Jan 20, 2026 City Council Regular Meeting

[3) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback on conceptual design and engagement strategies for Gregg-Clarke Park and Waterleaf Park. ]

HAVE REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A REPORT HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK ON A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES FOR GREG CLARK PARK AND WATER PARK ITEM PRESENTER DAVID LOPEZ. GOOD EVENING HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. THE MOMENT A RIBBON IS CUT ON ANY CAPITAL ASSET, THE LIVE CLOCK BEGINS FOR THE USEFUL LIFE. MOST CAPITAL PROJECTS AVERAGE 15 TO 20 YEAR LIFESPAN, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ASSET IS, TO REACH THE MINIMUM LIFESPAN AND ENSURE GOOD STEWARDSHIP, MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP BY WELL-TRAINED STAFF IS ESSENTIAL USING BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. WHEN THE USEFUL LIFE OF A CAPITAL ASSET EXPIRES OR GOES BEYOND ITS USEFUL LIFE, IT'S ESSENTIAL TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY AND CONTINUE ACCESS BY RESIDENTS FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT ASSET FOR THE BEST QUALITY OF LIFE OUTCOMES. AS OUR COMMUNITY GROWS, IT NEEDS ITS NEEDS GROW AND THE CITY MUST CAREFULLY MANAGE ITS EXISTING PARK INVENTORY AS WELL AS THE THE NEW NEEDS. FAILURE TO PROPERLY PLAN FOR PARKS CAN RESULT IN DANGEROUS DEFERRAL OF MAINTENANCE, POOR QUALITY OF PROJECTS THAT WILL NEVER REACH THEIR USEFUL LIFE BY POOR DESIGN, CONTRADICTORY OR COUNTERPRODUCTIVE ASSETS, FUTILE SPENDING INEQUITY, HIGH BARRIERS TO ENTRY, AND INABILITY TO MEET THE NEEDS FOR A HEALTHY COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENT. GREG CLARK PARK IS ONE OF OUR MOST BELOVED PARKS AND HIGHLY UTILIZED IN THE CITY OF KYLE. IT ACTS AS A COMMUNITY HUB. IT'S A PARK FOR FAMILIES. HOWEVER, IT IS RAPIDLY DECLINING DUE TO LACK OF COMPLEMENTARY DESIGN, SOME POORLY DESIGNED ASSETS AND ASSETS AT OR BEYOND THEIR USEFUL LIFE. WATERLOO PARK ALSO HAS MUCH POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL TRAIL ACCESS FOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, OUTDOOR EDUCATION AND CONSERVATION, BUT NEEDS PROPER PLANNING TO ENSURE THE OPTIMAL INVESTMENT FOR OPTIMIZED PROGRAMING THAT SERVES THE COMMUNITY. TONIGHT, WE'LL BE GOING OVER SOME PROJECT BACKGROUND FOR THESE TWO PARKS AND ACTIVITIES. UPDATE WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW CONCEPTS FOR EACH OF THESE PARKS, AS WELL AS THE REMAINING SCHEDULE AND PRESENTATIONS FOR THE MASTER PLANNING OF GREG CLARK PARK AND WATERLOO PARK. SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TEAM CHRIS ESCOTO WITH PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES. OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, WILLIAM ATKINSON, IS THE PARKS PLANNING AND PROJECTS MANAGER. HE'S BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS HERE TONIGHT. WE ALSO HAVE BRIAN JANSEN, PROJECT MANAGER FROM FRIESEN NICHOLS, OUR CONSULTANT FOR THESE PROJECTS, AS WELL AS DAVID BUCHANAN, BOTH LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. SO WHAT IS A MASTER PLAN? A MASTER PLAN SETS THE LONG TERM VISION FOR THE PARK. IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE THE PROPER GUIDELINES TO SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THE CAPITAL ASSET MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT, WHAT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND INCORPORATES EVERYTHING THE COMMUNITY HAS NEEDED THROUGH OUR COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN, AS WELL AS THESE INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS. SO WE ARE SURE THAT WE ARE RELEVANT AND LINING YOU UP WITH COMMUNITY NEEDS.

IT'S GOING TO SHOW YOU THE CONCEPT AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL IT DOESN'T GO INTO CONSTRUCTION DESIGN, BUT IT'S GOING TO SHOW YOU WHERE REPLACEMENT IS AND PROGRAMING IS OPTIMAL. IT'S ALSO GOING TO SHOW YOU THE COST PHASING BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS ARE EXPENSIVE, AND RARELY ARE THEY REALIZED IN ONE SWING AT THE PLATE. THEY TAKE TIME, THEY TAKE CAREFUL INVESTMENT AND DUE

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DILIGENCE. AND IT'S THIS PLAN IS GOING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS FOR THE FUTURE. SO OUR PROJECT TEAM AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE MASTER PLANNING. WE BEGAN THIS IN MAY OF 2025, FOLLOWING CLOSELY ON THE HEELS OF THE ADOPTION OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN. BOTH THESE PARKS ARE IDENTIFIED AS KEY TARGETS AS PART OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE EFFORT ALIGNS WITH NEEDS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SYSTEM WIDE.

THE END RESULT IS CLEAR GUIDANCE ON INFORMED DECISIONS. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S GOING TO BE OUR ROADMAP TO SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISHING THAT. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE BRIAN JOHNSON, A NICHOLS, TO GO INTO THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD COVER GREG CLARK PARK. THANK YOU, DAVID. COUNCIL, IT'S GREAT TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SORT OF OUR ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN AS WE SORT OF PLAN OUT THESE TWO PARKS. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS WE'RE GOING TO DIVE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ON THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. WE'RE GOING TO DO A SUMMARY FOR YOU GUYS ON OUR INITIAL FINDINGS FROM OUR SITE INVENTORY AND ANALYSIS OF THE PARK CONDITIONS. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC INPUT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE EARLY CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS FOR BOTH PARKS. SO TO EXPAND ON WHAT DAVID SAID A LITTLE BIT, THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS IS SORT OF BROKEN UP INTO FOUR CATEGORIES, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE INVENTORY AND ASSESSMENT, THE SECOND ONE BEING CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT, FOLLOWED SHORTLY THEREAFTER BY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND THEN THE FINAL MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. SO DURING THE INVENTORY AND ASSESSMENT PHASE, WE'VE DONE A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY OUT AT GREG CLARK PARK. WE'VE HAD A POOL ASSESSMENT DONE FOR THE POOL. WE HAVE DONE MANY NUMEROUS GROUND ON THE GROUND ASSESSMENTS, AND WE'VE DONE SOME OPPORTUNITIES AND CONSTRAINTS MAPPING. AND SO LAYERING ON TOP OF THAT, WE'VE BEGUN A CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT PHASE. WE INITIATED SEVERAL CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE SHOWN TO NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC BUT ALSO TO THE PARKS BOARD. ONCE WE HAVE DONE THAT, WE TOOK THAT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE SHOWED THEM OUR EFFORTS THUS FAR, LAID OUT OUR OUR CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS, ASK THEM FOR INPUT ON CERTAIN ASPECTS AND PREFERENCES, AND THEN NOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE EMBARKING ON AFTER THIS MEETING IS THE FINAL MASTER PLAN PROCESS. SO THE BIG KEY TAKEAWAY FOR THAT IS WE WILL BE DEVELOPING THE COST OPINIONS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN A VISION ESTABLISHMENT PHASE. AND SO ONCE WE GET THAT TIED DOWN WE WILL ABLE TO LIKE WHAT DAVID SAID WAS WE'LL BE ABLE TO PHASE THESE PROJECTS AND PACKAGES DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH A CIP OR GRANT OR OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO MOVING ON TO THE, THE, THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAD ON THE PARK CONDITIONS, I WANT TO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WHERE THESE PARKS HAVE SORT OF COME OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS. IN 1996, GREG CLARK PARK WAS BASICALLY UNDEVELOPED LAND. THEN IN 1997, THE DEVELOPMENT STARTED. THERE WAS A NORTH SOUTH ACCESS ROAD THAT'S STILL THERE TODAY. TENNIS COURTS AND BASKETBALL COURTS WERE ADDED, PLAYGROUNDS AND SOME BALL FIELDS. THEN IN 2005, THE JAMES ADKIN POOL OPENED FOR BUSINESS. AND COINCIDENTALLY, THAT WAS THE SAME YEAR THAT WATERLEAF PARK CAME ONLINE. A WATER LEAF SORT OF DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT DECADE. BUT ESSENTIALLY SINCE 2005, WATER LEAF HAS NOT HAD SUBSTANTIVE IMPROVEMENTS. THEN IN 2011, THE FOURPLEX THAT'S THERE NOW, TODAY FOR THE FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE WAS OPENED AT GREG CLARK.

AND THEN IN 2019, THE ASH PAVILION OPENED. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS ABOUT 30 YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A SCATTERSHOT DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS IT'S NOW SHOWING ITS AGE. SO TO DAVID'S POINT, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AND SORT OF PLAN OUT THE NEXT ITERATION OF EACH OF THESE PARKS FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF 25 TO 30 YEARS.

PARKS BOARD IS OR PARKS IS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ONGOING OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE CONCERNS RELATING TO. THE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE INFIELD FOR THE BALL, BALL, DIAMONDS, THE PLAYGROUNDS, THE SURFACING WHICH ALWAYS HAS TO BE MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER YEAR OR SO. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS WITH THIS PLANNING EFFORT IS ALL THE

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UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE TYPE OF PARK PLANNING THAT IS EXPEDITING SOMETHING BASED ON A AN IMMEDIATE NEED WITHOUT HAVING A PLAN IN PLACE TO SORT OF FIT THOSE PUZZLE PIECES IN WHERE THEY FIT. SO THE GOAL FOR THIS EFFORT, AGAIN, IS TO SORT OF CREATE A UNIFYING ESTHETIC THROUGHOUT BOTH OF THESE PARKS. WE WANT THEM TO BE FUNCTIONAL. WE WANT THEM TO WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE THE THE PROGRAMING AT THESE PARKS AND DO IT IN A SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE WAY. SO. I WANT TO GO THROUGH NOW THE SOME OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. SO STARTING BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THE KYLE PARKS BOARD. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THEIR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAD A HALF DAY CHARRETTE SESSION WITH THE CITY STAFF AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. WE TALKED THROUGH ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, AQUATICS PROGRAMING TO SORT OF THE NEWLY ADOPTED PROS MASTER PLAN AND WHAT TYPE OF ACTIVITIES MAY BE SHIFTING AROUND THE CITY THAT WE MAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TO FREE UP, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL REAL ESTATE AT SOME OF THESE PARKS.

THEN IN EARLY DECEMBER, WE HAD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE HAD ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN AND ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A STAFF POP UP EVENT AT THE GRINCH FEST.

SO WE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WERE ATTENDING THAT THAT DROPPED BY TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THE CONCEPTS. AND THEN IN DECEMBER, MID-DECEMBER, WE CAME BACK TO THE PARKS BOARD AND SHOWED THEM TO CONCEPTS WHICH WE HAD RELEASED OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GOTTEN THEIR FEEDBACK FROM. SO DURING THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EVENTS, WE HAD OVER 100 PARTICIPANTS COME TO TWO OF THOSE TO COME TO THE TWO OF THOSE MEETINGS IN EARLY DECEMBER, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS A REALLY EXCEPTIONAL TURNOUT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON. WE HAD SOME VERY ENGAGED GROUPS THAT ATTENDED. WE ASKED FOR THEIR PREFERENCE ON THE CONCEPTS THAT WE WERE PRESENTING. WE ASKED THEM FOR A PREFERENCE ON THE LIST OF AMENITIES THAT WE WERE PROPOSING, AND WE JUST THOUGHT THEIR GENERAL COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK. AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAD A POP UP EVENT AT THE GRINCH FEST AND WE HAVE GIVEN A SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS TO THE PARK BOARD THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

NOW, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE CONCEPTS, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION SOME OF THE EARLY WINS THAT EACH OF THESE PARKS HAS GOING FOR IT RIGHT NOW. AS PROBABLY ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE, THERE IS A CURRENT ALL WHEEL SKATE PARK UNDER DESIGN FOR GREG CLARK PARK, AND THEN AT WATERLEAF PARK, THERE WAS A NEW AND EXPANDED PLAYGROUND. THAT WAS I THINK THE RIBBON CUTTING WAS AROUND HALLOWEEN OF THIS YEAR. SO BRAND NEW SHADE CANOPIES, BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT SURFACING, ETC. THERE'S ALSO A PARKING LOT PROJECT AT WATERLEAF WHICH IS GOING TO BE COMING ONLINE SHORTLY. THAT'S STILL IN DESIGN. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A A NEW RESTROOM FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE AN AMENITY FOR THE VIBE TRAIL, WHICH COMES THROUGH WATERLEAF PARK. SO I WANTED TO SHARE THESE BECAUSE WHAT WE DID WAS SORT OF WITH THIS, WITH THIS IDEA OF MAKING A PLAN THAT FITS FOR, YOU KNOW, PHASED ROLLOUT OVER TIME. WE WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY ARE INCORPORATED WITHIN OUR PLANS SO THAT WE WON'T HAVE ANY WASTED EFFORT IN MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY OF THESE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT EITHER OF THESE PARKS. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE DAVID, AND HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PARK CONCEPTS. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCIL, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND IN FRONT OF YOU ALL AND TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THESE CONCEPTS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON QUITE HARD AND HEAVY WITH BOTH WATERLEAF AND GREG CLARK. AGAIN, OUT OF RESPECT TO TIME, I'LL DO MY BEST TO BE AS HIGH LEVEL AS POSSIBLE. I COULD TALK FOR HOURS ON EACH ONE OF THESE, SO I'LL TRY TO DO MY BEST TO SUMMARIZE THEM TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY IN A PRECISE AND ORGANIZED WAY. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'LL START OUT WITH WATERLEAF AGAIN. WHAT WE'LL BE PRESENTING TODAY ARE SOME OF OUR PRELIMINARY UPFRONT FINDINGS. SO AS BRIAN MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN ON SITE A FEW TIMES. AND WHAT WE DO IS IN THAT SITE ASSESSMENT, WE IT HELPS US ORGANIZE OUR THOUGHTS AND HELP US ORGANIZE PROGRAMMATIC AND SYSTEMATICALLY WHERE THINGS SHOULD BE PLACED. AND SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT FOR EACH

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PARK AND THEN FOR BOTH PARKS, WE'LL I'LL PRESENT TO YOU ALL THE TWO ALTERNATIVES FOR CONVERSATION TODAY. AGAIN, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE WILL BE, THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. PLEASE LET ME KNOW AT THE END AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE. SO STARTING OFF FIRST AND FOREMOST IS WATERLEAF. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE EXHIBIT ON SCREEN IS SORT OF A QUICK SUMMATION OF OUR PRELIMINARY ON SITE ASSESSMENTS AND THE WAY WE'VE SORT OF FRAMED AND ORGANIZED THE SITE FOR WATERLEAF. THERE'S REALLY FOUR UNIQUE ZONES, AND I'LL SORT OF WORK MY WAY NORTH TO SOUTH, NORTH OF PLUM CREEK, THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL OPEN NATURE AREA THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, SEPARATING THAT NATURE AREA IN THE SOUTHERN OPEN ACTIVE IS A PRETTY NICE FORESTED AREA THAT WE WANT TO DO OUR BEST TO PRESERVE. AND THEN BETWEEN THOSE WE HAVE THIS OPEN TRANSITION SPACE AGAIN, A FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TRAIL, THE GOOD WAY TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO PLACE. AND THEN SCATTERED ABOUT. WE BEGAN TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCES AND VEHICULAR ENTRANCES. ONE KEY POINT HERE IS MOST OF THE ENTRANCES FOR WATERLEAF ARE PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED TODAY, WITH ONE MAJOR ENTRANCE TO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH END. AGAIN, LIKE BRIAN HAD MENTIONED, A REALLY QUICK WIN. THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND OUT THERE IS FANTASTIC, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH THOSE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF OUR CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT. SO LOOKING AT THE TWO CONCEPT ALTERNATIVES, WATER LEAF IS A BIT UNIQUE AND THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERLYING SORT OF TONES BETWEEN BOTH CONCEPTS AND CONCEPT. B WALKING YOU THROUGH CONCEPT A, I'LL BRIEFLY INTRODUCE YOU TO THE GRAPHIC TO MAKE SURE THAT'S INTERPRETED, AND THEN I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE ORGANIZATION OF THE PROPOSED PROGRAMMATIC ITEMS. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE ON PLAN WE HAVE A LEGEND WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLAN, THE LEGEND AND THE NUMBERS ASSOCIATED BACK TO THE PLAN. SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN TRANSLATE BETWEEN THE TWO IN WHITE. ACROSS THE PLAN YOU'LL SEE OUR PROPOSED TRAIL TRAIL SEGMENTS, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WIDTHS OF THOSE BASED ON WHAT THEY'LL BE USED FOR THROUGHOUT THE PARK SITE. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE SOME DASHED AREAS DOWN THERE NEXT TO ABUNDANCE FOR THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT. SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT, CONCEPT A IS REALLY IN NATURE WITH A BALANCE OF RECREATION. LIKE I MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS EXHIBIT, WE REALLY WANT TO HONE IN A LOT OF THE NATURE ASPECTS TO THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE SITE AND REALLY HONE IN AND FOCUS AND EXPAND UPON THE PROGRAMMATIC DEMAND ON THAT SOUTH END. SO CONCEPTUALLY, YOU'LL SEE THIS VIBE TRAIL THAT LINKS THE ENTIRE SITE TOGETHER. AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS BE ABLE TO CONNECT BOTH SIDES OF PLUM CREEK TO BOTH THE RECREATION AND ACTIVE. SO ON THE NORTHERN SECTION, YOU'LL SEE THAT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS A SMALL TRAIL THAT COMES OFF OF THE TRAIL THAT WILL TIE INTO NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS EDUCATIONAL. BOARDWALK WE WANT TO DO IS GET PEOPLE ACTIVE AND OUT INTO THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT IN A SAFE MANNER. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS USING EDUCATION AS A KEY THEMING FOR THAT NORTH SEGMENT WITH A FOCUS ON, AGAIN, NATURE AND PASSIVE RECREATION AS WE MOVE DOWN THE TRAIL, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN NUMBER ONE, WE GET TO THAT SOUTHERN SECTION, WHICH RIGHT NOW ACTIVELY IS A A SERIES OF BALL FIELDS WITH OPEN PLAY. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO ORGANIZE ALL OF THAT. AGAIN, SIMILAR TO GREG CLARK, THERE'S A BIT OF DISJOINTEDNESS. WE WANTED TO USE THE TRAILS TO HELP CONNECT ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. AND SO THE IDEA IS WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING RESTROOM, OBVIOUSLY UTILIZE THE NEW PLAYGROUND, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. EXPAND UPON THE PARKING LOT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE THERE HIGHLIGHTED IN SEVEN, AND THEN BEGIN TO LOOK AT REORIENTATION OF THE BALL FIELDS TO HELP ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING RESTROOM, WHICH YOU SEE THERE IN SIX AND EIGHT. AND THEN JUST EAST OF THAT, WHAT WE BEGAN TO DO ON CONCEPT A IS, IS SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THE IDEA OF OPEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE. RIGHT NOW WE'VE SHOWN A FEW FIELDS AND THEY'RE JUST SORT OF TO GET A DIAGRAMMATIC FEEL OF WHAT WOULD FIT, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WOULD BE JUST AN ACTIVE OPEN RECREATION ZONE. ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS TO BOTH CONCEPT A AND CONCEPT B, THOSE HAVE BEEN TO SITE. YOU'LL SEE THAT AREA WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE.

FIVE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT CARRIES THROUGH THERE. IT'S A SOMEWHAT OF AN ENGINEERED CHANNEL. AND OUR INTENT AND OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THAT A NICE AMENITY AS A FOCAL POINT, AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS PARK. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, INSTEAD OF IT BEING A STRAIGHT LINE CHANNEL, WE BEGIN TO MEANDER THAT TO CREATE AGAIN AN INTERESTING KEY POINT AND KEY FOCUS AS PART OF AS PART OF THESE CONCEPTS. CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST PAGE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

THIS RIGHT HERE. IF WE COULD HAVE THIS INCORPORATED ONTO THE NEXT PAGE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY ON THIS DAIS TO UNDERSTAND IS WE HAVE A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE AND THAT'S PLUM CREEK. IT RUNS FROM WEST TO EAST. IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GULF OF MEXICO. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IS WE HAVE TO BE REALLY STRATEGIC AS TO

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NOT PUT TOO MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OVER THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO WHERE OUR WASTEWATER OUTLET IS. AND SO WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT AT ALL COSTS. SO IF YOU'LL SKIP TO THE NEXT ONE, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE DOESN'T INCORPORATE THAT PLUM CREEK AS FAR AS IT'S WHERE IT'S DESIGNED IS GOING TO BE WITHIN THIS THE MAP. SO IF YOU COULD IN FUTURE USE PLACE THE PLUM CREEK IN THIS ONE. SO WHEN I LOOK AT IT I CAN SEE, OKAY, THIS IS A TRAIL. I UNDERSTAND THE VIBE TRAIL IS GOING TO BE 12FT WIDE. AND IS IT GOING TO BE CONCRETE OR DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE YET? THAT'S A CONVERSATION. YOU KNOW I KNOW THE TRAIL CURRENTLY IS IN DESIGN, AND I'M SURE CHRIS OR DAVID CAN ANSWER MORE IN DETAIL. PLUM CREEK IS SHOWN IF YOU SEE THAT BLUE LINE THAT CARRIES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. THAT IS THE TRANSLATION OF THE PREVIOUS GRAPHIC, WHICH IS PLUM CREEK. OKAY. SO THAT LONG STRAIGHT BLUE LINE IS CREEK.

YEAH. OKAY. AND SO WE'RE ON HERE BECAUSE I HAVE TO KEEP FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH IS GOING TO BE THE WASTEWATER OUTLET. IS THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NATURAL DRAINAGE CHANNEL. SO AND I MAY NOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHICH OUTLET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S FURTHER DOWN. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S FURTHER SOUTHEAST. IT'S OUTSIDE. CAN WE GET THAT INCORPORATED INTO THIS MAP SO WE CAN SEE HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE? I DO APPRECIATE THE SNAPSHOTS, BUT FOR ME, I NEED TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE LAY THIS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE DOWN, THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A POINT TO PROTECT OUR PLUM CREEK. YEAH, OKAY. AND THAT'S THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT. IT'S A GOOD POINT YOU MADE IS MOST OF YOU'LL SEE OUR OUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THAT LIGHT BLUE WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S MAINTAINABLE. SO WE TRY TO LOCATE AS MUCH OF THAT CAN AS WE CAN OUTSIDE OF THAT FLOODPLAIN. SO THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO CONCEPT B AGAIN IT'S IT'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES.

SO I'LL WALK YOU TO TOO MUCH THROUGH ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE BIG CHANGE IS THERE ON THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER WHERE WE TRANSLATE SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE TO MORE OF A MOUNTAIN BIKE THEMED LOCATION, WHICH INCLUDES A JUMP TRACK, A CHILDREN'S PUMP TRACK, AND THEN A ADULT PUMP TRACK. AND AGAIN, I'LL DIVE INTO A BIT OF THE PREFERENCES AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMON CONVERSATION AT THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AND THE WANT FOR, YOU KNOW, A NEW PROGRAMMATIC ITEM THAT THAT MAY NOT EXIST TOO HEAVILY WITHIN THE CITY OF KYLE BE INCORPORATED HERE AT AT WATERLEAF. YES, MA'AM. SO THE BUTTON WILDFLOWER LOOP IS WHERE ONE IS, RIGHT? IT'S THREE. SO THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF TRAILS AND IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO INTERPRET. BUT IF YOU, IF A WILDFLOWER LOOP IS NOT AT THREE. YEAH IT'S, IT'S THREE ON THIS CONCEPT. SO YOU CAN SEE I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LOOP TRAIL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. NO. YOU'RE SORRY. IT'S JUST NORTH OF THE PLUM CREEK WATERSHED NATURE AREA. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S MORE BECAUSE IT'S DOWN. THAT IS THE THAT IS IN BENTON PRESERVE. AND ISN'T THAT LIKE WHERE ONE IS? I DON'T THINK SO. I BELIEVE IT'S AREA NORTH. YEAH I THINK IT'S THERE NEXT TO TWO. AND IT, IT CARRIES ALONG THE EDGE OF CREEK IN HERE. SO YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE IT DOES THERE IS A DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT COMES FROM THE SOUTH SIDE TO THE NORTH SIDE IN THAT AREA AS WELL. AND I'M NOT REALLY SEEING THAT ON THERE.

YEAH I AGAIN I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. WE'VE WE DROVE THROUGH THERE. WE WALKED THROUGH THERE.

I DON'T REMEMBER THAT IN PARTICULAR BUT AND I REMEMBER THAT THERE'S ALSO PART OF THE TRAIL SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THAT AREA. YEAH. AND THE BIKE TRAILS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN ONE.

SO IT EXTENDS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARK. BUT THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE CONTINUE NORTHWEST AND THEN CONTINUE NORTH. YEAH. SORRY, DOCTOR. I BELIEVE YOUR DESIRE. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS SO WE CAN PRESERVE THESE AREAS. AND YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE NATURE PRESERVATION INCORPORATED IN THIS PROJECT. AND THAT WAS DEMONSTRATED ALSO IN THAT THAT FIRST SLIDE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CLUSTERED IMAGES. BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE GOING TO CONSERVE THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. AND BOTH CONCEPTS WHEN YOU GUYS DO THAT COULD YOU JUST MARK IT ON THE MAP. SO THERE'S NO QUESTION. YEAH THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. BECAUSE THAT IS A PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE AREA BEING BLACKLAND PRAIRIE. AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO RESTORE THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TREAD AS LIGHTLY AS POSSIBLE THERE FOR SURE. SO MOVING ON AGAIN, LIKE BRIAN HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN

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THROUGH A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE WERE ABLE TO PRESENT BOTH OF THESE CONCEPTS AT THOSE MEETINGS. AND WE DID A SORT OF BUBBLE STICK A DOT ON THE ON THE PREFERENCES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE WAS A PRETTY LARGE PREFERENCES FOR THE SECOND CONCEPT, WHICH HAD THAT FOCUS OF BOTH NATURE AND MOUNTAIN BIKING. AS PART OF THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE RESPONSE WAS PRETTY OVERWHELMING ON ONE SIDE, AND WE WERE QUITE SURPRISED. BUT BUT AGAIN, FANTASTIC RESULTS. AND THEN AS A SORT OF AN AMENITY AND ACCESSORY TO THE CONCEPTS, WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO IMAGE BOARDS. AND WHAT THAT ALLOWED US TO DO WAS BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND VISUALLY THE DIRECTION THAT THE COMMUNITY MAY WANT TO LEAD IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE ON SITE, AND SORT OF THE SUMMARY OF THAT FOR, FOR, FOR WATERLEAF ARE WE'VE PRIORITIZED THE TOP FIVE. FIRST AND FOREMOST WAS A LOT OF VOTING AND WANT FOR MOUNTAIN BIKE RELATED AMENITIES. AND SO WE HAD THIS IMAGE OF THE ADULT PUMPTRACK, AGAIN, HIGHLY POPULAR, HIGHLY WANTED. AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. THE SECOND CONVERSATION WAS WAS THE EXTENSION OF MOUNTAIN BIKES AND MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARK. AGAIN, TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT OF MAKING SURE WE DON'T DISTURB TOO MUCH, BUT BUT INCORPORATING THAT WITHIN THE PARK SPACE, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXTENSION OF THE NEW PLAYGROUND, THE IDEA OF HAVING A CHILDREN'S PUMPTRACK AS PROGRAMMATICALLY TIED TO THAT AND BE AN AMENITY TO THE PUMP TRACK WAS WAS HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER. AND THEN YOU WON'T CATCH ME DOING IT. BUT THE IDEA OF THAT JUMP TRACK WAS WAS PRETTY POPULAR TOO. AND A AND A DEFINITELY A WANT FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THAT IMMEDIATELY ONCE YOU GET PAST THE MOUNTAIN BIKE WAS THE PRESERVATION OF NATURE. PEOPLE WANT TRAILS. PEOPLE WANT THAT PRESERVATION TO HAPPEN. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S REFLECTED. THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME THAT YOU HAD SUCH A LARGE PERCENTAGE THAT WERE COMMENTING ON THE BIKING, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR BIKE GROUP THERE, AND I KNOW OUR HIKING GROUP AND OUR NATURE GROUP, AND THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. THERE'S SOMETHING A LITTLE OFF ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR MEETINGS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE BIKE GROUP. THEY'RE VERY VOCAL, THEY'RE VERY ORGANIZED, THEY'RE GREAT. AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO SUPPORT THE THE BIKE FACILITIES. BUT I, I'M REALLY QUESTIONING HOW HOW THAT GOT SO VERY BIASED BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION. MAY I ADD, WAS THERE A LARGE RESPONSE FOR THOSE? ITEM NUMBER THREE, JUMP TRACK AND PUMP TRACK FOR FROM THE INPUT ITSELF, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HAD HERE THAT I WAS WRITING DOWN. WHAT WAS THE PUBLIC INPUT REFERENCING THAT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU RIDE A BIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST RIDE AROUND THE TRAIL FOR SO LONG, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT EXCITING AFTER A WHILE. AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, TWO BOYS, LITTLE BOYS IN SAN MARCOS IN 1976, MICHAEL AND STEVEN TOBIAS HAD A PLYWOOD BOARD THAT WAS PAINTED WHITE, RED, WHITE AND BLUE AND HAD EVEL KNIEVEL ON IT. AND SO WE WERE JUMPING RAMPS BACK THEN.

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THAT'S NOT A NATURE TRAIL. THAT'S NOT A NATURE TRAIL. THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. EXACTLY. YOU CAN SEE THE DASHED BROWN LINES THROUGHOUT THAT NORTHERN SEGMENT. THOSE WOULD BE MORE NATURAL TRAILS, SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON TO HELP CONSTRUCT AND BUILD AND BE AN EXTENSION OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY, BASICALLY. SO WHAT'S THERE TODAY STARTS AT BASICALLY AT THE PARKING LOT AND CROSSES OVER AND IT GOES DOWN TOWARD THE. WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, GOES THE OTHER DIRECTION AND THEN CROSSES THE CREEK. YEAH.

SO YOU HAVE A GOOD, GOOD AMOUNT OF WALKING ALONG THE CREEK THERE. THAT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL.

AND THEN IT GOES ON UP TO THE BUTTON WILDFLOWER LOOP AREA AND AROUND AND ON. THIS WOULD BE TO PRESERVE ALL OF THAT AND ENHANCE IT THE BEST WAY WE CAN WITH EDUCATION AND OR IMPROVEMENT. IF THAT'S ALL BIKE TRAIL. AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT.

NO. AND PEOPLE WOULD NOT BIKE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT NATURE BASED. WELL, MAKING THAT SOUTHERN SIDE OF PLUM CREEK A BIT MORE, IS IT GOING TO COEXIST? I MEAN, BUT IS IT GOING TO COEXIST WHERE YOU HAVE THE WALKING AND THE BIKE IN THE SAME AREA? THAT'S WHAT THE SAME TRAIL? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT TOWN LAKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF WALKERS WITH THE BIKES. AND IF YOU WERE TO GO WITH YOUR JUMP RAMPS, THAT WOULD BE A SECTION THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OFF ON OUTSIDE OF THE WALKING TRAIL AND DO THAT AND MANEUVER BACK AND FORTH AND THEN GET BACK ON THE TRAIL. IS THAT KIND OF THE CONCEPT? THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S KIND OF THE WAY IT'S USED NOW. USE SPACE. YES. THE TRAIL. YES, SIR. JUST LIKE IT'S USED NOW. YOU HAVE MOUNTAIN. THERE'S NO LIKE NOTHING PROHIBITING BIKES, MOUNTAIN BIKES AND HIKERS USING THOSE TRAILS. WHAT YOU NEED IS A SYSTEM THAT IS DURABLE ENOUGH FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKES, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO INCORPORATE SIGNAGE THAT HAS TRAFFIC RULES.

WHERE DO HIKERS ENTER? WHERE DO THE BIKERS ENTER? IT'S ALWAYS OPPOSITE. THERE'S RULES AND ETIQUETTE FOR THE BIKERS TO SIGNAL TO MAKE NOISES. OKAY, THAT THAT HELPS A LOT BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THOSE GUIDANCE MARKERS AND WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY, WHAT THEY NEED TO LOOK LIKE. AND THIS REALLY WAS, TO ME, SHOWING WALKERS AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE. CORRECT. AND NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY TO DESIGNATE FOR HIKING OR BIKING, WHICHEVER ONE YOU YOU LABEL AS A PRIMARY USAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH. AND SO YOU'VE GOT TO DESIGN FOR BOTH. OKAY. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY ACRES THIS IS? TOTAL ACRES. YES. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? 7372 OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY WAY WHEN YOU GUYS BRING THIS BACK TO GIVE US LIKE TOTAL ACREAGE AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW MANY ACRES ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR BIKERS OR FOR BIKES IN GENERAL, AND THEN HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR SIDEWALKS? I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT BETTER IDEA. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. AND THE SPLASH PAD STAY. WE'RE NOT TALKING BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THE SPLASH PADS REALLY ON EITHER ONE OF THESE OR NOT ON. THIS ISN'T A SPLASH PAD. YEAH, THERE'S GREG CLARK. THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT GREG.

GREG. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE. HERE IN A MINUTE. CAN I BRIEFLY ADDRESS TO MY CONCERN.

AND I THINK THIS KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS IS SAYING IS THAT THERE WAS ONLY 100 PEOPLE THAT WAS SURVEYED. AND SO I KNOW THE BIKERS AS WELL.

AND THEY HAVE LIKE A FACEBOOK PAGE, AND THEY'RE REALLY ACTIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO I DON'T I COULDN'T SEE THEM DOING THE ADULT PUMP TRACK. AND IF THEY DID, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE HOLISTIC, LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY NATURAL IN THE TRAILS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO TO GET MORE FEEDBACK, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU GUYS GOT YOUR FEEDBACK IN DECEMBER, IT'S PROBABLY A TIME WHERE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BE PRESENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, BECAUSE 100 PEOPLE IS PROBABLY LIKE 0.0001% OF OUR POPULATION, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE INPUT OF THE COMMUNITY, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE TRUE INPUT OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST A THOUSAND PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOOK WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY. YOU KNOW, BUDDHA DOES IT ALL THE TIME. THEY GET THIS GREAT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE 1000 FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 500. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING BECAUSE 100 PEOPLE IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE WATERLEAF NEIGHBORHOOD IS WELL REPRESENTED IN THIS. I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY WERE. I KNOW THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THIS REPRESENTS THEM ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. SO I THINK WE HAVE THE HOA PRESIDENT FROM WATERLEAF, AND SHE'S JUST SAYING SHE WASN'T AWARE. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF A RED FLAG TO ME. IF WE DON'T HAVE AT LEAST THE HOA'S PARTICIPATION IN THAT, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF OUTREACH AND MAYBE FIGURING OUT A WAY TO

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GET TO A DIFFERENT COUPLE HOAS. I MEAN, WE LIVE ME AND COUNCILMEMBER GOZA LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE PARKS, SO WE DO HAVE TO RELY HEAVILY ON THESE OTHER PARKS IN ORDER FOR US TO GO OUT AND DO STUFF. SO ARE YOU ALL AGAINST THE PUMP TRACK? IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I MEAN, HOW MUCH MORE INPUT ARE YOU WANTING TO GET IF YOU GOT 100? AND SO YOU'RE SAYING, NOW LET'S JUST DO A SURVEY ON JUST THE PUMP TRACK. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? NO, I DON'T THINK WE WERE TRYING TO DO ANYTHING IN SPECIFIC, JUST OVERALL GENERAL FEEDBACK BECAUSE 100 PEOPLE TO ME SEEMS REALLY LOW. AND THAT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE TIME IN DECEMBER. BUT YOU KNOW, OVERALL, JUST MAYBE PRESENTING THE SAME INFORMATION TO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE THAT MIGHT GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. I HAVE AN IDEA. I'LL BRING IT UP LATER.

WELL, I DON'T THINK WE WERE TALKING ORIGINALLY. WE WERE WHEN WE WERE TALKING THESE TYPES OF PUMP TRACKS OR JUMP TRACKS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INTEGRATING THEM INTO NOT NOT NECESSARILY CONCRETE, BUT INTEGRATING THEM INTO THAT BIKE TRAIL. LIKE WAS JUST SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, NOT PULLING THEM OUT AND MAKING THEM A WHOLE SEPARATE CONCRETE, BIG CONCRETE THING. BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, LIKE LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR RUNOFF INTO THE CREEK. UNLESS YOU, IF I MAY SPEAK TO THAT, IT WAS WITH THE TRAILS AND MOUNTAIN BIKING COMMUNITY WANTING TO PULL THAT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN, BECAUSE THE PROPENSITY OF THOSE TYPES OF FEATURES WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, THEY CAN'T WITHSTAND OR HOLD UP TO THE FLOW RATES WHEN, WHEN, WHEN IT BECOMES INUNDATED IN THE AREA. AND SO THEY THEY HAVE THIS CONCEPT THAT'S BECOMING MORE COMMON NATIONWIDE. AND YOU SEE IT IN BENTONVILLE AS WELL, ARKANSAS, WHERE THEY HAVE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND AREAS WHERE YOU CAN RIDE AND, AND GO THROUGH COURSES AND THE NATURE AREAS, AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE THIS LITTLE FUN SIDE QUEST AT A SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR, YOU KNOW, JUMP LINES AND TEACHING KIDS HOW TO PROPERLY JUMP AND HOW TO PROPERLY RIDE MOUNTAIN BIKES. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS WHAT THAT GROUP WAS REALLY SPEAKING FOR. AND THEN I THINK I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE 100 PEOPLE THAT DID PARTICIPATE IN THIS. YOU KNOW, I JUST I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER ON ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S ALWAYS A THING THAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO DISCREDIT THE 100 PARTICIPANTS WHO WHO DID PROVIDE FEEDBACK, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF AND ALSO JUST HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES IS IF THERE WOULD BE LIKE A MIDDLE GROUND TO WHERE IT COULD BE USED AS MORE LIKE A INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMETHING LIKE A HUGE LIKE ADULT PUMP TRACK, HAVING EVEN JUST LIKE A BECAUSE ONE THING THAT I NOTICED WAS MISSING, AND MAYBE THIS IS ALREADY INCORPORATED IN ONE OF THE THREE IDEAS OR THE CHILDREN'S PUMP TRACK, BUT LIKE ROUND ROCK JUST HAD THEIR ALL ABILITIES PLAYGROUND UNVEILED AND THAT INCLUDED A TRAFFIC GARDEN, WHICH IS LIKE FOR LITTLE KIDS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE BEGINNINGS, YOU KNOW, TO LIKE, LEARN HOW TO RIDE A BIKE.

AND IT'S ALSO LARGE ENOUGH. SO THAT WAY KIDS IN WHEELCHAIRS AND WHATNOT ARE ABLE TO PARTAKE IN THE FUN AS WELL. SO AND I THINK HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT NEXT TO OUR AMAZING PLAYGROUND OVER THERE, I FEEL LIKE WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY AND THEN ALSO GIVE CHILDREN WITH DIFFERENT ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL. BEFORE WE WERE ABOUT TO JUMP HEADFIRST. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. SO WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT. FANTASTIC.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE INPUT. IT'S IT'S VERY HELPFUL. YOU KNOW, FOR US AS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, THE MORE INPUT WE GET, THE BETTER THE PRODUCT, RIGHT? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PARKS SERVE THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S PRIORITY ONE FOR US. SO THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO TO GREG CLARK AGAIN. WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS, PROVIDING A BIT OF INSIGHT TO WHAT WE SEEN ON SITE AND THEN LOOKING AT TO AND THESE ALTERNATIVES BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISTINCT THAN THAN WATER LEAF WATER LEAK. WATER LEAF WAS A BIT MORE CONDENSED IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE SPACE. GREG CLARK'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM FOR OPPORTUNITY. SO LOOKING AT OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS, MAPPING AGAIN, THE WAY WE'VE SORT OF FRAMED THE PARK SPACE, IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR, THERE IS A PRETTY LARGE DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT CARRIES THROUGH THE SITE. AGAIN, IT'S A IT'S AN ENGINEERED DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT TAKES WATER FROM THE NORTH AND MOVES IT SOUTH. AND THEN THERE'S AN ADJACENT STORMWATER LINE THAT WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, COGNIZANT OF AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T IMPACT EXISTING TODAY OBVIOUSLY, IS THE JACKSON POOL. YOU'LL SEE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT TAKING THAT AND SORT OF MAYBE ELEVATING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND EXPANDING THAT. THE FUTURE SKATE PARK, WHICH IS THERE ON THAT EAST SIDE, IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN, IF NOT STARTING CONSTRUCTION SOON. SO EXCITED TO SEE THAT ASH PAVILION. WE'VE PRESERVED THAT ON EVERY CONCEPT

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WE WE SHOW. WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT AMENITY AND TIES REALLY WELL INTO THAT FUTURE SKATE PARK. AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICULAR ENTRANCES ON ON THIS PARK. A LOT OF IT'S DISJOINTED. YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY GET ACROSS THE SITE TOO WELL FROM EAST TO WEST. AND SO HOPEFULLY THROUGH THIS CONCEPTUAL STUDY, WE'LL BEGIN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT AND REALLY CREATE A BIT OF COHESION ACROSS THAT. SO IN ADDITION TO EXISTING CONDITIONS, WE ALSO WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. AGAIN THESE ARE JUST IDEAS LOOKING AT WHAT COULD HAPPEN DOWN THE LINE. AND AGAIN, NONE OF OUR OF OUR CONCEPTS IMPACT ANY OF THESE POTENTIAL EXPANSION AREAS, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH SOME OF THE IDEAS OF HOW CAN FUTURE PROGRAM POTENTIALLY WORK THERE. AND THEN ON THAT BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER AGAIN, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE THAT, THAT, THAT CORNER. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT INCORPORATED AND ROLLED INTO BOTH ALTERNATIVES. SO LOOKING AT AT CONCEPT A, WE'VE SORT OF COINED THESE WITH NAMES.

WE'VE WE LIKE THE IDEA OF A CENTRAL LAWN. AND AND THAT CAME UP IN CONVERSATION A FEW TIMES THINKING ABOUT HOW GREG CLARK IS PROGRAMMATICALLY USED TODAY. AND WE FEEL LIKE HAVING A CENTRAL LAWN TO HELP CELEBRATE THE SITE AND BRING THOSE ACTIVE COMMUNITY EVENTS TO GREG CLARK.

AND SO A LOT OF CONCEPT A REVOLVES AROUND THAT CENTRAL LAWN. WHAT WE BEGAN TO DO IN DIAGRAMMATICALLY, YOU'LL SEE, WE STARTED TO LAY OUT SOME OF THE KEY PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN SPORTS AND WE'VE SORT OF SUBDIVIDED THOSE. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT PLAY OUT HERE IN A MINUTE. WE'VE BEGAN TO LOCATE A LOT OF THE ACTIVE PLAY ON THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE EXISTING OR SOON TO BE EXISTING SKATE PARK. WE'VE BEGAN TO LOCATE A LOT OF THAT ACTIVE PLAY ADJACENT TO THE ACTIVE SPACE, LIKE THE SKATE PARK. AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE AQUATIC CENTER ON THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER. SO AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS WE WANTED TO LINK ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. WE WANT THE SITE TO BE UNIFIED. AND SO YOU'LL START TO SEE THE IDEA OF THE CENTRAL LAWN PLAYING A MAJOR ROLE IN HELPING PEOPLE ORIENT THEMSELVES ACROSS THE SITE. SO LOOKING AT AGAIN, I WANT TO QUICKLY TALK ABOUT THE DIAGRAM AND WHAT YOU SEE, AND THEN I'LL DIVE INTO THE CONCEPT. SO EVERYTHING IN BLACK. THERE IS A PROPOSED ROADWAY. AND AGAIN YOU'LL SEE THAT HELPS CONNECT PEOPLE TO PLACE WITHIN THAT ALL OF THE WHITE LINES SIMILAR TO WATER LEAF ARE ACCESSIBLE TRAILS. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE SOME DASHED LINES THERE WITH THE LABEL 14 THOSE ARE PROPOSED PARKING LOTS. AND AGAIN, I'LL DIVE INTO A BIT OF THE REASONING OF HOW IT'S ORGANIZED HERE IN A SECOND. BUT THE KEY, THE KEY POINT OF THIS CONCEPT, I GO BACK TO THE IDEA OF THAT CENTRAL LAWN AND AGAIN, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN AREA TEN, AND WE WANTED EVERY BIT OF THE SITE TO HONE BACK INTO THAT CENTRAL SPACE. AND SO I'LL TRY TO WORK MY WAY FROM THE NORTHWEST AND WORK MY WAY AROUND. YOU SEE THERE OFF OF GREG DRIVE AND RANGER, WHAT WE'VE BEGUN TO DO IN AN AREA FOUR IS REALLY CREATE AN OPEN, ACTIVE RECREATIONAL AREA, NOT PROGRAMED, BUT A SPACE. YOU CAN GO OUT THERE, YOU CAN HAVE SOCCER PRACTICES, YOU CAN THROW A FRISBEE, BUT THE SPACE IS AVAILABLE TO USE AS NEEDED. AND AS PROGRAM CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE TIME HERE IN KYLE. ADJACENT TO THAT, JUST TO THE SOUTH, YOU'LL SEE THERE IN HIGHLIGHTED THREE, WE BEGAN TO LOCATE TWO LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELDS. AND AGAIN WE'VE GOT RID OF THE UNSAFE FOURPLEXES THERE TODAY.

AND WE'VE REALLY SCALE AND SIZE THEM ADEQUATE TO TO TO LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS ADJACENT THAT IN 14 YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE THE ROADWAY WHICH HUGS THE EDGE OF THAT 14, WHICH IS A PROPOSED PARKING LOT, THEN WOULD SERVICE THAT CENTRAL LAWN AND SERVICE THOSE BASEBALL FACILITIES AND FIELDS, CONTINUING THERE TO THE SOUTHEAST. YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN 11 IS THE AQUATIC CENTER. AGAIN, THE ONE IS TO UTILIZE THAT NEWLY ACQUIRED PROPERTY THERE AT 14 AND BEGIN TO LOCATE A PARKING LOT TO HELP TIE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, LOCATED SORT OF ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU'LL SEE A ROUNDABOUT. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THERE TO HELP ORGANIZE PEOPLE AS THEY ENTER THE SPACE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN GET TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO IN AN EASY WAY. WITH THIS, YOU'LL SEE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN 13, WHICH IS AN IDEA OF A MONUMENT SIGN THAT HELPS ANNOUNCE THAT YOU'RE ARRIVING TO TO GREG CLARK PARK, ADJACENT TO TO NUMBER ONE. YOU'LL SEE BULLETS THERE, SIX AND SEVEN. THOSE ARE OUR PROPOSED SORT OF ACTIVE SPORTS. SO IT'S BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL, TENNIS, WHICH THEN HOLDS A GREAT SORT OF ACTIVE USE ADJACENT TO 12, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED SKATE PARK. AS WE MOVE FURTHER NORTH AGAIN,

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MAINTAINING ASH PAVILION AT EIGHT AND THEN LOOKING AT BULLETS NINE THERE, WHICH WHICH AGAIN IS SORT OF THAT ACTIVE PLAY. SO THE IDEA IS TO BRING THE PLAYGROUND THERE IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER ADJACENT TO THAT PLAYGROUND, YOU'LL START TO SEE THERE'S A ENTRANCE OFF OF VETERANS FOR A PARKING LOT, WITH ADJACENT PARKING TO HELP SERVICE THAT AREA. I THINK I COVERED EVERYTHING ON CONCEPT A. I DO HAVE A QUESTION 14 ON THE RIGHT HAND CORNER. DOES THAT ENCOMPASS. WHERE THE VFW IS CURRENTLY LOCATED? NO. OKAY. DO ANY OF THESE IN THIS PICTURE? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. VFW IS JUST NORTH OF 14. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S SORT OF SQUEEZED BETWEEN THAT CORNER THERE. 14. YEAH. SO LOOKING AT CONCEPT B WHICH WE'VE CALLED THIS THE MEANDER. AND AGAIN THAT'LL START TO MAKE SENSE HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT SIMILAR TO WATERLEAF, WHAT WE WANTED CONCEPT B TO DO IS, IS REALLY HONE IN AND FOCUS ON THE IDEA OF RE-ENVISIONING WHAT THIS CREEK COULD BECOME AND MAKE IT AN IMPORTANT KEY COMPONENT OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. YOU'LL START TO SEE PROGRAMMATICALLY. BEGIN TO REORIENT SOME THINGS. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING SPORTS CENTRALIZED, WHAT WE BEGAN TO WE'VE TUCKED THAT CLOSER TO GREG GREG DRIVE. WE'VE KEPT ACTIVE PLAY IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT SKATE ZONE. AND THEN AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT EXPANSION OF AQUATICS.

WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS CONCEPT, THE IDEA OF INTEGRATION OF NATURE. AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. SIMILAR TO CONCEPT A, WE CAN WE WANTED THAT EMPHASIS ON THAT CENTRAL LAWN TO HELP ORGANIZE PEDESTRIANS AS THEY AS THEY COME AND VISIT AND EVERYTHING WILL SORT OF HONE IN AND FOCUS AROUND THAT. SO AGAIN, I'LL TRY TO MAKE MY WAY FROM THE NORTHWEST AND CIRCLE AROUND. YOU'LL SEE. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS CONCEPT IS ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS INTERCONNECT. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO SEPARATE PARKING LOTS. EVERYTHING CAN BE NAVIGABLE THROUGH A INTERCONNECTED SERIES OF OF OF DRIVEWAYS. AGAIN SIMILAR GRAPHICALLY YOU'LL SEE 14 IS ALL OF THE PROPOSED PARKING. BUT WHAT WE DID IS AT THE THE CORNER THERE GREG AND RANGER, WE'VE REALLY HONED IN ON A LARGER PARKING LOT TO HELP SERVICE THE, WHICH IS NOW THREE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS INSTEAD OF TWO. AGAIN, WE TRIED TO TRY TO MARRY WHAT IS PROGRAMMATICALLY THERE TODAY AND MIMIC THAT ON CONCEPT B, SO AS A RESULT, WE'LL NEED A LITTLE BIT LARGER PARKING LOT TO HELP SERVICE THAT YOU'LL START TO SEE NOW, HUGGING THE EDGE OF THOSE BALL FIELDS, WE'VE REALLY TAKEN THAT IDEA OF THE CREEK AND REALLY HONED IN ON WHAT THAT COULD BECOME. AND SO TIED INTO LOCATION 15, AS WE'VE SORT OF BROUGHT A SORT OF CATCHMENT POND WHICH ALLOWS WATER TO COME OFF THE BALL FIELDS AND FILTER BACK THROUGH THE CITY SYSTEM AND HOPEFULLY DO A BIT OF CLEANSING BEFORE IT GETS BACK INTO THE OVERALL SYSTEM. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE, WHICH THEN TIES INTO 15. AGAIN, WE WANTED TO DO SOME NATURE BASED MAYBE BOARDWALKS OR TRAILS WITH EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE TO TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND TO HIGHLIGHT THE POTENTIAL THERE AS WE ROTATE AROUND THAT CENTRAL LAWN, WHICH IS SHOWN THERE IN TEN, REALLY BECOMES THE HEART OF THE SITE AND REALLY SPEAKS TO THE EDGE OF THAT CREEK. IN LIEU OF THE PLAYGROUND BEING IN THAT NORTHEAST CORNER, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TUCK THAT PLAYGROUND AS PART OF THAT LAWN EXPERIENCE. SO AS PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE CELEBRATING, KIDS CAN STILL GO OUT THERE AND USE A SITE AND PLAY ON ON AREA NINE THERE. IF I COULD JUST REAL QUICKLY ADD, WHEN WE'RE ON THIS CONCEPT RIGHT HERE IN CENTRAL LAWN, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR THE IDEA FOR SHADE FOR TREES OR ANYTHING IN THERE? HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT OPEN AREA? SO I KNOW BY JUNE, JULY IT'S GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. YES. WE'VE LOCATED PAVILIONS THROUGHOUT AND YOU'LL SEE THAT OKAY FOCUSED IN ON THERE. SO THAT'S MORE OF THE FORMAL SHADE OKAY. YOU KNOW AS WE BEGIN TO DEVELOP THIS CONCEPT FURTHER, THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS OKAY. THANK YOU. MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE FOR NUMBER 13 THE MONUMENT SIGNAGE. YES. IS THERE ANY WAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF GREG CLARK PARK AS FAR AS HOW IT WAS ACQUIRED. SO IT WAS DONATED TO US FROM FROM THE GREG'S. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE SOME SOMETHING MEMORIALIZING THAT IT WAS A DONATION AND IT PUT THAT WITH THE MONUMENT SIGNAGE.

ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. OKAY. THE MORE WE CAN HINT BACK ON HISTORY, I THINK IT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR NEW POLICIES THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING ON SIGNAGE. OH, SURE. I MEAN THIS IS NOT SIGNAGE. THIS IS MEMORIALIZING. SO THIS I MEAN, THIS IS LITERALLY GIVEN TO US. GREG DRIVE AND GREG CLARK PARK. YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO ROLL THAT INTO THE SAME IDEA. YEAH, THAT'S A NAME. DEDICATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE PARK'S ALREADY BEEN CALLED GREG CLARK PARK AND SO IS THE STREET. BUT JUST

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MEMORIALIZING, JUST LIKE WE HAVE MEMORIALIZED TREE OVER AT THE DEPOT. AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE LIKE, FOUR MEMORIALIZED TREE. JANE KIRKHAM'S DAD HAD HAD HAD PLANTED WAY BACK WHEN AND WHEN I WAS PREVIOUSLY ELECTED. WE MEMORIALIZED THOSE AS WELL. THANK YOU, MAYOR, THAT WOULD BE DESIGNATED FOR JUST BASICALLY YOUR ENTRANCE SIGNAGE FOR PARKS. BUT WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT YOU WANT SOMETHING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT HISTORY FOR THE PARK BEING ON THAT CORNER, THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE HEAR YOU. SO TRYING TO PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF AGAIN NOTICING A LOT ON THAT THAT CREEK MEANDER. AND I THINK WE'VE COVERED THAT WEST SIDE. SO WE'LL SORT OF EXTEND THAT TO THE EAST SIDE AGAIN LOOKING AT BULLET 11 THERE, WHICH IS AGAIN LOOKING AT EXTENDING THE AQUATIC CENTER BASED ON AVAILABLE SPACE AND HAVING THERE AT 14 A PARKING LOT THAT HELPS SERVICES THAT THAT EXPANSION. WE'VE MOVED THE.

SORRY, WE'VE MOVED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. THAT ACTIVE PLAY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NOTED AT 16. AND SO THAT NORTHEAST CORNER WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE VOLLEYBALL, BASKETBALL, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL, ALL OF THE ACTIVE RECREATION. AND WHAT WE BEGIN TO IDENTIFY ON THIS CONCEPT IN 16 IS AN AREA FOR POTENTIAL FACILITY EXPANSION. SO AS WE TALK, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE OR NEW BUILDINGS TO HELP SERVICE THE CITY, WE'VE BEGUN TO LOCATE A SPACE THAT COULD HELP PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE THAT AS PART OF THE PARK SPACE AND NOT BE ALONG THE PERIMETER. SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT. WE'VE WE'VE INCORPORATED ASH PAVILION INTO THE OVERALL CONCEPT THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN BULLET EIGHT. AND LIKE I MENTIONED THERE AT SEVEN SIX, BRINGING IN A LOT OF THE ACTIVE RECREATION INTO THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. AGAIN, THOSE GET A LITTLE BIT LOUD. SO TO HAVE THAT A LITTLE BIT SEPARATED FROM, YOU KNOW, THE DAY TO DAY USE MAY BE BENEFICIAL. AGAIN. YOU'LL SEE. YOU MENTIONED MAYOR THE IDEA OF THESE MONUMENT SIGNS. AGAIN, WE'VE LOCATED AND HONED THOSE INTO THE CORNERS AGAIN TO TRY TO ANNOUNCE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME VISIT.

AND SO AGAIN, WHAT THAT IS, IS SOMETHING WE'LL NAVIGATE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT WE DO WANT SOMETHING I DIDN'T MENTION AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE. YOU'LL SEE THESE LITTLE SQUARES ACROSS A LOT OF THE CONCEPTS. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSED PAVILIONS. YOU KNOW THE SHADE WAS WAS TALKED ABOUT. A LOT OF PAVILIONS ARE LOCATED ALONG IMPORTANT AREAS. THAT INCLUDES PLAYGROUNDS, THE ACTIVE SPORTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT REALLY WOULD NEED MORE FORMAL SHADE, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN TREES. SO SIMILAR TO TO WATERLEAF AGAIN, GREG CLARK, WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AND THERE WAS A AGAIN, A SURPRISING STRONG VOICE TO ONE SIDE, AGAIN, COMPLETELY SURPRISING TO US. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, BASED ON THE DOT MATRIX THERE, EVERYONE DID PREFER THE CONCEPT BE. AND I THINK IT RELATED BACK TO THE IDEA OF NATURE. PEOPLE WANT NATURE AND THE IDEA OF INCORPORATING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T THERE TODAY TO CREATE SOMETHING SPECIAL WAS REALLY THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THERE.

COULD WE GO BACK TO B? YES, MA'AM. SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CENTRAL LAWN HERE. AND THE PICTURE KIND OF SHOWED A PAVILION THERE AS WELL. YES, MA'AM. LIKE A PERFORMANCE PAVILION. YEAH. IT'S THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE NUMBER TWO. YOU SEE A LITTLE SQUARE THERE. YOU KNOW, LA VERDE PARK HAS ONE THAT IS UNDER UTILIZED RIGHT NOW. AND LAKE KYLE PARKS IS PROPOSED TO HAVE ONE AS WELL. A LARGER ONE. SO I'M, I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED THAT CONCEPT HERE, GIVEN THAT I MEAN, YES, WE NEED PICNIC TABLES. DEFINITELY. AND I LIKE I LIKE CONCEPT A LOT, BUT I'M JUST NOT SURE WE NEED MUCH OF A PERFORMANCE PAVILION OR A LARGE LAWN AREA IN THIS PARTICULAR PARK. I'M I WOULD REALLY WE DIDN'T I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT ENHANCING THE PAVILION. I WOULD EXPECT MORE SEATING THERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE DRAWING PEOPLE FROM SEVERAL STATES AND FROM MEXICO FOR THE ROLLER HOCKEY GAMES. WE HAVE A NATIONAL CHAMPION ADULT TEAM FOR ROLLER HOCKEY. I THINK WE ARE. I DON'T WANT TO SHORT CHANGE THAT AREA. I THINK IT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PIECE, AND I'D LIKE FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THAT. I DON'T SEE A CONCEPT FOR A DOG PARK. THIS SIDE OF TOWN DOES NOT HAVE ONE. WELL, LA VERDE HAS A SMALL ONE. STEEPLECHASE HAS ONE, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS AREA OF TOWN SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE ONE. AND THERE'S A A LOT OF DOG OWNERSHIP THERE

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THAT WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IF WE COULD THINK ABOUT INCORPORATING IT INTO IT. WOULD THE SOFT WOULD THE BASEBALL LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS BE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL? OKAY.

BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE GIRLS ARE NOT SHORTCHANGED EITHER. AND ON THIS CONCEPT, NUMBER 14 SHOWS THE PARKING GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO VETERANS DRIVE. PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POOR USE OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. WHEN WE COULD PUT WE COULD PERHAPS INCORPORATE A RESTAURANT, SANDWICH SHOP, SOMETHING TO SERVE THE BOTH THE PARK AREA PEOPLE AND THE GENERAL CITIZENS RIGHT THERE ON VETERANS DRIVE, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE JUST REALLY A PRIME PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S UNDERUTILIZED AS A PARKING LOT, AND I LIKE THAT CONCEPT. OTHERWISE, I LIKE THE THANK YOU. SO MOVING BACK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OUR CONSENSUS FINDINGS AGAIN, I GO BACK TO BE WAS DEFINITELY A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IN THE CONVERSATION. BUT THEN WE ALSO DID THE SAME MATRIX LOOKING AT THE AMENITIES.

AND AGAIN, A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK, A LOT OF ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION OF THERE WERE A COUPLE TIMES MENTIONED DOG PARKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE AGAIN WE WE FRAMED THIS INTO SORT OF THE TOP FIVE. EVERYBODY WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF THAT AQUATIC CENTER EXPANDING AND BECOMING A LITTLE BIT MORE. PARK TRAILS WERE AN IMPORTANT ITEM, SO THAT WAS THE SECOND MOST VOTED UPON ELEMENT. AND AGAIN, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HONE IN ON THAT. PEOPLE WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE CENTRAL LAWN. YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT PROVIDE A PLACE TO CELEBRATE OUT ON SITE. AND THEN AGAIN, THE NATURALIZED CHANNEL. AND I THINK THE IDEA OF NATURE BEING INCORPORATED INTO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY WAS, WAS, WAS PROMINENT.

AND THEN PEOPLE WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF A PLAYGROUND. SO WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS, AS A VIABLE OPTION. NOW, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NATURALIZED DRAINAGE CHANNEL, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT AREA. THIS IS ULTIMATELY WHERE ALL THE WATER IN THE CITY OF KYLE GOES TO. AND SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE GRASS. AND THAT KIND OF MITIGATES THE BUGS. BUT IF WE JUST HAVE STAGNANT WATER, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT MOSQUITOES OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT INTENT. IT WOULDN'T BE STAGNANT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A POND. IT'S NOT GOING TO RETAIN. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE DURING SOMETIMES DURING LONG RAINS. IT'LL BE THERE FOR LIKE WEEKS. YES, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AT GREAT CLARK PARK, THEY THEY'VE CONTACTED ME AND THEY HAVE THEY HAVE HUGE ISSUES WITH MOSQUITOES. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE DOING THIS, IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT. YEAH. THAT IT'S OUT OF THE WAY. AND THEN I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME THINGS THAT YOU COULD STICK IN THERE TO KILL MOSQUITOES, BUT AND AND I LIKE IT I LIKE THE LOOK. I THINK IT'S NICE. I JUST WANT TO BE REALISTIC. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IN FRONT OF ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES. LOTS OF PURPLE. MARTIN. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY ECOLOGY CAN SOLVE A LOT OF THAT. RIGHT? SO MAKING SURE THAT'S THOUGHT ABOUT AS PART OF THE THE DETAILED CONVERSATION OF WHAT IT COULD BECOME. BUT WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS BEING A LARGER AREA, HENCE WHY THE MEANDERS AND THE CREEK WIDENS A LITTLE BIT TO HANDLE MORE OF THE ADDITIONAL DETENTION AND RETENTION NEEDS AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS HAPPENING NORTH. SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN ROLL IN THAT CONVERSATION INTO THE CONCEPT IN LIEU OF IT BEING A LIKE A 4 TO 1 SLOPED POND. IT'S IT'S A IT'S AN ELEMENT. IT'S A IT'S A NICE AMENITY AS PART OF THAT CREEK. YEAH. AND WE DO WE WANT THAT TO MOVE. SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT IT'S ENGINEERED PROPERLY. A FEW THINGS TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE MOVE TO NEXT STEPS IS THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART. WE TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK. WE'VE GOTTEN GREAT FEEDBACK SO FAR. THANK YOU ALL. I WANT TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM. EXCUSE ME, TOBIAS, QUESTION ABOUT SHADING. IF THERE'S A DESIRE FOR MORE SHADE, MAYBE IN LIEU OF PERFORMANCE AREAS, WE THE CENTRAL LINE WAS POPULAR I THINK BECAUSE GREG CLARK PARK ACTS SUCH AS LIKE A FAMILY PARK, IT'S A PLACE WHERE FAMILIES GATHER, AND WE THINK THAT LAWN SPACE REALLY IS ATTRACTIVE FOR THAT PURPOSE. THE OTHER THING WOULD BE, IS, IS THE TURF THAT WE WOULD USE IN THE CENTRAL LAWN AREA. SO IF WE WANTED TO GO WITH A SYNTHETIC TYPE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE BEATING. YOU CAN USE IT FOR A TON OF EVENTS, MOVIE NIGHTS, BUT YOU WANT MORE SHADING BECAUSE IT GETS WARMER. IF IF YOU WANT TO USE NATURAL TURF. I'M FROM NORTH TEXAS AND WE SAY NATURAL TURF, BUT IT'S GRASS. IT'S JUST GRASS. YOU WANT TO AVOID SOME SHADE BECAUSE THEN YOU KNOW THE GRASS, THE NATURAL GRASS IS NOT GOING TO GROW IN SHADE. SO ANY DISCUSSION OR FEEDBACK, THOUGHTS ON THAT? I. WELL, AS FAR AS THE YEAH THAT'S GREAT.

WHATEVER WE CAN DO FOR THE SHADE. WE HAD AN EVENT FUNDRAISING EVENT THIS PAST

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SUMMER OUT THERE. THAT WAS ONE THING. I WAS OUT THERE. I WAS, I WAS BAKING BECAUSE IT WAS JUST SO HOT. AND THEN YOU HAD THE ZIP LINES AND ALL THAT SO THAT WHATEVER WE CAN COME UP WITH A CONCEPT FOR, FOR THAT AND I KNOW WE WANT TO HAVE IT OPEN SHADE, BUT IF I COULD GO TO A SUGGESTION ABOUT I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEEDBACK AND I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET A LARGE RESPONSE THAT MAYBE WE'RE EXPECTING, BUT COULD WE ALSO MAYBE DO A SMALL, NOT SO LONG PRESENTATION TO THE KAYAK GROUP, THE YOUTH GROUP THAT'S WITH THAT, THAT CAN MAYBE GIVE US A SEE IF THEY MIGHT WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE INPUT, REFERENCING THE PARKS ITSELF FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW, THE SKATE PARK AND JUST FROM THEIR IDEAS AS, AS IN THAT AGE GROUP, IF MAYBE WE CAN JUST GET SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE GOT THE REMAINING SCHEDULE WHERE YOU'RE BRINGING IT TO US TODAY, AND YOU CAN ALSO DO THE PARK BOARD ON THE 23RD AND THEN THE FINAL PRESENTATION TO US ON THE 17TH. BUT IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF FEEDBACK, WE CAN GET TO THEM ON THEIR NEXT MEETING AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TO Y'ALL'S PARK AS WELL. IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE, WE CAN JUST GO WITH THAT. EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE 20 STUDENTS THAT ARE THERE THAT GO TO THOSE MEETINGS. IT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE, A REASONABLE ASK. WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE HOAS FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO YOU ALL, WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. WE WILL WE WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN. ABSOLUTELY. I ALSO WANTED TO TO GO BACK TO DOCTOR HARRIS, WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH THE AREA 14 PARKING ALONG CENTER STREET, I BELIEVE, AND WANTING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A RESTAURANT. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THE IDEA, POSSIBLY LIKE A FOOD TRUCK AREA, OR IS THAT. YEAH. YEAH, THAT MAYBE SOMETHING TO INCORPORATE WHERE YOU GET PARKING AND AND OUR FOOD TRUCK AREA AND THEY TEND TO BE POPULAR. YEAH. SOMETIMES THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO MANAGE THAN HAVING A PERMANENT TENANT FOR A RESTAURANT AT THE LOCATION. SO. WELL, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL THE FIRST TIME RANGER DRIVE, WE OWNED THAT CORNER. AND I THINK THE HOLD UP WITH THE FOOD TRUCK WAS THAT THEY WANT YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A RESTROOM. AND SO WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THE RESTROOMS IS INCORPORATED TO THE PARK. AND SO PEOPLE COULD HAVE BOTH. I THINK THAT AREA WOULD MAKE I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY DOWNFALL IS LIKE THERE'S A SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. SO HOW WE WOULD MITIGATE THAT WOULD BE MAYBE JUST A FOOD TRUCKS OR AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO HAVE SOME FOOD. I'M JUST I'M JUST THINKING FOR THAT PIECE OF 14 THAT IS ON VETERANS DRIVE THAT THAT'S JUST NOT A GOOD USE OF THAT PROPERTY. UNDERSTOOD. I AGREE THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER WHEN WE ACQUIRED IT MY MY VISION AND WHAT I KIND OF PROJECTED AT THE TIME WAS THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A AS YOU PULL UP TO THAT INTERSECTION, IT WOULD REALLY KIND OF LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A PARK THERE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SITTING AT, YOU KNOW, VAQUEROS WAITING TO TO TURN RIGHT OR GO STRAIGHT UNTIL YOU GO STRAIGHT DOWN CENTER STREET, YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE GREG CLARK PARK IS REALLY THERE. AND I WAS OPTIMISTIC THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A KIND OF A GRAND SIGNAGE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GREG CLARK PARK AS YOU PULLED UP TO THAT SECTION AND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD IT'D JUST BE ABSOLUTELY UNDENIABLE. I, I FOUGHT COUNCIL MEMBER RIZZO ON PUTTING A PARKING LOT THERE FROM MINUTE ONE. I AGREE THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST USE OF THAT SPACE. YOU, COUNCILMAN MCKINNEY, REFERRING TO CENTER STREET AT VETERANS THAT. YES, THAT CORNER. OKAY, SO JUST EMPHASIS ON THE GRAND FOR THE SENSE OF ARRIVAL IS WHAT I'M HEARING. YEAH. I WANT YOU WHEN YOU PULL UP TO THAT INTERSECTION, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU COME TO A PARK. WELL, 13 SHOWS MONUMENT. YEAH. SO CAN WE PUT THE MONUMENT? CAN WE HAVE A, LIKE, A CORNER MONUMENT, ONE THAT GOES ON CENTER STREET AND THEN GOES ACROSS TO VETERANS DRIVE? I REMEMBER WHEN YOU GUYS PURCHASED IT. COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY WANTED TO KEEP THAT ORIGINAL SIGN. WE COULD HAVE REUSED IT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY COOL TO REPURPOSE IT. IT WASN'T BAD, I GET IT, BUT IT WAS IT WAS AUTHENTIC. AND SO BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA IS TO, LIKE, HAVE SOME KIND OF MONUMENT TO SAY, THIS IS GREG CLARK PARK, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, IT'S THE LITTLE SIGN ON THE SIDE. IF YOU DON'T LOOK, YOU'LL MISS IT. YEAH. TO YOUR EARLIER POINT ABOUT NOT SHOWING THE ACREAGE THERE, YOU DON'T REALLY GET THE SENSE OF GRANDEUR FROM THE LITTLE SQUARE. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SHOOTING FOR. AND WE WILL ENSURE THAT WE GET THE RIGHT POP AND APPEAL FOR THAT CORNER.

IS THERE IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN INCORPORATE THE ART COMMITTEE TO HELP YOU GUYS FIGURE THAT OUT? IF WE GET TO THAT POINT FOR. YEAH, FOR IF THERE'S A STAGING DESIRE FOR MAYBE SOME PUBLIC ART THERE AND THIS PLAN IS ADOPTED, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY ENGAGE THEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH WITH THE PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND THEN I DO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS. I CAN'T WAIT TILL THE END OF PRESENTATIONS. MAYBE I NEED TO GET BETTER AT ASKING THEM DURING THE PRESENTATIONS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK ONE.

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I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE FOOD TRUCK KIND OF AREA, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE UPDATING OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT EASIER TO OWN, OPERATE, AND APPLY FOR FOOD TRUCK LICENSES HERE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT WAY TO KIND OF SHOWCASE THAT, KIND OF LIKE A NEW KYLE, IN A WAY. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS I DON'T BELIEVE WE AS A CITY HAVE A TRUE ALL ABILITIES PLAYGROUND, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO INCORPORATE, ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIGGER PARKS. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALLOW CHILDREN WHO HAVE OTHER SENSORY MOBILITY ISSUES TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND PLAY AS WELL. AND SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INCORPORATED.

THE OTHER, I GUESS, QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS REGARDING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO NOT JUST LIKE ACTUAL GREEN IN SHADE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAYS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE LIKE SOLAR POWERED LIGHTING OR IF, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T GO WITH LIKE AN ADULT PUMP TRACK, THERE'S LIKE STATIONARY BIKES THAT YOU CAN USE THAT KIND OF TEACH HOW KINETIC ENERGY CAN BE TURNED INTO ELECTRICITY. AND SO LIKE THAT COULD BE A FUN WAY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AND ALSO GIVE LIKE A BIKE ELEMENT TO IT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DIDN'T GO THAT ROUTE. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY COOL. AND, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO USE A LOT OF THIS TO ALSO SERVE AS LIKE EDUCATIONAL THINGS. SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS THINKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE LIKE A POLLINATOR GARDEN THAT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS COULD USE TO TEACH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WORKS, AND A RAIN GARDEN MAYBE. SO THAT WAY SCHOOLS CAN ALSO USE TO TEACH LIKE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AROUND THAT. BUT I THINK ONE OF MY OTHER CONCERNS IS ABOUT WHAT OFF SITE ACCESS CONDITIONS ARE WE LOOKING AT? BECAUSE I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS PARK. YET THE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON CENTER STREET DON'T HAVE APPROPRIATE STORMWATER DRAINAGE. THERE'S POOR LIGHTING, POOR SIDEWALKS, POOR CROSSWALKS. I MEAN, I WALKED IT MYSELF AT NIGHT BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF I WERE A CHILD WANTING TO JUST GO ACROSS THE STREET. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE RIGHT THERE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT IN A WAY THAT'S SAFE. SO IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE INVESTING IN HERE, THAT WE'RE DOING IT SIMULTANEOUSLY AND SOLVING FOR SOME OF THOSE ISSUES SO OUR RESIDENTS CAN USE IT SAFELY. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER. THAT'S A TIMELY REQUEST. IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING A UPDATED TRAILS MASTER PLAN PROPOSAL TO YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR CONNECTIVITY IN THE AREA THAT'S LACKING NOW TO MAKE SAFE ROUTES TO SOME OF THESE PARKS AND CONNECT THEM TO TO KEY POINTS IN THE CITY OF KYLE. ALL THIS INPUT IS GREAT. I LOVE THE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. IT'S MAKING THE PARKS PRO AND ME GEEK OUT. JUST HEARING YOU ALL DISCUSS THIS, BUT BUT NOTED.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT TO WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY. COUNCILMEMBER ZAVALA, ALL OF OUR CURRENT NEW PLAYGROUNDS ARE ALL ABILITIES. LA VERDE, THE THE ONES AT STEEPLECHASE, THE ONES AT WATERLOO, THE ONES AT LAKE KYLE ARE ALL ABILITY PLAYGROUNDS.

NOT EVERY SINGLE ITEM THERE MAYBE IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHEELCHAIRS, BUT THEY'RE ALL ALL ABILITIES. THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY NOW FOR PARKS AND REC THAT ALL OF OUR AREAS WILL BE ALL ABILITY AREAS. THE THE BICYCLE AREA. YEAH, THE SKATE PARK IS ALL ABILITY SKATE PARK AND ALL AGES. SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY INTEGRATED. AND SHADE WAS CONSIDERED IN THAT AS WELL.

SO I THINK PARKS HAS TAKEN A PHILOSOPHY OF EVERYTHING IS ALL ABILITY. OKAY. I THINK IT'S JUST BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE ATTENDED AND LIKE I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER WITH SOME ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES. AND SO I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN BUT IT HASN'T JUST BEEN AS ROBUST MAYBE IS IS I THINK WE COULD DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST. SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T JUST FEEL LIKE A AN ADD ON MORE, MORE. SO I THINK THAT'S JUST WHAT I WOULD HOPE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT IT'S A PART OF OUR PHILOSOPHY. AND AND IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE, LIKE THE HILLSIDE BUILT IN WITH SOME ROLLERS ACCESS AND DIFFERENT CONVEYORS AND TRANSFER AREAS.

YEAH, WE TRY TO MAKE ALL OF AREAS INCLUSIVE WHERE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WITH ANY ABILITY CAN GO AND PLAY TOGETHER, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE STUFF OUT THERE THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE TO, TO SORT OF SCALE THAT UP IN A COMMUNITY PARK LIKE THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THAT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. CAN I GIVE SOME FEEDBACK AND OR CAN WE ALL GIVE SOME FEEDBACK REGARDING WHETHER

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OR NOT WE WANT FAKE GRASS OR NOT? BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET THE IDEA THAT WE ALL WANT THAT. AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT.

SO FOR ME, I LIKE THE NATURAL GRASS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. WHAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT GRASS. CAN WE GET GRASS THAT CAN GROW A LITTLE BIT IN THE SHADE, AND THEN WE CAN ADD THE SHADE BECAUSE I THINK COUNT. MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS IS CORRECT.

WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE SHADE IN THE AREA. SO WHAT KIND OF GRASS GROWS BEST IN THE SHADE IS SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN LOOK AT. UNLESS THEY'RE ALL OPPOSED TO REGULAR GRASS AND THEY WANT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT FAKE GRASS. I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF IT, BUT I GREW UP IN THE MIDWEST, SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS.

WE'LL CALL IT SYNTHETIC TURF. THERE YOU GO. WE'LL CALL IT TURF. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER? I DO NOT WANT SYNTHETIC TURF. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE. THERE'S SOMETIMES SOME LIKE IN SPORTS FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE WHEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, HIGH HEAVY TRAFFIC OF LIKE PHYSICAL EXERTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE IT WOULD HAVE A, AN IMMEDIATE NEGATIVE IMPACT. THERE'S SOME BENEFIT TO IT THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THEN I THINK, YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. THE BALANCE IS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY TO GO HEARING NATURAL TURF OR LAWN AND FIND THE BALANCE. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LOSING AS WELL. AND UNLESS MY MATH IS MISTAKEN, WE'RE LOSING TWO BASEBALL DIAMONDS WITH THIS. OR I MEAN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE GOT A SHORTAGE OF SPORTS FACILITIES AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO EXACERBATE THAT. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, COUNCILMAN MCKINNEY, BECAUSE WE KIND OF JUST SKIRTED OVER THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE WAY THE FIELDS ARE CONFIGURED NOW, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE QUAD THERE, WHERE AREA TEN IS NOW IN THE LAWN WHERE THEY'RE FACING THE WRONG WAY, IT'S PRACTICALLY AND FUNCTIONALLY EXACTLY TO YOUR POINT, IT'S ONE FIELD BECAUSE YOU'RE BATTING INTO EACH OTHER.

AND SO IT'S NOT SAFE TO HAVE FOUR OF THOSE FIELDS WHERE THEY'RE ALL BATTING. THAT WAS ONE OF THE DESIGN FLAWS THAT WE MORE DIPLOMATICALLY REFERENCED EARLIER. BUT SO WE OUR ARGUMENT IS IT'S REALLY ONE FIELD, TWO AT TOPS. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FIELD AT VETERANS AND GREG DRIVE. AND SO WE'RE LIKE HEY LET'S WITH THIS CONCEPT. WE LIKE IT BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE POSSIBLY NETTING A FIELD WITH THIS. THIS IS MEANT FOR NOT FOR THIS CONCEPT IS NOT MEANT FOR LIKE COMPETITIVE PLAY THAT MIGHT BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO SOME SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN OUR SYSTEM. BUT THIS IS FOR RECREATIONAL PLAY. SO EASY ACCESS, LOW BARRIERS TO ENTRY, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOFTBALL. SOMETHING THAT'S VERSATILE BASEBALL EASILY PROGRAMED BY OUR PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO STRAIN OUR PROGRAMING. NO, WE THINK IT'LL ENHANCE OUR PROGRAMING TO THE CONTRARY. YEAH. WE THINK WE CONSIDER THIS NETTING NETTING ONE FIELD. THAT'S A GOOD POINT MARK MCKINNEY. THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO MAKE BECAUSE I MEAN IT IS GOING TO BE BASEBALL SEASON SOON AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TEAMS. WE'RE NOT JUST WE'RE JUST PEOPLE WANT TO COME OUT AND PRACTICE WITH THEIR KIDS, AND YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FIELD TO HIT THE BALL AND ALL THAT IS A GOOD POINT. AND THE SAME WITH WATERLEAF PARK. WE FEEL LIKE IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF FIELDS ACTUALLY MAKES THEM USEFUL FOR FOR, FOR RECREATION AND PICKUP GAMES. AND THERE ARE FIELDS AT STEEPLECHASE AS WELL STEEPLECHASE AS WELL. SO WE'RE GETTING A NICE STACKING OF FIELDS FOR A VARIETY OF NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY FOR PICKUP AND RECREATIONAL TYPE PLAY NONCOMPETITIVE. AND THERE'S A BIG NEED FOR THAT IN OUR SYSTEM. LITTLE LEAGUE IS COMPETITIVE. WELL, AGE PARENTS AND THE KIDS TO YOUR POINT. YEAH. BUT RECREATION LEVEL AS OPPOSED TO SELECT LEVEL TO BE CLEAR. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE PICKLEBALL CAN ALSO DOUBLE AS A TENNIS. WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT. IF THERE'S A TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL SO DOES IT MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER OR WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. WE COULD DESIGNATE BASED ON LIKE DESIGN AND WHAT WE GET FROM THE PROS MASTER PLAN. BUT YOU CAN MAKE A, YOU KNOW, THE TENNIS COURT WITH LINES OR YOU DESIGNATE ONE TENNIS COURT BASED ON THE DEMAND WE'RE EXPERIENCING. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK TO THE PROS MASTER PLAN TO DESIGNATE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE COMBINATION FOR THAT SPACE. OKAY. AND ON YOUR PAVILIONS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN THE SHADED AREAS, ARE YOU STILL GOING TO BE PROVIDING AREAS FOR LIKE LITTLE BARBECUE PITS FOR FAMILIES TO COME OUT, HAVE PICNICS, LITTLE COOKOUT AND SOME THINGS WHILE THEY'RE ENJOYING THE PARK? THEY THE CONSULTING TEAM ASKED US, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHEN YOU THINK OF GREG CLARK PARK? AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE THOUGHT OF MY, MY FIRST TOUR OF THE CITY WENT TO THIS PARK, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAW. I SAW FAMILIES OUT USING THE THE BARBECUE GRILLS. IT WAS VERY INVITING AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH THERE TO DO, BUT THEY MADE THE BEST OF WHAT THEY HAD. AND IT REMINDED ME OF MY CHILDHOOD, AND IT REALLY RESONATED WITH ME. AND I WANTED TO TO JOIN YOU ALL IN DOING MORE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES. OKAY. SO I HAD CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO ME BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE PAVILION ALL THE TIME FOR THEIR BIG LEAGUE TOURNAMENTS. SO ONE THING RIGHT

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NOW IS WE'VE BASICALLY WIPED OUT ALL THEIR PARKING, AND I DON'T REALLY SEE A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING THAT'S TREMENDOUSLY CLOSE TO THIS. SO IS THERE COMING IN FOR THEIR TOURNAMENTS? THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, HAULING THEIR HEAVY GEAR. THEY'RE THEY'VE SPOKEN ABOUT LIKE THE BATHROOMS. THEY WON'T EVEN USE THE BATHROOMS TO CHANGE IN THERE, YOU KNOW. SO AND THEY'VE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, CAN WE GET A CONCESSION STAND FOR THESE THINGS THAT HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE? SO THOSE WERE THINGS THAT THEY WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT. WITH ANY FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK. YOU ALL ARE RIGHT. THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR ENHANCING WITH WITH PARKING. AND I HEARD EARLIER MAYBE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SEATING AND GRANDSTANDS TO AMENITIES THAT AREA TO MAKE IT MORE INVITING FOR OUR FOR OUR PARTNERS WITH WITH THE HOCKEY GROUP. OKAY. AND THEN GOING FORWARD, CAN WE GET A LIST OF ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE NEEDING TO BE REMOVED AS WE'RE DOING ALL OF THIS PLANNING SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE STRIKING OUT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME TRAILS NOW GOING THROUGH SOME EXISTING THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOW, LIKE THE SPLASH PAD AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IS IT JUST MORE MOVING THROUGH OR IS IT ACTUALLY TAKING THOSE THINGS OUT? SO SO WHEN WE BRING THE FINAL MAYBE JUST ANY NET DIFFERENCES THAT WE HAVE. YES. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. AND I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE SHE DID KIND OF POSE A QUESTION LIKE IS THE SPLASH PAD STILL GOING TO STAY ON HERE. SPLASH PAD IS STILL IN THE MIX OKAY. AND THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A TRAIL RIGHT THROUGH IT. NO, THERE'S NOT A TRAIL RIGHT THROUGH SPLASH PAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SPLASH PAD. IT'S STILL IN THE MIX AND ITS LOCATION IS WHAT WE'VE GOT TO LAND ON. BUT IT'S POPULAR AND WE WANT TO WANT TO GET THEM, GET IT RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S IT.

JUST ONE MORE THING BEFORE I FORGET, BECAUSE MY MIND WAS LIKE, OH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CREATE SOME SORT OF OR ADD LIKE SOLAR POWERED CHARGING STATIONS, LIKE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE PHONES AND STUFF? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE THING IS I'VE FOUND MYSELF AT EVENTS AND THEY GO ON FOR A LOT LONGER THAN I ANTICIPATE, AND THEN MY PHONE'S LIKE AT 10% AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD. SO HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK WOULD JUST BE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO, RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. AND THE RESTROOMS AND ENHANCED RESTROOMS. YES THEY ARE. THEY'RE ADEQUATE. WHEN WE THINK OF WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL PASSAGE, USEFUL LIFE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THOSE RESTROOMS. WE DO HAVE A RESTROOM HERE. AND THERE IS ONE, BUT THE ONE NEAR NEAR THE PAVILION TO COUNCILMEMBER ROSA'S POINT IS, IS IT NEEDS SOME LOVE NEEDS TO PLACE. YEAH.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO BEFORE WE MOVE ON. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE LIKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE TIME RIGHT NOW IS 947. LET'S JUST BE BACK BY TEN. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER. YEAH. WE' ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 1002. AND WE ARE GOING TO RESUME THIS MEETING.

[VI) Consent Agenda]

IF EVERYBODY IS AGREEABLE I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE NOMINEES FOR THE ETHICS COMMITTEE. AND IF WE COULD ACTUALLY PULL THOSE ITEMS, IT LOOKS LIKE TEN, 11, 12 AND 12. YES. IF WE CAN AT LEAST VOTE ON THOSE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP AGENDA ITEMS 14 AND 15. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE UNDER CONSENT ITEMS 1011 AND

[10) Consider the appointment of Kenneth Rocha for Seat 7 of the City of Kyle Ethics Commission.]

[11) Consider the appointment of Miguel Zuniga for Seat 1 of the City of Kyle Ethics Commission.]

[12) Consider the appointment of Paul Hill for Seat 3 of the City of Kyle Ethics Commission.]

12. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. CAN I ALSO PULL. NUMBER SEVEN IS SOMETHING SUPER QUICK. SO WELL I DON'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ALL OF CONSENT RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST GOING TO DO THOSE LAST THREE OKAY. SO WE CAN GET THEM OUT OF HERE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. OKAY. WE HAVE THREE NOMINEES. MR. ROCHA, DOCTOR ZUNIGA AND PAUL HILL. I WOULD LIKE. FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE NOMINATION OF DOCTOR ZUNIGA. I FEEL THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE UNBIASED, GIVEN HIS HISTORY OF INEFFECTIVE USE OF THE ETHICS PROCESS HIMSELF AND HIS RECENT COUNCIL MEMBER MEMBERSHIP, AND HIS CLEAR BIAS AGAINST SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY STRONG CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR HIM TO BE APPOINTED TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION RIGHT NOW. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR IDEAS? I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT HE CAN BE FAIR AND UNBIASED, AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE KNOW OF THAT'S BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE. SO HE WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT PERSON TO RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THAT IMPROVEMENTS, ETC. BECAUSE HE'S BEEN THERE AND HE KNOWS WHAT THAT'S LIKE. OKAY. ANY

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OTHER THOUGHTS? COUNCIL OKAY. THE IT'S NOT A PART OF THAT BODY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE BODY ITSELF. THAT'S THAT'S FOR US. BUT YOU KNOW I'VE, I'VE KNOWN MIGUEL FOR A LONG TIME. I FEEL LIKE HE CAN BE. A SOLID JUDGMENT. I THINK HE CAN SET ASIDE HIS BIAS. THAT'S MY EXPECTATION AND HOPE AT LEAST. WELL, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I PROBABLY HAD ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ETHICS NOMINEES, AND THAT WAS REBECCA CHAPA. AND I REMEMBER MAYOR MITCHELL WAS EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS BECAUSE HER FAMILY, HE FELT, HAD A BIAS AGAINST HIM. AND IT WAS A VOTE THAT SPLIT THE DAIS. AND I WAS OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE I HAD FULL FAITH IN MY NOMINEE. AND SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, SHE WENT ON AND SHE DID REALLY GREAT THINGS. AND SO I I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT HE IS JUST OFF THE COUNCIL AND HAD ACTIVE CONFLICTS WITH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. BUT OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK WE SHOULD PULL THESE INDIVIDUALLY. YEAH, YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANYBODY TAKE A VOTE FOR ALL THREE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION MADE BY ME. SECONDED BY.

WHAT WAS IT, TOBIAS MEDINA. OKAY. MCKINNEY. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE. HARRIS. YES, TOBIAS. HI. FLORES. CAHILL. YES. MEDINA. YES. ZAPATA. YES. GOZA. YES.

MCKINNEY. YES. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM 12 PASSES SEVEN ZERO. WE'LL GO BACK UP TO AGENDA ITEM TEN WITH IS KENNETH ROCHA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I'VE MET MR. ROCHA MANY TIMES. HE'S HERE OR NOT? WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS BEFORE. WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WHEN HE HAD QUESTIONS REFERENCING SOME OF THE POLICE ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON CONCERNS, AND AND HE HE ASKED SOME OF THE MOST GREAT QUESTIONS, RELEVANT QUESTIONS TO THE CHIEF. AND THAT MEETING WENT VERY, VERY WELL. I DO SEE THAT HE IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY, AND I THINK HE WOULD BE A VERY FAIR REPRESENTATIVE IF IT EVER CAME DOWN TO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE AN ETHICAL SITUATION, TO WHERE I THINK HE WOULD BE VERY, VERY OPEN MINDED AND HE WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE HIS OPINIONS IN A VERY FAIR AND EQUAL MANNER. SO I WOULD MAKE THAT NOMINATION TO SUPPORT KENNETH ROCHA. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO SAY KENNETH ROCHA IS ONE OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT JUST IN BYPASSING I MEAN THIS HE'S VERY INTELLIGENT AND HE'S THOUGHTFUL. AND TO ME, HE COMES OFF VERY FAIR. AND SO THAT'S WHY I REQUESTED HIM TO BE MY NOMINEE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM TEN SECOND. MOTION BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? WELL, THE REASON WHY I CALLED FOR A ROLL CALL, AND THE OTHER ONE IS BECAUSE WE SEEM TO KIND OF SPLIT. AND SO WHEN I DO MY WHEN I DO MY RIGHT, WHEN I WRITE DOWN WHAT IT IS, IF I THINK I'M NOT GOING TO HEAR SOMEBODY, I DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. BUT WE'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO IT. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO ON THIS ONE AS WELL. I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE 770. YES, BUT THANK YOU. I DON'T WANT TO SEEM LIKE I'M BEING BIASED, I JUST MY EXPLANATION FOR THAT IS I NEED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW EVERYBODY VOTES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM 13. CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF PAUL HILL FOR SEAT THREE OF THE CITY OF KYLE ETHICS COMMISSION. I AM PRESENTER CLAUDIA ZAPATA.

MAYOR. WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY APPROVED PAUL HILL. THAT WAS AGENDA ITEM 12. YEAH, THAT WAS OUR FIRST FIRST VOTE. YEAH. THE ROLL CALL VOTE THAT YOU REQUESTED. I'M SO SORRY THAT THAT WAS FOR MIGUEL. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. DID WE NOT PICK MIGUEL? OKAY. YEAH, WE COULD DO.

YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY, WELL, LET'S GO WITH THE ROLL CALL. I DID THE ROLL. YEAH, YEAH. MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT. WE. I THINK SOMEBODY TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNED. YEAH. YEAH I TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERN. SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN FOR MIGUEL. AND SO I THOUGHT THAT'S WHO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT. GOING BACK TO AGENDA ITEM 1111 1111,

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CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT OF MIGUEL ZUNIGA FOR SEAT ONE OF THE CITY OF KYLE ETHICS COMMISSION ITEM PRESENTER COURTNEY GOZA. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF MY REASONINGS, WHY I THINK MIGUEL WOULD BE GOOD JUST BECAUSE OF. HE SHOWN THAT HE WAS A VERY LOVED COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT HE MADE A LOT OF REALLY EXCELLENT CHOICES. AND SO THERE'S NOBODY THAT I CAN CONSIDER THAT WOULD HAVE EXPERIENCE, MORE EXPERIENCE LIKE OPERATING WITHIN THE CITY AND KNOW KIND OF WHAT THOSE GUIDELINES ARE AND BE ABLE TO JUDGE THEM IN A JUDICIOUS MANNER. ALL RIGHT, I, I AGREE, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER OR NOT, PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER ZUNIGA, I THINK HE CAN HAS THE ABILITY TO BE NOT ONLY NON-BIASED, BUT HE'S HIGHLY EDUCATED AND SO HE CAN LOOK AT THESE LAWS AND KIND OF HELP FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER AND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. BUT IS ANYBODY WANTING TO SPEAK TO HIM DIRECTLY? HE'S HE'S IN ATTENDANCE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO ASK HIM DIRECTLY. NOPE. DO I HAVE ANY MOTIONS? I'D LIKE TO GO AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. I'M GOING TO TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS ONE. MEDINA. YES.

FLORES. YES. ZAPATA. YES. GOZA. YES. TOBIAS. YES, MA'AM. MCKINNEY. YES. HARRIS. NO. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES 6 TO 1. NEXT, WE ARE GOING TO PULL AGENDA ITEMS 14 AND 15. UNDER CONSIDERATION. AND POSSIBLE ACTION AGENDA ITEM 14. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH RAMTEK FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF A RESTROOM BUILDING FOR MARY KYLE HARTSON PARK, AND THE AMOUNT OF 8900, $890,759 VIA THE BY BOARD COOPERATIVE PURCHASE PURCHASING PROGRAM. WE DIDN'T DO THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT? NO, WE WERE GOING TO I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO PULL OFF. YEAH, WE WERE GOING TO BRING UP 14 AND 15. YOU JUST READ 13. OKAY, WELL, I GOT BAD NEWS. MY NUMBERS. MY IS

[14) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing an interlocal agreement between the City of Kyle, Hays County, and City of Buda for participation in the City of Kyle animal care facilities and operations.]

MISNUMBERED. SO SO YES THAT'S OKAY. THERE YOU GO. 14 AND 15. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MY

[15) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing the design contract with Jackson & Ryan Architects, Inc. for the City of Kyle animal care facility in the amount of $1,660,000.00.]

APOLOGIES GUYS. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF KYLE, HAYS COUNTY AND CITY OF BUDA FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE CITY OF KYLE ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS PRESENTER JESSE ELIZONDO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THIS IS, AS THE MAYOR SAYS, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF KYLE, HAYS COUNTY AND CITY OF BUDA FOR PARTICIPATION IN ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS. THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DEJA VU ITEM. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS THIS.

THIS ITEM WAS TABLED ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND THE PRESENTATION IS VERY SIMILAR, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE A FEW UPDATED SLIDES AND A FEW. WE TIGHTENED UP SOME THINGS IN THE AND SOME IN THE PRESENTATION. AFTER TALKING TO SOME OF OUR PARTNERS IN THIS IN THIS AGREEMENT. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, SPEAKING OF OUR PARTNERS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A HUGE THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS COURT, NOT JUST THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WE WORKED WITH ON THIS, ON THIS ISLA, BUT ALSO THE COMMISSIONERS STAFF. THEY HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUS IN WORKING WITH US. AND THEN ALSO THE CITY OF BUDA, BUDDHA CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND BUDA STAFF. IT'S BEEN A HUGE EFFORT GETTING TO THIS POINT, SO WE'LL DIVE RIGHT IN. I THINK EVERYBODY IS QUITE CLEAR THAT SAN MARCOS REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER IS RELEASING ITS INTERLOCAL PARTNERS IN 2026.

IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. THE CITY OF KYLE, AFTER HEARING THAT IN EARLY IN EARLY 2020 FOR SORRY, 2025, THEY WE STARTED A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT INCLUDED A NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A DATA ANALYSIS, EXTENSIVE PUBLIC STAKEHOLDER INPUT, SITE EVALUATION, PROGRAMING, FINANCIALS AND RIGHT SIZING OF THAT FACILITY.

THAT THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON THE CITY OF KYLE AND ITS NEEDS. AS WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WE WOULD NEED FROM WITHIN THE CITY, AT THE SAME TIME, WE BEGAN TALKS WITH AS PARTNERSHIPS WITH HAYS COUNTY, NOT AS A FULL REGIONAL SHELTER, BUT IN A VERY SPECIFIC SERVICE AREA, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN ALSO THE CITY OF BUDA, WHO WE TALKED TO IN AUGUST OF 2025 AND OCTOBER OF 2025, BOTH HAYS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF BUDA, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF KYLE, APPROVED MAS AT IN THOSE MONTHS, RESPECTIVELY. AND THEN ON JANUARY 6TH OF 2026, HAYS COUNTY APPROVED THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THROUGH THEIR COMMISSIONERS COURT. ALSO, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T

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TELL YOU THAT BUDA ALSO HAS TONIGHT ON THEIR AGENDA THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. AND WE GOT WORD JUST RECENTLY, I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS IS NODDING HIS HEAD. HE KNOWS IT JUST PASSED IN BUDA AS WELL, SO THAT'S EXCITING. WE EXPECT THE FULL DESIGN, WHICH WE HAVE THE CONTRACT FOR DESIGN COMING UP RIGHT AFTER THIS. WE EXPECT FULL DESIGN TO BE DONE IN 2026, PROBABLY LATE 2026 AT THIS POINT, AND THEN HAVE FULL CONSTRUCTION IN 2026, 2027, OPENED AND OPERATED ACCORDING TO THIS ILA. SO A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD THIS WAS ON THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WAS SOME PEOPLE ASKING JUST GENERALLY WHERE THIS IS THE LOCATIONS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW THIS IS A THIS IS THE LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT THERE THAT'S CIRCLED. BUT THE LOCATION IN THE GREATER HAYS COUNTY AREA. AND THEN IF YOU ZOOM IN, YOU CAN SEE JUST EAST OF 35 THE KYLE VISTA SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL SITE ITSELF. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER ON DAISY AND SUNFLOWER, CLOSE TO BB, THAT THE PLOT OF LAND THAT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST WITH THE LITTLE CURVE OF SUNFLOWER THERE. HERE'S A CONCEPTUAL FROM THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THE INTERLOCAL BREAKDOWN THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WILL WALK THROUGH MANY ELEMENTS OF THIS. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THESE NUMBERS. YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THEM. BUT THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE CAPITAL COST THAT WOULD BE SHARED ACROSS THE DIFFERENT PARTNERS AND THE OPERATIONAL COSTS ACROSS THE DIFFERENT PARTNERS. WE WILL ALSO BE THIS YEAR STANDING UP AN ANIMAL CARE ADVISORY BOARD. THAT IS A NON THAT MAKES NON-BINDING RECOMMENDATIONS. IT IS IT IS LITERALLY ONE OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE WILL BRING FORWARD. AND WE'LL HAVE PARTNERS FROM HAYS AND BUDA AS WELL AS A VETERINARIAN I BELIEVE IS LEGALLY REQUIRED TO BE ON THAT BOARD AND ALSO REPRESENTATIVES HERE IN KYLE SO THAT THEY WILL LOOK AT POLICY PROGRAMING, PARTNERSHIPS, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS JUST LIKE OUR PARK BOARD DOES OR OUR LIBRARY BOARD DOES, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE FINALLY PASSED THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL OF KYLE, THE INTERLOCAL BREAKDOWN. I'LL GO THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY. AND WHEN WE GET TO THE QUESTION AND ANSWER PHASE, WE I CAN WE CAN DIG IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THIS IS THE SERVICE AREA, THE FINAL SERVICE AREA THAT'S BEEN AGREED UPON BY ALL THE PARTNERS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THE FULL HAYS COUNTY REGION. IT'S JUST THIS SERVICE AREA. AND I WANTED TO BREAK OUT EXACTLY WHAT KYLE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN THIS SERVICE AREA AND WHAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR. SO WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FULL FACILITY OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF WHAT WE BUILD. WE WILL HAVE FULL CONTROL OF THE FACILITY AND OWNERSHIP OF IT ALSO DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVERY. NOW, WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE, OBVIOUSLY WITH ALL OF THE CAPITAL COSTS AND OPERATIONS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THIS WITHOUT THEIR INPUT. SO THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT REVIEW. THERE WILL BE TIMES TO LOOK AT REVIEWS ON DESIGN AND GET THEIR INPUT AND FEEDBACK THROUGH ALL OF THIS, THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVERY. BUT ULTIMATELY, THE CITY OF KYLE WILL HAVE FULL CONTROL OF THE ONGOING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THIS FACILITY. WE WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL ANIMAL SHELTERING SERVICES. THAT MEANS FULL OPERATIONS AT THE FACILITY.

ALL OF THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES THAT ARE WORKING THERE WILL WORK FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, AND ALL OF THE PARTNERSHIPS WILL GO THROUGH THAT ANIMAL SERVICE BOARD AND ALL THE PARTNERSHIPS ACROSS THE REGION THAT WILL BE PARTNERING WITH AND PROGRAMING LIKE LAUREN, WHO WHO CAME AND SPOKE. I APPRECIATE HER COMING FROM PALS. WE'LL BE WORKING WITH A LOT OF THOSE NONPROFIT PARTNERS AS WELL. ALL OF THAT WILL GO THROUGH THIS FACILITY, AND THE CITY OF KYLE WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR STAFFING AND COMPLIANCE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS BUDGETING AND COST ALLOCATION, FULL GOVERNANCE AND OVERSIGHT, AND ASSISTING IN ANIMAL CONTROL. AND THE REASON I SAY ASSISTING IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS CITY OF KYLE WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, JUST BECAUSE OF LEGAL REASONS, WILL BE CRIMINAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF KYLE. SO WE WON'T HAVE JURISDICTION TO DO ANYTHING THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF LEGAL OR CRIMINALITY, LIKE ANY KIND OF FINES OR LEGAL SEIZURES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION. WE WILL WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS, BUDA AND HAYS COUNTY, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHENEVER WE FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OUR ACOS FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY TAKE CARE OF THAT LEGAL ENFORCEMENT. WE WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FULL FUNDING OF THE FACILITY. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES WITH THE BREAKDOWN OF THE COSTS, BOTH CAPITAL AND OPERATIONAL, WE WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FULL ANIMAL CONTROL PARTNERSHIP IN THE JURISDICTIONS. LIKE I SAID, WE WILL WE OUR ACOS WILL HAVE SOME ELEMENT OF ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES IN THE SERVICE AREA, BUT WE WILL WORK ESPECIALLY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LEGAL CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT WITH THOSE JURISDICTIONS. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR FINANCIAL RISK. THAT IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS ILA. THE EVERY PARTNER TAKES ON THEIR OWN FINANCIAL RISK AND IT'S NOT SHARED ACROSS THE ILA AND THEN INDIVIDUAL PARTNER GOVERNANCE, GOVERNANCE AND PRIVATE OR JOINT OWNERSHIP OF THE FACILITY. AND IN FACT, I BELIEVE THE ILA SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT WE CANNOT BRING IN PRIVATE PARTNERS INTO THE FACILITY AND WE WILL NOT. AND THE CITY OF KYLE WILL NOT HAVE JOINT OWNERSHIP OF THE FACILITY. IT WILL BE FULLY OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE CITY OF KYLE.

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NOTHING, NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL TO THE AGREEMENT CHANGED. NO, NO SHARED COSTS OR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE AGREEMENT. BUT THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE ADDED THAT WAS SEVERAL OF THE PARTNERS WANTED IN. AND OF COURSE, THE CITY OF KYLE WAS HAPPY TO DO IT. ON LIVE OUTCOMES. YOU CAN SEE THE LANGUAGE WAS ADDED AS IT'S ADDED AS A WHEREAS STATEMENT AT THE TOP OF THE ILA AND IT'S IT'S NON-BINDING, BUT IT, IT SAYS THAT THE PARTNERS ARE COMMITTED TO MAXIMIZING POSITIVE LIFE SAVING OUTCOMES FOR ANIMALS AND WILL CONTINUALLY ALIGN POLICIES, PARTNERSHIPS AND OPERATIONS TOWARD THAT GOAL INFORMED BY DATA, PERFORMANCE METRICS AND REGULAR REPORTING. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALL PARTNERS OBVIOUSLY ARE GOING TO AGREE ON. I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE IN THIS INTERLOCAL THAT WOULD NOT AGREE TO THAT STATEMENT. AND THEN WE WILL WORK TOWARD ALL OF OUR POLICIES TO GET AS MANY LIVE OUTCOMES AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS, IN THIS VENTURE WANTS THE ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD. WE'RE ALSO ASKED JUST FROM OUR PARTNERS THAT IT, AS BEST IT CAN REASONABLY REFLECT THE PARTNERSHIPS ENTITY ENTITIES LEVEL OF CONTRIBUTION. SO THE HAYS COUNTY, I BELIEVE WANTED EXTRA SEATS ON THE ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD. WE'RE HAPPY TO OBLIGE FOR THAT. FOR THEM, AS ESPECIALLY WITH GIVEN THEIR CONTRIBUTION FOR CAPITAL AND OPERATIONS. SO WE PUT THAT IN THERE AND THEN SOME NON-SUBSTANTIVE MINOR REFINEMENTS FOR FINALIZATION OF THE ILA THAT WHEN YOU SEE THAT THAT MEANS LITTLE TWEAKS TO DEFINITIONS. A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS IS WANTED TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE FOR THEIR BOND COUNCIL, JUST IN CASE THEY BOND FOR SOME OF THAT MONEY. THAT REFLECTS SOME OF HOW HAYS COUNTY DID IT IN THEIRS. IT'S NON-SUBSTANTIVE AND MINOR, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM. WE'VE WORKED WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS TO PASS THIS AT THEIR LEVEL, AND THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE MINOR NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO GET A FINALIZED DOCUMENT THAT WE THEN PASS AROUND EVERYBODY SIGNS AFTER IT'S BEEN PASSED THROUGH THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO THE ANTICIPATED NEXT STEPS, OBVIOUSLY WE WENT THROUGH THE MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING. THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HAYS COUNTY WAS PASSED ON THE SIX. I HAVE BUDA AND CITY OF KYLE PASSING TONIGHT. CITY OF BUDA HAS PASSED THEIRS. WE HEARD EARLIER AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A DESIGN CONTRACT THAT'S COMING UP AS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT WILL GET US STARTED DESIGNING THE BUILDING. AND THEN WE HAVE DESIGN THROUGH 26 AND CONSTRUCTION THROUGH 27. YOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT AS COUNCIL IS TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED. APPROVE IT WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS OR DENIAL OF THE RESOLUTION. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED. I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS. AND TO BE FAIRNESS, THE REASON WHY THIS WAS TABLED WAS TO ALLOW THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK. SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH THEM, IF THEY DON'T MIND. ALL RIGHT. GO. COUNCILMEMBER GARZA. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS FROM THE HAYS COUNTY ANIMAL ADVOCATE ARE AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH. IF YOU'LL GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. HER QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH SOME STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON ONLINE TONIGHT THAT WAS SAYING THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING ANIMALS, POSSIBLY FROM WIMBERLEY AND OTHER AREAS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WHEN THEY GET SATELLITE OFFICES, THEN THEY WOULD TAKE OUR ANIMALS IF NECESSARY. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND SEE KIND OF WHAT THAT EXPECTATION IS. I THINK WE HAVE WALT SMITH HERE STILL. SO MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT. SIR. THERE WERE ALSO QUESTIONS ON THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE STATUTORILY, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE ISLA KIND OF WONDERED, LIKE WHAT IT IS GOING TO REALLY LOOK LIKE WHEN WE FULLY BUILD THIS OUT, LIKE INCLUDING THE, THE BUDDHA AND THEN THE COUNTY AREA, BECAUSE THAT COULD ADD SUBSTANTIAL COST THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT READY FOR YET. AND I KNOW WE'RE SHARING IT, BUT STILL, IF IT'S GOING TO ADD A LOT MORE, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE IN MY OPINION. SO I'LL TAKE THOSE ONE AT A TIME. GREAT QUESTIONS.

THE THE FIRST ONE, AND CERTAINLY COMMISSIONER SMITH IS WELCOME TO COME UP AND ADD ANYTHING TO THIS, BUT I'LL JUST START BY SAYING YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS SERVICE AREA THAT WE HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN, THAT IS THE WHOLE OF THE INTAKE FOR THIS FACILITY, IT'S SEMI REGIONAL. IT'S WE'VE LOOKED AT AND IT'S ABOUT 70 ISH, 75% OF INTAKE IN THE COUNTY. SO IT'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF THE COUNTY. BUT BASED ON THE ILA AND THE PARTNERSHIP, AS EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT, ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THIS SERVICE AREA WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE COUNTY IN SOME CAPACITY OR ANOTHER. THE THE I HAVE I HAVE TALKED TO THE PARTNERS ON THE ANIMAL SERVICES COMMITTEE, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE WHEN WE BRING THE ORDINANCE TO BUILD THAT COMMITTEE, HOW OFTEN THEY MEET CAN BE BUILT INTO THAT ORDINANCE. SO IF IT'S ONCE A YEAR, I THINK THEY WILL PROBABLY MEET QUARTERLY AT LEAST. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THIS BOARD TO DETERMINE HOW OFTEN THEY WANT THEM TO MEET. IT COULD BE AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, BUT THAT CAN BE PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE OF BUILDING THAT ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T GO 2 OR 3 YEARS WITHOUT MEETING. THEY WILL CERTAINLY BE,

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ESPECIALLY THE FIRST FEW YEARS. PLENTY OF WORK FOR THEM TO LOOK AT AND DO. AND THEN THIRD, REMIND ME THE THIRD QUESTION. SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO HIT THOSE ONE AT A TIME. IT WAS ASKING WHETHER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW ONLINE TONIGHT WERE TRUE. LIKE WHERE WHETHER INITIALLY WE'D BE TAKING WIMBERLEY. SO THAT'S WHERE WALT IS SPEAKING. BUT OH, ANOTHER THING THAT SHE ASKED WAS HAVING A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS TO COORDINATE THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT WITH THE WAY THAT THE AGREEMENT IS WRITTEN. WELL, THE THE THE FACILITY WILL BE OWNED, OPERATED AND RUN BY THE CITY OF KYLE, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE STRONG PARTNERSHIPS WITH NONPROFITS ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND PARTNER WITH THEM WITH A LOT OF OUR PROGRAMING. I MEAN, THAT'LL JUST BE A CORE PART OF WHAT WE DO. SO WHILE THEY WON'T BE IN THE FACILITY OR RUNNING HELPING RUN THE FACILITY, WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE STRONG PARTNERSHIPS WITH WITH THOSE WE I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THIS WITHOUT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS OF NONPROFITS. NOW, WITH THE CITY OWNING IT AND OPERATING IT, WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE IN ORDER FOR GRANTS, FUNDRAISING, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES? BECAUSE I KNOW AS A NONPROFIT FOR THE RESCUE THAT I'M ON THE BOARD FOR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE OF OUR NONPROFIT STATUS. OF COURSE, THE CITY IS NONPROFIT, HOWEVER, IT'S ORGANIZED DIFFERENTLY. I THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO. I DON'T THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY NONPROFIT THAT WE WOULD MISS OUT ON, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK BEING A MUNICIPALITY, WE WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR OTHER GRANTS. I WOULD THINK THAT MUCH LIKE OUR, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, WE COULD HAVE A FRIENDS OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER. COULD I ADDRESS THAT? RIGHT? I'VE WRITTEN GRANT REQUESTS TO FOUNDATIONS FOR THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY GARDEN.

YOU KNOW, WE GOT $36,000 TO START THE COMMUNITY GARDEN FROM FOUNDATIONS. I FIND THAT MOST FOUNDATIONS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THEIR. AS LONG AS THE PURPOSE OF THE GRANT IS WITHIN THEIR GRANT GUIDELINES. THE OTHER THING THAT CAN BE DONE IS IT CAN BE A FRIENDS OF LIKE THE LIBRARY HAS, BUT WE COULD ALSO GET DIRECT DONATIONS TO THE LIBRARY. THERE'S NOTHING IN MOST FOUNDATIONS THAT PROHIBIT THAT. SO OUTSIDE FUNDRAISING WOULD DEFINITELY BE A POSSIBILITY. I'D LIKE TO LET COMMISSIONER SMITH, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SPEAK TO THE WIMBERLEY AND THE OTHER AREAS. BUT I DID REMEMBER YOUR LAST QUESTION. IT WAS ON THE COSTS BEING INFLATED, TAKING IN FROM THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS. WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN OUR PROJECTIONS. AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE NEXT ITEM THAT'S COMING UP. BUT ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT DESIGN CONTRACT WILL DO WILL TAKE A LOOK. NOW THAT WE HAVE A DEFINED SERVICE AREA WITH A CONCRETE ISLA, THEY WILL TAKE THE FIRST, I BELIEVE, MONTH OR MONTH AND A HALF OF THAT CONTRACT OF BEFORE THEY START DESIGNING THE BUILDING TO DO SOME PUBLIC INPUT AND LOOK AT THE MOST UPDATED INTAKE NUMBERS THAT THEY CAN FIND, AND TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT THE FACILITY IS FULLY RIGHTSIZED FOR THAT, WE HAVE THE NUMBERS OF KYLE'S OWN OWNED AND OPERATED JUST WITHIN KYLE OR, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN NUMBER FOR CAPITAL AND OPERATIONS, AND THEY GO UP QUITE A BIT WHEN WE TAKE IN THIS, THIS TYPE OF INTAKE FOR THIS SERVICE AREA. HOWEVER, WITH THAT BREAKDOWN OF THE OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL THAT WE'RE SPLITTING WITH, WITH HAYS COUNTY AND BUDA, IT'S STILL QUITE A BIT LOWER FOR THE CITY OF KYLE AS A WHOLE. SO. OKAY, GOOD. I'D JUST LIKE TO MAYBE COLOR SOME BACKGROUND ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR COURT OVER THE LAST AT LEAST THREE YEARS ON THIS FACILITY, PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO, WE WANTED TO TAKE A REALLY HARD LOOK AT KNOWING THAT THE IMPACT THAT THE SAN MARCOS SHELTER WAS HAVING AND THE POSSIBLE NOT CLOSURE, BUT THE POSSIBLE NON-RENEWAL OF ANY CONTRACTS WITH US BECAUSE WE WERE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES THROUGH CONTRACT WITH THEM TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, OUR FIRST STEP WAS A REAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE COUNTY. WHEN WE DID THAT, WE GAVE A VERY CLEAR SCOPE OF WORK OF WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, AND WE WANTED THEM TO MEET WITH EVERY SINGLE CITY AND MUNICIPALITY IN THE COUNTY, ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUPS. THEY DID A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDER GROUP INTERACTIONS, PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHAT WE FOUND WHENEVER THAT CAME BACK, I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED IN, I'LL BE VERY HONEST, BECAUSE THEY ONLY INTERVIEWED THREE, THREE CITIES IN OUR COUNTY AND OUR NEEDS IN ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I REPRESENT THAT PART OF THE OF THE COUNTY. AND AT THE TIME, I REPRESENTED A LARGE PORTION OF KYLE I FELT WERE COMPLETELY UNADDRESSED IN THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND THAT'S THE WIMBERLEY AREA AND THE DRIPPING SPRINGS AREA. AND SO AT THAT POINT, THEY BROUGHT BACK A PROPOSAL FOR THE COUNTY TO LOOK AT AN OVERALL COUNTYWIDE FACILITY. AND IT WAS LIKE $30 MILLION SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THAT. WE LOOKED AT THAT AND SOME UNGODLY

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NUMBER, 48 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, MORE EMPLOYEES THAN WE HAD IN OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO RUN THAT FACILITY. I AT THAT TIME ASKED THE COURT TO DO A REEVALUATION AND TO LOOK AT WHAT REGIONALIZED FACILITIES WOULD LOOK LIKE. A FACILITY IN DRIPPING SPRINGS, A FACILITY, A SMALLER SCALE FACILITY IN DRIPPING SPRINGS, A SMALLER SCALE FACILITY IN WIMBERLEY, PERHAPS ONE IN THE YULIN OR FAR EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY AREA, AND A CENTRALIZED LOCATION FOR THE MAJOR CATCHMENT OF THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE LOOKED AT. WE HAD BROUGHT US AN ASSOCIATES WHO, UNDER CONTRACT FOR THE COUNTY, DID AN EVALUATION OF BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS AND BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE COUNTY, AND IT SAVES OUR TAXPAYERS AND YOUR TAXPAYERS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GO WITH A REGIONALIZED SYSTEM, SUCH AS WE'RE DISCUSSING, BECAUSE THEY'RE TAXPAYERS FOR BOTH YOU AND US. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES COUNTYWIDE, BUT WE WANT TO DO IT AT A LEVEL WHERE IT'S ECONOMICALLY AVAILABLE. IT'S UNIFORM ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO THE SERVICES THAT WOULD BE OFFERED HERE WOULD BE OFFERED IN ANY OF THOSE SATELLITE LOCATIONS. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, TODAY WE AS A COURT VOTED TO GO TO CO CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR OUR VERTICAL NEEDS, THE FIRST VERTICAL NEEDS THAT WERE LISTED, WE HAVE A TOP PRIORITY LIST.

ONE OF THOSE IS ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES NOT A ANIMAL CARE FACILITY. IT'S ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT LOCATIONS BOTH IN WIMBERLEY AND DRIPPING TO BRING ONLINE ON A SIMILAR TIMETABLE. SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE FACILITIES AND THAT IS WHAT OUR COURT ACTUALLY VOTED ON. I WANT TO SAY MAYBE JUNE OF LAST YEAR TO HAVE THOSE OTHER FACILITIES. AND WE ARE ALSO I HAVE NOT BEEN A PART AGAIN, I HAVE NOT BEEN A PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE SAN MARCOS CITY COUNCIL, AND I KNOW THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE SPOKEN TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS ABOUT THE CATCHMENT NOW COMPLETELY, NOT COMPLETELY CANCELING OUR CONTRACT ON A DROP DEAD DATE, BUT HAVING THAT EXTENDED ON A ON A DRAWDOWN BASIS, WHEREBY ANYTHING THAT IS OUT THERE THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO, IF THOSE OTHER FACILITIES ARE ONLINE, THEY COULD TAKE THOSE ANIMALS UNTIL WE GET OUR OTHER FACILITIES ONLINE. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS UNDER THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT OF ONE LARGE COUNTYWIDE FACILITY, THERE WAS A REAL CONCERN BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION, NOT FROM HAYS COUNTY WHO WOULD WHO WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE TASKED WITH RUNNING THAT. IT WAS AT A TREMENDOUS EXPENSE TO THE COUNTY AND TO OUR TAXPAYERS. WE GAVE DIRECTION TO OUR FOLKS TO GO BACK AND REALLY DO DIRECT OUTREACH TO ALL OF THOSE LOCAL ANIMAL CARE ADVOCATES AND THOSE LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, OF WHICH WE HAVE DOZENS IN OUR COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDING PHENOMENAL WORK ON BEHALF OF OUR PETS FOR YEARS AND REALLY, REALLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT SERVICES THEY CURRENTLY PROVIDE AND WHAT SERVICES THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PROVIDE. AND WHENEVER I SAY SERVICES, IT'S NOT JUST SPAY AND NEUTER, IT'S PROGRAMING. IT'S HOLISTIC, HOLISTIC. LOOK AT THAT ANIMAL CARE. AND I WAS ABSOLUTELY PERSONALLY, I WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZED TO LEARN EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING. AND SO OUR DIRECTION TO OUR FOLKS AT THAT TIME, WHENEVER WE DECIDED TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITHIN OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE SET UP AN ANIMAL CARE OR AN ANIMAL CARE BRANCH OF THAT. AND WE HAVE OUR OWN EMPLOYEES DOING THAT, COORDINATING WITH THOSE ADVOCACY GROUPS, AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE PROGRAMING THAT WILL BE IN OUR FACILITIES. AND AGAIN, I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES SETTING THE GOLD STANDARD WITH US FOR WHAT ANIMAL CARE IN OUR REGION LOOKS LIKE, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT. AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS IN OUR COURT. TAKE THAT THAT GOLD STANDARD THAT YOU ALL CREATE ALONG WITH US, AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT AND PUT IT IN EACH ONE OF THOSE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE END UP BUILDING IN THE COUNTY. RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SO JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, ARE WE GOING TO BE BRINGING ANIMALS IN FROM WIMBERLEY AND DRIPPING SPRINGS TO OUR FACILITY AS A PARTNERSHIP UNTIL THE COUNTY DECIDES WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THOSE AREAS? THAT IS NOT THE INTENT BASED ON THE ISLA. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT QUESTION GOT ANSWERED BEFORE I KEPT ON. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW. OKAY.

AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY RIGHT NOW, AGENDA ITEM 14 IS JUST AS IT STATES THE AGREEMENT TO WORK TOGETHER. IT'S NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING REGARDING THE COUNTY EAST SIDE SERVICES BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE, POSSIBLY LEASING THE LAND. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT. THAT'S AGREEMENT. COUNCILMEMBER, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THE MOU INCLUDED THAT BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF A HOLISTIC PLAN. BUT THIS AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EAST SIDE BUILDING. AND THEN I HEARD YOU MENTION

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EARLIER, ONCE WE IF WE WIN, WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM FOR DESIGN. ONCE THAT PROCESS STARTS, THEN WE'LL REDO. KIND OF LIKE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO DECIDE HOW MANY KENNELS WE NEED, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THE 41 DOG AND 36 CAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE AREA OF HAYS COUNTY AND BEAUTY THAT WE'RE ADDING INTO THE AGREEMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE HAVE KIM HANSEN HERE. IF WE GET TO THAT ITEM WITH JACKSON AND RYAN, SHE CAN WALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM. WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT FIRST PART OF THE DESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBERS. THEY COULD GO HIGHER. PERFECT. AND I THOUGHT I HAD READ SOMEWHERE ABOUT THE STUDY, INCLUDING A $1 MILLION FUNDRAISING INITIATIVE. I THINK THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE FEASIBILITY AND A POSSIBILITY TO GO OUT AND GET $1 MILLION FROM POSSIBLE FUNDRAISING, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INCLUDING IN OUR BASE PROJECTIONS. OKAY, PERFECT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. GO AHEAD. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE JUST GOING DOWN THE LINE. OKAY. SO I THINK AS AN OVERALL UNDERSTANDING FROM QUESTIONS THAT I'VE ASKED, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD GO A LITTLE BIT OVER THOSE NUMBERS, BECAUSE I THINK ON THE PROJECTIONS, IT'S LIKE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THIS COULD SAVE THIS PARTNERSHIP, COULD SAVE TAXPAYERS IN KYLE AROUND UP TO $40 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. YES, THAT'S ON THE HIGH END. YEAH.

AND THEN 25 MILLION ON THE LOW END. YEAH. BUT THAT IS TRUE. AND I DO WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THIS IS THESE ARE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS THAT WE PULLED. BUT I MEAN IT IS TRUE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT I HAVE IT HERE IN FRONT OF ME, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF KYLE DOING THIS EXCLUSIVELY BY OURSELVES, A FACILITY CAPITAL COST. WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 9 AND $14 MILLION FOR BUILDING A BUILDING. OBVIOUSLY WE OWN THE LAND, SO WE SAVE MONEY THERE, BUT WE WOULD PAY THAT 100% OUT OF THE CITY OF KYLE, AND THEN PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 1 MILLION TO $2 MILLION OPERATIONAL COSTS. NOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL OPERATION SCOPE AND STUFF, BUT THAT WAS JUST OUR ESTIMATES BASED ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE HAD, OBVIOUSLY BASED JUST LIKE COUNCILMEMBER GOZA SAID EARLIER, YOU INCREASE THE SERVICE LEVEL, YOU TAKE ON BUDDHA, YOU TAKE ON A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF HAYS COUNTY. THOSE COSTS DO GO UP. WE WERE LOOKING AT A LARGER FOOTPRINT FOR THE BUILDING. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE GOES UP. SO INSTEAD OF THE 9 TO 14 MILLION, WE WERE LOOKING AT 14 TO 24 MILLION FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO IT'S A MUCH LARGER NUMBER BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE LARGER AND NEED MORE IN IT. AND THEN THE OPERATION GOING UP TO 4 TO 8, AROUND $8 MILLION FOR POSSIBLE OPERATIONS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WHAT WE TAKE IN. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN THE PERCENTAGES BASED ON THE ILA, THE SAVINGS PER YEAR, I'LL JUST DO THE MATH FOR YOU. OUR ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4 AND $6 MILLION FOR THE FOR KYLE FOR THE OPERATIONAL I MEAN THE CAPITAL COST AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1 TO $2 MILLION PER YEAR YEAR OVER YEAR FOR OPERATIONAL COSTS. SO IF YOU ADD THAT UP OVER FIVE YEARS, YES, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND $40 MILLION FOR THE CITY OF KYLE IN SAVINGS. SO ON TOP OF THAT, APART FROM JUST COST SAVINGS, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT, WE GET A LARGER BUILDING, WE GET HIGHER OPERATION, WE GET PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND BUDDHA AND A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE AND LARGER FOOTPRINT AND LARGER OPERATION AS WELL. SO WE SEE IT AS A WIN ALL AROUND. OUR PARTNERS SEE IT AS A WIN ALL AROUND. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. YEAH, I MEAN THOSE ARE SOME I MEAN, JUST NUMBERS THAT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT THIS IS INTENTIONALLY SETTING US UP. SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T, BUT MAYBE THIS TIME WE CAN. AND THEN I ALSO, AS A FULL TIME GRANT WRITER, I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S TONS OF GRANTS AVAILABLE JUST LOCALLY STATEWIDE FEDERAL GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP OFFSET EVEN JUST THE SMALL COSTS THAT WE DO INQUIRE AS AS KYLE, AS THE CITY. AND I THINK I EVEN SENT ONE TO Y'ALL TODAY THAT WAS LIKE FOR $50,000. I WAS LIKE, HEY, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THIS LOI CLOSE IS PRETTY SOON, AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AND FUNDING FOR THIS. I THINK THE THE OTHER PART THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IS IN THE PROPOSAL FROM OR MAYBE THIS IS ACTUALLY THE OTHER PART, THE NEXT ITEM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO OR IF IT'S OKAY IF I TALK ABOUT IT NOW, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WHAT THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL. YEAH, WE CAN GET THAT TO WHENEVER WE'RE OKAY. ONE LAST THING I'D SAY IS I, YOU KNOW, WE GET ADMINISTRATIVELY WE LOOK AT COST SAVINGS AND THE BUILDING ITSELF. IT ALSO, NUMBER ONE ADDRESSES A CRITICAL NEED THAT WE HAVE IN ANIMAL SERVICES WITHIN THE COUNTY. THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT IT ADDRESSES THAT. AND THEN I ALSO JUST HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE

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HAS BEEN SOME CONCERNS AS TO LIKE WHY THERE ISN'T LIKE CERTAIN VACCINES LISTED IN HERE OR LIKE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, LIKE OUR ANIMAL SERVICES OFFICERS HAVE ACTUALLY SAID THAT THEY WOULD PREFER THAT WE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN LIMIT US. YOU CAN PROHIBIT US ON ON EXPANDING ON CERTAIN AREAS. SO IT'S ACTUALLY BEST PRACTICE TO NOT INCLUDE THOSE. CAN YOU JUST REITERATE THAT? SURE. IT'S TYPICALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BUILT THAT SPECIFICALLY INTO ILAS THAT WOULD COME THROUGH WITH ALL OF THE POLICIES AS WE BUILD THE DEPARTMENT OUT AND BE MORE SPECIFIC IN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE IN THOSE POLICIES, WHICH WE'LL GO THROUGH, NOT ONLY THE STAFF ITSELF, BUT THE BOARD AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL. WE'LL SEE ALL OF THOSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. LOOKING AT THE ILA, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY OF KYLE IS AGREEING TO TAKE ON A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY, SHELTERING SERVICES, DISEASE PREVENTION, ANIMAL HOLDS QUARANTINE ANIMALS.

SO ANY TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ANIMAL FROM THE COUNTY OR FROM BUDA, THEY'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE FROM THAT AREA ARE GOING TO CALL THE CITY OF KYLE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANSWERING ALL THOSE QUESTIONS. THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME. ANOTHER CONCERN TO ME IS SECTION 5.06 TERMINATION. AND IT STATES IF KYLE TERMINATES HIS PARTICIPATION IN THIS AGREEMENT, KYLE SHALL EITHER A PAY THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST OF THE ANNUALIZED COUNTY OBLIGATION PAYMENTS EACH YEAR WHEN SUCH PAYMENT BECOMES DUE, WITH THE FIRST PAYMENT COMMENCING IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE DATE OF KYLE'S TERMINATION OF ITS PARTICIPATION IN THIS AGREEMENT, AND CONTINUING THEREAFTER UNTIL THE COUNTY OBLIGATIONS ARE PAID IN FULL, OR B FULLY REDEEM OR DEFEASE ACCOUNTING OBLIGATIONS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE DATE OF KYLE'S TERMINATION OF ITS PARTICIPATION IN THIS AGREEMENT.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THAT MEANS? YES. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF WE TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT AND KICK EVERYONE OUT OF THE FACILITY THAT WAS BUILT, WE WILL PAY BACK WHAT WAS PAID FOR.

I WOULD DEFER TO MY CITY ATTORNEY WHO'S NOT IN HER SEAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S A SAFEGUARD FOR OUR PARTNERS THAT WE WOULD NOT CREATE A $24 MILLION BUILDING AND TAKE MILLIONS IN OPERATIONS AND THEN SAY, SORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY WITH YOU ANYMORE. COUNCIL ITEMS ARE RELATED TO DEBT, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT FINANCING, AND WE'LL BE FINANCING OUR PORTION AS WELL WITH DEBT. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IF THEY'RE OUTSTANDING BONDS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED BY BUDA OR BY THE COUNTY, THEN THERE IS A MECHANISM THAT THEY WOULD BE REPEATED YEAR TWO OR YEAR THREE. WE DECIDED TO TERMINATE THAT AGREEMENT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE VERY UNLIKELY.

BUT IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. MAYOR, WE HAVE THE SAME SAFEGUARDS FOR US IF THEY TERMINATE. EXACTLY. AND THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO THE PRIOR PARAGRAPH. ANY PARTY MAY TERMINATE ITS PARTICIPATION IN THIS AGREEMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF ANY FISCAL YEAR, IF ITS GOVERNING BODY FAILS TO APPROVE THE REQUIRED FUNDING BY PROVIDING WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE OTHER PARTIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS AGREEMENTS. SO, YES, THAT'S SAYING ANYBODY US HAYES COUNTY CAN TERMINATE THIS. SO THAT THAT TO ME IS IS A RED FLAG. IT KIND OF MAKES ME NERVOUS. ALSO, THERE ARE NO NUMBERS OTHER THAN RATES.

PERCENTAGES. THERE IS ONE NUMBER FOR $50,000 THAT'S LOCATED IN HERE. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE HOW MUCH DID THE CITY APPROVE NCO BONDS FOR THIS ANIMAL FACILITY.

SO WE'VE WE'VE NOT APPROVED THE ACTUAL ISSUANCE OF THE $10 MILLION HAD BEEN INCLUDED IN THE CIP FOR THE FACILITY. SO THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSAL WITH ISLA IS LESS THAN WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING IN OUR CAPITAL PLAN. ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS, THEN WE SHOULD PUT IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO THAT $10 MILLION THAT WE'VE ALREADY BONDED OUT FOR. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. WELL, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. WE HAVEN'T BONDED OUT. THIS IS A PLANNED USE OF DEBT. IT WAS IN THE CIP, BUT NO BONDS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THAT. CORRECT? OKAY. SO THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED BUT NOT ISSUED. NO, NO, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED. IT'S JUST PART OF THE CIP PLAN THAT WE HAVE.

SO THE COUNCIL HAS NOT VOTED TO ISSUE ANY BONDS OR APPROVED ANY BONDS TO BE ISSUED. IT'S PART OF A CAPITAL PLAN THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER. SO PROJECTS AND THE FUNDING AND THE PLANS OF HOW THAT WOULD BE FINANCED. BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ISSUED OR FORMALLY APPROVED. OKAY. SO WHEN I WAS AT THE MEETING, WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE WAS $69 MILLION AND THE COUNCIL TOOK A VOTE TO AND VOTED YES. WE WANT TO TAKE THIS $69 MILLION AND 10 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. SO IT'S IT'S A PLAN. SO THE CIP HAS BEEN APPROVED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ABOUT THAT. NO BONDS HAVE BEEN ISSUED BY THE COUNCIL. RIGHT. YEAH, I CORRECTED MYSELF. IT'S CLEAR. YES. NOT NOT ISSUED.

BUT THEY WERE APPROVED. $10 MILLION WAS APPROVED DURING THAT VOTE. THAT $69 MILLION VOTE. YOU GUYS SAID 10 MILLION WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER. SO HOW MUCH IS

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THIS GOING TO COST US? THAT WAS THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY. MAYOR, JUST A CLARIFICATION. WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED THE BUILDING YET, AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE PERCENTAGE BREAKDOWNS IN THE ISLA FOR THAT REASON. WE DON'T KNOW THE COST OF THE BUILDING AT THIS POINT. SO WE HAVE THE COST OF THE DESIGN CONTRACT, WHICH IS SPLIT UP. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY LIMITING OURSELVES TO A CERTAIN NUMBER AT THIS POINT, BEFORE WE KNOW THE NUMBER OF THE BUILDING WOULD. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD PUT THAT IN THE ISLA. WELL, WE HAVE ESTIMATES FOR THE GO AHEAD. WE HAVE ESTIMATES FOR THE COST OF THE OF THE BUILDING, AND IT'S A RANGE RIGHT NOW UNTIL THAT'S REFINED, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE EXPECT THAT THE TOTAL COST TO BE LESS THAN 10 MILLION. BUT AS JESSIE'S POINTED OUT, WE CAN'T GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT WILL COME BACK. AND CERTAINLY THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPTION TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO FUND, WHAT'S THE TYPE OF BUILDING YOU WANT TO HAVE THE FINISH OUT, ALL THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE, AND YOU WILL HAVE OPTIONS OF HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO TO APPORTION THAT COST. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED THE BUILDING. OKAY. THAT'S SO THAT'S FOR ME. I DON'T WANT TO JUST GIVE A BLANK CHECK. I DON'T WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW, WE ALREADY HAVE TO PAY $1.6 MILLION JUST TO GET THESE PLANS. AND THEN WHAT IF WE DO THE 1.6 AND REALIZE THAT'S IT'S GOING TO COST EVERYBODY 15 MILLION INSTEAD? WELL, THE DESIGN PROCESS WILL BE IF WE GET TO THAT ITEM NEXT, IT'LL BE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS. IT WON'T BE APPROVAL OF DESIGN PROCESS. HERE'S THE BUILDING. HERE'S HOW MUCH IT COSTS. COUNCIL WILL BE INTRICATELY INVOLVED IN FEEDBACK AND UPDATES AS WE GO FORWARD. THE RANGE THAT THAT BRIAN MENTIONED IS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND A CERTAIN COST PER SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO IF THE AS THE BUILDING GETS DESIGNED, IF THAT STARTS TO GO HIGHER AND HIGHER, THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU CAN DROP THE COST PER SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE BUILDING. THOSE WILL ALL COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR VOTES.

SO THERE'S THAT. THAT'S THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD TO GIVE A PERFECT ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE BUILDING WILL COST, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND FIND OUT THE EXACT INTAKE THAT'S GOING TO COME IN FROM THAT AREA. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD BEFORE WE COME UP WITH THAT EXACT NUMBER, WHICH MAKES ME EXTREMELY NERVOUS. YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ANIMALS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO INTAKE? I THINK WE HAVE TO ASSUMING WE PASS AGENDA ITEM 15, WE WILL GET MORE INFORMATION LATER ON THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BASE BETTER INFORMED DECISIONS ON. RIGHT. BUT A FEASIBILITY COULD DO THE SAME THING. AND OUR FEASIBILITY ONLY PERTAINS TO THE CITY OF KYLE. SO IF WE WANTED TO GET A TRUER, BETTER NUMBER WITHOUT SPENDING OR, YOU KNOW, SIGNING AN ISLA OR GOING OVER THE $10 MILLION BUDGET, WHICH THE COUNCIL HAS PROMISED TO TO THE RESIDENTS WHEN THEY TOOK THAT VOTE, WHY WOULDN'T WE DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE WHOLE AREA THAT WE ARE GOING TO COVER? WELL, OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS ORIGINALLY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE BEFORE WE ENTERED, STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PARTNERSHIP. BUT THAT IS WHY THE FIRST PART OF THE DESIGN AND WE ALSO DID SOME SOME ELEMENT, A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THIS GENERAL INTAKE AREA. BUT TO YOUR POINT, BEFORE WE START DESIGNING A BUILDING, WE WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE INTAKING AND HOW WE WANT TO DESIGN THAT BUILDING AND GO STEP BY STEP FROM THERE. SO THAT WILL BE THAT FIRST MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF THAT THAT KIM CAN TALK ABOUT FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE DESIGN PHASE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, RIGHT, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OKAY. SO WHY WOULDN'T WE DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE WHOLE AREA BEFORE WE APPROVE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY? I GUESS, MAYOR, I GUESS I'M NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION. I DON'T IF YOU RESTATE IT. WELL, YOU DID ONE FEASIBILITY ALREADY, RIGHT, FOR THE CITY OF KYLE, AND WE WERE GOING TO PLAN WITH THAT. SO WHY WOULDN'T WE DO ANOTHER FEASIBILITY WITH BUDA AND THE COUNTY TO DECIDE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO? I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK WE, BASED ON THAT FEASIBILITY AND THE SMALL INTAKE FEASIBILITY FOR THIS SERVICE AREA, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT, HOW MANY, WHAT THE SPACE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT CLEAR BEFORE WE BEGIN THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE THIS FIRST PHASE. IT WAS JUST IT WAS THE TIMING OF THE PROCESS OF PUTTING ALL THE PARTNERSHIPS TOGETHER. I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO PAY FOR THAT BEFORE WE HAVE AN ISLA, LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU? BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR ONE FEASIBILITY STUDY, RIGHT? SO WHY? OKAY, WHY DID WE PAY FOR IT WITH JUST US AS A CITY? SO WHY WOULDN'T WE DO IT FOR THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WE'RE SITING IN ISLA FOR? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL, ONCE WE'VE AGREED ON THE ISLA DID OKAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. I 100% UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IT AFTERWARDS. SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS TO SPEND $1.6 MILLION TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. POINT OF ORDER. WE'RE ON ITEM 14. CLARIFY IF I COULD. RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST THAT WE'RE NOT SKIPPING. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING. WE'VE DONE A PRELIMINARY FEASIBILITY FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA THAT'S THERE. IT'S NOT A FINAL FEASIBILITY REPORT. IT'S JESSE'S TRIED TO MENTION TO YOU THE FIRST PART OF A $1.6 MILLION. THAT'S CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT CAN BE BID. THE FIRST MONTH OF THAT WILL BE TO COMPLETE AND FINALIZE AND VALIDATE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THAT PRELIMINARY FEASIBILITY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. SO IT'S NOT A FULL $1.6 MILLION FOR A

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MONTH'S WORTH OF WORK. IT'S A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER. AND THAT COST WOULD BE SHARED BETWEEN US AND ALL OF OUR PARTNERS. SO 66%, ROUGHLY, OR 65% OF THAT COST WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE REMAINDER AS LONG AS WELL AS BUDA. SO THAT'S THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WE WANT TO VALIDATE THE NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO SURPRISES ON THE BEGINNING OF THIS. AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FINAL DESIGN. BUT WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING I WANT TO BE CLEAR. WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE SPEND $1.6 MILLION AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT WILL BE A IT WILL BE A PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH. AND AS THOSE NUMBERS GET VALIDATED AND COME TO FRUITION, THEY'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AND YOU'LL SEE THEM AS WE GO FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS. BUT ONCE WE SIGN THE ISLA, WE ARE WE'RE DEDICATED TO IT. THERE'S NO GOING BACK. ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE GO BACK AND NOT OFFER ANIMAL SERVICES AT ALL? NO ONE SAID THAT. MY SUGGESTION. I MEAN, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, AND I. AND I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN A MINUTE. BUT I HAVE CONCERNS, REAL CONCERNS, AND I JUST WANT THEM ADDRESSED. SO MY NEXT QUESTION WILL BE WHAT IS THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE COST FOR THIS? OUR OPERATIONAL ESTIMATE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4 TO 6 OR 4 TO $8 MILLION. BUT AGAIN THAT'S BASED ON FORECASTING.

AND THAT IS SPLIT BETWEEN THE ENTITIES. SO THE CITY OF KYLE WOULD BE PAYING AROUND 650,000 TO ABOUT 1.5 MILLION OPERATIONALLY. OKAY. THAT'LL MAKE IT REALLY HARD TO BUDGET WITH SUCH A BIG GAP IN THE NUMBER. SO WHEN WE SAY 4 TO 8 MILLION, THAT KIND OF MAKES ME NERVOUS. THAT'S TOTAL FOR THAT. THAT'S THAT'S BEFORE WE SPLIT THE COST WITH HAYS COUNTY AND BUDA. UNDERSTOOD. IT'S NOT JUST THE TOTAL, IT'S JUST THE GAP. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE 4 OR 8 MILLION FOR ALL THREE OF US TO SPLIT. THAT'S TO ME IT'S AN UNKNOWN NUMBER. AND SO THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS TO PROCEED. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE THESE ANIMALS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WERE INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIONS, WHERE DO THOSE ANIMALS GO? WE WOULDN'T TAKE THEM. WE JUST WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO CARRY THOSE OUT IN JURISDICTIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE LEGAL AUTHORITY IN. SO THE ENTITY WOULD THE ENTITY THAT HAS LEGAL AUTHORITY WOULD CARRY THEM OUT, BUT WE WOULDN'T TAKE THOSE ANIMALS. AND THEN WHAT? AND SO THE POLICE OFFICERS WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT AFTERWARDS. LIKE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THEN WE HAVE THE DOG. WE'LL JUST KEEP THE DOG OR THE CAT. WHAT DOG ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THE ANIMAL THAT GETS CONFISCATED DUE TO, LIKE A CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THE ACTUAL PROCESS. I MEAN, WE CAN. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW FOR THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF HOW WE WOULD INTAKE. OKAY. CAN I ASK COMMISSIONER SMITH A QUESTION? SURE. ON THAT POINT, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE REASONING BEHIND THAT THE ANIMALS ARE ANIMALS THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN, THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH INTAKE AND THEY'LL BE CARED FOR ALL IN THE EXACT SAME WAY. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THE CARETAKER IN A FACILITY DOESN'T CARE WHY THAT ANIMAL IS THERE IS OTHER THAN FOR ITS WELL-BEING. THE POINT THAT WAS MADE, AND I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK THERE MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST UNDERSTANDING ON ON YOUR QUESTION. IF AN ANIMAL IS TAKEN IN BECAUSE OF SOME CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN BUDA, THEN THE CITY OF BUDA WOULD BE PROSECUTED, THAT IF IT WAS TAKEN IN WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, Y'ALL WOULD BE THE ONES WHO WOULD PROSECUTE THAT IF IT WAS TAKEN IN THAT THAT UNINCORPORATED AREA OF THE COUNTY, OR THAT GENERAL CATCHMENT AREA NOT INCLUDED IN ONE OF THEM. THEN THE THE HAYS COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE HAYS COUNTY D.A. WOULD BE THE ONE PROSECUTING THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT WAS JUST CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THAT'S THE WAY IT UNDER STATE STATUTE, THAT'S THE WAY IT WOULD WORK. IT'S JUST CLARIFIED IN THE ILA RESTATING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN UNDER STATUTE. OKAY.

WITH YOUR SATELLITE OFFICES. WHO ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO SHARE THE COST OR WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE SATELLITE OFFICES IN WIMBERLEY? IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO BE PAYING RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT LOCATION AT EITHER THE DRIPPING OR AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT A LOCATION IN WIMBERLEY TO PARTNER WITH A NONPROFIT ON THEIR ON THEIR FACILITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST ONE, PERHAPS TWO LOCATIONS IN THE DRIPPING SPRINGS AREA WHERE WE WOULD EITHER PAY FULL FREIGHT ON IT OR BECAUSE THOSE ARE IN ASHE FOR FOR SOME TYPE OF PAYMENT, IF IT WAS FOR THOSE, THOSE INDIVIDUAL CITIES. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IN THOSE AREAS WE MAY NOT EVEN BE THE CATCHMENT AREA, MAY BE IT'LL PROBABLY BE THREE TIMES WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE. IT'S JUST THE SHEER VOLUME THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN THIS AREA. THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO SAY ALMOST 80% OF THE DOGS AND CATS THAT ARE THAT ARE TAKEN INTO OUR SYSTEM OUTSIDE OF THAT SAN MARCOS CITY LIMIT AREA IS RIGHT HERE. AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE A FACILITY SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE GREATEST NEED IS. AND AS WE CREATE THESE OTHER FACILITIES WE WANT TO HAVE,

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MAKE SURE THAT WHERE WE CREATE THEM, WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE AS WE SEE ADDITIONAL POPULATION THERE FOR GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS. AND SO WE'RE WE DON'T HAVEN'T DRAWN THE CATCHMENT AREAS FOR THOSE OTHER FACILITIES YET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE. AGAIN, WE PROVIDED FUNDING FOR SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES TODAY IN OUR COURT, AND I ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE PROJECTS PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS. SO WHAT IS THE COUNTY GOING TO DO IF THE CITY DECIDES NOT TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND THEY JUST BUILD THE FIRST, THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY DISAPPOINTED. AND SO WILL THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS OF BUDA. WE'RE NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD IT. I'M JUST SAYING IF KYLE DECIDES TO BUILD ON ITS OWN, WHAT IS THE COUNTY GOING TO DO? WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR TAXPAYERS AND SAY THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THE COST OF THE FACILITY IS GOING TO GO UP EXPONENTIALLY. AND I WOULD I'LL BE HONEST, I'D JUST BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS. OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE REALLY STRIVEN TO DO TWO THINGS MORE THAN ANYTHING. WELL, THREE THINGS. THE FIRST IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE UTMOST ANIMAL CARE FOR ALL OF THOSE ANIMALS THAT THAT WOULD GO INTO, INTO A FACILITY, WHETHER THAT'S WITH Y'ALL, WHETHER THAT'S WITH SOMEBODY ELSE, WHETHER THAT'S ON OUR OWN. SECONDLY, WE WANTED TO DO IT IN A VERY UNIFORM MANNER THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE ALL OF THOSE SERVICES AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. BUT THIRD, AND POSSIBLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT WAS TO DO IT IN A WAY WHERE WE COULD STRETCH THE DOLLAR FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES AS FAR AS POSSIBLE. NOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROPOSAL TODAY, AND THIS ISN'T THE VIEW OF THE COURT. WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, THIS IS MY VIEW. WHENEVER I TALK TO MY CONSTITUENTS AND I TELL THEM THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAXED BY TWO ENTITIES, NO MATTER WHAT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, YOU WILL BE TAXED BY BOTH THOSE ENTITIES. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF I CAN MAKE THAT SAME DOLLAR GO TWICE AS FAR, I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND IN MY TIME ON THE COURT, I'VE SEEN VERY FEW AGREEMENTS BETWEEN OUR MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTY WHERE ONE DIDN'T COME OUT A LOSER. AND I SAY THAT VERY CLEARLY. ONE ENTITY WILL ALWAYS PAY MORE, AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GET EVERYTHING WORTHWHILE. THIS IS ONE AGREEMENT WHERE I'VE BEEN PROUD TO LOOK AT IT AS IT'S COME THROUGH OUR COURT AND WORK ON IT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE THE FIRST PROPOSALS THAT CAME TO US WERE SO POOR. I FELT FOR THE FOR OUR COUNTY TAXPAYERS AND FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE THE PARTICIPATING MUNICIPALITIES. THIS IS ONE THAT I TRULY FEEL THE TAXPAYER IS THE WINNER. THE PETS ARE A WINNER. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE COMMUNITY'S A WINNER BECAUSE WE'RE PARTNERING WITH OUR LOCAL PARTNERS WHO HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THESE SERVICES IN HAYS COUNTY, IN THE CITY OF KYLE FOR LITERALLY DECADES. AND WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD SPECIFICALLY TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY WERE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS, AND WE DECIDED TO STAY IN COUNTY AND IN COMMUNITY WITH THOSE WITH THOSE VOLUNTEERS AND WITH THOSE THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE WORK WITH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OVERALL, MY OPINION IS I THINK THE CITY OF KYLE SHOULD DO THIS ON THEIR OWN. I THINK WE CAN STAY WITHIN THE $10 MILLION. WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR ANIMALS. MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE CAN MAKE IT A NO KILL SHELTER. I THINK WE COULD DO MORE BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A COUNTY ISSUE. AND IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE CONTROL OVER IT, AND IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND BE THE ONE IN CHARGE OF THIS, I FIGURE THEN IT SHOULD JUST BE THE CITY OF KYLE. ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE CAN TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. TODAY, WE COULD CAP IT AT $10 MILLION AND THEN THAT WAY WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT. GO AHEAD. YES, I DISAGREE. I THINK IT'S A TREMENDOUS DEAL FOR ALL PARTIES. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THE JOB THAT THIS JOINT VENTURE WOULD DO ON OUR OWN.

AND WE'VE EVALUATED THAT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. WE KNOW THAT THIS SAVES US MONEY. WE KNOW THAT IT SAVES THE COUNTY MONEY, AND WE KNOW THAT IT PROVIDES THE BEST SERVICES POSSIBLE FOR THE ANIMALS AND INTEGRATES THE THE PARTNERS THAT ARE NONPROFITS TO THE WIDEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD, GOOD IDEA AND A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY OF KYLE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD NOT WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS. THE COUNTY WILL BE AN EXCELLENT PARTNER AND SO WILL BUDA. AND IF WE KICK THEM OUT OF THIS PARTNERSHIP, I THINK THAT WE ARE. DOING EVERYBODY A DISSERVICE. YOU KNOW, THERE THERE ARE TIME FRAMES ON THIS. SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ILA TONIGHT.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULD NOT NEED AN ANIMAL SERVICES FACILITY. IN THE ABSENCE OF AN IDEAL WORLD, WE NEED TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO DO THE MOST

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AMOUNT OF GOOD WITH THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. SINCE I TOOK THIS SEAT, I, OUR PEERS AT THE COUNTY, OUR PEERS AT OTHER CITIES, OUR PEERS AT THE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY CAN ALL ATTEST. I HAVE WORKED TO POOL OUR RESOURCES TO GET THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT TO OUR RESIDENTS WITHOUT HAVING TO BASICALLY DOUBLE TAX THEM FOR THE SAME SERVICES. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN WE CAN PARTNER AND MAXIMIZE THE THE TAX MONEY THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE PAYING TO GET THE MOST AMOUNT OF GOOD, TO GET A SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER FACILITY. WE'RE STILL MAINTAINING CONTROL. SO IF YOU'RE ADAMANT ABOUT MAKING IT A NO KILL, LIKE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF US MAINTAINING CONTROL AND NOT TURNING OVER TO THE COUNTY. IF WE OPT TO GO SOLO BY OURSELVES. CITY OF KYLE, IT WILL COST OUR RESIDENTS MORE. OVERALL, OUR RESIDENTS WILL STILL BE PAYING FOR A COUNTY FACILITY BECAUSE THOSE NEEDS WILL STILL BE PRESENT, AND WE WILL JUST GET LESS SERVICE FOR THOSE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SPENDING. THIS IS A THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT BENEFITS ALL OF US. IT AND HONESTLY, IT REALLY TREMENDOUSLY BENEFITS THE ANIMALS BECAUSE IT PROVIDES ON A MUCH FASTER SCALE THAN SENDING EVERYBODY BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, A FACILITY WHERE WE CAN DO THE GOOD AND TAKE CARE OF THE NEED AND SATISFY OUR RESIDENTS. OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR IDEAS? I DO WANT TO PREFACE WITH PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SAVE AND HOW THIS IS SUCH A GOOD DEAL, AND I'VE YET TO HEAR ONE AMOUNT, ONE NUMBER, ONE COMPARISON. IT'S ALL JUST VERY GENERALIZED. I'VE HEARD WORD LIKE TREMENDOUS EXPENSE, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, GREAT SAVINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE NICE WORDS. I CAN'T USE THOSE WORDS AND PUT THEM IN MY ACCOUNT THOUGH. I CAN'T PUT THOSE. I CAN'T TELL THE RESIDENTS, HEY, WE SAVED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO TRUST THAT. SO FOR ME IT'S ALL ABOUT SEEING ACTUAL NUMBERS JUST IN ORDER TO TRY TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF KYLE. WE THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THESE NUMBERS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT. AND IT ALL STARTED WITH A, YOU KNOW, A VOTE TO A LOT, $10 MILLION TO THIS. AND NOW I CAN'T GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SAVE YOU A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN 10 MILLION. I CAN'T TELL THEM THAT, CAN I? SURE YOU CAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO VOTE WHENEVER THE TIME COMES TO SPEND THAT MONEY. THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. AT WHAT POINT HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BUILDING BUILT WHERE YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU EVEN GOT PLANS, WHAT IT WAS GOING TO COST? THERE'S THERE'S A WAS THAT A TIMELINE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH? THERE'S NO INFORMATION. I MEAN, FOR SOME, WILLIAMSON COUNTY DID IT RIGHT. THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE THIS ILA THAT WAS WAS LONGER AND MORE DETAILED THAN THE WHAT WE HAVE. AND SO MY QUESTION IS WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IF THERE'S ONE THING TEXAS WILL TEACH YOU IS THERE'S 254 WAYS TO DO THINGS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. THAT'S REALLY TOO BAD THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ANSWER.

INSTEAD OF, HEY, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. LET'S CHECK IT OUT. BUT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER I MEAN, MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, BUT ANYHOW, I GUESS, MAYOR, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS THAT LET'S LET'S REWIND BACK TO 2020 WHEN WE'RE DOING THE BOND FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. DID WE HAVE AN ACTUAL NUMBER THEN AS FAR AS BRINGING TO THE VOTERS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF OF MONEY THAT IT WOULD COST FOR THE BUILDING TO BE BUILT? YES. DO WE HAVE THAT? SO WHEN WE WENT TO THE VOTERS, WE DID OUR STUDIES, WE DID OUR SURVEYS, WE DID ALL THAT FEASIBILITY COMPARED THE FACILITY ITSELF FROM COLLEGE STATION TO THE. ONE IN NEW BRAUNFELS, TO HAVE A GENERALIZED IDEA AS FAR AS THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET DOWN IS THE BREAKDOWN TO SAY, IF WE'VE ALREADY NOT SAYING THAT WE'VE ISSUED THE BONDS OR WE HAVE, BUT WE'VE BUDGETED THE CIP, THE $10 MILLION, THAT THIS IS A FACILITY THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO BUILD WITHIN, WITHIN THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE AND THEN ALSO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WOULD NEED TO COME WITH IT, WHO WOULD CARE WHO WOULD PICK UP THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THIS $10 MILLION IS GOING TO BE WHAT THE CITY, KYLE, IS GOING TO LAY ON THE TABLE AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE AFTERWARDS IF IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT COULD BE A $32 MILLION FACILITY FOR ALL WE KNOW. AND JUST HEARING THE

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NUMBERS ABOUT WHAT ONE POINT, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH PER YEAR OF OPERATIONAL COSTS THAT WE GOT TO MANAGE FOR JUST THESE CATS AND DOGS, ALMOST $1 MILLION, I THINK, HE SAID 4 TO 8, 4 TO $8 MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ANIMALS. TWO I'M SORRY. OPERATIONALLY, THE ENTIRE OPERATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT 2 TO 4 MILLION. BUT KYLE'S COST UNDER THIS ISLA WOULD BE 650,000 TO 1.5 MILLION. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATES OKAY. THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATES.

BUT JUST LIKE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, MILK PRICES GO UP AND DOWN SO THAT NUMBER CAN CHANGE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE THE IDEA OF HAVING A CAP ON ON THE BUILDING ITSELF. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IT'S COMING, COMING ACROSS IS TO SEE IF WE HAVE THIS ALREADY ALLOTTED FROM THE CITY OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING FROM OUR POINT WHERE WHERE WOULD THE BUDDHA AND HAYS COUNTY COME UP WITH A DIFFERENCE IN ON THAT END? DO WE NEED A CENTER? YES WE DO.

IT'S IT'S BEEN A BATTLE CRY FOR SO MANY OF THESE PEOPLE. THERE'S NOTHING I MEAN, I'VE GOT MY OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS ABOUT PETS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OWN OPINIONS ABOUT IT. I, YOU KNOW, IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS. ET CETERA. ET CETERA, ET CETERA. BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THE ISSUE HERE. I DO SUPPORT AN ANIMAL CENTER, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION. MAYOR, ARE YOU WANTING TO CAP THIS OFF AT $10 MILLION AND SAY IF THIS FACILITY ENDS UP BEING $30 MILLION, THEN THE COUNTY AND BUDDHA WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE FUNDS. I MEAN, IDEALLY WITH $10 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT, WHY ARE WE NOT TAKING THIS TO THE VOTERS? AND AT WHAT POINT DO WE STOP ISSUING BONDS AND MAKING THOSE KIND OF CHOICES? WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MILLION OR A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 MILLION. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THAT AMOUNT, I THINK. WELL, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE THE CIP THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD BACKUP TO SUPPORT THE $10 MILLION. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THAT, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOT TO TAKE THIS TO THE VOTERS AND HAVE THEM HAVE A SAY IN WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE SAYING YES OR NO PEOPLE. I MEAN, IT'S BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME. I'M THE I LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. AND I MADE A POINT TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS AND WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY AND WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE? AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT WAS PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE, CAN'T WE JUST TAKE CARE OF KYLE? AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S THAT'S UNREALISTIC. MAYBE WE WANT TO, LIKE, TAKE CARE OF REACH BEYOND OUR MEANS AND TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF SPENDING EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY. WE GOT A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT A BATHROOM AND MARY HARTMAN PARK. THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE. IT'S ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS. AND SO, WELL, MAYOR, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE COUNTY FACILITY AND FOR THE KYLE FACILITY. SO THE POINT IS, BY COMBINING THOSE TWO SERVICES, THE DOLLAR STRETCHES FURTHER. WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I DO THAT DOES BE TAXED TWICE. RIGHT? UNDERSTOOD. BUT HERE'S MY DEAL. LIKE IF WE JUST CAP IT AT $10 MILLION AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CAP HELPS YOU, BUT IT'S JUST THE POINT OF, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. IF YOU WERE JUST BUILDING THE KYLE FACILITY AND TODAY WE HAD A CONTRACT TO DESIGN A KYLE FACILITY FOR JUST KYLE ITSELF.

WE COULD NOT TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT. IT'S JUST IT'S THE SAME ISSUE, BUT JUST FOR A JOINT FACILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO IF WE WERE AGAIN BUILDING JUST A KYLE FACILITY, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS TO DESIGN IT TO GIVE YOU A FINAL COST. THE 10 MILLION WAS A PLANNING LEVEL NUMBER THAT WE HAD. WE BELIEVE WE'RE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS WITH THIS PARTNERSHIP. WE'RE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN THAT $10 MILLION FIGURE. SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT OF NOT WANTING TO GO OVER THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT CERTAINTY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE THOSE NUMBERS. THE PLANNING LEVEL NUMBER, JESSIE, WAS 20 TO $24 MILLION WAS FOR THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND IF YOU DO THE MATH, WE'RE LOOKING AT $6 MILLION OF THAT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY. SO AGAIN, SO WE COULD ADD THAT ESSENTIALLY. WELL, BECAUSE WE ALL WANT THE ANIMAL SHELTER. EVERYBODY WANTS IT. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT COME BACK, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT AS IT GOES FORWARD. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S NEEDED TO HAVE IT IN THERE PERSONALLY, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AS A RESTRICTION GOING FORWARD.

THERE'S NOT A RESTRICTION FROM THE COUNTY OR FOR BUDA THAT THEY HAVE, SO WE'D HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SHOW YOU THAT.

AND THEN IF IT'S IF IT'S A NUMBER THAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, TO THEN TRY

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TO VALUE ENGINEER THE FACILITY TO GET DOWN TO IT. OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, INTENDED COSTS AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.

I THINK IT'S EASY TO SLIP AN ESTIMATE IN LIKE, THIS IS THE CURRENT ESTIMATED COST, AND THE CURRENT SHARE OF THAT ESTIMATED COST FOR THE CITY OF KYLE IS THIS AMOUNT FOR THE COUNTY.

IT'S THIS AMOUNT FOR BUTTE, IT'S THIS AMOUNT. I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY EASY THING TO PUT INTO THIS AGREEMENT. AND I AND I DON'T IMAGINE THAT ANY OF THE PARTIES ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. OH, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. ANY KIND OF NUMBER OTHER THAN A PERCENTAGE WOULD BE NICE. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDENDUM. IT WOULD NOT BE A MODIFICATION OF THE ILA. IT WOULD BE A MODIFICATION OF THE ILA. YES. SO WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PARTIES. YEAH I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW THEY APPROVE IT, HOW THEY APPROVED IT. SO. WELL THEY'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT. YES. IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON IF THEY APPROVED IT WITH THE ABILITY TO MAKE MINOR MODIFICATIONS AFTER THE APPROVAL OR IF NOT, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR MODIFICATION. THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO BACK IF THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR THE OTHER PARTIES, BUT. THAT'S AN OPTION. I ALSO THINK IF WE PUT IF WE PUT A CAP IN IT, I'M JUST THINKING THIS THROUGH. THEY MIGHT THE OTHER ENTITIES MAY WANT TO PUT A CAP IN IT AS WELL, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CAP ON IT AND IT INCREASES, DOES THAT WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE BREAKDOWN. RIGHT. SO YOU WOULD WANT EVERY ENTITY WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO CAP IT AS A WHOLE. YEAH I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. LIKE I THINK AT SOME POINT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN AMOUNT ALONG WITH THIS. ILA. WELL, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I KEEP HEARING WE DON'T HAVE AN AMOUNT. WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT BASED ON INTAKE FROM A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT DID TAKE AN ELEMENT OF THIS SERVICE AREA.

AS WE BUILT THE AS WE BUILT THE PARTNERSHIP THAT IS BASED OFF OF A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A BUILDING ON THE LOW END OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE HIGH END OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS FOR THIS SERVICE AREA. THAT'S 14 MILLION ON THE LOW END FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND 24 MILLION ON THE HIGH END FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT KYLE'S PORTION OF THAT IS 4.5 MILLION ON THE LOW END FOR THE BUILDING, AND 8 MILLION ON THE HIGH END FOR THE BUILDING. THAT'S UNDER 10 MILLION FOR THAT. PUT IT IN HERE. AND THAT IS BASED. WELL, THAT'S THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION. BUT I JUST I KEEP HEARING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. WE DON'T HAVE.

YEAH. YOU'RE SAYING ANYWHERE BETWEEN FOUR. AND WE DO HAVE NUMBERS BASED ON THE INTAKE AND FORECASTING. OKAY. I THINK I ALSO JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS JUST LIKE THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS COME BACK MANY, MANY TIMES BACK TO THE DAIS. AND WE'LL BE HEAVILY INCLUDED. SO THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT TAKE PLACE AFTER WE DO THIS. THIS IS JUST SAYING, HEY, WE AGREE TO DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND I THINK IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE ALSO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IT WILL JUST BE MORE EXPENSIVE. IF THE CITY OF KYLE WERE TO DO THIS BY OURSELVES. THIS IS JUST SUCH A GREAT DEAL FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE ONLY STEP IN THE PROCESS. I BELIEVE WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE ON THIS. GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT ITEM NUMBER 14 AND APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN KYLE HAYS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF BUDA FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE CITY OF KYLE ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT IS A MOTION BY HARRIS AND SECOND BY. WAS THAT TOBIAS? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. I'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE. MCKINNEY. YES. GOSA. YES. HARRIS. YES. FLORES. KALE. NO.

MEDINA. YES. ZAPATA. YES. TOBIAS. YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES 6 TO 1. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT, WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM 15. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DESIGN CONTRACT WITH JACKSON AND RYAN ARCHITECTS, INC. FOR THE CITY OF KYLE ANIMAL CARE FACILITY IN THE AMOUNT OF $1.66 MILLION. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH AND QUESTIONS. IT RIGHTFULLY SO.

IT'S A LARGE AGREEMENT. IT'S A IT'S A BIG PROJECT. IT'S CRITICAL NEED FOR THIS AREA. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF COUNCIL'S TIME AND THE EFFORT THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO IT OVER A YEAR OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO IT. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AFTER THAT ITEM, WE NOW HAVE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DESIGN CONTRACT WITH JACKSON AND RYAN ARCHITECTS FOR ANIMAL CARE FACILITY. THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE WHAT YOU JUST HEARD. BUT JUST IN CASE SOMEONE'S WATCHING THIS LATER AND THEY CLICK ON JUST THIS LINK, I'LL RUN THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY.

SAN MARCOS REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER IS RELEASING ITS INTERLOCAL PARTNERS BY 2026.

THE CITY OF KYLE, AFTER REALIZING THAT, STARTED A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT INCLUDED THREE PHASES. AND ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, THE THE OUR PARTNERS THAT WE STARTED TO TALK TO HAYS COUNTY AND BUDA, THEY APPROVED MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING IN AUGUST AND OCTOBER, RESPECTIVELY. AND NOW WE HAVE ALL THREE ENTITIES HAVE

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APPROVED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT STRUCTURES THOSE MOUS WITH SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.

AND THE NEXT MAJOR MILESTONE, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING, IS A FULL DESIGN PHASE FOR THIS BUILDING. IT CONVERTS THE FEASIBILITY STUDY INTO FULL ARCHITECTURAL, CIVIL, CIVIL, STRUCTURAL, MECHANICAL AND SITE DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS REQUIRED TO PREPARE THE PROJECT FOR FULL CONSTRUCTION IN 2627. I HAVE KIM HANSEN WITH JACKSON AND RYAN WITH US. THEY HAVE BEEN A TREMENDOUS PARTNER IN ALL OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE. WE THEY HAVE ALSO BUILT. I TALKED TO SEVERAL PARTNERS ABOUT THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY MODEL AND THAT ISLA, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE JUST APPROVED. HOWEVER, JACKSON RYAN DID BUILD THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY BUILDING. THAT'S A TREMENDOUS BUILDING AND A BEACON FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS AREA. WE HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THEM, AND I WILL LET KIM TAKE OVER AND RUN YOU GUYS THROUGH THE, THE DESIGN PROCESS. AND AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE AT THE END. THANKS, JESSE. AS HE SAID, I'M KIM JACKSON AND RYAN ARCHITECTS AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AT THIS POINT. I HAVE STOOD IN THIS SPOT SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN JUST AMAZED BY THE THE SPEED, THE MOVEMENT, THE AGILITY AND THE DRIVE THAT IS COMING FROM THE CITY OF KYLE. YOU'RE ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT IS IMMINENT. IT'S A BIG CHALLENGE, AND YOU'VE PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO RESOLVING THAT, AND IT'S BEEN A DELIGHT TO WORK WITH YOU IN THAT PROCESS. AS WE SAID, WE DID THAT COMPREHENSIVE FEASIBILITY STUDY LOOKING AT THE CITY OF KYLE'S NEEDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE NEW FACILITY. AND IN THAT DURING THAT PROCESS, DURING THAT TIME, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY AND BUDA OCCURRED. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO INTEGRATE SOME INFORMATION DURING THAT TIME.

BUT IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, TO REALLY LOOK ABOUT WHAT THE CITY OF KYLE WOULD BE NEEDING, WE COMPLETED THAT PROCESS. ALSO, THE TIMELINE OF OF SAN MARCOS REGIONALS RETRACTION OF THE AGREEMENT WAS ALSO PART OF THAT PROCESS AS TO WHY WE WERE MOVING SO QUICKLY. SO WHEN WE START THIS NEW DESIGN PHASE, THE INITIAL MONTH WOULD BE A PROGRAM CONFIRMATION PERIOD. THIS IS INTENDED TO CONFIRM THE INTAKE REQUIREMENTS, CONFIRM THE CAPACITY REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL AS ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT ARE ARISING DURING THAT TIME. NOW, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IS THE COST OF THIS FACILITY AND THE UNKNOWNS THAT ARE ARISING DURING THAT TIME. THIS IS NOT A RUNAWAY TRAIN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN EXAMINING FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED AS REQUIRED, AS DESIRED, AS NEEDED BY THE CITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH TO BOTH MEET THE NEEDS OF THE ANIMALS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS YOUR BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND REQUIREMENTS THERE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE INITIAL PROCESS, MAKING SURE WE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO MEET THE CITY'S NEEDS, AS WELL AS THE LARGER TARGETED COUNTY POPULATIONS. AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, PUBLIC INPUT PERIODS THAT WE NEED TO INCORPORATE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL VOICES ARE BEING HEARD. SO THAT WOULD BE THE INITIAL PHASE.

AGAIN, AS JESSE SAID, WE EXPECT TO BE PRESENTING THESE PROCESSES, THESE FINDINGS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL IS IS WELL INTEGRATED INTO THIS PROCESS SO THAT IT IS NOT A SURPRISE. BUT THAT FIRST LITTLE KICKOFF GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MOVE INTO A RIGHT SIZED FACILITY THAT MEETS THESE NEEDS. THE NEXT APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS WOULD BE SCHEMATIC DESIGN, AND THAT IS WHEN WE KICK OFF WITH THE FULL ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING TEAM.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE COORDINATING WITH THE CITY LED CIVIL TEAM DURING THAT TIME OVER THE SITE. OTHER SITE ELEMENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THAT SPACE. WE WOULD THEN MOVE INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS WHEN WE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN HIGHER LEVELS OF DETAIL. THIS IS WHERE THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE FACILITIES REALLY STARTS TO GET PARSED OUT. THEY ARE EXTREMELY COMPLEX WITH BUILDING SYSTEMS, WITH FINISHES, DURABILITY REQUIREMENTS. OUR GOAL HERE IS TO PROVIDE YOU A BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO LAST FOR DECADES, NOT A FACILITY THAT AS SOON AS YOU OPEN IT BECOMES OBSOLETE OR CRUMBLES OR FALLS APART, WHICH WE SEE FREQUENTLY IN THE ANIMAL WELFARE INDUSTRY. THESE FACILITIES TAKE A BEATING.

THEY'RE CLEANED FREQUENTLY, THEY'RE VERY WET. THE ANIMALS INSIDE ARE OFTEN STRESSED.

ALTHOUGH WE ARE REDUCING STRESS, STRESS BEHAVIOR FROM A DOG IN A SPACE CAN BE REALLY DESTRUCTIVE FOR THE MATERIAL. SO WE HAVE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT CAN REALLY STAND THE TEST OF TIME.

AND SO DURING THIS PROCESS, WE'LL BE INTEGRATING INCREASED DETAIL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS COORDINATION WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND THE CITY LED CIVIL TEAM. AND THEN WE MOVE INTO

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CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. AND AS JESSE SAID, THE END RESULT OF THIS DESIGN PERIOD IS A FULL SET OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND SPECIFICATIONS THAT CAN BE BID. AND BRINGING THAT SET THROUGH PERMIT SO THAT IT IS READY TO BE BID ON AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. AGAIN, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL, MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND ANY CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING AS IT DEVELOPS. BUT WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS. THE CITY OF KYLE HAS PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS SO FAR, AND WE ARE STARTING FROM A VERY STRONG POINT, AND I FEEL THAT WITH A WITH A PROGRAM CONFIRMATION PERIOD UP FRONT, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO TARGET A RIGHT SIZED FACILITY, PERMITTING AND BIDDING. THIS IS A, A AN ESTIMATE HERE, BUT WE ESTIMATE A COUPLE, 2 TO 4 MONTHS FOR THIS PROCESS, AND WE'LL BE SUPPORTING IT THROUGHOUT, MAKING SURE THAT ANY IF THIS BIDDING PROCESS IS OCCURRING, THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS AND ENSURE THAT THE COST ESTIMATION THAT THE COST ESTIMATION ALIGNS WITH THE INITIAL BUDGET THAT WE HAVE AGREED UPON. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO SHOW BEFORE WE GET TO THE COUNCIL ACTION, THE COST BREAKDOWN BASED ON THE ILA THAT WAS JUST APPROVED. SO OUT OF THAT 1.66 MILLION, CITY OF KYLE WILL PAY 542,820. YOU CAN SEE CITY OF BUDA PORTION THERE AND HAYS COUNTY PORTION THERE. SO AGAIN, RIGHT OFF THE BAT WITH THE DESIGN, WE WE'RE BENEFITING FROM THAT BREAKDOWN. SO THE OPTION TONIGHT FOR COUNCIL ARE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED, APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS OR DENIAL OF THE RESOLUTION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER, MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MAP ON THE PROGRAM ON NUMBER FOUR? THIS ONE, YOU GOT TO MOVE THAT BARN, I KNOW. YES, I'VE LIVED ON A RANCH, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE MANGE ANIMALS THAT ARE GOING TO SMELL THAT PLACE UP. AND YOU GOT A FAMILY THAT JUST BUILT A BRAND NEW HOUSE RIGHT THERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT IN THEIR FRONT YARD. WE WILL DEFINITELY MOVE THAT. GOT TO GET WITH THOSE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU PUT ANYTHING LIKE THAT THERE, BECAUSE I CAN IMAGINE THE SMELL IS GOING TO CAUSE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG. WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM CONFIRMATION, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE MET THE NEEDS OF THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE BROADER COMMUNITY. FOR SURE, IT IS HARD. QUESTION. OKAY, GREAT. JUST TO CLARIFY THE BARN ISSUE, THIS IS A TEMPORARY HOLD FOR LARGE ANIMALS. YES, THIS IS CORRECT. CORRECT. A PERMANENT ADOPTION FACILITY FOR LARGE ANIMALS. BRIANNA GETTYS, ANIMAL CONTROL SUPERVISOR. YES, LIVESTOCK IS TECHNICALLY THE COUNTY'S ISSUE. WE WILL VERY MINIMALLY BE HOLDING ANYTHING IN THAT FACILITY. THEY HAVE A WRANGLER, BUT THIS WOULD BE YOUR SMALLER, MAINLY YOUR CHICKENS AND YOUR GOATS. BUT TECHNICALLY THE GOATS GO TO THE COUNTY ANYWAY. ALL THAT IS UNDER STATE STATUTE, THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE. YEAH, THERE'S AN OCCASIONAL COW THAT WE SEE, AN OCCASIONAL HORSE THAT GETS OUT. TYPICALLY THE WRANGLER COMES OUT DIRECTLY, BUT THIS WAS AN INTERMEDIATE JUST IN CASE, BECAUSE WE WERE DOING THE FACILITY BECAUSE SAN MARCOS HAS ZERO FACILITY FOR THAT. YEAH. I WOULD JUST SAY RIGHT NOW WE HANDLE THAT UNDER CONTRACT. MOST OF THOSE ANIMALS GO TO THE DRIPPING SPRINGS RANCH PARK.

THE ONES THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AGAIN, UNDER STATUTE WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY.

BUT THE ONES THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, IT'S NOT THE THE LARGE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE 20 CATTLE THAT GET OUT. YOU HAVE TO GET A WRANGLER TO GO GET THEM. TYPICALLY, IN THE MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU HAVE, THE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE IN THOSE LARGE SCENARIOS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LARGE CHUNKS OF LAND THAT THE CITY HAS THAT IS NOW INCLUDED IN THE CITY THAT HAVE HAD COWS RUNNING ON THEM FOR YEARS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WE GENERALLY HAVE HAD CONTROL OF THOSE ISSUES. THE ONES THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT. AGAIN, I BELIEVE THEY WOULD STILL GO TO THE COUNTY AS WELL, IS THOSE ARE THOSE INCIDENTS WHERE YOU'VE HAD A AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE, ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME ANIMAL NEGLECT ISSUES, WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE ONE HORSE BEHIND THEIR HOUSE AND THEY HAVEN'T FED IT FOR THREE WEEKS, AND SOMEBODY HAS TO COME IN AND TAKE THAT ANIMAL, THAT INDIVIDUAL ANIMAL. AND SO YOU DON'T SEE LARGE NUMBERS LIKE THAT. YOU DON'T SEE 20 CATTLE OR OR 15 HORSES. YOU SEE ONE ANIMAL, TWO ANIMALS, AND THEN THOSE ARE TAKEN TO A DIFFERENT FACILITY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? IF NOT I JUST WANT I JUST WANT TO ASK AND I WANT TO

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MAKE CLEAR I UNDERSTAND THAT KYLE'S PART OF THIS IS $542,000. HOW DO WE HOW DOES THIS PAYMENT GO? SO WE DOES THE CITY OF KYLE PAY THE $1.6 MILLION, AND THEN WE GET PAID BACK UNDER THE ISLA.

ONCE THIS CONTRACT IS APPROVED, THE COUNTY AND BUDA ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE US EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE PUT ASIDE THE MONEY TO PAY THEIR SHARE. AND THEN AS WE GET INVOICES, WE DRAW DOWN AND HAVE THEM PAY THEIR SHARE. SO THEY'LL PAY US OR YES, AND THEN WE'LL PAY THEM.

OKAY. SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE THE CITY OF KYLE IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT. AND THEN AS IT GETS PAID DOWN, THEY'LL PAY THEIR PORTION. RIGHT. THEY'LL PAY THEIR SHARE ALONG THE WAY. YES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY MOTIONS, MAYOR LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, PLEASE. SECOND, WE GOT A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS. THE SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OPPOSED. DONE. IT'S 6 TO 1. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND THIS IS WILL NOT BE JUST A DESIGN. WE WILL HAVE PLENTY THIS YEAR COMING FORWARD WHEN IT COMES TO PROGRAMING POLICY, BUILDING OUT THE FOUNDATION OF THIS DEPARTMENT. SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY MORE COMING BEFORE YOU AS IT RELATES TO ANIMAL SERVICES. SO THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO CONSENT.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN KNOCK THOSE OUT PRETTY QUICK. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS THAT THEY WANT TO PULL I JUST WANT TO PULL AGENDA ITEM SEVEN SEVEN. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE. EIGHT EIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEMS FOUR THROUGH SIX.

AND THEN NUMBER NINE SECOND SECOND. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.

[7) Consider approval of a resolution approving a public safety alternate response team for mental health grant in the amount of $133,300.00 between the City of Kyle and the Ci-Byrne State Crisis Intervention Program; authorizing the city manager to execute the agreement; and declaring an effective date.]

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, WHICH WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SABATA. SO THE REASON WHY I HAD THIS PULLED IS ONE I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, LIKE THE FANTASTIC WORK BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY RECOGNIZING THIS MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM. I THINK IT'S PHENOMENAL. AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN ALSO GET GRANT FUNDING FOR IT IS EVEN BETTER. AND SO I THINK ONE THING THAT I WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN DO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS COMMUNITY REALLY, REALLY CARES ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND INTERACTIONS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INDIVIDUALS IN CRISIS. IF WE COULD JUST HAVE SOME, LIKE SEMIANNUAL REPORTING ON THIS, THAT JUST ALIGNS WITH LIKE THE GRANT PURPOSE AND THAT WOULD BE IT.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S ALL. MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD JEFF BARNETT CHIEF OF POLICE AND COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND ACHIEVEMENTS AND THE HARD WORK THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN DO THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO OUR TO THAT UNIT. SO YES, MA'AM. YES, DEFINITELY. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING THIS. IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SEVEN. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING A PUBLIC SAFETY ALTERNATE RESPONSE TEAM FOR MENTAL HEALTH GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $133,000 BETWEEN THE CITY OF KYLE AND CYBER AND STATE CRISIS INTERVENTION PROGRAM, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND DECLARING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ALL

[8) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing the City Manager to negotiate a contract with Alan Plummer and Associates, Inc. dba Plummer Associates, Inc. to provide construction inspection and oversight services for the Wastewater Treatment Plant Phase 2 Expansion project.]

RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM PASSES SEVEN ZERO. UP NEXT, WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH ALLEN, PLUMMER AND ASSOCIATES, INC. DBA PLUMMER ASSOCIATES COMPANY, INC. TO PROVIDE CONSTRUCTION, INSPECTION AND OVERSIGHT SERVICES FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PHASE TWO EXPANSION PROJECT THAT WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA. I'M NOT SABATO, GOSA. DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO A PRESENTATION? YES. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU COULD DO THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE. OKAY.

GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MIKE MURPHY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES. SO THIS PROJECT IS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND INSPECTION PHASE SERVICES FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PHASE TWO. AND THIS INCLUDES THE EARLY WORK PACKAGE AND THE FINAL WORK PACKAGE. SO. THE PROJECT OVERVIEW SUPPORT THE SUCCESSFUL EXECUTION OF THIS EXPANSION PROJECT. THE SELECTED FIRM WILL PROVIDE CONSTRUCTION, INSPECTION AND OVERSIGHT SERVICES FOR BOTH PACKAGES, ENSURING CONSISTENCY, ACTING AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY, THESE PROFESSIONALS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT ALL WORK IS PERFORMED IN STRICT ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PROJECT PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS. IT IS A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT THAT THE

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FIRM PROVIDE THESE TYPES OF SERVICES BE SELECTED SOLELY BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO APPROVE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH ALLEN PLUMMER ASSOCIATES FOR CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES AND INSPECTION SERVICES. OPTIONS ARE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT. OPTION TWO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION WITH POSSIBLE REVISIONS, OR OPTION THREE DO NOT APPROVE THE RESOLUTIONS. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING OPTION NUMBER ONE.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER, YOU HAD QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THIS SERVICE IS GOING TO COST US? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEGOTIATE. SO RIGHT NOW PROBABLY SOME YOU KNOW IF I JUST GAVE YOU A BROAD RANGE, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 800 AND 1.5 MILLION, 800,000, 1.5 MILLION. OKAY. SO I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE THAT CAN GO OUT ON THE SITE AND VERIFY THAT THE PLANS ARE BEING BUILT ACCORDINGLY. AND THEN I HAD A RESIDENT ASK ME IF WE ARE PLANNING ON ACCELERATING THE HIRING OF A. FULL TIME EMPLOYEE CIP PROJECT MANAGER IN ORDER TO MANAGE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. YEAH, SO THIS PROJECT IS SUCH A MASSIVE PROJECT. NOT ONE PERSON HAS HAS THE QUALIFICATIONS TO DO THE ENTIRE PROJECT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A FIRM THAT WILL DO THIS PROJECT THAT HAS THE QUALIFICATIONS WITHIN THEIR FIRM. AND THAT'S WHAT. SO WE'RE HIRING ALAN PLUMMER AND ASSOCIATES, NOT ONE PERSON. AND SO THE MULTITUDE OF PROJECTS, I CAN JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A LIST OF THE EXPERTISE THAT A PERSON OR A FIRM WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO DO THIS PROJECT. AND IT INCLUDES VERTICAL AND FLAT CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION, CLARIFIER INSTALLATION AND CONSTRUCTION, PUMPING, TREATMENT, SLUDGE REMOVAL, ELECTRICAL AERATION, BASINS, CONSTRUCTION, PIPE CONSTRUCTION, DIGESTER, ANAEROBIC DIGESTER CONSTRUCTION, TERTIARY FILTRATION SYSTEMS. THESE ARE MANY DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES THAT NOT ONE PERSON WILL POSSESS, SO IT WILL TAKE AN ENTIRE FIRM TO TO MANAGE THIS PROJECT. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE EXPECT TO BE WORKING ON THIS AND HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK WILL THEY BE DEDICATED OR DAYS VISITS, ETC. YES. SO THE INSPECTOR WILL BE ON SITE THE ENTIRE TIME THE CONTRACTOR IS ON SITE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST 40 50 HOURS A WEEK. SO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ALAN PLUMMER AND ASSOCIATES PUT TOWARDS THIS PROJECT, THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THEM AND TO MANAGE THE PROJECT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DICTATE HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE ON THE PROJECT. OKAY. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. NOW, WHEN YOU SAY YOU MANAGE IT, THEY JUST WATCH THE PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE WORK DONE. NO, NOT EVEN CLOSE. OKAY. WELL, I ASKED THAT BECAUSE WE HAD ON THE LAST AGENDA, WE HAD WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SOMEBODY THAT WAS GOING TO COME AND INSPECT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS BEING DONE ON THIS VERTICAL BUILD. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON THAT WE HIRE, THIS COMPANY THAT WE'RE HIRING IS GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY TO COME AND ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING BUILT TO SPEC. ARE THEY INSPECTORS AS WELL? SO WE'RE NOT HIRING A PERSON. WE'RE HIRING THE FIRM.

OKAY. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE, I JUST READ YOU, THOSE ARE PROBABLY TEN DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE EXPERTISE IN. AND IT'S NOT ONE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. WELL, IF I COULD I MEAN, I THINK THE POINT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS, MAYOR, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE OF AGENDAS ON THIS, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE PAID FOR IN OUR BIDS, THAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GETTING DONE. IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT, AS MIKE SAID, WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES. SO THIS IS THE THE POINT OF THIS IS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE FACILITY THAT WE ENGINEERED, AND WE'RE GETTING EVERYTHING BUILT THAT WE PAID FOR. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT RECENTLY. I THINK IS THE NAME OF THE FIRM THAT WAS HIRED TO BE AN OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT THE SAME WAY. SO IT'S A SIMILAR SERVICE. IT'S JUST A MUCH MORE TECHNICAL PROJECT WITH A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, POTENTIALLY UP TO 150 TO $200 MILLION ON AN OVERALL FACILITY OVER TWO YEARS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THAT INCLUDED. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF IT. AND JUST TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME CONFUSION ON THAT. THIS IS A BASICALLY A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS THAT WENT OUT.

WE'RE NOW TRYING TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THAT SELECTED FIRM. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE ACTUAL COST. AND YOU'LL YOU'LL BE ASKED TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT WITH ALL THOSE DETAILS. THAT WILL BE LATER. SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF A TWO PHASE PROCUREMENT

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PROCESS THAT YOU'LL SEE. HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THAT MIKE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THAT, BUT THERE'S MORE OF THESE COMING. AS WE HAVE THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE WOULD EXPECT MOST OF THESE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT ON THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT. AND TO COUNCILMEMBER GHOSE'S POINT, IF WE DO SEE A RECURRING NATURE OF THINGS LOOKING OUT, THAT WE THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A SKILL SET THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. CERTAINLY WE WOULD LOOK AT AN IN-HOUSE POSITION, BUT THIS IS SUCH A SPECIFIC ISSUE. WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT ANY ONE PERSON COULD DO IT. AND IT'S ONCE IT'S DONE, IT'S DONE. OKAY. WELL, I REMEMBER WHEN WE HIRED YVONNE WITH THE FIRST WASTEWATER TREATMENT EXPANSION AND SHE DID REALLY WELL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE. SO WE CONTRACT OUT A LOT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A STAFF THAT'S KIND OF ASSIGNED TO THEM. SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BIG DELAY IN GETTING ANSWERS. YES, MA'AM. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

SO YVONNE IS STILL ON THE PROJECT, AND SHE'S GOING TO STAY ON THE PROJECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE END OF IT. SO THE CITY DOES PROVIDE MANAGEMENT LEVEL SERVICES PROJECT MANAGER, BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS A PROJECT INSPECTOR. THE PROJECT MANAGER IS SORT OF THE LIAISON BETWEEN THE CONTRACTOR AND THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT DID THE DESIGN WORK. AND THE INSPECTOR WILL WORK FOR YVONNE, BASICALLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM EIGHT SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY ME AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.

[13) Consider approval of a resolution authorizing the City Manager to negotiate a contract with Romtec, Inc. for the purchase and installation of a restroom building for Mary Kyle Hartson Park in the amount of $899,759 via the BuyBoard cooperative purchasing program.]

AGENDA ITEM EIGHT PASSES. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT. IS AGENDA ITEM 13. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH RAMTEK, INC. FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF RESTROOM BUILDING FOR MARY HARTMAN PARK AND THE AMOUNT OF 899,759 VIA THE BY BOARD COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM. ITEM PRESENTER DAVID LOPEZ.

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. WE HAVE THE WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE BACKGROUND AND I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE HISTORY. SINCE SOME OF YOU WEREN'T PRESENT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THOSE VARIOUS ITERATIONS. THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE PROJECT DETAILS. WE'LL TALK SCOPE AND TIMELINE AS WELL AS THE PURCHASING DETAILS, AND THEN TAKE OPTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FROM THIS BODY. SO THIS CONTRACT WAS WITH PARK HILL. THERE ARE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AND REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE DESIGN OF THE RESTROOMS. THIS WAS EXECUTED IN MAY OF 2025. THE GROUP WAS PULLED FROM THE ROTATION LIST AND AUTHORIZED BY CITY COUNCIL VIA CONTRACT. THE PROJECT WAS ALSO PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THE FIVE YEAR CIP APPROVAL. FOR FY 20 2526. THERE WAS A LOT OF MEETINGS CONDUCTED, AND I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE DETAILS AND FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES. BUT WE HAD A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE. ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, WE WENT THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, WHICH I'LL CALL THC FOR SHORTHAND. MOVING, MOVING FORWARD IN AUGUST 19TH, THEN SEPTEMBER 16TH. WE ALSO MET WITH HAYS COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, AND THEN WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD IN OCTOBER, CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER. AND THEN WE'VE HAD CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THC, JUST WITH THE FOLLOW UP AND BRINGING EVERYTHING HOME.

SO A FEW PROJECT DETAILS ON THE SITE. HERE'S THE LOCATION ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER IN THE IN THE FIRST AERIAL. THE SECOND KIND OF ZOOMS IN AND SHOWS SOME LANDSCAPING DETAILS.

SOME THINGS THAT I GUESS ARE IMPORTANT TO NOTE ARE THE VARIOUS ITERATIONS THAT THIS UNDERWENT. WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH A TWO WATER CLOSET OR A TWO HOLE PER TWO ROOM SYSTEM.

WE'VE HAD REQUESTS FROM PARKS BOARD AND AS WELL AS FROM PUBLIC INPUT ON MAKING THREE STALLS, THREE WATER CLOSETS. ALSO, THE TEXAS I'M SORRY. THE HAYS COUNTY STORE COMMISSION ASKED US TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACING, AND SO WE ADDED SOME LANDSCAPE, AS YOU SEE HERE WITH THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE. AND THERE'S SOME MORE LANDSCAPING. SO THAT USED TO BE A CONCRETE FOOTPRINT. HAYS COUNTY COMMISSION ALSO ASKED US TO MAYBE REORIENT THE BUILDING.

INITIALLY IT WAS RUNNING PARALLEL WITH THE SIDEWALK. AND SO WE'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO CREATE MORE ADA SPACE IN THE AREAS AND ALSO ROOM FOR FOR STROLLERS. THERE'S A PLAYGROUND NEARBY AS WELL AS THE GAZEBO. THESE ARE THE MOST HIGH USE AMENITIES AT THE SITE. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. SO SOME FEEDBACK. HERE'S THE ELEVATION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY PARKS BOARD AND AS WELL AS BY CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS A THIS IS SORT OF AN HOMAGE TO THE BUILDING. AND SO INITIALLY THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, HAD BEEN. REJECTED AND REALLOCATED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET HISTORIC COMPLIANCE. AND SO THE

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ARCHITECT HAS WORKED REALLY HARD TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO WORK WITH A RESTROOM COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY DOES FINISHES MOST OF THESE PUBLIC RESTROOM COMPANIES, LIKE, WELL, I WON'T SAY THE NAMES, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BOILERPLATE COOKIE CUTTER. AND THEY'RE VERY FEW OF THESE THAT ACTUALLY DO CUSTOMIZATIONS. WORKING WITH ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS. RAMTEK DOES DO THIS. AND SO YOU SEE THE LAYOUT OF THE RESTROOMS, YOU SEE THE AMPLE ADA ACCESS.

WE THOUGHT IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE. AND THIS IS ALSO THE FEEDBACK WE GOT TO PROVIDE THE BARE MINIMUM ADA. BUT WE WANTED TO OPTIMIZE ADA ACCESSIBILITY AND FUNCTIONALITY.

THIS WOULD INCLUDE CHANGING STATIONS IN EACH OF THE ROOMS AS WELL. YOU SEE ALSO THERE'S A DRINKING FOUNTAIN. THESE FINISHES ARE WHAT DROVE THE PRICE UP. WE INITIALLY HAD AN ELEVATION BECAUSE WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSION THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO A QUOTE UNQUOTE CARBON COPY, ALTHOUGH THAT WASN'T A CONSENSUS FROM THE BODY. WHEN WE SHOWED THE MORE SIMPLIFIED ELEVATION AND THE ONE BEFORE YOU THAT I'M SHOWING ON THE SCREEN, WE'VE GOT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE PARKS BOARD ON THIS. SOME MEMBERS OF HAYS COUNTY COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AS WELL. AND HERE YOU SEE ANOTHER VIEW OF THE ELEVATIONS. THERE'S IT'S NOT A CLIMATE CONTROLLED BUILDING, BUT THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF R FACTOR THAT WAS BUILT IN, AS WELL AS AS VENTILATION AND PROTECTION FOR THE PIPES WITHIN THE CHASE. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INSULATION. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DETAILS ON THE FINISHES AS WELL. ALSO, I FAILED TO MENTION THAT THE HAYS COUNTY COMMISSION, AS WELL AS PARK BOARD, WANTED US TO KEEP THIS OUT OF THE DRIP LINE. AND SO WE WORKED HARD TO FIND A GOOD AREA SO WE WOULDN'T AFFECT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE LIVE OAKS ON THE SITE. SO THIS IS THE CONTRACT SCOPE AND TIMELINE. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A TURNKEY PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DO ALL THE FLAT WORK AND ALL THE PLUMBING AND THE IN ALL THE CMU INSTALLATION, ALL THE FINISHES, THE THE METAL ROOF IS STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME WORK DONE IN-HOUSE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT. INTERNAL STAFF WILL BE DOING SOME FINE GRADING. WE WE KNOW THIS IS REALLY EXPENSIVE AND SO WE TRIED OUR BEST TO CONTROL COSTS WHERE APPROPRIATE. SO DOING FINE GRADING AND ALSO SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING INSTALLATION FROM OUR NATIVE LANDSCAPING TEAM, THE PROCUREMENT STRATEGY.

OH TIMELINE I'M SORRY. SO WE'RE IN THIS WE'RE IN JANUARY NOW. AND SO IF COUNCIL AUTHORIZE A CONTRACT FOR FOR THIS FOR THIS BUILDING, WE WOULD MOVE IMMEDIATELY INTO DESIGN. RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY AT 50% DESIGN. AND THAT'S AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTS COULD GO. YOU KNOW, BEFORE BRINGING ON THE RESTROOM MANUFACTURER AND CONSTRUCTION GROUP. AND SO COLLABORATIVELY, THEY'RE GOING TO BRING THIS TO 100% PLANS. WE CANNOT SUBMIT PLANS OR WE CANNOT GET A PERMIT FROM THE THC UNTIL WE HAVE 100% PLAN SET. BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THC THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO GAIN ASSURANCES, EVEN ON BOTH ELEVATIONS, THAT WE HAD PRESENTED, THAT THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. AND IT WAS HISTORICALLY AND ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE. AND SO WE WOULD WORK THROUGHOUT SPRING AND SUMMER TO FINALIZE THOSE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, AS WELL AS GET SOME, YOU KNOW, DO SOME ORDERING FOR SOME LEAD TIMES AND ANY CUT SHEET SUBMITTALS THAT WE NEEDED TO SO THAT WE CAN FINISH THIS BY THE FALL OF 2026 BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR HOLIDAY INSTALLATION PERIOD. AGAIN, THIS IS A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACT BY BY BOARD, WHICH MEETS ALL BIDDING REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO PROVIDES DISCOUNT FOR FOR THESE UNITS. AND SO THE OPTION FOR US TO CONSIDER APPROVAL, THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH RAMTEK, INC. FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF THE RESTROOM BUILDING FOR MARY HARTMAN PARK IN THE AMOUNT OF $899,759 VIA THE BY BOARD COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM. AND AT THIS TIME, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER MCKINNEY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHY WHY WOULD WE NEED THIS THIS RESTROOM? WHY DON'T WE JUST USE THE ONES IN THE BUILDING? WOULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT, PLEASE? YES, SIR. SO RIGHT NOW, THE CREW BUILDING IT THERE, IT'S ONLY OPEN DURING PROGRAMING HOURS TO MAKE IT A RESTROOM. AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE THROUGHOUT ALL HOURS PARK HOURS, WHICH IS FROM 5 A.M. TO 11 P.M. YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO LEAVE THOSE DOORS UNLOCKED, AND IT'S JUST NOT A HARDENED SPACE. THESE ARE THESE RESTROOMS ARE BUILT TO INDUSTRIAL GRADE. THEY'RE BUILT TO WITHSTAND ARSON, HEAVY VANDALISM. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. COOL SPRINGS, RESTROOMS WITH DESIGN. AND IT WASN'T AS INDUSTRIALIZED AS AS THESE UNITS AND AS THEY SHOULD BE. AND SO WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH THE CITY, THOSE RESTROOMS WERE LOCKED. AND WHEN I ASKED STAFF WHY, THEY SAID, WELL, EVERY TIME WE OPENED THEM, YOU KNOW, KIDS, THEY JUMP ON THE SINKS OR THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL MESS WITH THE TOILETS AND THEY, THEY WE HAVE TO CLOSE THEM DOWN. AND IT'S IT'S VERY COSTLY AND THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS THAT GOES INTO THAT. AND WE JUST CAN'T KEEP THEM OPEN. AND SO THE SOLUTION AT THAT TIME, NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO, WAS JUST TO

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LOCK THEM. IT COST US SOME, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF FUNDING TO RETROFIT THOSE TO GET INDUSTRIALIZED PARTS. BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LIKELY WE SHOULD HAVE DONE UP FRONT.

AND THEN THEY COULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PATRONS YEAR ROUND AS THEY'RE AS THEY'RE MEANT TO BE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A HUGE COST FOR MARY COW HARTSON OR I'M SORRY, FOR THE CREW CENTER. YOU'VE GOT THE FOYER THAT'S NOT HARDENED. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HARDEN THE FLOOR, WHICH PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE THE RESTROOMS THEMSELVES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMPLIANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY THEY'RE NOT REALLY ADA COMPLIANT. IF WE DID A RENOVATION, WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THOSE RESTROOMS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REALLY FUNCTIONAL. I GET COMPLAINTS FROM CASS A LOT THAT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ACCOMPANYING ANOTHER ADULT THAT NEEDS ASSISTANCE TO, TO FUNCTIONALLY USE THOSE RESTROOMS, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE TURNING RADIUS THAT YOU WOULD IN THESE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE FARTHER FROM THE PLAYGROUND AND THE GAZEBO. BUT TO LEAVE THOSE OPEN, YOU'RE I THINK WE WOULD IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THAT HISTORIC BUILDING, AND WE WOULD BE INVITING SOME SERIOUS VANDALISM AND DAMAGES. ALL RIGHT. I WILL SAY, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS, TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME IS THE PRICE. $1 MILLION ALMOST FOR A BATHROOM. AND IF WE APPROVE THAT WITHOUT REAL JUSTIFICATION, IT WE WE ARE RISKING A LOT. AND SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHY THE COST IS SO HIGH? IT'S ALL IN THE CUSTOMIZATION AND THE FINISHES. YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS AGAIN, TO TO TRY TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY SENSITIVE TO THE BUILDING. WE HAD SHOWN SOME THAT WERE THAT WOULD HAVE MET THC STANDARDS. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MORE COMPARABLE TO THE ROOF LINE YOU WOULD SEE AT SOME OF THE OTHER RESTROOMS, BUT THE FACADE WOULD MATCH THE THE KRUGE BUILDING THAT, THAT IT ISN'T AS ATTRACTIVE. IT DOESN'T FEEL AS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BEING AN AWARD WINNING PARK, LONE STAR LEGACY PARK. THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL AND AS WELL AS THE PARKS BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THIS BUILDING JUSTICE AND LET IT BE APPROPRIATE TO THE SITE. AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THE APPROVAL? I KNOW, I KNOW, YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO BE AT 100%. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WHAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WOULD WE HAVE TO SPEND TO GET THE APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE? BECAUSE I'M REALLY HESITANT TO SAY YES WHEN I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THEIR BLESSING YET. SO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO OBTAIN THAT? JUST TO COMPLETE THE PLANS, LET'S TAKE IT FROM 50% TO 100%, WHICH WE WOULD START IF THIS CONTRACT WERE APPROVED. WE WOULD START THAT DESIGN COMPLETION IMMEDIATELY. AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THC. WE HAVE AT LEAST DOCUMENTED, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. WE HAVE DOCUMENTED EMAIL CONFIRMING THAT YES WE ARE. THIS IS IN LINE WITH HISTORIC APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SITE AND WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. WE DO HAVE THAT VIA EMAIL. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DENY IT? THE LIKELIHOOD OF DENIED IS IS SUPER LOW, BEING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AND THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH ELEVATIONS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT THOSE FORWARD IF WE DID NOT HAVE THAT SUPPORT AND ASSURANCE FROM THC, YOU KNOW, TO PARK BOARD OR CITY COUNCIL INITIALLY, IN THE EVENT WE'D REALLY HAVE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY CHANGE THESE DESIGNS FOR THEM TO DENY IT. YOU KNOW, AT THIS MEETING, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN IN TERMS OF, OF DESIGN, THAT WE MIGHT INCUR SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS. SO, YOU KNOW, EITHER WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER ELEVATION AND CONSIDER THAT OR, OR WE WOULD PURSUE THIS ONE TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE. I THINK I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM MANY RESIDENTS WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A BATHROOM, ESPECIALLY BEING THAT IT'S RIGHT NEAR THE PLAYGROUND, SO IT MAKES IT A LOT SAFER FOR FAMILIES AND FOR THE CHILDREN.

THE WATER FOUNTAIN. IT'S ONLY GETTING MUCH MORE HOT, SO HAVING THAT FOR OUR KIDS IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIAL. AND I THINK WE ARE ALSO BUILDING FOR THE DOWNTOWN THAT WE AIM TO HAVE. I THINK WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE CAN DO THINGS TO START IMPROVING THAT CULTURE AND THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY. AND I THINK, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. I KNOW THAT PERSONALLY, MYSELF ON ON SOMETIMES THOSE LIKE, I GUESS FANCY PORTA POTTIES THAT WE RENT. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SLIPPERY. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO WALK UP THOSE STEPS INTO THE LITTLE BATHROOM AND I'M LIKE, OH, WOW. LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE ABOUT TO SLIP. SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN JUST IMAGINE THAT SOMEONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE ISN'T ABLE TO ASCEND THOSE STAIRS. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE RENTED LIKE A PORTA POTTY BEFORE THAT IS 88 COMPLIANT. BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE SAME. RIGHT. AND SO I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING EQUAL, ACCESSIBLE OPTIONS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE DIFFERENT ABILITIES. AND I THINK THIS IS ONE WAY TO DO THAT. AND TO SAY, HEY, LIKE YOU'RE NOT A SECOND CLASS HERE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE YOU AND TREAT YOU THE SAME. AND THEN I THINK

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ALSO INTEGRATING ALL OF THIS ADDITIONAL SPACE AND SEATING AND WHATNOT, THAT'S HOW WE START CREATING THAT COMMUNITY. AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO SERVE A REALLY BIG NEED. AND IT'S THE THING THAT'S BUILT TO LAST. SO I, I'M I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS. I WAS PARTY TO THE RESTROOMS WE BUILT BEFORE APPROVING THOSE. AND THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE COST BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THOSE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE DID THE TOTAL INSTALLATION ON ALL OF THOSE. AND THIS INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION. THEY ARE VERY UTILITARIAN. THE FACADE IS DEFINITELY NOT BRICK. THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER AND DON'T HAVE QUITE THE THEY DON'T HAVE THE ADA OR DIAPER CHANGING FACILITIES THAT ARE THIS ADEQUATE. I AGREE THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, IN OUR AWARD WINNING PARK THAT REPRESENTS THAT VISION, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA SAID. I WANT TO ALSO SAY THAT THIS INCLUDES THE PARK AREA AROUND IT. YES, THE CONCRETE, THE TABLES, THE LANDSCAPING. SO IT ISN'T JUST THE COST OF THAT BASIC RESTROOM FACILITY, WHICH WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 250, 275,000, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT ON A TRUCK AND DUMPED AND WE HAD TO DO EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE COST. THE OTHER QUESTION I GET IS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT IT ON ONE OF THE LOTS THAT WE HAVE BOUGHT DOWNTOWN? AND MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS BECAUSE WE WANT THOSE LOTS TO BE RESTAURANTS AND BAKERIES AND, AND BOOKSTORES AND THINGS WITH RETAIL ABILITY THAT GENERATE INCOME AND EXCITEMENT. AND THEY'RE NOT AS CLOSE TO THE PARK EITHER. YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO THEM LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY HALL IF YOU HAD TO USE THE RESTROOMS THERE. AND AT THE CREEK BUILDING. WE CANNOT MAKE THOSE AS ACCESSIBLE AS THEY NEED TO BE. THAT BUILDING IS SIMPLY NOT AVAILABLE FOR THAT. THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION LIMITS WHAT WE CAN DO ON EVEN ON THE INTERIOR. WE REALLY CAN'T DO VERY MUCH. WE CANNOT MAKE THEM ACCESSIBLE TO THE OUTSIDE EXCEPT THROUGH THE BUILDING. SO THAT IS REALLY A PROBLEM. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE EXPENSE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND, AND SAY, YEAH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS. AND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA SAID, I'VE ALSO GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMENTS OF, WE REALLY NEED THESE. GO AHEAD AND GET THIS DONE. YES, COUNCILMEMBER. AND YOU REMIND ME OF SOME, YOU KNOW, TOUGH CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH THE PUBLIC WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE ALTERNATE LOCATION. YOU KNOW, PUBLIC REMINDED US THAT THE KIDS HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET TO ACCESS THAT. AND THAT'S REALLY DANGEROUS. THEY NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PARENTS. ALSO, WE STARTED OUT WITH TWO HOLES AND THEY SAID, WELL, COULD YOU FIT THREE? AND I SAID, WELL, YEAH, WE COULD PROBABLY TECHNICALLY FIT THREE WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT. AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT? YOU SHOULD YOU SHOULD HAVE THREE WATER CLOSETS AND GET THIS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GO AND ADD LATER, WHICH IS GOING TO END UP COSTING THE LONG RUN. YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO TO DEMO AND START OVER. YEAH. AND ONE MORE COMMENT THAT I HEARD THE RESTROOM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED WAS ORIGINALLY TO GO HERE, DID NOT REALLY COMPLY WITH, I MEAN, THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION KIND OF APPROVED IT. BUT THEN WHEN WE STARTED TAKING A LOOK AT DOES THIS REALLY FIT THE AMBIANCE THAT WE WANT IN THIS PARK? IT JUST DIDN'T. AND THE OTHER MAJOR PARK WHERE PEOPLE WERE THERE A LOT WAS THE COMMUNITY GARDEN, AND WE ALREADY HAD IN THE COMMUNITY GARDEN PLANS, A REQUIREMENT FOR RESTROOM THAT HAD NOT YET BEEN BUILT OR DELIVERED. SO REALLOCATING THAT ALL THE COUNCIL KNEW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE WERE ALLOCATING IT TO THAT SITE, WHICH HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO THAT SITE. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO IT DIDN'T LIKE JUST GO AWAY. YOU KNOW, IF WE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OPTION. WE HAD TO TAKE POSSESSION OF THAT OR PAY A PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF RENT TO THE MANUFACTURER TO KEEP IT AT THEIR FACILITY. IT MADE A GREAT DEAL OF SENSE TO TO USE IT WHERE IT WAS MOST NEEDED. SO

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ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS CONCERNS. COUNCIL MEMBER. SO THIS PART THIS RESTROOM IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. IT IS OVER $1,800 A SQUARE FOOT. I WANT TO KNOW THINGS LIKE WITH THE MINI SPLITS, HOW DO WE GUARANTEE THAT THEY WON'T BE VANDALIZED SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN FROM 8 TO 11? AND THEN WHO'S GOING TO BE OPENING AND CLOSING IT? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL STAFF TO DO THAT? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? SO START WITH THE LOCKING. SO ALL OF OUR RESTROOMS NOW HAVE AUTOMATIC LOCKS. AND THEY'RE PROGRAMED IN TIME TO BE OPEN DURING PARK HOURS. AND SO AS SOON AS IT HITS 11 P.M. THEY LOCK UP RIGHT AT 5 A.M. THEY'RE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. WHEN IT COMES TO VANDALISM, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE COULD STOP VANDALISM. VANDALISM. WE HAVE CAMERAS AT MARY HARTMAN PARK, AND SO THAT HELPS CURB THINGS A LITTLE BIT. BUT OUR OUR THE POINT. I GUESS OUR MAIN EMPHASIS WITH THESE RESTROOMS IS THEY'RE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THOSE QUICK HITS OF VANDALISM. STAFF GETS IN. IF THERE'S GRAFFITI, WE ABATE IT WITHIN 24 HOURS SO THAT WE DON'T ENCOURAGE AND INVITE MORE GRAFFITI. WE MAKE IT FEEL SAFE AND INVITING. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN OUR SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE THE STAFFING, RESOURCES, EFFICIENCIES TO CLEAN OUR RESTROOMS AND SERVICE THEM ON A DAILY BASIS. A LOT OF PARK SYSTEMS. I'VE NEVER WORKED FOR A SYSTEM THAT HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. AND AND WE'RE FORTUNATE TO TO HAVE THAT. THE NEXT THING I HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE EXPRESS CONCERN TO ME ABOUT THEIR LOCATION. THEY DO NOT WANT A RESTROOM IN THAT PARK, ESPECIALLY THERE AT THE GAZEBO, WHICH IS A MAIN PHOTO FOCAL POINT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING PHOTOS IN THE GAZEBO AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RESTROOM AND PEOPLE WALKING BY BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO GET TO IT WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE PHOTOS. I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN POINT OF WANTING TO GET THIS RIGHT ARCHITECTURALLY SOUND WITH, YOU KNOW, A NICER FACADE, LIKE LIKE THIS ONE THAT YOU SEE HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR A PARK OF THAT STATURE AND OF THAT STATUS. AGAIN, IT IS A LONE STAR LEGACY PARK, AND IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECEIVE THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK. BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING BACK AND FORTH TRAFFICKING LIKE THE FOOT TRAFFIC TO IT. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT SO IN ADDITION TO THE NICE FACADE, WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND WIDER PATHS.

LET ME GO TO A DIFFERENT RENDERING HERE. YOU'VE GOT WIDER PATHS. AND SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME VISIBILITY SCREENING AND THE TOP OF THE ELEVATION, YOU'VE GOT THAT NICE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. SO WE THINK IT'LL BE, IT'LL ACCENTUATE AND IMPROVE THE PARK WHILE STILL PROVIDING FUNCTIONAL MEANS FOR, FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT. I STILL JUST THINK IT'S SO MUCH MONEY. AND AT A TIME WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE RAISING OUR RATES FOR TAXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE SO IN DEBT TO PAY FOR OUR DEBT, LIKE I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PURCHASE RIGHT NOW. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD LOWER THE ELEVATION, OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO LOWER? BECAUSE I WANT A BATHROOM. I WANT A BATHROOM THERE, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE PARK, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS THE FIRST TIME AROUND, FOR ME, THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN, IS PEOPLE DID NOT WANT IT IN THE PARK. THEY WERE LIKE, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS THINK BURLESON IS A BUSY STREET, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MANY HOMES BEHIND IT. SO THE IDEA WAS ORIGINALLY WHEN WE APPROVED THIS AND A BATHROOM WAS APPROVED AND EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY DONE. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME AROUND. SO I KNOW EVERYBODY'S LIKE, HEY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, BUT I'M LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS MY SECOND GO AROUND AND I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO PUT MY HEAD AROUND THE CHANGES THAT I, THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED. SO I DO THINK WE NEED A BATHROOM IN THIS AREA. I WOULD LIKE THE BATHROOM TO GO ACROSS THE STREET. MY IDEA WOULD BE TO BUILD SOME KIND OF WELCOME CENTER OR TOURIST CENTER TO PUT THIS BATHROOM IN, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EVER BEEN IN IN INSPIRED MINDS IN BUDA, BUT THEY HAVE LIKE A WHOLE SECTION OF LIKE CITY OF BUDA, STUFF THAT YOU CAN BUY, AND THAT WOULD BE LONG TERM. BUT I'M JUST THINKING TO SET IT UP, IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO STICK IT IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT WITHIN THAT PARK. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE WAS ASKING FOR AS, AS WELL. BUT IN THE EVENT, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT AND THEY INSIST ON PUTTING THIS BATHROOM IN THE PARK, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT CHEAPER? THERE'S SOME THINGS WE COULD DO TO CHANGE. I MEAN, REALLY CHANGE THE ELEVATION. THE INITIAL ONE THAT WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET IT 30% CHEAPER THAN THIS ONE. AGAIN, THOSE WERE ROUND NUMBERS WE WERE USING. THAT'S THE BEST WE HAD AT THE TIME UNTIL WE ADVANCED IN DESIGN. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE OPTION. I'M TORN BECAUSE I KNOW WE NEED THIS BATHROOM. I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF MONEY. IT IS A LOT. IT'S ALMOST $1 MILLION. WHERE'S WHERE'S A NATURAL GAS PIPELINE WHEN YOU NEED ONE? RIGHT. WELL, ALL THAT NATURAL GAS PIPELINE MONEY ALREADY WENT TO THIS, TO THIS PARK ONCE. BUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND A GOOD BALANCE.

WE NEED TO WE NEED TO HEAR THE PEOPLE. PEOPLE HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THEY DO NOT WANT TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT $1 MILLION FOR BATHROOMS. IT'S NICE, I GET IT, IT'S NEEDED, I GET IT. I JUST IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY I'M OKAY WITH THIS. AT THE PRICE, AT $1,800 A SQUARE FOOT, THAT'S THAT'S BEYOND EVEN AUSTIN

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PRICES, RIGHT? SO DOES THIS DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? DO THEY.

I'M NOT I MEAN I'M NOT COMFORTABLE. CAN WE BRING IT BACK. CAN WE FIND A MIDDLE GROUND? I'M RELUCTANT TO MOVE IT ACROSS THE STREET JUST BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I COULD LIVE WITH MYSELF IF A KID GOT HIT JUST TRYING TO GO TO THE. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO CENTER POINT. THEY'RE GOING TO THE TO THE BAR. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT. NO, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GOOD THING. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING A BATHROOM IN HERE. BUT MY POINT IS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO LOWER THAT IF OKAY, YOU GUYS SEEM LIKE YOU WANT TO KEEP IT IN THE PARK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO KEEP IT IN THE PARK OVER HERE. BUT IF YOU DO WANT TO KEEP IT IN THE PARK, GREAT. WHAT CAN WE DO TO NOW MAKE THIS CHEAPER? WELL, WE CAN LOOK AT THE OPTION WITH THE DIFFERENT ELEVATION. AND AGAIN, WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER, THERE WILL BE SOME SAVINGS. AND YOU KNOW HOPEFULLY WE CAN STAY ON THE SAME TIMELINE AS WELL. SO WE GET AHEAD OF THE HOLIDAY PROGRAMING. THERE'S BEEN SOME PERCENTAGE OF DESIGN WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO BRING THAT INITIAL ELEVATION. AND IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, IS THAT SOMETHING? WELL, CERTAINLY WE COULD LOOK AT THE ELEVATION. I MEAN THERE'S COSTS THERE. YOU COULD LOOK AT HOW MANY WATER CLOSETS I THINK YOU CALLED THEM, DAVID.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, STALLS THAT YOU'D HAVE IF YOU WANTED TO REDUCE THOSE. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT COST. THAT'S THERE. AS THE AREA DEVELOPS, YOU HAVE MORE AND MORE USAGE AT THE AREA.

I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN THAT WE WOULD HAVE. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND TO YOU, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. IT'S THE ELEVATION. YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO SOME THINGS. I WILL SAY THOUGH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD WITH THE ORIGINAL PREFABRICATED RESTROOM THAT WAS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED HERE IN LATE 23, WAS THE LOOK AND THE FEEL OF THE STRUCTURE THAT PEOPLE JUST DID NOT FEEL LIKE THAT WAS COMMENSURATE WITH THE OVERALL AWARD WINNING PARK THAT DAVID MENTIONED. SO THERE'S A BALANCE HERE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT LINE IS HERE. THIS IS KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER ABOUT THIS ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BACK IN FRONT OF YOU, IS BECAUSE THESE WERE THE DESIGNS THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN DOING. IT'S IT'S CLOSE TO THE COST. WE WERE LOOKING AT AROUND 750 TO $800,000 AT THAT TIME. AND COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. BUT IF THERE'S A NUMBER THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GO OVER THAT IT'S 600,000 OR 500,000 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US THAT CONSTRAINT, WE CAN COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THOSE DOLLARS. BUT MY WHOLE CAREER, I'VE EXPERIENCED THE SAME CONCERNS THAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT IS JUST BATHROOMS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO BY THEMSELVES, AND ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE THESE PARK AND RECREATION FACILITIES BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF HOW THEY GET ABUSED. YOU HEARD ABOUT THE ANIMAL SERVICES OF ANIMALS BEING STRESSED IN A SMALL AREA AND THE KINDS OF DAMAGES THAT ARE DONE. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THAT IN THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT, IS THEY JUST TAKE A LOT OF ABUSE. THEY'RE OPEN. WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. IT'S GETTING LATE FOR MYSELF NOW, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD DO THE MATH, BUT 18 HOURS A DAY AND THERE'S A LOT OF USAGE THAT GOES THROUGH THEM. SO THEY DO TAKE A LOT OF ABUSE. AND YOU'RE YOU'RE HOPEFULLY DESIGNING A FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF DECADES BEFORE HAVING TO NEED TO BE REFURBISHED. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT IS THE COST. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT. COUNCILMEMBER GOES, I KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE, BUT IT'S AGAIN, I'VE SEEN THAT THROUGHOUT MY CAREER OF WHEN YOU BUILD THESE FACILITIES, THESE STANDALONE RESTROOM FACILITIES, THEY JUST GET VERY EXPENSIVE. AND I THINK ALSO THE SOME OF THE SYSTEMS THAT YOU HAVE, THE PLUMBING, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THE PLUMBING IS DIFFERENT. IT'S MORE OF AN INDUSTRIAL GRADE PLUMBING. IT'S NOT LIKE BUILDING A HOUSE RESTROOM THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE COST. AND I THINK THE ARCHITECT, WHEN HE WAS HERE BACK IN NOVEMBER, HE TRIED TO DETAIL SOME OF THOSE COSTS AND DIFFERENCES. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE STICKER SHOCK THAT YOU SEE FOR IT. SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY. IF YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT THAT, WE CAN. IF THERE'S A NUMBER THAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO HIT OR SOME OBJECTIVE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, IF YOU CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD BE AND WHAT TYPES OF CHANGES YOU'D WANT TO MAKE TO THE BUILDING, WE CAN GO BACK AND TRY TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. BUT I DO THINK THIS HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR, AS WE'VE LOOKED AT IT THE LAST SIX YEARS OR SO. SPACE SHUTTLE, SPACE SHUTTLE WAS BUILT FASTER THAN THAT, I THINK. BUT IT'S BEEN A VERY COMPLICATED, DELICATE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE PARK, THE ARCHITECTURE, THE HISTORICAL USE THERE. SO IT'S IT'S JUST THIS FINE BALANCE OF ALL THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER. AND SO IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ADVANCE THAT PROJECT FORWARD. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FINAL PROJECT, WHAT'S THE OLD PHRASE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO YOU CAN ONLY SERVE SO MANY PEOPLE.

SOME OF THE TIME NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE HAPPY. WE JUST NEED TO GET OVER IT. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY, OH, THAT LOOKS UGLY OR THAT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, OR THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, OR I SHOULD'VE WENT CHEAP. SO THIS GOES BACK TO THE CAP QUESTION. ARE WE GOING TO WHERE DOES CAP. ALL SEVEN OF US FEEL? FINALLY WE CAN SAY, WHERE DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ON HOW

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MUCH YOU WANT TO SPEND ON THESE TOILETS? BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT IT IS TOILETS AND SINKS AND WATER FOUNTAINS. WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE CAP THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD TO? WE CAN GIVE THEM A DIRECTION TO SAY, KEEP IT UNDER 300,000, KEEP IT UNDER SIX, KEEP IT UNDER EIGHT. BECAUSE AGAIN, IN THE END, NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HAPPY.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE SAYING, THANK GOD YOU FINALLY GOT THEM OUT THERE. SO WHAT IS IT COUNCIL, THAT WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE TO FINALLY GIVE THEM TO SAY, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, KEEP IT UNDER THIS AMOUNT? I FEEL SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. SO THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. ANY THOUGHTS? I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME UP TO US LAST TIME, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THE THE BALLPARK ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT 630, BUT IT ALSO ONLY HAD TWO STALLS ON EACH SIDE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FACADES TO LOOK AT. I VOTED FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NICE FOR IT TO KIND OF MIRROR THE CREW BUILDING, TO KIND OF KEEP THAT VISUAL, ESTHETIC UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PARK. ALSO WITH AS OUR CITY GROWS AND AS OUR OUR ESPECIALLY HOLIDAY PROGRAMING GOES, I MEAN, THERE'S A TON OF PEOPLE IN THAT PARK. WE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWO STALLS ON EACH SIDE JUST WASN'T ENOUGH. AND SO WE WE DIRECTED STAFF AT THAT TIME TO BRING THIS BACK WITH THREE ON EACH SIDE. AND SO HERE WE ARE.

AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A PRICE TAG THAT GOES WITH THAT OBVIOUSLY. SO. WELL, I THINK THE PRICE TAG IS NOT FOR THE STALLS. AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE STALLS AT THREE, BUT IF WE CAN LOWER THE ELEVATION, CAN WE KEEP THE DESIGN AND THEN JUST LOWER THE ELEVATION. AND THEN SO THAT WAY IT'S IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO KEEP THE DESIGN. YOU START GETTING INTO THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. I MEAN WE CAN WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT TO, TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO JUST FOR SOME ACCENTS. BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL STYLE WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN. I MEAN, I THINK SIX, 630 IS STILL A LOT, BUT IT'S A LOT LESS THAN 900. AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE, JUST BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT GETTING LOST IN THE SAUCE, IS THE TOTAL PRICE. THAT ALSO INCLUDES, LIKE ALL THAT LANDSCAPING AREA. CORRECT. AND LIKE THE PICNIC TABLES AND THE WIDE ENOUGH SIDEWALKS FOR TWO STROLLERS AT LEAST, AND WHATNOT. OKAY, I WAS JUST WANTING TO. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT MISTAKING THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST THE WATER CLOSETS THAT ARE THIS AMOUNT, THAT IT'S THE TOTALITY OF THE PROJECT, ALL THE FLAT WORK, EVEN THE PAYMENT AND PERFORMANCE BONDS FOR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. YES, THAT IT'S THE TOTALITY OF IT.

THAT IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED BEFORE ON THIS IS HOW IT FITS INTO THE PARK. AND THIS LOCATION IS SCREENED BY THE TREES ON ONE SIDE ENTIRELY.

WE'RE SCREENING, ADDING SCREENING TREE SCREENING FROM THE GAZEBO BETWEEN THE GAZEBO AND THIS FACILITY. AND THEN HOW WE ADD IN SEATING, WHEELCHAIR TURNAROUND ABILITY ON THE EXTERIOR AS WELL AS INTERIOR. THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS. I THINK EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE SURPRISED AND SHOCKED THAT IT'S SO EXPENSIVE, BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DESIGN CONTRACT WITH JACKSON AND RYAN ARCHITECTS. RAMTEK. YEAH, SORRY. ONE CONTAGIOUS, CONTAGIOUS ITEM 13, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH RAMTEK, INC. FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF A RESTROOM BUILDING FOR MARY HUTSON PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF $899,759 FEE OF I BOARD COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MEDINA. ANY MORE CONVERSATION? DO WE WANT TO PUT A CAP ON THIS? DO WE WANT TO DIRECT THEM TO SOMEHOW LOWER THE COST? I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A HARD CAP. IT SHOULDN'T GO ABOVE THAT. YEAH, IT SHOULDN'T GO ABOVE THE 899.

YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S THE MOTION. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING NOW WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THE PRICE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS WAS A A COMPETITIVELY BID PROJECT. THIS IS ON BOARD BY BOARD, WHICH MEETS ALL BIDDING REQUIREMENTS.

SO. RIGHT IF I COULD TO WE SELECTED THIS METHOD BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE YOU COULD DO. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO PROCURE PROJECTS FOR

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CONSTRUCTION. IT COULD BE A DESIGN BUILD WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY COMPLETE AN INDEPENDENT DESIGN AND THEN BID THAT PROJECT THAT WAY. WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE FAR MORE EXPENSIVE, AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TO YOU. IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS ACTUALLY MORE COST EFFECTIVE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS TURNKEY. CAN WE JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS? EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED. IT'S JUST THE ONLY THING THAT WAS LEFT OUT WAS THE SITE GRADING THAT WE WOULD BE DOING. MINOR.

BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ALSO THE LANDSCAPE. JUST THE PLANTING INSTALLATION WITH OUR NATIVE PLANTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. ARE THE UTILITIES ARE THE UTILITY LINES ALREADY BELOW IT, OR WILL UTILITY LINES HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO THAT SITE? THEY'D HAVE TO PREP THE PAD AND GET IT READY FOR. SO IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THIS, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER PRICE FACTOR AS WELL, WHICH DRIVES THE DRIVES IT UP. IT'S ALL INCLUDED THOUGH IN THIS PROJECT. OKAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE LINES HAVE TO BE WITHIN TEN FEET. SO DOES THE CITY HAVE TO EXTEND LINES TO THAT TEN FOOT TO THE PAD SITE, OR ARE THEY ALREADY THERE. YEAH, IT'S WITHIN AND IT'S JUST PREPPING THE PAD AND TYING THEM IN AT THAT POINT. OKAY. AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TO DO LIKE BACKFLOW PREVENTION STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WHAT ARE KIND OF THOSE NOMINAL COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO ADD TO IT ON THE CITY SIDE? BACKFLOW PREVENTION AND PERMITTING I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY COSTS INCURRED FOR THAT. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST AN OPERATIONAL THING. BUT UNLESS IT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND, WE DO NOT CHARGE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS FOR PERMITTING FEES. OKAY. WE ALSO HAVE A LIKE THE ACTUAL LIKE THE FLOW PREVENTER IF THAT'S REQUIRED, I DON'T KNOW. OH, AIR GAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. ALL THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PLUMBING WORK TO INDUSTRIAL GRADE AND PART OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT I'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. ZAPATA. YES. MEDINA. YES. GOZA. NO. MCKINNEY. YES.

HARRIS. YES. TOBIAS. YES. FLORES. NO. MOTION PASSES 5 TO 2. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT WE HAVE.

SORRY. WE'VE KIND OF KIND OF JUMPED ALL OVER THE PLACE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NEXT

[16) Consider approval of a resolution to appoint one (1) voting member and one (1) alternate voting member to the Capital Area Metropolitan Planning Organization (CAMPO) Transportation Policy Board.]

ONE WE GO TO IS CORRECT. I THINK WE'RE AGENDA ITEM 16. YES, I BELIEVE SO, YES. ALL RIGHT.

CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT ONE VOTING MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE VOTING MEMBER TO THE CAPITAL AREA METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION. CAMPO TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD ITEM PRESENTER, MIKE TRIMBLE. GOOD MORNING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT'S AFTER MIDNIGHT. SO GOOD MORNING. MIKE TRIMBLE, DIRECTOR, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS. SO YES, THIS ITEM AND BY THE WAY, CAMPO STANDS FOR CAPITAL AREA METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING. BUT THIS WOULD BE APPOINTMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD, WHICH IS A PRIMARY POLICY MAKING BODY AND DECISION MAKING BODY FOR CAMPO. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON CAMPO. IT IS A REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION AND INCLUDES THE FIVE COUNTY REGION BASTROP, BURNET, CALDWELL, HAYS, TRAVIS AND WILLIAMSON COUNTIES.

IT COORDINATES THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, I'M SORRY, ACROSS THE SIX COUNTIES WITHIN ITS PURVIEW. AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S THE GOVERNING BODY, SETS ALL THE POLICY, ALLOCATES ALL THE CAMPO FUNDING. SO A LOT OF THE FEDERAL FUNDING COMES THROUGH TO THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS. SO THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD ACTUALLY CONSIDERS AND MAKES THOSE DECISIONS ON THE FUNDING THAT'S ALLOCATED THROUGH CAMPO.

IT CONSISTS OF 22 MEMBERS, INCLUDES 20 ELECTED OFFICIALS, ONE REPRESENTATIVE EACH FROM TEXDOT AND CAPITAL METRO, RESPECTIVELY. THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD MEETS ON THE SECOND MONDAY OF EACH MONTH FROM 2 TO 4 IN NORTH AUSTIN. THE NEXT MEETING, I BELIEVE, IS COMING UP ON FEBRUARY 9TH. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, PER THE CAMPO BYLAWS AND OPERATING PROCEDURES AND CAMPO JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT, THE CITY IS ALLOWED TO APPOINT ONE VOTING MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE VOTING MEMBER TO ATTEND THOSE TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD MEETINGS, AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IS ANY ANYTIME A CITY IN THE IN THE REGION REACHES 50,000 OR MORE, THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO APPOINT A COUNCIL MEMBER FROM FROM THAT CITY PRIMARY VOTING MEMBER ATTENDS THE MEETINGS MONTHLY AND WITH THE ALTERNATE VOTING MEMBER ATTENDING. WHEN PRIMARY VOTING MEMBER IS UNAVAILABLE AND THEN PRIOR COUNCIL ACTION.

THERE WAS PRIOR APPOINTMENTS. PRIOR APPOINTMENTS WERE THE MAYOR, TRAVIS MITCHELL, PRIOR MAYOR AND PRIOR COUNCIL MEMBER BARRETT HEIZER. AND SO. SO NOW WE NEED TO MAKE SOME NEW SELECTIONS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD FOR THE PRIMARY AND THE ALTERNATE.

AND THEN WITH THE UPCOMING 2028 TO 20 2031 CALL FOR PROJECTS FUNDING CYCLE, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT IN SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. CURRENTLY, THERE IS A CALL FOR PROJECTS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE GRANT PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR THAT CALL. IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE CITY OF KYLE ON THAT BOARD, TO BE PART OF THAT DECISION MAKING

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PROCESS. SO YOUR OPTION IS TO APPOINT ONE VOTING MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE VOTING MEMBER TO THE CAMPO TRANSPORTATION POLICY BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH CAMPO BYLAWS AND OPERATING PROCEDURES AND THE JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT THAT I MENTIONED, OR TO TO CHOOSE NOT TO APPOINT NEW MEMBERS. AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING, OF COURSE, MAKING AN APPOINTMENT OF ONE VOTING MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE VOTING MEMBER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE BOTH ON ON THE BOARD. SO MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE THE DAYS AND LOCATIONS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAYS ARE GOING TO MEET AND WHERE THEY MEET AT. YEAH. SO TYPICALLY IT'S THE IT'S THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH. AS I MENTIONED. THE NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 9TH. AND THE MEETING TYPICALLY HAPPENS AT THE I FORGET THE NAME OF THE LOCATION, BUT IT'S I CAN GET YOU THE NAME OF THE FACILITY, BUT IT'S BASICALLY OFF OF METRIC FAR WEST AREA. OKAY, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NAME.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT EVENTS THERE. I'M THE NAME IS ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW. SO YOU MAY BE J.J. PICKLE, NOT J.J. PICKLE. IT'S IT'S AN ORGANIZATION. IT'S. I WILL GET THE NAME FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT? NO, NO, IT'S NORTH AUSTIN. IT'S OFF BRAKER LANE. YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY INTERESTED IN STEPPING UP? IF NOBODY OBJECTS, I WOULD. ACTUALLY, I'VE GOT THE FLEXIBILITY IN MY SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ANYBODY WHO WOULD FIGHT HARDER FOR PROJECTS TO COME TO THE CITY OF KYLE THAN MYSELF. I WAS THINKING YOU BECAUSE I WAS JUST LIKE, MY HOPE IS THAT YOU'LL COME BACK AND YOU'LL BRING ALL THAT INFORMATION AND YOU CAN KEEP US UPDATED. SO ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST WANTED TO STEP IN.

THE LOCATION IS THE JUNIOR LEAGUE OF AUSTIN COMMUNITY IMPACT CENTER ON STONE LANE JUNIOR LEAGUE. FANCY. OKAY. I THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE WHAT MARK JUST SAID. COUNCIL MEMBER JUST SAID IT TAKES SERVING ON THESE OUTSIDE COMMITTEES TAKES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME. IT'S NOT JUST THAT ONCE A MONTH MEETING THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GO DRIVE TO, THAT'S NOT USUALLY IN KYLE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE TO READ. YOU HAVE TO STAY UP ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE GRANTS. THERE'S A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE THAT GOES ON BETWEEN MEETINGS, SO IT CAN BE EXTREMELY TIME CONSUMING AND HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS IT'S CRITICAL TO HAVE SOMEBODY AS THE MEMBER AND THE ALTERNATE THAT CAN ATTEND THESE MEETINGS AND WILL BE ABSOLUTELY DEDICATED TO DOING SO. IT'S MUCH LIKE LIKE MY POSITION ON ARWA THAT IS VERY INVOLVED. LOTS OF INFORMATION, LOTS OF TIME SPENT ON THOSE BOARDS. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO BE DEDICATED TO THEM. AND THEY CAN BOTH ATTEND AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT.

SO ONLY ONE CAN VOTE. I BELIEVE IT'S TYPICALLY THE PRIMARY VOTING MEMBER THAT ATTENDS. AND THEN IF THEY CAN'T, THEN THE ALTERNATE ATTENDS IN THEIR PLACE. THAT'S TYPICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS. ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT BOTH CAN I THINK THEY CAN BOTH ATTEND AT THE SAME TIME. ONLY ONE CAN VOTE YES. ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN BEING THE ALTERNATE? I CAME WITH MY SCHEDULE. RIGHT NOW IT'S IT'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR. OKAY. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BE ALTERNATE. I HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH NEARLY HALF OF CAMPO. I'M A FULL TIME GRANT WRITER AND HAVE BEEN FOR A HANDFUL OF YEARS, HAVE BEEN REVIEWING GRANTS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT YEARS. AND I THINK I, I WOULD BE ABLE TO, I THINK, HELP COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY READ THROUGH THINGS, UNDERSTAND THINGS IF HE HAD ANY QUESTIONS. AND I KNOW HE'S A TOUGH, TOUGH FIGHTER. SO HAPPY TO SUPPORT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER APPROVING A RESOLUTION TO APPOINT COUNCILMEMBER MCKINNEY AS A VOTING MEMBER AND COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA AS AN ALTERNATE VOTING MEMBER TO THE CAPITAL AREA METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION BY ME, SECONDED BY TOBIAS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. BEFORE WE GET STARTED. SORRY IT IS LATE. IT'S 1219, AND I KNOW SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO BE AT WORK BY 4 A.M. SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD TAKE STAFF REPORTS AND THE COUNCIL ITEMS AND MAYBE INCORPORATE THEM IN FUTURE AGENDAS. IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THAT? I WON'T FIGHT YOU ON THAT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE CITY'S NAMING POLICY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE VISIONING WORKSHOP. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHICH ITEMS WE THOUGHT WERE WERE CRITICAL. YEAH, I THINK THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS, WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING THE ANNUAL BOARD APPRECIATION DINNER. WE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK THAT'S LATE FEBRUARY. I'M FORGETTING THE EXACT DATE, MAYBE THE 26TH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE