ADJOURN THAT MEETING. ALL RIGHT. TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 6TH, 2025. AND THE TIME OF THE 
          [I) Call Meeting to Order, Roll Call, and Excuse Absences]
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MEETING IS 712. APOLOGIES FOR US COMING OUT LATE. I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU CAN, PLEASE STAND FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          [II) Approval of Minutes]
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST SECOND ITEM IS GOING TO BE THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES. 
          DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES AND DECEMBER 20TH. DID WE CALL ROLL ROLL CALL CALLING ROLL. THAT WAS NOT ON MY PAPER, SO I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          JENNIFER, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL. FLORES. HERE GOES. HERE MEDINA HERE. ZAPATA HERE. 
          HARRIS. HERE. MCKINNEY. HERE. TOBIAS. PRESENT. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S SEVEN. WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          NOW. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. LET'S CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES. DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES AND DECEMBER 22ND, 2025 SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES. SECOND, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A MOTION. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS, AND IT'S SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. ALL RIGHT. THE CITY COUNCIL ENCOURAGES AND WELCOMES INPUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS. AND CAN WE GET A VOTE? WE NEED A VOTE. ALL RIGHT. 
          THIS IS GOING TO BE ALL OVER YOUTUBE. I KNOW IT IS. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GET A VOTE? BY THE MOTION BY TOBIAS AND SECONDED BY HARRIS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SAY NO. OKAY. THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE 
          [III) Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD. THE CITY COUNCIL ENCOURAGES AND WELCOMES INPUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND VALUES. HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. CITIZENS ARE INVITED TO SHARE COMMENTS ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR OTHER MATTERS RELATED TO CITY BUSINESS. RESIDENTS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ARE ENCOURAGED TO SIGN IN PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING, TO ENSURE EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, SPEAKERS ARE ASKED TO LIMIT THEIR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS A NEIL SEGAL. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS EVENING. JUST WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO TO UNDERSCORE SOME THINGS I THINK ARE REAL IMPORTANT ABOUT WHAT YOU DO. FIRST OF ALL, I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT YOUR INITIATIVE, ALL OF YOU IN CONTACTING THE COMMUNITY, YOUR OUTREACH AS CANDIDATES AND HOPEFULLY WILL CONTINUE AND THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO STAY IN CONTACT NOT JUST THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT TO FIND AS MANY DIFFERENT CHANNELS AS YOU CAN TO CONTACT AND WORK WITH THE PUBLIC. I ALSO ENCOURAGE THE ROUGH THING, WHICH IS TO GET OUT AND BE SEEN IN PUBLIC AT DIFFERENT EVENTS, PUBLIC EVENTS OR HOA MEETINGS AND SO FORTH. TO MAKE IT REAL, MAKE IT CONCRETE. LET PEOPLE GET TO KNOW YOU AND ASK THEIR QUESTIONS DIRECTLY. SECOND, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M GLAD I HEARD THE GOOD HUMOR IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM. I HEARD SOME LAUGHTER A COUPLE OF TIMES. IT SEEMS THAT'S A GOOD SIGN. BUT YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT SEVEN PEOPLE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THE SAME THING, AND BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO FACE TIMES WHEN YOU SEE THE WORK IS DULL, BORING, EVEN SOMETIMES INVIGORATING, BUT TOO OFTEN PERHAPS UPSETTING. AND THIS CREATES A CHALLENGE BECAUSE THAT CONFERENCE ROOM AND EXECUTIVE SESSION OR IN, YOU KNOW, A WORKSHOP OF THE COUNCIL CAN BE A REAL PRESSURE CHAMBER. IT CAN BE DIFFICULT AND FEELINGS CAN GET RAW. AND I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO STEP BACK AND KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE. THAT'S THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE. AND TO ALL OF YOU, RESPECT EACH OTHER AND SPEAK AS DIRECTLY AND CLEARLY AS YOU CAN WITH EACH OTHER, AND MOREOVER, TO LISTEN SO THAT YOU CAN REALLY WORK TOGETHER AS A GROUP. THE ONE RULE ABOUT THAT KIND OF THING IS THAT DON'T TALK SO LOUD, YOU CAN'T BE HEARD WHEN YOU KNOW THAT'S HAPPENING. IT'S BREAKING DOWN. FINALLY, I JUST LIKE TO SAY YOU ARE THE HIGHEST PUBLIC SERVANTS IN THE CITY OF KYLE. 
          YOU'RE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, AND YOU MUST NECESSARILY WORK WITH THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CITY MANAGEMENT MODEL. YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR HANDS ON THE WHEEL. YOU 
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POINT THIS THING IN THE DIRECTION YOU WANT IT TO GO. YOU TRY TO STAY OUT OF THE DITCHES. YOU TRY TO USE THE TAXPAYER MONEY WISELY, AND YOU PUT YOUR INITIATIVES OUT THERE TO MOVE THINGS ALONG. BUT IT'S THE STAFF IN THE END THAT ARE THE MOTORS, THE GEARS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD TO MAKE THE WHOLE THING HAPPEN. AND IT'S REALLY GOOD. I WOULD ENCOURAGE REALLY STRONG PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS AMONG ALL THE STAFF AND ALL COUNCIL, SO THAT WE, THE CITIZENS, ACTUALLY HAVE THE BEST DONE ON OUR BEHALF. AND I WISH YOU SUCCESS IN TERMS OF YOUR CREATING A REALLY AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S GOOD FOR OUR GENERAL WELFARE, OUR SAFETY AND HOPEFULLY OUR PROSPERITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP I HAVE DOMINGO CASTILLA. 
          MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS DOMINGO CASTILLO AND I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE GENTLEMAN THAT TOOK A LOT OF MY MY AMNIOTOMY, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHAT I WAS GOING TO STATE YESTERDAY. I WENT TO BUDA AND THE WHOLE TOWN WAS FULL. I COULDN'T EVEN FIND A PARKING SPACE. THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING THERE. AND THEN I SAW AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHERE A CORPORATION, I THINK PISCES, THAT'S GOING TO LOCATE IN BUDA, IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE JOBS IN THE IN THE INDUSTRY OF I THINK IT'S THE, THE OR INDUSTRY AND CREATING LIKE DRONES AND ALL THIS STUFF. BUT IT STARTED SATURDAY 109,000. AND THEN I DROVE IT TO KYLE AND I SAW TWO CARS DOWNTOWN. AND I SAID, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WHAT'S GOING ON? SO WHAT I URGE YOU TO DO IS PLEASE DEVELOP LONG TERM PLANS. DO NOT CONCENTRATE ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST OR THESE CREDIT CARDS, $30 CREDIT CARDS. 
          WHEN THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS. LOOK. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE THE TALENT TO DO THAT, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN DO A GOOD JOB. 
          ALSO, RELY ON YOUR STAFF. LIKE THE GENTLEMAN STATED, I KNOW MR. BRIAN LANGLEY. HE'S VERY SHARP MAN. DAVE LOPEZ, JESS, AMBER, ALL, YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS STAFF YOU CAN RELY ON. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND LET'S DEVELOP SOME LONG TERM PLANS. FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS. 
          THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT TO SEE KYLE 5 OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THE NEXT ONE. I THINK IT'S MICHELLE. AND THEN THE LAST NAME IS G U E R E. AND WOULD YOU MIND STATING YOUR NAME SO I MICHELLE. GUYS, GUYS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          I CAME HERE BECAUSE ON MAY 10TH, 2022, JUNE 3RD, 2022, JULY 1ST, 2022. THOSE WERE ALL THE TIMES THAT WE WENT TO SETON HOSPITAL, AND THOSE WERE THE TIMES WHERE MY KIDS AND MY FAMILY GOT PUT IN DANGER. MY HUSBAND HAD A SEIZURE. WELL, ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, ACTUALLY DECEMBER 5TH, HE HAD A SEIZURE. HE HAD A MENTAL ISSUE. DECEMBER 7TH, I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY FAILED. THEY TREATED ME LIKE I WAS SOME VICTIM. THEY TREATED HIM LIKE HE WAS A PIECE OF. EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE, BUT THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. THEY. I TRY TO GET HELP FROM THE COPS. I TRY TO GET HELP FROM SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT STUFF. I WENT TO KYLE, I WENT TO BUDDHA. I WENT TO SAN MARCOS. 
          EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM CPS, EVERY ONE OF THEM TURNED THEIR BACK ON ME. AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, I WANT MY KIDS TO STAY OUT OF YOUR GUYS SYSTEM BECAUSE THEIR LIFE IS IN DANGER. AND SO OF ALL THE OTHER KIDS, BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS STANDING UP FOR THEM. AND IT'S NOT JUST MINE, IT'S THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TOO. EVERYONE WHO HAS A DISABILITY, ALL THE KIDS WHO HAVE ANY MENTAL ISSUES, ANY DISABILITY, WHO HAS AUTISM, THEY'RE MAKING IT MORE 
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CONFUSING FOR THEM. AND IT'S NOT RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT FAIR. MY FAMILY TURNED THEIR BACK ON ME TO MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY, TURNED THEIR BACK ON HIM TO. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE COMMIT SUICIDE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE UNIFORMS, NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY. I HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT SERVED IN THE MILITARY, AND I LOST THEM TO. BUT THEY'RE PROTECTED. SOME OF THEM AREN'T BECAUSE THEIR FAMILIES TURN THEIR BACK ON THEM. THERE WAS A GUY WHO'S THE SYSTEM FAILED HIM IN SAN DIEGO. I WAS RIGHT BY THAT AREA. AND HE COMMIT SUICIDE BY COP. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GUYS WOULD TRY TO FIX THE SYSTEM SO WE DON'T LOSE ANY KIDS BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS DAPHNE TENORIO. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. MEMBER, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE CITY OF KYLE, REPRESENTING DISTRICT SIX FOR TWO TERMS. AND I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE HAYS COUNTY TREASURER. SO TODAY I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF HEADS UP. FIRST, NOW THAT YOU'RE IN YOUR SEATS, GO TO TML AND BECOME PART OF THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. IT IS AMAZING. IT'S GOT SOME GREAT INFORMATION AND IT WILL GET YOU READY AND GOING THAT I THINK MYSELF. AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER. IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD LEADERSHIP GRADUATES ON THIS COUNCIL, SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE SOME. OKAY, SO I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT NUMBERS. A TREASURER TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS. RIGHT. 2222 MILLION. ANIMAL SHELTER 1.7 MILLION. DESIGNED FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER, 2 MILLION FOR THE ANNUAL YEAR. KEEP UP FOR ONE YEAR PLUS 5% INCREASES EVERY YEAR, 3.75 MILLION FOR THE LAND LEASE, $62.7 MILLION FOR THE ADMIN BUILDING FOR THE COUNTY, $4.13 MILLION ON THE DESIGN FOR THAT BUILDING, $100 MILLION FOR OUR WATER BONDS, 100 MILLION FOR OUR NEW CITY STAFF BUILDING, $100 MILLION FOR A SPORTS COMPLEX. WIMBERLEY AND DRIPPING SPRINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME EXPANSIONS OF THEIR COUNTY BUILDINGS AS WELL. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE PRICES, I ASK YOU TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY. AS A TAXPAYER, I'M NOT JUST PAYING TAXES TO THE CITY OF KYLE. I'M NOT JUST PAYING TAXES TO HAYS C-I-S-D I ALSO PAY TAXES TO THE COUNTY. I'M ASKING YOU TO REVIEW EVERY SINGLE EXPENSE. AND REMEMBER, A BOND IS NOT FREE MONEY. IT'S A LOAN THAT GETS PAID BACK BY US. 
          PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF OUR MONEY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UP NEXT, I HAVE STEVE THOMPSON. 
          THANK YOU. DANNY. HI. STEVE THOMPSON, I'M A A MUSICIAN. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IF, IF I COULD JUST REMIND PEOPLE TO SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE, ESPECIALLY YOU. AND WELCOME I WANT TO I DO WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO YVONNE. I WORKED ON YOUR CAMPAIGN AND I DID GET AT LEAST A DOZEN. I GOT IT GOT YOU A DOZEN VOTERS THAT I KNOW OF FOR A FACT. SO BUT I WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO YOU. REASON I'M HERE IS JUST IS THE SAME REASON THAT SHE JUST SPOKE THE AUDIT. THERE HAS TO BE AN AUDIT. YOU ASK FOR AN AUDIT. I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST SAW YOU AT. WHATEVER HOTEL THAT WAS, WHERE YOU HAD THAT LITTLE MEETING, AND IT WAS REALLY GOOD. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF PIZZA TOO. BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS IT WAS REAL GOOD. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING AN AUDIT, BUT WE NEED TO AUDIT THIS THE LAST TEN YEARS, JUST ALMOST EVERYTHING. THERE'S NO REASON THEY SPENT $6 MILLION TO BUY THAT PROPERTY DOWN THERE. AND THEY TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT. THEY CLOSED DOWN THE BUSINESSES AND TURNED IT INTO A PARKING LOT. WHY DID YOU DO THAT? 100. AND IT'S NOT 100 MILLION FOR THE SPORTS COMPLEX. IT'S 180 MILLION. WHERE ARE WE GETTING THAT GET GETTING THAT MONEY? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, GET AN NFL TEAM HERE? WHAT, THE KYLE REDBIRDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I GOTTA SAY, IT'S 
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JUST THE THE FRAUD IN GOVERNMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL AND IT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. I'M NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS AT ANY ONE PARTY OR ANYBODY ELSE. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT HAS TO STOP AND IT HAS TO STOP NOW, AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT THAT IF YOU READ WHAT OR YOU KNOW, IF YOU FOLLOW ALONG, IF YOU JUST EVEN IF YOU'RE JUST BREATHING, YOU STILL CAN'T HELP BUT NOT HEAR ABOUT MINNESOTA. OKAY. YEAH. AND ANYWAY IT IT THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. AND I GOT A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE ICEBERG. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY HARD YEAR FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND PLEASE JUST I WANT TO SAY WELCOME. AND I SUPPORT YOU 100% YVONNE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. IF I'M NOT TALKING LOUD ENOUGH, BY ALL MEANS JUST LET ME KNOW. NEXT UP I HAVE CHERIE BOYETTE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE WHO'S HERE TONIGHT. I WANT TO ADDRESS EVERYONE IN THE ROOM. I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL A QUESTION. I'M THE HAYS COUNTY ANIMAL ADVOCATE, AND I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL, HAVE YOU EVER LOVED A DOG OR CAT? CAN I HAVE YOU ADDRESS US? I'M REALLY SORRY. HAVE YOU EVER LOVED. I WAS GOING TO TURN BACK AROUND AFTER I SAID THAT. HAVE YOU EVER LOVED A DOG OR CAT? JUST. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. I COME UP HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SAVING LIVES. WE HAVE A PLAN BEFORE US. WE NEED TO GIVE IT FULL CONSIDERATION. THE COUNTY HAS BEEN PASSING THE BUCK ON THE PROPOSED PLAN IN 20 YEARS NOW. AND I SAY FOR DECADES, BECAUSE IT STARTED IN ABOUT 2006, IN MINUTES THAT I'VE GONE BACK AND READ. THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING NOW TO KYLE. AND WE WERE GOING TO PASS A COUNTY LED SYSTEM, AND PAWS USED TO TAKE IN THE ANIMALS WHEN THEY STOPPED. THAT WAS ABOUT 2002 OR 2006. SO I WANTED TO GO BACK ON THE HISTORY. KYLE SHOULD LEARN THE LESSONS OF THIS HISTORY AND LOOK AT THE SAN MARCOS ANIMAL CONTROL. WITHOUT ADEQUATE KENNELS, STAFF PROGRAMING AND RESOURCES. SAN MARCOS ANIMAL SHELTER REMAINS OVER CAPACITY AND HAS BEEN PLACING THE BURDENS ON THE CITIZENS OF SAN MARCOS. KYLE. CITIZENS ARE SMARTER THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'VE LEARNED THE LESSON BY WATCHING WHAT'S GONE ON IN SAN MARCOS, AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE OLD PRACTICES OF KILLING FOR SPACE. I'M SURE NONE OF YOU WANT TO HAVE TO ANSWER TO CONSTITUENTS ABOUT ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN EUTHANIZED BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH KENNELS OR ENOUGH PROGRAMS. MANAGEMENT WILL NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL THE PARTNERSHIPS AS WE GO FORWARD THAT YOU ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS ON. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 41 DOG KENNELS AND 36 KENNELS FOR CATS IN THE PROPOSED FEASIBILITY STUDY. OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL BE EXPANDED, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE PLAN. 
          THAT IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE PLAN. THE CITY OF KYLE WILL BE KILLING ANIMALS UNDER THAT PLAN. 
          SO SAN MARCOS HAS BEEN AT OVER CAPACITY FOR SO LONG. WE NEED ANSWERS. WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS CORRECTLY. PLEASE TAKE THESE RESPONSIBILITIES THOROUGH CONSIDERATION. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR DELAY AND YOUR CONTEMPLATION AS YOU HAVE IN YOUR LAST SESSION BEFORE SOME OF YOU WERE SEATED. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE LIVES OF THE DOGS AND CATS, AND FOR ENCOURAGING THAT THERE BE TIME FOR FULL EXAMINATION UNDER THE PROPOSED PARTNERSHIP FOR THE COST, AND ALSO THAT THE WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY BE CONSIDERED. ALL PARTIES MUST TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS CORRECTLY. BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR FUTURE GROWTH IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER FOR ALL OF HAYS COUNTY TAXPAYERS AND ANIMALS, IN ORDER THAT ALL THE JURISDICTIONS BE INCLUDED IN THE POLICIES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. BE REVIEWED TO PROVIDE A SUSTAINABLE, LONG TERM SOLUTION, INCLUDING ESSENTIAL RESOURCES, PROGRAMING SERVICES TO SAVE LIVES. 41 AND 36TH MAY BE GOOD FOR BUDA, BUT IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO BASE THIS FACILITY ON THAT NOW. THANK YOU FOR THE ANIMALS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP I HAVE NELIA BARRERA. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR MISS KALE FLORES AND HONORABLE CITY COUNCIL. I AM FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR NEW OFFICES. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE SACRIFICES THAT YOU MADE TO GET HERE, THE SACRIFICES THAT YOU'RE MAKING NOW, THE SACRIFICES THAT YOU WILL BE MAKING IN THE FUTURE FOR OUR BENEFIT. SO I AM THE 
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PRESIDENT OF THE KYLE LIONS CLUB. THE KYLE LIONS CLUB ACTUALLY IS A BIG IN NOW BIG INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION, NONPROFIT. IT STARTED IN 1917 AS JUST A AN ENTITY TO HELP HUMANITY. BUT IN 1925, THE HELEN KELLER WENT BEFORE THIS THE THE KNIGHTS AND BEFORE THE LIONS CLUB. SORRY. AND ASKED THEM TO BE THE KNIGHTS FOR THE BLIND. SO IT STARTED WITH VISION, BUT IT NOW GOES ON TO HUNGER. AND WE'RE AT A INTERNATIONAL SCALE. IF THERE'S AN EARTHQUAKE IN JAPAN, WE ARE HELPING. IF THERE IS A FLOOD IN KERRVILLE, WE ARE HELPING. I WANT TO POINT OUT THREE LITTLE EVENTS. I MEAN, WE DO A LOT HERE, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THOSE THAT HAVE GUIDED US AND HELPED US. WE WERE ONLY THREE MEMBERS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          ON THURSDAY. WE WERE GOING TO GROW FOUR MORE THIS WEEK, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE 25. I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN KYLE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE PARKS AND REC, DAVID LOPEZ AND HIS ALL HIS CREW JUST HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL IN HELPING US AND GUIDING US AND OFFERING US OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE A SMALL LITTLE EVENTS. WE'LL DO SOMETHING AS SMALL AS BUYING OUT, GOING OUT AND BUYING CONCHAS AND GOING OUT AND HAVING COFFEE WITH THE POLICE JUST TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM. AND HERE WE ARE. IT'S LOVELY. 
          IT'S I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR EVERYBODY'S KIND, KIND HELP. AND THE CARS AND LADIES AUXILIARY AND THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS. AND SO HERE WE ARE NOW, AND THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS. 
          WE COLLECTED 81 MEALS, LITERALLY COLLECTED 81 MEALS, AND LITERALLY TOOK THEM TO DIFFERENT HOMES TO GIVE TO THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY. IT WAS VERY REWARDING. I ENDED UP CRYING. 
          IT WAS IT WAS SAD TO DO THAT, BUT IT WAS VERY REWARDING. AND I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN MARK AND VIENNA FOR HEADING THAT. AND NOW WE COME TO TWO ENTITIES. LAST NIGHT, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, WE HAD A ZONE MEETING. THERE WAS ABOUT 20 PEOPLE AND WE DIDN'T. WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE. WE HAVE A WE MADE IT AND THAT'S TWICE A MONTH ON THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. SO LET ME GO ON TO JUST SAY 1 OR 2 THINGS. ONE IS, PLEASE, WITH YOUR WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE HAD FOR THE FIRST TIME A MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS PROGRAM HERE IN THE FALCON ROOM RIGHT AFTER NOVEMBER 11TH PARADE. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME EVER ADDRESSING THE CHALLENGES THAT VETERANS HAVE. WE ARE NOW GOING TO HAVE THAT EVERY THREE MONTHS. AND I WELCOME THE CITY COUNCIL TO WORK WITH US AND GET TO A BETTER POINT. THE OTHER QUICK THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT THERE ARE IN OUR DISTRICT, THERE ARE 49 CLUBS, THE TWO C3 DISTRICT, THERE ARE ABOUT 1250 MEMBERS. FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HERE A MID-WINTER CONFERENCE, AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO FIND A PLACE. WE WERE CHOSEN AND ASKED IF WE COULD DO THIS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING, BUT I SAID YES AND IT WAS HARD FINDING A PLACE. IT WAS $480 FOR US TO RENT A PLACE FOR ONE DAY ON NEXT SATURDAY. SO FROM THERE I WAS VERY I TALKED TO MR. TOBIAS. HE MENTIONED DIFFERENT PLACES THAT WE COULD GO TO, BUT ALL OF IT COST A LOT OF MONEY. AND THEN FINALLY JOHNNY FLORES AND ESPERANZA OROZCO SUGGESTED THAT WE TALK TO THE SCHOOL. SO I THANK YOU, LAYMAN HIGH SCHOOL, FOR COMING TO OUR RESCUE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR EVENT THERE ON SATURDAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP I HAVE DEBORAH ANTHONY. WELL, I ALSO WANT TO WELCOME THE NEW CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE. AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO SPEAK HERE. SO WE'RE BOTH DOING FIRSTS TONIGHT. 
          I CAME HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANTED TO TALK FOR A MINUTE ABOUT THE EMINENT DOMAIN SITUATION IN KYLE. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. AND SO I SAW THAT THERE WERE SOME EMINENT DOMAIN THINGS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS DIRECTLY RELATES TO THAT OR NOT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE KYLE HAS BEEN GOING KIND OF EMINENT DOMAIN CRAZY HERE LATELY. IN THE LAST 
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YEAR OR SO, AND IT'S HURTING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BEEN DONE IN A WAY THAT THAT LEAVES THE PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING. SOMETHING POSITIVE. IT'S WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE WHATEVER MONEY YOU GET. AND UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A LAWYER AND I'M NOT SPEAKING JUST FOR MYSELF, I'M AN EMINENT DOMAIN SITUATION MYSELF. BUT THERE ARE NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH IT, AND SOME ARE STILL GOING THROUGH IT. AND I'M CONCERNED FOR ALL OF US, NOT JUST ME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE WALKED THROUGH. 
          THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT I THINK WARRANT THE CITY COUNCIL POSSIBLY CONSIDERING A PAUSE ON THE CURRENT EMINENT DOMAIN SITUATIONS SO THAT CERTAIN THINGS CAN BE INVESTIGATED. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SURVEY ISSUES THAT WERE INCORRECT AND. THERE HAVE BEEN LIES THAT WERE TOLD. 
          AND I'M TRYING. I DON'T WANT TO POINT ANY FINGERS AT ANYBODY SPECIFICALLY. SO I'M I'M PURPOSELY BEING A LITTLE BIT VAGUE HERE. THERE HAVE BEEN THERE'S BEEN BULLYING THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT THAT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES TO ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY GOING THROUGH THIS. THERE'S BEEN A REFUSAL TO NEGOTIATE FAIRLY, AND THE LANDOWNER'S BILL OF RIGHTS GIVES US THE RIGHT TO BE FAIRLY TREATED AND FAIRLY COMPENSATED. 
          AND THERE HAVE BEEN PROCEDURAL ISSUES, AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE LANDOWNER'S BILL OF RIGHTS IS SUPPOSED TO BE LISTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE, AND IT WASN'T. AND THAT'S APPARENTLY A PROCEDURAL VIOLATION. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS THE IN MY PERSONAL CASE, THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND THEY'RE GOING TO DEVASTATE MY PROPERTY WITH A WHOLE FOREST OF TREES 70FT WIDE AND 300FT LONG AND WITHOUT COMPENSATION FOR THAT. AND IT'S NOT FAIR. AND IT'S NOT JUST. AND SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT THE CITY CONSIDER LOOKING INTO THIS AND PAUSING IT. SO THESE KINDS OF THINGS CAN'T HAPPEN BEFORE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY ADDRESS THEM. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP I HAVE BETTY CONLEY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BETTY CONLEY AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE KYLE AREA SENIOR ZONE. I'M HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE A NEWSLETTER. IT'S CALLED THE ZONE. AND IN THE NEWSLETTER THERE'S TWO VERY IMPORTANT EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP. THE FIRST ONE IS OUR MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR DAY. IT WILL BE MONDAY THE JANUARY 19TH. IT STARTS AT 1 P.M. WE'LL HAVE EXHIBITS, KIDS ZONE, MOVIE GUEST SPEAKERS AND MORE. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU ATTEND AND A PERSONAL INVITATION TO EVERYBODY HERE. WE ARE ALSO HAVING YOU SAVE THE DATE. 
          FEBRUARY 3RD IS THE BIRTHDAY OF CAS. WE ARE 20 YEARS OLD ON FEBRUARY 3RD THANKS TO ADELE HEARST. ADELE HEARST IN 2006 IS THE FOUNDER OF THE CAL AREA SENIOR ZONE. WE WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE A SENIOR ZONE IF IT WAS NOT FOR HER. WE WANT TO CELEBRATE THIS IN A BIG WAY, SO WE INTEND TO HAVE EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. SO IF YOU COULD PICK UP A NEWSLETTER AND YOU CAN GET IT HERE AT CITY HALL, AND YOU CAN GET IT AT THE BUILDING, OR JUST ASK ANY OF US AND WE'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU TO LOOK UP THESE EVENTS AND ATTEND AND BE THERE FOR US AS THE SENIORS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT UP, I HAVE CYNTHIA BENTLEY. MY NAME IS CYNTHIA BENTLEY. I'M THE PROUD FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE NONPROFIT UNFORGETTABLE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR. I HAVE A BIG SMILE ON MY FACE SEEING THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNCIL WE HAVE AND OUR WONDERFUL MAYOR. UNFORGETTABLE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS IS THE PROUD RECIPIENT FOR THE THIRD YEAR OF THE OPERATION WARM. 
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SUBARU LOVES TO GIVE CITY LIMITS. SUBARU AND BUDDHA GRANT TO GIFT OUR UNHOUSED AND OUR ECONOMICALLY UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN BRAND NEW ATHLETIC SHOES AND COATS A GANG. THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR THERE HAVE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH WE HAVE BEEN DOING SO. THEY GAVE US THIS GRANT AGAIN ON JANUARY THE 29TH FROM 5 P.M. UNTIL 7 P.M. WE WILL BRING IN OVER 200 PAIRS OF ATHLETIC SHOES AND COATS TO GIVE TO OUR CHILDREN. THIS IS FOR OUR CHILDREN IN HAYS COUNTY ONLY, JUST THE BEAUTY AREA. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF YOU TO PARTICIPATE. WE NEED PLENTY, PLENTY LITTLE HANDS AND FEET FOR US TO BRING THESE COATS IN. AND THE HAYS COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT WILL BE THERE FOR FLU SHOTS. WE WILL HAVE DUTCH BROTHERS WITH HOT COCOA AND COOKIES FROM THE VFW. WE WILL HAVE BOOKS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR PROJECTS IS LITERACY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CHILDREN HAVE BOOKS IN THEIR HANDS TO READ. SO MARK THE CALENDAR JANUARY THE 29TH AT GEMSTONE PALACE IN A GANG FOR THE SECOND YEAR. GEMSTONE PALACE IS LETTING US USE THEIR FACILITIES AT NO CHARGE, SO KUDOS TO GEMSTONE PALACE AND COME OUT AND HELP US. WE WILL NEED VOLUNTEERS TO HELP US TO GET THE ITEMS FROM MORNING STAR STORAGE IN BUDA FOR ABOUT 230, BRING IT OVER TO GEMSTONE PALACE, UNPACK AND PUT ALL OF THE ITEMS OUT. LAST YEAR IT WAS A PHENOMENAL EVENT. WE HAD SO MANY TEARS AND JOY THANK YOUS FROM OUR CITIZENS SAYING THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, IT'S 85 DEGREES TODAY. WE DON'T NEED COATS, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW, AN HOUR. OUR WEATHER EXACTLY. IT'S WARM TODAY AND COLD TOMORROW, SO JUST MARK THAT DOWN. JANUARY THE 29TH, GEMSTONE PALACE, 5 P.M. TO 7 P.M. AND WE WILL BE THERE WITH CITY LIMITS SUBARU FOR THE THIRD YEAR. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE LARRY STAMPS. MADAM MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. 
          CONGRATULATIONS TO THE TOURIST. NEW NEW TOURIST OF YOU ALL. AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL. AND I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT. WE, THE PEOPLE OF KYLE, TEXAS ARE ASKING THE CITY. WILL YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON? I'M SORRY. I TRY. OKAY. IS IT ON NOW? YEAH. 
          THERE YOU GO. WHAT'D YOU DO TO IT? ARE YOU TRYING TO CUT ME OFF? HEY, RESTART THAT, WILL YOU? YOU WASTED SOME TIME THERE, SO WE'RE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO PLAN, APPROVE AND FUND A FULL AUDIT OF THE CITY'S BOOKS, DEPARTMENT'S FINANCIALS, AND ALL OTHER ASPECTS RELATING TO THE CITY GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENTAL BUSINESS DEALINGS AND OPERATIONS. THE CITY WOULD HIRE AN IMPARTIAL AUDITING FIRM THAT WOULD CONDUCT A FULL, THOROUGH AND INDEPENDENT STATUTORY AUDIT OF EVERY CITY, OFFICIAL CITY OFFICE, CITY DEPARTMENT, AND EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT HEAD TO INCLUDE ALL REVENUES, ALL EXPENDITURES, ALL FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THE CITY BUSINESS, EVERY CONTRACT AND AGREEMENT, ALL EMAILS AND ANY COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN ANY ANY CITY OFFICIAL OR DEPARTMENT HEAD, WHETHER ELECTED OR APPOINTED OR OTHERWISE EMPLOYED. 
          I HAD TO WRITE THIS TO MAKE SURE I GET IT ALL IN HERE. THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE AN AUDIT FIRM, THE AUDIT FIRM, FULL ACCESS OF ALL RECORDS DATING BACK TO JANUARY 1ST, 2015. AN AUDIT FIRM WHO HAS A CERTIFIED FRAUD EXAMINERS SHOULD BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED BY THE CITY, AND THAT FIRM SHOULD ALSO BE EXPERIENCED IN CONDUCTING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AUDITS. 
          A COMPLETE AUDIT WILL LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED AND NO RECORD, DOCUMENT, TRANSACTION OR COMMUNICATION LEFT UNCHECKED. WITHOUT A FAIR EVALUATION. UPON CONCLUSION OF THE AUDIT, THE RESULTS WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC, INCLUDING ANY DISCREPANCIES OR IMPROPRIETIES FOUND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANY ALLEGED CRIMINAL MISCONDUCT. ONE, ONE OR MORE. IF ONE OR MORE RED FLAGS ARE FOUND, THE SHERIFF OF HAYS COUNTY WOULD BE NOTIFIED TO ASSIST IN THE INQUIRY SHOULD THE SHERIFF DECLINE TO PARTICIPATE. THE DIRECTOR OF THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD BE NOTIFIED AS WELL. OUR TAXPAYING CITIZENS DESERVE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY AND FULL ACCOUNTABILITY OF WHAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY, AND WE ALSO DESERVE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR 
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ANYONE WHO COMMITTED WRONGDOINGS AND HOLD THOSE PERPETRATORS RESPONSIBLE. THIS AUDIT SHOULD BE CONDUCTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THEREFORE, PLEASE ADD THIS REQUEST TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL DATED FOR JANUARY 20TH, 2026, SO THAT THE PROCESS OF AN AUDIT CAN IMMEDIATELY BEGIN BEGIN. ONE FINAL NOTE ANY PAST OR CURRENT CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR DEPARTMENT HEAD, OR ANY OTHER PERSON WHO MAY OBJECT TO OR OTHERWISE RESIST THIS AUDIT WOULD COULD BE PRESUMED THAT THE OBJECTING PERSON MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH QUESTIONABLE TRANSACTION OR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY DURING THEIR TENURE OR BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY OF OF. KYLE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TOPIC. AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT WE HAVE VICTOR ALLEN. AND APOLOGIES IF I SAID THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IAN, BUT I KNOW YOU. GOOD EVENING. 
          MY VOICE HOLDS OUT. MY NAME IS VIC ALLEN I LIVE IN SIXTH STREET. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE NEW MEMBERS. IT'S NICE TO SEE FRESH FACES. I WANT TO BRING THE COUNCIL'S SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          SPECIFICALLY, I'M REFERRING TO THE PRESENTATION, WHICH IS ON VIDEO, AND YOU CAN STREAM IT BECAUSE I'VE WRITTEN IT ALL DOWN BY ANGIE FLORES, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF F TELUS. IN IT, SHE GOES THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY EXPLANATION OF HOW SHE ARRIVED IN THE PROCESS. SHE ARRIVED AT IN CITY AND OUT CITY RATES. SO I WILL QUOTE HER BECAUSE I WROTE IT ALL DOWN OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS. OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT, CUSTOMERS CAN APPEAL RATES DIRECTLY TO THE PUC. AND BECAUSE OF THIS, WE CONSIDER THIS. WE CONSIDER THEM NON-OWNERS, WHICH MEANS THE CITY HAS A RIGHT TO A RATE OF RETURN, AND THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE RISK YOU TAKE. 
          SERVING THOSE OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT CUSTOMERS. HISTORICALLY, THE WAY THE CITY HAS. CITIES HAVE CHARGED CUSTOMERS IS THROUGH A DIFFERENTIAL AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS, THAT'S HOW CITIES CHARGE CUSTOMERS. AND WHEN WE DID THE STUDY LAST YEAR, THERE WAS AN IMPORTANT RATE CASE BEING CONSIDERED BY THE PCP, AND IT WAS FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER. SO AND YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO FALL OUT OF YOUR CHAIR BECAUSE WE WERE AWAITING THE DECISION OF THIS IMPORTANT RATE STUDY, WE AWAITED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT THE PUC RULED, AND WHATEVER THEY DID WAS IN LINE WITH THE WAY WE ARE RULING. 
          AGAIN, DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOUR CUSTOMERS COULD APPEAL YOUR RATES, WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD FOUNDATION AND A GOOD BASIS TO HOW WE CALCULATE THEIR RATES, SO WE HAVE TO DO WE HAVE THAT RATE STUDY FROM THE PUC TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS CORRECT. 
          THE PUC RULED IN FAVOR OF THE CITY OF LEANDER, WHICH WAS POSITIVE, WHICH WAS A GOOD THING. BUT AS WE'VE CALCULATED RATES, IT'S BASED ON THAT RULING. OKAY, ANYBODY HAVE THEIR LAW DEGREE OR ANYBODY? I'VE BEEN A REAL ESTATE. THE ERROR OF OMISSION GET IT. THE ERROR OF OMISSION. ON JANUARY 25TH, I BELIEVE I'M RIGHT. PART SEVEN PRESIDENTIAL SUPPORT THE PUC. DOCKET NUMBER 53063 OF LEANDER. PART 27, THE PUC DOCKET 553063 DATED JANUARY 31ST. THE COMMISSION AFFIRMED THAT THE CITY MUST HONOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRES THE CITY RATE TREATMENT FOR THE SPECIFIC ETJ CUSTOMERS, EVEN WHEN THE CITY IMPOSED OUTSIDE CITY SURCHARGES. GENERALLY, THIS ORDER RECOGNIZED THAT CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS REQUIRING PROVISIONS OF THE CITY IN THE SAME MANNER IN THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS. SIMILARLY, SITUATED RETAIL CUSTOMERS MADE ITS CORPORATE LIMITS. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY RULED ON IT. SHE DIDN'T TELL YOU? I'M DONE. YOU WENT ON BAD. SO CITY COUNCIL GETS THEIR OPINIONS BASED ON INFORMATION THAT'S NOT FULLY GIVEN TO YOU. AND THAT'S THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE THAT ARE YOU REALLY BEING INFORMED TO THE TO THE TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE INFORMED, OR ARE YOU BEING MISLED? THANK YOU. NEXT, I HAVE LARRY GORELICK. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, CONGRATULATIONS. GLAD TO SEE NEW FACES ON THE ON THE DICE. 
          I'M HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO PLACE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR OPEN DISCUSSION OF A NARROW BUT 
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SERIOUS ISSUE WHY THE CITY HAS FAILED TO FOLLOW THE PLAIN LANGUAGE TERMS OF THE SIX CREEKS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND THE CITY'S OWN BOND DISCLOSURES REGARDING RATE PARITY. TEXAS LAW IS CLEAR. CONTRACTS ARE INTERPRETED BY THEIR PLAIN MEANING, READ AS A WHOLE, WITHOUT REWRITING TERMS AFTER THE FACT. COURTS DO NOT ASK WHAT A PARTY WISHES IT HAD SAID. THEY ENFORCE WHAT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN AND AGREED TO. THE RULES EXISTED FOR BOTH GOVERNMENT AND THE CITIZENS TO PROTECT BOTH GOVERNMENTS AND THE CITIZENS. THE SIX CREEKS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STATES, WITHOUT AMBIGUITY, THAT WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE SAME MANNER AND ON THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS AS SERVICE TO SIMILARLY SITUATED CUSTOMERS INSIDE THE CITY'S CORPORATE LIMITS. INSIDE THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT UNUSUAL. IT IS A RECOGNIZED FORM OF CONTRACT, CONTRACTUAL RATE PARITY, AND IT MIRRORS LANGUAGE REPEATEDLY UPHELD BY TEXAS COURTS IN THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS, THE CITY REAFFIRMED THE SAME REPRESENTATIONS TO THE BOND MARKET IN MULTIPLE PAID OFFERINGS. THE CITY TOLD INVESTORS VERBATIM THAT STANDARD IN CITY WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES WOULD APPLY TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THAT SERVICE WOULD BE NONDISCRIMINATORY AND CONSISTENT WITHIN CITY POLICIES. THOSE DISCLOSURES WERE RELIED UPON BY INVESTORS, RATING AGENCIES, AND RESIDENTS. DESPITE THIS, RESIDENTS ARE BEING CHARGED OUTSIDE CITY RATES BASED NOT ON CONTRACT LANGUAGE, BUT ON A FAILURE OF THE CITY TO PROPERLY ASSIGN SIX CREEKS CUSTOMERS A UTILITY CLASSIFICATION INDICATING IN CITY RATES THAT PUTS THE CITY IN LEGAL JEOPARDY. TEXAS PRECEDENT IS CLEAR THAT COST OF SERVICE ARGUMENTS DO NOT OVERRIDE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, AND THAT REGULATORY BODIES WILL ENFORCE THE RATES A CITY SHOULD HAVE CHARGED WHEN CLASSIFICATION VIOLATIONS VIOLATES GOVERNING AGREEMENTS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BLAME. THIS IS ABOUT GOVERNMENTS. THIS THIS COUNCIL INHERITED THIS ISSUE, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CORRECT IT. WE ARE ASKING FOR A PUBLIC AGENDA ITEM SO THAT THE CITY CAN EXPLAIN WHY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PLAIN, WHY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS PLAIN LANGUAGE IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED, WHY BOND DISCLOSURES STATING ENTITY PARITY WERE DISREGARDED, AND WHAT CORRECTIVE ACTION IS NECESSARY TO AVOID LITIGATION, REGULATORY ENFORCEMENT AND FUTURE BOND RISK. RESPECTFULLY HONORING THE CITY'S WRITTEN COMMITMENTS IS THE LEAST COSTLY, MOST LAWFUL PATH FORWARD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT, I HAVE STEPHANIE MCDONALD. GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY CONGRATULATING OUR FOUR NEWLY APPOINTED MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MANY CITIZENS HAVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED WITH ACTIONS OF THE PREVIOUS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS COUNCIL SETTING KYLE BACK ON THE RIGHT PATH. I WAS DISMAYED WHEN ONLY TWO OF SEVEN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ATTENDED THE SPECIAL MEETING TO CANVASS THE VOTE AFTER THE RUNOFF. THIS WAS FOR THE THE ELECTION THAT MAYOR FLORES AND DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER GARZA WON AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. WHEN DISCUSSING THE ANIMAL SHELTER, COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY STATED, WE'RE HERE TO DO OUR JOB. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS STATED THE COUNCIL NEEDED TO SHOW LEADERSHIP. I WAS APPALLED THAT NEITHER OF THEM SHOWED UP TO DO THEIR JOB AND TO SHOW LEADERSHIP TO CANVASS THE VOTE. 
          ONLY TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WERE HERE. THERE'S BEEN TALK AROUND THE CITY THAT FORMER MAYOR TRAVIS MITCHELL IS GOING TO WORK WITH. AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN EMPLOYEE OR CONSULTANT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S TRUE. BUT IF IN FACT IT IS TRUE, I WOULD ASK THAT ALL PRIOR ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL INVOLVING AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT BE EXAMINED TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND IF THESE ARE LEGAL AND BINDING. I ASK THE COUNCIL TO OBTAIN AN ITEMIZED LIST OF ALL PAYMENTS PRIOR AND FUTURE, IF HE IS IN FACT WORKING FOR AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT ALARM BELLS, ALARM BELLS SHOULD BE GOING OFF. THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE EXCESSIVE USE OF ROUNDABOUTS COMING. AND WHY WOULD HE NOT HAVE RECUSED HIMSELF AT COUNCIL MEETINGS DURING AGENDA ITEMS INVOLVING AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT? AT SOME POINT THIS FALL, I NOTICED A PATTERN OF NOT SHOWING UP FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS OR LEAVING DURING MEETINGS BEFORE AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT AGENDA ITEMS WERE PRESENTED. I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT THE OCTOBER 21ST COUNCIL MEETING. A RECUSAL WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT THAN I HAVE TO GO HOME AND BE WITH MY CHILDREN. 
          PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. WHY DID THE NAME OF THE SENIOR CENTER 
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CHANGE THE COMMUNITY CENTER? PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE CALLED THE ADELE HURST SENIOR CENTER. 
          AGENDA ITEM 17, 18 AND 21. THIS INVOLVES THE CREDIT CARDS, CITY EXPENSES AND COUNCIL MEMBER EXPENSES, AND CITY CREDIT CARDS. THERE HAS BEEN A LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND COUNCIL SPENDING. WE'VE SEEN AS MUCH AS TEN TIMES AN ALLOWABLE AMOUNT FOR HOTEL ROOMS. LACK OF DOCUMENTATION. ET CETERA. ET CETERA, ET CETERA. PLEASE ALSO LOOK INTO THE STIPENDS THAT ARE BEING GIVEN TO THE EXECUTIVES LEADERSHIP. HOUSING STIPENDS, CAR STIPENDS. IT'S AN OVERCOMPENSATION ON ITEM 17. I DON'T KNOW WHY CREDIT CARDS WOULD BE NEEDED FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT THOSE. IF YOU CAN MOVE THOSE THREE ITEMS TO THE TOP OF THE DISCUSSION, I'D APPRECIATE IT. I'M NOT REALLY GOING TO DISCUSS THE WATER RATES FOR THE ETJ THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT ALSO THE STAGECOACH POCKET PARK. THE MOVING THE TREE IS $1 MILLION. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO LIVE. IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 200,000 FOR 24 MONTHS TO SEE IF WE CAN GET IT. TO MAKE IT, WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND DRIVE PAST IT $600,000. IT'S NOT A PARK. IT'S NOT EVEN A POCKET PARK. THERE'S NO TRAILS. 
          MAYBE A PATH. WE COULD SAVE $600,000 BY JUST LETTING IT HAVE THE TREE WITH THE OTHER TREES THAT WERE THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT, I HAVE ALICIA HILL. IS ALICIA OR ELISA. OKAY, ALICIA. MY APOLOGIES. GOOD EVENING, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEWLY ELECTED MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ALICIA HILL. I LIVE JUST OUTSIDE OF KYLE CITY LIMITS HERE IN HAYS COUNTY. WHILE I DIDN'T GET TO VOTE ON THE CITY ELECTIONS, THOSE OF US WHO LIVE JUST OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS ARE STILL DEEPLY IMPACTED BY THE DECISIONS MADE IN THIS ROOM. I AM A HOMEOWNER, A PARENT, A HOMESCHOOLER, A TAXPAYER. I AM THE HAYS COUNTY CHAIR FOR MOMS FOR LIBERTY AND ONE OF MANY REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY. AS A REALTOR, I AM NOT ONLY HELPING PEOPLE BUY, SELL, AND LEASE HOMES HERE, I AM ALSO PROMOTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE KYLE HAS TO OFFER. UNFORTUNATELY, THE QUALITY OF THAT LIFE IS DECLINING EVEN AMID RECORD GROWTH. WE HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED TRAFFIC CONGESTION, DETERIORATING ROADS, RISING PROPERTY TAXES. WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING PROBLEM. WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM. IT IS HEARTBREAKING WHEN A HOMEOWNER CALLS ME TO SELL THEIR HOME NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MOVE, BUT BECAUSE THEY CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TAXES ON A HOME THEY WORKED HARD FOR NOW, AS SOME NEIGHBORHOODS EXPERIENCING WATER BILL INCREASES UP TO 77%, THAT FINANCIAL STRAIN IS BECOMING EVEN MORE SEVERE AND THIS NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY. I CHALLENGE EACH OF YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COLLECTIVE, NOT DRIVEN BY PARTY LINES. I CHALLENGE YOU TO SET ASIDE EGOS, APPLY COMMON SENSE AND CRITICAL THINKING, AND DO THE WORK REQUIRED RESPONSIBLY TO IMPROVE THE CITY OF KYLE. AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO ENGAGE IN HONEST, MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS TO RESOLVE PAST WHERE NEEDED, TO RESOLVE PAST WHERE NEEDED, OR TO LET IT GO WHERE NECESSARY. 
          WITH NEW LEADERSHIP, NEW TERMS, AND NEW ENERGY COMES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A RESET. I ASK YOU TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY SERIOUSLY. WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE, ENSURE THAT IT BENEFITS ALL RESIDENTS, NOT THOSE IN THE CITY LIMITS. PLEASE DON'T FORGET THOSE OF US IN THE COUNTY WHO ARE ALSO AFFECTED BY YOUR DECISIONS. TRANSPARENCY IS NOT OPTIONAL. IT IS FOUNDATIONAL TO TRUST, AND TRUST IS ESSENTIAL IF KYLE IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER. 
          MY CHALLENGE IS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. NEW AND RETURNING MEMBERS ALIKE IS SIMPLE. COMMIT TO GOVERNING FOR EVERYONE, NOT FOR PARTY IDEOLOGY, NOT FOR PERSONAL GAIN, NOT FOR POLITICAL ALIGNMENT, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE WITH THE OUTCOMES OF THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE TO THE NEWLY ELECTED MAYOR. SORRY, THE NEWLY ELECTED MAYOR. CONGRATULATIONS. THIS ROLE CARRIES A RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD AN ENTIRE CITY. YOU HAVE SUPPORTERS, CRITICS, AND THOSE OF US WHO SIMPLY WANT THE CITY TO FUNCTION WELL. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE TONE, TO PRIORITIZE UNITY, FAIRNESS, AND TRUST. KYLE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE GOLD STANDARD AND LEAD BY EXAMPLE TO PROVE THAT GROWTH DOESN'T MEAN DIVISION. DISAGREEMENT DOESN'T MEAN DYSFUNCTION. I BELIEVE KYLE CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER IF WE CHOOSE TRANSPARENCY, COOPERATION, CLARITY AND INTEGRITY OVER CONFLICT. LEADERSHIP ISN'T PROVEN BY THOSE WHO WON AN ELECTION. IT'S PROVEN HOW WELL WE GOVERN. TRUST IS BUILT WHEN TRANSPARENCY IS PRACTICED, CONSISTENT, CONSISTENTLY, AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. NEXT UP I HAVE JACOB FELTZ. 
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GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I AM HERE TODAY. I WORK, I WORK WITH RANDSTAD. WE ACTUALLY PROVIDE GLOBAL STAFFING SOLUTIONS. WE'RE BASED ALL OVER TEXAS. SO MY JOB IS THE DIRECT DIRECTOR FOR RECRUITING STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS FOR OUR MAJOR METROS IN AUSTIN, DALLAS, HOUSTON. SO THE MAIN REASON WHY I'M HERE TODAY. SO WE EMPLOY OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THE GREATER AUSTIN AREA. SO WE STAFF WAREHOUSES MAINLY FOR BLUE COLLAR POSITIONS. AND SO WE'RE EXPANDING OUR BLUEPRINT OUT TO THE KYLE AREA. SO WE WORK WITH SEVERAL WAREHOUSES THAT ARE HERE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA THAT DO DISTRIBUTION FOR ELECTRICAL CAR, CAR PART COMPONENTS. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE BLUE COLLAR SPACE TO ASSIST WITH FINDING THEM, THE RIGHT TYPE OF JOBS TO FILL THESE WAREHOUSE OPENINGS. I KNOW WE LIVE IN A DIGITAL AGE RIGHT NOW, SO WE HAVE A DIGITAL APP BASED PLATFORM THAT HELPS THESE LOCAL JOB SEEKERS FIND JOBS EASIER. AND SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME, GET SOME MORE PEOPLE TO WORK AND HELP FIND THEM, FIND THEM SOME JOB OPPORTUNITIES. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP I HAVE HOWARD CONNELL. WELL. MAYOR WAITING THREE YEARS TO SAY THAT. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU LADIES. YOU'RE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR, BELIEVE ME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE, YOUR HARD WORK. YOU GOT A TOUGH JOB AHEAD. SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREDIT CARDS AND AIRING OUR DIRTY LAUNDRY. WHATEVER, I'M GOING TO TELL A LITTLE STORY THAT I HAD TO LIVE. AND IT GOES TO. IT GOES TO ME CALLING THE CITY CORRUPT. CORRUPT TO THE CORE CORRUPT BECAUSE PEOPLE CHOSE TO BE CORRUPT AND NOT FOLLOW THE RULES. SO HERE'S MY LITTLE STORY. I QUESTIONED A BUNDLE OF CREDIT CARD RECEIPTS TURNED IN AS A CITY BUSINESS EXPENSE. I QUESTIONED THE LEGITIMACY OF THOSE CHARGES. I CONFRONTED THE CITY SECRETARY AND THE CITY MANAGER ASKING TO EXPLAIN HOW THESE COMPLY WITH THE CITY CREDIT CARD POLICY. WHY ISN'T A POLICY BEING ENFORCED? WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANSWERS? THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE BEEN OF NO HELP IN HELPING GET THESE ANSWERS. THE CITY MANAGER WOULD NOT ACCOMMODATE MY REQUEST TO ARRANGE A MEETING WITH THE CARD USER. THE CITY MANAGER'S ONLY RESPONSE WAS, QUOTE, GO TO THE CARD USER. ASK HIM. THE CARD USER WAS CONFRONTED. HIS REPLY WAS VIA A MESSAGE TO ANOTHER COUNCIL PERSON. I'LL DRIVE YOU TO THE NEAREST POLICE STATION OR FBI. 
          YOU CAN FILE YOUR CLAIM THERE. THAT WAS THE ANSWER GIVEN IN LIEU OF THE QUESTIONS IN THE POLICY ABOUT NECESSARY REQUIRED CITY BENEFIT AND A CITY PURPOSE. THAT'S THE ANSWER I GOT. I'LL DRIVE YOU TO THE FBI. AND TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE. THE EX-MAYOR AND CITY AND CITY MANAGER BOTH REFUSED MY CALL TO SCRUTINIZE THESE BOGUS BUSINESS EXPENSES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED DURING THE PAST THREE YEARS. AND I CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO REFUTE ANYTHING I'VE SAID BECAUSE I'VE GOT ALL THE RECORDS AND THE EMAILS, AND I HAVE THE PEOPLE COME OVER HERE TONIGHT TO BACK UP THAT STORY. YOU CHOOSE NOT TO FOLLOW THE ORDERS. BRIAN LANGLEY TOLD ME THAT HE FOLLOWS THE POLICY. WELL, IF HE FOLLOWED THE POLICY, WHERE WERE THE ANSWERS THAT CAME FROM? THE POLICY? THE QUESTION CAME FROM THE POLICY. THAT'S WHEN I CALLED. IT WAS CORRUPT. WHEN I WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WENT TO EVERYBODY, AND I KNEW I WOULDN'T GET A RESPONSE. I WENT TO EVERYBODY KNOWING THAT, BUT I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SAY I, I TOLD HIM, I SAID, DON'T LET IT BE SAID THAT YOU KNEW AND YOU DID NOTHING. WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED. THEY KNEW AND DID NOTHING. AND THANK YOU, LADIES, FOR BEING HERE IN THE NEW COUNCIL. I HOPE YOU'LL WORK TOGETHER AND CLEAN THIS MESS UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. 
          UP NEXT WE HAVE WALT SMITH, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, CONGRATULATIONS ON ON YOUR SEATING AND YOUR ELECTION. I CAN'T WAIT TO WORK WITH YOU ALL. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HERE ON THE COUNCIL, I AM WALT SMITH. I REPRESENT PRECINCT FOUR FOR HAYS COUNTY. I ACTUALLY REPRESENTED A LARGE PORTION OF THE CITY OF KYLE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UNTIL REDISTRICTING IN 2021. ALL OF HOMETOWN KYLE, 
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MOST OF THAT SIDE OF TOWN. I JUST WANT TO PUT SOME CLARIFICATION AND TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE. AT LEAST I HOPE YOU ALL WILL BE CONSIDERING NEXT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. AND WE CONSIDERED THIS MEETING. WE OUT OF OUT OF RESPECT FOR YOU ALL. 
          WE DELAYED OUR DECISION ON A PET RESOURCE CENTER UNTIL TODAY. I'M PROUD TO TELL YOU THAT THE MEMBER WHO USED TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF KYLE AND THE THREE MEMBERS OF OUR COURT, WHO ACTUALLY DO CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF KYLE, ALL VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BOTH Y'ALL AND THE CITY OF BUTTE ON THE ISLA, I CAN TELL YOU FOR US, THIS IS A LONG TERM DECISION. AND AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COURT, BUT I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF. FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, I'VE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE PET RESOURCE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY. 
          WE'RE OPERATING UNDER A SHORT TIMELINE, KNOWING THAT OUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS IS EXPIRING. I WILL TELL YOU THAT STATUTORILY, THE COUNTY IS NOT OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING ON ANIMAL CONTROL IN THIS STATE. WE WE ARE DOING THIS, AND WE HAVE BEEN A PARTNER WITH ALL OF OUR ENTITIES OUT THERE FOR YEARS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IN REVIEWING HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, WE DID A HARD RESET IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR BACK ON MARCH 25TH, AND BECAUSE THE THE PATH THAT WE WERE MOVING DOW&, WE HEARD FROM NUMEROUS ANIMAL ADVOCATE GROUPS AS WELL AS CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE A PART OF THE PROCESS AND THE OVERALL COST WAS GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY DETRIMENTAL TO BOTH THE COUNTY AND OUR INDIVIDUAL FACILITY AND OUR INDIVIDUAL MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY. AND SO WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS. WE LOOKED AT THOSE OPTIONS OF HAVING OUR OWN STANDALONE FACILITY OR WORKING DIRECTLY WITH OUR MUNICIPALITIES AND THOSE ANIMAL ADVOCACY GROUPS. AND WHAT WOULD THOSE COST SAVINGS BE, AND HOW WOULD WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROCESS? WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE WAS WE WOULD HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SAVINGS AT BOTH THE LOCAL MUNICIPAL LEVEL AND AT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AND WE WOULD HAVE A HIGHER, A HIGHER SERVICE RATE IF WE HAD A UNIFIED SYSTEM WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THOSE ANIMAL ADVOCATE PARTNERS AND THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES. AND THAT'S WHAT THE ISLA DOES. AND AGAIN, I AM NOT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO HELPED NEGOTIATE THAT OR WORK ON THAT ISLA WITH THE CITY. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE REVIEWED IT MYSELF. I'VE PAID ATTENTION TO IT FOR SEVEN YEARS. IT HAS BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE FOR FOR BOTH ME AND ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF OUR COURT. AND I WOULD JUST I WOULD ASK THAT IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO MYSELF OR ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT REPRESENT THE CITY OF KYLE, AND WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ELECTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS FORMS I HAVE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE BE MAKE SURE YOU STATE YOUR NAME. AND THEN IF YOU CAN FILL OUT A FORM, THAT'D BE GREAT. MY NAME IS STEVEN COOK, RESIDENT OF KYLE, TEXAS. AND I'LL BE HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE VFW, SINCE WE HAVE CASS, UNFORGETTABLE FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND LIONS CLUB, ALL GREAT ORGANIZATIONS, WE ALL PARTNER TOGETHER AND DO GOOD THINGS IN THE CITY. THE VFW HAS CURRENTLY PARTNERED WITH THE RED CROSS. WE CAN OFFICIALLY SAY THAT WE'LL BE ROLLING OUT A ERV EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLE TO RESPOND TO DISASTERS WITHIN OUR CITY AND ABROAD. THIS VEHICLE CURRENTLY IS BEING DESIGNED AND WRAPPED AND OUTFITTED. WE'VE RESPONDED TO NINE FIRES SO FAR, ONE BEING HERE IN THE CITY OF KYLE, SHOWED UP WITH SUPPLIES AND ABLE TO OFFER ASSISTANCE FIRST ON BEHALF OF THE RED CROSS AND THEN ON BEHALF OF WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER AT THE VFW. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROGRAM. AMAZING THINGS. TALKING ABOUT ADELE HEARST, PATTY HEARST CAME TO THE VFW, AND WALLY BLOODWORTH, WORLD WAR TWO VETERAN, WHEN I JOINED THE VDF. WE CELEBRATE 20 YEARS AS WELL. THIS YEAR, WALLY BLOODWORTH, WORLD WAR TWO VETERAN, WAS ONE OF THE FIRST GUYS I MET AT THE VFW. SO WE HAVE SOME MUSEUM QUALITY PIECES THAT SHE DONATED, WHICH I'M BLESSED TO HAVE AT VFW. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME SEE THEM, THEY'LL BE READILY AVAILABLE AGAIN WITH PETE KRUG AND ALL THE AMAZING PEOPLE. RICK GRILL, I COULD GO ON AND ON. OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THIS CITY FROM ACROSS THE STREET TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. WE JUST LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SERVE AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. YOU HEARD ABOUT SUICIDE. YOU HEARD ABOUT PROGRAMS, MENTAL HEALTH. EVERYONE HAS SOMETHING TO OFFER, 
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AND THEY'RE ALL GREAT AND EVERYONE'S GOT TO FIND THEIR NICHE. NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME TO THE VFW. NOT EVERYBODY MAY WANT TO GO LIONS CLUB. NOT EVERYBODY MAY WANT TO GO TO CASS. BUT I AM COMING FOR GAME NIGHT. I SAW THAT THERE TODAY. BUT. AND SERVICE DOGS. THIS IS GUPPY, MY BATTLE BUDDY. SHE PROVIDES ME WHAT I NEED TO STAY UPRIGHT ON THIS EARTH. SO THERE ARE MANY OUTFITS AND MANY ORGANIZATIONS. AND WE'RE DOING FISHING RIGHT NOW. WE WENT OUT TODAY. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT THREE YEARS. TAKING VETERANS. NEVER BEEN SKUNKED. I GOT SKUNKED TODAY, SO IT WAS VERY GUPPY HAD A GREAT TIME. SHE'S BEEN OUT IN THE HEAT, BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, WE DO IT BECAUSE WE WE WANT TO HELP AND GIVE BACK. AND THAT'S WHAT ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND OUR CITY SHOWS. WE'VE BEEN AN HOUR IN THE CITY CITIZEN COMMENTS. THAT MEANS OUR CITY CARES AND WANTS TO TALK TO Y'ALL. SO I GOT 11 SECONDS. CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYBODY. I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN TO CLAUDIA. I'M GONNA GET YOU OUT THERE. IT'S OPEN INVITATION, SO HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NEIL BREEN. I HAD A WHOLE SPEECH WRITTEN, BUT A LOT OF THE WORDS WERE TAKEN OUT OF MY MOUTH THIS EVENING. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE THING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD MENTIONED. AND THAT IS HOW THIS COUNCIL WILL APPROACH BUSINESS OWNERSHIP IN THE FUTURE. IT'S LONG BEEN THE M.O. OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THIS ROOM IN THE PAST TO RAISE THE BAR FOR BUSINESS OWNERSHIP, ONLY TO OPEN THE GATE FOR NATIONAL BRANDS AND CORPORATE INTERESTS. I'M ASKING THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, AND ESPECIALLY PROSPECTIVE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, BE GRANTED AN EQUAL SEAT AT THE TABLE. WE'VE SEEN PLANNED COMMUNITIES AND LARGE NATIONAL BRANDS ENTER OUR CITY ONLY TO SHUTTER THEIR DOOR WITHIN A YEAR. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE RESULT OF THE THE OLD ADAGE, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT TO BE SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC PRINCIPLE, BUT THEY NEGLECT TO CONSIDER THAT. IT'S JUST A QUOTE FROM A KEVIN COSTNER MOVIE, FIELD OF DREAMS. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THAT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS GET AN EQUAL SEAT AT THE TABLE. WE RETURN CHARM TO THE CITY OF KYLE, AND WE FILL UP THE PARKING SPACES ON THAT STREET. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. AND PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU STATE YOUR NAME. MY NAME IS LORI RYAN. AND I WANTED TO SAY I DIDN'T THINK MY VOTES WOULD COUNT, ESPECIALLY FROM LIVING HERE FOR SO MANY YEARS. AND VOTES HAVE BEEN DISPOSED OF, THROWN AWAY, PUT TO THE SIDE AND WHO KNOWS WHERE THEY WENT. BUT MY DREAM CAME TRUE FOR TWO SPECIFIC WOMEN, AND I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU. BUT YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT. SECOND, I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT MY PAST, HOW I GREW UP. MR. BRIAN LANGLEY, WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I GREW UP IN THE OFFICE SITTING AROUND. COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS US? THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. YOU CAN. YOU CAN TALK TO US. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. I WAS I WAS HAPPY TO PLAY IN THE OFFICE OF BUSH SENIOR. THE GUY WHO WORE THE FIRE HAT FOR ANHEUSER-BUSCH BECAUSE OF WHO MY FATHER WAS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT HE TOLD ME ONE DAY? HE SAID, RYAN, YOU WANT TO BE AN EXECUTIVE, ONE DAY YOU WANT TO BE A BUSINESS GUY. YOU CAN'T JUST WEAR A SUIT AND EXPECT TO BE A BUSINESS GUY OR BE A LEADER. YOU HAVE TO BE A LEADER FIRST. YOU CAN'T JUST PUT ON A TIE AND SUIT AND PLAY GAMES AND RUN A CITY LIKE IT'S A GAME. YOU HAVE TO BE AN EXECUTIVE. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE A STAND UP BUSINESSMAN. YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. MR. LANGLEY, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO CLOSE CITIZENS COMMENTS. AND FOR THOSE WHO SPOKE, IF YOU COULD KINDLY JUST 
          [IV) Agenda Order]
FILL OUT A FORM, THAT'D BE GREAT. ALL RIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE AGENDA ORDER PER RULES OF COUNCIL. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AROUND? OKAY, I AM GOING TO OPEN WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A SUGGESTION FOR THE LAST. I THINK THERE WAS 2 OR 3 TO BE MOVED UP BY SPEAKER. IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO MOVING THOSE UP? WHICH ITEM SPECIFICALLY? I MEANT TO WRITE DOWN WHICH ONES THEY WERE. I DIDN'T CATCH IT. I THINK SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL ITEMS. IT WAS 17, 18 AND 21. OKAY. 17, 18 AND 21. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE 
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JUST KIND OF LUMP 17 AND 18 TOGETHER. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY. SO IF WE LUMP 17 AND 18 TOGETHER AND THEN WE MOVE UP 21 AS WELL. IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THAT? NO. OKAY. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY WHAT OUR COUNCIL HAS DONE IS THEY'VE MOVED IT LIKE AFTER CONSENT AFTER OTHER THINGS. IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO MOVING IT UP FIRST IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO LEAVE? NO OBJECTIONS ON MY END. WELL, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, WAS ANYBODY GOING TO PULL ANYTHING FROM CONSENT? OH GOOD QUESTION. WELL, LET'S FINISH THE AGENDA ORDER. AND IF WE ARE OKAY MOVING IT AFTER CONSENT, THEN I THINK CONSENT MAY GO BY PRETTY FAST. AND SO WE CAN PUT IT ABOVE CONSIDER AND POSSIBLE ACTION. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. 
          DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE UP NEXT WE HAVE THE 
          [V) Consent Agenda]
CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PULL ANY FOR DETAIL. OKAY I DO I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FIVE FOR MYSELF. AND NUMBER SIX. AND NUMBER SEVEN. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE WOULD. 
          APPROVE THREE FOR THREE AND FOUR. MAYOR I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS THREE AND FOUR. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY I. I OPPOSED THAT MOTION 
          [5) Consider approval of Task Order No. 15 with HDR, Inc. for construction inspection services of the Kyle Community Center construction project in the amount of $148,282.00.]
PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT, SO I JUST HAVE A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS FOR NUMBER FIVE. CAN YOU READ OUT THE ITEM YOU. ABSOLUTELY. YES. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF TASK ORDER NUMBER 15 WITH HDR. COM INC FOR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION SERVICES OF THIS, THE KYLE COMMUNITY CENTER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND THE AMOUNT OF 148,282. SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT WILL THE JOB OF THIS CONTRACT COVER. SO THIS IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION CURRENTLY UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. WE HAVE AN INSPECTION DIVISION, BUT THE INTERNAL STAFF ONLY HAVE EXPERTISE IN HORIZONTAL PROJECT THAT INCLUDING WATER WASTEWATER TYPE OF PROJECT, ROAD TYPE OF PROJECT. WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE INTERNAL EXPERTISE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE CALL VERTICAL. ANY BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, SINCE THERE ARE QUESTION THAT BEING ASKED ABOUT THE BUILDING INSPECTORS. SO BUILDING INSPECTOR RESIDE WITHIN THE BUILDING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. THEIR JOB IS TO INSPECT DURING CONSTRUCTION A MILESTONE AND ALSO FINAL COMPLETION TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CODE. HOWEVER, THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR, THEY'RE MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS BUILT ACCORDING ACCORDING TO THE PLANS AND SPECS. SO THEY, THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR, WOULD DIRECTLY WORK WITH THE PROJECT MANAGER AND THE ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THE QUALITY WORK HAS BEEN DELIVERED AND THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE CONTRACTOR AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE ARCHITECT, AND ALSO THEY WILL LET US KNOW. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY CODE VIOLATIONS AND ANY ISSUES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO THEY COVER DIFFERENT AREAS. AND ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS, THEY WILL HELP US PROCESS PAY WELL, THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS. REVIEWING PAY APPS CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO BOTH ENGINEERS AND INSPECTORS AND PROJECT MANAGERS TO TRIPLE CHECK ANY CHANGE ORDERS THAT WE APPROVE TO MAKE SURE THE SCOPE IS CORRECT. ALL THE QUANTITIES ARE CORRECT. AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INTERNAL EXPERTISE IN THAT, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE IS ON THE CITY SIDE TO ENSURE THE QUALITY OF THESE WORK TO BE DONE. THEY ALSO CHECK FOR MATERIAL TESTING. SO BECAUSE STUFF IS BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE PLANS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, STEEL AND CONCRETE, WHEN THE MATERIALS ARE BEING SENT TO THE LAB TO CHECK FOR DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS. 
          PLASTICITY INDEX THAT'S INSPECTOR. THAT'S THIS CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR'S JOB TO MAKE SURE HE OKAYED THE USE OF THESE MATERIAL IN THE CONSTRUCTION. SO MY QUESTION 
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FOR YOU, MR. LANGLEY, IS THAT'S $148,000. IF WE HAVE TO DO THIS FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE JUST TO HIRE AN INSPECTOR FOR THIS POSITION INSTEAD OF. INSTEAD OF CONTRACT OUT FOR IT? I THINK POTENTIALLY, IF WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THOSE VERTICAL PROJECTS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN IN SEQUENCE THAT WE COULD PREDICT AND WE KNEW WHAT THOSE WERE. THIS IS A NEW PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME. AND SOMETIMES THE SKILL SETS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT A VERTICAL PROJECT IS, A BUILDING, SOMETHING GOING UP? SO NOT THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING IT WAS NOT NOT NOT A NOT A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE A ROAD, A DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BUILDINGS THAT ESSENTIALLY GO UP VERTICAL PROJECT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE OTHER EXAMPLE IS WE HAVE THE 1626, THE GROUND STORAGE AND ELEVATED STORAGE. WE ALSO HAVE CD158 A LOT OF THOSE WATER TREATMENT, A LOT OF THOSE PUMP STATIONS THAT HAVE A CHLORINE BUILDING. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE THAT'S CONSIDERED AS A VERTICAL AS WELL. SO IS THAT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE 148,000? THAT'S THE DIFFERENT. SO YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE A FUTURE ITEM THAT WE ASK FOR FOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN INSPECTION. OKAY. I JUST SEE LIKE THIS IS A I GUESS I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD A BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT WAS ABLE TO INSPECT THESE BUILDINGS THAT WORKED WITH THE CITY. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THIS INSPECTOR WILL DO VERSUS WHAT OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR COULD DO? SO OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR DOES ONLY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PART. SO. AND MY APOLOGIES, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION AS WELL. SO OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR WOULD FOLLOW THE CITY CODE. I THINK IT'S CHAPTER 17 MAYBE. AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS BUILT TO THE CODE, INCLUDING PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL FRAMING. BUT THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR. THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR GO OUT TO THE SITE REGULARLY. A LOT OF TIMES FOR OUR PROJECT THEY WOULD GO OUT EVERY DAY. BUT FOR THIS, I THINK THEY GO OUT THREE TIMES A WEEK. AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS BUILT TO THE ENGINEERED, SIGNED AND SEALED PLAN. SO MAKE SURE THE MATERIAL IS CORRECT ON WHAT WE SPECIFIED IN THE PLAN AND WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE ENGINEER. IF E DESIGN AND SCOPE FOLLOWED, AND IT'S UP TO THE SPECS, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE BEYOND WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN A BUILDING INSPECTION TYPE OF REVIEW, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE OVERALL VALUE OF THE PROJECT. 3.5 MILLION, I THINK ROUGHLY CLOSE TO FOUR. 
          YEAH, CLOSE TO $4 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S $148,000 TO ENSURE THAT YOU GET $4 MILLION OF QUALITY WORK. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE PLANS, SPECIFICATIONS, THE PAUSE, ALL THE ENGINEERING THAT GOES INTO THE BUILDINGS, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRICAL, HVAC, CONCRETE, WORK, PLUMBING, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE DONE. AND THAT WHEN YOU WALK OUT OF THAT PROJECT THAT YOU'VE GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. OKAY, I AM GOING TO GET A LITTLE I'M GOING TO VOICE MY CONCERN ABOUT ALL THE, THE, THE OUTSOURCING THAT WE'RE DOING. AND I'M GOING TO HOPE THAT AS A GROWING CITY THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW GET THESE KIND OF EMPLOYEES STAFFED WITH THE CITY. 
          WELL, WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WITH THE CITY OF KYLE THAT'S GOING TO OVERSEE THE PROJECT. 
          WE HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER ASSIGNED TO IT THAT WORK CLOSELY WITH THE ARCHITECT ENGINEER, AS WELL AS WILL BE THE INSPECTOR. OKAY. AND WHO IS A PROJECT MANAGER? IT'S UNDER CIP DIVISION AARON STOREY. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. ANY MOTIONS? GO AHEAD. CAN YOU GIVE US A QUICK UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT? THE BUILDING PART? I BELIEVE THEY'RE ROCK AND ROLLING I DO HAVE SO THEY RECEIVED THIS IS THE BUILDING PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION. THEY RECEIVED THE NOTICE TO PROCEED. OH SORRY. THIS IS INSPECTION. 
          THEY THE BUILDING PART. THEY ACTUALLY STARTED BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2025. AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO FINISH IN JUNE OF 2026. AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND ON THE INSPECTION. SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR THE INSPECTOR PART IN JANUARY 2026, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CATCH THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION BY MAY 2026 AND FINAL COMPLETION OF JUNE OF 2026. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. ANY MOTIONS? JUST REAL QUICK FOR SOME OF YOU GUYS. I LIVE IN 
          [01:15:04]
THAT AREA. I DRIVE BY THE BUILDING PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING THERE. I HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN FENCED OFF, BUT I HAVE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE. JUST AS I WAS COMING TO THE MEETING, THERE WAS A HUGE PLUMBING TRUCK THAT JUST LEFT. SO I THINK WHAT IT IS, IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST THIS MUCH MONEY IN A FACILITY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE AIR DUCTS CORRECT. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE FOUNDATIONS CORRECT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ANY KIND OF PLUMBING, BECAUSE REMEMBER, IF ANYBODY HAD BEEN IN THERE FROM THE BEGINNING, IT WAS JUST A SHELL. IT WAS JUST A CONCRETE SHELL WITH RAFTERS AND THAT WAS IT. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY PLUMBING, ANY ELECTRICAL, ANY HVAC DUCT, ANY KIND OF ROOF INSPECTIONS WE'VE GOT TO HAVE, IT'S GOT TO ALL BE LOOKED AT FROM THAT END. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WHY WE'RE NOT USING A BUILDING CODE. MAYBE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERTISE IN THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS, BECAUSE YOU ALSO GOT TO MAKE SURE THE WIRING IS CORRECT. YOU GOT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. SO IF THIS IS WHAT THIS COMPANY IS PLANNING ON DOING, I CAN I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ONLY JUST SAFE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR US LATER ON, THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO ISSUES LATER ON TO SAY, WHY DIDN'T THE INSPECTOR CATCH THIS FOUNDATION ISSUE OR SO FORTH? WE WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT THAT IS EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT OR ANYBODY ELSE. AND THEN JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE REASON WHY WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THAT'S DEDICATED TO DOING THIS IS BECAUSE, ONE, THESE PROJECTS AREN'T NECESSARILY LIKE GUARANTEED TO OCCUR ON A REGULAR BASIS TO JUSTIFY THE COST OF A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE. AND THE OTHER REASON THAT I'M HEARING IS THAT EACH PROJECT IS DIFFERENT. AND SO IT MAY REQUIRE DIFFERENT EXPERTISE THAN SOMEONE MAY BE MAY HAVE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE FREQUENT ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY FOR A FULL TIME OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE. BECAUSE I DO WANT TO I DO WANT TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE VERTICAL PROJECTS TO CALL HOMES. AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF KYLE LIVES IN ONE. AND SO MY HOPE IS IF WE ARE GOING TO OVERLOOK AND REVIEW THESE, THIS BUILDING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO OWN. MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME RESPECT FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF INSPECTORS THERE AS WELL. 
          WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DUCTS AND ELECTRICITY, ALL THAT'S IN A HOUSE. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE SAME CARE OR IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT KIND OF CARE IN A CITY BUILDING, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALSO DOING THAT IN A, IN A HOUSE. SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, GO AHEAD. I JUST I'M NOT SURE IF THAT FALLS WITHIN PURVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S WELL, HOMES ARE INSPECTED BY THE CITY. WE HAVE A BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT GOES OUT AND LOOKS AT THE HOMES AND THE DRIVEWAYS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE BUILT CORRECTLY, UNLESS THE BUILDER THAT IS DOING THE BUILDING IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. WE'RE THE ONES DOING THE BUILDING, SO WE'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR. CORRECT. BUT BUT OVERALL, THE CITY IS THE ONE DOING THE INSPECTIONS ON EITHER WHETHER WE BUILD IT OR THE OR DEVELOPER BUILDS IT, IT ALL FALLS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO INSPECTIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS THAT WE GIVE THE SAME RESPECT TO THE HOMEOWNERS THAT WE GIVE TO OURSELVES OR TO THE BUILDERS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING IT CORRECTLY, MEANING FOUNDATIONS, OTHER ISSUES THAT I THINK THAT HAVE COME UP WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THE SAME KIND OF OVERSIGHT TO THE BUILDERS AS WELL. OKAY, I'D LIKE TO GO AND MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER APPROVING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. I ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK 
          [6) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing the City Manager to execute all documents necessary to purchase 7,250 SF (0.1664 AC) of right of way and a temporary easement over a 920 SF (0.0211 AC) parcel of land from Pedernales Electric Cooperative, Inc., for the purpose of improvements to Bunton Creek Road project in an amount of $107,237.90, plus reasonable closing costs.]
YOU MA'AM. OKAY. NEXT AGENDA ITEM SIX. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO PURCHASE 7250FT■!S OF RIGHT OF WAY AND TEMPORARY EASEMENT OVER A 920 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL OF LAND FROM PEDERNALES ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, INC. FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVEMENTS ON BUNTON CREEK ROAD PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF 107,237 AND $0.90 PLUS REASONABLE CLOSING COSTS. ALL RIGHT. I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, CAN WE BRING THIS BACK SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT THE CLOSING COST AMOUNT IS? YOU'RE ASKING US TO CLOSE AND THEN JUST PROVIDE YOU A STATEMENT. EXACTLY. JUST AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM TO TO THE COUNCIL? YES, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. ALSO, IS THERE A REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT'S WITH THIS OR IS THIS JUST DONE BY THE CITY? WE HAVE A PROPERTY ACQUISITION 
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AGENT WHO WORKS FOR OUR GSC. THEY'RE CALLED ATKINS REALS. AND SO THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DRIVE THE ACQUISITION PROCESS. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SHOULD YOU APPROVE THE ITEM NUMBER SIX, I SECOND SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. ALL OPPOSED. OKAY. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. OUR NEXT. I JUST HAVE A REAL QUICK QUESTION 
          [7) (Second Reading) Consider approval of an ordinance to rezone approximately 0.2174 acres from ‘RS’ (Retail Services) to ‘CBD-2’ (Central Business District-2) for Lots 8 and 9, Block B, of the Original Town of Kyle Subdivision, located at 201 and 203 S. Old Highway 81, Hays County, Texas. (Z-25-0140)
The Planning and Zoning Commission voted 6-0 to recommend approval on December 9, 2025. 
The City Council voted 5-0 to approve on December 16, 2025. ]
ON ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.2174 ACRES FROM RETAIL SERVICES TO CBD, TWO FOR LOTS EIGHT AND NINE, BLOCK B OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN OF KYLE SUBDIVISION, LOCATED AT 201 AND 203 SOUTH OLD HIGHWAY 81, HAYS COUNTY, TEXAS. ALL RIGHT, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DOES WHY NOT CBD ONE? THERE'S PROBABLY MULTIPLE FACTORS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHEN COMPARING CBD ONE VERSUS CBD TWO. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE WAS ONE NECESSARILY OVERALL ARCHING REASON. THE BIGGEST FACTORS ARE KIND OF SETBACKS. SO OUR CBD ONE HAS MORE STRINGENT SETBACKS THAN CBD TWO, CBD TWO IS CAN GO DOWN TO ZERO SETBACKS AS LONG AS YOU'RE MEETING FIRE CODE. THESE AREAS ALONG ALONG THIS OLD 81 ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER LOTS, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL, IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO FIT THAT. THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE THE LAND USES, I THINK THE PROPOSED LAND USE THAT THIS TENANT IS LOOKING AT, IT WOULD WORK IN CBD 1 OR 2, BUT THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE IMPERVIOUS COVER OR BUILDING COVERAGE ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. 
          SO CBD TWO IS CAN BE UP TO 100% IMPERVIOUS COVER. NOW THERE'S LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT. THEY WON'T GET THERE, BUT THE CBD ONE IS LIMITED TO 65%. AND DURING THEIR DESIGN THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO TO THAT ALREADY AGAINST VERY SMALL SITE. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE THE LAND USES THEMSELVES. SO CBD ONE ALLOWS SOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, IT'S KIND OF AN ISLAND ON ITSELF. ■YOU'VE GOT TWO OR YOU'VE GOT THE RAILROAD TRACKS, YOU'VE GOT I-35. SO IT'S NOT REALLY IDEAL FOR A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 34 TOTAL RETAIL USES THAT YOU CAN HAVE UNDER CBD ONE. I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE CLOTHING STORES. YOU'RE ON I-35, YOU CAN HAVE A CLOTHING STORE, BUT CAN ONLY BE A RESALE OR USE CLOTHING. SO YOU COULDN'T SELL, YOU KNOW, MEN'S SHOES, YOU COULDN'T SELL WOMEN'S CLOTHING. SO I THINK FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING AT HIGHEST AND BEST USE LOCATION. I THINK IT WAS A FACTOR OF ALL OF THESE THAT WENT TOGETHER AND WHY WE SUPPORTED THE CBD TWO OVER THE CBD ONE WOULD CBD ONE ALLOW FOR A PAWN SHOP, CBD ONE WOULD NOT, OR LIQUOR STORE? NO. WOULD CBD TWO YES. OKAY. NOW LIQUOR STORES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IF THE IF THERE'S I'VE HEARD CONVERSATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE PAWN SHOPS, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW IN CBD TWO, THERE ARE NO PAWN SHOPS IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. SO IF THAT IS THE REAL CONCERN, YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD CONSIDER WORKING WITH COUNCIL TO TO MAYBE REMOVE THAT USE FROM CBD. TWO, THAT MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THE PAWN SHOP WAS AN ALLOWED USE BECAUSE KIND OF EXISTING ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN CORE PRESERVING OUR KIND OF HISTORIC CORE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE EXISTING CBD TWO NOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S A USE WE WANT TO ELIMINATE FROM FROM THAT THAT ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, AND YOU SAID ALMOST AT 65% FOR THAT AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          CBD ONE ALLOWS UP TO 65%. IS 85%. AGAIN, IT'S MORE FOR LARGER LOTS. CBD TWO IS REALLY DESIGNED FOR THE INFILL AREAS IN OUR DOWNTOWN CORE. I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT ZONING CODE WAS CHANGED. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE THE LOGISTICS OR CONVERSATIONS, BUT LOOKING AT IT SAYING IT'S 100% NOW, CLEARLY THEY HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT MAXIMIZING BEING ABLE TO BUILD THEIR PROPERTY OUT AGAIN, THE I-35 OVERLAY, IF IF COUNCIL HAS CONCERNS ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER AT 100% I-35 OVERLAY REQUIRES ADDITIONAL TREES, LANDSCAPING PLANNING SO THEY WOULDN'T EVER GET TO THAT 100%. BUT BUT 65 IS IS KIND OF SMALL FOR A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. OKAY. 
          THERE IS A RESIDENT THAT LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO IT THERE, THE CISNEROS. AND THEY'VE THEY'VE OWNED IT FOR A LONG TIME. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE DOES NOT AFFECT THEM OR CAUSE WATER TO GO ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. SO ARE YOU GUYS DOING ANYTHING 
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TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? YES. SO WE WOULD LOOK AT BECAUSE IT'S AN I-35. WELL, NORMAL SITE DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE THIS COMMERCIAL PROJECT TO TO SUBMIT. SO THEY WOULD GO THROUGH SITE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THOSE PLANS ARE ACTUALLY IN. WE DO LOOK AT DRAINAGE AS PART OF THAT. WE LOOK AT IMPERVIOUS COVER. THERE'S SOME STATE LAW THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE FLOW OF WATER, BUT YOU ALSO CAN'T CONCENTRATE IT OR INCREASE IT. SO THAT'S NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT I DO COORDINATE WITH THAT DEPARTMENT TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE INCLUDED. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOKED AT. THIS AREA OF TOWN IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT IT'S NOT STORM SEWER, IT'S IT'S OPEN DITCH AND DRAINAGE. A LOT OF TEX-DOT DRAINAGE ON ON 81. SO THERE MAY BE NEED TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS, AS AS OF YET. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY MOTIONS. OR QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD. 
          MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS FOLLOWS. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I, I. 
          ALL OPPOSED. SAY NAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO THE PULLED ITEM. WAIT. NO, WE DID CONSENT. WE'RE GOING TO PULL UP THE. COUNCIL MEMBER ITEMS 17 AND 18 TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY. AND THEN AGENDA ITEM 21 I'M GOING TO LET I'M GOING TO READ IT. AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS TAKE THE LEAD 
          [17) Consider directing the City Manager to bring back recommendations on an amended ordinance to replace routine City Council reimbursements and expenditures with a fixed monthly stipend and amend the City Council budgets accordingly, to eliminate City-issued credit cards for City Council Members except for limited travel purposes, and to create and convene a compensation review committee in accordance with Sec. 3.09 of the City Charter to evaluate the proposed amendments, fiscal impacts, and implementation details and return recommendations to Council for final approval as part of the fiscal year 2026-27 budget approval.]
ON IT. SO NUMBER ITEM 17 CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS ON AN AMENDED ORDINANCE TO REPLACE ROUTINE CITY COUNCIL REIMBURSEMENTS AND EXPENDITURES WITH A FIXED MONTHLY STIPEND, AND AMEND THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET BUDGETS ACCORDINGLY TO ELIMINATE CITY ISSUED CREDIT CARDS FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, EXCEPT FOR LIMITED TRAVEL PURPOSES, AND TO CREATE AND CONVENE A COMPENSATION REVIEW COMMITTEE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 3.09 OF THE CITY CHARTER TO EVALUATE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. FISCAL IMPACTS AND IMPLEMENTATION DETAILS, AND RETURN RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2627 BUDGET APPROVAL. ADDITIONALLY, 18 IS 
          [18) Consider directing the City Manager to bring back a future item amending the City Council expense policy and eliminating the use of City Council credit cards.]
CONSIDERED DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A FUTURE ITEM, AMENDING THE COUNCIL EXPENSE POLICY AND ELIMINATING ELIMINATING THE USE OF CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARDS. I'M GOING TO GIVE IT OVER TO MELISSA AND MARK, OR COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. 
          YOU CAN CALL ME MARK. IT'S ALL RIGHT. I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY, SO AS WE ALL KNOW, AS A COMMUNITY, CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARDS HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE FOR YEARS. THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCREPANCY AS WHETHER THEY WERE BROUGHT INTO PLAY BACK IN 2017 OR LATER ON INTO CLOSER TO 2022. REGARDLESS, THEY'VE BEEN IN THE CITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THERE'S NO OTHER CITY THAT I'M AWARE OF PERSONALLY THAT USES CITY ISSUED CREDIT CARDS FOR CITY COUNCIL STAFF, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO REDUCE RIGHT NOW. 
          EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR GETS A BUDGET OF ABOUT $33,000 PER YEAR TO SEND SPEND ON THEIR CREDIT CARD, WHICH INCLUDES MULTIPLE ITEMS FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES FOR FOOD FOR YOU, NAME IT, IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE LIST PRETTY MUCH. AND THOSE ARE A LOT OF EXPENSES THAT DON'T ALWAYS GET SPENT, OR SOME THAT HAVE BEEN SPENT AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. AS WE KNOW FROM THE PAST, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS DOING AWAY WITH THE CITY ISSUED CREDIT CARDS AND THE WORDING IT'S MENTIONS, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF LIMITED USE FOR TRAVEL. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR TRAVEL IS FOR CITY TO BOOK ALL OF OUR TRAVEL EXPENSES, PUT IT ON A CITY CREDIT CARD, BOOK THE HOTELS, THE AIRLINES, AND THEN WHEN WE ARRIVE AT A DESTINATION, WE USE OUR CARD FOR INCIDENTALS AND THE EVENT THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, A HOTEL HOTEL CHAIN DOESN'T WORK IN THAT MANNER, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO SEEK AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH THAT AS WELL. FOR TRAVEL PURPOSES. RIGHT NOW, CITY DOES RECEIVE AN ANNUAL SALARY OR MONTHLY SALARY. RATHER, THEY RECEIVE A STIPEND. AND THEN THEY'VE HAD USE OF A CITY CREDIT CARD. IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE JUST EXTRA MONEY BEING HANDED OUT LEFT AND RIGHT FROM NOT JUST YOUR POCKETS, BUT OURS. THE STIPEND WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE IN A COUNCIL POCKET. STILL, FOR THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO DO LIKE TO DO TOWN HALL EVENTS, WHO DO 
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LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER MEET AND GREETS AND GET OUT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND HAVE FUNCTIONS WITH THEIR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH WATER OR DONUTS, COFFEE, TACOS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, TO BRING YOU GUYS OUT AND TALK AND CONVENE. DOES THAT MEAN WE ALL WANT TO GO OUT AND HAVE EXPENSIVE LUNCHES WITH YOU GUYS ON CITY DIME, ON YOUR DIME, BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT, BUT YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT? NO, NOT REALLY, BUT A STIPEND WOULD BE THERE FOR THOSE INSTANCES. A LOT OF US DO PRINT OUT A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF FROM HOME, FROM OUR HOME PRINTERS FOR THESE MEETINGS TO GET PREPARED. SO THAT'S AT OUR EXPENSE. YOU KNOW, THAT STIPEND CAN COVER THE COST OF PRINTER INK, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE USING FOR CITY BUSINESS. AND THAT'S JUST JUST SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF GETTING AWAY FROM THESE RECEIPTS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT A $30,000 BUDGET, ALL THESE RECEIPTS THAT STAFF IS RECONCILING, WE'RE SPENDING ALMOST THAT MUCH IN SALARY FOR STAFF MEMBERS, A TEAM OF 10 TO 12 STAFF MEMBERS TO RECONCILE THESE CREDIT CARDS. SO YOU'RE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT THE CREDIT CARD CHARGES, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STAFF. TIME TO TO GO THROUGH THE REIMBURSEMENTS TO GO THROUGH. 
          IF THESE ARE LEGITIMATE CHARGES TO GO THROUGH, THESE NEED TO BE DEDUCTED FROM THAT STAFF MEMBER'S NEXT PAYCHECK. DID THEY EVEN TURN IN THE RECEIPT AND THEN HOUNDING THAT MEMBER FOR THOSE RECEIPTS? SO NOT ONLY CAN WE SAVE MONEY FROM THE BUDGET FROM CITIZENS PAYING, BUT WE ALSO SAVE FROM THAT STAFF TIME, AND THAT STAFF CAN BE USING THEIR HOURS IN THE JOB TO DO SOMETHING BETTER ALIGNED FOR THE CITY. MARK. IT WAS KIND OF MY INTENTION TO TO BRING FORTH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US TO DISCUSS WHAT WE THINK IS IS AN APPROPRIATE. I GUESS, I GUESS, LEVEL OF OF EXPENSE ON CITY STAFF. MY FEELING WAS ALWAYS THAT THE CARDS AND THE STIPEND WERE DUPLICATE. IT WAS. IT WAS, IT WAS. THE STIPEND WAS MEANT TO COVER THOSE THINGS THAT THE CARDS WERE BEING USED FOR AND SEEMED INAPPROPRIATE. MY THOUGHTS ARE IS TO DO AWAY WITH THE CARDS ALTOGETHER, DO AWAY WITH WITH REIMBURSEMENT ALTOGETHER, AND JUST USE YOUR STIPEND FOR WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR. SO OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS ON THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, SHORTLY AFTER THE ELECTION, I REALIZED THAT THERE WERE PROBABLY FOUR VOTES ON THIS. AND SO I REACHED OUT TO TO MR. LANGLEY AND HE SAID, ACTUALLY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF YOU THAT PROBABLY SHOULD PAIR UP. AND, AND SO, YEAH, AND HERE WE ARE RIGHT AFTER. YEAH. RIGHT AFTER COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA WAS ELECTED, WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS. SO I HAVE A FEW PEOPLE ASKING YOU TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOUR MIC. I'M SORRY. HE'S SAYING REALLY GREAT THINGS BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? IT'S I HAVE THE AGENDA ITEM AFTERWARDS. AND REALLY MY GOAL IN THIS WAS I THINK ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER TWO IS TO ELIMINATE THE CITY CREDIT CARDS, WHICH HAVE BECOME AN ISSUE. AND I'VE DEALT WITH THEM. I THOUGHT THEY WERE BROUGHT TO US IN 2021, BUT I'M TOLD MAYBE 2017. BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THEY CAME AND IMMEDIATELY, PROBABLY WITHIN A YEAR, BECAME A REAL ISSUE. AND SO FOR ME, THE THREE, THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, I THINK WE HAVE THREE KIND OF DIFFERENT AGENDA GOALS. AND ONE WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE CREDIT CARD, AND THEN ANOTHER WOULD BE TO CREATE A COMPENSATION COMMITTEE, AND THEN ANOTHER MAY BE TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING US SOME KIND OF POLICY BACK. I KNOW REIMBURSEMENTS ARE CAN BE COMPLICATED, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE LIKELY TO SPEND OUR OWN MONEY, THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY DO IT LESS. AND SO I WOULD AGREE WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO. I REMEMBER BEING VERY ACTIVE IN SNÖVIT. IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT IT'S THIS CRAZY SNOW BLIZZARD. AND I DID USE MY OWN FUNDS IN ORDER TO BUY SOME PIZZAS AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS, AND I WAS REIMBURSED. NOT THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT, YOU KNOW, FOR FREE. BUT IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO DO, I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST GET REIMBURSED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT. FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS MCKINNEY AND MEDINA, CAN YOU ALL JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE COMPENSATION REVIEW COMMITTEE PORTION OF THE AGENDA ITEM? SO THE LAST TIME A COMPENSATION COMMITTEE WAS IN PLACE, LET ME DIG THROUGH MY NOTES. HERE WAS 22, I BELIEVE, AND 22. SO WE ARE A YEAR OVERDUE OF PUTTING TOGETHER A COMPENSATION COMMITTEE TO KIND OF DECIDE WHAT COMPENSATION 
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PACKAGE THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD FOLLOW. THEY TYPICALLY DISCUSS THE MONTHLY SALARY, THE STIPEND THAT WAS ADDED IN PROBABLY ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO. AND THEN THEY KIND OF GO THROUGH THE LINE ITEMS AND HOW MUCH SHOULD BE ALLOTTED FOR THE LINE ITEMS ON EACH BUDGET ITEM. 
          THAT'S ON THE. THE BUDGET FOR THE CREDIT CARD USAGE. OKAY. AND I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MAYOR FLORES, WHAT IS NECESSARILY, I GUESS, THE THE DIFFERENCE IN WHY BOTH ARE THE ON THE AGENDA? BECAUSE I THINK I FEEL LIKE THERE SIMILAR BUT ALSO IN CONFLICT. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BOTH. I BELIEVE MINE WAS A LITTLE MORE SIMPLIFIED. IT WAS. AND IT WAS JUST ME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HOW DO WE ELIMINATE THESE CREDIT CARDS AND YET ALLOW FOR REIMBURSEMENT. SO MINE WAS STRICTLY TO CUT OFF THE CREDIT CARDS, CREATE, HAVE STAFF CREATE A POLICY AND THEN BRING IT BACK. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN CONFLICT. I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY SYNC UP PRETTY WELL, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE. THEY'RE THE AGENDA ITEM 17 ALSO INCLUDES THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE, WHICH I'M ALL ON BOARD FOR IT. YOU KNOW, IT COMES BACK EVERY THREE YEARS. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK IN 2025 AND IT DIDN'T. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT MAKING ANY SUGGESTIONS TO THE COMMITTEE. JUST ASKING THEM, HEY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU HOW DO YOU WANT TO SEE OUR COMPENSATION AND THEN ALLOWING THEM TO GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK? I'M MOVING ON FROM THERE. BUT THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE I THINK WAS I WASN'T REALLY ON BOARD WITH CHANGING THE STIPEND OR KEEPING THE CREDIT CARDS FOR TRAVEL. MINE WAS JUST TO GET RID OF THEM. OKAY, SO THEN I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, THEY ARE IN CONFLICT. IF YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH CERTAIN PORTIONS OF 17. SO I THINK MY QUESTION THEN WOULD BE FOR STAFF. I GUESS IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, APPROVE 17, BUT THEN APPROVE 18, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? SO I LIKE THAT YOU GUYS TOOK THESE UP TOGETHER. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAKE A SINGLE MOTION. AND THEN ESSENTIALLY ONE OF THE ITEMS JUST, YOU KNOW, IS NO LONGER NECESSARY. AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THE THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE IS THAT ANY TIME THERE'S A CHANGE TO OUR COMPENSATION, IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THEM. LIKE THAT'S FOR CHARTER RULES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS THE CORRECT PROCESS TO FOLLOW. CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS WELL, I THINK THAT IT WOULD REALLY BY HAVING A COMPENSATION COMMITTEE, ALL THESE ISSUES COULD BE LOOKED AT AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THEY DOVETAIL. RIGHT. AND THE ISSUE OF THE CREDIT CARDS IS ABOUT EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENT, BASICALLY, AND BUDGET LINE ITEMS. AND I THINK THAT THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. AND AND HAVE THAT COMMITTEE ADDRESS PLANNING FOR ALL OF THESE ITEMS. MY QUESTION THEN WOULD BE DO WE WANT TO MAKE THIS ONE MOTION, OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT LIKE THREE DIFFERENT MOTIONS? BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S LIKE ELIMINATING THE CREDIT CARD, CREATING THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE AND THEN DIRECTING STAFF. I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER A MOTION. I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE WE CONSIDER MOTIONS. SO I THINK I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE. 
          THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH, I GUESS, THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS. BUT I THINK WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS IF WE'RE NOT BREAKING ALL OF THESE UP INTO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, THEN WE MIGHT BE EFFECTIVELY DECIDING OUTCOMES BY COMBINING ALL OF THESE DIRECTIVES INTO ONE, WHICH THEN WOULD CREATE SOME SORT OF OVERLAP AND CONSTRAINT AROUND WHAT THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE DOES BY PREJUDGING THE WORK THAT THEY ARE SET OUT TO DO. SO I THINK I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE JUST HAVING THEM BE DIFFERENT MOTIONS LIKE AGREEING TO THEM, BUT JUST BE DIFFERENT MOTIONS. JUST AS A NOTE, I CONSIDER THE CREDIT CARDS RELATIVELY SEPARATE FROM THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE. THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE LOOKS AT HOW YOU'RE PAID. THE CREDIT CARDS WERE A METHOD THAT THAT COUNCIL APPROVED AT SOME POINT, THAT ALLOWED THEM TO PAY THE EXPENDITURES ON A CREDIT CARD. COMPENSATION COMMITTEE IS REALLY SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT, LIKE YOUR SALARY, YOUR COMPENSATION, AND THEN COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED TO SET THEIR EXPENSES IN THE BUDGET. I'M OKAY WITH THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO SET YOUR EXPENDITURES, BUT THE CHARTER PROVIDES ANNUALLY. THE COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THE EXPENDITURES AND THE METHODOLOGY TO DETERMINE WHICH ONES ARE REIMBURSABLE BY ORDINANCE. OKAY. I THINK MY WORRY WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE SAME MOTION, IN THE SAME ITEM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TELLING THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE TO ONLY LOOK AT CREDIT CARDS, BUT JUST 
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TO KIND OF DO AN ENTIRE REVIEW INSTEAD. BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS LIKE LIKE I SAID, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD ABOUT IT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER GOSA HAD HER HAND UP. MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED ALREADY. PERFECT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS. ALL RIGHT. GREAT SUBJECT AND CONVERSATION. RIGHT. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING ON THIS SUBJECT. OKAY. SO FIRST OF ALL, KUDOS TO BOTH OF YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MCKINNEY AND MEDINA FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. WE ALL KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A PRESSING ISSUE FROM THE RESIDENTS AS BEING TRANSPARENT. 
          AND, MR. CONNOR, WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS, MR. HOWARD, RIGHT ABOUT ALL THIS. SO I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINION ON THAT. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YES, IT'S COMBINED. BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER ZAPATA, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WE WANT TO ELIMINATE THE CREDIT CARDS, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF US MIGHT BE FEELING THAT WAY, WHICH IS FINE. BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU'RE ALSO SAYING, OKAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT BUDGETS FOR TRAVEL AND SO FORTH? BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE ARE CONFERENCES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ATTEND OR SOME CLASSES LIKE SUCH AS PML, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COME AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING IN THAT SENSE. BUT THEN AGAIN, I WOULD PREFER THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE TO REVIEW ALL OF THAT AND WHATEVER THEY COME UP WITH AS FAR AS THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO REVIEW THAT, AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THAT. I HATE FOR THEM TO BE PREJUDGED. IN A SENSE. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THIS. BUT WAIT A MINUTE. WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE THIS AS WELL. SO I THINK DOING IN SEPARATE BUDGETS, I MEAN SEPARATE MOTIONS WOULD HELP. AS FAR AS THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE REVIEW, MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WOULD THAT BE SET UP? WOULD THAT BE THROUGH APPOINTMENT, OR ARE WE GOING TO GO WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS POLICY PROCEDURE WHERE WE TAKE APPLICATIONS? YEAH, ULTIMATELY THAT'S UP TO YOU. WHAT WE WOULD DO IS BRING YOU BACK A RESOLUTION TO FORM THE COMMITTEE AND THEN ASK FOR APPOINTMENTS, AND THEN YOU WOULD DECIDE HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO APPOINT THEM IF YOU WANTED TO APPOINT THEM DIRECTLY FROM THE DAIS, OR IF YOU HAD A PARTICULAR PROCESS THAT YOU WANTED TO GO THROUGH. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE SUBJECT TO COUNCIL DIRECTION. I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED. TONIGHT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS THAT WE COULD BRING THAT FORWARD AND YOUR RESOLUTION TO CREATE THAT, THAT BODY AND THEN ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS, AND THEN ALSO BRING THAT BACK SEPARATELY FOR THE APPOINTMENTS. BUT IT'S UP TO YOU HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. THE ONLY THING WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU GIVE THAT GROUP ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, TO GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION THAT COULD BE THEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AT THE END OF JULY, SO YOU'LL NEED A FEW MONTHS TO DO THAT, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY TIMES THEY WANT TO MEET AND THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU ASK THEM TO DO. BUT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. OKAY, SO IF IF WE MAKE THAT MOTION FOR, YOU KNOW, THE CREDIT CARDS IF THAT GOES THROUGH. SO YOU WOULD BRING THAT SO YOU WOULDN'T NEED ANY DIRECTION FROM US AS FAR AS THE MOTION ON THAT RESOLUTION, IT WOULD ACTUALLY COME BACK MAYBE ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO WHERE WE CAN ESTABLISH THAT, THAT CONVERSATION ON GETTING THE COMMITTEE GOING. YES, SIR. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, EACH OF THESE IS TO DIRECT ME TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION TO DO SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE OR TO AMEND THE POLICY FOR CREDIT CARDS OR WHAT IT IS. SO THOSE WOULD ALL COME BACK AS ACTION ITEMS. THIS JUST GIVES ME THE DIRECTION FROM YOU AS A BOARD, THAT YOU WILL PREPARE THOSE AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU. SO ALL OF THESE YOU WOULD SEE AGAIN IN A MORE SPECIFIC FORMAT THAT THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO VOTE ON. SO IT'S A MOTION WOULD BE TO DIRECT STAFF FOR THIS. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. OKAY. JUST FOR CLARITY, THE EXPENSE POLICY AND THE CREDIT CARDS THAT WAS APPROVED BY ORDINANCE. SO WHAT WE WOULD BRING BACK WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THAT. AND THAT DOES REQUIRE TWO VOTES UNLESS IT'S OF SEVEN OF VOTES. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE A FIRST READING AND A SECOND READING UNLESS IT'S SEVEN ON FIRST READING. 
          YES. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD OKAY, I YIELD. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. ALL RIGHT. DO WE WANT TO MAKE THREE DIFFERENT MOTIONS, ONE BY EACH OF US AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD? I ALREADY HAVE A MOTION IF THAT'S OKAY. AND IT'S JUST FOR THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE. WOULD YOU MIND? OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE TO CREATE AND CONVENE A COMPENSATION REVIEW COMMITTEE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 3.09 OF THE CITY CHARTER TO EVALUATE THE COUNCIL'S COMPENSATION. I THINK THAT ONE CAN BE A RESOLUTION. 
          IT'S THE POLICY. WHAT WAS WRONG? I KNOW IT'S YOUR FIRST MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. OKAY. 
          SO I RESTATE THE WHOLE THING OR DO IT. IS IT OKAY? DO YOU UNDERSTAND? JENNIFER, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MEAN RESOLUTION I MEANT RESOLUTION, OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE CREDIT CARDS. AND I THINK WE HAVE DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT FIRST? YEAH. LET'S TAKE A VOTE. I'M READY. OKAY. I SECOND THAT MOTION AND THEN YOU CAN DO DISCUSSION. OKAY. THERE WAS A MOTION BY MAYOR FLORES AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. IT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. AND NOW WE 
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HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A FUTURE ITEM OR ITEMS WITH RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO AMEND ORDINANCES 1231 AND 1223 RELATED TO CITY COUNCIL EXPENSES AND REIMBURSEMENTS AND ELIMINATE CITY CREDIT. CITY ISSUED CREDIT CARDS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA. DO I NEED TO REPEAT ALL THAT? NO THANK YOU. AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN KINNEY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ONE MORE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. MCKINNEY, DO YOU WANT TO DO THE CREDIT CARDS? THAT WAS INCLUDED IN. OH, THAT WAS INCLUDED TO CANCEL THEM? YES, YES. SO THAT WAS TWO AND ONE. YEP. OKAY. YEAH. I FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE DONE. WE'RE GOOD. I THINK WE CROSSED THE GOAL LINE. ALL RIGHT. THEY'RE GONE GUYS. GOOD JOB TEAM GOOD JOB WORKING TOGETHER I DO APPRECIATE. I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY'S SUGGESTION TO COMBINE THOSE. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO WAS IT 21 TO 21 OKAY. AGENDA ITEM 21. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD. 
          [21) Consider directing the City Manager to bring back a resolution creating a policy to require the posting of all credit card expenses, associated receipts, and other supporting information to the City's website.]
CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION, CREATING A POLICY TO REQUIRE THE POSTING OF ALL CREDIT CARD EXPENSES, ASSOCIATED RECEIPTS AND OTHER SUPPORTING INFORMATION TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THIS IS PRESENTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GOSA. HI. THANK YOU. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY EMPLOYEE CREDIT CARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP CONSTANTLY WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING WAS GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY. AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE CITY CREDIT CARDS FOR JUST DAILY PURCHASES, ETC. AND WE DO HAVE CREDIT CARD POLICIES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT WE SAW IN AUSTIN RECENTLY WITH AN EMPLOYEE WHO WAS JUST CAUGHT CHARGING ALMOST $1 MILLION TO COMPANIES THAT BELONG TO HIS FAMILY FOR SERVICES NOT RENDERED, I KIND OF FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING TO HAVE THOSE CITY CREDIT CARDS FOR CITY EMPLOYEES ON THE WEBSITE, SIMILAR TO HOW THE CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARDS WERE POSTED, AND IT ALWAYS FEELS LIKE A GOOD THING TO HAVE MORE EYES ON THOSE TYPES OF TRANSACTIONS SO THAT YOU'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE SEEING IT AND AND BEING ABLE TO CATCH THINGS BEFORE THEY SPIRAL TO SAY $1 MILLION, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST GONE. AND SO THAT WAS WHY I WANTED THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING FORTH A POLICY FOR BEING ABLE TO SCAN THEM, GET THEM POSTED ON THE WEBSITE JUST FOR VISIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME FEEDBACK, I GUESS. SO I THINK ONE, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ITEM. SO I GUESS FOR CLARITY, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, I DID SEND AN EMAIL TO THE CITY MANAGER, WHO THEN FORWARDED IT TO THE DIFFERENT AUTHORS OF THE ITEMS THIS EVENING, ASKING THAT EACH AUTHOR OF OF THE ITEMS PROVIDE A BRIEF POLICY, MEMO OR NARRATIVE THAT JUST WENT OVER THE PROBLEM STATEMENT, THE POLICY OBJECTIVES, RELEVANT BACKGROUND OR HISTORY, LEGAL AUTHORITY AND CONSTRAINTS, FISCAL IMPACTS, OPERATIONAL IMPACTS ON STAFF WORKLOAD AND TIMELINES, ALTERNATIVES CONSIDERED AND RISKS, AND POTENTIAL AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, ALONG WITH WHETHER THE ITEM ITSELF WAS INFORMATIONAL, POLICY SETTING OR INTENDED TO LEAD TO ACTION. I GUESS THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT WAS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT I JUST HAVE INITIALLY WITH, I THINK A LOT OF THE LACK OF CLARITY AROUND THIS, THIS ITEM, AND I GUESS THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH BY COUNCIL AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO NECESSARILY WITH THE SUBSTANTIVE PORTIONS OF THEM, BUT MORE SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND CLARITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. I THINK AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHEN WE BRING FORWARD AGENDA ITEMS, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE FOUNDATIONAL CONTEXT TO EACH OTHER AS COLLEAGUES AND TO THE PUBLIC RELIES ON US. AND SO WITHOUT THAT PREPARATION, COUNCIL RISKS INEFFICIENT MEETINGS, UNCLEAR DIRECTION, AND A PUBLIC PROCESS THAT LACKS TRANSPARENCY AND COHERENCE. I THINK MY CONCERN HERE IS ABOUT SETTING CLEAR EXPECTATIONS ABOUT HOW WE OPERATE AS A GOVERNING BODY. WE REQUIRE STAFF BRING FORWARD ITEMS WITH STAFF MEMOS, BACKGROUND DOCUMENTATION, FISCAL CONTEXT, OPERATIONAL IMPACTS AND CLEAR OBJECTIVES SO BOTH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT ISSUE IS BEING ADDRESSED, WHY IT MATTERS, AND WHAT OUTCOMES ARE BEING SOUGHT. I BELIEVE THAT SAME STANDARD SHOULD APPLY, IF NOT MORE SO WHEN ITEMS ARE INITIATED BY COUNCIL LEADERSHIP, BECAUSE DOING SO IS PRACTICING EFFICIENT, TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNANCE. I THINK 
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MY CONCERN AROUND ITEM NUMBER 21 AND SPECIFIC IS WE JUST FINISHED A CONVERSATION ABOUT CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARDS AND HOW THE TOTAL OPERATIONAL COSTS OF FISCAL IMPACTS AND THE OPERATIONAL TIME THAT STAFF PUTS INTO MANAGING. JUST RECONCILING THESE CARDS IS AROUND $30,000 A YEAR, AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT ITEM 21 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLYING THAT TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, THAT IS GOING TO SKYROCKET, THAT THERE'S A LARGE FISCAL IMPACT WITH THAT AND A LARGE OPERATIONAL WORKLOAD IMPACT WITH THAT AS WELL. AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, SIMPLY POSTING CREDIT CARD ITEMS DOESN'T ACTUALLY SOLVE THE ROOT OF OF ANY OF THAT. IT'S IT'S A BAND-AID, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GET TO LIKE THE REAL ROOT OF LIKE, WHAT REAL ACCOUNTABILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A VERY PUNITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IF KPD, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THEY FILL UP ON GAS, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO PROVIDE THAT RECEIPT AND THAT RECEIPT GETTING POSTED AND, AND SOMEONE SEES THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY IT COSTS $23 TO FILL UP, BUT THEN ANOTHER DAY IT COSTS $46 TO FILL UP. LIKE, WHAT'S THAT ABOUT? LIKE, ARE THEY SPENDING EXTRA MONEY? I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A THAT SORT OF ENVIRONMENT AND THAT LENS OVER STAFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ROOT OUT WHATEVER ISSUES IT IS THAT YOU FEEL EXIST, THAT DOESN'T REALLY GET TO IT. AND SO I THINK I MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE REASONING FOR ITEM 21. DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH LIKE ACTUAL FOUND ISSUES? IS IT BASED ON OBLIGATIONS THAT YOU MADE WHEN YOU RAN? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL INTENT AND PURPOSE OF IT, SO THAT WAY I CAN ON HONESTLY TRY TO HELP FIGURE OUT LIKE, OKAY, HOW DO WE CREATE A REAL POLICY THAT GETS TO JUST THE ROOT OF IT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS OKAY. THANK YOU. I KIND OF SEE BOTH SIDES. RIGHT? RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 
          TRANSPARENCY. THAT'S ALL WE WANT. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S SPENDING MONEY ON, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HEAR IT ALL OVER THE PLACE WE GOT. YES I READ THAT ARTICLE ABOUT THAT EMPLOYEE IN AUSTIN. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON. OF COURSE, WE HAD OUR ISSUES HERE. 
          I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF CREDIT CARDS THAT HAVE A LOT OF NUMBERS, THOSE NUMBERS COULD GET INTO THE WRONG HANDS. IF IT GETS DISPLAYED ON FACEBOOK OR NO, NOT FACEBOOK, BUT IT'S GOING TO GET DISPLAYED ON A WEBSITE. HOW SECURE WOULD WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT WEBSITE? WHAT WOULD BE THE COST TO MAKE SURE THAT WEBSITE IS IN REAL TIME? IT IS. IT IS MANDATED. AND WHO WOULD BE THE ONES THAT ARE REPORTING? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY THAT REPORTS EVERY TIME THEY NEED TO GO GET BALLOONS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OR FOR THE PARKS? OR AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE FUEL STATIONS FOR OUR TRUCKS YET. WE DON'T. SO THESE MAINTENANCE WORKERS OR POLICE OR WHOEVER IT IS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC CARD TO GO IN FUEL AND IT MAKES THAT POINT THERE. IT'S LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT ONE TRUCKS GETTING IF THERE'S SOMEBODY GOING TO REALLY DISSECT AND THERE COULD BE ONE TRUCK FILLED UP FOR $65, THE OTHER ONE WAS 71. IS THAT PERSON GOING TO FEEL LIKE, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO GET MY NAME OUT THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S UP HIGH. BUT IS BRIAN, IS THERE ALREADY SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT YOU HAVE FOR EACH DEPARTMENT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEIR EXPENSES, WHETHER IT'S MONTHLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, TO WHERE IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A CHECKS AND BALANCE KIND OF DEAL FROM THAT ALREADY. IT'S ALREADY IS THERE A POLICY ALREADY SET THAT YOU HAVE ON THAT MEASURE THERE? MAYBE SOME OF MY QUESTION AS WELL. IS THERE SOMETHING ALREADY IN PLACE? YEAH. BECAUSE I KNOW WE GET OUR COMPENSATION ANNUAL REPORT EVERY YEAR THAT SHOWS ALL OUR EXPENDITURES. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING I THINK WHAT MAYBE THIS IS WHAT COUNCILMEMBER GO'S IS TRYING TO GET AT IS EACH EVERY CREDIT CARD THAT THAT A CITY EMPLOYEE USES, THAT WE HAVE A DOCUMENTATION OF OF THAT. 
          YES, SIR. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THAT. SO YES, WE DO HAVE A PROCUREMENT CARD POLICY. WE 
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ALSO HAVE A PROCUREMENT POLICY AS WELL FOR EACH OF THE PROCUREMENT CARDS THAT ARE GIVEN TO EMPLOYEES, THERE ARE MONTHLY LIMITS TO WHAT THOSE CARDS CAN BE SPENT ON IN TERMS OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE HAVE. THERE'S ALSO TRANSACTION LIMITS, INDIVIDUAL TRANSACTIONS AND MONTHLY LIMITS ON WHAT THEY CAN BE. THOSE DEPARTMENT CARDS HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY SUPERVISORS. 
          AFTER THOSE CHARGES ARE MADE, THE SUPERVISORS REVIEW THE CHARGES AND EITHER ACCEPT OR DENY THE CHARGES. IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, THE RECEIPTS ARE THEN DOCUMENTED. THEY GO TO THE PROCUREMENT OFFICE. JOSHUA CROWLEY'S HERE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. THEY'RE REVIEWED THERE. SO THERE IS A PROCESS THAT'S LOOKED AT THERE. THOSE ARE ALSO CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL AUDIT, WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY IN, AN ANNUAL FINANCIAL AUDIT, AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT FIRM DOES THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR THE CITY. THOSE RESULTS WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU MOST LIKELY IN EARLY MARCH. BUT THE PROCUREMENT CARDS ARE A CLEAR PART OF THAT AUDIT AND THEY ARE LOOKED AT. WITH THAT SAID, IF COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY ON THOSE, WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO POST THAT INFORMATION. IF WE POSTED THAT INFORMATION, THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS WOULD BE REDACTED AND THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO REDACT THAT INFORMATION, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS NOT SHARED ONLINE. THAT WOULD BE SOME COST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS. WE'D BE HAPPY TO TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL TO DO IT. I WILL SAY THAT A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT CREDIT CARDS AND PROCUREMENT CARDS IS WHAT WE CALL THEM FOR EMPLOYEES. THESE ARE MEANT TO BE FOR LOW DOLLAR, HIGH VOLUME PURCHASES, THAT THERE ARE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO PROCURE THAT GOOD OR SERVICE, THAT IF YOU WENT THROUGH A MORE TRADITIONAL PURCHASE ORDER OR TYPICAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS, IT WOULD COST YOU MORE TO GET THAT GOOD OR SERVICE. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THEM. IT'S EFFICIENCY, AND IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE IN OUR PURCHASING PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE. BUT THE PROCUREMENT CARDS THEMSELVES ARE RELATIVELY SMALL. PORTION OF THE OVERALL SPEND THAT THE CITY HAS PURCHASE ORDERS THAT WE HAVE, CERTAINLY PAYROLL. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE PART OF THE LARGER EXPENSE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY. AND THROUGH THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO FOR TRANSPARENCY IS WE TRY TO PROVIDE THE ONLINE BUDGET BOOK. I THINK WE HAD A PRESENTATION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT THAT, ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO SHOW WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THOSE EXPENSES BY DEPARTMENT, BY DIVISION. SO YOU CAN SEE REAL TIME INFORMATION. IT'S NOT JUST PROCUREMENT CARD INFORMATION, IT'S ALL EXPENSES THAT ARE THERE. SO I OFFER THAT INFORMATION JUST AS YOU CONSIDER THE ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE WITH THAT. BUT WE'RE HERE TO TO TRY TO ADDRESS IN ANY WAY THAT YOU SEE FIT. I WANT TO SAY I DO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER KOZA'S INTENT ON THIS. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I KNOW THAT WE WE WANT TO START LOOKING BACK AT WHAT OUR EXPENSES ARE. WE WANT TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT IN THAT SENSE, RIGHT? WE ESPECIALLY NOW, THIS WAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST BUDGETS WE'VE HAD FOR THE CITY. AND SO THAT'S BEEN ON A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS. SO HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT DOING SOMETHING THAT SHE'S REQUESTING ON THIS, AND HOW WOULD WE PROCESS THAT IN A MORE TRANSPARENT WAY, BUT ALSO MORE SECURE WAY? LIKE YOU SAID, I KNOW WE COULD REDACT THE NUMBERS, BUT TO MAKE IT MORE ACCURATE TO WHERE IT BALANCES OUT TO WHERE RESIDENTS, IN THE END, IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT COULD BE ABLE TO SEE. THIS IS WHERE OUR DEPARTMENTS AT. THIS IS WHERE PUBLIC WORKS IS AT. AND AS FAR AS THE BUDGET GOES, I MEAN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT DEPARTMENTAL INFORMATION IS ALREADY ONLINE, THAT DIVISION INFORMATION IS REAL TIME INFORMATION THAT CAN BE SEEN. YOU CAN SEE THOSE EXPENSES CURRENTLY THAT'S THERE. THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE BUDGET THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, COUNCIL MEMBER, IS THE $600 MILLION. IT'S ALL MOSTLY CAPITAL. ABOUT 450 MILLION OF THAT IS CAPITAL. SO THOSE ARE BIG PROJECTS. AND THOSE PROJECTS WE HAVE TRACKING PAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE SHOW THE STATUS OF THOSE, THOSE COSTS AND WHAT ARE HAPPENING. 
          BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. PERHAPS THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO SHOW THAT IF IT'S WE'RE TRYING, BUT IF WE'RE NOT HITTING THE MARK ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT ANY WAY THAT YOU THINK IS HELPFUL. BUT I THINK WE SIMPLY IF THE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN POSTING THIS INFORMATION, WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK WITH A POLICY OF HOW IT WOULD BE REDACTED AND GIVE YOU THAT KIND OF FISCAL INFORMATION, HOW TO DO IT, OR DESIGN A NEW WEBSITE OR SOMETHING TO WHERE CITY OF KYLE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENCY PAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE COULD JUST SAY THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. AND IT ALSO SHOWS IF WE TRAVEL AS WELL, OR JUST WHERE ALL OUR TRAVEL EXPENSES ARE, LIKE, WHERE HAVE WE BEEN? AND SO FORTH. IF PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S GOOD, I YIELD. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HIT EVERYBODY UP BEFORE WE TALK TWICE. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION OR MAYBE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. 
          MR. LANGLEY, YOU MENTIONED THAT EVERY YEAR WE DO AN EXTERNAL AUDIT FOR CITY STAFF, CREDIT CARD USAGE. WE DO AN EXTERNAL FINANCIAL AUDIT, AND A COMPONENT OF THAT IS LOOKING AT 
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OUR PROCUREMENT CARDS, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR PROCUREMENT PROGRAMS. THAT IS PART OF THE REVIEW THAT YOUR AUDITOR PERFORMS. THAT AUDITOR ALSO REPORTS DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT TO ME. THEY COME HERE ANNUALLY AND PROVIDE THAT PRESENTATION OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. WOULD YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON THAT? SORRY, I DIDN'T ASK. I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY BAD. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CERTAIN MR. PEREZ. NO, I WANT TO SAY 150 TO $200,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I MAY BE MISSING THE NUMBER. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR THE RECORD, ON PERVEZ, MY CITY'S DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. THE QUESTION IS THE COST OF THE AUDIT OR THE MONTHLY AMOUNT WE SPEND IN CREDIT CARDS KNOW HOW MUCH WE SPEND ON THE AUDIT BEING THAT IT'S EXTERNAL AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING OUR CITY STAFF IS DOING. IT'S ABOUT 160,000 IN ROUND NUMBERS. OKAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW FOR CITY CARDS THAT'S DONE INTERNALLY BY YOUR DEPARTMENT, CORRECT. FOR CITY COUNCIL, WE DO NOT AUDIT ANY ANY CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS. OKAY. IS THAT HANDLED EXTERNALLY AS WELL? THEN THE EXTERNAL AUDITORS LOOK AT ALL OUR TRANSACTIONS OKAY. INCLUDING REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES OKAY. BUT THEY DO NOT EXAMINE 100% OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS. THEY DO RANDOM SAMPLING TESTING. GOT IT. JUST TRYING TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AUDIT ITSELF COVERS, SINCE THIS WILL BE MY FIRST TIME SEEING ONE NOW INTERNALLY WHEN CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS ARE PROCESSED, THEY'RE REVIEWED BY THE EMPLOYEE THAT'S INCURRING THE EXPENSE. THEY PROCESS OR UPLOAD THEIR INVOICES, RECEIPTS. THEN IT GOES TO THE NEXT LEVEL REVIEW, WHICH WOULD BE THEIR SUPERVISOR. 
          AND ULTIMATELY THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL CREDIT CARDS FOR THAT DEPARTMENT. THEN IT GOES THROUGH JOSHUA CRANLEY AND HIS TEAM. THEY REVIEW. IT GOES THROUGH THE ACCOUNTING STAFF. THEY MAKE SURE THAT THE ACCOUNTING ATTRIBUTES ARE RIGHT, THAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE CORRECTLY CHARGING TO THE CORRECT LINE, ITEMS TO THE CORRECT DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE BANK AUTOMATICALLY WITHDRAWS THE MONTHLY AMOUNT CHARGED. SO THAT HAPPENS UPFRONT. AND THEN THE CREDIT CARDS ARE PROCESSED. 
          OKAY. AND THEN WOULD YOU SAY I THINK I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, BUT WOULD YOU SAY THAT? THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE PROCESS, THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT CARDS AND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT IT GOES THROUGH TO BE PROCESSED, THAT THAT STAFF COMPENSATION FOR THAT TO BE DONE IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS FOR OURS TO BE PROCESSED OR MORE, SINCE THERE'S MORE STAFF MEMBERS, IT'S SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENTS CITYWIDE. THOSE EXPENSES ARE GOING TO INCUR REGARDLESS. THOSE ARE THEY'RE HAPPENING EVERY MONTH. SO IF THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE ADDING ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THIS ADDITIONAL REQUEST, THERE WILL BE SLIGHT COST BUT NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COST. AND FOR REDACTED INFORMATION SUCH AS THE CARD NUMBERS, IS THERE ANY OTHER SENSITIVE INFORMATION ON EACH RECEIPT THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE REDACTED? SO THE THE STATEMENTS ARE ELECTRONIC IN ELECTRONIC FORMAT. SO FOR EXAMPLE MY CARD IT WILL HAVE CITY OF KYLE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. IT WILL HAVE MY CARD NUMBER BUT NOT THE ENTIRE 16 DIGITS. IT WILL HAVE JUST THE LAST FOUR DIGITS. AND THEN IT WILL HAVE ALL THE TRANSACTIONS. THEN WHEN I RECEIVE THAT STATEMENT FOR THE MONTH, I UPLOAD ALL MY RECEIPTS. IT'S SCANNED IN. THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO IF WE WERE TO UPLOAD, AS I THINK REQUESTED IN THE LINE ITEM, THE ACTUAL RECEIPTS TO A CITY WEBSITE, ASIDE FROM REDACTING PART OF THAT CREDIT CARD NUMBER, WOULD THERE BE OTHER SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REDACTED ON THE RECEIPT ITSELF UNDER STATE LAW? I WANT TO NOTE THE LAST FOUR WOULD BE REDACTED TO PREVENT ANY KIND OF ACCESS CODE INFORMATION TO ACCESS THE ACCOUNTS. SO THAT WOULD BE ON EVERY RECEIPT, PROBABLY, OR AT LEAST ON EVERY SORRY, ON EVERY STATEMENT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE IT. AND THEN SOME RECEIPTS DO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU DO YOUR TRANSACTION, SOME DON'T. THE OTHER THING I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT COULD BE IMMEDIATELY SENSITIVE IS THE CITY IS NOT PERMITTED TO RELEASE PERSONAL INFORMATION ABOUT EMPLOYEES. SO IF YOUR PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER IS ON THE RECEIPT FOR SOME REASON BECAUSE YOU BUY IT FROM A COMPANY AND THAT'S THE NUMBER, YOU GIVE OUT PURCHASE ORDERS FOR THAT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I CAN THINK OF IMMEDIATELY. THERE MAY BE OTHERS. THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD APPEAR ON RECEIPTS. I ONLY SEE THE ONES I SEE AND I SEE LIKE SPECIFIC TYPES OF RECEIPTS, BECAUSE HONESTLY, MOST OF MY CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS ARE AG OPINIONS. SO THAT HAS DIFFERENT 
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INFORMATION THAN YOU MIGHT HAVE IF YOU GO TO WALMART OR HEB A LOT. SO I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE IS. I KNOW THAT IT DOES TAKE SUBSTANTIAL TIME FOR JENNIFER'S STAFF CURRENTLY TO REDACT THE COUNCIL CREDIT RECEIPTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OVER HERE? ALL RIGHT, SO I DO. I'M SORRY, I ROBERTS. MR. MOHIT, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE. IF EVERYBODY'S ALREADY SPOKEN ONCE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T. SO I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT HAVE GOTTEN BROUGHT UP IN THIS DISCUSSION. AND SO I'M GOING TO PREFACE WITH THE FACT THAT BOTH AUSTIN AND HOUSTON HAVE ANNUAL AUDITS. AND BOTH OF THEM WITHIN ANOTHER AUDIT FOUND MAJOR ISSUES. AND SO YOU CAN'T PAY ME ENOUGH FOR US TO BUILD TRUST WITH OUR COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T REALLY WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE COST IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE DO SOMETHING. SO MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU IS GOING TO BE HOW MANY STAFF CREDIT CARDS DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE? I BELIEVE IT'S CLOSE TO 100 ACTIVE CARDS, 9393 ACTIVE CARDS. DO. WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY STAFF CREDIT CARDS WE HAD A YEAR AGO AND THEN TWO YEARS AGO AND THEN THREE YEARS AGO? NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CARDS AS WE HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES OVER THE YEARS. OKAY, SO WE HAVE 93 CREDIT CARDS. SO AM I CORRECT? I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS REVIEW THE CREDIT CARDS. TECHNICALLY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ENTIRE BUDGET. OKAY, SO WHO PAYS THE CREDIT CARDS? SO THE CREDIT CARDS THE BANK AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCTS FROM OUR ACCOUNT CITY'S BANK ACCOUNT EACH MONTH. THEN THE DEPARTMENTS RECONCILE THEIR INDIVIDUAL CREDIT CARDS. SO IF THERE ARE PERSONAL EXPENSES BY MISTAKE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO MAKE MISTAKES. THEY REIMBURSE THE CITY BACK. BUT THAT HAPPENS AFTER THE BANK HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID AND THAT'S CAUGHT BY YOU. 
          OR IS THAT CAUGHT BY TYPICALLY IS AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL. THEY'LL CATCH IT OR THE PURCHASING STAFF WILL CATCH IT. SO WHAT WHAT WHAT DO YOU SEE LIKE IF IF DURING THE PROCESS I IS YOUR CITY FINANCE DIRECTOR. YES. AND YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE WE HAVE WE'RE IN GOOD STANDING AND PAYING THINGS. RIGHT. SO DO YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS? I DID NOT SEE THE INDIVIDUAL STATEMENTS OF THE 93 CREDIT CARDS THAT WE HAVE. I DO NOT SEE THE RECEIPTS THAT WE HAVE. I'M RELYING AND TRUSTING THE PROCESS OF INDIVIDUAL REVIEW AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. WHAT I SEE IS THE BANK STATEMENT AT THE END OF THE MONTH, THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT IS DEDUCTED FROM THE BANK FOR CREDIT CARD CHARGES. OKAY, SO HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND ON CREDIT CARDS LAST MONTH? IT RANGES. IT'S NOT A SET AMOUNT EVERY MONTH. IT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM $250,000 TO ABOUT TWO, 92, 85 SOMEWHERE THERE. SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY WE'LL JUST SAY $275,000 A MONTH IN CREDIT CARDS. AND THOSE ARE BEING OVERSEEN BY THE CITY OR THE DIRECTORS FOR EFFICIENCY, THE EMPLOYEES, THE SUPERVISORS, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENTS, YOU HAVE THE PURCHASING STAFF, THE THAT REVIEW THOSE AND THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE STUFF. OKAY, I'M GOING TO DO SOME QUICK MATH REAL QUICK BECAUSE THESE ARE THESE ARE QUICKLY ADDING UP. AND IT KIND OF MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE IF WE HAVE 275,000, GIVE OR TAKE, AND 12 MONTHS, WE'RE LOOKING AT $3.3 MILLION. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IF WE AVERAGED IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $3.3 MILLION, AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON PUTTING IT. THIS INFORMATION ONLINE. I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND THAT. WELL, I DON'T THINK PUTTING ON A LINE IS GOING TO CHANGE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. I WILL SAY IT CHANGED IT FOR THE COUNCIL WHEN WE WERE WHEN I WAS JUST A RESIDENT, AND WE ALL OF A SUDDEN STARTED POSTING IT AND SAID, WE WANT SOME ACCOUNTABILITY NOW, DO I THINK IT'S THE THE THE RESIDENT'S JOB? I DO NOT, BUT WHAT I DO THINK IS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, IF WE'RE SPENDING $3.3 MILLION ON CREDIT CARDS, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND WE CAN'T DO IT. IT'S I MEAN, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE, BUT IT IS SOMEBODY AND IT'S OUR JOB AS A COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT'S GETTING DONE. SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE DOING TO TO TO ENSURE THAT IF WE COULD PUT IT ONLINE, MAYBE WE CAN JUST GO HOME AND LOOK AT IT OR THE THE RESIDENTS CAN AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I MEAN, I'VE LIVED THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DID START LOOKING INTO IT AS RESIDENTS AND WE SAID, OKAY, SOME OF THESE THINGS DIDN'T SEEM TO ADD 
          [02:10:04]
UP TO WHAT WE AS TAXPAYERS WANTED TO SPEND MONEY ON. BUT WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING $275,000 A MONTH, GIVE OR TAKE, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SOME MORE OVERSIGHT OR SOME CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT IS BEING SPENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FINANCIAL DIRECTOR WHO DOESN'T SEE THE STATEMENTS, AND THAT IS WORRISOME. OKAY. AND TO MY POINT WAS, AGAIN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU SAY WE'RE OVER HERE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST, YET WE'RE SPENDING THIS MUCH IN CREDIT CARDS. MY THING IS, IS THAT YES, IT'S BEING TRANSPARENT TO THE TO THE RESIDENTS. I GUESS MY THING IS, IS THAT WOULD THIS HAVE TO BE ANOTHER SECTION OR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE HIRED TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS? AND WHAT IS THAT COST GOING TO BE ON ON THAT END? AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AS FAR AS WHAT IT IS. WE HAVE TO I GUESS THE BREAKDOWN WOULD BE WHAT IS WITHIN THAT $3.2 MILLION. IS IT FUEL? IS IT OTHER ITEMS THAT THAT EACH DEPARTMENT WOULD NEED OR IF IT'S EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH THAT'S REQUIRED, MAYBE RENTING EQUIPMENT FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OR FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THOSE MAY REQUIRE A SPECIFIC DOWN PAYMENT ON CREDIT CARDS. BUT BUT I GET WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL YOU ARE TRYING TO GET AT. I'M NOT ARGUING THAT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO DO. YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF WHAT THE CITY IS SPENDING ON THAT. I AM NOT ARGUING THAT. I AM NOT DEBATING BECAUSE IT IS TRUE. 
          IT'S NOT. YES, IT'S MY MONEY. IT'S ALSO YOUR MONEY. AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE IT'S AT. 
          RIGHT? I NEED TO SEE SOME YES OR NO'S OUT THERE. OKAY, SO I GET WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO GET AT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AS A COUNCIL KNOW AS WELL HOW MANY OF US KNEW $3.3 MILLION WERE BEING SPENT ON CREDIT CARDS. YES. SO IT'S NOT JUST TRANSPARENCY FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT'S FOR US WHO IS. IT'S OUR JOB TO ENSURE THAT WE GIVE OVERSIGHT. AND IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT, THEN WHO'S GOING TO? THAT'S WHERE I THINK A LOT OF IT IS, IS THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON OUR CITY MANAGER AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING SPENT, THAT THEY THAT IT IS BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU BUILD THAT TRUST IN THAT SENSE, OKAY. YOU'RE PAYING A LEADER THAT CAN'T DO THAT. NO, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS HAS THE FLOOR. SO $3 MILLION IS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET, OUR GENERAL BUDGET, ABOUT 3%. FOR CREDIT CARDS, NOT FOR ROADS, NOT FOR STREETS, JUST OPERATING LIGHTS. THE OPERATING. YEAH. OPERATING BUDGET. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER SORRY. GO AHEAD. SO I THINK ONE I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF TAKING NUMBERS OUT OF CONTEXT THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR MONGERING AND MISTRUST THAT WE ARE STARTING TO BUILD TOWARDS OUR CITY STAFF, THAT I DON'T THINK WE AS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF MICROMANAGING WHAT IT IS THAT OUR STAFF DOES. IT IS NOT WHO WE ARE. WE ARE A LEGISLATIVE BODY. THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONS BELONG UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF. AND WHAT WE HAVE HEARD IS NOT THAT THERE IS NOT A PROCESS. THERE IS A PROCESS THAT EXISTS, AND THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO US. WE DO HAVE AN EXTERNAL AUDIT. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE IF WE COULD JUST ALSO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW TRADITIONALLY AUDITS ARE PERFORMED, BECAUSE IT IS IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT IN LIKE EXTERNAL AUDITS LIKE THAT, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR EXTERNAL INDEPENDENT AUDITS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DO EVERY SINGLE YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE AN INTERNAL AUDIT DEPARTMENT THAT DOES THAT. SO I THINK ONE, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE AUDITS THAT ARE PERFORMED, HOW AUDITS ARE PERFORMED AND WHAT OUR ROLE IS AS COUNCIL, BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE ARE PROCUREMENT CARDS, NOT NECESSARILY CREDIT CARDS. THEY PROVIDE AN OPERATIONAL FUNCTION AND THE NUMBERS TAKEN OUTSIDE OF CONTEXT CAN EASILY BE MISCONSTRUED, AND THEY CAN EASILY BE USED TO TARGET CITY STAFF. AND TO ME, THAT IS A VERY UNFAIR THING THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE 
          [02:15:05]
THOSE ARE OPERATIONAL COSTS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS WITHIN EVERY BUSINESS, WITHIN EVERY CITY, WITHIN EVERY COUNTY, WITHIN EVERY STATE DEPARTMENT, FEDERAL AGENCY. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT EXIST. AND WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS. WE JUST HAD IT OUTLINED TO US WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, WHAT WE ARE. I THINK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IN WHAT I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO THAT WAY I CAN HELP GET TO THE ROOT OF OF WHATEVER THE ISSUES THAT YOU ALL FEEL DO EXIST. WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW DO WE ACTUALLY DO THAT VERSUS SPENDING TIME PLACING AND JUST BUILDING MISTRUST WITH OUR STAFF WHO HAVE ALREADY, LIKE I SAID, OUTLINED THAT THERE IS A PROCESS AND THAT WE DO HAVE THESE EXTERNAL, INDEPENDENT AUDITS THAT HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE YEAR AND THAT THAT AUDITOR DOESN'T, THAT THAT AUDITOR ACTUALLY COMES TO COUNCIL, DOESN'T REPORT TO OUR CITY MANAGER, BUT REPORTS DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL. I THINK, LIKE I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE THE FEAR AND THE TREPIDATION BECAUSE OF THE COSTS THAT AND THE NUMBERS THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT EVERY DATA ANALYST WILL TELL YOU AND UNDERSTAND THAT NUMBERS WITHOUT CONTEXT DON'T MEAN ANYTHING, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THIS INFORMATION EXISTS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT'S GIVEN TO US EVERY BUDGET SEASON, EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GO OVER THE BUDGET AND HAVE OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS, THOSE THINGS ARE DISCUSSED. AND. I'M JUST FEARFUL OF CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE MICROMANAGE OUR STAFF, WHERE THERE IS NOT A TRUST THAT IS PLACED IN IN OUR INDEPENDENT AUDITORS THAT PERFORM THE AUDITS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. AND THAT, LIKE I SAID, JUST TAKES NUMBERS OUTSIDE OF CONTEXT, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THOSE ARE OPERATIONAL COSTS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS COULD FILL UP THEIR TANK FOR $75 OR NOT. I JUST I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT I UNDERSTAND AND VALIDATE THE EMOTIONS THAT EXIST, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS A MUCH BETTER WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? CAN I COMMENT? SO WE HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE FOR THE COUNCIL CREDIT CARDS. AND AS I WAS GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING, LIKE BECAUSE THEY WERE LISTED ONLINE, I WAS ABLE TO PICK OUT AN ALCOHOL PURCHASE THAT WAS PAID FOR THAT WAS NOT DEDUCTED OUT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS PAY. 
          THERE WERE MEDICAL MEDICINES WHICH WERE CLEARLY AGAINST POLICY BECAUSE THEY ARE PERSONAL ITEMS. THOSE WERE ALSO PAID FOR BY THE CITY. THOSE THINGS WERE MISSED. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE. WHEN I PULLED CITY MANAGER'S CREDIT CARDS, WE COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS A LUNCH WHERE WIVES WENT ALONG. THERE WAS NO CITY BUSINESS CONDUCTED, SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PERSONAL LUNCH, NOT PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS. PULLING THOSE CREDIT CARDS ALSO SAID, HEY, THERE IS A $200 PER PERSON MEAL THAT WAS DONE AT ONE OF THE VISIONING WORKSHOPS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT FIND THAT TO BE THE BEST USE OF OUR TAXPAYER FUNDS. AND SO WITHOUT HAVING THAT ACCESS TO THAT, YOU'RE LIMITING WHAT PEOPLE SEE, AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THAT TYPE OF SPENDING, BUT IT'S NOT. THEY EITHER HAVE TO REQUEST IT VIA PUBLIC RECORD OR THEY JUST DON'T GET TO SEE IT IN ORDER TO KNOW THOSE THINGS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE A VOICE IN THOSE THINGS. ALL RIGHT. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. IN COMPARISON TO THE POLICY THAT COUNCIL HAD IN REGARDS TO THE CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARDS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROCUREMENT CARDS HAVE EXTRA ADDED LAYERS OF POLICY AND OVERSIGHT THAN CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARDS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, I WOULD SAY THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES. CAN WE KIND OF JUST GO OVER WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES ARE, SINCE THERE'S COMPARISONS BEING MADE RIGHT NOW? YEAH. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT ALL AT MY FINGERTIPS, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. ONE THING I WOULD WOULD OFFER TO THE COUNCIL IS WE COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK WITH AN OVERVIEW OF PROCUREMENT AND EXPENSES, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WHAT ARE THE 
          [02:20:01]
MAJOR CATEGORIES OF COSTS THAT YOU SEE? WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ABOUT AREAS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DETAIL ON, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF COST. IT'S A BIG ORGANIZATION, LOTS OF TRANSACTIONS AND LOTS OF DOLLARS THAT GO THROUGH IT. AND SO GIVING YOU CONTEXT ABOUT ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO YOU COULD TRY TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS A MAJOR AREA THAT YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON. THE OTHER THING I WOULD I WOULD MENTION TO YOU IS WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD A RISK ASSESSMENT THROUGH WEAVER WAS AN OUTSIDE FIRM THAT WE RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCIL THAT BE HIRED TO DO A RISK ASSESSMENT OF ALL OF OUR ACTIVITIES ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION AND TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE WHICH OF THOSE HAD MORE RISK AND MORE DOLLARS AT STAKE, AND WHICH OF THEM NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT IN MORE DEPTH. WE PRESENTED THAT TO COUNCIL A FEW MONTHS AGO. I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT DATE NOW THAT I'M MENTIONING IT, BUT IT WAS RELATIVELY RECENTLY THAT WE BROUGHT THAT TO YOU. PROCUREMENT CARDS IS ONE OF THOSE HIGH RISK ACTIVITIES. IT'S ALWAYS SEEN AS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT IN MORE DETAIL. WE COULD CERTAINLY DO ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT TO LOOK AT THAT AS A PROCUREMENT CARD AUDIT. RIGHT NOW, WE'VE ENGAGED A FIRM TO LOOK AT PAYROLL. NO, PAYROLL IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. BUT PAYROLL IS ONE OF THE LARGEST EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE. AND TO MAKE SURE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S COVERED IN THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL AUDIT, EXTERNAL FINANCIAL AUDIT, THAT WE DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK ON THAT AND PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THOSE DOLLARS ARE SPENT THE RIGHT WAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALREADY CURRENTLY DOING. YOU COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF PROCUREMENT CARDS, MORE REVIEW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST PUT THEM ONLINE. WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN TO BE HELPFUL IN THIS REGARD. BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON IN THE CITY THAT THAT ARE WORTHY OF DISCUSSION AS WE GO THROUGH IT. SO THAT'S BEEN OUR MINDSET AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE THINGS HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, TO MAKE SURE WE SPEND DOLLARS WISELY. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO JUST STATE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT MICROMANAGING. IT'S NOT FEAR MONGERING. IT'S NOT MISTRUST. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST OUR STAFF. IT'S ACTUALLY, ACCORDING TO OUR CITY'S CHARTER, OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND AND IF PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE VERBIAGE, IT'S IT STATES THAT WE ARE AS COUNCIL TO PROVIDE FOR AND CONTROL ALL CITY FINANCES. SO WE CAN'T CONTROL IT IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. AND SO YES, I AGREE THAT $3.3 MILLION IS A BIG NUMBER AND MAYBE I'M WRONG. 
          MAYBE THERE'S NO NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. ALL YOU HAVE TO, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, LOOK AT THE STATEMENTS AND SHOW US. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I'M NOT UP HERE TO BE ANYBODY'S FRIEND. I'M NOT UP HERE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ELECTED ME TO DO SO. SO MOVING FORWARD, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION OR IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE ANY DIRECTION TO STAFF, BUT I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED LONG ENOUGH THAT WE CAN WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          BRIAN, WOULD WE NEED SOMETHING IN THE FORM OF A MOTION TO BE MADE, OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO BRING BACK EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT BRINGING A RESOLUTION FOR THE TO BRING THE CONTEXT, THE PROCUREMENT CARDS TO REVIEW AT ANOTHER, AT ANOTHER MEETING OR THE NEXT MEETING TO GIVE US A RUNDOWN OF OF WHAT THE EXPENDITURES ARE? OR WOULD YOU ACTUALLY NEED A MOTION LIKE CONTAINING AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21? WHAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST FOR YOU? I THINK THE CLEANEST THING FOR ME IS IF COUNCIL WANTED TO DIRECT US TO DO THAT, TO GIVE US THAT DIRECTION AS A MOTION WOULD BE FINE. TO BRING BACK A POLICY DISCUSSION AND AN OVERVIEW OF PROCUREMENT. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE OR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT AS PART OF THIS, I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE DIRECTION IS ON THE COUNCIL, BUT IF THAT'S DIRECTION YOU NEED, YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US ANY WAY YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THAT PROBABLY AS A MOTION IS THE SIMPLEST WAY. OKAY. WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A POLICY IN REFERENCING TO PROCUREMENT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. I'M TRYING TO FIND THE VERBIAGE FOR IT, BUT TO BRING BACK SOMETHING TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE A REVIEW OF THE CARDS AND CONTEXT OF HOW THE OPERATION WORKS AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET IT, AS FAR AS WHAT TO MAKE IT MORE IN THE LEGAL SENSE. SO YOU WANT A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY'S USE OF CREDIT CARDS, THE ISSUE ON THE CREDIT CARDS, AND THEN ALSO TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT A FORMULA POLICY. IN THAT SENSE, WE HAVE A PROCUREMENT POLICY THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL. WE CAN BRING THAT BACK ALONG WITH THE DISCUSSION OF CREDIT CARDS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF HAS CLEAR DIRECTION. YES. DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS IS MAKING A MOTION FOR MY OWN WORDS TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT RIGHT. BUT YOU WANT THAT YOU'D LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PRESENTATION OF THE PROCUREMENT POLICY, INCLUDING DETAILS ABOUT 
          [02:25:02]
PROCUREMENT PROGRAM, PROCUREMENT CARD PROGRAM, PURCHASE ORDERS AND OVERALL SPEND OF HOW THOSE ARE PROCESSED, MANAGED AND REVIEWED. DO YOU WANT ANYTHING ADDED? BECAUSE I THOUGHT ANYTHING ADDED, I ONLY WANTED IT TO BE THE RESOLUTION CREATING A POLICY TO REQUIRE THE POSTING OF ALL CREDIT CARD EXPENSES, ASSOCIATED RECEIPTS AND OTHER SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. I WAS NOT WILLING TO. I WAS NOT WANTING TO OVERVIEW ALL OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY READ IT. OKAY, SO I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION. THEN I'D LIKE TO GO AND AMEND MY MOTION TO GO WITH CONSIDERATION, DIRECTING CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION, CREATING A POLICY TO REQUIRE THE POSTING OF CREDIT CARD EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH RECEIPTS AND OTHER SUPPORTING INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. SECOND, SO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND VOTE ON ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SECOND ON THE MOTION. WAS THERE? NO, I SECOND THAT THERE WAS A SECOND. SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION AS IT STANDS IS THE AGENDA ITEM. AND MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS. SECOND BY SECOND COUNCILMEMBER GOSA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THE MOTION. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SURE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT. 
          AND AT NO POINT HAVE I FELT LIKE OUR STAFF HAS DONE ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE. AT NO POINT HAVE I FELT LIKE THEY EXCEEDED OUR ALLOWABLE BUDGET ON ITEMS. OUR NEWEST UPDATE ON OUR WEBSITE GOES INTO EXTREME DETAIL ON WHERE OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GO. WHILE I. I DO NOT AT ALL DISAGREE WITH THE INTENT BEHIND THIS BECAUSE I AM 100% IN FAVOR OF TRANSPARENCY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEST USE OF OUR STAFF'S RESOURCES. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS I, I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS. WHICH WOULD DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK INFORMATION. I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THIS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. I'D LIKE TO SEE A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF IT. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THE INSTANCES WHERE STAFF FRAUD HAS OCCURRED, IT'S VERY RARELY BEEN CREDIT CARD USE. IT'S BEEN. 
          AND THEN SPECIFICALLY IN TALKING ABOUT THE AUSTIN ONE, IT WAS EXPENDITURES THAT WERE MADE BY HIGH LEVEL PURCHASING PERSON NOT ON A CREDIT CARD AND INULIN. IT WAS DIRECTLY BY THE MAYOR. SO IT'S THOSE THOSE WERE NOT CREDIT CARD ISSUES. SO I DON'T WANT US TO CONFOUND THE ISSUES. THIS IS VERY NARROW. IT IS AUDITED. IF WE WANT TO SEE MORE INFORMATION, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S THE PART I WOULD NOT LIKE JUST AUTOMATICALLY SAYING BRING BACK THE RESOLUTION NEXT. 
          I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE BRING IT BACK AND GIVE US MORE INFORMATION WOULD BE FOR ONCE THE RESOLUTION COMES BACK, WE CAN WE CAN HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE MAKE THIS DECISION. WELL, WE'RE JUST VOTING ON A POLICY TO BRING BACK A POLICY. SO WITHIN THAT POLICY, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION PRESENTED TO DISSECT, TAKE IN, TAKE OUT AND SO FORTH ON THAT. AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE BY THAT TIME WE WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION THERE PROVIDED BY THE CITY TO WHERE WE CAN, IF IT MEANS THAT THE POLICY THAT IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD, WE CAN AMEND WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN GO FROM THERE. I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A START. AND WE CAN WE CAN BUILD FROM THERE. AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU DON'T WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO APPROVE THIS POLICY WHEN IT COMES BACK. BUT IT'S GOING TO GIVE STAFF THE AUTHORITY BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF COUNCIL, WE CANNOT JUST WORK WITH STAFF IN ORDER TO GET THINGS DONE. WE HAVE TO DIRECT STAFF IN IN AN AREA WHERE WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO WORK ON AND THEN BRING IT BACK. AND THEN WHEN THEY BRING IT BACK, WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE REALLY I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY I WANT TO WASTE STAFF TIME, BUT IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT AND FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH IS SPENDING AND WHAT KIND OF POLICY THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS DIRECT THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS PART OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS. AND THIS IS I MEAN, YOU'RE TRYING TO RETROACTIVELY SECOND GUESS THE BUDGET. WELL, THE BUDGET DOESN'T START FOR US UNTIL FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO. LIKE WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THE BUDGET PRETTY QUICK. SO DO WE WANT TO DO THIS AFTER THE BUDGET TIME? I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION. WELL, IF THEY BRING BACK THE POLICY, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT. WE CAN JUST POSTPONE IT AFTER WE GET IT UNTIL THE BUDGET TIME AND THEN DISCUSS IT THEN. BUT AT LEAST WE CAN LOOK AT THE POLICY, GIVE OURSELVES TIME TO READ IT, AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. AND THEN IF WE DISAGREE WITH IT DURING THE BUDGET, WE CAN JUST SAY WE'RE NOT INTERESTED. IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST CONSIDERING 
          [02:30:02]
CONSIDERING HAVING THE MANAGER SEE TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION OF CREATING POLICY OF OF WHAT IS STATED HERE AND THEN AND THEN FROM THERE, I KNOW IT WOULD BE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS, BUT JUST FOR THE TRANSPARENCY REASON FOR THE FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT JUST SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE EXPENDITURES THAT THAT WE ARE HAVING AS A CITY IN ANOTHER SENSE. AND THAT'S THE WAY I GUESS I'LL SUPPORT THAT ON THAT END. CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? BECAUSE I THINK I'M GETTING JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A PRESENTATION THAT ENCOMPASSES ONE THING, AND THEN THIS AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE WHAT THE PRESENTATION, WHAT THE, THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT YOU MADE WAS. SO I THINK JUST SO THAT WAY I'M CLEAR. AND SO I THINK IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE WATCHING LISTENING AND THAT'S PRESENT. 
          WHAT THE MOTION IS RIGHT NOW IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT CREATING A POLICY TO REQUIRE THE POSTING OF ALL CREDIT CARD EXPENSES, ASSOCIATED RECEIPTS AND OTHER SUPPORTING INFORMATION TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE. CORRECT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PRESENTATION BEING BROUGHT BACK. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD ACTUALLY GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE. MEDINA. I MCKINNEY NO, ZAPATA. NO. FLORES. CAHILL. YES. GOZA. YES. TOBIAS. YES. MOTION PASSES 4 TO 2. I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. YOU DIDN'T CALL. NO. OKAY. MOTION PASSES 4 TO 3. 
          OKAY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WANT. CLEAR? I KNOW IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE EXACT ITEM. YES. OKAY. JUST BRING BACK A POLICY OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO POST THE INFORMATION. YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO CONSIDERING 
          [8) Consider approval of a resolution finding public convenience and necessity and authorizing the use of eminent domain to condemn if necessary a public utility drainage easement over two (2) parcels of land containing a total of 0.4478 acres (as described in Exhibit “A” to the Resolution) from certain real property owned by Presciliano Maldonado and Maria Hernandez Maldonado for the public use and purpose of construction of drainage improvements for the Kyle Parkway/Lehman Road extension project. (ROLL CALL VOTE REQUESTED)]
POSSIBLE ACTION AGENDA ITEM EIGHT. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION, FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, AND AUTHORIZING THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO CONDEMN, IF NECESSARY, A PUBLIC UTILITY DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER TWO PARCELS OF LAND CONTAINING A TOTAL OF 0.4478 ACRES FROM CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY. MALDONADO AND MARIA HERNANDEZ MALDONADO, FOR THE PUBLIC USE AND PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE KYLE PARKWAY SLASH LEHMANN ROAD EXTENSION, AND THIS WILL REQUIRE A ROLL CALL VOTE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHMITZ, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD. IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, CITY OF KYLE VOTERS APPROVED PROPOSITION A IT'S A ROAD BOND FOR EIGHT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ACROSS KYLE, TOTALING 10.3 TOTAL MILES OF NEW LOCATION RECONSTRUCTION AND WIDENING PROJECTS TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. THIS PROJECT WILL EXTEND LEHMANN ROAD FROM BUNTON CREEK ROAD TO DAISY LANE AND KYLE PARKWAY FROM DAISY LANE TO THE NEW LEHMANN ROAD. THE NEW SEGMENT WILL BE FOUR LANE ROADWAY, TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, A SIDEWALK ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE NEW ROADWAY, FOUR PROPOSED ROUNDABOUTS AT LEHMANN ROAD AND BUNTON CREEK ROAD, LEHMANN ROAD AND DAISY KYLE PARKWAY AND DAISY KYLE PARKWAY AND LEHMANN. THE PROJECT WILL IMPROVE MOBILITY AND REDUCE CONGESTION IN NORTHEAST KYLE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT LIMITS ON THE MAP THERE. THE BACKGROUND. WE ISSUED A TASK ORDER TO COB FINDLAY IN MARCH OF 2023 TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN OF THE ALIGNMENT AND DESIGN FEATURES WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF 2024. THE PROJECT WILL BEGIN IN SPRING OF 2026, WITH THE ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED IN FALL OF 2027. TO ACQUIRE, THE EASEMENTS NEEDED FOR DRAINAGE, SURVEY WAS COMPLETED IN APPRAISAL WAS PERFORMED ON THE NEEDED TRACT. PROPERTY INTERESTS INCLUDE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT OF 19,509FT■!S. IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE EASEMENT INCLUDE DRAINAGE, PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY REFERS TO THE COUNCIL DETERMINING WHETHER THE CITY'S ACQUISITION OF AN INTEREST IN A SPECIFIC PIECE OF REAL PROPERTY, SUCH AS AN EASEMENT OR FEE. 
          SIMPLE TITLE IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE A PARTICULAR PUBLIC USE FOR THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. IN THIS SITUATION, THE PCN FINDS THAT THE KYLE PARKWAY LEHMANN ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT IS NECESSARY AND REQUIRED TO PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THE ACQUISITION OF THE IDENTIFIED PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY ARE UNABLE TO REACH A 
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NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT, THE PCN AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO INITIATE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS, IF NECESSARY TO ACQUIRE THE NEEDED PROPERTY. SO TONIGHT, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, I DO. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM STAFF A TIMELINE OF HOW THIS PROCESS WORKED. AND SO I WAS ABLE TO GET A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF THE COMMUNICATION AND THE. NEGOTIATIONS BACK AND FORTH. SO MY FIRST CONCERN WITH THIS TIMELINE IS I SEE THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES COB, FINLEY, ATRIUM AND LOCHNER GROUP. SO IF I COULD HAVE IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE IN A COUPLE WORDS WHAT EACH OF THOSE COMPANIES DO. SURE. THE LOCHNER GROUP IS, IS THE GEC FOR THE ROAD BOND PROJECT. THEY ACT AS AN EXTENSION OF CITY STAFF MONITORING THE DIFFERENT ROAD, ROAD BOND PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. I'M SORRY YOU SAID COB FINLEY. THEY'RE THE DESIGN ENGINEER OF THE PROJECT. AND THEN ATRIUM SERVICES. APPRAISAL. 
          APPRAISAL. OKAY. JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. I HAVE CHOSEN TO REACH OUT TO ALL AFFECTED LANDOWNERS. AND SO I LIKE TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK REGARDING THE PROCESS OF HOW OUR CITY IS DOING THE EMINENT DOMAIN. AND THAT'S NOT TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LANDOWNERS IN CASE WE DO HAVE TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN. SO I SEE THAT ALL THIS STARTED ON MARCH 2025, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IN DECEMBER, OCTOBER 30TH IS WHEN THE FIRST OFFER WAS HANDED TO THEM. DO YOU KNOW WHO WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THEM BETWEEN MARCH AND OCTOBER? WELL, I'M SURE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR PROPERTY ACQUISITION AGENT FIRM, THEIR ATKINS REALITY. AND SO THEY ARE THE ONES WHO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND START COMMUNICATION. ADDITIONALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH BY COBB, FINLEY, AND WHO WOULD HAVE PERFORMED THE SURVEY ON THE TRACK THAT WE NEED. PERFECT. 
          OKAY. DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE SPEAK SPANISH? I DO NOT, OKAY. BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAD TO PUT TOGETHER A SPANISH INITIAL INITIAL OFFER LETTER. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE COMMUNICATED WITH THEM FROM MARCH UNTIL OCTOBER. IF WE DON'T HAVE A SPANISH SPEAKER, I'M KIND OF WORRIED THAT THINGS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CLEARLY EXPLAINED. SO YOU'RE SAYING ATKINS REALLY IS THE ONE THAT DOES THE COMMUNICATION CORRECT. AND BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A SPANISH SPEAKER. I BELIEVE THEY DO. YES YOU DO. AND WAS THAT THE PERSON THAT WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THEM? SHE'S COMING UP HERE. HI. MY NAME IS LISA NORRIS. I'M WITH ATKINS. REALS. AND I'M SORRY. SO YES, WE DO HAVE A SPANISH TRANSLATOR THAT WORKS WITH OUR OFFICE. AND YES, HE WAS IN COMMUNICATION. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND THEN I ALSO SEE ON 1030 IS WHEN WE MAILED THE CERTIFIED LETTER. AND THEN LET'S SEE, WE MAILED THE LETTER FOR 1030. AND THEN DECEMBER 1ST WAS A FINAL OFFER LETTER. BUT I DIDN'T GET THE GREEN CARD FOR THIS ONE. AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THE DATES. IF WE MAILED IT 1030 I WOULD SAY THAT WAS A THURSDAY. SO YOU HAVE FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MAYBE MONDAY, 11 THREE. THEY PROBABLY RECEIVED IT. I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GREEN CARD. I WOULD JUST FIGURE BECAUSE THIS WAS MAILED BY CERTIFIED MAIL AND REGULAR MAIL, THAT THEY PROBABLY GOT IT ON THE THIRD. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 27 REGULAR BUSINESS DAYS OR 19 BUSINESS DAYS TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND BEFORE WE GAVE THEM THE FINAL OFFER. IS THAT CORRECT? WE COMPLY WITH WITH STATE LAW WITH REGARD TO THE INITIAL OFFER LETTER AND THE FINAL OFFER. YES. I'M JUST GOING OFF OF THE THE TIMELINE THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME, AND I'M NOT SURE I SEE THAT THE COUNTER OFFER WAS DECLINED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE EMINENT DOMAINS, THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF FOLLOWING THE LAWS THAT WERE BEING RESPECTFUL. I LIVED THROUGH THE WHOLE COLERIDGE. AND SO IT'S KIND OF GOT ME SCARRED. AND SO BUT WHEN I REACHED OUT TO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY HIS FIRST NAME, IT LOOKS LIKE MOSES MALDONADO. YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT THERE WAS 
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NOT A LOT OF CLEAR, COMPLETE RESPONSES TO THE WRITTEN QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DRAINAGE IMPACTS. HE ALSO SAID THAT ALTHOUGH THEY SUBMITTED A DETAILED GOOD FAITH COUNTER-OFFER WITH SUPPORTING INFORMATION, THEY DID NOT RECEIVE SUBSTANTIVE ENGAGEMENT ON THOSE ISSUES BEFORE BEING INFORMED THAT THE CITY WOULD PROCEED TO CONDEMNATION. AND EACH OF US ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE HOWEVER WE WANT. I JUST FIND IT HARD. I'VE SEEN ON THESE AGENDAS SEVERAL EMINENT DOMAINS, AND FOR ME, EMINENT DOMAIN IS USED WHEN THERE IS AN IMPASSE. 
          BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING US TO DO IS IN THE EVENT THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T FIND A MEETING OF THE MINDS, YOU GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS TO FALL BACK ON AND TO USE. AND THAT'S NOT A WAY I WANT TO SEE OUR CITY USE EMINENT DOMAIN. AND SO THAT'S NOT A DIG ON ANYBODY. 
          IT'S JUST MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. HAVING SEEN HAVING SEEN PEOPLE BEING AFFECTED FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THERE'S A RUSH TO GET THIS DONE, I FEEL LIKE TAKING THE EXTRA, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS TO ALLOW THEM TO GET A RESPONSE OR TO NEGOTIATE IS WELL WORTH THE INVESTMENT OF TIME, EVEN THOUGH THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS BEHIND, MAYBE. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HAVE AS FAR AS VOTING FOR THIS PROJECT OR FOR THIS EMINENT DOMAIN. I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE DOING IT. SIR, I THINK THE THE GOAL OF ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY IS, IS SAVING TAXPAYER DOLLARS, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERY DAY THAT WE LET THE PROJECT GO ON, I BELIEVE IT'S A IT'S A HALF PERCENT OR A PERCENT. AND BRIAN CAN QUOTE THE NUMBER. BUT WHAT THAT MEANS, IT'S REAL MONEY. IT'S SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS IF WE LET THAT GO. AND SO IT'S BEEN THE GOAL TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, GET THE PROJECTS TO BID SO WE CAN SPEND THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS WISELY. IF I COULD JUST COMMENT ON THAT, MAYOR, CERTAINLY SHARE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO TO WORK THROUGH ISSUES. I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE THAT IN THIS CASE. WE HAVE COMPLIED FULLY WITH THE LAW AND TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN OUR INITIAL OFFERS AND FINAL OFFERS FOR THOSE TO BE CONSIDERED. WE ARE AT AN IMPASSE, IN OUR OPINION, IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT. AND AS AMBER POINTED OUT, WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. THERE'S CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE BETWEEN NOW AND A SPECIAL COMMISSIONERS HEARING ON THE ISSUE. WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND WANT TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WE DO NEED TO START THAT PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN GET A TIMELY ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY TO BUILD THE ROAD THAT THE VOTERS HAVE ASKED US TO DO, AND THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO DO ON THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S HERE. CERTAINLY RESPECT THE VIEWS OF COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE, I APPRECIATE IT. THIS THIS ROAD IS GOING TO LEAD TO WHAT DOES IT LEAD TO WHAT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ON FUN CREEK AND I CAN'T I CAN'T RECALL WHAT THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THERE. IT'S VACANT LAND RIGHT NOW. IT'S VACANT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WILL DEVELOP AFTER THE ROADS ARE CONSTRUCTED THOUGH. OKAY. THAT THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TOO. LIKE, IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT LIKE, HEY, THIS WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAVE THIS IS GOING TO HELP RESIDENTS RIGHT AWAY, THEN THAT'S SOME EMINENT DOMAIN THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT OR TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE OPEN TO. BUT KNOWING THAT THIS GOES TO VACANT LAND, I THINK, KIND OF MAKES ME WANT TO IMPRESS EVEN MORE THAT WE HAVE TO BE. WELL. IT ALSO IMPROVES THE THE CURRENT CONDITION WILL IMPACT EVERYWHERE. EAST OF LEHMAN HIGH SCHOOL. RIGHT. OKAY. EVERYBODY HEADING WEST, I SEE IT. I WAS INCLUDED IN I MEAN, I WAS ON THE BOARD THAT CREATED THAT BOND. SO IF ANYBODY HAS WANTS TO MAKE. I THINK THERE'S SPECIFIC. YEAH I'VE GOT I'VE GOT THE WORDING. OKAY. I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF KYLE AUTHORIZE THE USE OF THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE PUBLIC UTILITY DRAINAGE DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER TWO PARCELS OF LAND CONTAINING A TOTAL OF 0.4478 ACRES FROM PROPERTY OWNED BY PRISCILIANO MALDONADO AND MARIA HERNANDEZ MALDONADO, AS DESCRIBED IN AGENDA ITEM EIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF CONSTRUCTING DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE KYLE PARKWAY LEHMAN ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT, SECOND. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. SECOND BY TOBIAS. THIS WILL BE A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. TOVIAZ. HI, MEDINA I HARRIS. YES. MCKINNEY. YES. FLORES KILLED. NAY. ZAPATA. I GOZA NAY. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM 
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EIGHT APPROVED IS APPROVED TO 5 TO 2. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT, WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM. DO WE GOT TO 
          [9) Consider approval of a resolution finding public convenience and necessity and authorizing the use of eminent domain to condemn if necessary fee simple title to a parcel of land containing 4.496 acres, a drainage easement over 0.0761 acres, and a public utility easement containing 1.110 acres (as described in Exhibits “A,” “A-1,” and “A-2” to the Resolution) from certain real property owned by JDF Windy Hill Road, LLC for the public use and purpose of construction of public roadway and drainage improvements for the Windy Hill Road improvement project. (ROLL CALL VOTE REQUESTED)]
DO THESE SINGLE. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THIS IS GOING TO BE CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION. YES. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY AND AUTHORIZING THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO CONDEMN IF NECESSARY. SIMPLE FEE. TITLE. TITLE. THANK YOU. TO A PARCEL OF LAND CONTAINING 4.496 ACRES AT DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER .0761 ACRES, AND A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT CONTAINING 1.110 ACRES FROM CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY JD WINDY HILL ROAD LLC FOR THE PUBLIC USE AND PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WINDY HILL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. THIS WILL BE A ROLL CALL VOTE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MEMBER SCHMITZ, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE THREE OF THESE AND THEY ALL BELONG TO THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER AND IT'S FOR THE SAME PROJECT. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE COMPLETE PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE AND THEN I'LL BE BRIEF IN THE NEXT TWO IF THAT'S OKAY. IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, THE CITY OF KYLE VOTERS APPROVED PROPOSITION A, A ROAD BOND FOR EIGHT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ACROSS KYLE, TOTALING 10.3 TOTAL MILES OF NEW LOCATION RECONSTRUCTION AND WIDENING PROJECTS TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. THIS PROJECT WILL IMPROVE WINDY HILL ROAD FROM THE NORTHBOUND I-35 FRONTAGE ROAD TO PURPLE MARTIN AVENUE. THE PROJECT WILL WIDEN EXISTING TWO LANE ROAD TO FOUR LANES WITH A CENTER TURN LANE. 
          IT WILL REALIGN THE EXISTING ROADWAY TO SMOOTH THE CURVES BETWEEN THE PROJECT LIMITS. 
          ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE ROADWAY ILLUMINATION, THE SIDEWALK SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROAD ROUNDABOUT AT WINDY HILL AND CHERRYWOOD, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT LIMITS ON THE MAP THERE. THE BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT, THE ALIGNMENT AND DESIGN FEATURES WERE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF 2024. A TASK ORDER WAS ISSUED TO LAN TO COMPLETE THE FINAL DESIGN, AND IT WAS APPROVED IN MARCH OF 2024. THE PROJECT IS IN THE BID PHASE. WE EXPECT IT TO BE AWARDED IN SPRING OF 2026. CONSTRUCTION DURATION IS 460. CALENDAR DAYS. ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION IN SUMMER OF 2027. INFORMATION ABOUT THE SITE TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS NEEDED FOR THE ROADWAY. A SURVEY WAS COMPLETED AND AN APPRAISAL WAS PERFORMED ON THE NEEDED TRACT. A PROPERTY INTERESTS INCLUDE FEE SIMPLE RIGHT OF WAY OF 195,843FT■!S, DRAINAGE EASEMENT OF 3315FT■!S.A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT OF 48,361FT■!S. IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDE ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION, PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY REFERS TO THE COUNCIL DETERMINING WHETHER THE CITY'S ACQUISITION OF AN INTEREST IN A SPECIFIC REAL A PIECE OF REAL PROPERTY, SUCH AS AN EASEMENT OR FEE. SIMPLE TITLE IS NECESSARY TO EFFECTUATE A PARTICULAR PUBLIC USE FOR THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. IN THIS SITUATION, THE PCN FINDS THAT THE WINDY HILL ROAD PROJECT IS NECESSARY AND REQUIRED TO PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THE ACQUISITION OF THE IDENTIFIED PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY ARE UNABLE TO REACH A NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT, THE PCN AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO INITIATE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS, IF NECESSARY, TO ACQUIRE THE NEEDED PROPERTY. SO WE ASK THAT COUNCIL APPROVES THE RESOLUTION, FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES. 
          COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN PCN GO TO EMINENT DOMAIN? THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBERS CAN'T ASSIST THE CITY WITH REAL ESTATE ACQUISITIONS. I DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE ORDER OF 10 TO 15% OF 10 TO 15% OF THE ONES THAT GO FROM PCN TO ACTUAL HEARING. SO VERY FEW END UP IN HEARINGS. THEY GET SETTLED AT THE PCN LEVEL. YES MA'AM. THAT FLUCTUATES, BUT THAT'S BEEN THE EXPERIENCE. ROUGH EXPERIENCE THUS FAR. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I WOULD SAY THAT I, I DO SHARE YOUR CONCERNS. LIKE I VOTED FOR MORE PCN IN ONE YEAR THAN I THOUGHT I WOULD IN MY ENTIRE LIFE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THESE ROAD PROJECTS GOING ON. AND WHEN WE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRIORITIZING ROADS, THIS IS THE THE UGLY SIDE OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY IS. SO I GET IT. ALL RIGHT, SO I DO I REACHED OUT TO KRIKOR DACEY, WHO IS THE NEPHEW OF THE TWO DACES THAT OWN THIS LAND. SO THIS LAND IS OWNED BY A NONPROFIT. SO ANYTHING THAT 
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THEY THEY RECEIVE IS GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE NONPROFIT, WHICH GOES BACK INTO THAT AREA. SO I WILL SAY WHEN I TALK TO KRIKOR, HE TOLD ME HE THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE STILL UNDER NEGOTIATIONS AND HE DID NOT REALIZE THAT YOU GUYS, THAT THIS WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA. MOVING FORWARD. I THINK IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO INFORM THE LANDOWNER THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE ON AGENDA. JUST SO IF THEY HAD SOMETHING THEY WANTED TO SAY OR COME OUT AND SPEAK, IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP UP WITH IT, BUT I THINK IN GOOD FAITH, SHOWING THEM THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COME OUT, YOU CAN. BUT BESIDES THAT, I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE ON THE TIMELINE THAT I RECEIVED, I SEE JUNE 16TH THERE WAS A REVISED OFFER MADE. HOWEVER, I DON'T SEE AN INITIAL OFFER. WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY, NO, TAKE YOUR TIME. I ALSO DON'T SEE A FINAL OFFER. AND WHEN I TALK TO KRIKOR, HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS. THEY WERE WAITING. THEY WERE HOPING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD EXTEND A FINAL OFFER BEFORE IT WOULD GET TO THIS EXTENT. SO I GUESS I'M KIND OF CONFUSED IF I CAN'T SEE THE THE, THE FIRST OFFER OR THE FINAL IT HOW WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF EMINENT DOMAIN. I BELIEVE THE GREEN CARDS BELONG TO THE OFFER LETTERS. YOU SAY GREEN CARD. YOU'RE RETURNING BY A CERTIFIED LETTER. 
          CERTIFIED? YES. THAT'S BEEN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. ALL OF THESE PCNS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED HAVE AN INITIAL OFFER AND A FINAL OFFER THAT'S REQUIRED BY LAW, AND WE CAN GET YOU THE DATES. WE DID NOT KNOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE A QUESTION THIS EVENING. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO LOOK THAT UP AS WE WAIT. BUT THEY'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED THAT KENT CITY, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, HAS REVIEWED ALL OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. SO WE DISCUSSED THEM WITH COUNSEL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AS WELL. OKAY. WHICH I I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WASN'T OFFERED. I JUST AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AS A MAYOR, THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT I WANT TO SEE WHEN I'M VOTING ON EMINENT DOMAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ON HERE THERE'S A FINAL OFFER, AND I ONLY SEE THE REVISED OFFER MADE. THIS IS WHY I NEEDED I WANTED TO LIKE, HAVE THIS TIMELINE SO I COULD HAVE SOME INFORMATION. SO WHEN I'M UP HERE, I DON'T HAVE TO. IF IT WAS IF THAT DATE WAS ON HERE, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BRING IT UP NOW. WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT TONIGHT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A FINAL OFFER THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THEM AGAIN? THE INITIAL OFFER WAS SENT ON SEPTEMBER THE 19TH AND THE FINAL OFFER ON OCTOBER THE 23RD. WE HAVE WE TRIED TO RESPOND TO THAT INFORMATION REQUEST AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE WE DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN OFFER AND FINAL OFFER BEFORE WE GET TO PCN. WHERE AND WHEN WAS THAT FINAL OFFER SENT? OCTOBER THE 23RD. 
          OCTOBER 23RD. OKAY, SOME TIME AGO. AND YEAH, WE BECAUSE SEPTEMBER. OKAY. SO SEPTEMBER IT SAYS THAT THEY MR. DACEY WAITED FOR THEIR OWNER'S APPRAISAL BEFORE SUBMITTING A COUNTER-OFFER. DECEMBER 3RD RECEIVED COUNTER-OFFER FROM DACEY FAMILY BASED ON APPRAISAL FROM WALLBRIDGE PROPERTY ADVISORS. COUNTEROFFERS APPEAR TO BE BASED ON APPRAISAL FOR PART TWO, UTILIZING SUBDIVIDED LAND APPRAISAL THEORY FOR THE WHOLE TRACK. WE'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THE COURSE OF THE OPEN COURSE OF NEGOTIATIONS. I'M NOT ADDING PRICES TO IT LIKE I DIDN'T DISCUSS PRICES, JUST THE PROCESS. YES, MA'AM. SO I JUST, I THIS ONE MADE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE UNCOMFORTABLE THAN THE OTHER ONE DID, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY BACKUP REGARDING THE FINAL OFFER AND THE INITIAL OFFER THAT WAS MADE ON SEPTEMBER 19TH COMES AFTER JUNE 16TH, WHICH SAYS THERE WAS A REVISED OFFER MADE. SO I WAS CONFUSED AS TO THE TIMELINE OF THIS. EVERY OFFER AND FINAL OFFER IS SUPPORTED BY THE CITY'S APPRAISAL REPORT. OKAY, MAYBE. YEAH, IF WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT IN OUR BACKUP, THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. SO DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF KYLE AUTHORIZE THE USE OF THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE 4.496 ACRES OF LAND IN FEE SIMPLE, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER 0.0761 ACRES, AND A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT OVER 1.110 ACRES, ALL FROM PROPERTY OWNED BY JD WINDY HILL ROAD LLC. AS DESCRIBED IN AGENDA ITEM NINE FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF CONSTRUCTING PUBLIC ROADWAY DRAINAGE AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WINDY HILL ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. FLORES. KALE. NAY. GOZA. NAY. MEDINA I. HARRIS. YES. TOBIAS. 
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YES. MCKINNEY. YES. ZAPATA. YES. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2. NEXT UP, WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM 
          [10) Consider approval of a resolution finding public convenience and necessity and authorizing the use of eminent domain to condemn if necessary fee simple title to a parcel of land containing 0.0431 acres and an electrical easement containing 0.1012 acres (as described in Exhibits “A” and “A-1” to the Resolution) from certain real property owned by JDF Windy Hill Road, LLC for the public use and purpose of construction of public roadway and utility infrastructure improvements for the Windy Hill Road improvement project. (ROLL CALL VOTE REQUESTED)]
TEN. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION, FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, AND AUTHORIZING THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO CONDEMN, IF NECESSARY, SIMPLE FEE TITLE TO A PARCEL OF LAND CONTAINING 0.0431 ACRES AND AN ELECTRICAL EASEMENT CONTAINING 0.1012 ACRES, AS DESCRIBED IN EXHIBITS A AND A-1, TO THE RESOLUTION FROM CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY JD WINDY HILL ROAD, LLC FOR THE PUBLIC USE AND PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC ROADWAY AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WINDY HILL ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. ROLL CALL VOTE WILL BE REQUESTED. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER AND SAME PROJECT AS WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY. SO I'M GOING TO ABBREVIATE THE PRESENTATION FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. IT'S WINDY HILL PROJECT. PROJECT LIMITS IS THE SCHEDULE ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE. WE DID PERFORM A SURVEY AND AN APPRAISAL. PROPERTY INTERESTS INCLUDE FEE SIMPLE RIGHT OF WAY OF 1879FT■!S, AND N ELECTRICAL EASEMENT OF 4409FT■!. IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY HERE INCLUDE ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION. AND SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TO FIND PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY AT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I JUST HAVE 1 OR 2. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY MENTIONED EARLIER. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE ANYONE LOSE THEIR THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY OR HAVE DAMAGE DONE TO THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE BACK AND FORTH. BUT WE DID VOTE TO PASS THE ROAD BOND IN ORDER FOR THESE ROADS TO GO SOMEWHERE, SOMETHING GETS LOST FROM SOMEONE. AND THEN JUST A QUESTION ON THE VERBIAGE. JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE WATCHING AT HOME AND UNSURE, IT DOES STATE AUTHORIZING THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO CONDEMN IF NECESSARY, AND JUST REITERATING MAYOR FLORES CARL'S COMMENT EARLIER THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T REALIZE HE WAS NO LONGER UNDER NEGOTIATIONS. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, WE STILL ARE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE. THIS IS JUST IN THE EVENT WE CAN'T REACH A NEGOTIATION. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT KNOWN FOR EVERYONE ELSE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WHEN I TALKED TO KRIKOR, HE DID SAY THAT HE WAS MORE THAN. 
          THEY'RE NOT FIGHTING THE EMINENT, THE THE TAKING OF THE LAND. HE JUST WANTED A GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATION. AND SO, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND WE VOTED, SOME PEOPLE VOTED FOR THIS ON THE ROAD BOND. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT MANY PEOPLE DID NOT REALIZE HOW MUCH EMINENT DOMAIN WAS GOING TO BE USED, AND THAT'S BEEN STATED AS WELL. AND SO I AM NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT. I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME SUPPORT FOR THE LANDOWNERS AND KYLE, WHO FEEL LIKE THEY JUST WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE A GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATION. SO WE WANT THE SAME. MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF KYLE AUTHORIZE THE USE OF THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE 0.0431 ACRES OF LAND IN FEE SIMPLE ON THE ELECTRICAL EASEMENT OVER 0.1012 ACRES FROM PROPERTY OWNED BY GDF WINDY HILL ROAD LLC, AS DESCRIBED IN AGENDA ITEM TEN FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF CONSTRUCTING PUBLIC ROADWAY AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WINDY HILL ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. MAY I PLEASE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE. ZAPATA. YES. HARRIS. YES. GOZA. NO. TOBIAS. YES. MCKINNEY. YES. 
          MEDINA. YES. FLORES. KALE. NO. THAT MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2. NEXT UP, WE HAVE ITEM AGENDA NUMBER 
          [11) Consider approval of a resolution finding public convenience and necessity and authorizing the use of eminent domain to condemn if necessary fee simple title to a parcel of land containing 0.2474 acres and a drainage easement containing 0.1600 acres (as described in Exhibits “A” and “A-1” to the Resolution) from certain real property owned by JDF Windy Hill Road, LLC for the public use and purpose of construction of public roadway and drainage improvements for the Windy Hill Road improvement project. (ROLL CALL VOTE REQUESTED)]
11. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION, FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY, AND AUTHORIZING THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO CONDEMN, IF NECESSARY, FEE. SIMPLE TITLE TO A PARCEL OF LAND CONTAINING 0.2474 ACRES AND A DRAINAGE EASEMENT CONTAINING 0.1600 ACRES, AS DESCRIBED IN EXHIBITS A AND A-1, TO THE RESOLUTION FROM CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY OWNED BY JD WINDY HILL ROAD, LLC FOR THE PUBLIC USE AND PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WINDY HILL ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT NIGHTS. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AGAIN. FOR 
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THE RECORD, AGAIN THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER, SAME PROJECT PROJECT AT WINDY HILL IS THE LIMITS PROJECT BACKGROUND. THIS PARTICULAR SITE WE NEED FEE SIMPLE RIGHT OF WAY OF 10,778FT. 
          DRAINAGE EASEMENT OF 6969FT■!S. IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDE ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION. AND AGAIN, WE DID PERFORM A SURVEY AND AN APPRAISAL HERE. AND SO WE WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, FINDING PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY FOR THIS PROJECT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR MOTIONS. MOVE THAT THE CITY OF KYLE AUTHORIZE THE USE OF THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE 0.2474 ACRES OF LAND IN FEE SIMPLE AND A DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER 0.1600 ACRES FROM PROPERTY OWNED BY GDF WINDY HILL ROAD LLC, AS DESCRIBED IN AGENDA ITEM 11 FOR THE PUBLIC USE OF CONSTRUCTING PUBLIC ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WINDY HILL ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. CAN I GET A ROLL CALL? VOTE, PLEASE? GOSA. NO. FLORES. CALE. NO. MCKINNEY. YES. ZAPATA. YES. 
          MEDINA. YES. HARRIS. YES. TOBIAS. YES. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. 
          [12) Consider approval of a resolution amending, updating and restating the City of Kyle Rules of City Council.]
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UP NEXT, WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM 12. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AMENDING, UPDATING AND RESTATING THE CITY OF KYLE. RULES OF COUNCIL ITEM PRESENTER IS GOING TO BE AMY ALCORN. READ. GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AMY ALCORN READ CITY ATTORNEY HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT ON THE RULES OF COUNCIL. SO THE RULES OF COUNCIL ARE REVIEWED ANNUALLY AS PROVIDED IN THOSE RULES UPON THE SITTING OF THE NEW COUNCIL. THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING WITH THE FULL COUNCIL PRESENT. SO WE'RE PRESENTING THEM AGAIN. THE ONLY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THE RESOLUTION ARE SOME MINOR CHANGES RELATED TO LEGISLATION ON THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, WHICH CHANGED THE DEADLINE TO POST AGENDAS. SO THE CURRENT RULES PROVIDE THAT AGENDA ITEMS HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY STAFF ON. I THINK IT'S THURSDAY. 
          WITH THE NEW POSTING DEADLINES, THE AGENDA WOULD ALREADY BE POSTED BY THURSDAY, SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THAT TO THE BUSINESS. DAY BEFORE THE AGENDA POSTED, WE'RE RECOMMENDING BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK IN THE FUTURE TO DO A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS OTHER CHANGES COULD BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. WE THINK THIS COULD BE A LONG DISCUSSION THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR WORKSHOP SETTING. SO HERE'S SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CHANGE TO THE LAW. AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS TO LIMIT IT TO NOON ON THE OR LIMIT IT TO THE BUSINESS DAY BEFORE THE DATE OF THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA. THE OPTIONS ARE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION WITH AMENDMENTS TO DENY THE RESOLUTION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED AND TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE WORKSHOP. I AM HERE WITH A NOTEPAD. IF ANYONE HAS CHANGES THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW. WELL, I'LL BEGIN BY SAYING I DO APPRECIATE YOU, LIKE UPDATING IT AND THEN POSTPONING IT TO BRING IT BACK. 
          I THINK I MYSELF WANT TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS. THESE RULES OF COUNCIL ARE THE PERFECT WAY TO GET INTERACTION WITH THE RESIDENTS, SO THEY CAN TELL US WHAT THEY EXPECT FROM US IN TURN. THEN WE CAN HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A DATE TO BRING IT BACK THOUGH, SO IF WE DO WANT TO HOST SOME KIND OF TOWN HALL, I'LL HAVE A TIMELINE OF WHEN I CAN BRING IT BACK. IS THAT POSSIBLE? SO I THINK THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DISCUSS IT AT THE VISIONING WORKSHOP THAT MISS SCHMITZ WILL BE DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THIS MEETING, BUT IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL TIME BEFORE YOU WANT TO BRING THAT BACK, I THINK STAFF WOULD BE RELATIVELY AMENABLE TO THAT, AS LONG AS WE CAN FOLLOW THE CURRENT ONES FOR THE TIME BEING. ALL RIGHT. AND DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE OF THE VISION WORKSHOP? WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU DATES AND OPTIONS. WE WANT TO DO IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES IN THE CITY THAT WE WANT TO GET DIRECTION FROM THE NEW COUNCIL ON THAT. WE'RE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE IT'S 24TH AND 25TH OF JANUARY. IF I REMEMBER THE DATES CORRECTLY, THAT'S THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING PLANNED. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER DATES AS WELL THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE SOME INITIAL CONVERSATION AT THAT RETREAT, DEPENDING ON WHENEVER THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO HAVE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADOPT IT. CERTAINLY THERE COULD BE MORE IF YOU WANT TO DO TOWN HALL, BUT MAYBE JUST TO GET SOME TOPICS ON THE TABLE AND HAVE SOME GENERAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT. I THINK WE HAVE OUR OWN LIST OF THINGS THAT WE'D RECOMMEND TO YOU, BUT THEN THERE MAY BE LOTS OF THINGS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TIME FRAME. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSIONS? WITH THAT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 12 AND TO POSTPONE AND BRING BACK THE RULES OF COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE. SECOND. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR FLORES 
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KALE, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. ITEM COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM 12 PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM 13. 
          CONSIDER APPOINTING YVONNE FLORES KALE AND COURTNEY GOZA AS CITY REPRESENTATIVES TO THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER TWO BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND APPOINTING THE CHAIR OF THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER TWO. ONCE AGAIN, AMY. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. AMY. CITY ATTORNEY. THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO FILL THE VACANCIES ON THE TOURS NUMBER TWO BOARD FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE FALLEN OFF AND REPLACE OUR. THE HISTORIC PRACTICE OF THE CITY HAS BEEN TO APPOINT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE AS THE CITY'S REPRESENTATIVES ON THE BOARD. SO WE'VE PROVIDED THIS ACTION TO APPOINT MISS GOZA AND MISS MAYOR FLORES KALE AS THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. WE ALSO ARE. CITY COUNCIL IS TO APPOINT THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD ANNUALLY, AND SO THE TERM OF THE CHAIR WOULD HAVE EXPIRED AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT YOU APPOINT A CHAIR AS WELL. THE CHAIR SERVES A ONE YEAR TERM AND CAN BE REAPPOINTED. THE CHAIR THAT WOULD HAVE JUST EXPIRED WOULD BE DEBBIE INGALSBE. I BELIEVE SHE'S BEEN THE CHAIR FOR A FEW YEARS. AND THEN THE TOURIST TWO CAN APPOINT A VICE CHAIR. AND IF IF THE TOURIST WANTS A VICE CHAIR, THEY WILL NEED TO APPOINT A NEW VICE CHAIR, BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS MAYOR MITCHELL, WHO IS OBVIOUSLY NO LONGER PART OF THE COUNCIL. SO THE OPTIONS ARE TO APPOINT BOARD MEMBERS TO FILL THE VACANT SEATS AND TO AND A CHAIR, OR TO CHOOSE NOT TO APPOINT THE CHAIR OR THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS. WE RECOMMEND APPOINTMENT OF MAYOR FLORES AND COUNCIL MEMBER COURTNEY GOZA TO FILL THE VACANT SEATS, AND THEN WE RECOMMEND THE APPOINTMENT OF A CHAIR, EITHER REAPPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONER INGALSBE OR APPOINTMENT OF A DIFFERENT PERSON. ALL RIGHT. IS COMMISSIONER INGALSBE AGREEABLE TO SERVING THAT POSITION? AGAIN? I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT WITH HER, BUT I BELIEVE SO. SHE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR A FEW YEARS. SHE DID A GREAT JOB. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER? HARRIS, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHERE TERSE TWO IS? I'M NOT GOING TO GET THE BOUNDARIES EXACTLY RIGHT. IT'S THE BRICK AND MORTAR AREA AROUND THE LA VERDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. MAJORITY DISTRICT FOUR. IT'S GOING TO BE, YES, 1626 ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE PLUM CREEK. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER BEING A CHAIR IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN STEPPING UP. MR. MCKINNEY, COUNCILMEMBER MCKINNEY I MEAN, IF I'M ASKED TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE, I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO IT. YEAH, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME VOCAL FROM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE ALREADY A YEAR. SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY TO BE THE CHAIR. SECOND. OKAY. I WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY TO BE THE CHAIR OF THE TOURIST TWO BOARD. SECONDED. 
          MADE A MOTION BY MAYOR FLORES AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 TO ALSO, LIKE YOU SAID, INCLUDE MARK MCKINNEY AS THE CHAIR OF THE TAX THE TOURIST TWO BOARD. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE FIRST VOTE AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND THEN OR I CAN AMEND MINE TO ADD IT ALL OR HE CAN. YEAH. OR WE CAN AMEND THE MOTION AND THEN AMEND THE SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LET'S JUST DO TWO OKAY. SO THE FIRST MOTION IS TO HAVE MARK COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY BE THE CHAIR FOR TWO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO OKAY. AND THEN THE 
          [13) Consider appointing Yvonne Flores-Cale and Courtney Goza as City representatives to the Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 2 Board of Directors; and appointing the Chair of the Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No. 2.]
NEXT WE HAVE. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION AGAIN, COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS, MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER APPOINTING IVONNE FLORES AS CITY REPRESENTATIVES TO THE TOURIST BOARD. NUMBER TWO SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIA, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES SEVEN 
          [14) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the Council Visioning Workshop.]
ZERO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE STAFF REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE COUNCIL VISIONING WORKSHOP CHAIR. YOU ARE FAST ON THAT ONE. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          AMBER SMITH, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD. SO EACH YEAR THE CITY COUNCIL HOLDS A VISIONING WORKSHOP. AND THE POINT IS TO DISCUSS GOALS AND PRIORITIES FOR THE YEAR AHEAD. 
          IT HELPS INFORM THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS WE WE KICK THAT OFF OFFICIALLY WITH A VISIONING WORKSHOP. IT ALSO PROVIDES YOU ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS YEAR, THOUGH, IN LIGHT OF ALL THE NEW FACES IN THE TRANSITION, WE WE ARE PROPOSING A TWO WORKSHOP APPROACH. THE WORKSHOPS WOULD GIVE TIME FOR COUNCIL TO ALIGN ON A SHARED VISION, DISCUSS APPROACHES FOR WORKING TOGETHER TO ADVANCE COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND THEN THE WORKSHOP. AGENDAS WILL BE CUSTOMIZED AND TAILORED BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT Y'ALL 
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WILL PROVIDE TO THE FACILITATOR. ITEMS TO DISCUSS TONIGHT ARE THE FACILITATOR, THE TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION. POTENTIAL DATES FOR BOTH THE WORKSHOPS, LOCATIONS AND SITE VISITS, AND BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS. WE HAVE CHOSEN A RAMSEY CONSULTING GROUP TO PLAY THIS FACILITATOR ROLE. 
          THEY ARE CRUCIAL IN GUIDING DISCUSSIONS, ENSURING EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION AND ACHIEVING PRODUCTIVE OUTCOMES AND GROUP SETTINGS. HE WOULD DESIGN, DEVELOP AND FACILITATE A ONE DAY SESSION OF THE WORKSHOP FOCUSED ON LEADERSHIP, TO BE HELD IN LATE JANUARY, AND THEN A TWO DAY SESSION FOCUSED ON STRATEGIC PLANNING IN MARCH. THEY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. 
          HE LED THE FACILITATION AT THE LAST VISIONING WORKSHOP AND DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. HE WILL INTERVIEW EACH COUNCIL MEMBER PRIOR TO THE WORKSHOP AND PREPARE AND ORGANIZE THE DISCUSSION AROUND YOUR FEEDBACK. SO THE WORKSHOP TOPICS SESSION ONE, WHICH WOULD BE JANUARY, WE WOULD ALIGN ON A GOVERNANCE FRAMEWORK INCLUDING COMMITTEES AND AGENDA MANAGEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO UNLESS YOU DISCUSS ROLES AND EXPECTATIONS BETWEEN AND AMONGST COUNCIL AND STAFF WITH A FOCUS ON COLLABORATION, WE WOULD CONFIRM SHARED PRIORITIES AND DIRECTION FOR THE COUNCIL'S VISION, REVIEW PRIORITY PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES AND ACHIEVE COUNCIL CONSISTENT ON DIRECTION THERE TOO. SESSION TWO WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUSED ON STRATEGIC PLANNING, SO UPDATE TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN A LOOK AT OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT DASHBOARD. OUR CIP PROGRAM PLANNING AND OVERSIGHT. WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AND THEN BUDGET PROCESS REVIEW, AND THEN ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT. POTENTIAL DATES. FOR SESSION ONE, WE ARE PROPOSING A SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, JANUARY 24TH AND 25TH. AGAIN, IT WOULD BE STRUCTURED AROUND LEADERSHIP AND THEN SESSION TWO WE ARE PROPOSING MARCH 6TH, SEVENTH AND EIGHTH. THAT WOULD BE FRIDAY AFTERNOON, SATURDAY, SUNDAY WE WOULD BEGIN AT SIX ON FRIDAY AND THEN END AT 12:00 ON SUNDAY. THOSE DATES WERE CHOSEN. WE WE CONSIDERED THE SPRING BREAK FOR HCISD AND THEN ALSO THE NLC, WHICH SOME OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND. THE LOCATIONS HAVE VARIED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, BUT THEY'RE TYPICALLY CHOSEN IN CITIES WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN VISIT DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, CITY FACILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE OR PROGRAMS THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO KYLE. AND THE GOAL HAS BEEN TO VISIT ASPIRATIONAL DEVELOPMENTS AND OR PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE. KYLE, AND SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING BACK TO KYLE. HAVING TWO SESSIONS, THOUGH, PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOST BOTH LOCALLY AND OFFSITE. IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO DO THAT. POTENTIAL LOCATIONS INCLUDE KYLE, GEORGETOWN, MCKINNEY, DENTON AND GRAPEVINE AND KYLE. THINGS TO SEE. WE COULD DO A TOUR OF OUR CITY FACILITIES, OUR PARKS, OUR WATER UTILITIES, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS, OUR LIBRARY, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CITY HALL, AND ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO TOUR. PLACES TO HOST. IF WE IF WE MEET LOCAL, IT HAS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROUP AND THE BREAKOUT SESSIONS AND THE PUBLIC IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND AS WELL. AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING THE KYLE PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, CITY HALL, POSSIBLY A ROOM AT THE PUBLIC PALM CREEK GOLF COURSE IN TEXAS, OLD TOWN. 
          GEORGETOWN. THINGS TO SEE WOULD BE DOWNTOWN GEORGETOWN. THEY HAVE A LIBRARY. THEY HAVE A NEW PARKING GARAGE, A REDEVELOPMENT APPROACH AND EXECUTION. WE COULD STAY AT THE SUMMIT AT RIVER PARK. IT'S A HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER, AND IT'S A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. PLACES TO STAY SHERIDAN, AUSTIN GEORGETOWN HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER. IN MCKINNEY. THINGS TO SEE ALSO. DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. THEY HAVE A LIBRARY THAT'S UNDER RENOVATION, PARKING GARAGES, A NEW CITY HALL, MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, AND WE WOULD JUST BE LOOKING AT THEIR REDEVELOPMENT APPROACH AND EXECUTION THERE AS WELL. THEY ALSO HAVE A SPORTS COMPLEX, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHECK THAT OUT. PLACES TO STAY. SHERATON MCKINNEY HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER. DENTON. THINGS TO SEE THE DENTON SQUARE IN DOWNTOWN SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS. THEY HAVE A CIVIC CENTER AND THEN ALSO THEIR REDEVELOPMENT APPROACH AND EXECUTION. AND THEN THEY HAVE A HOTEL AND CONVENTION CENTER. AND WE WOULD STAY AT THE HOTEL AND CONVENTION CENTER. GRAPEVINE THINGS TO SEE DOWNTOWN, HISTORIC MAIN STREET. THEY HAVE HARVEST HALL. IT'S A FOOD AND BEVERAGE HALL ATTACHED WITH ATTACHED HOTEL AND PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE, A CONVENTION CENTER, PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE REC, THE REC, CITY HALL, AND AGAIN THE REDEVELOPMENT APPROACH AND EXECUTION PLACES TO STAY WOULD BE THE HOTEL VIN AT HARVEST HALL AND GAYLORD TEXAN RESORT AND CONVENTION CENTER. SO BUDGET CONSIDERATION BY SESSION FOR IF WE STAYED IN KYLE, THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST WOULD BE ABOUT $9,150, DEPENDING ON 
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WHERE WE HOST THE LOCATION, IT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE. WE MIGHT HAVE TO RENT THE MEETING ROOM IF WE DIDN'T STAY AT A CITY FACILITY OFF SITE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $26,750 TO GO TO NORTH TEXAS. SO DECISIONS FOR YOU ALL TONIGHT ARE THE DATES. ARE THESE ARE WE GOOD WITH THESE DATES AND THEN THE LOCATIONS FOR EACH SESSION AND THEN THE BUDGET. BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE WRONG ON THAT SLIDE. IT'S ACTUALLY THESE NUMBERS. BUT WE WOULD BE BRINGING BACK A RESOLUTION TO YOU TO SCHEDULE THE WORKSHOPS AND APPROVE THE BUDGET. QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. 
          GO AHEAD. MAYOR, I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS DO ALL THE TALKING. ME AND COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS HAVE BEEN WAITING TO DO THIS IN KYLE FOR ALMOST A HALF DECADE. SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M ALWAYS A FAN OF DOING IT HERE IN KYLE, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. 
          I WOULD BE ALMOST ADAMANT THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM BE HERE. AGREED. I WOULD PREFER THE FIRST ONE. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I WOULDN'T OBJECT TO HAVING ONE OF THEM HERE, BUT I HAVE REALLY BENEFITED BY THE VISIONING WORKSHOPS I'VE GONE TO THAT HAVE BEEN IN OTHER LOCATIONS. WE'VE SEEN SOME VERY INTERESTING THINGS THAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. I, I LOVE SEEING WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING AND ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO US. I ALSO THINK THAT IT REQUIRES US TO CONCENTRATE ON THE JOB WE'RE DOING MORE WHEN WE'RE OUT OF TOWN. THERE ARE A LOT OF DISTRACTIONS WHEN YOU DO YOUR WORKSHOPS IN TOWN. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK JUST A QUESTION ON THE HYBRID APPROACH. I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO. WOULD THERE BE A COST DIFFERENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IF WE WERE TO HOST LIKE THE FIRST ONE HERE OR THE FIRST ONE OUT OF TOWN? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE CLOSER WE GET TO MARCH, IF WE HOST THAT ONE OUT OF TOWN, IT MIGHT BE MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF JUST HOTEL PRICING GETTING CLOSER TO LIKE SPRING BREAK AND WHATNOT. SO I THINK LIKE THAT'S JUST THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE WITH THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT DOES INCREASE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE MARCH TIME FRAME. WE WILL WE COULD BRING SOME MORE PRECISION AROUND WHAT THAT WOULD BE IF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, AN OFF SITE LOCATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAY AT. 
          WE COULD CALL AND ACTUALLY GET THE THE ROOM PRICING. OKAY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DID ONE OFF SITE, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER FOR US TO DO IT THE JANUARY 1ST BECAUSE IT WILL COST LESS, BECAUSE WE'LL DO IT OFF SITE AND THEN HAVE THE ONE THAT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE BE HOSTED HERE. I MEAN, IT, IT WON'T BE THAT DRAMATIC OF A CHANGE. I MEAN, I, I IT MAY DEPEND ON THE LOCATION TOO. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WENT TO THE GAYLORD TEXAN, WHICH IS A LARGE DESTINATION RESORT TYPE PLACE, THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED, I SUPPOSE IT COULD BE. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S AS MUCH IN DENTON OR MCKINNEY OR GEORGETOWN, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I JUST WOULDN'T EXPECT THOSE PLACES TO HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT. BUT I SUPPOSE IT'S POSSIBLE. IT'S A GOOD POINT. I HADN'T THOUGHT OF IT. AND I THINK WE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO TODAY TO IS KIND OF NAIL DOWN THE DATES THAT EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE. IT'S REALLY KIND OF HARD TO GET EVERYBODY SCHEDULED FOR THAT. SO WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK, AS AMBER SAID, WE COULD CHECK IT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU. THAT WAY YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER INFORMATION. I THINK ONCE WE GET THE DATES, THEN YOU CAN JUST PUT IN WHERE WE PLAN ON STAYING AND THEN YOU COULD FIGURE IT OUT WHICH ONE'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER. YES. FOR THE BUDGET TONIGHT I USED THE GSA RATES FOR NORTH TEXAS METRO AND THEN ALSO FOR KYLE. SO WOULD ANYBODY BE OBJECTIVE IF WE MOVED IT A WEEKEND OF THE 31ST AND THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY, BECAUSE THERE'S A DRILL TEAM COMPETITION ON THE 24TH. IF NOT, I CAN STILL MAKE IT IF EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE. SO YOU'RE ASKING THE 31ST IN THE FIRST. OKAY. IF IF POSSIBLE. IF NOT, CERTAINLY STAFF COULD BE THERE. THE ONLY THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS THE FACILITATOR IS UNAVAILABLE IN FEBRUARY FOR A PRE-PLANNED ISSUE THAT HE'S DONE. THEN WE CAN I CAN MAKE THIS WORK. I CAN MAKE IT WORK IF IT'S 24TH, BECAUSE HE WAS REALLY GOOD LAST YEAR AND Y'ALL NEED TO SHOW UP ON TIME. HE'S VERY STRICT. HE IS VERY, VERY STRICT, I LIKE THEM. I KNOW SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE KIND OF DRAGGING IN, BUT HE WAS VERY STRICT. I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT HE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. AS FAR AS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER IN THE TRAINING ROOM. 
          IT'S IT'S IT'S OPEN, IT'S NEARBY. AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GO SEE OTHER 
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PLACES. BUT MY THING HAD ALWAYS BEEN WHEN I GO TO THESE THINGS, I'M READY TO WORK. I'M READY TO SIGN IN. I'M READY TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TIMES WHERE IF WE HAD FOOD BROUGHT IN, WHICH IS GREAT, WE CAN STAY THERE AND FOCUS ON THAT. WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR BREAKS. I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE DO BREAKOUT SESSIONS, A LOT OF TIMES IN THE PAST AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH FIVE OF THEM ALREADY, WE'RE GOING ACROSS TOWN TO GO SEE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY, WHICH IS NICE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OUR MY WHOLE FOCUS IS, IS THAT WE'RE THERE TO BE COME TOGETHER AND GO OVER THINGS THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CITY. SO THE MORE TIME AND THE MORE HOURS I CAN SPEND WITH ALL OF YOU AND CITY STAFF TO TO REALLY NAIL DOWN AND GET TO WORK, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT YEAR FOR OUR CITY. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE STARTING TO GET UP AND RUNNING. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF ROAD PROJECTS THAT ARE ABOUT READY TO START. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO TALK ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN, AND SO I THINK FOR ME, I WOULD REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO CONCENTRATE, EVEN IF IT'S HERE LOCALLY, EVEN DOWN THE ROAD, I CAN, I CAN, I CAN DEAL WITH IT. 
          NOT SO MUCH THE DISTRACTIONS BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S FINE. I CAN PUT MY PHONE IN MY CAR AND LEAVE IT THERE ALL DAY. BUT I THINK JUST HAVING SOMETHING HERE LOCALLY WHERE WE CAN REALLY FOCUS THAT AND WE CAN HAVE STAFF, ALL STAFF AVAILABLE IF WE NEED THEM FOR ANYTHING, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE AVAILABLE. THAT'S JUST MY, MY, MY POINT OF VIEW. MY MY $0.02. 
          RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? FOR THE PURPOSES OF COST SAVINGS, I THINK IT WOULD BE. I WOULD WANT TO HAVE THEM BOTH HERE IN KYLE. IT'S ABOUT AN $18,000 DIFFERENCE. AND DO WE REALLY NEED TO BE TRAVELING AT THIS POINT TO GO OUT OF KYLE? BECAUSE OUR FOCUS, I KNOW FOR YOU AND I WHEN WE WERE CAMPAIGNING, WAS TO PRIMARILY REALLY GET DOWN AND FOCUS ON DOING THE ROADS, SIDEWALKS, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, WAITING UNTIL WE GET OUR PRIORITIES DONE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER, DID I SEE YOU? OKAY. WELL, I THINK I THINK A LARGE PART OF ALSO WHY GOING OFF SITE FOR AT LEAST ONE OF THEM IS ALSO TO SEE HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE REDEVELOPED AND FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ONE OF THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS IS DENTON. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY FOLKS ARE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH DENTON, LIKE I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT LIVE OUT THERE AND HAVE FOR A WHILE. AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, DENTON, YOU KNOW, JUST A HANDFUL OF YEARS AGO, WAS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR DOWNTOWN. 
          AND NOW IF YOU GO TO DENTON, LIKE THEY HAVE LIKE A VERY LARGE, LIKE COMMUNITY BASED TOWN CENTER, AND IT IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE NICE, REALLY WELL DEVELOPED, REALLY WELL DESIGNED, AND THEY DID THAT WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THE CITY'S CHARACTER AND THEN ALSO NOT PUSHING PEOPLE OUT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A LARGE REASON AS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE OBVIOUSLY I'VE ALREADY JUST SAID MY FAVORITE, YOU KNOW, ON THE LOCATIONS LIST AND THAT IS TO GO AND SEE AND LEARN HOW THESE OTHER CITIES DID IT. SO THAT WAY WE CAN LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES. ONE AND TWO REPLICATE THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE SEE IN OTHER PLACES AS WELL. AND SO I THINK FOR THE TIMING, I'M OKAY WITH THE TIMES, THE DATES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. FOR ME, IT'S MORE THAN JUST CAMPAIGNING ON WHAT I WANT. IT'S IT'S IMPORTANTLY HAVING THE RESIDENTS HERE TO LISTEN TO US, BECAUSE I'VE GONE TO THESE SEVERAL THREE YEARS AND AND THERE IS KIND OF THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE MAKING THESE PLANS WITHOUT HAVING THE RESIDENTS INVOLVED. AND SO AND I'M AGREEABLE TO HAVING AT LEAST ONE I'D LIKE TO SEE. TWO, I'M OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, EITHER THERE I'VE BEEN TO CARMEL, I'VE BEEN TO BURLESON, I'VE BEEN TO A TON OF DIFFERENT CITIES WITH THE CITY. AND MY ONLY FEAR FOR THAT IS WE'RE COMPARING OURSELVES TO CITIES THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS US, THE POPULATION IN DENTON. I JUST LOOKED UP AND IT'S IT'S PROBABLY DOUBLE WHAT WE ARE. AND SO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO CITIES THAT ARE RELEVANT. I DO LIKE A GOOD DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK GEORGETOWN HAS A GREAT DOWNTOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE EQUAL TO WHAT WE ARE, BUT I THINK OVERALL, MAKING SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS HERE AND KNOW WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR OUR FUTURE IF THEY COULD BE INCORPORATED. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER BECAUSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT TO HOUSE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO COME AND MEET UP AND AND TALK. AND SO FOR ME, IT WOULD I WOULD BE PROUD TO USE THAT BUILDING IN THAT ASPECT. 
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AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO COME TO A CONSENSUS. CONSENSUS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION ON YOU GUYS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS, DO WE WANT TO JUST DO THE DATES FOR NOW? RIGHT. SO IT'S SOMETHING I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION ON PER SE. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR GENERAL DIRECTION. AGAIN, AS AMBER MENTIONED, WE'LL BRING BACK AN ACTION ITEM TO HAVE YOU VOTE ON A RESOLUTION WITH THE BUDGET AND THE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. BUT I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, AND I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD IS TWO THESE DATES SEEM TO WORK THAT WE'VE THROWN OUT. IS THAT CORRECT? WOULD YOU REPEAT THEM AGAIN? I THINK, AMBER, CAN YOU GO BACK? SURE. I GET THEM RIGHT. HAVE THEM ON MY PHONE. YEAH. MY CALENDAR MARCH 6TH THROUGH EIGHTH. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. MARCH. THOSE TWO. THOSE DATES WORK FOR EVERYONE THAT WE CAN HAVE THOSE DATES. AND THEN I HEARD THE JANUARY 24TH, 25TH THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, IT WOULD BE OFFSITE. I'VE HEARD A MIXTURE OF COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT OFFSITE, AND I KNOW I HEARD A STRONG PLAY FOR DENTON, BUT IS THAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO PLAN FOR? COULD WE RUN BACK THROUGH THEM? OKAY, SURE. OKAY. KYLE, GEORGETOWN, MCKINNEY, DENTON AND GRAPEVINE. OKAY. AND KYLE CITY FACILITIES. GEORGETOWN. THEY'VE GOT A LIBRARY IN DOWNTOWN LEARNING FROM THEIR REDEVELOPMENT APPROACH. THEY ALSO HAVE THE SUMMIT AT RIVERY PARK THAT WE COULD GO SEE. IT'S A HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER, AND THERE'S MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          PLACES TO STAY. THE SHERATON AUSTIN GEORGETOWN HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER IN MCKINNEY. 
          WE WOULD SEE DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. THE LIBRARY IS CURRENTLY UNDER RENOVATIONS. PARKING GARAGES, NEW CITY HALL, MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, AND THEIR APPROACH TO REDEVELOPMENT. THEY ALSO HAVE A SPORTS COMPLEX THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. PLACES TO STAY THERE ARE THE SHERATON MCKINNEY HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER IN DENTON. THEY'VE GOT THE DENTON SQUARE DOWNTOWN. THEY'VE GOT SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS, A CIVIC CENTER, AND AGAIN, THEIR REDEVELOPMENT APPROACH, A HOTEL AND CONVENTION CENTER AS WELL. AND PLACES TO STAY WOULD BE AT THE HOTEL AND CONVENTION CENTER. 
          GRAPEVINE. THEY HAVE A DOWNTOWN SLASH HISTORIC MAIN STREET. THEY HAVE A HARVEST HALL WITH FOOD AND BEVERAGE HALL ATTACHED WITH ATTACHED HOTEL AND PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE. THEY HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER, PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE REC AND CITY HALL, AND PLACES TO STAY WOULD BE AT THE HOTEL, THEN AT HARVEST HALL OR GAYLORD TEXAN RESORT AND CONVENTION CENTER. SO THAT'S SO. 
          SO ON. THE SECOND VISION WORKSHOP, WOULD THAT BE MORE OF SITE VISITS VERSUS THE ACTUAL LEADERSHIP DISCUSSIONS? BECAUSE I'M ALSO LOOKING AT WHEN WE TRAVEL, WE ALSO LOOK AT THE TIME TO TRAVEL AND THE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING UP NORTH, I MEAN, THAT'S A FOUR HOUR DRIVE TO THIS FACILITY AND ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO GET THERE THE NIGHT BEFORE? LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE THE NIGHT BEFORE. WHAT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT SATURDAY? AND THEN OF COURSE, THE THE DRIVE HOME ON SUNDAY. SURE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEND AS MUCH USEFUL TIME, IN MY OPINION, IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE MAIN OBJECTIVES FOR THAT IS TO GO TO SITE VISITS TO SEE LIBRARIES, OR IS IT JUST TO REALLY FOCUS ON FINALIZING WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE 20TH? MY RECOMMENDATION, COUNCIL MEMBER, IS IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE OFFSET FOR THIS, THE OFF SITE, I CAN SAY THAT CORRECTLY FOR MARCH 6TH THROUGH EIGHTH THAT WE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THAT FRIDAY BEFORE, WHICH I GUESS IS THE FIFTH IF I'M GETTING THAT RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE A FRIDAY NIGHT WHERE WE WOULD START AT FIVE, HAVE SOME A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS. TYPICALLY WE GO FIVE TO LIKE 9 OR 10:00 AND THEN START AGAIN THE NEXT MORNING. AND I THINK IT'D BE A COMBINATION OF SOME SITE VISITS, AS WELL AS THE ITEMS THAT AMBER OUTLINED IN HER PRESENTATIONS. 
          LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATES THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE. WITH THAT, GETTING A GOOD FEEL FOR WHERE YOU WANT TO BE ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT LOOKING AT THE ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AS A STAFF AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT WE THINK DOWNTOWN'S IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO YOU ABOUT HOW THEY'VE DEVELOPED, HOW THEY'VE EXECUTED THAT FROM A PERIODS AS, AS COUNCILMEMBER ZAPATA TALKED ABOUT A PERIOD WHERE IT WASN'T DEVELOPED TO NOW WHERE THEY ARE. HOW DID YOU GET THERE? WHAT ARE STRATEGIES? WHAT ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND? THOSE WOULD BE THINGS THAT WE'D BE LOOKING TO TRY TO BRING OUT, PERHAPS ASKING SOME OF THE STAFF MEMBERS AND SOME OF THE TEAMS THAT WERE THERE TO COME BY AND TALK TO US, MAYBE SOME ELECTED OFFICIALS. I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IN SOME OF THE PLACES, JUST LIKE WE DID. I THINK WITH FRISCO WENT TO PROSPER. ONE YEAR WE HAD THE MAYOR OF PROSPER COME OUT AND TALK TO US, BUT THOSE 
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ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO TRY TO AGAIN, THE OPTION IS NOT JUST TO GO LOOK AT PRETTY THINGS AND SAY, THESE ARE NICE, BUT TO LEARN FROM THE TEAMS THAT BUILT THOSE FACILITIES AND BUILT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS TO SEE HOW CAN WE DO SIMILAR THINGS HERE. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE THINK IT'S APPLICABLE, IT MAY NOT BE UP TO THE MAYOR'S POINT. IT'S NOT ALWAYS PLUG AND PLAY THAT WHAT WORKS IN ONE CITY WORKS HERE, BUT THERE MAY BE ELEMENTS OF ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE COME BACK AND SAY, THESE ARE HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH IT. SO THAT'S BEEN THE IDEA. I THINK IT REALLY IS. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S AGAIN, THIS IS FOR YOU AND IT'S IT'S A FACILITATION FOR YOU AND A WORKSHOP FOR YOU. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE OF IMPORTANCE TO YOU. AND THAT'S WHY WE OFFER THAT TO YOU. BUT IT CAN BE ON ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO. YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS WHEN WE WENT TO FRISCO. WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THEIR TRAILS, WHICH WE GAVE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM. ARE WE ALSO LOOKING AT THE PARTNERING UP WITH SCHOOLS AND OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE DALLAS COWBOYS AND ALL THAT STUFF? RIGHT. AND THEN WE ALSO WHAT ELSE HAVE WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THEIR TOURS, HOW THEY ARE ALL DIVIDED UP IN IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THAT CITY, EVEN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WEREN'T EVEN DEVELOPED YET, THEY ALREADY HAD ESTABLISHED ON THAT END. SO JUST LEARNING THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO SO I GET IT. AND I UNDERSTAND, I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY GOOD THINGS ABOUT GOING TO A CITY THAT'S LARGER, LIKE DENTON, I GRADUATED FROM UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS EONS AGO, LITERALLY EONS AGO, IS TO SEE A CITY THAT WAS OUR SIZE, WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND HOW THEY WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THEIR GROWTH PROCESS, WHAT WORKED AND WHAT DIDN'T, BECAUSE WE'RE HEADING THERE VERY, VERY QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, THE THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO'S WITHIN 25 YEARS WILL BE 3.5 MILLION PEOPLE. AND KYLE IS A BIG PART OF THAT. SO I REALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. DIDN'T IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY'VE GROWN. ALTHOUGH THEIR COLLEGE TOWN, WHICH WE'VE GOT ACC THAT HELPS, BUT I THINK ANY OF THEM WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I KIND OF AM LEANING TOWARDS GRAPEVINE LOOKING AT THE POPULATION. IT'S COMPARABLE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN KYLE. BUT I THINK THEY HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, LIKE CITY HALL. 
          I THINK AT SOME TIME WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO EXPAND OUR CITY HALL SO WE CAN GET OUR STAFF BACK IN HERE. THEY ALSO HAVE A REC CENTER. I LOOK AT THEIR DOWNTOWN. IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THE CITY OF KYLE'S. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LONG ROAD, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF THEM. I JUST THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, THAT WE STAY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF, YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION AND THE SAME GOALS. AND SO I THINK I KNOW PREVIOUSLY CONVENTION CENTER WAS A GOAL. RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY IS KIND OF A GOAL, A REC CENTER AND CITY HALL. SO BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO STEP FORWARD ON THAT, GREAT, AN EXCELLENT CHOICE. AND I'M FROM THAT AREA. SO I KNOW GRAPEVINE WELL HAVE WATCHED THAT DEVELOP. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT GRAPEVINE IS THEY HAVE THE RAILROAD THAT GOES THROUGH IT, I GUESS, AND THEY HAVE RECREATIONAL STUFF ALONG THAT RAILROAD. SO AND A BIG AT LEAST THEY USED TO HAVE I THINK THEY PROBABLY STILL DO BIG EVENTS IN THAT AREA, THE GRAPE FEST. SO EVENTS THAT MAYBE WE COULD PATTERN AFTER. AND IT IS A CUTE DOWNTOWN AND DOES HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS A ROAD THAT'S GOING THROUGH IT. YEAH. GRAPEVINE WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE OPTIONS FOR LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME REASONS. OKAY. YEAH. AND AND THERE THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO US GETTING OUT OF TOWN, HOLING UP TOGETHER, HASHING STUFF OUT WHERE WE CAN'T RUN AWAY BACK HOME, HAVING DINNER, HAVING DINNER AND BREAKING BREAD. GLASS OF WINE MAYBE. YOU CAN HATE ON WINE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE THINK? ARE YOU INTERESTED IN GRAPEVINE FOR ONE? NO, NOT AT ALL. OKAY, GREAT. MARCH. GRAPEVINE. I'M. I'M GOOD WITH IT. YEAH. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT BASED ON THE SESSIONS AND LIKE, WHAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING IN EACH SESSION, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO ACTUALLY BE IN GRAPEVINE, LIKE, IF THAT'S WHERE WE ALL WANT TO GO, THE 24TH OR 25TH OF JANUARY, BECAUSE THE TOPICS I THINK ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH LIKE THAT, JUST LIKE BONDING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF LIKE FOR WHERE WE WANT TO GO. AND THEN SESSION TWO, WHICH IS THE UPDATE TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE KPI PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT DASHBOARD, THE CIP PLANNING AND OVERSIGHT. I THINK THAT'S THE STUFF THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE CITY STAFF PRESENT FOR. SO I THINK THAT ONE WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE HERE, BECAUSE THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE WAY MORE DETAILED ABOUT WHERE WE ACTUALLY GO, WHEREAS THE FIRST ONE IS JUST ALIGNING COUNCIL ON 
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THAT SAME PATH. I AGREE, I THINK THE SECOND ONE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE IN KYLE, JUST SO WE CAN GET WE CAN GET IDEAS AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN BE HERE AND THEY CAN BE INVOLVED AND THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE ALL COLLECTIVELY, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR FEET WET JUST GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER IN THE FIRST SESSION. AND THE SECOND SESSION WILL JUST BE US COLLECTIVELY TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WANT, HOPEFULLY WITH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS IN THE AUDIENCE. WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT GOES BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT FRIDAY BECAUSE I THAT SATURDAY, THAT'S SUNDAY I COULD DO. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LEAVING ON FRIDAY, I WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. SO YEAH, JANUARY THAT WOULD FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY. SORRY. YOU'RE GOOD. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MAGICAL ABOUT FRIDAY. PERHAPS IT COULD BE SATURDAY, SUNDAY AND MONDAY IF THAT WORKS BETTER. I KNOW SUNDAY EVERYBODY GETS A LITTLE TIRED THAT YOUR WORK SCHEDULE? IT'S A LOT. IT'S JUST. YEAH. EVERYBODY GET OUT OF THERE ON A SUNDAY. YEAH, I JUST OFFER THAT FOR FEEDBACK. I KNOW YOUR SCHEDULE. YEAH IT IS. I WOULD HAVE TO GET MYSELF TIME LIKE THE MARCH 1ST FOR BEING AN OFF SITE. I'D BE ABLE TO HAVE TO REQUEST THAT, LIKE TOMORROW MORNING WHEN I'M THERE JUST TO SEE WHERE OUR SCHEDULE IS. SO IF IT WAS A SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF IT MEANS THAT WE'VE GOT TO LEAVE ON A FRIDAY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SLOW ANYBODY ELSE DOWN IF THAT'S THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. MAYBE THE OTHER. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. MAYBE THE OTHER THING IS WE GO ALL DAY 24TH ALL DAY THE 25TH. 
          YEAH. YOU KNOW, JUST GO LONGER. TYPICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT LIKE A HALF A DAY ON SUNDAY. 
          MAYBE WE JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO LONGER. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY IS THERE FOR THE WHOLE THING. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE OUR SCHEDULES WITH THAT. SO AND MR. COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS IS IMPORTANT. SO THE TWO SCHEDULES COULD WE JUST FLIP THEM WHERE THE ONE WHERE WE WANT THE PUBLIC HERE WOULD BE IN JANUARY, WHICH WOULD ALSO BE BETTER AS FAR AS GETTING HOTELS. BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE? WELL, I THINK WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING WAS THAT THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE HERE, YOU KNOW, LOCALLY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'D HEARD, BUT THEN I'D HEARD THE OPPOSITE WAS LET'S DO THAT ONE OFFSITE IN JANUARY, AND THEN THE ONE IN MARCH WOULD BE LOCAL HERE AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. AM I HEARING THAT CORRECTLY OF WHAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO DO? I BELIEVE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA SAID WAS AND I AGREED WITH WAS THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE AWAY AND THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE HERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO ACCLIMATE AND THEN COME BACK. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, WE'D HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO SHARE WITH THE RESIDENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I ANSWERED THAT PROPERLY FOR YOU. MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION EXACTLY, BUT MAYBE I'M CONFUSED. 
          OKAY, I WAS SAYING THAT PERHAPS FOR THE JANUARY SESSIONS, WE COULD BE HERE. OKAY. AND IF THE OPPOSITE, IF WE WANT TO FLIP THE WORKSHOPS, YOU KNOW, WHICH WORKSHOP DO WE WANT HERE? IT'S THAT. THAT ONE. WHICH ONE IS OFFSITE? THAT'S IN MARCH. YEAH. ARE YOU SAYING DOING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP IN JANUARY AND DOING THE LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP IN MARCH? YEAH. WELL, OKAY. WELL GO AHEAD. WELL, I JUST SAY I THINK SOME OF IT NATURALLY NEEDS TO COME BEFORE THE OTHER. I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US. I MEAN, MY, MY OPINION IS THAT ALL OF THOSE VERY DETAIL ORIENTED ASSIGNMENTS, UNTIL YOU'VE HAD SOME OF THE BASIC GOVERNANCE DISCUSSIONS AND TRIED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL OF YOU ARE, ALL SEVEN OF YOU DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS AND HAVE THOSE WORKSHOP TOPICS WHERE WE TRY TO COME TOGETHER ON WHERE IS THE COMMON GOAL AND VISION. UNTIL WE HAVE THAT, I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO HAVE THAT DEEPER CONVERSATION. BUT THAT'S AGAIN MY MY POINT OF VIEW ON THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, THERE'S THERE'S SO MANY NEW FACES HERE FOR FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S JUST A LOT OF CHANGE. AND I THINK THAT'S I WOULD SAY THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO SPEND SOME TIME ON. I THINK IT PAYS DIVIDENDS IN THE FUTURE. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE WE IS THERE SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS? I MEAN, I THINK WE I THINK WE PICKED GRAPEVINE. GRAPEVINE I THINK THAT'S I'VE HEARD THAT AND THAT THAT WOULD BE THE JANUARY 20TH. THAT WOULD BE THE JANUARY 24TH, 25TH MEETING. CORRECT. AND THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS. AND THEN MARCH 6TH THROUGH EIGHTH, WE WOULD LOOK AT OF DOING THAT HERE AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          ANYBODY HAVE AND IF THAT IF I SUMMARIZE THAT CORRECTLY, THEN WE'LL BRING THAT RESOLUTION BACK. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WORKING ON THE PLANNING FOR IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING A RESOLUTION FOR THAT BACK, IT PUTS US RIGHT AT THE WEEK THAT I THINK I'M JUST RIGHT. I'M 
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JUST HEARING THAT THAT'S THAT'S THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHAT WE LIKE TO HAVE AND WHAT I THE REASON I ALWAYS RECOMMEND THE RESOLUTIONS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOMETIMES NOT UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR WHAT THE DIRECTION WILL BE. AND I LIKE THE COUNCIL TO VOTE ON THE EXPENSES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCUR ON THESE. AND THE REASON I DO THAT IS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN COUNCILS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN HAPPY WITH THOSE, AND THE STAFF GETS BLAMED FOR WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY GOING HERE OR THERE? IT'S A COUNCIL DECISION. I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE, AND YOU CLEARLY GIVE US DIRECTION. THE THAT'S THE REASON I WOULD BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU AND MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE AS BEST I CAN PROJECT THEM FOR YOU AT THAT TIME. COULD I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO GRAPEVINE. THAT WE NOT STAY AT THE GAYLORD? RIGHT. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND I KNOW THAT AREA WELL, I'M FROM NORTH TEXAS. SO THE, THE, THE THEN HOTEL IS RIGHT THERE AND THAT THAT AREA RIGHT NEXT TO THE STREET, YOU KNOW AS WELL COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS IT'S IT'S WALKING DISTANCE TO THOSE AREAS. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER LOCATION THAN, THAN THE GAYLORD TEXAN. HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE PLANNING TO GO TO THE WATER PARK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU GO TO THE GAYLORD. BUT THIS WOULD BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOTEL I THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR US. THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. 
          OKAY. I'M AGREEABLE TO THAT. IN FACT, WE CAN EVEN BRING SOME TENTS AND WE CAN, LIKE, GO CAMPING AND ALL THAT JAZZ. OKAY, SO DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. JUST LOOKING AT MY. 
          [15) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding implementation options for the Utility Customer Assistance Program (UCAP).]
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE AGENDA ITEM 15. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING IMPLEMENTATION OPTIONS FOR THE UTILITY CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. ITEM PRESENTER JOSHUA CRUMLEY SAY THAT. RIGHT? OKAY. SURE DID. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MY NAME IS FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JOSHUA CROWLEY. I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR FINANCE. AND ONE OF THE AREAS OF MY PURVIEW IS THE UTILITY BILLING DIVISION. AND LATE IN 2024, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT DEVELOPING A UTILITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR OUR UTILITY CUSTOMERS HERE IN THE CITY. SEE IF I CAN GET THERE WE GO. STAFF SUBSEQUENTLY PUT TOGETHER SOME PROGRAM GUIDELINES, BROUGHT THOSE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THOSE GUIDELINES WERE VOTED ON. THEN WE TOOK THOSE GUIDELINES AND USED THEM TO DEVELOP A SOLICITATION SCOPE OF WORK, SO THAT WE COULD GO OUT TO THE MARKET TO TRY TO FIND A THIRD PARTY PARTNER, TO HELP US FACILITATE THIS NEW UTILITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. LOOKING BACK, THE CAP WAS DESIGNED AROUND THAT MODEL, AND THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY INDEPENDENTLY VALIDATE THE NEED THAT THESE RESIDENTS MAY HAVE AND COMPARE THOSE TO DATABASES OF OF NEED THAT THE CITY DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO. A FORMAL SOLICITATION WAS ISSUED. WE HAD A SINGLE RESPONDENT WHO APPLIED TO THE THE SOLICITATION, AND THE COST OF THAT SERVICE WAS ROUGHLY THE COST IT WAS GOING TO COST TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED ABOUT $60,000 FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND THE COST FOR THE THIRD PARTY ASSISTANCE WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT $30,000. AND SO IT DID NOT SEEM FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. AND SO STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND ACTION UPON THAT. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND LOOKED AT HOW WE COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY BRING THIS IN-HOUSE. WE ALSO LOOKED FOR SEVERAL OTHER THIRD PARTY PARTNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, REACHED OUT TO MANY GIVING ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR AREA TO TRY TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARTNER ON THIS WITH US. NOBODY WAS INTERESTED AT THAT TIME. AND SO WE, LIKE I SAID, WE RETOOLED THIS AND NOW WE'RE BRINGING BACK SOME OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL TO BASICALLY BRING THIS IN AS A SELF-ATTESTATION MODEL. ESSENTIALLY, THE RESIDENTS WOULD FILL OUT A A SELF-ATTESTATION FORM DECLARING THEIR NEED AND KIND OF SWEARING TO IT. AND THEN THE CITY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND CAN REQUEST FOLLOW UP OR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION. BUT THE GOAL IS, SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE EXPERTS WHO COULD ANALYZE THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THEY COULD PROVIDE, WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY COLLECT THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. SO INSTEAD WE WOULD WOULD USE THIS ATTESTATION MODEL TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS. THERE WOULD BE AGAIN, NO INCOME DOCUMENTATION COLLECTED. IT WOULD ALL BE THE SELF SWEARING OF THAT. CITY STAFF WOULD STILL RETAIN OVERSIGHT FOR MAKING SURE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IS 
          [03:45:04]
PRESENT. WE WOULD TRACK IT ALL. OUR INTENT AT THIS TIME IS TO TRY TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THIS POLICY LOOK LIKE. WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR YOU ALL. THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO REISSUE THE SOLICITATION. TIME HAS PASSED SINCE THE APRIL MAY TIME FRAME LAST YEAR. THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY NEW IN THE MARKET WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. MAY BE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH US. MY FEAR IS THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO PROBABLY BE AT THE SAME OR SIMILAR LEVELS TO ADMINISTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AND THE THIRD OPTION, OF COURSE, IS TO PROVIDE ALTERNATE DIRECTION, MODIFY THE PHILOSOPHY, CHANGE THE PROGRAM, OR OR MAYBE SCRAP THE PROGRAM ALTOGETHER. SO I STAND BY FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THIS INCLUDED THE ETJ, DIDN'T IT? IT WOULD INCLUDE ALL ALL ALL CUSTOMERS OF THE UTILITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE ROUGHLY 15,500 WATER CUSTOMERS WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THEM. ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I DON'T I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. I MEAN I FIND IT HARD TO SUPPORT THIS. I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE REAL COST SAVINGS AND RELIEF TO THE RESIDENTS, WE DO THAT BY WAY OF THEIR BILL, MEANING WE LOOK AT THE TAXATIONS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO DECREASE IT. YOU SAID THERE'S 60,000 BUT WAS BUDGETED FOR BUDGETED, BUT YET WE HAVE 50. HOW MANY? HOW MANY METERS DID WE HAVE? 15. WE HAVE 15,500M. SO YOU'RE TALKING $4 PER PERSON IN THE CITY OF KYLE, I GUESS. JUST SPREAD OUT OVERALL. I THINK THAT'S WHY THE INTENTION WAS TO TO FOCUS IT ON THOSE WITH THE GREATEST NEED. YOU KNOW, THE ONES WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THE MOST RISK OF HAVING THEIR WATER TURNED OFF AND NOT BEING ABLE TO DRINK VERSUS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WATERING THEIR LAWNS FIVE TIMES A WEEK. I GET IT, I GET IT. I JUST FEEL LIKE THE NEED IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE GREATER THAN WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO TO DO. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE REAL RELIEF, WE LOOK AT THAT BY WAY OF OUR TAXES AND OR FEES AND FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN DO THAT. THAT WAY, I I'M, I WOULD BE CONFUSED TO KNOW HOW THIS WOULD BE APPLIED. IS THERE LIKE A A BILL AMOUNT THAT THEY CAN'T GET OVER. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS LIKE $1,000 BILL, DO THEY GET $1,000 OR DO THEY GET $500? HOW HOW WOULD THAT WORK? THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES THAT THE SOME OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL KIND OF OUTLINED WHAT THE INITIAL HELP WAS. AND SO I DIDN'T BRING THOSE BACK TODAY BECAUSE THAT REALLY WASN'T THE POINT OF TOPIC NOW IS IN ORDER TO TRY TO FACILITATE THIS PROGRAM THAT WAS ASKED OF US, WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO FIND A THIRD PARTY PARTNER AND WE'RE UNABLE TO DO SO. SO NOW THE OPTION WOULD BE TO BRING THAT IN HOUSE. IT'S THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WE COULD DO TO TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING FOR THE COUNCIL. AND SO THE GOAL TODAY WAS, SINCE WE KNEW WE HAD NEW MEMBERS, WAS TO BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT THE INTEREST WAS AND WHAT THE DIRECTION WOULD BE TO GO. THOSE CURRENT GUIDELINES, AS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PASSED, WAS A MAXIMUM THRESHOLD OF $600 PER HOUSEHOLD. AND THERE WERE SOME THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER PIECES TO THAT GUIDELINE. THERE WERE MONTHLY, YOU KNOW, CAPS THAT COULD BE PLACED ON FEES THAT COULD BE INCURRED. SO WE COULD TRY TO HELP PEOPLE, NOT SNOWBALL. CURRENTLY, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A PERCENTAGE OF THE BILL THAT CONTINUES TO COMPILE ONCE THAT SNOWBALL STARTS RUNNING. AND SO OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO PUT SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THOSE, TO TRY TO STOP PEOPLE WHO HAVE FALLEN INTO HARD TIMES FROM GETTING INTO A HOLE THEY CAN'T DIG THEMSELVES OUT OF. BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE BROUGHT TODAY. TODAY WE WERE WE'RE TRYING TO BRING FORWARD THE PROGRAM ITSELF AND ITS VIABILITY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT DIRECTION THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE DIRECT STAFF TO, TO, TO UNDERTAKE. IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNCIL HAS NOW CHANGED ITS PRIORITIES, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY LOOK TO DO THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THIS IS, AGAIN, A PROGRAM WE WERE BRINGING AT THE REQUEST OF CITY COUNCIL. SO JUST TO ADD TO THAT, BRIEFLY, UTILITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS ARE COMMON IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THEM. YOU CAN HAVE THEM STRICTLY BE DONATION BASED. SO YOU COULD HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RATEPAYERS TO PROVIDE DONATIONS THAT COULD BE USED TO HELP THOSE IN NEED. I WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE ON THAT IS IT'S VERY FEW DOLLARS THAT COME THROUGH THOSE PROGRAMS. SO YOU JUST DON'T TYPICALLY GET A LOT OF DOLLARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. SO A LOT OF TIMES COMMUNITIES WILL LOOK TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL MEANS TO THAT, TO WHERE YOU CAN PROVIDE BETTER ASSISTANCE. IT'S NEVER ENOUGH FOR SOMETIMES ALL 
          [03:50:01]
THE NEED THAT'S OUT THERE. AND THERE IS THAT BALANCE THAT I THINK YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS COMING FROM RATEPAYERS VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE IN NEED. IT'S IT'S ALWAYS A TOUGH BALANCE FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE. BUT THAT'S AGAIN, AS AS JOSHUA POINTED OUT, OUR PREVIOUS GUIDANCE WAS TO BUDGET FOR THIS, TO PUT A PROGRAM IN PLACE, AND WE WERE BRINGING THAT FORWARD. WE CAN WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO SEE DIRECTION. HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? WE HAD HOPED WE WOULD HAVE THIS NONPROFIT STANDARD THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO KIND OF USE GOING FORWARD, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT HERE. AND SOMETIMES THE DOLLARS AREN'T REALLY THE CITY OUR SIZE IS JUST DOESN'T MAKE ENOUGH SENSE TO HAVE A SERVICE LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT AS WELL. BUT I THINK THE OTHER PART IS THAT I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC PROGRAM, AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE UP AND RUNNING ASAP. AND THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN WHEN I WAS BLOCK WALKING AND THIS WAS DURING LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, WE ALL EXPERIENCED LIKE THE OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT THAT FOOD BANKS, FOR EXAMPLE, EXPERIENCED AND EVEN FOR INDIVIDUALS, SOME DOORS THAT I KNOCKED ON WERE AFFECTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, YES, FALL WITHOUT OUTSIDE OF OF WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS ABLE TO DO. BUT OUR RESIDENTS ARE STILL AFFECTED. AND I ALSO DO UNDERSTAND MAYBE THE HESITANCY THAT SOME MEMBERS MIGHT HAVE WITH DOING THE SELF-TEST AT TEST. I CAN'T EVEN FREAKING PRONOUNCE THE WORD WHATEVER THAT IS. YES, WHERE THEY VERIFY IT THEMSELVES. AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE HESITANCY THAT MIGHT EXIST WITH THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE FEAR OF PEOPLE ABUSING IT, RIGHT? PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT ACTUALLY NEED IT, BUT WHO ARE TAKING SOMETHING THAT OTHERS MIGHT GREATLY NEED. SO I WAS WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BEHOOVE US TO ADOPT MAYBE LIKE A A SORT OF PHASED APPROACH TO IT, TO WHERE WE ALLOW FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, RECEIVING SNAP, WICK, SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY BENEFITS. AND THAT'S THE DOCUMENTATION. JUST LIKE THAT, PROOF OF THEM RECEIVING THOSE ASSISTANCE FROM THOSE PROGRAMS IS WHAT THEY SUBMIT AS PROOF, IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR SOME OF THE ASSISTANCE THAT WE DO HAVE LAID OUT. I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS VERY NECESSARY PROGRAM TO GET STARTED AND TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO MOST NEED IT ARE RECEIVING THE BENEFITS. AND SO I GUESS ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE WITH THAT IS IF WE WERE TO DO THE, THE, THE ROUTE THAT I JUST SUGGESTED, WHERE IT'S THOSE THAT ARE ON MEDICAID. SNAP TIP WICK. VETERAN AFFAIRS, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE, INDIVIDUALS WHO WHO HAVE THAT SUPPORT WOULD WE NEED TO DO LIKE COULD WE DO THAT IN HOUSE THEN. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING NECESSARILY INCOME VERIFICATION, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THOSE DOCUMENTS. OR WOULD THAT CREATE LIKE AN ENTIRE NEW I THINK WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A POLICY THAT COULD TRY TO CAPTURE THOSE THINGS, IF THAT'S WHAT THE THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND BRING THAT BACK. AND WE PROBABLY WOULD MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADJUST THE THE LEVELS. RIGHT NOW, IT'S BASED OFF OF ABOUT THREE MONTHS WORTH OF THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD. IF YOU CONSIDER THE AVERAGE UTILITY BILLS ABOUT $150 PER INDIVIDUAL, THAT WOULD FOR 6000 GALLON HOUSEHOLD THAT THAT WOULD ROUGHLY BE ABOUT THREE MONTHS WORTH OF OF WORK. BUT WE MAY RETOOL THAT IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IF STAFF HAS TO VERIFY SOME OF THOSE THINGS. I JUST I'M LOOKING A LITTLE BIT AT MY ATTORNEY NOW TO MAKE SURE. I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY COLLECT SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS, BUT JUST GETS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CERTIFIED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GO INTO THE DATABASE FOR SNAP AND SAY, YES, THEY'RE REALLY A RECIPIENT STILL OR SO JUST TO KNOW THAT THAT THERE'S STILL WAYS THAT THAT COULD BE ABUSED AS WELL. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT GOES FOR I THINK ANYTHING RIGHT THAT WE DO. AND SO BUT I THINK AT LEAST HAVING SOME METHOD OF, YOU KNOW, PROTECTION THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT MINIMUM WE'RE REQUESTING THESE DOCUMENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PROVIDE THOSE. WE ACCEPT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SUBMIT THAT, HEY, YOU'RE GETTING VETERANS AFFAIRS SUPPORTIVE HOUSING ASSISTANCE. YOU KNOW, WE TRUST THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED THAT CERTIFIES THAT. SO YES, YOU CAN GET SOME ASSISTANCE. THAT WAY YOUR WATER DOESN'T GET SHUT OFF. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY. WE CAN LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR SOME SORT OF COMBINATION OF THE RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, SWEARING THAT THEY HAVE A NEED AND WHAT THAT NEED IS AND WHAT DOCUMENTATION IT IS THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE 
          [03:55:02]
ACCEPTING AND KEEPING AS CITY RECORDS. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT I THINK THIS WAS PROBABLY MY INITIATIVE. AND THE THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT IT UP INITIALLY WAS THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO WAS SOMEWHAT DISABLED WHO WAS PAYING HER BILL LATE EVERY MONTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN HER SSI CHECK CAME IN, AND SHE WAS THEREFORE GETTING A FEE EVERY MONTH. THAT WAS ADDING TO THE COST OF HER BILL, AND IT WAS A REQUEST TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO ABOUT THOSE FEES FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE GET SO THEY DIDN'T GET BEHIND OR ADJUST THE BILLING DATE. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SIMPLE THINGS THAT THEY NEEDED. I THINK THAT $60,000 PROBABLY IS A VERY LOWEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY COST. AND IT'S IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, I THINK, FOR US TO JUST TURN PEOPLE AWAY. OH, WELL, THIS MONTH WE'VE USED UP ALL OUR MONEY. THAT WOULD BE REALLY SAD. BUT I DO THINK WE NEED THIS KIND OF ASSISTANCE. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE I KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE ETJ WITH THE INCREASE IN THEIR WATER BILL. 
          THERE ARE SOME THAT THAT REALLY THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH PAYING THAT I HAVE. NO, I'M, I'M IN THE CITY, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM PAYING MY INCREASE IN MY WATER BILL. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT IT IS CAUSING, ESPECIALLY IN THE ETJ, SOME LOW INCOME FAMILIES THAT I'M AWARE OF, THAT THE INCREASE IN THE WATER BILL HAS BEEN A REAL STRESSOR ON THEM. SO I REALLY DO THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM. I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT. 
          I THINK DOING IT IN HOUSE IS FINE. AND THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF FUNDING WE NEED IN THE COMING YEAR, OR MAYBE A YEAR AFTER WE'VE IMPLEMENTED. SO WE THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE ORIGINALLY WERE TALKING WITH, WERE GOING TO USE THE VERY TYPES OF CRITERIA SNAP, SSI, YOU KNOW, INCOME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK THAT WOULD THOSE WOULD BE GREAT. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE. NO. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER MEDINA, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COME TO FRUITION WITH THIS PROGRAM. I KNOW $60,000 IN ITSELF DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT WITH CERTAIN PARAMETERS SET, WE CAN HELP OUR RESIDENTS WITH THEIR UTILITY BILLS. I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS WILL SAY, WELL, YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO HELP US IF YOU DIDN'T RAISE OUR RATES, BUT THINK BACK TO A YEAR AGO. EVEN THEN, WE HAD RESIDENTS WHO NEEDED HELP WITH THEIR BILLS. AND I KNOW OVER HERE AT SAINT ANTHONY'S CATHOLIC CHURCH, THEY HAVE THE SAINT VINCENT DE PAUL PROGRAM THAT'S STRICTLY DONATION BASED, AND THEY SET PARAMETERS TO WHERE THEY HELP A FAMILY ONE TIME PER YEAR, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY PER MONTH, AND THAT COULD FLUCTUATE BASED ON WHAT THEIR DONATIONS ARE COMING IN. SO WE COULD SET SIMILAR PARAMETERS, YOU KNOW, AND IF AN AVERAGE WATER BILL WAS AS MUCH AS $300, YOU COULD ONLY HELP NECESSARILY WITH THAT 60,200 FAMILIES PER YEAR, WHICH AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT 16 FAMILIES PER MONTH. SO IT'S AT LEAST SOMEWHERE TO START. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COME BACK WITH A POSSIBILITY OF HELPING OUR FAMILIES. HAVE WE CONSIDERED WORKING WITH PSC ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? DO THEY HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE WHERE THEIR RESIDENTS TO WHERE WE LOOK AT A MAYBE DOES HAVE A UTILITY ASSISTANCE KIND OF. YOU KNOW, KIND OF NOT SO MUCH CONTRACT, BUT JUST TO KIND OF SEE HOW THEY THEY WORK ON THAT AND WHAT THEY DO AS FAR AS THEIR CUSTOMERS HERE IN OHIO, MAYBE LIKE A MATCH KIND OF PROGRAM OR LIKE COMMUNITY ACTION IN SAN MARCOS THAT HELP OUT. WE DID REACH OUT AND DISCUSSED HOW THEY DID THEIR PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO FACT FIND ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA WHO WERE DOING THIS, AND SOME OF THE DIFFICULTY WE THINK WE MIGHT HAVE THERE IS THEY DON'T SOLELY SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SEGREGATE THE DOLLARS TO THIS REGION. BUT THAT TO SAY I CAN MAKE THE PHONE CALL AND WE CAN HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE LOGISTICS. WHEN WE HAD CONVERSATIONS. YEAH, YOU NEVER KNOW. THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING ALREADY IN PLACE FOR KYLE RESIDENTS THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT AND ASKED TO SEE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY DID THE IN HOUSE OR IF THEY USED A THIRD PARTY, BECAUSE IF THEY USED A THIRD PARTY, WE WANTED TO REACH OUT TO THEIR THIRD PARTY. THERE YOU GO. THEY DO IT IN HOUSE. WELL, THEY THEY WOULD BE, IN FACT, IF WE CONTRACT WITH THEM, A THIRD PARTY, BUT THEY WOULD CHARGE US. 
          THEY WOULD. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. DO WE HAVE A 
          [04:00:02]
COST FOR DOING IT IN HOUSE? DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF REQUIREMENT WE DECIDE ON FOR BRINGING IN, I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE EXISTING STAFF THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH THE PAYMENT PLANS AND THE THE DEFAULTING PAYMENTS THAT COULD COULD MANAGE THIS PROGRAM WITHIN EXISTING FUNDS. AND THAT WAS OUR GOAL FOR BRINGING THIS BACK AGAIN. IT'S JUST NOT THE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD HAD WE HAD A THIRD PARTY THAT COULD VALIDATE IT. IT'S JUST THAT THE COST WAS TOO GREAT FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS. AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT ADDING THE ROUNDUP OR POTENTIAL DONATIONS TO OUR UTILITY BILL AS AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ROUND UP FOR THOSE POOLS. IT JUST WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH ALL THE LOGISTICS YET ON GETTING THE PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING, SO IT'S HARD TO EVEN TALK ABOUT FUNDING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN FIGURED OUT HOW WE COULD DO THAT YET. YEAH, IF WE DO THE ROUNDUP. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, MAYOR, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY TO THAT POINT, THIS IS HOPEFULLY A START OF A PROGRAM IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO PROCEED WITH IT. AND AS WE LEARN MORE ABOUT IT, LEARN MORE ABOUT THE USAGE AND THE NEEDS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND LOOK AT EITHER THE BUDGET OR THE DONATIONS, OR HOW OTHER WAYS TO KIND OF AUGMENT IT. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GUESS WHAT WE THINK THAT NEED IS AND HOW TO HOW TO USE IT AS BEST WE CAN. BUT I THINK IF THE PROGRAM DOES ACTUALLY START, YOU LAUNCH A PILOT PROGRAM, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE BETTER DETAILS ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT. SO OFFER THAT FOR YOU. DO DO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON A PAYMENT PLAN? IT FLUCTUATES QUITE A BIT, BUT IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE HAVE A NUMBER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PAST DUE? NOT WITH ME. I'D HAVE TO. I'D HAVE TO. I'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. I THINK THOSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE GOOD FACTORS IN DECIDING HOW THIS PROGRAM WOULD WORK. I ALSO THINK MAYBE THE CITY CAN DO THINGS. DOCTOR LAURA LEE COUNCIL MEMBER LAURA LEE HARRIS HAD A GREAT POINT WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT GETTING IT RIGHT, BUT ALSO WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT THE EXAMPLE, SHE SAID IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE MAYBE SHE NEEDED ASSISTANCE, MAYBE SHE JUST NEEDED TO CHANGE THE DATE OF HER PAYMENT. AND CAN THE CITY BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT? SOMETIMES? I MEAN, IT'S HARD WHEN YOU'RE LATE AND THEN YOU GET A LATE FEE, AND THEN IT PUTS YOU EVEN MORE FAR BEHIND. AND ALSO, MAYBE FOR CERTAIN CUSTOMERS, WE CAN EXEMPT THEM FROM THE ONLINE FEE, WHICH CAN THOSE CAN PILE UP TO JUST DOING THINGS THAT WE ALREADY ARE IN CONTROL OF, THAT WE CAN MAKE THESE LITTLE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WILL HELP BRING SOME RELIEF TO THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, WE BROUGHT BACK THE UTILITY BILLING ORDINANCE AND DID BUILD IN SOME LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS STAFF TO HAVE SOME OF THAT FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE, BECAUSE UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE, WE WERE NOT GRANTED THAT ABILITY. IT BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS. AND SO WE ADDED PARAMETERS. NOW THAT THAT GIVE THE CITY MANAGER ULTIMATE ABILITY TO, TO, TO WAIVE FEES. 
          WHEN WE RUN INTO THOSE ONE OFF SITUATIONS THAT WE WE NEED TO ESCALATE TO THAT LEVEL. WELL, AND SOMETIMES THE 15TH MAY NOT BE GOOD FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SET THEIR DATE TO BE THE 30TH? I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF CUMBERSOME, BUT OTHER THAN MANPOWER, WE'RE NOT GIVING UP ANY MONEY AS FAR AS TAXPAYER MONEY, YOU KNOW, SO CAN WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT? AND THIS MAY BE A CULMINATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, NOT JUST ONE STRAIGHT THING, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL THEM. AND THEIR BILLS ARE $800. AND I TALKED TO A LADY WHO BOUGHT HER HOUSE SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR LIKE $200,000. SO NOW YOU HAVE THESE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A PREDOMINANTLY I MEAN, THAT'S SIX CREEK IS A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT WHEN SHE BOUGHT HER HOUSE, IT WASN'T THE $500,000 HOUSE THAT IT'S PROBABLY APPRAISED AT TODAY. AND SO SHE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD HER 4 OR $500 WATER BILL. 
          SO MAYBE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS ON PAYMENT DATES. I LOVE THE ROUNDUP PROGRAM. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. EVERY TIME I GO TO H-E-B, I EITHER I HAVE TO DECIDE, DO I WANT TO ROUND UP OR DO I NOT? BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROMPT FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE I WOULD PROBABLY SAY EIGHT OUT OF TEN TIMES I'D CLICK YEAH, ROUND UP. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU GUYS WANT FROM US. WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US PURSUING PROCEEDING WITH THE IN-HOUSE PROGRAM THAT JOSHUA HAS OUTLINED WITH SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS RELATED TO SNAP AND SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS OF US TRYING TO ADD THAT TO THE ELIGIBILITY, AND THEN WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU WITH AN ACTUAL POLICY AND ASK YOU TO VOTE ON THAT POLICY WITH ANY OTHER DIRECTION THAT YOU HAVE. BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING, I THINK. JUST LOOKING AHEAD NODS. AGAIN, THIS IS GENERAL DIRECTION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK AS AN ACTION ITEM, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? AND I KNOW MAYBE A VICTIM OF YOUR OWN SUCCESS, BUT I HAVE COMPLETE CONFIDENCE IN YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS INTERNALLY. I THINK ONE OF THE 
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LOGICAL EXTENSIONS FROM THE THAT MAY BE IN THE FUTURE WE WANT TO DISCUSS IS HAVING SOMEBODY THAT CAN DO SOME COUNSELING WITH PEOPLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, FOR INSTANCE, THE WOMAN THAT'S GETTING A REALLY BIG BILL AND. AND IT'S SURPRISING HER MAYBE MAKING SURE THAT WE CHECK THE HOME TO MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T LEAKS THAT THERE. WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT HER WATER PATTERNS SINCE WE KNOW NOW FROM OUR NEW METERS WHAT THAT IS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IS THE BILLING APPROPRIATE. SO THERE COULD BE SOME EXTENSIONS THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE EVEN MORE THAN JUST ADJUSTING THE BILL. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YEAH. 
          WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. AND ONE OTHER THING IS WE WERE JUST TALKING THAT OCCURRED TO ME IS OUR ARMY PROGRAM LOOKING AT REAL TIME BILLING DATA AND USAGE, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SEE IF THERE IS A LEAK. YOU'RE HAVING USAGE AT NIGHT WHEN YOU'RE ASLEEP, WHAT'S GOING ON? WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND TRY TO LOOK AT HOW TO BLEND ALL THAT TOGETHER. 
          SO YES, I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IF WE GOT. ALL 
          [16) Consider nominations and selection of Mayor Pro Tem for 2026.]
RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. WE'RE GOING TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16. CONSIDER NOMINATIONS AND SELECTIONS OF MAYOR PRO TEM FOR 2026. SO I'M GOING TO BEGIN THIS WITH ANYBODY WHO MAY BE INTERESTED. I THINK FOR THE MOST PART WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEAD A MEETING. I IF I CAN DO IT, ANYBODY CAN DO IT. AND SO ALTHOUGH I STRUGGLED A LITTLE BIT, I THINK THE CAPABILITY IS THERE FOR EVERYBODY. SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER, WE CAN START FROM THERE. OR IF ANYBODY HAS ANY MOTIONS TO NOMINATE SOMEONE, I'M OPEN FOR THAT TOO. I'LL BE WILLING TO ASSIST, IF NEED BE, TO BE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR THIS YEAR. I'M THE OLDEST ONE. THE OLD GOAT ON THIS DAIS. I'VE LET SOME OF THE MEETINGS THESE PAST FEW WEEKS, THESE PAST FEW MONTHS, YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO BY ALL MEANS TO WANT TO TAKE THE HELM TO, I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THEM AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER, AS YOU HAVE SERVED AS MAYOR PRO TEM ONE YEAR, RIGHT, IN 22, HAD YOU ASKED FOR NOMINATIONS BEFORE VOLUNTEERS, I WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS. WELL, I KNOW HE'S DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB RUNNING MEETINGS IN THE PAST. HE'S GOT MY CONFIDENCE. ALL RIGHT. IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SELECT COUNCILMEMBER TOBIAS AS MAYOR PRO TEM FOR 2026. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR YVONNE FLORES AND A SECOND BY DOCTOR LAURA, COUNCILMEMBER LAURA LEE HARRIS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, 
          [19) Consider directing the City Manager to bring back a presentation on January 20, 2026, regarding the City's existing and anticipated bond debt, including (1) the total amount currently owed by the City for bonds; (2) the amount of additional bond debt anticipated to be incurred over the next five years; (3) the anticipated property tax rate increases necessary for Kyle homeowners; and (4) the rate increase necessary for water/wastewater utility customers.]
NEXT WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM 19. AND THIS IS MY AGENDA ITEM. CONSIDER DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A PRESENTATION ON JANUARY 20TH, 2026 REGARDING THE CITY'S EXISTING AND ANTICIPATED BOND DEBT, INCLUDING ONE THE TOTAL AMOUNT CURRENTLY OWED BY THE CITY FOR BONDS TO THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL BOND TO ANTICIPATED TO BE INCURRED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THREE THE ANTICIPATED PROPERTY TAX RATE INCREASES NECESSARY FOR HOMEOWNERS AND FOR THE RATE INCREASES NECESSARY FOR THE WATER WASTEWATER UTILITY CUSTOMERS. THE REASON WHY I BRING THIS NOW EARLY IS SO WE CAN PREPARE FOR OUR BUDGET SEASON. I'M GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE OF AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BRING AWARENESS TO OUR COUNCIL. THIS IS NOT A DIG AT ANYBODY. THIS IS PURELY TO EDUCATE OUR COUNCIL. MANY PEOPLE HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW, I MAKE IT A POINT TO TO DO IT EVERY YEAR. 
          AND SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS JUST THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK PRESENTATION, TO HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION. I'VE ALSO HAD RESIDENTS ASKED FOR THIS, THE BOND INFORMATION, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. SEEMS LIKE I REMEMBER SEEING THIS INFORMATION BEFORE. IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME? YES, YES. AM I JUST IMAGINING THAT? NO, MA'AM. I SHARE THIS WITH THE MAYOR. 
          WHEN WE MET A WEEK OR TWO AGO, THAT WE HAD A PRETTY DETAILED PRESENTATION THAT WE PROVIDED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO WE'VE SHARED IT PUBLICLY AND WITH THIS COUNCIL IN THE PAST, BUT THAT, YES, YOU HAVE SEEN THAT BEFORE. WELL, SOME OF US HAVE. WE HAVE FOUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AVAILABLE. IT'S IT'S READILY AVAILABLE. WELL, THAT INFORMATION THAT WE HAD AT THE 
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TIME, YES, IT IS AVAILABLE IN THAT PRESENTATION THAT WE DID AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          AND I THINK WE DID IT A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES WHEN WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET BACK IN SEPTEMBER. 
          BUT IF THE REQUEST IS THAT WE UPDATE IT, UPDATE THE INFORMATION, IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO TO DO THAT INTO THE DETAIL THAT YOU'RE ASKING. IF YOU JUST WANT ME TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU THE SAME INFORMATION THAT YOU HAD BEFORE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR INFORMATION THAT WENT INTO THE BUDGET, BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO TO DO UPDATE ALL THE PROJECTIONS, ALL THE INFORMATION, ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK FOR MORE TIME, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TURN AROUND. 
          I DO HAVE TO POST THAT AGENDA WITH ALL THE BACKUP IN SIX DAYS. RIGHT NOW. THAT'S FAIR. AND I CAN WE CAN PUSH IT TO ANOTHER DATE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS IS NOT INFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT TOGETHER PRIOR TO. SO THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IN THE PAST, BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT INFORMATION. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR BUDGET SEASON. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO? YES. WE COULD TURN AROUND THAT VERY QUICKLY JUST TO GIVE YOU THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE THE PRINCIPAL INTEREST. ALL THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE RECALCULATED. 
          AND THEN THE PROJECTIONS YOU'RE ASKING FOR ON WATER RATES AND PROPERTY TAX RATES AND THOSE THINGS, THOSE TAKE SOME TIME TO PUT TOGETHER AS WE LOOK AT WHAT DO WE THINK THE PRELIMINARY VALUES ARE GOING TO BE? WHAT HAVE BEEN OUR AUDITED FINANCIAL NUMBERS THAT WE GET, WHICH WE'LL GET THOSE AGAIN AT LATE FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH. SO TYPICALLY WE BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU IN THE APRIL MAY TIME FRAME AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE SHOW ALL OF THAT. AND THEN WE HAVE THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING FORWARD. IF YOU WANT IT SOONER, WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO DO IT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE THE DIFFICULTY WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTIONS TO UPDATE THEM. I JUST OFFER THAT TO YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT THE INFORMATION IS. OKAY. I'M WILLING TO MOVE IT TO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL, IF THAT GIVES YOU SOME MORE TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT VISION WORKSHOP AND THEY GET PREPARED FOR THAT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE REAL QUICK IF IT'S IN TWO WEEKS. AND THEN WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE IN MARCH TO BE FAIR FOR THE FOR THEM AS WELL. YEAH. LET ME SEE WHAT IS THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL. AND AGAIN, I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR VISION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VISIONING WITHIN OUR BUDGET AND OUR MEANS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S KIND OF SILLY TO HAVE A VISION THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD. SO IT LOOKS LIKE APRIL 7TH. IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU. WELL, IT FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. WELL THEN, STARTING IT APRIL, MAY THEY SAID IN APRIL, MAY. SO I THINK WHATEVER THE TIMING WOULD BE RIGHT ON THAT BUDGET PROCESS WOULD BE WHEN THEY WOULD BE BRINGING IT BACK TO US RATHER THAN TELLING THEM ARBITRARILY THAT DAY. OH, OKAY. IT'S JUST THIS IS ALL STUFF THAT GOES INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS. IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T GET ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE DO WELL. THIS IS INFORMATION THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AND YOU HAVEN'T CURRENTLY SEEN. YES, THEY DO HAVE. OKAY. WELL HE JUST SAYS HE COULDN'T PROVIDE IT. HE SAID IF WE WANTED THE PREVIOUS. YEAH IT IT'S OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS WHAT HE'S GOT. BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE IS IF YOU WANT IT AS OF TODAY. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU AND THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS PAST YEAR. I DO NOT HAVE UPDATED NEW PROJECTIONS FOR ALL OF THE RATES. SO THAT'S THE QUESTION. 
          BUT I WILL OF COURSE. BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT ME TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED BEFORE, OR ARE YOU ASKING ME TO UPDATE ALL THE PROJECTIONS MOVING FORWARD? THAT'S A DIFFERENCE. OKAY. IF YOU'RE ASKING ME TO UPDATE THOSE, IT WILL REQUIRE MORE TIME. AND THAT'S A PROCESS THAT GENERALLY FALLS WITHIN THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          OKAY. SO WHAT DAY WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU GUYS TO BRING THIS. DO WE HAVE I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE. I THINK SOMETHING IN THE APRIL MAY TIME FRAME IS DEFINITELY DOABLE. AND THAT'S PRETTY I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC DATE MAYOR OF WHEN WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT. SO I'M HESITANT TO GIVE YOU THAT. OKAY. 
          IF YOU WANT TO SAY APRIL, WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO BRING IT FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I MEET THE EXPECTATIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON THAT. OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 AND TO BE BROUGHT BACK DURING THE BUDGET SEASON. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR YVONNE FLORES, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DOBIAS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. IF I MAY ADD. I THINK LAST YEAR WE HAD OUR FIRST BUDGET MEETING, LIKE THE SECOND WEEK OF MAY. 
          PERFECT. MAY 10TH OF LAST OF LAST YEAR. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE BUDGET INFORMATION STILL 
          [20) Discussion and possible action directing the City Manager to bring back a presentation on February 3, 2026, detailing the City's total payroll costs for fiscal periods 2019-2025, including but not limited to the costs for payroll taxes, health insurance and retirement benefits for each City department.]
WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM 20 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A PRESENTATION ON FEBRUARY 3RD, 2026 DETAILING THE CITY'S TOTAL PAYROLL COSTS FOR FISCAL PERIODS 2019 TO 2025, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE COST FOR PAYROLL TAXES, HEALTH INSURANCE, RETIREMENT BENEFITS FOR EACH CITY DEPARTMENT. THE REASON WHY I'M 
          [04:15:02]
BRINGING THIS BACK IS BECAUSE WITH OUR PARKS GROWING, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET A GOOD IDEA OF HOW MANY FULL TIME EMPLOYEES WE'RE GOING TO NEED. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT. AND SO JUST A PRESENTATION WOULD BE IDEAL. SO THAT'S ALSO PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS WHEN WE. THE THE STAFF GIVE US WHAT THOSE NUMBERS HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN. YOU'VE GOT THEM FOR ALL THE PREVIOUS YEARS. THEY CAN GO EASILY ON A CHART. 
          BUT THEN THE DEPARTMENTS PROJECT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE COMING YEAR. 
          SO IT'S IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. PERFECT. AND THEN THERE'S NO WE ALL AGREE. SO WE CAN HAVE THEM FROM 2019 TO 2025. WE CAN ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT. SO WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, ACTUALLY HAVE SOME DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE. TO MAKE A MOTION, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION AND STILL DISCUSS. IS IT OKAY IF I JUST SAY IT BEFORE? SURE. THANK YOU. I THINK ONE WHAT IS THE REASONING FOR 2019 TO 2025? SO JUST TO GET A GENERALIZED IDEA, IF WE DO IT EVERY TWO YEARS, IF WE DO IT, YOU KNOW, IN A MORE LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET A GOOD IDEA. FOR THOSE WHO'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2019 HAVE BEEN ACTIVE. WE'VE SEEN THE GROWTH WITHIN OUR CITY AND WE ALSO ANTICIPATE GROW EVEN BIGGER. SO THIS WILL GIVE US A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE. SO THOSE WERE ARBITRARY NUMBERS THAT WERE THEN BROUGHT UP, I THINK, BECAUSE MY MY OVERALL CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF THE THE REASONING THAT YOU PROVIDED WAS BECAUSE OF PARKS, THEN IT'S LIKE, THEN LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION, NOT ABOUT BRINGING THE TOTAL PAYROLL COST, BUT THEN LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT PARKS, RIGHT? AND, AND WHERE WE SEE THAT GOING AND HOW WE SEE THAT GROWING AND, AND WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO. I THINK THAT'S PART OF LIKE THAT VISIONING STUFF. BUT I, I AM VERY HESITANT TO BRING AND ASK STAFF TO PULL TOGETHER THE TOTAL PAYROLL COSTS WITHOUT ONE, LIKE THE NUMBERS BETWEEN 2019 AND 2025 SEEM TO HAVE BEEN ARBITRARILY CHOSEN. AND I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DO NOT WANT FOR US TO, I THINK, OVERSTEP THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND OUR DIRECTORS AND OUR CITY MANAGER, WHO ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY HERE, FULL TIME EMPLOYEES THAT CONSTANTLY SEE THE WORK IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING, AND THAT ARE BETTER ABLE TO ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF FTES THAT WE MIGHT NEED. I THINK IN ADDITION TO IN ADDITION TO THAT, BRINGING ABOUT THE TOTAL PAYROLL COSTS, TAXES, HEALTH INSURANCE, RETIREMENT BENEFITS FOR EACH CITY DEPARTMENT, I THINK CAN WITHOUT THE CONTEXT, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN JUST BRINGING IN HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF LIKE PRE COVID, POST COVID, YOU KNOW, AND BRINGING IN PUTTING ALL OF THAT IN CONTEXT, WE CAN SET UP OUR CITY STAFF TO BE SCRUTINIZED AND CITY CITY STAFF SALARY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I FOR, FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, REGULAR STAFF THAT COMES IN AND PERFORMS THE JOB. THOSE AREN'T THE THINGS THAT I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO BE PUTTING OUT THERE FOR SCRUTINY OR FOR US TO ALSO BE THE ULTIMATELY LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE DECIDING, DISCUSSING THAT. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE REASONING BEHIND THIS, LIKE YOU STATED, WAS BECAUSE OF PARKS, THEN LET'S ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR PARKS WHERE WE SEE IT GROWING, WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO PULL BACK SOME LIKE THAT SORT OF STUFF. I THINK THAT'S THE ROLE THAT COUNCIL HAS. AND SO I THINK THIS I JUST I DON'T AGREE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER THIS IS IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. IT IS PART OF THE PROCESS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT UP AT THIS POINT. IT'S ALL INFORMATION WE'LL BE RECEIVING NOT NECESSARILY 19 TO 25 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT COMPARABLE FOR THE GROWTH OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW. BUT WE GET IT FOR AT LEAST THE COMPS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS ON THE BUDGET. AND I KNOW AT LEAST THE LAST YEAR, BUT IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AND WE GET ALL OF THE POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN WHAT POSITION. SO IT'S BY DEPARTMENT. 
          I JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET PROCESS. TO MY APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTING DIRECTOR HARRIS, BUT THEY EACH DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR MORE STAFF THAN WHAT WE COULD LIKE FISCALLY PROVIDE. AGREED. YEAH. THAT'S PART OF OUR. AND THIS ISN'T THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS IS FIGURING OUT LIKE, HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT TO OUR RESIDENTS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE FINITE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US? I AGREE WITH THAT. AND HERE'S THE 
          [04:20:04]
DEAL. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PARKS. I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS ABOUT PARKS. I USED PARKS AS AN EXAMPLE. SO MY APOLOGIES IF THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST FULL TIME EMPLOYEES AND STAFF IN GENERAL. AND I THINK THE KEY TO MAKING GOOD VOTES IS HAVING A GOOD CONCEPT OF THE PAST. AND SO THAT WILL HELP US PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. NOBODY HAS TO AGREE WITH IT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DIVISIVE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MICROMANAGING. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT WHAT OUR JOB IS TO DO. OUR JOB IS OVERSIGHT. AND SO AS SOMEBODY WHO SITS UP HERE AND HAS TO APPROVE A BUDGET, I WANT TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IF EVERYBODY ELSE DOESN'T WANT THAT INFORMATION, THEY CAN JUST VOTE NO. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO HARM, NO FOUL. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE INTENT? YEAH. TO HELP PREPARE, PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE HISTORICALLY AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, LIKE JUST MAKING SURE. I MEAN, OUR TOWN. DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT OUR POPULATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHEN WE, WHEN WE, LIKE, ARE GROWN OUT BECAUSE IT'S EXPECTED TO BE 120,000? OKAY. 
          AND PLUS WELL, IF OUR WATER ALLOWS FOR IT. BUT I MEAN FINDING AND UNDERSTANDING THE ECONOMICS OF A GROWING TOWN, I THINK IS PART OF OUR JOB. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE. AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE DO THAT BY HOPEFULLY TAKING OUR CURRENT SITUATION, LOOKING AT THE PAST, SEEING HOW THAT WENT AND THEN HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD. WE ALREADY DO THAT AS A PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          THIS IS ALSO IT CROSSES A LINE. THERE'S A THRESHOLD IN OUR CHARTER WHICH IS THAT SEPARATES US FROM STAFFING DECISIONS. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IS THAT IS BRIDGING, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. LIKE IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE BRIDGING THAT LINE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BRIDGE. THERE'S THERE'S A HARD LINE BETWEEN US AND STAFFING FOR A REASON. SO DO YOU WHEN WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET, DO YOU VOTE ON FULL TIME EMPLOYEES BUDGET DISCUSSIONS? YES. SO THAT IS OUR THAT IS IN OUR PURVIEW. YES. SO SO AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON IT, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22ND. SECOND BY OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER YVONNE MAYOR YVONNE FLORES, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GOSA. I'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS, PLEASE. MCKINNEY. NO. ZAPATA. NO! TOBIAS. NO! GOSA. YES. 
          HARRIS. NO. FLORES. KILL! YES. MEDINA. NO! OKAY. ITEM FILLS 5 TO 2. I THINK. IS THAT ALL WE HAVE? MOTION TO ADJOURN. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A
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