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ALL RIGHT.[I) Call Meeting to Order, Roll Call, and Excuse Absences]
EVERYONE.THE TIME IS 7:07 PM IT'S TUESDAY, JANUARY 7TH.
I'M GONNA CALL THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE TRUTH.
THE REPUBLIC ALLEGIANCE STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PAROLE.
WOULD THE CITY SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MITCHELL.
ZUNIGA PRESENT HARRIS MCKINNEY.
[II) Approval of Minutes]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, MEETING ON DECEMBER THE 12TH AND ALSO THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD DECEMBER 23RD, 2024.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIA, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[III) Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
COMMENTS, PERIOD.AT THIS TIME, WE ASK ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO, PLEASE DO SO.
WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND THAT YOU DIRECT THOSE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A CITIZEN COMMENTS FORM AND SUBMIT THAT TO EITHER MYSELF OR THE CITY SECRETARY.
I HAVE, UH, FOUR REGISTERED TO SPEAK.
I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN KYLE AND I'M ALSO A PHILOSOPHY PROFESSOR AT TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY, WHERE I TEACH SUBJECTS LIKE ETHICS AND CRITICAL THINKING.
ON MY WAY INTO CAMPUS, I TAKE STAGECOACH SOUTH AND I PASS BY THIS BEAUTIFUL AND OLD OAK TREE THAT YOU ALL HAVE VOTED TO CUT DOWN.
MY HOPE IS THAT THIS CITY FINDS A WAY TO KEEP THE TREE WHERE IT IS.
AS SOMEONE WHO TEACHES CRITICAL THINKING, IT STRIKES ME THAT THERE IS A FALSE DICHOTOMY PRESENTED ABOUT THIS TREE.
EITHER WE MOVE THE TREE WITH NO GUARANTEE THAT THE TREE WILL SURVIVE, OR WE CUT DOWN THE TREE TO WIDEN THE ROAD TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR ANYONE WHO'S ACTUALLY SPENT TIME AT THIS TREE.
YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE THAT THERE IS A THIRD OPTION.
WE CAN KEEP THE TREE WHERE IT IS AND WIDEN THE ROAD AT THE SAME TIME.
I IMPLORE THE COUNCIL TO REVISIT AND REDRAW THE PLANS REGARDING THE ROAD AND THE VIBE TRAIL SLATED TO GO ON THE WEST SIDE OF STAGECOACH.
I THINK AS INTELLIGENT AND COMPASSIONATE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER, WE CAN COME UP WITH A CREATIVE SOLUTION, ONE THAT PRIORITIZES THE PRESERVATION OF KYLE'S HISTORY IN GREENERY OF WHICH THIS STAGECOACH SO-CALLED PORTER OAK TREE BEING AROUND 400 YEARS OLD.
AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, I PROPOSE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT THIS TREE AS A FOCAL POINT RATHER THAN AS A NUISANCE OR A PROBLEM.
PERHAPS WE CAN PUT IT IN A SO-CALLED VIBE SPOT IN THE VICINITY WHERE FOLKS LIKE CYCLISTS AND WALKERS CAN REVEL IN THE TREE'S.
THERE IS AN OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT ABOUT THIS TREE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AT LEAST A THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED OR LIKED IN FAVOR OF SAVING THIS TREE.
OUR ONLINE PETITION HAS GARNERED ALMOST A THOUSAND SIGNATURES AS WELL.
WHEN I AM OUT AT THE TREE HOLDING UP A SIGN THAT SAYS, DON'T CUT ME DOWN, SO MANY PEOPLE HONK.
THEY WAVE, THEY GIVE A THUMBS UP, OR THEY STOP A TALK.
ONE GENTLEMAN, FOR EXAMPLE, SHARED THAT HE'S BEEN DRIVING BY THIS TREE FOR 60 YEARS AND HE THINKS IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO CUT THIS TREE DOWN TO WIDEN A ROAD IN CONTRAST TO THIS EXPONENTIAL GROWTH AND CHANGE THAT OUR CITY EXPERIENCES.
NOW, THIS TREE IS A STEADY FIXTURE, A PART OF OUR DEEP ROOTS TO THIS LAND.
NATIVE AMERICANS, CONORS, MEXICANS, ANGLO SETTLERS, AND FREED SLAVES ALL TRAVELED THROUGH KYLE ON STAGECOACH PASSED THIS TREE ON THE CAMINO ROYALE.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION, NAY THE PRIVILEGE TO LOOK AFTER THIS LEGACY.
I HOPE THAT YOU WILL JOIN US IN THIS EFFORT TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT IT.
MAYOR PROTO COUNSEL, UM, SPEAKING, UH, AS A PLANNING ZONING COMMISSIONER SEAT FOUR.
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ITEM 24 ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.AND IF YOU'VE NOT HAD AN ABILITY TO DO SO OR THE TIME, I WOULD, UH, URGE YOU TO REVIEW PAGE TWO QUICKLY, IF NOT FOR THIS PURPOSE.
BUT YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE ITEM COMES UP, THIS REGARD IS REGARDS AN APPEAL TO COUNCIL REGARDING A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTE THREE TO TWO.
THAT TURNED DOWN AN APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUEST FOR RES REVISION TO THE, UH, BUILDING FACADE.
THE RE ORIGINALLY WE HAD APPROVED A BUILDING FACADE IN AUGUST OF 2023, SO IT HAD BEEN 16 MONTHS THAT HAD PASSED AND THEY WANTED A REVISION REGARDING PUTTING UP OVERHEAD DOORS.
THEY WERE NOT SEGMENTED GLASS OR TRANSPARENT MATERIALS, BUT ALL METAL DOORS IN THE OVERLAY ZONE.
SO LISTENING TO WHAT WAS SAID TO US, WE DECIDED THREE TO TWO TO VOTE AGAINST MAKING THAT FACADE CHANGE OR ALLOWING IT.
THE THREE THAT VOTED FOR THE, UH, THE REF REFUSAL REALLY HELD THE POSITION THAT THERE WAS NO CONSISTENCY HERE.
WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSED THAT AT IN AUGUST OF 2023 AND NOW THE PROJECT'S BEING COMPLETED.
UM, WHY NOW? AND WE WANTED CONSISTENCY.
THE TWO WHO VOTED AGAINST IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO REPRESENTATIVES SAYING THEY WANTED TO BE PRACTICAL IN LOOKING AT WHAT CHANGE WAS REQUESTED.
THE CHANGE WAS FOR ALL MIDDLE DOORS.
OKAY? SO IN TRYING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, UH, MATTER WITH THE APPLICANT, WE WERE TOLD THAT FIRST OF ALL, UM, IT WASN'T A PROBLEM.
THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY APPLIED FOR IN AUGUST 23 AND DECEMBER 24, THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE OF THE ARCHITECT AND THE RENDERING HAD BEEN WRONG, WHICH WAS FRANKLY DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF US TO ACCEPT THAT HAD GONE THAT LONG WITH NO CORRECTION.
WHY WOULD YOU NOT, UH, BE ABLE TO RULE ON THIS? WE WERE TOLD, UM, THIS IS A PUD, YOU DON'T HAVE REAL AUTHORITY OVER THIS KIND OF CHANGE IN A PUD, THIS GARAGE DOOR.
IT WOULD BE VERY JUSTIFIABLE TO PUT UP THIS KIND OF OVERHEAD DOOR, ALL METAL.
OKAY? WHEN QUESTIONED ON THAT, THE SECOND ITEM WAS THEN, WELL, THE OVERLAY CODE LETS US DO THIS.
YOU'RE NOT READING THE CODE, RIGHT? MEANING THE STAFF OR US.
OKAY? AND THEN THE FOURTH POINT, THIS IS JUST SUMMARIZING ROUGHLY IN THREE MINUTES, WAS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE DOORS AND IT'S $175,000 BILL, UM, TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO THE PROBLEM WAS THERE WAS JUST NO ROOM FOR, UH, FOR US TO, TO WORK WITH THIS, GIVEN WHAT WE HAD BEEN TOLD IN OUR, THE VIEW OF THREE OF US.
UM, THERE WERE NO IDEAS ABOUT MITIGATION OR ANY KIND OF CHANGES, AND WE WOULD JUST URGE THE COUNCIL TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT THIS AND LOOK AT PAGE TWO, BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THESE THINGS I'M AFRAID IS IT'S EASIER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN PERMISSION.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, OR NEXT UP TRACY SHIELD.
I AM A RESIDENT, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA FOR WATERLOO FALLS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO, UH, MR. JOHN DAVIS, OUR, UM, CONSERVATION DIRECTOR AT THE PARKS, UH, DEPARTMENT.
HE HAS WORKED TIRELESS WITH US IN REGARDS TO A SITUATION WITH FERAL HOGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING COMING OUTTA WATERLOO PARK.
AND BELIEVE ME, OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE NOT BEEN MAKING IT VERY EASY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN TAMPERING WITH IT A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN OF COURSE, NEW YEAR'S EVE HAPPENED AND, UM, YEAH, UH, THAT'S MY NEXT ITEM.
IF FIREWORKS ARE GONNA BE A ILLEGAL IN THE CITY, PLEASE, LET'S, LET'S EITHER DO IT OR JUST SAY FORGET IT.
UM, A LOT OF YEARS, ESPECIALLY IN WATER LEAF, WATER LEAF HAS BEEN BAD, DO NOT GET ME WRONG.
BUT THIS YEAR, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PEOPLE CAME UP WITH THE MONEY.
FOR THE PROFESSIONAL GRADE FIREWORKS THAT WERE DONE THIS YEAR.
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AND LOUD.WE HAD SOME CANNONS GOING OFF IN WATER LEAF AND THOSE POOR HOGS, I, I FELT BAD FOR THEM.
YOU KNOW, BESIDES ALL OUR PETS, OUR VETS AND OUR BABIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I WAS FEELING BAD FOR THE HOGS.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT FIREWORKS ARE ILLEGAL, THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO DIMINISH THAT.
UM, AND AS A FORMER P AND Z COMMISSIONER, I WAS ONE OF THE, UM, DENYING VOTES TO THAT, UM, THE GARAGE DOORS.
AND SO I AGREE WITH MR. UH, STEGEL IN REGARDS TO WHAT HE WAS, UH, SAYING AND, YOU KNOW, HOW HE PARAPHRASED THAT.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, AND I WAS GONNA COME TO A MEETING BEFORE CHRISTMAS, SO THIS IS KIND OF MY CHRISTMAS WISH.
I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO A COUPLE OF YOU.
UM, THE RIGHT LANE ON ONE 50 TURNING, UH, UH, COMING WESTBOUND, TURNING NORTH ONTO, UH, IH 35.
WHEN YOU GUYS GO TO TXDOT AND TRY AND GET THAT EASEMENT FOR 1 58, CAN WE TRY TO MAKE THAT A RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE, PLEASE? BECAUSE PEOPLE LOVE TO JUST JUMP INTO THAT LANE TO GET AROUND ALL THE PEOPLE GOING STRAIGHT AND JUMP IN AND TRY AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT JUST BLOCKS THAT LANE AND JUST MAKES THAT LANE EVEN LONGER AND LONGER, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING.
AND MATTER OF FACT, I WAS COMING HERE FOR A MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I SAW A DOLLAR GENERAL TRUCK DO IT, SO PLEASE.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM FOR HEARING ME TODAY.
UH, I'M CONSIDERING MY COMMENT ON THIS CHILLY NIGHT.
UH, I AM A RESIDENT OF KYLE AND I'M HERE TO TALK TO Y'ALL ABOUT RETHINKING AND REVOLTING ON THE OLD STAGE COACH, UH, 400 YEAR OLD TREE.
UM, IT WAS LOVINGLY NAMED THE PORTER OAK BY THE COMMUNITY WITH, WITH A TON OF SUPPORT, AS CASEY MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, ONLINE, UM, AND IN PERSON WITH HONKS WAVES, PEOPLE STOPPING.
UM, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A FEW DAYS AND THE ENERGY IS JUST AMAZING.
THE DIAMETER IS 60 INCHES WITH A CIRCUMFERENCE OF 180 INCHES.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT KYLE SHOULD HAVE MORE ORDINANCES FOR ITS TREES TO PROTECT TREES OF THIS LARGE NATURE.
UM, WHEN CONSIDERING THE OPTIONS FOR WIDENING THE ROAD THAT IT SITS ON, THE COUNCIL ONLY CONSIDERED TWO OPTIONS.
EITHER MOVE THE TREE SOMEWHERE ELSE OR CHOP IT DOWN AND CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF IT.
I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, THERE'S AMPLE ROOM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD TO EXPAND IT INTO MORE LANES.
I'VE HEARD THERE'S SPACE GOING TO BE USED FOR THE VIBE TRAIL, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO THE DESIGN AND WORKING WITH, UM, THE CONTRACTORS AND, UH, CITY DESIGNERS AND PLANNERS AND THINKING, UH, A LITTLE BIT HARDER ON WHAT WE COULD DO TO SAVE SOMETHING THAT IS LITERALLY KYLE HERITAGE AND BE PROUD OF IT.
AND, UH, AND I THINK THE PORTER OAK IS WORTH CURVING THE ROAD.
UM, PEOPLE GO THROUGH THAT ROAD VERY QUICKLY.
UM, IT'S A PINCH POINT, UM, AS I'VE SEEN SOME PEOPLE CALL IT, UM, THEY SLOW DOWN SO OTHER CARS CAN GO THROUGH, BUT I'VE SEEN PEOPLE GO THROUGH LITERALLY AT LIKE 60 MILES AN HOUR WHILE OUT THERE.
SO CURVING THE ROAD WOULD MAKE THEM GO SLOWER ANYWAY, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT MORE SAFE FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS ON EACH SIDE.
UM, I'LL CONTINUE TO PROTEST ITS REMOVAL AND MY HOPE IS THAT THE CITY WILL WORK MORE CLOSELY TO DESIGN THE DEVELOPING CITY WITH NATURE IN MIND AND WITH HARMONY IN MIND.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE THINK, UH, HUMANS ARE ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT WE'RE ALSO A PART OF THE ECOSYSTEM AT LARGE AND THE BIOMES THAT THE EARTH HOUSES.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PRIDE IN OUR OLD GROWTH TREES AND VALUE THEM AS PRICELESS.
THAT ANY PRICE TO REDESIGN THE ROAD OR TO PRESERVE IT IS WORTH IT.
THAT'S ALL THE CITIZEN COMMENTS FORMS THAT I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK?
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HELLO, MY NAME IS SANDY GONZALEZ AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF KYLE AND I'M ALSO HERE JUST LIKE THE OTHER FOLKS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF COMING UP WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN TO SAVE THE TREE.THAT TREE IS IRRE IRREPLACEABLE, JUST LIKE MANY OTHERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CUT DOWN WHEN OTHER SUBDIVISIONS, UH, HAVE BEEN BUILT.
I MEAN, I DRIVE THROUGH THAT ROAD FREQUENTLY, SO IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME, BUT I WAS THERE SUNDAY AND I DID SEE HOW PEOPLE USE, MOST PEOPLE DO SLOW DOWN WHEN THEY APPROACH THE TREE, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL P FOLKS THAT ARE NOT GONNA SLOW DOWN.
AND IF YOU WIDEN THAT ROAD, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SPEED UP IN THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN 1626 WAS EXPANDED.
UH, PEOPLE TRY TO DRIVE 80 TO 90 MILES AN HOUR ON THAT ROAD DURING RUSH HOUR.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THAT ROAD.
UM, SECOND, I KNOW Y'ALL WANNA HAVE ONE LANE PLUS A MIDDLE LANE, BUT WHERE THE OAK IS AT, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR A MIDDLE LANE BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO TURN TO.
YOU'RE, IF YOU TURN, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CRASHING INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND BACKYARDS OR INTO THAT RETENTION FIELD THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO THAT ROAD, THAT YOU CAN NOT ONLY MOVE IT AWAY FROM THE TREE, BUT YOU CAN ALSO REMOVE THE MIDDLE LANE, COME TO THE, JUST THE TWO LANE AND THEN EXPAND IT BACK BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS ON HIGHWAY, UM, 21 HEADED NORTH RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BONTON, BECAUSE I DO DRIVE THAT IN THAT DIRECTIONS AT TIMES.
AND IN ADDITION, YOU HAVE A PLAN, NOTHING'S SET IN STONE, IT'S JUST A PLAN THAT YOU CAN CHANGE AT THIS POINT.
AND I RECOGNIZE THAT IT WILL COST MONEY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, SINCE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT TREE, IT'S ALSO ABOUT COMING UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PRESERVE THE HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE LEFT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE HOUSTON HAS ONE, UM, AUSTIN HAS ONE, GRAPEVINE HAS ONE.
I'M SURE THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND KYLE HAS OVER 60,000 PEOPLE ALREADY, SO WE SHOULD BE HAVING POLICIES THAT ARE MORE EVOLVED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
UM, WHILE MANY INDIVIDUALS ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE FATE OF THE TREE, AND AS I STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH THEM, SORRY, THE END, SORRY, THE END.
UM, I BELIEVE THE REAL ISSUE EXTENDS BEYOND THE SINGLE MATTER.
IT, IT CENTERS ON THE CERT ON THE URGENT NEED FOR LEADERSHIP THAT CAN GENUINELY REFLECT THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS LEADERSHIP THAT WE CAN TRUST MANY RESIDENTS FEEL NOT ONLY MISREPRESENTED, BUT ALSO BURDENED BY OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ADMINISTRATIVE LEADERS WHO FAIL TO EMBODY OUR COMMUNITY'S MORALS AND VALUES.
OVER THE LAST YEAR, OUR COUNCIL HAS CONSISTENTLY SUPPORTED AND FINANCIALLY REWARDED A CITY MANAGER WHO DIVERTED FROM THE PERSONNEL POLICY, OVERLOOKED AND CONCEALED INSTANCES OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, AND MOST RECENTLY BREACHED OUR TEXAS CONSTITUTION.
BY ALLOWING A COUNCIL MEMBER ELECT TO PERFORM ELECTED DUTIES BEFORE TAKING THE REQUIRED OATH OF OFFICE, WE MUST ASK OURSELVES WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT OUR GOVERNANCE OF OUR CITY? I URGE EACH OF YOU TO REFLECT ON THIS.
IF THESE EVENTS WERE HAPPENING IN ANOTHER CITY, WHAT WOULD YOUR REACTION BE? IF YOU WERE NOT COMPLICIT IN ALLOWING THIS TO OCCUR, HOW WOULD YOU, YOUR VOICE, YOUR CONCERNS? WOULD YOU TRULY WANT TO LIVE IN A CITY WHERE THESE ACTIONS WERE TOLERATED BY THOSE YOU TRUSTED TO ELECT TO SERVE YOU? IT'S TIME FOR US TO DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY AND ENSURE THAT OUR CITY REFLECTS THE VALUES OF ITS RESIDENTS.
LET US REMEMBER THAT OUR COMMUNITY THRIVES ON INTEGRITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
EACH OF YOU PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN SHAPING OUR CITY'S FUTURE.
YOU MUST HOLD YOURSELVES AND EACH OTHER TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS.
TOGETHER YOU CAN CREATE A CITY WHERE EVERY RESIDENCE FEELS HEARD, VALUED, AND HEARD AND VALUED.
MOVING FORWARD, I ASK EACH OF YOU TO COMMIT TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY WITH HONOR AND RESPECT.
THE CHOICES YOU MAKE TODAY WILL DEFINE YOUR LEGACY.
AS I DISCUSS THE NEED FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR VALUES.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REFLECT ON THE WORDS I SHARED DURING
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MY LAST ELECTED MEETING.ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT PRESENT TO STAFF.
I ASK THAT YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER WHO IT IS YOU SERVE AND WHY I BELIEVE MANY OF US SHARE A COMMON GOAL, WHICH IS TO FOSTER A CITY THAT PRIORITIZES THE WELLBEING OF ITS RESIDENTS AND TO BE ONE THAT WE CAN PROUDLY REPRESENT.
MOVING ON FROM MY LEADERSHIP, I HOPE I HAVE INSPIRED YOU TO KEEP YOUR VALUES AND MORALS IN CLEAR VIEW AND TO ALLOW THEM TO GUIDE YOUR DECISIONS.
TRUST ME WHEN I SAY YOU WILL NEVER GO WRONG BY DOING WHAT'S RIGHT AND I ASK THAT YOU SAVE THE TREE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD? MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, I PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, CAST, THANK, AND I WANT, I WANNA WISH YOU GUYS HAPPY NEW YEAR AND I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN BE ADDRESSING A LOT OF MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS.
I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT AND I USED TO DO IT WHEN I USED TO WORK FOR VERIZON AS WELL, SO I JUST WANTED TO WISH YOU GUYS THE BEST OF LUCK THIS NEW YEAR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
THE CITIZEN COMMENTS WILL NOW BE CLOSED.
[IV) Agenda Order]
ORDERED.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WISH TO REMOVE? UH, OR MOVE? I, I HAVE ONE.
I'D LIKE TO BRING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION UP TOWARDS THE FRONT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THEY, EVERYONE ELSE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU WANNA MOVE AROUND? ALRIGHT, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL BRING UP, UH, AGENDA ITEM
[20) Consider approval of a resolution to appoint seven qualified voters nominated by City Council to the Charter Review Commission and establishing the charge of the Commission.]
NUMBER 20, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT SEVEN QUALIFIED VOTERS NOMINATED BY CITY COUNCIL TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND ESTABLISHING THE CHARGE OF THE COMMISSION.SORRY IF I GOT YOU, UH, IF YOU WEREN'T READY FOR THAT, JESSE, BUT THANK YOU.
UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
TONIGHT WE, I HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO APPOINT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, IS THIS OUR CLICKER? OKAY, UH, FOR ANYONE WATCHING THAT DOESN'T KNOW, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS APPOINTED, UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND THE LAST TIME THE COMMISSION WAS APPOINTED WAS IN 2020.
SO IT'S 2025, IT'S TIME TO APPOINT THE COMMISSION.
THE COMMISSION IS APPOINTED IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY.
EACH COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTS ONE PERSON, AND THAT BE, THOSE SEVEN APPOINTMENTS BECOME THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY QUALIFICATIONS OF THOSE APPOINTEES IS THAT THEY MUST BE REGISTERED VOTERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
THOSE APPOINTEES ARE HERE TONIGHT IN A RESOLUTION, AND THE COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON THAT RESOLUTION TO APPOINT THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
UH, IT, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MADE THEIR APPOINTMENTS AND THEY HAVE BEEN QUALIFIED AS REGISTERED VOTERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
JUST A QUICK TIMELINE ON THE PROCESS.
SO THE, THE COMMISSION CONVENES ONCE THE COMMISSION CONVENES.
THEY HAVE SIX MONTHS ACCORDING TO CHARTER, TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL GIVES THEM A CHARGE.
UH, IN, IN THE PAST THE CHARGE HAS BEEN TO LOOK THROUGH THE ENTIRE CHARTER ITSELF AND GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL.
UH, THE TIMELINE THERE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THAT IN JANUARY, THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WE WILL MAKE THE COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.
THEN WE'LL HAVE A KICKOFF MEETING IN JANUARY, AND THEN THOSE SIX MONTHS, JANUARY THROUGH JUNE, WE'LL HOLD THE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSION AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL PRESENT ITS RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, DISCUSS IT AND THEN MAKE A, A, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF TO PUT, UH, IN, UH, JULY AND AUGUST TO PUT ON THE, UH, BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER OF 2025.
ALL THE MEETINGS OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WILL BE HELD ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
AND THIS IS THE DEFAULT CHARGE THAT, UH, STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER.
IT'S KIND OF A OVERARCHING, UM, CHARGE FOR THE COMMISSION TO LOOK THROUGH THE ENTIRE CHARTER, UH, AS IT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY DONE.
IT IS COMPLETELY UP TO THE COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MORE SPECIFIC CHARGE TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE.
BUT THIS IS WHAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE, UH, RESOLUTION RIGHT NOW.
UM, STAFF ALSO HAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS, CLARIFICATIONS, CLEANUP PROPOSALS THAT THEY WILL BRING TO THE COMMI COMMISSION AS WELL AS THEY MEET.
AND THEY'LL ALSO BRING THOSE TO COUNCIL AT THE FINAL PRESENTATION, UH, FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY AND WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE THE APPOINTMENTS THAT HAVE CURRENTLY BEEN MADE.
THEY'VE ALL BEEN QUALIFIED FROM CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO CITY COUNCIL IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO DISCUSS IT NOW AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES, UM, OR TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.
AND WE'LL GET THE COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER AND THE PROCESS STARTED.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING THEY WISH TO ADD? UH, I, THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA SAY IS I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC, UH, PANEL.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S NOMINEES ARE, ARE, UH, PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS WHO WERE FORM, UH, FORMERLY ON THE COUNCIL AND OR WERE A PART OF THE INITIAL, UH, FOUNDING OF THE CHARTER OR SOME OF THE MAJOR, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THROUGH THE YEARS.
UH, AND SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO A GREAT JOB.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PANEL OF VETERANS, SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY GOOD AS
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WELL AS SOME, UH, FOLKS WITH, UH, A LOT OF ENERGY AND FRESH IDEAS.SO IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD TIME.
IS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCILOR TO YEAH, I, UH, I SECOND THAT BECAUSE, UH, WITH THE NAMES THAT I SEE HERE, OR PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN KYLE FOR MANY YEARS, AND THEY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON HERE, MAYOR, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD, UH, GOOD SIGN.
AND, AND I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA DO A GOOD JOB.
THEY'RE GONNA DISSECT THIS, UH, REVIEW AND, UH, LOOK THROUGH IT VERY WELL.
SO I, I, I DO FEEL THAT THIS IS A, A HEAVY ROSTER OF, UH, OF EXPERIENCE AND, UM, GREAT TO SEE IT COMING FORWARD.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ALL-STAR TEAM HERE.
UM, GET READY FOR THE, UH, THE BEST CHARTER THAT WE'VE EVER HAD.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE BEST CHARTER, BUT, WELL, NOT AFTER THIS ONE.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? MOTION TO APPROVE.
MOTION BY MAYOR SECOND BY COUNCILLOR HEISER.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL A FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALL MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
[3) Consider appointing Victoria Vargas to the Hays Caldwell Economic Development Partnership to replace Mayor Travis Mitchell.]
NUMBER THREE, UH, APPOINTMENTS.CONSIDER APPOINTING VICTORIA VARGAS TO HAYES CALDWELL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP TO REPLACE MAYOR TRAVIS MITCHELL.
UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO VICTORIA ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.
UH, THE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP IS A, IS AN IMPORTANT BOARD.
IT REPRESENTS THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORKINGS OF, UH, UH, OF THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION.
THEY'RE OVER SAN MARCOS, KYLE BUTTA, AS WELL AS HAYES AND CALDWELL COUNTIES.
UH, THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE BOARD.
IT MEETS DURING THE DAY, UH, ONCE A MONTH, I BELIEVE.
UH, THEY'RE VERY, IT'S A VERY INVOLVED BOARD.
UH, UH, JENNIFER STORM IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF BUTA.
SHE'S ON THAT BOARD AND, UH, I ACTUALLY EVEN GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO HER TODAY.
UH, I THINK THAT HAVING VICTORIA THERE FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT TO REPRESENT THE CITY'S INTEREST IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE ALL OF THE MEETINGS.
UH, AND I KNOW THAT VICTORIA WILL REPRESENT US BETTER THAN ME.
SO I WANTED TO ACTUALLY PUT FORWARD HER NAME.
THIS IS THE TIME OF THE YEAR WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR NOMINATIONS.
AND, UH, UH, JUST WANTED TO OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND SEE IF ANYONE HAD ANY THOUGHTS OR FEEDBACK.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR SECOND BY MAYOR PROTI.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[4) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding a Future Land Use Petition for an ~175-acre property located near the intersection of E FM 150 and State Highway 21. ]
ITEM FOUR, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION.PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A FUTURE LAND USE PETITION FOR OUR 178, UH, FIVE ACRE PROPERTY LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF EAST FM ONE 50 AND STATE HIGHWAY 21.
COUNSEL, UH, THIS ITEM IS HONESTLY A NEW, UH, PROCESS FOR US, UH, HERE AT, UH, THE CITY OF KYLE.
WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN JANUARY LAST YEAR.
IT'S OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, 2030.
WITH THAT, EVERYTHING WITHIN THE CITY AS WELL AS THE ETJ IS ASSIGNED, UH, A FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
AND THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT'S COMING BEFORE US THIS EVENING, IS LOOKING AT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, UM, AN AMENDMENT PROCESS WHICH BE REQUIRED BEFORE THEY TRULY DEVELOP, UH, THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS KIND OF REPRESENTED, UH, BY THE, UH, SECOND LINE ON THE MAP THERE.
BUT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD START OUT WITH THIS PETITION PROCESS FOR THEM TO SHOWCASE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO ON THE PROPERTY THERE, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ON COUNSEL, AND THEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO ACCEPT, UH, THE PETITION, UM, THEY WOULD THEN, UH, PROCEED WITH THE TRUE ROUTE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO FUTURE, UH, LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENTS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IT SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW UH, THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING ARE AFFECTING THE AREA.
IS THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, IS THIS PROJECT BETTER THAN WHAT THE FUTURE LANDING PLAN ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED? UH, WHAT'S THE IMPACTS? SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, UM, TO HELP GUIDE YOU WITH YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS ON KIND OF EVALUATING, UH, THIS PLAN AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK IT, UH, WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO US.
SO THE CASE BEFORE YOU, UH, THIS EVENING IS REALLY THEY'RE LOOKING, UH, TO SEEKING FEEDBACK FOR A POTENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT THROUGH THIS PETITION PROCESS.
IT'S LOCATED NEAR, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF 21 AND FM ONE 50.
AND THEN, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, FOR THIS AREA, UM, REALLY HAD IT AS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MODIFY THAT 175 ACRES AND REALLY KIND OF BREAKING IT DOWN IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF KEEPING SOME INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, BUT THEN ADDING SOME URBAN MIXED USE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW SOME MULTIFAMILY
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DEVELOPMENT.AND THEN ALSO ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, TO THE COMMERCIAL.
SO THIS IS A MAP THAT REALLY KIND OF SHOWCASES, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IT IN YELLOW ON THE KIND OF THE SOUTH, VERY SOUTH EDGE CORNER OF OUR ETJ OF THE SITE.
AGAIN, IT'S INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THE FUTURE LANE USE PLAN, UH, MAP LOOKS LIKE.
SO KIND OF FOCUSING IN NOW ON WHAT THE EXISTING, UH, FUTURE LANE USE PLAN IS, UH, HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN YELLOW IS, IS THE 175 ACRES.
IT'S ADJACENT TO SOME URBAN MIXED USE AS WELL AS, UH, SOME REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, UM, CURRENTLY.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THEIR PROPOSALS.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TAKING, UM, 132 ACRES, UH, FROM THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND TURNING IT INTO URBAN MIXED USE AND THEN ADDING, UH, SIX AND A HALF ACRES TO THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL.
MELISSA, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THE, SO CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? THE, THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY, THAT THERE, THAT'S ITS CURRENT ZONING OR IS THAT WHAT THIS SHOWS? THIS IS LAND USE IN THE LAND USE PLAN, CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY ZONED? SO, UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS RIGHT NOW.
SO FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD BE LOOK AT THE LAND USE FIRST, THEN COME BACK WITH ZONING AND PLATING AND ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
WELL THEN, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS THINKING, BUT THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS IF WE AMEND OUR LAND USE PLAN IN ORDER TO CONSIDER A PARTICULAR PROPOSAL AND THEN THE, WE DECIDE THAT, AND THEN THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T MAKE, THEN IT, IT OPENS UP THE GATE FOR FUTURE.
WE CAN'T TIE THE, UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
OR MAYBE A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT.
IS THIS ALL COMING TO US AT THE SAME TIME? IT WOULD, THEY WOULD ANNEXATION ZONING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SO WE COULD CONSIDER IT ALL.
AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US IS TO ALLOW FOR THAT TO HAPPEN ESSENTIALLY.
SO THIS IS A PRECURSOR KIND OF TO THAT TO SEE IF, UM, COUNSEL AND THE DECISION MAKERS ARE, ARE OPEN TO, UM, SEEING KIND OF THIS CHANGE IN THE LAND USE IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN YOU'RE RIGHT, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS A PRESENTATION THAT THEY'LL BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT AFTER THIS AND THEY CAN HIGHLIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD PIGGYBACK, UH, THOSE ITEMS TO BRING 'EM IN TOGETHER, BOTH THE TRUE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT AS WELL AS THE ANNEXATION AND THE ZONING TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, DO WE NEED TO SEE THE, THE, THE, THEIR OVERALL PROPOSAL NOW ISN'T, ARE WE GONNA SEE IT LATER IF WE WANT TO ALLOW, BASICALLY ALLOW THEM TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO US? UM, YES.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY'RE SHOWING CASING YOU WHAT THEIR DESIGN AND DREAMS ARE NOW, AND THEN THEY WOULD REFIN, IF YOU ACCEPT, I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS.
SO YOU CAN ACCEPT THE PETITION SAYING, YES, I REALLY LIKE THIS PLAN, I LIKE THIS ELEMENT AND THAT ELEMENT.
PLEASE PROCEED WITH WITH, UM, APPLYING FOR A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT.
OR YOU CAN PROVIDE ANY OTHER, UH, FEEDBACK TO GIVE THE APPLICANT.
REALLY KIND OF A GOOD, UM, CASE OF, OF WHERE WHERE YOU GUYS SEE THIS, THIS GOING FOR THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
YEAH, HONESTLY, UM, I'M GLAD TO SEE SOMETHING COMING FORWARD.
UH, I, I WAS NEVER IN AGREEMENT OF MAKING THIS A LAND USE INDUSTRIAL.
I JUST SAW US THROWING TRUCKS ON I 50 ON ONE 50 WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO COUNCIL YEARS AGO, WE, UH, APPROVED THE LAND USE.
I, I NEVER WAS A FAN OF MAKING THIS AREA INDUSTRIAL.
I THINK WE WERE MISSING OUT ON A GYM AND THAT'S ONE 50 WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE AIRPORT.
THIS IS A, THIS IS GONNA BE OUR NEXT RETAIL AREA.
SO MAKING THIS INDUSTRIAL WAS REALLY DUMB.
I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST ABOUT IT.
AND, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT THIS AND COME UP WITH A USE THAT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR THE AREA.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE WANNA SEE ON ONE 50? I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE RIGHT PLAN IN THERE AND GETTING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE SOME RETAIL IN THERE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, JUST PUTTING TRUCKS AND WAREHOUSES ON AN AREA THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE BOOMING SOON 'CAUSE OF THE ONE 50 AND THE AIRPORT EXPANSION.
IF YOU'VE SEEN EULA, HOW THEY'RE EXPANDING AS WELL.
WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE RETAIL IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS OUR NEXT COMMERCIAL HUB, UM, FOR, FOR RETAIL.
SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS AREA.
I GUESS MY, MY FEEDBACK IS I, FOR ME, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS GO THROUGH THEIR ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PLAN NOW, THEN START IT, AND THEN BY THE TIME IT GETS BACK TO US, WE'RE GONNA BASICALLY HAVE TO RE REDISCUSS IT.
IT'S GONNA BE SOME TIME, I THINK BEFORE ALL OF THAT GETS BACK TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
AND I, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE US A LITTLE TIME.
SO, UM, I MEAN THE REASON WHY WE HAVE A A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU HOPE YOUR, YOUR ZONING COMES IN AT, RIGHT? YOUR NEW ZONING AND YOUR NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND USE.
SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S ASKING FOR IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SITE.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE KIND OF SHOWCASING AND COMING IN WITH THIS,
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UM, DOING A LITUS TEST TO REALLY KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU AT COUNCIL ARE OPEN TO THAT TO THEN GIVE, UM, STAFF DIRECTION AS, AS WELL AS THEM TO, TO REFINE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE FOR THAT.BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS A PRECURSOR TO THAT PROCESS.
I DO THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME REFINEMENT, UM, FOR IT AND I CAN TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT IF YOU KIND OF WANNA SEE GENERALLY WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DIRECTION FOR IT.
NOW WE CAN, I JUST, I WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE HAS TO CONSIDER A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY PROPOSING COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE UP AT THE TIME THAT WE MAKE THE VOTE.
AND SO THE QUESTION I'M, I'M ASKING IS ARE WE OPEN TO ALLOWING THEM TO BRING SOMETHING THAT CONSIDERS THOSE LAND USES? AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE SAY KEEP WORKING ON THE PROJECT.
LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND BRING IT ALL FORWARD AT THE, AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCUSS IT NOW? YEP.
WELL I WANT AT LEAST GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
THE ONE THAT STAFF HAS PREPARED IS THIS, IS THIS THEIRS OR IS THIS STAFF'S? SO THIS IS, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA
AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, MAYOR, THIS, THIS IS A PRECURSOR SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE MM-HMM
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TONIGHT THAT STILL ABSOLUTELY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS, BUT IT DOES GIVE KIND OF A GREEN LIGHT, RED LIGHT ON, ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE EVEN OPEN TO LOOKING AT, UH, AT A POTENTIAL, UM, CHANGE TO THE COMP PLAN FOR THE LAND USE.
WELL THEN MY, MY ONLY PUSHBACK WOULD BE TO SAY THAT MAYBE WE'RE OPEN TO THIS PARTICULAR MIXTURE AND IT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT'S IN THERE.
BUT IF WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE, THEN MAYBE THAT THE FEEDBACK COMES DIFFERENTLY.
AND SO THEY DON'T GET THAT CHANCE FOR US TO ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE ON THE SPECIFIC LAYOUT OF THE PROJECT THAT THEY WANT.
SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO TAKE YOUR BIGGER QUESTION AND MAKE IT A LITTLE QUESTION.
ARE, ARE WE OPEN TO THIS PARTICULAR COMBINATION OF USES ON THIS LAND? IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN WE CAN WORK ON AND BRING FORWARD A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL ALONG WITH THAT AMENDMENT AND YOU'LL KNOW, THE APPLICANT WILL KNOW THAT IT'S NOT THE LAND USE THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WHEN IT GETS BROUGHT UP.
IT MIGHT BE THE PARTICULARS OF SOMETHING.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SHARE ALL THAT FOR SURE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THE RIGHT.
I WILL SAY, UM, BACK TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO, UM, THIS WAS REALLY LOOKED AT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE MAJOR CORRIDORS OF IT, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE REGIONAL AIRPORT AND THEN JUST HONESTLY THE MAJOR ROADWAYS IN THIS AREA.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE KIND OF, UH, FOCUSED ON THAT AT, UH, THAT POINT IN TIME.
UM, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE IS A BIG MAJORITY IN THIS AREA.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER, UH, 1500 ACRES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
AND IN THIS AREA ALONE, 684 ACRES, UM, IS KIND OF THAT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE CATEGORY.
SO, UM, AND 403 ACRES IS IN THIS.
AND USUALLY YOU PUT YOUR INDUSTRIAL IN THE BACK AND YOU PUT YOUR RETAIL OUT IN THE FRONT.
THIS PUTS THE INDUSTRIAL UP IN FRONT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I HAVE THE ISSUE AROUND YOUR MAJOR CORRIDOR, WHICH IS ONE 50 AND 21.
SO PUTTING FURTHER BACK I WOULD BE OKAY WITH, BUT PUTTING IT RIGHT ON THE CORRIDOR WHERE YOU ARE MISSING OUT WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON AROUND US.
I MEAN, JUST IN SAN MARCO DOWN THE STREET THERE ON 21.
AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT HAYES COUNTY HAS AND WHAT YOULAND HAS ALL THE HOMES GOING IN.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR RETAIL AND THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT HUB FOR RETAIL.
WELL, TO, TO THAT POINT, THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THERE'S SOME SPECIFICS.
SO WHEN, IF, IF THEY'RE CONSIDERING A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, CAN'T WE JUST SAY THAT, UH, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE IS AN OPTION ON THE WHOLE THING? UH, THE, UH, URBAN, UM, MIXED USE IS, IS AN OPTION AND THE, THE RETAIL IS AN OPTION SO THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO US.
WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO EVEN DECIDE THAT TO, TO THAT LEVEL OF, BECAUSE I, I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM ON THAT AND SO I'D BE WANTING TO MOVE THE MAPS AND LINES AROUND, BUT REALLY WE'RE JUST WANTING TO KIND OF BLESS THE PARTICULAR LAYOUT YES.
THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO CHANGING THE LAND USE CATEGORY IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD SUPPORT, BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH THE LAND USE, IS IT GONNA BE SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THE, THE MAP YOU JUST SHOWED? NO, THEY'LL COME BACK OR IS IT GONNA MAKE ALL THEY'LL OF THEM AVAILABLE HAVE COME? I, I WOULD SAY GENERALLY IT WOULD WITH YOUR FEEDBACK
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OKAY.UM, BUT EVEN, EVEN STILL, SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE, THE FEEDBACK SHOULD BE THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO US ON THIS.
WE'LL CARRY IT FORWARD SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THEIR PROPOSAL.
AND THEN WHEN THE PROPOSAL, WHEN THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROPOSAL COME, THEN WE CAN HAVE THE ABSOLUTELY MORE GRANULAR YES.
ALRIGHT THEN WE MAYOR, THEN WE CAN BREAK DOWN THE PARCELS.
LIKE PARCEL ONE, PARCEL THREE, PARCEL FOUR, PARCEL TWO.
'CAUSE YEAH, I MEAN WE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS WOULD BE A, A GAME CHANGER FOR RETAIL OR MIXED USE FOR RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
BUT I THINK THE LAYOUT IS WHAT YOU'RE ALSO QUESTIONING THERE IS LIKE WE SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT THAT NOW? UH, LET'S SAY IF WE DECIDE, IF WE SAY, WELL WE, WE WANT THE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE IN THE BACK AND THE PARCELS UP FRONT.
UM, AND SO IT ORIGINALLY WAS WAREHOUSE.
I REMEMBER HAVING DISCUSSION YEARS AGO ON THIS.
UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION ON MY END IS WHAT CHANGED FROM THEM WANTING TO HAVE THE AT ALL AS INDUSTRIAL TO NOW GOING WITH THIS? IS IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE CLIMATE? UM, WELL I HAVE THAT, YEAH.
THE APPLICANT HERE TO, WELL, IN INDUSTRIAL IS WHAT WE SAID.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WHAT THE A THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT'S LOOKING, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT'S, THE REASON THIS IS BEFORE IS THEY CAN'T MAKE THE PROPOSAL TO US UNLESS WE GIVE THEM AUTHORIZATION.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO ALL THIS VOTE SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW IS TO ALLOW FOR THEM MM-HMM
TO MAKE THE PROPOSAL TO US BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CARRY AN EXTRA ITEM FORWARD, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO OUR COMP PLAN.
I JUST, JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION.
I, I THINK THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A GENERAL READ.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO AS, AS MELISSA, UH, POINTED OUT? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, WELL THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO SPEND ALL THE TIME AND MONEY AND EXPENSE OF GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO, THE EXACT LAYOUTS AND FOOTPRINTS WILL CHANGE.
BUT THAT'S THE, THE GENERAL DESIRE IS TO GIVE YOU THAT OPTION TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS.
THAT'S, BUT, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T UP OR DOWN IT NOW.
NOW IT'S NOT MEANT FOR A VOTE TONIGHT, MAYOR.
IT'S MEANT FOR A GENERAL DIRECTION OF IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER? THAT'S WHY IT'S POSTED THAT WAY.
WELL THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM FOUR SECOND.
MOTION BY THE MAYOR, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR HARRIS, IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SO THE, YOU'RE GONNA, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE APPLICANT IS NORMALLY I WOULD BE LOOKING, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS JUST, JUST WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE OPEN TO IT.
UM, UH, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE ON, ON THE LAYOUT.
BUT THE, THE USES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, I THINK ARE ALL SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER WITH YOUR APPLICATION.
I
I WORK WITH MIKE WOLF AND STUART AND WILLIAMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, UM, FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WILL LIKE.
SO WE'RE OPEN TO NOT KEEPING, 'CAUSE WE EVEN HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL THAT, AS YOU GUYS SAW, WE HAD SOME INDUSTRIAL, BUT WE WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MORE COMMERCIAL THAT'S FRONTING THE FM ONE 50 OR HAVE MORE, UM, HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE.
SO WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THEM ANY FEEDBACK UP HERE? THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GIVING IS THAT THE LAND USE, THE LAND USES, THEY'RE ASKING ARE SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER.
I MEAN, I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE.
I MEAN, IS THAT GETTING TOO FAR INTO THIS? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S I HAVE QUESTIONS TOO.
WE ALL DO QUALITY OF LIFE, RIGHT? WE, BUT THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE DAS WE'RE NOT NEGOTIATING ALL THOSE POINTS.
SO LET'S NOT DO THAT JUST YET.
THIS IS JUST KIND OF SAYING LET'S GO.
WE'RE INTERESTED IN, WE'RE INTERESTED CHANGING, WE'RE NOT STUCK ON WAREHOUSE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[VII) Consent Agenda]
NEXT UP IS THE CONSENT AGENDA THERE ITEMS FIVE THROUGH 15.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE PULLED AND LOOKED AT MORE SPECIFICALLY? COUNCILOR HARRIS, JUST TO CLARIFY ITEM OH YEAH, WE NEED TO GET TAPE 15.
ITEM 15 WILL NEED TO BE PULLED FROM CONSIDERATION FIVE THROUGH 14.
YEAH, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ON SEVEN, EIGHT, AND 16TH.
THE QUESTION IS NOT MAJOR SIXTEEN'S NOT ON CONSENT.
SO JUST SEVEN AND EIGHT? YEAH.
ANYONE, ANYONE ELSE? NO QUESTION.
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I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOTION TO BRIEF AGENDA ITEM 6 9 10 11, 14.SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 6, 9, 10, 11, AND 14.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
[VIII) Items Pulled from Consent Agenda]
FIVE.FIRST READING, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 17, FLOODS OF THE CITY OF KYLE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ADOPT A NEW FLOOD INSURANCE STUDY AND FLOOD INSURANCE RATE MAP AND ADD WORDING TO CHAPTER 17 TO COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE AND CURRENT STATE STATUTES AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
THIS ITEM SPONSORED BY MR. BARBARA, MR. ZUNIGA PULLED IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, UM, JUST WANT TO SEE, IS THIS JUST SETTING THE, A NEW BASELINE, LEON BASELINE LEVEL FOR THE FLOODING? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THIS ITEM IS FOR? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
LEON BARB, CITY ENGINEER? THAT IS CORRECT.
IT'S A NEW FLOOD PLAIN MAP THAT WE'RE WANTING TO ADOPT.
SO, UH, UM, JUST THE QUESTIONS IS LIKE, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING, I GUESS, TO PROTECT OUR CRITICAL ASSETS IN FLOODPLAINS? I MEAN, AS, AS A CITY, DO WE, UH, TRY TO ELEVATE GENERATORS? HAVE THESE YEAH, IT'S SURROUNDING THE, THE FLOODPLAIN AREA.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT OUR FLOODPLAIN, UH, RESILIENCY PLANS.
YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE THAT IN MIND WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE COUNCIL MEMBER? UH, IT'S BEEN WHILE SINCE I WAS BILLING OFFICIAL, BUT THE ANSWER IS YES.
WE DO HAVE, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN THE BUILDING CODES THAT, UH, REQUIRE YOU TO BUILD AT CERTAIN ELEVATIONS.
IF, IF IT'S A KNOWN ELEVATION, YOU HAVE TO BUILD ABOVE A CERTAIN ELEVATION.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THESE, UH, CRITICAL FEATURES ARE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO WE DO HAVE BUILDING CODES THAT COVER THAT.
AND IF WE ALSO HAVE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, WE HAVE THE BUFFER THAT WE TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM THE BUILDING IN THAT BUFFER THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO CREEKS OR WHATEVER.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KIND OF HEAR, UH, GET A GOOD SENSE OF THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING, UM, AS CLIMATE CHANGES AND WE HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER RUNOFF THAT WE'RE, WE'RE AHEAD OF IT SO THAT MORE AND MORE OF OUR, OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T ENTER THE FLOODPLAIN AREAS.
COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, AS YOU, WELL, AS MOST EVERYBODY KNOWS, ATLAS 14, WE HAD A BIG IMPACT ON THE, UH, FLOOD PLAINS AND WE'RE, WE'RE ABIDING BY THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM FIVE.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM FIVE IS THEIR DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
NEXT STEP IS AGENDA ITEM SEVEN.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER TWO WITH SHAUMBERG AND POLK FOR THE DESIGN SERVICES OF WATER LEAF SEGMENT OF THE VIBE TRAIL IN THE AMOUNT OF $519,642 AS ITEMS PRESENTED BY MS. TRULOVE.
MS. HARRIS, SHE HAD THE FLOOR.
UM, SO THE $519,642 IS JUST DESIGN OF THIS 1.57 MILE PORTION OF THE FIVE TRAIL BY WATER LEAF PARK? CORRECT.
THAT, THAT WAS MY MAIN QUESTION.
IT'S JUST FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.
NO, NO CONSTRUCTION IN THAT, THAT JUST SEEMED HIGH FOR DESIGN ONLY.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION RELATES TO MORE THAN JUST THAT PORTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL, BUT JUST FOR, UM, SOME INFORMATION, UH, THERE ARE STILL SEVERAL PARKS THAT DON'T HAVE RESTROOMS. UH, SOME OF THEM, THE VIBE TRAIL GOES BY LIKE COOL SPRINGS.
UM, ARE THERE PLANS TO INTEGRATE RESTROOMS IN THOSE PARKS THAT DO NOT HAVE THEM, LIKE BUNTON CREEK PARK BY THE BIRD BLIND AND, AND THE WILDFLOWER LOOP AND, UH, COOL SPRINGS, I'M GONNA, EXCUSE ME, ROSIE.
TRUE LOVE DIRECTOR OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
I DID WANNA ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, UM, JUST TO CALL OUT WHAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION, WHICH THE $519,000 INCLUDES A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN, UH, FOR 1.57 MILES OF TRAIL.
IT ALSO INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES AND GEOTECHNICAL PHASE SERVICES, UH, OR GEOTECHNICAL SERVICES.
SO IT IS MORE THAN JUST DESIGN.
IT SHOULD TAKE US THROUGH CONSTRUCTION OF THE CONTRACT.
AND THEN I WILL LET, UM, PARK DIRECTOR DAVID LOPEZ ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ON RESTROOMS. OKAY.
GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UM, DR. HARRIS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON RESTROOMS, WE PLAN ON INSTALLING RESTROOMS AT BUTTON CREEK PARK WITHIN THIS, UH, CALENDAR YEAR, ACTUALLY PROBABLY WITHIN THIS QUARTER.
AND ALSO WE HAVE, UH, SOME OTHER RESTROOM PROJECTS COMING UP LATER THIS YEAR WITH HEROES MEMORIAL AS WELL AS MARY KYLE HARTSON PARK.
BUT COOL SPRINGS IS NOT ON THAT LIST.
UH, COOL SPRINGS HAS A RESTROOM.
IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S DOWN RIGHT NOW.
THERE WAS SOME DAMAGES DONE, UM, PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS BACK, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON REPLACING SOME FIXTURES.
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THE, I GUESS THE NORTHERN SECTION OF, OF, OF THE PARK.SO THE SECTION THAT'S CLOSEST TO ONE 50 BY THAT LAKE THERE? YES MA'AM.
NOT THE TWO LAKES THAT ARE BY THE PARKING LOT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, UH, WE ACCEPT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR HARRIS.
SECOND BY MAYOR PRO, TIM, THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM SEVEN.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER DESIGNEE TO ACCEPT A PUBLIC SAFETY ALTERNATE ALTERNATE RESPONSE TEAM FOR MENTAL HEALTH GRANT FOR THE OFFICE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNOR, UH, WITH A CYBER, UH, STATE CRISIS INTERVENTION PROGRAM IN THE AMOUNT OF 188,288 OR $280.
UH, THIS ITEM PRESENTED, UH, BY CHIEF MS. HARRIS, YOU HAVE A FLOOR? UH, YES.
UM, I'M, I'M JUST A LITTLE, I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION.
I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO IT, UM, ACCEPTING THAT, BUT THE, THE BUDGET TO ME WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHAT THAT'S REALLY GONNA COVER.
SO IT'S GOING TO COVER ONE LICENSED, UM, MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.
THE, THE GRANT COVERS, UH, THE ONE POSITION.
IT COVERS CONTRACTUAL SERVICES THAT INCLUDE TRAINING FROM THE MEADOWS FOUNDATION.
UH, IT ALSO COVERS EQUIPMENT AND, UH, TRAVEL TRAINING AND, UH, SUPPLIES AND, AND OTHER OPERATING EXPENSES.
UM, IS THE LOCAL PROJECT GOING TO BE DESIGNED BY US OR IS IT PRE-DESIGNED BY THE STATE? NO, IT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED BY US.
UH, IT'S GONNA WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR TWO MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS.
AND IF, IF YOU REMEMBER, Y'ALL KINDLY APPROVED A SIMILAR POSITION, UH, WE HAD APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT BEFORE THE BUDGET, AND SO, UH, THERE WILL BE TWO POSITIONS, UH, MOBILE CRISIS CARE COORDINATORS, UH, ASSIGNED TO OUR MENTAL HEALTH UNIT.
AND DO THESE, UM, COORDINATE WITH HILL COUNTRY M-H-D-D-A? ABSOLUTELY.
THEY WILL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH ALL THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, UH, HEALTH PROVIDERS, OTHER, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
UM, UH, CAN I, ASSISTANT CHIEF, DO YOU MIND LAYING OUT LIKE HOW, 'CAUSE THIS IS A NEW THING FOR THE CITY OF HOW THESE, UH, CRISIS COORDINATORS ARE GONNA WORK ALONGSIDE POLICE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, OFFICERS, OR ON-DUTY OFFICERS TO HELP, UM, UH, FREE UP THE TIME THAT THEY'RE SPENDING OUT IN THE FIELD? YEAH.
THIS IS, THESE ARE NEW POSITIONS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.
UH, AS Y'ALL REMEMBER, WE ALREADY HAVE TWO MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS.
UH, THESE, UH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ALTERNATE RESPONSE TEAM, UH, THAT IS LIKE THE UMBRELLA THAT IS, THAT IS A GROUP OF TRAINED PROFESSIONALS AND THEY WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH OFFICERS AND THERE'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, SUPPORT COMPONENT TO OUR PATROL OFFICERS.
AND SO A LOT OF THESE, UH, CALLS DON'T REQUIRE A UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICER, AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN REQUIRE A MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER.
SO THEY WILL HELP, UH, BE A SUPPORT UNIT AND THEY WILL TRY TO DO FOLLOW UP AND THEY'LL DO HOME VISITS AND, UM, FOLLOW UP OVER THE PHONE AND, AND THEY'LL PROVIDE SERVICES AND RESOURCES TO, TO THESE CLIENTS THAT, THAT, UH, THE OFFICER THAT WILL NOT NEED AN OFFICER.
UH, AND OF COURSE THERE WILL BE NON-VIOLENT, NON-EMERGENCY.
UM, SO THEY, THEY WON'T, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT 'EM IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO AN ACTIVE CALL.
I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT HOW THIS IS ALL GONNA WORK.
WE ALREADY GOT A MOTION ON THAT OR NO? NO.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UM, NUMBER ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, TO ACCEPT THE PUBLIC SAFETY ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE TEAM FOR MENTAL HEALTH GRANT FROM THE OFFICE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNOR.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM EIGHT.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
NEXT STEP IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER SEVEN WITH WGI INC FOR THE PREPARATION OF THE FINAL DESIGN PLANS AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES OF THE I 35 NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD AT COUNTY ROAD 1 58 ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION LANES IN THE AMOUNT OF $245,080.
UH, THIS ITEM IS PRESENTED BY MS. TRULOVE.
UH, MS. ZUNIGA, YOU PULLED IT.
IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PRESENT IT, IT'S PRETTY SHORT.
BECAUSE I, I NEED THE IMAGERY
IF WE GET INTO TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROAD, THEN I HAVE LEON HERE TO HELP ME OUT.
UM, SO IT'S BEEN DECIDED THAT, UH, DECELERATION LANE AND AN ACCELERATION LANE ARE NEEDED ON THE I 35 FRONTAGE ROAD NEAR, UH, COUNTY ROAD 1 58.
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CITY WILL NEED TO WORK WITH TXDOT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD OF I 35.UH, THE NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD CURRENTLY HAS TWO LANES PLUS A SHOULDER ON EACH SIDE, UH, AND COUNTY ROAD 1 58 CONNECTS TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD AT AN ANGLE.
NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
UM, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TO WIDEN THE ACCESS ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE A RIGHT TURN DECELERATION LANE ONTO COUNTY ROAD 1 58 AND A RIGHT TURN ACCELERATION LANE ONTO THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
UH, A HIGH LEVEL ESTIMATED COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS, UH, 1.5 MILLION.
UH, THE COST IS BASED ON PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS AND IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITH DETAILED INVESTIGATION AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE CONTRACT IS, UH, TASK ORDER WITH WGI, UH, AND THE AMOUNT OF $245,000.
UH, THE PRIMARY SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES A SCHEMATIC DESIGN OR PRELIMINARY SCHEMATIC DESIGN, UH, DESIGN PHASE SERVICES AND COORDINATION WITH TDOT, UH, A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY, ENVIRONMENTAL INVESTIGATION, BID PHASE SERVICES AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES.
SO THIS SHOULD BE THE FULL, UM, SUITE OF DESIGN WORK FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TASK ORDER, BUT I'LL GO BACK TO THE PICTURES IN CASE THAT'S WHERE YOU WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPROVING THE SHOULDER THAT IS SEEN THERE, WHERE THE LARGE TREES ARE.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING TO DISTURB THOSE TREES, BUT YOU'VE GOT THAT SHOULDER AND YOU'RE GONNA GO, UH, FURTHER DOWN.
RIGHT? SO, UH, THE, THE FIRST SLIDE, DIDN'T YOU HAVE THE, THAT ONE? YEAH.
SO ARE WE DOING THAT WHOLE STRETCH FROM THAT, WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT DAIRY QUEEN? BECAUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE JUST INTERSECTION.
JUST THE INTERSECTION IS WHAT LEON IS SAYING.
SO 1.5 MILLION JUST FOR AN INTERSECTION.
'CAUSE IS, IS, IS THAT WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS WORK IS? MM-HMM
FOR THE ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION LANE IN THAT INTERSECTION OF I 35 AND COUNTY ROAD 1 58.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY, EXCUSE ME, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
WELL THE OTHER THING I DIDN'T SEE WAS, I GUESS LIGHTING THAT MAYBE AT THAT, WHERE THE STOP SIGN IS AND YOU, AND YOU TURN LIKE, UM, SO THAT ROAD IS NOT GONNA BE WIDENED THE COUNTY ROAD 1 58 THERE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WIDENING THAT PIECE.
MS. SMITH, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? YEAH, SO MY QUESTION WOULD JUST BE THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE, THAT HOPEFULLY THE SHOULDER DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DISTURB THE, THESE NATURAL TREES THERE.
BUT I, I ALSO HAD, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT WE WERE ACTUALLY GONNA BUILD AND IT JUST SEEMS, SEEMS LIKE A HIGH PRICE.
I KNOW THIS IS THE TECH STOCK COORDINATION, BUT, UM, FOR A SMALL PIECE OF XL D CELL LANES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, LEON BARBARA, CITY ENGINEER, ONE OF THE PLANS THAT WE WANT TO DO HERE IS TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THAT INTERSECTION AND MAKE IT MORE OF A 90 DEGREE TURN.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT INTERSECTION IS TXDOT PROPERTY.
UH, THEY DON'T WANT US TO TAKE THE WHOLE TRACK WITH THAT, UH, IMPROVEMENT THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO LIMIT IT.
BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION IS THAT TREE WITH A STRU THAT'S AROUND IT.
WE'VE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE MM-HMM
AS YOU WELL KNOW ON THIS SIDE, IT'S SECTION OF I 35.
IT'S 55 MILES AN HOUR AND WE'RE LUCKY TO SEE ANYBODY DRIVING 55.
THEY'RE USUALLY GOING FASTER THAN THAT.
SO GETTING OUT OF THAT, UH, PARTICULAR INTERSECTION IS PRETTY TOUGH IN THE MORNING.
TRYING TO GET OUT EARLY IN THE AFTERNOON, TRYING TO GET OUT IN THAT LANE OF TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THIS PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED TO HELP PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GET OUT SAFELY AS BEST AS WE CAN.
OH, SO FROM THAT LITTLE PIECE, GET OUT SAFELY.
NOT, NOT ONLY TO GO DOWNHILL 'CAUSE THAT GOES DOWNHILL.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO A DE DECELERATION LANE TO LET GIVE PEOPLE AWAY TO GET OFF SAFELY.
AND AN ACCELERATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ACCELERATION LANE THERE ALSO, UH, ONE OF THE DILEMMAS THAT WE HAVE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T ENCUMBER THAT PROPERTY WITH, UH, TOO MUCH OF A DEC UH, ACCELERATION LANE.
I'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE.
SO WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THAT OWNER ALSO.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ARE COMING OFF OF THAT OFF THE HIGHWAY AND YOU'RE GONNA GET TO 1 58, YOU WILL HAVE A LITTLE SHOULDER TO GET YES SIR.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL THE DE CELL LANE DE CELL? YES, SIR.
YES, DEFINITELY THOSE ARE NEEDED BECAUSE THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, DARKNESS VISIBILITY ISSUES, UM, THERE IN THAT, IN THAT INTERSECTION IN THAT CORNER.
CUSTOMER HARRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY FEET OF PAVEMENT THIS IS? I'D SAY SIX TO 700 IN EACH, IN EACH, EACH, EACH.
UH, DE CELL LINE ACCELERATION LINE, LET'S SAY ABOUT 600 ON EACH ONE, SAY 1200 FEET.
BUT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS WITH TDOT.
AND, UH, THAT ONE POINT A HALF MILLION, THAT'S OUR INITIAL ESTIMATE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF HIGH, BUT, UH, WE WON'T FIND OUT TILL LATER WHEN WE GET OUR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT.
WE'LL GET A BETTER NUMBER ON THAT.
FOR 1200 FEET, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH.
DO YOU THINK YOU'LL RUN INTO ANY UTILITIES? SORRY, SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING.
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IS AN ELECTRICAL BOX I THINK THERE IN ONE OF THE CORNERS THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT, UH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WORK AROUND THOSE.ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING TO TRY TO KEEP THE COST DOWN IS POSSIBLY, UH, IS MIKE MURPHY HERE TO, UH, POSSIBLY HELP US WITH DOING SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT TO TRY TO KEEP THE COST DOWN INHOUSE.
COUNCIL HARRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER? ALRIGHT, MAYOR, PRESIDENT.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE? TRY TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.
THE OTHER THING, UH, COUNCIL VER BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT WAS LIGHTING IN THAT AREA.
SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP AS WELL, BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN THAT ROAD QUITE A FEW TIMES.
I, I GO DOWN 1 58, SO, UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERSECTION IS LIT.
'CAUSE IT, IT IS REALLY DARK, SO THIS WAY WHEN THEY'RE TURNING IN, THEY CAN REALLY SEE IT.
CUSTOMER MCKINNEY? YEAH, I'VE USED, UH, THIS INTERSECTION BOTH, UH, GETTING OFF AND ON THE, THE ACCESS ROAD.
AND I SEE THIS AS A VERY POSITIVE WAY OF MAKING IT A MUCH SAFER INTERSECTION.
SO, ANY, ANYONE ELSE? MOTIONS LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 12 SECOND.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY TO APPROVE.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? COUNCILOR TOUS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, UM, THE ROAD'S GONNA LEAD INTO THERE, THROUGH THERE ON THAT SIDE, IT'S GONNA BE WIDENED UP, CORRECT? ON THE, THAT THE ROAD, WHEN YOU ACT, WHEN YOU GET OFF THE HIGHWAY AND YOU GO THROUGH 1 58, IS THAT GONNA BE WIDENED UP RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER? LIKE ON THE, ON THE VERY BOTTOM PHOTO? IT'S GONNA BE ACCELERATE AND DECELERATE.
IT'S GONNA BE WIDENED TO DECELERATE AND ACCELERATE.
SO ARE, IS ANY OF THOSE TREES NEED TO GO AS WELL? THAT ONE TREE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE MAY HAVE TO GO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
CONSIDER APPROVAL TO AWARD AN AGREEMENT FOR THE, UH, FINISHING OF THE INTERIOR, UH, OF 2 0 8 AND 2 46 REPUBLIC DRIVE BUILDINGS TO VAUGHN CONSTRUCTION LLC IN AN AMOUNT OF 1.1 MILLION $89,485.
I'M GONNA MAKE MY QUESTION PLEASE.
UM, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE BACKGROUND, UH, PROJECT INFORMATION SCOPE AND COST, OUR TIMELINE, UH, OUR SOURCING INFORMATION AND THE OPTIONS.
UH, CITY PURCHASED THESE TWO BUILDINGS AT 2 0 8 AND 2 4 6 REPUBLIC DRIVE, UH, BACK IN, UH, NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
UH, THEY'RE ABOUT 6,600 SQUARE FEET EACH.
THE PROGRAMMING NEEDS FOR THE BUILDINGS INCLUDE OFFICE SPACE, WORKSTATIONS, CONFERENCE ROOMS, SOME CLASSROOMS, UH, A PARKS, MAINTENANCE GARAGE, MAINTENANCE GARAGE, AND A BREAK ROOM.
UM, THE SCOPE WILL INCLUDE DOOR DIVID DOORS, DIVIDER WALLS, DROP CEILINGS, SOME ELECTRICAL WORK FINISHES, UH, FOR PAINT, RESTROOM, TILE CARPETING, UM, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITH, UH, AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION FOR A COST OF, UH, $1,189,485.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE AWARDING THE CON THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TODAY MOBILIZING IN THE NEXT WEEK.
IT WILL TAKE NINE TO 11 WEEKS TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE MOVE IN BY APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
UM, WE'RE PURCHASING THIS THROUGH THE OMNIA PURCHASING COOPERATIVE, UH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT.
SO THERE WAS NO BID FOR IT, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS THROUGH A CO-OP.
UM, SO WHEN YOU SAID THE, THE PROGRAMMING NEEDS, IS THAT ALL THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY? THE OFFICES, WORKSTATIONS, ALL OF THIS? WILL THIS BE A COMPLETE FINISH OUT TURNKEY? THE, THE GUYS, THE PARKS AND RECS CAN MOVE IN YES.
AND NO MORE HVAC WORK, PLUMBING WORK NEEDED? NOT, NOT THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW.
UM, IS THAT THE CONDITION RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S IN, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NICE.
SO YEAH, I, I WAS KIND OF, I WASN'T SURE WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THE ONE POINT, UM, 7000001.8 WE'RE POINT TAKING A BUILDING SHELL THAT IS IN VARIOUS STAGES OF FINISH OUT AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINISHING THAT FINISH OUT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO OPERATE, UM, AS OFFICE SPACE FOR OUR PARK STAFF.
SO THIS WILL MAKE 'EM BOTH FUNCTIONAL? YES.
SOMEONE COULD, THEY'RE FUNCTIONAL, BUT THERE'S NO WALLS.
THERE'S NO, IT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU SCRAPED ALL OF THE INSIDES OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY AND JUST HAD, YOU KNOW, WALLS AND MAYBE SOME BATHROOMS. UM, THERE'S NO CEILINGS.
THERE'S, SO WE'LL HAVE TO ADD THE DROP CEILINGS.
THERE'S THE, THE TALL CEILINGS, BUT ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL WORK IS VISIBLE.
UM, SO IT'S TAKING, YOU KNOW WHAT MAY KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WAREHOUSE-Y FEEL TO IT
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ALMOST MM-HMMUM, AND TURNING IT INTO MORE FINISHED OUT OFFICE SPACE.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS FOR ANY EXTERIOR WORK? IS THIS THIS IS IT? IT'S, IT'S ALL BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE REFURBISHING AND WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
SO YEAH, IT, IT'S ALL INTERIOR WORK.
SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S GONNA BE WALLS, IT'S GONNA BE DESIGN, IT'S GONNA BE ELECTRICAL, GOING THROUGH THOSE WALLS, DROP CEILINGS.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR MECHANICAL, YOU ALSO HAVE TO RUN THAT SO YOU RETURN AIR, EVERYTHING.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE, IT, IT IS GONNA ADD UP TO THE PRICE.
NO, I THINK IT, IT'S VERY VALUABLE TO DO ALL THIS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING ALL OF THAT AND WE'RE NOT JUST GETTING TEXTURE AND PAINT AND OH NO.
AND IT'S ALREADY A FINISHED BUILDING.
NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BY NO MEANS A FINISHED SPACE'S A GOOD, IT'S, IT'S INHABITABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT, THIS WILL TURN IT INTO FINISHED OFFICE SPACE.
OUR SPRINKLERS AND EVERYTHING.
THEY'RE, ARE THEY IN THERE? THEY'RE GOING TO BE, NEED TO BE IN THERE.
DOES SOME HAVE TO MOVE SOMETIMES THAT YOU HADN'T DROPPED CEILINGS AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DROP THEM DOWN.
YEAH, THEY GOTTA BE RECONFIGURED JUST TO ACCOMMODATE OFFICER AREAS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 13 SECOND MOTION BY CUSTOMER A SECOND BY MAYOR PROTON THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 13 IS THEIR DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION.
UH, I WILL NOTE THAT ON AGENDA ITEMS, UH, FIVE AND 14, WE'RE BOTH FIRST READING.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THOSE ITEMS BEING FINALLY PASSED? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, THOSE ITEMS ARE FINALLY PASSED.
[16) Consider approval of a resolution finding public convenience and necessity and authorizing the use of eminent domain to condemn, if necessary, a 1.565 acres in fee simple and a 0.794 acre temporary construction easement (both as described in Exhibit 4) from certain real property owned by James P. Jansen and Peggy L. Jansen for the public use and purpose of construction of public utility improvements and shared use paths including wastewater lines reclaimed water lines, and a portion of the Vybe Trail. (ROLL CALL VOTE REQUESTED)]
16, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY AND AUTHORIZING USE OF IMMINENT DOMAIN TO CONDEMN IF NECESSARY AT 1.565 ACRES IN, UH, FEE SIMPLE AND 0.794 ACRE, UH, UH, TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, BOTH AS DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT FOUR FROM CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY JAMES P JANSEN AND PEGGY L JANSSEN.FOR THE PUBLIC USE AND PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS AND SHARED USE PATHS INCLUDING WASTEWATER LINES, RECLAIMED WATER LINES, AND A PORTION OF THE VIBE TRAIL.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AMBER SCHMITZ, THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD.
TONIGHT WE HAVE FOR YOU THE NORTH TRAIL'S, UH, WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR IMPROVEMENTS EASEMENT.
UM, HERE'S A BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT.
UM, WE ARE PLANNING VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR EXISTING WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE PROJECTED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND FLOWS.
AND THIS, THESE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE, UM, UPGRADING AN EXISTING 24 INCH WASTEWATER LINE TO A 36 INCH AND THEN, UM, UPGRADING AN EXISTING EIGHT INCH RECLAIMED WATER LINE TO A 12 INCH RECLAIMED WATER LINE.
CURRENTLY STV IS THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT AND THEY ARE FINISHING UP A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN.
THE PROPOSED ALIGNMENT REROUTE ALONG THE JANSSEN PROPERTY MOVES THE UTILITIES OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL BACKYARDS ALONG HY STREET, WHICH ALSO HELPS OUT WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, TO DATE, UH, THE, WE HAVE, UM, THE EASEMENT WIDTH WAS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF BOTH THE 12 INCH RECLAIM LINE AND THE 36 INCH WASTEWATER LINE.
FUTURE ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE.
WE'VE COORDINATED WITH THE PLUM CREEK CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR ONGOING REQUIREMENTS OF THE DAM CROSSING AND PROPOSED EASEMENTS.
WE'VE UPDATED SURVEY OBTAINED DURING 90% DESIGN TO CAPTURE DAM SPILLWAY AND LAYMAN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN WE'VE ACQUIRED, UM, THE PERMANENT AND TEMPORARY EASEMENTS ON THE WALTON TEXAS LP PIECE OF LAND.
HERE'S THE IMPACTED PARCELS FOR YOU.
UM, LAND ALONG THE JANSSEN PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE PURCHASED FOR THE NORTH NORTH TRAILS PROJECT AND FUTURE CITY OF KYLE PARK TRAIL.
UM, THE APPRAISAL WAS ORDERED AND IT'S NOW COMPLETE.
WE NEED FEE SIMPLE AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS WITHIN THE JANSSEN PROPERTY FOR THE FEE SIMPLE, IT'S 1.565 ACRES TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, IT'S 0.794 ACRES.
SO SUMMARY TONIGHT, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO, UH, APPROVE A RESOLUTION TO DECLARE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESS NECESSITY FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, WHEN YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU FIND THAT THIS PROJECT IS NECESSARY TO PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND ACQUISITION OF THE IDENTIFIED PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
AND THIS PROVIDES YOU THE AUTHORITY TO INITIATE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS IF NECESSARY.
YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO APPROVE OR DENY AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I DO HAVE A SPECIFIC MOTION I HAVE TO BRING FORWARD.
NOW I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF KYLE AUTHORIZED THE USE OF POWER OF THE POWER OF IMMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE 1.565 ACRES OF LAND IN FEE SIMPLE AND A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT OVER 0.794 ACRES OWNED BY JAMES P JANSEN AND PEGGY L JANSSEN AS DESCRIBED IN AGENDA ITEM 16 FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF CONSTRUCTING AND OPERATING UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING WASTEWATER LINES AND RECLAIMED WATER LINES, AND ALSO CONSTRUCTION OF A SHARED YOUTH PATH, UH, AS PART OF THE CITY'S VIBE TRAIL PROJECT.
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BY MAYOR PRO.TIM, IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILOR TOUS, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAMILY ON THIS AND, AND THEIR FEELING ON IT.
WE HAVE AND WE, UM, ARE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING.
WE FEEL LIKE WE WILL BE ABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO INTO EMINENT DOMAIN.
COUNCILOR HARRIS? PRETTY MUCH THE SAME QUESTION.
I BELIEVE THIS IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL LEHMAN FAMILY AND JANSSEN FAMILY.
THE CREEK RUNS THROUGH THAT PROPERTY.
THERE ARE SPRINGS IN THAT CREEK THERE AT THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND IT'S A LEGACY PROPERTY.
IT'S, UH, OUR FAM THAT FAMILIES HAVE THAT PROPERTY A LONG TIME.
I JUST WANNA ASSURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING THEIR INTEREST AND THAT WE DO NOT IMPINGE ON ANY USE OF THAT PROPERTY BY THE FAMILY.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE ASKING FOR EASEMENTS FOR FEES SIMPLE TO OCCUPY, UM, THE PROPERTY WITH, WITH OUR WASTEWATER LINE AND OUR RECLAIMED WATER LINE AND THEN A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT TO, UM, DO THE NECESSARY WORK.
AND AFTER IT'S ALL COVERED UP, THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WE'RE THERE, THERE ANYMORE.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I THINK WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT ONE.
[17) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing a purchase agreement with Bee Spring, Ltd., Rafter Holdings, LLC, and GSP Conservation Investors, L.L.C. for a tract of land of approximately 3.393 acres for a permanent utility easement and 1.48 acres for a temporary construction easement in an amount of $726,864 for the Cypress Road Regional Utility Project and authorizing the City Manager to execute all documents necessary to acquire the property. ]
AGENDA ITEM 17.UH, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH B SPRINGS LTD RAFTER HOLDINGS, LLC AND GSP CON CONSERVATION INVESTORS LLC FOR ATTRACTIVE LAND OF APPROXIMATELY 3.393 ACRES, UH, FOR A PERMANENT UTILITY EASEMENT, 1.4 ACRE FOUR EIGHT ACRES FOR A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $726,864 FOR THE CYPRESS ROAD REGIONAL UTILITY PROJECT AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS.
UH, MR. MITZ, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
UM, THIS IS WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE NEED FOR, UM, THE CLARA VISTA.
UM, THE CLARA VISTA WASTEWATER LINE, UM, I'M SORRY, WATER LINE.
WE HAVE PROPOSED A 35 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT TO HOUSE A FOREST MAIN AS WELL AS TWO ADDITIONAL UTILITY LINES ANTICIPATED IN THE FUTURE.
HERE'S WHAT THE, UH, ALIGNMENT OF THAT LINE LOOKS LIKE.
IT FOLLOWS AND CROSSES CYPRESS ROAD TO CENTER STREET.
UM, TO DATE THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE ALIGNMENT IN APRIL.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN AND APPRAISALS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED FOR THE UTILITY EASEMENT.
WE REACHED AGREEMENT WITH PARCEL NUMBER TWO AND A PURCHASE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
HERE IS THE EASEMENT THAT WE NEED.
IT'S, UH, 3.393 ACRES FOR PERMANENT UTILITY AND THEN WE ALSO NEED 1.4 ACRES FOR TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT.
TOTAL PRICE OF THE PURCHASE IS $726,864.
CLOSING IS EXPECTED ON OR BEFORE 60 DAYS AFTER FULL EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT.
THANK YOU MR. MY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILOR TOBIAS? OKAY.
SO ON THIS ONE HERE, YOU HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THEY'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON THIS.
SO I'VE GOT, OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOTIONS.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBI, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THAT WE APPROVE.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[18) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing a purchase agreement with Evelyn E. Nicholson, Trustee of the Evelyn E. Nicholson Trust under 2005 Trust Agreement for a tract of land of 0.06 acres which includes the purchase of the house in an amount of $443,711.28 and authorizing the City Manager to execute all documents necessary to acquire the property.]
18.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH EVELYN E. NICHOLSON.
TRUSTEE OF THE EVELYN E. NICHOLSON TRUST UNDER 2005 TRUST AGREEMENT FOR ATTRACTIVE LAND OF 0.06 ACRES, WHICH INCLUDES THE PURCHASE OF THE HOUSE IN AN AMOUNT OF $443,711 28 CENTS, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY.
MS. SCHMITZ, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER IN ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY THAT WE NEED.
UM, THIS IS FOR THE OLD STAGE COACH PROJECT.
UM, THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS PREPARED TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY TRACT THAT WE NEED.
IT'S 0.06 ACRES, BUT BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY GOES THROUGH THE HOME, WE ARE ALSO PURCHASING THE HOME.
TOTAL PRICE OF THE PURCHASE IS $443,771
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AND 28 CENTS BASED ON THE APPRAISAL.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? COUNCILOR HARRIS, UM, WAS THE HOUSE OCCUPIED? IT DID HAVE A TENANT.
UM, YOU WILL, YOU WILL BE IN THE FUTURE RE UH, APPROVING A RELOCATION PACKAGE FOR THAT TENANT.
WHICH WILL BE APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH? UM, I CAN'T RE I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT IN ENC CLOSED SESSION BEFORE.
UM, AND IT'S FOR 0.06 ACRES IN THE HOUSE.
AND THE HOUSE WILL BE TORN DOWN.
THE HOUSE WILL HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN.
JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S IRONIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, YET WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY ON THE TREE.
JUST, JUST SAYING I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS.
IT'S, IT'S FOR THE PROPERTY AND YEAH.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SATISFIED AND WE'RE DOING A RELOCATION PACKAGE FOR THE TENANT.
THEY WERE SATISFIED AND THEY AGREED TO THE PURCHASE.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION,
NOW THE PARCEL ABOVE IT, DO WE NEED ANY OF THAT RIGHT AWAY? IT JUST KIND OF, I'M KIND OF QUESTIONING IS THIS PIECE NEEDED, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER PIECE ABOVE THAT.
OR IS THIS JUST THE ONLY PIECE NEEDED HERE? NO, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY PIECE.
WE DO NEED, UM, SOME OF THE PROPERTY TO THE PLAN NORTH OF THIS ONE.
SO, WHICH THE PLAN NORTH IS IN THE WAY.
WELL, WE'VE ALSO APPROVED A PCN FOR THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AS WELL.
SO THOSE LITTLE PIECES, I GUESS ARE IN THE PATH OF THE, OF THE ROADWAY.
WHAT ABOUT TO THE SOUTH, TO THE SOUTH OF, OF THAT PROPERTY? IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY? UM, I DON'T RECALL.
I MEAN IT, I DON'T RECALL WHAT WE NEED TO, TO THE PLAN SOUTH, BUT I DO KNOW WE, WE NEED SOME TO THE NORTH.
I JUST WANTED TO, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED MATTER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE BUYING, WHEN YOU'RE WIDENING AND BUILDING THESE ROADS THAT YOU KNOW, YOU, WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO, TO GET THAT PROJECT FINISHED.
SO OUT OF THIS 443,000, IS ANY OF THIS MONEY GONNA BE COMING OUT OF THE BOND THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO STAGECOACH AS PART OF THE LAND ACQUISITION? YES.
IT'LL ALL BE, UM, COMING OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR BUCKET OF MONEY.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS AGREED TO, LET'S JUST SAY THIS SELLING PRICE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FEE OR AN OPPORT.
UM, THE, AN AMOUNT FOR RELOCATION, IT'S NOT BEFORE YOU, TONIGHT IT WILL COME BEFORE YOU.
UM, AND COUNSEL'S BEEN BRIEFED ABOUT IT AND IT'S BASED ON, UH, FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS AND RELOCATION ACT.
BUT IT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU.
'CAUSE MY CONCERN WOULD BE IT'LL COME UP TO, LET'S SAY AN AN ADDITIONAL 400,000.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 800,000 JUST FROM THIS PROPERTY.
I NEED TO, I NEED TO CLARIFY THIS IS, THIS IS A DIRECT TRANSACTION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY IS CHOOSING TO SELL THE HOUSE TO US DIRECTLY.
AND SO THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, THEY HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE TENANT, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE ARE, SO IF WE'RE GIVING THEM RELOCATION COSTS, THEN THAT WOULD BE, UM, ABOVE AND BEYOND, OR MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS NEGOTIATED, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING REMOVED THROUGH THIS AGREEMENT YES.
THEY ARE, WE ARE DOING A TRANSACTION WITH THAT, WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MM-HMM
AND MAKING THEM WHOLE IS WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE.
NO ONE'S FORCING ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING.
AND WHILE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, I CAN GUARANTEE IT WILL NOT BE $400,000 TO RELOCATE YEAH.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
I'M JUST, IF IF THEY'RE, IF WE'RE COMING OUT AND WE'RE SAYING LET'S JUST BUY THE PROPERTY AND BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED THE, UH, THE LAND USAGE FOR THE ADDITIONAL ROADING, AGAIN, WHY WOULD WE COME BACK FOR RELOCATION FEES FOR THEM IF THERE'S, IF WE'VE ALREADY SETTLED THIS PRICE? WELL, IT'S REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW TO, IF A, IF A TENANT IS IMPACTED, WE ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE THEM RELOCATION ASSISTANCE BY LAW.
AND SO IT'S IN ADDITION TO, UM, THIS TRANSACTION PRICE SIMILAR TO SOME
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OF THE, THE TRANSACTIONS THAT WE DID FOR THE QUAIL RIDGE PROJECT.THERE WAS, THERE WAS RELOCATION ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO TENANTS.
THEY WERE MADE WHOLE AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO, UH, PROPERTY TRANSACTIONS THAT OCCURRED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I I GUESS I, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.
SORRY MAN, I DON'T WANT, SO THE OTHER QUESTION IS, ARE WE ONLY BUYING THE 0.06 ACRES, AMBER? NOT THE WHOLE OTHER PART OF IT BEHIND IT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THAT, UM, AREA SHADED IN GREEN.
BUT IT TAKES THE H IT THE, IT TAKES THE HOUSE.
SO WHO KEEPS THE OTHER, THE OTHER ACREAGE? THE PROPERTY OWNER.
NOW WITH THAT, I MEAN, OH NO, THEY COULD, THEY GET A, THEY GET A LOT WITHOUT A HOUSE THAT THEY, THEY GET A LOT, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS GONNA BE BUILD, THEY CAN REBUILD ANOTHER HOME.
I GUESS THEY COULD BE REBUILD ANOTHER HOME OR POSSIBLY IF THEY WANT TO REZONE IT TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND STILL HAVE ACCESS TO, I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS COMING INTO THE CITY'S HANDS NOW.
SO THE CITY HAS THE WHOLE LITTLE LOT AREA.
IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE, THE, THE LOT OF THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PAY $400,000 TO REMOVE, SHOULD THE LAND UNDERNEATH IT SHOULD BE ASKED.
I THINK WE SHOULD GET THE WHOLE THING.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT, IT'S GOVERNED BY STATE LAW, I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD.
WE CAN ONLY TAKE WHAT WE, WE NEED AND IT'S WEIGHTED IN EVERY, IN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE TENANT'S FAVOR HERE.
SO NOW STATE LAW DOESN'T PRE PROHIBIT CITIES FROM TAKING MORE THAN WHAT THEY NEED.
LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FROM ME.
THAT ITEM 18 TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 18.
A SECOND ABOUT MAYOR PROIN WILL APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 18.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[19) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing a possession and use agreement with East Cannon Partners, Inc. related to the fee simple acquisition of 2.51 acres and acquisition of easements of 0.48 acres in an amount not to exceed $1,151,994 for the Kyle Parkway/Lehman Road Project right of way and ARWA water facility projects.]
IS AGENDA ITEM 19.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A POSSESSION USE AGREEMENT WITH EAST CANNON PARTNERS INC.
UH, RELATED TO THE, UH, FEE SIMPLE ACQUISITION OF 2.51 ACRES OF ACQUISITION OF EASEMENTS OF 0.48 ACRES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED, UH, $1,151,994 FOR THE KYLE PARKWAY LEHMAN ROAD PROJECT RIGHT OF WAY AND ARVILLE WATER FACILITY PROJECTS.
M UM, I FEEL LIKE THIS MIGHT BE THE, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
UM, I WAS THINKING IT WAS THE WRONG PRESENTATION.
UM, SO THIS IS FOR THE KYLE PARKWAY LEHMAN ROAD PROJECT.
UM, IT INVOLVES EXTENDING LAYMAN ROAD NORTHEAST FROM BUTTON CREEK ROAD TO DACY LANE AS A FOUR LANE MINOR ARTERIAL.
ADDITIONALLY, KYLE PARKWAY WILL BE EXTENDED TO THIS NEW SEGMENT OF LEHMAN ROAD, ALSO AS A FOUR LANE MINOR ARTERIAL.
THE TOTAL NEW ROADWAY WILL COVER 1.3 MILES.
THIS PLAN INCLUDES, UM, TWO LANE ROUNDABOUTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF KYLE PARKWAY AND DACY LANE CAR PARKWAY WITH LEHMAN ROAD.
LEHMAN ROAD WITH BUNTON CREEK AND LEHMAN ROAD WITH DAISY LANE ACQUIRING THE PARCELS ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO THE DELIVERY OF THE ARAWA WATERLINE.
SO WE'RE ACQUIRING EASEMENTS FOR ARAWA AS WELL AS REQUIRING THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE NEED, UM, FOR THE ROAD.
UM, THIS PARCEL, UM, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED.
WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR OR ACQUIRING IS SHADED IN BLUE.
IT'S OWNED BY EAST CANNON PARTNERS INCORPORATED.
THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS 4.99 ACRES FEE SIMPLE, WHICH MEANS WE'RE PURCHASING IS 2.51 ACRES AND EASEMENT ACQUISITION IS 0.48 ACRES AND IT HAS ONE VACANT MANUFACTURED HOME ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE SEEKING TO ACQUIRE, UM, THOSE ACRES, UH, IN FEE SIMPLE AND, UM, IN TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS.
UM, WE NEED IT FOR THE AWA WATER FACILITY PROJECTS.
WE'VE NEGOTIATED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON TERMS OF A POSSESSION AND USE AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THE CITY TO BEGIN WORK CITY SLASH ARWA TO BEGIN WORK ON THE PROJECTS DURING THE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCESS.
AS THE PARTIES HAVE NOT YET AGREED TO TERMS FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION, UM, THIS AGREEMENT WILL HELP TO SPEED UP THE PROJECTS BY ALLOWING THE CITY TO BEGIN WORK ON THE NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE PRIOR TO FINAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION.
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT AWA HAS A SCHEDULE TO START, UH, WORKING ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AS SOON AS MONDAY.
SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, TO ACQUIRE THESE PARCELS TONIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SCHMITZ? COUNCILLOR HARRIS? NOT A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT ON AS A, THE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE ON ARAWA.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE READY TO GET THAT WATER IN FEBRUARY, UH, INTO OUR TAKE POINTS AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.
I GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO ASK, LIKE, ON THE FUNDING, IS DOES ARAWA HAVE ANY ROLE PARTICIPATING IN IN THE ACQUISITION COST OR IS THEY, ARE THEY JUST STRICTLY ON THE
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SERVICE FROM THE, THEY, THEY WILL FUND THE ACQUISITION OF, OF THEIR PIECES OF THE EASEMENT.WE DID AGREE TO, TO PURSUE THAT FOR THEM AS PART OF THE ROAD BOND PROJECT.
WE KNEW WE'D BE IN, IN TANDEM WITH THAT, BUT YES, THEY WILL BE FUNDING THAT.
SO SOME OF THIS COSTS WILL, WILL BE COVERED THROUGH THE ARAWA SOURCE? CORRECT.
SO THEY'LL BE COVERING THE COST OF THEIR DISTRIBUTION LINE.
JUST THE EASEMENTS THAT ARAWA WILL NEED.
OBVIOUSLY WE NEED THE LION'S SHARE OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE ROAD.
BECAUSE CUSTOMER TOUS, IT'S 2.5 ACRES AND, AND THE ACQUISITION EASEMENTS IS ONLY 0.48 AC NOT EVEN AN ACRE.
AND IT'S GONNA BE ALMOST, UM, 1,000,001 FOR ALL OF THAT.
UH, DO WE HAVE AN APPRAISAL AS FAR AS THE LAND GOES? UM, I MEAN, AND WE HAVEN'T REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDOWNER, CORRECT? RIGHT.
WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING THE ULTIMATE.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT 1.1 IS THE APPRAISED AMOUNT.
AND SO THE POSSESSION AND USE AGREEMENT WITH AN INCENTIVE ALLOWS US TO PRO THE CITY TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WE GET ACCESS IMMEDIATELY AND THEN, UM, AND, AND THEN WE GIVE THEM THE 1.1 AND THEN WE NEGOTIATE, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCESS.
SO WE GIVE THEM 1.1 AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE FOR THE ADDITIONAL.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE ARE TAKING THREE ACRES OF, OF THE FIVE ACRE TRACT, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE, THIS IS OUR APPRAISAL AMOUNT.
THE PROPERTY OWNER BELIEVES IT'S WORTH MORE THAN THAT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONTESTING THE AMOUNT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO SEE IF, UH, THEY CAN GET MORE FOR THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT THIS IS, AS AMBER SAID, THIS GIVES US POSSESSION SO WE CAN START OUR PROJECT IN PARTICULAR FOR ROO.
SO WE, UH, AGREE TO LOOK AT THE VALUE LATER WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE ULTIMATE VALUE, BUT IT, THIS IS THE APPRAISED AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE, BUT THEY'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO THROUGH A COMMISSION COMMISSIONER'S HEARING IF NECESSARY, IF THEY WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE, ULTIMATELY TO DETERMINE THE FINAL VALUE.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS JUST YET.
'CAUSE THEY COULD COME BACK AND IF WE NEED THE ADDITIONAL, THEY COULD COME BACK WITH 4 MILLION AND THEN WE'RE END UP PAYING 5 MILLION FOR ALL OF IT.
IT, IT COULD BE A HIGHER NUMBER.
I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE WHAT IT COULD BE, BUT IT COULD CERTAINLY BE A HIGHER NUMBER.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A COMMISSIONER'S HEARING THAT WOULD DETERMINE WHAT THAT VALUE IS.
OUR APPRAISAL, AGAIN, IS THE $1.1 MILLION.
THAT'S THE PRO, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH ON ALL THESE.
WHEN WE DO THE PCN, WE'RE GETTING THE PUA IT, IT ALLOWS US TO TAKE POSSESSION WHEN TIMING IS CRITICAL, WHICH FRANKLY, A LOT OF THESE TO MOVE THE PROJECTS FORWARD.
WE WANT TO GET THE PUA WHEN WE CAN, AND THEN THAT PRESERVES THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ABILITY TO ARGUE WHAT THEY THINK THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY'S WORTH, BUT ALLOWS THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE'RE NOT TIED UP FOR MONTHS, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
MAYOR, PRO TIP, ARE YOU DONE COUNCIL, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
I DO WANT, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING THREE ACRES OF FIVE ACRES AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PIECE OF LAND FOR HIM.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND HIM WANTING TO NEGOTIATE THIS, BUT I, I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE'S WILLING TO GIVE US USE FOR 1.1, WHICH IS A WIN RIGHT THERE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE D TARGET, TARGET DATE OF OUR, OUR INTAKE POINT.
SO GETTING THESE LINES IN HERE IS REALLY CRUCIAL TO US AS A CITY.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IS REALLY IMPORTANT ON THIS ONE.
SO I, I CAN SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, WHATEVER THE COURT DECIDES, UH, LATER ON, HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A NUMBER, BUT I KNOW THIS IS THE IMPORTANT, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY IS JUST THE 1.1 TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED.
I MEAN, TO GET THE PROJECT FINISHED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE FEBRUARY TIMELINE, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, THE PUA THOUGH IS NOT $1.1 MILLION.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, $40,000 IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE PUA.
BUT WHAT WE'RE THE, THE 1.1, THE REMAINDER THAT GOES ULTIMATELY TOWARDS WHATEVER THE FINAL PRICE OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE, WHICH WILL BE DETERMINED AT A LATER POINT.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPS CLARIFY IT.
PUA JUST A FEE JUST TO PROVIDE THE ACCESS, BUT THIS, THE BULK OF THE DOLLARS GOES TOWARDS BUYING THE PROPERTY.
THAT MAKES FEEL A LITTLE BETTER.
ALRIGHT, MOTION MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 19 SECOND.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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OPPOSED.UM, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE WILL PICK, UH, PICK BACK UP ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET, GONNA GET BACK STARTED AGAIN.
I'M GONNA CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
[21) Consider approval of Task Order No. 6 in the amount of $266,600 with HDR Engineering, Inc. to conduct full design services for the parking lots at Steeplechase and Waterleaf Park.]
NUMBER 21.UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, FOLKS.
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A TASK ORDER NUMBER SIX IN THE AMOUNT OF $266,600 WITH HDR ENGINEERING INC.
TO CONDUCT FULL DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE PARKING LOTS AT STEEPLECHASE AND WATER, LEAF PARK, STEEPLECHASE PARK, AND WATER LEAF PARK.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, THE PROJECT SUMMARY FOR THESE TWO PROJECTS.
UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS, UH, SCOPE AND TIMELINE FOR THE WORK, UH, SOME PROPOSED RENDERINGS, AND THEN OUR OPTIONS, UH, FOR OUR CONTRACT AWARD.
SO THERE ARE TWO PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR TASK ORDER.
UH, ONE IS WATER LEAF PARK AND ONE IS STEEPLECHASE PARK.
UM, BOTH HAVE COMPLETED THEIR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORTS, UH, IN DECEMBER OF 2024.
UH, FOR WATER LEAF, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A PARKING LOT AT ABUNDANCE LANE.
AND FOR STEEPLECHASE, UH, PARK, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE PARKING LOTS.
ONE LOCATED IN THE FLOODPLAIN AT THE BASKETBALL COURT.
UH, ONE AT THE, THE PLAYGROUND AND SPLASH PAD AND ONE AT THE DOG PARK.
UH, BOTH OF THESE, UH, PARK PARKING LOT DESIGNS WILL INCLUDE A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND GEOTECHNICAL SERVICES.
UH, FOR WATER LEAF PARK, OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS, IT'S A CALICHE PARK, UH, PARKING LOT.
UH, THERE'S NO STRIPE PARKING, THERE'S NO, UH, A DA OR EV CHARGING STATIONS.
NO SIDEWALKS, LIMITED AND OUTDATED LANDSCAPING AND NO LIGHTING.
UM, THE SCOPE AND TIMELINE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE, UH, A NEW PARKING LOT WITH 57 SPACES, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 40 TO 57 OR 40 TO 50%.
UM, IT'LL BE AN ASPHALT PARKING AREA.
UH, THERE WILL BE A DA ACCESSIBILITY AND EV PARKING.
UH, THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS AND CONNECTIVITY, THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING AND THERE WILL BE LIGHTING.
UH, THE PROJECT TIMELINE IS SIX MONTHS FOR DESIGN AND PERMITTING, AND THEN FIVE TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE HOPE IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
ISN'T IT PRETTY? UM, FOR STEEPLECHASE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, TWO OF THE THREE PARKING LOTS ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S A CALICHE, UH, LOT.
THERE'S NO STRIPE PARKING, NO ACCESSIBILITY OR EV CHARGING STATIONS.
LIMITED AND OUTDATED LANDSCAPING, AND NO LIGHTING FOR, UM, THE SPACES.
UM, FOR THE, THE THIRD IS AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT, BUT AGAIN, NO A DA OR EV CHARGING STATIONS.
NO SIDEWALKS LIMITED AND OUTDATED LANDSCAPING AND NO LIGHTING.
SO, UH, SCENARIO ONE FOR STEEPLECHASE PARK, UM, WE'LL CONVERT ALL PARKING LOTS TO STANDARD ASPHALT.
UH, IT'LL BE A SCALED PAVEMENT.
PARKING AREAS, 122 SPACES, UH, WHICH AGAIN IS AN INCREASE OF 40 TO 50%.
IT'LL ADD THAT ACCESSIBILITY AND, AND EV STATIONS, UH, SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING.
THERE WILL BE, UH, I'M SORRY, THE OPINION OF PROBABLE COST ON THIS IS ABOUT $1.1 MILLION, UM, WITH A PROJECT TIMELINE OF 12 TO 14 MONTHS FOR DESIGN AND PERMITTING.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR FEMA APPROVAL BECAUSE IT IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND FIVE TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS FOR, UM, SCENARIO ONE, ASPHALT LOTS, UM, IN STEEPLECHASE PARK.
UH, THE SECOND SCENARIO THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS TO WORK ON A PERMEABLE DESIGN.
UH, THESE PARKING LOTS WILL BE THE BASKETBALL COURT AND THE DOG PARK AREA.
UH, DUE TO OUR FLOODPLAIN REQUIREMENTS, UM, UH, DUE TO FLOODPLAIN REQUIREMENTS, INSTALLATION OF PERMEABLE MATERIALS MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, WHICH PROVIDES FOR MORE RAINWATER PENETRATION AND REDUCES THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, AND IT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE CITY PERMITS.
WE WOULD HAVE FEWER SPACES AT ONLY A HUNDRED, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD THE ACCESSIBILITY IN THE EV PARKING, UM, AND THE SIDEWALKS.
LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING, UH, THE COST IS A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE AT ABOUT 1.4 MILLION.
UM, THE PLAYGROUND SPLASH PAD PARKING LOT WOULD WE ANTICIPATE BEING ASPHALT.
UM, HDR IS VERIFYING THE FEMA MAP.
IT'S CURRENTLY NOT ON THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
UM, SCALED, UH, PAVED PARKING AREAS OF 22 SPACES WITH ACCESSIBILITY.
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UH, EV PARKING, SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING.UM, SO THIS IS, UH, WOULD BE SOME RENDERINGS OF THOSE PERMEABLE PARKING LOTS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
UM, FOR SCENARIO ONE, WHICH IS THE ASPHALT DESIGN, UH, THE PROS IS THAT THERE IS A LOWER COST, UM, AND A LOWER MAINTENANCE COST.
UM, THE CONS IS THAT IT DOES HAVE A LONGER DESIGN TIMELINE DUE TO THE FEMA REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
UH, AND FEMA COULD DENY AND REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING STUDY, UH, INCREASING THE COST THERE.
UH, FOR SCENARIO TWO, WHICH IS THE PERMEABLE DESIGN PROS WOULD BE A SHORTER DESIGN TIMELINE, UM, POTENTIALLY SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS FASTER.
UH, IT DOES REDUCE OUR IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH WILL HELP WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT DOES, HOWEVER, HAVE A HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COST AND WILL REQUIRE MORE FREQUENT MAINTENANCE.
SO THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, ARE TO APPROVE TASK ORDER NUMBER SIX IN THE AMOUNT OF 200 6260 6,600.
UM, FOR SCENARIO ONE, ASPHALT DESIGN.
UH, SCENARIO TWO, PERMEABLE DESIGN.
OPTION TWO IS TO NOT APPROVE, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS OPTION ONE.
AND WE HAVE, UH, DAVID LOPEZ WITH PARKS TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE UTILIZATION OF THE PARKS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MAYOR? PROTON? YEAH, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE SCENARIO TWO, THE PERIPHERAL DESIGN.
ONE REASON I'M THINKING ABOUT THE HEAT.
SO IT'S BETTER, IT DOESN'T RADIATE THE HEAT THAT ASPHALT DOES.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE, THIS IS OUR PARK.
SO NATURAL AREAS, I KIND OF KINDA LIKE THAT.
UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, MODEL BETTER FOR OUR PARK DESIGN, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE OF GOING INTO PARK.
I JUST, I JUST KIND OF THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AS A, AS DUS YEARS AGO AND REALLY DIDN'T DO A LOT OF FOLLOW THROUGH ON IT.
BUT I KIND OF THINK BEING AT A PARK MIGHT BE THE BEST PLACE TO IMPLEMENT THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO KEEP THE HEAT DOWN.
WE'VE GOT KIDS OUT THERE RUNNING, PLAYING ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KE TO MITIGATE THAT.
ALSO WITH THE LIGHTING, MAKING SURE WE'RE USING DOWN LIGHTING, UH, LED, JUST SO THAT WAY WE'RE KEEPING OUR DARK SKIES FRIENDLY.
UH, MET A COUPLE THE OTHER DAY AND, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY WERE, UH, OUT THERE WITH THEIR TELESCOPE AND IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE IT.
SO DARK SKIES DEFINITELY GONNA NEED THAT.
BUT, UH, I KINDA LIKE, UH, OPTION ONE WITH SCENARIO TWO CUSTOMER HARRIS, I AGREE.
UM, I, I DON'T LIKE TO SEE ASPHALT GO IN PARKING LOTS BY OUR PARKS.
UM, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED PERMEABLE SURFACES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S THERE BY THE CREEK, UH, WHICH BOTH OF THOSE ARE MM-HMM
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASSURE THAT WE DO NATIVE PLANTINGS AND NOT GRASS ALONG THAT AREA.
UM, ESPECIALLY, UH, NATIVE GRASSES TO GET THAT WATER DOWN TO THE, THE WATERSHED.
UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT FINDING A VENDOR FOR COOL ASPHALT.
I REALIZE FOR ASPHALT YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE IT IMMEDIATELY THERE.
BUT THERE IS A COOL ASPHALT THAT THAT IS NOT AS, UM, DURABLE AS REGULAR ASPHALT, BUT IT ALSO MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT FOR AREAS WHERE, UH, PERMEABLE IS NOT PRACTICAL.
AND DR. HARRIS, JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, UM, OUR CONSERVATION MANAGER, JOHN DAVIS, IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING THE PLANTING PLANS FOR BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS AND, UH, WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEERING FIRM WHO'S HERE WITH US TODAY, HDR TO ENSURE THAT WE USE NATIVE LANDSCAPINGS.
OH, I'M SURE JOHN WILL DO THAT.
VERY ADMIRABLY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY.
UH, I, I GOT ONE THING AND I JUST, I DO NOT THINK THE EV CHARGING STATIONS MAKE SENSE AT THESE TWO PARKS.
AND THE, THE REASON IS, I AGREE WITH PUTTING THEM AT, UH, IN MIXED USE AREAS.
THE, THE PARKING LOT OF LA VERDE VERDE IS GOING INTO A MIXED USE AREA DOWNTOWN.
UH, UH, LOTS LIKE AT, EVEN LIKE AT MCDONALD'S OR WALMART OR ANY OF THOSE PLACES, BUT THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE USED.
SO I THINK YOU CAN SAVE MONEY THERE AND STILL GET THE ABSOLUTE BEST OUT OF THE PARKS.
BUT I, I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE COUNSEL TO CONSIDER OR REALLY THINK ABOUT THE EXPENSE OF PUTTING IN THESE CHARGING STATIONS.
MAYBE SLEEVE THEM, MAYBE DO ONE IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
BUT, UH, I SAW THE DESIGN ONE SHOWED FOUR EV EV SLOTS.
THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NO ONE GOING TO STEEPLECHASE PARK THAT NEEDS TO, TO, TO DO THAT.
THEY'RE, THEY, THEY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF THEY HAVE AN EV THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE IT AT THEIR HOUSE, WHICH JUST IN MY, IN MY VIEW MEANS THAT THOSE, THOSE THOSE EV SLOTS WON'T GET USED.
UM, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GRANTS THAT WOULD COVER THE COSTS POSSIBLY OF THOSE CHARGING STATIONS AND OR OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, LEASE OUT SPACE TO THE COMPANIES WHO MAKE THE EV VEHICLES, UH,
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TO PUT THEIR OWN BRANDED STATION? UH, CHARGING STATIONS KIND OF LIKE, UH, THE TESLA ONES THAT ARE, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO FIVE GUYS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT COUNCIL MEMBER.WE HAVE NOT EXPLORED THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD, SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO? YEAH.
AND IF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL IS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THESE TWO PROJECTS, IF IT'S ADVISED, UH, NOT TO PURSUE EV CHARGING STATIONS, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IN OUR OPCC.
WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BRING THE COST OR OPINION, A PROBABLE COST OF CONSTRUCTION DOWN? I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WELL, YOUR PARKS DIRECTOR, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THERE'S GONNA BE HIGH DEMAND IN A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK FOR EV CHARGING STATIONS? UH, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, IT, IT MAY BE MORE IDEAL TO PUT THEM IN CENTRALLY LOCATED AREAS OR DOWNTOWN AREAS.
UM, SO I I, I, I DEFINITELY SEE YOUR POINT.
WELL, I THINK THIS, THE, THE IDEA OF EV CAME FROM LAVERDE AS WELL AS OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE WANTING TO DO THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE WE DID IT THERE DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DO IT HERE.
AND IT MIGHT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I DON'T THINK IT IMPROVES WHAT WE'RE DOING AT ALL TO PUT THOSE STATIONS IN PERSONALLY.
HEY, CAN I JUST ONE MAY ONE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE TIMELINE.
UM, I JUST, FIVE DAY SIX MONTHS FOR DESIGN OF PERMING.
I MEAN, ARE WE FEELING LIKE, SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO 2026 WHEN THIS WOULD BE FINISHED.
IS THAT ANY CHANCE? WE'RE, WE'RE, IF WE GO WITH THE PERMEABLE OPTION FOR, UM, FOR STEEPLECHASE? YEAH.
WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT A YEAR ON TIMELINE.
THE DESIGN TIMELINE IS GONNA BE CUT IN HALF IF WE GO WITH PERMEABLE.
YEAH, JUST WANT TO SAY, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT BOTH THESE PARKS LEAD TO THE VIBE TRAIL AND IF WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BE ON VIBE TRAIL, I THINK HAVING NAVY STATIONS THERE AT WATER LEAK WHERE IT STARTS, OR EVEN OVER AT STEEPLECHASE, WHERE IT ENDS, WHERE, 'CAUSE IT, THAT VIBE TRAIL GO FROM WATER LEAK ALL OVER TO STEEPLECHASE.
SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME AND HIT THE VIBE TRAIL, THAT MIGHT BE AN ENCOURAGEMENT THERE.
HOW ABOUT WE SLEEVE IT? IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE THIS SET UP AND THEN MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, IF EVERY, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LIKE, MAN, PEOPLE ARE PARKING THERE AND THEY'VE GOT EVS, LET'S PUT IT IN THERE.
BUT I THINK IT'S SORT OF TELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE CART LEADING HORSE OR HOWEVER YOU SAY IT.
IT, I JUST, I'M, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT CONVINCED AT LEAST IN OUR CURRENT CONFIGURATION FOR THE CITY, THAT THOSE EV STATIONS AREN'T GONNA GET USED.
WE, I MEAN WE, I'M JUST SAYING WE COULD SLEEVE IT.
MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN THERE'S ACTUALLY DEMAND THERE.
I THINK YOU'D HAVE A HARD CASE MAKING A DEMAND FOR FOUR EV CHARGER STATIONS AT STEEPLECHASE AND, AND WATER LEAF.
WE CAN ALSO CONSIDER, UM, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH DESIGN, UM, MAYBE STRUCTURING THOSE AS ALTERNATE ITEMS IN THE BID SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE UNDER THE GROUND SLEEVES OR TO PUT IN SOME NUMBER OF THEM SO WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN GET THAT DATA AS PART OF OUR, AS PART OF OUR CONSTRUCTION BID PROCESS.
THEN WE COULD COME BACK AND AS WE'RE BIDDING IT, THEN YOU'LL KNOW HOW MUCH OF A SAVINGS REALLY IS IT.
AND, AND MAYBE IT COULD BE REALLY SIGNIFICANT.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WE'RE JUST YEAH.
WE DO, YOU HAVE A BID AND WE WANNA DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THE GROUND AND WITHIN THE PARKING LOT SO THAT WE, IF WE EVER WANT TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AND, AND WHAT I'M GOING BY IS THAT DOESN'T COST MUCH MONEY.
SOMETHING THAT I'VE LOOKED AT.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UH, WALKING TRAILS IN AUSTIN THAT THEY'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD TRAILS THERE.
YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, BATTERY OPERATED CARS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING TO MYSELF.
THEY'RE PARKED THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
I GO, WHAT DO THEY NEED TO BE CHARGED? I MEAN, THEY, I MEAN, I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT YOU SPEND ALL DAY ON THE TRAIL, WHERE'D YOU COME FROM? I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT COME FROM OUTTA TOWN TO, INTO AUSTIN TO WALK THEIR TRAILS AS WELL.
SO I WAS WONDERING, HOPEFULLY IF OUR GOAL WAS TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE PEOPLE COMING TO OUR CITY TO WALK OUR TRAILS, THEN WE WANT TO GIVE EVERY, YOU KNOW, UH, ASSET TO THEM.
YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THEM WANT TO COME HERE.
SO THE TRAIL PART IS, IS, IS, I ACTUALLY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE PEOPLE GO TO WATER LEAF, IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO THE VIBE OR FUTURE VIBE TRAILS.
WELL AS A, A FOUR MULTI MILE NATURAL TRAIL.
SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF PEOPLE STAYING THERE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I STILL THINK FROM A VOLUME STANDPOINT TO, IN ORDER TO MAKE THESE THINGS JUSTIFY EVEN REMOTELY THE INVESTMENT WE HAVE TO MAKE IN THEM, YOU, YOU NEED A HIGH VOLUME OF TURNOVER, WHICH IS WHY MCDONALD'S AND, AND, AND WA UH, WALMART AND THOSE, UH, HIGH, YOU KNOW, URBAN AND RETAIL AREAS JUST MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE THAN A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN, IN MY OPINION.
SO I'D LOVE TO AT LEAST HAVE AD ALTERNATES SO WE CAN SEE HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING INTO WATER LEAF.
'CAUSE THINK ABOUT IF IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, LET'S SAY, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN WATER LEAF? I'M NOT TRYING TO REDUCE THE INVESTMENT, BUT I CAN THINK OF A LOT OF WAYS TO BRING MORE VALUE TO THE RESIDENTS IN WATER LEAF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAN, THAN THE EV CHARGING STATION.
SO I AT LEAST WANT US TO CONSIDER IT.
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JUST GO AHEAD.I'LL JUST HAVE TO JUMP IN TOO.
SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I ALSO DISAGREE, UH, TO SOME POINTS BECAUSE I DO SEE THAT THE, ON WEEKENDS THERE ARE A LOT OF USERS AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE VARIETY.
AND I, I HEAR WHAT MR. RIZZO'S SAYING.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO CATER TO PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND VISIT, UM, AND WANT TO USE THE TRAILS AND, YOU KNOW, GET HEALTHY AND THE HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.
AND SO, BUT IT, IT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO AT LEAST START WITH, UH, ONE, UM, AND THEN HAVE, UM, THE SLEEVES READY TO, AS WE NEED MORE, WE ADD MORE, BUT GIVE US THAT OPTION SO THAT IT'S THERE SO IT DOESN'T COST US AGAIN TO RIP IT UP.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO THAT.
UM, SO I DO LIKE THE ELEMENTS OF THE SHADING AND THE LIGHTING.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE THAT PEOPLE GETS TOO DARK OUT THERE FOR THEM TO USE IT.
UM, I HOPE THAT WE'RE STILL GONNA DO MORE ON THE FIELDS.
SO IF WE DO SAVE ANY MONEY BY REDUCING THE EV UH, STATIONS AS THE, THE MAYOR'S ALLUDING TO, I WANT THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE FIELDS.
UH, THE BASEBALL FIELDS, THE SOCCER FIELDS, UM, WHERE IT CAN GET US THE MOST VALUE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED ELECTRIC VEHICLE.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU NEED.
AND THERE'S ALL TYPES OF USERS AND HOMEOWNERS.
UM, AND THEN ON THE STEEPLECHASE PART, I DO LIKE INCORPORATING ELEMENTS OF PERMEABLE, BUT WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS WOULD YOU HAVE WITH PERMEABLE, LIKE IN THE LONG RUN, LONG TERM? DO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A MAINTENANCE PRO, UM, RECURRENCE MAINTENANCE, BUT WILL THOSE THINGS GET MUDDY TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A MUDDY, MUDDY PARKING LOT, UM, OR IF PROPERLY MAINTAINED, THEY SHOULDN'T GET MUDDY.
THOSE, THE, THE GEOGRID, UH MM-HMM.
INTERLOCKING PAVING SYSTEM SHOULD RETAIN THOSE.
BUT AS STAFF DOES THEIR SWEEPS AND THEIR ROUTINE INSPECTIONS MM-HMM.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANY SIGN OF DISTRESS THEY'RE WEARING, BUT THEY'RE MEANT TO BE A CAPITAL PROJECT 20 YEAR LIFE ON THESE MATCH.
JUST LIKE YOU GET OUT OF SOMETHING LIKE ASPHALT, THAT'S NOT BEING PROPOSED ON THE BASKETBALL COURTS.
BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WORKS ON WITH A DRIBBLE LIKE A BASKETBALL OH, NO, NO.
UH, JUST, JUST THE BACK ONLY, ONLY ON THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S A MAT WITH A SUBSTAN WITH, UH, PEBBLES INSIDE MM-HMM
AND WHAT IT DOES, IT, IT ALLOWS WATER TO DRAIN DOWN INTO THE GROUND AS WELL.
SO NOW YOU'RE KEEPING THE ENVIRONMENT AND IT KEEPS THE COOLING DOWN AS WELL.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT HOT PAVEMENT THERE, BUT IT, IT'S A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT.
I LIKE TO SAY ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR OVER TWO YEARS, UM, PROBABLY LONGER THAN THAT, BUT, UH, IN WATER LEAF, UH, IT WAS, UH, A DISTURBANCE TO THE, THE NEIGHBORS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD COME AND PARK AND USE THE SOCCER FIELDS.
UM, SO HAVING THAT PARKING LOT WELL DESIGNED IS, IS REALLY GONNA HELP REDUCE HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE PRESSURES.
WELL, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THEY'RE BAD PRESSURES, BUT, UH, COMMUNITY PRESSURES OF HAVING A PARK, IT'S GONNA MAKE THAT SPACE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT.
INCREASING CAPACITY, 40 TO 50%.
AND, AND I WAS JUST FOCUSED ON THE SHADING, UH, AND ON THE GETTING WATER OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN THOSE FIELDS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT THE EV STATIONS, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE ONCE SOMETHING FUNCTIONAL TO START WITH AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
AND I THINK TAKING MRS. TRU LOVE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, FOR THE ADD ALL WILL REALLY SHOW US IF, IF THERE IS A BID THAT COMES IN WITH SOME VALUE FOR CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE MAY WANT TO CAPITALIZE ON.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA STAND UP HERE AND BE HIPAA CRITICAL AND SAY, UH, I WANT GOLDEN STANDARD.
BUT THEN YOU'RE NOT REALLY PRODUCING GOLDEN STANDARD YOU THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
THAT'S, THAT'S INEQUITY IN MY VIEW.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING A GOOD FAIR BALANCE TO EVERYBODY.
CUSTOMER HARRIS, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE HAVING INTERACTIVE KIOSKS AT THE PARKS? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR TRAIL SYSTEM OR JUST PARKS IN GENERAL? THE AT EACH PARK PARK, IT, ITS SOMETHING WE LOOK INTO JUST FOR WAY FINDING AND, AND INFORMATIONAL AREAS.
YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING IF WE DO INTERACTIVE KIOSKS, UM, WE COULD SURVEY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO THAT PARK TO SEE IF THEY WOULD USE, UH, EV CHARGERS.
WE'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT WIFI CONNECTIVITY OUT THERE.
UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED WIFI AND ALL OF OUR PARK SYSTEM.
CUSTOMER, CAN I JUST CIRCLE BACK TO THE REQUEST TO, TO PURSUE OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE EV UM, CAR COMPANIES TO SEE IF THEY WOULD PAY US ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO LEASE THIS SPACE.
WHICH, IF IT IS A THING ACCORDING TO THE INTERNET AND THESE COMPANIES DO IT, THERE'S PROGRAMS FOR IT, WHICH COULD HELP
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OFFSET MONTHLY COSTS OF UPKEEP AND THINGS WITHIN THE PARK THEMSELVES.SO IF THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO? THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.
WELL, I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD REDUCE OUR INVESTMENT.
I'M SAYING THAT THE EV STATIONS ARE NOT THE BEST, HIGHEST USE GOLD STANDARD.
IMAGINE WHAT A HUNDRED EXTRA THOUSAND DOLLARS OF SHRUBBERY IN FRONT OF THE PARK WOULD DO TO HELP AS FAR AS AND OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND EXTRA DOLLARS IN SHADE.
I THINK IF YOU ASK THE PEOPLE IN WATER EAF, REALLY ANYONE IN THE CITY WHO, WHO WOULD USE ANY RESIDENT AND TAXPAYER WHO WOULD USE THE PARK DOES NOT NEED A CHARGING STATION.
EVEN IF THEY LIVE ACROSS TOWN, THEY HAVE THEIR CHARGING STATIONS AT THEIR HOUSE.
SO THE CHARGING STATIONS ONLY BENEFIT SOMEONE WHO'S COMING IN A LONG DISTANCE AND NEEDS TO USE THAT SPACE IN ORDER TO CHARGE THEIR VEHICLE AND, AND MOVE ON.
AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN FROM FAR OUTTA TOWN IN A, IN A YEAR TO EITHER OF THOSE PARKS IS SMALL.
AND THE AMOUNT OF THOSE THAT HAVE AN EV IS EVEN SMALLER.
AND THE AMOUNT OF THOSE THAT HAVE AN EV AND WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO CHARGE THEIR VEHICLE MIGHT BE ZERO.
SO I'M JUST, I, I WOULD, I WANT, WE HAVE A LARGE BUCKET OF MONEY FOR INVESTMENT IN THESE PARKS, SO THIS IS JUST PART OF THE OVERALL INVESTMENT STRATEGY.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE OVERALL DOLLARS GO AS FAR AS THEY CAN.
I'M NOT TRYING TO REDUCE THE QUALITY HERE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY BRINGS A RETURN TO PEOPLE IN WATER LEAF OR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AT LEAST WE CAN CONSIDER HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST AND WHAT WE MIGHT COULD DO WITH THE ALTERNATIVES CUSTOMER.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY ALL FOR THE ASPHALT BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY INCREASES IT BY 40 TO 50% OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT THAT'S THERE, CORRECT? OR NO, IT'S GONNA BE SAME AMOUNT.
BOTH SCENARIOS? BOTH SCENARIOS WILL, YES.
I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE AESTHETICS BEHIND IT.
I KNOW ASPHALT'S WHATEVER, THERE'S ASPHALT EVERYWHERE.
UM, BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE PLANTING AND THE LIGHTING.
UH, AND I KNOW WE'LL PROBABLY TALK LATER ON.
I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING LOT, BUT LATER ON ABOUT THE LIGHTING IN THE FIELDS.
'CAUSE THAT'S BEEN A REQUEST MANY TIMES.
SO, UH, I'M KIND OF IN FAVOR OF SCENARIO ONE WITH THE ASPHALT, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS THAT, UH, UH, THE DESIGN CAN TAKE UP TO SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR FEMA.
UH, I'VE LIVED OUT THERE FOR ALMOST 22 YEARS, AND I THINK ADDING ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS AND IT'S GOT GRAVEL ALL THIS TIME, UH, WOULD NOT MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
UH, BUT THAT'S JUST MY SCENARIO ON THAT.
UH, AND I KIND AGREE ON BOTH THE MAYOR'S POINT.
DO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE CHARGING STATIONS TO AN AREA WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET OUT AND EXERCISE ANYWAY, OR WALK TO, OR RIDE A BIKE TO, OR RUN TO? UM, BUT I ALSO SEE THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T BE PUTTING MY HEAD IN THE SAND THAT A TECHNOLOGY TODAY REQUIRES A LOT OF THESE CARS TO HAVE ELECTRICITY.
AND TO MR. ER'S POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR EACH PARK.
IF THEY WERE TO GET IN WITH A CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY THAT WANTS TO PUT THEIR LITTLE STATIONS OUT THERE AND PUT CITY KYLE LOGO ON IT AND WE CHARGE 'EM A FEE FOR EVERY LITTLE THING THEY GOT.
MAKE IT A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
ONE, ONE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE IMPACT WOULD BE THAT, I MEAN, OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PRODUCES EFFLUENT AND PUMPS THE EFFLUENT RIGHT UP ONE 50 IN FRONT OF WATER LEAF.
UH, THERE REALLY SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY WE AREN'T ACTIVELY PURSUING USING THE EFFLUENT TO WATER THE FIELDS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING GONNA MAKE A BIGGER QUALITY OF LIFE IMPACT THAN JUST MAKING THAT MOVE RIGHT THERE ON THAT, ON THAT PARK, BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES IT MAKE THE GRASS GREEN, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO HOLD IT TO A HIGHER STANDARD LEVELING AND, AND, AND A, A BETTER TURF.
THAT'S NOT ON THIS AGENDA, BUT IT'S COMING.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY TO SUGGEST THAT IF THAT WASN'T INCORPORATED, THAT ABSOLUTELY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD INTO THE PROJECT.
SO, AND, AND I DID, IF I MAY, UM, WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR, FOR THIS SLIDE.
UM, WE WE'RE STILL IN QUESTION, UM, AS OF UNTIL TODAY.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THE PARKING LOT AT STEEPLECHASE BY THE PLAYGROUND WAS WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S NOT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO THAT PARKING LOT, UH, IS SLATED TO BE ASPHALT.
MOTIONS COUNCIL HAS, YEAH, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 21.
CAN I AMEND IT? HAVE TO LOOK, LOOK AT THE, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
ALRIGHT, MO MOTION BY COUNCILOR HEISER.
SECONDED BY COUNCILOR HARRIS THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 21, OPTION ONE.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COUNCILOR ZUNIGA, UH, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS FOR THE EV STATIONS FOR PRE PLUMBING
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ONE OR NONE, OR AT LEAST SOME, SOME OPTIONS FOR, UM, VARIETY.THAT NEEDS TO BE A MOTION TO AMEND.
AND THAT'S A MOTION TO COME IN.
YEAH, YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T ADD THAT EV PART INTO YOUR MOTION.
SO, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT, UH, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND MY MOTION.
SOMEONE NEEDS TO SECOND THAT RIGHT? SECOND? NO, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO AMEND, LIKE, WHAT'S YOU'RE GONNA MOTION.
UM, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM, UH, 21, OPTION ONE, SCENARIO TWO, WITH THE, UH, AMENDMENT THAT STAFF WILL LOOK INTO THE EV CHARGING STATIONS, THE COSTS, UH, THE INSTALLATION, UH, POSSIBLE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS.
AND ADD AND, AND BID AS AN ADD.
THE, THE AMENDMENT MOTION TO AMEND WAS MADE BY COUNCILLOR HEISER, SECONDED BY COUNCILL ZUNIGA.
THE AMENDMENT IS TO BREAK OUT THE EV, PUT IT AS AN ADD, ALTERNATE, AND CONSIDER ALL OF OUR OPTIONS.
SO, WE'LL FIRST, IS THERE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO AMEND? I'LL FIRST VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
IS THERE ANY, UH, DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
STEEPLE CHASES, GET IN THE PARKING LOT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT STEPS IS AGENDA ITEM 22.
[22) Consider approval of a resolution approving Task Order No. 1 with Brinkley Sargent Wiginton Architects, Inc., to provide preliminary design services for a new facility at 1500 Dacy Lane in the amount of $69,000.]
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION APPROVING TASK ORDER NUMBER ONE WITH BRINKLEY SERGEANT WING TON ARCHITECTS, INC.TO PROVIDE PRELIMINARY DESIGN SERVICES FOR A NEW FACILITY AT 1500 DACY LANE IN THE AMOUNT OF $69,000.
MS. TRU LEFT, I SAID THE CITY PURCHASED 1500 DACY LANE AT THE END OF DECEMBER OF 2024.
UH, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING.
IT'S, UH, 10,650 SQUARE FEET WITH NO INTERIOR FINISHES.
UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WILL BE USED FOR, UH, POTENTIALLY FOR A VARIETY OF, OF DIFFERENT CITY PROGRAMMING ELEMENTS.
THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES DATA COLLECTION, COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT, UH, STAFF FEEDBACK AND REVIEW MEETINGS.
UM, EXTENSIVE STAKEHOLDER INPUT.
UH, GONNA HAVE STAKEHOLDER INPUT, UM, SPACE PLAN, INTERIOR DESIGN CONCEPTS, UH, PROGRAMMING, UH, AND SCHEMATICS, UH, BUDGET FOR THOSE, UH, INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IF WE HAVE COUNCIL AWARD TODAY, UH, WE WOULD WORK THROUGH MAY OF 2025 TO COLLECT DATA IN CITIZEN INPUT.
UH, HAVE TWO PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS.
UM, IN THAT TIMEFRAME, BY JULY OF 2025, WE WOULD HAVE A SPACE PLAN AND INTERIOR DESIGN CONCEPTS COMPLETE, UH, PARKS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS WOULD BE MADE IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD FINISH PHASE TWO AT THE END OF DECEMBER IN 2025, WHICH WOULD, UH, INCLUDE, UH, COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, ON THE INTERIOR ASPECTS.
IS BRINKLEY SERGEANT HERE? YES.
I'M SORRY IF YOU WEREN'T FINISHED.
UH, SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE TEST ORDER.
CAN YOU GO TO THE LAST SLIDE? YES.
AND CAN I HAVE BRINKLEY SERGEANT COME UP FOR A SECOND? ABSOLUTELY.
IS STEVE, THIS IS STEVEN SPRINGS OR, UH, BSW.
IS, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU, YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL MAY TO COMPLETE YOUR TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS? WHY COULDN'T WE DO, UH, ONE IN LATE JANUARY AND ONE IN LATE FEBRUARY? I MEAN, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO GO FOUR, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOU GUYS.
IS IT? THE AMOUNT OF INPUT THAT IS DESIRED BY YOU GUYS WILL BE OUR, OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLE.
SO WE JUST HAD TO HAVE SOME STARTING PLACE.
WELL, WHAT I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU SAID TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, AND STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.
WE'LL HAVE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO COLLECT A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THOSE TWO MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE WELL ADVERTISED.
BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL MAY BEFORE WE START, TAKE THE NEXT NEXT DECISION ON THIS.
I WOULDN'T BE WAITING TILL MAY.
IT'S JUST HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES.
DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW MUCH ENGAGEMENT YOU GUYS WANT TO EMBRACE.
SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND IT, TO YOUR POINT THAT THERE'S, THAT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH, MUCH, THERE'S SOME URGENCY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG.
AND I'M JUST IDENTIFYING SEVERAL MONTHS WE COULD SHAVE OFF THE PROJECT WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT ALL.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S PROBABLY AN ERROR, MAYOR.
AND THE WAY WE CRAFTED THIS TIMELINE, UH, THAT WE WOULD JUST BE ACCOUNTING FOR THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONTRACT TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO INCORPORATE DESIGN BASED ON THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED.
BUT WE WOULD BE PURSUING PUBLIC INPUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN BEGIN WORKING THROUGH CONCEPTS AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH TOMATIC.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT? YEAH, JUST MAY.
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THE REASON WHY THAT NUMBER REALLY, I MEAN, THAT DATE REALLY JUMPED OUT AT ME TOO.'CAUSE I MEAN, WE ALREADY PURCHASED A BUILDING AND I MEAN, WITH OUR CITY BUILDING, WE WERE READY TO GO AT THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS COMPLETED BY APRIL.
SO I, I JUST WANNA SEE US GOING A HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR ON THIS PROJECT, MAKING SURE WE GET IT DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER.
I MEAN, UH, UM, WHEN I SAW MAY, I WAS LIKE, WOW.
I MEAN, WHY ARE WE WAITING SO LONG? YEAH.
TO, SO TO ADD TO THAT POINT, LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PROPER PROJECTS ON REPUBLIC, THEY'RE FINISHED OUT PROJECTS READY TO GO.
SO YOU JUST GOTTA DO THE INTERIOR.
AND WE'RE NOT EVEN PROPOSING TO START DESIGN UNTIL AFTER THAT ONE'S GONNA BE DONE.
SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S ABSOLUTELY SOME WIGGLE ROOM IN THIS PROCESS TO STILL GET THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT DONE.
BUT IT'S AN INTERIOR FINISH OUT.
WE'RE, IT'S JUST NOT THAT, NOT THAT HARD.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT FIVE MONTHS TO START THE, START THIS PROJECT, OR SEVEN MONTHS TO, TO START THAT ACTUAL WORK.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, TO HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO SHORTEN THIS TIMEFRAME UP.
WE'LL TRY TO BE AS PROGRESSIVE AS POSSIBLE, UH, UH, WITH THIS TIMELINE.
UH, THE DIFFERENCE WITH, THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE I WOULD SAY BETWEEN THE REPUBLIC BUILDING AND THIS BUILDING IS YOU DO HAVE A PRE-INJURY MIDDLE BUILDING WITH A A SHELL.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD OFF, UH, THE, THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTOR WAS ABLE TO BUILD OFF EXISTING AS-BUILTS, WHEREAS THIS ONE'S GONNA PROBABLY REQUIRE A LOT MORE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS AND, AND A LOT OF THE PERMIT THAT GOES WITH IT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PUBLIC INPUT WE RECEIVE FOR PROGRAMMING, WE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THAT IN THE TIMELINE TO GET THE PROPER ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING FOR INSTRUCTION.
AND, AND TO ADD TO THAT POINT WHERE THE MAYOR IS SAYING, THIS IS STILL A SHELL.
WE'RE NOT DESIGNING A WHOLE BUILDING, WE'RE DOING THE INSIDE.
SO WE GET THE PUBLIC INPUT, LET'S GET THE DESIGN TEAM GOING AND LET'S GET WORKING ON THIS BUILDING TO GET IT DONE.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A SHELL.
I MEAN, WE'VE, THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING ALSO HAS ALREADY ALL THE CUTOUTS SO WE CAN RUN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO IF WE CAN GET MOVING ON THIS BUILDING PRETTY QUICKLY, I MEAN THE, THE BUILDING'S READY TO GO.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT JUST UN UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC INPUT, GETTING DESIGN.
BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.
THAT'S ALL IT TAKES TO GET THE PUBLIC INPUT.
SIX MORE WEEKS FOR DESIGN, UH, THEN SIX WEEKS TO START CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOUR MONTHS, THAT'S FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS BEFORE WE BREAK GROUND ON IT.
IF, IF, IF THE IDEA IS THAT WE CONDUCT SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH OVER THE NEXT SIX WEEKS IN ABOUT FEBRUARY 15TH, CLOSE THAT AND WE COME BACK TO CONCEPTS, WE CAN DO IT CERTAINLY THAT WAY.
TYPICALLY, YOU TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE TAX ABUSES THAT ARE DESIRED.
YOU COME BACK WITH A FEW OPTIONS, ASK PEOPLE TO VOTE ON THOSE OPTIONS OR INJURIES AS YOU BRING FORWARD A FINAL RECOMMENDATION, A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COUNCIL AND PARK FORM.
BUT IF THE COUNCIL'S GOAL IS TO BE PUBLIC INPUT, UH, IN, IN A DIFFERENT WAY, WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT.
BUT, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK WITH A SHORTER TIMEFRAME IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, BRIAN, CLEARLY IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S VERY MANY PEOPLE UP HERE WHO WOULD LIKE A, A FASTER TIMELINE THAN THIS.
WHAT DO YOU, KNOWING THAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS REASONABLE, THE MOST REASONABLE SCENARIO THAT COULD BE QUICKER THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE THAT'S NOT PUTTING EVERYONE ON, IN, ON YOUR TEAM IN A PINCH? WELL, I, I THINK, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT GOES OUT.
I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME KINDS OF, SOME KIND OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT YOU HAVE.
UH, WE CAN TRY TO COMPRESS THAT.
I THINK THERE'S TIME THAT CAN COME BACK OFF OF THIS.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH I, I DON'T WANT SPECULATE WITHOUT REALLY SITTING DOWN.
AND WE COULD, THE DIRECTION IS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WE CAN COME BACK, DO THAT.
YOU WANNA LOOK AT COMING BACK TO YOU IN END OF FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT, WHY DON'T YOU TELL US IF THAT'S, UH, PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT I DON'T, AND I'LL SPEAK FOR EVERYONE HERE IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO CUT CORNERS.
THAT IS, WE DON'T WANNA SPEED UP THE TIMELINE TO CUT CORNERS.
WE ARE READY TO GO WITH THIS LOCATION AND TO MAKE A DECISION TO HAVE SOMETHING IN FRONT OF US, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE BIGGEST THING IS SOONER THAN MAY, THE BIGGEST DATE THAT GETS ME IS DECEMBER 25TH.
WE'RE NOT GONNA FINISH THE BUILDING UNTIL A YEAR LATER AFTER WE PURCHASE IT.
I MEAN, THAT JUST, I'M, I'M JUST SITTING THERE GOING, THIS IS SLOW.
I I SEE THE JULY 25 TO START THE PLAN.
I'M THINKING THAT'S WHEN THE, THE FINALIZATION.
WE SHOULD BE OPENING THE DOORS BY THEN JULY.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS FINISHING OUT THE INSIDE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BUILDING THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO IT DOES HAVE BE ENGINEERED THE PROJECT.
BUT WE JUST VOTED ON SOMETHING BEGINNING TO END FOUR MONTHS.
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BE WHY, BUT WHY IS A DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE YOU USE REQUIRES WORK TO GO QUICKER.AND YOU USE THAT ONE DOES REQUIRE AS MUCH ELECTRICAL WORK, AS MUCH MECHANICAL WORK SORT OF THINGS THAT DO REQUIRE AN ENGINEERING ARCHITECT.
YOU DON'T EVEN STARTING THAT UNTIL, UNTIL JULY.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH BACK, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I JUST DO WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES.
THIS ONE DOES REQUIRE A LICENSED ARCHITECT DOING WORK.
THE OTHER ONE, WE'RE NOT DOING THE KIND OF FINISH OUT THAT REQUIRES ANY SORT OF CHANGES OF THE STRUCTURE OR ELECTRICAL LOCATIONS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT ONE CAN MOVE AS QUICK AS IT CAN AND JUST BE A JOB CONTRACT.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DESIRE TO MOVE FASTER.
WE'LL CERTAINLY TRY TO MOVE IT FASTER, BUT THERE ARE TIMEFRAME.
I ALSO WANT TO GIVE, MANAGE EXPECTATIONS AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
I, BY MOVING IN BY JULY, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IS POSSIBLE.
SO I WANT TO BE VERY HONEST WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT.
WE, WE, WE'LL TRY TO MOVE QUICKER.
BUT THE LICENSED, LICENSED ARCHITECTS ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT'S NOT OVERLY COMPLICATED.
THE INTERIOR ELECTRICAL BUILD OUT IS NOT THAT COMPLICATED.
I'VE, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'RE DOING ON THESE PROJECTS.
MANY OF US, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING YET THOUGH.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT.
I THINK THAT THIS FACILITY IS NOT, IT'S NOT AN OPEN-ENDED DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DO YOU WANT TO USE WITH THIS FACILITY.
THE COUNCIL BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY WITH A SPECIFIC PURPOSE IN MIND.
AND WITHIN THAT PURPOSE, THERE'S SOME ROOM, WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE EXACTLY HOW IT'S GONNA GET USED, BUT IT'S AN EVENT SPACE THAT'S PRIMARILY GONNA BE THE NEW HOME FOR THE, UH, THE SENIORS.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT DOES NOT TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT.
PRESENT BACK SOME OPTIONS TO US AND LET, AND LET US GIVE YOU THE FEEDBACK, GO WITH THIS, AND THEN START DESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
SO, AND IF, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BRINKLEY'S SITUATION IS, IF Y'ALL ARE READY TO, UH, TO, TO, TO DO DESIGN WORK OR, SO THIS IS JUST A CONTRACT FOR THE, THE OUTREACH OR DOES THIS INCLUDE ALL THE ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEER WORK AS WELL? WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSAL AS NOW IS TO DO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THE PROGRAMMING AND THE CONCEPT.
SO THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE CONCEPTS BASICALLY DONE BY JULY.
WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD INITIALLY WHEN WE WERE ASKED FOR A PROPOSAL WAS THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO BE IN BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO THIS, THIS TIMELINE WAS BASED ON THAT GOAL.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT UP.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LETTING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT GOAL THAN THAT NOW UP.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU, WE CAN CHANGE ON THE FLY THIS CONTRACT? OR DO Y'ALL NEED TIME TO, TO, TO REWORK IT AND MAKE A PROPOSAL? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, IF Y'ALL HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER FIRM IN, IT'S LIKE IT'S, WE, WE, WE RESPOND TO THE ORDER OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS IMPORTANT.
THE WAY THE ITEM IS DRAFTED, IT'S A RESOLUTION.
SO WE CAN APPROVE THE CONTRACT IN FINAL FORM APPROVED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO IF WE WANNA CHANGE THE TIMELINE AFTER THIS MEETING, YOU GUYS CAN STILL APPROVE THE CONTRACT.
WE CAN CHANGE THE TIMELINE AND HAVE THE NEW TIMELINE AND THE SIGNED CONTRACT.
WE CAN ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER TIMELINE YOU GUYS DICTATE.
AND MAYBE ANOTHER THING TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WE STRUCTURED IT.
A LOT OF TIMES WITH STUDIES, THE CHALLENGE IS SCOPE OF WORK IS TO, TO DEFINE THE SCOPE OF WORK.
SO WE APPROACH STYLE OFTENTIMES AS AN HOURLY NOT TO EXCEED.
SO FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT OUR CONTRACT HAS IS A SCOPE DESCRIPTION AS BEST AS WE COULD UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTAND UP TILL TODAY.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND ANY MORE HOURS ON IT THAN WE NEED TO TO ACHIEVE YOUR END.
AND SO ONCE WE, ONCE WE HAVE THAT SCOPE DEFINED, HOWEVER LONG THAT TAKES, IT CAN BE ACCELERATED, OBVIOUSLY, DEPENDING ON THE, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT IS THE FUZZIEST THING.
AND IF WE COMPRESS THAT, THEN IT COMPRESSES THE WHOLE SCHEDULE TO YOUR POINT.
UM, AND THEN, BUT ONCE WE GET TO THE END OF THAT STAGE, THEN WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, TO THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A, A STRUCTURAL ISSUE TO CONTEND WITH OR NOT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A LOT OF MEP TO CONTEND WITH OR NOT.
SO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL TO ENGINEER THOSE SYSTEMS. WE DON'T EVEN NEED AN ENGINEER FOR THOSE SYSTEMS. SO THIS, THIS SCOPE OF WORK IS INTENDED TO GET THIS TO A POINT OF A CLEARLY DEFINED PROJECT.
SO YOU'D HAVE A, AN APPROVED CONCEPT AND SPACE PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT THAT POINT.
AND THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD ROLL RIGHT INTO DESIGN IN ORDER TO MEET YOUR SCHEDULE.
SO IF WE, IF WE SAID SIX MONTHS OR SIX WEEKS OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FROM, FROM THIS VOTE, THAT PUTS THAT CALL, THAT THREE MEETINGS FROM NOW OR TO, OR THREE TOTAL MEETINGS.
SO THAT'S THE SECOND MEETING IN, UH, IN FEBRUARY TO COMPLETE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
AND THEN SIX WEEKS TO DESIGN, TO PUT YOUR CONCEPT PLAN TOGETHER.
THAT PUTS US IN THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH.
RIGHT? SO IF, IF THAT'S TO DICTATE, WE WOULD JUST DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST STRATEGY TO GET THE BEST LEVEL ENGAGEMENT WE COULD GET WITHIN THAT TIMELINE.
UH, I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD BE HOW WE WOULD REACT TO THAT DICTATE THE PROPOSALS FOR TWO, TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS.
I THINK YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, RIGHT? SIX, SIX WEEKS.
THE HARDEST PART TO GAUGE TIMELINE WISE, FRANKLY, IS A SURVEY.
'CAUSE I JUST, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED A SURVEY.
JUST MEANS HOW LONG DO YOU LEAVE IT OPEN? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF A THING.
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DO LIKE AN ONLINE SURVEY DURING THAT SIX WEEKS, I SUPPOSE TO COLLECT INFORMATION.YOU PROBABLY WANNA HAVE A SURVEY, I WOULD SAY A MINIMUM OF A MONTH OPEN TO, TO TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT OF ENGAGEMENT.
AND THAT CAN RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE PUBLIC MEETING.
BUT WE, BUT WE'VE DONE A TON OF SURVEYS ON WHAT DO THE PEOPLE WANT SENIOR CENTER VERSUS REC CENTER VERSUS, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THAT.
WE JUST SPENT SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO GET THAT INFORMATION, WHICH LED US TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE, WHICH LED US TO TO, TO GET US ON THIS PATH.
AND SO WE, I MEAN THAT'S GREAT.
I'M WORRIED YOU'RE, WE'RE GONNA JUST BE GOING IN CIRCLES ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE IN HAND, IT JUST HELPS US, LIKE YOU SAID, MOVE THAT MUCH FASTER.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET ABOUT
WELL, I, I DEFINITELY SEE VALUE IN EXPEDITING THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I, I DON'T WANNA MINIMIZE THE, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT INPUT.
UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING.
IT IS, UH, VERY RAW AND, AND JUST DROWNING IN POSSIBILITY.
AND I, I DON'T WANNA SEE US RUSH A PROJECT AND THEN MISS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE MADE IT BETTER AND THEN REDO IT AGAIN A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW WHEN WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN A COUPLE MORE DAYS OR A WEEK AND, AND REALLY PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT INTO IT.
UM, I, WHILE I DO AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR, THAT YOU KNOW, JULY IS WAY FURTHER OFF THAN WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
UM, I, I DO WANT TO AT LEAST GET THAT PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE WE WE LAUNCH FORWARD ON, ON WELL, OKAY.
ALL MY ONLY RESPONSE, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING JUST IN PRINCIPLE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE POSSIBILITIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE, WE, WHEN WE MADE THE ACQUISITION, WE LIMITED WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES WERE WITH THE PROJECT.
AND SO A LOT OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA SEEK ABOUT WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HERE IS NOT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE WE MADE THIS ACQUISITION FOR A REASON IN, IN PRINCIPLE SERVE AS A MULTI-USE BUILDING WHERE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE MEETING SPACE.
UH, BUT THAT PRIMARILY IS GONNA BE DESIGNED WITH THE INTEREST OF THE SENIORS IN MIND SO THAT THEY CAN USE THAT SPACE.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, I PROMISE YOU THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A FLOOR PLAN.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE AT THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS COULD SHOW YOU WHAT THEY WANT TO DO NOW.
AND WE HAVE TO JUST DECIDE WHAT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO TO ADD TO IT.
AND THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AREN'T GONNA BE TECHNICAL.
LIKE WHAT I THINK YOU'RE THINKING OF AS FAR AS LIKE HOW WE MIGHT DESIGN IT, HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GONNA, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HOW MUCH WE'RE WILLING TO INVEST IN THE, IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE, THE INTERNAL RENOVATIONS, THE THOSE, I'M WAITING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS, BUT THE, THE PUBLIC'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS FOR US.
AND IF WE GO OUT AND THEY SAY THEY WANT TO, THEY, THEY THINK THAT A BETTER USE FOR THE BUILDING WOULD BE A LIBRARY OR A DANCE HALL OR A, OR JUST WHATEVER IT IT MIGHT BE.
SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO, TO GO OUT AND ASK PEOPLE OF WHAT ARE ALL THE MULTITUDE OF WAYS THAT WE WANT TO USE THIS FACILITY.
WHEN WE MADE THE ACQUISITION WITH A SPECIFIC PURPOSE IN MIND, THAT HAS NOT CHANGED AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT COMMITMENT.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, IF WE'RE GONNA ASK FOLKS, IT'S LIKE, HOW, WHAT IS THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASK FOR ALL THESE WEEKS AND MONTHS TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC? AND THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS NOT HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS FACILITY USED? THE QUESTION IS THIS, THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO BE A MULTIPURPOSE EVENT SPACE THAT HAS A PRIMARY TENANT OF THE SENIOR C CITIZENS.
WITHIN THAT CONTEXT, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THIS SPACE TO BE USED? AND THAT'S JUST A VERY SPECIFIC, VERY LIMITED QUESTION THAT YOU CAN GET WITH A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE THERE.
JUST LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE AT, AT OTHER PROJECTS.
LIKE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GO, WHEN WE, WHEN WE ACQUIRED THE, THE, THE POND FOR HEROES MEMORIAL, WE DIDN'T GO OUT AND SAY, HOW WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE THIS FACILITY? HOW WOULD THE PUBLIC LIKE THIS TO BE DONE? DO SURVEYS.
WE BROUGHT IN THE FIRST RESPONDERS, WE BROUGHT IN THE VETERANS AND WE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ENGAGEMENTS WITHIN A VERY SPECIFIC LIMITED WINDOW OF TIME.
AND IT DIDN'T TAKE THAT LONG, FRANKLY, BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK.
BUT STILL, A LOT OF THE DESIGN, HOW MUCH WE INVESTED IN IT, HOW IT LOOKED FORM AND FUNCTION, THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE BY THIS COUNCIL WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECT THROUGH AN ENGINEER OR THROUGH A DESIGN PROCESS.
SO I'M JUST, I JUST THINK THAT, I THINK WE CAN GO FASTER ON THIS.
AND I'M ACTUALLY WORRIED THAT IF WE GO OUT AND HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH SURVEYS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF, WHERE WE'RE OPENING IT UP TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A FACILITY, WE'RE OPENING UP TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES AND OPINIONS.
WE'RE GONNA BE FURTHER AWAY, COME, COME MAY THAN WE ARE NOW.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO I, I WANNA SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD, WHICH IS WHY I'M TRYING TO LIMIT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AS MUCH AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UH, COUNCILOR TOBY, NOT AT YOU.
FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE THIS BUILDING.
I DRIVE BY IT EVERY NIGHT AND THE WAY IT'S LIT UP, THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF ON THE OUTSIDE IS, IS GENUINE.
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I KNOW THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE INTERIOR DESIGN, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HOLD IT UP TO THAT PART.AND I'VE BEEN INSIDE THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE IT HAS ANOTHER LEVEL ON TOP THAT COULD BE USED AS A SECOND STORY OFFICE SPACE.
THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT, THE WAY THE DESIGN IS.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S SO MUCH POSSIBILITY AND, AND, AND, AND, AND TO SPEAK FOR, FOR THE COUNCIL AS, 'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR YEARS FOR, UH, THE SENIOR CITIZENS AND SO FORTH IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND SO FORTH.
SO IT'S, YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND, SIR, THAT WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AND WE ARE, WE, WE MAYBE SOUND VERY EAGER BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND IT'S FINALLY HERE.
SO, UM, I, I DO AGREE ON, ON THE, THE TIMELINE, ON, ON THE INPUT, JUST BE ABLE TO SEE IT, UH, HAVE THE COMMUNITY, UH, LOOK AT IT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PRIMARY GOAL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY'S SAYING IS WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR.
THEIR MAIN GOAL WAS FOR OUR SENIOR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A FACILITY, TO HAVE EVENTS, UH, FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR ACTIVITIES AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO ON THAT NOTE THERE, I, I THINK, UH, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HOLD YOU THIS, WE CAN, WE CAN REALLY STAY TO THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE REALLY REQUESTING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU AND APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR INPUT.
HONESTLY, I, I THINK WE'RE JUST ALL EXCITED ABOUT THE BUILDING.
YEAH, WE SEE THE POSSIBILITIES.
WE KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION WAS WHEN WE WENT AFTER FOR THIS BUILDING, BUT I WANNA THANK STAFF AS WELL FOR GETTING THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE FOR US.
ACQUIRING THE, THE BUILDING AS WELL.
SO I, I DON'T WANT THAT TO GO UNNOTICED.
I KNOW THIS WAS A TRICKY, UH, BUILDING TO GET AND PURCHASE.
SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
AND I'M SORRY WE'RE PUTTING THIS PRESSURE ON YOU, BUT WE'RE, WE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN GOING AFTER FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE IT TO COME TO FRUITION IN, IN, IN REAL TIME COUNCILOR HAUSER.
SO HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONTRACT, BUT STIPULATE VERY SPECIFICALLY, UH, THAT WE WOULD LIKE AN EXPEDITED TIMELINE? DID DID YOU, DID YOU BASE THE, THE PROPOSAL ON, YOU SAID ON HOURS.
AND SO YOU'RE KIND OF SAYING THIS IS HOW MANY HOURS, THE 69,000 AND WE'RE PLANNING TO STRETCH IT OVER A COURSE OF THIS PERIOD.
CAN YOU GIVE US THE HOURS? BUT JUST IN THE, THE 12 WEEKS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA REDUCE YOUR VALUE THAT YOU ADD.
I WANT TO HAVE YOU WORKING ON THIS MORE THAN OTHER PROJECTS.
NO, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
I MEAN, OUR, OUR JOB IS GONNA BE TO, TO MEET YOUR GOALS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THOSE ARE.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT TIMELINE IS, IS THE OVERARCHING GOAL.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD WORK TO MEET, MEET THE TIMELINE, BUT WE, WHAT COUNCILOR HEISER IS ASKING, WE WANNA SET THAT IN THIS MOTION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE UNDER A SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM US.
I'D, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE MID-MARCH THAT WE'D BE BACK TO COUNCIL IN AND I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE OF A COUNCIL MEETING.
MAYBE WE COULD, JESSE, IF YOU COULD LOOK AND SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT BE THAT WE WOULD RETURN TO COUNCIL BY A SPECIFIC DATE.
WOULD THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN ANY CONCEPTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST SOME PRELIMINARY CONCEPTS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER? SECOND MEETING IN MARCH, SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.
WE COULD JUST SAY SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DATE IS, BUT 18TH, THAT WOULD BE A, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME.
YOU COULD DECIDE THAT'S ENOUGH.
YOU COULD ALWAYS DECIDE YOU WANTED TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU WERE, BUT IT WOULDN'T LOCK YOU INTO EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS.
BUT AT LEAST YOU'D KNOW YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING THERE TO CONSIDER AT THAT POINT.
SO THE COMPLETION OF ALL OF PHASE ONE BY MID-MARCH, RIGHT? THAT WOULD MOTION TO GIVE, TRY TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH AS THAT AS WE COULD.
SO MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, AGENDA ITEM 22, THE CONTRACT FOR BRINKLEY SERGEANT, BUT WITH A, UH, AN ESCALATED TIMELINE OF, UH, FOR PHASE ONE, UH, TO BE COMPLETED AND PRESENTED TO COUNSEL BY THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH 2ND.
ALRIGHT, MOTION BY COUNCILOR HEISER.
SECOND BY CO, UH, COUNCILOR HARRIS THAT WE APPROVED.
AGENDA ITEM 22, UH, E EXPEDITING PHASE ONE TO BE COMPLETED BY SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MAYOR PERSONAL.
SO IF THAT'S BRINGING US UP, UH, A COUPLE, TWO MONTHS AND WE SHOULD BE TAKING THE FINISH UP PRODUCT TWO, THREE MONTHS HOPEFULLY IF WE GET THE ENGINEERING GOING.
SO JUST, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THEY'RE DOING THEIR PART NOW.
IT'LL BE UP TO US TO DO OURS WHEN IT COMES BACK.
YEAH, BY THEN YOU'D HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.
ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[23) Consider approval of a contract with Jackson & Ryan Architects for a comprehensive feasibility study on building and operating a City of Kyle Animal Care Center in an amount of $82,000.]
23.CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT WITH, WITH JACKSON AND RYAN ARCHITECTS FOR A COMPREHENSIVE FEASIBILITY STUDY ON BUILDING AND OPERATING A CITY OF COL
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ANIMAL CARE CENTER AND AN AMOUNT OF $82,000.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
LET'S SHIFT FOCUS TO AN ANIMAL CARE CENTER FACILITY.
UH, THIS ITEM IS FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY CONTRACT.
A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND FOR THIS ITEM.
THE SAN MARCUS REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER PLANS TO RELEASE ITS INTERLOCAL PARTNERS BY 2026.
UH, THIS DUE TO THE GROWING DEMANDS IN THE CENTRAL TEXAS REGION.
THIS GIVES THE CITY OF KYLE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SELF-SUSTAINING OPTIONS FOR AN ANIMAL CARE CENTER.
UH, AND, UH, STAFF HAS GONE OUT AND DONE AN RFP, UH, AND SELECTED JACKSON AND RYAN ARCHITECTS TO DO A FULL COMPREHENSIVE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THIS.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY ENTAILS IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL KICK OFF IN JANUARY, ASSUMING THE APPROVAL OF THIS CONTRACT AND COMPLETE AROUND MAY OF 2025.
THERE IS A, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE IS A KIND OF A SHOCK CLOCK ON THIS ITEM AS WE, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO DESIGN AND EVENTUALLY CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ANIMAL CARE FACILITY.
THE STAFF WILL TAKE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND IN MULTIPLE PHASES, WHICH WE'LL SEE IN JUST A MINUTE, BRING BACK TO COUNCIL DIFFERENT STEPS AND EVENTUALLY BRING A FULL FEASIBILITY TO THAT WILL LEAD INTO A DESIGN CONTRACT.
SO, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY, STUDY THIS WITH JACKSON RYAN AND I, I WANNA MENTION THAT I'LL GO THROUGH THIS AT A HIGH LEVEL AND ANSWER ANY SIMPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, KIM HESEN HERE FROM JACKSON RYAN, IF WE WANNA GET INTO ANY MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION.
AND THANK YOU FOR HANGING OUT, UH, FOR THIS ITEM.
BUT THE, FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE FIRST THING THEY'LL DO IS A FULL NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S GONNA BE ALL THE DATA COLLECTION, THE RAW DATA COLLECTION, THE PUBLIC INPUT, THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT.
WE'LL WORK WITH, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT WORKSHOPS AND VISIONING.
WE'LL LOOK AT PROGRAMMING FOR THE SPACE.
THIS IS REALLY A HUGE UNDERTAKING RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, NOT ONLY FROM THE CITY ITSELF, BUT ALSO DATA THAT WE'VE COLLECTED FROM THE SAN MARCUS ANIMAL REGIONAL SHELTER.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THERE'LL BE A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA SET ANYTHING IN STONE, BUT I IMAGINE AT THIS POINT WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNSEL, GIVE A REPORT ON THAT, ON THAT FIRST NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THE DATA THAT'S COME OUT OF IT AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE IN USING ALL OF THAT DATA AND THE PUBLIC INPUT WILL MOVE INTO A SITE EVALUATION PHASE.
LUCKILY, JUST FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL AND STAFF THAT HAS LOOKED AT DIFFERENT SITES, WE HAVE EIGHT TO 10 DIFFERENT SITES THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER ALREADY.
I'M SURE THAT NUMBER WILL GROW, BUT A LOT OF THAT WILL BE WHITTLED DOWN AS WE LOOK AT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT DATA.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO AN OPERATIONS AND FINANCIALS, LOOKING AT FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS AND COST ANALYSIS FOR THE, FOR THE CARE CENTER ITSELF.
AND THEN OF COURSE, A FULL REGULATORY AND LEGAL PHASE THAT LOOKS AT ANIMAL STANDARDS COMPLIANCE.
AND THE PRIORITIZATION OF STAKEHOLDER FINDINGS WILL BRING ALL OF THAT BACK TO COUNCIL, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY ALL TOGETHER LEAD INTO A FINAL CONCEPTUAL DESIGN THAT TAKES ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND WITH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
AND THOSE DESIGNS WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL.
SO PROBABLY IN TWO TO THREE STAGES WE'LL WORK THROUGH THIS, UH, BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL, GETTING FEEDBACK, AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT PHASE.
BUT FOR TONIGHT, WE JUST HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH JACKSON AND RYAN UP FOR APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS.
IT'S AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS, BUT VERY NECESSARY FOR WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MAYOR PROTON? YEAH, I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD, UH, STAFF HAS HAD, UH, MEETINGS WITH, UH, THE COUNTY AS WELL.
I KNOW THEY SENT US SOME INFORMATION AS WELL WHERE WE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT INFORMATION TO HELP OUT THIS PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.
BRIAN, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THEY DID, WERE WE ABLE TO GIVE IT TO OUR TEAM TO, UH, SEE IF WE COULD SHORTEN THAT TIMELINE DOWN A LITTLE BIT? UH, WE, WE DO HAVE THAT DATA THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, PROVIDED, UH, WE'LL BE SHARING THAT WITH THEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A VERY CAREFUL EVALUATION OF THAT INFORMATION.
AND THE KEY, THE CHARACTERISTICS JUST FOR KYLE, BECAUSE THAT STUDY THAT THE COUNTY DID WAS NOT FOR KYLE, IT WAS FOR AN COUNTYWIDE CORRECT, UH, PROGRAM.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT JUST THE KYLE RELATED DATA TO SEE, UH, WHAT DO WE NEED AND WHAT WOULD THE, THE OPTIONS BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE AS IF WE TALK TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
SO YES, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IT.
WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PASSED ON TO THE CONSULTANT.
YEAH, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE WE HAD THEY HAVE PASSED THAT ON.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT COULD MAYBE SHORTEN, UH, HELP THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AS WELL.
IT JUST DOESN'T REPLACE ALL OF THE OTHER WORK, BUT IT DOES HELP.
UM, SO IF THIS GOES THROUGH THIS APPROVAL FOR THE JACKSON RYAN, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THEIR PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO HELP IDENTIFY SITE LOCATIONS? WELL, I CAN INVITE KIM UP HERE FOR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTENSIVE EXPLANATION, BUT JUST INITIALLY
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AS AN OVERVIEW, ALL OF THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT.THE, THE DATA THAT'S COMING IN THE, THE, UM, RIGHT SIZING, UM, THE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, UH, GROWTH OF OUR REGION, THAT WOULD ALL GO INTO THE SITE EVALUATION OF HOW MUCH SPACE WE NEED AND WHAT WOULD BE A BEST LOCATION.
UM, AND, AND WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ON THE SITE EVALUATION.
UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN ADDITION, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY INPUT DURING THAT TIME AS WELL.
BECAUSE WHERE THAT'S LOCATED, WHERE THE SERVICES ARE MOST NEEDED, UM, BEING ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE CENTRALIZING THE LOCATION IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT MOST ACCESSIBLE AND MOST EFFECTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE SITE EVALUATION.
'CAUSE UM, SAME THING WITH THE, THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST, UH, LOADED ON.
I WAS DRIVING AROUND KYLE SEEING LIKE, OKAY, WELL WHAT EXISTING BUILDINGS DO WE HAVE IN OUR CITY THAT WE COULD UTILIZE FOR THIS PROJECT OR FOR THIS NEED? UH, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO DO THE SAME THING.
'CAUSE AS YOU GO AROUND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF POCKET PROPERTIES IN KYLE.
AND SO IF THERE'S A, A SPECIFIC PLAN, LIKE AS FAR AS, UH, SURVEYS AND DATA THAT YOU'RE GETTING, MAYBE THIS LOCATION IN THIS PART OF TOWN MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE VERSUS RIGHT.
HAVING SOMEWHERE MAYBE UP NORTH OR MORE SOUTH RIGHT.
VERSUS THE EAST, WEST, UH, CORRIDORS OF, OF KYLE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THE PROS AND CONS THAT'LL GO INTO IT.
BUT WHAT, HAVING THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO GIVE US THE ACTUAL SIZE REQUIREMENTS, THAT'LL BE THE FIRST PARAMETER.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF IT NEEDS TO BE THIS BIG AND THE EXISTING PROPERTIES ARE THIS BIG, THEN IT, IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES AND BASED ON WHAT PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND WHAT EXCESS THERE IS, FUTURE VISIONS FOR THOSE AREAS AND HOW THIS WOULD FIT INTO IT FOR SURE.
'CAUSE THERE'S OTHER AREAS IN KYLE THAT SAY, WELL, 10 ACRES FOR SALE AND FIVE ACRES OVER HERE.
BUT THEN AGAIN, HOW BIG IS THE FACILITY? AND, AND THIS, THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE A LONG, LONG TERM, UH, BUILDING ITSELF.
SO, AND COUNCIL MEMBER, TOBIAS, YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS UPCOMING FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
AND SO ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS HAD WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT SITES AND YOU ALL HAVE MENTIONED, HEY, THIS MIGHT BE A DECENT LOCATION OR WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THIS.
WE'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES, SO WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE LIST THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE TO HAND OVER TO JACKSON AND RYAN.
I NOTICED I'VE ALREADY SCOUTED AND THEN I SENT Y'ALL THE EMAIL.
UH, TO YOUR POINT, UH, MAYOR PRO, SORRY, UM, TOBIAS, COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS, UH, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE SITE EVALUATION AS WELL.
UM, ARE THEY, CAN SHE COME BACK? YES, SURE.
SO Y'ALL, Y'ALL, Y'ALL BUILD THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ONLY, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY BEAUTIFUL, UH, GOOD, BEST, BEST PRACTICE ANIMAL SHELTERS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY YOU JUST CAN'T GO INTO ANY TYPE OF BUILDING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS A FUNCTIONAL LEGAL THING THAT NEEDS TO HOUSE, UH, LIVING ANIMALS, UM, RIGHT.
THAT SOMETIMES ARE ABANDONED OR PETS, WHATEVER.
UM, AND THE WHOLE POINT IS TO HAVE THEM ADOPTED, RIGHT? SO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT CONDUCIVE THAT WOULD, THAT'S GONNA BE BENEFICIAL, AS YOU SAID, CENTRAL MAYBE MAY WORK MM-HMM
BUT ALSO YOU WANNA HAVE THAT GREAT, LIKE, GREEN ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT.
SO TO MAKE IT A FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU START, BUT WHEN YOU START YOUR EVALUATIONS, YOU LOOK FOR THE GOOD GREEN OPEN PARK SPACES THAT, THAT ARE FEASIBLE TO THE GOAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, FOR SURE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PREJUDICES AGAINST ANIMAL SHELTERS YES.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THOSE KINDS OF PATHS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY, BUT FOR THE LONG, LONG-TERM ANIMAL SHELTER AND NEEDS.
SO WE FOCUS ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AND I THINK THAT THE PROCESS INVOLVING THE, THE COMMUNITY INPUT, UM, ALLOWS US FOR SOME MITIGATION FOR SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
THAT WE, WE ARE, CUS IT'S VERY COMMON TO HAVE THAT KIND OF NIMBYISM ABOUT ANIMAL SHELTERS.
ADDRESSING THAT IN THE UPFRONT DURING THIS PROCESS WILL MAKE THE REST OF THAT PROCESS AND THE BUILDING DESIGN, ALL OF THAT GO A LOT MORE SMOOTH.
UH, SO THE ADVANTAGES OF ANIMAL SHELTERS ARE THAT THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDE A PUBLIC SERVICE IN TIMES OF DISASTER RECOVERIES OR, UM, EDUCATION.
AND THEY BUILD COMMUNITIES, THEY BUILD VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WE WANT, WE WANT THOSE TO BE THE FOCAL POINTS AS YOU, UH, CRAFT AND DESIGN THIS AND BRING IT FORWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO I, I'M, UM, I LOOKED AT SOME OF YOUR PAST PROJECTS, SO I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THEM.
ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
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APPROVE IF THIS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY.
DO WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 23? IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[24) Consider an appeal of the Planning and Zoning Commissions’ denial (3-2) of a Conditional Use Permit for a building façade revision to use solid garage doors located at 250 Chula Hill Drive, in accordance with the I-35 Overlay District Development Standards, Section 53-899(c)(4). (ProSource - CUP-24-0120) ]
NEXT UP IS AGENDA ITEM 24.CONSIDER AN APPEAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S DENIAL THREE TO TWO OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING FACADE, UH, REVISION TO USE SOLID GARAGE DOORS LOCATED AT TWO 50 CHULA HILL DRIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE I 35 OVERLAY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UH, MR. LUTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR APPLICANTS ARE HERE.
UM, SO TONIGHT, UM, WE'RE HERE.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS A RECENT CASE THAT WENT THROUGH PNZ, UH, ON, UH, LAST MONTH.
UM, THIS IS REGARDING I 35 OVERLAYS, UM, REGARDING THE NEW PRO SOURCE BUILDING.
SO IT'S LOCATED AT TWO 50 CHULA HILLS DRIVE.
UM, THIS IS A HAYES COM PARK CENTER.
UM, THIS IS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, SO THERE IS A, A SPECIAL ZONING ON THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE I 35 OVERLAY.
SO WE HAVE TWO SETS OF, OF GOVERNING REGULATIONS HERE.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF A PROJECT STARTED BACK IN, UM, EARLY COVID.
UM, SO LITTLE, LITTLE HISTORY HERE.
SO APPLICANT SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING PERMIT, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THIS WAS JUST BUILDING REVIEW, UH, STANDARD CONSTRUCTION DOCKS.
UM, FEBRUARY 22, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED BY OUR THIRD PARTY.
UM, WE NEEDED A SITE DEVELOPMENT AND A CUP THAT'S PART OF THAT THREE STEP PROCESS TO BUILD IN THE I 35.
SO THEN, UH, FEBRUARY THAT SAME YEAR, UM, WE DID GET A SITE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
UM, BUT THEN SEPTEMBER, THAT'S THAT YEAR, UH, PAD SITE STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
WE STILL HADN'T ISSUED ANY PERMITS, UH, AND GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UH, SO OCTOBER 22, WE HAD SOME PLAN REVISIONS, A COUPLE OF ROUNDS OF THOSE.
UM, BUT THEN IN JUNE, 2023, UH, STAFF ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER.
UM, THE BUILDING WAS VERTICAL AND WE WERE STILL WAITING THOSE CS AND, AND SDPS AND STAFF'S CONCERN WAS IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT CUP, IT COULD RESULT IN TEARING DOWN OF, OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO, UM, WE DID WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, GOT THE AUGUST, UH, 23 CUP REQUEST.
UM, SO THEY WERE, UH, LOOKING AT PERMITTING THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UH, AGAIN, DID NOT MEET ALL OF THE I 35 OVERLAY, BUT THEY PROVIDED SOME, SOME OFFSETS THAT WOULD HELP KIND OF MEET SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT.
UM, SO ON AUGUST 23, PMZ DID APPROVE THOSE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.
UM, THEY DID HAVE A CONDITION THAT SOME OF THE AWNINGS, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL AWNINGS BE ADDED, UM, AND, AND PLACED IN BETTER AREAS.
UH, SO OVER DOORS, WALKWAYS, NOT JUST OVER SOME OF THE BAY DOORS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE ISSUED OUR BUILDING PERMIT IN SEPTEMBER 23.
UM, STAFF WENT OUT TO DO OUR FINAL INSPECTION AND NOTICED, UH, THERE WAS SOME MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO, UH, UH, THEN WE TOOK THAT TO PNZ IN DECEMBER.
AND, UH, THEY DID APPROVE THE AWNING MODIFICATIONS.
SO THERE WERE SOME SHOWN ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT THEY DID, UH, DENY THE DOOR A GARAGE DOOR MODIFICATION.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO APPEAL THAT DECISION.
UM, SO HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
YOU'LL SEE THE AWNINGS, UM, OVER THOSE, THOSE DOORS AND THE GLASS.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WHAT WAS INSTALLED.
AND SO, UM, PNZ WAS OKAY WITH MOVING 'EM TO THE BACK 'CAUSE THEY, THEY FELT THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE WAS.
IT WAS MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
UM, BEING THESE WERE DELIVERY DOORS, UH, THEY WEREN'T SURE THAT THEY WERE, WERE NEEDED.
SO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS TONIGHT.
UM, YOU CAN APPROVE THE REQUESTED APPEAL AND ALLOW THE SOLID GARAGE DOORS.
UM, YOU CAN ALSO APPEAL WITH MODIFICATIONS.
UM, YOU CAN PROPOSE ANY, ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT THAT YOU FEEL YOU DEEM NECESSARY.
UM, OR YOU CAN DENY THE REQUESTED APPEAL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT, UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE, THE APPLICANT TENANT OF THE BUILDING ARE HERE THIS TIME.
SO, UH, GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MAYOR.
Y'ALL, WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANTS GET THEIR, THEIR VERSION OF IT BEFORE WE GO INTO IT? HELLO, MY NAME IS BOBBY SPEARS, UH, RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF COV.
I'D FIRST LIKE TO THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE AND YOUR TIME AND EVERYTHING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO TAKE TO THANK STAFF AND APOLOGIZE TO STAFF, UM, FOR HELPING GETTING US THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
NORMALLY WE RELY ON THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD AND THE ENGINEERS OF RECORD TO HANDLE THINGS WITH YOU ALL.
AND SOMEWHERE AROUND LATE 2021, IN 2022, THE BILL, WE AS THE BUILDER RECEIVED WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE PERMIT FROM THE ARCHITECT WAS THE STEM DRAWINGS FROM RICHARD EMERSON SAID PERMANENT DRAWINGS AND SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, I GUESS
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THERE WAS SOME, IT WASN'T THE PERMANENT CHAOS OR ANYTHING AND WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING AHOLD OF THE ARCHITECT AND STUFF AND STAFF.SO I INSERTED MYSELF SINCE I LIVED IN KYLE TO BE THE GO-BETWEEN WHICH COULDN'T HAVE BEEN EASY BETWEEN PROSOURCE ARCHITECT, THE ENGINEER, AND, UM, CITY OF KYLE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND, UM, THAT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN EASY ON STAFF BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND ARCHITECT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH THERE AND EVERYTHING.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK AND APOLOGIZE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGAIN.
UH, THE ARCHITECT DIDN'T SHOW UP TO THAT MEETING.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE OR MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I WASN'T TRYING TO BE A COMBATIVE, I WAS JUST USING THE AMMUNITION I HAD, WHICH WAS TRY TO TALK ABOUT CODE AND TRY TO GET THROUGH THERE.
THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ALL TO JIMMY BONNER.
HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF PROSOURCE AND HE DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND THE ABILITY TO CHANGES AWNINGS, WHAT WHATEVER, UH, WE NEED TO DO TO GET EVERYTHING RIGHT WITH YOU ALL ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, THE I 35 CORRIDOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO TURN THE MIC OVER TO HIM.
THANK YOU MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AS BOBBY SAID, I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENTERTAIN WHATEVER MODIFICATIONS THAT Y'ALL MIGHT ENTERTAIN PRESENTING TO US.
UM, WE ARE VERY, VERY PROUD TO BE IN KYLE.
WE'RE ANXIOUS TO BECOME CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF KYLE AND GENERATING JOBS AND TAX BASE AND ALL THE FUN THINGS THAT BUSINESSES DO.
WE, UH, WE LOVE OUR BUILDING, YOU MIGHT SAY IT'S TURNED INTO A BEAUTIFUL BABY.
IT WAS JUST A REALLY HARD DELIVERY.
UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M NEW TO PROSOURCE.
I'VE BEEN IN MY INDUSTRY FOR 35 GOING ON 36 YEARS.
I STARTED AS PRESIDENT OF PROSOURCE IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
SO A LOT OF THE LEGACY OF ISSUES HERE I'M UNAWARE OF WAS, HAD NO INVOLVEMENT IN.
BUT WHAT I AM GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN IS A SOLUTION.
AND I CAN, AND I CAN HELP DELIVER SOLUTION PRETTY RAPIDLY.
AND YOU'LL HAVE MY, MY WORD AND MY SINCERE COMMITMENT TO GET US TO THAT.
AND, UH, THE WAY THIS BUSINESS HAS GONE, THE WAY THIS PIECE OF WORK HAS GONE IS NOT AT NOT IN THE LEAST INDICATIVE AS THE KIND OF CITIZEN THAT WE WILL BE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO BUSINESS.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE REPRESENTED BY HOW I ALLOW MY COMPANY TO DO BUSINESS.
SO MY APOLOGIES TO EVERYBODY HERE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE THAT WE'VE CAUSED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT I'M ALL ABOUT THE SOLUTION.
I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN WHAT YOU HAVE AND, UH, WE'LL EAGERLY WAIT TO HEARING FROM EACH, EACH OF YOU OR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COMMENT.
WELL, I, I REALLY, UH, APPRECIATE YOU SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS PROCESS IS, HAS BEEN REALLY JACKED UP AND I THINK YOU'VE FRUSTRATED YES.
SEVERAL PEOPLE, UH, IN, UH, THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.
AND YOU PROBABLY GOT SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO, UM, ON THAT PART, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY A WHOLE LOT, BUT I DID TAKE THESE PHOTOS.
SO I WANT, I JUST WANT TO, UH, UH, AND I JUST HAD GRANT THROW HIM UP THERE.
HE'S VERY QUICK AND GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES.
SO THESE WERE TAKEN LIKE THREE HOURS AGO RIGHT BEFORE I CAME TO THE MEETING.
THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACADE IS, I WOULD SAY IS, IS UP TO STANDARD.
UH, AT THE BACK OF THE, THE BACK OF THE FACADE, THE BOTTOM LEFT PICTURE.
THOSE ARE ROLL UP DOORS FOR WAREHOUSE TRUCKS TO ENTER AND EXIT.
UM, I, THE, SO, AND THEN THE TOP LEFT IS LITERALLY STANDING IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT.
UH, TOP LEFT IS KYLE CHAPMAN AUTO.
UH, THAT BUILDING IS NEW, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T LOOK NEW.
THEY, UH, THEY CAME AND REQUESTED A VARIANCE TO MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO.
I, I CAN'T REMEMBER MY DATES, BUT IT'S BEEN WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THE, THE, THE, THE REASON I DON'T REMEMBER IS BECAUSE, UH, VARIANCE REQUESTS DON'T COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
BUT THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE PLANNING AND ZONING UNANIMOUSLY GAVE THAT, UH, KYLE CHAPMAN DUR.
I MEAN, YOU CAN HIT IT WITH A ROCK.
YOU SEE THE BACK, THE BACK ROLL UP DOORS A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDER THE I 35 OVERLAY.
EVERY REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW, THEY HAD TO FOLLOW.
BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY CAME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FIRST AND ASKED PERMISSION TO PUT ROLL UP DOORS IN OUR PANEL AND RED IRON ALL OVER THEIR BUILDING.
I DIDN'T WANT TO, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT TO DO IT, BUT THE PLAYING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF KYLE CHAPMAN MOTORS AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN IN THE SOCIETY.
AND IT'S IN THE BACK BEHIND THE DEALERSHIP THAT WAS A FORMER GAS STATION.
THEY HAD A BIG, LONG, ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND UNANIMOUSLY GAVE IT THE, I FEEL QUITE CONFIDENT THAT IF YOU HAD APPROACHED THE PLAYING AND ZONING
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COMMISSION WITH THAT MINDSET, YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN, UH, AT LEAST PROBABLY THE ROLL UP DOORS.'CAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY, THE, THE GLASS ON THE BACK BEHIND IS, IS A I 35 OVERLAY STANDARD DESIGNED TO, UH, INCREASE BEAUTY IN RETAIL AREAS.
BUT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY AND THOSE DOORS HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC UTILITY AND GLASS SHOULDN'T BE THERE IN, IN MY OPINION.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE ALSO SUPPOSED TO PUT IN AWNINGS, WHICH YOU PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNTS OR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN AUGUST OF 2023, WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD.
AND THEN IT DIDN'T GET BUILT THAT WAY.
STAFF HAD TO GET INVOLVED AND STOP, STOP YOU FROM MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN YOU TRY TO GET STAFF TO JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE IT, WHICH THEY CAN'T DO.
SO JUST, YOU'RE JUST NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
YOU HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THE RULES IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
AND I MEAN, I ONLY KNOW ABOUT IT RECENTLY, BUT IT, I IS, IS ANY OF WHAT I'M SAYING WRONG? DO YOU DENY OR DISPUTE ANY OF WHAT I'M SAYING AT THIS POINT? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A YOU'RE IN A POSITION THAT'S TOUGH.
BUT, SO I HAVE A PROPOSED SOLUTION ON THIS.
'CAUSE IT IS A VERY FAIRLY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD CASE.
BUT IF, IF Y'ALL, IF SOMEBODY'S WANTS TO JUMP IN AND ADD TO IT AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAY PRO TEM.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY TO THE BUILDER, I MEAN, STARTING CONCRETE BEFORE YOU GOT A PERMIT, I MEAN, DROP THAT, THAT'S A BIG CONSTRUCTION LIFT.
I MEAN, WITHOUT A PERMIT, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE GONE AND MADE YOU JACKHAMMER THAT OUT.
I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THAT BIG.
BUT ALL THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT ALMOST FELT LIKE YOU WERE SAYING FORGET THE CITY OF KYLE.
I MEAN, FORGET THE RULES, FORGET EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.
UM, THE ONLY SAVING GRACE YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT I KNOW THAT PROSOURCE IS A GREAT COMPANY.
'CAUSE I'VE PURCHASED A LOT OF PRODUCT FROM PROSOURCE, UH, FROM THEIR NORTH AUSTIN LOCATION.
SO I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THEM.
UH, SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY SAVING GRACE RIGHT HERE.
BUT REALLY I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE IN A PART OF ME.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE AND SAY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR RULES, OUR ORDINANCES, THERE'S, THERE'S A REASON WE HAVE RULES AND ORDINANCES IS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE, TO KEEP STRUCTURES RIGHT.
BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BUILDING SOME, A QUALITY PRODUCT FOR THE CITIZENS OF KYLE.
AND THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN COMMERCIAL ALL MY LIFE AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE RULES THAT ARE STEPS YOU TAKE.
I MEAN, IF I WOULD'VE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP IN AUSTIN WHERE I'M PUTTING MY BUILDINGS TOGETHER, DOING MY, UH, YOU KNOW, REMODELS, I MEAN, THEY WOULD'VE TOR MAYBE TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STRICT.
AND I THINK MAYBE WE, I'M VERY ANTI AUSTIN SOMETIMES, BUT SOMETIMES I, NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE RULES ARE THERE AND WHY THEY'RE THE WAY THEY ARE.
'CAUSE OF INSTANCES LIKE THIS WHERE PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? FORGET THE CITY.
AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY SAME GRACE RIGHT NOW IS THAT PROSOURCE HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD, UH, RETAIL PLACE THAT I, I BOUGHT A LOT OF, UH, PRODUCT FROM.
THEIR PEOPLE ARE PRETTY AMAZING.
I KNOW THEY'D BE A GOOD ACCESS FOR, UH, A GREAT RESOURCE FOR KYLE AS MOVING FORWARD.
BUT, UH, YEAH, JUST, UH, LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I'M NOT REALLY HAPPY WITH THE ATTITUDE OF BRINGING THIS BUILDING UP.
I MEAN, JUST ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS LATER.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS, UH, AREN'T BUILT TO THE RIGHT SPECIFICATIONS.
THAT'S WHERE, LATER ON YOU HAVE CRACKED FOUNDATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE WALL TILT WALLS THAT ARE PULLING APART.
THERE'S CODES AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S INSPECTIONS.
MAYOR, I JUST WANT SAY, I'M SO SORRY.
ILI LEARNED IT, I LEARNED NOT TO, WE WERE WORKING OFF THE ENGINEER DRAWINGS AND I TAKE FULL ACCOUNTABILITY.
I KNOW I NEED TO BE MORE ACTIVE WITH ASKING, ASKING THE ARCHITECT AND SAYING, ARE YOU SURE THIS IS RIGHT? AND ASKING THE ENGINEERS INSTEAD OF JUST WORKING OFF OF THE PLANS, GIVEN I MAKE NO EXCUSES, I TAKE FULL ACCOUNTABILITY AND I, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, SO, SO HOW IS IT THAT KYLE CHAPMAN RIGHT ACROSS FROM YOU, A SMALL BUSINESS THAT DOES NOT DO CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ALL THE TIME, UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY NEEDED TO ASK PERMISSION TO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES.
THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
WELL, THE ARCHITECT DID, DID THE CUP, THE ORIGINAL CUPI WAS WORKING OFF THE ENGINEERED PERMIT DRAWINGS THAT I DIDN'T GET THE, I GUESS THE ARCHITECT CUP, WHICH WAS MORE OF A RENDERING, RENDERING.
I WAS WORKING OFF THE STAMP DRAWINGS THAT HAD THE TILT WALL FROM THE ENGINEERS.
AND AGAIN, I'M MAKING NO EXCUSES.
I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WHAT THE ARCHITECT SUBMITTED TO AND GOT THE APPROVAL FOR WAS, IT WAS PRIOR.
THAT WAS, THE PRIOR APPROVAL WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE ENGINEER DRAWINGS WITH THE ENGINEERED STAMP.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT.
SO I WAS WORKING OFF THE ENGINEERED STAMP DRAWINGS, WHICH HAS A DIFFERENT ELEVATION, WHICH WAS IN THE PERMIT SET.
SO THAT'S WHY DURING THE SECOND CUPI, WHEN THEY ASKED,
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I COULDN'T ANSWER FOR WHY THE ARCHITECT OR THIS AND THAT.SO, AND IT'S NOT HIS, I, I SHOULD ASK THE QUESTION.
I JUST WANNA SAY, I APOLOGIZE.
I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION.
AND I WILL ASK, MAKE SURE THE ARCHITECT OR ENGINEER, I'M GONNA BE LIKE, HEY, LET SEE, LET ME SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND BE MORE ACTIVE IN THE CITY OF CA I'M BUILDING IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
I'VE LEARNED A LOT WITH DEALING WITH STAFF NOW.
I KNOW REALLY HOW TO VERIFY IF THE ARCHITECTS OR ENGINEERS ARE DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE DOING OR IF THEY HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I JUST BLINDLY WENT WITH THE ENGINEER DRAWINGS AND THAT WAS MY MISTAKE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING UP HERE AND SAYING ALL THESE THINGS.
I, I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME WITH THIS ONE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE PREDICAMENT THAT YOU'RE IN NOW.
UH, BUT I, THE THING THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS YOUR TIME TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
IT'S LIKE YOU GUYS GOT CAUGHT AND THEN CAME FORWARD AND NOW ARE ASKING, UH, TO NOT GET IN TROUBLE FOR IT IS KIND OF HOW IT FEELS FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AT LEAST.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT SETS A, LIKE I'M FAR FROM, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUILDING BUILDINGS AND I'M PROBABLY THE LEAST EXPERIENCED IN TERMS ON THAT SUBJECT, ON THIS DAIS.
UM, BUT I CAN SAY, UH, WITH CERTAINTY THAT I BELIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD FEEL WOULD SET A A, A BAD PRECEDENT MOVING FORWARD FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, WANTING TO BUILD IN OUR CITY.
AND, BUT WITH THAT SAID, IT'S LIKE I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO INVEST IN OUR CITY AND YOU WANT TO PLANT ROOTS IN OUR CITY.
AND THAT'S A REALLY HARD THING, UM, TO, UM, TO THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I'M, I DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO FORWARD? I DO, BUT I'M GONNA LET, I'M GONNA LET ZIKA GO NEXT.
I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR I GUESS ADMITTING YOUR WRONGS.
UM, BUT THE PROCESS IS KIND OF WHERE I HAVE A TROUBLE WITH.
I THINK THAT WE WOULD'VE GIVEN YOU OR I WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT A VARIANCE WHEN IF IT DIDN'T REALLY MATCH THE FUNCTIONALITY.
AND SO MY ISSUE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CODE FOR THESE OVERLAY STANDARDS AND IF WE LIFT THEM NOW, UM, THEN THAT MAY, UM, SNOWBALL THE NEXT BUILDER, UM, AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL DID THIS HERE AND Y'ALL DID, Y'ALL DIDN'T DO THIS HERE.
AND SO WHEN I DID DO A LITTLE BIT OF THE RESEARCH, YOU MENTIONED ACADEMY DIDN'T DO IT.
COSTCO DIDN'T DO IT IN THE OVERLAY 35 STANDARDS.
SO YOU KIND OF FELT LIKE, WELL, I COULD DO IT TOO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION WAS WITH THEM.
I DON'T KNOW THE COUNCIL THAT WAS THEN BACK THEN.
BUT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY PUSH FOR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING NICE WHERE WE CAN WITH, IN WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AROUND THE I 35 OVERLAY.
'CAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO ENHANCE.
AND SO THAT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU, THERE WAS A HISTORY ABOUT THE, THE COLOR HERE, THE BLUE PAINT.
AND I THINK THAT YOU CHANGED THAT.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU MADE IT BETTER.
YOU, YOU BROKE UP THE BLUE LIKE THE PRO SOURCE DID.
UH, SENT THAT OVER TO KAYLA S. SHARP.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE ARCHITECT, THE DOORS WERE DIFFERENT.
I REACTED ONCE I REALIZED THEY WERE DIFFERENT AFTER THE FACT.
I, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE.
IT'S HARD TO PULL A SNEAKY WHEN ONE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE Y'ALL, WHEN ONE'S HALF GLASS AND ONE'S A DOCK DOOR IS NOT HALF GLASS.
IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN AHEAD OF TIME, I WOULD'VE BEEN MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET A VARIANCE.
I JUST HONESTLY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE ARCHITECTURE DRAWINGS WERE DIFFERENT THAN THE ENGINEER'S DRAWINGS.
AND SO WHENEVER IT GOT MM-HMM.
WHEN JASON POINTED IT OUT, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A, A SOLUTION THAT I COULD HELP FIND.
IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE, YOU WERE KIND OF GETTING REALLY DESPERATE BECAUSE YOU ALSO SAID THAT YOU HAVE INVENTORY HERE THAT YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SEE.
AND GLASS WOULD THEN LET PEOPLE SEE YOUR INVENTORY.
AND THEN YOU HAD, UH, BURKE, YOU KNOW, POLICE REPORTS, WHICH NOBODY COULD FIND.
A POLICE REPORT HAD BEEN MADE HERE.
SO I DIDN'T LIKE THE STORIES THAT WERE INVENTED.
SO, UH, IT APPEARED TO ME LIKE THERE WAS A BIT DESPERATION IN, IN JUST PUSHING WITH THIS.
I, I, I WILL SAY, UM, APOLOGIZE.
WE DID HAVE THEFT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY Y'ALL COULDN'T FIND THE POLICE REPORTS, BUT WE HAD THE CAMERAS, THE POLICE GOT THE CAMERAS, BUT THAT'S THE INVENTORY AND STUFF.
I'M GONNA LET THEM SPEAK ON IT.
THEY'RE THE ONE THAT FED ME THAT TO SPEAK WITH Y'ALL ON.
UM, SO AS TENANT OF BUILDING, SIR, MY CONCERN WITH GLASS DOORS AND WAREHOUSING, AND I'VE BEEN IN THIS TYPE WAREHOUSING
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FOR A LOT OF YEARS,THE TRUCKS ARE GONNA BACK INTO THAT GLASS.
RIGHT? THE FORKLIFTS ARE GONNA BACK IN OR HIT THAT GLASS.
I, I'VE JUST, YOU JUST, AND SOME OF Y'ALL PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH WAREHOUSING, YOU ALMOST CANNOT MAKE UP THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN A WAREHOUSE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE WATCHING AN EPISODE OF THE OFFICE, YOU THINK IT CAN'T BE TRUE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE MM-HMM
SO, UH, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT KIND OF LIABILITY, THAT SAFETY.
I DON'T LIKE MY INVENTORIES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT EASILY STOLEN AND QUITE VALUABLE.
LIKE A BOX OF TILE THIS BIG WEIGHS ABOUT 20 POUNDS, CAN BE 80 BUCKS A BOX.
AND, AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SEE INTO THAT INVENTORY AND IN A INSECURE ENVIRONMENT LIKE THE BACK OF A WAREHOUSE FACILITY, TO ME THAT'S INVITING.
I'M JUST LIKE PUTTING THE MENU OUT THERE AND I'M TEASING EVERYBODY TO COME GET SOMETHING.
AND WE HAVE HAD SOME THEFT OUT THERE.
NOW, I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY YOU DIDN'T FIND A POLICE REPORT, BUT WE DID HAVE THE ITEMS STOLEN FROM THE JOB.
WHY? WHILE IT WAS IN CONSTRUCTION.
NOT SINCE IT'S BEEN SECURE, JUST TO BE CLEAR AND FAIR.
SO TO BE CLEAR AND FAIR YES SIR.
THE AWNINGS, WHICH ARE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT YOU PRESENTED HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY.
AND THEY'RE STILL NOT OUT HERE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE BEEN TOLD YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM IN AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ARGUMENT TO MAKE.
NO, I'M HAPPY IF, IF WE NEED TO PUT THOSE AWNINGS ON THE BACK, HAPPY TO DO IT.
THE AWNINGS WERE MOVED TO THE FRONT THAT ALL THIS WAS PRE-DRAWING.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO POUR ME THIS.
BUT ALL OF THIS WAS IN, IN ROUTE AND DELIVERY COMING DOWN THE AISLE WHEN I TOOK MY POSITION WITH THIS COMPANY IN JANUARY.
SO I WAS EXECUTING WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE THIS JANUARY OF 24.
SO THIS BUILDING, WE, THE LAND WAS PURCHASED LIKE 2019.
I THINK WE, THEY TRIED TO START CONSTRUCTION IN 2020.
THIS THING HAS BEEN COMING A LONG, LONG TIME.
YOU PROBABLY WISH YOU COULD GO BACK TO 2020 AND BUILD BACK THEN.
HEY GRANT, CAN YOU PUT THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO P AND Z AND HAD APPROVED UP ON THE SCREEN.
I WILL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR WORKING REALLY HARD TO COME UP WITH THE APPEAL ABOUT THE CODE AND HOW THIS IS A GARAGE DOOR, NOT AN OVERHEAD DOOR.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
I KNOW YOU, I'VE LEARNED A LOT.
I KNOW YOU TRIED HARD THERE,
I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAD MOVED THE AWNINGS.
THERE WAS NO AWNINGS ON THE FRONT.
SO THEY, WE MOVED THEM FROM THE BACK WHERE THE OVERHEAD DOORS WERE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND WE ADDED SOME ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE MORE AWNINGS THAN THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
AND EXCEPT FOR JUST HAVING THE AWNINGS ON THE BACK AND NO AWNINGS ON THE FRONT WHERE THE STOREFRONT IS, THEY TOOK THE OVERHEAD DOOR AWNINGS AND MOVED THEM TO THE FRONT AND THEN ADDED AWNINGS ABOVE THE WINDOWS.
SO I I, I CAN ATTEST TO PEOPLE LOOKING INTO OVERHEAD DOORS.
UM, WELL, ALL OUR BUILDINGS, SAME WAY.
SO TO BE CLEAR, WE, WE HAVE NOT SUCCESSFULLY REQUIRED A SINGLE BUSINESS ALONG THE I 35 COURT EIGHT CORRIDOR TO PUT GLASS, INCLUDING ME.
UH, CHAPMAN GOT A VARIANCE, THE INDUSTRIAL SLASH WAREHOUSE BUILDING RIGHT DOWN HERE BY THE RAIL HOLE, UH, YARD CLOSE TO YARRINGTON.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO REQUIRE THAT SIR TO BE GLASS.
I AND GLAZING IS, IS FOR YOUR FRONT FACING FACADE.
SO THAT, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND ALL RIGHT, LOUD AND CLEAR, MR. MAYOR.
I GET IT THAT WE DIDN'T FOLLOW A PROCESS CORRECTLY.
BUT IT'S, BUT, BUT, BUT WHAT I'M GETTING BACK AT IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE FALLING ON THIS ARGUMENT THAT WE AGREE WITH THAT.
IT MAY, WELL, I THINK MOST OF US PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT.
THE GLASS ON THE BACK FOR WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION IN AND OUT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
BUT, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS THE STANDARD, WHICH IS WHAT THE I 35 OVERLAY HAS AND INCLUDED IN THAT STANDARD IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, WHICH INCLUDES VERY NICE AWNINGS ON THE BACKSIDE.
SO WHY WEREN'T THOSE AWNINGS INSTALLED, EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD FROM STAFF FOR MONTHS NOW, AND THEY'VE TOLD YOU YOU NEED TO PUT THESE AWNINGS UP, BUT THEY'RE STILL NOT THERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING, AND YOU FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN HERE, IS THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO MOVE THE AWNINGS FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT.
THAT IT, THAT IT, WE HAD ADDED AWNINGS.
SO WE ACTUALLY PUT MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE IN.
I'M, I'M REPEATING WHAT I WAS TOLD.
SO IF I'M, JASON CAN YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, SORRY, GENTLEMEN.
SO I THINK AS PART OF THE APPEAL, ONCE WE IDENTIFIED, UH, DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE APPROVED AND THE, AND THE CONSTRUCTED PLANS, UM, THEY WENT AHEAD AND SAID, HEY, WE KNOW WE DIDN'T PUT THEM ON THE BACK.
THAT WAS PART OF THEIR, THEIR ASK TO PNZ.
AND THAT IS WHAT PNZ DID APPROVE.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO
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BE OVER THOSE OVERHEAD DOORS, BUT, UM, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T OFFER ANY OTHER, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ON, ON FOE WINDOWS, ON THE GARAGES, STUFF LIKE THAT.BUT, UH, NOTHING, NOTHING WAS DONE ON THE BACK.
IT DOESN'T HELP, THAT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK GOOD.
WE, WE, THEY, THEY TRIED TO CONSIDER DOING THAT AT THE PLACE OVER HERE ON JUST OFF 81.
THERE WERE NEVER AWNINGS ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, WELL, THE AWNINGS THAT ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING DON'T LOOK LIKE THIS.
LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE VERY SMALL.
THEY LOOK LIKE WHAT'S IN THAT IN INSTALLED, REQUESTED ABOVE THE DOOR.
AND THEY LOOK PRETTY GOOD ON THE FRONT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ON THE BACK ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST.
UM, THE, THOSE AWNINGS THAT, THAT BIG AWNING AND DURING, I THINK THE, UH, ORIGINAL CEP THAT GOT APPROVED, THEY REQUESTED THAT THAT BE SMALLER, NOT SO BOLD.
I DO BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER, IF I RECALL RIGHT.
AND GAVE WHAT, UM, YEAH, SO THE DISCUSSION DURING THE FIRST APPROVAL, NOT, NOT THESE IMAGES HERE, WAS, UM, PNZ WANTED TO SEE ADDITIONAL AWNINGS OVER ACTUAL FUNCTIONAL DOORS.
UM, THEY DID FEEL THAT THE GIANT AWNINGS OVER THOSE, THOSE LARGER GARAGE BAY DOORS WERE, WERE IN EXCESS.
WELL, SO WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NOT PAINTING THE STRIPE? YOU SEE THE STRIPE ON THE FRONT, THERE IT IS IN THE BACK, BUT IT DIDN'T GET PAINTED.
WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT THERE? WE, WE RESUBMITTED, UH, TO CALEB SHARP, THE, UH, ADJUSTED PAINT COLOR, THE PAINT SCHEME, UH, CHANGED ONCE WE GOT IT FROM, UH, PROSOURCE, WE SENT IT IN TO CALEB SHARP AND IT WAS APPROVED.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING THE BLUE PAINT STRAP ON THE BACK.
IT'S NOT, I'M OKAY WITH IT IF, IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT.
IT JUST WASN'T ON THE NEW, THE UPDATED, APPROVED, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE PAINT SCHEME.
SO I I, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD REASON, UM, BECAUSE ALL I SEE IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
SO WE DID RECEIVE THE, UH, THE CHANGE IN THE PAINT COLOR, AND THAT WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THE BLUE.
UM, STAFF FELT FINE TO APPROVE THE, THE PAINT COLOR, BUT WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT LOOK AT IT AS AN AUTHORIZATION TO MODIFY THE PAINT SCHEMATIC AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO, WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THINGS WE CAN ASK YOU TO DO OUTSIDE OF THE DOORS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ACTUALLY GETS US ANYTHING.
I DO, I DO AGREE WITH YOUR, YOUR BROADER POINT, BUT NOT BECAUSE YOU MADE IT, BUT BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE OUR OVER OVERLAY RULES WITH REGARDS TO ROLL UP DOORS ON INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GIVEN EVERYONE A VARIANCE ON THAT, WHICH IS JUST CRAZY TO ME THAT YOU'RE HERE HAVING TO GET A VARIANCE FROM THE COUNCIL.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE INTO THE CITY.
IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN, I HAD NO PROBLEM IF I WOULD'VE REALIZED IT.
THE, THE ARCHITECT ONE WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONE.
I WOULD'VE DONE VARIANCE A LONG TIME AGO.
I JUST, HONESTLY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT, DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT.
MR. MAYOR, THE BLUE STRIPES, NO PROBLEM.
MY ONLY ASK ON THE AWNINGS FOR THE BACK IS CAN Y'ALL GIVE US SOME DIRECTION TO, OR DO YOU WANT US TO LIKE MOCK SOME DRAWINGS AND SEND THEM TO Y'ALL FOR APPROVAL? CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME DIRECTION ON HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT? SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL, THIS IS WHERE I'LL ASK COUNCIL.
'CAUSE ONLY A FEW OF US HAVE TALKED AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE VOTES ARE ON THIS.
MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WOULD BE TO REQUIRE YOU TO PUT THE AWNINGS BACK IN EVERYWHERE, JUST LIKE AT THE FRONT AND, AND TO ALSO PUT THE BLUE STRIPE ON THE, UH, ON THE PAINT.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE BLUE, UH, UH, TARP ONES.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA FADE AND WEAR OUT FASTER.
HAPPY WITH ME THAT MATCH THE BACK TO THE FRONT MATCH THE BACK TO THE FRONT.
AND, BUT YOU DON'T, WOULDN'T, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL IF THAT'S A PROPOSAL THAT Y'ALL CAN GET BEHIND, OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO TELL 'EM.
SORRY, YOU GOTTA BUILD IT THAT WAY.
NO, I, I THINK GETTING THE AUDIENCE IN THE BACK WILL BE A HUGE WIN.
GETTING THE, THE REST OF IT PAINTED.
UH, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF HAVING GLASS DOORS IN THE BACK.
OR EVEN WITH FORKLIFTS, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN MY BUILDINGS WHERE I DRIVE UP TO ONE OF MY BUILDINGS AND THE GUY THERE AND THE FORKLIFT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE DOOR BECAUSE HE'LL RAISE IT UP HIGH ENOUGH.
I MEAN, SO I, I'VE SEEN IT, I DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN IT A MILLION TIMES.
BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, I MEAN, WE TOOK THIS SERIOUS.
I MEAN, WE WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT ANY OTHER CONTRACTOR WATCHING OUR STAFF WILL CATCH IT.
I'M LETTING Y'ALL KNOW WE HAVE GOT A GREAT STAFF.
THEY'RE GONNA CATCH WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
BUT LET'S GET THE STRIPE, LET'S GET THE AWNINGS, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND I, I ACTUALLY WILL JUST ADD TO THAT, THAT YOU KNOW THAT, 'CAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER RIGHT BEFORE I DR.
UH, I DROVE UP HERE AND I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE, THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AND THAT OTHERS UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE DO WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT BUSINESS IS WILD, WILD WEST HERE.
WE WANT FOLKS COMING HERE NOT BECAUSE WE CUT CORNERS OR WE DON'T HAVE GOOD REGULATIONS, AND YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH THINGS OR BUILD CHEAPER.
NONE OF THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE WANT FOLKS HERE.
WE WANT, WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT TO COME TO KYLE AND PARTNER WITH US, WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE SAY, WE WANT YOU TO DO WHAT YOU SAY.
WE WANNA MAKE IT, UH, TRANSPARENT AND HAVE A LOT OF GREAT COMMUNICATION.
WE WANNA CELEBRATE YOU AND WE WANT YOU TO HAVE SUCCESS IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
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IS, IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.I WILL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO, UH, UH, WHAT IS THIS? ALRIGHT, TO APPROVE THE CUP WITH AMENDMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CUP WITH THE AMENDMENT.
UH, THAT AND REQUIREMENT THAT BEFORE THEY RECEIVE THEIR CUP BEFORE THEY RECEIVE IT, THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO INSTALL, UH, AWNINGS ON THE BACK, UH, JUST AS ON THE FRONT, OVER EVERY DOOR.
AND THAT THEY ALSO HAVE TO ADD, UH, THE, THE PAINT ACCENTS TO MATCH THE BACK FROM THE FRONT.
UH, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ASK A CLARIFICATION.
I NOTICED IF YOU NOTICED IN THE, IN THE IMAGES HERE, UM, THESE AWNINGS ARE JUST STRUCTURAL RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE NOT ACTUAL FUNCTIONAL.
SO I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE, UH, FINISHED AND COVERED.
UM, SO THAT THERE'S NO TOPPING ON THOSE.
RAIN WOULD JUST GO RIGHT THROUGH.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT DONE ON THE FRONT? UH, NO.
SO IF YOU CAN SEE HERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THROUGH, THEY'D NEVER HAD THE COVER.
I BELIEVE THE, THE PANEL OR THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL CALLED FOR A THREE QUARTER INCH PLYWOOD WITH FELT, AND I THINK 24 GAUGE CORRUGATED TIN LIKE A ROOF.
UM, BUT, UH, THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN INSTALLED.
SO I JUST WANNA ENSURE THAT, THAT IF YOU CAN, TO, TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
THAT, THAT, THAT ISN'T PLAN FOR COMPLETION.
WE, WE, WE JUST BUMPED THAT TO THE END BECAUSE WE HAD OTHER THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET.
SO SAME MOTION WITH THIS CONSIDERATION, UH, UH, INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION REAL QUICK? I SO THE AUDIENCE TO PUT THE, WE'RE PUTTING THE ROOF IN THE AWNINGS SO IT'S NOT STICKING UP.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE A STRUCTURAL AWNING, BUT IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
IS THAT I I, WHATEVER HE SAYS IS OKAY.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION BY THE MAYOR? SECONDED BY MAYOR PROTO.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION COUNCILOR MCKINNEY? UH, I WAS GONNA REQUEST THAT THE, UM, THE ACCENT COLOR GO ALL THE WAY AROUND INSTEAD OF JUST FRONT AND BACK.
UH, THAT, UH, THAT ONE SIDE IS MORE VISIBLE FROM THE HIGHWAY, UH, FROM I 35.
I I FEEL LIKE JUST MAKING IT UNIFORM IS JUST GONNA DO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
JUST MAKE OUR CITY AS PRETTY AS IT CAN BE.
I'M GONNA MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION.
WOULD I GET A SECOND? I DID, I DID ALL MOTION TO AMEND TO MAKE THE BLUE WRAP BEAN GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MAIN MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
I GOT FIRED UP THERE AT THE END OF THAT.
[25) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding selecting a moderator for the 2025 Dialogue for Peace and Progress - Celebrating Black History Month.]
AGENDA.AGENDA ITEM 25, RECEIVER REPORT.
HOLD THE DISCUSSION PROVIDES STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING SELECTING MODERATOR FOR THE 2025 DIALOGUES FOR PEACE AND PROGRESS CELEBRATING BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
UM, HAPPY TO PRESENT THE, UH, UH, DISCUSSION AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON AND DIRECTION FOR SELECTION OF MODERATOR FOR OUR NEXT UPCOMING DIALOGUE FOR PIECE OF PROGRESS IN FEBRUARY.
UH, SO WE'LL BE HAVING IT ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 13TH FROM SEVEN TO 8:30 PM RIGHT HERE IN KYLE CITY HALL.
IT WILL ALSO BE STREAMED ONLINE AND ON OUR FACE, UH, ON FACEBOOK AND KYLE TIN.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
UH, IN AUGUST, 2023, COUNSEL APPROVED A RESOLUTION THAT CREATED THE POLICY AND CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF MODERATORS AND PANELISTS, INCLUDING THAT, UM, COUNCIL WOULD SELECT THE MODERATOR PRIOR TO EVERY DIALOGUE.
JUST A LITTLE REFRESHER 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A SECOND.
UH, MODERATORS WILL BE ELECTED CITY OFFICIALS OR APPOINTED CITY BOARD OR COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
BUT AS YOU SEE, THERE'S AN ASTERISK THERE.
UM, COUNCIL ALSO, UM, FROM PRIOR DIALOGUES HAS THE ABILITY TO, UH, SELECT MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO BE A CO-MODERATOR, WHETHER THEY'RE A BOARD MEMBER OR NOT.
UH, MODERATORS ARE ALSO, UH, MUST NOT BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN OR REPRESENTING CITY OF KYLE, UH, RUNNING FOR OFFICE THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY OF KYLE IN ANY WAY.
UH, THEY WILL BE SELECTED BY COUNCIL PRIOR TO EACH DIALOGUE FOR PIECE IN PROGRESS.
AND, UH, JUST AS THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES, THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CHOOSING THE PANELISTS FROM OUR POOL OF ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS OUTLINING THE DISCUSSION TOPICS AND QUESTIONS FOR OUR PANELISTS, AND OF COURSE, MODERATING THE ACTUAL DIALOGUE.
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REACH OUT TO COUNCIL IN EARLY DECEMBER, UM, ASKING IF ANY WERE INTERESTED.MAYOR PROTI RIZZO DID ACTUALLY, UH, SAY THAT HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MODERATING THE DIALOGUE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS FOR Y'ALL'S DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION.
AND COMMISSIONER CO MAYOR, COMMISSIONER COEN DID SAY SHE'D LIKE TO CO MODERATE WITH ME.
SO, UH, IF COUNSEL, SHE THIS, UH, MYSELF AND, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, UM, DR.
MICHELLE COEN, UH, I'D LIKE Y'ALL TO CONSIDER IT.
YOU MAY NAME, HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? NO OBJECTION.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, OH, SHOOT.
WHICH OPTION IS THIS? OH, NO, I'M LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OPTION NUMBER TWO.
WHICH WOULD BRING BACK A RESOLUTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL AS CO-MODERATOR, UH, COHEN.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AGENDA ITEM, UH, 25, WHICH IS IT STILL 25.
UM, OPTION TWO, UH, BRING BACK A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT, UH, MAYOR PRO RIZZO AND, UH, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, UH, DR. MICHELLE COHEN, UH, AS THE CO-MODERATOR.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBI APPROVES, UH, AGENDA 25, MAKING RIZZO AND COHEN THE MODERATORS IS, ARE THERE DISCUSSIONS ON THE MOTION NOW? MY TONGUE IS
[26) Consider approval of a resolution amending, updating and restating the City of Kyle Rules of City Council.]
CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AMENDING, UPDATING, RESTATING THE CITY OF KYLE.UH, AS YOU KNOW, UH, OR PROBABLY KNOW IN THE CITY CHARTER, IT, IT REQUIRES THAT, UH, WE ARE BASICALLY THE, UH, UH, UM, KEEPER OF OUR OWN RULES WITHIN CERTAIN LIMITS.
AND SO EVERY YEAR, UH, WE, UH, HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WE LOOK AT THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, ENGAGEMENT OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.
IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, WHO'S GONNA BE SEATED, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE NATURE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND HOW WE DISCUSS, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DISCUSSION BEFORE A MOTION AND AFTER A MOTION.
UH, ALSO IT SAYS THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, ONE PERSON SPEAKS, THEY HAVE THE FLOOR, THEY FINISH SPEAKING, THEN THE NEXT PERSON SPEAKS, AND THEN THE PERSON WHO SPOKE INITIALLY DOESN'T GET THE, UH, FLOOR BACK UNTIL EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE.
UH, AND GENERALLY MY, THE WAY I'VE TRIED TO DO IT IS WHEN THE RULES SERVE US, EVERYBODY KNOWS.
BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN IT'S MORE OF A GUIDE AND WE JUST HAVE A MORE FREE FLOWING CONVERSATION.
I TRY TO BE, YOU KNOW, AWARE OF THAT.
BUT THAT SAID, WE, WE'VE AMENDED AND CHANGED THE RULES MANY TIMES ADDED TO IT.
AND SO IF THERE'S, IF ANYBODY HAD ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RULES, UH, OR, UH, UH, DESIRE TO AMEND ANYTHING, I'M OPEN TO IT.
COUNCILOR MAYOR HARRIS, I HAVE SEVERAL, UM, QUESTIONS.
UM, PAGE ONE, AGENDA ITEM ONE, UH, OR B ONE FOR AGENDAS ON THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS.
THE COMBINED MEETINGS ALLOW FOR COUNCIL TO REQUEST FOUR TOTAL ITEMS FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
ONLY FOUR TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ONLY, WE, WE CHANGED THAT UP SEVERAL TIMES.
IT USED TO BE REAL CLEAR THAT EVERYONE CAN SPONSOR UP TO THREE ITEMS AND, UH, ON EACH AGENDA, EACH MEETING.
AND, UH, BUT WE CHANGED IT TO SAY, IF YOU HAVE A CO-SPONSOR, I BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN GET IT UP TO FOUR.
WE'VE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER REALLY TESTED THE, THE LIMITS OF THAT.
SO IT SEEMS THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO MAKE IT PER MEETING.
WHAT DOES IT SAY AGAIN? I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP.
IT SAYS FOR THE COMBINED, SORRY.
THE FIRST MEETING BEING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO, AND YOU REALLY, YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING ON EXECUTIVE SESSION.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN RECORD, YOU REQUEST CERTAIN ITEMS. IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE ATTORNEY.
AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE SPONSOR ITEMS ON EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THAT'S NOT HOW I INTERPRETED THAT.
I INTERPRETED THAT TO BE THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH RATHER.
SO I SEE THAT, THE AMBIGUITY, BUT EVERYTHING AS IT RELATES TO YOUR, WELL, IT SAYS FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS.
BUT THAT'S, YOU GET UP TO FOUR ITEMS UNDER THOSE RULES, BOTH ON THE FIRST AND ON THE, ON THE THIRD TUESDAY.
CAN WE MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT SURE.
I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME.
COUNSEL, IF YOU HAVE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT WE WANNA GO THROUGH TONIGHT, I CAN TAKE NOTES AND I CAN CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE.
DON'T THINK THAT'S, WE CAN BRING 'EM BACK NEXT MEETING.
BUT WE CAN, UNLESS THERE'S MORE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE, ONE'S PRETTY, I DON'T WANNA BRING IT BACK AND VOTE ON IT AGAIN UNLESS WE HAVE TO.
UM, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S ASKING YOU THERE? OKAY.
LET'S, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND THEN, AND
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GO TO YOUR NEXT ONE.THAT'S SO THAT WE CAN KEEP, KEEP IT GOING IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO THE, UM, YOU WANNA MOTION THAT JUST IN GENERAL LANGUAGE? YES.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE LANGUAGE BE CLARIFIED TO INDICATE THAT EACH COUNCIL MEETING ON THE FIRST AND THE THIRD TUESDAYS, UH, FOUR, FOUR ITEMS CAN BE BROUGHT, BROUGHT AT EACH MEETING.
SECOND, IS THERE A, A MOTION BY COUNCILOR HARRIS SECOND BY THE MAYOR THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT THE, UH, AMOUNT OF ITEMS THAT YOU CAN SPONSOR, UH, ARE RELATIVE TO A SINGLE MEETING AND NOT A COMBINED OVER MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
UH, I THINK, UH, IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? I THINK THAT WAS INTENDED TO TALK ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE WE HAVE SPECIAL MEETING AND THEN A REGULAR MEETING.
BUT I, I SEE THE CONFUSION THERE.
ANY DISCUSSION? I TO CLARIFY, FOUR TOTAL FOR EACH MEETING THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER FOR EACH REGULAR MEETING.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FOUR TOTAL.
BUT I, IT HEER YOU GOTTA HELP ME.
'CAUSE YOU WERE THE, WE WERE A BIG PART OF THIS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S, YOU GET TWO ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN YOU CAN GO TO A THIRD WITH SPONSOR.
IF ONE'S A PROCLAMATION, MAYBE YOU CAN ADD ONE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.
OF THE CHANGE WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP LAST YEAR WAS TO HAVE THREE.
AND THEN WE BROUGHT UP WHAT ABOUT PROCLAMATIONS? AND THAT'S WHY IT BECAME FOUR.
WITH THE PER MEETING WITH THE CO-SPONSOR PER MEETING.
LIKE, AND AT THIS MEETING, WHEN IT STARTED THE REGULAR MEETING, THAT'S WHAT THE SPIRIT WAS.
AND THEN JUST, WE HAVE 27 REGULAR MEETINGS.
SO THAT'S IF, DO YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF THERE'S SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS TIMES FOUR, TIMES 27 IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF COUNCIL SPONSORED ITEMS THAT ARE POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK IT'S QUITE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S PUSHED THAT LIMIT AT THIS POINT.
THIS GUY, YOU HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND THEN YOU HAD YOUR TWO ITEMS, BUT WE WANT STUFF OF SUBSTANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.
UM, IT TALKS ABOUT USING ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS WHILE SEATED AT THE DIOCESE WITH EACH OTHER.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE TEXT AND EMAILS FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, WHILE ON THE DIOCESE, UH, WAS THERE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? NO.
THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED MANY TIMES THROUGH THE YEARS.
SO, SO THE, THE KEY, THE KEY, I KNOW, I I JUST, I COULD ALMOST RECITE IT.
SO THE KEY IS THE FIRST CLAUSE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL EXERCISE PROFESSIONALISM WITH TEXTING, EMAILING, OR PARTICIPATING.
AND SO THE PROFESSIONALISM IS THE KEY.
SO YOU WERE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN'T BREAK QUORUM.
NUMBER TWO, THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, SO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING SIDEBARS.
IT'S THE SAME AS LIKE REACHING OVER AND TALKING LIKE THIS.
SO PROFESSIONALISM APPLIES TO, UH, TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU ARE STILL ALLOWED TO COMMUNICATE IF YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE, BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT OR HAVING SIDEBAR CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES.
WELL, AND WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES.
THAT SECOND SENTENCE IS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCING AN OPEN A WALKING FORUM ISSUE THAT HAPPENED IN A DIFFERENT CITY.
SO WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE, WHERE PEOPLE WERE AT THE DIOCESE TEXTING EACH OTHER.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE THERE.
BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, YOU, IF SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC TEXTS YOU WHILE YOU'RE IN A MEETING, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO LOOK AT IT.
YOU TO, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
THAT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THERE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
IS THAT, I MEAN, DISCUSSING ITEMS WITH THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC WOULD NOT IMPLICATE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
WHAT DOES IMPLICATE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS CONVERSATIONS AMONG A QUORUM OF, OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ANOTHER CLAR OH YEAH, WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING ON THAT.
UM, SO ON VOTING, THIS DOES NOT, WE'VE HAD ZOOM CALLS.
THIS DOES NOT ADDRESS ZOOM CALLS.
UM, AND WE'VE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS GO ON AND OFF THE ZOOM CALL, EVEN THOUGH THEY, THEY WERE PRESENT DURING SOME PORTION OF THAT.
AND THE, A PRE PRIOR SECTION SAYS THAT YOU MUST VOTE IF YOU ARE PRESENT.
BUT IF YOU GO OFF THE ZOOM CALL, IF YOU SHUT DOWN YOUR CAMERA, YOU'RE CONSIDERED ABSENT.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
EITHER YOU ARE PRESENT OR YOU ARE NOT PRESENT.
SO WAS THAT DISCUSSED? UM, THAT, SO THE, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT YOU MUST BE PRESENT ON SCREEN AND AUDIBLE OR, OR RAISE YOUR HAND VI VISUALLY IN ORDER TO VOTE.
NOW IF IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION THAT, BUT WHILE NO ACTION IS BEING TAKEN, IF THE SCREEN GLITCHES OUT OR YOU RUN TO THE BATHROOM, JUST LIKE WHAT WE DO WHEN WE RUN TO THE BATHROOM, THEN YOU WOULD BE ABSENT FOR THAT PERIOD.
BUT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY MARKED ABSENT IF YOU COME BACK AND TAKE THE VOTE VISIBLY AND PUBLICLY.
BUT IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU ARE ABSENT FOR THAT VOTE.
WELL, YEAH, BUT I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
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BECAUSE THAT, BUT IT SAYS IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT, YOU MUST VOTE.YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO VOTE.
BUT I'M, YOU CAN'T ABSTAIN, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO VOTE.
SO I, I THINK MY ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE IF THE, IN TERMS OF THE SPIRIT OF IT IN PARTICULAR IS, IS IF SOMEBODY'S ABUSING THAT OR DOING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, THEY'RE CLEARLY DUCKING A VOTE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF COUNCIL.
BECAUSE THAT THE, THE CHARTER MM-HMM
IS WHAT COMPELS PEOPLE TO VOTE.
UH, THAT YOU, YOU, YOU SHALL VOTE ON EVERY ITEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT RULE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS TAKE, THERE ARE TONS OF TIMES WHEN WE PROBABLY WOULD PREFER JUST NOT TO VOTE.
WELL, THAT HAS HAPPENED, UM, IN THE YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE INCLUDING ZOOM CALLS, MAYBE WE NEED TO, SO YOU'RE SAYING STATE, YOU, YOU HAVE, THE SCREEN CAN NEVER GO OFF.
YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON EACH ITEM.
IF YOU'RE ON A ZOOM CALL, YOU ARE, YOU ARE IF YOU'RE PRESENT.
JUST LIKE YOU WERE, IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN A MEETING, YOU MUST VOTE ON EACH ITEM VOTE.
BUT AGAIN, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE, YOU GO TO THE BATHROOM AND YOU MISS A VOTE AND WE'RE RUNNING THROUGH A BUNCH OF ITEMS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IF THERE'S NO, SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN AND A VOTE MAY BE MISSED.
I, IT DOESN'T SAY HERE YOU'RE EXCUSED BECAUSE YOU WENT TO THE BATHROOM AND ANYWHERE, ANY PLACE IN THIS DOCUMENT.
WELL, WE, WE'VE TAKEN VOTES HERE ON THE DI WHERE SOMEBODY GONE WITH THE BATHROOM.
I THINK SOMEBODY, SOMEONE ON, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SOMEONE ON ZOOM WOULD HAVE TO BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS SOMEONE WHO'S HERE.
SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE ON ZOOM, YOU CAN'T GO TO THE BATHROOM.
BUT IF YOU'RE SITTING HERE, YOU CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM.
YOU'RE GONNA WANT THE SAME STANDARD.
BUT IT DOES THIS, THIS, OUR RULES SAY THAT YOU MUST VOTE ON EACH ITEM.
SO HERE WOULD BE THE WAY YOU CAN'T SKIP OUT ON IT.
SO, SO THE WAY TO HANDLE THAT, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DISCUSS IF THE RULES OF COUNSEL IN SOMEONE'S EYES ARE IN THEIR MIND, ARE BEING VIOLATED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HEY, WE'RE GETTING READY TO CALL THE VOTE.
SO AND GO FIND SO IS IN THE BATHROOM.
THEN THAT POINT OF ORDER MUST BE SUSTAINED BECAUSE IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE RULES OF COUNCIL.
AND WE WILL WAIT UNTIL THAT PERSON COMES BACK IN ORDER TO VOTE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO HANDLE IT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, TO NOT HAVE SPECIAL RULES FOR ZOOM IN THE RULES FOR COUNCIL.
BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE MEETINGS THAT COULD CHANGE, WE COULD NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE OF RULES OF COUNSEL.
I THINK THE SAME RULES APPLY HOWEVER YOU'RE ATTENDING THE MEETING AND WE JUST, FIVE RULES APPLY.
I WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR THAT, THAT THAT RULE APPLIES.
I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER DISCUSSING AN ITEM PRIOR TO A MOTION.
WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT ONE VERY WELL.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I'VE TRIED, BUT IT'S, IT'S CLUNKY.
SO THE IDEA IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN TERMS OF IT'S FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
IS WHEN AN ITEM GETS PRESENTED, IT'S, IT'S PRESENTED AND THEN WE MAY ASK QUESTIONS.
UH, BUT WE, WE REFRAIN FROM DEBATING, STATING OUR OPINION, TRYING TO CALL AND TELL A MOTION AND A SECOND'S BEEN MADE.
BECAUSE TECHNICALLY YOU CAN'T DEBATE WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DEBATE IS A MOTION.
AND IF THERE'S NO MOTION, YOU CAN'T DEBATE.
THAT'S ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN AND IT'S, IT'S SORT OF FINESSED IN THERE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS DO IT.
BUT I TRY TO CALL FOR A VOTE ONCE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE READY TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP.
A LOT OF TIMES THE COUNCILS WILL, YOU, YOU CAN'T OPEN DISCUSSION.
NO ONE SPEAKS UNTIL A MOTION IN A SECOND IS, IS DELIVERED.
BUT I JUST NEVER FOUND THAT TO BE HELPFUL.
UH, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALWAYS READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE MOTION IS GONNA BE.
LIKE WE, WE, THIS IS A FLUID THING WE'RE ALL TALKING.
UM, I JUST WONDER IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING ON THAT IN ANY WAY.
WELL, SO LIKE I WAS SAYING AT THE BEGINNING, I, I LIKE HAVING THE RULES OF COUNCIL WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY MM-HMM
THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THAT, THAT IT'S MORE FREE FLOWING.
AND EV WE ARE THE JUDGE OF OUR MEMBERS.
SO WHEN IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT EVERYBODY IS VIBING AND DOING RIGHT AND THE DISCUSSION IS, IT'S NOT THE RULES OF COUNCIL THEN BECOME THE, THE OBSTACLE TO GOOD DISCUSSION.
AS OPPOSED YOU DON'T TO THE ENABLER OF GOOD DISCUSSION.
AND SO I THINK, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO WRITE IT THE WAY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
BECAUSE I NEED TO BE ABLE TO CALL EVERYONE TO THE RULES OF COUNCIL.
IT EVEN SAYS IN THERE AT SOME POINT, LIKE THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING MM-HMM
SAY, WE'RE GONNA START FOLLOWING RULES OF COUNCIL.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN OFF THE DEEP END OR THERE'S ANIMOSITY OR YELLING OVER EACH OTHER.
AND, AND SO IT CAN, IT CAN GET TO THAT POINT.
UM, SO, SO WE'RE SAYING ON THAT TO CONTINUE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND THEN LET'S SAY IT'S ROBERTS, OR LET'S SAY IT'S HEISER, UM, WE CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION UNTIL OF COURSE LET
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THEM PRESENT IT OF WHATEVER THE ITEM IS OR WHATEVER THE CITY IS THAT WE CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION RUN OFF THE BAT.AND THEN SECOND IT YOU DISCUSS, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE MOTION EARLY DISCUSS AND THEN DEBATE THE MOTION.
AND SO, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DOES JUST PRACTICALLY, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY ALL THE TIME.
SO THAT'S ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT MAKES US DO THAT.
WE ARE THE JUDGE OF OUR OWN MEMBERS.
THIS IS, WE DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO BE WITH REGARDS TO THIS.
I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR.
SOMETIMES YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE MOTION'S GONNA BE.
SO YOU PREMATURELY START DISCUSSING, SUCH AS THIS DISCUSSION, THE TOPIC.
I JUST, I JUST WENT OFF ON A RANT WITH HIM ABOUT IT BECAUSE, BUT IN THE, IN THE ITEM ABOUT PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE MM-HMM
UH, WE SHOULD, WHEN EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING THEY WANNA SAY AND QUESTIONS THEY WANT TO ASK AND EVERYBODY'S WANTING TO GET IN, THAT'S WHEN IT'S LIKE, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON.
AND I HAVE TO, I'M REQUIRED TO, BASED ON WHO I SEE, I CALL THE ORDER MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, AND IF SOMEONE, AND I CAN SOMETIMES TELL WHEN SOMEONE WAS ASKING QUESTIONS AND THEY FELT LIKE THEY GOT CUT OFF.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO, WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR A MOTION TO DEBATE ON THAT ONE.
TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY THAT, 'CAUSE YOU AND I WERE HAVING A GOOD BACK AND FORTH ON IT.
TECHNICALLY I THINK I TO BE, I THINK WE GOT, WE GOT THE RESULT WE WANTED.
THE GOOD DISCUSSION WAS HAD THAT'S HAD MM-HMM
I'M, I THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS DID EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE THEY WERE ABLE TO SAY WHAT THEY WANTED TO SAY? THAT THEY GOT THEIR POINTS ACROSS, THAT THEY WEREN'T TALKED OVER AND THAT THERE WAS SOME ORDER.
I I WILL NOTE IF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THINK THAT THE MAYORS THE CHAIR IS NOT, YOU KNOW, ENFORCING THE RULES IN A WAY THAT THEY FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, THEY HAVE A RIGHT AT THAT POINT TO DO A POINT OF ORDER OR SOMETHING'S SAY WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REFERENCE EARLIER.
IF YOU THINK THAT I'M NOT FOLLOWING, OR WHOEVER'S THE CHAIR IS NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND YOU'RE BEING SLIGHTED IN SOME WAY OR SOMEONE'S BEING DISADVANTAGED, YOU CAN CALL A POINT OF ORDER AND REQUEST THAT WE FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS EXPLICITLY.
'CAUSE IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT THERE.
IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE WAY WE GO, HOPEFULLY WE DON'T GET TO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT BECOMES VERY CUMBERSOME.
I'M I'M FINE WITH THE EXPLANATION.
I JUST, IT JUST LOOKED LIKE IT WASN'T EXACTLY WHAT WE DO ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, CLOSE DEBATE TO VOTE.
UM, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE ANY TIME LIMIT.
ONE, ONE COUNCIL MEMBER COULD CHOOSE TO, UM, SPEAK FOR 30 MINUTES OR AN HOUR.
THEY, THEY CAN'T THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU CAN CALL A POINT OF ORDER ON SOMETHING AND, AND, AND SOMEONE ON DOING THAT.
WE'VE DISCUSSED COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS HAS DISCUSSED MANY TIMES WHEN OUR MEETINGS GO UNTIL MIDNIGHT AND THEREAFTER PUTTING TIME LIMITS ON, ON COUNCIL MEMBERS.
BUT THAT ALSO BECOMES BURDENSOME AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY SERVE OUR BEST INTEREST.
AND IF, IF WE NEED IT BECAUSE OUR MEETINGS ARE GOING LONG OR SOME ONE PERSON, ONE INDIVIDUAL OR TWO INDIVIDUALS ARE TAKING TOO MUCH TIME, WE CAN AMEND THOSE RULES AT, AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
IF I MAY SPEAK ON THAT, IT, IT WAS NUMBER ONE TIME MANAGEMENT BECAUSE UH, LIKE I SAID BY NOW WE PROBABLY LOST ABOUT 70% OF OUR AUDIENCE.
UH, 'CAUSE IT GETS US LATE MM-HMM
THAT WAS THE WHOLE ISSUE AS WELL.
UH, 'CAUSE DOING COUNCIL FOR FIVE YEARS NOW, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WE'LL BE AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND WE'RE BARELY ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 MM-HMM
SO I'VE ALWAYS PRESSED FOR TIME LIMITS ON EACH AGENDA ITEM OF 10 MINUTES PER EACH ONE.
AND THEN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, I JUST FELT THAT IT WAS ALWAYS SUFFICIENT WHILE WE'RE ON THE CLOCK.
BECAUSE IT ALSO TELLS A COUNCIL MEMBER TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFOREHAND, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR ITEMS, GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, UH, HAVE THOSE DEBATES AHEAD OF TIME TO WHERE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGENDA, UH, LIKE I ALWAYS LOOK AT IT, IT'S GAME TIME.
I'VE ALREADY DONE MY PRACTICE.
I'VE ALREADY GOT MY EMAILS, I'VE HAD MY CONVERSATIONS AND I KNOW WHERE I'M AT ON MY VOTES.
AND I THINK THAT LEADS UP TO THE, OKAY, WE'RE BRINGING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 AND YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON BECAUSE YOU'VE REVIEWED ALREADY THE INFORMATION THERE.
AND THEN THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN EACH OTHER CAN COME WHEN YOU AFTER THE MOTION'S MADE.
BUT THAT WAS ALWAYS MY STANCE AT THE TIME OF THIS.
AND, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND IF Y'ALL WANT TO DISCUSS TIMELINES, HOW DOES EVERYBODY ELSE FEEL ABOUT THAT? STILL? I, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOME LIMITATION RATHER THAN CALLING A POINT OF ORDER AND SAY, HEY, MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TOOK TAKEN UP TOO MUCH TIME.
'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO RESPECT THE CITY STAFF AS WELL.
WHO'S BEEN HERE ALL MORNING AND ALL DAY AND THEY'RE HERE IN THE MEETINGS TOO.
WELL, I WILL SAY THAT IN THE LAST YEAR OUR MARK OUR MEETINGS DID GET
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BETTER.I MEAN IN TERMS OF DIS YOU KNOW, LENGTH OF THE, THE MEETINGS, THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY STAFF PRESENTS THE ITEMS. MM-HMM
I THINK THEY DO, UH, A, A REALLY GOOD JOB, UH, OF PRESENTING ITEMS AND MAKING CLEAR WHAT THE SITUATION IS, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DEBATE, BUT I, WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING GO PAST MIDNIGHT, INCLUDING TONIGHT'S WON'T GO PAST MIDNIGHT, MOST LIKELY
SO, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I JUST, I THINK WE'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT ALSO MAYBE ADDING SOME THINGS TO, UH, PROCEDURES THAT, SURE.
EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT THESE, BUT, UH, WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING A FEW OF THE, UM, RULES OF WE SHOULD CON WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, UM, SO DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, ANY COUNSELOR MAY REQUEST THAT ANY MATTER DISCUSSED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT BE PLACED ON A FUTURE COUNCIL AGENDA.
SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IF SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE HAS A PARTICULAR CONCERN OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE MORE FOCUS OR ATTENTION, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A WEEK, UM, EMAIL BRIAN, HEY, I'D LIKE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
PLUS IT'S ALREADY COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE, UH, COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND YOU KNOW, I LIKE, I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? I'M SORRY.
NO, THESE ARE, THESE ARE TO TO AMEND.
IT CAN, I THOUGHT WE WERE MAKING, WE COULD, WE COULD PROPOSE CHANGES.
I DON'T THINK WE WERE THROUGH HIS TIME LIMIT YET.
WE WEREN'T DONE WITH TIME LIMIT YET.
I THOUGHT, I DON'T THINK WE RESOLVED THAT.
KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE TIME LIMIT REALLY QUICK.
I MEAN, SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE LIKE, I WANT A MINUTE TO THINK ABOUT THEM.
DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THESE CHANGES TONIGHT? WE HAVE TO ADOPT THE RULES OF COUNSEL.
WELL, I KNOW, I MEAN BUT THIS WASN'T IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL TO, TO HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
SO I'M HEARING ABOUT THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO DRAFT IF WE WANNA CHANGE OR RIGHT.
SO WHAT WE PUT ON THE AGENDA WAS TO ADOPT THEM AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE, TO RE REAFFIRM THEM AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST.
IF COUNCIL HAS CHANGES THAT THEY WANT US TO BRING BACK OR THINGS THAT THEY WANT US TO LOOK INTO TO MAYBE BRING BACK IN THE FUTURE, I'M TAKING NOTES, WE'LL TAKE A LIST AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
IF THEY'RE SUBSTANTIVE, I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT APPROVING THEM TODAY AND BRINGING THEM BACK DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ARE.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIVE PROCESS CHANGE IN HOW MEETINGS OPERATE FROM ONE TO THE NEXT IN THE TIME LIMITS.
I'VE SEEN DONE DIFFERENT WAYS IN DIFFERENT CITIES.
WELL, AND WHAT, UH, SO THERE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE STAFF RESEARCH AND BRING, IT'S A VERY COMMON PROCEDURE IN MANY, IN MANY CITIES, MANY BOARDS.
A PUBLIC, A PUBLIC, IT MIGHT BE, IT IS JUST, I'M, IT'S JUST MAYBE A SUPPRESSION OF NOT TRYING TO GET COMMUNICATION OUT THERE.
I'M, I'M JUST PUTTING IDEAS OUT THERE TO, TO MAKE IT AND I'M, I GONNA CONSIDER YOUR IDEAS USED AGAINST US.
BUT IT DOES NOT SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ITEM.
BUT SAY IT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR AGENDA ITEM.
FOR AGENDA ITEM, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT UP TO FOUR ITEMS. ALL OF US DO ONLY NEEDS ONE PERSON TO MAKE AN ITEM AND IT'S ON.
I CAN ALREADY PUT AGENDA ITEMS, BUT SOMETIMES IF I'M PUTTING THE AGENDA ITEM, IT'S, IT'S MORE DIRECT TO THE COUNCIL.
WHEREAS IF A RESIDENT HAD THIS A CONCERN AND NOW IT'S COMING FROM THE RESIDENT THAT WANTED IT ON THE AGENDA ITEMS QUESTION, THEN NOT COUNT TOWARD YOUR FOUR ITEMS. THAT'S THE WHOLE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION IS, YOU WOULD WANNA ALLOW RESIDENTS, YOU CAN STILL TO PUT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
NO, YOU CAN STILL COUNT IT AS MY ITEM.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THEN IT'S YOUR ITEM AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO PUT IT ON.
ARE YOU JUST SAYING THAT YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO LIKE TAP YOUR NOSE TO BRIAN AFTER CITIZEN COMMENTS TO, TO SAY, HEY, I WANT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
LIKE IF SOMEONE CAME ABOUT THE HOGS AND THEY WANT MORE OR I WANT A FIREWORK STUDY, BUT SOMEONE'S TALKING ABOUT HOW LOUD THEY ARE AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I CAN TELL BRIAN JUST PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA ITEM.
SO, SO YOU REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BRING THAT TO AGENDA.
IT'S LIKE THE NEXT DAY WHEN THAT RESIDENT CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT THE HOGS, I SENT BRIAN AN EMAIL AND ASKED HIM WHAT WE COULD DO ABOUT THE ISSUE.
SO YOU DON'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TO SEND A DEMO.
I JUST ASKED STAFF WHAT WE COULD DO.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO BRING IT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE STAFF WILL TAKE CARE OF STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO VOTE ON AS A DAIS.
THE ISSUE THERE, MIGUEL THOUGH, IS, IS WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GONNA GO ON THE AGENDA.
SO YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM THE SIGNAL, BUT WE ARE GONNA APPROVE THE WAY WE WORD IT, BUT AFTER THE FACT.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT EVERY RESIDENT IS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, I LIKE THAT SUGGESTION.
LET ME CONSIDER IT AND HEY, THINK ABOUT THAT.
I CAN PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA ITEM.
YEAH, BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
BUT SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANNA
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BE ABLE TO JUST SAY IT FROM THE DICE AS OPPOSED TO SENDING AN EMAIL? YEAH, YEAH.LIKE, HEY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY STREET PARKING BECAUSE I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY LIGHTER OR SOMETHING.
SEE, SHE SAYS THAT THINK IT'S A SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE HEARING YOU AND WE'RE HEARING YOU, WE LIKE COULD ADD AN AGENDA.
I CAN TELL YOU PROBABLY WHERE A LOT THAT COMES FROM IN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES, IT'S UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
YOU AS COUNCIL, WHEN SOMEBODY GETS UP AND MAKES PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'RE VERY LIMITED ON WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT YOU CAN MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACT OR REQUEST THAT IT BE PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
A LOT OF AGENDAS AND OTHER CITIES DO SAY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT ON, ON AN AGENDA.
SO IF YOU WANNA CHANGE THAT PROCESS SO YOU CAN MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACT, WELL THAT'S WHAT'S LEGALLY ALLOWED.
BUT A STATEMENT OF FACT CAN BE CORRECTING SOMEONE WHEN THEY COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING THAT'S FACTUALLY INCORRECT, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED EARLIER.
AND SO IF I GIVE A STATEMENT OF FACT BACK TO THEM THAT THAT'S FACTUALLY INCORRECT, I'M ENGAGING IN DEBATE THAT CAN'T BE ALLOWED.
BUT UNDER AN OPEN MEANING ACT, YOU CAN MAKE A STATEMENT OF FACT.
SO YOU COULD SAY SOMEBODY GETS UP AND SAYS IT'S WEDNESDAY AND YOU COULD SAY, ACTUALLY IT'S TUESDAY.
THAT WOULDN'T VIOLATE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
NOW IF YOU START A DEBATE AND YOU'RE ARGUING BACK AND FORTH, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA, YOU, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL HOW FAR YOU GO.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
WELL I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO GIVE STATEMENTS OF FACTS FROM TIME TO
ARE YOU READY? ARE YOU READY FOR MY NEXT TWO? GO FOR IT.
WELL ACTUALLY WE'RE STILL ON TIME LIMITS.
SO I OPENED IT UP FOR, IT'S VERY IRONIC.
SO COULD MAYBE WE COULD HAVE, UH, SOME, DO SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHERS DO AND LET US TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE IS, ARE WE, ARE WE TIMING EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON OR SAY MAYBE 30 MINUTES PER ITEM OR 45 MINUTES PER ITEM OR SOMETHING? YEAH.
THERE ARE D DIFFERENT WAYS IT'S DONE.
WE ROUTINELY DO AN HOUR ON AN ITEM.
IT'S JUST, BUT THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE IT SO MUCH.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS IT'S DONE.
AND THEN SOME CITIES WILL DO LIKE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT A COUNCIL MEMBERS ALLOWED TO TALK ON EACH ITEM.
SOME OF THEM WILL DO A CUMULATIVE AMOUNT OF TIME.
YOU ARE THEN PUTTING A BURDEN ON THE CITY SECRETARY TO TRACK HOW LONG EACH OF YOU IS TALKING.
AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
CAN I'M NOT, CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO THE GROUP BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH MORE? HANG ON, WE'RE ON TIME LIMITS FIRST, THEN WE'RE ON THIS.
SO WE HAVE TO, NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME ORDER HERE.
SO ARE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TIME LIMITS? I WANT TO JUST ASK THE GROUP, LIKE, ARE WE POKING HOLES JUST 'CAUSE THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, OR ARE WE TRYING TO, IS THERE A PROBLEM HERE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SOLVE FOR NO, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS AND THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS. I'M JUST, I HAVE YOU EVER HAD, I'M WILLING TO GO WITH THE FLOW HERE.
THESE ARE ALL VALID THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, BUT I'M JUST, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T, DON'T WANNA TAKE A VOTE ON ANY OF THESE THINGS TONIGHT.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE EIGHT HOUR RULE? I WANT, I WANT TALK ABOUT AN EIGHT HOUR RULE.
WHAT DO YOU THE EIGHT, THE EIGHT HOUR RULE IS THAT NO COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD REQUEST, UH, STAFF TIME THAT GOES BEYOND EIGHT HOURS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER MUST, UM, SHARE WHAT THIS, WHAT THE, THE PROPOSED THING IS.
SO, SO, NO, NO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD, UM, USE MORE STAFF TIME THAN IS NEEDED.
DO WE HAVE THAT POLICY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE POLICY IS THAT COUNCIL REQUESTS GO THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER? SO I THINK ALL COUNCIL REQUESTS GO THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, BUT IS, BUT WE DON'T TALK TO STAFF.
BUT DO WE EVER HAVE STAFF WORK ON SOMETHING? OH YES.
WELL, ON OUR OWN DIRECTION, DO WE EVER HAVE STAFF WORK ON WELL YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DIRECT ME.
BUT MOST STAFF REQUESTS DO GO THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER DOES TRACK THE TIME SPENT ON THOSE REQUESTS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW AN EIGHT HOUR WILL I I LIKE THAT ONE.
DO WE HAVE IT DEFINED AS AN EIGHT HOUR RULE? SO LIKE, IF IT'S 30 MINUTES, A COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE.
BUT IF, IF IT'S 40 MINUTES, JUST A COURTESY THING, THEY'RE GONNA RESEARCH SOMETHING FOR YOU, GET YOU A QUICK INFORMATION FOR SOMETHING YOU GOT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT IF IT STARTS TO GO INTO A FULL REPORT LIKE BRIAN ASKED FOR A FIREWORK REPORT, THAT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME.
SO I WANT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KNOW WHAT I REQUESTED AND I DON'T WANNA OVER GO BEYOND BRIAN'S AUTHORITY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO THAT NEEDS TO, HE'S NOT COUNCIL MEMBER.
BUT I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO GO BEYOND MY AUTHORITY WITH THAT SUGGESTION.
REMEMBER, WHAT WE DO HERE IS TO, IS TO PAVE THE, THE ROAD FOR OTHERS, YOU KNOW, SO WELL.
SO WE GOTTA HAVE THESE DEFINED BOUNDARIES.
I, I THINK IT DEPENDS, RIGHT? AND IT'S, IT'S, I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT REQUEST, RIGHT? OR IF IT'S GOT A POLITICAL IMPLICATION OR SOME KIND OF SERVICE OR BUDGET IMPLICATION THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO SEE IF IT'S, THERE'S SOME HIGH WEEDS IN THIS AREA AND I NEED, IT IS A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE AND IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED.
EVEN IF THAT TAKES 15 HOURS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN OUR SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO HANDLE, WE'RE GONNA HANDLE IT.
RIGHT? SO I THINK IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.
IF IT'S A RESEARCH PROJECT TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO PULL ALL THIS
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INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR YOU FOR SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING I COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, THAT'S REALLY NEEDS TO BE A COUNCIL DIRECTIVE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL BASED ON YOUR REQUESTS.OR IF THE NUMBER OF REQUESTS THAT I'M GETTING FROM INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SUDDENLY CHANGING THE PRIORITIES OF TOPICS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A STAFF, EVEN IF THEY'RE ALL SMALL, BUT THE NUMBER AND THE MAGNITUDE OF THOSE REQUESTS MM-HMM
WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW, I, I WOULD TELL YOU, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM TO SOLVE ON THAT.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT CONCEIVABLE THAT YOU COULD HAVE IN THE FUTURE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE CURRENTLY.
UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA PUT IN THE RULES, YOU CERTAINLY COULD, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.
IT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING AFFECTING US RIGHT NOW, SO, YEAH.
AND I THINK IT'S PART OF MY JOB IS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WHEN IT, WHEN I SEE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE, RIGHT? THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THAT, UH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET, ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM SPEAKERS DURING THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
LIMITED THOUGH THE THREE MINUTES.
SO SOMEONE IS, BUT YOU CANNOT, YOU, YOU CANNOT ONLY LIMIT THE QUESTION TO A CLARIFICATION OF SPEAKERS.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE COULD IMPROVE UPON? UH, SPEAKER JUST TAKE IT'S YOU GOTTA INTERRUPT THEM TO DO THAT AND THEY GET THREE MINUTES.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE WANT TO, OKAY.
THAT'S ALL I, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT.
SO MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME SUGGESTIONS COMING BACK.
UM, UH, WITH REGARDS TO TIME LIMITS AND WHAT ELSE? I, I DON'T THINK THE TIME LIMIT, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THE TIME LIMITS IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH OUR TIME TO GO TO GO INTO.
I THINK WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL'S GONNA GEL WELL ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE.
BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO IT, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE MANY OF US HAVE HAD JUST ASKING.
BUT WE WILL HAVE THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE AND SO IT GETS TO THAT POINT.
RIGHT? AND SO HERE'S THE THING ABOUT THE RULE OF COUNCIL IS WE HAVE TO AFFIRM THE WAY WE'RE DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN AT ANY POINT YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN SPONSOR AN ITEM TO BRING THE RULES OF COUNCIL BACK AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE IF YOU SEE A PROBLEM AND BRING IT UP AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
SO, WELL, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL FOR THE MOTION.
YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL FOR THE VOTE.
AND THAT, THAT'S A, THAT STOPS THE CORRECT CONVERSATION.
ALRIGHT, WELL, ANY OTHER ITEMS? SO WE'VE MADE THE MOTION ON THE, UH, ON THE, THE ONE, THE ONE CHANGE.
I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THEY NEED TO COME BACK UNLESS WE WANNA BRING SOMETHING SPECIFIC BACK.
UM, I, I TELL LIKE THE LIMIT WHAT WE PULLED FROM, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES I THINK WE JUST, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S STUFF ON THERE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE WEEK, TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO, AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO A FULL PRESENTATION.
I MEAN THAT, THAT KIND OF, I MEAN THAT'S TAKING A LOT OF TIME.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'VE ALREADY HAD A FULL PRESENTATION.
I MEAN, DO WE DO IT AGAIN? I MEAN, MAYBE LIMITED.
WE CAN PULL IT BUT NOT HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, CAN THIS BE A VISIONING WORKSHOP DISCUSSION? YEAH.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF THE MANAGEMENT OF MEETINGS, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT.
LIKE, I'M TOTALLY DOWN TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I WANT LIKE, THINK ABOUT IT.
IT'S ALSO PRIMARILY FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER'S COMING IN, SO TO YOU.
'CAUSE YOU NEED TO, NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED TO READ THE RULES OF COUNSEL.
EVEN THOUGH SOME THINGS WE FOLLOW MORE CLOSELY THAN OTHERS.
I MEAN, WE FOLLOW THE SPIRIT OF IT.
I WOULD SAY, UH, AT LEAST I TRY TO.
UM, BUT YOU NEED TO, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'RE UNCLEAR ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO THE RULES? NO, NOT YET.
UM, YOU GOTTA WORK WITH HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
THE PUBLIC CAN'T HEAR YOU WHEN YOU GOT, BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE RULES.
BUT IT, IT WAS, IT, IT WAS A POINT ACTUAL AN ISSUE AT, AT MANY YEARS AGO WITH SOME FOLKS WHO DIDN'T LIKE TO TURN THEIR MIC ON.
SO, COULD I MAKE A MOTION? YES.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RULES OF COUNSEL, UM, WITH SOME MI THE MINOR CLEANUPS CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
UM, AND THAT SHOULD THERE BE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION OR NEEDS THAT WE CAN BRING THAT BACK? MM-HMM
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER, THAT WE APPROVE, UH, RULES OF COUNSEL AND AFFIRM THAT RULES OF COUNSEL AS AMENDED AND THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE AND SAY THAT ANYONE CAN BRING IT BACK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, TO DISCUSS FURTHER.
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ON THAT MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.[27) Consider nominations and selection of Mayor Pro Tem for 2025.]
UP.AGENDA ITEM 27, CONSIDER NOMINATIONS AND SELECTION OF A MAYOR PRO TEM FOR 2025.
MAYOR PRO TEM RIZZO BEEN BEEN THE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR A WHILE.
YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ON EITHER NOMINATIONS OR JUST WANTED TO SAY A STATEMENT REAL QUICK? I WANNA THANK THE, THE D FOR, UH, GIVING ME THAT HONOR.
THE LAST YEAR, UH, WHEN I WAS, UH, APPOINTED MAYOR PRO TEM LAST YEAR WHEN I FIRST GOT REELECTED, I CAME TO A SURPRISE.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
THANK, UH, COUNCILMAN ZUNIGA FOR NOMINATING ME.
UM, IT DEFINITELY, I DID MY BEST AS MAYOR PRO TEM IN THE LAST YEAR.
I, I ATTENDED EVERY MEETING I COULD.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I TAKE IT TAKE, YOU KNOW, VERY WHOLEHEARTEDLY AS FOR THE JOB THAT I SIGNED UP FOR.
AND I MAKE A LOT OF DAYTIME MEETINGS, UH, DURING MY YEARS, UH, MAYOR PRO TIM, HOPE I DID THIS GUY AS WELL.
I, UM, I WORKED WITH A LOT OF FEDERAL AND LOCAL OFFICIALS.
I BUILT GREAT RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYONE ELSE AROUND US STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL BROUGHT IN HELP BRING IN DOLLARS AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE MAYOR AND REST OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND, UH, JUST WANNA SAY THANK Y'ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I APPRECIATE IT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYOR PRO TEM, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE TITLE, IT'S ABOUT THE JOB.
AND THAT'S, TITLES ARE FLEETING.
SO DOING THE JOB IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO WHEN Y'ALL ENTRUSTED ME WITH THIS JOB, I DID MY BEST.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, I BROUGHT, UH, A LOT OF VALUE TO IT TO THE DAIS.
AND I, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT YOU SAID.
THAT MAYOR PRO TEM OFTENTIMES IS GETS THE CALL FROM THE MAYOR WHEN I CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING.
AND UH, ROBERT, YOU ARE ALWAYS, YOU ARE ALWAYS AVAILABLE AND YOU TOOK THAT SERIOUSLY.
IF I COULDN'T MAKE SOMETHING, YOU ALWAYS TRIED VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU COULD.
THE REASON I WAS LAUGHING IS 'CAUSE I, EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S, I GOT THE JOB WHERE THE MAYOR DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING OUT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THIS COMING YEAR? I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU ROBERT FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT MAYOR TEMP.
I, I DID SEE YOUR WORKING EFFORT IN THAT ROW AND, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SET A VERY HIGH BAR AND UM, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IN THE TIME AND THE HOURS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A LOT OF DEDICATION TO THAT, TO THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT SERVICE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NEED DISCUSSION? WE NEED NOMINATIONS.
UH, I'M, I'M NOT FLEXIBLE IN MY WORK SCHEDULE TO, TO CARRY THIS KIND OF ROLE AT THIS TIME.
SO I, I WILL NOT BE CONSIDERING.
AND I, PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T CONSIDER ME EITHER ON THE DIOCESE FOR MARY PROAM.
WELL, I GUESS I'LL MAKE A NOMINATION.
UM, I'VE ENJOYED BEING MARY PROAM.
UH, IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT IT, IT'S WORTH IT.
I KNOW SOMEONE THAT HAS A REALLY FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S INTERESTED IN THE JOB, BUT, UH, BE HEISER, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN BEING IN MAYOR PRO TOWN? UH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN HONOR.
WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR CUSTOMER HEISER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? I DO.
I DO THINK YOUR SCHEDULE IS FLEXIBLE AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S HELPFUL.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS JOB, BUT IT IS BENEFICIAL WHEN THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN.
SO I DO, I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
AND YOU'RE GOING INTO YOUR THIRD YEAR, SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE TO SEE, SEE WHAT IT IS AND WHAT THE JOB IS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING 'CAUSE YOU LIKE TO LIKE STAND UP AND STUFF, BUT CLEARLY I DID TOO TODAY.
SO ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANNA ASK BEAR IF YOU KNOW THIS A ROLE YOU, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, NAVIGATING INTO AND, YOU KNOW, UM, BEING AVAILABLE AND, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I, REPRESENTING AVAILABILITY IS OUR GREATEST ABILITY.
UM, NOT TO SOUND CLICHE, BUT, UH, I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THE MEETINGS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TAKE A MINUTE TO GET USED TO IF THE TIME COMES.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD, UH, TWO GREAT MEN TO FOLLOW, UH, IN MY TWO YEARS.
UM, TWO PLUS YEARS HERE ON THE DIOCESE.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, BEEN A GOOD PRECEDENT SET THAT WOULD BE AGREE WITH THAT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BAHEER AS MAYOR PRO TEM, UH, FOR THE YEAR OF 2025.
AND, UH, JUST WANT, UH, WAIT ON A SECOND SO I CAN DO SOME DISCUSSION.
THE MOTIONS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HEISER.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
SECOND, UH, MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA, THAT WE SELECT BEAR
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HEISER FOR MAYOR PRO TEM FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.IS THERE DISCUSSION MAYOR PRO TEM? YEAH.
IT'S NOT ABOUT A BAR OR WHO DID IT, WHICH WAY.
IT'S ABOUT BRINGING THIS DUS AND THE WORK ETHIC TOWARDS THE POSITION.
SO MY CHALLENGE TO YOU IS TO GET THE WORK DONE.
DO YOUR BEST TO WORK WITH ALL PARTNERS AT ALL LEVELS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE KNOW THAT WHAT YOU'RE BEING GIVEN IS BY YOUR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A TITLE, IT'S A JOB.
AND WHAT WE EXPECT FROM YOU IS A HUNDRED PERCENT TO DO THE JOB AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT REFLECTS HIS
SO, UH, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF, IF YOU HOLD THOSE WORDS DEAR.
AND, UH, DO A GREAT JOB, PLEASE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[28) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the 2025 Council Visioning Workshop.]
AGENDA ITEM 28.RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD DISCUSSION, PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE 2025 COUNCIL VISIONING WORKSHOP.
AND IF WE COULD MAKE THIS LAST UNTIL MIDNIGHT, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
I DO NOT WANNA BE THE ONE IN SLEEPING IN THIS COUNCIL MEETING.
FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE THE COUNCIL VISIONING WORKSHOP FOR 2025 TO DISCUSS.
UM, SO EACH YEAR THE COUNCIL HOLDS A VISIONING WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE GOALS AND PLANS FOR THE YEAR.
AND IT SETS THE STAGE FOR THE BUDGET SEASON BY PROVIDING CRITICAL DIRECTION ON Y'ALL'S KEY PRIORITIES AND EXPECTATIONS.
AND IT ALSO PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO EVALUATE AND UPDATE THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO, ITEMS TO DISCUSS WITH US TONIGHT IS THE FACILITATOR TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION, POTENTIAL DATES, LOCATIONS, AND SITE VISITS AND BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, FACILITATORS HAVE BEEN USED AND PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE IN GUIDING DISCUSSIONS AND START ENSURING EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION AND ACHIEVING PRODUCTIVE OUTCOMES OF GROUP SETTINGS.
THE INTENT IS TO HAVE A FACILITATOR LEAVE A HALF A DAY SESSION FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING THE COUNCIL'S VISION, PRIORITIES, AND GOALS FOR THE COMING YEAR.
RAMSEY CONSULTING HAS BEEN SELECTED.
THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, DESIGN, PLANNING AND FACILITATION, AND THE FACILITATOR WILL INTERVIEW EACH COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER PRIOR TO THE WORKSHOP TO PREPARE AND ORGANIZE A TAILORED DISCUSSION UNIQUE TO THE COUNCIL.
POSSIBLE TOPICS INCLUDE UPDATE TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT DASHBOARD, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PLANNING AND OVERSIGHT, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, BUDGET PROCESS REVIEW, COUNCIL MEETING FORMAT AND MANAGEMENT, PROJECT VISIONING AND OTHERS.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER TOPICS, UM, WE COULD TAKE THIS AT THE TIME OR LATER.
UM, THE DATES FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, WE WERE THINKING MARCH OF 2025 TO KICK OFF THE BUDGET SEASON.
UM, IT WOULD BE A WORKING WEEKEND.
WE'D BEGIN AT 6:00 PM ON FRIDAY AND END AT 12:00 PM ON SUNDAY.
AND SO THESE ARE THE WEEKENDS IN MARCH THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
UM, WE'D LIKE Y'ALL TO MAKE THAT DECISION WITHIN THE CONTEXT THAT WE DO HAVE THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONGRESSIONAL CITY CONFERENCE GOING ON MARCH 10TH THROUGH THE 12TH, MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY IN WASHINGTON.
DC UM, THE LOCATIONS HAVE VARIED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, BUT ARE TYPICALLY CHOSEN IN CITIES WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN VISIT DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT CITY FACILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE OR PROGRAMS THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO KYLE.
POSSIBLE LOCATIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS YEAR INCLUDE SAN ANTONIO DENTON, FORT WORTH, DALLAS, AND KYLE, UM, SAN ANTONIO.
UM, WHY WE LOOKED AT THAT ONE.
IT HAS, UH, PUBLIC AMENITIES, DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE PLACES TO VISIT IN SAN ANTONIO.
PEARL DISTRICT, SAN ANTONIO RIVER WALK, THE CENTRAL LIBRARY HEMISPHERE PARK, BROOKS CITY BASE, SAN PEDRO CREEK MISSION REACH, HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS.
AMBER, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE DATES REAL QUICK? YEAH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS TOWARDS THOSE PARTICULAR, THOSE PARTICULAR DATES? I CANNOT DO THE FIRST ONE.
SO THE SIXTH MARCH 7TH THROUGH NINTH IS NOT, IS NOT A OPTION FOR ME, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT, UM, FOR ANYONE THAT'S GOT SCHOOLED, KIDS MM-HMM
THIS IS GONNA BE SPRING BREAK.
WHICH ONE? THE FIRST ONE? I'M NOT SURE.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE, THE SECOND ONE IS SPRING BREAK.
SO NOW WE'RE TO THE THIRD MARCH 21ST THROUGH THE 23RD.
SPRING BREAK IS THE 17TH THROUGH THE 21ST.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT'S IN MY CALENDAR, AT LEAST 17TH THROUGH THE 20.
THE SECOND OR THE THIRD IS GONNA BE ON, ON THE BOOKEND OF ONE OF SPRING
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BREAK.EITHER THE BEGINNING OF SPRING BREAK OR THE END OF SPRING BREAK.
AND I'M SORRY, I JUST, I HAVE, I HAVE NO OPTION.
I CANNOT MISS, I CANNOT MAKE IT ON THE SEVENTH THROUGH THE NINTH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE ON FIRST TO OPEN SPRING BREAK OR TO CLOSE SPRING BREAK OR TO SUGGEST ANOTHER DATE? I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL.
SPRING BREAK WAS THE 17TH THROUGH THE 21ST PHASE IS RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THE 14TH THROUGH THE 16TH IS THE WEEKEND BEFORE SPRING BREAK.
AND THE 21ST THROUGH THE 23RD IS THE WEEKEND AFTER.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT A BIG 10 DAY TRIP PLANNED, I GUESS THE 21ST, I MEAN, WELL, HANG ON.
SO THE 21ST IS FRIDAY OF SPRING BREAK.
THE 14TH IS THE FRIDAY BEFORE.
SO IF YOU WANNA GET THE MOST SPRING BREAK, WE'D PROBABLY DO THE, THE 14TH THROUGH THE 16TH.
'CAUSE THAT STARTS ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE SPRING BREAK, AND THEN YOU'RE BACK ON SUNDAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S ONE EXTRA DAY THAT WAY.
BUT DID SOMEONE SAY THE 14TH THROUGH THE 16TH WAS BAD OUTSIDE OF THE SPRING BREAK? NO, I, THAT WORKS FOR ME.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT MY KIDS BEING OFF SCHOOL AND WHEN RIGHT.
SO THE 14TH OR 16TH LOGISTICALLY MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
BECAUSE FRIDAY THE 21ST WHEN WE WOULD BE LEAVING, THE KIDS WILL BE HOME FRIDAY THE 14TH WHEN WE WOULD BE LEAVING, THE KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL.
THAT'S JUST GONNA BE A LONG WEEK.
YOU CAN THEN IT'S ALL WORK AT THE WORKSHOP TOO, SO WEDNESDAY, BUT IT'S IN THE 10TH THROUGH THE 12TH.
SO CAN WE MAKE A DECISION FOR 14TH THROUGH 16TH? DOES THAT WORK? WHERE YOU AT, MARK? UH, WELL, WE'D BEEN TALKING ABOUT A SKI TRIP WHILE THE BOYS WERE OUTTA SCHOOL THAT WEEK.
BUT, UH, I MADE A COMMITMENT WHEN I TOOK THIS ROLE.
SO, WELL, THE 14TH THROUGH THE 16TH WOULD STILL GIVE YOU SPRING BREAK TO, THERE'S A SKI TRIP IN THERE STILL.
MARK, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET IN TROUBLE YOUR LITERAL FIRST NIGHT, RIGHT?
THE 14TH IS MY BIRTHDAY, BUT I OH, I'LL CELEBRATE IT WITH YOU GUYS, MAN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD I'LL BE AFTER THE 14TH.
AND, UH, WHAT WERE THE DATES OR THE, THE, I WAS THINKING WE HAVEN'T BEEN TO SAN ANTONIO IN A WHILE AND IT'S THE SHORTEST DRIVE.
SO ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT, THAT PART, AND THEY'VE GOT A GREAT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
I'M GOOD WITH THEM WORKING ON A SAN ANTONIO TRIP.
BUT WE'VE SEEN SAN ANTONIO, WE'VE BEEN TO, WE'VE BEEN, I'M BORED WITH SAN ANTONIO LIKE THREE TIMES.
WE'VE, AND AND WHERE DID WE GO LAST YEAR? BASTROP BASTROP LAST YEAR.
AND THEN IT WAS, IT WAS DALLAS BEFORE.
FORT WORTH HAS SOME REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS REALLY FASCINATING.
PRIOR TO THAT, BEEN THERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS BEFORE THAT, THAT THE PARKS AND DOWNTOWN, UM, HAVE SOME EXCELLENT MODELS THAT WE COULD USE, UM, IN I'M OPEN FORT WORTH TOO.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.
OR BEFORE I'M JUST, I IT'S JUST A BIG LONG WEEKEND.
AND SO THE GETTING THERE FASTER HELPS ME A LITTLE.
WHEN DID, UH, COUNCIL RIZZO JUST SAID COUNCIL DID FREDERICKSBURG.
I, I MEAN, THAT WAS OUR FIRST ONE WITH, UH, DOWNTOWN BEING A BIG PRIORITY FOR US IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A PRETTY COOL HISTORIC LOOKING DOWNTOWN WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO FREDERICKSBURG.
HUH? UH, IT'S LIKE, WHO HAS NOT BEEN TO FREDERICKSBURG'S DOWNTOWN? I'VE BEEN FOR A DAY, BUT NEVER LIKE, YEAH, THE DI THE DIFFERENT, THINK IT WAS BEFORE I WAS IN THE SEAT WHEN WE MET, WE MET WITH THE CITY OFFICIALS THERE, TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER PLANS.
UH, TALK MORE ABOUT A MI WATERING.
'CAUSE THEY'VE GOT A MI THERE AS WELL.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M SAD THAT THEY BEAT US TO IT.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, BUT WE DID LEARN A LOT WHEN WE WERE THERE, BUT THE ONLY ONES LEFT FROM THAT TRIP WERE COUNCILOR TOBI FROM THAT WORK SESSION WAS COUNCILOR TOBIAZ, THE MAYOR AND MYSELF.
WELL, I'VE BEEN TO SAN ANTONIO MORE THAN ANYWHERE.
SO, TO THAT LEE'S POINT, BECAUSE WE OFTEN, TML IS IN THESE BIG CITIES ALSO, IT HASN'T BEEN IN FORT WORTH.
SO I DO THINK FORT WORTH MAKES SENSE AS A NEW PLACE FOR US TO GO, THAT WE DON'T REGULARLY VISIT.
SO I COULD TOTALLY GET ON BOARD WITH FORT WORTH.
TMLS TO FORT WORTH THIS YEAR TOO.
IS IT REALLY? IT'S IT, WELL, THERE ARE NO GOOD OR BAD OPTIONS.
WHAT ABOUT, UH, STAYING IN KYLE?
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SEE, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPACE.I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO BRING THAT ONE UP.
UM, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO STAY IN KYLE, BUT THE POINT IS FOR US TO, IS TO WHERE YOU'RE AWAY.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT STAYING AT YOUR HOUSE.
IT'S A FULL IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE.
AND KYLE WILL, EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME.
FORT WORTH OR SAN UH, UM, SAN ANTONIO, TOBIAS, WHEREVER YOU GUYS WANNA GO.
MCKINNEY? I'LL SAY SAN ANTONIO IF WE LEAVING TOWN.
FORT WORTH, SAN ANTONIO, KYLE, I'LL DO A SAY IT'S SHORT A, NOT FREDERICKSBURG.
ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S THREE SAN ANTONIOS, TWO FORT WORTH.
NO, YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE AMBER? SORRY TO RUN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO RUN THROUGH OR BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS.
THIS IS THE BUDGET CONSIDERATION.
WE DID A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT MIGHT COST TO TRAVEL, UM, AWAY.
UM, SO 30,000, BUT NEXT STEPS, WE WILL BRING YOU BACK A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE WORKSHOP WITH THE LOCATION AND THE DATES AND AN ESTIMATE OF THE BUDGET AS WELL FOR YOU TO APPROVE.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN, IF YOU WANT TO STAY ON THE RIVERWALK, IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR AREA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO STAY IN OR, OR IN SAN ANTONIO, IF YOU WANNA THROW THOSE OUT, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S IN MIND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, LET US KNOW.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO, TO LOOK AT IT FOR YOU.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE COST, BUT THE FACILITATOR PART OF IT, I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, ON NOT SURE IF THAT WORKED, WORKS OUT WELL BECAUSE I, I WANNA KIND OF JUST GET TO THE POINTS AND GET A, GET AS MUCH DONE WITHOUT THAT IN MEDIARY THE GATE, UH, PART OF IT.
SO YEAH, IF, IF IT'S GONNA BE THE FACILITATOR RUNNING THE AGENDA TIME THAT THAT DOES NOT, THAT TO ME DID NOT WORK OUT EFFICIENTLY.
I, I, I, FROM ONLY MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT SURE NOT OTHERS.
I THINK YOU'RE NOT, THE ONLY ONE THAT I HEARD FROM ON THAT LAST YEAR IS THAT YOU, YOU REALLY WANT SOME MORE TIME, UH, TO TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES AND HAVE MAYBE STAFF BRING UP SOME TOPICS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO TEE UP ISSUES AND LET THE COUNCIL WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING THIS YEAR IS, IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN HAVING A FACILITATOR THERE FOR ALL THREE DAYS TO GO THROUGH IT.
BUT PERHAPS JUST THE FIRST PART OF THE RETREAT, STARTING ON THAT FRIDAY AT SIX O'CLOCK OR SO MM-HMM
IS THAT WE WOULD KIND OF LAY SOME GROUND RULES, TALK ABOUT WHAT VISIONING SESSIONS ARE, WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT, SOME GOALS, A LITTLE BIT OF GOAL SETTING, AND THEN ALL OF SATURDAY, ALL OF SUNDAY THEN WOULD BE THAT MORE FREESTYLE KIND OF CONVERSATION.
BUT I, I DO THINK MY, MY EXPERIENCE IS, UM, COUNCILS NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FROM THE FACILITATOR, A LITTLE BIT OF THOSE VISIONING TYPE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW DO THESE WORK, WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? UM, IT'S UP TO YOU.
IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR MEETING, NOT MINE.
AND, BUT I I, I'D RECOMMEND IT TO YOU.
I THINK, UM, RICK ROBINSON IS SOMEONE I'VE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST.
I THINK HE WOULD DO A GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT FOR YOU AND GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE THAT OPEN DISCUSSION.
WHICH I THINK, I THINK THE OVERALL FEEDBACK I GOT WAS THAT SOME OF THAT WAS MISSING FROM, FROM, FROM THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT THERE IS SOME STRUCTURE TOO.
IT'S, IT'S A THREE DAYS TO FILL AND IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO TRY TO GO THROUGH.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN HOW I'VE SET IT UP.
BUT WE'RE OPEN TO DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT.
SO ARE WE THINKING STARTING EARLY ON THE FIRST DAY OR ARE WE THINKING ABOUT IN THE EVENING? LIKE, 'CAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE MOST OUT OF THE DAY THAT WE'RE THERE AND MAYBE THE LAST DAY IS A HALF DAY.
WELL, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS THE HALF DAY ON SUNDAY TO GO TO ABOUT NOON ON SUNDAY.
THAT WAY, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE GO, WE'D TRAVEL BACK FROM THAT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE WERE THINKING LIKE SIX GIVES EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO PUT IN SOME HOURS AT THE JOB OR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT HAVE GOING ON WITH THEIR FAMILY THAT DAY, AND THEN MAKE TRIP DOWN TO WHEREVER WE'RE GOING.
WE COULD START EARLIER IF YOU'D LIKE.
I, I HAVE AN EASIER FLEXIBLE TO GET OFF EARLY.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, MR. TOBI.
'CAUSE WHEN WE GOT TO, UH, BASTROP, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THERE, WE GOT A REALLY LATE START, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WERE ALL ACCOMMODATING.
THE LATE OF THE ARRIVALS WERE LATE.
WELL, I, I JUST WANNA SAY I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID A THOUSAND PERCENT.
AND I'M, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY THAT YOU'VE SET IT UP.
SO I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH FIVE OF THESE THINGS.
AND EACH AND EVERY TIME I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT THE WEAKEST PART, THE PART THAT DRUG IS DOWN, WAS THE FACILITATOR EVERY SINGLE TIME.
THAT'S BEEN MY, UH, SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS, BUT I THINK THIS
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GROUP IN PARTICULAR WITH BRIAN AND KNOWING EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT GOING ON, FILLING UP THE TIME IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.SO I, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT BE US AND GET, GET FOCUSED ON THE, UH, ON THE WORK AND SAVE THE MONEY.
I, I, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN MY OPINION, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO DRIVE THAT.
'CAUSE THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO A FACILITATOR.
IT'S NOT BRIAN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING.
SO THAT HE'S NOT THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON FOR ME TO, TO, TO GO THROUGH THOSE EXERCISES THAT THE FACILITATOR'S LIKE FOR US TO GO THROUGH.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE GET MUCH OUT OF 'EM.
WE'VE NEVER COME BACK TO ANY OF THE TALKING POINTS OF WHAT THAT FACILITATOR WANTS US TO FOCUS ON.
MAYBE WE PRODUCE DOCUMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE NEVER GO BACK TO IT.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE COULD REALLY STAND TO HAVE EXTENSIVE TIME DISCUSSING AND GOING THROUGH.
I THINK, MAYOR, IF I COULD ADD, IF WE COULD BREAK IT DOWN INTO EACH CATEGORY, UH, THAT PERTAINS TO OUR CITY WITH YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOUR PARKS, YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOUR ROADS, YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THOSE ARE DIVIDED UP INTO THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND TALKING POINTS AND PUT IT ON ALL SEVEN OF US TO DO HOMEWORK, TO HAVE OUR STUFF.
AND I, AND I, AND I REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER DEX ELLISON USED TO DO THIS WHERE HE WOULD DO HIS HOMEWORK AND HE WOULD HAVE ALL HIS DISCUSSION POINTS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HE WOULD HAVE HIS HOMEWORK READY.
THIS IS WHAT I, MY VISION IS FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR ECONOMIC IN THE AREA.
AND I THINK IF EACH ONE OF US CAN MAYBE GO THAT ROUTE, IF WE'RE NOT DOING A FACILITATOR, YOU CAN GUYS HAVE YOUR PLAN OF EACH CATEGORY FOR OUR CITY.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE OUR STUFF READY TO GO AND HAVE, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA BRING FOR DISTRICT SIX.
THIS IS WHAT I WANNA BRING FOR THE CITY.
THAT WAY THAT THE CONVERSATION STAYS ON TRACK AND WE'RE NOT GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
'CAUSE WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, WE ALL HAVE HAVE DIFFERENT SAY, BUT SOMETIMES I THINK CERTAIN CONVERSATIONS LAST A LOT LONGER AND MORE PASSIONATE IN OTHER THINGS.
AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE, WE CAN ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GOING AT.
OR MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US THAT GUIDELINE TO HAVE IT READY TO GO, WE CAN DO OUR OWN HOMEWORK.
WHEN WE COME HERE, WE'RE READY TO GO AND READY TO GET IN THE GAME.
WELL, I, I THINK AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT ANY WAY YOU WANT, BUT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, IT'S CHALLENGING BECAUSE THERE'S SEVEN OF YOU, YOU ALL HAVE VERY DIFFERENT IDEAS OF WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON.
AND I THINK WITHOUT A LITTLE STRUCTURE, IT CAN BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND VERY FRUSTRATING FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED THAT YOU MAY NOT GET THE THINGS DONE THAT YOU WANTED TO GET DONE.
THERE'S NO TIME LIMITS ON HOW LONG YOU CAN TALK AND ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS ABOUT HOW WE WILL GO THROUGH IT.
BRIAN, THAT'S BEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
WE GET TO THE END AND WE WE'RE OUTTA TIME AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS WE WANNA TALK ABOUT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, UH, MAY MAYBE THAT'S TRUE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET THROUGH ALL OF IT.
I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH TO GO THROUGH AND, AND PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZATION IS, IS THE KEY IN THESE THINGS IS TO, TO LOOK AT WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
THIS IS A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER TOPICS.
I THINK TRYING TO ELICIT FROM COUNCIL, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT? ARE THESE IT, ARE THERE THINGS BEYOND THIS? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT.
SO PERHAPS WE COULD TRY TO PLAN THAT OUT.
BUT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VISIONING WORK, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THIS ORGANIZATION, IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S REALLY TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF YOUR TIME TO BE FOCUSED ON THOSE THINGS.
SO I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE A FACILITATOR CAN HELP SET THE STAGE, HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
WHAT'S THE ROLE OF COUNCIL, WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THIS VISITING WORKSHOP? WHAT DO YOU WANNA TRY TO GET OUT OF THAT? BUT I DO THINK WE NEEDED SOME, THIS GROUP CERTAINLY NEEDED SOME MORE TIME JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FREE FLOWING DISCUSSION ON THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT I THINK JUST WALKING IN WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT SUBJECTS AND IDEAS THAT'S, IT'S THAT'S TOUGH.
SO JUST TWO, MY 2 CENTS I'VE GOT, WHAT IF WE HAVE A FACILITATOR COME IN LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE FOR AN EVENING AND WORK WITH US ON WHAT THE STRUCTURE'S GONNA BE, WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE? I, I, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THE DISCUSSION ABOUT FACILITATORS.
I THINK THEY HAVE WASTED A LOT OF THE COUNCIL'S TIME.
AND I FIND THAT TO BE TRUE OF WORDS TOO.
WE TAKE NONPROFIT BOARDS, BRING IN FACILITATORS FOR THEIR BOARD VISIONING WORKSHOPS EVERY YEAR AND THEY TEND TO BE A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT HAVING ONE COME IN AND HELP US ADDRESS THE AGENDA
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AND THE STRUCTURE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A WEEK TO PREPARE LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS SAID, UM, TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT WE'VE AGREED IN ADVANCE THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS MIGHT WORK REALLY WELL.I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH EVERYBODY.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY IS I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE ON THE SCREEN AND IT TELLS YOU HOW, WHY THE IMPORTANCE WAS, I MEAN I REMEMBER OUR VISION WORKSHOP LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE ALL ON DIFFERENT PAGES AND WE'RE SO FAR FROM COMING TOGETHER.
AND THE FACILITATOR AND THE ARTISTS BROUGHT THIS TOGETHER AND BROUGHT, BROUGHT US TOGETHER WHERE WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT A VISION.
I DO AGREE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HIT THE IMPORTANT THINGS EARLIER.
UH, LIKE TO HAVE STARTED THEM EARLIER ON SATURDAY INSTEAD OF ON SUNDAY.
UH, BUT I THINK INITIALLY THE FACILITATOR'S GONNA BE THE PERSON THAT BRINGS US TOGETHER.
'CAUSE LOOK, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT VISIONS.
BEING ABLE TO COME TOGETHER IS, I THINK IT'S, IT IS NOT AN EASY TASK.
IT, IT TAKES SOMEONE TO DO THAT.
LOOK HONESTLY, WE, WE ALL LOOK AT BRIAN AND WE ALL WANT TO POSITION AND AND TRY TO GET BRIAN TO SEE OUR S RIGHT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DAY, THAT RANG TRUE.
BUT, BUT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, A FACILITATOR HAS NO, NO NOTHING TO GAIN BY TRYING TO SWAY US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S ABOUT BRINGING THIS TOGETHER AND IT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO I THINK MAYBE WHAT BRIAN SAID IS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE'VE ALL SAID, MAYBE NOT ME, BUT, BUT WE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA, THE FACILITATORS IN A MORE TRUNCATE OR A, A MORE LIMITED ROLE STILL HAS A PLACE, BUT THAT YOU ARE TRYING, YOU ARE PREPARING TO ALLOCATE MORE TIME FOR STRUCTURED DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER AND AND THE EXECUTIVE TEAM.
AND I, I THINK AGAIN, OUR, OUR, THE WAY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS IS THAT FRIDAY EVENING AND WHATEVER TIME WE DECIDE WE WOULD MEET.
SO WE WERE THINKING SIX O'CLOCK, MAYBE YOU WANNA START EARLIER, WE SIX O'CLOCK.
THAT WOULD BE THE FACILITATOR TIME TO SET THE STAGE FOR THE WHOLE RETREAT.
HOW'S THIS GONNA WORK? WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH? AND THEN SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, IT'S JUST US.
I, I'M OKAY, BUT I'M, I'M O AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP BE HELPFUL AND I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND CONCERNS THAT WE GOT FROM THE LAST TIME.
IT'S
SO IT'S JUST, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR.
AND IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO FIND THAT, TO MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE THAT.
YOU WALK OUT OF THERE AND YOU ALL GOT WHAT YOU WANTED IN THAT TIME.
BUT TRY TO SAYING 90% OF IT WHAT I'M SAYING, I I THINK WE SHOULD JUST LET 'EM GO WITH THE WAY THEY'RE PLANNING IT.
'CAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT LAURA LEE SAID.
I AGREE WITH WHAT ZUNIGA SAID, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I SENSE THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY MINUTE OF IT ALL.
AND I, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THAT, THE ONE IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DISCUSSION, IT'S GOOD FOR, IT'S GOOD FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO TAKE UP OUTSIDE VIEW.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO US IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU DO.
AND SO THEY CAN BE A LITTLE MORE DIRECT WITH, WITH US.
I, I THINK THEY CAN, THEY CAN ALSO GIVE YOU THEIR PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND, AND THE PITFALLS OF APPROACHES THAT YOU HAVE AND IN WAYS THAT DON'T COME ACROSS AS DEFENSIVE.
WHERE IF IT'S COMING FROM STAFF AND WE'RE TRYING TO POINT OUT WEAKNESSES, IT'S RIGHT.
BEAR IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS GONNA BE CLEANED UP, BUT I WAS JUST GONNA SUPPORT WHAT COUNCILMAN RIZZO SAID AND BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE I DEFINITELY THINK THAT WE NEED SOMEBODY AT LEAST FOR PART OF THE TIME OKAY.
TO STEWARD CONVERSATION TO KEEP US ON TRACK.
UM, WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S ALREADY GOT A HYBRID BETWEEN ALL SEVEN OF US PLANNED, SO, SO, ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN 1130 IF THERE'S ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT ARE OF MAJOR INTEREST THAT YOU WANT US TO, IT DOES TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO PREPARE EACH ONE OF THESE WELL, BUT THEY'RE GONNA CALL AND INTERVIEW US.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK OF, CERTAINLY LET US KNOW.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MOTION TO ADJOURN.