Oct 08, 2024 Planning and Zoning Meeting

MAKE A NOMINATION.

OH, YOU'RE MY, YOUR MICS MAKE A NOMINATION.

RE REAPPOINTMENT OF SARAH KIN.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? UM, WHILE I AM UNDER THE SCHOOL OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SHARING THE WEALTH AND MOVING, UH, LETTING OTHERS BE APART, I DON'T THINK THE OTHER TWO MORE VETERAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION WANT THAT POSITION.

SO I'M GOOD WITH SARAH TO CONTINUE.

WHAT, WHAT NEXT? AND THE, YES, MA'AM.

AND THEN YOU CLOSE OUT THE NOMINATIONS, AND THEN, UM, YOU ASK FOR THE VOTE.

SO, NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR ARE NOW CLOSED.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REAPPOINTING MYSELF.

UH, SARAH KIN FOR THE CHAIR POSITION, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY.

COOL.

NOW I OPEN IT FOR VICE CHAIR, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

CONGRATULATIONS, VICE CHAIR.

I'M OPENING NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.

I'LL NOMINATE MYSELF.

ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.

NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR ARE CLOSED.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING, UH, COMMISSIONER SHEEL AS VICE CHAIR, PLEASE SAY.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY.

GREAT.

THANK YOU, .

THE NEXT THING, UM, WE HAVE TO ASSIGN A SECRETARY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, IN THE EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A STAFF MEMBER OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT TRADITION, IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND, BUT WE NEED Y'ALL TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT.

IS THERE A STAFF MEMBER YOU PREFER, OR JUST WE SAY JUST STAFF? I, I THINK SO.

I WOULD SAY STAFF, IF THAT'S OKAY.

AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER'S EMPLOYED CAN, CAN FULFILL THAT ROLE.

WELL THEN I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE A MEMBER OF THE STAFF TO BE THE SECRETARY FOR OUR COMMISSION.

DO YOU NEED A SECOND ON THAT, OR NO, I SECOND THAT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CITY STAFF TO FUNCTION AS THE SECRETARY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

BUT IT'S, SHE'S GREAT.

IN, IN A PINCH WE CAN ALWAYS JUMP INTO WHEN SHE'S NOT AVAILABLE, SO.

THE ITEM THAT, UH, KAYLA PUT TOGETHER AND DRAFTED WITH, UH, WITH OUR HELP.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE LAST ITEM ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UM, WE HAVE A CALENDAR ON THE, ON

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AND, UM, SHE DID A FANTASTIC JOB.

SO HIGHLIGHTS THE MEETING DATES, HOLIDAYS IN WHICH WERE CLOSED, A PA CONFERENCES, ET CETERA, STUFF THAT WE KNOW IS A CONSISTENT THING FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

SO, UM, RIGHT HERE YOU HAVE THE CALENDAR IN FRONT OF YOU, AND WE ASK THAT, UH, Y'ALL MAKE A MOTION AND APPROVE, UH, THE ADOPTION OF THE CALENDAR.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THE COUN, THE CALENDAR? YEAH, I, I, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOOK AT THIS.

WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE AT FOR THE REMAINING OF THIS YEAR, OF, OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, AND THEN ALSO REALLY KIND OF SETTING UP FOR 2025.

WE'VE TRIED TO POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, EXISTING HOLIDAYS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OFTEN P AND Z FALLS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS.

SO REALLY KIND OF OUTLINING, UH, WHEN THOSE, UH, DATES ARE TO REALLY KIND OF OUTLINE, UM, WHEN, WE'LL, WHEN WE'LL BE MEETING FOR THE YEAR.

SO I'M HOPING THAT THIS CALENDAR WILL PROVIDE, UM, SOME CLARIFICATION FOR YOU GUYS ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE HITTING CLOSE TO A HOLIDAY.

AND THEN ALSO IT'LL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY KIND OF WORK WITH APPLICANTS ON SCHEDULING A NOTIFICATION AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COMES UP AS WELL.

AND I SEE, UH, SINCE OUR MEETING WOULD HAPPEN ON, UM, VETERAN'S DAY NEXT YEAR, ON, UH, NOVEMBER 11TH, WE'RE MOVING IT TO THE MONDAY.

SO GOOD EYEBALLS THERE.

COMMISSIONER SHIELD.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

SO VETERAN'S DAY AS WELL AS, UH, JUNETEENTH, ALWAYS FOLLOW ON THE ACTUAL DAY, UH, THAT IT IS.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT MONDAY.

UM, AND WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND ALREADY TRIED TO RESERVE THIS ROOM FOR THAT DAY, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SO CLEAR YOUR CALENDARS FOR MONDAY THE 10TH OF, UH, 2025.

DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE IT? IF YOU COULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED, UH, CALENDAR FOR 24 25 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR 20 24, 20 25, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FROM VICE CHAIR SHEILA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SERATO.

ACTUALLY, NO.

OH, NO.

HAUCK.

OH, THERE'S ANOTHER VOICE TO MY LEFT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOUCK.

UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY.

AND INTRODUCTION OF NEW AND REAPPOINTED MEMBERS.

[2) Welcome and introduction of new and reappointed Planning and Zoning Commission members. Jake Webb, Seat 2 Jacob Houk, Seat 6 Neil Stegall, Seat 4 ]

ITEM TWO, WELCOME.

AN INTRODUCTION OF NEW AND REAPPOINTED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS, JAKE WEBB, SEAT TWO, JACOB HOUK, SEAT SIX.

AND NEIL STEGEL, SEAT FOUR, MR. ATKINSON.

SO, CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME.

UH, WILL ATKINSON, FOR THE RECORD, UH, YOU VERY SUCCINCTLY PUT IT, CHAIRPERSON, UH, WE HAVE, UM, NEIL STEGEL WITH SEAT FOUR.

HE WAS, UH, REAPPOINTED ON SEPTEMBER 24TH, EXCUSE ME, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

UM, HE WAS ORIGINALLY APPOINTED ON SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2022.

AND HE'S GOING TO SERVE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS ON THIS BOARD.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS.

SO SEAT TWO IS JAKE WEBB.

HE'S ONLINE TONIGHT, I BELIEVE HE IS TRAVELING.

UM, HIS TERM WILL EXPIRE IN TWO YEARS.

ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026, HE'S ELIGIBLE TO SERVE TWO, TWO FULL TERMS. AND THE SAME THING WITH, UH, JACOB HOUCK, WHO'S RIGHT HERE.

AND SEAT NUMBER SIX.

UH, WE DID HAVE A COMMITTEE, A STAFF COMMITTEE ALONG WITH, UM, WITH, UM, WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR ORGANIZATION TO, UM, REVIEW THE APPLICANTS.

AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THE APPOINTMENT AND REAPPOINTMENT OF EVERYBODY WE HAVE HERE.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT.

[III) Approval of Minutes]

APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

ITEM THREE, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2024.

REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.

WE'LL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THOSE.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SERATO AND A SECOND FROM VICE CHAIR SHIELD.

DURING THIS TIME PERIOD ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTER CONCERNING CITY BUSINESS, AND THEY MUST OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

A AYE.

ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

GREAT.

THAT MOTION CARRIES CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS EARLY IN THE AGENDA OF REGULAR MEETINGS.

SPEAKERS ARE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK

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SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN SUSAN.

COMMENTS? NONE.

SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THOSE.

ON TO STAFF REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS, WE'VE GOT ITEM FOUR, RECOGNITION OF MR. MARIO MATA JR.

AND, UH, MOVING

[4) Recognition of Mario Mata Jr, seat 2, for his years of service from 9/2022 to 9/2024 on the Planning and Zoning Commission. ]

SEAT TWO FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE FROM SEPTEMBER, 2022 TO SEPTEMBER, 2024 ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

MR. ATKINSON? YES.

EXCELLENT.

SO, UM, I HAVE A PLAQUE HERE FOR, UH, MR. MARIO MATA JR.

UH, CELEBRATING HIS, UH, HIS TIME HERE ON THE COMMISSION WITH US, A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION.

AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE TO HELP SUPPORT THE CITY, UH, PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD, HELPING US ADOPT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL THE FUN PROJECTS IN, IN BETWEEN.

SO, UM, YOUR TIME HERE WAS INVALUABLE AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

WE ALSO HAVE YOUR PLAQUE FOR THE DAIS, , AND SO YOU GET TO KEEP THAT.

YOU CAN GET IT FRAMED AND PUT IT UP ON YOUR WALL IF YOU'D LIKE TO AS WELL, OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO WITH IT .

SO, UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU, SIR.

THANKS.

ANY PARTY BOARD? UH, NO.

I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY IT WAS AN HONOR WORKING WITH WILL AND, UH, STAFF AND JASON DOING FOR A WHILE, AND, UH, BEING COMMISSIONER, IT'S BEEN GREAT.

SO YEAH.

SORRY, I JUST GET REALLY SWEATY.

UH, YEAH, IT WAS GREAT.

UH, YEAH, I'LL TAKE A PICTURE WITH, YEAH, I CAN GO UP THERE WHEREVER YOU WANT.

WHEREVER YOU WANT.

IT'S YOUR PICTURE.

YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S GOING ON YOUR WALL.

YEAH, LET'S GO DOWN.

LET'S DOWN HERE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO SLIDE THAT CHAIR.

IS IT NOT CHAIR? THEY'RE COMFORTABLE.

AND THANKS FOR THE I'M, YOU DON'T WANNA STICK AROUND .

OH, SORRY.

OH, YOU'RE SO GOOD.

I HAD TO WAKE MY MICROPHONE BACK UP.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECEIVE A REPORT REGARDING PROJECT SAHARA AND THE GROVE.

[5) Receive a report regarding Project Sahara/The Grove.]

MS. MCCOLLUM.

THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

I, I REALLY, UM, WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION.

THEY ACTUALLY CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING.

I THINK SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE HONESTLY THERE AND, UH, HEARD THE PRESENTATION.

I REALLY WANTED TO SHOWCASE THIS AS A, A FUTURE PRESENT.

HONESTLY, THIS ITEM'S GONNA BE COMING BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, OR BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION, MUCH LIKE COUNCIL.

SO THEY GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL.

THIS PRESENTATION HAS NOT CHANGED.

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS GIVEN AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I DID INVITE, UH, BOTH ABBY AND LORI HERE, UH, TO DO THE PRESENTATION.

I CAN, I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU THIS, THIS EVENING, OR IF YOU, UH, LOOKED THROUGH IT AND, AND SOME OF YOU ARE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY HERE TO ANSWER THOSE AS AS WELL.

SO I REALLY JUST WANTED TO SHOWCASE THIS ITEM SAYING, HEY, COMING SOON, THIS ITEM IS GONNA BE, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

ABBY, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING OR ADD ANYTHING TO, UM, ABBY GLIN, UH, WITH LIONHEART PLACES AND REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPERS, STREAMLINE ADVISORY PARTNERS? UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST HERE.

WE, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO COME, UH, BEFORE YOU ALL AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL EARLIER TO REALLY JUST GET FEEDBACK ON THIS PROJECT.

UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR A WHILE.

WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT AND, UM, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN, UH, GO THROUGH ANYTHING OR, OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

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UM, I, I COULD JUST GO TO, I GUESS, OH, THIS DOESN'T WORK.

MAYBE JUST THE CONTROL.

NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

MAYBE JUST THE PICTURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND KIND OF WHERE IT IS.

UH, SO THIS ONE, IT'S OVER ON, UM, EAST FM ONE 50.

UM, AND IF YOU KEEP GOING RIGHT NOW, IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

UM, THIS HERE IS AN IMAGE OF GO FORTH, WHICH WILL COME THROUGH THE SITE.

UH, SO IF YOU JUST KEEP GOING THERE, UM, AND MAYBE GO QUICKLY THROUGH.

AND, UM, WELL, I GUESS HITTING THOSE TWO SLIDES, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THIS AREA, UH, FROM TALKING WITH STAFF AS WELL AS STAKEHOLDERS, UM, IS THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE, THIS IS REALLY IDENTIFIED AS A NODE, UM, A COMMERCIAL NODE, UH, UP, PARTICULARLY ALONG FM ONE 50.

UM, AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT KIND OF REMAINING TRACK THERE TO BE DEVELOPED, UM, ALONG EAST F1, EAST FM ONE 50 TO TRY TO GET, UM, SOME NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA.

UH, FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CONNECTION FOR THE CITY, UM, OF GO FORTH ROAD.

AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROVIDES ANOTHER OUTLET FOR FM ONE 50.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE, UH, THAT ALL HAVE TO USE THAT ROUTE, AND THEY REALLY HAVE ONLY ONE OPTION, UM, ALONG FM ONE 50.

UM, AND SO GO FORTH ROAD STARTS TO PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE IN THAT AREA TO GET TO, UM, I 35 OR, UM, EVEN, UH, OUT TO THE EAST, UM, ALONG YARRINGTON AND, AND SH ONE 30.

SO, UM, THAT'S ONE PART OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE'LL BE BUILDING GO FORTH ROAD ON OUR SITE, BUT ALSO OFF THE SITE.

AND, UH, IT WILL CONNECT INTO EVERYTHING IN BLUE THERE IS ALREADY EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR, UM, IN PERMITTING OR PLATTING LIKE THAT FROM THE CITY.

SO IT'LL ALL ACTUALLY CONNECT NOW FROM FM ONE 50 TO ARRINGTON AFTER THIS PROJECT.

YOU CAN GO THROUGH.

AND MAYBE I'LL JUST, JUST HIT, UH, QUICKLY ON THE, ON THE OVERALL MAP OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'LL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THAT.

SO HERE, HERE IT IS, UM, I TALKED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL AREA UP AT THE FRONT, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ILLUSTRATIVE RENDERING OF THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S THE TOP ONE UP THERE.

UH, A FEW KEY THINGS WE UNDERSTAND A GROCERY STORE IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS LOCATION, AND THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, INCLUDING THE GROCERY STORE WILL BE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE GO FORTH ROAD RUNNING, UM, UH, THROUGH THE SITE.

IT'S THE STRAIGHT ROAD KIND OF RUNNING, UH, A DIAGONAL THROUGH THE SITE, BUT THERE'S THAT OTHER, UH, OTHER ACCESS ROAD DOWN FM ONE 50 THAT WE'LL BE BUILDING.

AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACTIVATE.

SO WE REALLY WANNA MAKE THIS A COMMERCIAL AREA.

WE WANNA CREATE A PLACE OUT OF IT.

AND, UM, SO BECAUSE GO FORTH ROAD WILL HAVE LOTS OF OF TRAFFIC ON IT, IT ALSO HAS AN LCRA LINE RUNNING ALONG IT, IT WASN'T THE ROAD TO ACTIVATE.

UM, BUT WE ARE BUILDING THIS OTHER KIND OF ALTERNATIVE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR RETAIL STREET, UM, AND REALLY TRYING TO CREATE A PLACE.

SO AS OPPOSED TO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, STRIP RETAIL FACING WHAT FM ONE 50 WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE SITE.

UM, IT CONNECTS IN THERE TO MULTIFAMILY.

WE'LL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MULTIFAMILY TRACKS, A MARKET RATE AS WELL AS AN AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY TRACK AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF GO FORTH ROAD, UM, IS, UH, IT'S A MIXTURE OF, UM, 40 FOOT LOTS, 50 FOOT LOTS, UM, AND THEN ALSO TOWNHOME TYPE PRODUCT.

UH, ONE OF THE OTHER KIND OF KEY DESIGN FEATURES THAT I'D POINT OUT, UM, IS THAT, UH, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE SOME GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.

UM, AND THIS SITE, IT ALL SLOPES REALLY SORT OF STARTING AT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE WATER TOWER, I GUESS ON THE, UH, POST OAK SUBDIVISION THERE.

SO STARTING THERE, THE WHOLE SITE SLOPES TOWARDS COUNTY ROAD 1 58 MM-HMM, .

UM, AND THAT PROVIDED THIS UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE DRAINAGE INTO ONE, UH, REGIONAL DETENTION POND DOWN AT THE, DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ACTIVATE WITH TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IT ALSO GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT WATER FLOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A MORE NATURAL SETTING AS OPPOSED TO PIPING AT ALL, UM, UNDERGROUND STREETS.

AND SO WE'RE USING THAT, THAT'S CALLED LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE USING THAT THERE.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS SORT OF FACING SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENCES OUT ONTO THAT SPACE.

SO REALLY TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT BEST WE CAN.

UM, THE OTHER PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM IS A PICTURE OF GOFOR.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ENHANCED SECTION THERE SINCE IT'LL BE RIGHT NEXT TO A LOT OF THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, SO YOU SEE STREET TREES AND BOULEVARD AND THAT SORT OF THING, UH, TO GO ALONG WITH THAT ROAD AS WELL AS THE VIBE TRAIL, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

SO THAT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THE PROJECT AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE AND, UM, EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ANY FEEDBACK IF YOU GUYS ALL HAVE ANY FEEDBACK.

OR WE'RE ALLOWED TO YEAH.

HAVE A DISCUSSION.

SO THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM.

YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU RECALL ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S CONCERNS? WHAT WAS YOUR TAKEAWAY? SURE.

IT'S A,

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SO THE COUNCIL HAD SOME CONCERN AROUND THE FINANCING DISTRICT.

UH, THEY HAD CONCERN AROUND PHASING, UH, WITH THE ROAD, UM, AND THEN ALSO AROUND FINANCING, UH, WITH THE AFFORDABLE TRACT.

THOSE WERE THREE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I CAN, UH, BRING UP RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND ROADS TOO.

DID YOU HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROADS OR CONCERNS ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS? ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD? YES.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

YES, BOTH AT FM ONE 50 AND AT COUNTY ROAD 1 58, UH, WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE PLANNING FOR ROUNDABOUTS THERE.

UM, AND WE WILL BE, UH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A FULL TIA PROCESS THAT WILL INCLUDE THE COUNTY.

SO IT'S A THREE PARTY TIA THAT'LL INCLUDE THE COUNTY TDOT, UM, AS WELL AS THE CITY.

MM-HMM MM-HMM.

, UH, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

THERE WAS ALSO, UH, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RETAIL.

WHAT I RECALL IS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL GROCERY.

BUT YOU HAD SPOKEN, I THINK, MADE MENTION OF HAVING OTHER RETAIL THERE AS WELL.

IS THAT TRUE? UH, YES.

WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE 65,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, OF RETAIL PLANNED OR COMMERCIAL, UH, PLANNED FOR THAT AREA.

RIGHT NOW.

THE GROCERY STORE, UH, IS, WE'RE COMMITTING TO THAT AT 15,000 SQUARE FEET.

ANY OTHER? YES, VICE CHAIR.

SO, UM, OF COURSE YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I WAS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AS WELL, SO, UM, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT THEY WANTED MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL WHEN YOU CAME TO THE PHASING.

THEY WANTED THE COMMERCIAL MORE, YOU KNOW, BUILT, UH, FIRST, YOU KNOW, UH, AHEAD OF ANYWAY.

GET THAT BUILT.

UM, SO ONE THING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO YOU GUYS IS TO TAKE THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AT HEART AND STRONGLY TRY TO ADHERE TO WHAT THEY SAID THEY REQUESTED.

YEP.

THAT'LL HELP YOU GUYS OUT A LOT.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY FACING, GO FORTH, NOT, UH, AWAY, AND HAD THAT PRIVACY FENCE ALL ALONG, GO FORTH, IT'LL BE FACING SINCE IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT, UH, KNOWING OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR ISSUES WITH STRAIGHT SHOT ROADS, FIGURE OUT SOME WAY OF TRAFFIC.

I DON'T WANNA SAY MITIGATION SO MUCH, BUT CALL CALMING.

THERE YOU GO.

THERE'S A WORD FOR IT.

YEP.

BECAUSE A LOT OF US HAVE LEAD FEET, AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT A STRAIGHTAWAY, THEY TEND TO DOWN.

SO, UH, JUST KIND OF TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL, ESPECIALLY SINCE THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE FACING THE ROAD, AND SO KIDS AT PLAY AND, AND ALL OF THAT.

SO I DO RECOMMEND THAT.

YES, YES.

SO A COUPLE OF THE THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE, ON THE SECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, ARE MEETING ALL OF THE TRAFFIC DEMANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WE HAVE PLANNED IN THAT SECTION TO HAVE ON STREET PARKING, UM, ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH DOES HELP TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC AS WELL AS STREET TREES.

UM, AND THEN, UH, A WIDER, YOU KNOW, STREET TREES ON STREET PARKING, AND THEN, UH, A WIDER SIDEWALK ALL TO KIND OF CREATE THAT SEPARATION.

BUT WE, DO, WE, I FULLY, FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AROUND, UH MM-HMM.

AROUND THAT ROAD AND, YEAH.

YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING, UH, GO FORTH ROAD, IS THAT GONNA BE ONE OR TWO LANES? ARE Y'ALL INTENDING, LIKE ON EACH SIDE, GO FORTH ROAD IS TWO LANES, IT'S GONNA BE TWO, UM, ON EITHER SIDE WITH A MEDIAN YES.

THE CROSSINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, A LOT OF THEM ARE, ARE YOU INTENDED TO PUT LIGHTS AT ANY, AT ANY POINT THERE? THE, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING LIGHTS? UH, SO THAT'LL BE THE, THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE AT, UH, FM ONE 50 AND COUNTY ROAD 1 58 WITH THOSE ROUNDABOUTS.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME SIGNALIZATION, UH, REQUIRED AT THAT FOR PEDESTRIANS.

UM, BUT, UH, BUT YES, WE ARE, UH, WE WILL WANNA DESIGN REALLY SAFE CROSSINGS.

UM, AT A COUPLE OF, OF INTERSECTIONS THERE TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE ACROSS THE ROAD AND THE MULTIFAMILY SECTION.

UH, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PLACES AROUND KYLE WHERE THE, UH, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES CLOSE BY.

BUT THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE ALWAYS SURROUNDED BY A FENCE.

WHICH KIND OF TAKES AWAY THAT WALKABILITY.

THERE, UH, BUT YOU CAN START TO SEE IN THIS RENDERING WE DID IN THE BACKGROUND THERE, AS YOU GO DOWN THAT STREET, YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT MULTIFAMILY.

ARE YOU INTENDING TO PUT FENCES AROUND THESE MULTIFAMILY UNITS, OR NO? UH, NO.

WE'RE REALLY, WE REALLY WANT TO DESIGN THAT AS AN INTEGRATED, SO A REALLY A MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY ON THAT ON, ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET THERE.

UH, SO THAT'S WHAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT ROAD COMING THROUGH.

UM, I THINK IT'S, LET ME SEE, UH, OH, SORRY.

CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE, UH, TO LIKE THAT GOAL? THAT ONE, THE WORDS ARE KIND OF ON

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SO YOU'RE REALLY CREATING THIS, YOU KNOW, REALLY ACTIVATED STREET SECTION SO THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO WALK UP AND, AND, UH, GET INTO THAT, THAT RETAIL AREA.

OUTSIDE OF THE GROCER, WHICH IS, UH, DEFINITELY NEEDED ON OVER THERE, UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE WHAT OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL LIKE PROPERTIES WILL BE PUT IN? SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE, OF THE FOLKS AT THE, I KNOW THE DEVELOPER'S BEEN TALKING TO ARE, UM, DAYCARES.

WE, WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT, UH, OVER THERE AS WELL AS, UH, RESTAURANTS.

UM, AND JUST PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND HANG OUT.

WE'RE, WE ARE PLANNING SOME PLAZA SPACES AND OUTDOOR SPACES, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE GROCERY STORE.

UH, THE GROCERY IS A SMALLER GROCER, BUT THEY DO PROVIDE PREPARED FOODS.

UM, AND SO LIKE AN OUTDOOR PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO SIT AND HANG OUT, UM, WHILE THEY'RE, UH, GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE OR BUYING FOODS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

DO WE KNOW WHO THE GROCER IS OR, UM, YES, IT IS.

UH, MARIGOLD MARKET IS A, UM, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE A GROCERY STORE IN, UM, IT'S IN SOUTH AUSTIN.

UM, AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO GOT, UH, ONE, UH, THEY'VE GOT A SMALLER STORE, UH, IN THE BUTER AREA.

UH, THIS ONE WILL BE ONE OF THEIR LARGER, UH, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.

AND THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT EXPANDING AND ABOUT DOING THAT IN, UH, KYLE.

AWESOME.

COMMISSIONER WEBB, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, NO.

ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME.

I'VE WATCHED THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION, UM, SO THIS IS A NICE REFRESHER FROM, UH, FROM A FEW DAYS AGO.

BUT NO QUESTIONS HERE.

THANKS.

UM, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS TONIGHT, OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE JOTTED SOME THOUGHTS DOWN.

UM, ECHOING A POINT THAT VICE CHAIR SHIELD BROUGHT UP EARLIER.

THE FIRST TIME I LOOKED AT THIS AND I SAW THAT STRAIGHT SHOT OF GOLD FORTH ROAD, I THOUGHT, OOH, BOY, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE FLYING DOWN THAT THING.

AND SO, UM, TO HER POINT ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO THERE TO GET IT KIND OF SLOWING DOWN ON THE ROADS.

'CAUSE THE NOISE IS ALSO A PROBLEM.

NOT JUST THE SPEED, BUT THE SOUND OF PEOPLE WHO CAN JUST LET IT RIP WITH THEIR ENGINE ON THERE.

IT'S, UH, I LIVE IN AN AREA CLOSE TO A, A STRAIGHT SHOT ROAD THAT'S NOT VERY FREQUENTLY TRAVELED, BUT FOR SOME REASON AT NIGHT, ALL THE LOONEY TUNES COME OUT AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH.

DOWN THERE.

SO, UM, DEFINITELY KEEP THAT IN MIND, PLEASE.

UM, I KNOW FROM WATCHING THE, UH, COUNCIL MEETING AND HEARING SOME COMMENTS THERE THAT THE, UH, THE GROCER IS A LITTLE BIT ON THE SMALLER SIDE THAN WHAT PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF KYLE MIGHT'VE BEEN HOPING FOR BECAUSE IT IS, UM, THERE'S NOT A TON OF OPTIONS OVER THERE FOR THEM.

SO, UM, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, SOME NEGOTIATION ROOM THERE TO GO EVEN LARGER FOR THE GROCER, I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT.

'CAUSE UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR IT.

AND PEOPLE WOULD, I THINK, APPRECIATE THAT QUITE A BIT.

UM, I GUESS MY LAST THOUGHTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE SO MUCH.

ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, SO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SO THAT'S TOWN HOMES AND THEN JUST LIKE A, A STANDARD STANDALONE HOUSE.

AND SO THE TOWN HOMES ARE FACING GO FORTH, AND THEN THE SINGLE FAMILY ARE BEHIND THAT.

IF GO TO THAT IMAGE THERE, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, I'M TRYING TO LOOK, YES.

THE COLORING'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THERE.

IT, IT IS, THE LIGHTER COLORS ARE.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT, UH, BOTH, UH, IF YOU SEE PRODUCTS THAT ARE FRONT LOADED WITHOUT AN ALLEY, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE LARGER, MORE 50 FOOT LOTS.

WE'VE GOT SMALLER YELLOW LOTS, WHICH ARE THE ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT.

UM, AND THAT'S ANYTHING, UH, 40 OR LESS.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE ORANGE COLORED PRODUCT, WHICH IS THE, THE TOWN HOMES.

SO RIGHT NOW THE TOWN HOMES ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALLEY LOADED, UH, BUT FACING ON TO, TO GO FORTH THERE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GETTING AT THERE.

SO KIND OF FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION, JUST THIS IS, UH, A NEW KIND OF PROJECT FOR ME TO, TO SEE, UM, WHEN THINGS KIND OF SLOWED DOWN GROWTH WISE FOR KYLE.

UM, SO THERE ARE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW AND, UM, THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING RID OF THEIR INVENTORY OF THINGS.

SO ARE THESE GOING TO BE SPEC HOMES WHERE EVERYTHING GETS PUT UP AND THEN THEY MIGHT SIT EMPTY FOR A WHILE, POSSIBLY LEADING TO, UM, PEOPLE USING THOSE SPACES WHO SHOULDN'T BE USING THOSE SPACES.

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HOW WILL THIS ALL BE BUILT OUT UPFRONT? OR WILL IT BE BUILT IN PHASES AS DEMAND NECESSITATES IT? YEAH, WE'LL BE BUILDING IN PHASES.

UH, CERTAINLY.

UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY HOPING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT IS BRING SOME ALTERNATIVE PRODUCT TYPES.

SO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE JUST, UM, A WHOLE SUBDIVISION OF CLASSIC, UH, YOU KNOW, 50 FOOT LOTS, UH, WITH GARAGES IN FRONT.

UM, WE'VE, WE'LL HAVE, UM, A DIVERSITY OF PRODUCT TYPE.

AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY BY BRINGING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT NEW TO THE MARKET, WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, THAT THAT'LL BE A POSITIVE THING FOR KYLE.

UM, AND ALSO WORK WELL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE.

BUT YES, IT WILL BE DONE IN PHASES.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM, I JUST THOUGHTS, THE THING THAT'S GONNA PUT YOU ON THE RADAR BEFORE ANYTHING IN THE CITY? MM-HMM.

IS TRAFFIC.

SO WORK WITH ALL THE PARTNERS QUITE CAREFULLY ON THAT.

UM, AND UH, INDEED AND THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IS THE FINANCING.

AND I THINK IT'S FINANCING AS RELATED TO PHASING IS SOMETHING THAT I HEARD AND I THINK IS QUITE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF ANCHORING CERTAIN FEATURES OF DEVELOPMENT FROM THE GET GO IN THE DA.

SO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THIS UNFOLDS IN A WAY THAT'S GONNA WORK FOR EVERYBODY.

WE, WE HEARD THAT AS WELL.

SO WE'LL BE, WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF ALREADY ON THAT.

COOL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

MOVING

[V) Consent Agenda]

RIGHT ALONG.

CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A PLAT FOR CROSSWIND SUBDIVISION PHASE THREE B RE PLAT OF LOTS, 51 TO 68 BLOCK HH AND LOTS 10 THROUGH 18 BLOCK LL SUB DASH 24 DASH 0 3 3 4 LOCATED OFF CROSSLANDS PARKWAY.

ANYONE WITH A MOTION ON THAT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA FROM VICE CHAIR SHIELD AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SERATO.

NEXT, CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION.

[7) Consider approval of a variance allowing for a reduction of the minimum parking requirements as required in Sec. 53-33(n) from 43 required to 35 proposed for a property located at 1600 Bunton Creek Road in Hays County, Texas. (BOA-24-0017)]

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE ALLOWING FOR A REDUCTION OF THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS REQUIRED IN SECTION 53 DASH 33 N FROM 43 REQUIRED TO 35 PROPOSED FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1600 BUNTON CREEK ROAD IN HAYES COUNTY, TEXAS.

BO OA DASH 24 DASH 0 0 1 7.

MS. SHARP, GOOD EVENING.

KAYLA SHARP, SENIOR PLANNER FOR THE RECORD.

AND LET ME STOP SHARING AND TRY SHARING AGAIN TO SEE IF IT WILL LOAD THIS TIME.

ONE MOMENT PLEASE.

YOU CAN ONLY SHARE FOR ME, APPARENTLY IT WAS JUST WORKING.

THERE WE GO.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A REDUCTION IN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING, UM, FOR A PROPOSED PROJECT AT 1600 BUN CREEK ROAD.

UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO LEHMAN HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THEN THERE'S AN EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITY NEXT DOOR AS WELL.

UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, A LITTLE UNDER 1100, 11,000 SQUARE FOOT DOLLAR GENERAL STORE.

UM, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN PARKING FROM 43 SPACES DOWN TO 35.

UM, THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS REQUEST IS DUE TO SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE, UM, CAUSED BY CITY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.

THIS IS PART OF THE CITY'S BUTTON CREEK ROAD BOND PROJECT.

SO THEY DID PROVIDE US SOME PRETTY GOOD, UM, DETAILED INFORMATION.

UM, SO THE CITY WILL NEED TO ACQUIRE ABOUT 25 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THAT ROAD BOND PROJECT.

UM, SO WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT BACK IN MAY AND THEY, UM, SHOWED US A CONCEPT PLAN THAT MET THE 43 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.

UM, BUT THEN OF COURSE WE INFORMED THEM OF THE ROAD BOND.

UM, SO THIS IS AN APPROXIMATELY 18.5% REDUCTION FROM THEIR MINIMUM REQUIRED.

UM, STAFF CAN ONLY APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY A REDUCTION UP TO 10% IF THEY MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, UM, WHICH THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO.

SO THAT IS WHY, UM, BASED ON OUR CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED BACK IN AUGUST, THIS REQUEST NOW COMES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST REQUEST LIKE THIS THAT Y'ALL WILL SEE.

UM, SO YEAH,

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THEY AVERAGE ABOUT 15 TO 20 TRANSACTIONS PER HOUR FOR THE TYPICAL STORE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO AROUND 2200 SQUARE FEET OF THE STORE IS USED FOR STORAGE AND IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

SO YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FEET ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, BASED ON THAT, WITH THEIR PROPOSED 35 SPACES, 15 TO 20 TRANSACTIONS PER HOUR, THEY BELIEVE THAT 35 SPACES IS, UM, ADEQUATE TO SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS.

ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WITH THE CITY'S ROAD BOND SIDEWALKS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG BUTTON ROAD, WHICH WILL HELP INCREASE CONNECTIVITY AND WALKABILITY TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, LEHMAN HIGH SCHOOL, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO HERE IS THEIR ORIGINAL SITE LAYOUT.

I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE, UM, BUT THIS WAS THE, UM, CODE COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF PARKING.

THIS HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED FOR ANY OTHER SORT OF CODE COMPLIANCE YET.

UM, BUT THIS MET THE 43 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES, UM, BUT DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.

AND THEN THIS ONE HERE ACCOUNTS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, WHICH IS KIND OF THAT YELLOW BOX.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT ROUGH REPRESENTATION THERE, BUT YOU KIND OF GET THE IDEA, UM, MAINTAINS THE CROSS ACCESS WITH THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

UM, AND THIS IS PROVIDING 35 PARKING SPACES AS OPPOSED TO THE 43.

SO, AND THEN HERE'S KIND OF A SNAPSHOT SHOWING THE ROAD BOND AND HOW THAT WILL AFFECT THIS PROPERTY.

UM, THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY WITH THE ROAD BOND, UM, AND THAT WILL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR THE ENTIRE EXTENT OF THE PROJECT.

UM, SO YEAH, YOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE TO APPROVE WITH THE 35 SPACES.

UM, YOU CAN APPROVE AN ALTERNATIVE NUMBER OR YOU CAN DENY, UM, STAFF FINDS THIS REQUEST REASONABLE BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S PARKING ANALYSIS AND ALSO THE CITY'S, UM, RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.

AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'VE GOT SORT OF A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT.

IF WE HAD A STORE LIKE THIS IN ANY OTHER SITUATION, WHAT WOULD WE EXPECT IN TERMS OF MINIMUM PARKING? IF WE REQUIRED NONE, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'D WIND UP WITH? IF WE REQUIRE NO PARKING, NO MINIMUM.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD KIND OF BE, 'CAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE DRIVER IS THEY, THEY'RE ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF VISITS PER HOURS, WHAT THE DRIVER FOR THEM? SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH NO MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY'D WOUND UP WITH A LOWER NUMBER IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WE WOULD, UH, HAVE NO IMPERVIOUS COVER TO DEAL WITH AND SO FORTH IN THAT REGARD, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE.

JUST, JUST AS A CIRCUMSTANCES PRESENTED ITSELF, JUST THE THOUGHT CAME TO, TO MIND, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.

FOR AN ESTABLISHED BUSINESS LIKE THIS, CERTAINLY HAVING THAT, THAT DATA FROM OTHER, UM, EXISTING STORES, UM, KIND OF GIVES US A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT A REASONABLE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IS IN COMPARISON TO OUR CODE.

UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY, OR FORTUNATELY, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU VIEW IT, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, NO PARKING MINIMUM.

SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, OKAY.

SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT REDUCING THE PARKING IS THAT I'M GONNA REFERENCE, UH, THE DOLLAR GENERAL ON ONE 50 BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPACES AREN'T REALLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE NOT ACCESSIBLE OR VERY GOOD JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE PARKING LOT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE A MAJOR, I WOULDN'T SAY POT, WELL YEAH, IT'S A POTHOLE, BUT IT'S A MAJOR POTHOLE THAT, OR DIVOT THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEPS PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE IN, IN A COUPLE OF SPOTS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SINCE WE ARE DECREASING THE NUMBER OF MINIMUM SPOTS THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL 35 ARE AVAILABLE AND USABLE SPOTS.

YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ABOUT.

KEEPING THE CONDITION OF THE PARKING LOT.

I WISH THEY KIND OF, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO WITH THE TERRAIN AND EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA ON THE 1 51, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DECREASE IT AND ALLOW FOR IT, THEN THEY NEED TO KEEP IT WHERE THE ALL 35 CAN BE USED.

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UNDERSTOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COMMISSIONER STEGEL WAS TALKING ABOUT.

'CAUSE THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.

I I KIND OF LIKE THE ABILITY TO RECOGNIZE WHEN IT'S JUST NOT REASONABLE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE, THE CODE IS SAYING.

SO IS THIS ONLY BEING BROUGHT TO US BECAUSE OF THE ROAD BOND AND IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE ROAD BOND, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REQUEST A REDUCTION? OR CAN MORE PEOPLE REQUEST REDUCTIONS AND THEY JUST DON'T DO IT? 'CAUSE IT'S ANNOYING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO, SO PREVIOUSLY, UM, ANY SORT OF REDUCTION IN PARKING OR VARIANCE FOR PARKING, THINGS LIKE THAT HAD CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT HAD TO BE MET AND IT HAD TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

NOW WE'VE, UM, CHANGED THAT TO WHERE IT COMES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UM, I BELIEVE STAFF WOULD ULTIMATELY KIND OF TRY AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE A, UM, APPROPRIATE, UM, REQUEST BEFORE WE BROUGHT IT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

LIKE IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN HEB AND THEY'RE LIKE, I WANT 10 PARKING SPACES FOR THE ENTIRE HEB, WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

UM, BUT IT DOES GIVE US SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY, UM, TO BRING FORWARD REQUESTS LIKE THIS MOVING FORWARD IF IT'S, IF IT'S WARRANTED.

TO, TO BACK UP WHAT, UM, KAYLA'S TALKING ABOUT THE CODE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU APPROVED IN AUGUST ABSOLUTELY GIVES STAFF A LITTLE BIT OF INITIAL FLEXIBILITY AND THEN GIVES YOU A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO CONSIDER, UM, CASES ON A, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

SO IT REALLY KIND OF TAKES OUT THE TRUE, UM, I MEAN A VARIANCES HAVE TO HAVE VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND THIS GIVES THE PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO LOOK AT, UM, THE SPECIFICS OF THE CASE AT HAND TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL, UH, WAIVERS OR ALLE, UH, FOR, FOR PARKING.

SO, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU, UM, RECOMMENDING AND COUNSEL APPROVING THOSE CODE AMENDMENTS THAT REALLY GIVE, UM, SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CODE.

COOL.

YEAH, AND I, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

I HOPE THAT WE SEE MORE OF THESE, I'M ALL FOR SANITY VERSUS JUST FOLLOWING THE RULES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE RULE SAYS.

SO THIS IS GOOD.

UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I THINK WE NEED SOMEONE TO COME WITH A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE.