH OUR WHILE TO HEAR BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS STILL LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. WHY THEY DID IT THAT WAY. BUT IF YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN, BUT IT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO SPEND THAT TIME THINKING ABOUT IF WE WANT MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, OR IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT. AND I THINK THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS OF THIS WAS BECAUSE THEY WANTED THEY LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING FOUR PEOPLE. THEY COULD REACH OUT TO THAT REPRESENT THE DISTRICTS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE THREE AT LARGE AND THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. SO ELIMINATING THAT, YOU NOW ONLY HAVE ONE, PERSON REPRESENTING YOU. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE EARLY CONVERSATIONS WERE. I KNOW I TALKED TO A PAST COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT THIS, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS. HAVING FOUR PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THEM, NOT JUST ONE. SO THERE'S TRADE OFFS. IT'S A GOOD IT'S A IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION. THERE'S TRADE OFFS BOTH WAYS. RIGHT NOW EVERYONE IN THE CITY CAN VOTE FOR FIVE PEOPLE, WHICH IS A SUPER MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD. YOU GET FOUR AT LARGE PLUS ONE THAT REPRESENTS YOUR AREA. IF YOU IF WE ADD MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, THEN EACH PERSON GETS TO VOTE FOR LESS FOLKS. AND SO WHAT? WHICH WAY DO YOU DO? YOU WANT TO SAY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE GET TO HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE VOICE OR NOT, AND THERE'S DEBATES AND ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT DISCUSSION. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A THOUGHT. I HAVE LOVED THE WAY THE FOUNDERS SET THIS ALL UP IN THE CHARTER IN PARTICULAR. SO MUCH THOUGHT ABOUT THE DISTRICTS TWO, FOUR AND SIX. AND WHEN THEIR ELECTIONS ARE AND ONE, THREE AND FIVE AND HOW THAT COINCIDES WITH THE MAYOR. IT'S LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF INTENTIONALITY BEHIND IT. THE THREE YEAR TERMS, WHICH I'VE WATCHED TWO YEAR TERMS AND FOUR YEAR TERMS ALL AROUND, AND THEY ALL WISH THEY HAD THREE YEAR TERMS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO STAY ON, YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ONE YEAR AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN AN ELECTION WHERE NO ONE IS THERE IN A DIFFERENT TIME. AND SO IT CREATES THAT, THAT SORT OF CHURN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S DIVERSITY. I'VE ALSO WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED, THERE WERE FIVE OF US THAT WERE ON THE THAT LIVED ON THE EAST SIDE, FIVE OUT OF SEVEN AND 2016 LIVED EAST OF I-35. AND YOU THINK, WELL, THAT'S GOOD, BUT IT WAS A MAJORITY WHITE BOARD AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WERE FIVE MEMBERS THAT WERE THAT WERE CAUCASIAN AND SO THERE'S PLENTY YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND I THINK YOU CAN ARGUE FOR OR AGAINST IT IN ANY PARTICULAR WAY. SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE FOLKS LIVING ON THE WEST, BUT MUCH MORE LITERALLY OUR THREE AT LARGE OR TWO HISPANIC AND ONE WHITE. AND OUR THREE SINGLE MEMBERS ARE TWO HISPANIC OR TWO WHITE AND OR TWO HISPANIC AND ONE WHITE. SO IT'S WHICH IS JUST THE WAY THE THREE DISTRICTS SHAPE UP WHERE YOU HAVE TWO DISTRICTS THAT ARE MAJORITY HISPANIC AND ONE THAT'S. SO I FEEL LIKE THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE WORKS. AND SO I'M AFRAID TO BREAK IT. BUT I WAS TELLING COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS SOMETIME WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I WANT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING AND NOW I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING. SO MAYBE I'M NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO MAKE THE CALL, BUT THAT'S JUST THE FEEDBACK. I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF

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PLUSES AND MINUSES. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT LIKE AT LARGE MEMBERS, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT SPECIFIC DISTRICT. AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF VOTES THAT ARE PLAYED WHERE, YOU KNOW, I COULD SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M NOT IN I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE MINORITY VOTE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXCUSES. SO SOMETIMES IF THERE'S MORE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THAT DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT MEMBER THAT HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE, THAT'S LIVING ON THAT SIDE OF THE PHYSICAL BARRIER. AND SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE WERE NOT LOOKED AT, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF MAGNITUDE EFFECT.

BUT NOW THAT WE'RE GROWING AND, WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING EVERYWHERE, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SEE WHERE WHERE WOULD THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS? BUT I WANT THEM TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION FROM THIS PROCESS BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT ALL THESE MEMBER DISTRICTS, WE COULD END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE ALL BIZARRE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DIRECTED. AND I THINK THIS GIVES US GOOD DIRECTION AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE CONGRUENCY AND THE DENSITY AND THE COMPACTNESS AND STUFF. SO I LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT FEELS SAFE. AND THEN WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, THEY COULD COME BACK WITH, HEY, I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD EXPLORE THIS OR KEEP IT, KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. WE HAVE LIKE TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE HAVE TO CALL THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE TIMELINE. WE HAVE TO CALL THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT'S TIME TO UPDATE A BUNCH OF ORDINANCES. AND, THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WITH FINANCIAL STUFF, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO TAKE TIME. SO I'M ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WASTING OUR TIME AND THEY'RE NOT GOING. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT BROUGHT THIS UP INITIALLY WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT THE 10% THRESHOLD IS OUT OF BALANCE, RIGHT? SO THAT THERE IS A VERY LEGITIMATE PURPOSE TO WHAT THIS PROCESS HAS FOR US. BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO BOTH THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT. BUT I WAS JUST MORE OF THE OPINION THAT A FOUR THREE SYSTEM WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT. I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING GET RID OF ALL A43. SO YOU HAVE SOME PERSON IN EVERY QUADRANT THAT THAT'S WORTH CONSIDERING. YOU'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THE LARGEST. EVERYBODY STILL HAS MORE REPRESENTATIVES, BUT NOW WE MAKE SURE EVERY DISTRICT HAS SOME TIME ON THE DICE. BUT THEN TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE I'M NOT LIKE OPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEN IT MAKES ME WONDER IF YOU GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU WILL BE AND THERE IS A MENTION THAT CRACKING OR FRACTURING SITUATIO, SO HAVING A42, WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THE DIVISION OF THE LINES IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT. BUT IT'S VERY SYMMETRICAL NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN DO BUT YOU MAY. SO YOU MAY HAVE SYMMETRY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACREAGE. NOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT POPULATION AND THEN ARE YOU CRACKING OR FRACTURING. THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE THIS STUDY TO CONTINUE SO THAT WE AVOID THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO HOW DO WE GET TO HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION REGARDING ETHNICITY OR POPULATION DENSITY IN ORDER TO MAKE IT AT LEAST TO GIVE TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE? SOME UPDATED SO THEY CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS? THERE ARE WAYS TO ESTIMATE THAT ARE USEFUL FOR SORT OF THEORETICAL PURPOSES, BUT MAYBE NOT IDEAL FOR ACTUALLY ADOPTING A PLAN BECAUSE IT PUTS YOU AT MORE RISK THAT WAY, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT WITH YOUR STAFF AND WITH MY GIS AND DEMOGRAPHY DEMOGRAPHIC FOLKS, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE WE'VE DONE IT WHERE WE'VE GONE IN AND USED UTILITY CONNECTIONS AND GOTTEN DATA OUT OF IT, IT'S JUST THERE'S SOME LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED WITH ALL THAT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. THERE'S WAYS TO LOOK AT HOUSING STARTS SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, PLATTING, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR DEVELOPMENTAL DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENTAL DEPARTMENT HAS THAT INFORMATION. SO I JUMPED AHEAD TO THE CHART JUST TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE OUT OF BALANCE USING THE CENSUS DATA. YOU'RE PROBABLY 15,000 PEOPLE BIGGER THAN THIS NOW, BUT AND WHERE THAT POPULATION HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED IS NOT KNOWN TO THE CENSUS. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S WAYS TO PROBABLY GETTING CLOSE TO 20,000 PEOPLE. IT'S LIKE A WHOLE HALF OF THE CITY ADDED BACK INTO THE. YEAH, YEAH. I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL IN CEDAR PARK IN THE 90S AND WE WERE DOUBLING EVERY TEN YEARS BASICALLY. SO IT'S AN INTERESTING TIME TO LIVE. I'LL SAY THAT. SO WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, DISTRICT TWO, IS OVERPOPULATED UNDER THE CENSUS BY, ALMOST 1900 PEOPLE, DISTRICT FOUR IS UNDERPOPULATED BY ALMOST 1500 PEOPLE, OR A LITTLE OVER 1500 PEOPLE. AND THEN DISTRICT

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SIX IS ALMOST EXACTLY PERFECT. SO YOU IT'S INTERESTING THAT UNDER THE CENSUS DATA AT LEAST DISTRICT SIX SORT OF EITHER GREW SYMMETRICALLY OR THE OTHER TWO GREW SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, SO DISTRICT TWO IS THE BIGGEST DISTRICT. DISTRICT FOUR IS THE SMALLEST DISTRICT, AND YOU END UP WITH A 21 AND CHANGE PERCENT DEVIATION, WHICH IS BEYOND WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS. SO BEFORE YOU HOLD ANOTHER ELECTION USING THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, YOU WOULD WANT TO CORRECT THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE SUM TOTAL OF THE DISCUSSION, YOU DO HAVE TWO MAJORITY TOTAL POPULATION MAJORITY HISPANIC DISTRICTS UNDER THE CENSUS DATA. THIS CHART SHOWS THE VOTING AGE POPULATION. AND YOU DO HAVE ONE DISTRICT THAT IS VOTING AGE POPULATION HISPANIC. AND ANOTHER ONE THAT BASICALLY IS IT'S 49 AND CHANGE. SO IT'S BASICALLY, A MINORITY HISPANIC DISTRICT AS WELL, OR A MAJORITY HISPANIC DISTRICT, SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE KNOW. WE HAVE SOME DATA IN HERE THAT I INCLUDED. JUST BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING, THIS IS A THEMATIC MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE THE CONCENTRATIONS ARE OF HISPANIC POPULATION UNDER THE CENSUS DATA. SO YOU CAN KIND OF YOU ALL CAN JUDGE THIS AGAINST WHAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW, BECAUSE YOU MAY GO, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S TOTALLY WRONG. NOW, WHICH IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. AND THEN THIS JUST SHOWS WHERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION WOULD BE. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IT TO MAKE A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. SO NOT AS ESSENTIAL TO ANALYZE THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE KIND OF THE REPORT YOU DO NEED TO REDISTRICT. YOU HAVE SOME INTERESTING OPPORTUNITIES, GIVEN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS SYSTEM COMING UP AGAIN UNTIL 26. SO I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO ON THAT FRONT. WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP YOU IN ANY WAY WE CAN ON ANY OF THAT PROCESS. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? WELL JUST JUST TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPTION. I MEAN, ONE IS YOU WOULD JUST SIMPLY WAIT IF YOU WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING ON A CHARTER ELECTION TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO DO, AND THEN WE COULD REDISTRICT AT THAT TIME. OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT US TO WORK WITH, WITH BICKERSTAFF TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW FOR THE THREE DISTRICTS. AND THEN IF YOU DID DECIDE THE COMMUNITY DID DECIDE TO GO TO A DIFFERENT MODEL, THEN WE COULD UPDATE THAT DATA AND GO TO THE FOUR DISTRICT MODEL. IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY DECIDED TO DO. SO I THINK THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO IT, I'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH SIDES OF THAT ARGUMENT UP HERE. SO IT'S WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION OF HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED. WHEN I SEE THE POCKETS ON THE MAPS, ARE THOSE JUST UNDEVELOPED LAND AREAS? THOSE ARE THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CITY ACCORDING TO THE THERE. YEAH. ONE OF ONE I THINK ONE OF THEM YOU MAY BE ANNEXING OR YOU HAVE ANNEXED, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS ANALYSIS, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT. BUT IF WE WERE TO DO PLAN DRAWING, WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT ANNEXED AREA AS WELL. AND THE CENSUS DATA ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

BUT YEAH, YOU HAVE SEVERAL WHAT, WHAT WE CALL WINDOW PANES. SO THEY'RE NOT OUR VOTERS. THEY CAN THEY DON'T VOTE IN OUR ELECTIONS. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. WHERE THERE'S HOLES LIKE THAT AND LIKE A LOT OF SUBURBAN CITIES, YOU'RE YOU GROW IN A FAIRLY IRREGULAR PATTERN. RIGHT THE POPULATION. WHICH, WHICH WAY DO Y'ALL WANT TO GO? I MEAN, I WOULD, I KNOW WE'RE NOT MAKING THE DECISION, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH SOMETHING, COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA SAID. AND THE 421 MODEL. AND GOING, BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH THE DATA AND MAKING SURE THAT NEXT YEAR, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS ACCURATE DATA AND STAFF HAS BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON GROWTH PROJECTIONS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO STICK WHEN WE WHEN WE DO IT AND IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, OUTLIVE SOME OF US LIVING HERE IN THIS CITY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT OUR SHOT HERE AND DO THIS, THAT WE HAVE, THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

AND WHAT I MEAN, WE I MEAN, THE, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, JUST JUST ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS IF DISTRICT FOUR IS UNDERPOPULATED AND DISTRICT TWO IS OVERPOPULATED, DISTRICT TWO HAS TO SHRINK. DISTRICT FOUR HAS TO INCREASE. WHICH IF WE DON'T CHANGE THE LINES TOO MUCH, ALL BUT GUARANTEES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TWO OF THE THREE SINGLE MEMBERS BE ELECTED FROM THE EAST SIDE. SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO FOUR, THAT DOESN'T AND YOU'VE GOT WHERE

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YOU'VE GOT TWO WEST SIDE VERSUS TWO EAST SIDE, YOU'RE NOT MAKING AN IMPACT ON THE DYNAMICS OF EAST WEST. EVERYTHING ELSE IS AT LARGE CITYWIDE. SO I THINK THE NATURAL PROCESS WE'RE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH, UNLESS WE GET RADICAL WITH THE WAY THAT WE'RE APPROACHING THIS, IS GOING TO BRING ABOUT A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT TWO OF THE THREE SINGLE MEMBERS ARE EAST EAST OF I-35, OR AT LEAST EAST. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE LINES MAYBE HOWEVER YOU THERE'S NO AND MICHAEL ONLY HAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, TOBIAS ONLY HAS A SECTION OF RESIDENTIAL. MOST OF WHAT HE HAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT DISTRICT IS COMMERCIAL. AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE COMMERCIAL FOR A WHILE. SO BUT IT STILL DEPENDS ON THE TURNOUT, VOTER TURNOUT, AND IT WOULD MAKE THE RACES MORE COMPETITIVE. I THINK THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE RIGHT NOW. THE LARGEST ARE NOT COMPETITIVE. MIGUEL. THE ONE THING THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT ALL DAY IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING FOR THE DISTRICTS, THAT WOULD BE CHOPPED UP TO ADD IN A THIRD DISTRICT LIKE THAT, I WANT TO KNOW, LIKE AND THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING, BUT THAT'S CONCERNING. WELL, SO JUST AS A GENERAL THOUGHT AS TO WHY IN THE LAST THREE ELECTIONS, I BELIEVE DISTRICTS TWO AND SIX HAVE HAD A TOTAL OF LIKE FOUR CANDIDATES, AND TWO OF THEM HAVE BEEN UNOPPOSED, WHEREAS YOU'VE HAD TEN TOTAL CANDIDATES RUN FOR THE IN THE LAST TWO DISTRICT FOUR ELECTIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE AT LARGE SEATS ARE THE AT LARGE SEATS. BUT SO THE CITY OF BUDA RECENTLY CHANGED UP THERE AND THEY ADDED SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, AND THEY'VE HAD TO CANCEL THEIR LAST TWO ELECTIONS BECAUSE THE, THE PLACES WHERE THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO COME FROM HERE, THERE JUST WASN'T MUCH INTEREST IN PARTICIPATION IN THE GOVERNMENT AT THAT POINT. AND SO I FOUND THAT THE AT LARGE SEATS JUST HISTORICALLY HAVE HAD LIKE A 3 TO 1 COMPETITIVE, COMPETITIVE RACE COMPARED TO THE SINGLE MEMBERS. AND IF THE GOAL IS EAST WEST, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE MORE THAN TWO MEMBERS. EVEN IF YOU GO TO FOUR DISTRICTS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE MORE THAN TWO, WHICH THE DATA, BECAUSE OF DISTRICT FOUR BEING SMALLER AND DISTRICT TWO BEING LARGER. POPULATION WISE. DISTRICT FOUR HAS TO GROW. DISTRICT TWO HAS TO SHRINK.

WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WITH THE CURRENT PROGRAM WE HAVE IN PLACE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE OUR REPRESENTATION MUCH. IF WE WENT TO SIX BOY, THAT WOULD CHANGE I.

BUT THAT JUST MEANS THAT YOU IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF KYLE, YOU GET TO VOTE FOR TWO PEOPLE, THE MAYOR AND YOUR YOUR REP. SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW THAT NECESSARILY. DO YOU WANT TO GO TO SIX ALL SINGLE MEMBERS? I WANT TO CHANGE NOTHING. I THINK THE SYSTEM IS I CAN'T THINK OF A CHANGE THAT IMPROVES IT. I CAN ONLY THINK OF CHANGES THAT MAKE IT WORSE OR MAKE IT. IT'S JUST POLITICS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE TALK AND THE RHETORIC. BUT WE, WE WE'VE HAD A, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT IT'S CURRENTLY SET UP AND THE FACT THAT DISTRICT FOUR HAS TO GROW IN SIZE AND DISTRICT TWO HAS TO SHRINK VIRTUALLY GUARANTEES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO EASTERN MEMBER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS FROM THE EAST SIDE. I MEAN, AM I AM I WRONG? IT DOESN'T THAT SEEM LIKE THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO GO? AND BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO PUT THESE GUYS TO WORK, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. I WANT THEM TO GET US THAT DATA AND SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH A TRANSPARENT AND ROBUST PROCESS TO GET THOSE NUMBERS EQUAL. SO OUR DISTRICTS HAVE EQUAL REPRESENTATION, THOSE SINGLE MEMBERS. BUT IF WE JUST WANT TO CHANGE IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO WAIT AND GO THROUGH A CHARTER PROCESS AND THEN SUBMIT A QUESTION TO THE VOTERS NEXT NOVEMBER WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THAT OR NOT. BUT DOES IT CONCERN YOU THAT RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS REALLY FROM THE EAST SIDE? SO I'VE LIVED EAST OF KYLE. I'VE LIVED EAST OF I-35. IF I GO NEXT YEAR, YOU GOT ALL YOU GOT SIX. WELL, I THINK I ALREADY MADE THE POINT THAT WHEN I STARTED UNDER THIS SYSTEM IN A BAD WAY, I'M JUST BEING REALISTIC. MIGUEL, THOUGH, IS IT ABOUT. IS IT ABOUT EQUAL REPRESENTATION? EAST VERSUS WEST, OR IS IT ABOUT HAVING DIVERSITY AND FAIRNESS? WHICH IS IT BECAUSE LIKE THOSE THINGS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A REAL BARRIER. SO IF YOU HAD FOUR, I THINK THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AS OUR CITY IS GROWING. BUT SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. SO HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON GUYS. I HAVEN'T GONE YET. HANG ON. LET'S LET'S LET'S GO. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON. SO HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN YOU BRING IT UP TO FOUR YOU HAVE TWO ON THE WEST, TWO ON THE EAST. AND YOU STILL HAVE THE THREE AT LARGE. SO YOU'RE STILL IN THE SAME CONUNDRUM YOU HAVE. YOU STILL HAVE THE FOUR FROM THE WEST SIDE, BUT YOU'RE BUT WITH

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THAT MENTALITY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE AT LARGE SEATS, NO MATTER WHAT, ARE GOING TO BE WEST SIDE CITIZENS, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOSE THREE WOULD BE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE IF YOU BREAK IT UP TO THE FOUR THREE, WELL, FOUR, FOUR, TWO, ONE, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FOUR HERE AND THEN TWO AT LARGE. SO YOU STILL HAVE THE TWO ON THE WEST, TWO ON THE EAST AND THEN THE TWO AT LARGE. YOU'RE SAYING ARE STILL GOING TO BE WEST SIDE REPRESENTATION. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET MORE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR THOSE AT LARGE SEATS FROM THE EAST SIDE. BUT I'M JUST TRYING. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR EITHER ONE. I'M JUST WHAT I'M DOING. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IF WE HAD FOUR, YEAH, THEN THERE'S REPRESENTATION FOR EVERY DISTRICT IS GOING TO HAVE TO OCCUR, BUT YOU'RE STILL PUTTING TWO ON THE WEST AND TWO ON THE EAST WITH YOUR FOUR, TWO, ONE. WELL CAN I WEIGH IN ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DRAW TWO WEST SIDE DISTRICTS. THEY'D BE UNDERPOPULATED AND NOT WITHIN THE 10% DEVIATION. YES OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW THEN. YEAH. OKAY I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. I KNOW, I'M JUST BUT LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT FOUR IS ALREADY UNDER POPULATED, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN DIVIDE FOUR UP. WELL, I FIGURED THEY WOULD BREAK THEM ALL UP AND THEN TRY TO DO A FOUR QUADRANT MAP OUT OF IT. SO YOU'D HAVE TO BREAK IT ALL UP. YOU I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO DO A COMPLETE REHAUL OF THE ALL THE MAPS, BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T BE. IT WOULDN'T BE WHAT MIGUEL WANTS, WHICH IS TO EAST TO WEST, BECAUSE HAVING TWO EAST TO WEST ARE WHAT HE'S SAYING IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH POPULATED AREAS LEAVING PEOPLE THAT ARE RESIDING IN ONE OF THE QUADRANTS WON'T BE ENOUGH. SO THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN 10% DISPARITY ON THOSE ON THOSE DISTRICTS. SO IT WOULDN'T BE A MATTER OF EAST AND WEST BECAUSE IMAGINE IF YOU WERE TO DRAW A QUADRANT RIGHT THERE, THEN THE AREA THAT IT'S IN FRONT OF DISTRICT SIX. ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT IS WHERE I LIVE, WON'T HAVE MANY RESIDENTS AND THEN SHIFT OVER LIKE PIECES, LIKE A LITTLE PUZZLE. BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T BE EAST AND WEST THING, THOUGH. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'D END UP WITH IS ONE OR MAYBE BOTH DISTRICTS ON THE WEST SIDE WOULD HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE EAST SIDE TO GET THE POPULATION MOVING. SO IT WOULD SHIFT LIKE THAT. MAYBE SO THEN, BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T BE EAST AND WEST THING. IT WOULD BE A MATTER. THIS WOULD BE A MATTER OF POPULATION. IT'S NOT ABOUT EAST WEST, IT'S ABOUT REPRESENTATION. YOU MADE THE COMMENT TWO IN THE EAST AND TWO IN THE WEST. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT. NO, THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS EAST STUFF AND WEST STUFF. SO I WAS SAYING FOUR QUADRANTS AND YOU MOVE IT TO GET THE POPULATION BALANCED OUT IN EVERY QUADRANT. SO WHO CARES IF IT CROSSES OVER? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. I CARE ABOUT FOUR QUADRANTS SO THAT THERE'S THREE AT LARGE. AND YOU DON'T ELIMINATE ONE OF THE DISTRICTS FROM THE FROM THE. SO I'M CONFUSED NOW BECAUSE A FEW MINUTES AGO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EAST SIDE AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ONLY TWO PEOPLE LIVING ON THE EAST SIDE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. HELP, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'LL DO IT. OKAY? IT'S A VERY SIMPLE MAP. THE MAP IS. AND THIS IS REALLY FOR THE CHARTER TO DISCUSS A REVIEW COMMITTEE. BUT WITH THE DATA THAT THIS GENTLEMAN PROVIDES TO COME UP WITH FOUR DISTRICTS THAT WORK AND BALANCE THE POPULATION, BALANCE THE RACE, BALANCE IT ALL. SO THAT THERE'S FOUR DISTRICTS IN THE CITY AND WOULD THIS NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S CROSSOVER? BECAUSE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ONLY HAVING TWO PEOPLE FROM THE EAST SIDE REPRESENTING. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING. THAT'S WHY I GOT CONFUSED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THE WHOLE CITY IS REPRESENTED. THE WHOLE CITY, THE CORNERS, THE CORNERS, THE CORNER, THE CORNER. YOU KNOW, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE ARE NOT WE'RE NOT LIKE A CIRCLE.

RIGHT? IF WE WERE, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DIVIDE IT IN A QUADRANT AND HAVE EQUAL REPRESENTATION. THIS THIS MAP IS NOT WORKING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT A PERFECT SQUARE, BUT IT'S REALLY FAR FROM THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY REDISTRICT AGAIN IN SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE NEXT CENSUS. SO CERTAINLY YOU WILL. YES. I'M GOING TO PREDICT THAT RIGHT NOW.

SO MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE CHARTER PROCESS AT THIS POINT, BUT LOOK AT IT IN THE NEXT ONCE THE NEXT CENSUS COMES IN, BECAUSE WE WILL KNOW MORE ACCURATELY OUR GROWTH PATTERNS. ARE WE? I DON'T THINK WE ARE LEGALLY CORRECT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ADD A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. NOW, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MAY SAY THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE. BUT ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL DECIDES WHAT GOES ON THE BALLOT.

SO IT IS ULTIMATELY UP TO US. BUT I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT TWO, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY EAST. IF THERE WAS, WE JUST HAD THE ELECTION AND THERE WAS ONE PERSON UNOPPOSED WHO HAPPENED TO LIVE WEST, BUT THAT'S YOU'RE KIND OF KNOCKING THE DISTRICT

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TWO BY SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY LIVED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT DISTRICT, THAT THEY YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, THERE'S JUST SO MANY THERE'S SO MANY WAYS TO APPROACH THIS, THIS, THIS DISCUSSION. BUT WHAT THE DATA IS TELLING US IS THAT DISTRICT FOUR, AS A SINGLE MEMBER, HAS TO GET LARGER, SO MORE PEOPLE ARE STILL ONLY SELECTING ON ONE, AND DISTRICT TWO HAS TO GET SMALLER. AND SO I THINK THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH, IF WE JUST GO THROUGH IT, IS GOING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF DISTRICT TWO AND PUSH IT FURTHER TO THE EAST.

MOST NATURALLY WITH WHAT JUST OCCURRED, WON'T BE ABLE TO HAPPEN LONG TERM. SO I'M, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE, THE REPRESENTATION ARGUMENT, WE'RE ALREADY IN LINE. BUT ADDING MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS WILL WILL CERTAINLY DILUTE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO RUN, BECAUSE WE JUST WATCHED IT HAPPEN IN BUDA OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS OR THREE YEARS SINCE THEY'VE DONE IT, THE THEY'VE CANCELED MORE ELECTIONS THAN THEY'VE HELD IN. SO YOU CHANGED ON THAT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT MOVE. SO YOU YOU THINK WE GET MORE APPLICANTS FOR THE FEWER APPLICANTS FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT THAN WE DO AT LARGE DISTRICTS? SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE THE SAME. I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE RUNNING LARGE DRAWS FROM THE ENTIRE CITY. ANYONE IN THE CITY CAN RUN, BUT SINGLE MEMBERS ONLY HAVE A PARTICULAR AREA. AND SO THAT'S JUST NOT A SEAT THAT'S AVAILABLE TO TWO THIRDS OF THE OF THE RESIDENTS, WHICH IS FINE. BUT IF YOU GO TO FOUR THEN THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY A FOURTH OF THE RESIDENTS CAN PRODUCE CANDIDATES IN A COMPETITIVE RACE. AND IT JUST HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE THAT DOING THAT IS HAS WORKED OUT WHERE WE MIGHT FIND OUT. LIKE OH, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF INTEREST IN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT AND THAT'S FINE. BUT IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF IT. I MEAN, ONE THING WE CAN DO IS LOOK AT YOUR GROWTH PATTERNS BASED ON DATA YOU HAVE AND SEE IF THERE'S MORE POPULATION IN FOUR THAN THE CENSUS SHOWS.

LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE GROWTH YOU'VE HAD HAS BEEN IN FOUR OR 2 OR 6 AT THIS POINT. ALL OF THOSE. YEAH AND THAT'S THE THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GROWING SORT OF UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE BOARD, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY. BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE SHOWS THAT THE WEST SIDE HAS LESS POPULATION THAN THE EAST SIDE. BUT I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S GOING TO THAT TREND IS GOING TO HOLD. I THINK THAT TOO, BASED ON THE WAY TWO IS CONFIGURED WITH PARAMOUNT. THAT'S JUST RECENTLY BLOWN UP. TWO IS DEFINITELY THE DISTRICT THAT'S TOO LARGE. IT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO SHRINK. SO THE I-35 DEMARCATION BE A GREAT WAY TO START, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, ANY WAY YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGING THESE LINES WILL AFFECT US AS INDIVIDUALS. BUT IN TERMS OF JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PATH THAT WE'RE ON IS TO GUARANTEE THAT DISTRICT TWO COMES OUT OF THE EAST, WHICH DOES ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WELL, DISTRICT FOUR COMES OUT OF THE WEST. I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT THIS, RIGHT? AND IT'S ALWAYS DISTRICT FOUR IS THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT ALWAYS HAS A SEAT. BUT ON THE EAST YOU COULD THEY COULD LOSE SEATS. WHAT. RIGHT. SIX AND TWO. THE WAY, THE WAY THE MAPS ARE DRAWN. I EITHER I DON'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING EXACTLY, BUT THE REALITY IS WE HAVE TWO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS THAT ARE PRIMARILY LOCATED ON THE EAST. ONE OF THEM, DISTRICT TWO, HAD SOMEONE WHO LIVES WEST IN A SMALLER PORTION WHO RAN UNOPPOSED. IF WE ELIMINATED THAT SECTION, DISTRICT TWO SHRINKS AND IS FORCED TO BE FROM THE EAST AND DISTRICT FOUR HAS TO CONTEND NOT ONLY WITH PLUM CREEK AND HOMETOWN KYLE AND CYPRESS, BUT ALSO PARAMOUNT IN SOUTH OF I-35. SO IT MAKES DISTRICT FOUR A MORE INTERESTING RACE TO IT. SO THAT'S JUST ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT, BUT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOME FEEDBACK. WE CAN'T JUST ALL HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS ON IT. WE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION ON LIKE, WHICH DIRECTION DO WE WANT TO GO? DO WE WANT TO PURSUE THE PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP AND COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS HAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT? LET'S ADD MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND LET THAT BE THE DISCUSSION OVER THE NEXT NINE MONTHS. OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE WHAT ARE THE LINES OF DEMARCATION BETWEEN DISTRICTS TWO, SIX AND FOUR TO MAKE THEM BALANCED? AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER THE NEXT NINE MONTHS. I THINK IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHAT YOU SAID LAST IS TO FIND OUT WHERE OUR NUMBERS ARE AT, BECAUSE THE COMPENSATION, I MEAN, NOT THE COMPANY, BUT THE CHARTER COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE NEEDING TO BE UP AND RUNNING AND THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A SMALL SLIVER OF WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH, INCLUDING ALL THE DRAWING THE LINES IS NOT WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DOES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE DATA.

AND I'VE BEEN ASKING, WE'VE BEEN ASKING. IT SEEMS LIKE THE DATA WE HAVE IS WHAT WE HAVE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT FOR MORE NUMBERS NECESSARILY. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS START HAVING THEM WORK ON GIVING US OPTIONS FOR HOW TO REDRAW. AND THAT THAT'S A DECISION THAT WE

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MAKE. OR WE COULD HAVE A COMMITTEE MAKE THE DECISION ON THE LINES, BUT THE DECISION ABOUT CHANGING OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THAT IS A WHOLE NOTHER THAT'S ALL WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, IS CHANGING OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, NOT WHERE THE LINES ARE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHANGE DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S GET THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, HAVE THEM HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE SPRING SLASH EARLY SUMMER. THEN WE DECIDE, SEND IT TO THE VOTERS. AND IN AUGUST THEY COME TO THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER AND DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT OR MANY. AND THEN WE HAVE TO START THE PROCESS OVER OF FIGURING OUT WHERE THOSE LINES AND BORDERS ARE. WILL WE GO THAT ROUTE? BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU FIRST OF ALL, YOU GIVE THE COMMISSION THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THAT. WE GO ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE BRING IT TO THE VOTERS AND LET THEM HAVE THE SAY AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND IF IT'S APPROVED AND IF IT IS APPROVED TO WHERE THEY SAY, YES, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE REPRESENTATION HERE OR WE PREFER TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. WE'LL HAVE OUR ANSWER. AND THEN FROM THERE, IF IT IS GET APPROVED TO WHERE THEY WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL SEAT, THEN WE CAN GO TO THE ACTUAL DRAWING BOARD AS FAR AS DIVIDING UP THE DISTRICTS. AND SO FORTH. BY THEN IT WILL BE TWO YEARS FROM NOW WE'LL SEE WHERE THE POPULATION GROWTH IS. WE'LL SEE IF DISTRICT FOUR HAS INCREASED OR DECREASED, AND WE CAN STILL HAVE MORE NUMBERS TO SHOW FOR THEM IN, BECAUSE AGAIN, FROM NOW INTO 2026, EVERYTHING CAN CHANGE AS FAR AS WHERE OUR HOUSING, OUR DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH, IT COULD EXPAND EVEN MORE. SO BY THEN WE COULD SAY IF THE RESIDENTS DID SAY THEY WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER SEAT TO REPRESENT THE EAST SIDE, OR MAYBE THE WEST SIDE, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS WITH THE NUMBERS THEY GIVE US, WE CAN THEN DRAW THE BOUNDARY LINES AND GO FROM THERE AND SEEING WHERE IT'S AT. AND THAT SOUNDED LIKE A RECOMMENDATION. AND WE TAKE IT STEP BY STEP. BUT AGAIN, WE LET THE RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT. AND THEN THAT WAY THERE'S NO CONFLICTING BECAUSE AGAIN, SEATS COULD CHANGE NEXT YEAR AS WELL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ELECTIONS NEXT YEAR. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL OR WE COULD STILL HAVE THE SAME. SO IT'S WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF JUST GO WITH IT, TAKING IT STEP BY STEP. AND MY, MY SUGGESTION ON THAT. HONESTLY CAN I ASK A QUESTION, HOW WOULD THA. SO LET'S SAY THAT WE GO THE, THE OR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE DECIDES TO PUT ON NEXT NOVEMBER'S BALLOT THE OPTION TO GO TO A 4 TO 1 FOR SINGLE MEMBER, TWO AT LARGE. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE CURRENT MAKEUP OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS? IT WOULD NOT. IMMEDIATELY, YOU'D HAVE TO ADOPT THE NEW SYSTEM, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ADOPT IT. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO'S CURRENTLY AT LARGE MAY END UP IN THE FOURTH DISTRICT, SO THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, SO MANY HYPOTHETICALS. ONCE YOU GET OUT THERE, I'LL JUST SAY THE PLAN DRAWING IS THERE'S ALMOST AN INFINITE NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES, THE SOFTWARE WE USE, WE GO IN AT THE BLOCK LEVEL, AND WE CAN MOVE ANY LINE YOU WANT. IT AUTOMATICALLY RECALIBRATES ALL THE DATA. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI THAT MISS REED REMEMBERS, LAST TIME WHERE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN END UP WITH 50 DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLANS THAT ALL MEET THE STANDARDS, THEY'RE MORE OR LESS ACCEPTABLE TO THE POLITICAL CLASS, IS THE WAY I CHARACTERIZE IT, SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR KOBE, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE CHARTER IN THAT WAY, WHAT WOULD LIKELY HAPPEN IS THEY WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHICH AT LARGE SEAT WOULD SWITCH TO BECOME A SINGLE MEMBER SEAT, WHETHER THAT'S ONE, 3 OR 5 1 IN 3 WILL BOTH BE UP FOR ELECTION ON THAT SAME BALLOT. SO IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE TWO, THAT PERSON WOULD SERVE THEIR TERM, AND THEN WHEN THEIR TERM ENDED, THAT WOULD BECOME AN AT LARGE SEAT. SO THAT'S NOT A SINGLE YEAH, SORRY, A SINGLE MEMBER SEAT. AND SO AT THAT POINT, THAT PERSON WHO MAY NOT LIVE IN THAT DISTRICT MAY THEN HAVE TO RUN FOR A DIFFERENT DISTRICT IF HE OR SHE WANTS TO STAY ON OR MOVE OR MOVE RIGHT, WHICH HAS HAPPENED. I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE THE POPULAR CONVERSATION RIGHT HERE, BUT LOOK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY STICKS OUT TO ME, SOMETHING YOU POINTED OUT IS, FOR THE FIRST TIME, THIS BACK COMMITTEE HAS A LOT OF THE VOTE. IT'S 2 TO 1 RIGHT NOW IN THE DISTRICTS 54, 54.6%, 52.9%. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS RECENT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING

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THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN THESE DISTRICTS WERE, THE OTHER WAY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I, I, I WORRY ABOUT LOSING THE REPRESENTATION FOR THIS BAD COMMUNITY. THE OTHER THING IS I LIKE BEING ABLE TO VOTE FOR, MORE THAN JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. IF WE WERE TO GO TO SYMBOL, SINGLE DISTRICT OR EVEN WENT TO THE FOUR, TWO, ONE, IT LIMITS THE PEOPLE I'M ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR, SO DO I HAVE LESS EARS ON COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE IN MY DISTRICT, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES, BUT HONESTLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO PUT IT LIKE COUNCILMEMBER SAID TO A COMMITTEE AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE WHAT THEY ASSERT OR WHAT THEY DECIDE TO BRING BACK TOWARDS COUNCIL AND THEN MAYBE LET THE VOTERS. BUT NO, I, THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE THE 54.6, THE 52.9 AND 37.6. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE PAST. SO BREAKING IT UP COULD ELIMINATE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MR. CAPUTO OR FOR BICKERSTAFF, BUT MY SUGGESTION, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE COMMITTEE, MIGHT BE TO EXTEND THEIR CONTRACT AND CHANGE THE SCOPE AND HAVE PERHAPS BICKERSTAFF PROVIDE MODELS OF MAPS OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS A FOUR DISTRICT SO THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT TO THE COMMITTEE. THAT WOULD BE THE. SO THE THING ABOUT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE IS THE 421, THE COMMITTEE DOES NOT EXIST. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING FOUR, TWO ONE, WE'RE TELLING A COMMITTEE THAT WE APPOINT INDIVIDUALLY WHAT WE WANT, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US. SO THEIR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US, IF WE'RE SIGNALING WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO, IS NOT THAT'S JUST A GAME. IT'S GOING TO COME BACK. WE HAVE TO MAKE I DON'T THINK WE'RE SIGNALING WHAT WE'RE SAYING. LET'S SEE WHAT THE COMMITTEE IF THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH DISTRICTING, LET THEM DO WHAT THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND TO US. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION. WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM TO GO TO AA4, TWO ONE. IT'S JUST ABOUT LET'S SEE IF THERE'S A NEED FOR IT. AND THE COMMITTEE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT AND THEN COME BACK TO US, YOU KNOW, I, I DO I DO MUCH PREFER A BROADER, SET OF INSTRUCTIONS THAN JUST WE WANT TO GO FOUR, TWO, ONE. BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

BECAUSE I'M ALREADY CLEAR WHERE I'M AT ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. SO I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR FOUR, TWO, ONE. ACTUALLY, I LIKE THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE RIGHT NOW. THE 54.6, THE 52.93, ARE WE GOING TO LOSE THAT? AND THAT'S MY CONCERN RIGHT THERE BECAUSE GROWING UP WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. IT WAS IN REVERSE. NOW IS THERE ANY WAY THAT MAYBE WE CAN ASK THEM TO SHOW US WHAT THE LINES WOULD LOOK LIKE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EVEN RIGHT NOW? AND THEN, ONCE THAT ONCE WE PICK ONCE COUNCIL PICKS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, BRING THEM TO THEM.

THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A THOUGHT ON THEIR PART TO CHANGING HOW, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS ARE, IF THEY WANT TO, OR 4 OR 6 OR WHATEVER, IS THAT WHAT THEY WANT? BRING THAT RECOMMENDATION. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR LATER ON IS THAT THEY BRING A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN HERE IN THE DAIS, YOU GUYS SAY, WELL, PLUM CREEK, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE BIGGEST VOTES. SO IF PLUM CREEK VOTES YES OR NO FOR WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION IS, THEN YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T LIKE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT. SO, SO JUST JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE HEARD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ON THE DAIS, I'D BE WILLING TO BET I'VE WORKED WITH COBB IN THE PAST. HE'S MENTIONED THAT I'D BE WILLING TO BET THAT HE AND HIS PEOPLE CAN DRAW YOU THAT MAP WITH SIX DISTRICTS. THEY CAN DRAW YOU THE MAP WITH FOUR DISTRICTS, WHATEVER YOU AND THE COMPENSATION. SORRY THE YOU GOT ME DOING IT NOW TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. WANT TO LOOK AT DID I SAY COMPENSATION. WE JUST WE JUST WE JUST MIGHT HAVE TO THEN BRING BACK AN AMENDMENT TO HIS CONTRACT TO DO THAT. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WE CAN I'M SURE WE CAN DO THAT WITHIN OUR CURRENT SCOPE. WE CAN DO AN ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN, JUST CHANGING THE BOUNDARIES HERE TO KEEP THE THREE EQUAL. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YES. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. THAT'S WHAT. AND SO WE CAN DO THAT FAIRLY EASILY. IT YOU'LL PROBABLY HATE IT BECAUSE AGAIN I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND HERE. I WILL JUST LOOK AT NUMBERS AND LINES AND BRING YOU YOU KNOW, WHAT BALANCES. AND THEN YOU ALL CAN SAY, WELL THAT'S CRAZY, BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO, WE CAN DRAW YOU A FOUR, THREE, A52, A61. YOU KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL FRAMERS OF THIS, THEY DID PUT THE EAST WEST THE WAY THAT THEY DID SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT TO INFLAME COUNCIL INTO HAVING MEMBERS WHO WERE DOING THE EAST WEST DISCUSSION THAT EACH SINGLE DISTRICT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOUR, THE TWO AND SIX, WOULD HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION ON BOTH SIDES.

AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SERVED US WELL. BUT ALSO I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION GROWTH

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TOWARDS THE EAST, THAT'S PROBABLY BOTH SIX AND 2ND MAY GET PUSHED FURTHER EAST. SO YEAH, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AND ALSO YOUR CONCERNS DANIELLA, BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE WHAT IS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE AFRAID OF THIS CHANGE. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH IT. WE JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT WOULD THIS COMMITTEE WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO OBSERVE WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING A COMMITTEE WOULD WANT TO EXPLORE AND, YOU KNOW, LET THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, DO THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR REPRESENTATIVES? YOU KNOW, HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR DISTRICTS AND OUR AT LARGE MEMBERS GETTING AWAY WITH TOO MUCH? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW. SO LET'S JUST SEE. AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK IT DOESN'T WORK. BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT DATA, WE'VE GOT GROWTH, AND WE'RE GETTING PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE BY LOOKING AT WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE BOTH THINGS. I THINK WHAT WE NEED, KIND OF NEED A DECISION ON NOW IS WHETHER WE WANT TO SEND COPY TO GO PUT TOGETHER AN ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN WITH THE THREE DISTRICTS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, OR IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND AMEND THAT SCOPE AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PROCESS AND HAVE THEM DESIGN ILLUSTRATIVE PLANS FOR THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SEE WHAT THE LINES WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO BALANCE THE DISTRICTS. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR THE THREE.

YEAH. NO, I MEAN, TO MAKE THE DISTRICTS TO HAVE TO BALANCE OUT THE CURRENT, TO BALANCE IT OUT.

YEAH. THE CURRENT DISTRICTS DO HAVE WE CAN DO THAT WITHIN THE 10%. WE ALSO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO DO IT IN A WORK SESSION, YOU COULD TELL US WHAT LINES TO MOVE, AND THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE MORE. IT'S A LITTLE LESS ITERATIVE THAN I MAKE A PLAN.

YOU GUYS SAY THIS IS NOT RIGHT. I GO MAKE ANOTHER PLAN. YOU SAY YOU KNOW, I I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SHOCK COUNCILMEMBER KALE. FORMER COUNCILMEMBER KALE, I AGREE WITH HER COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT THE MOVING OF THE LINES ON THE MAP IS MUCH BETTER HANDLED AWAY FROM THE DICE AND ALLOWING FOR A COMMITTEE TO BE THE ONE TO WORKSHOP AND PUT THOSE LINES TOGETHER, AS OPPOSED TO US, BECAUSE WE'RE FULL OF, YOU KNOW, ELECTION TRAUMA AND THE BATTLE THAT WE WENT THROUGH TO GET HERE. AND THERE'S A TENDENCY TO WANT TO DEFEND TERRITORIES. AND REALLY, THIS SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT US. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT A COOL, CALM AND COLLECTED GROUP TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE CITY WITHOUT NECESSARILY THINKING ABOUT OUR FATES. WE'VE CERTAINLY DONE IT BOTH WAYS. WHERE THE BODY MAKES THE, YOU KNOW, PLAYS AROUND WITH THE MAPS OR THE COMMITTEE DOES IT. IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO DO IT EITHER WAY. I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE. MAYOR, I KNOW THIS WOULD BE LIKE THROWING A LONG PASS. WOULD WE CONSIDER MAYBE DOING A REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE THAT LOOKS AT ALL THE HOMEWORK THAT WE'RE DOING? JUST FOCUS ON THIS. APPOINTING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WOULD JUST FOCUS ONLY ON THIS VERSUS. AND THEN THEY THEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHARTER COMMITTEE, AND THEY CAN WORK OUT ON THAT END. AND THEN ONCE IT GOES AND THEY SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO COUNCIL TO VOTE, TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THREE SETS OF EYES VERSUS TWO. THAT WAY THEIR WHOLE FOCUS COULD JUST BE ON THE POPULATION, THE VOTER TURNOUT, THE DISTRICTS, THE EQUAL REPRESENTATION CONVERSATION, THE GROWTH PATTERN. AND THEY CAN REALLY JUST FOCUS ON THAT. A PUBLIC COMMITTEE THAT FOCUSES ON THAT WHEN THEY WHEN IT IS TIME FOR THE COMPENSATION MEETING AGAIN, WHEN IT IS TIME FOR THE CHARTER COMMISSION TO BE APPOINTED, THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THAT HOMEWORK DONE ALREADY. THEY CAN THEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND PRESENT IT AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE DONE THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMEWORK ON THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISSECT EVERYTHING IN THE CHARTER FROM OUR PENAL CODES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR ORDINANCES. AND SO FORTH. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE TASK, ESPECIALLY HAVING TO GO THROUGH EACH LINE ITEM FOR CHANGING OUT WORDS. I WOULD SAY YES, IF WE DO IT RIGHT AWAY, IF WE DO IT RIGHT AWAY TO WHERE WE COULD SET UP AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO WHERE WE COULD APPOINT SEVEN MEMBERS. AND BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FUTURE OF THE CITY VOTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, REPRESENTATION. IF WE APPOINT A COMMITTEE THAT COULD FOCUS ON THIS, AND BY THAT TIME WHERE WE HAVE THE CHARTER COMMITTEE, THEY CAN THEN PRESENT IT TO THEM AND GIVE THAT RECOMMENDATION. THEY CAN TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN GIVE US THE FINAL VERDICT FOR US TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE YES OR NO OR GREAT, AND WE PUT

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IT ON THE BALLOT. ONCE WE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, IF THE RESIDENTS THEN APPROVE IT, WE ALREADY KNOW THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN. IT SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS LIKE NOW WE CAN GO IN AS COUNSEL BECAUSE AGAIN, WE COULD HAVE THE SAME MEMBERS. WE'LL HAVE NEW MEMBERS. WE CAN THEN START DISSECTING WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE ACCORDING TO THE ORIGINAL, DISTRICT COMMITTEE AND THE CHARTER COMMITTEE AND EVERYTHING THAT THAT GOES IN LINE WITH THAT. IT'S AN IT'S AN ADDITIONAL STEP. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE, BUT IT GIVES IT MORE THE RESIDENTS, MORE OF A VOICE BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR POPULATION IS GROWING, THE WAY OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING, GROWING AS WELL. THE REPRESENTATION OF THE FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING IN. IT'S JUST GIVING IT THAT EXTRA LEVERAGE VERSUS PUTTING IT ALL ON THEM TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE WITH THE ADDITIONAL HOMEWORK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. WELL, I WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN AND PLAY OUT MANY TIMES, WE ARE GOING TO VOTE HOW WE WANT TO VOTE WHEN THIS COMES FORWARD REGARDLESS. SO THE COMMITTEE WE CREATE AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION THEY MAKE TO THE OTHER COMMITTEE, AND IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY COME BACK AND RECOMMEND SIX SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TO GO TO THE BALLOT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE GET TO DECIDE, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THAT. BUT IF YOU KNOW AND EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR OWN OPINION, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE THE WAY WE WANT TO VOTE. REALLY, WHAT WE WANT OUT OF THESE COMMITTEES IS FOR THEM TO DO HOMEWORK THAT WE CAN'T DO ON OUR OWN, SO THAT THEY GIVE US MORE, MORE VALUE. BUT REALLY, THERE'S THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT OUR DISTRICTS ARE OUT OF BALANCE. SO WE NEED TO WE NEED TO PUT THEM INTO INTO BALANCE, WHICH WE CAN WE CAN START THAT PROCESS OR THE WHOLE OTHER POLITICAL CONVERSATION OF WE REALLY WANT TO ADD. WE WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE POWER OF THE AT LARGE. WE WANT TO PUT MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE VALID REASONS FOR THAT, BECAUSE WE WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE A CERTAIN VOTE IN AUGUS. AND SO I JUST WANT US TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE UP FRONT. YES. BECAUSE THIS HASN'T BEEN DONE IN HOW LONG? HOW MANY YEARS? A LONG TIME EXACTLY. SO TAKING THAT EXTRA STEP OF HAVING A COMMITTEE THAT REALLY JUST FOCUSES ON THE DISTRICTS ITSELF BECAUSE OF THE POPULATION THAT I THINK THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DONE, WHEN WE HAD WHAT, 30,000 PEOPLE OR OR 2010, 2015, THE COMMITTEE, AND I'LL TELL YOU, THE COMMITTEE, I WAS HERE THAT DAY IN 2015 WHEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT GOING TO THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS VERSUS MAY. AND THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO DO MAY AND THE ENTIRE COUNCIL SAID, TOO BAD WE'RE DOING NOVEMBER. YEAH I WATCHED IT HAPPEN. I WAS SITTING RIGHT THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED. AND SO THEY USED THE MAY VERSUS NOVEMBER THING. THEY WERE TRYING TO USE THE COMMISSION TO GET THE COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK THAT THEY WANTED. THE COMMISSION MADE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION. BUT LO AND BEHOLD, THEY WERE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO BECAUSE THEY'RE THE REPRESENTATIVES. YEAH. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IMMORAL OF THEM TO SAY, NO, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO LEAD. AND I'M JUST SAYING, IN MY VIEW, THIS IS LIKELY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP FACING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY SO THAT THAT IS IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY SO, BUT IT'S JUST TAKING AN EXTRA STEP OF HAVING RESIDENTIAL INPUT. BRIAN? YES, SIR. DO YOU NEED A MOTION? WHAT DO YOU NEED HERE, I NEED DIRECTION OF. ARE YOU WANTING US TO PROCEED WITH THE THREE DISTRICTS AND TO REBALANCE THOSE USING BICKERSTAFF TO DO THAT WORK, OR DO YOU WANT US TO DO SOME ALTERNATIVE WORK TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT OF DISTRICTS AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU? WELL, CAN BOTH OF THOSE BE A SHORT TERM AND A LONG TERM? BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EASY THING FOR HIM TO DO UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT. SO I COULD MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT HIM UNDER THE CURRENT OR DIRECT WHATEVER UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT TO REDRAW THE THREE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. AND TO CONSIDER OTHER INFORMATION AS WELL. YEAH. WHILE ALSO AMENDING THE CONTRACT TO WE WOULD BRING BACK AN AMENDED CONTRACT. SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD HAVE YOU GO AHEAD AND GIVE A MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO GET THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN OF THE THREE CURRENT DISTRICTS AND TO CONSIDER COMING BACK WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT TO DO ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL CHANGES UNDER THE CHARTER. IF THE REVIEW COMMITTEE COMES BACK WITH CHANGES. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE STILL NEED TO CONSIDER IS THAT WE WILL BE BACK HERE WHEN WE HAVE ACCURATE, MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE GROWTH OF THE CITY WHEN WE GET THE NEXT CENSUS. SO STICKING WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW IS PROBABLY NOT MY PREFERENCE FOR A LONG TIME, BECAUSE I KIND OF LIKE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. BUT I ALSO AM DISAPPOINTED THAT WE CAN'T USE OUR MOST CURRENT

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POPULATION FIGURES, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO BE MAKING INTELLIGENT REDISTRICTING. I MEAN, WE CAN TALK WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF, YOUR GIS STAFF ABOUT WHAT THEIR DATA IS BASED ON AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, RENDER AN OPINION ON WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE USING OR COULD USE. BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE KEY IS IT HAS TO BE AS RELIABLE AS THE CENSUS. AND THE MAIN THING IS IT'S GOT TO BE BLOCK LEVEL DATA, AND IT'S GOT TO HAVE THE RACE AND ETHNICITY COMPONENTS. THAT WILL BE REALLY DIFFICULT. SO BUT BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, IT'S STILL THERE. JUST UNDECIDED QUESTIONS LIKE WHAT COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS JUST SAID. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY GO FORWARD AND MAKE THEIR DRAW THEIR DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THIS CURRENT MAP, WHO ARE THEY GOING TO PRESENT THAT TO US, OR ARE WE GOING TO CREATE A COMMITTEE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THIS? BUT THEN CAN CAN THEY BRING THEIR LONG TERM PLAN TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE? OR IF WE WERE TO DO A REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE FOR THEM TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL A PROPOSAL, IF THEY WERE TO WANTED TO ADD SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS OR HAVE A LARGE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE LONG TERM PLAN. THE CURRENT SCOPE PROVIDES THAT HE'LL PRESENT THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN TO THE COUNCIL. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THE COUNCIL DECIDES WHAT COMMUNITY INPUT THEY WANT. IF WE WANT A WHEN DID THIS BEFORE WE DID TOWN HALLS AND ALL THE DISTRICTS WANT TO DO TOWN HALLS.

IF YOU WANT TO DO A COMMITTEE, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, YOU CAN DO AT THAT POINT. BUT THE FIRST STEP IS TO GET AN ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN PRESENTED SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO START. I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION ON A COMMITTEE ONCE THAT COMES BACK TO US. YES. SO, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR BICKERSTAFF TO CREATE AN ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN TO REDRAW THE CURRENT THREE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TO MAKE THEM EQUAL OR BALANCED, AND TO FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT CONTRACT TO THE CURRENT CONTRACT, FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE SERVICES, POTENTIAL TO FUTURE SERVICES UNDER THE CHARTER SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER HEIZER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER PARSLEY THAT WE DIRECT, BICKERSTAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. NEXT UP IS

[6) Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the Juvenile Behavioral Health Program with Hill Country Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Centers.]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. COUNCIL RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD DISCUSSION REGARDING THE JUVENILE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROGRAM WITH HILL COUNTRY MENTAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY CENTERS. GOOD EVENING, ROSY TRUELOVE, DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, WE HAVE WITH US TONIGHT AN UPDATE, AS WE INDICATED, WE WOULD DO, FROM HILL COUNTRY MENTAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY CENTERS ON THE JUVENILE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM THAT WE ARE ESTABLISHING, AS YOU WILL RECALL, ON MAY 18TH, COUNCIL RECOMMENDED AWARD OF THE CONTRACT TO HILL COUNTRY, WE EXECUTED THAT AGREEMENT ON AUGUST 19TH, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO WELCOME LISA CISNEROS HERE. SHE'S THE DIRECTOR OF CLINICAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING. THANK YOU. SCOTT GOOD EVENING. I'M LISA CISNEROS. I HAVE WITH ME A WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE. I HAVE MARITZA GONZALEZ FROM HAYS CISD, DOCTOR WATSON FROM HAYS CISD, AND MATTHEW FROM THE HAYS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. MICHELLE, WHO IS A CLINIC DIRECTOR OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES CENTER HERE IN KYL, THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE HAVE INITIATED IS THE COLLABORATIVE JUVENILE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROGRAM FOR THE YOUTH AND FAMILIES OF THE CITY OF KYLE, AND WHAT THIS PROGRAM WILL DO IS PLACE A SCHOOL BASED CLINICIAN IN THE HAYS CISD SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SERVE THE YOUTH WHO RESIDE IN THE CITY OF KYLE. JANUARY 8TH, WE THIS KIND OF HISTORY. 20TH JANUARY EIGHTH, WE RELEASED THE ACCESS FOR SERVICES HILL COUNTRY. SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL.

WE WERE AWARDED THE SOLICITATION PRESENTED TWO OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, TO DATE, WE HAVE EXECUTED A CONTRACT WITH THIS. THE CITY OF KYLE, WE'VE ALSO ESTABLISHED A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND A BUSINESS ASSOCIATED AGREEMENT WITH HAYS CISD, AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO ATTEMPTED TO REACH OUT TO THE IDEA CHARTER SCHOOLS TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE PROJECT AS WELL, WE HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION READY TO BE POSTED FOR A SCHOOL BASED CLINICIAN. PARTNERS IN THE PROJECT ARE THE CITY OF KYLE HILL COUNTRY AND HDD CENTERS, HAYS CISD, AND THE HAYS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS. INITIALLY A FULL TIME LICENSED CLINICIAN WITH EXPERIENCE IN PROVIDING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, WHICH IS SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH

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SERVICES, WILL BE AVAILABLE TO STUDENTS WHO ATTEND SCHOOLS LOCATED IN KYLE, TEXAS. THESE SCHOOL BASED SERVICES, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL FACULTY AND STAFF, ALLOW FOR IDENTIFICATION OF JUVENILES WHO, WHO ARE OR WHO HAVE USED SUBSTANCES TO AND PROVIDE ACCESSIBILITY TO SUPPORT SERVICES TO CURB USE, IMPROVE WELLNESS AND TEACH ALTERNATIVE METHODS FOR COPING WITH THE MANY CHALLENGES THAT OUR YOUTH ARE FACING. ADDITIONAL PREVENTION PROGRAMS WILL BE DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED AND COORDINATED WITH THE HAYS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, EFFORTS TO INCREASE AND EXPAND THESE SERVICES THROUGHOUT OTHER HAYS COUNTY SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. INFORMATION, REFERRAL AND ACCESS TO OTHER COMMUNITY RESOURCES AND SERVICES WILL BE AVAILABLE AS WELL. THE GOAL IS TO SERVE 100 UNDUPLICATED STUDENTS, THAT WILL BE MEASURED BY COUNT THE PRIMARY FOCUS IS INDIVIDUALIZED, ACCESSIBLE PREVENTION, INTERVENTION, AND TREATMENT OF FENTANYL AND OTHER OPIATE USE.

HOWEVER, ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND OTHER SUBSTANCE EDUCATION AND SUPPORT SERVICES WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE. THE SCHOOL BASED CLINICIAN WILL HAVE AN OFFICE AT ONE OF THE HAYS CISD. CAMPUSES HERE IN KYLE. ARE WE STILL THINKING KYLE ELEMENTARY WILL BE SO THE CLINICIAN WILL BE BASED OUT OF THAT OFFICE, BUT WILL TRAVEL TO THE DIFFERENT CAMPUSES TO SEE THE STUDENTS, AND TO MITIGATE ANY EDUCATIONAL DISRUPTIONS WILL MAKE ALL EFFORT TO PREVENT STUDENTS FROM BEING REMOVED FROM CORE CLASSES FOR THOSE SERVICES, THEY WILL MEET WITH STAFF FROM PARTICIPATING SCHOOLS WEEKLY TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE COORDINATION AND A HOLISTIC APPROACH. THE PROGRAM IS FUNDED BY THE CITY OF KYLE. THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY MEANING OUR SALARY FOR THAT FULL TIME CLINICIAN, SO SERVICES WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO SCHOOL CAMPUSES LOCATED WITHIN THE KYLE CITY LIMITS, WE'LL FOCUS ON TIER THREE SERVICES TO STUDENTS WHO ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING CONCERNS RELATED TO SUBSTANCE USE. SO PARTNERSHIPS WITH EXISTING PROGRAMS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS, OR OTHER PROJECTS WILL BE COORDINATED FOR THOSE HAYS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THOSE PREVENTION EFFORTS IN THE LONG RANGE. SO MULTIPLE REFERRAL PATHWAYS. SO SCHOOL STAFF, AND THOSE SCHOOLS IN THE CITY LIMITS OF KYLE WILL REFER STAFF WHEN THERE'S AN IDENTIFIED CONCERN, FAMILIES CAN SELF-REFER DIRECTLY AND STUDENTS CAN ALSO REFER FOR SUPPORT AND SERVICES, REFERRALS ARE MADE THROUGH A SECURE MICROSOFT FORMS PAGE THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE THROUGH A QR CODE THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON CLINICIANS, BUSINESS CARDS, FLIERS POSTED AROUND THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE SO THEY CAN ACCESS THAT SERVICE, COMPLIANCE WITH HIPAA AND OTHER PRIVACY REGULATIONS ARE ALLOWABLE PER THE HAYS CISD AND HILL COUNTRY BAR. SO INFORMATION SHARING PERTAINING TO THOSE STUDENTS AND KEEPING THEM OUT OF CRISIS IS A PRIMARY FOCUS. THE SERVICE WORKFLOW, OUR THE FULL TIME CLINICIAN WILL RECEIVE THE REFERRAL. THEY'LL CONTACT THE REFERRING INDIVIDUAL FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO IF IT COMES FROM A SCHOOL COUNSELOR OR A TEACHER, THEY'LL HAVE INFORMATION AS TO WHO MADE THAT REFERRAL. REACH OUT TO THEM, GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE REFERRAL. CLINICIAN WILL CONTACT THE LEGAL PARENT OR GUARDIAN FOR NOTIFICATION OF THE REFERRAL, AND TO REQUEST CONSENT TO MEET WITH THE STUDENT FOR SCREENING OF NEEDS, OR IF THE STUDENT IS OVER THE AGE OF 16, THE STUDENT MAY CONTACT. WE CAN CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY, BUT WE WILL MAKE ALL EFFORTS TO ACQUIRE LEGAL PARENT GUARDIAN CONSENT PRIOR TO SCREENING ANY OF THE YOUTH IN OUR SCHOOLS. STUDENT ASSESSMENT OF NEEDS AND STRENGTHS WILL BE CONDUCTED.

INDIVIDUALIZED TREATMENT PLAN THAT INCLUDES A DISCHARGE TIMELINE IS COMPLETED AND SERVICE ARE INITIATED SO THAT STUDENT BASED ON THEIR NEEDS WILL BE THOSE NEEDS WILL BE IDENTIFIED IN THEIR TREATMENT. PLANNING IS DEFINITELY INDIVIDUALIZED. WE CANNOT REQUIRE THEM TO RECEIVE SERVICES FROM US. SO THEY WILL HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY ARE AWARE OF THOSE OTHER OPTIONS. WE ARE NOT BILLING INSURANCE OR CHARGING FOR THE SERVICE SINCE THE SALARY OF THAT STAFF PERSON IS ALREADY FUNDED THROUGH THE PROJECT WITH YOU ALL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, SO ANY UPDATES REVIEWS WILL BE MADE MID-WAY THROUGH DISCHARGE, PLANNING ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND AFTERCARE FOLLOW UP, CONTINUED SUPPORT AND SERVICES, AND THEN NO LESS THAN 60 DAYS AND NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS AFTER THEY FINISH THE PROGRAM AND THE TREATMENT, THEN THEY'LL DISCHARGE, THEY'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP APPOINTMENT. SERVICES ARE INDIVIDUALIZED BASED ON THE NEEDS AND STRENGTHS OF EACH STUDENT AND THEIR FAMILY. SO SERVICES MAY INCLUDE, SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING, ASSESSMENT, INDIVIDUALIZED TREATMENT PLANNING, ONE ON ONE COUNSELING, SUPPORT FOR THE STUDENTS, YOUTH FAMILY

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COUNSELING AND SUPPORT, YOUTH GROUP COUNSELING, YOUTH GROUP EDUCATION. SO EDUCATION AS FAR AS OPIOID REVERSAL, ANY KIND OF HARM REDUCTION, SUPPORT THAT THEY MAY NEED, MAKING SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND ABOUT SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES, HOW TO AVOID, ANY KIND OF SHARING OF SUBSTANCES, TAKING ITEMS FROM, YOU KNOW, OTHER STUDENTS THAT THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE. SO JUST GENERAL SAFETY AND GROUP EDUCATION, AND THEN DEFINITELY SUPPORT FOR ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL SERVICES THEY MAY NEED. AND THEN ACCESS WITH THOSE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY TO PAY. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO RECEIVE THE SERVICES THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. WE CAN DEFINITELY HELP THEM IDENTIFY OTHER SUPPORTS AND RESOURCES THAT THEY MAY NEED. NEXT STEPS, WE'LL GET THAT POSITION POSTED. WE'RE COORDINATING AN INTERVIEW SELECTION TEAM THAT DOES INCLUDE REPRESENTATION FROM HAYS CISD AND THE CITY OF KYLE, WHO? SOMEONE WHO WAS GOING TO SOMEONE FROM THE CITY OF KYLE IS ALSO SERVING ON THAT INTERVIEW COMMITTEE, SO WE HAVE A TEAM THAT WILL BE INTERVIEWING INTERVIEWING THAT CLINICIAN, SO QUALIFIED APPLICATIONS ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY THE SELECTION TEAM. HILL COUNTRY WILL SCHEDULE INTERVIEWS WITH THE SELECTED CANDIDATES, INTERVIEW WITH OUR TEAM, AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH THE HR DEPARTMENT WITH HILL COUNTRY, WE ONCE WE MAKE AN OFFER TO A CANDIDATE, THEY ALL UNDERGO, BACKGROUND CHECKS, FINGERPRINTING, DRUG TESTING, AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN TRAINING, AND THEY HAVE TRAINING. SUMMARY. THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO COMPLETE. AND THEN SERVICES WILL BEGIN.

ADDITIONALLY, WE REALLY WANT TO UTILIZE INTERNS TO SUPPLEMENT THE NUMBER OF PROVIDERS THAT WE HAVE. THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF LICENSED PROVIDERS THROUGHOUT THE NATION, NOT JUST IN TEXAS, BUT WE COULD HAVE SOME INTERNS WORKING IN THE PROGRAM, WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL, WE'RE LOOKING FOR GRANTS AND OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM WITHIN THE HAYS CISD AND THROUGHOUT HAYS COUNTY. WE'RE LOOKING TO IDENTIFY COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE YOUTH IN KYLE IN THE BROADER COMMUNITIES OF HAYS COUNTY, CONTINUE TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO FUND PREVENTION AND INTERVENTION SERVICES, NOT JUST TREATMENT SERVICES, AND THEN CONDUCTING MARKETING AND OUTREACH PLANNING WITH THE CITY OF KYLE, THE CITY OF KYLE, COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, AND THE HAYS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. I'M A LONG TERM RESIDENT OF KYLE. I'VE LIVED IN KYLE SINCE THE EARLY 80S. I'VE HAD FOR TWO ROUNDS OF KIDS, FOUR KIDS GRADUATE FROM THE HAYS CISD SCHOOL DISTRICT, DID ALL OF MY GRADUATE STUDIES AND MY LICENSING, SUPPORTING FAMILIES IN HAYS COUNTY. I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE FIELD FOR 23 YEARS, TEN OF WHICH WITH COMMUNITY ACTION AND TEN HILL WITH HERE WITH HILL COUNTRY. SO I AM THANKFUL THIS IS A LONG TIME OVERDUE, I HAD, A CHILD WHO STRUGGLED IN SCHOOL WITH SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH, AND THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL, AND IT WAS A REAL A REAL STRUGGLE. AND SO TO SEE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN HAPPENING AND COMING TO FRUITION FOR ME IS REALLY I JUST I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT IT. SO I THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS PROJECT AND THIS OPPORTUNITY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE PRESENTER OR OUR COMMENTS? COUNCILMEMBER PARSLEY. OKAY. SO I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOCATION AND YOU SAID THAT YOU WILL BE IN KYLE ELEMENTARY. SO THERE'S A SPACE. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT DOCTOR WATSON? HI. GOOD EVENING. I'M MICHAEL WATSON WITH HAYS CISD. FIRST OF ALL I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YO, THIS IS VERY BOLD. YOU GUYS ARE BEING PROACTIVE. A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE BEING REACTIVE. AND I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE. SO CURRENTLY, THE ASK WAS FOR SOME OFFICE SPACE FOR THE, CLINICIAN TO WORK OUT OF AND DO THEIR REPORTS. AND WE HAVE AN EXTERIOR BUILDING AT KYLE ELEMENTARY. THEY WON'T BE HOUSED IN THE ACTUAL SCHOOL, BUT WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT IS ON THE SITE THAT IS, ON NEAR THE CAMPUS. OKAY. SO THE SECOND QUESTION IS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A QR CODE, AND THAT'S THE WAY KIND OF MY, MY, MY SCHOOL DOES IT WITH THE COUNSELOR. THE KIDS WILL SCAN THE QR CODE TO GET TIME TO SPEAK TO THE COUNSELOR. HOW HOW ARE WE? I AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THIS TO SOUND HARSH, BUT HOW DO WE ARE WE GOING TO JUST DENY SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN KYLE? SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE ALREADY UNDERWAY TRYING TO

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EXPAND OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF KYLE, I'M ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT WITH TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY FOR THE, SAN MARCOS. I'M SORRY, NOT SAN MARCOS ISD FOR WIMBERLEY AND DRIPPING SPRINGS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO HAVE A HALF TIME CLINICIAN THERE PROVIDING THE SAME TYPE OF SUPPORT, SO WE DEFINITELY ARE THINKING HOW THAT PERSON COULD MAYBE SERVE THE OTHER HALF TIME FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HAYS SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND HOW WE COULD FUND THAT OTHER HALF TIME POSITION, THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY A TWO FULL TIME AND ONE HALF ONE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT POSITION TO COVER THE WHOLE DISTRICT. SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE EVEN ABLE TO JUST GET KYLE SCHOOLS IS JUST INCREDIBLE THAT THAT SALARY IS FUNDED. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS THAT ARE COMING OUT FOR SUBSTANCE USE SERVICES, BUT MOSTLY AROUND THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC, WHICH WE DEFINITELY KNOW IN KYLE. WE NEED WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT THE ACTUAL GRANTS RIGHT NOW TO GET A STAFF MEMBER SALARIED, VERY LIMITED, THERE ARE MOSTLY CONTRACTS. WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE STATE FOR FEE FOR SERVICE REIMBURSEMENT, WE ROLL IT IN WITH MENTAL HEALTH FOR CO-OCCURRING MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS AND FUND SOME OF THEIR SALARIES THROUGH THAT, AND THEN WE ALSO WORK WITH BELL TEXAS FOR MEDICATION ASSISTED TREATMENT IN HAYS COUNTY, TO FUND A SALARY FOR THOSE ADULTS OVER 18, SO FUNDING FOR A SALARY TO JUST SAY, GO DO YOUR JOB REGARDLESS OF WHETHER SOMEONE HAS INSURANCE OR MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT OR NOT, JUST LET'S GET THESE THESE SERVICES OUT THERE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OPIOID USE. LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW TO PREVENT OVERDOSE. LET'S LET'S GET THOSE, THOSE VOICES HEARD AND THOSE TREATMENT SERVICES OUT THERE, THIS IS THIS IS GREAT. THIS IS FANTASTIC, BUT, YEAH, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE CHARTER SCHOOLS WERE DEFINITELY WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND PROVIDE THOSE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR A WHILE WITH DOCTOR WATSON AND MARISA. ABOUT THE, THE IMPACT SCHOOL, THE, THE OTHER SCHOOL SETTINGS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES IN. SO WE WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE HOW DO WE SERVE WITH JUST NOT BEING SO LIMITING. BUT WE DO WANT TO RESPECT THAT. THE FUNDS WERE PARTICULARLY FOR CITY OF KYLE RESIDENTS. AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE MY POINT IS. LIKE, I KNOW, I KNOW, I HAVE A LIST OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE REALLY AGAINST THIS BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A JOB FOR THE SCHOOL OR THIS IS A JOB FOR THE COUNTY. AND SO IN RESPECT TO THEIR, TAXES THAT ARE PAYING FOR THIS SERVICE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED TO RESIDENTS OF KYLE. I DON'T WANT TO NOT DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THE REST OF HAYS COUNTY, BUT, WHAT I WOULD HATE IS FOR ONE KID THAT DOES NOT LIVE IN KYLE AND GO AND SCAN THE QR CODE IS LIKE, SORRY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WILL BE PREVENTING THAT. SO I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY WE HAVE OPTIONS FOR OTHER SERVICE DELIVERY OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL BASED SETTING, MICHELLE, HERE IS OUR CLINIC DIRECTOR, YEAH. YEAH I WAS GOING TO STEP IN AND ANSWER A LITTLE BIT THAT HILL COUNTRY IS THE LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH AUTHORITY WILL NEVER DENY SERVICES TO SOMEONE WHO SHOWS A CLINICAL NEED FOR THAT. SO IF THEY LIVE IN BUDA AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, WE I MEAN, IF THERE'S ROOM AND SPACE FOR IT FOR THIS CLINICIAN TO TAKE ON THAT PERSON, THEN THEY MAY END UP SERVING THAT PERSON. BUT REALLY WE HAVE A NETWORK OF CLINICIANS ACROSS A 19 COUNTY AREA. SO WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DENY SERVICES TO SOMEONE WHO NEEDS IT. IT MIGHT NOT BE IN THIS SETTING OR WITH THIS POSITION, BUT WE WILL SERVE THAT PERSON IF THERE'S A NEED. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN. AND SO THE NEXT QUESTION AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING, HOW ARE WE DOING THE FOLLOW UPS. LIKE IS THIS GOING TO BE LIKE IF SOMEBODY NEEDS HELP, IS THERE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF FOLLOW UPS YOU WILL DO OR THIS IS GOING TO BE A TREATMENT UNTIL THEY. YEAH. GOOD QUESTION. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY INDIVIDUALIZED TO THE NEED, AND DEFINITELY SINCE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL, THE COUNSELORS AT THE SCHOOL, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS. THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT EACH STUDENT HAS THOSE NEEDS BEING MET, AND IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO VARY. I MEAN, WE KNOW TREATMENT PROTOCOLS. WE KNOW WHAT KINDS OF EDUCATION AND INFORMATION AND SUPPORT, BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY YOU ONLY GET THREE VISITS. IT'S GOING TO REALLY DEPEND. THAT'S WHY WE DO THE CHECK INS ON THE TREATMENT PLAN AND THE DISCHARGE PLAN. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THAT END GOAL OF, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE GOING? WHAT ARE WE WORKING FOR? WHERE ARE WE? WHAT IS OUR END GOAL? FOR SOME, IT'S ABSTINENCE,

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YOU KNOW, NOT USING AT ALL. AND FOR SOME IT'S BEING SAFE AND IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT THAT NEED IS. AND SO WHAT WOULD BE THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 2026? BECAUSE WE I KNOW WE JUST APPROVED THE 100,000. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BUT THAT WAS JUST UNTIL LIKE TWO WEEKS, WE APPROVED THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS THE COST FOR THE STAFF MEMBER FOR A FULL FISCAL YEAR, OR A FULL A FULL 12 MONTH PERIOD, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SLIGHT EXPENSES WITH COST OF LIVING THAT MIGHT INCREASE THAT WE DON'T HAVE. I THINK I'D HAVE TO PULL BACK THE INFORMATION TO SEE WHAT WE ESTIMATED. WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE WON'T HAVE THE INITIAL START UP COSTS, THAT ARE WERE BUILT INTO THAT, THAT INITIAL CONTRACT AMOUNT. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY AROUND THAT SAME AMOUNT. AND WHAT WE HAVE IS A CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR, FOR ONE YEAR AND WITH OPTIONS TO RENEW AS WE MOVE FORWARD, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WE HAVEN'T BEEN LOCKED INTO A THREE YEAR CONTRACT OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. OKAY. THANK YOU, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MAYOR PRO TEM? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY, ROSIE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING EVERYBODY TOGETHER. SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, EVERYONE. WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO COUNCIL, I WAS, A LITTLE APPREHENSIVE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE COLLECTIVE TEETH NOW. AND REALLY EXCITED THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AND WITH ALL THE PARTNERSHIPS. THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER, THE OTHER THING IS OUR KIDS, I MEAN, IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN OUR KIDS, JUST THIS PAST WEEK, WE HAD A REPORT OF SOMETHING THAT HAYS HIGH SCHOOL AND MAYBE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. WHO KNOWS? BUT WHEN YOU INVEST IN YOUR CHILDREN, I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT. AND MAYBE THIS SETS THE PRECEDENT FOR THE NEXT CITY NEXT TO US, SAN MARCOS, BUDA. IF YOU'RE WATCHING, INVEST IN YOUR KIDS. MENTAL HEALTH IS IMPORTANT. AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING ON IN OUR SCHOOLS IS REALLY REAL. I MEAN, WE JUST SAW IT THIS PAST WEEK, SO ANYTIME WE INVEST IN KIDS AND I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TOGETHER. THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING TOGETHER. AND I HOPE YOU ALL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN EXPAND THIS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. YES, DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT IN THE WORKS AND THE PROCESS. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. AND I DID WANT TO JUST SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED WITH HAYS COUNTY, WITH HILL COUNTRY AND WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN HONESTLY A LOT OF FUN TO GET TO KNOW THE ENTITIES AND TO SEE US ALL COMING TOGETHER AROUND THIS. SO I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION. YEAH. I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, IT IS A, YOU KNOW, GOOD TO SEE HOW THIS PROGRAM CAME TOGETHER AS MR. RIZZO SAID, I DID HAVE THOSE EARLY RESERVATIONS, BUT IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY A KID WHO YOU KNOW MIGHT HARM HIM, HARM HIMSELF, OR HARM OTHERS, AND INTER, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT INTERVENTION EARLY, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OUT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM. MAYOR JUST LASTLY LIKE COUNCIL LIKE THANK YOU GUYS FOR GREENLIGHTING THIS. AND WE TOOK A COUPLE DIFFERENT VOTES AND HAD SOME VERY SPIRITED DIALOG. AND, YOU KNOW, SUBSIDIZE CARE FOR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT SOMETHING CITIES OF OUR SIZE TYPICALLY DO. AND, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR, FOR MAKING THIS A REALITY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY

[VII) Consent Agenda]

ITEMS THEY WISH TO HAVE PULLED OFF AND DISCUSSED? I THOUGHT WE WERE BRINGING THE OTHERS UP SO THAT THE NEXT ONE COMES AFTER IT'S PUSHED THEM UP TO THEIR ITEMS. SO I WAS I SAID IT'D BE AFTER THE CONSENT IF WE WANT TO JUST ARE THERE PARTICULAR ITEMS WE WANT TO PULL OUT AND DISCUSS? I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL QUESTION ON SEVEN, OKAY. YOU WANT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK IT NOW? SURE.

ALL RIGHT, ALRIGHTY. THIS IS THE VIKING CONSTRUCTION, AND IT JUST BASICALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE NOTIFICATIONS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, SO I, ONE OF THE ROADS THAT I SEE THAT WE'RE DOING, LEON, IS GOING TO BE, IT'S A MICROSOFT THING WHERE WE COULD WORK ON THE ROADWAYS.

NUMBER THREE FILATIMA, I CERTIFIED A PARKWAY, NUMBER ONE, DO WE HAVE A TIME ESTIMATED DATE WHERE WE'LL DO THAT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO MAJOR SCHOOLS IN THAT AREA. WE'VE GOT IDEA AND THAT'S AND ALSO WE GOT FUENTES. SO AND I KNOW THAT THEY'LL PROBABLY CUT OFF HALF THE STREET TO BE ABLE TO DO IT AND BLOCK IT OFF. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADVISE OR GIVE THE PERFECT,

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DETOURS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PARK TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS. AND SO AND THEN ALSO WITH THE BUSSES THAT LEAVE OUT, JUST KIND OF GIVING AN IDEA IF, IF IT COULD BE DONE DURING THE HOLIDAY BREAK OR THE WEEKEND OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHERE YOU STAND OR WHERE THE, THE DIRECTION WOULD BE ON THAT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BARBARA CITY ENGINEER, COUNCIL MEMBER DOBIAS. THE PLAN IS TO COVER THIS MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR'S RESURFACING. WE PROBABLY WON'T BE DOING ANY RESURFACING THIS LATER. LATER DURING THIS YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER, SO IT'LL PROBABLY HAPPEN SOMETIME AROUND THE SPRING OR SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. AND IF COUNCIL RECALLS WE HAVE ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENCUMBER FOR ADDITIONAL MICRO SURFACING. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY HEFTY AMOUNT OF RESURFACING. WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING NEXT YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON LETTING OUR PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S COMING, AND OUR CITIZENS KNOW WHAT'S COMING, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE INVOLVED AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO IT'S A PRETTY MAJOR PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR. OKAY GREAT. YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'D BE AN IDEAL THING TO CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE SCHOOLS IF, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, DOING IT DURING SPRING OR DURING SPRING BREAK OR DOING IT AT THE BEGINNING OF SUMMER WHERE YOU HAVE NONE OF THAT SCHOOL TRAFFIC, IT COULD JUST BE A CONSIDERATION ON THE ON THOSE END. BUT I AM GLAD THAT WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF THOSE DONE, ESPECIALLY, EAST. KYLE, YOU GOT IT DONE. AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, BEEBE ROAD GOT REDONE AGAIN. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS, IF YOU'LL NOTICE, MOST OF THOSE ROADS ARE THE FIRST BOND PROGRAM THAT WE HAD, I'VE NOTICED A LITTLE BIT OF STRESS IN SOME OF THOSE ROADS. SO THIS IS A PERFECT TIME FOR US TO BE HITTING THOSE ROADS, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE SOME CRACKING ON SOME OF THE ROADS ALREADY. SO, BUT I DO LIKE TO DO THIS WORK DURING THE SUMMER AND PREFERABLY WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE GET A BETTER SURFACE AND IT SETS UP FASTER. ALSO YES, IT SURE DOES. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S ALL I HAD, SIR. COUNCILMEMBER ZUNIGA, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER NINE. AND THEN I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION. ABOUT EIGHT AND 11. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE EIGHT AND 11? 11. LEON, I'LL NEED YOU BACK. AND, AND EIGHT. YOU CAN JUST ASK THEM BOTH IS BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH.

YEAH SO EITHER 11, 11. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, BUT, I SAID IT LAST WEEK AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN, I REALLY DON'T THINK PERSONALLY THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP AROUND THE CREEK BASINS. SO I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH FOR COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THE DAMAGE TO THE ENVIRONMENT. THE COST OF POLLUTION IN OUR CREEK BASIN, WHICH ADDS A COST TO OUR TREATMENT PLANTS AND WASTEWATER PLANTS OR WASTEWATER SYSTEMS AND IS A PRICE TO DEVELOP INCREMENTALLY AROUND THESE CREEK BASINS, WORTH THE LOSS OF NATURE OF THINGS THAT WE CANNOT MAKE.

WELL, SO THAT'S A THIS IS, TO ME, AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN. SO IT'S A POLITICAL COMMENT. THEY GAVE THEIR EXPLANATION AT THE LAST MEETING. THE EXPLANATION IS UNDERSTOOD. IT'S A IT'S A BASELINE FROM THE CENTER POINT OF THE OF THE CREEK, IRRESPECTIVE OF GEOGRAPHY AND TOPOGRAPHY. SO IF YOU'RE IF THE CLAIM IS THAT THAT'S ACCURATE, THEN YOUR COMMENTS WOULD BE WELL, WELL, WELL SAID. BUT WHAT THEY'VE SAID IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONTOURS AND THE ACTUAL CREEK FLOW, THAT REALLY WHAT WHAT THIS PARTICULAR OUTLINED MAP DOES IS TAKE AREAS THAT ARE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND PUTS THEM IN THE RIGHT SPOT, RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE A VARIANCE WAY OF DOING THIS. AND A CASE BY CASE IF NEEDED, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON. WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE OUR CODES OR WHATEVER. WE CAN LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND LET PEOPLE ASK FOR VARIANCES. CASE BY CASE. OKAY. NUMBER EIGHT. SO DO WE NEED A VOTE ON 11? NO. YOU JUST SAID YOU HAD A COMMENT TO MAKE. NO I SAID I WAS GOING TO PULL. THAT WAS NUMBER NINE. YOU SAID TO PULL NUMBER NINE. THAT WAS NUMBER NINE I BELIEVE HE WAS COMMENTING. THAT WAS NUMBER NINE THAT YOU JUST HAD. OKAY. WELL, I DIDN'T READ NUMBER NINE. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING NUMBER NINE. THAT'S MY FAULT. NUMBER NINE I PULLED. SO DO WE NEED A I THINK YOU WOULD CONSIDER IT. YEAH. YOU PULLED NINE. SO WE'LL PIN THAT FOR IN A SECOND. LET'S DO EIGHT AND 11 FOR NOW. YOU SAID YOU HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE. SO BACK TO EIGHT. THE COMMUNITY GARDENS. NOW I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, BUT I DID NOT SEE IN THE SLIDES, MR. LOPE, WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE ENFORCEMENT IF PEOPLE VANDALIZED OR DAMAGED OTHER PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, PLOTS IN THE, IN THE WOULD THEY REDEFINE OR WOULD THERE BE LIKE, NO LONGER WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY GARDEN PROGRAM. SO COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WOULD BE ON

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A CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE ISSUE AT HAND. IN SOME CASES, I MEAN, IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, RANGE FROM A CONVERSATION OR REMINDER OF RULES. ALSO, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ORIENTATION INVOLVED FOR EVERY EVERYONE WHO GETS A PLOT. SO WE BECOME REALLY FAMILIAR AND WE HOPE WE MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THAT. BUT, OCCASIONALLY WE MIGHT HAVE TO ISSUE SOME REMINDER, SOME FORM OF RESTITUTION. MAYBE IN SOME CASES, IF THERE'S AN ACT OF VANDALISM, IT'LL JUST VARY, RIGHT? BECAUSE BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL INVEST A LOT OF THEIR TIME AND RESOURCES TO PLANT THEIR CROPS. AND I THINK YOU HAD THERE WAS IN THERE LIKE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S AREAS. SO IF SOMEONE WERE DOING THAT OR VANDALIZING OR YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY IT DOES SAY THAT YOU LOSE YOUR PRIVILEGE, RIGHT? YOU CAN LOSE YOUR PRIVILEGE AND ALSO NOT BE REIMBURSED FOR THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PROVIDED TO HAVE THE PLOT. SO YEAH, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THE PROGRAM WORKING WELL AND HOPEFULLY DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT A BAD EXPERIENCE FOR OTHERS. AND WE THINK ORIENTATION WILL GO A LONG WAY WITH THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT A BIG PROBLEM IN THIS COMMUNITY GARDENS. IT'S REALLY A COOPERATIVE EFFORT, AND I WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ON THE RULES THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO US. THE COMMITTEE REALLY WORKED REALLY HARD ON THOSE RULES AND GOT RULES FROM A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITY GARDENS IN OUR AREA, AND, THEY DID A REALLY THOUGHTFUL AMOUNT OF WORK. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO A RELATED CONCERN ABOUT NUMBER 11. OKAY. AS NUMBER NINE. YEAH AS NUMBER ONE. AS NUMBER EIGHT. SO AGAIN ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT FOR THE CONTINGENCY PLAN. SO, WHEN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS ADOPTED, THAT WILL GO INTO THE CODE AND THERE WILL BE CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR VIOLATION. YEAH. I WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT IS THE CONTINGENCY PLAN LIKE, WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE? WE'RE GOING TO SLOW DOWN ANY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER, WHAT WHAT REALLY IS THE CONTINGENCY? ARE WE GOING TO SLOW DOWN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT SPOKE TO THAT IN THE IN THE SLIDES. SO MIKE MURPHY DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES, SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS OUR WATER MASTER PLAN. OKAY. SO THIS IS AN ACTUAL, ADDITIONAL TASK ORDER TO THE TO THE WATER MASTER PLAN. SO WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT ALSO ARE A CONSERVATION PLAN. I'M SORRY, THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE TRIGGER TRIGGER MECHANISMS IN THAT PLAN THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THE CITY OF KYLE. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE WE'RE USING THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR ALL OF OUR PROVIDERS OF WATER. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A MATRIX THAT IS THAT IS SPECIFIC TO US, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW AS FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT PART OF IT, THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE PLAN. AND STEVE HAS GOT A VAST AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING THESE TYPE OF TYPE OF PLANS, AND WE MET WITH THEM AS RECENTLY AS LAST WEEK ON IDEAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO START IMPLEMENTING ONCE THIS IS APPROVED. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE THAT THAT COMPONENT IF THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME ENFORCEMENT IN THE CONTINGENCY PLANS. OKAY. THAT'S IT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS THEY WISH TO DISCUSS OR PULL OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS SEVEN THROUGH 18, EXCLUDING NINE.

SECOND, OUR MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM. SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS, THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, SEVEN THROUGH 18, EXCEPT FOR NINE. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS AGENDA

[9) (Second Reading) Consider approval of an ordinance amending Chapter 17, Section 17-24, Methods of Reducing Flood Losses and Nuisance Conditions, of the City of Kyle Code of Ordinances related to stream buffer requirements. City Council voted 6-1 to approve on first reading on 9/3/2024.]

ITEM NUMBER NINE. CONSIDER APPROVE SECOND READING. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 17, SECTION 1724. METHODS OF REDUCING FLOOD LOSSES AND NUISANCE CONDITIONS OF THE CITY OF KYLE. CODE OF ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE STREAM BUFFER REQUIREMENTS. THIS WAS A SIX VOTE AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. I WILL SAY THAT HISTORICALLY, WHENEVER THERE'S SIX ONE VOTES ON FIRST READING, I TRY TO PULL THEM FOR SECOND READING. I JUST MISSED THAT ONE. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE. BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER NINE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY MAYOR. SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL

[27) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding quality-of-life study for people with disabilities in Kyle. ]

OPPOSED? NO. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 1. NOW WE'RE GOING TO PULL UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IN KYLE. MR. ELIZONDO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT I HAVE A PRESENTATION COMING BACK TO YOU ALL. IT'S SOME RESEARCH THAT

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THAT STAFF DID RELATED TO A QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, BUT ALSO ASKING SPECIFICALLY, I THINK WE HAVE NEXT STEPS OF WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO, BUT SPECIFICALLY ASKING AT THE END FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, SOME FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT AT THE VERY END. BUT THE BACKGROUND OF THIS ITEM IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IN AUGUST, AND THE COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO LOOK AT A QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. SO STAFF TOOK IT AND DID SOME RESEARCH. WE'VE DONE RESEARCH NOT NOT ONLY INTO QUALITY OF LIFE STUDIES, BUT ALSO WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE WITH THEM AND HOW THEY'VE UTILIZED THEM. SO JUST TO START THIS STUDY WOULD PROVIDE A QUALITY OF LIFE. STUDY WOULD PROVIDE GREAT INSIGHTS INTO THE SPECIFIC NEEDS AND CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES FACED BY THIS COMMUNITY. A FULL QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY LOOKS WE IDENTIFIED COULD LOOK AT SEVEN DIFFERENT MAJOR BUCKETS, THE FIRST BEING ACCESSIBILITY, WHICH SPEAKS TO PUBLIC SPACE, THE ACCESSIBILITY OF PUBLIC SPACES, TRANSPORTATION AND ONLINE SERVICES FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. THE SECOND MAJOR BUCKET WOULD BE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING, AND THIS IS BASED OFF OF OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE STUDIES THAT WE SAW IN OTHER CITIES. THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING WHICH LOOKS AT AVAILABILITY, AFFORDABILITY AND INCLUSIVITY OF HEALTH CARE AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT'S ANALYZING EMPLOYMENT ACCESS AND WORKPLACE ACCOMMODATIONS.

ANOTHER MAJOR, ANOTHER MAJOR COMPONENT IS SOCIAL INCLUSION AND COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION EDUCATION. LIFELONG LIFELONG LEARNING IS ANOTHER BIG ONE. THAT'S LOOKING AT ACCESS TO EDUCATION AND VOCATIONAL TRAINING AND INCLUSIVE PRACTICES FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, AND THEN HOUSING AND INDEPENDENT LIVING. THE AVAILABILITY, AFFORDABILITY AND SUITABILITY OF ACCESSIBLE HOUSING. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE LAST BUCKET IS RIGHTS AND ADVOCACY, LOOKING AT NOT ONLY THE AWARENESS OF THE RIGHTS, BUT ALSO THE ENFORCEMENT OF LEGAL PROTECTIONS AND PEOPLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ADVOCATE FOR THOSE RIGHTS. SO THOSE ARE SEVEN MAJOR BUCKETS THAT THESE THAT THESE QUALITY OF LIFE STUDIES. LOOK AT ANY OF THERE'S NOW THERE'S TWO STUDIES THAT I'M GOING TO GO OVER IN JUST A SECOND, BUT ANY OF THESE STUDIES, I WANTED TO GIVE A SMALL RUNDOWN OF JUST WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING. RIGHT. SO THERE WOULD BE AN INITIAL EVALUATION OF WHATEVER THIS STUDY IS LOOKING AT. ALL SEVEN OF THOSE BIG BUCKETS, WHATEVER THEY'RE LOOKING AT, THERE WOULD BE AN INITIAL EVALUATION OF IT, CONDUCTING ASSESSMENTS IN WHATEVER AREA THEY'RE LOOKING AT, QUALITY IMPROVEMENT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING, WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING TO HAPPEN AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. AND THEN AN EXTENSIVE DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS, INCLUDING CITIZEN AND COMMUNITY INPUT FROM NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, BUT SPECIFICALLY COMMUNITY AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. AND THEN A SYSTEM DESIGN WHICH WOULD COME OUT AND SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE IT? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHAT ACTIONS, WHAT ACTUAL ACTIONS ARE WE GOING TO TAKE TO REMEDY WHATEVER WHATEVER'S FOUND, WHATEVER STEPS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN. AND THEN MOST, MOST CONSULTANTS WOULD GIVE SOME SORT OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OR TRAINING OF THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS, THE BEST WAY TO ROLL IT OUT. SO HERE, HERE COMES, HERE COMES THE PORTION THAT WE NEED. STAFF NEEDS DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT TWO TYPES OF QUALITY OF LIFE STUDIES. THE FIRST IS A FULL CITY SCOPE STUDY WHERE YOU LOOK AT ALL SEVEN OF THOSE BUCKETS, WHICH IS WHICH IS EXTENSIVE ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. AND THERE ARE CONSULTANTS THAT THAT DO THIS. WHAT WE SAW WAS THIS WAS THIS WAS DONE MOSTLY IN MAJOR CITIES LIKE AUSTIN, HOUSTON, DALLAS. THIS IS THIS IS IT'S THIS IS A GREAT STUDY ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY. BUT IT'S IT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF TIME.

THE ACTION PLAN THAT COMES OUT OF IT TO ROLL IT OUT USUALLY TAKES YEARS. AND THERE'S THE THESE LARGER CITIES USUALLY HAVE DIVISIONS OR DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO TAKING THAT LARGE ACTION PLAN AND ROLLING IT OUT ACROSS THE CITY OVER YEARS. AND SO YOU SEE, AND IT ALSO COSTS QUITE A BIT MORE THAN A STUDY WITH A SMALLER SCOPE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MID-SIZED CITIES OR SMALLER CITIES LIKE ARLINGTON, PLANO, SAN MARCOS, COLLEGE STATION, THESE ONES HAVE DONE THE SAME, THE SAME TYPE OF STUD, QUALITY OF LIFE STUDIES. BUT THEY TOOK THOSE SEVEN BUCKETS AND THEY LIMITED THE SCOPE TO SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC. SO, FOR INSTANCE, A QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY THAT LOOKS AT FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, THAT LOOKS AT PUBLIC SPACES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, SO SPECIFIC TO THE CITY'S FACILITIES, AND HOW THAT HOW THAT RELATES TO THE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WITH WITH DISABILITIES OR COMMUNITY PROGRAMING. SO A QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY WITH THE SCOPE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PROGRAMING WE HAVE IN THE CITY AND HOW INCLUSIVE IT IS. YOU COULD ALSO DO IT FROM A GEOGRAPHICAL AREA. SO YOU COULD SAY A QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY THAT LOOKS AT OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND HOW THAT IS BEST SUITED FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. THE THIS IS GOING THIS IS SPOILER, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL MAINLY BECAUSE THE STUDY THAT COMES OUT OF IT IS SMALLER IN SCOPE AND IT'S MUCH MORE ACTIONABLE WHEN WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SCOPE ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE CAN WE CAN MOVE ON IT QUICKER AND WE CAN WE CAN ROLL IT OUT FASTER TO GET TO GET MORE, FASTER RESULTS. THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS ONCE WE

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HAVE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY WITH A SMALLER SCOPE, WE ROLL IT OUT. WE HAVE THE ACTION PLAN, WE ACT ON IT. WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND PICK ANOTHER QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY. YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN A DIFFERENT AREA. SO THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT KIND OF THE PROS AND THE CONS OF THAT LARGER STUDY IS, YES, YOU DO GET A FULL SCOPE AND A FULL PROGRAM, AND ACTION PLAN FOR THE WHOLE CITY, BUT IT CAN TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO ROLL OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS EXTENSIVE RESOURCES. USUALLY THERE'S YOU PUT COMMITTEES TOGETHER AND ROLL IT OUT OVER YEARS. A SMALLER SCOPE, IT'S A LITTLE IT'S CHEAPER, WHICH REALLY ISN'T. THE CONSIDERATION HERE BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL. WITH COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT IT ALSO IS A SMALLER SCOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE ON AND ACT ON MUCH QUICKER. SO TONIGHT THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE THAT STAFF WOULD GO OUT AND GET AN RFQ WITH SOME OF THESE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE DEFINITELY CONSULTANTS IN THIS AREA. VERY GOOD ONES THAT DO THESE QUALITY OF LIFE STUDIES.

MANY COME OUT OF THE UNIVERSITIES AROUND HERE. THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME GREAT ONES AT TEXAS STATE AT UT, WHICH ARE VERY CLOSE TO HERE, BUT ALSO SOME THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS THAT DO THIS WORK JUST ON THEIR OWN. WE IDENTIFIED MANY OF THEM AND LOOKED INTO A LOT OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY DO. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT COUNCIL WOULD DISCUSS A SMALLER SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE FIRST QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ALL WANT TO GO INTO, WHAT THAT SCOPE WOULD BE, AND THEN STAFF WOULD TAKE THAT SCOPE AND PUT IT INTO AN RFQ AND GET SOME GET SOME QUALIFICATIONS FROM SOME OF THOSE CONSULTANTS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING A CONTRACT TO COUNCIL TO GO LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC SCOPE AND THEN MOVE ON WITH THAT SCOPE TO GET AN ACTION PLAN. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. I WILL CAVEAT ONE THING BEFORE WE JUMP INTO QUESTIONS. STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT THE CURSORY QUALITY OF LIFE STUDY AND HOW IT WOULD BE ROLLED OUT. NO ONE HERE TONIGHT IS AN EXPERT ON WHAT THE ACTUAL STUDY AND QUALITY OF LIFE WOULD BE. WE WOULD NEED A CONSULTANT FOR THAT. SO IF THE QUESTIONS GET VERY DETAILED INTO HOW THE HOW THE STUDY IS ROLLED OUT AND HOW STAFF IS NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT AT THIS TIME. BUT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MAYOR PRO TEM? YEAH, JUST ONE. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS FOR THE STUDY, SINCE WE DIDN'T BUDGET THIS LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT, DOLLAR WISE, FOR A STUDY LIKE THIS? SO THIS IS THIS IS VERY CURSORY. THIS IS VERY BALLPARK, BUT A SMALLER STUDY WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 TO $50,000. AND FOR A FULL CITYWIDE STUDY, THEY CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT HALF $1 MILLION. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT. I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE HALF MILLION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BUDGET 25 TO 50. IT'S A LITTLE MORE ATTAINABLE. BUT YEAH, I, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING SOMETHING HERE, STUDY WISE, TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU POINTED OUT, TOO, IS WE ARE NOT AUSTIN. WE DON'T HAVE THE LARGE BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE. YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THEIR BUDGET PER YEAR AND SEE OURS, I MEAN, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT. THEY'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR PROGRAMING. BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S ATTAINABLE, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IN REAL TIME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE HERE TRYING TO HELP. SO I DEFINITELY THINK A SMALLER SCOPE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO OUR BEST ON STUFF THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY REALLY IMPLEMENT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. COUNCILOR TOBIAS YES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, I THINK WE CAN ALSO UTILIZE THAT WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING OUR PARKS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE PUBLIC SPACES, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOUR PLAYGROUND WITH YOUR, SENSORY PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE HAVE. I THINK WE ALSO DO ALREADY A GOOD JOB WITH OUR COMMUNITY PROGRAMING. I GIVE IT UP TO THE LADIES IN THE BACK WHEN THEY HAVE THE DISABILITY DANCES FOR, FOR VAILLANT, FOR VALENTINE'S DAY AND FOR CHRISTMAS. THOSE THINGS ARE PACKED. IF Y'ALL HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE, Y'ALL SHOULD GO. I'M SERIOUS. DANIELLE AND I, THEY ARE FUN AND YOU SEE SO MANY OF YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT THERE, EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION, MY SON, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT HE HAS AUTISM, BUT HE WAS ABLE TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF KYLE THIS YEAR THROUGH THEM AND PROVIDING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. SO WE'RE STRIVING WE'RE MAKING GROUND. AND OF COURSE, NOW WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH INITIATIVE THAT MR. HISE BROUGHT FORWARD. SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT HAVE DISABILITIES. LET'S JUST CONTINUE TO DO A SURVEY TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. LONG TERM, WHETHER IT'S PROVIDING MORE PARKING SPACES FOR THOSE WHO ARE DISABLED, THAT HAVE DISABLED DISABILITIES WITH WHEELCHAIRS AND WALKERS, I SEE THAT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT CERTAIN AREAS

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LIKE A DOWNTOWN STUDY, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIRS THAT DO HAVE A HARD TIME GOING UP AND DOWN. THESE SIDEWALKS. SO IT'S EVALUATING ALL OF THAT. BUT THEN AGAIN, LET'S GET SOME PUBLIC FEEDBACK IS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE, REACH OUT TO OUR, OUR RESIDENTS. AND I KNOW WE MENTIONED THESE THIS TERM TOWN HALL. YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR RESIDENTS ON A ONE ON ONE BASIS. AND WE CAN GATHER SOME INFORMATION FROM THEM IF THEY COULD PROVIDE THAT AS WELL. AND WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM FROM OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL. SO BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. AND SAME THING WITH YOU, MR. ZUNIGA, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS WELL. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO ECHO, I GUESS, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID. SORRY TO JUMP IN, BUT I THINK A SMALLER SCOPE IS PROBABLY LIKE WHERE WE'D LIKE TO BE. AND I THINK WE DO COVER A LOT OF ASPECTS ALREADY WITH, SO SOME OF THE HOUSING AND THE ACCESSIBILITY, BUT I'D LIKE TO CAPTURE MORE OF THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, THE EDUCATION AND LIFELONG LEARNING TO HELP SUPPORT AND INFORM OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, AND SO AND WE DO A GOOD JOB WITH THE, WITH THE PROGRAMING, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS WHERE WE CAN WE HAVE THESE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, TAILORED TO THE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. SO WE CAPTURE A LOT OF IT. BUT I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FOCUS ON SOME OF THESE THAT I JUST TOUCHED ON. OKAY. BECAUSE THE REST OF IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING WITH THE WITH THE HOUSING. BUT YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC PART AND THE EDUCATION IS WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS WHERE A SUPPORT SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, THAT FOR PARENTS TO, TO NETWORK WITH EACH OTHER AND FOR US TO KIND OF CREATE THAT PLATFORM FOR THEM. BUT THANK YOU. THEY'RE ALL GOOD. THEY'RE ALL VERY GOOD, YOU KNOW, ALL SEVEN. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO THEM ALL. WE DON'T HAVE DEPARTMENTS. ADDITIONAL THOUGHT? MOTIONS WE NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION. YOU SAID ON THE SMALLER SCOPE. YES. IT'S ALREADY ON THERE. I THINK THE DIRECTION CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DIRECTION IS TO LIMIT THE SCOPE AND PROBABLY LIMIT IT TO WHAT THE CITY CAN CONTROL. SO MAYBE SO MAYBE CITY FACILITIES, CITY PROGRAMING, BUT BUT ALSO THE STUFF THAT WE DO WE ARE DOING MAYBE EVALUATE IT, SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER. BUT BUT FROM THE FROM THE SIDE OF WHAT THE CITY IS DOING AND WHAT WE CAN CONTROL. AND THEN MAYBE INTO SOME OF THOSE AREAS LIKE LIFELONG LEARNING AND EDUCATION, THAT MAYBE WE AREN'T LOOKING INTO.

BUT AND MAYBE JUST THAT FIRST EVALUATION WITH THE CONSULTANT WOULD BE REALLY I MEAN, AND HELPFUL TO SEE MAYBE WHERE WE HAVE SOME GAPS. DOES THAT DOES THAT SOUND? YES, SIR. OKAY.

THAT'S HELPFUL. SO DO WE MAKE A MOTION? GO FOR IT. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR RFQ WITH DEFINED SCOPE. SPECIFIC SCOPE TO WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSED UP HERE AT THE DAIS. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED FORWARD. AS DISCUSSED, IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. THANK

[28) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the creation of a City Entity on Aging.]

YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM 28. RECEIVER REPORT DISCUSSION PROVIDES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE CREATION OF A CITY ENTITY ON AGING. MR. SCHMITZ. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AMBER SCHMITZ, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD, SO ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE A CURRENT CITY SPONSORED ORGANIZATION THAT IS TASKED WITH FOCUS ON THE AGING POPULATION. IT IS COMMONPLACE FOR CITIES TO HAVE SUCH OVERSIGHT BODIES. BUDA HAS A COMMISSION ON AGING, A SAN MARCOS HAS A SENIOR CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD, AND THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS A SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON AGING WITH A SUBCOMMITTEE OF AGING TEXAS. WELL, ON AUGUST 20TH, THE COUNCIL TASKED WITH CONDUCTING A STUDY AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF A COMMITTEE ON AGING. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED OPTIONS FOR FORMING A CITY SPONSORED ORGANIZATION OF RESIDENTS AND AN OUTLINE OF POTENTIAL KEY INITIATIVES.

ADDITIONALLY THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONDUCT A STUDY ON THE KYLE'S POPULATION AND NEEDS. SO, PER OUR CITY CODE, WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR THE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES WE PUT ON OUR BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, ETC. AND I LAID THOSE OUT HERE. SO TONIGHT YOU WOULD HAVE OPTIONS TO CREATE A BOARD A COMMITTEE A COMMITTEE IS CREATED BY A RESOLUTION. IT DISSOLVES AFTER ONE YEAR OF CREATION. UPON COMPLETION OF ITS PURPOSE OR UPON ABOLISHMENT OF THE COUNCIL WITH OR WITHOUT CAUSE. AND THEN A TASK FORCE IS CREATED BY RESOLUTION AND MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL FOR A SPECIFIC ACTIVITY. IT CAN BE ONE, 2 OR 3 MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, STAFF, CITIZENS AND SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. THE SCOPE IS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. INCLUDES THE ISSUE STATEMENT, PARAMETERS, DELIVERABLES AND STATUS REPORTS, AND THE DISSOLUTION DATE IS DETERMINED

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AT THE FINAL CREATION DATE OF THAT TASK FORCE. MOST COMMONLY, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IS THE BOARD. IT'S CREATED BY AN ORDINANCE AND MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL. THE ORDINANCE DETERMINES THE SCOPE AND AUTHORITY OF THAT BOARD, THE REASON I AM NOT RECOMMENDING A COMMISSION IS BECAUSE IT HAS PURPOSE AND AUTHORITY DEFINED BY THE LOCAL ORDINANCE AND STATE AND LOCAL LAW. SO THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION ACTING AS A COMMISSION. SO GENERALLY THESE ARE THE TERMS OF OUR BOARD OR COMMISSION. IT'S ONE TERM OF TWO YEARS, MAYBE REAPPOINTED FOR TWO OR MORE TERMS. SO YOU COULD ADOPT THESE TERMS, SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER BOARDS, IF YOU WOULD WISH TO, THESE ARE GENERALLY OUR QUALIFICATIONS. THEY MUST BE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE, BE A CITIZEN OF THE US, BE A QUALIFIED VOTER OF THE CITY, HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE CITY FOR AT LEAST 12 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS AND NOT BE DELINQUENT ON ANY INDEBTEDNESS TO THE CITY. CITY TAXES. HERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL INITIATIVES THAT YOU ALL COULD TASK THIS ENTITY WITH, THESE ARE THE AGING TEXAS WELL ADVISORY COMMITTEE INITIATIVES, AND THEY'RE LISTED OUT AS CAREGIVIN, COMMUNITY SUPPORT, EDUCATION, SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT, ETC. YOU COULD USE THE YOU'LL UTILIZE THE AGING TEXAS WELL STRATEGIC PLAN, AARP HAS RESOURCES AND THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LOCALLY, NATIONALLY THAT HAVE, INITIATIVES FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, AND THEN THIS BOARD, YOU COULD TASK THEM WITH SERVING AS BEING AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGING INITIATIVES. THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A MASTER PLANNING EFFORT, AND THIS COMMITTEE OR BOARD THAT YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH TONIGHT COULD ALSO CHOOSE TO EMBARK ON A PLANNING EFFORT WHERE THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE CITY OF KYLE SPECIFICALLY AND DO A MORE IN-DEPTH COMMUNITY PROFILE OF KYLE. SO WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT KYLE'S NEEDS ARE SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE AGING POPULATION. AND YOU COULD NARROW THOSE INITIATIVES, MORE FOCUSED TO WHAT KYLE NEEDS. SO TONIGHT I'M ASKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH BRINGING FORWARD THE APPROPRIATE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND SUGGESTED BYLAWS. SCOPE SO A COMMITTEE, A BOARD OR A TASK FORCE, DETERMINE THE TERMS AND QUALIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE AGE, RESIDENCY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT YOU SOMETIMES SELECT FOR YOUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS A SPECIALIZED SKILL OR BACKGROUND. SO LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS A MICROBUSINESS, REPRESENTATIVE ARTS AND CULTURAL BOARD HAS ART ARTISTS, ARTISTS ON THEIR BOARD, SO YOU COULD ALSO ADD THAT IN AS A QUALIFICATION FOR ONE OR ALL OF YOUR MEMBERS, YOU CAN KEEP AND MODIFY THE KEY INITIATIVES THAT WERE OUTLINED, OR YOU CAN IMPROVE ON THOSE, ADD THEM. YOU COULD DIRECT STAFF TO ISSUE AN RFQ TO COMPLETE A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY TO OBTAIN AN IN-DEPTH COMMUNITY PROFILE TO ASSIST IN DETERMINING THE KEY INITIATIVES THAT YOU WANT THE GROUP TO FOCUS ON, AND THEN ANY OTHER COUNCIL DIRECTION YOU WANT WITH REGARD TO THIS ENTITY. ALL RIGHT. DO Y'ALL HAVE THOUGHTS? I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS BACK TO US, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT WE RECOMMEND A COMMISSION BOARD ON AGING SO THAT IT BE A MORE PERMANENT BOARD, THAT IT HAVE QUALIFICATIONS RELATED TO AGE OVER THE AGE OF 55. RESIDENCY.

AND KYLE, I DON'T THINK WE PARTICULARLY NEED SPECIALIZED SKILLS OR BACKGROUND, BUT AS WE REVIEW THE APPLICANTS, THOSE MIGHT BE CONSIDERED, SEVEN MEMBER BOARD IS STANDARD FOR US.

AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO AN RFQ FOR A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY AT THIS TIME. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE MIGHT WANT TO RECOMMEND IN THE FUTURE. AFTER LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE DEFINED AS ISSUES THEY MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS, 55 IS THAT THE NUMBER WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH? HEY, I QUALIFY. DO YOU HAVE GRAY HAIR? I GOT MY HAIR. SO I GOT MY AARP MOTION ON IT. UNLESS WE WANT TO KEEP DISCUSSING IT. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED FORWARD

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WITH THE CREATION OF A COMMITTEE ON AGING AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO FOLLOW THE CITY'S BOARDS AND COMMISSION POLICY, ESTABLISHING THE COMMITTEE BE SEVEN MEMBER PANEL AND MEET ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS, AND HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE MINIMUM AGE FOR THE COMMITTEE BE 55. SECOND, ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGH. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. ALL

[31) Consider directing the City Manager to remove building permit fees associated with the construction of ADA ramps.]

RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. ITEM NUMBER 31 THAT I WANT TO TAKE A BREAK AND TELL EVERYONE TO GO OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE ARE SEVEN MINUTES, NINE MINUTES AWAY FROM THE LAST LUNAR ECLIPSE PIECE OF IT. SO I'VE HAD IT ON MY THING. SO JUST KNOW I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL DO AGENDA ITEM 31. CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO REMOVE BUILDING PERMIT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADA RAMPS. COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS YES, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE PAST ON THAT, THE PERMIT FEES FOR RAMPS AREN'T PARTICULARLY EXCESSIVE AS FAR AS CITY PERMIT FEES ARE CONSIDERED, BUT THEY ARE EXCESSIVE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM. ORDINARILY HAVING TO COME DIRECTLY OUT OF THE POCKET OF THE PERSON WHO IS AFFECTED BY NEEDING A RAMP. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ELIMINATE THAT FROM OUR FEE STRUCTURE, THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING RAMPS. SECOND, A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM THAT WE, ELIMINATE THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADA RAMPS. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK. THEY STILL HAVE TO APPLY. THEY STILL HAVE TO GET EVERYTHING APPROVED BY THE CITY. SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT BUILDING JUNK OUT THERE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. RAMPS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. WE'RE GOING TO BREAK UNTIL, 950. SO 950 AND I'M GOING TO CALL THIS

[19) Consider approval of a resolution establishing a Property Improvement Program and authorizing an agreement with Austin Habitat for Humanity for a pilot program to implement the Property Improvement Program.]

MEETING BACK TO ORDER, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT WITH AUSTIN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR A PILOT PROGRAM TO IMPLEMENT THE PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

MISS MCCOLLUM. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MELISSA MCCOLLUM CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS ITEM, BACK TO YOU THIS EVENING. WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT IN, IT'S FUNNY, I WAS BACK THERE AND ROSIE WAS LIKE, MAKE SURE YOU PUSH THE BUTTON RIGHT ON THE SCREEN. AND THEN. OKAY ANYWAYS, BACK IN MAY, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE PRIVATE PROPERTIES FOR MAINTENANCE. AND, HONESTLY, COMPLIANCE, POTENTIAL COMPLIANCE WE DO HAD SOME AVAILABLE FUNDING IN THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR BUDGET FOR PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS AND LINK UP WITH AUSTIN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TO IMPLEMENT A HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.

SO AUSTIN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY CURRENTLY OPERATES A HOME REPAIR PROGRAM. THEY'RE NOT NEW TO THIS BUSINESS. THEY'RE DOING IT IN THE AREA AND THE REGION ALREADY. SO REALLY, I REACHED OUT TO THEM TO LEAN ON THEM AND SOME OF THEIR COLLABORATORS THAT THEY HAVE. THEY CURRENTLY OPERATE THIS PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, AS WELL AS SEVERAL SURROUNDING COUNTIES. AND ACTUALLY, WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THEM, WE REALIZED THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE 40 PEOPLE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT AND SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS THROUGH THEIR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM FOR IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY OF KYLE. THANKS THANK YOU, SO KIND OF TYPICAL TYPES OF REPAIRS. I PULLED THIS DIRECTLY FROM THE WEBSITE. THEY ARE VARIED AND CAN RANGE AGAIN. THEY HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED INTO THE ELIGIBILITY OF THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY APPLIED AND ARE CURRENTLY ON THE WAITING LIST, BUT THIS IS GENERALLY A LOOK AT SOME OF THEIR TYPES OF REPAIRS. NEXT SLIDE, SO THEY ALREADY HAVE ESTABLISHED ELIGIBILITY GUIDELINES. I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN PLUG IN AND PLAY INTO THEIR PROGRAM. THEY, THEY IT NEEDS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED. MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, YOU HAVE TO BE 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. AND ACTUALLY THIS

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PIE GRAPH REALLY KIND OF SHOWS, WHAT WE'VE HAD HERE IN THE CITY OF KYLE, JUST OUR CURRENT HOME OWNERSHIP AND RENTER OWNERSHIP. SO WE WOULD HAVE A 67% OF OUR, CITIZENS OR HOUSEHOLDS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM IF THEY MET. OBVIOUSLY, THE OTHER ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, BUT YOU CAN SEE, OUR CURRENT HOUSEHOLDS ARE DIVORCED, DIVERSE IN REGARDS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT TWO THIRDS HOMEOWNERS AND ABOUT ANOTHER THIRD OF RENTERS. NEXT SLIDE. SO AS I MENTIONED BRIEFLY, THEY HAVE 4848 CURRENT HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE HAVE REQUESTED REPAIRS IN THE CURRENT GUIDELINES OF THE PROGRAM, THE HOUSEHOLDS ARE SMALLER. THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE OF TWO FOR FROM THOSE 48 THAT HAVE REQUESTED REPAIRS. AND THEN MORE THAN, 80% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THE HOUSE, ONE OF THE CITIZENS IN THEIR HOUSE ARE 60% OR OLDER, AND THEN 65% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS HAVE SOMEONE WITH A DISABILITY THAT HAVE ALREADY APPLIED FOR THIS PROGRA. THIS LIST HERE IS REALLY THE LIST THAT THOSE 48 HOUSEHOLDS HAVE REQUESTED REPAIR FOR. NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE HABITAT PROGRAM IS WE'RE ABLE TO LEAN ON THEIR CURRENT COLLABORATORS THAT THEY HAVE WITHIN THE PROGRAM ALREADY. SO THEY WORK WITH THE HOME DEPOT, THE VETERANS AFFAIRS. SO THROUGH SOME OF THE FUNDING AND OTHER MECHANISMS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE REALLY ABLE TO PULL IN THEIR PARTNERS. AND WE'RE HOPING TO HELP UTILIZE SOME OF THAT TO THEIR CURRENT PROGRAM, REALLY KIND OF LIMITS OUT OUR RANGES.

AT 20 K, WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM WITH THIS YEAR TOP OUT AT OURS AT LIKE 10,000 PER HOUSEHOLD. AND OF COURSE, WE'LL LIMIT THOSE THAT WE PARTNERSHIP WITH THOSE FOR THE FOR THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE WITHIN THE KYLE CITY LIMITS. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK WITH YOU AND SEE GET YOUR FEEDBACK ABOUT, ASKING A HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TO WORK WITH US TO HELP, WITH THIS HOME REPAIR PROGRAM. AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THERE. WE'RE GOING TO, STILL WORK ON MAKING A LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE ASSISTANCE AND SERVICES, KNOWING THAT AUSTIN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HAS A LOT OF THOSE NETWORK ALREADY, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO KIND OF EXPAND OUR NETWORKS AND LEADS WITHIN, KYLE AND HAYS COUNTY. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN WE'LL WORK TO, LET PEOPLE KNOW IF THIS PROGRAM IS INSTITUTED, THAT THEY COULD APPLY FOR THIS. AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO WORK ON THIS. FOR, HELPING NOT ONLY WITH OUR HOME REPAIR, BUT FOR PROGRAMS AND MAINTENANCE. SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DIRECT STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM, HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS FOR US TO DO ON THE PROGRAM OR, SOMETHING ELSE ALTOGETHER? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MAYOR PRO TEM? YEAH.

MAYOR YEAH, DEFINITELY. I LIKE THE PROGRAM. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FORGETTING ON THE ELEMENT HERE WAS, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES THAT WERE ABANDONED, THEY WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT TAKING DOWN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING, AND IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN FIND A WAY TO DO THAT, WE'RE STILL IMPLEMENTING OPTION ONE. I'D LOVE TO SEE IT, BECAUSE, I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF STRUCTURES IN KYLE RIGHT NOW WHERE THE RESIDENTS HAVE REACHED OUT TO US, SEE IF THERE'S ANY ASSISTANCE TO TAKE DOWN THOSE OLD, DILAPIDATED, HOUSES. AND, WE'RE NOT I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. NO, NO KIND OF PROGRAM, BUT, GREAT WORK. I LIKE THE PRESENTATION, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO INCORPORATE THAT, I'D LOVE IT. YOU MAY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. SO WITH THAT MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THAT THE CITY TRIES TO IMPLEMENT SOME KIND OF, FUNDING PROGRAM TO ASSIST THOSE THAT HAVE, BUILDINGS THAT ARE DAMAGED OR THAT ARE OLD OR IS IT DO OR SOMETHING THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT? CORRECT? I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF ONE RIGHT NOW JUST ON MARTINEZ LOOP THAT'S BURNED DOWN A WHILE BACK. THERE'S ABOUT THREE WALLS STILL STANDING IN THE ROOF. BUT I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE DOWN. THEY'VE ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE, BUT, I MEAN, WE'RE I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ANY PROGRAMS RIGHT NOW THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK TO LIVE IN THAT STRUCTURE. NO, NO, NO, IT NEEDS TO GO DOWN. IT'S JUST DEMOLISHING AN UNUSUAL.

YEAH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD. IT'S A IT'S PROBABLY GOT RODENTS IN IT. IT'S DANGEROUS. AND YOU WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY ACTUALLY GOING IN THERE AND FALLING DOWN. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT KIDS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, SO YOU JUST NEVER KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD. I DON'T THINK HABITAT FOR HUMANITY WOULD BE. NO THEY WOULDN'T, THAT'S WHY.

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BUT BUT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT STRUCTURES LIKE THAT AND OVERGROWN GRASS AS WELL. WELL, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVING THOSE KINDS OF STRUCTURES AS A CITY. THAT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO STRUCTURES THAT ARE IF IT'S A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE THAT ARE DANGEROUS TO COMMUNITIES, KIDS, WHATEVER, IT WOULD HAVE TO. AND USUALLY WE ADD A FEE. WE ASSESS A FEE TO A LEAN TO THE PROPERTY. SO WHOEVER THAT PROPERTY IS SOLD, WE WOULD GET REIMBURSED. I MEAN, THIS HAPPENS WITH MOWING YARDS THAT ARE OVERGROWN. I MEAN, THERE'S A CODE TO CLEAR TITLE. YOU HAVE TO CLEAR ANY, ANY FEES. BUT I WORRY ABOUT PUTTING A LIEN ON SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE ARE BARELY MAKING ENDS MEET. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT SCARES ME, TOO. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK A BIT TO, LIKE, THE BEAUTIFICATION PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE WORKED ON A BIT, BUT BUT THAT'S WHAT THOSE WERE. SOME OF THE ISSUES I WAS TRYING TO REFERENCE OR REFERENCE US BACK TO. BUT BUT I AGREE. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. RIZZO. OKAY I THINK, YOU KNOW, REMOVING DANGEROUS STRUCTURES IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS. WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE COME BACK WITH SOME KIND OF WAY TO AUGMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN TRYING TO HAVE HAVE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS IS.

NO, I'M NOT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT HABITAT COMMITTEE. BUT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THE EARLY CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE FUNDING HERE WAS ALSO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OVERGROWN GRASS AND DANGEROUS BUILDINGS AND SOME THAT WAS THE EARLY CONVERSATIONS WE HAD. THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM, BUT IT DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING THAT WE GAVE DIRECTION TO. YEAH, WELL, MAYBE WE MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD THE DIRECTION THAT I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO REPAIR BUILDINGS, NOT NECESSARILY REMOVE THEM. AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE BUT THE MARTINEZ LOOP HOUSE DID COME IN ON THAT CONVERSATION. WE HAD EARLY ON. I MEAN, THE INITIAL FRAMEWORK FOR THIS PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WAS MODELED OFF OF ANOTHER CITY, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS BEFORE YOU TOOK YOUR TOOK YOUR SEAT. I DON'T RECALL CONVERSATIONS, THE CONVERSATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T NOT SAYING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

YEAH. WE WITH ALL THAT SAID, I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, PERHAPS MORE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND, AND PERHAPS ASSISTANCE TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT NOW YOU SCARE ME BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING PROPERTY FROM SOMEONE. WELL, OR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, THEN NOW WE'RE GOING TO START FIGHTING THEM. AND THAT'S NOT WHERE WE WANT TO GO AS A CITY. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS LOOK TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PROGRAM THAT WE COULD ASSIST PEOPLE IF THEY NEEDED ASSISTANCE WITH THAT. BUT IF THERE IS A TRULY DANGEROUS STRUCTURE THAT SOMEONE CAN BE HARMED WITH, IF IT FALLS DOWN OR COLLAPSES, IT DOES NEED TO BE REMOVED. PERIOD. AND THERE'S A WAY LET US SPEND SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WAS CERTAINLY IN MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. I DON'T THINK IN MELISSA'S TRAIN OF THOUGHT, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE CAN COME BACK WITH IT. I JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE TODAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, DISCUSSION. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM AS PROPOSED AND COLLABORATE WITH AUSTIN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER HEIZER, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS THAT WE APPROVE.

AGENDA ITEM 19. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILOR TOBIAS? SO, IF IN THE EVENT THIS PASSES, WHICH I'M SURE IT PROBABLY WILL. SO. RIGHT HERE, IT'S WILL WE GET ANY KIND OF UPDATES IF WE GET APPLICANTS THAT APPLY FOR THIS AND WE CAN GET FOLLOW UPS LIKE YOU KNOW, THIS WILL COME BACK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, SAY, HEY, WE GOT THREE APPLICANTS AND THIS IS THE REPAIRS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BECAUSE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT A PROGRAM THAT WE START NOW AND WE WORK WITH THEM, WE SEE THERE'S A NEED. LIKE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY. WE JUST WAIVED THE FEES ON THOSE, TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE ABLE TO GET AN UPDATE OF, LIKE, HEY, THIS IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE IMPLEMENTED. YOU GUYS, YOU SAID YES TO. SO FAR, WE'VE REPAIRED SEVEN HOMES, WATER LEAKS, THIS AND THAT, THE OTHER. AND IT'S WORKING. AND YOU KNOW, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING NEXT YEAR WE INCREASE IT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY SO WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK TO PROVIDE YOU SOME FEEDBACK REGARDING NOT ONLY THE NUMBER OF HOMES. I'M HOPING THAT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO A GOOD PILOT YEAR AND DO THAT. BUT BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THERE'S ALREADY 48 ON THIS. THIS WAITING LIST. AGAIN, ALL OF THEM HAVEN'T BEEN VETTED AGAINST KIND OF THE CRITERIA RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST WE NEED THIS THIS HELP. SO THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT CRITERIA. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'LL ABSOLUTELY REPORT BACK WITH WITH HOW MANY HOMES WE WERE

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ABLE TO HELP. AND THEN, AND THEN I'M HOPING IN A, IN A PERFECT WORLD WE'LL WITH THIS COLLABORATION AND SOME OTHER STUFF THAT EITHER HABITAT CAN CAN KIND OF STRETCH OUR DOLLARS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, OR WE'LL BE ABLE TO PICK UP OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO REACH OUT TO, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP AS WELL, BECAUSE WE CAN BREAK IT DOWN LIKE WE SEE A LARGE THIS NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT HAD PLUMBING ISSUES VERSUS PESTS AND RODENT ISSUES. AND THEN WE CAN ALSO MAYBE ADDRESS THAT AS A CITY LEVEL. HEY, THAT'S WHERE CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN WE NEED TO WORK AT. YEP. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS OH GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. AND ALSO THESE, MANY OF THESE HOMES WOULD QUALIFY FOR CDBG SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO USE CDBG FUNDS IN COMING YEARS FOR THAT? YES. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE. I THINK AUSTIN HABITAT HONESTLY HAS HAD SOME ISSUES WITH USING CDBG FUNDS IN THE PAST WITH THEIR OTHER COUNTIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY'VE WORKED IN JUST BASED ON, LIKE THE DAVIS-BACON FUNDING AND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES GOING WITH WITH UTILIZING SOME OF THAT FUNDING. SO THEY'VE REALLY REACHED OUT TO, TO MORE HOSPITAL TYPE GROUPS AND OTHER GROUPS. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION. WE'LL LOOK INTO. AND YOU KNOW, COUNCIL BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT IS THE DATA I MEAN MAKING SURE WE GET THE NUMBERS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'VE HELPED, WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND MAKING SURE SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WE KNOW HOW TO FUND IT. AND IF WE NEED TO ADD TO IT AS WELL. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL. SO THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

[20) Consider approval of a resolution to submit the City Council's nominations to serve on the Board of Directors of the Hays Central Appraisal District.]

NAY. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 1. NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO SUBMIT THE CITY COUNCIL'S NOMINATIONS. TO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE HAYS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. MR. MOHIT. MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM. COUNCIL MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, I'M PERVEZ MOHI, CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. IT'S TIME AGAIN. COUNCIL FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS NOMINATION FOR THE HAYS CAT OR HAYS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. SO I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH REAL QUICK THE PROCESS. THE OPTIONS AND THE TIME FRAME. SO THE CITY OF KYLE HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE CHIEF APPRAISER OF HAYS CAD FOR CITY COUNCIL'S NOMINATIONS TO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE HAYS CAD, THE RECENTLY AMENDED TAX CODE REQUIRES THAT APPRAISAL DISTRICTS BE GOVERNED BY NINE DIRECTORS THE NINE DIRECTORS ARE SELECTED AS FOLLOWS FIVE TO BE APPOINTED BY THE TAXING UNITS, THREE TO BE ELECTED BY MAJORITY VOTE AT THE GENERAL ELECTION BY THE VOTERS OF THE COUNTY, AND ONE SEAT IS FOR THE EX-OFFICIO DIRECTOR TO BE SERVED BY THE COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR, ASSESSOR, COLLECTOR. THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THE NOMINATIONS TO THE CHIEF APPRAISER IS BEFORE OCTOBER 15TH, 2024. THE NOMINATION MUST BE SUBMITTED IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NOMINEE. THERE MUST BE A RESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT. MUST HAVE RESIDED IN THE DISTRICT FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS. IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THE DATE THE NOMINEE TAKES OFFICE.

AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S OTHERWISE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD IS NOT INELIGIBLE BECAUSE THEY SERVE ON THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE TAXING JURISDICTION. IN OTHER WORDS, A COUNCIL MEMBER IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD AN EMPLOYEE OF A TAXING UNIT THAT PARTICIPATES IN THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD UNLESS THE INDIVIDUAL IS ON THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE TAXING JURISDICTION. A PERSON MAY NOT SERVE IF THEY'RE ENGAGED IN APPRAISING PROPERTY FOR COMPENSATION IN THE PRECEDING THREE YEARS, OR HAS BEEN AN EMPLOYEE OF THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN THE PRECEDING THREE YEARS. THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE CHIEF APPRAISER WHEN CONSIDERING A NOMINEE, THEY OUGHT TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME EXPERTISE IN BUSINESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEMS, COMPUTERS, ACCOUNTING, FINANCE, REAL ESTATE AND TAXATION. THE TERM OF THE OFFICE TWO DIRECTOR POSITIONS WILL SERVE A ONE YEAR TERM FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2025 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2025. THREE DIRECTOR POSITIONS WILL SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2025 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2027. THEREAFTER ALL APPOINTED DIRECTOR POSITIONS WILL SERVE A FOUR YEAR TERM. THE BOARD MEETINGS. THE HAYS CAT BOARD OF

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DIRECTORS USUALLY MEET ON THE THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT THE DISTRICT OFFICE LOCATED IN KYLE, AND USUALLY THESE MEETINGS START AT 4 P.M. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTES ALLOCATED TO THE CITY OF KYLE, THE ALLOCATION IS BASED ON ACTUAL 2023 TAX LEVY BY EACH UNIT IN HAYS CAD. THE TOTAL VOTES FOR HAYS CAT TAXING UNITS IS 5000. THAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTES THE 2023 TAX LEVY FOR ALL TAXING UNITS WAS 720 MILLION, PLUS THE 2023 TAX LEVY FOR CITY OF KYLE WAS 30.2 MILLION, WHICH GIVES US AN ALLOCATED NUMBER OF VOTES OF 210, OR 4.2% OF THE TOTAL 5000 VOTES. THE KEY DATES AND PROCESS STEPS. THE ELECTION. THE NOMINATION AND ELECTION IS DONE IN TWO STEPS BEFORE OCTOBER FIRST. THE CHIEF APPRAISER REQUESTS TAXING UNITS FOR NOMINATIONS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT BEFORE OCTOBER 15TH. TAXING UNITS SUBMIT NOMINATIONS BY RESOLUTION TO THE CHIEF APPRAISER BEFORE OCTOBER 30TH. CHIEF APPRAISER PREPARES BALLOTS. SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN OCTOBER 15TH AND OCTOBER 30TH, THE COUNCIL HAS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION FOR THE NOMINATION BY OCTOBER 30TH. THE CHIEF APPRAISER PREPARES A BALLOT LISTING CANDIDATES NOMINATED AND SENT TO TAXING UNITS FOR CASTING THEIR ALLOCATED VOTES. BEFORE DECEMBER 15TH, TAXING UNITS CAST THEIR ALLOCATED VOTES AND SUBMIT BY RESOLUTION TO THE CHIEF APPRAISER. THIS IS THE SECOND STEP. THEN, BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST, THE CHIEF APPRAISER COUNCIL VOTES RECEIVED DECLARES THE FIVE CANDIDATES AS ELECTED WHO RECEIVED THE LARGEST NUMBER OF VOTES, AND SINCE THE VOTING RESULTS TO EACH OF THE TAXING UNITS AND THE CANDIDATES AFTER JANUARY FIRST, THE ELECTED BOARD MEMBERS TAKE OATH OF OFFICE AND ELECT OFFICERS. SO THE OPTIONS WE HAVE FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT. OPTION ONE NOMINATIONS BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPROVED THE RESOLUTION TODAY FOR SUBMISSION TO CHIEF APPRAISER BEFORE OCTOBER 15TH OR OPTION TWO.

COUNCIL DOES NOT MAKE ANY NOMINATIONS TO SUBMIT AND WAIT FOR THE BALLOT THAT WILL COME FORTH FROM THE CHIEF APPRAISER TO CAST VOTE BY DECEMBER 14TH, AND OPTION THREE COULD BE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL DECIDE. SO IF WE COULD GET SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE WOULD SURELY APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS LIKE DEJA VU FROM LAST YEAR. YEAH IT'S THE SPIDER-MAN MEME WHERE EVERYONE'S POINTING AT ONE ANOTHER LIKE, WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DO WE DO? WELL, WE GET VERY LITTLE SAY IN WHO WE GET 4% OF A VOTE. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. SO HISTORICALLY WE'VE NORMALLY JUMPED IN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE LION'S SHARE AS A SIGN OF SUPPORT FOR WHO THEY NOMINATE, BECAUSE WHO THEY NOMINATE WILL BE ON THE BOARD. BUT IF YOU WANT TO THROW SOME OTHER NAMES UP THERE, THE IT'S UNLIKELY THAT ANYONE FROM THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS IS GOING TO THROW THEIR VOTES BEHIND WHOEVER WE NOMINATE. UNLESS YOU'VE DISCUSSED WITH THEM SOMETHING. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T, WELL, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF AN ODDBALL THING TO SAY IS THAT THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS WON'T PASS. DEPENDS ON WHO THE NOMINEE IS, RIGHT? IT DOES. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM, THAT PERSON HAS A RAPPORT WITH THOSE JURISDICTIONS. CORRECT. THAT COULD BE IMPORTANT. IT COULD BE.

SO IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY TO THROW IT OUT THERE, I DO NOT CARE EITHER WAY. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MYSELF FOR THE APPOINTMENT. OKAY. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HEIZER, THAT WE NOMINATE ROBERT RUSSO FOR THE HAYS CODE BOARD. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YEAH. YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE MUNICIPALITIES NEED TO HAVE MORE SAY SO IN IN THIS TAXING ENTITY. I MEAN, WE TALK TO RESIDENTS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE TAXES AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE SEE THE HOME EVALUATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO. I FOUND THAT OUT LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS TRYING TO CONTEST SOMETHING. IT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENED, WITH MY PROPERTY, AND I WAS REALLY UPSET ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE OFFICE TO TALK TO ME. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, IF, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION UP THERE OR OTHER CITIES AS WELL, I THINK IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE,

[21) (First Reading) Consider approval of an ordinance to extend the boundary of the City of Kyle to include approximately 101.53 acres of land located at 1000 Lehman Road, in Hays County, Kyle, Texas. (ANNX-24-0022) (This item has been withdrawn by the applicant and will not be considered). Public Hearing ]

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM 21. THIS ITEM HAS

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BEEN WITHDRAWN. IT HAS A PUBLIC HEARING. BUT SINCE THE ITEM IS BEING WITHDRAWN, NO REASON TO OPEN OR CLOSE IT. NO. NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK AT IT. BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WANTS TO RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY THEY WANT TO SPEAK, WE COULD LET THEM. BUT SAME FOR 22. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO SKIP THEM. 2022 IS NOT RELATED. IT IS NOT. OH I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO ITEMS. SO 21 IS THE ANNEXATION WHICH THEY HAVE OFFICIALLY WITHDRAWN. BUT THE ZONING REQUEST DIDN'T COME FORWARD BECAUSE THEY KEPT IT BACK OFF. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO

[22) (First Reading) Consider approval of an ordinance amending Chapter 53 (Zoning) of the Code of Ordinances to rezone approximately 1.54 acres of land from ‘C/M’ (Construction/Manufacturing) to ‘CBD-2’ (Central Business District-2) for property located at 505 S. Old Hwy 81 in Hays County, Texas. (Z-24-0129) Public Hearing ]

SKIP 21, GO TO 22 FIRST READING. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 53 ZONING OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.54 ACRES OF LAND FROM CONSTRUCTION MANUFACTURING TO CBD, TWO FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 505 SOUTH OLD HIGHWAY IN 81 81. IN HAYS COUNTY, TEXAS. THIS ITEM DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. EASIEST ZONING VOTE MAYBE. I'VE HAD IN EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS. WELL, WE STILL GOT WE STILL GOT TO DO IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE 1.54 ACRES FROM CM TO CBD, TWO, Y'ALL AT THE NINE THREE MEETING VOTED FOR A CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT FOR THE HAYS COUNTY BARBECUE RIGHT THERE IN THE YELLOW TRIANGLES WHERE THEY'RE GOING, THE 388 SELF-HELP WILL HELP DEFRAY THE COST OF LARGE WATER LINE TO THE SITE, IT DOES NEED TO BE REZONED SO THEY CAN BUILD UP TO THE BUILD LINES, WHICH WILL MATCH WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN ORIGINAL TOWN, AND ALSO REMOVE USES THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IN DOWNTOWN, FROM A COMP PLAN PERSPECTIVE, IT IS IN THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THERE IN RED. THE BLUE OUTLINE IS THE TRIANGLE WHERE IT'S AT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE HIGHWAY, RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, OFFICE, ETC. 1.454 ACRES FOR CBD. TWO IT WILL BE IN THE TERS GENERATING MONEY TO ADD TO THAT BALANCE AND PNC CONSIDERED IT ON THE 10TH. Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING IT TONIGHT AND IF IT GOES TO SECOND READING, IT WILL BE ON THE SECOND. AND THEN P AND Z VOTED 5 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, JUST SOME STANDARD, STANDARDS FOR THE CBD. TWO DISTRICT MINIMUM OF 2500 SQUARE FOOT FOR THE LOT, THREE STORIES TO 45FT MAX. ZERO SETBACKS. A NEW GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR FOR APARTMENTS AND WHAT HAVE YO. AFTER THIS THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAN. PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLANS, FINAL PLATS, SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, COPIES, BUILDING PERMITS, ETC. WE RECOMMEND APPROVING THE ZONING REQUEST. ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. IS, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO OPENING THAT PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? I'D REALLY LIKE TO FINALLY PASS THIS, SO I'D LIKE TO WAIT FOR A HOT SECOND UNTIL ZUNIGA COMES BACK.

MR. LANGLEY, HE JUMPED OUT ON ON AN ITEM. HE'S. BRIAN'S ALREADY AFTER HIM, SO. ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN PARSLEY.

THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 22. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ARE YOU READY, MAN? I CAN SMELL THE BARBECUE. I CAN SMELL IT. ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS ITEM BEING FINALLY PASSED? SEEING NONE. THIS ITEM IS FINALLY PASSED. NO APPLAUSE

[23) Consider approval of an amended and restated interlocal agreement with the City of San Marcos, TX in its final form for the San Marcos Regional Animal Shelter.]

PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM 23. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED AND RESTATED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS IN ITS FINAL FORM FOR THE SAN MARCOS REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER. CHIEF BARNETT, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. JEFF BARNETT, CHIEF OF POLICE. FOR THE RECORD, TONIGHT WE BRING FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE AN AMENDED AND RESTATED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS FOR PROVIDING THE SAN MARCOS ANIMAL SHELTER SERVICES TO THE CITY. THE SAN MARCOS REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER HAS PROVIDED SERVICES TO THE CITY OF KYLE SINCE OCTOBER OF 2006. THAT WAS. THOSE SERVICES WERE PERFORMED THROUGH AN ILA AND TONIGHT THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PROVISION FOR TWO MORE YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF KYLE, INCLUDED IN THE ILA. IN YOUR PACKET YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED NOTICE THAT THEY INTEND TO CEASE REGIONAL OPERATIONS AND REGIONAL SERVICES TO THE CITY OF KYLE ON OR ABOUT SEPTEMBER THE 30TH OF 2026. I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT OUR ANIMAL CONTROL SUPERVISOR, WHO WORKS DAILY WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND HAS. SHE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN A FEW OF THE DETAILS FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE ILA. MISS BRIANNA GEDDES, BRIANNA.

BRIANNA GEDDES, ANIMAL CONTROL SUPERVISOR. FOR THE RECORD, SO THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH SAN MARCOS FINALLY GIVES US CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT MY ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, WE'VE HAD VERBAL AGREEMENTS FOR YEARS, AND WE FINALLY HAVE IT ALL IN WRITING, SO THAT'S HELPING OUT OUR STAFF, THEY DO WANT US TO SYNCHRONIZE, THE CITY, OUR CITY ORDINANCE WITH THEIR CITY ORDINANCE ON FOUR SEPARATE

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TOPICS, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE STRAY HOLD PERIODS, THE TRAP NEUTER RETURN PROGRAM, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. MICROCHIPPING, MANDATORY MICROCHIPPING AND SPAY NEUTER REQUIREMENTS FOR IMPOUND, WE DO HAVE WE'RE WORKING ON A DRAFT OF THAT TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. ONCE WE HAVE THAT DONE, THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR MORE PARTICIPATION IN COMMUNITY EVENTS. SO THEY ARE WANTING US TO DO A MINIMUM OF FOUR EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THEY'RE EITHER SPAY NEUTER RELATED, MICROCHIPPING OR VACCINATION, COMMUNITY EVENTS. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON IDEAS OF WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT, THROUGHOUT THE NEXT YEAR FOR THEM, AND THEN THE FINAL THING THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IN THE ILA IS TO GIVE $10,000 TOWARDS SPAY NEUTER COSTS TO PREVENT A LITTER. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGET. WE HAVE THE SPAY NEUTER VOUCHERS THAT'S GOING TO PALS ANYWAY, SO WE'VE ALREADY ALREADY GOT THAT BUDGETED OUT FOR US. TO AND SO THE OPTIONS WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE AND EXECUTE THE AMENDED AND RESTATED ILA IN ITS FINAL FORM AND CONTINUE PARTICIPATION AS STATED PER THE AGREEMENT, WITHHOLD AUTHORIZATION OF THE AMENDED RESTATED ILA DIRECTING STAFF TO PROVIDE AN INTENT TO WITHDRAW FROM THE AGREEMENT. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE, RECEIVE A REPORT AND HOLD DISCUSSION AND AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE AMENDED AND RESTATED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IN ITS FINAL FORM. FUTURE PLANS. MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, TERMINATION DATE WITH SAN MARCOS, WE, ARE NEEDING TO COME UP WITH A LONG, LONG TERM OPTION FOR THE HOUSING OF OUR STRAY ANIMALS. ANIMAL CONTROL AND THE SHELTERS HAVE SHIFTED IN THESE, RECENT YEARS TO HELP SUPPORT PET OWNERS AND THEIR ABILITY TO KEEP THEIR PETS. WE ACT LIKE COUNSELORS ON A DAILY BASIS TO OWNERS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS AND MAKE BETTER LONG TERM SOLUTIONS FOR THEIR PETS. THE ANIMAL SHELTERS NEED TO PROVIDE FACILITIES IN COMMUNITY SUPPORT TO ASSIST THESE OWNERS IN KEEPING THEIR ANIMALS, AND WE NEED TO HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE, AMOUNT OF ANIMALS IN THE COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REQUESTED OF US WAS TO GET US SOME STATISTICS ON THE QUANTITY OF ANIMALS WE'RE BRINGING INTO THE SHELTER, AND WHERE WE PROJECT THOSE NUMBERS TO BE. WE HAVE BEEN RANGING IN THE LAST, SIX YEARS, ANYWHERE FROM 500 TO THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. WE'RE AT 700 ANIMALS GOING TO THE SHELTER, KEEPING IN MIND THAT IS WE'VE GOT ABOUT 93 ANIMALS AT THIS POINT TO DATE GOING BACK FOR TRAP NEUTER RETURN PROGRAM. SO WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING AT THE SHELTER, BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY WITHIN WEEKS OF, OF IMPOUNDMENT, SO WE'RE GUESSTIMATING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT HOUSING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7 TO 800 ANIMALS. A YEAR, BASED OFF OF OUR CURRENT NUMBERS, AND THEN WE ARE SEEING ABOUT A THOUSAND LOOSE ANIMAL CALLS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND RANGING BETWEEN 3 AND 4000 TOTAL CALLS FOR SERVICE DURING DURING OUR YEARS. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL. I'LL SUMMARIZE TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, BRIANNA AND HER TEAM DO AN AMAZING JOB OF TRYING TO GET ANIMALS RETURNED TO THEIR OWNERS RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF KYLE. SO THEY DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO RETURN THEM BEFORE THEY EVER TAKE THEM TO THE SHELTER IN SAN MARCOS. AND THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB USING SOCIAL MEDIA, PHONE TREES, ANIMAL LOGS SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP UP WITH PETS THAT TYPICALLY GET OUT AND THEY CAN RETURN THOSE TO THEIR OWNERS. SO I APPLAUD HER AND HER TEAM. I'LL SUMMARIZE BY WHAT ARE SOME OF THE STEPS THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE INTO THE NEAR FUTURE? NUMBER ONE, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE HIRE A CONSULTANT AND AN ARCHITECT TO ASSIST US WITH DETERMINING THOSE OVERALL NEEDS FOR OUR FUTURE SHELTER, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS HAS GIVEN US NOTICE THAT THEY PLAN TO CEASE SHELTER OPERATIONS REGIONALLY AND THE SERVICES PROVIDED TO THE CITY OF KYLE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2026. SECONDLY, WE WOULD CERTAINLY NEED TO LOCATE A SUITABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND BRING THAT BACK FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION

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NEXT, ALONG WITH THAT CONSULTANT AND ARCHITECT, WE WOULD NEED TO APPROVE A DESIGN FOR A FACILITY FOR THE FUTURE, SOMETHING THAT WOULD SERVE THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS AND THEN THE SHELTER SERVICES NEEDS. AND THEN LASTLY, WE WOULD BRING BACK AND FINALIZE THAT PLAN AND PREPARE AN OVERALL BUDGET AND CONSULT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND OBVIOUSLY MAYOR AND COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE PLANS AND BE READY AS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN 2026, OR THEY'RE CLOSE TO AND AGAIN, THE ASK FOR TONIGHT IS, I'LL REPEAT, TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AND RESTATED ILA WITH THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS FOR SHELTER SERVICES AND THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM BRIANNA. YOU GOT A MINUTE? SORRY. HEY, BRIANNA. WHAT IS, THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS DOING AS FAR AS PROGRAMING FOR ANIMALS? DO THEY DO ANY KIND OF FOSTERING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO HELP WITH THE NUMBERS THEY HAVE THER, YES. THEY DO HAVE AN ACTIVE FOSTER PROGRAM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY POINTS IN, WHAT WE CONSIDER LIVE OUTCOME PLANS IN THESE SHELTERS IS FOSTERING, RESCUE PARTNERS. THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS IN GETTING ANIMALS OUT OF THESE. WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO GET, MORE, PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH FOSTERING? REALLY? WHAT ARE THEIR, OUTLETS ARE USING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REALLY PROMOTE THAT, THEY'VE BEEN SENDING ALL THAT INFORMATION OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WE'RE SHARING IT AS WE CAN ON ON OUR PD PAGE AND, AND CITY PAGES.

OKAY, TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC, I WAS JUST SEEING IF THEY WERE REALLY PROMOTING IT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS. ARE THEY REALLY DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PROMOTE THAT, TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT OVERCROWDING, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, I KNOW WHAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY, BUT I WANT TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, ABOUT HIRING A CONSULTANT AND ARCHITECT. I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO CONSIDER, REACHING OUT TO THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT A REGIONAL, ANIMAL SHELTER FOR A WHILE, SEEING IF WE CAN FORM SOME KIND OF PARTNERSHIP TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE COSTS, BUILD SOMETHING LONG TERM, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE CITY. IT COULD BE IN THE COUNTY, BUT SOMEHOW WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE OUR DOLLARS BY BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AND BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD IN REAL TIME.

I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HOPING ON. MAYBE WE CAN MEET THAT THRESHOLD. BUT ONE THING I'VE NOTICED IS THAT EVERY TIME WE PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. I MEAN, IF YOU CAN LOOK BACK TO SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'VE DONE REALLY GOOD. SO MAYBE SOME OF THE OPTIONS WE COULD KEEP IN MIND TO MOVING FORWARD AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DESIGNING A FACILITY, WHY NOT THINK ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIPS WE COULD DO? AND I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. COUNCILMEMBER. YEAH GOOD POINTS, MR. RIZZO, BRIANNA AND CHIEF, DO WE KNOW DO WE UNDERSTAND, LIKE WHY THEY ARE LEAVING THE IOLA, COOPERATION? IS IT A COST OR OVER CAPACITY O. THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST WANT TO BE ALONE NOW? I GUESS EVERY EVERY CITY WANTS TO BE ON THEIR OWN AND INDEPENDENT. I'LL GIVE MY FIRST TAKE AT IT, AND I KNOW THAT OUR CITY MANAGER MAY WANT TO ADD TO MY COMMENTS. SO WE'VE KNOWN ACTUALLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS THAT THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS WAS CONSIDERING SUCH A MOVE. I THINK AS THEY CONSIDER THEIR PRIORITIES, THEIR CITY ORDINANCES, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENACT, THEIR POLICIES, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. I THINK THEY'RE CONSIDERING THAT IT MAY BE EASIER TO GO IT ALONE AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR CITIZENRY AND THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS. WE CERTAINLY HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT GREAT PARTNERSHIP. SO I THINK IT'S JUST MORE OF A DECISION OF LEADERSHIP IN THAT CITY AND THAT COMMUNITY TO BRING THEIR OPERATIONS IN-HOUSE AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT THEY SEE FIT FOR THEIR CITY AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO COORDINATE THOSE WITH THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT CURRENTLY PARTICIPATE, WELL, I DO WANT TO SAY THANKS TO YOUR STAFF, TO THEIR STAFF, ALL THE VOLUNTEERS THAT THAT REALLY HELPED TO, YOU KNOW, GET THESE ANIMALS OUT OF THE SHELTER AND TAKE CARE OF THEM. IT'S REALLY NOBODY'S FAULT. I JUST THINK IT'S A PROBLEM AS WE GROW, WE HAVE MORE HOUSES. WE END UP HAVING MORE ANIMALS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, MANY HOMEOWNERS WILL, YOU KNOW, SURRENDER THEM.

SO THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE, THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS FROM THE BACKGROUND AND I'M ONLY ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT. I THINK THE PET RESOURCE CENTER IS MORE FOCUSED ON VETERINARY ASSISTANCE, NUTRITION EDUCATION, AND IT'S NOT HAS NOT BEEN IN MY I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AS A STANDARD, GOOD PRACTICE SHELTER, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, NEEDED FOR THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT THE NUMBERS THAT BRIANNA JUST EXPLAINED, 800, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS A YEAR, 1000 CALLS OR AND IN 3000, WELL, 3000 CALLS. AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S

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GOING TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD A GOOD STARTING POINT IS THE 800,000.

YOU KNOW. ABSOLUTELY, SIR. AND AS MENTIONED BY COUNCILMEMBER RIZZO, ALSO, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO KEEP ALL OPTIONS OPEN AND LOOK AT EVERY VIABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE. RIGHT. SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WE JUST LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND TRY TO BRING FORTH THE BEST PACKAGE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND TWO YEARS IS A VERY SHORT WINDOW. I MEAN, FOR THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THE, THE STANDARDS OF THIS BUILDING IS NOT YOUR NORMAL BUILDING. SO IT'S I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE BEING VERY PROACTIVE AND BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO KIND OF MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. YES, SIR. VISIONING WORKSHOP TOPIC FOR SURE FOR NEXT YEAR. OH WHAT IS OUR YOU CAN JOIN US. WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE JUST APPROVED? WHAT'S OUR AMOUNT THAT WE GIVE TO THE REGIONAL SHELTER? ROUGHLY IT'S ROUGHLY AROUND 300,000 300,000.

SO 300,000 DIVIDED BY 800 IS $375 PER DOG. OUR NUMBER THAT GOES ACTUALLY TO THEM IS MORE LIKE AROUND 6 TO 7. SOMEWHERE IN THERE, 450 TO $500 A DOG. WE ACCOUNTED FOR EXTRA TO ACCOUNT FOR. WHEN YOU HAVE A FACILITY IN YOUR OWN TOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ANIMALS BROUGHT TO YOUR FACILITY. AND THE ONES THAT WE KEEP AT PD. YEAH THOSE ARE SO I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO JUST DRIVE THEM INTO THE CITY LIMITS AND DROP THEM OFF SO THAT THEY GET TAKEN CARE OF. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND SAN MARCOS CONSTERNATION, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR OURSELVES FOR $300,000 A YEAR. THE ONLY THE ONLY QUADRUPLE IN PRICE, PROBABLY, MAYBE MORE. AND I'LL SAY THEY HAVE A VERY ACTIVE VOLUNTEER BASE, AND THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO NOT HAVE YET IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WOULD WORK. THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK, I KNOW TO HAVE AN OPERATING FACILITY 24 MONTHS FROM NOW IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO POSSIBLE. I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH SAN MARCOS, LIKE THE CHIEF HAS MENTIONED, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS AND REALLY, GREAT TO WORK WITH. I THINK THEY'LL GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THAT TIME FRAME, PROVIDED THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH A SOLUTION. IF IN TWO YEARS WE'VE DONE NOTHING AND WE HAVEN'T ADVANCED THE OBJECTIVES VERY FAR AT ALL, I THINK THAT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO WANT TO EXTEND IT. BUT IF WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE UNDER DESIGN. SOMETHING'S GOING ON. I THINK THEY'LL DEFINITELY WORK WITH US, BUT IT IS A SHORT WINDOW. WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY, I DO THINK, MAYOR, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR.

I MEAN, BALLPARK FIGURES FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS ARE PROBABLY OVER 10 MILLION TO GET A FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WE'D BE PROUD OF. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THE STAFFING THAT GOES WITH IT. IT CERTAINLY WILL BE MORE THAN THE $300,000 THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING. BUT WITH THAT, YOU ALSO HAVE MORE CONTROL, YOU HAVE BETTER PROGRAMING, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THINGS, PERHAPS, THAT WE'VE NEVER DONE HERE IN THE CITY, BUT I THINK TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM POINT, WE'LL BE GLAD TO BRING YOU BACK A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, SERVICE MODELS AND SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND SEE WHERE WE GO WITH THIS. BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE A YOU KNEW THAT THE ILA THAT DID NEED TO BE APPROVED AND THAT THAT AGREEMENT IS GOING TO BE ENDING. BLESS YO. SO WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU. I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT, AND IT IS A QUICK TURN, NO DOUBT. IT'S TRUE. ON THAT END AND, VERY TRUE, RESO YOU DO BRING UP A POINT, BUT, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS THAT THIS, UNFORTUNATELY, IS OUR PROBLEM AS A CITY, JUST LIKE SAN MARCOS, I KNOW IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD COLLABORATE WITH HAYS COUNTY, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE LONG TERM TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FLIP THE BILL ON THIS, THIS IS JUST NOT A LITTLE PET SHELTER. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING DOGS AND CATS. I'M SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER ANIMALS, TOO. HORSES. PROBABLY GOATS. I MEAN, STILL RESPONSIBLE. YEAH, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH WITH A LOT MORE.

THE FUNDING ON IT, THE WATER, THE FACILITY ITSELF, THE STAFFING. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, ABOUT THE DOGS AND THE CATS. I SURE HOPE THEY SHOW UP WHEN WE START. WE START BUILDING THIS. OKAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ADVOCATED VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THESE ANIMALS. NOW, NOW IS THE TIME FOR THEM TO COME IN AND AID AND HELP OUT. SO THAT'S MY CALL TO ALL OF THOSE WHO WERE WANTING TO VOLUNTEER AND WE'RE HERE ADVOCATING FOR THE SPAY AND NEUTER PROGRAM, WE ARE NOW IN THAT SITUATION TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON THESE ANIMALS. AND SO I HOPE WE CAN BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM COME

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AND VOLUNTEER AND HELP OUT AND BUT IT'S SOMETHING NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS FACILITY. AND, AND THEN THE OPTIONS, A GOOD IDEA, MAYOR PRO TEM, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO MAYBE TRY TO LOOK AT IT FROM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT AND THEN BUILD FROM THERE. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS, I WANT TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE DOLLARS FOR THE FACILITY OR RUNNING FACILITY. IT'S GOING TO BE FOR EDUCATION AS WELL. I MEAN, THE REASON WE'RE IN THE PREDICAMENT WE'RE IN IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EDUCATED THE PUBLIC ENOUGH ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. WITH OVERBREEDING THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT YOU KNOW, GIVING MORE PROGRAMING TOWARDS YOU KNOW, DECREASING THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS OUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE, I THINK COULD DO BETTER AS A CITY, AS WELL, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID HERE ON THE DAIS IS THAT PEOPLE ONCE WE OPEN UP A SHELTER, PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS ARE GOING TO COME DROP THE ANIMALS OFF AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING PARTNERING UP WITH THE COUNTY, THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE DOLLARS TOWARDS THE SHELTER, MAYBE BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUR WAY ANYWAY. AND THIS WAY WE SHARE THE COST. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, IS SHARING THE COST.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE RECEIVE THE SAME NOTICE? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? WHAT'S BUDA GOING TO DO? SO I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE FROM THE CITY OF BUDA.

HE'S CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN OUR DIRECTION AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THEY HAVE A VERY, VERY SMALL NUMBER OF, OF ANIMALS THAT THEY ACTUALLY TAKE TO THE SHELTER. SO HE'S ASKED US TO CONSIDER THEM IN OUR BIG PICTURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THEIR NUMBERS.

HE SENT THOSE TO ME A WHILE BACK. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE EXTREMELY LOW COMPARED TO OUR NUMBERS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO I THINK HE'S GOING TO SEE WHAT WE DO FIRST. HE'S CERTAINLY AWARE OF THE SITUATION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT ON THEIR OWN AS WELL. THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING. THEY'RE GOING TO SEE WHERE THE COUNTY MOVES FORWARD WITH WHAT PROJECTS THEY HAVE UNDER CONSIDERATION. BUT BUT EVERYBODY RECEIVED THE SAME NOTICE. FOR EXAMPLE, HAYS COUNTY. HAYS COUNTY DID TOO, AS WELL. YES EVERYBODY IS ON NOTICE. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

YES SIR. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION BY THE MAYOR. SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 23. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY

[24) Consider approval of Task Order No. 9 to Pape Dawson Consulting Engineers, LLC, for PS&E design of the Old Stagecoach Road portion of the Old Stagecoach Road project of the 2022 Road Bond Program in the amount of $2,047,287.05.]

[25) Consider approval of Task Order No. 10 to Pape Dawson Consulting Engineers, LLC, for PS&E design of the Center Street portion of the Old Stagecoach Road project of the 2022 Road Bond Program in the amount of $1,799,557.05.]

AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. THANK YOU. NEXT UP ON 24 AND 25, THERE TOGETHER.

ROSIE, YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY? BOTH ITEMS ON STAGECOACH. WHAT DO YOU THINK? SURE IF YOU'D LIKE TO, AGENDA ITEM 24, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER NINE TO PAY DAWSON FOR PSA DESIGN OF OLD STAGECOACH ROAD PORTION OF OLD STAGECOACH OF THE 2022 BOND IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,047,287.05 AND AGENDA ITEM 25. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER TEN TO PIPE DAWSON FOR PSA DESIGN OF THE CENTER STREET PORTION OF THE OLD STAGECOACH ROAD PROJECT. OF THE 22 2022 ROAD BOND AMOUNT $1,799,557.05. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE'VE GOT, JOE KELLY HERE FROM K FREEZE, AND HE CAN ASSIST WITH THIS, THE FIRST ITEM IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF, TASK ORDER NUMBER NINE FOR OLD STAGECOACH ROAD IN THE AMOUNT OF A LITTLE MORE THAN $2 MILLION, THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NOVEMBER 2022 ROAD BOND. PROPOSITION A FOR EIGHT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ACROSS KYLE, TOTALING 10.3 MILES OF NEW LOCATION RECONSTRUCTION AND WIDENING PROJECTS TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. THE PROJECT WILL IMPROVE OLD STAGECOACH ROAD FROM SIX CREEKS BOULEVARD TO CENTER STREET. IN SPRING OF 2024, COUNCIL DIRECTED TO PROCEED WITH SPLITTING THE OLD STAGECOACH ROAD PROJECT INTO THREE SECTIONS, DONE IN AN EFFORT FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND UTILITY. LOCATION VARIES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, AND YOU'LL SEE THE LOCATIONS IN GREEN, BLUE AND RED ON THE SCREEN. ALIGNMENT AND DESIGN FEATURES WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF 2024. PROGRESSES TO FINAL DESIGN WILL OCCUR WITH APPROVAL OF THIS TASK ORDER. THIS IS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF PLAN SPECIFICATION AND ESTIMATES FOR THE OLD STAGECOACH ROAD PROJECT FOR $2,047,287.05, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 24 AND 25. SECOND MOTION BY THE MAYOR, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS, THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 24 AND 25. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'VE LIVED ON THIS ROAD FOR MANY, MANY MOONS. MY PARENTS HAVE, AND IT'S ABOUT TIME WE GET THIS THING DONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. PERFECT ALL RIGHT. TWO MORE PRESENTATIONS AND THEN, COUNCIL

[26) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding an overview of the Parks and Recreation department and capital projects. ]

MEMBER PARSLEY'S. ITEM NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM 26. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, PROVIDE

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STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND CAPITAL PROJECTS. MR. LOPEZ, WELCOME. GREETINGS, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO BE PROVIDING A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF PARKS AND RECREATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HIGH LEVEL. I WANT TO MOVE THROUGH VERY QUICKLY TO GIVE YOU ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ON WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU IN THE COMMUNITY REGARDING THIS PLAN.

OKAY, SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE OPS STANDARDS. SOME WINTER OJT CROSS TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, OUR TEAM DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES QC CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND CIP, AS WELL AS WHAT'S AHEAD WITH FUTURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT TIE INTO THAT ARE WE WANT TO IMPROVE OUR SERVICE DELIVERY AND EFFICIENCY. WE WANT TO PROVIDE EXTREMELY HIGH QUALITY STANDARD LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THIS CITY AND ITS PARK SYSTEM. WE WANT TO CREATE, DEVELOPMENTAL AND PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR TEAM AND CAREER MAPPING. WE WANT TO ESTABLISH, INTERNAL CONTROLS AS WELL AS QUALITY CONTROL FOR ALL OF OUR SYSTEM. AND PROGRAMS. WE WANT TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY AND DASHBOARDS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR PARK SYSTEM. AND WE WANT TO BUILD NOT ONLY A FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE DEPARTMENT AND PARK SYSTEM, BUT ALSO AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE SYSTEM. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT CONTINUOUS GROWTH AND REINVENTING OURSELVES TO ENSURE WE'RE CONSTANTLY MEETING CUSTOMER NEEDS AS THE CITY GROWS SO VERY QUICKLY, I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE ORG CHART. SO YOU HAVE THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND MANAGEMENT ASSISTANT, AND THEN THE DIVISIONS THAT WILL COMPRISE OUR DEPARTMENT, WHICH WILL BE FIRST IS PARKS TECH, WHICH STANDS FOR TRAILS, PARKS, TRAILS, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION THAT WILL BE OVERSEEN BY THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR, YOU HAVE THE CARES DIVISION, WHICH STANDS FOR COMMUNITY, AQUATICS, RECREATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL EVENT SERVICES, OVERSEEN BY THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. AND A NEW BUSINESS MANAGEMENT SECTION THAT OVERSEES STRATEGIC PLANNINGS AND PROJECTS RELATED. SO, THIS TITLE SHOULD READ BUSINESS AND STRATEGIC PLANNING. BUT THIS POSITION OF BUSINESS MANAGER WILL OVERSEE THE DEPARTMENT'S SPENDING PLANS FOR BUDGET. IT'S GOING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES. IT'S GOING TO MOVE US TOWARDS CAPRA ACCREDITATION, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THERE'S 68 POINTS OF COMPLIANCE OVER TEN CHAPTERS FOR NATIONAL ACCREDITATION. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.

BUT THEY'LL ALSO OVERSEE THE, THE BUILDING OUT AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF MASTER PLAN TO ENSURE THAT THAT, ALL OF OUR STRATEGIC STRATEGIC PLANS COINCIDE WITH THAT. AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROJECTS AND STRATEGIC PLANS THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED RECENTLY, THAT WE ADHERE TO THAT AS A DEPARTMENT AND HELP MOVE THE NEEDLE. SO FOR THE PARKS, TECH DIVISION, WE'RE WE HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER THAT'S GOING TO WORK, WITH THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR AS WELL AS OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THAT WILL REALLY SPECIALIZE IN OUR PARK PROJECTS FOR, ENSURING THAT WE ARE COMPETITIVELY NEGOTIATING OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION, THAT'S GOING TO BE FROM ALL THE WAY FROM DESIGN, ALL THE WAY THROUGH CONSTRUCTIO. NOTICE TO PROCEED. PRE-CON MEETINGS, MAKING SURE THE PAY APS ARE PAID ON TIME AND THAT WE'RE EXECUTING AND COMPLETING OUR CIP PROJECTS IN A TIMELY MANNER. ALSO, THEY'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, THE TREE ORDINANCE, AND ENSURING WE'RE COMPLIANCE COMPLIANT WITH ALL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE PARKS TECH DIVISION. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW CONSERVATION DIVISION. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS DIVISION. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PILLARS OF PARKS AND RECREATION, WE TALK ABOUT HEALTH AND WELLNESS, WE TALK ABOUT ACCESS, AND WE TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION, THIS TEAM WILL BE OVERSEEN BY A CONSERVATION MANAGER, SOMEBODY WHO HAS A HEAVY BACKGROUND IN WILDLIFE CONSERVATION, URBAN BIOLOGIST, THEY WILL OVERSEE THE TRAILS DIVISION BECAUSE MOST OF OUR TRAILS ARE SOFT SURFACE AND RUN THROUGH OUR MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS. THIS MADE SENSE. THAT INCLUDES OUR FLOODPLAIN, OUR RIPARIAN ZONES. YOU MADE ME HAPPY WHEN YOU SAID, HEY, BIOLOGIST. I'M LIKE, SCIENCE IS COMING TO CITY. IT'S COMING. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. IT WILL ALSO OVERSEE OUR INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT IS, IT'S A SCIENTIFIC AND SUSTAINABLY BASED APPROACH THAT EVALUATES HOW WE TREAT PESTS. AND SO WE LOOK AT THE LEAST IMPACTFUL METHOD FOR MANAGING PESTS THAT WHEN WE CONSIDER THE ECONOMICS AND RISK TO PEOPLE PROPERTY AND TO THE ENVIRONMENT, AND ALSO A NEW HORTICULTURE WE'RE GOING TO CALL A SUSTAINABLE LANDSCAPE DIVISION THAT OVERSEES ALL OF THE GATEWAY AND PARK ORNAMENTAL BED AREAS SO THAT WE'RE WE'RE MEETING WATERING REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE PLANTING NATIVE AND ADAPTIVE SPECIES AND OUR, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE IN TERMS OF COST, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT PLANT FOR THE RIGHT PLACE. AND

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WE HAVE THE STAFF THAT HAS THE SKILL AND THE TALENT TO MAINTAIN THAT. THE CONSERVATION MANAGER WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE TALKING TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND EDUCATION, ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMING. AND THEN THIS TEAM WILL ALSO HAVE A HEAVY PART IN DEVELOPING ALL OTHER DIVISIONS OF PARK MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. DAVID, GOT A QUESTION? YES. ON THE HORTICULTURAL SUPERVISOR, WILL THAT INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY GARDEN? IT WILL INCLUDE SOME LIAISON TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN AS WELL. OKAY THANKS. THE OTHER DIVISION UNDER PARKS TECH IS BEAUTIFICATION, WHICH OVERSEES OUR GATEWAYS AND OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. THAT'S COMPRISING OF FOUR CREWS THAT SORT OF DIVIDE EAST AND WEST, AND ALSO AN ELECTRICIAN TEAM THAT OVERSEES ALL OF OUR CITY OWNED LIGHTING AND OUR RIGHT OF WAYS AND PARKS.

AND ONE NEW STRATEGY THIS TEAM WILL BE IMPLEMENTING IS GOING TO BE ON A THREE TIER STANDARD FOR MOWING AND MAINTENANCE. CURRENTLY, WE AVERAGE ABOUT TWO WEEK CYCLES ON OUR RIGHT OF WAYS FOR MOWING. THE COUNTY AVERAGES ABOUT, THEY'RE AVERAGING TWO MONTH CYCLES. AND SO WE THINK TWO WEEKS IS GOOD FOR MOST PROPERTIES. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT IN OUR HIGH VISIBILITY, HIGHLY PROGRAMED CORRIDORS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ARRIVE AT LIKE THAT ONE WEEK, MAINTENANCE, SCHEDULE. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE, YOU SAID WE HAVE FOUR CREWS. HOW MANY PERSONS PER CREW DO WE HAVE? I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND FOUR FOLKS PER PER TEAM FOR EACH ONE. FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE. THOSE CREWS HAD FOUR PER TEAM. DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT. I THINK YOUR MATH MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF, BUT, DEFINITELY YOU NEED FOUR, FOUR GUYS PER TEAM, BUT I DON'T. I REMEMBER SEEING SOMEWHERE A WHILE BACK WHERE WE WERE SHORTHANDED AND SOME OF THE TRUCKS JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT FOUR PER TEAM BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO MOWERS AND THEN TWO GUYS WEEDING AS WELL. SO, JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT PLACE. YES, SIR. AS LONG AS WE'RE FULLY STAFFED, WE'RE AT THOSE LEVELS. BUT, YEAH, THAT GIVES US MOST ECONOMIES OF SCALE. TO YOUR POINT, WHEN IT COMES TO MANAGING RIGHT OF WAYS. BUT TO ARRIVE AT THE, AGAIN, I THINK WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT THE BIWEEKLY PROPERTIES, AND THAT'S PROBABLY LEAPS AND BOUNDS ON SOME OF THE ADJACENT COUNTY PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE SEEING. BUT IN ORDER TO ARRIVE AT THAT WITHOUT INCREASING BUDGET, WE THINK THAT THAT IS CERTAINLY WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY. AND SO OUR PLAN IS TO TAKE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE MAYBE ON ETJ OR SOME OF THOSE ADJACENT COUNTY RIGHT OF WAYS TO MONTHLY CYCLES.

WE'RE STILL AHEAD, YOU KNOW, IN DOUBLING THE FREQUENCY OF SERVICE AHEAD OF COUNTY BY AN ENTIRE MONTH, YOU GET ONE ADDITIONAL SERVICE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO THEN REALLOCATE RESOURCES TO LOOK AT OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS AND GIVE THEM THE TOP NOTCH LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S A THREE TIER MODEL. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PIVOTING. THIS IS GOING TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS. SO IF WE SEE THAT SOMETHING'S NOT EFFECTIVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED. OKAY. SO THEN WE HAVE OUR PARKS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS DIVISION. SO WE USED TO HAVE A SITE BASED MODEL FOR HOW WE MAINTAINED OUR PARKS. AND THAT MEANS THAT THIS ONE CREW STAYS AT THIS ONE PARK. AND SO DOES ALL THE EQUIPMENT WITHIN THAT CREWS INVENTORY. AND SO WE SAW THINGS LIKE A LARGE AREA 5910 MOWER, WHICH THEY'RE ABOUT $150,000 EACH. IT'S CREME DE LA CREME CADILLAC FOR FINISHED CUT PRODUCTION MOWING. BUT BECAUSE OF THE SITE BASED MODEL, THEY STAY AT ONE SITE AND THEY MAY.

IT MAY ONLY TAKE ONE DAY TO MOW THESE 1 OR 2 PROPERTIES. AND THEN THE MOWER JUST SAT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE WEEK. AND SO WE LOOKED AT MODELS TO SAY, HEY, WHERE ARE WE WEEK AT AND WHERE DO WE NEED IMPROVEMENT ON? WE SAW IT WAS OUR MOMENT. WE SAW IT WAS OUR PLAYGROUND STANDARDS. WE SAW IT WAS OUR AMENITIES AND OUR SIGNAGE. OUR PAVILION MAINTENANCE, EVEN RESTROOM CLEANLINESS. FORESTRY OPERATIONS AND REFORESTATION. WE SAID, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE FIND EFFICIENCIES? ARE WE REALLY OPERATING THE BEST WE CAN? AND SO JUST TAKING THE SIMPLE ANALOGY OF THE MOWER, WE SAID, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE RAN THIS MOWER 4 OR 5 DAYS A WEEK ON OUR LARGE ACREAGE PROPERTIES? AND WE BEGAN TO RUN EFFICIENCIES AND JUST BUILD OUT, WE REALIZED THAT, HEY, TO MEET IDEAL STANDARDS, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT PLAYGROUNDS WITH A VERY HIGH LEVEL, INSPECTION AT LEAST WEEKLY. WE SHOULD BE MAINTAINING OUR RESTROOMS DAILY. WE SHOULD BE TACKLING LITTER DAILY RECEPTACLES AND GROUND LITTER. SO WE STARTED TIGHTENING IT UP AND SAID, CAN WE MEET THOSE STANDARDS? AS WE EVALUATED THOSE EFFICIENCIES, WE REALIZE WE CAN.

AND THAT WAS EXCITING NEWS FOR US. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL MONIES. IT JUST WAS JUST A DIFFERENT MODEL, WHICH WE CALL A FUNCTION BASED SERVICE. AND SO NOW WE HAVE A PLAYGROUND AND AMENITIES TEAM. WE HAVE A CLEAN TEAM THAT OVERSEES RESTROOMS AND LITTER.

WE HAVE TWO STRIKE TEAMS. AND SO WE DON'T CALL THEM MOW TEAMS. WE CALL THEM STRIKE TEAMS BECAUSE WHILE THEY'RE AT THE SITES, IF THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A LIMB DOWN OR SOMETHING THAT MAY NEED SOME MINOR REPAIRS, THERE'S MINOR GRAFFITI ABATEMENT. THEY'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT

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BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE AS A RESIDENT, YOU SEE, HEY, THERE'S A TEAM OF PARKS CREW THERE AND THEY JUST LEFT THE PARK. ALL THEY DID WAS MOW AND THEY LEFT. THERE WAS A LOT OF HAZARDS LEFT BEHIND AND SO STRIKE TEAMS ARE ALL ENCOMPASSING. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WILL DELAY THEIR SCHEDULES, THEN THEY SUBMIT A WORK ORDER OR TALK TO THE SUPERVISOR TO GET A DIFFERENT CREW OUT TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER MATTER. IF THERE'S A LARGE GRAFFITI INCIDENT FOR INSTANCE, ALSO THE LARGE MOWING CREW WILL HAVE TWO LARGE AREA MOWERS THAT WILL BE RUNNING AT MINIMUM FOUR DAYS A WEEK DOING NOTHING BUT MOWING. AND ON A SWING DAY THEY MIGHT ASSIST WITH ANY OTHER FUNCTION, WE'LL ESPECIALLY NEED THAT TO HELP SUPPLEMENT LITTER ON MONDAYS AFTER THE WEEKENDS. OKAY, SO THEIR JOB IS MOWING AND LITTERING, PICKING UP LITTER AS WELL. STRIKE TEAMS WILL PICK THEY WANT MOW OVER THE LITTER.

THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP GROUND LITTER RIGHT NOW. YOU SAID THOSE TEAMS FOR MOWING AND PICKING UP LITTER AS WELL. YES SIR. THE CLEAN TEAM WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LITTER AND RESTROOM MAINTENANCE, SO WE KEEP THOSE DAILY CYCLES. GREAT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR, ALSO IRRIGATION. WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY SOMEBODY DEVOTED TO IRRIGATION. AND SO IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR WATERING RESTRICTIONS THAT OUR IRRIGATION IS OPERATING AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF EFFICIENCY. AND ALSO HAVING A TEAM THAT CAN PULL PERMITS, THERE WILL BE A SUPERVISOR ON THIS GROUP THAT'S A LICENSED IRRIGATOR THAT CAN HELP EXPAND SYSTEMS DURING THE WINTER MONTHS. AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT SOME OF THOSE WINTER PROGRAMS. OKAY. AND, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE THE CARES DIVISION. AND SO THAT'S OUR RECREATION DIVISION THAT OVERSEES AQUATICS. OUR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS ARE ALL INCLUSIVE PROGRAMS THAT COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS ALLUDED TO EARLIER. AS WELL AS OUR EVENTS TEAM AND SO WE HAVE THREE DIRECT REPORTS FOR THESE TO REPORTING TO THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, ONE FOR THOSE RECREATIONAL AND AQUATIC PROGRAMS, ONE OVER THERAPEUTIC RECREATION, AND ONE THAT WILL BE OVER ALL OF THE EVENTS, LARGE AND SMALL. WE'VE ALSO MOVED THE POOL MECHANIC UNDER RECREATION, BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE FOR THEM TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE AQUATICS COORDINATORS AND TEAM ON POOL MAINTENANCE. THEY'LL STILL OVERSEE ORNAMENTAL FOUNTAINS, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE GUIDANCE AND ECONOMIES OF SCALE THAT WE REALIZE WITH SOME OF THOSE MOVES. ALSO, WE REALIZE, HEY, WE'RE NOT AS STRONG AS WE NEED TO BE WHEN IT COMES TO PROMOTIONS OF SOME OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE. AND SO WE MOVED A, A STAFF MEMBER THAT PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON INTERPRETIVE DESIGN AND PROMOTIONAL DESIGN OVER TO RECREATION SO THAT WE CAN ASSIST ON GETTING MORE, GETTING MORE ADVERTISEMENT ON ON THE GREAT THINGS WE'RE DOING. AND IF PARKS STILL NEEDS SOME INTERPRETIVE ASSISTANCE, THEY WOULD PUT IN A WORK ORDER TO REC SERVICES FOR THAT ASSISTANCE, OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES. WE'RE GOING TO BE CREATING FOR EVERY DIVISION. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT AS A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE BUILD MANUALS THAT ARE EASY TO EASY FOR STAFF TO USE, THAT HAVE PHOTOS AND DIAGRAMS, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BIND AND UPDATE ANNUALLY AS SCIENCE CHANGES, AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, AND WE HAVE THESE PROCEDURES THAT KEEP US COINCIDING WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF EFFICIENCY AND HAVE WORK PLANS INCLUDED IN THOSE DOCUMENTS WILL BE OUR SERVICE LEVELS AND STANDARDS OF CARE. AND SO FOR RECREATION, THAT MIGHT MEAN HOW MANY, HOW MANY, STUDENTS OR ATTENDEES TO ONE COUNSELOR. THAT MIGHT MEAN WHAT MAKES OR BREAKS A PROGRAM. SO IF WE HAVE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE MINIMAL ATTENDANCE, IF THEY'RE BELOW A SET THRESHOLD, THAT PROGRAM MAY NOT MAKE, AND THEN WE REALLOCATE THOSE RESOURCES TO OTHER PROGRAMS AS NEEDED, AND ALSO FREQUENCIES AND SCHEDULES. AGAIN, IN A MANUAL THAT'S EASY TO REFERENCE AND EASY FOR TRAINING NEW STAFF AND THIS IS ALSO SCALABLE. I MENTIONED WE'RE GOING TO REEVALUATE THESE ANNUALLY. AND SO IF WE NEED TO ADJUST UP OR DOWN BASED ON FUNDING BASED ON DEMAND, THIS IS EASY TO SCALE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OR WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PARKS. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A CRUCIAL PIECE OF THE OF THE MASTER PLAN AND GAINING COMMUNITY INPUT ON WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN YOUR PARKS. FOR INSTANCE, ON PLAYGROUNDS, AT MINIMUM, THE COMMUNITY MAY WANT SHADE AT EVERY PLAYGROUND THEY MIGHT WANT POURED IN PLACE OR ACCESSIBLE SURFACING IN LIEU OF THE ENGINEERED WOOD FIBER AND SO WE WOULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO DESIGN STANDARDS. WE WANT TO LOOK AT PARK GRADE AMENITIES THAT STAND THE TEST OF TIME.

THAT WILL LAST THE FULL YEAR OF THE BOND, THAT ARE VANDAL PROOF. WE WANT TO LOOK AT SEPTEMBER CONSIDERATIONS, WHICH IS BASICALLY CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD HIDING PLACES IN OUR PARKS. WE DON'T WANT TO REDUCE VISIBILITY BY WHAT WE INSTALL. WE WANT TO MAKE PARKS SAFE FOR UNSUPERVISED PLA. AND ALSO WE WANT TO MEET ALL THESE BASIC REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO A NEW BUILD OUT OR A REHABILITATION PROJECT. SO O&M IS SOMETHING THAT NOT A LOT OF CITIES TALK ABOUT, BUT IT IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE, IT'S ONE THING TO BUILD OUT YOUR YOUR CAPITAL PROGRAM AND TO GET SHINY NEW THINGS. BUT ONCE YOU CUT THE

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RIBBON, THE USEFUL LIFE CLOCK STARTS. AND SO USUALLY SOME OF THESE ARE LIKE A 15 TO 20 YEAR LIFESPAN. AND WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE THAT'S REQUIRED. AND SO IN SOME CASES WHEN WE'RE DOING A REHAB PROJECT AND WE'RE REPLACING PLAYGROUND FOR PLAYGROUND AND NOTHING'S CHANGED, THAT MIGHT BE A WASH. BUT IF WE'RE GETTING A PLAYGROUND, TAKING IT FROM A 3000 SQUARE FOOT TOT LOT TO A DUAL TOT LOT AND 5 TO 12 GRADE SCHOOL PLAYGROUND, WE JUST EXPANDED OUR FOOTPRINT. WE EXPANDED THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO DO AN INSPECTION ON THESE PROPERTIES, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ASKING OR AT LEAST COMMUNICATING THE BUDGET IMPACT THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE WITH EVERY PROJECT. AND SO, LIKE I SAID, IN SOME CASES YOU'LL HAVE WHERE THERE'S NO CHANGE. IN SOME CASES IT MIGHT REQUIRE AN INCREASE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PERSONNEL INVOLVED, TAKE IT, TAKING IT DOWN TO EVERY BASE METRIC FOR EVERY FUNCTION WE PERFORM THAT I JUST DISCUSSED. AND SO FOR INSTANCE, LITTER. WHAT'S THE AVERAGE TIME IT TAKES TO SERVICE A LITTER RECEPTACLE BASED ON THE ACRES OF THIS PARK? HOW MANY LITTER RECEPTACLES SHOULD WE HAVE. AND FACTOR IN THE PROGRAMING THAT OCCURS THERE, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF TIME REQUIRED TO SERVICE THE LITTER DAILY BY THE ACRE? AND SO ALL WE NEED TO KNOW IS HOW BIG IS THIS PARK? WHAT'S THE PROGRAMING. AND WE RUN METRICS AGAINST ALL THAT AND WE DEVELOP O&M. SO I MENTIONED WINTER IN-SERVICE PROJECTS. AND SO AS YOU ALL KNOW WE HAVE A GROWING SEASON. YOU ALL HAVE YARDS AT HOME. AND YOU KNOW THAT FROM END OF NOVEMBER THE GRASS IS SLOWING DOWN, AND THEN YOU DON'T START SEEING THOSE. THE GROWTH OF OUR LOCAL OR NATIVE PLANT MATERIALS UNTIL MAYBE MID MARCH. SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT DOWNTIME? WELL THAT'S IDEAL TIME FOR TRAINING AND DEVELOPING STAFF. IT'S AN IDEAL TIME TO CROSS TRAIN ON PROJECTS AND TO HAVE ON THE JOB TRAINING THINGS LIKE, ATHLETIC FIELD RENOVATIONS, MAYBE INSTALLING NEW DRINKING FOUNTAINS, REPLACING FURNISHINGS, MANAGING OUR PERENNIALS AND OUR ORNAMENTAL BEDS. WITH OUR ANNUAL CUTBACKS, IT MIGHT. IT'S THE IDEAL PLANTING WINDOW FOR NOT JUST PERENNIALS, BUT ALSO FOR TREES. YOU COULD ALSO DO WILDFLOWER AREA MAINTENANCE DURING THE LATE FALL AND WINTER MONTHS. THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO DO YOUR COMMUNITY TREE PLANTING EVENTS TO INSTALL OR EXPAND YOUR IRRIGATION, TO DO MAJOR REPAIRS, AND SO WHEN PATRONS, THEY GET USED TO SEEING THIS MODEL AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN THE SPRING AND THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THEIR PARKS HAVE ENHANCED AND THEY'VE CHANGED, BUT ALSO WE CAN HAVE ON THE JOB WORKSHOPS AND SAYING, HEY, IF YOU NEED SKILLS TEAM IN THESE AREAS AND YOU, YOU PRIMARILY MOW, BUT YOU WANT TO LEARN ATHLETIC FIELDS, YOU'RE GOING TO GO WORK WITH THIS ATHLETIC FIELD GROUP. WE MIGHT BRING AN IN-HOUSE TRAINER AND DO A WORKSHOP TO RENOVATE ONE OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS THAT, SAY, GREG CLARK PARK. THIS IS A GOOD SEGUE INTO OUR STAFF TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. AND SO YOU GUYS SAW THE ORG CHART AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE UPWARD MOBILITY FOR STAFF. I WISH I WOULD HAVE HAD THIS AS A NEW PARK EMPLOYEE, AS A, AS A YOUNG PERSON AND SEEING THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE FIELDS OF PARK AND RECREATION. BUT IF YOU COME IN FOR, SAY, AS A PART TIMERS, ENTRY LEVEL STAFF, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN YOU, WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP YOU, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL THE POSSIBILITIES OUT THERE IN THIS GREAT FIELD OF PARK AND RECREATION THAT YOU MIGHT PROMOTE INTO A FROM A MAINTENANCE WORKER TO A SENIOR MAINTENANCE WORKER OR A MAINTENANCE WORKER TO FROM THERE YOU MIGHT GO WITH TRAINING THAT WE GIVE YOU AN IN-HOUSE CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS TO A CREW LEADER, CREW LEADER OPPORTUNITY TO GET CERTIFICATIONS OR OTHER LICENSING AND MOVE INTO SUPERVISORY ROLES AND SO FORTH UP THE LADDER. BUT THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN YOUR TEAM THAT MAKES YOUR DEPARTMENT ATTRACTIV. IT'S GOING TO SEPARATE YOU FROM OTHERS. WE WANT THE CITY OF KYLE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO BE A TALENT FACTORY WHERE, STAFF ARE EXCEEDING EVEN PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. THAT'S NOT THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD FOR CITIES TO SEE YOU AS AS IN YOUR MODELS, AS SOMETHING SO ATTRACTIVE THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO POACH FROM. WE WANT TO CREATE ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN FOR STAFF, BUT IF THEIR SKILL SETS START TO EXCEED WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE, THEN I WOULD PERSONALLY WRITE A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION TO BENEFIT THEM IN THEIR CAREER AND WHAT THEY'VE INVESTED INTO OUR TEAM. BUT WE WANT TO WE BELIEVE WE CAN KEEP MOST OF THOSE STAFF HERE AND HAPPY AND INVESTED IN. SO THEY SEE THAT THE SKY IS THE LIMIT FOR THEM AND WHAT THEY CAN DO. AND IN TURN, WE GET THE MOST TALENTED TEAM IN THE REGION AND MAYBE EVEN THE STATE, INSPECTIONS AND QUALITY CONTROL. SO I MENTIONED A LOT OF IN-HOUSE TRAINING. BUT WHAT ABOUT AND I MENTIONED ALSO BRINGING PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE CERTIFICATIONS AND LICENSING, AND THEY'RE READY TO GO OUT OF THE BOX. BUT INSPECTIONS ARE GOING TO GO A LONG WAY WITH DEVELOPING AND TRAINING STAFF AS WELL. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE AN INSPECTION SHEET FOR PLAYGROUNDS FOR GROUNDS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRIAGE, AND IT'S GOING TO WALK THEM THROUGH WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR. SO SOME EXAMPLES I'VE GOT PHOTOS OF HERE. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE

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LOOKING FROM FROM SKY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO TREES TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, WHAT'S UNDERGROUND, MAKING SURE THAT YOU WALK THROUGH EVERY STEP. YOU GIVE A RATING, YOU GIVE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE STANDARDS. IF IT EXCEEDS WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO AT THE TIME, THEN THAT BECOMES A WORK ORDER THAT THE SUPERVISOR WILL GENERATE THAT GOES INTO YOUR SYSTEM THAT HAS AN ESTIMATED START TIME. COMPLETION TIME. WE HAVE, WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT NOW FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF CARTEGRAPH, WHICH IS THE CADILLAC OF ALL WORK ORDER SYSTEMS, I WAS VERY PLEASED TO JOIN KYLE AND SEE THAT WE WERE USING CARTEGRAPH BECAUSE WITH THIS, STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO ONCE WE SET SCHEDULES, WE PUT IT INTO CARTEGRAPH SYSTEM. AND IT'S LIKE THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING. IF WE SAY STEEPLECHASE PARK IS MOWED EVERY SEVEN DAYS BY THIS TEAM, IT'S GOING TO GENERATE A WORK ORDER EVERY SEVEN DAYS. ALL STAFF HAS TO DO IS ENTER THE HOURS PER EMPLOYEE, THAT THEY WERE THERE PERFORMING THAT SPECIFIC TASK AND YOU CLOSE THE WORK ORDER AND IT'S GOING TO GENERATE THE DATA ON THE BACK END. AND SO I CAN PULL NUMBERS ON HOW MANY HOURS IT TAKES TO MOW ANNUALLY. STEEPLECHASE PARK, WHAT THE COST ASSOCIATED IS. YOU CAN RUN IT ANY NUMBER OF WAYS THE DATA IS THERE. AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE DASHBOARDS AND TRANSPARENCY, WE'RE GOING TO BE REPORTING ON THAT AND SHOWING HOW MUCH BANG FOR OUR BUCK WE'RE GETTING AND HOW MUCH SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING TO THE COMMUNITY. AND IN PARKS MAINTENANCE. SO IN CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WANT TO EVALUATE HOW WELL WE'RE DOING. WE WANT TO EVALUATE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE OR PIVOT ANYTHING. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE ANNUALLY. SO FOR INSTANCE WITH RECREATION WE'RE TAKING A MODEL FOR LIFE CYCLE OF A PRODUCT FROM THE BOSTON CONSULTING GROUP. AND WE'VE ADAPTED IT TO RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING AND EVENTS. AND SO YOU SEE A STAR A QUESTION MARK, CASH COW AND A DOG. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE SEE EVENTS THAT ARE, DOING REALLY WELL. AND THERE ARE PERENNIAL EVENTS THAT GOES INTO OUR SAY, CASH COW, AND IN FACT, I'M GOING TO ADVANCE AHEAD A BIT. WE'RE GOING TO ADAPT THIS TO CALL IT RISING STAR QUESTION MARK, SHINING STAR AND FADING STAR. AND SO IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE EVENTS, THAT'S A PERENNIAL STAPLE, YOU'RE YOU'RE A SHINING STAR. AND SO WE FEEL LIKE WE JUST WANT TO IMPROVE ON YOU AND ADJUST EVERY YEAR. BUT IF YOU'RE AN EVENT THAT MAYBE DOESN'T MEET THE THRESHOLDS, AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, MAYBE WE'RE JUST NOT PROMOTING WELL ENOUGH, YOU MIGHT GO INTO THE QUESTION MARK CATEGORY AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EVALUATING THIS CLOSELY, TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PARTICULAR EVENT AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND THAT MIGHT TRANSITION BACK TO, SAY, A CASH COW. THEN YOU HAVE A RISING STAR. AND SO, FOR THE RISING STAR, THOSE ARE YOUR EVENTS WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE NEED TO PILOT THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS THE FUTURE OF KYLE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING RIGHT NOW TO MAKE A TOTAL LAUNCH. WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE IF, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A SUCCESS IN A HIT, BUT LET'S. CAN WE REALLOCATE, SAY, SOMETHING FROM A FADING STAR THAT HASN'T MET THRESHOLDS, THAT ISN'T MEETING NUMBERS, THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T REALLY SUPPORT OR ATTEND, AND REALLOCATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TO PILOT A PROGRAM AS OUR RISING STAR. AND THEN IF WE SEE IN EVALUATING THE METRICS THAT, HEY, THIS IS REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND EVERYBODY LOVES IT, IT'S JUST AS EXPECTED, THEN THAT COULD TRANSITION TO BECOME OUR SHINING STAR PERENNIAL EVENT. AND WE MAY COME THE FOLLOWING BUDGET CYCLE TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE BUY FOR WHAT'S WHAT'S APPROVED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, CIP AND THESE ARE SOME STALLED PROJECTS. I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY. AND SO, SOME OF YOU ASKED ABOUT THE EXERCISE STATIONS, THAT'S CALLED WE CALL IT THE NATIONAL FITNESS COURT PROJECT NFC, WHICH IS SLATED FOR LATE. KYLE AND SO WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT IS PARK BOARD APPROVED. SOME OF THE ARTWORK THAT'S GOING TO AS A MURAL PIECE TO THIS THIS FITNESS SET, LAST MEETING AND THEY THEY RECOMMENDED A LITTLE BIT OF ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ARTWORK, WHICH IS AN HOMAGE TO LAKE KYLE, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND THEN FIND THE APPROPRIATE PLACE AT LAKE KYLE FOR INSTALLATION.

AND SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO START THAT CONSTRUCTION IN DECEMBER. PLUM CREEK EAST TRAIL, THIS, SO WE HAVE ABOUT $4 MILLION BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY FUNDS FOR FOUR TRAILS. AND SO THIS PLUM CREEK PROJECT IS PERTINENT TO, EAST OF 35, IN PARTICULAR, BETWEEN LAKE KYLE OR SPANNING LAKE KYLE TO WATERLEAF PARK. AND THERE'S A LOT OF SEGMENTS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR THAT WE ALREADY OWN. AND SO WITH ABOUT $3.6 MILLION REMAINING FROM THAT BUDGET, WE'VE ASKED THE CONSULTANT TO GO FROM PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REVIEW AT 30% TO A FULL DESIGN PACKAGE. SO ONCE THEY GIVE US THAT BID PROPOSAL BACK, WE'LL BE BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE GO INTO CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS THIS SUMMER TO CREATE A SPINE THAT GIVES ACCESS THROUGHOUT THAT CORRIDOR AND CONNECTS TO OUR SOFT SURFACE TRAILS THROUGHOUT, PLUM CREEK TRAIL, PART OF THAT SAME FUNDING BUCKET IS A FITNESS STATION

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PROJECT THAT THE TRAILS COMMITTEE IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING RIGHT NOW. THIS FITNESS STATION THAT THEY WERE PARTIAL TO IS MANUFACTURED BY BY BURKE. AND SO THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS WITHIN ITS BUDGET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH TRAILS COMMITTEE TO GET THIS RIGHT. AND THEN IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, IT'S GOING TO EXCEED, THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE AUTHORIZED TO SPEND. WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION.

THERE'S A RESTROOM PROJECT AT PLUM CREEK TRAIL AT THE BENTON CREEK TRAILHEAD, AND WE'RE SLATED TO BEGIN INSTALLATION HERE NEXT MONTH. AND THEN THE SKATE PARK AT GREG CLARK PARK.

WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT. AND THE STATUS UPDATE IS THIS PROJECT WAS STALLED TO ALLOW NEW STAFF LIKE MYSELF TIME TO ASSESS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BRING THE FINAL CONCEPT THAT WAS DESIGNED BY SBA BACK TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND FEEDBACK AND IF WE SAY, HEY, WE THIS IS SOMETHING WE LIKE OR WE WANT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, WE'LL WORK WITH SBA TO ALTER DESIGN OR TO MOVE FORWARD. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACT TO USE THEM TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD OUT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS. THEY'RE ALSO A VERY REPUTABLE COMPANY IN THE INDUSTRY FOR SKATE PARKS.

THEY'RE ONE OF TWO 800 POUND GORILLAS THAT BUILD THESE THINGS. SO WHEN I SAW WE HAD A PROJECT THAT WAS DESIGNED BY SBA WITH ALL THIS GREAT COMMUNITY INPUT AND INVOLVEMENT, I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO PROGRESS BECAUSE I WAS ON PARKS WHEN WE STARTED THAT WHOLE PROCESS WITH THEM, AND THEY DID SOME PHENOMENAL COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT SESSIONS THAT WERE VERY WELL ATTENDED, PERHAPS THE BEST WELL ATTENDED. I'VE SEEN SO FAR. YES, MA'AM. AND MAYOR PRO TEM KAYAK WAS ALSO HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE INCEPTION OF THIS PROJECT AS YOU AS YOU RECALL, POST HOC RESTROOM. AND SO WE HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING FOR SEPTEMBER 29TH WITH THE COMMUNITY GARDEN. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE RESTROOM. THERE'S JUST SOME MINOR ADA PUNCH LIST ITEMS THAT REMAIN, THE COMMUNITY GARDEN.

SEPTEMBER 29TH. WE'RE EXCITED FOR THAT RIBBON CUTTING. AND TO GET THAT, THOSE GARDEN PLOTS, UNDER AGREEMENT, WE ALSO ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT A PARK AND RECREATION BUILDING FOR STAFF TO HELP DECOMPRESS THE AMOUNT OF STAFF WE HAVE IN LAKE KYLE, AS WELL AS THE PARKS BUILDING ON ON VETERANS DRIVE, WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING NEGOTIATIONS FOR THAT BUILDING. AND THEN THERE WAS A PROJECT ON THE STALL LIST THAT WAS FOR IT'S IDENTIFIED AS BMX. I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM THE TRAILS GROUP THAT THIS MIGHT BE LIKE A MOUNTAIN BIKE TYPE PROJECT, OR IT COULD BE LIKE A HYBRID OF BOTH, LIKE SOME KIND OF A BIKE PLAYGROUND TO BE FEATURED ALONG ONE OF THE VIBE NODES. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO RESURRECT THIS PROJECT AND, WE MIGHT START WITH A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON WHAT WE'RE WHERE IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE. WE'LL TALK WITH STANTEC AND THE MASTER PLAN AND SEE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT, OR IF WE WANT TO COLLABORATE OR, WITH MAYBE SOME CONSULTANT TO SUPPLEMENT WITH STANTEC DOING WHATEVER THE BEST PATH FORWARD IS. WE'LL GET THE RIGHT INPUT FROM EVERYBODY AND MOVE ON THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE IT IS CURRENTLY FUNDED AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, BEEN PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT. MR. LOPEZ? YES, SIR, MAYBE ON 21 IS YOUR UPCOMING PILOT PROGRAMS. DID WE GET THAT SLIDE ON? I'M SORRY. DID YOU PRESENT THAT SLIDE EARLIER? I'M SORRY. BECAUSE IT HAD HEROES MEMORIAL PARK. OH, YES. HEROES MEMORIAL.

DID I MISS DID I SKIP A HOLE? I THINK YOU JUST. IT'S A I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING IT. OKAY? YEAH OKAY. IS IT AT THE END. WE ALSO HAVE ONE ON HERE. I'M GLAD YOU STOPPED ME BECAUSE, MARY KYLE HEARTS AND RESTROOM WAS ALSO BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE HAD A RESTROOM ORIGINALLY SLATED FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE REEVALUATING THE RIGHT TYPE OF RESTROOM FOR THAT PARK AS WELL. MAKE SURE WE'RE CHECKING IN WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.

YES, THAT'S WHAT STOPPED IT LAST TIME. YES, MAKING SURE THAT WE SUBMIT EVERYTHING, TALK TO THEM AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM CLOSELY, PLEASE. YES, SIR. THE ONE SIZE FITS ALL RESTROOM IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A SITE LIKE MARY HARTMAN, SIMILAR TO HEROES MEMORIAL, WHICH WE'LL DISCUSS SHORTLY. THANK YOU. DAVID. YES, SIR. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW PROJECTS 2025, STARTING WITH THE PROSE MASTER PLAN. WE'VE TALKED AD NAUSEAM ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S JUST SO EXCITING FOR US. AND IT'S GOING TO SHAPE THE NEXT TEN YEARS FOR KYLE, GIVE US THE DIRECTION. AND IT'S GOING TO BE HEAVY IN COMMUNITY INPUT FROM NOT ONLY, THE RESIDENTS OF KYLE, BUT ALSO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS INVOLVED. AND, THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE RIGHT DATA THAT WE ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS OUR FUTURE. AND ALSO WE'RE GOING IN ANTICIPATION OF PROJECTS FOR 2025. AND WHAT'S COMING ON THE MASTER PLAN. WE FELT IT APPROPRIATE TO START THE RFP PROCESS FOR A PARK SPECIFIC ROTATION LIST, ENGINEERING HAS

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BEEN GREAT. LEON'S BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE IN HIS TEAM, AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL SOME PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SHORTLY FROM HIS ENGINEERING ROTATION LIST, BUT WE NEED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRMS WHO REALLY SPECIALIZE IN THESE THINGS. AND SO THAT RFP SHOULD BE ADVERTISING LATER THIS MONTH. HEROES MEMORIAL. SO WE HAVE A BUDGET OF A QUARTER MILLION. WE HAVE BEEN, WORKING WITH CADENCE MCSHANE. THE ORIGINAL DESIGN BUILDER FOR THE PARK, TO DESIGN THE APPROPRIATE RESTROOM FOR THIS PARK, THIS PROJECT IS WELL WITHIN WITHIN BUDGET TO GET THE RIGHT THING FOR THIS SITE. AND WE'RE JUST AWAITING A PROPOSAL. RETURN FROM KATIE MCSHANE ON THE DESIGN AND BUILD SERVICES THEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT WE CAN THEN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. SO WE ANTICIPATE COMPLETION, I WOULD SAY LATER SPRING, MAYBE EARLY SUMMER FOR THAT RESTROOM, HOPEFULLY IN TIME FOR SOME OF SOME MORE PROGRAMING AT THE SITE. WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED AN OUTDOOR STYLE RESTROOM OR THE LOBBY THAT WE ORIGINALLY WERE BRINGING FORWARD A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT HAS THE AIR CONDITIONED INSIDE FOR VETERANS, THIS WOULD BE AN OUTDOOR RESTROOM WITH WITH DRINKING FOUNTAINS BUILT IN. BUT, YOU KNOW, INDOOR UNITS AND APPROPRIATE SPACE. THERE'S ALREADY A FOOTPRINT AT THE SITE. THAT CADENCE, MCSHANE SAID, WAS ORIGINALLY SLATED FOR THE RESTROOM. SO THEY'RE ABLE TO USE ECONOMIES OF SCALE TO ENSURE THAT THEY CAN. THE MVP IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR THEM AT THE SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR, LINEBARGER LAKE IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET IS $400,000. WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH WGI FROM THAT ENGINEERING ROTATION LIST TO DESIGN A FISHING PIER WITH MAYBE A SHADE STRUCTURE. AND SO WE ANTICIPATE GOING FROM PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REVIEW TO FULL DESIGN BY WINTER 2024, THAT DESIGN HOPEFULLY WOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN 90 DAYS THAT WE CAN MOVE TO LET FOR CONSTRUCTION. MAYBE BY BY LATE SPRING. I REALLY LIKE THAT RENDERING. I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. SO WHATEVER Y'ALL COME UP WITH, IT'S CLOSE TO THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING. YEAH. AND THAT RENDERING I TOOK FROM ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE DID, BUT YEAH, FROM THE AERIAL VIEW, THOSE WERE TWO SHADE STRUCTURES. AND THERE'S LIKE A THERE'S LIKE A FISHING. WELL IN THE CENTER. SO IT'S KIND OF A LOFTY IDEAL. BUT WE'LL TRY TO REALLY STRETCH THAT 400,000 TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK FOR THE SITE. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, ACCESS TO THAT LAKE IS A LITTLE FUNKY. I'VE WALKED OVER THERE SEVERAL TIMES. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT MAKING A PATH DOWN TO THE LAKE OR ANYTHING? WELL, THIS SITE IS INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, AND SO THAT THAT PARK WILL GET ITS OWN MASTER PLAN. IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE COME FROM ELSEWHERE TO FISH THIS LAKE. IT'S GOT APPARENTLY GREAT FISH. YEAH, IT'S A REALLY NICE PROPERTY AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT. BUT, IN TALKING TO STANTEC, WE WENT AND TOURED LIONBERGER LAKE PROPERTY TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE UNDEVELOPED PARKS THAT NEEDED A MASTER PLAN. AND THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS FISHING PIER AS WELL, AND THAT IT WOULDN'T BE OF ANY CONFLICT FOR ANYTHING THAT THEY BUILD OUT FOR THE FUTURE. OKAY, SO STEEPLECHASE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. WE'VE GOT A BUDGET OF ABOUT 170, 150,000 TO INCLUDE PARKING LOT.

SOME LIGHTING, SOME LANDSCAPING, SOME CHARGING STATIONS. AND SO THIS IS ALSO UNDER PAR WITH HDR.

AND SO THE TIMELINE IS WE WANT TO GET THE FULL DESIGN IN THE WINTER. AND START CONSTRUCTION BY THE SUMMERTIME. STEEPLECHASE IS A REALLY POPULAR PARK ALONG WITH WATERLEAF. AND SO WE THINK THESE ARE REALLY TIME SENSITIVE FOR US IN THE FIRST TWO DOMINOES FOR GETTING THESE, THESE PARKS ROLLING AND, UP TO SNUFF. SO SAME WITH WATERLEAF. WE'VE GOT 1.175 MILLION FOR PARKING LOT SHADE LANDSCAPING, IT'S A IT'S A BIG PARK. AND ALSO YOU'VE GOT SOME BALL FIELDS THERE. AND SO IF THERE'S ANY RESIDUAL FUNDING, WE MIGHT LOOK AT MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. THERE'S A LOT THAT WE CAN DO THERE. I'VE GOT A FEW EXAMPLES OF, OF LIKE BIOSWALES AND SOME OF OUR PARKING LOTS. SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING INTO THE LANDSCAPING SAYING, HOW CAN WE REALLY RECLAIM SOME SOME RUNOFF WATER BUILD SUSTAINABLE PARKING LOTS, REDUCE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, BUT ALSO MAKE IT PRACTICAL AND PROGRAMMATIC FOR THE NEEDS AND THE TRAFFIC. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE LIGHTING STEEPLECHASE AND THESE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS. AND YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD LIKE BASEBALL FIELDS OUT THERE THAT JUST NEED MORE MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? SO IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE ALL OF THAT. IS THIS CIP, THE 25 MILLION PARKS BUDGET? YES. THAT'S THAT'S 25 MILLION OVER OVER FIVE YEARS. IT'S A IT'S A GOOD REINVESTMENT IN OUR OLDER EXISTING PARKS, ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YES. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED, THIS ONE I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. THIS IS THE LAKE KENSINGTON NATURE PARK. THE BUDGET IS $17 MILLION OVER FY 25. AND FY 26. WE'VE GOT AN RFP THAT'S GOING TO BE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ADVERTISED.

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YESTERDAY WE HAD SOME DELAY AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ADVERTISING IT THIS MONDAY. WE MIGHT SHRINK DOWN THE OPENING WINDOW. WE HAD IT OPEN FOR A MONTH TO GET GET BIDS AND PROPOSALS IN, WE MIGHT SHRINK THAT TO THREE WEEKS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE IN THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE ON THE PARK. I'VE TAKEN SOME URBAN BIOLOGIST OUT AND SOME MASTER NATURALISTS TO LOOK AT THE SITE AND GIVE ME THEIR OPINION. SOME WELL RESPECTED COLLEAGUES IN THE INDUSTRY, AND THEY WERE REALLY JAZZED ABOUT THIS SITE. THEY SAID, THIS IS SUCH A PRISTINE SITE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF KYLE. THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY ATTRACTIVE DRAW, NOT JUST FOR THE CITY, BUT EVEN EVEN THE REGION. WITH THIS BUDGET. AND SO, THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT WHAT THESE RFPS ARE GOING TO PROPOSE. AND THE POSSIBILITIES. I HAVE A FEW, CONCEPTUAL EXAMPLES FROM OTHER NATURE PARKS WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE HEAVY. WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE IN THE RFP, PUBLIC INPUT, WE WANT TO SEE THE BEST CONCEPTS THAT THEY CAN MUSTER UP TO GET US TOWARDS THIS GOAL OF BEING, AGAIN, A REGIONAL DRAW FOR, FOR NATURE PARKS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT. YEAH. THIS IS A PRISTINE PIECE OF PROPERTY. I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS TOOK ME OUT THERE ON SUNDAY. I HADN'T BEEN OUT THERE IN 20 YEARS. I USED TO HUNT ON THAT PROPERTY WHEN I WAS A KID. BUT, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? I HADN'T SEEN IT FROM THE LOVE THAT I GOT TO SEE IT UP ON THAT HILL. AND IT'S JUST A GORGEOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY. REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES. I MEAN, JUST SEEING IT EVEN MOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT WOULD BE AN AMAZING PLACE TO GO VISIT. BUT, WHEN WE BUILD SOMETHING THERE, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE CROWN JEWEL OF THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S JUST A PRISTINE PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE WAY THE LAKE IS SHAPED, I MEAN, THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS. SO LET'S NOT SHORTCHANGE OURSELVES. LET'S LET'S BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE AND BEAUTIFUL FOR THE RESIDENTS FOREVER. WE'RE GOING ALL IN ON THIS ONE. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED. AND IT'S GOT WETLANDS. IT'S ALSO HAS PRAIRIE PLANT SPECIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. I HADN'T SEEN SWITCHGRASS MY ENTIRE TIME IN KYLE. THIS PROPERTY HAS SWITCHGRASS AND THEN THE TRAILS COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE, TOO. I SORT OF LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WAS COMING AND TO KEEP THEIR EYES ON IT. SO THEY'RE EXCITED TO HOPEFULLY GET INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL. YES, SIR. SO TWO, TWO THOUGHTS ON THIS, NUMBER ONE IS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE FROM THE OUTSET THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN WORK, WE'RE DESIGNING FOR THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE PARK, EVEN IN THE AREAS OWNED BY WC INVESTMENTS AND THE AREAS OWNED BY SOUTH LAKE RANCH. SO THE CONCEPT IS FOR THE WHOLE THING. AND THEN WE CAN THAT HELPS US TO TAKE THE CONCEPTS TO SOUTH LAKE RANCH HOA AND SHOW THEM WHAT WE'RE PLANNING AS WELL AS TO THE WC INVESTMENTS GROUP WHO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT THEY'LL PROBABLY BE WORKING ON IN THE COMING YEARS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEDICATE THE FLOODPLAIN ANYWAY. AND SO THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND DEDICATE THIS TO US SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THIS, AND THEN IT WILL BE YOUR ACCESS POINT IN LIEU OF THEIR PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEES AND WHATEVER ELSE. SO I DO WANT TO, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE AN OBJECTION, I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT REALLY CLEAR THAT WE WANT THIS THESE ARCHITECTS AND DESIGN FIRMS TO DESIGN THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE PARK. AND THEN SECONDARILY, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT ALONG THE WAY SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST STAFF REVIEWING THE DIFFERENT FIRMS AND PROPOSALS AND BRINGING SOMETHING MORE BAKED BACK TO US, BUT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, LIKE IN A TASK FORCE SITUATION, WHO ARE THERE INTERVIEWING THESE FIRMS, TAKING THE POLITICAL DYNAMICS INTO CONSIDERATION, AS WELL AS JUST THE VISION, THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE POLICYMAKERS WHO ARE DOING THIS PROJECT. SO I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS NOW, THIS, THIS. BUT I DO THINK THOSE TWO THINGS IN PARTICULAR, A TASK FORCE THAT GETS BY THE, BY THE 1015 RESPONSES, DO SO THAT WE'VE CREATED THE TASK FORCE BY THEN. EXACTLY. TO GO THROUGH THE PROPOSALS AND BE A PART OF THE GROUP THAT MAKES THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN HAVING THEM DESIGN THE CIRCUMFERENCE, THE FULL CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE PARK NOTED. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND SO I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE. AND SO WE'RE MOVING SORT OF TO THE CRESCENDO NOW. AND SO WORKING TOWARDS BEING AN AWARD WINNING ORGANIZATION THAT IS ACCREDITED. SO WE HAVE GOALS TO DISTINGUISH OURSELVES AS AN INDUSTRY LEADER TO SHOW, CREDIBILITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT WE COMPLIED. TO ALL OF THE CRITERIA BY NATIONAL STANDARDS, AND THAT MAYBE WE'VE SEPARATED OURSELVES AS A TOP 1 OR 2% OF ALL PARK AGENCIES IN THE NATION. WE THINK THIS IS AN ATTAINABLE GOAL WITH WITH THIS PLAN THAT HAS JUST BEEN LAID BEFORE YOU. WITHIN TWO YEARS. WE WANT TO BE REALLY 1 TO

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2 YEARS, START RACKING UP SOME AWARDS AT THE STATE LEVEL, AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, AND EVENTUALLY THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND THEN ALSO POSITIONING OURSELVES TO START WORKING TOWARDS SUBMISSION FOR ACCREDITATION WITHIN THE 3 TO 4 YEAR WINDOW. AND I'LL TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK AT THIS POINT. COUNCILMEMBER. PARTIALLY I WAS NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO GO HOME, BUT I HAVE TO, YOU ADDRESSED SO MANY THINGS THAT WERE LIKE MUSIC TO MY EARS. YOU TALKED ABOUT EFFICIENCY, THE STANDARDS OF CARE, THE SCHEDULING, WHICH I AM SO BIG ON IT. TALK ABOUT, HAVING A MANUAL THAT HAS OUTLINED PROCEDURES FOR NEW STAFF MEMBERS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE EVEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WHEN WE HAD THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BRINGS ME BACK TO LIKE MY GRADUATE SCHOOL DAYS, SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE A METRICS AND HAVING SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE SCHEDULING AHEAD OF TIME TO PREVENT THE DAMAGING OR EXTENDING THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF PARKS OR EQUIPMENT AND ALL OF THAT, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE HOW THIS IS GOING TO PLAY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SO MUCH FEEDBACK ABOUT, ISSUES WITH OUR PARKS OR THE PUMPS OR LIKE, THIS IS NOT TAKEN CARE OF OR THE BATHROOMS OR WHATEVER. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE HOW YOU ARE ADDRESSING ALL OF THAT. SO THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM YEAH. JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, A GREAT PRESENTATION, BY THE WAY.

I LOVE THE PRESENTATION WAS GREAT, BUT I ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU REALLY EMPHASIZED WAS BUILDING TO THE HIGHEST QUALITY AND SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO REITERATE IS LIKE THE SKATE PARK THAT WE'VE GOT COMING. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD USE IN TWO FACETS NOT LIMITING OURSELVES. IT COULD BE A SKATE PARK, BUT ALSO A, YOU KNOW, BMX PARK AS WELL, COURT CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI DID A GREAT JOB WITH WHAT THEY HAD. BUT THEN THEY WENT BACK AND REDID IT. AND IT'S AN AMAZING COMPLEX THAT ENCOMPASSES BOTH SKATEBOARDERS AND BIKE RIDERS. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S AMAZING, REALLY BUILDING TO THAT LEVEL OF USABILITY IS IMPORTANT, THE OTHER THING YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS IS TEXAS, AND I LOVE THAT YOU SAID SHADE STRUCTURES, BECAUSE ANYTIME WE PUT A PLAYSCAPE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OPEN FIELD AND WITHOUT SHADE, NOBODY'S GOING TO UTILIZE IT. I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH. IT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT YOU GET TO USE IT OR EARLY IN THE MORNING. AND MOST KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL EARLY IN THE MORNING. SO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO BUILD UP TO THE STANDARD WHERE IT'S USABLE, USER FRIENDLY, WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND UTILIZE IT IS IMPORTANT. AND THEN, JUST CONTINUE TO GROW. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WHAT WE SEE. BUT REALLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO COUNCIL IS THANK YOU ALL FOR INVESTING INTO THE PARK SYSTEM, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON A DAIS THAT WE'VE REALLY MADE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN OUR PARKS, OUR AGING PARKS AND ALL OUR PARK SYSTEMS. BUT IT'S NOT JUST IN THE STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING. IT'S IN THE STAFF. AS WELL. MAKE THE WAY WE ARE NOW HIRING PROFESSIONALS FOR THE RIGHT JOBS. THAT'S IMPORTANT. BUT I LOVE THE TRAINING ASPECT THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE MOVE UP THROUGH THE SYSTEM, GETTING THEM TRAINED.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS BEEN ON THE GROUND WORKING WITH THEIR THEIR HANDS IN THE SOIL, AS WE SAY, AND NOW THEY'RE WORKING THEIR WAY UP TO A MANAGEMENT POSITION, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG LOVE AND CARE FOR THE FACILITY THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINING. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I LOVE THAT PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION. I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT. THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOING TO SET US APART AS A CITY FOR RETENTION, BUT ALSO MAKING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE HERE, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. BUT YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION TO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. IF I COULD JUST ADD REAL QUICK, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF AS WELL, BUT IT'S A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS AND SOMETHING THAT, HOLDS TRUE TO MYSELF. AND I'M GOING TO JUST ALSO SAY FOR COUNCILMAN OR MAYOR PRO TEM RESO WE GREW UP IN THIS SMALL LITTLE TOWN. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAD GROWING UP WAS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THAT WAS OUR ONLY PARK THAT WE EVER HAD, AND THEN WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE JANITOR OPEN UP THE GYM FOR US DURING THE SUMMERTIME. SO IF WE WANTED TO GO SWIMMING, WE WOULD HAVE TO EITHER PARENTS TAKE US DOWN OR WE WOULD CATCH A SCHOOL BUS DRIVEN BY A TEACHER HERE THAT WOULD TAKE US TO THE SWIMMING POOL. SO COMING BACK FROM THE ROOTS OF ALL OF THAT, TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AMAZING. AND SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON BOARD. I'M, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S WHAT'S COMING FORWARD. AND, GOOD GOOD JOB ON ON THE NUMBERS BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK DOCUMENTING EVERY LITTLE THING AS FAR AS OUR GAS AND HOW MUCH MOTORS WE USE, IT'S GOING TO REALLY HELP YOU NEXT SUMMER WHEN WE HAVE BUDGET SEASON, YOU CAN

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SAY, HEY, WE REALLY DON'T NEED THESE MOWERS, OR WE CAN CUT BACK AND SO FORTH. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP ON THAT END. SO, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS WELL. AND I THINK THE REASON WHY I CALLED, I CALLED IT EARLIER WAS I KNOW THE UPCOMING AND NEW PILOT PROGRAMS. ONE OF THEM WAS THE HEROES MEMORIAL PARK EVENTS. IT WAS LIKE SOME PILOT PROGRAMS THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT, BUT I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY IS BRINGING AN AGENDA ITEM TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO NOTES. GO DO IT. THANK YOU ALL.

[29) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding a new logo and branding for the Kyle Public Library.]

ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29. RECEIVER REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION. PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A NEW LOGO AND BRANDING FOR THE KYLE PUBLIC LIBRARY. THANK YOU FOR HANGING WITH US. OF COURSE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, LESLIE SCOTT LIBRARY DIRECTOR.

AND I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A NEW LOGO AND BRANDING FOR THE LIBRARY. SO OUR CURRENT LOGO WAS CREATED IN 2015 BY A LIBRARY STAFF MEMBER TO DISPLAY ON SHIRTS, SOCIAL MEDIA MARKETING AND FLIERS, AND THE CITY LOGO WAS ALSO USED INTERCHANGEABLY AND MORE RECENTLY, MORE PREDOMINANTLY THAN THIS LOGO THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU. WE TASKED THE KYLE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO CREATE SOME SUGGESTIONS WITH THEIR EXPERTISE ON FONTS AND COLORS FOR AN UPDATED LIBRARY, LOGO AND BRANDING TO MOVE INTO THE FUTURE. HAVING A SEPARATE LIBRARY LOGO IS VERY COMMON FOR LIBRARIES, DUE TO THE ALL AGES OF SERVICES THAT WE OFFER. VIBRANT, ENERGETIC, FUN, CLEVER AND A SOCIABLE SHOULD BE PART OF A LIBRARY'S LOGO. LOGOS THAT DIFFERENT DIFFER FROM THEIR CITY'S OF SOME OF OUR COMPARISON CITIES INCLUDE AUSTIN, BUDA, CEDAR PARK, ROUND ROCK, SAN ANTONIO AND SAN MARCOS. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IS PRETTY COMMON. SO THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT CAME UP WITH THREE OPTIONS TO START OFF WITH. FOR US, THIS IS OPTION NUMBER ONE. THE ARC IS ACTUALLY BOOKS OPENED UP EVER SO SLIGHTLY. THE KYLE LOGO, THE CPL AND THEN THE WORDS KYLE PUBLIC LIBRARY. THIS THIS OPTION. THE CHARACTERISTICS ARE VIBRANT, ENERGETIC AND OPTIMISTIC. AND THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON A POTENTIAL LIBRARY CARD. A TOTE BAG, AND THEN SOME OTHER PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS. OPTION TWO INCLUDES THE WATER TOWER AND THE BOOK IS THE BASE. IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THE OPEN BOOK THERE AND THE CPL IS BOLD, AND THEN THE KYLE PUBLIC LIBRARY SPELLED OUT. THIS HAS CHARACTERISTICS OF RELAXED, SOFT, PROUD. THERE'S THE LIBRARY CARD IN THE TOTE AND ADDITIONAL PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS. OPTION THREE IS THE BOOK PROVIDES A FILIGREE KIND OF IN EACH OF THE CORNERS. CHARACTERISTICS ARE MODERN, TEXTURAL AND BRIGHT. THERE IT IS ON THE CARD, THE TOTE AND PROMOTIONAL. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDED EDITS TO OPTION NUMBER ONE. WE REALLY LIKED IT, BUT WE ASKED THAT PERHAPS THE CPL BE TAKEN OUT REMOVED BECAUSE IT WAS DEEMED REDUNDANT, AND THEN MAYBE A BRIGHTER YELLOW. THE FONT. SO THIS IS WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH.

THE FONT USED IS ADONIS, WHICH PAIRS WELL WITH THE CITY STANDARDS OF MONTSERRAT. BODY TEXT IS SIMILAR LETTERFORMS TO PALATINO, WHICH IS USED FOR THE CITY OF KYLE LOGO ALREADY, BUT IT IS A LITTLE MORE ROUNDED, SOFTER AND FRIENDLIER. THE LOGO USES IMAGERY OF BOOKS THAT CREATE THE RISING SUN OVER THE IMAGE, AND WARM AND BRIGHT ATMOSPHERE THAT WE WANT TO PORTRAY AT OUR KYLE PUBLIC LIBRARY. THE MARK OF THE BOOKS TRANSLATES WELL ACROSS OVERALL BRANDING, SINCE THAT CAN BE USED AS A VISUAL CUE FOR THE BRAND WITHOUT EVEN USING ANY TEXT INSIDE THE LOGO. SO LAST THURSDAY AT THE LIBRARY BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD DID RECOMMEND THAT THE LOGO, WITH MODIFICATIONS BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. SO WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROPOSED LIBRARY BRAND AND LOGO OR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION.

I'M LOOKING AT DANIELLE. I FIGURED SHE'S COMING RIGHT OUT WITH IT. SO COUNCILMAN PARSLEY, THE SECOND ONE. IT WAS SO CUTE. THE SECOND ONE YOU LIKE THE. BUT THAT'S I'M LIKE I WAS JUST I JUST HAVE TO SAY I'M SORRY. SO I DO LIKE THIS ONE. AND WHEN YOU FIRST BROUGHT IT, THE FIRST ONE OUT, I JUST KEPT THINKING ABOUT THE YELLOW LETTERING ON THE BOTTOM. IT REALLY DIDN'T POP. SO WHEN YOU CAME BACK WITH THE BLUE LETTERING, I REALLY LIKED THAT A LOT BETTER. I KEPT THINKING, BECAUSE YOU HAD YELLOW ON THE BOTTOM, YELLOW ON THE TOP. IT JUST TOOK AWAY FROM THE YELLOW UP ON TOP THE SUN. RIGHT? I AGREE, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING AS WELL. I LIKE THIS ONE. I DO LIKE THE FIRST ONE WITH THE WATER TOWER, BUT THIS THIS ONE'S A LOT NICER. I DO LIKE THIS ONE.

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I THINK THIS WILL LOOK BEAUTIFUL TOO. ON OUR NEW MOBILE LIBRARY, WE CAN REALLY PLAY UP THIS KIND OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE COMING UP THAT THE LIBRARY WILL PROVIDE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I LIKE IT AS WELL, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT AS WHENEVER YOU DO THE LIBRARY SUMMER EVENTS, AND IF YOU MAKE T SHIRTS FOR KIDS, YOU CAN BE ABLE TO PASS THOSE OUT. AND ALSO THE YELLOW CARD.

SO THAT COULD ALSO BE A STAPLE FOR OUR CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT COLORED CARDS, BUT THE YELLOW LIBRARY CARD SIGNIFIES OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY. SO I KIND OF LIKE THIS. I LIKE THIS VERSION. SUPER STANDS OUT ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE OPTION ONE. SECOND MOTION BY THE MAYOR.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS. IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL I WISH WE WERE BUILDING A SECOND LIBRARY. TO BE HONEST, BUT I THINK I'M. I'LL SETTLE FOR A SECOND, SO I'LL SETTLE FOR A LOGO. YEAH, EXACTLY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? OCTOBER 2ND? WE'LL DISCUSS IT LATER. VISIONING WORKSHOP WAS A LIBRARY. THANK YOU. YES. ALL SAVED. ALL RIGHT.

[30) Consider directing the City Manager to develop a plan to enhance events at Heroes Memorial Park by collaborating with non-profit organizations in our community.]

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES 7 TO 0. NEXT UP, AGENDA ITEM 30. CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO ENHANCE EVENTS AT HEROES MEMORIAL PARK BY COLLABORATING WITH NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY. THIS WON'T TAKE LONG. I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CREATED THE HEROES MEMORIAL PARK IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PARK. I VISITED ABOUT ONCE A WEEK, BUT I HAVE SEEN THAT THERE IS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A DISCONNECT INTO THE PROGRAMING FOR THE HEROES MEMORIAL PARK AND THE EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THERE. I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST, VFW HAS VOLUNTEERED TO HOST EVENTS AND FOR SPECIFIC DATES, AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE TAKING OVER THOSE EVENTS AND ASKING FOR COLLABORATION FROM THESE ORGANIZATIONS, BECAUSE THE THING I DON'T WANT IS FOR THE VFW TO WANT TO HOST AN EVENT, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE EMBEDS THAT WANT TO GO AHEAD AND HOST. AND IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF DISCONNECT BETWEEN THEM OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO ALSO, PARTICIPATE, THEN THERE MAY BE A CHALLENGE. SO I THINK THAT IT WILL BE MORE ORGANIZED FOR THE CITY TO TAKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT SOUNDS BAD, BUT TAKE OVER AND DO THE PROGRAMING AND ASK FOR COLLABORATION FROM THESE ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S ALL I. I SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH THAT. SO YEAH. MAYOR PRO TEM. YEAH MIKE GO AHEAD. YOU'RE YOU'RE NO, NO YOU GO AHEAD OKAY. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT'S NOT REALLY TAKING OVER. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING AS A CITY. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HONORING NINE OVER 11 AND REALLY PROMOTING IT. I THINK THAT WE, WHEN WE HAVE HOLIDAYS TO HONOR OUR VETERANS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AS A CITY AUTOMATICALLY AND COLLABORATING WITH ALL THOSE OTHER YOU KNOW, I JUST ATTENDED THE NINE OVER 11 CEREMONY AT THE VFW PUT ON. THERE WAS NO ADVERTISING. THERE WAS THE NUMBERS WERE REALLY SMALL. THERE WAS HARDLY ANYONE THERE. I DON'T EVEN RECALL BEING INVITED. THERE WAS THERE WAS REALLY. NO, IT WAS, IT WAS, I WAS I WASN'T EITHER. SO YEAH, I JUST SHOWED UP. SO THEY SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF THAT, FRANKLY. BUT THE THING WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THIS? BECAUSE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT AND WE'RE NOT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO, IS TAKE ON MORE OF THESE EVENTS WHERE WE'RE PROMOTING IT. WE'RE BRINGING MORE PEOPLE OUT. 911 WAS IMPORTANT. I MEAN, WE BUILT A WE HAVE A MEMORIAL TO, YOU KNOW, HONOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS. AND WE'RE AS A CITY, WE DID NOTHING.