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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.[I) Call Meeting to Order and Roll Call]
IT IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH, AND I'M GONNA CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WHEN JUSTICE IS THE CITY.
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MITCHELL.
[II) Approval of Minutes]
QUORUM.MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, SIR, TO GO IN, APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER THE 15TH.
SPECIAL MEETING AND REGULAR SESSION AS WELL.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBY SECOND BY MAYOR PROTE RIZZO.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[III) Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
STEP IS CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.AT THIS TIME, WE ASK ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ANY ITEM TO PLEASE DO SO.
WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU DIRECT THOSE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM AND SUBMIT THAT TO EITHER MYSELF OR THE CITY SECRETARY.
I HAVE ONE REGISTERED, UH, MICHAEL MCDONALD'S.
I DUNNO WHAT'S WHAT THE DEAL IS.
UM, THIS EVENING I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE LI THE LICENSE PLATE READERS.
THE LICENSE PLATE READERS ARE LEGAL IN TEXAS.
I KNOW THAT THOUGH THE USE OF ITS TECHNOLOGY IS ALMOST UNREGULATED AND CAN BE SUBJECT TO ABUSES DUE TO THIS ISSUE.
SOME COMMUNITIES ARE IMPLEMENTING POLICIES AIMED AT LIMITING THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE LICENSE PLATE READERS, SOFTWARE COMPANIES COMPARES EACH PLATE WITH A HOT LIST OF VEHICLES, INCLUDING THOSE INVOLVED IN THE FOLLOWING, AT A RECENT CRIME SCENE, STOLEN VEHICLES, OR EVEN THOSE INVOLVED IN LOW LEVEL OFFENSES.
RECENT STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY OFTEN MISREAD LICENSE PLATES, WHICH HAVE LED TO DISASTROUS REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES, INCLUDING VIOLENT ARRESTS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.
MISTAKEN IDENTITY COURT BATTLES WITH THE ASTRONOMICAL COSTS, THE POTENTIAL FOR MISUSE WITH AUTHORITIES OR INDIVIDUALS ASSESSING THE DATA CAN LEAD TO HARASSMENT OR OTHER NEGATIVE OUTCOMES.
IN THE PAST, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS USED LICENSE PLATE READERS TO TARGET LOCATIONS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE, SUCH AS CHURCHES, SYNAGOGUES, MOSQUES, GUN SHOWS, POLITICAL RALLIES, OR WHERE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN LEGAL ACTIVITIES.
OPENLY SPYING ON PEOPLE LIVING IN A FREE COUNTRY, ENGAGED IN ACTIVITIES THEY CHOOSE TO ENGAGE IN IS WRONG AS MOST JURISDICTIONS HAVE ZERO LAWS REGARDING LICENSE PLATE READERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, JURISDICTION, AGENCIES, AND PRIVATE SECTOR ACTORS CAN USE THIS TECHNOLOGY HOWEVER THEY WISH.
IN SOME INSTANCES, OFFICERS, EXCUSE ME.
OFFICERS HAVE MIS MISUSED CONFIDENTIAL DATABASE TO GET INFORMATION ON ROMANTIC PARTNERS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, AND EVEN NEIGHBORS FOR REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH DAILY POLICE WORK.
AS MOST JURISDICTIONS HAVE NO POLICIES REGARDING RETENTION LIMITS, MANY AGENCIES KEEP THESE SCANS ON INNOCENT PEOPLE INDEFINITELY.
THIS PRACTICE CAN ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT JURISDICTION OR AGENCIES TO MAINTAIN AN OVERARCHING AND POTENTIAL UNCONSTITUTIONAL LEVEL OF SURVEILLANCE AND CAN LEAD TO ABUSE.
ARE YOU SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT ALREADY PART OF A SECRET DATABASE BECAUSE YOU DROVE THROUGH I 35 AT 1626? UM, SAFEGUARDS.
WE NEED TO CREATE A BAN OR MORATORIUM ON LAW ENFORCEMENT USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY.
WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT A RANGE OF SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT INNOCENT CITIZENS.
LICENSE PLATE READERS ARE A FORM OF SURVEILLANCE OF LAW, AB ABIDING CITIZENS.
THEY'RE OPENLY INFRINGING ON OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF MOVEMENT AND TRAVEL, AND THEY CAN BE MISUSED AND ABUSED BY OUR AUTHORITIES, JURISDICTIONS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND PRIVATE SECTOR AGENCIES.
WHY DO WE HAVE LICENSE PLATE READERS HERE IN KYLE? IS IT A ONE OR A NEED? WILL THERE BE ONGOING MONITORING AND PERIODIC AUDITS TO IDENTIFY BOTH MISUSE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND THE
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IMPACT IT IS HAVING ON OUR COMMUNITY IS A LICENSE PLATE DATABASE POLICIES TRANSPARENT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ACCESS AND ARE SUBJECT TO COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK.WHY ARE THEY COLLECTING DATA AND SAVING THIS DATA ON TENS UPON TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES BELONGING TO A LOT OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS TO CATCH ONE LAW BREAKER? IS IT WORTH OUR PRIVACY AND FREEDOMS? WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THE COLLECTED DATA? HOW LONG IS IT? WILL THIS DATA BE SAVED? AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE IS IT SAVED? WHAT GUARANTEES DID THE CITIZENS OF KYLE HAVE THAT THE COLLECTED INFORMATION FROM THE LICENSE PLATE READERS WILL NOT BE MISUSED OR ABUSED BY THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SECTOR? WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN RETAIN LICENSE PLATE READERS? I REALLY THINK THAT THESE LICENSE PLATE READERS WOW.
SO I GET ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
IT JUST EXPIRED, BUT IT DIDN'T ZOOM.
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY HEARING AID ON.
UH, THAT'S ALL THE FORMS THAT I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? GOOD EVENING COUNSEL STEPHANIE MCDONALD.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
WE JUST PLEDGED LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AT THIS YEAR'S AUGUST 3RD CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AFTER CITIZENS SPOKE DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS, A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE AUDIENCE CLAPPED.
IT WAS IN NO WAY DISRUPTIVE OR DISTORTEDLY AND DID NOT INTERFERE WITH PROPERLY RECOGNIZED TESTIMONY.
YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH US AT 9:04 AM AUGUST THE THIRD.
THE MAYOR IMMEDIATELY SAID, WE DON'T DO CLAPPING HERE.
WHILE SHAKING HIS HEAD, HE THEN LISTED THE RULES OF DECORUM.
THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS ASKED FOR LEGAL OPINION.
SHE REINFORCED THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS A RIGHT TO PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON SPEECH TO ENSURE AN ORDERLY MEETING.
SECTION H SIX ONE MAN SAID HE'D CONTINUE TO CLAP AS IT WAS HIS FIRST MINUTE, RIGHT? THE MAYOR THEN CALLED FOR A POLICE OFFICER AND CALLED A BREAK WHILE LAW ENFORCEMENT DEALT WITH THE CITIZEN.
THE MAYOR INTIMIDATED HIS CONSTITUENTS.
IT WAS SHOCKING TO SEE THE MAYOR THREATEN TO REMOVE PEOPLE FOR CLAPPING.
THE PUBLIC COULD NOT VIEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
I WANNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CLAPPING DURING A MEETING IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, IF IT'S NOT DISRUPTIVE.
FAST FORWARD TO OCTOBER 15TH, 2024.
I WAS SHOCKED WHEN THERE WERE SEVEN DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF APPLAUSE WITH NO ADMONISHMENT BY THE MAYOR.
YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THESE AT 7:08 PM 7:36 PM 7:37 PM 7:38 PM 7:38 PM 7:40 PM AND 7:44 PM AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CLAPPING.
I CLAPPED ON OCTOBER THE 15TH AS I DID ON AUGUST THE THIRD.
IT COULD ONLY BE VIEWED AS INAPPROPRIATE IF IT WAS DISRUPTIVE.
IT WAS APPROPRIATE ON AUGUST 3RD AS WELL AS OCTOBER 15TH.
IT'S TRUE THAT RULES OF DECORUM CAN LIMIT FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
THOSE ARE ALLOWED, THOSE RULES OF DECORUM THAT LIMIT THEM IN ORDER TO ENSURE ORDERLY MEANINGS.
BUT THEY MUST BE APPLIED EQUALLY TO EVERYONE OR ELSE IT BECOMES DISCRIMINATION AND A VIOLATION OF OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
IF THE MAYOR SAID CLAPPING WAS DISORDERLY ON AUGUST THE THIRD, HE HIMSELF WAS OUT OF ORDER ON AUGUST, ON OCTOBER THE 15TH, WHEN HE APPLAUDED MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND PERHAPS THE MAYOR PRO TEM OR ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE SUMMONED LAW ENFORCEMENT OR AT LEAST REMINDED THE MAYOR OF HIS RULE.
IT WAS WRONG TO STOP A FEW FROM CLAPPING AT THE AUGUST THE THIRD MEETING.
THERE WERE MANY MORE CLAPPING ON OCTOBER THE 15TH.
IT'S A BREACH OF FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, AND IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE, AND IT MUST STOP.
THIS IS A REFLECTION OF OUR CURRENT COUNCIL NOT WANTING CITIZENS' FEEDBACK.
THERE'S A REASON THAT A TOWN HALL MEETING IS NEEDED WITH THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER.
I'M GONNA RUN OUTTA TIME, SO I'M GONNA END THERE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING.
UM, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS ON HIS, UH, REELECTION.
UM, I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A CONCERNED KYLE RESIDENT WHO HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY THE CURRENT AMENDED STAGE THREE WATER USE RESTRICTIONS SINCE OCTOBER 22ND, 2022.
WHEN THE CITY ENTERED IN STAGE TWO, WATER RESTRICTIONS, RESIDENTS FACE SIGNIFICANT LIMITATIONS ON OUR ABILITY TO WATER OUR LANDSCAPES.
ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023, THE CITY OF KYLE SKIPPED STAGE THREE AND ENTERED INTO AMENDED STAGE THREE, WHICH PROHIBITS ME FROM USING SPRINKLERS, SOAKER, HOSES, DRIP IRRIGATION, OR AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION ON THE FOLLOWING DATES, OCTOBER 28TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 1ST, NOVEMBER 11TH TO THE 15TH, NOVEMBER 25TH TO THE 29TH, AS WELL AS ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
THIS MEANS FROM OCTOBER 28TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 29TH, I'M ALLOWED TO WATER MY FOUNDATION FOR ONLY TWO TIMES OVER A SPAN OF 32 DAYS.
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THE ONGOING WATER RESTRICTIONS, I ASK, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE CITY CAN PROVIDE 7.2 MILLION GALLONS
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OF WATER A YEAR TO A REALTOR FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, WHILE RESIDENTS LIKE ME STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR HOMES? THIS RAISES SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR WATER MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.FURTHERMORE, I AM TROUBLED BY THE PLACEMENT OF THIS AGENDA ITEM UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH TYPICALLY ALLOWS FOR NO DISCUSSION.
KYLE'S WATER IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THAT DESERVES COUNSEL DISCUSSION AND RESIDENTS ATTENTION.
FOR THE RECORD, I CAN APPRECIATE GOOD RETAIL AS MUCH AS A NEXT SHOPPER.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAIL, NO SHIRT, AND NO PRODUCT THAT THE CITY CAN OFFER THAT IS WORTH THE INTEGRITY OF MY HOME'S FOUNDATION.
I RESPECTFULLY URGE COUNSEL TO DISCUSS AGENDA ITEM 23 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
RESIDENTS NEED CLARITY ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF SAN MARCUS CAN NO LONGER SUPPLY KYLE WITH WATER, THE REASON BEHIND TEXAS WATER SERVICE GROUPS, LLCS, INABILITY TO SERVICE THIS AREA, AND WHO WILL BEAR THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE NE THE NECESSARY WATER LINES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? I'M A LITTLE HESITANT,
WHEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU CAN FILL IT OUT.
WHAT? THERE, THERE'S A FORM OVER THERE ON THE TABLE.
YOU CAN FILL IT OUT WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING I'VE EVER BEEN TO.
I'VE LIVED IN KYLE FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO GIVE KUDOS TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, I LIVE IN, UH, THE PENINSULA, UH, IN PLUM CREEK.
AND WE ENDED UP, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO MEETING WITH THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, I GUESS.
AND, AND HE WAS TELLING US HOW WE CAN, UM, NOTIFY THEM AS TO SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, SIDEWALKS AND WHATNOT.
I WAS PART OF THE SAFETY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY WORE ME DOWN.
BUT ANYWAYS, THEY HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB IN PLUM CREEK.
I MEAN, MAYBE ELSEWHERE TOO, BUT THEY'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB IN FULFILLING THE, UH, THE REPAIR REQUESTS.
YOU KNOW, THAT I, WHEN I WALK AROUND, I SENT IT IN AND, AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
SO I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE KUDOS TO THAT, TO THEM.
UM, SECONDLY, SO AS I MENTIONED, I LIVE IN THE PENINSULA AND WHOEVER DECIDED TO, UM, MAKE THE NO PARKING AREA ON SANDERS, WHICH IS TO ME A PARKING LOT, AND IT'S AN OBSTACLE COURSE, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT NOW ACCESS THAT, UH, STREET.
ESPECIALLY I'VE NOTICED I DON'T HAVE KIDS, BUT, UH, SOMETIMES I DRIVE ON THAT ROAD AT THAT TIME.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE DRIVER'S EDUCATION.
LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU'RE COMING THIS WAY AND YOU'RE COMING THIS WAY AND THERE'S A ROAD, UH, THERE'S A CAR OVER HERE AND A CAR OVER HERE, WHO'S SUPPOSED TO GO FIRST? I, I THINK IT'S CRAZY.
BUT TO COME OUT OF THE, UH, PENINSULA, YOU HAVE TO WAIT SOMETIMES BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE PARKING ON THE OTHER PEOPLE JUST PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE AND YOU CAN'T PULL OUT.
UM, SO I REALLY LIKE FOR SOMEONE OR YOU ALL, UM, TO LOOK AT SANDERS IN THE, IN THE AREA BETWEEN FAIRWAY AND KIRBY, UH, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, IN ONE AREA THERE ISN'T ANY FIRE LANE, UH, OR NO PARKING.
THERE'S PA NO PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AT ONE POINT, SOMETHING CHANGED AND IT MAKES IT EASIER TO BE ABLE TO PULL INTO THE PENINSULA NOW AND NOT HAVE TO LIKE LOOK, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS COMING.
SO THAT WAS A WONDERFUL THING, WHOEVER DID THAT.
UM, UH, SO GENERALLY, LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE AND I DECIDED TO COME AND, UH, I DON'T, NEXT TIME I'LL COME WITH A PIECE OF PAPER AND, YOU KNOW, DECIDE WHAT I'M GONNA COME.
DANIELLA LIVES IN, UH, THE PENINSULA AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR POSITION.
UH, SO LOOKING AT SANDERS, I THINK IS, OH, THE, THE KEY THING I WANNA TELL YOU.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE.
CITIZEN COMMENTS, CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOW CLOSE.
[IV) Agenda Order]
ORDER.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO MOVE ANY OF THE ITEMS AROUND ON THE AGENDA? ALRIGHT,
[3) A proclamation recognizing Turkeys Tackling Hunger Campaign.]
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE, UH, TO REPORTS AND PRESENTATION.UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, PROCLAMATION.
RECOGNIZING TURKEYS TACKLING HUNTER HUNGER CAMPAIGN MAY PRO TIM.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT MONTH FOR US.
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ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THANKSGIVING AND WHAT WE'RE THANKFUL FOR, UH, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THERE'S THOSE OF US THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE.UH, I'M REALLY EXCITED THE COUNCIL THIS YEAR DECIDED TO DO THEIR PART AND DONATE TO THE HAYES COUNTY FOOD BANK.
IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE US, YOU KNOW, HELPING THIS RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.
AND IT'S A WONDERFUL RESOURCE.
IT IT, I MEAN, TODAY, IF YOU WENT BY ST.
ANTHONY'S CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SAW THE PARKING LOT FULL AND SEEING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT SERVED TODAY WAS REALLY, UH, WONDERFUL TO SEE.
TO SEE PEOPLE GETTING A THANKSGIVING MEAL IS IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, WE ALL WANT TO APPRECIATE OUR FAMILIES AND BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH THEM.
SO BEING ABLE TO HELP THESE PEOPLE WITH THEIR THANKSGIVING MEAL WAS WONDERFUL AND IT, IT WAS REALLY HUMBLING TO SEE.
GREAT JOB IS COUNTY FOOD BANK.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I WANNA READ THIS PROCLAMATION REALLY QUICK.
UM, CITY OF COUNCIL PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS HAYES COUNTY FOOD BANK REPRESENTS A COUNTYWIDE EFFORT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCESS TO NUTRITIOUS FOODS, TO LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AND THOSE WHO FIND THEMSELVES IN FOOD EMERGENCIES.
AND WHEREAS IN 2023, HAYES COUNTY FOOD BANK PROVIDED MORE THAN 1,800 MEAL BOXES, INCLUDING A TURKEY AND TRADITIONAL HOLIDAY FOODS AND HOUSEHOLDS IN NEED CAN PREPARE IN THE COMFORTS OF THEIR OWN HOME.
AND WHEREAS IN 2024, THERE WILL BE 300 HOLIDAY MEAL BOXES DISTRIBUTED TO CLIENTS AND KYLE.
AND WHEREAS HAYES COUNTY FOOD BANK HAS OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED ITS 18TH ANNUAL TURKEY T CLEAN HUNGER CAMPAIGN IS AN EFFORT TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THE SPECIAL HOLIDAY AND PROGRAMS. AND WHEREAS HAYES COUNTY FOOD BANK IS COMMITTED TO GROWING THE SPIRIT OF COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, ROBERT RIZZO BY THE VIRTUE AND AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DISTRICT TWO IN CITY, KYLE, TEXAS DUE HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, 2024 S TURKEY TACKLING HUNGER MONTH, AND CALL UPON THE PEOPLE OF KYLE TO PLEDGE TO SUPPORT AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM BY HELPING TO PROVIDE FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS IN NEED IN KYLE AND THROUGHOUT HAYES COUNTY WITH THE FOOD TO PREPARE A TRADITIONAL HOLIDAY MEAL AT HOME.
IN TESTIMONY, WHEREFORE THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL CITY OF KYLE, HAS HER TO SUBSCRIBE THEIR NAMES AND HAVE CALLS THE OFFICIAL SEAL OF THE CITY OF KYLE TO BE HEARD, TO FIX INTO THE CITY OF KYLE AND HIS 19TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2024.
AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE LISA TO THE PODIUM.
HI, I AM LISA YOUNG AND IT'S MY HONOR TO BE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HAYES COUNTY FOOD BANK.
THIS IS A TIME THAT'S VERY EXCITING FOR US.
FIRE UP YOUR OVENS WILL BE, UH, I INVITE YOU ALL TO JOIN ME.
UM, THIS FRIDAY EVENING AT KYLE A CC IS WHEN WE'LL BE HANDING OUT ABOUT 500 TURKEYS, UH, HERE IN KYLE.
UH, PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THIS.
AND IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING THANKFUL AND TAKING THAT MOMENT, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS PRAY THAT WE'RE THANKFUL YEAR ROUND, RIGHT? BUT TAKING THAT MOMENT THAT WE AS A NATION TAKE TO BE THANKFUL, I LOOK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS SUPPORTED THIS WITH ITS FINANCIAL DONATIONS, BOTH PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
BUT I LOOK TO YOU TOO, OUR COUNTY AND CITY LEADERSHIP FOR MODELING AND PAVING THE WAY FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO REALLY REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORS.
OUR MOTTO FOR THIS YEAR'S EFFORT WAS ONE BIG TABLE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SET AND WE ALWAYS NEED YOUR HELP TO DO IT.
AND WE'RE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL FOR IT.
AND, UH, PLEASE, PLEASE COME OUT AND JOIN US AT A CC ON FRIDAY.
I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL FIND IT VERY REWARDING.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT DONATING, WHERE COULD THEY GO, LISA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP.
THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT A DONATION, THE FOOD BANK CAN STRETCH THOSE DOLLARS PRETTY, PRETTY VAST.
UM, WE DO GET A LOT OF FOOD DONATIONS AND EVERYONE'S HAVING FOOD DRIVES RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING PRETTY STOCKED, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
UH, BUT OUR BUYING POWER IS ACTUALLY PRETTY HIGH 'CAUSE WE'RE BUYING VERY MUCH IN BULK.
SO FOR A $60 DONATION, YOU'RE REALLY SUPPORTING A COUPLE OF FAMILIES TO GET THEIR WHOLE HOLIDAY MEAL.
YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO OUR WEBSITE, HAYES FOOD BANK.ORG TO DONATE.
WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO VISIT WITH PEOPLE AND WE DEFINITELY WANT THE COUNCIL TO COME OUT AND SEE OUR NEW BUILDING THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO AFTER CHRISTMAS.
THE OTHER PERSON THAT I, I KNOW MOST PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE FOR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T, UH, ROBERT RIZZO HAS BEEN ON OUR FOOD BANK BOARD FOR SOME TIME, AND WE DEFINITELY CHERISH HIS LEADERSHIP AS WELL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WANNA COME UP FOR? A PHOTO? PHOTO? PHOTO? ALRIGHT.
WE'LL DO A PHOTO IF YOU WANNA COME.
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ANYBODY ELSE IS WELCOME TO JOIN.IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN FOR THE PROCLAMATION, PHOTO
[VI) Consent Agenda]
UP IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY REQUEST TO PULL AND DISCUSS SEPARATELY? MS. MAYOR? YES.
I DON'T HAVE ANY THAT I WANT TO PULL, BUT I HAVE TWO THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ON.
WHAT WAS THE 1 21 I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 23.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE QUESTIONS AFTER THE MOTION.
SO IF YOU WANT TO JUST DO, UH, FOUR THROUGH 22.
UH, LET'S, LET'S DO, UH, I'D LIKE MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE WITH AGENDA ITEMS 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
NO, DO, DO, DO FOUR THROUGH 22.
SHE'LL, WE'LL GET HER QUESTIONS.
WE'LL, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO IT ALL IN ONE THOUGH.
I'D LIKE TO PROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 22, PLEASE.
THAT, UH, SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY MAYOR, THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 22.
IS THERE A QUESTION ON THE MOTION? UH, COUNCILOR HARRIS? UM, ON ITEM 15, UM,
[VII) Items Pulled from Consent Agenda]
I, MY, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.ONE, THERE'S A, A, UH, SENTENCE THAT SAYS IN THE AMOUNT OF 27,000 FOR PALO ALTO AND BARRACUDA NETWORK SECURITY SOFTWARE LICENSEES FOR A NEW, AND IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT NEW.
IT JUST SAYS NEW NOT TO EXCEED.
UM, SO JUST COMPLETE THAT SENTENCE FOR ME, PLEASE.
AND IS THIS AN ANNUAL CONTRACT OR IS THERE A PIECE OF SOFTWARE WE'RE BUYING? YES, MA'AM.
UM, MARCO, FOR, FOR THE RECORD, UH, UH, CITY OF CALL IT, UH, DIRECTOR, UM, THIS ITEM RIGHT HERE IS SP UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR, UH, CYBER SECURITY.
IT'S ACTUALLY A RENEWAL, BUT WE NEEDED TO OUR RENEWAL FOR OUR, UH, FIREWALLS AND NETWORK SECURITY.
AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING NEW.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE ADDING IS A COUPLE LICENSES, WHICH EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT OF THE, UH, THRESHOLD, UH, $50,000 TO TAKE IT OVER TO COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY IT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
AND REALLY THE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS JUST, UH, THE APPROVAL IS JUST TO RENEW OUR EXISTING CONTRACT RIGHT NOW FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
AND IT IS AN ANNUAL AND INCLUDING A COUPLE OF NEW LICENSES NEW CORRECT.
FOR OUR NEW USERS? YES, MA'AM.
UM, 21 IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE, UH, CENTER STREET'S PROJECT SCOPE IS GIVEN AS VETERANS DRIVE TO BURLESON IN THE STAFF MEMO AND PRESENTATION, BUT THE CONTRACT SCOPE, WHICH IS EXHIBIT C SAYS FROM VETERANS TO MAIN STREET, SHOULDN'T THOSE SAY THE SAME THING, BURLESON OR MAIN? THEY, THEY, THEY SHOULD, YES.
WE, WE, I GUESS WE DIDN'T CATCH IT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
SO WHAT WOULD OUR CLARIFICATION ON THAT BE? WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE ACCURATE REQUEST? IT WOULD BE TO BURLESON, TO BUR TO BURLESON, NOT TO MAINE.
I THINK BURSON IS WHERE THE PROJECT ENDS.
SO WE CAN CORRECT IT WHEN WE, UM, EXECUTE THE SCOPE, WE CAN CORRECT IT.
WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT THAT RIGHT.
IT'S CORRECT ON THE ITEM, BUT NOT IN THE SCOPE.
UM, THE SCOPE SAYS TO ME, THE SCOPE SAYS EXHIBIT C.
WE, WE'LL, WE'LL STRAIGHTEN THE SCOPE OUT.
SAYS TO ME, WE'LL STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT.
THAT'S THE ONE WE'LL STRAIGHTEN OUT.
SO IF I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTION WOULD BE, BUT IF YOU PROVE THAT, THEN WE'LL JUST BEFORE WE EXECUTE THE SCOPE CHANGE
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OR THE, THE FINAL DOCUMENT, WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CHANGED ON THE PAPERWORK.WILL, LET'S, WILL THAT DO IT? UH, YOU CAN, UM, YOU CAN MOTION TO AMEND AND HAVE, UM, STAFF, UH, UH, CORRECT THE ERROR AS YOU'VE DISCUSSED.
UM, I WOULD SO INDICATE PLEASE AMEND THAT ITEM 21 TO INDICATE IN EXHIBIT C THAT IT IS VETERANS TO BURLESON.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT? UH, MOTION TO AMEND? YEAH.
JUST, AND JUST TO, UH, ADD TO IT, UH, NOT, NOT ON THE MOTION TO AMEND, BUT ON THE SUBJECT ITSELF, JUST REMEMBERING THAT THIS IS OUR HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT MAKING SURE WE, UH, CONTACT THE TEXAS, UH, STATE HISTORICAL COMMISSION AS FAR AS WELL AS WORKING WITH THE HAYES COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON CONSENT AGENDA? ALRIGHT, MO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A WHOLESALE.
WE STILL HAVE TO, UH, VOTE ON THE, UH, ITEMS. WAS IT, UH, FOUR THROUGH 21? DID WE VOTE ON THAT? WE DID.
YEAH, ACTUALLY, JENNIFER, I'M GONNA PUT YOU IN THE HABIT OF IT.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A WHOLESALE WATER AGREEMENT WITH TEXAS WATER UTILITIES LP FOR THE TAKE OR PAY PURCHASE OF 20,000 GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT OR NEAR I 35.
AND WENDY HILL, THIS ITEM IS PULLED BY COUNCILOR Z.
JUST WANT MR. MURPHY TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OR YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
YEAH, MR. MURPHY, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S VERY LONG, SO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND OKAY.
SO, UM, WE'LL PULL THAT PRESENTATION UP.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO WHOLESALE WATER, UM, TO, UH, TEXAS WATER UTILITIES.
UH, THIS IS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT, UM, OVER IN THE, UH, GO FORTH WINDY HILLS AREA.
UH, POTENTIAL DEVELOPER, TEXAS WATER UTILITIES HAVE APPROACHED THE CITY ABOUT PROVIDING WATER SERVICE TO THE SPECIFIED PROPERTY.
SO THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 20,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
THIS IS A TAKE OR PAY CONTRACT, UM, AT THE AMOUNT OF $6 AND 42 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AMOUNT.
UH, THIS IS WATER THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY, UM, WE'RE NOT USING CURRENT WATER.
THIS IS WATER THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, GETTING IN AS PART OF OUR ALLIANCE WATER.
THE FIRST TRANCHE OF THAT WATER IS 1.73 MILLION GALLONS COMING IN IN 2025.
WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE THIS DEVELOPMENT TO START TAKING WATER UNTIL SOMETIME IN 26, MAYBE EARLY 27.
UH, SO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF WATER TO SUPPLY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO I GUESS THE COUNCIL HAS A FEW MORE DETAILS.
AND, UM, YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT.
SO THIS IS NOT WATER THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING, UH, AND THAT WE CAN, UM, SELL TO TW TWU.
UM, SO GETTING QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS IS, UH, WE'RE IN STAGE THREE, MR. MURPHY, AND, UH, THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UH, WHY ARE WE SELLING THE WHOLESALE WATER, UH, SINCE WE JUST BOUGHT WATER FROM SAN MARCOS LAST YEAR? RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT THE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THAT'S NOT THE WATER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE WATER FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA COME ONLINE AFTER, UH, FEBRUARY 20, 25 MM-HMM.
AND THEN IN EARLY 27 OR MID 27, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER TWO POINT, UH, 2.3 I THINK MILLION GALLONS COMING IN.
SO WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS SMALL AMOUNT OF WATER.
AND THIS IS GOING TO, UH, PROVIDE WATER SERVICES FOR A MCDONALD'S A, UM, A LAZY BOY AND A CHEWY'S RESTAURANT POTENTIALLY.
RIGHT? SO, SO IF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, ARE NOT PROPER, WE, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT SERVICE THE WATER IN A DA, RIGHT? IS THAT, WELL, THAT'S SORT OF A DIFFERENT QUESTION, AMY.
THIS AGREEMENT, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLAR CLARIFICATION THAT WE HAVE MORE CONTROL RIGHT ON THIS THAN, THAN WHAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT KNOW.
RIGHT? SO THIS AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY LIMITS THE USE OF THE WATER TO THIS SITE.
SO IT'S ONLY IF WE APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS SITE, WHICH WE HAVE A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER COMING IN, AND IT WOULD, THEY COULD NOT USE IT FOR ANYONE ELSE OR FOR ANY OTHER LOCATION.
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ARE WE SELLING THIS FOR? UH, A THOUSAND GALLONS.SO WE'RE, AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THOSE DOLLARS THAT WE CAPTURE SO THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD GO BACK INTO OUR WATER FUND? UH, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER THAT, UH, WE'RE BUYING WHOLESALE WATER FROM SAN MARCOS AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
SO THIS WILL ACTUALLY HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THAT WHILE WE'RE GETTING IN FROM ARAWA.
AND AR AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A TAKE OR PAY CONTRACT.
AND, UH, WHEN AND WHEN DID WE GO IN STAGE THREE? I'M SORRY, I WASN'T ON DIOCESE AT THE TIME.
WHAT WAS THE DATE THAT Y'ALL WENT ON STAGE THREE? DO YOU REMEMBER? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFICER, THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WE COULD CERTAINLY GET IT FOR YOU.
I JUST WONDERING WHAT INFORMATION COUNSEL GOT TO GO TO STAGE THREE? I DON'T KNOW.
I, I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT FOR YOU.
WE COULD LOOK THAT UP AND GET IT TO THE DIOCESE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION MOTIONS MR. MAYOR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 23.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY COUNCIL ZUNIGA.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE APPROVE.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[24) Consider Approval of A Resolution Finding Public Convenience and Necessity And Authorizing The Use of Eminent Domain To Condemn If Necessary a 3,112 Square Foot Parcel of Land in Fee Simple (as described in Exhibit 4) From Certain Real Property Owned By Martha Faye Prado, For The Public Use And Purpose of Construction Of Public Roadway Improvements for Old Stagecoach Road.]
ITEM 24.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION FINDING.
I DO APOLOGIZE FOR IF IT'S HARD TO HEAR, I'M HAVING SOME VOCAL ISSUES.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY IN AUTHORIZING THE USE OF IMMINENT DOMAIN TO CONDEMN IF NECESSARY.
A 3,112 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL OF LAND IN FEE.
SIMPLE AS DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT FOUR FROM CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY MARTHA FAYE PDO FOR THE PUBLIC USE AND PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS FOR OLD STAGE COACH ROAD.
ALRIGHT, MS. MIKE, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
AMBER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS FOR THE ROAD BOND PROJECT, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.
UM, THIS STRETCH OF THE PROJECT WILL IMPROVE OLD STAGE COACH ROAD FROM SIX CREEKS BOULEVARD TO RANGE TO MARKET ONE 50.
HERE'S WHAT THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS LOOK LIKE.
UM, OLD STAGE COACH ROAD IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN AND APPRAISALS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'VE MADE A BOT A BONAFIDE OFFER BASED ON THOSE APPRAISALS, AND WE'VE TRIED TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE NEGOTIATIONS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL.
HERE'S THE PARCEL THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A PCN ON TONIGHT.
IT'S OWNED BY MARTHA FAYE PRETO.
UM, WE NEED 3,112 SQUARE FEET.
AND SO BY FINDING A PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, IT AUTHORIZES THE COUNSEL TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY.
OPTIONS ARE APPROVE OR DENY, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, THE, THIS ITEM DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC MOTION, BUT IF, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ITEM FIRST? ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I MOVED THAT THE CITY OF KYLE AUTHORIZED THE USE OF THE POWER OF IMMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE 3,112 SQUARE FEET OF LAND IN FEE.
SIMPLE FORM FROM THE PROPERTY OWNED BY MARTHA FAYE PRATO, AS DESCRIBED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF CONSTRUCTING AND OPERATING PUBLIC ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE OLD STAGE COACH ROAD PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, SECOND BY MAYOR THAT WE APPROVE.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[25) (First and Final Reading) Consider approval of an ordinance of the City of Kyle, Texas approving the Amended and Restated Project and Finance Plan for Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number Four, City of Kyle, approving the expansion of the TIRZ Board, adding additional projects and expanding the boundaries of the zone; approving an interlocal agreement pertaining to the zone; and other matters related thereto. Public Hearing ]
RIGHT, NEXT STEP IS AGENDA ITEM 25.THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF KYLE, TEXAS APPROVING THE AMENDED AND RESTATED PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN FOR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT.
ZONE NUMBER FOUR, CITY OF KYLE APPROVING THE EXPANSION OF THE TURS BOARD, ADDING ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AND EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ZONE, APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT PERTAINING TO THE ZONE AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERETO.
THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, THIS ITEM HAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. LIEBE, IF YOU WANNA PRESENT, THEN I'LL DO PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS STEPHANIE LIEBE, WITH NOR ROSE FULBRIGHT.
OUR FIRM SERVES AS BOND COUNCIL TO THE CITY.
WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ASKING THE CITY TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO BOTH EXPAND THE BOUNDARIES OF TOURIST FOUR, ADD ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, UH, TO AUTHORIZE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE TOUR ITSELF, AND THEN ALSO AUTHORIZE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HAYES COUNTY.
SO IF YOU ALL RECALL, UH, TOURIST FOUR WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF LIMESTONE CREEK, UM, AND ONE OF THE CITY'S,
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UH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS.AT THE TIME OF INITIAL CREATION, THE TOURIST WAS A CITY ONLY TOURISTS, AND SO ONLY THE CITY WAS CONTRIBUTING TAX INCREMENT, UM, TO HELP SUPPORT SOME PROJECTS WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST THE EXPANSION OF THE TOURISTS TO ADD ADDITIONAL LAND THAT'S ADJACENT TO LIMESTONE CREEK AND ORDER TO SUPPORT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF GO FORTH ROAD AND A PROPOSED CITY COUNTY, UM, BUILDING THAT COULD BE BUILT IN THE VICINITY OF THE TOURISTS.
IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EXPANSION AND THE ADDITIONAL, THE ADDITION OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS, THE COUNTY HAS ALSO AGREED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TOUR.
SO WE'LL TAKE A TOURIST FROM A CITY ONLY PARTICIPATION TO A CITY AND COUNTY PARTICIPATION.
UM, CITY AND COUNTY PARTICIPATION WILL BE, UH, OR THOSE TAX INCREMENTS WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO USE FOR THE GO FORTH ROAD EXPANSION, SOME IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE QUAIL RIDGE SUBDIVISION, AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, A PROPOSED JOINT CITY COUNTY FACILITY THAT WOULD BE BUILT, UM, IN THE VICINITY OF THE OF THE ZONE.
THE AMENDED PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN INCLUDES SOME PROPOSED COSTS RELATED TO THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE ARE SHOWN NOW.
RIGHT NOW IT'S EARMARKED ABOUT $75 MILLION FOR GO FORTH ROAD, $10 MILLION FOR THE QUAIL RIDGE IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN $15 MILLION FOR THE PROPOSED CITY COUNTY FACILITY.
TIMELINE FOR WHEN WE THINK COSTS WOULD COME ONLINE, WE SHOW SOME EXPENDITURES BEGINNING IN 2025, UH, AND THEN FLOWING THROUGH UNTIL 2035.
THE DATE OF THESE EXPENDITURES RIGHT NOW ARE PROPOSED BECAUSE IT WILL BE DRIVEN BY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE ZONE.
SO SOONER THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS WITHIN THE ZONE SOONER, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS CAN BE UNDERTAKEN.
UM, A COUPLE DIFFERENT FINANCING OPTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY GO FORTH ROAD.
UH, GO FORTH ROAD WAS INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY'S RECENT COUNTY ROAD BOND ELECTION.
AND SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE COUNTY MAY CHOOSE TO ISSUE ROAD BONDS TO FINANCE ALL OR A PORTION OF GO FORTH ROAD.
THESE TOURISM REVENUES COULD BE USED TO HELP SUPPORT ALL OR ABORTION OF THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT, UM, FOR THE COUNTY BONDS.
AND THEN THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT IF INDEPENDENT DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG AND IS ABLE TO SUPPORT GO FORTH ROAD, THOSE TOUR REVENUES WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, UM, TO SUPPORT THAT DEVELOPMENT THROUGH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, WHICH IS HOW IT WAS DONE IN CONNECTION WITH LIMESTONE CREEK.
THE NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UM, PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN IS JUST FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY.
SO THAT JUST SHOWS PROPOSED TAX INCREMENTS THAT MAY BE GENERATED IN THE ZONE.
UM, IF DEVELOPMENT OCCURS AS IT'S CURRENTLY PROJECTED, THIS IS THE SAME SLIDE.
THESE ARE ACTIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO DATE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, THIS TOURIST FOR EXPANSION.
WE DID COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE OPENED, HELD AND CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE ALSO GONE TO HAYES COUNTY.
THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN, HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THE PLAN AND HAVE AUTHORIZED THE EXECUTION OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY SO THAT COUNTY REVENUES CAN BE APPROPRIATED TO THE CITY TO SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS.
SO WITH THAT, TONIGHT WE'RE BEFORE THE CITY REQUESTING, UM, THAT COUNCIL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ADOPT THE ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE, UM, THE NEW PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN, EXPANSION OF THE ZONE, AND THEN ALSO THE ADDITION OF COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES TO THE TOUR BOARD ITSELF.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE, UM, OR OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE ITEM? CUSTOMER JENA? YES.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, SO THERE'S TWO LARGE PARCELS THAT IT APPEARS THAT THE ROAD WOULD BE BUILT THROUGH, BUT THERE IN THE KYLE ETJ.
SO HOW DO THEY CONTRIBUTE INTO THE TS WHEN THEY'RE KYLE ETJ PARCELS? SO BOTH OF THOSE PARCELS, AND SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY'RE CURRENTLY SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND SUBJECT TO ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS.
SO AS SOON AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS WITHIN THOSE PARCELS, THERE ARE MECHA MECHANISMS IN PLACE FOR THAT LAND TO BE ANNEXED INTO CITY LIMITS.
SO THAT, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE TURS THERE.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST WANTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FOR THE, ANYONE WHO'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THE GRAPHIC THAT WAS JUST SHOWN TO JUST, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTS, A VERY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT GOING ON IN EAST KYLE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN SECTION AT THE BOTTOM, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS BUILT.
UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY, UM, IMPACT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING BUT THE CITY WE'VE BEEN, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO CONNECT THESE PARCELS.
AND BY KEEPING THE PROJECT ALIVE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE, UH, COUNTY TO SEE THE VISION AND PUT THE GULF FORTH EXTENSION ON THE BOND, WHICH WAS JUST PASSED.
AND SO NOW, UM, UM, WITH, WITH LIMITED EXCEPTIONS, EVERY BIT OF THAT, UH, PURPLE ROAD, UH, IS FUNDED AND AND UNDERWAY.
AND IT'S GONNA CREATE A, A MAJOR NEW ARTERIAL, UH, CONNECTING THE YARRINGTON EXIT NORTH AND SOUTH SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE I 35 AND OR ONE 50, UH, BETWEEN LAYMAN ROAD AND, AND I 35, WHICH BOTTLENECKS, THIS IS INTENDED TO TAKE A LOT OF PRESSURE OFF, BUT THIS IS NO LONGER JUST A LINE ON A MAP.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN SEEING THIS LINE ON A MAP FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS.
UH, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO HAVE, HAVE PUT THE FUNDING MECHANISMS. THERE'S JUST SO MUCH COMPLICATION TO MAKING A ROAD PROJECT LIKE THIS COME TO LIFE IN A LOT OF WAYS FOR IT TO FAIL.
AND, UH, AND FOLKS IN THE FUTURE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT IT FAILED 'CAUSE IT WOULD'VE JUST FAILED.
UH, KUDOS TO THE CITY AND THE VOTERS, UH, WHO HAVE, UH, BEEN BEHIND THIS PROJECT.
UH, IT'S GONNA MAKE A, A, A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UH, AND I'M, I'M REALLY PROUD OF CAST THIS VOTE.
AND I'LL SECOND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, MR. MAYOR.
UM, AS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVES ON ONE 50 TO GET SOUTH, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY EXCEPT CROSSING OVER 35.
SO THIS GO FORTH ROAD IS GOING TO BE A, A GAME CHANGER FOR THAT, THAT AREA, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY.
SO, UH, YEAH, AND THERE WERE MANY, MANY POINTS ALONG THE WAY WHERE THIS PROJECT WAS ON ITS LIFELINE.
SO JUST TO SEE THAT WHERE THIS FAR, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY AMAZING.
CAN YOU ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MAYOR PRO TE? YEAH, MAYOR, I, I JUST WANNA THANK STAFF, UH, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.
WHEN WE STARTED TALKING, HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT PUTTING THIS ROAD ON THE BOND STAFF AND, UM, SEVERAL OF THE DIOCESE, UH, WERE PART OF THE TALKS AND NEGOTIATION, UH, WENT TO THE COUNTY AND REALLY SHOWED A TRUE VISION FOR THIS ROAD.
AND JUST YOUR HARD WORK REALLY HELPED THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD INTO THE BOND.
AND ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR LISTENING TO US AS WELL.
THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY, THEY DEFINITELY HAD A BIG PART OF THIS.
I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERY, ALL, EVERYBODY THAT WAS A PART OF THIS, UH, PROJECT AND HELPING YOU BRING FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MOTIONS MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 SECOND.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY THAT WE APPROVE.
AGENDA ITEM 25, IS THERE DISCUSSION ON MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, MOTION, CARRIE, SEVEN TO ZERO.
[26) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing an agreement with Diamond Communications, LLC for the lease of wireless telecommunication space on city-owned properties.]
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM 26.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT WITH DIAMOND COMMUNICATIONS LLC FOR THE LEASE OF WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS SPACE ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES.
GOOD EVENING, ROSIE TREE LOVE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
AND I'M HERE WITH MY PARTNER MELISSA MCCULLUM.
AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TODAY.
I'M GONNA START OFF AND THEN I'LL TRANSITION OVER TO HER.
SO, UM, BACK IN APRIL, WE CAME TO YOU, UH, WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, UH, RECOGNIZING STAFF AND RESIDENTS HAVE IDENTIFIED AND MADE COMPLAINTS REGARDING CELL COVERAGE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.
AND THAT THERE IS A DESIRE TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS TO IMPROVE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF CITIZENS AND COMMUNITY.
SOME OF OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE ALSO RELIES ON WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY.
UM, MOBILE COMMUNICATION MEANS THAT WE HAVE NO MORE LANDLINES.
THIS WILL, UH, ALLOW FOR BETTER COVERAGE AND LESS DOWNTIME.
UM, INTERNET OF THINGS AND CONNECTIVITY AS WELL AS, UH, SECURITY AND SAFETY.
UM, SO WE RECOGNIZE THERE ARE CURRENT GAPS IN OUR CELL COVERAGE.
THIS MAP IDENTIFIES POTENTIAL AREAS FOR NEW TOWERS OR CO-LOCATION OF FACILITIES IN GREEN AND AREAS WITH POOR COVERAGE THAT WOULD BE IMPROVED IN RED.
AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD BE STUDIED CITYWIDE TO REDUCE, UH, GAPS IN COVERAGE.
AND THESE ADDITIONAL GAPS EXIST IN VARIOUS AREAS OF THE CITY, OR THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RATHER, UH, GAPS THAT EXIST IN VARIOUS AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ALSO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, WE PUT OUT A PROPOSAL, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS BACK IN JULY, SEEKING QUALIFIED FIRMS TO SUBMIT, UH, FOR PROPOSALS TO LEASE, UH, FOR LEASE OPPORTUNITIES ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY, UH, FOR WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT.
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UH, PRIOR TO OUR DEADLINE OF AUGUST 20TH.UH, WE EVALUATED THESE FIVE PROPOSALS.
THEY INCLUDED, UH, WIRELESS EDGE CONSULTANTS, KGI WIRELESS, TERRA BONE, VERTICAL BRIDGE, AND DIAMOND COMMUNICATIONS.
OUR EVALUATION CRITERIA, UH, LOOKED AT, UH, FIRST THEIR ABILITY TO INCREASE BANDWIDTH COVERAGE AND OR CAPACITY FOR 30 POINTS.
UH, ITEM TWO WAS AESTHETICALLY APPROPRIATE USE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR 20 POINTS.
UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE OF OUR EVALUATION CRITERIA WERE, WAS, UH, EVALUATING THEIR TECHNICAL EXPERTISE AND CAPABILITIES, UH, AND DOCUMENTATION OF NEED FOR 20 POINTS.
AND LASTLY, WE EVALUATED THEM ON THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH SIMILAR PROJECTS, UM, FOR 20 POINTS IN TOTAL REVENUE TO THE CITY.
UM, OUR SELECTION IS DIAMOND COMMUNICATIONS, UH, OR OUR RECOMMENDATION RATHER.
AND MELISSA'S GONNA GO OVER WHY WE RECOMMEND, UH, DIAMOND COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, DIAMOND COMMUNICATIONS REALLY STOOD OUT IN THAT THEY WOULD HELP US AT THE CITY REALLY, UM, UNDERSTAND AND MAXIMIZE SOME OF OUR REVENUE POTENTIAL ON OUR CITY FACILITIES.
UM, THEY'LL REALLY WORK WITH US ON STREAMLINING, UM, MANAGEMENT.
WE WOULD WORK WITH ONE COMPANY THAT WOULD HELP US, UM, MANAGE THE MULTIPLE WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS AND, AND PROVIDERS.
SO WE'RE HOPING MORE THAN ONE USER IS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL TOWER AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRY EXPERTISE.
SO THEY'VE DONE THIS NOT ONLY WITH, WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, SUCH AS OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, BUT THEY WORK WITH OTHER, UH, CITIES AS WELL.
SO, UH, WITH THIS PLAN, UM, REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IS IMPROVED, UH, WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH, REALLY THAT'S JUST INCREASING COVERAGE FOR ALL OF US AS, AS USERS OF OUR, UH, CELL PHONE DEVICES.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE CITY ON, UH, DOING A AESTHETIC AND STRATEGIC PLANNING.
YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY TYPE OF POLL IS PERFECT AT EVERY LOCATION.
SO THEY'LL REALLY, UH, WORK WITH US ON THE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND HOW THAT'LL WORK, UH, FOR THAT.
AND THEN, UH, COST EFFICIENCY IS, UH, THEY ABSORB THE COST OF, OF MAINTAINING AND BUILDING THE TOWER AND, UH, WE ARE A PARTNER IN RECEIVING SOME OF THE, THE RENT FOR THAT.
SO DIAMOND, UH, DID SHARE, UH, SOME OF THIS WITH, UH, SOME OF THEIR SLIDES AND, HELLO.
OH, HERE, WE, WE HAVE A DIAMOND REPRESENTATIVE HERE AND, UH, HE COULD, UM, INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND, AND UH, UH, SHARE WITH US KIND OF, UH, UH, HIS EXPERIENCE IN THE, IN THE STANDARDS.
BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD BE REALLY TO GO OUT WITH A MARKETING AGREEMENT.
HE WOULD MARKET US AS A CITY PARTNER, HELPING IDENTIFY, UH, THESE SERVICES WITH HIS EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE AND, UM, ALL OF, UM, THE EXPERIENCE THAT HE HAS.
HE DID THIS KIND OF COVERAGE MAP OF HONESTLY CURRENTLY WHERE WE HAVE SOME GAPS ALREADY FOR THE CITY.
AND, UH, WITH, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF, OF THREE POTENTIAL, UH, TOWERS, IT WOULD BRING, UH, 45,000, UM, ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, COVERAGE, UM, UH, POPULATION TO COVER MORE WITH, WITH JUST LOCATING AT THESE INITIAL LOCATIONS.
SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF, OF WHAT THREE NEW TOWERS WOULD BE AND HOW THIS WOULD HELP COVERAGE.
AND THEN, UH, THIS IS, UH, THE ECONOMIC PROPOSAL AND UH, KIND OF CASH FLOW STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
SO, UM, WITH EXISTING STRUCTURES VERSUS NEW TOWER BUILDS AND HOW THIS WOULD WORK INTO OUR SYSTEM AND, AND, UH, YEARLY COSTS.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL APPROVE THIS CONTRACT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, DIAMOND ON, ON, ON LEASING OUT SOME OF OUR FACILITIES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR TOBIAS LOOKING AT THE MAP MAKES SENSE.
LOOK AT THE RED SECTION THERE.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME I CROSS THE BRIDGE AND I'M LISTENING TO MY HAIR BEND NATION RADIO, IT CLICKS OUT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS MY PHONE.
UM, BUT IT SHOWS THAT WHOLE AREA THERE, THAT'S WHERE HEB IS AT, RIGHT? YES.
ALL THE WAY TO A CC AND ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS OUT THERE IS WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THE COVERAGE AND THAT'S PRETTY HEAVY POPULATED WITH RESIDENT, WITH, UH, RETAIL.
SO, UH, WOULD, WOULD THAT HELP IMPROVE THAT AREA THAT'S REAL POPULATED? 'CAUSE I KNOW, UM, WHEN YOU GO TO THESE TYPES OF AREAS OF CITIES AND TOWNS, THERE'S A LOT OF WIFI IN ONE AREA.
WHEN YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOPPING AND SO FORTH VERSUS IN THE OTHER AREAS, WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO HELP RESOLVE SOME OF THIS? I, I THINK SO.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE PRE OR LIKE THE EXISTING SITUATION NOW MAP AND THEN THIS WOULD BE POST AFTER THE TOWERS.
BUT IF YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT HEB
I THINK YOU GOT LIKE TARGET HEBI MEAN IT'S JUST REAL POPULATED WITH ABSOLUTELY.
WITH RETAIL THERE OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT, UH, CELL PHONES AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE REGISTERS, THEY'RE GOING EXACTLY ALL
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THAT.WOULD THAT HELP OUT WITH THAT? YES.
ANYTHING THAT'S CELLULAR RELATED FOR THE CARRIERS FROM THE CARRIERS.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THESE WOULD BE NEW TOWERS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE MAP WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE WATER TOWERS.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE JUST PROPOSED POTENTIAL LOCATIONS.
WE'VE ONLY HAD PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH, I THINK WE WOULD, BY PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING VERTICAL STRUCTURE OF SOME SORT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN USE THAT EXISTING VERTICAL STRUCTURE AND MOUNT ANTENNAS ON THOSE.
IF, IF THAT'S AN OPTION AND IT WORKS FOR THE CITY AND WORKS FOR THE CARRIERS, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
AND DO YOU, UM, DO YOU USE, UH, BACKUP GENERATORS FOR YOUR TOWERS? UH, OPG? UM, MANY OF THE CARRIERS DO NOW TO, TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY'RE HARDENED.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS A BIG ICE STORM FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU LOSE ELECTRICITY OR WATER.
UM, SO THE INDIVIDUAL CARRIERS WOULD BE, THEY DO, YES.
THEY'LL PUT THEIR OWN GENERATORS ON THE SITE YES MA'AM.
AND WE WOULD, UM, ENCLOSE THOSE AND KEEP UP THE COMPOUNDING AND INSPECT THE TOWER AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS AESTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, GOOD FOR THE CITY.
THAT'S LIKE THEY, THEY DO HAVE WHAT I'VE TERMED GROUND MOUNTED EQUIPMENT.
SO THEY DO HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT ON THE GROUND THAT HOOKS UP TO THE, TO THE TOWERS, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE SOME OF THE GENERATOR FACILITIES NOW.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT THOUGH, THAT WOULD BE WITHIN, UH, OUR LEASEABLE AREAS AND WE WOULD HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS ON WHERE THAT COULD BE LOCATED ON OUR SITES AS WELL.
'CAUSE THOSE GENERATORS AREN'T QUIET
AND SO IF, IF, IF QUIET IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED, OBVIOUSLY YEAH.
UM, THEN, THEN WE WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D RIDE INTO LEASE FOR THAT.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE NEW HONDAS ARE REALLY EXTREMELY QUIET.
UH, SOME ARE GAS, SOME ARE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH, GASOLINE AS WELL.
YEAH, I JUST, UH, WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE REASON THAT WE'RE PURSUING THIS IS THAT COUNCIL HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS, A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM OUR RESIDENTS WONDERING WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP OUT WITH THE WIFI SITUATIONS.
I KNOW THAT WHEN I'M NEAR THE WALMART OR THE ACADEMY OUT THERE, I MEAN, I LOSE SIGNAL COMPLETELY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, AND I'VE TRIED DIFFERENT, UH, PROVIDERS STILL DOESN'T HELP.
SO IT'S UH, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REALLY, UH, THAT WE STARTED PURSUING AS A COUNCIL BECAUSE, AS A CITY, BECAUSE, UH, THE REQUEST WE'RE THE AMOUNT OF REQUESTS WE'RE GETTING TO TRY TO RECTIFY THIS.
SO, UH, I'M GLAD THAT STAFF IS TAKING THIS SERIOUS AND MOVING FORWARD.
YEAH, I CAN'T GET CELL PHONE RECEPTION AT THE PSC.
IT'S GONNA TURN GREEN HOPEFULLY VERY SOON.
I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 SECOND.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE APPROVE.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? AND JUST, JUST TO ADD AGAIN, THIS, UH, WHERE THE AREA THAT'S IN RED, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN LINE AT KOHL'S AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DOWNLOAD A COUPON OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU KNOW, IT TAKES FOREVER.
BUT JUST BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE CELL PHONE RECEPTION THERE IN CASE WE HAVE, UH, AN EMERGENCY IN THOSE AREAS THAT WOULD REALLY HELP.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS? AND I, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CELL PHONE COVERAGE IS BARELY ACCEPTABLE IN MOST PARTS OF THE CITY.
BUT WHENEVER INTERNET GOES OUT LIKE SPECTRUM, WHICH HISTORICALLY WE'VE ONLY HAD SPECTRUM, WE'RE FIXING THAT TOO.
BUT WHEN THE INTERNET GOES OUT, WHAT DOES EVERYONE DO? THEY PULL OUT THEIR CELL PHONE AND CRASH THE SYSTEM.
SO WHEN SPECTRUM GOES OUT, YOU LOSE ALL COMMUNICATION.
SO IF YOU'RE WORKING FROM HOME, YOU'RE SHOCKED.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A QUALITY OF LIFE INITIATIVE.
AND IT STARTED LIKE MAY PRO TIM AND CUSTOMER TOBIAS WAS SAYING IT ACTUALLY STARTED BACK IN FRISCO BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WERE NOTICING HOW GREAT THEIR CELL COVERAGE WAS.
WE WERE TOURING WITH THEM AND ALL THEIR STAFF AND THEY SAID, YEAH, IT'S BY DESIGN.
WE RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, UH, CELL TOWER SITES ARE INCREASINGLY IN, UH, LIMITED DEMAND, UH, OR ARE HIGH DEMAND AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO PUT THOSE, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN.
AND SO FRISCO STARTED LEASING OUT THEIR WATER TOWERS.
WELL, KYLE HAS ALWAYS NOT ALLOWED THAT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT, MAN, WE DON'T WANNA PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF ALL UP EVERYWHERE.
BUT THEY DROVE US AROUND AND SHOWED, AND NUMBER ONE, GREAT COVERAGE.
AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S A REVENUE GENERATOR.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE GENERATING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN FRANCHISE REVENUES OFF THEIR TOWERS, UH, WHILE INCREASING THE VALUE TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND THEY'RE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD PUT THOSE.
UH, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN SEE THEM, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BUT IN THE, THE, THE, WHAT YOU LOSE BY SEEING SOME OF THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A BELT WRAPPED AROUND A TOWER, WHAT YOU LOSE IN THAT AESTHETIC, YOU GAIN
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IN REVENUE TO THE CITY AND INCREASED CELL COVERAGE.SO I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH IT.
WE'VE BEEN PURSUING IT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT YOU'D LIKE, LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID, YOU HAVE TO GET THE PROVIDERS TO VOLUNTARILY.
SO THIS IS US TRYING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND NO PRESSURE, BUT ACTUALLY, YES, LOTS OF PRESSURE.
'CAUSE THE, IT'S NOT JUST EMAILS.
WE EXPERIENCE THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THIS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A REAL LOW POINT FOR US.
SO, ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALL MOTION, CARRIE? SEVEN AND ZERO.
[27) Consider approval of an ordinance authorizing Amendment No. 1 to the contract with Archer Western Contractors, LLC for Phase II construction of the FM 1626 Ground Storage Tank and Pump Station Improvements project in the amount of $19,319,167 with a new total contract amount of $44,319,167.]
[28) Consider approval of a construction contract with Prota, Inc. for the construction of the elevated storage tanks, ground storage tanks, and pump station at CR 158 in an amount not to exceed $14,945,000.]
[29) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing the City’s cost participation in the construction of the Hoover Drive Elevated Storage Tank in the amount of $2,181,183.77 in accordance with the FM 150 Water Facilities Service, Financing, and Construction Agreement]
[30) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing an agreement with Taknek, LLC for the construction of a non-potable water pump station and all appurtenances at the City of Kyle wastewater treatment plant in an amount not to exceed $4,154,449.20, and rejecting the low bidder, CivCon, as non-responsible.]
IS AGENDA ITEM 27.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE CONTRACT WITH ARCHER WESTERN CONTRACTORS, LLC FOR PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION OF THE FM 1626 GROUND STORAGE TANK AND PUMP STATION IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, AND THE AMOUNT OF 19,003 $19,319,167 WITH A NEW TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT OF $44,319,167.
DO YOU WANNA DO THE NEXT TWO AT THIS AS WELL? YES, SIR.
WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN 28 AND 29 ALSO.
UH, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH PROTA INC.
FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS, GROUND STORAGE TANKS, AND PUMP STATION AT CR 1 58 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $14,945,000.
SO, SO IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE ALL, SO IT'S 29.
IT'S GONNA BE A TAG TEAM WITH ME, RIGHT? IT'S 27 THROUGH 30.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT PREPPED IN MY NOTES.
UM, 29 IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY'S COST PARTICIPATION IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOOVER DRIVE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IN THE AMOUNT OF TWO MILLION TWO MILLION ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THREE DOLLARS AND 77 CENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FM ONE 50 WATER FACILITY SERVICE FINANCING AND CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT.
NUMBER 30 IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT WITH TNIC LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF NON-POTABLE WATER PUMP STATION AND ALL PS AT THE CITY OF KYLE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $4,154,449 AND 20 CENTS IN REJECTING THE LOW BIDDER CIV CON AS NON-RESPONSIBLE.
ALRIGHT, MAYOR PRO, TIM COUNCIL.
MIKE MURPHY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES CITY OF KYLE.
SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, I WANT TO, UH, THANK OUR TEAM ON THIS PROJECT.
THIS, THIS HAS BEEN SO FAR, HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
UH, I WANNA RECOGNIZE TIM STA UH, SANFORD AND MICHAEL VAN WINKLE WITH THE CITY STAFF.
UH, YVONNE GIL HOYA, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER.
YVONNE, THANK YOU SO MUCH ON THIS PROJECT, HDR ENGINEERING FOR WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH US AND ARCHER WESTERN, WHO IS OUR CONTRACTOR.
AND THE REASON I WANNA RECOGNIZE THESE PEOPLE, IT'LL, IT'LL BECOME VERY CLEAR IN JUST A SECOND.
SEE, UH, OH, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR IN HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
UM, THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE IS TO BUILD, TO BID THIS PROJECT OUT.
THIS IS THE, THE FIRST TRANCHE OF WATER COMING FROM ARWA FROM ALLIANCE WATER OF 1.73 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT, UH, QU TO BID THE PROJECT OUT IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF, UH, 2024 WITH CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION DATE SET IN LATE FOURTH QUARTER, THE 20, EXCUSE ME, OF 2025.
SO WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE WATER WAS COMING EARLIER IN FEBRUARY OF 2024, WE CAME TO COUNCIL BACK IN APRIL AND REQUESTED EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT FUND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 1626 WATER SITE.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE WATER, UM, WHEN IT WAS DELIVERED INSTEAD OF THEM WAITING, HAVING THE WATER AND THEM, UH, ALLIANCE WAITING FOR US TO TAKE IT.
SO WITH THE GOOD WORK OF THIS, OF THIS GROUP OF MEN AND WOMEN ON THIS PROJECT, AND WE ABSOLUTELY MEET EVERY WEEK, I THINK IS IS VERY RARE SINCE WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION WITH ARCHER WESTIN THAT WE HAVEN'T MET ON A WEEKLY BASIS, WE'RE ABLE TO SHA 300 DAYS OFF OF THIS CONTRACT FOR PHASE ONE.
SO I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL THESE PEOPLE FOR THEIR HARD WORK.
AND THIS IS VERY, AND AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED ON 1626.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE WORK PROGRESS AS, AS THIS PROJECT IS DEVELOPING.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH A 90% COMPLETE SET OF PLANS.
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CONSTRUCTION WHILE WE'RE STILL UNDER DESIGN ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH MAKES IT VERY CHALLENGING.SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GROUP OF VERY SMART MEN AND WOMEN TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT TO MAKE IT SO SUCCESSFUL.
SO PHASE TWO IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO CONVEY WATER FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF ARAWA.
AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT WATER AT THE, UH, VERDE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK SITE.
IT'S CRITICAL TO THIS PROJECT AND TO THE TRANSMISSION OF WATER ACROSS ALL THREE PRESSURE PLANES IN THE CITY.
SO THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL PROJECT PIECE OF THAT PROJECT.
NOW, THIS IS NOT THE THIRD TAKE POINT, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THE NEXT, UH, NEXT LOGICAL PHASE OF THIS PROJECT.
SO THE PLANS ARE NOW 100% COMPLETE.
AND SO CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT HAVE OCCURRED BETWEEN THAT THE 90% AND 100% COMPLETE SET OF PLANS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO PHASE TWO, UH, THE, THE PLANS ARE 100% COMPLETE.
UM, THEY WERE SUBMITTED BY HDR IN SEPTEMBER, THIS PAST SEPTEMBER.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE, WE ARE ANTICIPATING SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION BY 2026.
AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE WITH, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE, UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE WATER, UH, AS THE SECOND TRANCHE OF WATER COMES FROM ALLIANCE.
THIS IS VERY CRITICAL TO THAT.
AND SO THERE'S JUST A, AND, AND SINCE WE TOOK, THEY'RE MOVING SO FAST SINCE WE TOOK THIS PICTURE, OBVIOUSLY SEVERAL THINGS HAVE CHANGED TO THIS SITE.
YOU'VE SEEN THE, THE CONCRETE STYLE OF REINFORCED THE CONCRETE AROUND THE EXISTING TANK.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY TO PHRASE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND SO IF YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE A GRAY CONCRETE TANK OUT THERE, UM, ON SITE.
SO PHASE TWO WILL PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NE UH, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, NECESSARY CONVEY THE ARAWA DELIVERY POINT, UM, IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2027, COMPONENTS OF BOTH 1626.
AND THE VERDE ELEVATED SITE WILL PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE WATER ACROSS ALL THREE PRESSURE PLANES, THE PHASE THREE.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S, THERE'S STILL ANOTHER PHASE TO GO, AND THAT'S THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU NEXT CIP TO, TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW ON THE VERDE SITE, RIGHT? YOU, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF WORK TAKING PLACE OUT THERE, BUT VERY SHORTLY, UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PROCURING MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT, PUMPS, EVERYTHING NECESSARY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SITE.
PLUS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PHASE TWO WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON THE 1626 SITE.
SO JUST QUICK, QUICKLY WALK, WALKING AROUND THIS MAP HERE, I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
SO IF YOU GO UP TO THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER, YOU'LL SEE THE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH THAT, UH, EXISTING, UH, CONTROL ROOM.
AND THEN AS YOU MOVE DOWN TO THE LEFT, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE OUR NEW CHLORINE BUILDING.
AND THEN BELOW THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ENCLOSED GENERATOR THAT'S GONNA BE SOUND ATTENUATED, UH, AS PART OF THAT CLOSURE.
AND THEN AS YOU GO AROUND TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S GONNA BE OUR BOOSTER PUMP STATION AND ELECTRICAL CONTROL ROOM.
IT'S GONNA HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT MASONARY FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THAT DRAWING, SORT OF THE, THE SHADED AREA THAT'S GONNA BE ASPHALT PAVED ROADS.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A, AN ADDITIONAL SITE LOCATED, UH, WHICH IS SPACE FOR, UM, FUTURE GROUND STORAGE TANK.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING VERY QUICKLY ON THIS PROJECT, AND WE'RE GOING TO, UH, BE READY TO GO IN 2027.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS THE FUNDING.
AND FROM THE TIME WE DID THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE, BASED ON 90% PLANS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANS, WE WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL COST TO THE SITE AND DESIGN MODIF.
AND THESE ARE THE, THE LIST OF REASONS THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THE COST OF THAT, OF THE, OF THE PHASE TWO SITE.
SO, UH, UNION PACIFIC BORE, UH, UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD WE HAD, WE IDENTIFIED A AT AND T, UH, UH, CABLE THAT HAD HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF CONNECTIONS INSIDE OF IT.
AND SO WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THAT CABLE UNDER, UH, THE, THE RAILROAD.
AND THANKS TO THE GOOD WORK OF MANY MEN AND WOMEN ON THIS PROJECT, ESPECIALLY JESSE ELIZONDO AND HIS CONNECTION, TIM SANFORD, YVONNE, UM, THIS WAS GONNA COST US A MI $1.1 MILLION TO DO THIS PROJECT, PLUS DELAY SEVERAL DELAYS.
AND SO WE PULLED OUR HEAD, PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, AND THEN WORKING WITH ARCHER WESTERN AND HDR, WE'RE ABLE TO GET APPROVAL OF THAT WITHIN A FEW WEEKS.
I OWE HIM A ROUND OF GOLF AND LAUNCH.
I TOLD HIM THAT YESTERDAY AND OUGHT ABOUT COVER THAT OUGHT ABOUT COVER THE 1.1 MILLION HE SAVED US ON THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, ANYHOW, SO ADDITIONAL THIRD PUMP CHLORINE BUILDING THE MASONRY FENCING, UM, THE MATERIAL AVAILABILITY, THAT'S THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE ASKED ARCHER WESTERN TO MOVE FAST AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
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THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO JUMP IN LINE IN FRONT OF OTHER, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO BUY MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT.AND THERE'S A PREMIUM PRICE TO THAT.
AND SO WE'RE DO, WE'RE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB.
THESE GENTLEMEN ARE JUST, THERE'S, THEY'RE JUST WORKING THEIR BRAINS OUT ON THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, SO THAT, THAT ADDED TO THE COST.
AND THEN UN UNEXPECTED SITE CONDITIONS, LIKE THE AT AND T CONFLICT, UH, PROPERTY ACQUISITION IS SOMEWHAT DELAYED, BUT I THINK KEN, UM, IS WORKING ON THAT NOW.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE PROGRESSING WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN YOU SEE THESE NUMBERS, WE'VE GOT A SIMILAR PROJECT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON VERY SHORTLY, AND THAT'S THE THIRD TAKE POINT FOR THE ARABLE WATER.
WE ESTIMATED THAT PROJECT AT ONE, UH, $41 MILLION.
THE CURRENT PROJECT STATUS, OOPS, CURRENT PROJECT STATUS IS PHASE ONE IS ACTIVELY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND AS WE NEAR COMPLETION OF THAT, WE'RE GONNA BE AS ACTIVE AS WE ARE ON PHASE ONE WITH PHASE TWO.
AND THAT PROJECT, WE CONSIDER THAT ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION ALSO.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A COMPLETION, A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE, SOMEWHERE AROUND 2026.
SO I PUT THIS PRO SLIDE IN THERE JUST SO WE COULD KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE BUDGET AND IT, AND I, WE SIMPLIFIED IT AS BEST WE COULD, BUT HOPEFULLY AS WE GO THROUGH THIS RIGHT QUICK, IT'LL MAKE SENSE.
SO WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS PROJECT OUT WITH $25 MILLION AS PART OF OUR EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, UH, PHASE ONE COSTS.
UH, WE ESTIMATED THAT TO BE AROUND 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THEN THE BALANCE WAS GONNA BE TRANSFERRED TO PHASE TWO OF ANOTHER 12 HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND I'M, I'M ROUNDING OFF THESE NUMBERS, OBVIOUSLY.
SO THAT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO PHASE TWO.
THE ADDITIONAL COSTS FROM GETTING FROM 90% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE SET OF PLANS IS ABOUT $16 MILLION FOR ADDITIONAL COSTS.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD, OR THEY'RE AT, THEY'RE AT A PREMIUM PRICE.
SO ALTOGETHER, THE TOTAL COST OF PHASE TWO IS GONNA BE $28 MILLION.
UH, WE DID ADD A 10% CONTINGENCE, UH, TO THE, TO THAT 28 MILLION.
'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T WANNA COME BACK ASKING FOR MORE MONEY ON PHASE TWO.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA BE PLENTY ENOUGH MONEY TO GET US OVER THE GOAL LINE ON THIS PROJECT.
SO YOU TAKE THE TOTAL OF PHASE TWO, YOU DEDUCT THE TRANSFER OF 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, AND THAT PUTS US AT 31, UH, $0.8 MILLION ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, AND THEN THE, THE TOTAL COST THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU, UH, TAKE ALL THE MONEY AND MOVE THE MONEY AROUND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT A, AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROJECT OF $19.3 MILLION TO COMPLETE PHASE TWO.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, THAT, UH, LET ME GET BACK TO THAT SLIDE, SORRY.
SO, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT YOU CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE CONTRACT WITH ARCHER WESTERN, UM, FOR THE AMOUNT OF $19.3 MILLION WITH A NEW TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT OF 44.319.
AND SO THE, THE FUNDING SOURCE IS GOING TO, IT SAYS ISSUANCE OF CO BONDS, BUT, UH, PERVEZ MADE SURE THAT I GET THIS RIGHT, IT'S ISSUANCE OF NEW CO BONDS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF IS REQUESTING.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT OUR CITY TEAM, WE'VE GOT OUR ENGINEER, AND WE'VE GOT OUR CONTRACTOR.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILOR HARRIS, JUST AN EDUCATION QUESTION FOR ME.
UM, CHLORINE IS A DANGEROUS CHEMICAL AND WE'VE GOT CHLORINE BUILDINGS ON SITE.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS ARE FOR THAT? FOR THE, FOR THE CHLORINE BUILDINGS? I, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE AN ARCHER WESTERN QUESTION.
DO YOU GUYS WANT TO ANSWER THIS? MAYBE MORE SO ON THE DESIGN SIDE OR, OKAY, SO, SO WE GOT IT.
SO, WE'LL, I'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION ON THE SAFETY, BUT YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE THAT ANSWER TO BRIEFLY? I MEAN, BUILDINGS, WE HAVE, UH, OH, COME UP TO THE MIC.
LUKE HILL, ARCHER, WESTERN CONSTRUCTION.
IN THE CORNING BUILDINGS, TYPICALLY WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL, CALL CHLORINE SNIFFERS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CHECKING FOR THAT GAS AND THEY'RE, AND IT HAS AUTOMATED REGULATED VALVES.
SO WHEN IT, WHEN IT SEES THAT SNIFFER, NOT ONLY DOES THAT ALARM GO OFF TO LET STAFF KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THAT GOES TO THE TOP END.
SO THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO, TO THE OPERATIONS BUILDING HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ONE 50, BUT ALSO THE ACTUATED VALVES BEGIN TO SHUT OFF THE CHLORINE SYSTEM.
SO, SO EVERYTHING WILL BE ISOLATED TO THAT.
AND THEN, AND THEN WHEN THAT FAILS IT, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE WIND SOCKS ON SITE, JUST SO IF, IF SOMEONE'S ACTIVELY WORKING AND THERE IS A COR LEAK, YOU, YOU GOTTA GET OUTTA THERE, ALARMS GO OFF, WHERE DO YOU GO? THERE'S A PROCEDURE IN PLACE.
YOU, YOU OBVIOUSLY GO UP, WIND, SO YOU LOOK AT THE SOCK AND, AND GET UP WIND.
SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF THE, THE STANDARDS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE PROTECTION THERE.
YEAH, COUNCIL, THANK YOU, MIKE.
UM, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT FOR BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO THAT WE HAD BUDGETED? BECAUSE I REMEMBER,
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I RECALL THAT WE WERE SPLITTING THIS UP, RIGHT? UM, AND THE 40 WAS THE NUMBER I REMEMBER, BUT JUST, JUST SO I CAN COMPARE IT TO WHAT'S THE NEW NUMBER? YEAH, SO THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS $30 MILLION.THAT'S WHAT WE PUT IN THE BUDGET.
THAT WAS WHAT WE ASKED FOR IN OUR CIP PROGRAM BEFORE WE STARTED THIS PROJECT.
BUT WHEN WE DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS GONNA COME EARLY, WE, WE ASKED FOR 25 AND WE SPLIT THAT BASICALLY IN HALF BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.
SO 14 AND THAT 44 MAY COME DOWN.
IF WHAT JESSE AND TIM WERE ABLE TO DO, WHAT DID THEY DO? I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO, I GET SUSPICIOUS, I GET SUSPICIOUS IF WE SAVED $1.1 MILLION, YOU WANT, SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT GOT BACK TO, OKAY, SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, WHAT GOT THAT PERMIT APPROVED QUICK AS PART OF THE PROJECT, WE DISCOVERED AN AT, RIGHT AT AND T ALIGNED THAT SERVICES BASICALLY THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY.
AT AND T DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS THERE.
AND BEFORE WE COULD RELOCATE IT, WE HAD TO GET A PER A PERMIT FROM, UH, I THINK IT'S UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD.
I HAD TO GET A PERMIT FROM UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD TO GO UNDERNEATH THEIR LOT, THEIR RAIL WITH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE NEW CABLE.
AND SO AT AND T AND UNION PACIFIC WEREN'T SEEING QUITE EYE TO EYE ON HOW URGENT THE PROJECT WAS FOR THE CITY.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE MET WITH, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ELIZONDO.
AND HE, HE KNEW SOMEBODY WHO KNEW SOMEBODY WHO KNEW SOMEBODY, RIGHT.
AND WE WERE ABLE THROUGH THOSE CONNECTIONS TO, UM, TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERN AND OUR URGENCY TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE.
SO THAT DELAY, UH, I THINK ARCHER WESTER PUT IN THERE 1.1 MILLION TO, FOR DELAY ON THAT PROJECT AND TO DO THAT LINE.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH UPRR ON TRYING TO GET THE RAILROAD CROSSING AND KOHLERS, AND THROUGH OUR CONNECTIONS WITH, UH, AIKEN GUMP AND SOME OF THE, THE INDIVIDUALS THEY CONNECT US TO WITH UPR MM-HMM.
THESE ARE VERY LARGE, COMPLICATED ORGANIZATIONS TO GETTING TO SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY CAN MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD QUICKLY.
AND THEN FINDING THE RIGHT PERSON AT AT T TO DO THAT IS DIFFICULT.
AND SO JESSE WAS ABLE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT, FIND THE RIGHT PERSON, AND, AND MOVE THAT FORWARD QUICKLY.
SPEED WAS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL AS COST, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE IT COULD HAPPEN.
AND I WILL SAY, MIKE, THAT EVERYONE HAS SEEN THE BIG WATER STORAGE TANK NOW ON 1626.
SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS AT WORK, BUILDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THANK YOU.
THE FUTURE CITY THAT WE'RE BUILDING.
UH, IT WAS ABOUT EVERYONE SAID WAS ASKING WHAT WAS BEING BUILT THERE.
NOW THEY SEE IT'S A BIG STORAGE TANK.
AND, AND THAT, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT, UH, GROUND STORAGE TANK IS GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS ON OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE HAVING THAT STORED, UH, THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT HELLS HELPS US PEAK SHAVE SOME OF THESE, UH, WATER PROJECTS, SMALLER WATER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND SO THE HOLD UP ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAS BEEN MAXIMUM DAILY DEMAND OR, OR, UM, PEAK, PEAK DAILY DEMAND.
AND BY HAVING THAT THREE AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS AVAILABLE TO US WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR LIKE THESE LITTLE PROJECTS, THESE LITTLE 10, 20,000 GALLON PER DAY PROJECTS.
OR YOU WANNA KEEP GOING? 29 OR 28? I'M SORRY.
SO MIKE AND I ARE SHARING THESE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT, UM, SOLICITATION ITEMS, THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME FROM ME.
SO THIS ONE IS, UM, FOR THE CR 1 58 SITE, WHICH WAS DONATED TO THE CITY BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, OUR DEVELOP THE DEVELOPER ENGAGED PLUMBER ASSOCIATES ON IN FEBRUARY OF 2022 TO DETERMINE THAT THE LOCATION OF THIS SITE, WHICH IS A PRELIMINARY LAYOUT AND ELEVATION AND SITE OF, UH, SIZE OF THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK, THE THE SITE IS ALSO THE SECOND TANK POINT, TAKE POINT FOR ARAWA AND WATER DELIVERY IS EXPECTED, UH, HERE IN FEBRUARY OF 2025 TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS TO MEET THE ARAWA DELIVERY TIME.
THE CITY SELECTED P DAWSON, UM, IN 2023 TO PROVIDE A SECOND PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT AND A 30% DESIGN FOR THE ELEVATED WATER STORAGE TANK, THE GROUND STORAGE TANK, AND ASSOCIATED PUMP STATION AND APARTMENTS, A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN WAS COMPLETED IN MAY OF 2024.
UH, THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, ARPA FUNDING WAS PROVIDED TO GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES TO ADDRESS INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
UH, ARPA IS A FEDERALLY FUNDED GRANT THAT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED PROFESSIONALLY TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
UM, THIS ELEVATED, UH, AND GROUND STORAGE TANK, STORAGE, WATER TANK AND PUMP STATION WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WATER TO THE KYLE WATER SYSTEM FROM THE ALLIANCE REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY TANK.
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P DAWSON WAS ASKED OR WAS TASKED WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS WATER STORAGE TANK AND PUMP STATION, AND THE PROJECT WAS ADVERTISED IN SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2024.WE RECEIVED FOUR BIDS ON OCTOBER 9TH FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, TOTAL BIDS RANGE FROM 14.9 MILLION TO 19.2 MILLION.
WITH PROTA INC BEING THE LOWEST BIDDER.
UH, THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT WILL FUND 7.7 MILLION OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK, GROUND STORAGE TANK, AND PUMP STATION.
AND ASSOCIATED PERS UH, PERS IS SHOWN ON, ON THE IMAGE THERE.
UH, AND THIS WILL INCLUDE, UH, A 10% CONTRACT CONTINGENCY.
UH, UM, SO WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, UH, TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT OR TO DENY APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? OKAY.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE HOOVER DRIVE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK.
THIS ONE'S STILL MINE, OR DO YOU WANNA DO IT? OKAY, THERE YOU GO.
SO, UM, THE HOOVER DRIVE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK, UH, LOCATED.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE ANTHEM WATER TOWER, UM, FOR, FOR SAFE, UH, SAKE OF CONVERSATION HERE, BUT IT'S LOCATED, OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP THE LOCATION OF THE SITE RIGHT THERE AT THE ANTHEM, UH, CORNER.
SO IN JULY, 2020, THIS IS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT WONKY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT IN 2020, THE CITY OF KYLE ENTERED INTO, UH, ENTERED INTO, UM, UM, FACILITY SERVICE FINANCING AND CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT.
THE AGREEMENT CON, UH, CONTEMPLATED THE COST SHARING AND WATER SYSTEM FACILITIES THAT WOULD SERVE SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS.
IN ADDITION TO ACTING ON ITS OWN BEHALF AS A UTILITY PROVIDER, THE CITY OF KYLE ENTERED INTO THIS AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE BLANCO RIVER, UM, RANCH PROPERTIES AND THE PLUM CREEK NORTH TRACT, WHICH IS KNOWN AS LAMAR FOR THE, PER THE AGREEMENT.
UM, BLANCO RIVER, UH, RANCH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STATES AN ESTIMATE FOR THE ANTHEM ELEVATED STORAGE TANK AT $1.56 MILLION BRR WILL PAY OR WILL PARTICIPATE UP TO A MAXIMUM OF $350,000.
UM, BRR REMAINING COSTS PARTICIPATION OF 1.12 MILLION FOLLOWED, UM, A $350,000 MAXIMUM CONTRIBUTION.
AS STATED IN THE AGREEMENT, THE CITY INTENDS TO RECOVER THIS COST DURING THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, BRR AND TOLL BROTHERS PHASE ONE CONNECTIONS, UH, OF APPROXIMATELY $1.68 MILLION IN RETURNED IMPACT FEES ON THE PROJECT.
LENAR COST PARTICIPATION WAS $981 AND NINE, LET'S JUST SAY 981 OR $82,000.
UH, THE CITY WILL PAY ON BEHALF OF LENAR, UH, PER THE AGREEMENT.
CITY STAFF IS WORKING WITH THE CO FUND FOR, UH, TWO OTHER LOTS FOR PRO RATA SHARE OF THE COST PARTICIPATION.
UH, THE COST WILL NEED TO BE COVERED IN THE INTERIM TO KEEP THE PROJECT ON SCHEDULE.
THE CO FUND LOTS ONE AND TWO WITH 10% CONTINGENCY, 77,000, AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEES COMING FROM THE LE NAR DEVELOPMENT.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL COVER THE REMAINING COSTS THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING OUT TONIGHT OR PLAYING FOR TONIGHT.
SO YOU GOT THE, THE BREAKDOWN IS THE SE, EXCUSE ME, THE 77,000 FOR THE, THE TWO COV LOTS.
THE KYLE CONTRIBUTION FOR LENAR IS 981,000.
AND WE, THAT'S ONE OF THE PRICE.
OUR PROJECTS THAT WE ANTICIPATE GETTING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UM, IMPACT FEES RETURNED TO US ON THAT ONE.
AND THE KYLE CONTRIBUTION TO, UH, BLANCO RIVER RANCH IS $1.2 MILLION, WHICH WE ANTICIPATED GETTING, UH, $1.68 MILLION RETURNED AND IMPACT FEES ON THAT.
UH, SO THAT'S NOT SHOWN IN THIS, BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING THOSE COSTS TO OFFSET THE $2.18 MILLION THAT, UH, WE'RE REQUIRING COUNSEL APPROVAL FOR TONIGHT.
SO JULY, 2020, UH, CITY OF KYLE ENTERED INTO, OR I'M GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
NO WAIT, JULY, 2020, THE CITY OF KYLE ENTERED INTO THE FARM, UH, FM ONE 50 FACILITY SERVICE FINANCING AGREEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT.
IN JANUARY TWO, UH, SECOND 2024, KYLE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED 1.5, UH, 1.055 MILLION TO OVERSIGHT, OVERSEE THE ELEVATED STORAGE
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TANK AND INTERIOR CONCRETE FLOORS AGREEMENT EXPLICITLY STATES KYLE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.THE FUNDING SOURCE IS GONNA BE THE WATER IMPACT FEE FUND.
UH, RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY'S COST PARTICIPATION OF APPROXIMATELY 2.1, UH, 8 MILLION.
SO, ANY QUESTION? SO YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BRR TAKE.
UM, SO THE LAST ONE IS, UH, CONTRACT WITH FOR OUR NON POTABLE WATER PUMP STATION CONSTRUCTION WITH TACK NECK.
UM, OUR EXISTING NON POTABLE WATER PUMP STATION WILL BE IMPROVED TO PROVIDE RELIABILITY AND RESILIENCY AND TO MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR THE NEXT EXPANSION OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, STV WAS TASKED WITH THE DESIGN OF THE NON POTABLE WATER PUMP STATION PROJECT, AND THE PROJECT INCLUDES A SKID MOUNTED NON POTABLE WATER PUMP STATION.
AND CAN I CHANGE THAT? OF COURSE.
SO, UM, I'M SORRY, ROSIE, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THIS IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S NO LONGER GONNA BE A SKID MOUNTED, UH, NON-POTABLE WATER PUMP STATION.
WE'VE CHANGED THAT TO A NON-POTABLE, A VERTICAL NON-POTABLE, PERMANENTLY AFFIXED, UH, WATER PUMP STATION.
UM, WHAT HE JUST SAID, UM,
UM, SO SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT, UH, WILL BE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PUMP STATION IN ASSOCIATED APARTMENTS.
WE ARE INCLUDING A 10% CONTRACT CONTINGENCY ON THIS.
UM, WE ISSUED THIS IN INVITATION FOR BIDS, UH, SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2024, AND IT CLOSED ON SEPTEMBER 23RD.
UH, WE RECEIVED SIX BIDS, UH, RANGING FROM 3.3 MILLION UP TO 4.2 MILLION WITH EC BEING THE LOWEST QUALIFIED BIDDER BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS PUBLISHED IN THE SOLICITATION.
AFTER REVIEW OF THE BIDDER'S EXPERIENCE INFORMATION, THE CITY HAS CHOSEN TO AWARD THE PROJECT TO NIC DUE TO THEIR EXPERIENCE BEING, UH, THE MOST COMPARABLE TO THE NATURE AND SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, SO, UH, TWO OPTIONS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE CONTRACT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UH, NOTING THAT WITH THE APPROVAL WE'LL BE DESIGNATING THE, THE APPARENT LOW BIDDER, UM, WHICH WAS CIV CON, I BELIEVE, AS NON-RESPONSIVE OR NON-RESPONSIBLE.
ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM? COUNCILOR PARSLEY? NO, I DON'T.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 27 THROUGH 32ND.
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TIM, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS 27 THROUGH 30.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YES, MA'AM.
MAYOR PRO, TIM, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU MIKE AND ROSIE, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
BUT ALSO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THESE ELEVATED TANKS COMING TO FRUITION NEXT YEAR WHEN THE FIRST LINE IS RUNNING FROM ARAWA.
THAT'S A 50 YEAR LINE THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO OUR CITY TO HELP SUSTAIN OUR CITY.
AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, HOPEFULLY THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS ANOTHER 50 YEAR LINE, THE THIRD ONE WILL BE ANOTHER 50.
BUT I THINK WITH A MI COMING ONLINE IS GONNA BE THE GAME CHANGER WHERE WE TURN THESE INTO A 75 YEAR, UH, LINES INSTEAD OF 50 YEAR LINES.
AND THE REASON WHY WE CAN DO GREAT WATER CONSERVATION, WE CAN EDUCATE AND PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT WHAT WATER USAGE IN REAL TIME, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GONNA BENEFIT OUR CITY.
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT SEEING THESE TANKS COMING FORWARD AND SEEING OUR WATER ISSUES BEING A LITTLE BIT OF A THING OF THE PAST.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE STILL HAVE TO CONSERVE.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR TOBIAS, IF I COULD JUST KIND OF, UH, ADD ON A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, THIS PAST OCTOBER I WENT TO TML AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER PARSLEY AND I, UH, ACTUALLY WERE VISITING AND, AND WITH OTHER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM OTHER CITIES.
AND JUST HEARING SOME OF THEIR STORIES THAT SOME OF THESE CITIES ARE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT DEVELOPING ANY KIND OF WATER STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE FIGHTING DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE FIGHTING, UM, UH, THE CONSERVATION PART OF IT ALL.
IT'S LIKE THEY DON'T WANT IT IN THEIR CITY, AND THEY'RE FINDING OUT NOW THEY'RE GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND.
UM, WHICH WAS VERY SHOCKING TO ME.
AND I'M SURE DANIELLE AND I WERE, WERE HEARING SOME OF THESE, THESE STORIES.
UM, AND, AND THESE WERE THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE DOING, AND COUNCIL WAS DOING THEIR BEST TO TRY TO EDUCATE AND SO FORTH, BUT THEY WERE JUST SHOOTING THEM DOWN.
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AND YOU ALSO HAD SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SO FORTH.THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE THEY'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING CLOSE TO THIS AT ALL.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S THE BIG CITY'S PROBLEMS AND SO FORTH, AND THEY'RE NOT REALIZING THAT IT'S GONNA EVENTUALLY COME KNOCKING ON THEIR DOOR.
SO, SO TO ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE SEE THESE BIG NUMBERS HERE AND I KNOW IT, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE SEEING ALL THIS, UH, WATER TOWERS BEING DEVELOPED.
YOU'VE GOT PIPES THAT ARE LAYING ALL OVER THE CITY.
WE GOTTA LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY BEING SERIOUS ABOUT OUR WATER SITUATION.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING AHEAD.
I KNOW IT'S A STRAIN THAT, GO LOOK AT MY YARD, I'LL LOOK OVER THERE.
I'LL F*****G GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS.
I MEAN, IT'S DEAD GRASS, BUT I KNOW THAT IN, IN DUE TIME, THAT, UH, ONCE WE GET OUR WATER SUPPLY UP AND GOING AGAIN, UH, THIS IS PART OF WHAT THIS SMALL LITTLE TOWN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GROWING UP.
AND WE'VE JUST GOTTA FACE THESE CHALLENGES, UH, AHEAD.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY, REALLY DOING YOUR BEST TO TRY TO GET, UH, US THE WATER AND AND SUPPLY WE NEED FOR THE GROWING CITY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING.
AND WE, WE WILL BE 80,000 BEFORE WE KNOW IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
AND THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES, I THINK RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND I KNOW THE DOLLAR IS HIGH, BUT SOME OTHER CITIES, THEY GOT EVEN HIGHER, RIGHT? AND SO IT, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT WE'RE BEING VERY PROACTIVE IN THAT MEASURE ON THAT END, SIR.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALL MOTION CARRIES.
SEVEN TO ZERO IS, UH, UH, AGENDA ITEM 27 IS ACTUALLY FIRST READING.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT BEING FINALLY PASSED? SEEING NONE, THAT ITEM IS FINALLY PASSED.
[31) Consider approval of a resolution adopting criteria for use in the redistricting process and provide feedback on example Plan A provided by Bickerstaff Heath Delgado Acosta LLP.]
AGENDA ITEM 31.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO TEMAN COUNCIL, UM, AMY REED, CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD.
SO WE ARE HERE TO TODAY ON THIS ITEM TO TALK ABOUT, UH, REALLY TWO THINGS.
FIRST, WE'RE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION THAT ADOPTS CRITERIA TO BE USED IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.
THESE CRITERIA TALK ABOUT FOCUSING ON CENSUS BLOCK DATA AND VOTER PRECINCTS, AND NOT WANTING TO DIVIDE THEM BECAUSE IT GETS HARDER TO, TO ORGANIZE MAPS WHEN YOU DO THAT.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS MR. CAPUTO IS GOING TO PRESENT HIS EXAMPLE PLAN A THAT HE HAS PUT TOGETHER THAT WOULD BE A COMPLIANT REDISTRICTING PLAN IN HIS OPINION.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS OVER TO MR. KABI CAPUTO FROM BICKER STAFF.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, UH, KABI CAPUTO WITH THE BICKER STAFF LAW FIRM.
UM, HERE TO TALK ABOUT EXAMPLE, PLAN A.
UM, IT IS JUST US MOVING BLOCKS AROUND TO GET THE NUMBERS RIGHT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT IT REALLY MAKES THE NUMBERS LOOK REALLY GOOD.
UM, BUT IT MAY OR MAY NOT ACTUALLY WORK FOR YOU.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT IS YOU AND THE COMMUNITY NEED TO HAVE FEEDBACK ON THE PLANS.
AND, UM, SO I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE GOT.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING EXAMPLE PLAN A.
IT IS, UH, REALLY JUST TWO THINGS THAT HAD TO MOVE.
DOES THIS HAVE A LASER POINTER AROUND IT? YEAH.
UH, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
UM, THE TWO THINGS THAT CHANGED WERE, UH, PART OF DISTRICT, UH, SIX PUSHED OVER INTO DISTRICT.
SO DISTRICT SIX PUSHED OVER INTO THAT AREA.
UM, WE JUST MOVED IT INTO FOUR AND TOOK IT OUTTA SIX.
THAT MOVED SOMEWHERE AROUND 2,400 PEOPLE.
UM, AND THEN DOWN IN THE YELLOW AREA IN TOWN, UM, BETWEEN, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ZOOM IN ON THAT ANYWHERE? YEAH, THERE'S A BETTER MAP HERE.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST MAP TO LOOK AT.
SO WHAT MOVED HERE WAS BASICALLY FROM PLUM CREEK OVER TO, UH, MASON WOOD, UH, AND BASICALLY FROM I 35 DOWN TO LAYMAN, UH, MOVES OUT OF DISTRICT TWO AND INTO DISTRICT SIX.
SO WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH, JUST TO REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION, IS THAT, UM, WE HAD DISTRICT TWO WAS WAY TOO BIG.
UH, DISTRICT FOUR WAS SMALL AND DISTRICT SIX WAS ACTUALLY ALMOST PERFECT.
UM, BY MOVING THESE TWO BLOCKS, BASICALLY THESE TWO SECTIONS OF TOWN, UM, ONE INTO FOUR AND ONE INTO SIX, UH, WE END UP WITH A PLAN THAT, LET'S GET TO THE NUMBERS.
UM, IS WITHIN THE 10% OVERALL DEVIATION, YOU SEE WE'RE AT 8.74%.
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DISTRICT TWO IS A LITTLE BIT UNDERSIZED, ABOUT 350 PEOPLE.UH, UNDERSIZED DISTRICT FOUR IS NOW OVERSIZED.
SO DISTRICT FOUR WENT FROM HAVING TOO FEW PEOPLE TO HAVING MORE PEOPLE THAN THE IDEAL DISTRICT SIZE.
AND DISTRICT SIX IS ALSO UNDERSIZED BY, UM, ABOUT 150 PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO WE'RE WITHIN BALANCE, UH, THE NUMBERS ALL WORK FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.
WE DID NOT CHANGE, YOU HAD TWO HISPANIC MAJORITY DISTRICTS IN TOTAL POPULATION.
UH, YOU STILL HAVE THAT HERE, UH, BEING TWO AND SIX.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, HISPANIC, UH, OR THE VOTING AGE POPULATION BROKEN OUT BY ETHNICITY, YOU SEE THE DISTRICT TWO IS WITHIN 0.08% OF THE HISPANIC POPULATION.
IT HAD A VOTING AGE POPULATION, SO EFFECTIVELY NO CHANGE.
UM, DISTRICT FOUR ACTUALLY WENT UP A LITTLE BIT, UH, SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF, HOLD ON, I GOTTA MAP HERE.
SOMETHING ABOUT ONE POINT A HALF PERCENT, UH, MORE HISPANIC VOTING AGE POPULATION AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL POPULATION.
AND THEN DISTRICT SIX MOVED FROM 49 POINT, UH, EIGHT SOMETHING, 49.86 TO 50.83.
SO IT WENT UP BY ALMOST EXACTLY 1%.
SO WE END UP WITH TWO, UH, DISTRICTS THAT ARE HISPANIC, MAJORITY VOTING AGE POPULATION UNDER THIS FAIRLY SIMPLE SHIFT AROUND.
SO, UM, AS WE LIKE TO SAY, THERE'S A A MILLION WAYS TO DO THIS ONCE WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, START MOVING BLOCKS AROUND.
UM, BUT THIS DESIGN GENERALLY COMPLIES WITH THE CRITERIA THAT WE'D SET OUT.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST THE, THE ORIGINAL CENSUS MAP.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE SIX WENT OVER INTO THE WEST SIDE INTO FOUR, UM, AND TWO, THE BORDER BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR WAS AT PLUM CREEK.
SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE, THE MORE DETAILED MAP WE HAVE, WHICH IS REALLY THIS ONE HERE.
UM, SO WE'VE KEPT ALL THE, UH, WE HAVE 'EM BROKEN UP ANY CENSUS BLOCKS.
UH, YOU DO HAVE SOME VERY ODD CENSUS BLOCKS DOWN IN DISTRICT TWO, UM, OVER THERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
UH, IF WE GET INTO CHANGING THINGS AROUND FROM HERE, UH, IT'LL BE, WE WILL SHOW YOU WHEN WE, WE CAN BRING THE SOFTWARE DOWN HERE.
UH, IT'S, THAT'S, IT GOES ON THE SCREEN.
MY GIS PERSON IS AT HER, HER HOUSE AND JUST MANEUVERS THE MAP AROUND.
UM, BUT WE CAN SHOW YOU HOW THERE'S REALLY ODD SHAPE BLOCKS OVER THERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE MOVING AROUND.
SO IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE.
UM, AND I WILL POINT OUT, THERE'S A LITTLE AREA IN THE MIDDLE THERE, UM, THAT, UH, IS SORT OF, I THINK IT'S AN AREA THAT YOU'RE EITHER ANNEXING OR HAVE ALREADY RECENTLY ANNEXED OR WILL BE ANNEXING.
UM, AND WE SORT OF ARBITRARILY ASSIGNED IT TO, UH, DISTRICT, UH, TWO.
APPARENTLY THERE'S NO POPULATION IN THERE RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK IT'S EXPECTED TO BE SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE POPULATION.
BUT THOSE ARE, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT YOUR ZONING IN YOUR CITY THAN WE DO.
THE POPULATION BALANCED OUT, DIDN'T CHANGE THE, UH, ETHNIC BALANCE AT ALL.
AND, UH, YOU'RE WITHIN THE 10%, UH, LIMIT, UH, FOR TOTAL POPULATION DEVIATION.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, TALK ABOUT IT, UH, SEE WHAT YOU ALL THINK.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR HARRIS TWO.
UM, THIS IS FROM THE 2020 CENSUS.
WE'RE STILL USING THE 2020 CENSUS DATA BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, DATA SETS WE HAVE THAT GIVES US A VOTING AGE, POPULATION, AND ETHNICITY AND RACIAL BREAKDOWN.
SO THIS DOES NOT CONSIDER THE MASSIVE GROWTH WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT.
NOW, WHAT WE COULD DO, AND, AND, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING IF YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, WE COULD HAVE YOUR, UH, STAFF GIVE US YOUR UTILITY MAP, UM, THAT SHOWS ALL THE HOUSES, UH, CONNECTED TO YOUR UTILITY SYSTEM.
AND WE COULD USE THAT AS TO CALCULATE TOTAL POPULATION BASED ON YOUR ASSUMPTIONS AND YOUR SYSTEM MODEL OF PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD.
UM, AND WE COULD CHECK THAT AGAINST WHAT'S HERE TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IS IT WILDLY OUT OF BALANCE? LIKE IF, IF THERE'S BEEN A TON OF GROWTH OVER IN FOUR, UH, WE MAY HAVE PUT TOO MANY PEOPLE INTO FOUR USING THE 2020 CENSUS DATA.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S BEEN GROWTH IN SIX AND TWO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE COULD SEE THAT TOO.
UM, BUT THAT'S AN EXERCISE THAT DOESN'T GET US THE ABILITY TO DRAW FROM THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTING AGE POPULATION OR THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC BREAKOUT.
UM, SO IT, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE AND WOULD SORT OF GIVE US A PREVIEW OF, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE 2030 CENSUS, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR OUTTA WHACK YOU ARE AT THIS POINT.
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UM, BUT YOU'RE GROWING, YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW.UM, THE ASSUMPTION I HAVE IS YOU WILL BE REDRAWING YOUR BOUNDARIES, UM, IN 2030 BECAUSE YOU JUST HAD SO MUCH GROWTH.
I, I THINK WHAT THE EXERCISE MR. CAPUTO HAS LAID OUT WOULD DO WOULD BE TO TELL US, HEY, IF DISTRICT FOUR IS GROWING A LOT AND DISTRICT SIX ISN'T GROWING AS MUCH, THEN WE NEED TO OVERSIZE DISTRICT SIX.
AND UNDERSIZE DISTRICT FOUR, SO THAT WE CAN KINDA GROWTH PROOF OURSELF A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO, LIKE HE SAID, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA O ON THE UTILITY MAP TO KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY DRAW THE BOUNDARIES USING CENSUS DATA.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF A, A CHECK AND A WAY TO HELP US DECIDE HOW TO OVERBALANCE AND HOW TO UNDER BALANCE IT.
IT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US SOME IDEA OF THAT.
UH, 'CAUSE WE, BETWEEN 2020 AND 2030, THE POPULATION IS GOING TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.
IT ALREADY HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.
LOTS AND LOTS OF NEW HOMES THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED ON THESE MAPS, THEY MAY BE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED.
THEY MIGHT WELL BE, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW.
UM, AND IT'S PROBABLY WORTH DOING THAT EXERCISE JUST TO GET THAT CHECK.
IT WOULD JUST BE GETTING SOME DATA OVER TO, TO HIM AND HIS JS PEOPLE.
WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY RECENTLY DONE A COUPLE OF, UH, ESPECIALLY UTILITY DISTRICTS AND FOR THEM, WE USE THEIR SYSTEM MODELS, UM, TO DO THIS CALCULATION.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH THAT MORE DIFFICULT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH YOU.
THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WAS, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, ALSO LOOKING AT HAVING FOUR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS.
SO THE ITEM THAT'S ON TODAY IS JUST TO APPROVE THE CRITERIA TO DRAW THE MAPS FOR THE THREE DISTRICTS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE UNDER OUR CHARTER RIGHT NOW.
WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY, IF DURING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WE WANT TO AMEND THIS CONTRACT, WE COULD DO THAT.
OR IF AFTER THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WE WANNA AMEND THIS CONTRACT, WE COULD DO THAT OR BRING HIM BACK.
I THINK KABY HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE AND HIS STAFF ARE ABLE TO DRAW US A FOUR DISTRICT MAP, BUT IT'S PREMATURE AT THIS TIME.
WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS JUST LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA FOR DRAWING MAPS.
DOES, UH, BRIAN, UH, FOR US TO, UH, FOR THE CITY TO ALLOW THEM TO TAP INTO OUR SYSTEMS, TO GENER TO LOOK AT POPULATION, DOES THAT REQUIRE ACTION FROM US? UH, NO.
WE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET 'EM THAT DATA.
THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS TO TO, TO LOOK AT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, BUT WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNDER OUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANY KIND OF ADJUSTMENT AT THIS POINT TO DO THAT EXERCISE.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE
SO IT, NO, IT'S GIVES A TRUE MEASURE.
IT'S JUST TO CHECK TO SEE IF WE GREW ALL IN ONE AREA.
IF WE GREW KIND OF EVENLY, I THINK A LOT OF US SUSPECT WE'RE GROWING PRETTY EVENLY.
WE'RE GOING KIND OF EVERYWHERE, BUT WE COULD VERIFY THAT.
WE COULD SEE DID WE GROW, DID WE GET 500 EXTRA HOMES IN DISTRICT FOUR AND ONLY 200 EXTRA HOMES IN DISTRICT TWO TWO? AND IF SO, DO WE NEED TO ADJUST BASED ON THAT? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN PLAY WITHIN THAT 10% DEVIATION AS WE'VE DONE HERE.
WE KIND OF OVERLOADED FOUR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN UNDER UNDERPOPULATED TWO AND SIX, AND WE COULD SHIFT THAT AROUND, UH, FAIRLY EASILY, UH, IT SEEMS. YEP.
UH, DID YOU CHECK AND SEE WHERE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS LIVED? DID YOU MAKE SURE YOU DIDN'T? WE DID NOT.
IT'S NOT ON THIS MAP, BUT WE DID NOT MOVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND YOU KNOW, YOU ARE PLOTTED ON OUR MAPS BECAUSE IT LOOKS REALLY CLOSE TO MY HOUSE.
THAT ROBERT, I, I WASN'T GONNA PICK ON ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, BUT IT SOUNDS GOOD.
I WAS LIKE, ONE OF YOU IS AT THE VERY EDGE OF YOUR, OF YOUR DISTRICT.
UM, I, I WOULD SAY I, I THINK THE LOGIC BEHIND, UM, LIKE IF YOU ASSUME THAT IN 2020 OR WHEN DID WE DO THIS? UH, THE LAST REDISTRICTING, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR IT WAS YOU DID IN 2011? 2011.
SO IF YOU ASSUME IN 2011 THAT THEY MADE THEM AS CLOSE TO EQUAL AS THEY WE COULD, AS SUPPOSED TO, YEAH.
AND THEN DISTRICT TWO OBVIOUSLY GREW MORE.
MAYBE DISTRICT FOUR GREW IN DENSER, BUT IN TERMS OF GEOGRAPHIC AREA POPULATION, DISTRICT TWO GREW MORE.
MAKING IT UNDER, IF YOU, YOU WOULD ASSUME DISTRICT TWO PROBABLY GONNA KEEP GROWING THE MOST.
SO PUTTING IT ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE, A FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS LOWER MEANS THAT IT'S LIKE, I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
YOU'VE ERRED ON THE OTHER SIDE TO BUY US MORE TIME.
IT, IT'S, WE CAN'T DO A LOT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SMALL, BUT IT, WE DID WHAT WE COULD, WE COULD PLAY WITH THAT SOME MORE IF THAT WAS REALLY, AGAIN, THIS CHECK OF YOUR UTILITY GROWTH, UH, SHOWING A PROXY FOR TOTAL POPULATION GROWTH WOULD PROBABLY, UM, GIVE US A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO IN THAT AREA.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS IN 2021.
OUR NEXT ONE SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP AS 2031.
SO THE CENSUS DIDN'T COME OUT UNTIL 2021.
MOST CITIES WERE DOING THIS IN 2022.
BECAUSE THE DATA, THE DATA WAS DELAYED DUE TO COVID.
I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE STILL BEHIND BECAUSE WE ARE IN 2031.
THIS IS TRYING TO GET YOU CAUGHT UP TO WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN BY THE END OF 2022.
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YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.SO I THINK AT, AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO IS GET MR. CAPUTO THAT DATA ON THE UTILITIES SO HE CAN, CAN RECONFIGURE BASED ON THAT.
BUT WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TODAY IS TO PROVE THAT RESOLUTION.
AND WHAT THAT RESOLUTION DOES IS CREATE CRITERIA FOR HOW HE'S GONNA DRAW THE MAP AND HOW IF SAY WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO WANNA PROVIDE MAPS OR COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STAFF WHO WANNA PROVIDE MAPS, THIS IS HOW THAT WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO DRAW THE MAPS.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT COMPLIANT WITH THIS CRITERIA, THEY WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED TRUE.
AND, AND WHEN I TOOK A SESSION LAST MONTH ON THE POPULATION, IT WAS PRETTY STAGGERING TO SEE HOW SOME OF THE NUMBERS WERE BACK IN 2019.
UH, I THINK, WHAT WAS IT, 989 PEOPLE WERE MOVING TO TEXAS IN 2017.
18, THEN NOW WE'RE AT ONE 1200 PER DAY.
AND SO IT RAISES AGAIN THE QUESTION OF HOW ACCURATE OUR NUMBERS REALLY ARE, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A PANDEMIC.
SO SOME NUMBERS MAY BE OFF, BUT IT LOOKS FROM HERE, LIKE WHAT WE'RE SAYING THOUGH, DISTRICT FOUR LOOKS BIGGER, THE HOUSING STRUCTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT VERSUS OVER THERE IN DISTRICT TWO WHERE EVERYTHING WAS EXPLODING LIKE WATER LEAF AND YOU HAD OTHER SUBDIVISIONS IN THAT AREA.
WHICH ADDED THOSE ADDITIONAL HOMES TIMES THREE TIMES FAMILIES A PIECE.
SO IT, IT'S INTERESTING TO HEAR THAT.
'CAUSE IN THAT SESSION THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE STATE AND A LOT OF OTHER, UH, STATES ARE DOING IS THEY'RE GEARING UP FOR THE 2030 COUNT.
AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH ACCURATE NUMBERS BECAUSE OF COVID AND WE ARE BEHIND BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO IT'D BE REAL INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE'RE AT BECAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY SAY THAT WE MAY BE PUSHING 60,000 BY NOW, BUT WE MAY BE AT 68 FOR ALL WE KNOW HERE AND REALISTICALLY IN REAL TIME KYLE, UH, WITH JUST THE GROWTH AND OF COURSE DEPARTMENTS MOVING AROUND AND SO FORTH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MOTIONS TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE AGENDA.
MOTION BY COUNCILOR TOBI, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 31.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[32) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute an Agreement Regarding Water Service Area Transfer with Texas Water Utilities, L.P. for service of the Newquest development. Public Hearing ]
MUCH.NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 32.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT REGARDING WATER SERVICE AREA TRANSFER WITH TEXAS WATER UTILITIES LP FOR SERVICE OF THE NEW QUEST DEVELOPMENT.
MIKE MURPHY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE RARE PROJECTS THAT STARTED OFF AS A HARD NO WITH THE CITY.
UH, WHEN NEWQUEST CAME TO US WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD THE WATER.
SO WITH BRIAN'S CITY MANAGER'S LEADERSHIP WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S LEADERSHIP, WITH AMBER'S LEADERSHIP ON THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SIDE AND HAVING A DEVELOPER THAT WAS WILLING TO WORK WITH US, WE TURNED A HARD NO INTO A MAYBE.
AND AS WE CONTINUED TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, WE TURNED THAT MAYBE INTO A YES.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE, THE WORK, UH, COUNCILMAN TOBIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT WAS A NO, IT WAS A NO-GO PROJECT ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF WATER AND WE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO WE'RE ASKING YOU NOT TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN AGREEMENT REGARDING WATER SERVICE AREA TRANSFER.
AND, UH, WE'VE GOT ANDREW ALVIS HERE WITH, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPER WITH NEWQUEST DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
SO THE, UH, SO THE CITY ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE NEWQUEST DEVELOPMENT IN DECEMBER OF 23.
NEWQUEST DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED IN THE, UH, WATER CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY OF THE CCN, WHICH IS A TERM YOU, YOU HEAR, UH, ALL THE TIME IN THE WATER CIRCLES.
BUT, UH, SO IT BELONGS TO TEXAS WATER UTILITIES, TEXAS WATER UTILITIES HAD AN ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH NEWQUEST, BUT UM, BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE WATER NECESSARY FOR THIS.
AND SO THIS PROJECT WAS SORT OF DEAD IN, IN LACK OF A, NO PUN INTENDED, WAS SORT OF DEAD IN THE WATER AT THAT TIME.
SO NEWQUEST APPROACHED THE CITY, UH, ASKING US IF WE COULD PROVIDE WATER SERVICE.
WE SAID, NO, IT'S TOO MUCH WATER.
BUT THEN, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CITY MANAGER AND WITH THE WILLINGNESS OF THE DEVELOPER TO WORK WITH US, THIS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS NOW IS GONNA COME FRUITION.
UM, SO NEWQUEST DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED JUST OFF OF I 35 NEAR KOHLERS CROSSING AND BEBE ROAD.
THIS IS A MIX MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BRING RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS TO THE CITY OF KYLE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE, HOW IT'S ALL BROKEN OUT THERE AND YOU
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CAN SEE WHY THIS PROJECT IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.SO WATER KS HAS WORKED WITH STV, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR VERY BEST ENGINEER FIRMS THAT, UH, DOES OUR MODELING FOR US AND THEY'RE DOING MANY OTHER PROJECTS FOR US.
ALSO, UH, THE CITY'S CONSULTANT FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN TO DETERMINE IF THE CITY HAS ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO PROVIDE WATER SERVICE TO THE AREA.
AND BASED ON AVAILABLE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE DEMAND AND CAPACITY, THE CITY CAN.
NOW, UH, WE HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO SERVE THIS PROJECT.
AND, AND THE WAY WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER, UH, IS WE'RE GOING TO DO A PHASED PROJECT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE GOT WATER COMING AND WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ON HAND.
SO WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO PHASE THEIR DEVELOPMENT ACCORDINGLY, WE'RE ABLE TO SAY YES TO THE DEVELOPER AND WE CAN MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
SO, UH, THE TEXAS WATER CODE SECTION 13 2 4, UH, 2 48 ALLOWS FOR AGREEMENTS THAT TRANSFER PORTIONS OF A CCN TO ANOTHER RETAIL PUBLIC UTILITY PROVIDER.
UPON APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION, A PUBLIC HEARING IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED, UH, IS REQUIRED TODAY.
AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, THE CITY AND TW HAVE BOTH AGREED TO TERMS OF THE CCN AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IF YOU NEED MORE DETAILS, SHE CAN GO INTO THAT.
UM, BUT WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CCN TRANSFER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN WORKED ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW AND, UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHY THE TWU IS NOW BACKING OFF.
SO, UM, THE ASK FOR THIS PROJECT WAS, UM, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS, BUT THEY'RE OUTSIDE THEIR EXISTING PERMIT AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL PROJECTS WITHOUT ADDITIONAL WATER.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WORKED WITH THEM ON THE OTHER PROJECT THAT WE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.
THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, WATER OR, UM, ON THAT PROJECT WITHOUT OUR WHOLESALE CONTRACT.
BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE OUTSIDE THEIR EXISTING PERMIT AND NOT ALLOWED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WATER.
SO THEY'RE OUTSIDE THEIR EXISTING PERMIT RIGHT.
WHEN THEY KNEW THIS WAS COMING? CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS WHEN THEY REACHED A, A, UM, A TENTATIVE AGREEMENT WITH NEWQUEST.
BUT, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, I GUESS ABOUT THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO WHEN WE REALLY STARTED PUSHING HARD ON THIS.
AND WE SAID, WELL, INSTEAD OF LETTING THE DEVELOPMENT DIE OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, UM, THE CITY MANAGER, UM, WITH, WITH STAFF FIGURED OUT A PLAN THAT WE COULD MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
AND SO PART OF IT WAS WHAT WE APPROVED EARLIER TONIGHT.
AND THEN MM-HMM,
AND TW IS IN AGREEMENT WITH US, WITH US ON THIS.
WELL, I'M SURE THEY ARE NOW 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT OUR WILL COME.
SO IT'S LIKE, BUT THEY WERE, THEY WERE STUCK BETWEEN AND PLACE FOR SURE.
YOU KNOW, IT, THAT'S OKAY, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL HELP WITH THIS, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BANK ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT NOW THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE WE GOT ARAWA.
AND THEY'RE REALIZING PROBABLY NOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN THE GALLONS OF WATER THAT THEY WERE PROMISING IN THEIR AREA.
AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK MANY, MANY DECADES OF THAT AREA.
IT WAS MONARCH AND NOW IT'S HERE.
UH, AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING HOW NOW THAT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING TO, TO GO GO THIS ROUTE.
SO IT'S LIKE IT'S, AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE AS COUNSEL JUST MOVING FORWARD, I THINK WE JUST KIND OF BE CAREFUL ON SOME OF THESE THINGS HERE.
I KNOW THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I, I HAD, UH, SUPPORTED AND IT, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVESTMENT AND SO FORTH, OBVIOUSLY, AND OF COURSE IT'S GONNA BRING RETAIL, IT'S GONNA BRING OTHER THINGS.
I'M JUST, UH, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ALWAYS BACKTRACKING ON SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS AT THE VERY END WHEN, IF THEY KNEW THAT THIS WAS COMING, I'M NOT SURE THEY HAD A CONTRACT.
YEAH, I THINK THEY WERE AT THE CONTRACT STAGE.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, ANDREW, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING TO THAT? YEAH, WE, YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA COME ON UP? YEP.
SO WHAT HAPPENED, COUNSEL? UM, I'M ANDREW ALVIS WITH NEWQUEST PROPERTIES.
UM, YEAH, WE WERE, UH, ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT WHEN IT KIND OF, THEY JUST WENT SILENT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND CAME BACK AND JUST TOLD US THEY DIDN'T HAVE WATER TO SERVE.
SO, I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, JUST WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT WILL SERVE LETTER AND WEREN'T ABLE TO, SO WEREN'T, WEREN'T ABLE TO GET, GET
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IT THROUGH.SO HOW MUCH, UH, HOW MANY GALLONS DO YOU THINK WE PROBABLY WILL BE NEEDING TO SUPPLY THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THE, UM, AVERAGE DAILY DEMAND IS GONNA BE AROUND 110,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
THE MAXIMUM DAILY DEMAND OR YEAH.
THE MAXIMUM DAILY DEMAND IS GONNA BE AROUND 180,000 GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, PART OF THE 1626 DEVELOPMENT SITE BY, BY INSTALLING THAT 350 MILLION OR 3.5 MILLION GALLON GROUND STORAGE TANK IS GONNA SHAVE THE PEAKS, THE PEAK OFF, SPECIFICALLY THIS PROJECT THAT SHOWED UP IN OUR MODELING.
AND AS A RESULT, WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 110,000 GALLONS PER DAY FOR THIS CURRENT PHASE.
AND AS THEY, AS THEY GROW INTO THE PROJECT, UH, AT SOME POINT WE'LL BE GETTING THE ALLIANCE WATER ONLINE, WHICH THEY, WHICH WILL, UM, BE ABLE TO HANDLE WHATEVER ADDITIONAL FLOW THAT THEY'VE GOT OR DEMAND THAT THEY'VE GOT.
SO WE'RE BARELY, WE'RE GONNA BE BARELY MAKING THE THRESHOLD ON ON, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE PUSHING 110,000 A HUNDRED AND THEN WE HAVE UP TO 180 THAT'S STILL 80,000 GALLONS CORRECT.
NO, I THINK IT, I THINK THE, THE POINT MIKE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS AN AVERAGE OF ONE 10.
THE PEAK DAY FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS 180.
WE'VE GOT A THREE AND A HALF MILLION GALLON TANK, WHICH HELPS US MANAGE THE SYSTEM OF HOW MUCH HAS TO BE PUMPED TO THE, THE ACTUAL SITE IF YOU'RE HAVING THAT PEAK DAY USAGE OR PEAK TIME USAGE.
BUT THE ARWA WATER COMING IN IS 1.73 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY IN AT LEAST THE FIRST PHASE AND ANOTHER 2.3 MILLION GALLONS IN THE PHASE IN 2027.
SO IT'S KIND OF PUTTING ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, LOOKING AT THE CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM AND WHAT WE CAN PUMP, UH, AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
AND THOSE ARE THE CALCULATIONS THAT WE'VE WENT THROUGH WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, UH, MIKE MURPHY AND HIS STAFF AND, AND LOOK REALLY KIND OF SCRUBBING THE NUMBERS TOO FROM THE NUQUEST DEAL TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE TRULY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS THE DEMAND AND WHEN THAT DEMAND WAS.
AND WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WORKING THROUGH THIS, WE THOUGHT THOSE NUMBERS WERE HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING.
AND SO WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND BACK TESTED THOSE NUMBERS TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE USES WERE, HOW THEY WERE ACTUALLY PERFORMING IN OTHER SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO CALCULATE THAT.
SO, UM, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES TO IT.
BUT LOOKING AT IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BARELY MAKING IT.
IT'S, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S ALSO THE TIMING.
IT'S 2025 IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
UH, BUT WE'LL BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION IF THIS PROJECT GOES, THAT, THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL BE STARTING MIDDLE PART OF 25 AND IT'S REALLY LATE 26 OR 27 BEFORE IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ONLINE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S LOOKING AT THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT TOO, WITH ALL THE WATER SUPPLY AND THE PROJECTS COMING ON THAT MIKE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
SO WILL WE NOW BE ABLE TO GET SOME CONSERVATION PRACTICES IN PLACE AND REQUIREMENTS SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING ON THE WATER IF THIS GETS APPROVED.
SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE SOME KIND OF CONFERENCE, UH, CONSERVATION MEASURES IN PLACE.
SO OUR, OUR UM, WATER MASTER PLAN IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETE THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2025.
UM, UH, ACTUALLY, UM, TV MM-HMM.
IS WORKING ON OUR WATER MASTER PLAN.
AND IN THAT WATER MASTER PLAN, WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATED WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, WHICH WILL INCLUDE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
THIS WILL, THIS WILL BE ALL, BE CITY WATER? YES, SIR.
SO ALL OF THIS PROPERTY EITHER IS ANNEXED OR WILL BE ANNEXED.
UM, MAYBE THIS WAS ALL PART OF THE DEAL.
JUST, AND JUST REMEMBER, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE, OUTTA THIS PROJECT, WE GET OUR KOHLERS CROSSING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR CONNECTIVITY FROM, UH, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, FROM THE HOSPITAL, ALL THE WAY TO KOHLERS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THANKS TO THIS PROJECT.
SO IT'S, UH, IMPORTANT, UH, BYPASS FOR US INFRASTRUCTURE WISE.
JUST TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT TOO, UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTIONING HOW WE DO BACK CALCULATIONS.
WE COMPARE SIMILAR SIZE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS IN OTHER CITIES TO SEE THE PEAK CAPACITY.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE CALCULATING WHAT'S GONNA COME ONLINE WHEN IT'S COMING ONLINE, WHAT CURRENTLY THE PERMIT NUMBERS ARE.
IF WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE RIGHT ON THE THRESHOLD OR REALLY CLOSE TO RISK, WE WON'T DO THOSE.
I MEAN, WE, WE WERE NOT, WE WOULD NOT BE, UM, WE WON'T BE SERVICING WHAT WE DON'T HAVE THE WATER FOR, LIKE, UH RIGHT.
BASED ON WHAT'S GONNA COME ON THE NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER.
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I THINK THAT'S THE, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, UH, HOPEFULLY TO THE COUNCIL AND AND COMMUNITY, IS THAT WE DON'T, UH, ENTERTAIN THESE CONVERSATIONS HAPHAZARDLY.WE, WE TAKE A VERY IN DEPTH, UH, AN ENGINEERING FOCUSED LOOK, A QUANTITATIVE LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS, WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS, WHAT OUR SUPPLY IS, HOW MUCH WE CAN PUMP, WHEN WE CAN PUMP IT, ALL THOSE KIND OF GO INTO A COMPLEX FORMULA TO DETERMINE CAN YOU, UH, ADEQUATELY SERVE THAT DEVELOPMENT UNDER A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CONDITIONS AND V VARIOUS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF RESTRICTIONS FROM YOUR WATER SUPPLY SOURCES.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SAY WE CAN SERVE IT, THAT WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN SERVE IT.
AND WE WOULDN'T BE, BE HERE IF WE DIDN'T BELIEVE WE COULD.
IT'S, UH, SOMETIMES THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.
WE'RE, IT'S NOT JUST THE LUCK OF THE DRAW.
WE DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE WHAT WE KNOW WE CAN SERVE.
I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PIECE OF THE CALCULUS THAT GOES IN, WE, MIKE AND I MEET EVERY, WE MEET EVERY WEEK ON WATER, UH, EVERY MONDAY AFTERNOON.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING IS LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE COMING ONLINE AND THE NUMBER OF L LUS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED TO EACH OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THEN TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE TRUE TIMING OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS OF WHEN THEY'RE COMING ONLINE.
BECAUSE IT MAY BE IT'S 3000 UNITS OR 5,000 UNITS, OR 7,600 UNITS, UM, BUT WE'RE FINDING THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED AS QUITE AS MANY LUS AS THEY THOUGHT THEY NEEDED, OR AS SOON AS THEY NEEDED.
AND SO, AS WE ABLE, WE'RE ABLE TO UPDATE THOSE MODELS AND SHOW A MORE ACCURATE COMPARISON OR A, A USAGE OF THE L LUE OVER TIME, THAT ALSO HELPS US TREMENDOUSLY IN, IN MAKING THOSE KINDS OF ARRANGEMENTS.
SO A WATERSTONE, UH, DEAL THAT WE DID, WE WERE ABLE TO SHAVE OFF 1600 L LUS JUST ON THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT ALONE, WHICH IS MORE THAN OFFSETTING THIS DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT WHEN WE BRING FORWARD THE WATER MASTER PLAN.
AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL WITH THE COUNCIL SO YOU CAN TRULY SEE ALL THE NUMBERS.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE CONFIDENT WE CAN SERVE IT AND, UH, I THINK, UH, WE, WE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME OVER THE LAST YEAR PUTTING TOGETHER THE TOOLS, THE MODELS, THE PERSONNEL THAT CAN ADEQUATELY LOOK AT ALL THAT INFORMATION AND GIVE YOU A, AN ANSWER.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK, UH, YOU MENTIONED TO US THAT, UM, NEWQUEST WAS GOING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE ARAWA DOT LINES OR SOMETHING HAS, UM, SINCE IN, IN, IN, IN GETTING THE WATER.
NO, I, I, I MAY HAVE, I TRY TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO THERE'S IMPACT FEES THAT WE'LL COLLECT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE WOULD OTHERWISE NOT HAVE COLLECTED.
SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION OF IMPACT FEES BY SERVING THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'LL COLLECT INSTEAD OF INTO THE TEXAS WATER UTILITIES SYSTEM.
SO WE'LL COLLECT THOSE IMPACT FEES AND IT HELPS PROVIDE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE DACY LINE, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO UP UPSIZE THAT LINE TO HELP SERVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT CAN HELP OFFSET THAT COST.
UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS, MOTIONS, MAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 32 AS WRITTEN SECOND.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 32.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[33) Consider directing the City Manager to evaluate the needs and advantages of implementing a K-9 unit within the Kyle Police Department, and possible actions to propose a budget amendment to initiate the program.]
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP.CONSIDER, UM, DIRECTING CITY MANAGER TO EVALUATE THE NEEDS AND ADVANTAGES OF IMPLEMENTING A CANINE UNIT CUSTOMER.
SO I HAVE SEEN THAT OVER THE YEARS.
THE CANINE UNIT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES IN JUNE 26TH, 2021.
THEN WE DID IT AGAIN IN JULY, 2022 AND MAY 12TH OF JULY, 2022 HAS ALWAYS BEEN PROPOSED, A CANINE UNIT AND IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AROUND IT.
SO ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, I HAD SOME VERY BRAVE STUDENTS TO REACH OUT TO ME TALKING ABOUT ISSUES REGARDING DRUGS AND NARCOTICS AND IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THEY SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE IF, WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMES TO, AT LEAST TO OUR SCHOOL TO DO ANY SEARCH THAT WILL BRING A DOG 'CAUSE THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET TO, YOU KNOW, GET TO DRUGS IF THEY'RE BEING USED IN THE SCHOOL AND, YOU KNOW, GET THOSE OUT OF THE STREET.
UM, AND THEN I THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CANINE, WE DON'T HAVE A CANINE UNIT THAT WE CAN BE USING.
I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS ONE, UM, AND THEY ARE BEING BROUGHT UP TO SCHOOLS,
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BUT TO THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE WITHIN HAY CITY'S, UH, HAY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEY'RE USED BY THE SROS.SO I THOUGHT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T SEE IT IN THIS BUDGET SEASON.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT IT WAS NOT PRESENTED AT SOMETHING THAT WAS NEEDED FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT I THINK IT'S HARD TO KNOW IF SOMETHING IS NEEDED OR NOT IF WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO SEE IF IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL.
UM, I CAN'T LIST THE AMOUNT OF BENEFITS THAT I HAVE READ OVER SEVERAL SITES AND PAPERS REGARDING THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A CANINE UNIT FOR A CITY, ESPECIALLY KYLE BEING WITH THE POPULATION.
WE HAVE PROBABLY AROUND 70,000 NOW FOR US TO NOT HAVE A CANINE UNIT SEEMS ALARMING WHEN WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR OFFICERS WHEN THEY ARE PATROLLING.
WE KNOW THEY'RE DETERRING CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS OPEN THE DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE WE HAVE PROPOSED SEVERAL TIMES IN THESE D PILOT PROGRAMS WITH HAVING BASICALLY NO INFORMATION.
THERE IS SO MUCH BACKUP MATERIAL REGARDING CANINE UNITS THAT HAS COME TO DIFFERENT BUDGET SEASONS BEFORE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED, I'M NOT ASKING FOR FIVE DOCS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ACTUALLY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BROUGHT UP SOMETHING BEFORE WHERE THEY HAVE THE PRICES AND WHAT WE WILL TAKE FOR, UH, KPD TO START A CANINE UNIT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN.
UM, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE NOT ONLY BENEFITING A SCHOOL WHEN THE POLICE OFFICERS VISIT AND KPD IS IN MY SCHOOL ABOUT ONCE A WEEK.
I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY FOR DRUGS, BUT THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY OFTEN OVER THERE.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER TO START AS A PILOT PROGRAM? THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION? COME MAYOR PRO TIM.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AS FAR AS BEFORE EVEN BUILDING THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, WE'VE GOT TWO KENNELS IN THERE BUILT, UH, FOR A FUTURE FOR A, UH, UH, A, A CANINE UNIT.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LOVE TO GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS BUT HAVE TO BE A, A CANINE THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST FOR DRUGS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN GET A CANINE UNIT JUST FOR THE DRUG TASK FORCE.
YOU GET A MULTIUSE ANIMAL THAT WILL DO THE, UH, DRUGS WILL DO SEARCH AND RESCUE WILL HELP CLEAR HOMES.
I WOULD WANT TO GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK IF WE WERE TO INVEST IN THIS.
AND IT WILL BE, IT WILL DEPEND ON THE TRAINING THAT THE CANINE USES.
THAT'S WHY I HAVE BEEN READING THAT.
YOU CAN HAVE ONES THAT ARE SPECIFIC FOR NARCOTICS OR, UM, AND LIKE STOLEN ITEMS OR ALSO ARE GOING TO HELP THE OFFICER.
IT, IT'S A PROTECTION FOR THE OFFICER.
AND IN ORDER TO GET BEHIND IT, IT HAVE TO BE A MULTIUSE, UH, CANINE.
SO THAT WAY THAT WE GET OUR BEST, BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
THAT WAY THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST ONE JOB.
COUNCILOR HARRISON, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHAT YOUR OPINION IS OF, UH, THE CANINE UNITS AND AREAS THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT HAVE THEM IN PERHAPS THE CENTRAL TEXAS AREA, UM, AND HOW EFFECTIVE YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE FOR YOUR UNIT, AND IF THEY'RE NECESSARY.
JEFF BARNETT, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE RECORD.
SO FIRST, UH, POLICE CANINE SERVICES, UH, SERVICE TO ANIMALS ARE OUTSTANDING FOR, UH, PROVIDING A SAFER COMMUNITY.
THEY HELP RID YOUR COMMUNITY OF DRUGS.
THEY HELP TRACK DOWN PEOPLE THAT FLEE.
IF WE DO WHAT THEY CALL A DUAL PURPOSE DOG, IT'S NOT ONLY FOR NARCOTICS, BUT IT'S FOR OTHER POLICE PURPOSES.
SEARCHING BUILDINGS FOR SUSPECTS, BURGLARY SUSPECTS, LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO FLEE FROM STOLEN VEHICLES AND WHATNOT.
YOU CAN SAVE A LOT OF, UH, MAN HOURS, STAFF HOURS, AND LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT RUN INTO THE WOODS.
DOGS ARE A LITTLE BIT BETTER AT TRACKING THAN OBVIOUSLY US HUMANS.
SO THEY CAN CERTAINLY ADD A GREAT BENEFIT TO A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY WORTHWHILE.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT'S NEGATIVE ABOUT A POLICE CANINE PROGRAM.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS RIOT, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT THROUGHOUT MANY BUDGETS OVER THE YEARS.
AT ONE TIME, THE COUNCIL, EVEN ON A KNOT, WHEN THERE WERE SIX HERE, TOOK A THREE, THREE VOTE AND THEN, UH, NEEDED TO BRING IT BACK WHEN THERE WOULD BE THE, THE SEVENTH VOTE.
AND THEN ON THAT PARTICULAR VOTE, IT WENT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
UH, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS.
UH, I'LL QUICKLY TELL YOU WHY IT WASN'T INCLUDED AS A PRIORITY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
WE REALLY TRIED TO FOLLOW THE MATRIX STUDY THAT COUNCIL HAD AUTHORIZED, AND WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT THOSE PRIORITIES THAT THE MATRIX STUDY IDENTIFIED THAT WE AGREED WITH.
WE DID AGREE WITH THEIR FINDINGS, AND WE TRIED TO, TO EMBARK ON A PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
YEAR ONE THAT WE JUST PASSED THE BUDGET.
YEAR TWO, WE'LL BRING YOU THE SECOND HALF OF THOSE PRIORITIES.
CERTAINLY DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T BRING A CANINE AND ADDITIONAL THINGS, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOLLOW THAT MATRIX PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL HAD AUTHORIZED ABOUT
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A YEAR AGO.UH, BUT VERY WORTHWHILE PROGRAM.
AND I THINK WHAT THE ASK IS, IF I'M, IF I'M MAY BE SO BOLD, THE ASK IS, IS TO PUT TOGETHER A VERY WELL-ROUNDED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT PROGRAM WITH ALL OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, THE COST, THE STAFFING, AND WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE, AND BRING THAT PRESENTATION BACK TO COUNSEL AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND LET YOU CONSIDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SUPPORT OR NOT.
AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE COULD PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER IN A PACKAGE AND PRESENT IT AT A TIME OF YOUR CHOOSING AND LET YOU SEE, UH, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT TOPIC.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THE MATRIX STUDY THAT WAS DONE? SO I WAS LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT CITIES THAT HAVE DONE MATRIX STUDIES REGARDING TO SEE IF LIKE MAYBE A CANINE UNIT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
AND ALTHOUGH THERE WAS NOT A PROGRAM INITIALLY, AND IT WASN'T IDENTIFIED AS A NEED, THEY HAVE BROUGHT IT UP INITIALLY, LIKE TO ONE DOG.
AND WHAT HAS, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IS THIS, EVERYTHING IS DOCUMENTED ON THE BENEFITS THAT THE CANINE UNIT WILL DO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE EVALUATED IN THE FOLLOWING BUDGETS TO SEE IF IT NEEDED TO BE INCREASED, IF THE PROGRAM NEEDED TO LIKE BE EXPANDED.
SO I'M, I'M SAYING I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MATRIX THAT IT DID NOT PROVIDE, BUT I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL BUDGETS BEFORE.
UM, AND IT HASN'T BEEN, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THAT CAN BE VERY VALUABLE PROGRAMS AND, AND BRING ADDED VALUE TO THE DEPARTMENT AND ADDED SERVICES.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UH, THAT FLEE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW.
IT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A TREND NOW THAN IT WAS IN RECENT YEARS.
PEOPLE FLEE FROM DEPARTMENTS IN HOPES THAT THEY WILL NOT PURSUE, AND THOSE DOGS CAN MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE OFFICER.
THESE CANINES ARE BETTER EQUIPPED TO MAKE THAT TRACKING AND TO FOLLOW SENSE AND, AND TRACK FLEEING SUSPECTS.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE OUR OFFICERS SAFE IS, IS DEFINITELY A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE ON YOUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, I'VE KIND OF TOLD YOU WE KIND OF FOLLOW THAT MATRIX STAFFING STUDY THIS YEAR FOR YOUR REVIEW, BUT WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
AND WE'D LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND PRESENT YOU ALL THE PROS AND CONS AND BRING YOU THE ASSOCIATED COSTS AND STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT TO BRING THAT PROGRAM TO FRUITION.
AGAIN, SEVERAL MATRIX STUDIES AND NONE OF THEM HAVE COME BACK WITH THE NEED FOR A CANINE UNIT.
SO IT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVE INITIATED SEVERAL, UM, PILOT PROGRAMS IN HERE THAT DID NOT HAVE A MATRIX STUDY BEHIND THEM.
AND WE, WE CURRENTLY RELY ON THE HAYES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR SAN MARCUS PD, AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
SO WE CERTAINLY CALL UPON CANINES THAT AREN'T AVAILABLE.
HAVING ONE WOULD PUT THAT AT OUR DISPOSAL MORE OFTEN.
BUT WE CAN BRING YOU A WELL THOUGHT OUT PROGRAM THAT'LL SHOW YOU HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WE TYPICALLY CALL FOR A DOG.
AND THEY'RE EITHER AVAILABLE OR NOT RIGHT NOW AND GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION HOPEFULLY TO MAKE A, MAKE A DECISION.
YEAH, SO I THINK, UM, IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD ENTERTAIN THINKING ABOUT.
BUT I ALSO WANNA SEE THE CONS OF IT, BECAUSE WHAT IS NOT REPORTED IS THE NUMBER OF LAWSUITS THAT CITIES DO END UP IN WHEN THE, THE CANINE BITES AN INNOCENT PERSON.
AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INJURIES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL DEATH, EVEN HARM TO THE, TO THE, UM, TO AN OFFICER.
AND NOT TO MENTION THAT THE ANIMAL ITSELF COULD BE KILLED BY WHOEVER, UM, RUNS AWAY.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I, I NEED TO LOOK AT AND GET DATA ON.
WHAT ARE THE, THE NEGATIVES, UM, UH, SURROUNDING A CANINE.
WE'LL TRY TO INCLUDE AS MUCH AS WE CAN GIVE SOME FORETHOUGHT TO THAT, WE'LL TRY TO INCLUDE THAT TOO FOR YOUR REVIEW.
AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
SO MY THOUGHTS ARE, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION AS WELL, BUT THE THING YOU SAID THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT IS THE TIME FOR IT TO COME BACK.
SO WHENEVER YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS THAT INCLUDES FTES AND A VARIETY OF COSTS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, UM, I WOULD LIKE THE PROPOSAL TO COME BACK WITH THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT WITH EVERY OTHER NEED IN THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO GOING THREE MONTHS AFTER THE BUDGET WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, TOOK A VOTE ON IT, AND NOW WE'VE COME BACK AND ARE JUST TRYING TO START IT BACK UP AGAIN.
SO I'M FINE TAKING THE VOTE 'CAUSE I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN THE QUESTIONS.
I, I HAVE MY THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS, BUT MY THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS ARE NOT WELL FORMED.
AND SO I'M, LOOK, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT FOR ME, I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO DO IT HERE.
JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER WE SPENT MANY, MANY HOURS GOING OVER NOT ONLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS, INCLUDING HIGHLY PAID STUDIES ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND HOW WE CAN BEST FILL THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO IN EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, AND, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD BE INVESTING IN THAT, UH, ALSO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE OR RAISE QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND SO WE PUT ALL THOSE TOGETHER AND THE CANINE UNIT DIDN'T MAKE IT, ALTHOUGH IT WAS CLOSE.
UM, AND SO I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO PUT THE CANINE UNIT UP WITH WHATEVER ELSE YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THE NEXT BUDGET.
AND, AND, AND I THINK IF YOU DID THE, THE RESEARCH AND WHERE WE OFFICIALLY SAID WE WANT YOU TO MAKE A FULL ON PRESENTATION, IT WOULD GIVE IT A MUCH HIGHER CHANCE OF COMING INTO THE BUDGET.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO.
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ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.CHIEF, CAN YOU GIMME AN NEXT WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF AN, AN INITIATIVE THAT YOU ALL IDENTIFY AS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
AND IF THIS IS IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IF WHEN YOU COME BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D BE OPEN TO SUPPORTING IT.
BUT ULTIMATELY, LIKE, I, I HOPE THAT YOU COME BACK, UM, AND IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW WHAT IS THAT THE GREATEST NEED, IF THERE IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION ON IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY TAKE ON IT, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT IF, IF DOESN'T COST ANYTHING FOR YOU GUYS JUST TO LOOK INTO IT, I DON'T.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT THE REPORT TOGETHER AND TRY TO PROVIDE YOU A WELL, WELL PLANNED OUT REVIEW SO THAT YOU CAN SEE BOTH, BOTH THE PROS AND CONS AS COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNI MENTIONED CONSER.
UM, ALL GOOD, GOOD QUESTIONS AND GOOD, GOOD FEEDBACK.
AS FAR AS WHAT SUPPORTING CANINE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALL ON BOARD.
I DON'T THINK, UH, THAT'S THE, THE BIG ISSUE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT IS THE PRIORITY OF YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT? WHAT ARE THE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE? IF THE CANINE UNIT RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING THAT IT IS IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT PROPOSAL, BUT I KNOW ONE OF YOUR CRITICAL, UM, UH, ELEMENTS RIGHT NOW IS STAFFING, IS RECRUITING.
AND WHEN YOU RECRUIT AND IF YOU BRING A CANINE UNIT, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST ONE OFFICER, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT TWO.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OFFICERS, YOU'RE WITH THAT DOG 24 7, YOU CANNOT RESPOND TO ANY OTHER CALLS YOU CANNOT RESPOND TO.
YOU CAN ONLY GO TO SPECIFIC CALLS THAT REQUIRE A CANINE 'CAUSE YOU, THAT THAT ANIMAL IS WITH THAT OFFICER 24 7.
SO THAT PUTS MAYBE A SMALL BURDEN ON STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND.
AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, ON THAT END, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE COST OF THE ANIMAL.
THEY'RE EXPENSIVE, VERY EXPENSIVE VETERINARIAN, THE COST AND CARE.
UM, YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO DEVELOP A MISSION STATEMENT AND OVERALL OF WHAT THE GOALS AND THE CANINE HAS TO USE.
SO, UM, THAT IS WHY I KNOW IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE CHIEF, THAT YOU'RE, YOU, YOU HAVE PUT IT ON THE TABLE, BUT, UH, I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT AS FAR AS WHAT YOUR CRITICAL NEEDS ARE.
AND WHEN YOU'RE SHORT STAFFED AND IN BRINGING A UNIT LIKE THIS, THE, IS THIS RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE TIME TO BRING A CANINE AT THIS TIME, MAYBE NEXT YEAR, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE AT ON OUR STAFFING.
BUT I, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING VERY CRITICAL FOR YOU AS, AS WELL TO, AND I WANT COUNSEL TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE WHERE YOUR CRITICAL NEEDS ARE AND IF THE CANINES IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN GO ON FROM THERE.
BUT JUST REALIZE WHEN YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL, BECAUSE I WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE THOSE ANIMALS ALL THE TIME, THEY'RE ONLY LIMITED TO SO MUCH THAT THEY, THAT THEY CAN DO.
THEY CAN GO TO CALLS AND SO FORTH AND SO FORTH.
BUT I GUESS IN THIS SITUATION IS, IS IT, UH, MS. PARSLEY, IS IT AT YOUR SCHOOL THAT YOU'RE STATING OR IS IT OTHER PLACES OR THERE THERE ARE OTHER PLACES.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I JUST SEE IT FIRSTHAND IN ONE PLACE AND KNOWING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS OUR REQUEST FROM 17-YEAR-OLD SAYING, IF KPD CAME COMES HERE TO LOOK FOR DRUGS IN THE BACKPACKS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIND IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF CANINES ARE ALWAYS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, BUT IS THERE PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT SOME OF THESE PLACES CAN RENT OR HAVE ANIMALS COME OUT TO THAT YOU KNOW OF? SO I WAS READING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS, UM, MEANT TO SEE THIS OR NOT, BUT SOME, SOME REPORT WAS SHARED WITH ME THAT WAS GOING TO COME UP TO COUNCIL AND DIDN'T END UP COMING.
IT HAS A VERY WELL OUTLINED PRICING AND NUMBER OF DOCS THAT YOU COULD HAVE.
I'M SAD THAT IT DIDN'T MADE IT TO, TO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, BUT IT EXPRESSED THE BENEFITS.
IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A CANINE THE EQUIPMENT, THE TOTAL PRICING TO INCLUDE THE STAFF MEMBERS LIABILITY AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS REPORT, WHICH IS PRETTY NEW, WILL MAKE, UH, WILL GIVE AT LEAST COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND THERE ARE, THERE IS EVEN THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE TRAINING ACADEMY THAT COULD BE CONTACTED FOR THIS.
SO, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH BRIAN SO HE CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS.
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THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKING LIKE A WHOLE SIX MONTHS TO PUT TOGETHER SINCE THERE IS SOMETHING ALREADY THAT HAS NUMBERS, AND THIS IS FROM LIKE 20 24, 20 25.UM, THERE IS ALSO INFORMATION REGARDING OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE IT WITH THE BENEFITS.
I'M JUST, I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER IT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE ARE SITTING IN HERE TALKING ABOUT THE FENTANYL DEATHS AND HOW BAD THEY'RE AFFECTING OUR CITY.
UM, AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THESE DRUGS ARE COMING FROM.
IF WE CAN TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE STREETS, I WILL DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR OF ANY, ANY, UM, ANY BENEFIT, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO PREVENT THAT MAYOR PRO.
I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT DANIELLA WAS THE FENTANYL CRISIS WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY AND OUR CITIES AS WELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, UH, SAVE A LIFE, WHAT'S THE PRICE ON THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, ON THESE YOUNG PEOPLE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN AS CITY TO PROTECT OUR CITY, OUR CITIZENS, OUR KIDS.
IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT ALSO, I, I GOTTA HAVE THE NUMBERS.
I GOTTA KNOW COUNCILOR R TOBI WAS CORRECT.
I MEAN, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE BORDER PATROL HIRING PROCESS, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT OFFICERS GOING INTO CANINE UNITS, THESE OFFICERS HAD TO RENT A SEPARATE APARTMENT AND THEY COULDN'T BRING HIM HOME WITH HIM.
SO THEY ACTUALLY RENTED A SEPARATE APARTMENT FOR THE CANINE UNIT ON DAYS THEY HAD IT.
SO THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT ALL THE COSTS ARE WITH THIS.
I KNOW THAT THESE DOGS ARE NOT TO THAT EXTREME, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE PRETTY CLOSE.
SO JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE ALL OUR NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A GOOD AND PRECISE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? VOTE WHEN WE, THIS COMES FORWARD.
BUT, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, FOR ME IT'S, UH, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A CRISIS IN, IN OUR COUNTY AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THAT CRISIS? SO I'M, I'M OPEN TO LOOKING AT IT.
CUSTOMER, ZUNIGA CHIEF, UH, DOES BUDDA OR SAN MARCO HAVE CANINE UNITS? UM, UH, THE CITY OF THE CITY OF BUDDA HAS HAD A CANINE OFF AND ON OVER THE YEARS.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ONE CURRENTLY.
THE CITY OF SAN MARCO DOES HAVE ONE AND HAYES COUNTY HAS ONE, AND THEY MAY EVEN HAVE MORE THAN ONE, BUT I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE TWO OF OUR AGENCIES THAT WE CALL FIRST.
UH, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE AS TO WHETHER THEY WILL CALL THEIR OFFICER IF THEY'RE OFF DUTY AND WHATNOT, IT HAS TO BE A REALLY SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR THEM TO CALL BACK AN EMPLOYEE TO WORK AND COME TO KYLE TO BRING THEIR CANINE.
BUT THEY'RE GREAT PARTNERS AND WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE, THEY COME AND SUPPORT US.
AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT.
WE'LL, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK A FULL REPORT.
WE WILL, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR A CANINE.
THEY DO, THEY'RE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, GREAT FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
THEY CAN INCREASE SAFETY AND HELP YOU FIND DRUGS AND DO A LOT OF GREAT WORK.
WE'LL TRY TO PACKAGE IT ALL TOGETHER WITH THE PROS, THE CONS, THE COSTS, THE STAFFING NEEDS, THE EQUIPMENT NEEDS, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR THE OPERATIONS.
IF WE HAVE A CANINE AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU, WE WANNA DO THAT.
I'LL COORDINATE WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU'RE READY, THE REPORT'S READY.
AND I THINK WE CAN GET IT IN IN DAYS AND WEEKS.
IT'S, FROM MY STANDPOINT, WE CAN HAVE THIS INFORMATION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO IT'S NOT A SIX MONTH TO US.
I, I, I THINK THE THING WE'LL WE WILL WANT TO DO IS JUST PRESENT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL OF THE NEEDS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE, THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS ABOUT ALL OF THE NEEDS OF THE CITY ARE ALSO SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT AS HOW DO YOU WANT TO EVALUATE THIS IN THAT CONTEXT, BUT ALSO THE NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S MANY OTHER NEEDS, MANY OTHER, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, WE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF THINGS FOR YEAR ONE, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER POSITIONS.
IN YEAR TWO, THIS WAS NOT ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED.
UH, SO THIS WOULD SUPPLANT OR TAKE THE PLACE OF ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS OR ONE OF THOSE OTHER NEEDS.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU DECIDE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AGAIN, I THINK THE CHIEF AND I ARE BOTH SUPPORTIVE OF LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT.
IT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THE, UM, THE TRADE OFFS OF, OF WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT TAKES THE PLACE OF SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S ONLY SO MANY RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, SO WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU AND MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S PRESENTED TO YOU.
I, I THINK THE, JUST SO THAT THERE'S NOT FUTURE CONFLICT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE IS LIKE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE'RE VOTING ON STUFF.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE AT LEAST TRY TO BE CLEAR A AMONGST OURSELVES SO THAT STAFF CAN GET GOOD DIRECTION AS FAR AS LIKE, SO WE'RE WANTING TO LOOK AT THIS IN THE NEXT BUDGET.
AND TO GIVE US PRICING TO GIVE US THE PROS AND CONS AND COME BACK AND GIVE A PRESENTATION IS ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO THAT WILL BE, I, I THINK THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION IS, UH, FOR MAYBE CHIEF TO COME BACK AND MAKE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE BENEFITS AND THE COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THEN FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE A VOTE AND WHETHER THEY WANNA WAIT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT BUDGET SEASON, IF THERE IS A NEED TO, IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO START SOMETHING SMALLER, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR A BUDGET.
I MEAN, INITIALLY I WANTED A BUDGET AMENDMENT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DO EVALUATION ABOUT THIS.
SO I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL PUT THE, TOGETHER THE REPORT VERY QUICKLY.
I'LL COORDINATE WITH CITY MANAGER, WE'LL LET HIM KNOW THAT IT'S READY.
I'LL MAKE SURE HE, IT, IT SEEMS TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANNA SEE IN A REPORT.
AND THEN IT'LL JUST BE AVAILABLE.
AND WE'LL BE READY WHEN MAYOR AND COUNCIL WANTS TO, TO HEAR THAT PRESENTATION
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WHENEVER THAT MAY BE.[34) Consider directing the City Manager to develop a housing strategy for the city of Kyle that creates a summary of our current housing inventory, affordability gaps, and strategies for diversifying our housing options moving forward.]
IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 34.CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP A HOUSING STRATEGY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.
THAT CREATES A SUMMARY OF OUR CURRENT HOUSING INVENTORY, AFFORDABILITY GAPS AND STRATEGIES FOR DIVERSIFYING OUR HOUSING OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, GROWING CITY LIKE OURS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THIS STAGE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, WE REALLY NEED SOME MORE GUIDANCE IN HOW WE CAN COMPLETE THE FULL PICTURE.
UM, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS AFTER DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH IS TO WHY, OR IN HOW, UH, A HOUSING STUDY COULD HELP US AND HELP THIS GOVERNING BODY MOVE FORWARD.
AND I'LL JUST KIND OF QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, OUR UNDERSTANDING OUR CURRENT HOUSING NEEDS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES OUR STOCK OF HOUSING LOOK LIKE? AVAILABILITY, AFFORDABILITY, DIVERSIFYING OUR OPTIONS IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, ANTICIPATING THE FUTURE DEMAND OF HOUSING.
AND I READ AN ARTICLE, UH, IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY IMPACT THAT SAYS TEXAS NEEDS 306,000 MORE HOMES TO MEET DEMAND.
AND THAT WE'VE BEEN BEHIND IN FILLING DEMAND FOR HOUSING SINCE THE YEAR 2000.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT PROMOTES EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS OUR CITY, WHICH IS A CONVERSATION WE, UH, THIS BODY LIKES TO HAVE.
UH, IT CAN HELP ATTRACT THE RIGHT KIND OF INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.
IT CAN HELP TO GUIDE LAND USE AND ZONING POLICIES.
IT CAN PROVIDE US IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY TOP OF MIND FOR ALL OF US.
AND I THINK ALSO IT CAN HELP ENHANCE ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS, UM, IF WITH JOBS AND BRINGING, UH, THE RIGHT TYPES OF JOBS IN HERE, UM, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE AND, UH, HELP FOSTER ECONOMIC GROWTH WHEN WE HAVE, UM, OPTION HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE FOR ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S, UM, UH, FAMILIES, SENIORS, UH, ET CETERA.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING, UH, FOR IS, UH, IS FOR THIS BODY TO CONSIDER, UH, DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF TO, TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO, UH, OUR CURRENT HOUSING, UH, INVENTORY AND, UM, UM, COME BACK TO US WITH, UH, A PLAN AND SOME GUIDANCE FOR HOW STAFF AND COUNCIL CAN WORK WITH, UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CREATING THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND, UH, WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT PROPOSAL? I WILL SAY THAT I'VE, I'VE, I'VE LONG BEEN CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWN OF OUR HOUSING TYPES WERE.
I MEAN, WE GET VERY LIMITED DATA BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL.
BUT TO BE ABLE TO LIKE TRULY BREAK DOWN THE HOUSING TYPES AND, UH, WOULD I, I'M SURE WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME OF THAT ALREADY, BUT, MM-HMM.
I MEAN, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A FORM OF WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I, I'M, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, I LIKE THE DATA PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MORE THAN, AND, AND MAYBE THE DATA COULD FORM A STRATEGY, BUT I, I THINK THE MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN HAVE AND STAFF CAN HAVE, UM, AND WE CAN PUT ON OUR WEBSITE FOR DEVELOPERS TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO COME FORWARD YEAH.
TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO STAFF OR COUNCIL, UH, THE MORE, UH, UH, TARGETED AND PRESCRIPTIVE WE CAN BE WITH, WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE, UH, WE WOULD APPROVE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS.
IS THERE A STRATEGY OR A GUIDE THAT'S OUT THERE THAT MADE YOU THINK OF THIS? LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE ANOTHER CITY THAT DOES, THAT HAS A PARTICULAR DATA SET, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE WANTING? UH, I'VE READ THROUGH THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S.
THEY DID ONE AND, UM, ROSIE AND, SORRY, ROSIE, UH, POTENTIALLY COULD COME UP AND SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH ROSIE, MELISSA, AND BRIAN, AND BASICALLY ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN, UH, INSIDE THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER.
UM, UH, ROSIE RESI, TRUE LOVE DIRECTOR OF, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
AND IN MY PRIOR LIFE I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSING FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOES HAVE A STRATEGIC HOUSING BLUEPRINT, WHICH IS, UM, THEIR FIRST EVER HOUSING PLAN FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT GUIDES THEIR HOUSING POLICY.
UM, EVERYTHING FROM WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, MARKET RATE HOUSING DOWN TO, UM, NUMERICAL TARGETS FOR INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING AND IDENTIFIES DIFFERENT STRATEGIES ON HOW YOU CAN GET THERE FROM DIFFERENT FUNDING MODELS, UM, PARTNERSHIPS, UM, CODE CHANGES, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, CUSTOMER TOBI.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY BRAIN AROUND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHAT, WHAT
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WE WANT TO DO.WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A HOUSING STRATEGY, UH, LIKE GETTING A CURRENT HOUSING INVENTORY OF WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE NOW.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT HOUSES IN CYPRUS FOREST THAT ARE $600,000 AND YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT ARE ON HERE.
ARE WE TRYING TO DO A BREAKDOWN OF PRICING? ARE WE TRYING TO LOOK AT AFFORDABILITY? WHAT IS AFFORDABILITY FOR SOME PEOPLE? WELL, I, I, SOME PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES.
THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, HE'S ITEMS, I DON'T WANT THREE OVER UNLESS YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT.
BUT I, I JUST, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO PULL THAT DATA TOGETHER.
WHAT IS OUR DATA? WHAT IS THE STORY OF OUR DATA FOR OUR HOUSING STOCK? AND WHAT ARE THE GAPS THAT WE HAVE? AFFORDABILITY, UM, THERE ARE QUANTITATIVE WAYS TO MEASURE THAT BASED ON MEDIUM FAMILY INCOME.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT FOR, UM, THE AUSTIN METRO AREA.
YOU CAN LOOK AT IT JUST FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.
SO IT'S TRYING TO PUT SOME PRECISION AROUND THOSE TYPES OF NUMBERS.
AND THEN FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THAT AND THE GAPS THAT WE HAVE, WHAT WOULD BE THE STRATEGIES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER? WHAT WOULD BE THE, UH, TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING WITH DEVELOPERS? WHAT WOULD BE THE PARTNERSHIPS ON LOW INCOME HOUSING, TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES? WHAT WOULD BE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS AND WHY? AND, UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT IS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE WITH SOME OF AUSTIN.
THERE'S MANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DATA WOULD SHOW, UH, NECESSARILY FOR KYLE, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT FOR US TO DO THAT RESEARCH AND TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SEE, YOU KNOW, AS THE MAYOR SAID, HERE'S THE DATA, HERE'S, UH, SOME VARIOUS STRATEGIES.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING? UM, HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? YEAH.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING UP.
WHICH EVERYBODY, IT'D BE A COMPREHENSIVE COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, ARE AGAINST.
YOU KNOW, BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.
YOU KNOW, AND SO, UH, AS MUCH AS PEOPLE ARE FUSSING AND YELLING, STOP BUILDING, STOP BUILDING HOUSES, STOP BUILDING HOUSES, I'M SURE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE 30 YEARS AGO WERE SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT Y'ALL.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT NUMBER, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, TO SEE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, UH, AFFORDABILITY ALSO COMES IN LINE WITH INDIVIDUAL FAMILIES IN THEIR POCKETBOOK, WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T HELP WHEN WE RAISE PROPERTY TAXES.
YOU KNOW, COULD THAT HELP? THAT DOESN'T HELP.
IT INCREASES SOMEBODY THAT'S PAYING $45 MORE A YEAR NOW IN PROPERTY TAXES.
FOUR 50, $500 THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY MORE A YEAR, UH, FOR, FOR THAT.
SO WHAT IS THE AFFORDABILITY PART OF IT? I GUESS WHAT HOUSING IS, WHAT 30% OF YOUR INCOME GOES TO MORTGAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF YOUR SALARY.
UH, THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT, THAT'S ONE WAY.
WHAT YOU WOULDN'T WANNA BE COST PER WHAT YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS, IS 30% OF THAT GOES TOWARDS YOUR MORTGAGE RENT AND SO FORTH.
SO WE ALSO HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS WHERE THE INCOME, THE INCOME IS COMING IN.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A, AND THOSE WOULD ALL BE DATA POINTS THAT, THAT WHOEVER WE PARTNERED WITH TO PUT THIS TOGETHER WOULD, WOULD HELP US TO COLLECT AND TO LOOK AT FOR WHAT'S RELEVANT FOR KYLE, BOTH ON A, ON A, ON A HOUSING, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERSPECTIVE AND LOOKING AT, UM, RENTAL UNITS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HOUSING OF ALL TYPOLOGIES.
SO JUST IF I CAN ADDRESS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID REALLY QUICK, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS COME FORWARD TO US EITHER IN MEETINGS OR INDIVIDUALLY.
AND, UM, AND I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN ONES THAT DON'T FIT WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AT THIS STAGE IN 2024 BASED ON WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE AROUND FOREVER.
AND THE MORE, UH, THINGS POLICY WISE WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO HELP FUTURE MEMBERS OF THIS DIOCESE MAKE EDUCATED DECISIONS BASED ON THE NEEDS OF OF OUR CITY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT I'M PRETTY SURE ALL OF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, AFFORDABILITY IS A GROWING PROBLEM HERE.
AND I'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH STAFF ON TRYING TO CREATE HOME, FIRST TIME HOME BUYING PROGRAMS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN, UH, CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FIRST RESPONDERS TEACHERS TO, UH, TO BUY THEIR HOUSE, TO BUY
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HOMES HERE.UM, BUT THAT'S ONLY HELPING A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO DO IS COME BACK WITH IS, IS IF THIS IS SUCCEEDS AS STAFF COMES BACK WITH A DATA SET THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE MORE EDUCATED DECISIONS SO THAT WE CAN HELP DEVELOPMENT AT SCALE BECOME MORE AFFORDABLE INSTEAD OF JUST, UM, DOING THESE ONE-OFF SMALL PROGRAMS THAT ARE HELPING FIVE FAMILIES POSSIBLY BUY A HOUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME, IF THERE'S DATA OUT THERE THAT WILL HELP US MAKE BETTER DECISIONS SO THAT, UM, DEVELOPERS CAN, UM, AS THEY'RE LOOKING, WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT TO BUILD HERE, UH, CAN DO SO MORE AFFORDABLY THAT HELPS PASS DOWN AFFORDABILITY TO THE BUYER THEMSELVES.
AND THAT IS HOW WE WILL CREATE LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY THAT DON'T EXIST IN OUR CITY.
AND, UM, LOOKING AT THE REGION, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS LACKING.
AND I, I, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I GOT.
COUNCIL HARRIS, I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE AN ASSET FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE THIS DONE.
UM, AND I'M THINKING PARTICULARLY OF OUR SENIOR CITIZENS, UM, VERY FEW OF OUR SENIOR CITIZENS ARE REALLY LOOKING TO BUY THEIR NEXT HOME
UM, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING, UM, AT WHAT THE RESOURCES ARE OTHER THAN THAT IF THEY DON'T WANNA STAY IN THEIR HOME EPIC HOME AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY LIMITED, I THINK THIS WOULD BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SENIOR POPULATION TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF MORE RESOURCES FOR OUR SENIORS.
BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S ALL THE COST OF LIVING.
AND WE HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT EVERYWHERE YOU GO, INCLUDING KYLE, IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE JUST TO LIVE HERE.
BUT I THINK THAT REFLECTS ALL OF US HERE ON THE DAIS.
'CAUSE WE'RE ALL IN THE SENSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
AND EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPONENT, I DID SPEAK TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS, AND THESE ARE THE FOUR THINGS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREED WITH ME ON THIS STOP RAISING PROPERTY TAXES.
NUMBER TWO, STOP SPENDING EXCESSIVE MONEY THAT WE DON'T NEED.
NUMBER THREE WAS ALSO FIX OUR ROADS AND GET US DEAD GUM WATER.
SO A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH WHERE WE'RE AT HERE AS FAR AS WHAT'S PRESENTED TO US IN, I THINK THIS IS THE LARGEST BUDGET THE CITY HAS PASSED THIS PAST BUDGET, AND I'M GUILTY OF VOTING FOR IT TOO.
SO AFFORDABILITY, AGAIN, GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND THE HOUSE, AND YOU'RE GOING BACK TO ALSO HELPING THE SENIOR CITIZENS, THAT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM.
SO I WONDER IF NOW GOING FORWARD, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF DEVELOPMENTS AND WE HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING IN, SHOULD WE START REALLY DRILLING THEM SAYING, WHAT IS YOUR HOUSING PRICE POINT? COULD WE LEGALLY DO THAT? AND SAID, WHAT IS YOUR PRICE POINT? AND A LOT OF 'EM ARE STILL, ARE GONNA BE AT THE $300,000 STARTING RANGE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S NO MORE HOUSING AT 1 99 LIKE IT USED TO BE.
UH, SO, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE SOME PEOPLE ARE, ARE AT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE WAY INFLATION IS.
GAS IS OVER $3 A GALLON, MILK'S WHAT, FOUR, THE OTHER, I SPENT $9 ON A CASE OF SODA, YOU KNOW, ON, ON IT'S EXPENSIVE.
SO I THINK LOOKING AT THAT AND, AND GETTING BACK TO THE ROOT OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE, UH, AFFORDABILITY, WE, WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT AND THEN GOING FORWARD WITH DEVELOPERS, IF THEY'RE COMING TO US AND KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR, WHAT KIND OF HOUSING DO YOU PROVIDE? WHAT KIND OF QUALITY? OF COURSE WE WANT THE BEST QUALITY, BUT WHAT AT WHAT PRICE POINT ARE, ARE, ARE THEY COMING AT? AND IT'S HARD FOR US TO SAY, WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE SELLING A HOUSE OVER HERE UNDER 300,000, WE'RE NOT GONNA IMPROVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, WHERE IS THE HOUSING GONNA GO AND WHERE DOES THAT INFRASTRUCTURE LIE? IS THE ROADS READY FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO WHERE WE CAN HELP? WELL, UM, I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WE HAVE NOT RAISED PROPERTY TAXES IN A NUMBER OF YEARS.
OUR TAXES ARE, ARE NOT PARTICULARLY LOW.
UH, NOT EVERYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN KYLE WANTS TO OR WILL BUY A HOUSE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THROUGH THIS STRATEGY IS THINGS, UM, THAT FIT WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUCH AS ADUS, UM, THAT SMALL DEVELOPMENTS, UM, FOR SENIOR HOUSING OR FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING, NOT JUST BIG HIGH RISES.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE
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SURE AFFORDABILITY, WE DON'T NEED TO BE NECESSARILY THINKING OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME.THERE ARE OTHER METHODS OF PROVIDING HOUSING THAT ARE EFFECTIVE AND, UM, ARE DESIRABLE.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE DO THIS, UH, WE, UH, TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT.
I MEAN, THE REASON WE ARE STILL GROWING IS THAT WE ARE STILL AFFORDABLE.
IF WE WEREN'T AFFORDABLE, WE WOULDN'T BE GROWING SO RAPIDLY AS A CITY.
UH, BUT YEAH, WE DIDN'T RAISE TAXES.
OUR, WE LOAN RATE STAYED THE SAME.
AND THAT'S WHY I VOTED FOR THIS BUDGET BECAUSE WE DID NOT RAISE ACTS UNFORTUNATELY.
PROPERTY, UH, PROPERTY VALUATIONS DID GO UP.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
UM, AND I, I KNOW 'CAUSE I'VE REALLY TOOK A DEEP DIVE IN THAT.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK AT IS EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT OUR HOUSING IS, WHAT TYPES OF HOUSING WE HAVE AND WHAT OUR OTHER FACTORS AFFECT.
I MEAN, KEEPING UTILITIES RATES AT A GOOD LEVEL, KEEPING, UM, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY POWER OF PC, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WHEN WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM THAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO NEGOTIATE THE BEST RATE, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP OUR WATER RATES.
UM, LOOK, HONESTLY, I USED TO THINK WE PAID HIGH WATER BILLS AND NOW I'M MEETING OTHER PEOPLES FROM OTHER CITIES THAT ARE PAYING WAY MORE THAN US.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S ASTOUNDING.
SO, UH, WE'RE STILL DOING PRETTY GOOD AS A CITY AND THAT'S WHY KYLE IS GROW, GROWING SO RAPIDLY.
PEOPLE STILL WANNA COME HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE AFFORDABLE, BUT MAKE, GETTING THE STUDY DONE IS PROBABLY IMPORTANT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MOVING FORWARD WE'RE VERY CAREFUL IN HOW WE IMPLEMENT ANY PROCEDURE AND MAKING SURE THAT TO KEEP THE CITY AFFORDABLE IS THAT WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE AS A CITY.
YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE DIOCESE, IT'S CITY STAFF AND EVERYBODY TOGETHER MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTH WE CAN AND WE'RE SPENDING THE RIGHT, UH, PLACES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO KEEP THE QUALITY OF LIFE ALIVE FOR KYLE.
SO, UH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE STUDY AS LONG AS WE'RE REAL CAREFUL ON WHAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING.
SO, UH, MY ONLY THOUGHTS ON IT IS TO KIND OF ACTUALLY PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MAYOR PRO TIMM JUST SAID, THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT AND SURVEY THE RESIDENTS, WE DO IT EVERY SINGLE YEAR AND YOU ASK THEM, WHAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU MOVED TO KYLE, THE 90 PLUS PERCENTAGE OF THE RESPONDENTS SAY THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT THEY MOVED TO KYLE WAS AFFORDABILITY.
KYLE IS, IT IS THE, IT IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE CITY IN THE AUSTIN METRO AREA, UH, AS IT RELATES TO MEDIAN INCOME VERSUS STARTING PRICE FOR A HOME.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY THAT THE THING WE NEED THE MOST IS DIVERSITY, UH, AND ECONOMIC DIVERSITY AS WELL AS, UH, TYPE.
AND PART OF WHAT MADE KYLE SO AFFORDABLE IS WE, UH, WE JUST STAMP, UH, INITIALLY WE JUST OVER AND OVER, UH, R ONE THREE BASICALLY IS THE ZONING TYPE.
YOU'RE TALKING 40 TO 50 FOOT LOTS.
THEY PROLIFERATE SMALL ENTRY LEVEL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS THE OVERWHELMING, PREDOMINANT, UH, HOUSING TYPE IN THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT AFFORDABLE, ENTRY LEVEL STARTER HOMES, EAST, WEST, NORTH, AND SOUTH IN THE CITY.
AND SO DO WE DO, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE? THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE CAN SAY.
BY THE WAY, WE ARE THE MOST AFFORDABLE TOWN AS RANKED BY OUR RESIDENTS AND AS RANKED IN THE AUSTIN REGION, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO BUY AND, UH, A HOME, WELL THAT INCLUDES APARTMENTS.
IT, IT CAN, SO THAT PART, THE RENTAL, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE, COMPARED TO OTHERS, NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE PREMISE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PARTLY LIKE, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT OUR HOUSING STOCK, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE US AFFORDABLE AND WHERE ARE THE GAPS? WHICH IS WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATED THE, THE WORD, UH, AFFORDABILITY GAPS BECAUSE WE ARE AFFORDABLE.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE, UH, TWO THIRDS OF ALL OF OUR HOUSES ARE STARTER HOMES, UH, IN THE CITY.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT VERY DIVERSE.
AND SO, BUT THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S MY THEORY.
I'D LOVE TO KNOW LOT LINES LIKE, UH, AT, AT THE STREETS, LIKE HOW MANY 30 FOOT LOTS, HOW MANY 40 FOOT LOTS, HOW MANY? 50, 60 AND, AND UP, BECAUSE LOT LINES HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT CHARTED OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD SEE, UH, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE, UH, RESIDENT SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THAT WEIGHTED? SO I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE PREMISE THAT KYLE IS NOT AFFORDABLE AND THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE.
YOU CAN TALK TO FOLKS WHO WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, BUT THE STATISTICS SAY 90 PLUS PERCENTAGE OF THE REASON EVERYONE MOVED HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S AFFORDABLE.
SO AS MUCH AS I CAN TALK, SO CUSTOMER, YEAH, THIS IS A FORWARD LOOK AT THE FUTURE.
THIS ISN'T PLAYING REVISIONIST HISTORY, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SPIT OUT AN ANSWER AS TO WHETHER, HOW AFFORDABLE ARE WE? THIS IS POLICY, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE CODE REWRITE THAT WE APPROVE THAT STAFF'S WORKING ON.
I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS CONCURRENTLY
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WILL HELP, UH, FUTURE COUNCILS MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MAKE REALLY STRONG DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS HERE, UM, IN OUR CITY AND ABOUT AFFORDABILITY WITH APARTMENTS.THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES HERE IN OUR CITY THAT HA OFFER, UM, UH, UH, RENT, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY HERE THAT ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE, HAVE THE FEWEST VACANCIES OF ANY IN OUR CITY.
SO, UH, I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE RULE, BUT IT'S JUST INTERESTING PIECE OF DATA THAT IS OUT THERE.
SO CAN I, CAN I JUST JUMP INTO NO, OF COURSE.
EVERYONE'S HAD A PIECE TO SAY, ALRIGHT, LET'S GO.
SO BACK ON AFFORDABILITY SOUNDS COUNTERINTUITIVE AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO VISUALIZE AND UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT GETS APPROVED WHEN WE MANAGE IT RIGHT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HELP KEEP THE CITY AFFORDABLE.
THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED AS WE GROW.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ONE PART OF IT.
AND THEN THE DENSITY PART, SOMETIMES BY HAVING DENSITY WITH RETAIL THAT, UH, UM, HELPS THE CITY NOT HAVE TO MAINTAIN SO FAR INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, STREETS, WATER LINES, WASTEWATER.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ALSO HELP IN AFFORDABILITY.
SO I, I THINK THAT THAT MESSAGE DOES NOT GET, UM, TRANSLATED OUT VERY MUCH THAT, SO SOMETIMES THERE IS THE BENEFIT OF THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE'S, THERE'S UNDEVELOPED LOTS AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY, UM, DEVELOPMENT FEES FOR IT.
AND YOU'RE GONNA GET TO A POINT WHERE THAT MONEY WILL SLOW DOWN AND NOW YOU'VE GOTTA MAINTAIN IT ALL.
SO, UM, YOU WANNA BUILD IT, UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE IT SET UP FOR THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE AFFORDABILITY COST.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A DESIGN.
THAT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE REALLY FAST GROWTH GROWTH PHASE RIGHT NOW.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 34, SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 34.
IS THERE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[35) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding an overview of the Library department.]
STEP AGENDA ITEM 35.RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE LIBRARY DEPARTMENT.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL SCOTT, DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY I HERE THIS EVENING TO JUST DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE LIBRARY DEPARTMENT OVERALL.
UH, THIS EVENING WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, OUR SUCCESSES THIS YEAR, CURRENT IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT WE HAVE ON THE HORIZON, AND SOME STAFF DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES THIS FISCAL YEAR TO REALIGN, UH, BEST, UH, DIRECTOR OR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT SORT OF CHAIN OF COMMAND, IF YOU WILL, IN REPORTING ARE SOME OF OUR SUCCESSES THIS YEAR.
UH, MANY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS SUCH AS COLORS OF KYLE TINY ART, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO LAUNCHING AGAIN THIS NEXT YEAR.
UH, TEEN JOB FAIR SUMMER READING PROGRAM.
A A RP TAX PROGRAM AND MANY OTHERS.
UH, WE DID ADD AN ADDITIONAL OUTREACH LIBRARIAN AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR, UH, THAT GROWTH, THE REEVALUATION OF PROCEDURES IN IMPLEMENTED WORKFLOW EFFICIENCIES.
WE CREATED A NEW UNIQUE MURAL IN THE CHILDREN'S AREA.
IF YOU'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO POP IN AND LOOK.
AND THEN, UH, SHARED LEARNING SPACE CONVERTED TO MORE FUNCTIONAL SPACE FOR UTILIZATION.
WE WERE AWARDED THE T-M-L-D-A LIBRARY OF EXCELLENCE AWARD.
A POLICY REVISION TEAM WAS CREATED AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON EDITS TO BRING TO YOU FOR OUR POLICIES.
WE, UH, PUT ALMOST 6,000 DVDS BACK IN THEIR CASES.
THEY WERE BEHIND THE DESK AND WE FOUND THAT THAT WASN'T THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF OUR TIME.
THE BUDGET WAS CREATED BY THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND WAS PASSED.
AND THEN WE DID ALSO PASS A STATE ACCREDITATION AS WELL.
A FEW THINGS ABOUT STATE ACCREDITATION.
I'VE PUT 23 AS OUR, UM, UH, WHAT WE SUBMITTED.
AND THEN 24 UNOFFICIAL BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT APPLIED YET FOR THAT.
SO OUR PHYSICAL CIRCULATION SIDE BY SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT INCREASED OUR ELECTRONIC CIRCULATION INCREASED AS WELL.
OUR PROGRAMS OFFERED IN PROGRAM ATTENDANCE WILL DECREASE, AND THAT IS DUE TO STANDARDS THAT THE STATE, UH, ADJUSTED IN OUR REPORTING THAT WE DO.
WE WILL NO LONGER, UH, COUNT MEETINGS THAT ARE NOT OURS.
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CANNOT COUNT THAT ON ACCREDITATION AS OUR OWN.SO THAT'S WHY WE WILL SEE A DECREASE.
AND THEN A LEVELING OUT OF A NORM OF PROGRAMMING AND THEN ATTENDANCE AND THEN OUR LIBRARY VISITS AS WELL.
UH, ALMOST 80,000 VISITS IN THAT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS AWESOME.
SCOTT, DOES THE, UM, ON THE LAST SLIDE, THE INCREASE, DO THE, LIKE IF SOMEBODY RENTS OUT THE SPACE, DOES THAT COUNT AS A LIBRARY VISIT OR IS IT COMPLETELY IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IF IT IS A BOOKED MEETING ROOM.
SO THAT'S WHY I USED HOA AS AN EXAMPLE.
IF SOMEONE ELSE IS BOOKED THE ROOM, THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS A LIBRARY PROGRAM.
UM, AND SO IN THE PAST THAT WAS BEING COUNTED AND ACCREDITATION HAS, UM, MADE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE NOT LIBRARY PROGRAMS. BUT IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A VISIT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW, IT DOES NOT ON OUR, ON OUR COUNTER BECAUSE WE, UH, THE, THE SECURITY THAT YOU WALK INTO THE LIBRARY, THAT IS THE PEOPLE COUNTER THE, THE TRACKING SYSTEM.
WE ARE LOOKING AT MORE OF A LASER, UH, TRACKING ON THE DOORS THAT COME INTO THE LOBBY BECAUSE THAT, THOSE DO COUNT AS VISITS.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EVEN A FAMILY, UH, COMES IN AND THEY ATTEND AN EVENT, MAYBE A PARENT, ONE PARENT AND CHILD COMES INTO THE LIBRARY, BUT MAYBE ANOTHER PARENT STAYS INTO THE MEETING ROOM.
WE ONLY CAPTURE THOSE TWO THAT WALKED IN THE DOOR.
SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO EXPONENTIALLY GROW BECAUSE WE DO GET TO COUNT THOSE VISITS.
THAT BUILDING IS A SERVICE IN ITSELF.
UH, CURRENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING, UH, WE ACQUIRED SOME NEW FURNITURE ACTUALLY FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, UH, FOR SOME TEEN USE.
AND THEY'RE USED ALL THE TIME AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND VIBRANT.
WE'RE UTILIZING EXISTING FURNITURE AND TECHNOLOGY FOR A MORE FUNCTIONAL FLOOR PLAN.
WE MOVE SOME STUDY CAROLS OUT AND THOSE ARE ALSO USED, UH, CONSISTENTLY.
WE'RE CREATING A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
AND OUR NEW SECURITY SYSTEM, UH, WILL BE IMPLEMENTED NEXT MONTH.
THE MASTER PLAN SCOPE OF SERVICE PROPOSAL.
I'LL BE COMING TO YOU VERY SOON ON THAT.
AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WHAT A MASTER PLAN WILL OFFER US.
A KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT OUR LIBRARY COULD BE, SHOULD BE AND WHAT OUR PUBLIC WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE.
THE BOOK A LIBRARIAN LAUNCHED AS WELL, THAT'S A ONE-ON-ONE TIME WITH, UH, THE LIBRARY STAFF FOR MORE IN-DEPTH QUESTIONS.
JUST NOT THOSE QUICK REFERENCE QUESTIONS, BUT SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE AN ACTUAL CONVERSATION.
OUR LOGO AND BRANDING WAS UPDATED AS YOU ALL KNOW.
TWO PART-TIME STAFF INCREASED TO FULL-TIME.
OUR INTEGRATED LIBRARY SYSTEM IS BEING CLEANED UP.
UH, THAT'S JUST MORE ABOUT OUR CATALOGING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CRISP AND CLEAN AND CLEAR.
WE, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, I DID PUT SOME VISUALS ON HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF CHANGES WE'VE MADE.
THERE'S A STORAGE CLOSET BEFORE THE DURING AND THE AFTER IMPLEMENTED SOME NEW SHELVING.
AND THEN, UH, OUR SEASONAL PROGRAM WE HAD BEEN DOING ONE MONTH AT A TIME, AND NOW WE'RE DOING MORE OF A, UH, SEASONAL.
THAT IS A WAY THAT FAMILIES CAN LOOK LONG TERM WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON, NOT JUST MONTH TO MONTH, BUT THEY MAY PLAN.
OUR RESIDENTS MAY PLAN ON WHAT'S COMING UP THAT THEY COULD ATTEND AS WELL.
ON THE HORIZON, WE ARE LOOKING AT QUOTES FOR AN INTERIOR CARPET AND PAINT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL PROBABLY COME TO YOU NEXT FISCAL WITH, BUT WE ARE EXPLORING THAT RIGHT NOW.
JUST TO REAL FRESHEN UP, WE'RE MODIFYING SHELVINGS FOR ACCOMMODATIONS.
WE'RE INVESTING IN SOUND BUFFERS, THE LIBRARY, BECAUSE IT IS SO OPEN, IT IS, IT CAN BE VERY LOUD.
SO THESE CLOUDS, I LIKE TO CALL 'EM THE CLOUDS, THE BLUE.
UH, THOSE ARE BEING ASSEMBLED, UH, RIGHT NOW TO HANG DOWN AND THEY'RE LIGHTWEIGHT, SURPRISINGLY LIGHT AND ABSORBS AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF, OF NOISE.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT EFFICIENT UTILIZATION OF SPACE AND THE COLLECTION FLOW, AND THEN ADDITIONAL, UH, PROGRAMS AS WELL.
WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR POINT OF SALE COPIER PRINTER THAT'S IN MARCO'S HANDS RIGHT NOW.
ACTUALLY A CREATION OF A MAKERSPACE WHERE WE'LL HAVE 3D PRINTING, PERHAPS SOME IRON TRANSFER SEWING MACHINES FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE IS VERY MUCH THAT HANDS-ON.
WE'RE CURRENTLY IN OUR FOOD FOR FINES FORGIVENESS PLAN, BECAUSE WE DID AWAY WITH OUR OVERDUE FINES.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING A TUNA CAN DRIVE AND IT GOES WONDERFULLY WITH THE MAC AND CHEESE DRIVE THAT WE PARTICIPATED WITH NOT TOO LONG AGO.
SO YOU BRING IN A CAN OF TUNA, YOU HAVE OVERDUE FINES, EVERY CAN TAKES OFF $2 OF YOUR OVERDUE FINES.
WE'RE INVESTIGATING A MORE ROBUST INTEGRATED LIBRARY SYSTEM.
UH, THE CURRENT SYSTEM WE HAVE IS FOR SMALL LIBRARIES, AND WE'RE NOT A SMALL LIBRARY.
WE'RE A MEDIUM, MEDIUM TO SOON TO BE MEDIUM LARGE LIBRARY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OFFSITE STORAGE FOR COLLECTION OVERFLOW RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T WANT TO AGGRESSIVELY WEED.
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WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW OUR COLLECTION FOR IT TO BE NEW AND VIBRANT.BUT, UH, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING A SATELLITE OPPORTUNITY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THOSE ITEMS IN OUR POSSESSION.
THE MOBILE LIBRARY IS DUE TO, UH, BE HERE AT THE END OF DECEMBER, BEGINNING OF JANUARY.
THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT VERY CLOSE TO THE INSIDE.
AND WE'RE PLANNING AND, UH, VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT OUTREACH.
UH, BOOKMOBILE COLLECTION ENHANCEMENTS.
THESE ARE NEW ITEMS THAT WE HAVE EITHER ADDED IN THE LAST 30 DAYS OR SOON TO BE ADDED.
THE READ ALONG BOOKS, THE HOTSPOTS, WORKING WITH IT TO GET HOTSPOTS THAT YOU CAN CHECK OUT.
UH, THE LAUNCH PADS FOR MEMORY ENHANCEMENT, BUT ALSO FOR LEARNING APPS AS WELL.
WE ADDED UKULELES UNIQUE KITS.
WE'RE INCREASING THE PHYSICAL COLLECTION.
WE'RE INCREASING THE DIGITAL COLLECTION.
WE'RE CREATING AN AREA JUST FOR THE TEXAS AWARD-WINNING ITEMS. MANY TIMES THE SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS, THEY ASSIGN THOSE AWARD-WINNING BOOKS.
YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OF THE BLUE BONNETS OR THE TWO BY TWOS.
AND SO WE'RE CREATING AN AREA JUST FOR THOSE SO THAT THOSE KIDDOS CAN COME IN AND THEY KNOW RIGHT, WHAT THEY'RE, UH, LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THEY WILL GET.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LAUNCHING THE 1000 BOOKS BEFORE KINDERGARTEN PROGRAM.
AS FAR AS STAFF DEVELOPMENT GOES, WE'RE DOING WEBINARS, MANY WEBINARS.
AND THEN, UH, ONE OF OUR STAFF ATTENDED THE A LSC CONFERENCE AND ANOTHER THE ABOS CON, UH, CONFERENCE.
WE'RE ATTENDING THE TLA CONFERENCE, ONE STAFF MEMBER'S DOING A MANAGEMENT COURSE, AND THEN MANY OF OUR STAFF ARE SHADOWING OTHER PARAPROFESSIONALS.
JUST THAT NETWORKING OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT OUR NEIGHBORING LIBRARIES ARE OFFERING AND HOW WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM AND SHARE IDEAS.
IN CLOSING, I WANNA SAY THAT WE HAVE THIS AWESOME FOUNDATION TO ONLY GROW FROM.
UH, WE HAVE A GREAT COLLECTION, A A GOOD FACILITY, AND THE EXCITEMENT OF THAT MASTER PLAN THAT I'LL BE BRINGING TO YOU SOON WILL DO AN IN-DEPTH STUDY OF KYLE, ITS RESIDENTS, WHAT THEIR WANTS AND NEEDS ARE FROM A LIBRARY, AND HOW CAN WE MEET THOSE IN SPACE, STAFFING, PROGRAMMING, OUTREACH, TECHNOLOGY, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. AND I DO WANT TO, UM, ALSO SAY THAT JESSICA MCCART DID AN AWESOME JOB OF FILLING IN THIS PAST YEAR IN BETWEEN, UM, IN BETWEEN DIRECTORS.
AND I REALLY COULDN'T BE PLEASED WITH WHAT SHE BROUGHT, MORE PLEASED WITH WHAT SHE BROUGHT TO YOU FOR BUDGET AND, UH, KEEPING US AFLOAT AND MOVING FORWARD.
SO QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALL RIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, TUUS? YES.
UH, I THINK A COUPLE YEARS AGO THEY HAD THE, A LINCOLN KIND OF ONLINE PROGRAM THAT YOU COULD DO AT THE LIBRARY FOR FREE WHERE, UH, RESIDENTS CAN GO AND TAKE AN ONLINE TRAINING CLASS OR JUST WHETHER IT WAS LIKE AN INTRODUCTION TO, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW, JUST BASKET WEAVING OR JUST WHATEVER IT WAS, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET CERTIFIED.
IS THAT STILL GOING ON? DID YOU, DO YOU KNOW OF BY CHANCE? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PAUL BROUGHT THAT YEAR A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
WE, WE DO HAVE LINKEDIN LEARNING, UH, MISSING LINKEDIN LEARNING.
SO, UH, WE'RE IN BETWEEN OUR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ARE, UH, RENEWING IT AND IT DOES HAVE A, A LOT OF CERTIFICATIONS AND CLASSES INVOLVED IN THAT.
EVERYTHING FROM SAT TO PLUMBING TO YES.
AND SO YES, WE DO CONTINUE TO OFFER THAT.
WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PROMOTING THOSE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM IT IN A WHILE, AND THAT'S WHY THAT, BECAUSE I THINK ALL YOU NEED IS JUST YOUR LIBRARY CARD NUMBER IN A SPECIFIC PASS PASSWORD, AND THEN YOU CAN BE ABLE TO GET IN AND ANYBODY NEEDED TO UPDATE THEIR RESUME.
IN FACT, ROSIE'S WORKING WITH US, UM, WITH THE HR DEPARTMENT TO, UH, MAKE SURE WE'RE PROMOTING THOSE INTERNALLY TO OUR CITY STAFF AS WELL.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, YOU SO MUCH.
[36) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on the creation of a Customer Assistance Program for residential utility accounts.]
LAST ITEM, UH, 36.RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION.
PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE CREATION OF A CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR RESIDENTIAL UTILITY ACCOUNTS.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE TO, UH, PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK AND GET SOME DIRECTION ABOUT A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR UTILITY BILLING.
UM, THE AUGUST 20TH COUNCIL MEETING, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, DIRECTED STAFF TO DEVELOP A CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM
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FOR RESIDENTIAL UTILITY ACCOUNTS.THE CITY OF KYLE CURRENTLY OFFERS ASSISTANCE TO ITS CUSTOMERS THROUGH DEFERRED PAYMENT AGREEMENTS, UH, CONNECTIONS WITH LOCAL NONPROFITS LIKE ST.
VINCENT DEPAUL AND SOUTHSIDE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND WAIVING CERTAIN FEES WHEN APPROPRIATE.
UH, WE DON'T TYPICALLY WAIVE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH CONSUMPTION OR USAGE OR DEPOSITS TO ESTABLISH SERVICE.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 13,814 RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS.
AVERAGE WATER USAGE OF, UH, 5,600 GALLONS PER MONTH.
UH, AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL UTILITY BILL, ALL SERVICES OF $148.
UM, AND THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS WITH EXTENDED PAYOUT AGREEMENTS RIGHT NOW, UH, OR WHEN WE PREPARED THIS FOR THE LAST POSTING OF THE AGENDA WAS, UH, 93, UH, DURATION RANGE FOR THOSE IS TYPICALLY BETWEEN TWO AND NINE MONTHS.
THE PURPOSE OF A UTILITY CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS TO PROVIDE UTILITY CUSTOMERS ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE WHEN THEY MAY BE EXPERIENCING FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES.
UH, WE LOOKED TO OUR PEER CITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD AND WHAT THEY OFFERED.
UH, WE FOUND GEORGETOWN, SAN MARCO, NEW BRAUN FALLS, AUSTIN, AND ROUND ROCK, ALL OFFERING FINANCIAL AS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS FOR UTILITY BILLS.
UH, FOUR OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE MANAGED BY A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A THIRD PARTY.
UH, ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS HAVE INCOME ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO, TO WORK TO BRING IN MORE DATA THERE.
UM, WE HAVE THREE PRIMARY AREAS OF POLICY CONSIDERATION THAT WE WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST IS PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY.
WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE? WHAT SERVICES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ASSISTANCE? UH, OUR SECOND POLICY AREA IS THE FUNDING SOURCE.
HOW WOULD WE FUND THIS PROGRAM? UM, AND THEN PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION, SHOULD THIS PROGRAM BE ADMINISTERED BY CITY STAFF OR THROUGH A PARTNER AGENCY? AND WE'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK AS WE GO.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THIS POLICY DIRECTION AROUND WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE.
UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT TO BE ELIGIBLE CITY OF KYLE CUSTOMERS MUST MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS IDENTIFIED BELOW TO QUALIFY FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.
UM, THEY MUST BE A CITY OF KYLE UTILITY CUSTOMER WITH SERVICES PROVIDED BY AND BILL BY THE CITY OF KYLE.
THEY MUST BE THE PRIMARY INDIVIDUAL UNDER WHOSE NAME THE UTILITY ACCOUNT IS REGISTERED AND ESTABLISHED.
AND THEY MUST BE A CITY OF KYLE UTILITY CUSTOMER WITH AN ACTIVE UTILITY ACCOUNT.
SO NOT AN ACCOUNT THAT HAS BEEN CLOSED.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT POLICY DIRECTION FOR WHAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE TO NOT COVER ACCOUNT DEPOSITS OR OTHER SERVICE APPLICATION OR NEW INITIATION FEES.
UM, BUT THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BE ELIGIBLE AND AUTHORIZED FOR USE OF FUNDS UNDER THE PROGRAM.
UM, FIRST BEING ALL UTILITY SERVICES PROVIDED BY AND BILL FOR BY THE CITY OF KYLE, WHICH MAY INCLUDE UTILITY SERVICES FOR WATER WASTEWATER SOLID WASTE AND STORM DRAINAGE.
UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE MONTHLY SERVICE CHARGES FOR UTILITY SERVICES, UM, AND WOULD INCLUDE, UH, ASSISTANCE ON LATE PAYMENT PENALTIES.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IN, UH, INCOME ELIGIBILITY CONSIDERATIONS, WE LOOK, I MEAN AT THIS HANDY CHART THAT SPEAKS TO, UH, THE 2024 ADJUSTED INCOME LIMITS BY HOUSEHOLD SIZE FOR THE HAYES COUNTY METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA.
UM, VERY LOW INCOME IS CONSIDERED THE 30% LIMIT.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE BY HOUSEHOLD SIZE HOW THAT RANGES FROM 26,000 UP TO 55,000.
UM, AND THAT THE LOW AMOUNT WOULD BE THE 50% LIMIT, RANGING FROM 44,000 UP TO 93,000.
UM, MODERATE INCOME IS CONSIDERED 68,000 UP TO 144,000.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND LIMITING OUR PROGRAM TO FOLKS THAT ARE LOW OR VERY LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER, UH, EVIDENCE AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE VERIFYING INCOME ELIGIBILITY, WE WOULD WANNA CONSIDER EVIDENCE OF ENROLLMENT IN ESTABLISHED PROGRAMS TO VERIFY ELIGIBILITY NOTE.
UM, APPLICABILITY OF THESE PROGRAMS IS DEPENDENT ON THE INCOME LEVEL IDENTIFIED BY COUNSEL FOR THIS PROGRAM.
SO, UH, SOME OF THESE MIGHT NOT APPLY IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE A HIGHER OR A LOWER, UM, PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY THRESHOLD.
UH, RIGHT NOW, 130% FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL IS APPROXIMATELY 30% MEETING FAMILY INCOME.
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SO YOU COULD TAKE A PROGRAM LIKE SNAP OR SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, UM, TO QUALIFY FOR SNAP, YOU WOULD REQUIRE YOU HAVE TO BE AT 130% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL.IF SOMEONE CAME TO US AND WAS REQUESTING ASSISTANCE THROUGH OUR CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THEY COULD PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THEY WERE, UM, PRESENTLY ENROLLED IN SNAP, WE WOULD TAKE THAT AS CONFIRMATION THAT THEY MEET THE APPROPRIATE INCOME ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
RIGHT? UM, OR SUPPLEMENTAL SECURITY INCOME, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL.
UM, OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER, WE WOULD FLUSH ALL THIS OUT IN THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES WOULD BE, UM, PARTICIPATION OR ENROLLMENT IN CHIP, UH, THE TELEPHONE LIFELINE PROGRAM, MEDICAL ACCESS PROGRAM, UH, VETERANS AFFAIRS SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OR MEDICAID.
UM, AS FAR AS HOW WE WOULD FUND THIS, UM, COUNSEL HAS THE, UM, ABILITY TO AUTHORIZE A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE ANNUALLY AT AN AMOUNT APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
UM, OR THEY CAN AUTHOR OR YOU CAN AUTHORIZE, UM, PROGRAM FUNDING THAT IS SUPPORTED BY OTHER UTILITY CUSTOMERS BY ROLLING UP THEIR BILL TO FUND FUTURE, UH, PARTICIPATION.
RIGHT? SO IF I HAVE A BILL THAT IS $25, OR I COULD ROLL IT UP TO $30, OR I COULD ROLL IT UP FROM 25, 50 TO $26 TO HELP BUILD A POOL OF FUNDS TO SUSTAIN THE PROGRAM, UH, OVER THE LONG TERM, I THINK THAT'S STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, TO START THIS PROGRAM IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THAT WE SET ASIDE SOME AMOUNT OF FUNDING, UM, TO HELP SEED THE, THE POOL, SO TO SPEAK, UH, AND THAT WE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE THE SECOND OPTION IN THE FUTURE.
UM, WE WOULD'VE TO FIGURE OUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH OUR EXISTING UTILITY BILLING PROGRAMS. SO FOR OPTION ONE ON THE FUNDING, WE WOULD, WE WERE THINKING, UM, THAT A GOOD STARTING POINT WOULD BE $30,000, UM, THAT THE AVERAGE UTILITY BILL AT $148, THAT THIS WOULD, UH, A $30,000 PROGRAM BUDGET WOULD APPROXIMATELY ASSIST, UM, TWO WITH 200 ONE-TIME PAYMENTS, UH, FOR LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS.
SO FROM THE ADMINISTRATION PERSPECTIVE, UM, WE CAN AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PROGRAM, OR IDENTIFY CITY STAFF TO MANAGE THE PROGRAM ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF KYLE.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UH, OPTION ONE, UM, TO EXPLORE A PARTNERSHIP WITH A THIRD PARTY.
WHY DO YOU NEED A THIRD PARTY TO DO THIS? UH, TO ADMINISTER THE FUNDS, TO DO THE INCOME ELIGIBILITY AND TO ENSURE THAT ANYBODY THAT IS TAKING PART IN THE PROGRAM, UM, MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM.
UM, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LIFT, RIGHT? UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR PEER CITIES THAT HAVE THESE, UH, KIND OF PROGRAMS, THEY ALSO PARTNER WITH THIRD PARTIES, THEY'RE ABLE TO THEN BETTER LEVERAGE FUNDS WHERE THEY CAN MAYBE GET ASSISTANCE WITH US AND THEN LEVERAGE OTHER, UM, AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE FINANCIAL SUPPORT IN, IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS.
I, I GUESS IF YOU DON'T MIND, I GUESS IF YOU, IF WE LOOK AT THAT MAYOR, LET'S SAY WE GET THIS PROGRAM GOING IN, LET'S SAY IN A YEAR OR TWO WE'RE ABLE TO GET A GRANT, UH, FOR SOME KIND OF ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
UH, AND THEN IT GOES UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THEN WE COULD HAVE A THIRD PARTY REALLY TAKE OVER THE FUNDING AND MAKING SURE THE, THE ACCOUNT IS CORRECT, MAKE SURE TAXES ARE DONE, UH, PAPERWORK TRANSPARENCY AND SO FORTH.
UH, I GUESS THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT VERSUS IF WE HAD A STAFF MEMBER, THEN WE'D HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL THE NECESSARY RESOURCES FOR THAT.
THE TRAINING, THE, THE TAX CODE TRAINING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES, COMES ALONG WITH IT.
AND THERE ARE PARTNER AGENCIES THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS KIND OF WORK.
UM, AND THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY EAGER TO PARTNER WITH US TO BETTER SERVE THEIR, UM, THEIR CUSTOMER BASE THAT ARE ALREADY PROBABLY RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF KYLE.
I, I THINK THE, THE BENEFIT I'VE SEEN FOR, UH, A NON-PROFIT THAT'S A THIRD PARTY IS THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT.
THESE ARE THE CRITERIA, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO ADMINISTER.
AND THEN WHEN A, A RESIDENT NEEDS TO COME IN AND USE THAT SERVICE, SOMETIMES IT'S SENSITIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM MEDICALLY, PERHAPS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEIR INCOME, UH, VARIOUS ISSUES THAT THEY NEED TO EXPLORE.
AND SITTING DOWN WITH A THIRD PARTY THAT'S INDEPENDENT MM-HMM,
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL FIND FOLKS THAT MAY, UH, BE IN HOUSING CRISIS.
THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND IT'S A CHANCE TO PROVIDE A BRIDGE TO OTHER SERVICES.
AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, NOT THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT, DEPENDS ON HOW LARGE THE PROGRAM IS TO, AND
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REALLY HOW MUCH NEED WE SEE.YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY, YEAH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT SOMEONE IN OUR COMMUNITY GOING THROUGH, IT COULD BE SOMETHING AS AN EMERGENCY SURGERY WHERE THEY'RE OUT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF WORK.
I MEAN, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH CIRCUMSTANCE WISE.
UH, IT COULD BE A JUST A QUICK LAYOFF, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT WARNING, YOU JUST KNOW.
I'M GLAD WE'RE EXPLORING THIS.
THE ONLY THING I REALLY WANT TO CLARIFY ON AND GET A CLARIFICATION ON IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE DON'T WAIVE FEES, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I I WAS WONDERING IS WE DON'T, I, I DON'T WANT TO WAIVE FEES FOR DISCONNECTION OR RECONNECTION OR NEW SERVICE, BUT THE LATE FEE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT A PARTNER LIKE ST.
VINCENT DE PAUL OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT COMING IN TO PAY FOR SOMEBODY'S, UH, WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, A PASSED WATER BILL.
I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING LATE FEES ON THAT.
AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT NOW WE'RE PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THIS NONPROFIT THAT COULD BE HELPING MORE FAMILIES.
A LATE FEE IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT HURTING US IN THE CITY.
IF WE WAIVED IT CONNECTION FEES, WE HAVE SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY GOING OUT THERE.
BUT LATE FEES IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE PUTTING A BURDEN ON THESE NONPROFITS THAT ARE TRYING TO HELP OUT.
AND WE DO, UM, WE DO WAIVE IN THOSE KIND OF SITUATIONS.
WE DO WORK WITH, UH, THE NONPROFITS TO, TO WAIVE THE LATE FEES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT.
I KIND OF WANNA SEE IT AUTOMATIC.
IF WE HAVE A NONPROFIT COMING IN TO, UH, PAY SOMEBODY'S, UH, BILL, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING ON THAT BURDEN OF LATE FEES ONTO THIS NONPROFIT.
WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT MAKING A CHANGE, BUT I, I THINK PART OF THE LATE FEE IS TO ALSO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS AND TO, TO WORK WITH A PARTY TO HELP ON ASSISTANCE AND TO NOT WAIT YEP.
UNTIL YOU'RE GETTING DISCONNECTED OR RIGHT BEFORE THAT I, I UNDERSTAND ON THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT ONCE HE, THEY'RE, ONCE THAT INDIVIDUAL FINDS THAT, UH, HELP, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE NONPROFITS THAT ARE WILLING TO I GOTCHA.
AREN'T PAYING DOLLARS INTO LATE FEES.
A LATE FEE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TRY TO MAKE THEM PAY.
BUT NOW WE HAVE A NONPROFIT THAT'S WILLING TO PAY.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THAT BURDEN ON THAT NONPROFIT.
COUNCILOR HAZARD, QUICK QUESTION.
HE CAN GO, SO IS THIS GONNA WORK, UH, AS LIKE A ONETIME ASSISTANCE FOR SOMEONE WHO'S FOR UTILITY ASSISTANCE? I MEAN, IS THIS ONETIME HELP? SO IT, IT COULD BE STRUCTURED AS A, AS ONE-TIME ASSISTANCE.
IT COULD BE STRUCTURED AS, YOU KNOW, LIMITED TIME ASSISTANCE.
SO I GUESS IF A HOUSEHOLD IS HAVING TROUBLE DIFFICULTY FOR FIVE MONTHS, THEY COULD RECEIVE $144 FIVE TIMES POTENTIALLY.
IF THAT'S, IF THE PROGRAM, IF THAT'S THE NEED ALLOWS IT.
IF THAT'S THE NEED, IF THAT'S HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DURATION, AVERAGE DURATION OF OUR EXTENDED PAYOUT AGREEMENTS, THEY ARE BETWEEN TWO AND NINE MONTHS.
WE WANNA BE MINDFUL THAT, UM, WHEN FOLKS ARE HAVING A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, IT'S NOT OFTEN SOMETHING THAT IS RESOLVED IN A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS.
AND SO WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, BE POSITIONED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HELPING FOLKS, UM, BUT WITH A PROGRAM THE SIZE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS THIS INITIAL, AS THIS INITIAL TRIAL, UM, OF ONLY $30,000, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S ONLY 200 PAYMENTS, ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE AVERAGE SIZED.
AND SO, I MEAN, THERE'S BALANCE THERE TOO.
IF THAT'S DIRECTION THAT, THAT WANTS TO, THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE, THAT CAN BE STRUCTURED INTO THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES.
WELL, THAT'S HOW YOU, THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THE $30,000 NUMBER QUICKER, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
IF IT'S MULTIPLE MONTHS PLUS LATE, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE CUSTOMER COULD GET A THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM STUDENTS.
WE'RE LIMITING PEOPLE TO, UH, ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, PER YEAR.
SO THAT WAY IT GIVES MORE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP.
I MEAN, SO IT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP, YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO SUPPORT SOMEBODY, BUT I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE CAN HAVE THINGS, BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY TRYING TO KEEP A LIMITATION ON IT BECAUSE I HATE TO SAY PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP BUT NOT CARRY A BURDEN ON SOMEONE COUNCIL, ER.
UH, ROSIE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THIS $30,000? WHEN WOULD THIS EXPIRE? UH, I THINK WE WOULD SET THIS WHEN WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY OR AT WHAT DATE? YEAH.
PARDON? OR AT WHAT DATE? UH, I, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE WHEN WE HAVE NO MORE MONEY.
UM, BUT I, I ALSO DON'T, I'M, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT BY THE TIME WE HAD THIS STOOD UP AND RUNNING, THERE WOULD BE NEEDS THAT WOULD, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND THE 30,000 WITHIN THE, THE FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE MY GUESS.
AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO BOTH OPTIONS RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE OPTION TWO IS NO
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COST TO THE CITY.BUT I DON'T KNOW IF OUR, IF OUR BILLING SOFTWARE CAN HANDLE THAT, UH, AND HOW THAT WOULD, HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN, IN OPERATION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE RIGHT AWAY.
UM, BUT IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET PROGRAM GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED AND GET A THIRD PARTY, UH, ADMINISTRATOR ON BOARD AND WE'RE READY TO, TO PUSH GO, BUT THERE'S A LIMITATION ON HOW OUR, OUR TECHNOLOGY CAN TAKE THAT.
I WOULDN'T WANNA HOLD THE PROGRAM UP FOR THAT.
SO I GUESS WOULD WE NEED A THIRD, THE, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR IN THE CONTEXT OF WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM, BUT WOULD WE NEED THAT ADMINISTRATOR TO, UM, WOULD THEY BRING SOME SORT OF SOFTWARE THAT WOULD ALLOW US THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT? NO, THIS WOULD BE PART OF, I MEAN, THE WAY I'VE SEEN IT, UM, IN, IN OTHER UTILITIES IS IT'S JUST PART OF THE BILLING THAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? SO I HAVE A BILL AND I WANNA ROUND UP FOR AN EXTRA $5.
I WANNA DONATE AN EXTRA $20 TO THIS FUND, UH, IF THAT, THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OUR TYLER BILLING SYSTEM.
AND WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RECEIVE THE MONEY FOR THE UTILITY ACCOUNTS AND THEN EX, YOU KNOW, PULL THE EXCESS OVER TO A SEPARATE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME POLICY QUESTIONS TOO FOR THE COUNCIL ON THAT IS, I, I'VE SEEN IT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
IT CAN BE EVERYONE'S OPTED INTO THE ROUNDUP PROGRAM UNLESS YOU TELL US YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN IT, WHICH SOMETIMES YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET IF THAT HAPPENS.
UM, AND THEN YOU ALSO CAN HAVE OPTIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN SAY, I'M GONNA PAY MY BILL, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE A DONATION OF MM-HMM,
I THINK PROBABLY THE DONATION PIECE IS VERY SIMPLE.
I DON'T KNOW THE ROUNDUP WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY, BUT THERE'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT THAT WE COULD DO IT.
BUT I THINK THOSE, THOSE, THERE ARE SOME POLICY QUESTIONS.
I THINK I SAW SEVERAL OF YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANNA JUST AUTOMATICALLY OPT PEOPLE IN.
YEAH, I DON'T, IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW WHAT, GETTING TO THE CUSTOMER BASE AND ASKING THEM, ARE YOU WILLING TO OPT INTO THIS? AND, AND GETTING ENOUGH PEOPLE TO BE INTERESTED IN THAT NEW ACCOUNTS, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO THAT.
BUT ONCE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING ACCOUNT, IT'S, IT'S HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE ON THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE POSSIBLY WOULD SUPPORT OPTION ONE, UM, HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT CAPABILITIES WE COULD FIND IN THE FUTURE TO HELP FUND THIS.
I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD OPT PEOPLE INTO THIS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT PERFECT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA JUMP IN HERE? NO.
UH, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF OR, OR TO APPROVE OPTION ONE FOR ITEM NUMBER 36.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARSLEY TO APPROVE.
UH, OPTION ONE FOR 30, UH, ITEM 36 IS 30.
CAN WE SEE THAT AGAIN? WELL, SO I MEAN IT, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL POLICIES.
SO LET ME JUST, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT ON ELIGIBILITY.
AS WE'VE STATED THAT YOU NEED TO BE A UTILITY CUSTOMER SERVICE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A UTILITY CUSTOMER SERVICE ACCOUNT TO BE THE PERSON WHO'S ON THE ACCOUNT TO APPLY FOR IT.
UM, AND THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE AN ACTIVE ACCOUNT THAT IT CAN'T BE CLOSED.
AND SO IF THERE'S AGREEMENT ON THAT, THEN STAFF WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS ELIGIBLE, UM, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT, UM, ELIGIBLE USE OF FUNDS WOULD BE, UM, UTILITY SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR, OR PROVIDED BY AND BILLED FOR BY THE CITY OF KYLE, UM, TO INCLUDE WATER WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE AND STORM DRAINAGE.
UM, MONTHLY SERVICE CHARGES FOR UTILITY SERVICES.
AND THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OF THE LATE PAYMENT PENALTIES.
IF WE WANT TO, IF THEY'RE OPTING INTO THIS PROGRAM, DO WE WAIVE THE PENALTIES AUTOMATICALLY OR DO WE APPLY THE FUNDS TOWARDS THE PENALTIES? POSSIBLY WE CAP IT PER PERSON AS OPPOSED TO THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU GET THERE.
SO AS OPPOSED TO THINKING LIKE, OH, WHICH BUCKET ARE THEY PULLING OUT? LIKE WE SAY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT X NUMBER OF LATE PAYMENTS, X NUMBER OF FEES, BUT THE, SO THE CAP THAT YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE ELIGIBLE, BUT THE MAX YOU CAN GET IS $250 OR $500 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER WOULD BE.
THEN IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO JUST GET THERE.
PLUS WE CAN HAVE A, A LIMITED EXPOSURE PER CUSTOMER, AT LEAST IN THE INITIAL.
UH, THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS TDS.
SO WE HAVE A UNIQUE ARRANGEMENT.
SO THE BILL THAT WE SEND OUT FOR TRASH COLLECTION IS SEPARATE.
IT'S A FEE THAT WE COLLECT ON BEHALF OF A THIRD PARTY.
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AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN.SO WE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD RECEIVABLE SYSTEM WITH TDS, BUT WE SHOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S FARTED OUT SO THAT WE DON'T FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE TDS IS UH, CHARGING US BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WHO PAY TDS BASED ON WHAT WE COLLECT.
UH, AND SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA WANNA RUN THAT TRAP.
PERVE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT 'CAUSE HE HELPED US WRITE THAT LANGUAGE THAT WORKS OUT IN OUR FAVOR.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T RUN AFOUL OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH TDS ON THAT.
UM, MAYOR, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT THIS ISN'T A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA STAND UP.
THIS IS, WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS NOW AND WE WILL BRING THIS FULL POLICY BACK WITH THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN TO RUN THROUGH EXACTLY HOW IT WOULD WORK AND BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL BEFORE IT WAS EVER STOOD UP.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN ON THAT NOTE, LET'S VOTE.
I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THIS AS DIFFICULT AS POSSIBLE FOR ME, AREN'T YOU? MM-HMM.
WELL, I KNOW BECAUSE I CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT.