[I) Call Meeting to Order and Roll Call]
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THE TIME IS SEVEN OR 7 0 1, DEPENDING ON WHICH CLOCK YOU LOOK AT.
UM, I AM GOING TO CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER.
CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FLORIS.
COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA ASKED TO BE EXCUSED.
DO WE'LL HAVE TO WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO EXCUSE COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA AS SHE'S ILL.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS AND A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEMP TOBIAS.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR AND SAY, AYE.
UM, DO WE NOT HAVE RULES ON REPORTING AND THE RULES OF COUNCIL? AND IF WE DO, THEN WERE THOSE RULES FOLLOWED? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DETAILED RULE ON WHO TO NOTIFY THE OF YOUR REQUEST TO HAVE A MEETING EXCUSED.
BUT I ALSO KNOW YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO REQUEST IT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MEETING.
SO IF SHE DIDN'T FOLLOW IT, WE CAN CHECK AND HAVE HER FOLLOWING FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
NEXT WE'RE GONNA DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[II) Citizen Comment Period with City Council]
NEXT WE HAVE CITIZENS' COMMENTS.THE CITY COUNCIL WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS.
THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE ENCOURAGED TO SIGN IN BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS.
SPEAKERS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME PERIOD ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTER CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU OBSERVED A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
UM, I HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENTS FORM FOR HOWARD CONNELL.
GOOD EVENING, MY MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
I ACTUALLY GONNA SPEAK ON, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT I'VE BEEN RE ADVISED THAT'S, UH, BEEN KILLED.
SO I'M JUST GONNA FLY BY THE SEAT OF MY PANTS.
AND I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE YOU ALL FOR THE LONG HOUR'S.
BEEN PUTTING IN IT'S ABSOLUTELY EXCESSIVE.
I WISH YOU COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THESE MEETINGS DOWN.
I WISH YOU WOULD, UM, DO SOME KIND OF TIME LIMIT, ROTATION, STYLE, WHATEVER.
UM, I GOT 180 SECONDS UP HERE TO MAKE MY POINT.
IF YOU START OUT WITH FIVE MINUTES AND YOU ROTATE AROUND, YOU COME BACK ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES, YOU'VE HAD 10 MINUTES.
IF YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR POINT, YOU ARE STUMPING.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT MAKING A POINT.
YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING OR ARGUE, IN MY OPINION.
UM, PEOPLE ARE ALL REALLY SMART PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW HOW TO GET TO THE POINT.
I HAVE A DD SO I LIKE TO GET TO THE POINT.
SO ANYHOW, BUT I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T SUCCESSFUL IN THE COMPENSATION COMMITTEE OR I REALLY FEEL BAD NOW.
BUT ANYHOW, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FORMS. OH, I HAVE A BETTY CONLEY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF.
MY NAME IS BETTY CONLEY AND I LIVE IN CAL, TEXAS.
LAST MEETING I TALKED ABOUT PRIORITIZING BECAUSE OF OUR NEEDS AND NONE OF OUR WANTS.
AND WITH THE SITUATION WE'RE IN, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND TREAD VERY LIGHTLY ON SPENDING AND BUYING.
SO THAT'S, I FEEL THAT IT'S WORTH THE WEIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT'S GONNA WORK.
MY FEAR IS THAT IF WE START SPENDING WHEN WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO, JUST BECAUSE OF WANTS, IF
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SOME TYPE OF CATASTROPHE COMES TO THIS CITY, THERE'LL BE NO MONEY TO GRAB BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING IT FROM PETER TO PAY.I'M VERY UPSET WITH WHAT I HEARD FROM SABATA ON TIKTOK.
AND I WANTED TO LET HER KNOW I WISH SHE WAS HERE, THAT SHE DOESN'T EVEN STAND FOR HER OWN PEOPLE.
IF ANYBODY IS BRINGING BIGOTRY OR HATE OR ANY OF THE WORDS YOU WANNA USE, IT'S COMING OFF THIS DAIS FROM HER.
WE HAD A PRIDE MARKET DAY ON JUNE 6TH.
I DON'T EVEN THINK SHE CAME, BUT IF SHE DID, SHE NEVER STEPS FOOT INTO THE BUILDING.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE MUSEUM THAT WE DO CAS FOR EVERY, FOR JUNETEENTH FOR EVENTS.
SO SHE WAS SO MUCH WANTING PEOPLE TO RUN AND DO EVERYTHING FOR PRIDE.
WHY WASN'T SHE THERE? WHY WASN'T SHE EVEN COMING AND SAYING, THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US? I FEEL THAT ON MARKET DAYS, THEY NEED TO BE FAMILY DAYS, THE REGULAR DAYS THAT YOU'VE ALL SET.
AND I FEEL THAT IT WAS WRONG TO CALL TWO OF YOU COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR OUT AND NOT THE OTHER FOUR THAT ALL SPOKE ABOUT SAYING, WE NEED TO KEEP IT BASIC.
WE NEED TO KEEP IT WHAT IT IS.
SHE REPEATED WHAT SOME OF YOU SAID, BUT NEVER PUT A NAME TO IT.
THEREFORE, SHE IS MAKING IT POLITICAL.
AND WHEN SHE THREW IN ABOUT VETERANS AND FOUNDERS' DAYS, VETERANS IS A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
FOUNDERS' DAYS IS A CITY HOLIDAY.
TELL ME WHERE PRIDE IS A NATIONAL HOLIDAY OR A CITY HOLIDAY.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE AN ITALIAN DAY.
WHY DON'T YOU SPEND THE MONEY AND PUT IT ON FOR ME? NO, IF WE WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD PUT IT ON.
I HAD, AND I'M GONNA SAY IT BECAUSE YOU CAN ALL LAUGH, BUT THIS DID HAPPEN THE MINUTE YOU APPROVED NAMING A HOLIDAY FOR PRIDE DAY OR WHATEVER DAYS.
I TOLD LAURA LEE, I, DR. HARRIS, I HAD 'EM COME UP TO ME.
NOW THERE ARE SENIORS, WHATEVER THAT ROCKS THEIR BOAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST THAT I'M GIVING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
YOU'RE GONNA DO FOR ONE, YOU NEED TO DO FOR ALL.
AND SHE NEEDS TO STOP THIS HATE 'CAUSE SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S BRINGING THE HATE EVERY TIME ON THIS DAIS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FORMS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? OKAY, COME ON UP.
STEPHANIE MCDONALD, GO ON A FORM AND GIVE IT TO YOU LATER.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXTRA MEETINGS AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT'S BEING PUT IN.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE NORM, ALTHOUGH WE'VE HAD LATE MEETINGS FOR YEARS NOW.
BUT, UM, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE EXTRA MEETINGS.
WE APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT'S GOING INTO THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
AND, UM, I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY ON STAFF.
I KNOW IT'S, IT, IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT.
UM, THANK YOU FOR WORKING TO REIGN IN THE SPENDING.
WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, WE HAVE A SHORTFALL THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE US, AS WAS SPOKEN LAST WEEK, US TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS.
UH, RESIDENT CAME UP AND SAID, WHEN YOU HAVE A PERSONAL BUDGET SHORTFALL IN YOUR HOME AND YOUR OWN BUDGET, YOU STOP GOING OUT TO EAT.
YOU TAKE, DEFER YOUR VACATION TILL MAYBE LATER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THE CITY.
AND I APPRECIATE, UM, THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT'S GOING INTO THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UH, LOOKING AT NEEDS VERSUS WANTS, LOOKING INTO THE FORMER CITY MANAGER'S PAYOUT, VACATION PAYOUT, UH, COMING UP WITH THE FORENSIC AUDIT.
NOW, UH, NEXT, I THINK IT'S NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY BUILDING AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AND WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT.
UM, I, I SAW A LOT OF ABUSES AND I THINK THAT AS FAR AS LIKE DOING LATE NIGHT RUNS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE OUT DRINKING AND YOU NEED TO GET HOME SAFELY, AND IF WE DON'T PROVIDE THAT, YOU COULD HIT SOMEBODY IN A CAR, KILL THEM, AND IT WOULD BE ON US BECAUSE WE ALLOWED THAT.
I, I THINK PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.
I THINK, IN FACT, EVEN IF THEY DID JUST CALL AN UBER WITHOUT THE CITY 3 1 4 PROGRAM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WOULD GET HOME CHEAPER THAN IF THEY USED OUR PROGRAM.
SO, UM, I WISH WE'D CUT BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE TIME, NOT DO THE LATE NIGHT, BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DID DO IN, IN TRYING TO REIGN IN THAT PROGRAM 'CAUSE IT WAS ABUSED.
AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR TONIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FORMS. I HAVE ALAN IRMI JUST VERY QUICKLY.
UM, THE
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CAN ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL CELEBRATION.UH, WE STEPPED OUT OF A DANCE TO COME OVER HERE AND BE WITH Y'ALL.
AND AGAIN, I WANNA REITERATE WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID.
ALL RIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE
SOMEBODY ELSE COME UP AND SAY YOUR NAME.
I WAS NOT GONNA SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT I JUST COULD NOT HELP MYSELF.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MAYOR, ALL OF YOU ON OUR DAIS HERE.
I HAVE SEEN A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT IN OUR CITY COUNCIL OVER THE LAST SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS, AND I'M THRILLED.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT MORE TRANSPARENCY THAN, THAN WE HAD UNDER THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION'S LEADERSHIP, AND WE'VE ALSO HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, CONSCIOUSNESS ABOUT SPENDING.
AND THE FORENSIC AUDIT IS GOING TO BE, WHICH BY THE WAY, THE FORENSIC AUDIT IS ISN'T GENERATED JUST BECAUSE OF A CRIMINAL ALLEGATION.
UH, I JUST WANNA SET THAT STRAIGHT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, MOST EVERYONE UP HERE IS CONSCIOUS OF WHERE WE'RE AT FINANCIALLY, WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS A CITY IN THE NEXT YEAR, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I APPRECIATE EVERY SINGLE MINUTE AND EVERY SINGLE OUNCE OF ENERGY YOU ALL ARE GIVING TO THIS COUNCIL.
OKAY, I HAVE NO MORE FORMS. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
[III.1) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding a proposed Ordinance related to construction within riparian zones, the Edwards Aquifer Recharge Zone, and water quality.]
HAVE REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS.UH, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING A PROPOSED ORDINANCE RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN RIPARIAN ZONES, THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE AND WATER QUALITY ITEM PRESENTER, JASON LUTZ.
AH, YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL.
UM, SO TODAY, UM, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS, UH, THE PRELIMINARY OR BEGINNINGS OF A DRAFT ORDINANCE.
UH, IF WE CAN BRING UP THAT, UH, PRESENTATION.
UH, BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE, UH, COUNCILS ASKED, UH, THE CITY TO DO, STAFF TO DO IS TO GO THROUGH A LOOK AT WATER QUALITY RIPARIANS, UM, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER AND RECHARGE ZONES.
UM, SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE KIND OF TOOK, UH, SOME SEVERAL CITIES THAT HAD, UH, PRETTY ROBUST ORDINANCES.
UM, SAN ANTONIO, AUSTIN DRIPPING SPRINGS IN BUTTA.
UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SAVE OUR SPRINGS ORDINANCE AND, UH, ALSO REVIEWED TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY SINCE ULTIMATELY THEY REVIEW ALL OF THOSE PLANS AS WELL.
UM, SO AT THE TIME, THIS MEMO WAS WRITTEN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT SAN ANTONIO AND DRIPPING SPRINGS AS THOSE, THAT'LL BE THE KIND OF THE BEST TEMPLATES, UH, FOR, FOR US.
UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY WERE LAID OUT.
THEY HAD GOOD DEFINITIONS, GOOD PROCESSES, GOOD PENALTIES.
IT WAS JUST A WELL WRITTEN ORDINANCE.
UM, SO, UH, WE WERE KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT WE'VE SINCE THEN SWITCHED AND LOOKED AT DRIPPING SPRINGS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UM, BUT WE DID WANNA TAKE, UH, A BASE ORDINANCE SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RECREATE THE WHEEL.
UM, WE STARTED ADDING REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS KYLE'S SPECIFIC NEEDS.
SO PLUM CREEK, UM, EDWARDS AQUIFER.
UM, ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE CITY LIMITS ONLY.
UM, BUT AS WE'VE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS, UM, IT MADE SENSE TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHERE THIS ORDINANCE WOULD LIVE, WHAT CHAPTER SECTION OF OUR CODE.
UM, WE KIND OF STARTED LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, WE FELT THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO PROTECT WATER QUALITY WITHIN THE CITY, AND WE WERE DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS TO, TO PROTECT THAT AND, AND CLEAN IT, THEN IT DID MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO LET THE PERSON JUST UPSTREAM, ADJACENT TO US POLLUTE BACK INTO TO THE CREEK.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL ASK FOR SOME FEEDBACK ON, UM, TONIGHT, SOME DIRECTION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, OUR ETJ IS A LOT BIGGER THAN OUR CITY LIMITS, SO THERE'S MANPOWER CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS, JUST, WE HAVE NOT APPROACHED THE COUNTY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THEM.
SO IF YOU'RE A CITIZEN IN THE ETJ, YOU GENERALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF KYLE UNLESS YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING YOUR LAND.
NOW WE'RE ASKING, WE WOULD BE ASKING YOU TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN OUTLINING YOUR, YOUR WATER QUALITY MEASURES.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STARTING POINT FOR US.
SOMETHING FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT REPAIRING CORRIDOR AND STREAM BUFFERS, SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT THREE TIER SYSTEM, UM, FOCUSING ON MAJOR, INTERMEDIATE AND MINOR.
SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, UH, ORDINANCES ONLY FOCUSED ON MAJOR AND MINOR.
UM, SAVE OUR SPRINGS IS, IS A LITTLE UNIQUE.
THEY, THEY FOCUS ON THE EDWARDS, BUT IT'S MORE SPECIFICALLY THE EDWARDS IN RELATION TO BARTON SPRINGS.
SO NOT NECESSARILY ALL STREAMS AND BUFFERS.
OURS WOULD REP, UH, APPLY TO ALL.
UM, WE ALSO WOULD LOOK AT CLASSIFYING 'EM INTO THREE TYPES, PROTECTED, MANAGED, AND TRA UH, TRANSITION.
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UM, THERE WOULD BE NO IMPROVEMENTS IN PROTECTED ZONES.UM, UTILITY CROSSINGS WOULD BE ALLOWED AND WOULD REQUIRE BORING VERSUS TRENCHING.
UM, BUT THAT MAY INCREASE COSTS FOR CITY PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON AS WELL.
UM, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO INCLUDE A NO ADVERSE IMPACT DEMONSTRATION.
SO THAT'S NO INCREASE IN EROSION POTENTIAL, NO DEGRADATION OF WATER QUALITY, NO PROTECTION IN REPAIRING HABITAT FUNCTION.
UM, THIS WOULD ALIGN WITH OUR KIND OF EXISTING FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT, UH, FRAMEWORK.
UM, SO OUR CURRENT CODE, UH, DEALS WITH FLOOD AND FLOOD MANAGEMENT IN SEVERAL AREAS.
CHAPTER 17, UH, AS WHERE WE HAVE A, A, A CREEK BUFFER, UM, THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED I BELIEVE IN 2019 OR 2020.
IT'S BEEN A MODIFIED SINCE, BUT IT WAS JUST A BUFFER WITH NO DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU COULD DO SOME PARKING WITH LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, BUT IT'S NOT AS, AS ROBUST AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS, UH, EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE, UM, OVERLAY DISTRICT, SO TO SAY.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY ZONING, JUST IF YOU'RE IN THAT, THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK SAN ANTONIO HAD THE BEST PRACTICAL MODEL BECAUSE OF FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON AQUIFER PROTECTION AND RECHARGE FEATURES.
BUT WHEN WE GOT INTO THE WEEDS WITH THEM AND DRIPPING SPRINGS, THERE WASN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE IN THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY, THEY PROBABLY, UM, BORROWED FROM EACH OTHER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH OF THOSE AND WE'LL IMPLEMENT ALL LANGUAGE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, FEASIBLE.
UM, SO AGAIN, UH, THAT WOULD BE NONDEGRADATION STANDARDS, RECHARGE, FEATURE PROTECTION, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS, AND THEN OUR WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
UM, AGAIN, CFE CARS FEATURES, THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE PROTECTED.
UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT MAX IMPERVIOUS COVER, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UM, SO SINGLE FAMILY WAS LIMITED TO 40%, UM, MULTIFAMILY AT 55 AND COMMERCIAL AT 65.
UM, RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR SINGLE FAMILY GOES FROM 50 TO 65.
MULTIFAMILY CAN GO UP TO 75 AND COMMERCIALS AT 85 CAN GO HIGHER DEPENDING ON, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
UM, IIC LIMITS ARE ALSO REVIEWED AND APPROVED THROUGH TCQ VIA THEIR REGULATIONS.
SO WHATEVER WE DO, WE DO KIND OF WANNA MATCH.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT SAVE OUR SPRINGS.
UM, I THINK THEY HAVE A 15% HARD CAP ON THE RECHARGE, BUT THAT'S WHEN THAT RECHARGE ZONE IS A CONTRIBUTING TO THE BARTON SPRINGS ITSELF.
UM, AND OTHER AREAS, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IMPERVIOUS COVER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO KIND OF LOOK AT.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT WATER QUALITY TREATMENT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON WATER QUALITY.
I, I, I CAN'T ANSWER A LOT OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR FLOODPLAIN AND STORMWATER DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, WATER QUALITY TREATMENT FOR THE FIRST ONE AND A HALF INCHES SPILL CONTAINMENT FOR FUEL STORAGE.
UM, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL MANAGEMENT PLANS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED AS THIS, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE REOCCURRING INSPECTIONS PER THE CITY STORM WATER, UH, MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
NOW, AGAIN, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING JUST AT THE CITY, BUT WE FELT THAT IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO EXTEND THIS TO THE ETJ.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO STAFF IN THAT DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT MAY GET A LITTLE CUMBERSOME WITH YEARLY INSPECTIONS.
SO I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THROW ALL OF THE, THE ISSUES OUT THERE.
UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT IN CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT BUFFERS AROUND THESE.
UH, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO AUSTIN DRIPPING SPRINGS.
UH, SOME OF THE BUFFERS WOULD BE AROUND CARS, FEATURES, SPRINGS, SINKHOLES, CAVES, UH, SIGNIFICANT FRACTURES, RECHARGE FEATURES AND WETLANDS.
UM, THESE FEATURES ARE IMPORTANT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY HOW WATER GETS BACK INTO, UH, OUR RESERVOIRS.
AND SO WE DO WANT TO PROTECT THOSE AND NOT LET THOSE GET COVERED.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WATER QUALITY VOLUME REQUIREMENTS, UM, THIS WILL BE BASED ON BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THROUGH ENGINEERING.
UM, THERE ARE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT CAN BE USED.
UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, MORE SPECIFICALLY THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, UM, HAS SOME REQUIREMENTS THERE.
THEY ALSO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, THAT IMPLEMENT THESE WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
THAT SOSA, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO, SAY THEY DON'T NEED TO, TO DO WATER QUALITY IN A CERTAIN AREA, WE COULD ASK THEM TO DO THAT AND MAYBE GIVE THEM, UM, ADDITIONAL DENSITY OR SETBACKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A BIO SWELL SAND FILTERS, UM, WATER QUALITY PONDS.
WE WOULD NOT ALLOW BATCH DETENTION, UM, STRAIGHT FROM KATHY.
SHE DOES NOT LIKE THOSE, AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU A LONG EXPLANATION ON WHY.
UM, SO FOR STAFF DIRECTION TONIGHT, UM, REPAIRING AND STREAM BUFFERS, UM, SOMETHING WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS ALLOWANCES FOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG CREEKS FOR CERTAIN COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO PUT TRAILS AND PARKS, UM, FOR THAT TYPE OF USE, WE PROBABLY SAY NO UNDER THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE,
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BUT THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PARKLAND ADJACENT TO A RIVER POSSIBILITY TO BUILD A RETAINING WALL, AN AREA FOR CONCRETE, MAYBE SWIMMING, SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC PARK.UM, I'M CURIOUS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
WE COULD MAKE THAT A, A SPECIAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, OR CURRENTLY MY DRAFT IS JUST LIMITING IT TO PUBLIC PARKS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING UNDER OUR CONTROL.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INCURIOUS COVER LIMITS, AGAIN, I DISPLAYED CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S.
UM, SOME, SOME PEOPLE SAW THOSE AND I THINK, UM, THEY SEEM A LITTLE BIT HIGH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE Y'ALL MORE INTERESTED IN HARD CAPS? UM, WOULD YOU ALLOW INCREASED IMPERVIOUS COVER IF THEY WOULD FILTER AND CLEAN THEIR WATER TO A HIGHER STANDARD? WE'VE SEEN SOME CITIES DO THAT.
UM, UM, OUR CURRENT CODE ALLOWS FOR HOUSING CLUSTERS.
UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF IN THE CITY, NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ANYWAYS, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ONE THAT UTILIZES THESE.
UM, BUT HOUSING CLUSTERS HAVE BEEN KIND OF A PLANNING TOOL FOR A WHILE.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF TOPO, A LOT OF RIVERS AND CREEKS.
UM, IT LETS YOU KIND OF CLUSTER YOUR HOUSES.
SO MAYBE A NORMAL SUBDIVISION IS AT 50%, UM, LOT COVERAGE OR IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UM, WE WOULD ALLOW THESE AREAS OR THESE LOTS TO GO UP TO 80 OR 90, AS LONG AS THE OVERALL SUBDIVISION DID NOT EXCEED WHATEVER THAT IMPERVIOUS COVER CAP WAS.
AND THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO KIND OF CLUSTER THEIR HOMES AND PUT ALL THAT DENSITY AND IMPERVIOUS COVER IN ONE AREA.
UM, A BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS ALSO MINIMIZES THE IMPACTS OF ROADS, UH, CONNECTING AREAS THAT, THAT ARE BUILDABLE AND THEN LOWERS OUR LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE COSTS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER.
UM, AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS GO, UM, STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING ON, UH, REDLINING.
THE KIND OF DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT I PUT TOGETHER, AGAIN, BASED ON DRIPPING SPRINGS, NOT SAN ANTONIO, WE MADE A SWITCH THERE.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA MODIFY TO MATCH KYLE'S NEEDS.
UM, SO, UH, WE DO NEED TO IMPLEMENT A FEE FOR WATER QUALITY REVIEW AND AMEND THAT FEE SCHEDULE.
UM, I'M NOT ANTICIPATING A NEW FEE SINCE THIS WOULD BE COMING IN WITH EXISTING SITE PLANS OR PLOTS.
UM, BUT WE WOULD WANNA INCREASE THAT FEE TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY FOUR TO SIX, UM, STAFFERS HAVING TO REVIEW, UM, ADDITIONAL MANUALS AND, AND PLANS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE CAPTURING OUR, OUR EXPENSES ON THAT.
UM, WE DO NEED TO ADD SOME WORKFLOWS.
UM, SO WE HAVE OUR PERMITTING SOFTWARE THAT GOES THROUGH THIS, HOW WE DO OUR COMMENTS AND PLAN REVIEWS.
UM, WE'LL NEED TO JUST SET UP THE CHECKLIST, UH, WHO THE REVIEWERS ARE AND GET THAT ADDED IN.
UM, THAT CAN TAKE, UH, SOMETIMES A COUPLE WEEKS, MAYBE A MONTH.
SO IF WE GET PROJECTS IN THE INTERIM, WE MAY HAVE TO KIND OF HAND PAN, DO THEM BY HAND AS FAR AS REVIEWS AND GO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON AS WELL.
UM, UH, ORIGINALLY WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING FOR THE FIRST, OR JANUARY, I'M SORRY, JULY MEETING TIMEFRAME TO LOOK AT FIRST ORDINANCE READING.
IT MAY BE THE FIRST OR SECOND IN AUGUST, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS.
THE FLOODPLAIN TEAM IS WORKING WITH PARKS TO MAP OUR CURRENT RIVER SYSTEMS AND MAP OUR FLOODWAYS.
UM, THEY EXPECT THAT TO BE DONE IN JUNE.
THAT WILL MOST LIKELY BE NEEDED AS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WILL CLASSIFY STREAM SPACES MAJOR, UH, MINOR.
UM, THE ORDINANCE YOU'LL SEE ALSO CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER AND FILTRATION YOU HAVE AND BUFFER REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE WATERSHED THAT FEEDS THAT CREEK.
SO IF IT'S A SMALL WATERSHED OF MAYBE UP TO 20 ACRES, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT BUFFER, UM, MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET.
BUT IF WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE A THOUSAND ACRE AREAS OF BASIN, WE MAY WANT TO PUSH THAT BUFFER UP TO 400 FEET.
UM, NOW OBVIOUSLY EVERY DECISION WE MAKE, EVERY REGULATION WE PUT IN HAS, HAS CONSEQUENCES.
UM, SO I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT MAP AN UPDATED MAP.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE BUFFERS ARE AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO THERE MAY BE PROPERTIES IN, IN THE CITY OF KYLE THAT RIGHT NOW YOU COULD GO AND PULL A PERMIT ON AND GET DEVELOPED, AND THAT MAY CHANGE AFTERWARDS.
SO I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO BE AWARE THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE NOT FANS OF THIS, ESPECIALLY ALONG CERTAIN AREAS.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME VACANT PROPERTY HERE NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
I KNOW OUR CURRENT BUFFER, UM, WAS PROBLEMATIC IN, IN ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THIS UPDATED ORDINANCE, UH, MAY, MAY CAUSE FURTHER ISSUES, BUT, UM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ON KIND OF THOSE BIG TOPICS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ON PROCESS AND KIND OF GENERAL OVERVIEW ON SOME OF THE ORDINANCES, BUT IF YOU WANT REAL TECHNICAL DETAILS, I'M GONNA HAVE TO CALL THE EXPERTS ON THAT.
AND BY THAT WE MEAN KATHY, KATHY RAKER, AND I THINK KASHA.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GZA, AND WE'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LINE TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
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SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY IMPACT, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING.THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN COME TO COUNCIL IN REQUEST OF A WAIVER, CORRECT? UM, WE HAVEN'T WORKED OUT ALL THE WAIVERS YET.
UM, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT STAFF COULD WAIVE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE NOW CURRENT, UM, LIKE TOTAL WAIVER WAIVER, IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL WANT US TO CONSIDER, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'D BE BASED ON A, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC CRITERIA, LIKE 60% OF YOUR LOT IS UNBUILDABLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THE TEAM AND I KIND OF WORK OUT.
UM, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL FOLKS THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND, AND REVIEWED WATER QUALITY ORDINANCES.
SO I'M GONNA LEAN ON THEM TO, TO SAY WHAT ARE THE PITFALLS, WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS AND, AND WHAT'S THE SOLUTION OUT? OKAY.
I THINK I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO IMPOSE ANYTHING THAT IS SO RESTRICTIVE THAT THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT WHERE PIECES OF PROPERTY BECOME UNUSABLE THEN TO THE PERSON WHO OWNS IT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEING FRIENDLY TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, AND SO THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I'M MORE, OR I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF HAVING KIND OF HARD CAPS.
AND THEN, UM, HAVING IT COME BACK TO COUNSEL, IF THERE'S A REQUEST TO GO ABOVE THAT, AND IT CAN BE JUSTIFIED.
SO I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE SO, SO DIFFICULT THAT THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY IN IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY STRIVE TO DO IN ORDER TO PROTECT THOSE ZONES AND PROTECT OUR, OUR AQUIFER.
UM, AND IT, THAT'S THE, THE, I FEEL LIKE THE EDWARDS AQUIFER, UM, IS A HUGE AREA FOR ME, BUT ALSO PLUM CREEK, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR SEWAGE OUTLETS.
AND SO WHEN THAT WATER QUALITY IS, UM, DETERIORATING OR NOT UP TO PAR, IT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF SEWAGE TREATED WATER THAT WE CAN PUT OUT INTO THE CREEK.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF MY FOCUS AND GOAL IS PROTECTING OUR WATER SOURCE AND THEN PROTECTING OUR ABILITY TO FUNCTION WITHIN THE CITY AND DISCHARGE SEWAGE.
SO IN HARD CAPS, JUST, I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, TAKING SOME NOTES, UM, ON THE HARD CAPS, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED YOU'D LIKE A VARIANCE PROCESS TO GET AROUND THAT.
WOULD YOU, UH, CONSIDER AUTOMATIC VARIANCES? LIKE IF THEY TREAT THE WATER TO A HIGHER STANDARD, THEY COULD INCREASE THAT IMPERVIOUS COVER? WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING Y'ALL BE WILLING TO CONSIDER? I WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
UM, AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE SLOWING DOWN.
UM, BUT I HAVE SEEN, UM, THIS ORDINANCE IN INACTION ACTUALLY IN DRIPPING SPRINGS AND, AND IT CAN BECOME A LITTLE BURDENSOME TO COUNCIL IF Y'ALL ARE HAVING TO REVIEW, UM, SITE PLAN VARIANCES ONCE A MEETING.
AND, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO THAT.
SO THAT WAS MY GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE THE VARIANCE TO COME TO YOU GUYS, OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING CALLING THAT, AND THEN APPEALS GO TO YOU? I MEAN, JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION.
IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL WANNA TAKE ON, WE'LL BE GLAD TO SEND IT TO THIS BODY.
I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE IN DRIPPING SPRINGS AND IT'S WORKING AND THAT PROCESS IS DOING WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO, THEN THAT'S A GOOD PROCESS TO FOLLOW.
SO WE'LL MAKE THAT, UH, GO INTO YOU THEN INSTEAD OF ANOTHER BOARD.
YEAH, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE WHENEVER THERE'S A WAIVER THAT'S INCLUDED.
IF THEY COULD REVIEW AND GIVE, I MEAN, IT WOULD GO THROUGH YOU GUYS AND THEN GO THROUGH THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM AS WELL, AND THEN NEXT LEVEL, SO THAT WAY WE HAVE TWO DEPARTMENTS LOOKING AT IT SAYING, NO, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE FOUR DEPARTMENTS.
UH, LOU ZANG IS, HAS BEEN A, A REVIEWER OF WATER QUALITY BEFORE, SO I'M LEANING ON HER EXPERTISE.
WE'VE GOT KHAW IN ENGINEERING WITH FLOODPLAIN, AGAIN, KATHY IN STORMWATER.
UM, AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS IS ALWAYS INVOLVED.
SO DEFINITELY BE A LOT OF A LOT OF FOLKS.
UH, SO WE WON'T BE COMING BACK TO ANY VARIANCES EMPTY HANDED.
WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR YOU.
UH, I THINK THAT CONCLUDED MY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE FEE FOR THE WATER QUALITY REVIEW, UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT LIKE A FLAT FEE OR IS THIS GONNA BE BASED ON AVER, UH, UH, ACREAGE OR A DISTURBED AREA? UM, RIGHT NOW, THE THOUGHT PROCESS, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE A SITE DEVELOPMENT FEE, UM, AND THAT YOU'LL NEED TO SUBMIT THAT PLAN ANYWAYS, WE WOULD JUST INCREASE THAT FEE.
UM, MOST LIKELY IT WOULD JUST BE AN INCREASE OF THE BASE FEE.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL FOR EACH ADDITIONAL ACRE.
UM, THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THERE, A ONE ACRE TRACT IS NOT A LOT OF REVIEW TIME, BUT A 500 ACRE TRACT MIGHT BE SO, RIGHT.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE DO THE BASE FEE AND THEN A PER ACRE FEE.
SO MY GUT RIGHT NOW, UH, IS, IS TO SAY JUST INCREASE THE BASE FEE MM-HMM
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UM, THAT WAY IF, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME SMALL PROPERTIES.
THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA APPLY TO ALMOST ANY TRACT OF LAND.
I, I DON'T, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT A SEPARATE FEE FOR LIKE SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, MY CONCERN IS, IS THE RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE WANTS TO BUILD THEIR HOUSE.
AND, AND WE HAVE A $3,000 PLAN REVIEW FEE ON TOP OF RIGHT.
THE ENGINEERING THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE REPORT.
UM, A LOT OF ENGINEERS ARE GONNA BE INVOLVED.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S HAZARD MITIGATION, THERE'S REPAIR, THERE'S MAINTENANCE PLANS, THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT, SO RIGHT.
WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT A FEE OR EXCEPTION OR SOMETHING FOR, FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, I'M NOT QUITE THERE YET ON THOSE DETAILS, BUT IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A ONE FEE FITS ALL TYPE.
AND THEN FOR ENFORCEMENT, UM, WHO IS GONNA BE DETERMINING THE, UM, COMPLIANCE AND HOW WOULD VIOLATIONS BE HANDLED? UM, THAT WILL BE PROBABLY A TEAM EFFORT.
UM, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THEIR MAINTENANCE PLANS.
UM, THEY'LL HAVE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF THEIR ACTUAL FACILITIES FOR TREATMENT.
UM, THEY'LL ALSO HAVE HAZARDOUS STORAGE.
UM, SO FIRE WILL PROBABLY TAKE THAT.
I THINK THEY DO YEARLY REVIEWS ON SOME OF THOSE.
UM, I KNOW CURRENTLY STORM WATER REVIEWS ARE DONE YEARLY.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY EASILY DOABLE INSIDE THE CITY LIMIT.
UM, BUT IF, IF THE DIRECTION IS TO GO INTO THE ETJ, THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
UM, JUST BECAUSE OF STAFF TIME AND THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE AND LAND THAT, THAT CAN BE OUT THERE.
AND SPEAKING OF STAFF TIME, UM, SINCE THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING ON WITH OUR CURRENT FUNDING SITUATION AND THE STAFF CUTS WE'VE HAD ALREADY, ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS BEING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HANDLE WITH THE STAFF WE HAVE, OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL STAFF IN THE FUTURE? I THINK RIGHT NOW THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN HANDLE WITH THE CURRENT STAFF.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT PEOPLE ON STAFF.
UM, LOU, KATHY KHAW HAVE, HAVE BEEN AMAZING.
UM, I DON'T NEED TO LEAVE OUT JOHN DAVIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN PARKS THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE.
SO, UM, I THINK THE STAFF IS THERE, UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN CURRENT LOADS.
NOW, THERE MAY BE TIMES OF A YEAR WHERE WE JUST, LIKE THIS WEEK WE HAD 15 PLAN REVIEWS IN FOR DUE THIS WEEK.
THERE MAY BE WEEKS WHERE, WHERE WE GET BEHIND OR, OR WE NEED TO PUT IN EXTRA HOURS TO DO THAT.
UM, MY CONCERN IS, IS IF WE GO INTO THE ETJ, WHAT DOES THAT CHANGE? RIGHT.
UM, STAFF WISE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OR THE NEGATIVE IS THE STAFF AND MANPOWER TO DO THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE BENEFITS IS THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAM MM-HMM
THAT THE CITY COULD REALIZE AS PART OF THEIR, UH, OUR PROJECTS.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR RIGHT NOW.
COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO INCLUDE THE ETJ, UM, AS MUCH AS WE LEGALLY CAN.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH BUILDING IN THE ETJ IS THAT SOMETIMES DEVELOPERS OR BUSINESSES PREFER TO BE IN THE ETJ BECAUSE SOME OF THE REGULATIONS DON'T APPLY.
AND OUR ETJ AREAS ARE OUR MOST SENSITIVE AREAS RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE OTHER THING I LIKED, UH, IN THE PROPOSAL IS THE CLUSTER HOUSING.
I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF BUILDERS THAT ARE ANTICIPATING DOING SOME CLUSTER HOUSING.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO CON TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND I AGREE ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSE BEING BUILT.
YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DO NEED TO CONSIDER THE, UH, IMPACT OF THE FEES ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESS OF HOUSES NOT CREATED EQUAL.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY, COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBER MEDINA ASKED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I ALREADY HAD, SO THANK YOU.
UH, IT'S ONE OF THE PERKS TO BEING AT THIS END, I GUESS.
UM, CAN WE GO TO THE, THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE, KINDA THE BULLET POINTS, THINGS YOU WANTED SOME, SOME DIRECTION ON? UH, YES.
UM, SO THIS ONE'S THE BIG ONE FOR ME.
THE FIRST ONE, UM, PARKS ARE GENERALLY AROUND WATERWAYS AND STREAMS. UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PLACEMAKING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGHLY IMPORTANT FROM PLANNING FROM PARKLAND, UH, KNIT TRAILS.
SO WHAT KIND OF LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT ARE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE? UM, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE ORDINANCE IS ZERO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK YOU ALSO LOSE OUT ON, ON GOOD OPPORTUNITIES THERE IF THEY'RE DONE RIGHT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ALLOWING IT FOR ANYBODY ELSE OUTSIDE OF US.
UM, BECAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A DEVELOPER AND THEY HAVE THOSE STREAMS, THEY'RE THERE TO PROTECT IT.
WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS, AND PART OF PROTECTING THEM IS GIVING THEM HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO IF WE CAN DO THAT ALONG THE RIVER, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
JUST WAITING SOME POLICY DIRECTION.
UM, MAINTAINING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RECREATION SPACE IN THOSE AREAS OKAY.
AND I THINK HAVING SOME FLEXIBILITY, AT LEAST ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, IS APPROPRIATE HERE.
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UM, DEFINITELY FINE WITH HARD CAPS ON IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS.UH, I AGREE WITH DR. HARRIS ON THE HOUSING CLUSTERS, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M, AS FAR AS FLEXIBILITY, UH, I, I WANT TO, I WANT EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER LIKE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS, AND THAT'S TO, TO MAINTAIN THE, YOU KNOW, BEST AVAILABLE WATER SOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND, AND I, I DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO HAMSTRING FUTURE COUNCILS AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS ARBITRARILY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW YOU WOULD WANT HAVE SOME DIRECTION THERE,
UH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR BALANCE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING WE WRITE, WE DON'T WANT TO CUT BLANK CHECKS TO, TO FOLKS.
WE DON'T WANT TO ADOPT SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOOPHOLE EASY TO GET AROUND.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE RECOMMENDING JUST CITY PARKS, THEN YES, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE THIS COUNCIL OR ANOTHER COUNCIL THAT'S FUNDING THAT PROJECT SO THEY CAN DECIDE AT THAT TIME HOW MUCH DISTURBANCE THEY WANNA DO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A VIABLE PROJECT OR A COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
UM, BUT I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT OPEN THAT UP FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOING A LITTLE TOO FAR.
UM, WE COULD MAYBE PUT IN AN APPEAL OR WAIVER OR SYSTEM IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, THEY WOULD'VE TO PROBABLY MEET SOME CERTAIN CRITERIA.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T EVEN FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSE, UH, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER WHO WANTED TO PUT IN A PARKER TRAIL SYSTEM AROUND A WATER FEATURE FOR THE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD COME TO US FOR A, FOR AN APPROVAL.
WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AS PART OF A VARIANCE WAIVER PROCESS.
SO ANY REG THAT THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE, UM, THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO PROVE UP, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
'CAUSE AGAIN, UM, FOR ME, AND, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT THE GOALS ARE OF THE ORDINANCE, IT'S, IT'S WATER QUALITY AND WATER PROTECTION.
SO ULTIMATELY THAT'S OUR STARTING POINT, AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH PITFALLS BACKWARDS TO SEE WHAT ARE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT, THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING OUT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TOO.
I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD A HOME ON SOME FAMILY LAND.
WE, WE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THAT IN KYLE.
SO BY LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, GOING BACK TO THE MAX AND PREVIOUS I LIMITS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT A SINGLE FAMILY OF 40% AND MULTIFAMILY AT 55 AND COMMERCIAL AT 65.
THIS WAS FROM CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
LIKE, LIKE I SAID, UH, SAVE OUR SPRINGS IS, IS 15, IF IT'S IN THE EDWARDS RECHARGE AND A CONTRIBUTING TO THE BARTON SPRINGS.
UM, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CAPS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
SO, UM, YOUR TYPICAL SUBDIVISION RIGHT NOW, LIKE I SAID, THE MINIMUM IS USUALLY 50, UH, PERCENT.
UM, THAT'S USUALLY THE DRIVEWAY, THE SIDEWALK, THE HOUSE AND PATIO.
UM, SOME OF THEM CAN GO UP A LITTLE BIT IF, YOU KNOW, WE SEE ADDITIONS, UH, COVERED AREAS, BARBECUE PITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT GENERALLY YOUR SUBDIVISIONS FOR WATER DETENTION, FLOODPLAIN DRAINAGE, UM, THE STANDARD IS SOME ASSUMPTION.
UM, AND THROUGH TCQ IS 50% OF, OF EVERY LOT, SO ACROSS AN AVERAGE.
SO THIS LOT MAY BE 65, THIS MAY BE 35, BUT ACROSS THE AVERAGE IT'S, IT'S 50%.
SO, UM, I WOULDN'T WANNA DEVIATE TOO MUCH FROM THAT UNLESS THEY WERE TREATING THE WATER TO A HIGHER QUALITY, THEN I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH ALLOWING THAT.
AND THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT IS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOUR RESTRICTED BASED ON THE STREAM TYPE, WHICH IS YOUR MAJOR INTERMEDIATE AND MINOR.
UM, I GUESS IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW BIG THE, THE STREAM IS ITSELF, CORRECT? UM, IT'LL DEPEND.
THAT'LL BE A FUNCTION OF THE WATERSHED THAT GOES TO IT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CALCULATE THAT.
I'M GONNA RELY ON GIS AND ENGINEERING TO HELP ME WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE I SAID, IN SOMEONE'S EYES IT MAY LOOK LIKE A SMALL STREAM, BUT IT, IT MAY BE TO PULLING WATER FROM A THOUSAND ACRES.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S A BIGGER, BIGGER WATERSHED.
UM, SOME OF 'EM HAVE BIGGER WIDTHS, BUT THEY HAVE A SMALL AREA THAT IT CONTRIBUTES TO.
SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE, UH, A LOT OF DETAIL WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE, OF COURSE, THE UTILITY CROSSINGS, THE BORING VERSUS RINSING.
UH, YOU'RE SAYING IT MAY INCREASE PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE? YEAH.
DO YOU KNOW BY ESTIMATE HOW MUCH OF A PERCENTAGE YOU THINK IT'S, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS, CORRECT?
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YEAH.HOW DEEP, HOW FAR, WHAT'S THE LENGTH, WHAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT THESE HOUSES? YEAH.
BUT IN ORDER TO PROTECT THESE REPAIRING AREAS, I MEAN, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS OPEN TRENCH A THOUSAND FEET OF BANK AND, AND KILL ALL THE TREES.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THESE AREAS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CROSS.
UM, ALMOST EVERY ORDINANCE I LOOKED AT ALLOWED FOR STREET CROSSINGS, SIDEWALK CROSSINGS, UM, BUT THEY HAD TO BE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS, MINIMIZE, PERPENDICULAR, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS THIS ORDINANCE BEING IN CONFLICT WITH, SAY THE FIRE CODE ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, YOU LIVE IN AN AREA, YOU GOT FLOOD PLAIN ON BOTH SIDES OF YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO POINTS OF EGRESS.
AND SO IF ONE OF IS THE FLOODPLAIN AND YOU HAVE A STRICT REPAIR AND YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE, IT, IT, IT MAY CAUSE SOME LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.
THERE SOME ALLOWANCES THERE, BUT IT'S VERY MINIMAL.
SO I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, NOW YOU TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE BASE FEE, UM, BUT FOR ME, I FEEL LIKE THAT BASE FEE IS PROBABLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SMALLER.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA PAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO OUR BASE FEE RIGHT NOW, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 3000 FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
UM, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT MOSTLY COMMERCIAL ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THAT.
SO WE DON'T REQUIRE SITE DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, AND BUT WHAT THAT COVERS IS, IS QUITE INTENSIVE.
SO IT'S, UH, PLANNING PUBLIC WORKS, ENGINEERING, UTILITY, UM, TRANSPORTATION, FIRE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT JUST THE LANDSCAPING AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, IT'S DISTANCE TO INTERSECTIONS, IT'S LIGHTING, IT'S ELECTRICAL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THOSE FEES WERE BASED ON THAT CHANGE IN STATE LAW.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE, THE REVENUE.
SO, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY AND, AND PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE STARBUCKS, THEN WE LOOK AT A WAY TO REDUCE THAT FEE FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT MAJOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE LOWERING THAT FEE.
UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND REVIEW THAT GOES INTO THOSE.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD NEED TO INCREASE, UM, IF YOU'RE TALKING EIGHT STAFFERS, EXTRA TWO HOURS A PIECE, JUST MINIMUM, LET ALONE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS, RE-REVIEW PRE DEB MEETINGS.
IT, IT CAN BE A LOT OF, OF UN UNKNOWN UNCAPTURED REVENUE.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A, MAYBE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FEE FOR, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THE ANOS ARE BUILDING THEIR HOUSE AND IT'S A FAMILY THAT'S BEEN IN KYLE FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, AND I, I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEONE TO HAVE TO BE LIKE, OKAY, IN ADDITION TO BUILDING THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE FEES, NOW WE HAVE A $3,000 BASE FEE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY, WHICH PEOPLE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND OR BE PREPARED FOR.
SO IT, I THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
FOR ME, IT'S HARD TO SEE IT IF, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE BASE THAT WE CHANGE, WHICH IS, TO ME, THE BASE IS EVERYTHING EVERYBODY PAYS, THEN IT HAS TO BE LIKE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE FEE.
AND AS WE'RE TALKING, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEANING TO.
UM, I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL STUFF.
I'D RATHER JUST FIND A WAY THAT EITHER, UM, MAYBE IF IT'S A, IT'S A, AN EXISTING LOT AND, AND I'M SPIT BALLING RIGHT NOW, SORRY.
UM, IF IT'S AN EXISTING LOT AND THEY'RE KEEPING IT UNDER 40% COVERAGE THAT THEY GET A WAIVER FOR, FOR THAT, UM, IF THEY WANT TO GO ABOVE, THEY HAVE TO DO SOME PRE-TREATMENT, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT THE FULL PLAN.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT, I I THE GOAL IS TO PROTECT OUR WATER, BUT IT, THE SINGLE FAMILY, INDIVIDUAL HOME IS NOT THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S DETERIORATING THE WATER QUALITY.
SO I, WE DO WANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
YEAH, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR FEES, LIKE ARE, I THINK THESE ARE LIKE UTILITY FEE FOR, UM, LIKE THE, THE DRIVEWAYS AND THAT'S LIKE A $600 FEE, WHETHER YOU'RE DOING AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY OR YOU'RE DOING, OR YOU KNOW, GOOGLE'S DRILLING IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR STREETS.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FEE FOR THE APPROPRIATE SITUATION FOR ME IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, ALSO I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF ALLOWING PARKS, UM, NEAR, UM, AS AN ALLOWANCE FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALONG THE CREEKS, BUT NOTHING TOO MAJOR BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AT THE PARKS WHEN IF IT FLOODS OR SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO BE STUCK THERE.
SO, AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF AN APPEAL OR HEARING IN CASE, UM, SOMEBODY DISAGREES ON WITH THE CITY OR THE STAFF AND THEY, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM A PROCESS, EVEN IF IT'S, IT COMES UP TO US AND WE SAY NO, GIVING THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, I THINK IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
WE DEFINITELY WANT TO GIVE DUE PROCESS SO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL STATE LAWS AND DON'T GET OURSELVES IN TROUBLE.
WELL, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE ELSE, I JUST, I JUST WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE ETJ.
UM, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN GOING OUT THAT FAR? ARE YOU, ARE YOU NOT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S,
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IT'S, FOR ME IT'S A, IT'S A DELETE OR ADD A SENTENCE.UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW.
I'LL LEAVE IT IN AS GO INTO THE ETJ AND THEN WHEN WE BRING THAT BACK, Y'ALL CAN KIND OF HAVE SOME MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATION ON THAT.
I'M, I'M KIND OF, 'CAUSE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE CITY RULES OR ENGAGED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY CAN JUST BE ASKED TO BE ANNEXED OUT OF THE ETJ.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SEE SOMEBODY WHO HAS A PROBLEM GOING IS IF THEY'RE LIKE, NO, WE DON'T WANNA FOLLOW ANY OF THE, WE DON'T WANNA ENGAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD JUST DISENGAGE ALTOGETHER AND, AND ASKED TO BE TAKEN OUTTA THE ETJ.
WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT ON OUR PLOTS.
WE'VE GOTTEN SOME RELAS AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE STAFF COMMENTS.
AND SO IMMEDIATELY WE GOT A REQUEST TO BE REMOVED FROM THE ETJ.
SO I, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR REASONING.
'CAUSE I'M AFRAID IF WE SAY, IF WE DO JUST THAT AND SAY NOW THIS IS ALL GONNA BE APPLIED TO THE ETJ, THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA JUST LEAVE AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO USE THE COUNTY.
BUT THE COUNTY SAYS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE AS FAR AS UM, THE BUFFERS AND THE REGULATIONS.
UH, I BELIEVE CURRENTLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WE DON'T HAVE VERY STRINGENT REGULATIONS AND THEIRS ARE, ARE LESS RESTRICTIVE.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME IF THEY PULL OUT THEN, UH, THE ETJ, THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH LESS STRINGENT EITHER WAY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T DO THOSE IN THE ETJ.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE WEIRD THINGS.
IT'S JUST EITHER WAY IT'S NOT GREAT, BUT OKAY.
UM, THE THOUGHT PROCESS AGAIN WAS THE GOAL WAS WATER QUALITY.
IF, IF WE'RE CLEANING OURS, SHOULD THE PERSON UPSTREAM BE ALLOWED.
SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE DRAFT CURRENTLY.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE DRAFT, WE JUST FINALIZED KIND OF, NOT EVEN ALL OF IT, JUST THE FORM RECENTLY THIS WEEK.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
OH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS COUNCIL DOES ASK A QUESTION.
I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON, UH, IF WE WIND UP PASSING THIS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOBBY THE COUNTY ON LOOKING AT FOR THEMSELVES ON PASSING MORE STRICT REQUIREMENTS? IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE'LL PROBABLY REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
THEIR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UM, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
SO SOMETIMES WE WORK TOGETHER ON THOSE.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE DEVELOPING THERE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL REACH OUT TO US TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PLATTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU CAN DEFINITELY LOBBY WHOEVER YOU WANT, MA'AM.
I'M STILL KIND OF LEARNING EVERYTHING, SO THANK YOU.
AGAINST MY, UM, IMPERVIOUS, UH, COVER CONTRIBUTES REALLY TO AMBIENT TEMPERATURE INCREASES.
AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE MINIMIZE IMPERVIOUS COVER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE COULD INCREASE AMBIENT TEMPERATURES BY FIVE TO 10 DEGREES, UM, AS FAST AS WE'RE GROWING IN THIS AREA.
SO WE, WE SHOULD, THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COORDINATED WITH OUR TREE AND NATIVE PLANT ORDINANCES.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN, UH, PRESERVATION OF TREE COVER FOR THE SAME REASON.
UM, FOR PARKS, UM, THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME CON CONSIDERATION RELATED TO LIMITING FERTILIZER AND HERBICIDES THAT WOULD GO THEN DIRECTLY INTO A BODY OF WATER OR INTO THE AQUIFER.
I THINK, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT REGS WILL, WILL ADDRESS THAT.
SO THEY DO HAVE A PESTICIDES MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO UTILIZE AS PART OF THIS.
BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKS IS ALSO FOLLOWING THAT.
ESPECIALLY FERTILIZER AND HERBICIDES.
AND WE CAN GET OUR CONSERVATION TEAM INCLUDED ON THAT.
UM, BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WHEN WE USE LESS POTENT HERBICIDES.
NOT THAT I WANNA USE 'EM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE SOLUTIONS BEHIND THAT AND WE GO THE MORE ORGANIC WAY, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE EXPERTS ON THAT ONE.
UM, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO ADDRESS THE TREES AS PART OF THIS, BUT WE, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'LL PROBABLY BE BETTER DONE AT AS PART OF THE TREE ORDINANCE, UM, NOT PART OF THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, IF WE NEED TO PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE IN THE INTERIM, MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT.
IF WE FEEL, IF WE FEEL WE NEED A BANDAID, UM, I WILL SAY, UM, THIS ORDINANCE MAY CONFLICT WITH EXISTING RULES AND REGULATIONS, UM, CONVERSATIONS WHERE INSTEAD OF GOING BACK AND TRYING TO AMEND ALL OF THOSE OLD RULES AND REGS AND FINDING THEM, WE MAY JUST ADD A CAVEAT IN THIS THAT SAYS IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT THAT
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SUPERSEDES.SO, UM, AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH CODE REWRITES AND WE CLEAN UP STUFF, WE CAN TACKLE THAT THEN VERSUS TRYING TO BRING THREE OR FOUR ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AT ONE TIME TO YOU TO, TO GET THIS ONE DONE.
IF I DON'T SEE YOU AND HAVE A HAPPY FOURTH.
I'M NEXT AGENDA ITEM TWO, RECEIVE
[III.2) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback regarding Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) Customer Portal.]
A REPORT, HOLDER A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING ADVANCED MEDIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS A MI, UH, CUSTOMER PORTAL ITEM PRESENTER, MIKE MURPHY.MIKE MURPHY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.
SO TONIGHT WE'VE GOT THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
SO IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND JUST RECOGNIZE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF THAT'S WORKED ON ALL OF THESE FOUR ITEMS. WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE A MI PROJECT.
WE'RE GOING TO THEN GO TO, UM, THE UTILITIES, UH, WATER UTILITIES, PUBLIC WORKS, TRANSPORTATION HEADQUARTERS, FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND THEN, UM, WE'LL GO TO THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, THE UPDATE TO THAT PLAN.
AND WE'LL CLOSE OUT WITH, UM, FEEDBACK REGARDING WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM.
SO THE STAFF MEMBERS I'D LIKE TO REC, UH, RECOGNIZE WHO WORKED ON THIS AND SPEND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MAN HOURS WORKING ON THESE PROJECTS TO GET 'EM TO THIS POINT TONIGHT.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING 'EM TO YOU.
WE HOPE THEY'RE VERY, ALL VERY POSITIVE FOR COUNCIL.
BUT WE'VE GOT CHRIS ARNOLD, WHO IS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATIONS HERE.
UM, MICHAEL IS OUR COLLECTIONS AND DISTRIBUTION FOREMAN.
WE'VE GOT WARREN CHRISTIAN WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
TIM SANFORD, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES BACK IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM THERE.
WE GOT, UH, NEXT TO HIM, MIKE VAN WINKLE.
AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAVE MET THESE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN BEFORE, BUT MICHAEL IS THE, UH, TREATMENT OPERATIONS DIVISION MANAGER.
WE'VE GOT JESSICA WRIGHT, JESSICA SITTING NEXT TO TIM.
JESSICA IS OUR WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR THAT YOU'VE, I'M SURE YOU'VE MET ON OCCASION.
UM, WE'VE GOT CARL CASSAR WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
CALL, UM, I KNOW Y'ALL MET HIM IN SOME OF OUR TRIPS, FIELD TRIPS OUT IN INTO THE WATER, UH, WASTEWATER WORLD.
UH, HE IS OUR WATER PRODUCTION COORDINATOR.
UM, WE'VE GOT BLAKE NENDO, BLAKE AND BLAKE AND I ARE GONNA BE TAG TEAMING ON THIS FIRST PRESENT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE TAG TEAMING ON THIS FIRST PRESENTATION ON, UH, A MI.
AND THEN, UH, I WANNA RECOGNIZE ALLISON, ALLISON KELLY, WHO HAS PLAYED A BIG PART IN THIS AND IS GONNA BE, UH, BE HELPING US WITH THE ROLLOUT OF THE, UM, THE A MI PROGRAM AND ALSO OUR WATER, OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, AND MANY, MANY OTHER THINGS.
BUT SHE'S A, SHE'S A KEY PLAYER IN OUR, UH, WHAT A UTILITY DEPARTMENT.
AND WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALLISON.
SHE'S THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T FORGET ANYBODY IF I DID.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA START TONIGHT WITH, UH, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, UM, A MI CUSTOMER PORTAL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, UM, GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT AND I HOPE YOU FIND THIS INTERESTING AND IS AND VERY POSITIVE.
SO THE CITY OF KYLE HAS SPENT THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS UPGRADING ITS WATER METER SYSTEM TO IMPLO, UH, TO IMPLEMENT WHAT IS CALLED ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT WE CALL IT A MI TECHNOLOGY WITH THE CONVERSION OF ALL CITY WATER METERS.
NOW COMPLETE STAFF HAS BEGUN ROLLING OUT THE CITY WATER METER OR THE CITY, UM, UH, CUSTOMER, UH, FACING PORTAL THAT ALLOWS WATER CUSTOMERS TO VIEW THEIR WATER USAGE DATA ON AN HOURLY BASIS.
A MI PROVIDES A GREATER TRANSPARENCY BY GIVING CUSTOMERS NEAR REALTIME ACCESS TO THEIR WATER CONSUMPTION, WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW, HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE HERE LATELY ABOUT, UH, WATER CONSUMPTION FROM OUR CITIZENS.
SO THE SUMMARY OF THIS IS THROUGH THE PORTAL.
CUSTOMERS CAN MONITOR HOURLY, QUARTER, HOURLY WATER USE, UH, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND CONSUMPTION PATTERNS AND IDENTIFY POTEN POTENTIAL ISSUES.
THE SYSTEM ALSO PROVIDES CONTINUOUS FLOW, UM, OR LEAK ALERTS, ENABLING CUSTOMERS TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS PROMPTLY AND HELPING PREVENT UNEXPECTEDLY HIGH WATER BILLS CAUSED BY AN UNDETECTED LEAK OR SOME PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE HAVING AT YOUR HOUSE OR BUSINESS.
CUSTOMERS ARE ABLE TO, TO SET USAGE ALERTS ON THEIR ACCOUNTS TO RECEIVE NOTIFICATION BEFORE REACHING A HIGHER TIER OF CONSUMPTION AND REVIEW HOW MUCH THEY TRULY ARE USING WHEN IRRIGATING THEIR LAWN.
A MI IS A VALUABLE TOOL THAT HELPS
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BOTH THE CUSTOMER AND THE CITY ACHIEVE WATER CONSERVATION GOALS.AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GO BACK OVER, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SIDE.
YOU, YOU SAW IT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT THE A MI WATER METER PROJECT, UM, CONSISTED OF REPLACING AND OR REPROGRAMMING OF APPROXIMATELY 15,000 WATER METERS.
COW WATER UTIL UTILITY STAFF LED BY WARREN CHRISTIAN AND MIKE BRISTOL.
AND, UH, WE COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF THESE GUYS.
BUT CAL WATER UTILITY STAFF PERFORMED MODIFICATIONS ON APPROXIMATELY 4,000 METER BOX LIDS IN PREPARATION FOR THE PROJECT.
SAVING THE CITY IN ESTIMATED $100,000.
CAL WATER UTILITY STAFF PERFORMED MAINTENANCE ON APPROXIMATELY 15,000 WATER METERS IN PREPARATION FOR THE PROJECT, RESULTING IN AN APPROXIMATE SAVINGS OF $190,000.
SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS RELATED TO OVERALL WATER SYSTEM LOSS AND INCREASED REVENUE.
A MI REDUCES LABOR AND EQUIPMENT COST AS COMPARED TO CURRENT MANUAL WATER METER READING OPERATIONS.
AN ESTIMATED NET SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY 2 MILLION TO $3 MILLION BY MODIFYING THOUSANDS OF EXISTING METERS.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THAT'S ACTUALLY, I KNOW, ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN THIS ROOM BEFORE, BUT THAT IS OUR BREAKOUT ROOM OR OUR FLEET SERVICES OPERATIONS ROOM, OR MORE, MORE LIKELY A GARAGE.
WE HOLD A LOT OF OUR MEETINGS.
AND SO BY DOING THIS EXTRA WORK, IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS TO THE CITY.
AND SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THESE GUYS.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO GET BLAKE TO COME UP.
BLAKE HAS, UH, UM, GOT EXPERIENCE IN THIS.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BLAKE, HE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC COS OVER IN BUTTA FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND SO WE WERE LUCKY TO GET HIM ON BOARD.
AND THEY RECENTLY, I'LL SAY RECENTLY PLAYING WITH THE NEXT, LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS PROCESS IN BUTTA.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR BLAKE TO GET TO KNOW YOU, AND YOU GET TO KNOW BLAKE AND HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PORTAL ACCESS.
MAYOR CITY COUNCIL OF BLAKE NANDOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.
UH, HAPPY TO BE HERE AND PRESENT THIS.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A, A LONG TIME COMING FOR THE CITY AS, AS MR. MURPHY POINTED OUT.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU KIND OF A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SNEAK PEEK, UH, OF THE ACTUAL PORTAL, UH, AND ALSO THE RES RESIDENCE OF, OF KYLE.
UH, WE'RE NOT QUITE READY TO ROLL THIS OUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE.
UM, SO WE, WE HAVE CREATED A, A WEBSITE, A WEBPAGE THAT WILL HAVE A WHOLE SLEW OF INFORMATION, UH, FAQS, KIND OF A, A USER GUIDE.
SO AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE LOGGING INTO THE SYSTEM, YOU CAN REFERENCE BACK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
OF COURSE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE, UH, GREAT 3 1 1, UM, STAFF AND, AND, UH, CLARISSA AND, AND UTILITY BUILDING THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'LL ALSO BE HELPING OUT WITH, UH, WITH CUSTOMERS WITH ANY ASSISTANCE ON THIS.
BUT THIS, THIS WILL BE A HOMEPAGE, UH, GOOD REFERENCE POINT FOR, FOR CUSTOMERS TO GO TO.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE VIDEOS ON HERE THAT WILL COVER THIS, UH, A LOT MORE SUCCINCTLY THAN, THAN I WILL DURING THIS PRESENTATION.
UH, AND IT ALSO FEATURE, UM, MS. WRIGHT IN THOSE VIDEOS.
UH, SO FROM THAT WEBSITE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE, THE HOME, THE LANDING PAGE, WHICH IS THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
SO IN ORDER TO SIGN UP FOR THE CUSTOMER PORTAL, YOU'LL ENTER YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER AND THE ZIP CODE FOR KYLE, AND THEN YOU'LL HIT FIND MY ACCOUNT.
UH, IF IT FINDS YOUR ACCOUNT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IT'LL GIVE YOU THE GREEN CHECK.
WE FIND YOUR ACCOUNT, AT WHICH POINT YOU CAN THEN ENTER YOUR EMAIL AND A PASSWORD AND CREATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, WATER SMART CUSTOMER PORTAL ACCOUNT.
FROM THERE, IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THIS HOMEPAGE THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
AND OVER THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES, WE'LL KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE, LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT THE HOMEPAGE THERE, IT'LL SHOW YOU YOUR, YOUR DAILY WATER USAGE BROKE DOWN BY A GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, IT'LL GIVE YOU A SCORECARD, SO IT'LL COMPARE YOU TO, TO OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A, A RESIDENT OF KYLE.
UM, THEY MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF IMPROVEMENT ON, ON THEIR, ON THEIR USAGES DESIGNED, JUST RANDOMLY PICKED ONE.
SO, UH, FROM THERE, UH, WE ALSO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOTIFICATIONS.
THIS IS JUST A, A, A LANDING PAGE, UH, TO DIVE DEEPER INTO A WHOLE BUNCH OF GREAT USEFUL INFORMATION.
UM, HIGHLIGHTED UP AT THE TOP, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOMEPAGE BILLING TRACK, UH, TAKE ACTIONS AND SETTINGS ON THIS PAGE.
UM, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THE, THE TRACK.
THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND ACTUALLY TRACK YOUR WATER USAGE.
SO WHEN WE PULL UP THAT WEBPAGE, UH, YOU'LL GET A SUMMARY OF, UM, OF YOUR MONTHLY USAGE.
YOU CAN CHECK YOUR, YOUR DAILY USAGE.
AND THEN, AS MR. MURPHY SAID EARLIER, EVEN DOWN TO THE HOURLY
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USAGE.UM, SO IF YOU WANNA SCOLD YOUR TEENAGER FOR TAKING TOO LONG OF A SHOWER, THEN DO YOU HAVE THE DATA TO BACK THAT UP.
SO, UM, YOU CAN ALSO COMPARE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MONTHLY USAGE OVER TIME, SO YOU CAN GET A COMPARISON OF, OF WHERE YOU WERE LAST YEAR VERSUS THIS YEAR.
AND THEN THERE AT THE BOTTOM AS WELL.
IT'LL GIVE YOU, UH, WE'VE UPLOADED YOUR HISTORICAL INFORMATION IN THERE TOO.
SO 20 22, 20 23, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU STAND.
UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE OTHER TABS.
THERE'S JUST TAKE ACTION AND SETTINGS.
SO ON THE TAKE, TAKE ACTIONS, UH, TAB, IT'LL BRING UP, UH, RECOMMENDED ACTIONS.
FROM HERE, UH, YOU CAN GET, UH, MORE INFORMATION ON, ON WAYS TO MAYBE, UH, IMPROVE YOUR WATER USAGE WITHIN YOUR HOME.
THIS WILL BE SOMEWHAT CUSTOM TO, UH, THE TRACKING KIND OF YOUR, YOUR WATER USAGE PATTERNS, THE, THE, THAT IT'S, SEE, SO IF IT SEES THAT YOU'RE WATERING OR IRRIGATING A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT MAY GIVE YOU SOME OF THOSE TIPS THAT COME UP.
MAY BE MORE OUTDOOR WATER USE ORIENTED.
IF YOU'RE HAVING A TOILET LEAK AND IT'S BEEN DETECTED, IT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME, SOME HELP ON THAT.
WE HAVE SOME REBATES, UM, THAT, THAT THE CITY OFFERS.
THOSE, THOSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A GREEN LITTLE, UM, TAB AT THE TOP ON THAT, UH, AERATOR.
SO THERE'S ANY, ANY CITY REBATES THAT WE'RE OFFERING, YOU CAN CLICK IN ON THOSE AND IT'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH D UH, MORE INFORMATION TO GO INTO, UH, TO SEE HOW TO TRACK DOWN THOSE REBATES.
UH, ONE THING THAT WE DO ENCOURAGE, UH, CUSTOMERS TO DO IS ON THE, ON THAT SETTINGS TAB, WHICH IS THE, ON THE, KIND OF THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE, UH, IS UPDATE THROUGH COMMUNICATION PREFERENCES.
SO FROM THERE, YOU CAN GO IN, UH, ADD YOUR, ADD ADDITIONAL USERS IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, UH, YOU CAN ADD IN EMAIL ADDRESS, MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR PHONE NUMBERS, EMAILS, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF IS, IS UPDATED.
BUT THE REAL BENEFIT HERE IS, IS YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATIONS.
SO, UH, IF YOU WANNA BE NOTIFIED, IF YOU HAVE HIGH USE, IF YOU'RE USING 1, 2, 3 TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT YOU TYPICALLY DO, YOU CAN HAVE THAT CHECKED.
YOU CAN CHECK EMAIL, A TEXT MESSAGE OR A VOICEMAIL, UH, TO BE ALERTED ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THAT, MAYBE HIGHER THAN NORMAL USAGE.
UH, IF YOU WANT A, A BILL FORECAST, IF YOU KNOW EVERYONE'S, UH, WATCHING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FINANCES AND, AND, AND THE COSTS THAT, THAT THEY HAVE IS WITH THEIR BUDGET.
IF, UH, YOU WANT TO BE NOTIFIED WHEN YOU'RE GOING OVER A CERTAIN, OR ANTICIPATED TO GO OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, OF, OF MONEY ON YOUR WATER BILL, YOU CAN SET THAT, THAT, UH, NOTIFICATION FOR, FOR THAT AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE GOING OUTTA TOWN THE SUMMERTIME, EVERYONE GOES GOING TO THE BEACH OR, OR SOMEWHERE ON VACATION.
YOU CAN SET A UNPLANNED AND USE NOTIFICATION.
SO IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT FOR A COUPLE WEEKS OR A WEEK, UM, YOU CAN SET THAT.
IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT DAILY THRESHOLD TO CHANGE AT ALL, 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT THERE, YOU CAN BE NOTIFIED IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, YOU'RE HOT WATER HEATER GOES OUT.
UM, A REALLY USEFUL, VALUABLE TOOL.
UH, WE'LL GET INTO SOME, SOME MORE CONTINUOUS USE LEAK NOTIFICATIONS HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES.
THE OTHER THING FROM A UTILITY SIDE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, SO IF WE HAD A BOIL WATER NOTICE, IF WE HAD SOME WINTER WEATHER OR SOME TYPE OF, UH, ADVANCED WARNING THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT, WE CAN ALSO DO THIS FROM THIS WATER, FROM THIS PORTAL.
WE CAN SEND PUSH TEXT MESSAGES.
WE CAN SEND VOICE ALERTS ON, ON IMMEDIATE NOTICE.
UH, JUST ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX TO, TO HELP, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH, WITH OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO SPEAKING OF, OF, I DON'T LIKE TO NECESSARILY USE THE WORD LEAK ALERT, UH, CONTINUOUS USE ALERT.
UM, SO IF YOU, IF YOU GET THOSE, 'CAUSE WHAT WHAT WE'LL END UP SEEING IS, IS OVER 90% OF THESE WILL BE, UH, RELATED TO TOILETS.
UM, WE'RE MORE THAN LIKELY LOOKING AT ONE HERE.
THIS IS FROM AN ACTUAL RESIDENT, AND KYLE LEFT HAND SIDE IS, IS DAILY WATER USE.
SO YOU CAN SEE OVER THREE DAY PERIOD THEY HAD A LEAK.
UH, RIGHT HAND SIDE JUST IS, IS IF YOU CLICK IN ON ONE OF THOSE DAYS, THEN IT BRINGS UP YOUR HOURLY USAGE FOR THAT WHOLE ENTIRE DAY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR HOURLY USAGE OVER THAT ENTIRE DAY.
UM, THAT'S 130 GALLONS OF WATER PER HOUR THAT THEY, THEY HAD CONTINUOUS USE, UM, AND THEY FOUND WHAT WAS GOING ON, PROBABLY JIGGLED THE TOILET HANDLE.
AND IT STOPPED THERE AROUND NOON, AND THEY WENT BACK TO BACK TO, UH, THEIR, THEIR TYPICAL WATER USE.
SO OVER, OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT WAS, THAT WAS 5,300 GALLONS OVER THAT THREE DAY PERIOD, A TOILET CAN USE A LOT OF WATER.
UH, I, I'VE SEEN THEM, UH, ONCE PEOPLE ARE ACTIVE AND, AND GO ON THERE, IT'LL HELP THEM GUIDE THEM THROUGH POSSIBLE SCENARIOS ON WHERE TO FIND THIS LEAK.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, MAJORITY OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE YOUR TOILETS.
GET SOME FOOD DYE, PUT IT IN THE BACK OF YOUR TANK, WATCH IT FLOW INTO THE BOWL.
IF IT FLOWS INTO THE BOWL, YOU HAVE A LEAK.
YOU PROBABLY NEED TO REPLACE YOUR FLAPPER, UM, 180,
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ALMOST 200 GALLONS PER HOUR THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM A TOILET USE.SO IF YOU HAVE A, A BATHROOM UPSTAIRS THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY USE, BATHROOM THAT YOU DON'T GO INTO, BUT YOUR KIDS USE, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
I'VE SEEN IT, UH, FOR SIX PLUS YEARS OF, OF, OF, OF WORKING IN THE, IN THE THIS CUSTOMER PORTAL.
SO THIS IS A, A SCREEN GRAB FROM, UM, ONCE YOU'RE ABLE TO GO IN THERE, YOU, YOU CAN SEE, SO THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, IT'S, IT'S 179 GALLONS PER HOUR, AS I WAS REFERENCING.
THE TOILET HAS BEEN RUNNING SINCE EARLY IN THE MORNING.
SO THEY HAD, UH, SEVERAL THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER THAT, THAT WERE USED FROM A, FROM A TOILET LEAK.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS A BROKEN PIPE IN YARD.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS HOURLY USAGE OVER TIME.
SO IT'S INCREASING AS THAT CRACK IS GROWING.
SO, AND THAT, AND THAT DAY, THAT'S, THAT'S 7,500 GALLONS OF WATER THAT THAT LEAKED OUT FROM A, FROM A PIPE THAT HAD AN IRRIGATION PIPE THAT HAD BROKEN IN THEIR YARD.
UM, AND THEY RECEIVED THOSE NOTIFICATIONS FROM, FROM THE PORTAL, UM, ALERTING THEM.
SO THIS INFORMATION IS UPDATED.
UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S, SO IT'S HOURLY, IT'S NOT REAL TIME, IT'S NEAR REAL TIME.
IT'S SET TO BE PULLED IN, UM, I THINK A COUPLE TIMES PER DAY.
UM, BUT SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AS QUICK OF INFORMATION TO THE, TO THE CUSTOMERS AS AS POSSIBLE TO, TO PROVIDE THEM WITH SOME ADVANCED NOTICE.
UH, SO IF YOU SEE ORANGE, THAT'S USUALLY TYPICALLY INDICATING A CONTINUOUS USE.
UH, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE I, I KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES LOOK.
SO THE CITY VIEW IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHEN A CUSTOMER WOULD SEE WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, IT HAS SOME BUILT-IN AI RECOGNITION BASED OFF A TIME, TIME PATTERN, SEEN THE SAME TIME PERIOD OVER TIME, UH, HOURLY USAGE, SAME VOLUMES, AND REALIZE THAT THAT'S SOME TYPE OF TIME USAGE, WHICH FOR THE MOST PART IS GONNA BE IRRIGATION.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL IS WATERING, UH, ONE DAY PER WEEK.
I DON'T, I, I WATER ONE DAY PER WEEK.
UH, WHY IS MY WATER BILL SO HIGH? WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, EVERY TIME THAT THEY'RE WATERING, THEY'RE USING, THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL IS USING 1800 GALLONS OF WATER.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE AT THE BOTTOM FROM THE CITY VIEW.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OVER A MONTH PERIOD OF TIME.
YET OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO, UH, IRRIGATION USAGE.
SO THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS, IS INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND, AND VIEW THEIR USAGE.
IF THEY DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE WATERING THAT MUCH, THEY CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OF THEIR TIME.
THE OTHER BENEFIT IS, UM, IN THIS EXAMPLE, AT THIS PERIOD OF TIME, THEY'RE SETTING TO WATER TWICE, TWICE PER WEEK.
UM, WHICH WAS THE, UH, APPROPRIATE SCHEDULE, UM, FROM THIS TIME PERIOD, UM, CALLED IN WITH A, WITH A HIGH BILL.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, SEE WHAT, WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLY GOING IN.
SO IF WE CLICK IN ON ONE OF THE DAY, THEY'RE WATERING BOTH IN THE MORNING AND IN THE EVENING, WELL, THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY, THEY HAD THEIR IRRIGATION.
THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD THEIR IRRIGATION SCHEDULE SET TO THIS WATER IN THE MORNING.
DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A WHOLE NOTHER SCHEDULED PROGRAM THAT WAS ALSO WATERING IN THAT EVENING.
SO BY BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS PORTAL, THEY WERE ABLE TO GO IN, REALIZE THAT, MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, BRING THEIR WATER USAGE DOWN, AND, UH, SAVE THEMSELVES, UH, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WANTING OF, OF, OF MONEY.
SO, AND ALSO THE, FOR THE CITY, FROM THE UTILITY SIDE, SAVE US OF, OF, OF WATER THAT WE HAD TO PRO PRODUCE AND PROVIDE TO THEM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ALSO A COST FOR US.
SO, UM, UH, UM, A LITTLE DATA POINT HERE.
UM, TYPICALLY, SO OFF OF THIS, OVER 10% OF THE WATER USE THAT WE SEE FROM HOMES, FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS ATTRIBUTED TO SOME, SOME SORT OF LEAK.
SO THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS FOR US AS A UTILITY, AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN BUTTA WAS AROUND 1% OF A PRODUCTION.
SO 1% MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT WHEN YOU DO THE MATH AND WE'RE PRODUCING OVER A BILLION GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR AS A UTILITY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF WATER.
THE, THE CHEAPEST WATER THAT WE HAVE AS THE WATER WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON US.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, TO SAVE AS A UTILITY AND BE MORE EFFICIENT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR US.
THAT'S ALSO A HUGE BENEFIT TO OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS WHO, WHO DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT, THAT PRICE AND CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, UH, TO THEIR CONSUMPTION.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE APPROACHING, UH, STAFF TRAINING WAS, WAS HELD IN MID-JUNE, UH, ON THE, THE FAMILIARIZE WITH THE CUSTOMER PORTAL.
UH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME FINAL REVIEW OF SOME
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DATA.UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, I THINK THE AQUA METRICS HAS GONE THROUGH ABOUT 14,000 OF ACCOUNTS.
WE HAVE ABOUT 2000 MORE LEFT TO GO.
WE'RE APPROACHING THE 90TH MINUTE AND THE, AND THE MATCH, AND THE, THE OFFICIALS HAVE CALLED A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA, EXTRA STOPPAGE TIME.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO ROLL THIS OUT IN, IN EARLY AUGUST TO CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND WE'RE ARE VERY EXCITED AS A CITY TO PROVIDE THIS, PROVIDE SOME TRANSPARENCY TO OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS.
AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO ROLLING THIS OUT AND, AND ALLOWING, ALLOWING OUR RESIDENTS TO BE MORE EMPOWERED ON THEIR WATER USAGE.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA START WITH MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS, AND WE'LL GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.
UM, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, UH, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN DETAIL ON ALL THAT, BUT, SO IT'S, IT'S GREAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY.
YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY ASKED LIKE FOR TWICE A MONTH UPDATES ON THIS MM-HMM
SO, UM, YEAH, I'VE BEEN VERY EXCITED ABOUT GETTING TO THIS POINT.
UH, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT.
I MEAN, ALMOST EVERYBODY I KNOW HAS HAD AT LEAST SOME KIND OF A LEAK SITUATION OF SOME KIND.
AND THIS WOULD'VE ALERTED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER AND WOULD'VE SAVED US, UH, THE, THE TIME, THE MONEY, THE WATER, I MEAN, JUST THE, THIS, THIS FITS WITH OUR OVERALL WATER PLAN TO A T SO THE, THE FASTER WE CAN GET THIS THING UP AND GOING.
AND, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE TIED TO THE SAME PORTAL THAT WE ALREADY LOG INTO FOR, UH, FOR LIKE BILL PAYING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
OR IS THIS GOING TO REPLACE IT? WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE? IT, IT WILL NOT.
SO THIS, THIS WILL BE A SEPARATE LOGIN.
UM, IF WE GO BACK A FEW SLIDES TO THAT HOMEPAGE, UM, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY, THE BILL, THERE IS A BILLING TAB ON THERE.
SO IF YOU DO CLICK ON THAT, IT'LL GIVE YOUR FORECAST, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES A LINK TO THEN GO INTO, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL SHOOT YOU OVER TO THE, TO THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN MAKE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PAYMENT.
I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING TO SLOW THE LAUNCH OF THIS, BUT AT SOME POINT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF INTEGRATED IN WITH THE APP AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO ACCESS.
WE, WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE, UH, AND YOU TO, UH, THROUGH A A DIFFERENT, GOING A DIFFERENT THROUGH A VENDOR, A DIFFERENT VENDOR, UH, WE ALSO SAW, UH, A PROBABLY DOUBLING OF, OF PARTICIPATION IN, IN THE ACTUAL, UH, CUSTOMER PORTAL AS WELL TOO.
I THINK, I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE THAT, THAT UNDERSTAND AND, AND, AND CAN EASILY ACCESS THIS INFORMATION, OBVIOUSLY THE BETTER IT'S GONNA BE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF IT.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
I REALLY AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS ROLLOUT.
UM, A PERFECT EXAMPLE IS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WENT ON VACATION, AND I WAS WALKING BY HER HOUSE AND THERE WAS WATER RUNNING OUT ALONG THE YARD DOWN TO THE STREET.
UM, AND SOME KID HAD TURNED ON HER FAUCET.
NOW, IF I HADN'T COME WALKING BY AND CALLED HER AND SAID, HEY, YOU, YOU DON'T INTEND THIS, RIGHT? UM, THEN IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT NOBODY WOULD'VE NOTICED AND THEY WOULD'VE HAD A HUGE BILL, BUT THIS WOULD NOTIFY THEM AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA, NO QUESTIONS.
PRESENTATION WAS GREAT, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO USE THIS.
AND COUNCIL MEMBER GZA, UH, MY THOUGHTS WERE JUST ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY'S AND EVENTUALLY BEING ABLE TO INTEGRATE THE TWO TOGETHER.
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE VERY EXCITED FOR THIS, UM, AND I THINK IT'LL BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO, GREAT JOB, UM,
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE JUST EXCITED ABOUT IT.
YEAH, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE GONNA DO THIS IN 20 21, 20 20 22.
IT WAS LIKE HONEYWELL WAS GONNA BE IT.
AND SO SEEING THIS, ACTUALLY, YEAH, THAT'S BEEN COMING FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M THE TYPE THAT I LEAVE MY WATER ON, ON ACCIDENT, AND SO THIS IS MADE FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, SO I, I DO APPRECIATE IT.
AND, AND BLAKE TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT, AND ALLISON IS GONNA HELP US WITH THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF HOW TO VIDEOS,
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND TRY TO DISCERN WHAT BLAKE WAS TALKING ABOUT ON, UH, IN, IN HIS PORTAL PRESENTATION.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG HELP.
AND SO, LIKE WE SAID, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ROLL THIS OUT SOMETIME IN EARLY AUGUST, AND IT WILL HAVE A, AND, AND
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I'LL, I'VE SEEN THE VIDEO AND IT'S AMAZING.JESSICA DID THE, UH, IS OUR SPEAKER ON THE PRESENTATION AND SHE DID AN AWESOME JOB.
AND IT MAKES IT VERY SIMPLE TO FOLLOW AND IT GIVES YOU, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED, LIKE COUNCILMAN MCKINNEY WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT HOW YOU CAN ACCESS THIS AND YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR INFORMATION ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO CONTACT YOU.
IF SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR DR. HARRIS IS TALKING ABOUT, IF SOMEBODY HAS A, A, A PROBLEM AT THEIR HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A NUMBER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ON VACATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, ONCE PEOPLE GET USED TO USING THIS, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT TOOL, UH, FOR OUR CITIZENS.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SO READY TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
[III.3) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on the new Water Utilities and Public Works & Transportation headquarters complex. ]
THREE, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON THE NEW WATER, UTILITIES AND PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION HEADQUARTERS COMPLEX.SO THANK YOU MAYOR COUNSEL AGAIN, MIKE MURPHY.
SO THIS ONE IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.
THIS WAS AT THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UH, WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TO YOU AS AN ITEM, AS A, AS A PROPOSAL TO START THE, THE PROCESS TOWARDS, UM, IDENTIFYING AND LOCATING A PUBLIC OR WATER UTILITY PUBLIC WORKS, UH, OPERATIONS FACILITY.
WE HIRED RANDALL SCOTT ARCHITECTS TO DO THE WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE RANDALL SCOTT IS WITH ME TONIGHT, RANDALL.
UM, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, RANDALL HAS BECOME PART OF OUR WATER PUBLIC WORKS TEAM.
UH, WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER PREPARING THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND SO WE'LL QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THIS AND, UM, AND JUST KIND OF REMIND YOU OF, UH, WHY WE, WHY WE WERE DOING THIS, WHY WE WERE DOING THIS STUDY.
AND SO, UM, BACK IN FEBRUARY, STAFF RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON THREE POTENTIAL SITES TO DETERMINE THE MOST SUITABLE LOCATION TO ACCOMMODATE WATER UTILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.
COMPLEX STAFF WORK WITH RANDALL SCOTT ARCHITECTS TO DEVELOP CONCEPTUAL OR DEVELOP CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS AND COST ESTIMATES, UM, FOR FACILITIES WITH THE FOLLOWING, UH, CRITERIA.
SO, UM, OUR GOAL WAS TO, UH, DEVELOP A 15 YEAR BUILD OUT PLAN THAT COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE 200 EMPLOYEES, WHICH INCLUDED LOCKER ROOM SHOWERS, TRAINING SPACE, MEETING SPACE, A FLEET FUELING FACILITY, A VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT WASH STATION FLEET MAINTENANCE COVERED IN UNCOVERED EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL STORAGE AND DEDICATED PARKING AREAS FOR EMPLOYEES AND VISITORS.
BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT IS THE OVERALL PROPOSED FACILITY WILL, WILL IMPROVE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY, ENHANCE COORDINATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS, AND PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT CONTINUED GROWTH WHILE BETTER PROTECTING CITY VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS, AND CRITICAL ASSETS OF ENVIRONMENTAL EXPOSURE.
SO THE EVALUATION OPTIONS THAT COUNCIL GAVE US WAS, UM, RENOVATING THE CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, UH, PUBLIC WORKS SITE THAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN TO.
TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THE CITY OF KYLE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, AND, UH, FINALLY THE PROPOSED 25 ACRE TRACT LOCATED NEAR THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
AND THIS, THIS PARTICULAR 25 ACRE TRACT STARTED AS I THINK AROUND 13, UM, POSSIBILITIES AND THEN POSSIBILITIES THAT COUNSEL SENT US FOR US TO INVESTIGATE.
AND SO WHAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IN THIS PRESENTATION, I'VE GOT MY BUDDY HERE, RANDALL, AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THESE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, JUST OBVIOUSLY FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AND RANDALL WILL COME UP HERE AND ADDRESS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD, WE'LL CONTINUE.
SO HERE ARE THE THREE SITES THAT, THAT WE'VE NARROWED THE PROJECT LOCATION DOWN TO, AND WE OVERLAID THIS AND, UH, ON AN AERIAL PHOTO.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, WHERE WE ARE, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IS JUST THIS SIDE OF, UH, 35 OR THE OTHER SIDE OF 35, RIGHT BY UH, UH, UH, RANCH TO MARKET ROAD ONE 50.
AND SO THAT'S AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE IN THAT ORANGE COLORED, UH, SECTION.
AND IF YOU JUST KIND OF GO CLOCKWISE AROUND, YOU GO TO THE, THE, UH, 25 ACRE TRACT, WHICH IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY OFF OF I 35 AND THEN BACK AROUND OFF OFF OF, UH, ONE 50 AND HIDE AND WRIGHT, YOU GOT THE LOCATION OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
SO THESE ARE THE THREE FACILITIES, THESE ARE, ARE NOT FACILITIES, BUT THE THREE SITES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS POSSIBLE FACILITY LOCATION.
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RANDALL TO DO AND HIS TEAM IS TO OVERLAY WHAT THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS FOR THE NEW FACILITY.AND THE, SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, IS THE ONE RIGHT OFF OF IS ON THE, UM, EXISTING PUBLIC WORK SITE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A, A LARGER LAYOUT AND YOU CAN KIND OF GET SITUATED, UM, ON WHERE THIS IS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE, UM, IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE OFF OF ONE 50.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT'S AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS O IS OVER THERE.
AND SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THAT.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, RANDALL, IF YOU WANT TO WALK THROUGH THIS OR I CAN WALK THROUGH THIS, BUT, SO WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PUTTING THE FACILITIES THAT WE DESCRIBED ON THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.
IT INCLUDES A 20, UH, AND, AND I'LL JUST KIND OF GO FROM THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND JUST GO CLOCKWISE AROUND THE, THAT CLOCK OR COUNTERCLOCKWISE AROUND THE PROCESS.
AND IT'S A 28,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, FLEET SERVICE CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES EIGHT BAYS FOR, UH, AND EIGHT TWO-SIDED BAYS FOR, UM, FLEET MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN IT GOES DOWN CONTINUING COUNTERCLOCKWISE, IT GOES, UM, TO THE, UM, HEATED STORAGE FACILITY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PIECES OF LARGE EQUIPMENT THAT IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO COLD TO COLD TEMPERATURES.
WE'VE GOT A LARGE WAREHOUSE, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE TO STORE INDOORS.
ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WATER, UTILITIES, PUBLIC WORKS, TRANSPORTATION, ALL USED ON A DAILY BASIS, WHICH IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THEN THE SORT OF THE THREE GRAY COMPLEXES IN THE CENTER, UH, REPRESENTS VEHICLE STORAGE SITES, COVERED VEHICLE STORAGE SITES FOR OUR EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN THE PARKING LOT WOULD ACCOMMODATE OUR SMALL EQUIPMENT LIKE PICKUPS AND, AND, UH, TWO AND FOUR DOOR CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE AVAILABLE PARKING, UM, FOR OUR GUESTS AND VISITORS.
AND AT THE VERY, VERY BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, WE'VE GOT THE WET WASH DOWN BAY MM-HMM
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE FUELING STATION.
AND THESE, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED, UH, TO HAVE A, AN UPDATED, UM, UM, FACILITY FOR WATER AND, UH, PUBLIC WORKS TRANSPORTATION.
AND IN THE LARGE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT IS GONNA BE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
AND BECAUSE OF THE CLOSED QUARTER, CLOSED QUARTERS OF THE SYSTEM, WE FELT LIKE, UH, THE ONLY WAY WE COULD GET THE PROPER SIZE BUILDING HERE WAS TO GO WITH A THREE STORE FACILITY.
RANDALL, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? SURE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY.
WE'RE, WE'RE HONORED AND, UH, GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO THE, UH, THIS IS A PRETTY SITE TIGHT SITE.
UM, WE HAD TO, IN THIS SCHEME, WE'RE DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S IN THE CENTER.
IT'S A LONG SLIVER THAT KIND OF TAKES UP THE PRIME AREA OF THE SITE.
AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN A SITE LIKE THIS IS TYPICALLY GET AN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IS UP ON THE MAIN ROAD.
SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENCE, A LITTLE BIT OF A CIVIC PRESENCE.
WE'RE TRYING TO DENSIFY THE SITE SO THAT THE EXISTING BUILDING IS PRETTY LINEAR AND SPREAD OUT, TAKES UP A LOT OF THE PRIME REAL ESTATE.
AND SO HERE WE'RE DENSIFYING GOING OVER THE VERTICAL BUILDING THERE AND THE ADMINISTRATION THAT'S UP ON THE, ON THE, UH, FM ONE 50.
UM, IF THE SITE IS TIGHT ENOUGH THAT THE DRAINAGE IS BEING, UH, THE STORM DRAINAGE IS BEING COLLECTED IN A CULVERT RIGHT OFF OF ONE 50, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS PUT THAT UNDERGROUND COVER IT, PAVE OVER THE TOP OF IT, UM, AND, UH, UTILIZE THAT TO EXPAND OUR SITE.
AND THEN ON THE FAR LEFT HAND PLAN WEST SIDE, WE NEED TO PUSH THAT ALL THE WAY UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT A RETAINING WALL THERE.
SO WE NEED TO GET AS MUCH SITE AREA AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE AS MUCH OF THE SITE AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE WAY THE FLOW ON THESE THINGS WORKS IS AN EMPLOYEE COMES TO THE BUILDING, THEY PARK BEHIND THE BUILDING INSIDE THE GATED AREA.
THEY GO TO THAT PARKING AREA IN THE CENTER WHERE ALL THOSE VEHICLES ARE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, THE WHITE ONES ARE UNCOVERED, THEY'RE LIKE PICKUPS AND SEDANS.
THE ONES THAT ARE COVERED ARE THE ONES IN THE CHARCOAL GRAY THAT, THAT HE MENTIONED.
UH, AND THEN, UH, ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY NEED TO GET TO ARE AROUND THE PERIMETER.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME, EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA COME TO THE MAIN BUILDING, GET THEIR ASSIGNMENTS, CHANGE THEIR CLOTHES, GO OUT, GET IN THEIR VEHICLES, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE OVER TO THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
THEY'RE GONNA GET WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE DAY, THEY'RE GONNA FUEL, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT.
AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS THAT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT ALL CITY VEHICLES CAN FUEL AT THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE, THAN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS FURTHER AWAY.
SO, UM, THIS ONE WORKS PRETTY WELL.
UH, IT IS JUST THAT IT'S VERY TIGHT.
AND I GUESS THE ONE BIG DISADVANTAGE HERE IS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF SPACE FOR THEM TO TRAIN AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
SO THAT SORT OF WHITE AREA IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT'S WHERE HEAVY EQUIPMENT TRAINING GOES ON,
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UH, AND WHERE THEY STAGE, UH, MATERIALS AND THINGS THAT THEY BRING INTO THE SITE FOR WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE USED.SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
SO HERE ARE THE, UM, SOME, SOME OF THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED, NOT REALLY ISSUES, BUT UM, UM, THE BREAKOUT OF THE SITE.
SO JUST LOOKING AT THE CHART TO THE LEFT OF THE, UH, THE, UH, PROJECT LAYOUT.
WE'VE GOT THE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ESTIMATED COST RANGE, AND THE ESTIMATED COST RANGE.
AND I'M NO ARCHITECT, BUT I HAVE LEARNED SOME ARCHITECTURE FROM RANDALL.
YOU'VE GOT THE LOW END DEVELOPMENT ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGH END DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THIS PRICE RANGE.
IS THAT CLOSE ENOUGH? YEAH, WE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE MARKET WILL BE OR WHEN THEY'LL, WHEN YOU'LL START CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A BIT OF A RANGE THERE AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT, SO IT COULD BE A VERY MINIMAL, UH, QUALITY OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT NICER.
SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE IN THAT RANGE YOU WANT IT TO BE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A RANGE INSTEAD OF A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
UNTIL WE REALLY HAVE GOOD HARD DOCUMENTS THAT WE CAN BID OUT TO CONTRACTORS, WE CAN'T REALLY GET A FIRM PRICE ON IT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU SORT OF A RANGE.
YOU CAN TELL US, EH, WE'D RATHER BE ON THE LOWER END, OR WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT NICER OR SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, A CHEVROLET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE GOT THE, UH, FACILITY IMPROVE, UH, OR THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING 70,000 SQUARE FEET SOMEWHERE INTO 32 TO $37 MILLION PRICE RANGE.
THEN WE GOT FLEET SERVICES, SAME THING.
UH, 12 TO 12 TO 13 MILLION SITE STRUCTURES AND IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, 14 TO 18 IN A TOTAL COMPLEX COST, SOMEWHERE IN THE 61 TO 71, UH, MILLION DOLLARS PRICE RANGE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE STICKER SHOCK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS NOWADAYS.
UM, AND WE ALSO, UM, PUT TOGETHER PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS AND DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS.
SO ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THE UH, CITY, IT'S, THIS IS ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY, SO THERE WOULD BE NO LAND ACQUISITION, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
IT'S IN A CENTRALIZED LOCATION AND AN ABILITY TO CO-LOCATE WATER, UTILITIES, TRANSPORTATION, AND UH, AND PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, CURRENTLY ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES, EXCEPT FOR TRANSPORTATION, IS CURRENTLY HOUSED IN THIS, AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS, IT WOULD REQUIRE TEMPORARY RELOCATION OF OPERATIONS AND MAY BE, UM, AND IT MAY BE FOR A A PERIOD, UH, DURING REDEVELOPMENT OF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 18 AND 24 MONTHS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW HOW ASSIST, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE IN THE CITY OF KYLE, TRYING TO FIND A SITE LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UH, EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS MAY AFFECT EQUIPMENT MANEUVERABILITY AND OPERATIONS JUST BECAUSE THE COMPACT AREA THAT WE, WE WOULD BE WORKING IN, UM, ADDITIONAL LAY DOWN STORAGE SPACE, UH, MAY BE NECESSARY TO ACQUIRE, UM, AT SOME OTHER LOCATION.
EXISTING STORM WATERS THAT RANDALL TALKED ABOUT, INFRASTRUCTURE MUST BE ACCOMMODATED.
THE GEOTECHNICAL CONDITIONS MAY REQUIRE ENHANCED FOUNDATION DESIGN JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION.
I THINK WE AT ONE TIME TOLD COUNCIL THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY BUILT ON AN OLD WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SITE AND THEN FUTURE ACCESS CONDITIONS ALONG, UH, RANCH TO MARKET ONE 50, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE EVALUATED.
UH, LONG-TERM EXPANSION CAPACITY IS GONNA BE LIMITED.
SO THIS IS REALLY NOT DESIGNED OR BUILT FOR 15 YEAR IMPROVEMENT, ALTHOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE ALL THAT IN.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT, NOT, UH, GONNA ACCOMMODATE THAT.
YOU THINK TO ADD TO THAT ONE? UM, WELL I THINK PROGRAMMATICALLY THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT WE HAVE DO MEET THE 15 YEAR REQUIREMENT, BUT IT WOULD BE BEYOND THAT, THAT WE'D REALLY HAVE DIFFICULTY.
AND AS FAST AS THE CITY'S GROWING, I THINK THAT IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL NEEDS THERE.
SO YEAH, NO, I THINK THAT THAT PRETTY WELL SUMS IT UP.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL CONTINUE ON HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SITE.
WE DID SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.
WHEN I SAY WE, I'M TALKING ABOUT US AND OUR ARCHITECT.
I DON'T, NOT AN ARCHITECT AND I DIDN'T SLEEP AT A HOLIDAY INN, SO I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF RELYING ON RANDALL.
UM, SO ANYHOW, WE GOT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING PLANT SITE, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE OUR CHALLENGE ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO YOU, YOU CAN SEE WE TOOK BASICALLY THE SAME CONCEPT, SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR THE FUELING STATION.
AND ALSO, LET ME SEE IF I'VE GOT A BETTER PICTURE HERE.
YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM, FROM THIS SLIDE, THE, THE WASHINGTON, UH, THE FUELING STATION AND THE WASH DOWN BAYS,
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UH, ARE LOCATED AT THE TOP INSTEAD OF THE BOTTOM.UM, IT STILL IS A THREE STORY SITE JUST BECAUSE OF IMPACT, NATURE OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FACILITY.
UH, THE WAREHOUSE IN IS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, BUT SAME PRINCIPLE, SAME CONCEPT, 12,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, UH, WAREHOUSE.
UM, WE'VE GOT OUR HEATED STORAGE BUILDING AND YOU CAN JUST KIND OF GO AROUND AND SEE EVERYTHING SIMILAR.
WE GOT PARKING FOR, UM, OUR, OUR BASIC EQUIPMENT PARKING, COVERED PARKING FOR OUR, UM, MORE EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, PARKING FOR STAFF AND FOR OUR VISITORS.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT WOULD LOOK.
UM, AND I, THE, THE, I GUESS THE ISSUE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ISSUES, BUT WE'LL GO, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE CHALLENGES ON THIS, ON THIS FACILITY ALSO.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE COSTS ARE VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S NOT TOO FAR OFF, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT JUST BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, AREAS.
AND RANDALL, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT CHART? THE PRICE CHART? UM, I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUES ON THIS SITE ARE THE, THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAD WERE THE ODORS THAT WERE GONNA BE COMING TOWARDS THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GONNA BE WORKING AT THIS SITE.
THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, SOUNDS FROM THE VEHICLES, SIRENS AND THE LIKE.
THAT MIGHT, UH, BE A, A CONCERN FOR, UH, ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
AND ALSO THE LIGHTING, 'CAUSE THAT'S A 24 7 LIT FACILITY, SO THE LIGHTING WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO KEEP FROM FLOWING OVER INTO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND THERE'S AN, UH, APPARENTLY THERE'S ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER THAT'S PLANNED.
AND THE LAST ISSUE IS WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A PLACE ON THE SITE FOR DETENTION OF STORMWATER.
WE WOULD HAVE TO USE A, UH, AN AREA THAT'S FLOODPLAIN TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY AND WE'D HAVE TO CONFIRM WHETHER THAT CAN BE DONE WITH FEMA.
SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT THE UH, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, WE'VE GOT THE SITE CONSIDERATIONS, THE PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS, IT'S, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY, SO THERE WOULD BE NO LAND ACQUISITION REQUIRED FOR THIS SITE.
THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY CAN REMAIN OPERATIONAL, WHICH IS CRITICAL, WHICH WOULD BE A, A COST SAVINGS, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COLLATE, CO-LOCATE WATER, UTILITIES, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORK, STAFF, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, UH, TO DEVELOPING THIS SITE.
UH, MANY OF THESE RANCH RANDALL JUST COVERED BUT ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WATER LEAF NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DURING PLANNING AND OPERATIONS.
UH, SITE LAYOUT MAY IMPACT THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UH, PLANT EXPANSIONS FOR IPR AND DPR, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A PREFERRED SITE FOR ONE OR FOR THE DPR ESPECIALLY, UH, WHICH IS DIRECT POTABLE.
I'M SORRY, I JUST THREW THOSE LETTERS OUT THERE.
BUT IPR IS INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE AND THAT'S REUSING RECLAIMED WATER TO CONVERT IT TO, UH, POTABLE WATER.
AND THEN THE DIRECT POTABLE WATER REUSE, UM, IS WHAT, UH, RECLAIMED WATER GOING DIRECTLY OUT OF THE PLANT INTO A TREATMENT FACILITY AND THEN INTO THE, INTO THE POTABLE WATER SYSTEM.
THESE ARE BOTH THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR MORE ABOUT THESE IN THE, UH, IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS.
THE ADDITIONAL LAY DOWN AND STORAGE AREA SPACE MAY BE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT CURRENT OPERATIONS AND FUTURE CON UH, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WHERE IT IS VERY LIMITED ON THE SITE.
UH, RELOCATION OF EXISTING WATER UTILITY STAFF WOULD BE NECESSARY.
THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS SHOULD BE EVALUATED TO ENSURE SAFE AND EFFICIENT OPERATIONS OF LARGE EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL LAY DOWN SPACE, APPROXIMATELY, APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES MAY BE NEEDED.
THE FUTURE TRAFFIC GROWTH IS ALSO A CONCERN IN THIS AREA, UM, AND MAY IMPACT INGRESS AND EGRESS ALONG HIDE AND RIGHT LANE AND THE SITE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE NON-CENTRALIZED AREA.
AND THEN AVAILABLE SPACE MAY BE, MAY LIMIT THE LONG-TERM EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A SMALLER, A SMALLER SITE THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD MAKE IT WORK, UM, IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM OR FASHION.
MAY NOT BE THIS EXACT SITE, BUT WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS BE, UM, BE EQUAL ON ALL THREE LOCATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD UP TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SITE.
SORRY, BUT I DIDN'T MEAN TO SKIP OUT THERE.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE SITE THAT IS JUST THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UM, CORRECTIONAL CENTER.
UM, WE ALL KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT, JUST OFF OF I 35 AND REALLY, UH, NEXT DOOR TO OUR EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
SO HERE IT IS JUST KIND OF OVERLAID ON, UM, ON THE SIDE.
NOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT, I GONNA GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE.
I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLEARER, BUT, UM, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE AN ENTRYWAY OFF OF
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I 35 AND ACCORDING TO JASON, WE'VE GOT CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE I 35 CORRIDOR.SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT NICER FACILITY, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, UH, I GUESS HIGH END BECAUSE, UH, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO PROVIDE A GOOD LOOK, UH, OFF OF I 35.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A DIFFERENT STYLE BUILDING.
IT'S A S IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A LARGER FOOTPRINT.
AND UM, SO YOU GOT THE, JUST KINDA STARTING WITH THAT TWO, IT'S TWO STORY FACILITY.
IT'S GOT, UH, IT'S GOT VISITOR PARKING IN FRONT, EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE BACK.
AND THIS SITE, UM, IT OBVIOUSLY MUCH LARGER 25 ACRES AS OPPOSED TO FIVE OR SIX ACRES OF THE OTHER TWO SITES.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE IT, WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UH, LEEWAY ON HOW WE LAY THIS STUFF OUT AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR INTERNAL TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION.
UM, SIMILAR, UH, IT'S GOT A, A LARGER OR A, I'M SORRY, A UM, 28,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, FLEET SERVICES WITH EIGHT BAYS EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER ONE.
IT'S GOT, UM, IT'S GOT A WASH DOWN AREA AND A FUELING STATION.
YOU'VE GOT THE COVERED PARKING IN THE MIDDLE, UH, YOU'VE GOT CITY OWNED VEHICLE PARKING JUST BELOW THAT, YOU GOT THE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE HEAT, THE HEATED STORAGE FOR THE, THOSE PIECES OF VERY EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO COLD WEATHER.
NOW, SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT SITE, IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD AT SOME TIME WITH OUR A SR AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY PROGRAM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED LOCATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE, UH, WELL ACCESS TO THE AQUIFER, UH, FOR STORAGE, UH, FACILITIES, WHICH MIGHT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE MAY BE A BIG DEAL.
UM, BUT IN, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE PULLED OFF ON THE, ON THE, UH, ACQUISITION OF THIS LAND AND, UM, WE'RE NO LONGER, UH, REACHING OR, OR TRYING TO ACQUIRE IT EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER IS VERY INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH US ON THAT.
SO WE HAVE A, A LARGE STAGING AREA, WHICH WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO US.
AND THIS, THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH EXPANSION OF THIS PROJECT.
IF, UH, WE WANTED TO GROW THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE OTHER DIVISIONS OR DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, IN THE CIRCLES THAT YOU SEE THERE WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL, UH, WATER GENERATING, UH, OUR WATER, UM, GROUND STORAGE TANKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO ACCOMMODATE AN A SR PROGRAM IF WE DO DECIDE TO PICK THAT PROGRAM BACK UP.
RAM DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE SITE? YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THE SITE.
FIRST OF ALL, WE'D BE ABLE TO, UH, LEAVE THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY FOR USE BY TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION.
SO THAT'D BE A MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE RENOVATION THAN BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT BUILDING IS, IS PERFECT FOR THEM AND THERE'D BE EXTRA ROOM IN THERE FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF, OF THEM OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY NICE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS IT CREATES AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER BETWEEN THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY AND WHATEVER BUILDS TO THIS PLAN SOUTH.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT TOO MANY BUSINESSES THAT WANNA BE RIGHT NEXT TO A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA BE UP ON 35.
SO THIS PROVIDES A, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A NICE TRANSITION FROM A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY TO WHATEVER'S GONNA BUILD TO THE SOUTH THERE.
UM, AND THERE IS A, UH, POTABLE WATER FILL STATION ON THIS ONE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ROOM TO DO THAT, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TIM FELT WAS IMPORTANT FOR CONTRACTORS.
IT DOES HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR EXPANSION.
UM, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK CAN BE DONE ON ANY OF THESE SCHEMES IS WE COULD, BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO THE OTHER PRESENTATIONS ON PERMEABLE MATERIAL AND UM, IMPERMEABLE MATERIAL I GUESS AND, AND RECHARGING THE AQUIFER, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT RAINWATER HARVESTING ON THIS PROJECT AS THERE'S A LOT OF SURFACE AREA HERE WHERE WE COULD COLLECT THAT WATER.
WE COULD ALSO USE PERMEABLE CONCRETE PAVING.
WE COULD USE GRAVEL AREAS THAT WILL ALLOW WATER TO PERMEATE DOWN THROUGH THE SITE TO HELP WITH THE RECHARGE OF THE AQUIFER DOWN BELOW.
SO I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACES ON THE PROJECT.
I JUST THINK ALSO THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO ANY OF THESE SCHEMES, UM, IN PHASES TO HELP BRING THE COST DOWN AND DO IT IN SUCCESSION.
BUT, UM, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS CONTINUES TO GO UP, ESCALATE AND IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE MAKING ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT JUMP RIGHT NOW FROM THE PROJECTS THAT I'M WORKING ON.
SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE DOING IT IN PHASES AND MAYBE BEING ABLE TO GET STARTED MIGHT BE HELPFUL FROM A COST OVERALL LIFECYCLE COST ON THE PROJECT.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE A POTABLE WATER STATION THERE AS WELL.
'CAUSE I KNOW THE, THE MAIN ONE WE HAVE IS OVER THERE BY THE WASTEWATER OR BY GOFOR, CORRECT? FOR FOR THE DEVELOPERS? YES.
SO THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE LOCATIONS FOR
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RECLAIMED WATER.WE WE'RE NOT DOING POTABLE WATER FOR CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY, UH, WITH DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS.
BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING HOPEFULLY BY THE FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR IS WE'LL HAVE A HANDFUL OF SITES AVAILABLE FOR, UH, DEVELOPERS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO CAN PURCHASE RECLAIM WATER FOR CONSTRUCTION USAGE RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO GO TO AN OUTSIDE VENDOR TO GET THAT.
SO, UM, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND LIKE RANDALL WAS SAYING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS WE WOULD HAVE AN ACCESS, UH, STATION SO LARGER EQUIPMENT COULD COME ON SITE AND ACTUALLY FILL UP THEIR EQUIPMENT, UH, TO TAKE IT TO WHEREVER THEIR CONSTRUCTION SITE IS INSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS.
HELPS THEM INSTEAD OF USING OUR FIRE HYDRANTS.
AND MAYBE IN, MAYBE IN THE WINTERTIME WE CAN RELAX THAT.
ONCE WE RELAX OUR RESTRICTIONS AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES IN OUR DROUGHT, DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PRESENTATION.
BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, ONLY CITY PROJECTS ARE ALLOWED TO USE BOTTLE WATER, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO THIS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, VERY SIMILAR IN CAUSE TO THE OTHER PROJECTS TO DO THIS SITE.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING, UH, THE DIFFERENCE, AND WE DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THIS TO GO THROUGH THIS CHART, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BEING, UM, IS THE HAVING TO PURCHASE THE 25 ACRE TRACT.
THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW.
THE, UM, THE COMPARABLE ESTIMATES WE'RE AT, UM, AROUND $10 BILLION TO DO THAT.
AND WHAT THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO, UM, ONCE WE GO THROUGH THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA PUT A HOLD ON CONSTRUCTION, UH, OF ANY, ANY FACILITIES AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE GET OUT OF THESE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER.
AND WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS GIVES US TO DO IS GO BACK AND DO A, UM, A, UM, ASSESSMENT, UM, AND UM, WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE CAN DO THAT AND UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MR. PERVEZ HAS ASKED US TO DO.
AND SO WE DEFINITELY WOULD DO THAT AND, UH, GET A, UH, UH, A COST ESTIMATE ON THAT PROPERTY AND PROBABLY NEGOTIATE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UH, EXISTING SITE CHARACTERISTICS, THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY WILL REMAIN OPERATIONAL THROUGH CONSTRUCTION.
THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSOLIDATE WATER, UTILITY TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS INCLUDING ENGINEERING, CIP AND INSPECTIONS, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT DIMENSION TO THE SITE, UH, WHERE WE COULD BRING ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES, UM, THE, ALL OF THOSE, UM, UH, AGENCIES TOGETHER BECAUSE WE ALL WORK TOGETHER ON A DAILY BASIS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF SPREAD OUT.
THIS WILL BRING US ALL INTO ONE FACILITY, A CENTRALIZED LOCATION WITH ACCESS TO I 35 FRONTAGE ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR LARGE EQUIPMENT GETTING OUT AND ALSO TO THE RANCHER MARKET ROAD ONE 50.
THE AVAILABLE SPACE PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE GROWTH AND OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY, INCLUDING A COMBINATION OF OTHER CITY OPERATIONAL NEEDS, THE POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR FUTURE WATER SUPPLY INITIATIVES, INCLUDING A STORAGE RECOVERY.
UM, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO COORDINATE WITH THE CITY ON AN ACCESS ROAD THAT, UH, OR AN ACCESS ROAD BASED, UH, BASICALLY AN ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WOULD CONNECT THIS FACILITY AROUND THE, UM, AROUND THE, UM, THE PRISON SITE AND DIRECTLY CONNECT IT TO THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE A REALLY COOL THING AND WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET TO OUR, TO OUR CITY.
AND THEN DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS, ADDITIONAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION WOULD BE NECESSARY.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA DONATE US THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY DID, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
UH, CONVERSION OF PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY TO PUBLIC USE MAY IMPACT FUTURE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE OFF OF I 35, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT, ALTHOUGH WE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, RIGHT? THERE MAY NOT BE, MAY MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE THERE AND THE I 25 OR THE UH, 25 ACRE SIDE IS WITHIN IN THE I 35 ZONING OVERLAY, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY ADD COST TO THE PROJECT.
SO I, IT'LL ALSO REDUCE THE, I I THINK THIS ONE WILL ALSO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC PRESSURE FROM, AT LEAST FROM THIS SITE ON ONE 50 FM ONE 50 BECAUSE CURRENTLY IF YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING SITE OR LEAVING THE ONE YOU HAVE, THERE'S A LOT OF EMPLOYEE AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING OUT ON ONE 50 BY HAVING THE THIRD ONE, WHICH IS ACCESSED OFF OF I 35, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE TELLING ME A LOT OF THEIR TRAFFIC WOULD COME TO THE SITE ON I 35 AND THAT WOULD REDUCE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC LOAD ON ONE 50, WHICH I THINK IS A BENEFIT.
SO, UM, ANYHOW, THIS, UH, LET ME GO TO THE FINAL SLIDE.
SO OPTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA PROCEED AS COUNSEL DIRECTS US TO DO.
UM, AND IF YOU, IF YOU STILL ARE INTERESTED IN US DOING AN APPRAISAL ON THE SITE INSTEAD OF AN OPTION ON THE SITE OR A UH, UM, UM,
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A UM, A, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE WORD I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, BUT, UH, TO, TO GET A BETTER PRICE THEN THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO IN THE FUTURE IF, IF YOU, IF COUNCIL SO DESIRES.BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL RIGHT NOW IS PUT THIS PROJECT ON HOLD UNTIL UH, COUNCIL WAS READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS.
I'M GONNA START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GOZA THE SITE THAT'S NEXT TO THE PRISON.
UM, I'M GOING TO UH, ASSUME A CIVIL ENGINEER TOOK A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF SLOPE TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM 1720 FEET IT LOOKS LIKE ACROSS WHERE THESE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS WOULD BE AND I KNOW THAT CAN BE QUITE EXPENSIVE.
SO IS THAT FACTORED IN? UH, IT HAS BEEN, THERE'S CUT AND FILL THAT WILL BE REQUIRED ON THAT SIDE.
THE AREA THAT'S CLOSEST TO 35 HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SLOPE AND THERE'S MORE SLOPE IN THE CENTER AS YOU MOVE TOWARDS THE EAST.
SO THE BUILDING IN MOST OF THE ENTRANCE PAVING AND ENTRANCE, UH, PARKING FOR VISITORS AND FOR EMPLOYEES IS ON THAT AREA THAT REQUIRES LESS CUT AND FILL.
THERE WILL BE MORE CUT AND FILL THAT'S REQUIRED.
WE'LL BALANCE THE SITE AS BEST WE CAN.
KEEP THE COST MITIGATED, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER REASON WHY THAT SITE MIGHT NOT BE AS ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOPERS.
UM, AND THEN I DID NOT SEE A DEMOLITION COST FOR OPTION NUMBER ONE.
UM, WAS THAT JUST LUMPED IN OR WAS IT IT WAS.
UM, AND THERE'S DEMOLITION ON, ON THE WASTEWATER SITE TOO.
THERE'S A HASH AREA THERE THAT'S HAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED AS WELL.
AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING WITH OPTION ONE AND TWO, BASICALLY WE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY BUILD IT OUT AND WE'LL PROJECT IT TO OUTGROW IT IN 15 YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW THE CITY'S GROWTH NEEDS ARE.
I THINK WE, WE KNOW THAT WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE SCOPE SHOULD MANAGE YOUR NEEDS FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
AFTER THAT IT'S, IT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY PROJECTED TO GO FURTHER ON, BUT WE KNOW THIS CITY'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW.
THERE ARE GONNA BE ADDITIONAL NEEDS.
MOST TIMES IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS YOU GET TO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD AND YOU ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN HANDLE GROWTH, YOU CAN HANDLE THE MAJORITY OF IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL BE WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
THERE MAY BE SOME INCREMENTAL ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, BUT YOU MAY BE, I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.
AND DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL COST WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM BEING IN THE I 35 OVERLAY CORRIDOR? I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE TO THE, TO THE MID UPPER END OF THE RANGE, THE COST RANGE THAT WE GAVE YOU.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A COST RANGE 'CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY SOME NATURAL STONE ON THE VENEER AND YOU KNOW, SOME MORE GLASS PERHAPS ON THAT ONE THAN WE WOULD ON THE OTHERS.
THAT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE UTILITARIAN.
ALTHOUGH I THINK IN ANY OF THOSE LOCATIONS YOU WOULD WANT THE FRONT FACING BUILDING THAT'S THE PUBLIC BUILDING FACING THE PUBLIC IS GONNA WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT NICER.
BUT THERE'S OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THAT I 35 QUARTER THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE NICER FINISHES ON THE SIDE THAT FACES THE 35.
AND WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED IN THE COST TESTAMENTS.
UM, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA.
COUNCIL MEMBER GOES, I GOT A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE KNOW THE PROPERTY THERE BY THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES 25 ACRES.
WHAT'S THE ACREAGE OF THE CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS PROPERTY? YES, SO, UM, I THINK THE, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, AROUND FIVE TO SIX ACRES IS WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THAT FACILITY.
UM, LET ME, LET ME REACH BACK TO CHRIS, MAYBE YOU REMEMBER 14, SORRY.
14 ACRES AND THEN THE SITE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA AT THAT WASTEWATER PLANT.
APPROXIMATELY WHAT'S THAT ACREAGE? UM, JUST FOR THAT AREA.
WELL JUST THE LAST ONE SO FAR.
UM, AND THEN, SO WE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE TEAR DOWN OF THE BUILDINGS WAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE FEES THAT WERE ON THE, UM, PROJECTIONS HERE ON THE CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS SITE.
LOOKING AT THE BIG BLOW UP PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THE GOING IN AND THEN IT KIND OF DRIES AROUND THE BACK AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A GATE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE NEW BUILDING.
IS THAT GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL EXIT GOING OUT ONTO ONE 50? LET ME, LET ME GET THERE.
SO, UM, RIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING UP FROM THE WASH DOWN BAY AND THE FUELING STATION UP TO WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE GATE WITH VISITOR PARKING
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MM-HMMOUT TO ONE 50, IS THAT GONNA BE ANOTHER EXIT ONTO ONE 50? I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.
I, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN IT IS CURRENTLY SHOWING THAT, BUT THAT WOULD SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM
BUT YEAH, IF I WAS T OUT I WOULDN'T, IT'S ALREADY ING US DANGEROUS ENOUGH THERE WITH THAT SONIC ON THE OTHER SIDE COMING IN AND OUT WITH ALL THOSE CRASHES THAT HAPPENED.
AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE COMING OUT TO TURN LEFT.
SO YEAH, THAT WAS JUST, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO DOUBT IT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE OUR CHALLENGES WITH, UH, SIZE ONE AND TWO JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE REDUCED SIZE, OR NOT REDUCED SIZE, BUT THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAT WE COULD BUILD ON MM-HMM
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, CAN BE A CHALLENGE.
AND ONE 50 IS, UM, I KNOW WE, THOSE OF US WHO WORK OVER THERE, WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE TRAFFIC RESTRICTIONS OVER THERE, ESPECIALLY, UH, WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION MM-HMM
IN THE MORNING AND UH, THE MORNING HOURS AND FIVE O'CLOCK RUSH HOUR RIGHT.
AND THEN, LET'S SEE, UM, AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEMOLISH TO GET OUT OF THE WAY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD, SHOULD WE BUILD AT THAT SITE? IF WE SHOULD BUILD AT THAT SITE, ARE WE TAKING AWAY FROM SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY HAD VISIONED FOR THAT AREA, FOR THE WASTEWATER PLANT? THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS, UM, UNDER RENOVATION THAT YOU ALL VERY WELL KNOW THAT RIGHT.
YOU'VE ALL ATTENDED, UH, TOURS OF THAT FACILITY.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING FROM A FIVE, A FOUR AND A HALF, UH, UH, MILLION GALLON PER DAY PLANT.
UH, THE, THE EARLY WORK PACKAGE, UH, WILL GET US TO A 6 MILLION GALLON PER DAY PLANT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN THE, THE FINAL WORK PACKAGE BY MID TO END OF, UH, 2028 IS GONNA TAKE THAT TO A 9 MILLION GALLON PER DAY PLANT.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT GONNA HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THOSE OTHER THAN IF WE DO A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AT THIS SITE, IT IS GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THE LAY DOWN AREA OF THE EQUIPMENT STORAGE AND ALL THAT.
SO IT WILL, THEY WILL CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.
AND SO OUR GOAL, UNLESS WE, UM, UNLESS THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN SO SHOWS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, OUR PLAN IS TO GO TO A 12 MILLION GALLON PER DAY, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ON THIS VERY FACILITY, WHICH THEN WOULD CREATE ISSUES.
AND IF WE GO TO A DIRECT POTABLE REUSE, LIKE I DESCRIBED, DESCRIBED EARLIER, THAT REQUIRES ITS OWN, UH, WATER TREATMENT FACILITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT RECLAIMED WATER AND GO THROUGH A WATER TREATMENT PROCESS BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE IT AVAILABLE AS POTABLE WATER.
AND SO THIS WAS THE SITE THAT WE WOULD HAVE SELECTED FOR THAT, AND THIS, THIS WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM DOING THAT.
AND THEN ON THE 25 ACRES, UM, THE PROPERTY COST ORIGINALLY WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 MILLION, CORRECT? THAT WAS $10 MILLION.
AND, AND, UM, PERVE BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO TO ME, DID WE DO AN APPRAISAL OF THAT SITE? WE DID NOT DO AN APPRAISAL OF THAT SITE.
WE RELIED ON OUR REALTOR TO GIVE US COMP ESTIMATES AND HE, WHAT, AS YOU ALL KNOW VERY WELL, PROBABLY BETTER THAN I DO, TOOK COMP COMPREHENSIVE OR, UM, SITES AROUND THE, UH, AROUND THIS LOCATION, TRY TO FIND THINGS THAT WERE EQUALLY, UM, AS BIG AND, AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD A WAREHOUSE OR CONSTRUCTION OR A, OR, OR A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY LIKE THIS.
AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE, THE, THE $10 MILLION.
NOW WE DID TAKE THAT TO COUNCIL.
WE, IT WAS THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER ACTUALLY WANTED MORE THAN THAT.
AND SO WE NEGOTIATE NEGOTIATED BACK AND FORTH UNTIL WE GOT TO THE 10 BILLION.
AND THEN, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GOZA HAD ASKED ABOUT THE CUT AND THE FILL, SO THAT WAS ALREADY ADDED INTO THAT ESTIMATE.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL LAND PREP OR RETENTION WALLS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO MAKE THAT SITE PREPARED? WELL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THERE WOULD BE SOME RETAINING WOLVES WOULD BE NECESSARY, BUT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THOSE RANGES THAT WE GAVE YOU.
AND THEN I THINK THERE MAY HAVE ONLY BEEN ONE OR TWO OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I KNOW WE'RE MENTIONING RECOMMENDATION TO HOLDING OFF RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE OF OUR CURRENT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
WHEN WE ARE READY TO TALK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING ON A BOND LIKE OUR ROAD BONDS OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO GO OUT AND PUT ON A BALLOT AND ASK OUR VOTERS TO DECIDE ON? AS FAR AS THIS, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO TO THE VOTERS.
I, THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER, WE HAD INTENDED TO, WHENEVER WE DO PROCEED, WE WOULD ISSUE
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CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS OR CO BONDS NON-MOTOR.THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, UH, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE WASTEWATER SITE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS.
IT LIMITS WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE WITH THE WASTEWATER SITE AND GOING TO POTABLE IS CERTAINLY A GOAL OF MINE.
UM, THE, UH, EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, HAVING TO DEMOLISH THAT AND PUT ALL OF THAT THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR 18 MONTHS OR TWO YEARS IS PROBLEMATIC.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT ALLOWS FOR THE GROWTH THAT THIS CITY'S GOING TO HAVE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I ESPECIALLY LIKE ABOUT THE 25 ACRE PROPERTY IS THE AQUIFER STORAGE PO POTENTIAL.
WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE GO WITH THE AQUIFER STORAGE IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED TO HAVE A SITE FOR THAT.
AND THIS SITE MAKES A GREAT DEAL OF, OF SENSE.
I ALSO LIKE THAT, UM, THERE WILL BE ENTRANCE ON I 35 TO THE SITE INSTEAD OF RUNNING IT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS OR, UH, ARTERIAL LIKE ONE 50 WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC.
SO I THINK THAT THE, THE LARGER SITE HAS A LOT OF, OF ABILITY TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE TO GROW WITH THE CITY AND TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THE EXISTING BUILDING AND REPURPOSE THAT.
UH, I, I THINK IF WE ALREADY OWNED ALL THREE OF THESE PROPERTIES, IT, IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT OPTIONS ONE AND TWO, UH, THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THAT THIRD PROPERTY.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE MOVE ON IT, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO MOVE ON RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GONNA SUGGEST.
BUT THE LONG-TERM FUTURE BENEFIT OF, OF THIS CITY, I MEAN, IT'S THE POSITIVES SO OUTWEIGH ANY OF THE NEGATIVES ON IT.
UM, I'M A HUGE FAN OF THE AQUIFER, UH, STORAGE RECOVERY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, TO JUST REMIND PEOPLE WHO, WHO MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN, UH, USING ROUND NUMBERS.
IF WE BUY 10 MILLION GALLONS OF, OF WATER AND WE ONLY USE SIX IN A MONTH AND WE BASICALLY THROWN AWAY FOUR, UH, WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IS TO TAKE ALL THE WATER THAT WE PAID FOR AND HAVE US A PLACE WHERE WE COULD STORE IT FOR FUTURE USE AND IT WOULD JUST HELP US OUT WITH OUR, OUR OVERALL WATER PLAN TREMENDOUSLY.
AND HAVING ACCESS TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, SO CLOSE TO OUR POLITICAL WORKS FACILITIES WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT.
UM, I AGREE TOO THAT HAVING THAT BARRIER BETWEEN THE, THE PRISON AND ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT OF WHATEVER KIND, UH, IT WOULD HELP CHARGE THAT.
I EVEN SUGGEST AT ONE POINT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, BACK IN FEBRUARY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO SET UP MAYBE A STRIP OF RETAIL ON THE SOUTHERN END OF IT AND HELP USE THE, THE RENT MONEY IN THAT TO HELP PAY FOR THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE, AND, AND SOME OF THE MONIES THAT, THAT WE'D BE SPENDING OUT ON IT? TRY AND, UH, TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF THE TAXPAYERS AND PUT IT, YOU KNOW, ON THE RETAIL SECTOR, UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK THAT, UH, WE CAN BRAINSTORM A LITTLE BIT AND, AND MAKE THAT THAT SPOT WORK OUT IF IT'S AVAILABLE AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, GREAT CONVERSATIONS, EVERYBODY.
UM, I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL GOAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, ACCOMPLISH HERE.
AND I THINK WE'RE NOT SHOOTING THAT DOWN.
WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS IS WHAT STRATEGIC AND SMART PLANNING'S ALL ABOUT.
UM, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOR OUR FUTURE FOR THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
UM, THE, UH, I GUESS QUESTIONS WE HAVE, OR JUST THE THINGS TO CONSIDER IS THE TYPE OF VEHICLES, NUMBER ONE THAT'S GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY WHERE IT'S STRUCTURED FROM I 35 TO, AGAIN, TXDOT, UH, IT IS VERY CONGESTED IN THAT AREA, SO WE'VE GOTTA KEEP THAT IN MIND OF HOW THE TRUCKS ARE BECOMING IN AND OUT.
I THINK, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT IS THERE GONNA BE ANOTHER EXISTING ROAD THAT COULD BE LED IN FOR THESE TRUCKS OR THESE VENDORS UTILIZE, UH, TO KEEP IN MIND ON THAT, UM, YES, WE SHOULD UTILIZE THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING THAT WHERE IT'S AT, NOT NOT TEAR IT DOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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DIFFERENT WAYS.UM, SO IT, IT, OF COURSE, IT'S ALL GONNA COME DOWN TO FUNDING NO MATTER HOW WE LOOK AT IT, WHETHER WE LOOK AT IT, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RECOUP SOME OF THIS OR, OR PUSH IT ON THE CO BOND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I THINK MOSTLY THE GEO BONDS WOULD BE GOING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROAD PROJECTS, RIGHT? THIS IS SOMETHING INTERNAL.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE TAX RATE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S AN OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, WE'RE KICKING AND SCREAMING ON BUILDING AS WELL, THAT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO TO BUILD.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE WHERE THE OVERALL GOAL IS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW.
FUTURE COUNCILS MAY HAVE TO BE THE ONES THAT WILL, UH, START WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE JUST THINGS, UH, MR. UM, SIR THAT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF IS THE, THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN AND OUT, UM, THAT IT'S GONNA BE THAT AREA THAT COULD IMPACT.
AND, UH, WE'LL JUST TAKE IT FROM THERE.
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE ON IT BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT, UH, I THINK TALKING NOW EVERYBODY ABOUT OUR FUTURE PLAN IS, IS A SMART THING TO DO AND TAKING IT STEP BY STEP.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT PLEASE? UM, SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT.
SO ALL OF THESE SLIDES THAT HAVE THE INFORMATION ON IT, THE, THE DOLLARS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM BECAUSE THIS SAYS, SAYS NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS, 65,900 SQUARE FEET.
BUT OVER HERE IT SAYS LIKE SIX, I THINK 64,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO I I, YEAH, THOSE, THEY WERE BEING DONE AT THE SAME TIME.
WE WERE TRYING TO HIT A DEADLINE TO GET BACK TO YOU GUYS WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME YOU ASKED FOR.
SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF COORDINATION THERE.
THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE COST CHART ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DIRECTLY FROM THE PROGRAM, WHICH CAME FROM THE QUESTIONNAIRE.
THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON THE PLANS WERE JUST A LITTLE BIT, THEY WERE NUMBERS THAT WE HADN'T QUITE FINISHED WHEN WE WERE DOING THE CALCULATIONS.
SO THEY'RE CLOSE, BUT THEY'RE NOT EXACT.
SOME ARE OFF BY A COUPLE THOUSAND.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE WHAT I'M DOING IS TRYING TO TAKE THIS TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN, UM, SEE HOW MUCH IT IS, YOU KNOW, PER, UH, SQUARE FOOT.
AND SO SOME OF THESE ARE UP TO $500 A SQUARE FOOT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE GOOD NUMBERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SO I WILL SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE DO NEED SOMETHING TO BE UPDATED 'CAUSE THAT AREA IS OLD.
UM, AND SO I, I'D BE INTERESTED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY TO TRY TO CREATE BETTER SPACE IN THAT AREA.
UM, AS FAR AS THE 25 ACRES, I WANNA CONFIRM THERE IS NO ACCESS TO 35 RIGHT NOW WITHOUT AN EASEMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? FROM THIS? THE ONLY, SO IF THEY, IF WE DID THE, IF WE DID THE $10 MILLION AND, AND UM, WE DID THE EXTRA ACREAGE, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WERE WE WOULD HAVE TO OBTAIN AN EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS 35.
SO THERE'S NO EXACT, YOU CAN'T GET TO 35 RIGHT NOW UNLESS WE HAVE AN EASEMENT.
AND THEN IF THAT LANDOWNER DIDN'T WANNA GIVE US AN EASEMENT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO UTILIZE EMINENT DOMAIN.
SO IF, IF THIS IS THE SITE COUNSEL WANTS US TO LOOK AT, OBVIOUSLY OUR CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING TO BE WITH, UH, WITH TDOT TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO GET ACCESS TO 35 FROM THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.
TIM IS SAY NO, BUT
SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT, SO THIS 25 ACRE SITE WILL GIVE US ACCESS TO HIGHWAY 35 WITH THE, AND WHAT OUR PLAN WAS, AND IT'S REALIZED ON THIS SCREEN, IS OUR INTENT IS TO WORK WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO GAIN AN EASEMENT TO GAIN ACCESS TO ONE 50 FROM THE THREE FIVE ACRE SITE IN ADDITION TO ACCESS TO THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
CAN WE GET SOME CONFIRMATION ON THAT? 'CAUSE I WAS FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS 35 TO ACCESS 35 OR NOT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBERS THAT.
THAT'S NOT HOW I REMEMBER CONVERSATION.
I WAS HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ACCESS TO ONE 50.
AND, AND WHETHER THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE, THE TOP RIGHT OF THIS GRAPHIC HERE, UH, IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO, TO ALLOW ACCESS TO ONE 50.
AND WE EVEN TALKED FOR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EVEN IF WE JUST PUT A LITTLE, A LITTLE J HOOK INTO OUR EXISTING PROPERTY AND IF, IF WE COULDN'T GET THE FULL THING, MAYBE WE'LL JUST GET THAT LITTLE CORNER.
SO ACCESS TO 35, NO ACCESS TO ONE 50? NO, THERE WILL BE BOTH.
WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE ACCESS TO ONE 50.
IF YOU CAN GO, IF YOU, UM, LOOK AT THIS, UH,
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SITE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, UM, THE EASEMENT RUNNING UP BESIDE THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.WHAT OUR PLAN IS, IS TO, TO USE THAT TO GET ON THE PUBLIC WORK SITE AND SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS ONE 50 FROM THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRITICAL, ONE OF THE CRITICAL POINTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS WE'VE ACTUALLY MET WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND WE'RE WORKING WITH HIM ON ANOTHER PROJECT.
AND SO HE, HE SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE VERY, UH, RECEPTIVE TO US PUTTING IN THAT EASEMENT, THAT ACCESS EASEMENT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO ONE.
YOU CAN SAY IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO ONE 50.
AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN USE THAT AND THE OTHER ONE TOGETHER, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UH, WE KNOW WE WILL AT LEAST BE ABLE TO USE ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH OF THOSE ONTO ONE 50.
BUT MAYOR, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT WITH, WITH THIS QUESTION.
UM, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT'S FOR US TO PURCHASE THAT EASEMENT FROM THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
I WAS GONNA EVENTUALLY GET THERE.
BUT YEAH, THAT WAS MY CONCERN IS, WELL ACTUALLY, WAS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? I'M SORRY.
BUT THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS THAT HE NEEDS WATER FOR HIS FACILITY, A PIPELINE TO HIS FACILITY.
AND OUR CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A DONATION OF THE EASEMENT IN LIEU OF BEING US PROVIDING THAT WATER CONNECTION.
TIM, DID I GET THAT? SO WE ACTUALLY STILL A COST.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS JUST YET, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE CONVERSATIONS WAS TO PROVIDE HIM WITH THE LARGER SERVICE AND, AND, AND TRADE WITH GAIN AN EASEMENT ON THIS, ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS ROAD ACCESS.
SO, SO TO, LET'S JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE, THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE CONCRETE PLANT THAT CEMENT CONCRETE PLANT YARRINGTON ROAD MATERIALS OR NO? WHERE IS THIS ROAD? WHERE IS, WHICH ONE ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THIS.
SO THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS.
IF THERE COST, IT WOULD BE A REDUCED COST INSTEAD OF ACTUAL OUTRIGHT PURCHASE OF THE LAND BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE SOME SOLAR COST ASSOCIATED CLICK COMMENT.
MIKE, IF YOU'LL SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
I KNOW THAT I'M PEOPLE, I CAN BARELY HEAR YOU, SO I KNOW THAT.
SO THE, THE LAND THAT WE WERE, THAT WHERE WE WOULD BE LOOKING, GETTING THE ROADWAY EASEMENT OFF OF IS OWNED BY THAT CONCRETE COMPANY THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER RIGHT THERE.
AND WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR, UM, THEY ACTUALLY CAME TO US AND ASKED WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET, UH, A PIPELINE BUILT TO THEIR PROP.
THEY HAVE A SMALL PIPELINE, I THINK IT'S LIKE A TWO INCH PIPELINE, AND THEY WERE WANTING A LARGER PIPELINE.
AND SO OUR FIRST THOUGHT WAS, OKAY, MAYBE WE CAN WORK OUT A DEAL.
WE'LL PROVIDE YOU THE WATER IF YOU PROVIDE US AN EASEMENT FOR OUR ROAD.
AND, UH, HE, THEY WERE VERY RECEPTIVE TO IT.
NOW, THE COST ASSOCIATED THAT WE, WE'D HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THAT.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COST IF WE EVER DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD THE COST OF THE EASEMENT VERSUS THE COST OF WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE PIPELINE.
SO, UM, DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE STORAGE FOR FUTURE FOR WATER USE? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME STORAGE BEING BUILT, UM, FOR THE USER OR LOSE IT KIND OF, UM, THOUGHT.
AND WAS THAT THE ONE THAT'S ON 1626 OR DO WE NOT HAVE ANY STORAGE FACILITY FOR THE EXTRA THAT FOR SOME REASON THIS YEAR WE VOTED FOR THAT? ARE YOU TALKING, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT STORAGE FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE FOR THE A SR? ARE YOU WHAT KIND OF YEAH, YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT EXTRA STORAGE FOR WATER THAT WE DON'T USE OR, UM OH, OKAY.
SO THAT IS A PROJECT THAT WE STARTED THAT'S IN, IN OUR WATER MASTER PLAN, BUT IT'S TEMPORARILY ON HOLD RIGHT NOW OUR, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE IPR DPR R PROGRAM, BUT THE A SR PROGRAM IS ON HOLD RIGHT NOW.
BUT DO, SO WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE THAT WE COULD STORE WATER RIGHT NOW.
ARE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE OVERALL, LIKE, SO DO WE HAVE TO IN ORDER LIKE IF WE BUY THIS LAND? YES.
AND WE, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE BUY IT IS FOR STORAGE.
MY QUESTION IS I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING REDUNDANCY.
WE DON'T HAVE MAYOR THAT MAYOR THAT ASSUMPTION IS INCORRECT.
THIS, THIS STORAGE IS NOT FOR POTABLE WATER THAT YOU THINK OF, LIKE ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS OR GROUND STORAGE TANKS.
THIS IS FOR FUTURE AQUIFER STORAGE RECOVERY, MEANING ANY SURPLUS WATER MAY WE MAY HAVE IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD STORE IT TEMPORARILY, THEN COME BACK LATER AND DRAW FROM IT.
THAT PROJECT, THAT PROGRAM IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD.
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NEED THAT STORAGE ANYTIME SOON, BUT MAYBE DOWN THE, YEAH.AND THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH OVERALL IN 15 YEARS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY, UH, FOR OUR GROWTH.
I, I'M WONDERING, IS ANYBODY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE LIMITATION THAT WE HAVE ON WASTEWATER? SO EVEN AT, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO GROW TO 150,000, WE ARE LIMITED BY 12 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE PLANNING OUR, OUR FUTURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVER PLANNING.
BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA NEED AN ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER OUTLET.
HOPEFULLY SOME OF THIS REUSE WOULD, WOULD HELP AS WELL.
BUT WE ARE KEPT BY THE TCEQ BY 12 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS POPULATION? YEAH.
SO, UM, AS YOU AS COUNCIL OR AS YOU KNOW, MAYOR, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, IN THE FINAL STAGES OF OUR WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.
AND IN THAT WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL LOCATIONS OF FUTURE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES.
AND UM, LIKE, LIKE, UH, PERVE WAS SAYING, UM, THE IPR, OR MAYBE I WAS SAYING THE I-P-R-D-P-R PROGRAMS ARE PART OF THAT PROCESS.
NOW WATER RECLAMATION, LIKE WE SAID A COUPLE COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO, HAS A, A NEW HIGH VALUE TO IT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF VENDORS OUT THERE THAT ARE LOOKING TO US AND WANTING TO PURCHASE OUR RECLAIMED WATER.
SO AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA REACH A LIMIT ON OUR EXISTING WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THAT LIMITS OUR RECLAIMED WATER.
BUT THE THING, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE LONG RANGE PROJECTS.
THE I-P-R-D-P-R IS AN EIGHT TO 10 YEAR PROCESS TO GET THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT QUITE A GAP HERE THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO IDENTIFY HOW WE WANT TO USE THAT RECLAIM WATER.
AND SO WE'VE GOT IDEAS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING TO, TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR, UH, FOR PARTICIPATION FOR THAT WATER OR ACCESS TO THAT WATER FOR OTHER USES.
I JUST REMEMBER LIKE IN 2023 WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE RECLAIMED WATER, THEY SAID THAT WAS GONNA BE TO ATTEND A 15 YEAR PROCESS.
SO IF IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT LONG IN ORDER TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, WHICH I THINK IS CURRENTLY THE ISSUE NOW IS OVER PLANNING, SAYING WE'RE GONNA GROW, WE'RE GONNA GONNA GROW, AND THEN WE DON'T MEET THOSE GOALS OR WE DON'T MEET THOSE FUTURE PROJECTIONS.
AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF PUT IN THE SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN NOW.
WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT FULL CAPACITY, UH, AS FAR AS OUR EXISTING WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT GROW, UH, IS CONCERNED AT 4.5 MILLION WE'RE ALREADY THERE AND THERE'S A 75 90% THAT I THINK COUNCIL, UH, GOES AND PRESENTED AT OR DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING ONCE WE HIT A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
IT IS OUR REQUIREMENT THROUGH TCQ THAT WE EITHER HAVE TO START PLANNING OR START BUILDING.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SUCH, UH, UH, OR SO MUCH WORK GOING ON AT OUR EXISTING WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, GETTING US TO THAT 6 MILLION.
WE DO NOT FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE VERY LONG BASED ON GROWTH PROJECTIONS, WHETHER IT'S IN A, AND WE'RE USING THE SLOW DOWN, UH, GROWTH PROJECTIONS RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF THAT IN OUR WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WE DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE THAT LONG BEFORE WE GET TO THAT 75%.
SO WE HAVE TO START DESIGNING, UM, FOR FUTURE GROWTH, UM, OF THE, ONCE WE GET TO THE 9 MILLION GALLON THRESHOLD, I'M SORRY THAT WE, THAT WE SEE FUTURE GROWTH TO THE 12.
IT MAY NOT BE COMING AS FAST AS IT WAS IN THE PAST, BUT IT IS STILL, WE ARE STILL IN A GROWTH ENVIRONMENT.
'CAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU SAID THE 9 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WAS GONNA BE BY 2028 MM-HMM
AND SO AT THAT POINT WE'RE THREE-FOURTHS OF THE WAY TO 12 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AND SO I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA FIND A SOLUTION WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME TO, FOR OUR, OUR WASTEWATER ISSUE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
UM, I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OUTLET.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A REGIONAL OR MAYBE TO REQUEST PERMISSION FOR THE BLANCO, BUT EVEN THAT IS GONNA HAVE A COST AND A TIMEFRAME.
SO IS OUR GOAL TO AVOID DISCHARGING INTO THE BLANCO? UM, BUT IT, IT IS GONNA BE AT SOME POINT THE, THE CITY HAS TO LOOK AT THE GROWTH OF, UH, OF THE CITY REQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
WE CANNOT, AND, AND 12 MILLION IS THE MAX AT OUR CURRENT FACILITY.
AND IF, DEPENDING ON GROWTH PATTERNS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S ONE OF THESE LARGE DEVELOPERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I 35 FROM HERE, UM, WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE LOCATION OR WHERE THE LOCATION WOULD BE AND THE
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INITIAL SIZE OF THAT.SO WE WOULD PROBABLY START WITH A SMALLER PLANT, A THREE OR 4 MILLION GALLON PER DAY PLANT.
UM, AND IT COULD BE A REGIONAL PLANT.
I MEAN, WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN THAT.
UM, OR, OR IT MIGHT BE A STANDALONE PLANT JUST FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE POSSIBILITIES AND WE'VE GOT TIME TO DO IT, BUT NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY I ASK ALL THOSE QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THIS AREA, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT IN A, IN A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY.
THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY NEED ARE GONNA BE THE FUELING STATION, UM, A WASH DOWN BAY OR A WAREHOUSE.
I DO REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING A NEW ADMIN BUILDING.
UM, I LIKE THE FLEET SERVICES AND THE HEATED STORAGE.
UM, SO MAYBE WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK, WE TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE SO, UH, GRANDIOSO THAT SO WE CAN PROVIDE THIS TO THE, THE EMPLOYEES IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.
SO THE, AND I AGREE, I I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
THE THE ISSUE WITH HAVING OUR OWN FUELING SITE IS THAT WE CAN GET A FUEL, WE CAN PURCHASE FUEL ON, UH, A STATE PURCHASE SYSTEM, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN WHAT WE CAN GET AT A LOCAL VENDOR.
AND THE, THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WOULD BE A PRETTY SHORT, UH, A PRETTY SHORT TERM.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, UM, WE DEFINITELY COULD LOOK AT DIFFERENT PHASING OPTIONS SO THAT WAY WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT POSSIBLY HAVE PROPERTY THERE FOR EXPANSION IN THE FUTURE AND BRING IT ON AS WE CAN AFFORD THOSE THINGS AS WE YOU HAVE MORE DEMAND FOR THOSE KIND OF AMENITIES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY GOAL BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOU GUYS SOMETHING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF THE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE THE FUELING STATION IS $10 MILLION, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT COST OPPORTUNITY TO BE LIKE, OKAY, HOW MANY TIMES WOULD WE HAVE TO WAIT TO FILL UP HERE TO REALLY GET THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT OVER HERE? MM-HMM
YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT.
AND, AND I THINK RANDALL EVEN MENTIONED IT EARLIER THAT THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY, THE WAY THAT WE'VE GOT THIS LAID OUT, THAT WE CAN PHASE ALL OF ANY, ANY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, ANY ONE OF THESE THREE SITES, WE COULD DO A PHASE PLAN TO DO THOSE.
WELL I'M DEFINITELY, UH, IN AGREEANCE, NOT AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT CENTER.
UM, THE CURRENT LOCATION, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF FOCUS ON THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
BUT YEAH, OVERALL I FEEL BAD BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROVIDE THIS TO YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW.
UM, 'CAUSE IF IT, WE, WE UNDER, I PROMISE YOU, WE UNDERSTAND, WE GET IT AND, AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO, TO UM, PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO HELP GET US THROUGH THIS THESE NEXT FEW YEARS.
WHATEVER WE CAN DO IN THE MEANTIME TO HELP KIND OF MITIGATE THE, THE OVERCROWDED NESS, UM, DON'T HESITATE TO ASK OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE COMFORTABLE.
HOW'S ZA? UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE FACILITY THAT THEY BUILT IN 2021, UH, IN SAN MARCUS.
AND THEY DID A PART PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
UM, THEY HAD A COMPANY THAT THEY GAVE A GROUND LEASE TO THAT DID ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THEY ACTUALLY WOUND UP STAYING UNDER BUDGET FOR THE FACILITY AND UH, ACTUALLY HAD QUITE A BIT OF SUB SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS BELOW WHAT THEIR MAXIMUM CAP WAS.
UM, PART OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE PARTNERSHIP IS THEY COULD HAVE AN ABSOLUTE CAP ON THOSE COSTS AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU GO OVER, THERE'S NO CHANGE WORK ORDER.
AND SO, UH, WHEN WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, UH, TO CONTAIN OUR COSTS IF POSSIBLE.
SO I, I BELIEVE THE CHALLENGE FOR US THERE, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UH, BUT THEY ALSO, UH, SAN MARCOS ALSO HAS, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITY, THAT'S THEIR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT.
AND SO THEY PUT THAT, THAT ELECTRIC FOOT UTILITY AS PART OF THEIR PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
FROM WHAT I WAS READING, THE, THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WAS TO HAVE THIS COMPANY COME IN AND GIVE THEM THE GROUND LEASE WHILE THEY WERE DOING THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THEY COULD MANAGE ALL OF THE COSTS AND THEN IT WAS TERMINATED AND, AND HANDED BACK TO THE CITY, WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ON ONE QUICK ONE.
OH, VE UM, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, ALL THREE OF THESE OPTIONS HAVE RELATIVELY THIS THE SAME COST.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON OUR ANNUAL, UH, DEBT OBLIGATIONS.
AND I WOULD, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
I WAS JUST SAYING IF YOU COULD GET THAT TO, TO ALL OF US, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME, SOME BENEFICIAL, UH, INFORMATION.
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ALL RIGHT.[III.4) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback regarding Drought Contingency and Water Conservation Plans.]
RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING DROUGHT CONTINGENCY AND WATER CONSERVATION PLANS.BEFORE RANDALL GO, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THIS, THIS IS AN AWESOME MAN RIGHT HERE AND THAT WE WORK WITH.
HE IS JUST, HE'S LITERALLY BEEN PART OF OUR WATER UTILITIES TRACK.
OKAY, SO, UM, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, UH, WATER CONSERVATION PLAN UPDATE, UM, JUST THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN SPENDING ON THIS, WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT, STV.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS PLAN, UM, AND, UM, PRETTY GREAT DETAIL AND IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING AND YOU'RE GONNA GET IT.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN BASED ON OUR NEEDS AND OUR SYSTEM AND OUR AVAILABILITY OF WATER.
SO I'VE ASKED TIM, UH, SANFORD TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS PROJECT WORKING WITH MIKE VAN WINKLE.
YOU GUYS ALL KNOW MIKE FROM SOME OF OUR TOURS THAT YOU'VE TAKEN AROUND THE CITY.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO TIM AND HE'S GONNA START THIS OFF.
AND THEN, UH, MR. VAN WINKLE'S GONNA WALK US THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THANK YOU MIKE.
TIM SANFORD, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR OUR UTILITIES.
UH, WE THINK THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE THING.
UH, IT'S DEFINITELY A LONG TIME COMING, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THIS NEXT SLIDE.
UH, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND AS TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I DROPPED CONTINGENCY PLAN.
SO THAT'S A PLAN, THAT'S A STRATEGIC DOCUMENT USED TO MANAGE WATER SUPPLIES DURING DROUGHT CONDITIONS WITH THE INTENT TO REDUCE DEMANDS AND ENSURE ESSENTIAL WATER DEMANDS ARE MET.
SO THE MAIN THING THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON IS UTILITY, IS SAFETY AND HEALTH.
SO THAT'S OUR PRIMARY CONCERN, IMPLEMENTING ANY OF THESE TYPE OF STRATEGIES INTO OUR PORTFOLIO.
SO THAT'S A STRATEGY TO UTILIZE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES YEAR ROUND TO REDUCE CONSUMPTION, WASTE, AND LOSS WHILE IMPROVING EFFICIENCY AND USAGE.
AND IN THAT PLAN, WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR AND A 10 YEAR TARGET AS TO WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT OUR RESIDENTS BE USING ON A DAILY BASIS PER CAPITA.
YOU'LL SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE DOCUMENT AS MR. VAN WINKLE GOES TO IT.
SO BOTH OF THESE PLANS WERE CREATED BACK IN 2009.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN JUST IN THE STRATEGIES OF OUR GPCD, WHICH IS GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S REALLY NOT BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES MADE.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME THAT'S GONE BY, IT'S NEEDED TO BE UPDATED IT.
AND THEN THERE AT THE BOTTOM MENTALIZED, WE ARE A SYSTEM OVER 3,300 CONNECTIONS.
AND SO WE DO HAVE TO SUBMIT THIS TO TCEQ AND THE DEVELOPMENT BOARD EVERY FIVE YEARS, WHICH WE HAVE DONE.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE THE CLEAR ON THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN HANDLED.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS, UH, COUNCIL ACTIONS.
SO SV UM, WAS APPROVED TO BEGIN THIS WORK BY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
THIS PROJECT KICKED OFF IN JU JUNE OF 2025 FOLLOWING, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WATER MASTER PLAN.
SO UPDATES ASSESSED IN THE CITY'S EXPANDED SERVICE AREA, DEMAND PROJECTIONS AND SUPPLY PORTFOLIO JUSTIFIED THE NEED TO UPDATE THESE PLANS.
SO REALLY JUST WE REALIZED A LOT OF THINGS DURING THAT WATER MASTER PLAN THAT NEEDED TO BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF THESE TWO DOCUMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON IT KIND OF OPENED OUR EYES TO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GO OVER.
SO SOMETHING REALLY COOL THAT WE'RE GONNA BE RECEIVING OUT OF, OUT OF THIS MASTER THESE UPDATES TO THE PLAN, AND IT WAS IN THE SCOPE OF STV TO HELP US DEVELOP, WAS AN INTERACTIVE TOOL, UM, FOR CUSTOMERS UTILIZED TO UNDERSTAND OUR WATER SUPPLY SOURCES.
THIS IS A REAL TIME SUPPLY CONDITIONS AND DATA.
SO ON THE GRAB, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRY TO FOLLOW, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH ME.
UH, TO ON THE FAR LEFT OF THAT, THERE'S A PIE CHART THAT SAYS CURRENT AVAILABLE DROUGHT SUPPLY.
UH, SO WHAT THAT'S PROVIDING YOU THAT, THAT'S THE 7.38 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
SO THAT IS A CURRENT SNAPSHOT OF OUR DROUGHT, OUR WATER SUPPLIERS, AND THE DROUGHT CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE AVAILABLE SUPPLIES THAT THE CITY HAS.
THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF KYLE HAS AVAILABLE TO US DUE TO THEIR DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE.
AND JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PIE CHART, YOU HAVE ANOTHER PIE CHART THAT SHOWS TOTAL PERMITTED SUPPLY.
AND SO WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THOSE WATER SUPPLIES WEREN'T IN ANY TYPE OF DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS.
SO THAT'D BE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WATER WE COULD RECEIVE IF NO LEVEL OF DROUGHT WAS IMPLEMENTED WITH EAA BARTON SPRINGS, GBRA, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE FEEL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WATER SUPPLY THAT THE CITY OF KYLE HAS CURRENTLY, WHICH IS GBRA.
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SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT CANYON LAKE WATER LEVEL LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY.AND THIS IS WHAT GBRA USES TO IDENTIFY THEIR LEVEL OF DROUGHT.
SO CURRENTLY WE'RE IN STAGE TWO, IT'S VOLUNTARY.
UH, AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT, THIS IS THE EXACT TOOL THAT GBA USES TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO THIS STAGE OF DROUGHT, WHICH IS VOLUNTARY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS THAT GO, AS THAT EXCEEDS UP BEYOND STAGE TWO, IT BECOMES MANDATORY AND IT LESSENS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE RECEIVE FOR THE CITY OF AIR CAL.
BUT THERE, THERE'S MANY MORE TOOLS TO THIS AND THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS TO UTILIZE.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS AS A MEANS OF HELPING EVERYBODY BE TR YOU KNOW, US BEING TRANSPARENT TO OUR CUSTOMERS, MAKING SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM, AND THEY CAN GO IN HERE AND SEE THIS AND, AND UNDERSTAND BETTER AS TO WHY WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING.
SO BEFORE I, I HAND IT OVER TO MR. VAN WINKLE, I, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING I'VE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN A LITTLE BIT.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
MICHAEL VAN WINKLE, DIVISION MANAGER OF TREATMENT OPERATIONS.
SO SOME OF THE FIRST UPDATES WE PROPOSE UPDATES WE WANNA REVIEW WITH YOU HERE IS CONCERNING OUR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
AND THIS PLAN HERE IS REALLY THE FRAMEWORK BY WHICH WE CAN, WE CAN ASSESS THE, OUR, THE EFFECTIVENESS OR THE EFFICIENCIES OF OUR WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM AS A UTILITY.
SO THE WAY WE MEASURE THAT IS IN GPCD OR AS TIM MENTIONED, GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY, ESSENTIALLY JUST HOW MUCH WATER AND GALLONS PER DAY IS A UTILITY CUSTOMER USE.
AND IF YOU SEE THE TABLE HERE ON THAT SLIDE SHOWS OUR FIVE YEAR AVERAGES FOR THE TOTAL AND RESIDENTIAL GPCD.
SO TOTAL IS JUST NOT DISTINGUISHING THE END USER.
SO THIS IS RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, ET CETERA.
AND THEN OF COURSE, RESIDENTIAL BEING THE RESIDENTIAL END USERS, THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGES FOR THOSE TOTAL GPCD 89, RESIDENTIAL 50.
SO ON THIS PLAN, THE PROPOSED UPDATES FIRST HERE IS THE FIVE AND 10 YEAR GOALS.
OF COURSE, THIS PLAN IS AGAIN, REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO THE PROPOSED FIVE YEAR GOALS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE IS FOR TOTAL AT 100 GPCD, RESIDENTIAL AT 65 AND WATER LOSS AT SEVEN.
AND THEN PROPOSED 10 YEAR GOALS TOTAL AT 95, RESIDENTIAL AT 64 AND WATER LOSS AT SIX.
NOW WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THOSE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT FIVE YEAR AVERAGE THAT WE'RE SHOWING THERE.
AND THAT IS JUST GIVEN TO THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE KNOW THAT THOSE NUMBERS THAT THAT MAKE UP THAT FIVE YEAR AVERAGE HAVE BEEN SUPPRESSED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN AT SOME LEVEL OF DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
SO WE BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, AS A UTILITY, THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS OUR GOALS ARE REALISTIC AND ALSO ACHIEVABLE.
THE OTHER UPDATES TO THIS PLAN IS CONCERNING INFORMATION ABOUT OUR WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM AS A WHOLE.
SO JUST UPDATES ON THAT INFORMATION, INCLUDING THINGS ABOUT OUR LEAK DETECTION PROGRAM, THE A MI WATER LOSS TRACKING AND PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AND IT ALSO IDENTIFIES AND DEFINES SOME OF OUR CURRENT BEST MANAGEMENT P PRACTICES AS A UTILITY.
SO SUCH THINGS SUCH AS THE HIRING OF OUR FIRST WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR, WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM, FROM IN JUST A MINUTE.
AND THEN OUR REESE WATER AND REBATE PROGRAMS AS WELL.
AND THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
SO NEXT WE'LL GET INTO THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.
AND NOW THIS PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY THE GUIDELINES THAT WE CAN USE AS STAFF AND ALSO AS CITY LEADERSHIP TO MANAGE OUR WATER SUPPLY AND OUR WATER SYSTEM DURING PERIODS OF DROUGHT, RIGHT? SO FIRST, ONE OF THE, THE LARGEST OR THE BIGGEST UPDATES THAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE IS THE INCREASED NUMBER OF STAGES.
SO THE CURRENT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT WE OPERATE UNDER HAS THREE STAGES.
THE PROPOSED DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN WE HAVE HERE BEFORE YOU DENY IT HAS FIVE.
AND WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT DOES IS IT PROVIDES THE PUBLIC A FRAMEWORK OF MORE GRADUAL REDUCTIONS OVER TIME.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT PRESENTS LESS DISRUPTIONS TO DAILY LIFE.
AND THROUGH THAT ALSO ENCOURAGES CONSISTENT CONSERVATION HABITS OVER TIME.
YOU SEE HERE ON THIS TABLE WE PUT TOGETHER HERE, THESE ARE JUST THE NUMBER OF DROUGHT STAGES, SOME OF THE COMPARABLE WATER UTILITIES ENTITIES IN OUR REGION.
OUR PROPOSED PLAN HAS FIVE STAGES.
YOU CAN SEE THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT ALSO, SO SAN ANTONIO HAS FOUR, GEORGETOWN HAS FOUR, LEANDER HAS FOUR.
SO AGAIN, UH, WE BELIEVE A REASONABLE NUMBER OF STAGES TO BE, UH, IN OUR PLAN HERE.
THE SECOND THING, UH, MOST IMPORTANT UPDATE IS THE CLEARLY DEFINED TRIGGER THRESHOLDS FOR EACH STAGE.
SO THE CURRENT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT WE OPERATE UNDER DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEFINED, UM, TRIGGER THRESHOLDS FOR EACH DROUGHT STAGE.
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AND SO BY DOING THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT PROVIDES STAFF AND AGAIN, CITY LEADERSHIP WITH MORE DEFINED PARAMETERS FOR WHEN WE ENACT OR RESCIND DROUGHT DECLARATIONS.AND THEN THE LAST THING WE WILL WE'LL LOOK AT HERE IS, IS THE INTENT OF THE UPDATES OF THIS PLAN.
AND THAT REALLY IS TO TARGET WHAT WE KNOW TO BE THE MAIN DRIVER OF PEAK DEMANDS THAT REALLY STRESS OUR WATER SUPPLY AND OUR WATER SYSTEM.
AND THAT IS OUTDOOR IRRIGATION.
SO WE KNOW BY THE NUMBERS THAT OUTDOOR IRRIGATION CAN INCREASE DEMANDS BY UPWARDS OF 60, 60% DURING PEAK SEASONS.
AND BY DOING THAT, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DOCUMENT PUTS LESS OF A BURDEN ON THE PUBLIC'S DAILY ACTIVITIES THAT UTILIZE WATER.
SO YOUR THINGS SUCH AS WASHING A CAR OR POWER WASHING YOUR SIDEWALK, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS ACTUALLY STAGE BY STAGE.
IT'S VERY BUSY, BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE PLAN IN ONE TABLE.
SO Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE THAT AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH IT, UH, REAL QUICK.
BUT BEFORE WE DO, I WANT TO GO OVER SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THIS PLAN THAT ADDRESSES YEAR ROUND CONSERVATION OR, UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO LABEL IN THE FUTURE AT YOUR DIRECTION WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE CONSERVATION 365.
SO THIS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE IN A DROUGHT STAGE.
IT ADDRESSES WATER WASTE PROHIBITIONS YEAR ROUND, SUCH AS FAILING TO RE REPAIR CONTROLLABLE LEAKS, OPERATING A FAULTY IRRIGATION SYSTEM, RUNOFF OR IRRIGATING LANDSCAPE BETWEEN 10:00 AM AND 7:00 PM.
AND BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE DROUGHT STAGES, WE JUST WANTED TO DEFINE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
AND THAT IS DAILY MAXIMUM PRODUCTION CAPACITY.
THERE'S A FANCY DEFINITION UP HERE ON THE SCREEN, BUT ESSENTIALLY HOW MUCH WATER CAN WE PHYSICALLY PUT INTO THE SYSTEM IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD? THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE METRICS THAT WE USE GOING FORWARD.
SO THE PROPOSED STAGE ONE, WE'RE CALLING ENTITLING THIS WATER SUPPLY AWARENESS AND DROUGHT WATCH.
THIS IS A VOLUNTARY DROUGHT STAGE 'CAUSE IT IS JUST, THAT IS AN AWARENESS AND WATCH MUCH LIKE A, A TORNADO WATCH WOULD BE RIGHT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ONE YET, BUT THE CONDITIONS AREN'T LOOKING GOOD.
SO THE THREE THINGS WE'LL GO OVER FOR EACH STAGE YOU'LL SEE TRIGGERS THE TARGETED REDUCTION AND THE RESPONSE.
SO FOR STAGE ONE, WHEN DEMAND REACHES 60% OF MAX PRODUCTION CAPACITY, AND WE'VE PUT NUMBERS THERE ON EACH SLIDE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO IN MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, SO WHEN DEMAND REACHES 60% OF OUR MAX PRODUCTION CAPACITY OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE OUR WATER SUPPLIER STATUS.
AND, UH, CORRELATING TO THAT WOULD BE, UH, POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN OUR WATER SUPPLY, RIGHT? SO YOU SEE THERE IN THAT FIRST BOX THAT 60% WOULD BE ACTUALLY AVERAGED OVER THREE DAYS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS GBRA CANYON RESERVOIR, RIGHT? TIM JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT AS BEING OUR, OUR LARGEST SUPPLY RIGHT NOW, EDWARDS AQUIFER BARTON SPRINGS, THE ONLY ONE YOU DON'T SEE ON THERE IS, IS ALLIANCE, THE ROO WATER SUPPLY, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT OPERATE UNDER A DROUGHT PLAN.
SO THAT IS A, A MORE DROUGHT RESILIENT WATER SUPPLY THERE.
THE TARGET OF REDUCTION FOR STAGE ONE WOULD BE 10%.
AND WE BELIEVE THE RESPONSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THAT WOULD BE, UH, LIMITING AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION TO TWO DAYS PER WEEK.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE ON THAT TABLE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, OTHER, UH, THOSE OTHER ANCILLARY WATER ACTIVITIES OR WATER USES, SUCH AS MANUAL LANDSCAPE WATERING THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ANY DAY OF THE WEEK FROM 7:00 PM TO 10:00 AM.
AND THEN I'LL JUST POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING ON THE AUTOMATIC WATERING, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ALLOTTED TIME BETWEEN THE DRIP SYSTEMS AND THE SPRAY SYSTEMS. WE KIND OF OPERATE IN A SIMILAR FASHION NOW, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THOSE DRIP SYSTEMS TO OBVIOUSLY BE MORE EFFICIENT THAN THOSE AUTOMATIC SPRAY SYSTEMS. SO THEY'RE AOT OF A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE, UH, LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES LIKE WASHING VEHICLES, UM, AND ALL OTHER NON-ESSENTIAL WATER USE.
SO GETTING INTO THE PROPOSED STAGE TWO OR THE MILD DROUGHT CONDITIONS, THIS IS WHERE THINGS BECOME MANDATORY FROM HERE ON OUT.
SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THE TRIGGERS FOR THAT STAGE WE'RE PROPOSING WHEN DEMAND REACHES 70% OF OUR MAX PRODUCTION CAPACITY, AND THEN AGAIN ALSO CONSIDERING WATER SUPPLIER STATUS AND POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN OUR WATER SUPPLY.
THE TARGETED REDUCTION WOULD BE 15% FOR THIS STAGE.
NOW YOU SEE THE RESPONSE HERE IS THE SAME AS STAGE ONE.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THIS IS MANDATORY AND ENFORCEABLE AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN THE ALL, ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES STAY THE SAME FOR PROPOSED STAGE THREE OR MODERATE DROUGHT CONDITIONS.
THE TRIGGERS FOR THIS STAGE WOULD BE WHEN DEMAND REACHES 75% OF MAX PRODUCTION CAPACITY AND THEN ALSO CONSIDERING ESCALATING WATER SUPPLY STATUS.
AND AGAIN, POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN OUR WATER SUPPLY.
THE TARGETED REDUCTION WOULD BE 20%.
AND WE BELIEVE THE RESPONSE NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THAT WOULD BE REDUCING AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION
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TO ONE DAY PER WEEK.ALL OTHER ACTIVITIES WOULD STAY THE SAME.
STAGE FOUR AND PROPOSED STAGE FOUR ARE IN SEVERE DROUGHT CONDITIONS.
THE TRIGGERS FOR THIS WOULD BE WHEN DEMAND REACHES 80% OF MAX PRODUCTION CAPACITY, AND THEN AGAIN, CONSIDERING WATER SUPPLIER STATUS AND POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN SUPPLY TARGETED REDUCTION OF 25 WERE SPENT 25%.
AND THEN RESPONSE THAT WE BELIEVE, UH, WOULD ACHIEVE THAT WOULD BE REDUCING AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION TO ONE DAY EVERY OTHER WEEK.
AND THEN AGAIN, ALL OTHER ACTIVITIES ON THERE, UM, STAY THE SAME.
AND THEN MOVING INTO THE FINAL STAGE, THE PROPOSED STAGE FIVE, WHICH WOULD BE CRITICAL DROUGHT CONDITIONS.
TRIGGERS OF THIS STAGE WOULD BE WHEN DEMAND REACHES 85% OF MAX PRODUCTION CAPACITY.
AND THEN AGAIN, CONSIDERING OUR WATER SUPPLIER STATUSES AND POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN OUR SUPPLY TARGET OF 30% REDUCTION.
AND AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THE RESPONSE NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THAT WOULD BE AT THIS POINT PROHIBITING ALL OUTDOOR AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION AND THEN ALL OTHER NON-ESSENTIAL WATER USE, WHICH IS POINT OUT, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED THERE TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY, I BELIEVE TO THE PUBLIC WOULD BE THE MANUAL LANDSCAPE WATERING FROM 7:00 PM TO 10:00 AM AND THAT BRINGS US BACK FULL CIRCLE TO THAT CHART AGAIN.
SO WE WENT THROUGH IT STEP BY STEP AND UM, THAT'S IT ALL COLLECTED IN THAT CHART FOR YOU THERE.
I WOULD, UH, BEFORE I TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR. SANFORD TO FINISH THIS OFF, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ANSWER A QUESTION THAT MAY BE ON SOMEONE'S MIND IS, IF WE WERE TO OPERATE UNDER THIS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN TODAY, WHERE WOULD WE BE? STAFF DID, UH, EVALUATE THAT INTERNALLY AND WE WOULD CURRENTLY RECOMMEND UNDER CURRENT CONDITIONS TO OPERATE IN STAGE THREE.
THAT BEING SAID, IT SOUNDS A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHERE WE'RE AT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN AMENDED STAGE TWO, BUT BECAUSE OF THOSE EXPANDED DROUGHT STAGES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REDUCTIONS, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENT ON THAT OUTDOOR AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR. SANFORD.
I ONLY HAVE TO REMEMBER ONE PERSON'S NAME, SAY MIKE AND MIKE
SO I, I GET TO TALK ABOUT THE FUN STUFF ENFORCEMENT.
UM, BEFORE I REALLY GET INTO THIS SLIDE SLIDE, I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, UH, DO THE WORK OF OUR WATER CONSERVATION COORDIN, HE DOES A GREAT JOB FOR US, JESSICA, RIGHT? UM, WE ALWAYS PUT EDUCATION FIRST.
SO IF WE RECEIVE A 3 1 1 CALL, WE RECEIVE A CALL FROM OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER DRIVING BY, I'M SEEING THIS WORKER GOING OFF KNOW, GET ON 'EM.
UM, WE CALL JESSICA, JESSICA GETS WITH THE HOA, GETS WITH THE RESIDENT, GETS WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
IT'S A CONVERSATION, IT'S AN EDUCATION, MAKING THEM AWARE.
AND SO THAT, THAT IS FIR FIRST AND FOREMOST HOW O WHAT OUR APPROACH IS VERY SOFT HANDED.
NOW, IF YOU REPEAT OFFENDER, THIS POLICY DOES, THIS PLAN DOES HAVE SOME, SOME MONETARY VALUE TO IT.
IF, IF WE NEED TO PENALIZE YOU.
AND BEFORE WE TAKE THAT TYPE OF ACTION, WE WOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
I ASSUME THE CONVERSATION WOULD ALSO BE HAD WITH CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THE, THE VALUES OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS FIRST OFFENSE, 100 TO $500 FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE AND FIVE TO $2,000 FOR SUBSEQUENT OFFENSES THEREAFTER.
SO WE, WE DON'T WANT TO UTILIZE THAT.
BUT WE DO FEEL, UM, BACK IN 23, I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH HARDSHIPS WITH A LOT OF THIS AND WE HAD TO DO SOME PRETTY, PRETTY DILIGENT, UH, PATROLS TO GET OUR SYSTEM UNDER CONTROL.
UM, AND WE DID USE SOME OF THAT, BUT THE SOFT HAND APPROACH NOW WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR HAS REALLY PRO PROVEN BENEFICIAL TO OUR SYSTEM AND IT'S EFFECTIVE.
SO, UM, ONE OTHER THING WE WANTED TO PROVIDE TO YOU BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS ON THIS, ON THIS ITEM IS JUST A, A VISUAL OR A, A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT SOME OTHER UTILITIES ARE USING ASIDE FROM THOSE VIOLATIONS.
SO THIS, I'M GONNA USE SAWS AS AN EXAMPLE.
UH, SO YOU HAVE, SAY SAWS IS IN A STAGE THREE DROUGHT.
IF A CUSTOMER WERE TO USE ANYTHING ABOVE 20,000 GALLONS IN THAT BILLING PERIOD, SAWS WOULD APPLY $6 AND 32 CENTS FOR EVERY THOUSAND GALLONS ABOVE THAT 20,000 GALLON MARK.
AND THEN SAY IF THEY WERE INTO STAGE FOUR, WHICH IS MORE STRICTER DROUGHT STAGE, THEY WOULD APPLY THAT ON ANYTHING ABOVE A A 12,000 GALLON MARK.
SO THAT'S JUST, JUST AN INCENTIVE FOR DISCOURAGE HIGH WATER USE.
UM, COMPLETELY OPEN FOR CONVERSATION ON HOW COUNCIL WOULD WISH TO, TO SEE THAT IMPLEMENTED.
IF Y'ALL WISH TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING TO THAT MATTER, WE CAN INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU.
BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT OTHER UTILITIES ARE DOING THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN OUR PLAN AS IT JUST TODAY.
THAT'S NOT IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE AS YOU SEE HERE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF.
AND WITH, WITH THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SLIDES, BUT I DO WANT TO TELL COUNSEL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING TO YOU TODAY TO, TO REALLY GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY
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AS TO WHAT YOU SEE AS POSITIVE IN THIS PLAN, WHAT YOU SEE AS NEGATIVE IN THIS PLAN, UM, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT YOU WISH TO, TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN HERE.UM, AND WE WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE BACK.
WE'RE GONNA PUT THOSE INTO THE PLAN.
AND THEN OUR PLAN IS TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR A FIRST READING.
UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT FEEDBACK WE GET TODAY, SOMETIME IN AUGUST, UH, THIS WILL REQUIRE TWO READINGS.
AND THEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS IS, IS WE GIVE CITIZEN THE OPPORTUNITY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THIS ITEM'S FURTHER READING TO JUST SPEAK ON WHATEVER IT IS THEY HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT ON THE ITEM.
SO WITH THAT, MYSELF, BEN WINKLE AND MR. MURPHY IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE AND DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE SOME FEEDBACK IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GZA.
HOW WOULD THE PUNISHMENT TIERS WORK FOR OUR BUSINESSES, OUR, UM, OUR IRRIGATION CUSTOMERS, ET CETERA, BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE ABOVE THAT QUITE FREQUENTLY.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THIS CHART HERE THAT'S YES, THAT'S PULLED UP.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING AND WE DIDN'T TRY TO SHOW THAT HERE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME CALCULATIONS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO THAT.
SO INSTEAD A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT, YOU CAN'T COMPARE A A 500 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX TO A 2000 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WE COULD TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO OTHER UTILITIES AND, AND GET THAT BEFORE YOU, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THAT.
UM, AND THEN SOME EXAMPLES OF LIKE WITH SAWS AND BU IF THEY HAVE THE MORE COMPLEX STRUCTURE, JUST KIND OF COMPARING THAT.
SO, UH, JUST JUST TO ADD IN ON THAT.
SO NBU IS JUST ACROSS THE BOARD, IT'S JUST A, A $1 A DAY, KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
SIZE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX.
SO ON THE COMMERCIAL, THEY DO TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THEIR PREVIOUS AVERAGE FOR A 12 MONTH PERIOD, AND THEN IT'S A PERCENTAGE ABOVE THAT.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIERED.
THAT'S HOW THEY HANDLE KIND OF THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ASPECT OF THAT USAGE.
AND THEN DO OTHER, UM, WATER COMPANIES TYPICALLY DO, UH, PENALTIES AS A MISDEMEANOR OR IS IT MORE A CIVIL FINE? LIKE, ARE ARE WE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT IS COMMONLY PRACTICED? MOST, MOST, MOST, UM, CITIES WILL UTILIZE MUNICIPAL COURT, UH, FOR, FOR A CIVIL PENALTY.
UH, SAWS HAS GONE, I THINK AWAY FROM THAT, UH, WHERE THEY, UH, IMPLEMENT A FINE THROUGH, THROUGH, THROUGH THEIR, JUST THEIR BILLING, THEIR BILLING SERVICE, UH, THROUGH THEIR UTILITY SERVICE.
THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THE STANDARD IS, IS THROUGH, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT.
DO WE THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE MORE, UM, PALATABLE TO TACK THAT ONTO A BILL RATHER THAN, THAN GOING AND CHARGING THEM WITH A MISDEMEANOR?
UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, I GUESS THE, IT IS A BUILT IN PUNISHMENT, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE GOING ABOVE THOSE, THAT THRESHOLD THAT, THAT WE DETERMINE IS ABOVE EXCESS OF, OF USE FOR WHATEVER STAGE THAT WE'RE IN.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ULTIMATELY A, A DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GZA, UNLESS WE CREATE A SPECIFIC CRIMINAL VIOLATION THAT WOULD INCLUDE GOING OVER THAT THRESHOLD, IT WOULD NOT GO TO MUNICIPAL COURT.
I KNOW IN MY PREVIOUS CITY, AND MIKE MURPHY CAN TELL YOU THIS TOO, 'CAUSE WE BOTH WORKED THERE, THE SURCHARGE WENT ON THE BILL.
UM, AND THEN IF THEY DON'T PAY, THEY DON'T GET WATER, SO NO PROBLEM THERE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY CLEAN, UM, AND EASY TO SEE KIND OF WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
UH, TACO BELL IS A HIGHLY INFLUENCED TO THE, THE COLOR SCHEME
COUNCIL MEDINA, COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA ON THE, UM, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.
I LIKE HOW THAT'S VERY CLEAN SPELLED OUT OVER THE DI THE FIVE DIFFERENT STAGES.
UM, ONE QUESTION ON THAT, UM, WITH THE RAPIDLY GROWING GROWTH WE HAVE HERE IN KYLE, DID YOU USE ANY PARTICULAR POPULATION GROSS ASSUMPTIONS TO FORECAST THAT? UM, OR WAS THAT JUST BASED ON HOW WE'RE GROWING RIGHT NOW OR BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN PLAY? YEAH, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT THAT.
BEN WINKLE MAY NEED TO STEP IN, BUT I BELIEVE THE WAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HANDLING, IT'S BASED ON OUR PRODUCTION CAPACITY.
SO AS OUR SYSTEM GROWS, THAT PRODUCTION CAPACITY, IT'S GOING TO, IT WILL INCREASE DUE TO OUR REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS PLAN REALLY IS ADAPTIVE IN THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA GROW WITH US NATURALLY.
IT'S BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THOSE REASONS.
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I KNOW WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN THE A MI THE OUTDOOR IRRIGATION AND, AND THE HOURS WITH THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.DO YOU KNOW IF, UM, IF WITH THE OUTDOOR IRRIGATION, IF THAT'S LIKE A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR WATER USE RIGHT NOW, OR IF THAT'S KIND OF COME DOWN QUITE A BIT WITH THOSE? SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS, IS ROUGHLY 60% OF THOSE SEASONAL DEMANDS THAT WE SEE.
AND THAT'S, THAT CAN, THAT'S EASILY IDENTIFIED WHEN WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WINTER DEMANDS, WHICH ARE WASTEWATER ACCOUNTS ARE USUALLY BASED OFF WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS VERSUS OUR, OUR SUMMER DEMANDS THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO NOW.
SO ABOUT 60% OF THE USES IS THE OVERNIGHT IRRIGATION? YES MA'AM.
UM, AND THEN I'M NOT SURE ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UH, KIND OF CONNECTS THIS WITH OUR A MI THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE VERY FIRST OF THIS, HOMEOWNERS CAN NOW SEE HOW MUCH THEY'RE IRRIGATING, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WE HOPE THAT THAT'S GONNA ASSIST THIS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLANT TO HELP REDUCE, ESPECIALLY DURING TIMES OF, OF WATER REDUCTION.
SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, UM, THEY'RE OVER IRRIGATING AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT JESSICA IS GONNA BE WORKING WITH AS PART OF THIS PLAN, IF IT'S IDENTIFIED, SHE CAN GO AND EDUCATE THE HOMEOWNER ON HOW TO SET UP THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM, HOW TO SET UP THEIR TIMING.
AND REALLY AT WHAT POINT YOU'RE JUST OVER WATERING AND IT'S NOT DOING ANY GOOD.
I KNOW WE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT.
BUT ANYHOW, SO, UM, IT'S GONNA, THOSE TWO ARE GONNA BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED.
SO THEY HAVE LIKE A WAY OF BEING ABLE TO RECOMMEND, YOU SHOULD REALLY ONLY BE USING THIS MUCH WATER TO PROPERLY IRRIGATE, UM, INSTEAD OF THIS MUCH WATER.
SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL ASPECTS TO THAT.
UM, THE, THE WAY THAT YOU DIRECT YOUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM MM-HMM
SOMETIMES YOU'RE WATERING YOUR STREETS, RIGHT? SOMETIMES YOU'RE WATERING YOUR SIDEWALKS, SOMETIMES YOU'RE WATERING YOUR DRIVEWAY.
SO AS PART OF THE EDUCATION PROGRAM THAT JESSICA'S GONNA BE DOING, SHE'S GOING TO WALK THE HOMEOWNERS THROUGH THAT, HOW TO ADJUST YOUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM SO IT'S ONLY WATERING GRASS.
AND, AND, AND, AND HOW MUCH TIME YOU NEED TO DO IT RIGHT BEFORE IT, BEFORE IT'S NOT DOING ANY GOOD.
AND THEN, UM, AS FAR AS WATER LOSS, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WATER WE LOSE THROUGH ONGOING LEAKS IN A YEAR? SO WE DO A WATER LOSS AUDIT EVERY YEAR.
OUR MOST RECENT ONE WAS IN THE 12% RANGE.
WHICH IS, WHICH IS FAIRLY GOOD FOR A SYSTEM OF THIS SIZE.
UM, THERE ARE TIMES WHENEVER IT'S BEEN LOWER THAN THAT.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
UM, WATER LOSS COULD BE ANYTHING FROM LEAKS MM-HMM
UH, TO WATER THEFT, TO JUST UNMETERED, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE ON OCCASION, UNFORTUNATELY DO FINE AND WE HANDLE IT, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONALLY, UH, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ADD TO THAT TOO.
THE SLIDE THAT WE HAD EARLIER THAT SHOWED THAT TABLE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD GOALS STATED FOR WATER LOSS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THE TABLE.
SO OUR GOALS FIVE YEAR SEVEN GPCD FOR THE WATER LOSS, SIX FOR OUR TENURE.
THE LAST WATER LOSS AUDIT THAT WE DID, IT WAS EIGHT GPCD.
SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH CLOSE TO IN LINE OF OUR GOAL CURRENTLY.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, UM, REGARDING ENFORCEMENT, HAVE THERE BEEN A LOT OF FINES THROUGHOUT THIS LAST YEAR WITH, UM, WATER VIOLATIONS? WITH THE BELIEVE STAGES WE'VE BEEN IN, I BELIEVE, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE ISSUED ANY, ANY ACTUAL VIOLATIONS.
I THINK EARLY 24 WAS PROBABLY THE LAST ONES THAT WE MAY HAVE ISSUED.
SO IN 25, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS EVER WAS ANY.
THIS IS A VERY SOFT HANDED APPROACH.
I THINK EVERYBODY BECAME EDUCATED, INFORMED AND, AND WITH THE PROGRAM.
AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, OR JUST DIDN'T GET CAUGHT SOME OF THAT TOO YET THAT, THAT'S TRUE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT PATROL IN THE SAME FASHION THAT WE DID, UM, IN 2023 AND 2024 AS WELL.
YEAH, IT'S A VERY NICE LAID OUT PLAN.
COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, DOES THE CONTINGENCY PLAN CONSIDER ARAWA SINCE IT IS NON DROUGHT? YEAH, SO, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THE MAXIMUM PRODUCTION CAPACITY THAT WE WERE TALKING
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ABOUT, AND DEMAND BEING A PERCENTAGE OF THAT AS THE TRIGGER THRESHOLD, THAT MAXIMUM PRODUCTION CAPACITY NUMBERS WE'RE PUTTING UP THERE, WE DO CONSIDER THE AR THE ALLIANCE WATER IN THAT PRODUCTION CAPACITY.SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT, LIKE, OUR, OUR CONTRACT WITH ARAWA CURRENTLY IS 1.73 MGD PLUS THOSE OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE FROM THE, FROM THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN ARAWA.
SO WE TAKE THAT AND INCLUDE IT IN THE TOTAL PRODUCTION CAPACITY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THIS PLAN, BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE'RE BASED ON THE AQUA, THE EDWARDS AQUIFER.
AND, AND CURRENTLY THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT WE OPERATE OFF OF DOESN'T REALLY, AGAIN, DEFINE THOSE PARAMETERS.
SO YES, HISTORICALLY WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF OUR PERMITS IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEN USING THAT AS A CONSIDERATION WHEN WE WANNA MAKE ANY, ANY DECISION ABOUT TROUT STAGES.
SO, UM, WE CONSIDER EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN OUR PORTFOLIO AND, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND, WE DON'T OPERATE STRICTLY OFF OF ONE.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE STAGE BY STAGE, YOU SEE EACH ONE OF THOSE WATER SUPPLIERS LISTED THERE AS A CONSIDERATION.
WE, WE, AGAIN, HISTORICALLY HAVE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT STAGE IS EDWARDS AQUIFER IN, OR WHAT STAGE IS GBRA IN, AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR WATER SUPPLY? SO THAT'S BEEN A CONSIDERATION, BUT NOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE DEFINED PARAMETERS FOR EACH STAGE TO HELP GUIDE US.
MY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO NEW BUILD, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEW BUILD, I KNOW THAT, UH, SOME OF THE BUILDERS ARE WATERING EVERY DAY, THE NEWLY LAID SAW, THAT IS A HUGE EXPENSE, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE DOING THAT IN THE SUMMER.
UM, ARE WE MONITORING THAT? ARE WE REQUIRING THEM TO WATER EVERY OTHER DAY OR SO? SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, THERE, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES CURRENTLY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE ASK IF THOSE SITUATIONS ARE OCCURRING, PLEASE CONTACT 3 1 1, UH, OR CONTACT OUR OFFICE AND WE WILL, WE WILL SPEAK WITH THOSE HOME BUILDERS, AND WE WILL, WE WILL RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
UH, I LIKE THAT THIS GIVE US, UH, KIND OF A DEFINED FRAMEWORK BASED ON THE, THE PERCENTAGES OF OUR, OUR AVAILABILITY.
AND I, IT, LIKE YOU SAID, IT, IT GROWS WITH, WITH US AS OUR, OUR RESOURCES GROW.
UM, MY, MY CONCERNS WITH THE, THE FIVE DIFFERENT LEVEL SYSTEM IS JUST MORE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS PEOPLE LOG IN TO PAY THEIR BILL OR AS THEY LOG IN TO LOOK AT THEIR A MI DASHBOARD, UM, HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY ONE DAY, THAT'LL BE ONE LOGIN, BUT, UH, THAT IT WOULD POPULATE WHAT STAGE WE'RE AT.
UH, BASICALLY LIKE THIS, THIS COLUMN HERE.
LIKE IF WE'RE IN STAGE THREE, UH, YOU KNOW, STAGE THREE, IT SHOWS Y AT THE TOP.
AND THEN WHAT THE, THE RESTRICTIONS ARE ON THE RESIDENCES.
I THINK, UH, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A WILLING PARTICIPANT IN OUR WATER CONSERVATION.
THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
UM, I MEAN, I'M A CITY COUNCILMAN.
SOMETIMES I HAVE A HARD TIME REMEMBERING AND I HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THAT EASY TO FIND.
SO I THINK IF WE CAN SIMPLIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP WITH THE, THE PARTICIPATION, UH, ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE SUGGESTION I HAVE.
AND THEN, UH, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SURCHARGES, UH, SAWS HEAD FOR THREE AND FOUR, WHAT LEVEL WOULD WE BE? 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT FIVE.
UH, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO SURCHARGES FOR EXCESSIVE USAGE AMOUNTS, WOULD THAT START AT THREE? WOULD THAT START AT FOUR? I'M NOT SURE.
STAFF HAS DOVE INTO THIS TO REALLY COME TO YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT.
UH, REALLY JUST TO FEEL THAT COUNSEL HAS A DISTASTE OR PLEASURE FOR SOMETHING OF THIS, OF THIS, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA, IF COUNSEL IS INTERESTED, WE'RE GONNA DIVE DEEPER INTO AND, AND PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR US.
UH, NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL OF US, BUT I'M AT LEAST CURIOUS ABOUT IT.
UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, NOT BE ALL STICK, NO CARROT.
UH, MAYBE IF WE HIT THESE, THESE LEVELS AND SOME, UH, HOUSEHOLDS ARE USING LESS THAN A CERTAIN AMOUNT, MAYBE THERE'S A, A, A REWARD FOR A LOWER, UH, A, YOU KNOW, LOWER CHARGE AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ADDING A BENEFIT FOR THOSE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE.
YEAH, I DEFINITELY, I THINK IT WOULD, I I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, AND I THINK
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IT WOULD BE US LOOKING AT A, AT OUR SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY AS TO WHAT A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT WOULD USE IS ON AVERAGE MM-HMMIN DEVELOPING A, A RECOMMENDATION BASED OFF OF THAT.
AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THE, OUR INITIAL RESPONSE, YOU GIVE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK, AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO HEAR.
AND ALLISON AND HER TEAM DO A REALLY GREAT JOB.
SHE'S STICKING IT OUT WITH US BACK THERE.
SHE'S DOING A, THEY DO A REALLY GREAT JOB.
SO HEARING THINGS LIKE THAT, IF IT'S NOT JUST HITTING YOU IN THE FACE WHEN YOU LOG IN ON SOMETHING AS, AS TO WHAT WE'RE IN, THAT IS A CHALLENGE FOR US.
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY OTHER WATER UTILITIES THAT AREN'T CITY KYLE.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE TRY TO TRY TO MITIGATE, BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE IN ANY STAGE DROUGHT OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY OF COO.
AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS VERY DIFFICULT.
WE CAN'T NECESSARILY ALIGN, 'CAUSE OUR MAKEUP IS SO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THEIRS, UM, IN TERMS OF WATER PORTFOLIO AND WHERE WE GET OUR WATER SUPPLIES IN THOSE CAPACITIES.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS KEEP THE TOP OF MIND OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING A CLEAR MESSAGE OUT TO EVERYBODY.
MAY I PRETEND TO BE AS, YEAH, IT'S, UH, EVERYTHING.
WHAT COUNCILOR MCKINNEY STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, THE MORE WE CONTINUE TO EDUCATE OUR, OUR, OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT THE CONSERVATION, I THINK WE'RE THERE NOW.
I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE FIRST STARTING WITH THE STAGE THREE AND FOUR, HOW MUCH NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM RESIDENTS FROM LIKE, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE COULDN'T WASH CARS TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, CAN WE WATER THE GRASS? AND WELL LOOK AT THIS BUSINESS OVER HERE.
LIKE DR. HARRIS SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WATERING GRASS AT NIGHT, AND THEN THEY'RE COMING BACK ON THE CITY.
WELL, LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY WAS DOING.
THEY'RE WATERING THEIR GRASS AT THE PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE BEING HELD BACK? BUT I THINK NOW WITH OUR SUMMERS THAT THE WAY THEY ARE, UH, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOTTEN RAIN, IT'S STILL BARELY JUST A TIP OF THE ICEBERG FOR, FOR US TO START GETTING INTO RECOVERY STAGES.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT FROM A REGIONAL AREA.
YOU, YOU SEE THE MEDIA PUSH IT OUT MORE.
YOU SEE IT UP IN THE MIDWEST, YOU SEE IT ALL THE WAY TO PLACES UP, UP NORTH THAT ARE GOING THROUGH MAJOR HEAT, HEAT WAVES.
I THINK EVERYBODY SEES THAT AND THEN INTO WHERE THEY CAN SAY, HEY, WE CAN CONSERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE LIKE WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR MCKINNEY SAYS, IF THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE PERK OR SOMETHING OVER THERE TO SAY, HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR CONSERVATION AND SO FORTH.
AND, UH, WE CAN CONTINUE TO PUSH OUT, UH, NEWER MEDIA KIND OF, UM, UM, PUBLIC INFORMATION OUT THERE ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, SOMETIMES I TURN ON CHANNEL 10 AND THERE'S OLD VIDEOS FROM LIKE ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO.
YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE MESSAGE IS STILL CORRECT, BUT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT MODERNIZING IT TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.
UM, CURRENTLY, CAN DEVELOPERS ACCESS OUR CITY'S POTABLE WATER? SO, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SAY IT ONE MORE TIME? CAN DEVELOPERS ACCESS OUR CITY'S POTABLE WATER? LIKE FROM THE, THE, FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES? YES.
WE'RE ONLY ALLOWING CITY CIP PROJECTS.
SO CAN THEY, AT ANY POINT, I'M SORRY.
IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY CAN'T RIGHT NOW? UH, WE JUST FELT, UH, SO THAT HAPPENED BACK IN 23 IS WHEN WE COMPLETELY SHUT OFF CONSTRUCTION WATER.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE HYDRANT METERS LOCATED OUT AND ABOUT, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE OUR SYSTEM WAS.
AND WE'VE DISCONTINUED THAT AND NOT RELEASED THAT BECAUSE OF THE DEMANDS THAT PLACE ON OUR SYSTEMS. THAT'S A LOT.
IT'S A, IT'S A BIG WATER USAGE FOR THOSE DEVELOPERS.
THEY BASICALLY TURN A HYDRO ON.
I'VE SEEN SOME FILL UP LIKE SOME THEIR WATER TRUCKS THIS YEAR.
SO I, I, HOW DOES THAT WORK? YOU WERE REFERRING TO OUR COP PROJECTS, OR? NO, THIS WAS, UM, NOT OUR CITY.
YEAH, I DON'T, I CONTACTED BRIAN RIGHT AWAY AND WAS LIKE, HEY, THIS GUY'S FILLING UP THE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT THEY HAD LIKE WATER METERS ON THE FIRE HYDRANTS.
IF IT WAS DEVELOPERS, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AND MM-HMM
AND TYPICALLY OUR INSPECTORS KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THOSE THINGS.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE WATER LOSS REPORTS AND WE REALIZE THESE THINGS DO HAPPEN.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE JUST CAN'T HAVE EYES ON EVERYTHING.
BUT IF WE HAVE, WE COME ACROSS SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WE MITIGATE IT TO MAKING THEM AWARE.
IT HAPPENS AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE FURTHER ACTIONS, BUT, OKAY.
SO DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT? LIKE, LIKE TO DEVELOP? I'M, I'M CONFUSED 'CAUSE IT, I I'M WONDERING, ARE DEVELOPERS GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE STAGES? I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS ANY MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT WE'RE GONNA, HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE AFFECTED NOW.
UM, IF, IF ANYTHING, I, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
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MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT IT.'CAUSE WHEN THERE'S NOTHING IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTABILITY THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THEM, THAT'S NOT AFFECTING THEM TODAY.
SO WAS THERE AN ORDINANCE THAT PASSED? LIKE WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION IN ORDER TO THAT WAS DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
'CAUSE IF IT'S DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHEN IT'S GOING TO, LIKE, WHEN CAN THAT REVERSE OR CAN IT CHANGE? LIKE HOW DOES THAT LOOK? I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR, OUR CITY MANAGER, WHOMEVER THAT MIGHT BE, UH, BY OUR WATER UTILITY TEAM AS TO ALLOWING THAT ACTIVITY TO, TO BEGIN OCCURRING AGAIN.
AND, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WE HAVE NOT FELT THAT OUR SYSTEM IS IN PLACE TO ALLOW FOR THAT AT THIS TIME.
MAYOR, TO ADD TO THAT, I BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT IS AS SOON AS WE HAVE, UM, THAT PIECE OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, UP AND GOING TO WHERE WE CAN SELL CONSTRUCTION WATER THAT IS NOT POTABLE, BUT IT'S TYPE ONE, UM, WATER, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SELL THAT INSTEAD OF THE POTABLE WATER.
SO THERE'S A, THAT, THAT PLAN'S IN PLACE.
I'LL JUST ADD REAL QUICK TO THAT CONVERSATION THOUGH TOO.
THERE'S ACTUALLY LANGUAGE IN THIS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN OR THE PROPOSED PLAN HERE THAT ESSENTIALLY IN EACH STAGE GIVES CITY STAFF AND CITY LEADERSHIP THE FLEXIBILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO START SETTLING POTABLE WATER FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES.
IF WE, IF WE DEEM THAT NECESSARY OR, OR WE'RE IN THE POSITION TO DO THAT.
SO THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S FLEXIBLE.
SO CAN WE GO BACK TO THE FEES, THE, UH, VIOLATION FEES? OKAY.
SO IT'S BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND $500.
SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE THOSE FEES DECIDED? I BELIEVE THAT'S DECIDED AND AMY STEP IN, HELP ME ON THIS BY THE JUDGE.
SO STATE LAW, UM, LIMITS FEES FOR CLASSY MISDEMEANORS TO $500 IN A STRICT LIABILITY SITUATION.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PROVE AN INTENT, SO FOR A FIRST OFFENSE, WE LIMITED IT TO THAT $500.
AND THEN ON A SECOND OFFENSE, WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED ONCE, THEN WE RAISED IT UP TO THE 2000, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM LAW BY LAW.
THE JUDGE CAN SET WHATEVER WINDOW FINE THE COURT HE WANTS TO, FOR THE COURT, OR AS CASES COME THROUGH, HE CAN ASSESS THE FINES TO THE PERSON WHO IS CONVICTED.
UM, MY NEXT COMMENT WAS GONNA BE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY SAID, WHICH IS, I WOULD LOVE TO ADD OUR STAGES TO THE A MI TO THAT.
LIKE IF PEOPLE LOG IN AND THEY CAN SEE WHAT STAGE YOU'RE IN, UM, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, HOW IS THIS BROUGHT FORWARD? HOW IS ALL THIS? LIKE, I'M, I'M CONFUSED.
'CAUSE WHEN I FIRST STARTED ON COUNCIL, I HAD THE QUESTION OF HOW, HOW DO WE DO STAGES? HOW DO WE KNOW WHEN WE GO TO DIFFERENT STAGES? I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD THREE STAGES AT THE TIME.
AND THEN BECAUSE THEY KEPT AMENDING IT.
SO IT WAS LIKE STAGE THREE AMENDED WHEN REALLY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STAGE FOUR OR FIVE.
RIGHT? AND SO MY QUESTION IS, I'M, WHO BROUGHT THIS? LIKE, WHO WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS CHANGE.
SO, UH, AT ONE TIME I HELD A POSITION OF MR. VAN WINKLE'S POSITION AND THE COMPLEXITIES OF TRYING TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO LEADERSHIP AS TO WHAT STAGE WE SHOULD BE IN.
IT WAS, IT WAS, FOR LACK OF BETTER, WORSE, REALLY INDECISIVE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CLEAR CRITERIA AS TO HOW YOU WERE TO ENTER OR RESCIND FROM A STAGE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, AND THEN THE WATER MASTER PLAN REALLY OPENED EVERYBODY'S EYES TO JUST COME TO THE REALIZATION OF THIS IS, THIS REALLY IS NEEDED.
THIS IS HOW EVERY OTHER UTILITY IS DOING IT.
YOU GET TO THIS CAPACITY AND OR THIS LEVEL ON YOUR RESERVOIR.
IT HAS TO GET BACK UP TO THIS AMOUNT OR LEVEL.
AND SO REALLY JUST, IT WAS MORE OF A GROUP EFFORT OF IDENTIFYING THAT, BRINGING THAT TO CITY MANAGER AND LEADERSHIP AND JUST THEM ADOPTING THAT, THAT SENSE THAT THIS, THIS IS NEEDED AND IT'S, AND COUNCIL APPROVED IT FAST TO CONDUCT THE STUDY.
SO THAT HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE THIS IS MUCH NEEDED INFORMATION, NOT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS THIS KIND OF CONFUSED, LIKE, WHERE ARE WE AT AND HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA CHANGE? SO I, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM, WHOEVER BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD YEARS AGO.
AND SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR RECOGNIZING THIS AND BRINGING IT TO US.
IT WAS A LOT OF HARD WORK AND MR. VAN WINKLE AND HIS TEAM, AND REALLY PUT A LOT INTO THIS.
SO GREAT, GREAT THANKS TO HIM AND ALL THE EFFORTS THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? WE'RE GOOD.
SO IF I COULD, MAYOR, JUST TO CLOSE IT, UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS PROCESS IS WE MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND OUR BOSS, AMBER, THE DEPUTY CITY
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MANAGER.UM, WE MEET EVERY MONDAY JUST ABOUT, UH, SOMETIMES WE TAKE A, A WEEK OFF OR SO, BUT WE TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS IS THE KEY PROCESS OR PART OF OUR WATER, UM, WATER TEAM MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND SO WHAT WE WILL DO, UM, GOING FORWARD, UM, THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED FOR TONIGHT.
UH, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ALREADY, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE FEEDBACK, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE THAT.
AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE ADDRESS THOSE IN, UM, THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK, LIKE TIM WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, AN ORDINANCE APPROVAL TO THE SEA OF COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY SOMETIME, UM, UM, BY THE END OF, UH, THIS MONTH OR AUGUST OR SOMETIME LIKE THAT, BUT VERY RECENTLY.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE IS AN AMENDMENT OR, OR NOT AMENDMENT, BUT A CHANGE TO OUR, OUR OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, WE WILL THEN GET WITH AMBER AND PERVEZ, DISCUSS IT IN OUR WATER TEAM MEETING.
AND THEN WE WILL DECIDE, OR PERVE WILL DECIDE WHO, HOW WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND LET COUNCIL KNOW.
BUT IT WAS PEREZ'S IDEA TO USE THE, THE COLORING PATTERN FOR THE, UM, DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.
SO WE'VE GOT THAT IN THERE AND, AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
AND SO NOW WE KNOW IF, AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL BECOME SO, UM, OBVIOUS TO OUR CI OUR CITIZENS WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT STAGE WE'RE IN.
YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT IT BY THE COLOR AND TELL IT IT'S, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY, LIKE TIM WAS SAYING, IT'S THE TACO BELL, THE HOT SAUCE,
IT'S HOT THAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT STAGE WE'RE GONNA BE IN.
BUT, UM, THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK.
UM, AND THESE GUYS DID A GREAT JOB, UH, PUTTING IT TOGETHER, THE LEADERSHIP OF, OR THAT AMBER IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO THIS PROJECT, LETTING US KNOW IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK OR WE'RE GETTING TOO FAR AS THROUGH.
BUT IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, UH, PENALIZE OUR CITIZENS OR ALL THAT.
I THINK COUNCILMAN MCKINNEY'S, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND SO THIS PROCESS IS GONNA DEFINITELY HELP IN THE TRANSPARENCY OF THAT PROCESS.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR THAT.
[III.5) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback regarding Water Conservation Rebate Program.]
AGENDA ITEM FIVE, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING WATER CONSERVATION REBA REBATE PROGRAM.SO THIS IS A PROGRAM, UM, THAT WE STARTED AS A PILOT.
UM, IT'S ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, JESSICA, RIGHT? THAT, THAT WE STARTED THIS PROJECT.
AND SO WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO GET, UH, JESSICA WRIGHT ON OUR STAFF AS OUR CONSERVATION COORDINATOR.
SHE HAS BEEN AN AWESOME ADDITION TO, UM, THE WORK THAT WE DO.
YOU MAY NOT KNOW IT, BUT SHE'S OUT THERE, SHE'S OUT THERE WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE CITIZENS, HELPING THEM, EDUCATING THEM.
AND ALSO, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON PLANS TO GET HER INTO PROBABLY THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, AGE GROUP TO START, YOU KNOW, UM, EDUCATING THOSE STUDENTS BECAUSE WE KNOW AN EDUCATED STUDENT CREATES AN EDUCATED PARENT.
AND SO THOSE, THAT'S OUR GOAL AT THE END OF THE DAY TO DO THAT.
BUT SHE'S ALSO IN THE HOAS AND SHE'S ALSO JUST MEETING WITH CUSTOMERS.
AND IF SOMEBODY IS MISBEHAVING, SHE'LL PAY THEM A VISIT VERY POLITELY AND SAY, CAN I HELP YOU FIGURE THIS OUT? SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, THE STATUS OF THE CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM, UM, AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT, UH, WHAT OUR, UM, OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE MOVING THAT FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MURPHY.
UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, MY NAME IS JESSICA WRIGHT.
I'M SERVING AS THE FIRST WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR.
SO IN ADDITION TO LOTS OF EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, UM, I'VE ALSO BEEN TASKED WITH, UH, UH, IMPLEMENTING THE EXISTING REBATE PROGRAMS, WHICH FOCUS MORE ON INDOOR CONSERVATION MEASURES, AS WELL AS THESE NEW PILOT REBATE PROGRAMS. SO, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, AS MR. MURPHY MENTIONED, UM, IN OCTOBER, 2024, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RESOLUTION 1652, WHICH AMENDED THE CURRENT, UH, EXISTING REBATE PROGRAMS, AGAIN, WHICH FOCUSED, UH, A LITTLE BIT OR CONTINUES TO FOCUS ON INDOOR CONSERVATION MEASURES, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY A RESOLUTION IN 23 TO INCLUDE A PILOT RAIN BARREL REBATE PROGRAM, AS WELL AS A PILOT TURF GRASS, UH, REPLACEMENT OR WATER SAVER LANDSCAPE PROGRAM.
REALLY TO FOCUS THE REBATE INCENTIVE ON WHAT WE KNOW IS A BIG DRIVER OF OUR DEMAND, THAT'S OUTDOOR IRRIGATION.
WE WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, WITH THIS PRESENTATION TO JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME PROPERTY CODES THAT ARE REALLY RELEVANT TO THESE PROGRAMS. UM, A PART OF MY WORK HAS BEEN INCREASING OUTREACH WITH HOAS, UM, THAT'S UPDATING OUR CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE HOAS
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AND KYLE, AS WELL AS NOW I'M GIVING PRESENTATIONS AT HOA MEETINGS, UM, AND BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE HOA MANAGERS TO DISCUSS ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPING AND WHAT THEIR RESIDENTS KIND OF WANNA DO FOR WATER CONSERVATION.SO IN THAT VEIN, AN OLDER, UH, STATE PROPERTY CODE 2 0 2 0 0 7 DOES, UH, RESTRICT HOAS FROM PROHIBITING HOMEOWNERS PROPERTY OWNERS FROM INSTALLING RAIN BARRELS OR USING DROUGHT RESISTANT LANDSCAPING.
THAT, SO BEING A BIG QUESTION WITH THE WATER SAVER LANDSCAPE REBATE PROGRAM, RESIDENTS WANNA KNOW, WILL MY HOA ALLOW THIS? SO TECHNICALLY THAT STATE, UH, PROPERTY CODE DOES PROHIBIT THE HOAS FROM PROHIBITING THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT THE, THERE IS SOME FINE PRINT THAT THE HOAS CAN REGULATE THE AESTHETICS AND OF COURSE, REQUIRE DESCRIPTIONS OR PLANS.
SO THAT'S BEEN A BIG PART OF THE HOA ENGAGEMENT.
UM, AND OF COURSE, IN THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THAT REBATE PROGRAM, WE ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO ALWAYS SUBMIT THEIR LANDSCAPING PLANS, UH, TO THEIR HOA FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
AND THEN WE JUST, THIS IS A LITTLE LESS RELATED TO THE REBATE PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT A NEW STATE PROPERTY CODE HERE.
UM, AS IT'S BEEN IN, IN 2324, IT CAME TO SOME ATTENTION, BUT, UH, A NEW STATE PROPERTY CODE IS THAT HOAS CANNOT FIND RESIDENTS IF THEIR LAWNS TURN BROWN LIKE DURING THE SUMMERTIME THERE, THEIR SUMMER, SUMMERTIME, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUMMER BLONDE, UH, WHILE WE HAVE ANY MANDATORY DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS IN EFFECT.
SO JUST SOME ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND TO THE PROGRAMS. BUT MOVING ON TO THE PILOT RAIN BARREL REBATE PROGRAM, THIS PROGRAM, UH, REIMBURSES RESIDENTS UP TO $200 FOR A MINIMUM, A 50 GALLON RAIN BARREL AND ANY ASSOCIATED ACCESSORIES THEY NEED, UM, ADAPTERS FOR THEIR DOWNSPOUTS OR BLOCKS TO RAISE UP THE BARREL OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT HAS AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF $10,000.
UM, THE PILOT PROGRAM IS LIMITED TO THE FIRST 50 APPLICANTS, AND WE'VE SEEN SLOW PROGRESS, BUT PROGRESS AS OUTREACH CONTINUES FOR THESE PROGRAMS. IN FISCAL YEAR 24, 25, WE HAD 12 APPLICANTS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THE PROGRAM, UH, RESULTING IN A $1,589,000 IN CHANGE PAYOUT.
SO FAR IN FIFTH FISCAL YEAR, 25, 26, UH, WE'VE HAD 20 APPLICANTS SO FAR.
THREE OF THEM ARE IN PROGRESS.
I DO A SITE VISIT FOR THIS AND THE LANDSCAPE PROGRAM TO JUST HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENT AND ENSURE THEY'RE INSTALLING THE BARREL CORRECTLY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, SO FAR THAT'S COME TO A $2,770 AND CHANGE PAYOUT.
AND FOR THIS FINAL WATER SAVINGS ESTIMATE, IT'S, IT'S, I WE'VE PUT TO THE BEST OF MY AND MY TEAM'S ABILITY THAT IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES WITH THIS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY, IT'S JUST VERY, VERY CHALLENGING TO CALCULATE THE EXACT GALLON SAVED FROM THIS PROGRAM.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT OF COURSE DOESN'T HAVE VALUE.
THE RESIDENTS ARE VERY, UH, ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS AND ALL OF THE WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, BUT ALL OF THE APPLICANTS ARE APPROACHING THIS PROGRAM VERY DIFFERENTLY.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT WITH THESE PILOT PROGRAMS, IS THAT WE WANNA BE THEM TO BE FLEXIBLE FOR THE RESIDENTS DIFFERENT NEEDS.
BUT FOR THIS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY, SOME RESIDENTS ARE JUST DOING ONE 50 GALLON, SOME RESIDENTS IN THAT NEWSLETTER THAT JUST CAME OUT, SHE'S GOT 10 ALL ON THE SIDE OF HER HOUSE.
SOME OF THEM ARE GOING BIGGER, 300, 400 GALLON KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE HOA.
AND THEN OF COURSE, A RAIN BARREL DEPENDS ON RAIN.
UM, SO WE HAD A RAINY JUNE, BUT MAYBE I THINK THREE AND A HALF INCHES, WHICH IS GREAT, THAT WILL FILL UP A 50 GALLON BARREL VERY QUICKLY, AND IN FACT, OVERFLOW IT.
SO WHEN IT RAINS AND THE 50 GALLON BARREL RAIN FILLS UP, THERE'S NO NEED TO USE THAT.
SO ALL THAT EXTRA RAINWATER IS ACTUALLY JUST NOT GOING INTO THE BARREL.
SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF VARIABLES TO ACTUALLY CALCULATE, UM, A SPECIFIC GALLON SAY FOR THIS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY.
NOW, THE LANDSCAPE REBATE PROGRAM IS A, A TURF REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
WE KNOW THAT, THAT THAT TURF GRASS, THAT LAWN IS JUST VERY, VERY THIRSTY.
SO THIS TARGETS THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY.
UM, IT INITIALLY INITIALLY REIMBURSED RESIDENTS, UH, $250 FOR A MINIMUM OF 500 SQUARE FEET OF TURF GRASS REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH, UH, ELIGIBLE ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS NATIVE PLANTS, BUT ALSO MULCH OR GRAVEL OR RIVER ROCK OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND IF THERE WAS ANY IRRIGATION IN THAT LANDSCAPED AREA, THAT WOULD ALSO HAD TO BE CAPPED OR PERMANENTLY REMOVED AS WELL.
FOLLOWING OUR FIRST FEW APPLICANTS TO THIS PROGRAM WHO MET EVERY OTHER REQUIREMENT, BUT ONLY REMOVED ABOUT THREE 400 SQUARE FEET OF TURF GRASS, WE REVISED THIS, UH, SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT TO REIMBURSE INSTEAD A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT UP TO 250.
SO IT, IT KEEPS THAT PAYOUT THE SAME, BUT JUST ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY
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FOR THE RESIDENTS.ALL THAT TO SAY, GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT, ON AVERAGE, OUR RESIDENTS ARE REMOVING MORE THAN THAT AS WE'VE CONTINUED AND MORE AND MORE RESIDENTS PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM, BUT THAT ALLOWS FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY.
SOME OF THE OTHER UTILITIES IN THE AREA PAY IT OUT LIKE THAT AS WELL, A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT.
WE ALSO REVISED THE WEBSITE AND THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THIS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY TO INCLUDE A MUCH MORE ROBUST HOST AND SOURCE OF NATIVE PLANT RESOURCES.
UM, I ALSO HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT CONNECTIONS WITH GARDENING GROUPS AND MASTER NATURALIST GROUPS AND NATIVE PLANT GROUPS IN THIS AREA TO BUILD OUT THOSE RESOURCES AND HELP MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE NATIVE PLANTS AS A REPLACEMENT FOR TRADITIONAL TURF GRASS OVER ARGUABLY OVER JUST HARDSCAPING.
UM, HARDSCAPING CAN REDUCE WATER, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WATERING THE LAWN, BUT SPEAKING TO, UM, HEAT ISLAND, IT CAN ROCKS CAN GET VERY HOT.
UM, AND THE NATIVE PLANTS, OF COURSE HAVE A SLEW OF OTHER RESOURCES FOR POLLINATORS AND SOIL AND ET CETERA.
THIS PROGRAM HAS AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF 12,500, UH, BUDGETED LIKE THE RAIN BARREL PROGRAM, UH, TO 50 APPLICANTS.
AND THE FISCAL YEAR BREAKDOWN IS, THIS DOESN'T PAINT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
THIS PROGRAM, UH, IS A LOT OF WORK START TO FINISH.
THAT IS THE MOST CONSISTENT PIECE OF FEEDBACK IS THAT THIS PROGRAM IS JUST A LOT OF WORK FOR NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, SO WHEN I SAY TWO APPLICANTS, WE HAD MORE APPLICANTS APPLYING IN FISCAL YEAR 24, 25, BUT THEY DIDN'T COMPLETE AND GET PAID OUT UNTIL THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO IN 24, 25, WE ONLY HAD TWO APPLICANTS ACTUALLY COMPLETE THE PROGRAM ALL THE WAY THROUGH, RESULTING IN THAT MAXIMUM $500 PAYOUT, TWO 50 FOR EACH.
AND IN THIS FISCAL YEAR SO FAR, OF COURSE WE'VE SEEN MORE MOMENTUM.
WE'VE GOT 22 8 OF WHICH ARE IN PROGRESS.
THEY SUBMIT THEIR INITIAL LANDSCAPING PLANS TO ME, I GO THROUGH AND I WALK THEM THROUGH THEIR SITE.
WE TALK ABOUT THEIR LANDSCAPING PLANS, THEY COMPLETE THE WORK AND THEN SUBMIT ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO ME.
AND THEN I APPROVE, UH, THEIR REBATE APPLICATION RESULTING SO FAR IN A $3,262 PAYOUT.
THE ESTIMATED WATER SAVINGS FOR THIS ONE IS AN ESTIMATE, BUT IT'S BASED ON MORE SPECIFIC VARIABLES THAT WE'RE BETTER ABLE TO QUANTIFY.
ASSUMING THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE FOLLOWING THE WATERING SCHEDULE AND OUR WATERING AN INCH FOR THEIR LANDSCAPE PER SQUARE FOOT, ENABLES US TO ACTUALLY CALCULATE BASED ON HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF TURF GRESS THEY'RE REMOVING, HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY SAVING.
SO ON AVERAGE, THIS PROGRAM IS SHOWING SO FAR ABOUT 851 GALLONS PER MONTH SAVINGS ON AVERAGE ACROSS, UH, THE RESIDENTS.
SO FAR, TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE REMOVED HAS BEEN OVER 9,000 SQUARE FEET OF TURF GRASS.
AND AS I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER, UM, ON AVERAGE THE APPLICANTS ARE REMOVING MORE THAN THAT'S, UH, TWO 50 MINIMUM.
WELL, FOR THE PAYOUT, UM, IT KIND OF DEPENDS.
WE WANNA KEEP THIS PROGRAM FLEXIBLE BECAUSE EVERY RESIDENT HAS DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING GOALS OR IDEAS FOR THEIR LANDSCAPE.
SOME OF THEM ARE COMBINING THE SIDE YARD WITH THE FRONT YARD, WITH THE BACKYARD, AND DEPENDING ON THEIR HOA REQUIREMENTS FOR TURF GRASS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE POINT THAT I REALLY WANNA MAKE ON THIS SLIDE AND WHERE THIS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY IS THAT ON AVERAGE SO FAR, THE RESIDENTS ARE THE APPLICANTS ARE SPENDING OVER $2,000 TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK.
UM, MANY OF THE, MAYBE IT'S ALMOST HALF AND HALF.
UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE DIYING, THEY'RE PUTTING IN THAT, THAT SWEAT LABOR, THEY'RE DOING THAT HARD WORK OF REMOVING THE TURF RES AND REPLACING IT, BUT THEY'RE STILL SPENDING BETWEEN MAYBE FOUR AND $800 ON AVERAGE.
BUT THEN MANY OF OUR APPLICANTS ARE SEEKING PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPING SERVICES TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS, WHICH THEY'RE SPENDING SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S JUST SHOWING, AND I THINK THAT'S, WELL, THAT IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF FEEDBACK CONSISTENTLY.
BUT I THINK A BIG BARRIER FOR THIS PROGRAM IS THAT IT'S JUST A LOT OF LABOR, UM, FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT PAYS OUT AS DEMONSTRATED BY HOW MUCH THEY'RE SPENDING ON THE NATIVE PLANTS OR THE SERVICES OR THE TOOLS OR THE, THE LANDSCAPING COMPANY, ET CETERA.
UM, BEFORE I GO INTO THE OPTIONS, I DO WANNA SAY THAT THOSE WATER SAVINGS AND FOR THE RAINBOW, OF COURSE, WHILE THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY BIG, GRANDIOSE WATER SAVINGS NUMBERS, THAT DOESN'T, OF COURSE DEVALUE BUILDING A CONSERVATION MINDSET.
AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE'RE ROLLING OUT A MI AND A MORE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND DIRECT CONTINGENCY PLAN THAT DOESN'T DEVALUE BUILDING A CONSERVATION MINDSET.
UM, AND THEN MR. NANDOR SAID IT, THE CHEAPEST WATER THAT WE HAVE IS THE WATER THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
SO WHILE I'M SHOWING GALLONS SAVED, THAT'S ALSO NOT NECESSARILY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE WA ALL OF THE EXPENSE AND WATER THAT WOULD TO GET NEW SOURCES THAT WE'RE SAVING BY PARTICIPATING IN THESE PROGRAMS. SO THEY DON'T SHOW THE HIGHEST GALLON SAVED NECESSARILY, BUT THE RESIDENTS STILL REALLY LIKE THEM AND THEY STILL HAVE VALUE.
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SO THE OPTIONS FOR THE PILOT PROGRAMS, UH, ARE, WOULD BE TO ENDORSE OR RETIRE ONE OR BOTH OF THEM AS IS OR WITH AMENDMENTS.THAT'S SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING THAT I'M SEEKING TONIGHT, WOULD BE FEEDBACK ON KIND OF THE DIRECTION FOR THESE PROGRAMS BASED ON HOW THEY'RE GOING SO FAR.
UM, BUT THEN ALSO TO CONSIDER INTRODUCING AN ARGUABLY MORE EFFECTIVE REBATE.
UM, COMBINED WITH, AS WAS MENTIONED, SOME INCREASED CUSTOMER SERVICE MEASURES.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH INTO WHAT OTHER UTILITIES ARE DOING IN THE AREA.
NEW BRAUNFELS AND SAN ANTONIO, UM, OFFER THIS CUSTOMER SERVICE TO THEIR RESIDENTS WHERE THEY GO AND ACTUALLY WALK FOLKS THROUGH THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM, THEIR AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION SYSTEM.
AND OFTEN BOTH NEW BRAUNFELS AND SAN ANTONIO WILL PAIR THAT WITH A VERY IRRIGATION FOCUSED REBATE.
SO I'LL JUMP TO THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO FIRST OFF, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, INCREASING THE PAYOUT OF THAT TURFGRASS REBATE PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S A BIG BARRIER TO PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROGRAM AND IS ALSO DEMONSTRATED BY WHAT RESIDENTS ARE SO FAR SPENDING TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, BUT TO ALSO CONSIDER INTRODUCING AN IRRIGATION FOCUSED REBATE.
UM, JUST TO REALLY ADDRESS WHERE WE KNOW THAT WATER IS GOING IN THE SUMMERTIME, PAIRED WITH SOME, SOME MORE EDUCATION, UM, WHICH WE BELIEVE WOULD REPRESENT A BETTER INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY OF KYLE'S WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
EXCUSE ME, JUST TO GO INTO THAT, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE KIND OF COMPONENT A LITTLE MORE.
UM, OTHER UTILITIES, CALL THEM IRRIGATION AUDITS OR SPRINKLER CHECKUPS.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A CITY STAFF PERSON AND EVEN BETTER A, A LICENSED OR IRRIGATION TRAINED CITY STAFF PERSON TO GO TO RESIDENTS HOUSEHOLD BY APPOINTMENT AND JUST WALK THEM THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM.
UM, RUN THEIR SYSTEM WITH THEM, TALK THEM THROUGH HOW TO USE THEIR AUTOMATIC CONTROLLER IN THE GARAGE AROUND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, HELP THEM PROGRAM IT CORRECTLY AS WE SAW IN THAT A MI EXAMPLE.
UH, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE WATERING IN THE MORNING AND EVENING.
AND THEN ALSO FIND INEFFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEM AS IT RUNS.
SO IF IT'S MISTING DUE TO HIGH PRESSURE OR WATERING THE SIDEWALK OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THIS IS A SERVICE THAT SOME OTHER UTILITIES IN THE AREA DO.
I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHADOW THEM ON THESE, UH, THESE CONSULTATIONS AND THE RESIDENTS REALLY ENJOY IT, EXCUSE ME.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE PAIRING IT WITH KIND OF AN IRRIGATION FOCUSED UPGRADE SPECIFICALLY.
SO THAT'S FOR THINGS LIKE SMART CONTROLLER UPGRADES, RAIN SENSORS, PRESSURE REGULATING SPRINKLER HEADS OR ZONE VALVE REMOVAL ENTIRELY, JUST KILLING OFF A WHOLE ZONE AND PAYING BACK FOR THAT.
SO SAS WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH SOME DATA FOR THAT KIND OF REBATE PROGRAM PAIRED WITH SOME EDUCATION.
AND THAT'S SHOWING FOR THEM ON AVERAGE OF OVER 1500 GALLON SAVED PER MONTH.
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS.
UH, THIS IS OF COURSE THE QUESTION SLIDE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
AND I DO WANNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK MY REALLY, REALLY GREAT TEAM.
IT'S VERY EXCITING TO BE, UM, INVOLVED IN WATER WHEN THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH PROGRESS GOING ON AND CONSERVATION IS A HUGE PART OF THAT.
WE'RE GONNA START WITH MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS.
WELL, THANK YOU JESSICA, AND APPRECIATE IT.
WELL, THAT ANSWERS WHY I NEVER GOT A LETTER FROM MY HOA
YOU SEE MY YARD, I DON'T HAVE NATIVE PLANTS.
I HAVE NATIVE ROOTS GROWING
AND MY WIFE HATES IT, BUT I LOVE IT 'CAUSE I AIN'T GOTTA WORRY ABOUT IT AND CUT THAT GRASS.
BUT, UH, IT'S, I REMEMBER WHEN THIS, UH, RAIN BARREL THING CAME ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK DR. HARRIS AND BE HEISER WERE BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
AND IT WAS A VERY UNIQUE AND INNOVATIVE IDEA AND, UH, SUPPORTED IT AND SAID, WELL, LET'S TRY IT.
WE MIGHT GET SOME RAIN ONE DAY.
SO IT, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT IT'S WORKING OUT FOR SOME PEOPLE ON THAT END.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO USE THE GRASS OR PUT THE TURF GRASS WOULD ACTUALLY BE AT A HIGHER RATE.
BUT IF, EVEN IF THEY WERE TO GET $500 BACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT KIND OF HELPS IN THAT SENSE THERE.
AND IT ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM MAINTENANCE OF YARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD REDUCE MOWING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND, AND THAT KIND OF EMISSIONS IN THE AIR AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR AS I APPRECIATE IT.
GOOD JOB ON YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, I WANNA TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RAIN BARREL SPECIFICALLY.
THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO PROMOTE, UM, RAIN BARRELS TO CITY OF KYLE RESIDENTS.
IT'S VERY, THE RESIDENTS THAT, WELL, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE DOING THE PROGRAMS ARE OF COURSE ALREADY VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT CONSERVATION, BUT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME OTHER WAYS TO MAYBE GET RAIN BARRELS OUT TO THE CITY,
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TO THE RESIDENTS.UM, BUYING THEM IN BULK WAS AN OPTION AND IS PRACTICED BY SOME OTHER UTILITIES.
AND THEN HAVING AN EVENT THAT'S VERY WELL PUBLICIZED WHERE WE GIVE THEM AWAY FOR FREE OR AT A REDUCED COST SO THAT WE CAN SEE A LARGE AMOUNT OF RAIN BARRELS GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY IN MAYBE A DIFFERENT FORMAT THAN THIS REBATE.
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY COMMERCIAL OR BUSINESSES, UH, WANTING TO JUMP ON BOARD WITH THAT? HAVE YOU GOT ANY FEEDBACK? I, EARLY ON WHEN I FIRST STARTED THE ROLE, I HAD A COMPANY REACH OUT TO ME WHO WAS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC WITH PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF KYLE.
IT'S NOT COMING TO THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.
BUT THERE, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, YES, THERE ARE, I'VE, I'VE SEEN INTEREST.
MAYBE THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM, UH, FROM THAT, FROM THAT LEVEL.
AND, AND REACH OUT TO NOT ONLY JUST NEWER BUSINESSES, BUT ONES THAT ARE EXISTING TO SAY, HEY, WOULD YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE THIS FOR YOUR FRONT AREA WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR FLOWERS OR FLOWER PITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU CAN PROMOTE IT THAT WAY AS WELL.
YEAH, APPARENTLY I WAS MISINFORMED.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THE RAIN BARREL PROGRAM HAD BEEN MAXED OUT, THAT WE HAD ALREADY, UH, HAD EVERYBODY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, THOSE FIRST 50.
SO, UM, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO JUMP IN THERE BEFORE I DO.
SO
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY NEED TO ADD TO IT UNTIL WE'VE, YOU KNOW, SPENT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ALLOCATED.
BUT THERE'S SEE NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T, UH, MAINTAIN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SET ASIDE.
UM, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE, UH, THE SPRINKLER CHECKUP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU BUY THE HOUSE AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALREADY INSTALLED, A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
LUCKILY THE GUY BOUGHT MY HOUSE FROM LAST, HE HAD EVERY SINGLE INSTRUCTION MANUAL FROM EVERY APPLIANCE
UM, BUT I WAS ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND PROGRAM IT ALL CORRECTLY.
I CANNOT SAY THAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS HOUSES THAT I'VE HAD, EVEN HERE IN THE CITY OF KYLE.
UM, MY FIRST HOUSE HERE, I HAD A LOT OF TRIAL AND ERROR, SOME EXPENSIVE TRIAL AND ERROR MM-HMM
SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN TREMENDOUSLY BENEFICIAL.
SO I DEFINITELY LIKE THAT IDEA.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GET THE, THE WORD OUT TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT RAINBOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I, YOU, YOU GOT SOME GREAT IDEAS.
COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, HOW DOES OUR REIMBURSEMENT RATE MATCH WITH OTHER CITIES? WELL, I CAN SPEAK TO NEW BRAUNFELS.
UM, I, I RESEARCH THEM AND WORK WITH THEM A LOT.
UM, NEW BRAUNFELS IS PAYING ABOUT $2,000 FOR THEIR TURFGRASS, THEY CALL IT JUST TURF REMOVAL.
AND THEY'RE PAYING $2,500 FOR, UH, RAIN BARRELS.
AND THEN THEY ALSO USE THE WORD CISTERNS VERY SPECIFICALLY TO FOCUS ON LARGER PAYOUTS, SAN ANTONIO, UM, OR SAWS.
I, WHICH I THINK THE, THE WATER SAVER LANDSCAPE PROGRAM WAS KIND OF MIRRORED AFTER, DOES A, UM, A NATIVE PLANT COUPON SPECIFICALLY FOR $250.
SO THAT ONE IS COMPARABLE, BUT THE NEW BRAUNFELS ONE PAYS OUT A LOT MORE.
SO THEY JUST, UM, HAD CUSTOMERS WHERE THEY, UM, GATHERED UP, I SEE.
I GAVE A, A REBATE, A DISCOUNT ON THAT.
UM, ORDERED THE, ORDERED THE RAIN BARRELS AND JUST HAD A DISTRIBUTION EVENT.
UM, AND IT WAS A, IT WAS SEVERAL HUNDRED RAIN BARRELS THAT WERE, THAT WERE GIVEN AWAY OVER A COUPLE YEAR PERIOD EACH TIME.
SO, AND DID THEY HAVE A TURF REPLACEMENT? THEY DO NOT HAVE A TURF FOR REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE, UM, ON THE SCOPE OF, YOU KNOW, FINDING A PARTNERSHIP TO PURCHASE MULTIPLE RAIN BARRELS AT A COMMERCIAL PRICE TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE VERSUS THE $200 REIMBURSEMENT, UM, FOR UP TO 50.
JUST LOOKING AT THE WAY IT'S GROWN, IT'S ALMOST DOUBLED FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR TO THE NEXT.
BUT EVEN WITH THAT, YOU'RE ONLY AVERAGING ABOUT 132 TO HUNDRED $38 REIMBURSEMENT PER RAIN BARREL FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT USING OUR FULL CAPACITY ON THAT.
UM, AND WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF WE COULD REDUCE THE, IF WE COULD GET MORE FOR THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING THE BUDGET TO BE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE MORE TO PUT TOWARDS THE TURF REMOVAL, WHICH WOULD BE A GREAT PROGRESS.
COUNCIL MEMBER GOZA, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF REDUCING THE REBATE AMOUNT FOR THE RAIN BARRELS.
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AS $50 FOR A 50 GALLON ONE ON AMAZON.AND SO IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT OPTION, $200 SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR JUST ONE BARREL.
UM, I DO LIKE THE SPRINKLER CHECKUPS, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE PEOPLE INSTRUCTION ABOUT IT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPRINKLER HEADS THAT ARE MISSING AND KIND OF ALL OF THAT STUFF AND JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT.
UM, I LIKE THE, THE TURF CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
I DON'T, BECAUSE OF OUR FINANCIAL STATUS THOUGH, LIKE IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO EXPAND THAT.
BUT, UM, HOW MUCH WILL IT AFFECT US TO KEEP THE FUNDING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE HAVE IN THOSE PROGRAMS? PERVE? I KNOW IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT EVERY AMOUNT COUNTS NOW IT SEEMS WE CAN, WE CAN ADD TO IT IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR IF COUNCIL CHOOSES THAT WITHOUT IMPACTING THE RATING WATER RIGHTS.
UM, THAT TAKES CARE OF MY QUESTIONS THEN.
SO, AND YOU'LL SEE IN A, AN UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING, UM, THERE, THERE IS A, A GRANT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DID SUBMIT FOR.
SO WE'LL COME BACK FOR, FOR YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL ON THAT.
BUT IT, IT WOULD BE TO MATCH AT OUR, OUR CURRENT RATE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR, UH, AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN, IN FUNDING AT, AT, AT THIS TIME.
THIS CAN MAYBE A, A REDIRECTION OR, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BIT LARGER AMOUNTS MAYBE TO, TO TRY TO GET THE, GET SOME MOMENTUM GOING ON THE PROGRAMS, UM, UNLESS THAT'S THE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO, TO INCREASE IT.
BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SEEKING ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
SO, AND HOPEFULLY THE GRANT COMES, COMES IN AND WE'LL HAVE A, A 50 50 MATCH AND SO WE CAN DOUBLE OUR BUDGET THAT WAY.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS GONNA BE, DO YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP KIND OF PUSH OR EDUCATE PEOPLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK RAIN BARRELS AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WOULD PUT IT, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'D DO WITH IT ONCE I GET IT WAS FULL.
LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE, TO PUSH THESE PROGRAMS OUT A LITTLE BIT? TO PUSH BOTH PROGRAMS OR THE RAIN BARREL SPECIFICALLY? EITHER ONE.
YEAH, BOTH PROGRAMS. I AM DOING OUTREACH TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
I THINK CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE HOAS.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE OFTEN FACEBOOK GROUPS OR NEWSLETTERS FOR THEIR RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLY.
AND IT'S COMING FROM THE HOAI THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT FRIENDLIER BECAUSE SO FAR THAT'S A REALLY COMMON QUESTION IS, I REALLY WANNA DO THIS, BUT I'M NERVOUS.
SO TRYING TO GO THROUGH WHERE THE HOA IS PROMOTED ON THEIR END, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS WORK FOR ME IF THEY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, UM, AND THEN PUSH IT TO THEIR RESIDENTS FROM THAT END.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONE PEOPLE ARE AWARE.
'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW.
I DON'T LIVE IN AN HOA, SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T GET THAT INFORMATION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST AWARENESS MIGHT, MAYBE IF WE STICK SOMETHING IN THE, IN THE WATER BILL THAT WAS LIKE, DO YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DO A RAIN BARREL AND EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE AND MAYBE I'M LIVING IN A MAKE-BELIEVE WORLD, BUT IF WE HAD, LIKE, IF KYLE HAD RAIN BARRELS THAT WERE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE CITY, AND SO THEN THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE WANNA GRAVITATE TOWARDS BUYING THOSE AND IT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE MORE UNIFORM.
THAT MAY BE WAY OFF INTO THE FUTURE, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
UH, EVERY, EVERY, I APPRECIATE EVERY INSIGHT.
UM, UNLESS SOMETHING HAS CHANGED EARLY ON, I, I DID TRY TO PUT, AND I THINK IT'S MONTHLY, BUT IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN, SOMETIMES IT GETS PUSHED BY OTHER MESSAGING.
BUT A DID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REBATES SHOULD BE IN UTILITY BILLS AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN NEW CUSTOMER LETTERS FOR NEW CUSTOMERS.
THEY GET KIND OF A INTRODUCTION TO HOW TO PAY THEIR BILLS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE AN, UH, A SHEET IN THAT AS WELL FOR NEW CUSTOMERS.
DID YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REBATES, SO.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE PURSUED, WHETHER IT'S, IT, IT, IT TAKES CONSTANT KIND OF BUMPING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CONTINUES.
BUT, UH, THAT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE STILL GOING, MOVING FORWARD.
AND MAYBE THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING WE CAN, WE HAVE LIKE WEEKLY OR YEAH.
WEEKLY NEWSLETTERS THAT GO OUT VIA EMAIL.
I WORK OFTEN WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT REBATES ARE INVOLVED IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE NEWSLETTERS AND ALL OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE? NOPE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE FEEDBACK.
[III.6) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction regarding the Utility Customer Assistance Program (UCAP), including implementation of voluntary donations and rounding bill payments to the nearest whole dollar.]
AGENDA ITEM SIX, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION REGARDING THE UTILITY CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE, UCAP OR UTILITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM UCAP, INCLUDING IMPLEMENTATION OF VOLUNTARY DONATIONS AND ROUNDING BILL PAYMENTS TO THE NEAREST WHOLE DOLLAR ITEM PRESENTER.GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD.
I'M ANDY ALEJANDRO, THE INTERIM DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF
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FINANCE.AND TONIGHT I'M BRINGING FORWARD THE, AN UPDATE TO THE UTILITY CUSTOMER, UH, ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
SO WE DID START A PILOT PROGRAM AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME FUNDAMENTAL, SOME FUNDING ENHANCEMENTS FOR THIS PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE VOLUNTARY DONATIONS AND THE ROUNDING BILL PAYMENT PROGRAM.
FIRST, THE COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF IN 2024 TO DEVELOP A UTILITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN FEBRUARY, 2025.
COUNCIL ADOPTED GUIDELINES FOR THIS PROGRAM AND THEN WE STARTED IT IN JANUARY, 2026.
COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO OUR TO ADD GUARDRAILS AND STRUCTURE UCAP AS A PILOT ON MARCH 24TH, 2026, COUNCIL REQUEST OF REFINEMENTS TO STRENGTHEN ACCOUNTABILITY AND CLARIFY ADMINISTRATION.
AND ON APRIL 7TH, 2026, COUNCIL FORMALLY ADOPTED THE UCAP AS A SIX MONTH PILOT PROGRAM INITIATIVE, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO JUST AN OUTLINE OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY, I'M GONNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE SIX MONTH UCAP PILOT PROGRAM.
WE'LL GO INTO DISCUSSING THE EXPANDED FUNDING SOURCES, INCLUDING VOLUNTARY DONATIONS, THE ROUNDING, THE BILL PAYMENTS TO THE NEAREST TOTAL DOLLAR BENEFITS OF VOLUNTARY DONATIONS AND ROUNDING BILL PROGRAMS. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO REQUEST Y'ALL'S DIRECTION ON THE PATH TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO AS OF THIS WAS TWO WEEKS AGO, THIS PROGRAM HAS HELPED 42 HOUSEHOLDS SEEK FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FOR THEIR UTILITY BILL PAYMENTS.
46 PAYMENTS WERE POSTED TO 42 HOUSEHOLDS.
SO A FEW HOUSEHOLDS DID GET MULTIPLE PAYMENTS TO THEIR BILL.
THE TOTAL PAYMENT, THE TOTAL AMOUNT PAID IS $14,859 AND 29 CENTS, WHICH LEFT $15,140 AND 71 CENTS FROM THE $30,000 THAT WAS IN THE PILOT PROGRAM.
AND AS OF YESTERDAY, I GOT AN UPDATED NUMBER FROM CLARISSA GUERRERO.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD 21,000 PEOPLE THAT WE'VE ASSIST, OR $21,000 THAT WE USED AND WE'VE ASSISTED CUSTOMERS WITH.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE ABOUT $9,000 REMAINING IN THAT PROGRAM.
SO THE FIRST UH, PROGRAM WE'RE GONNA BRING TO Y'ALL IS FOR VOLUNTARY DONATIONS.
SO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES CAN CONTRIBUTE ANY AMOUNT, WHICH I'M STILL WORKING WITH IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE ANY AMOUNT.
WE HAVEN'T GOT CLEAR DIRECTION FROM OUR SOFTWARE SYSTEM IF, IF THERE'S A LIMIT OR NOT.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
THESE DONATIONS CAN BE ONE TIME OR RECURRING DONATIONS AND THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY.
AND THE, ANY, ANY FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED ARE RESTRICTED ONLY FOR UCAP AND THEY WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO ANYBODY THAT'S REQUESTING ASSISTANCE FROM THIS PROGRAM.
AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION WE WOULD HAVE IS THE ROUNDING BILL PAYMENTS.
SO THIS WILL, THIS WILL ALSO BE OPTIONAL AND IT'LL BE FOR UTILITY BILL PAYMENTS ROUNDING TO THE NEAREST DOLLAR.
AND THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE DONATED OR ALLOCATED TO THE UCAP FUND.
AND SO THIS WILL PROVIDE SMALL BUT MEANINGFUL, MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY SUPPORT SO THAT THE CUSTOMERS CAN USE THAT MONEY.
AND AGAIN, THESE FUNDS WILL BE RESTRICTED FOR UCAP USE ONLY A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THE ROUNDING BILL.
SO IF YOU HAD A BILL OF $74, IT WOULD BE ROUNDED UP TO $75 AND THAT WOULD BE A CON CONTRIBUTION OF 74 CENTS.
AND IF YOU HAD A BILL OF $91 AND 82 CENTS, THAT WOULD BE ROUNDED UP TO $92 RESULTING IN CONTRIBUTION OF 18 CENTS.
AND OF COURSE A BILL OF $120 WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED.
SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES TO THE UCAP WITHOUT INCREASING UTILITY RATES ARE REQUIRING GENERAL FUND SUPPORT.
ALL CONTRIBUTIONS ARE RESTRICTED FOR USE ONLY WITH THE U WITHIN THE UCAP PROGRAM AND ADMINISTERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ESTABLISHED PROGRAM GUIDELINES.
BOTH, BOTH PROGRAMS WILL BE COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY AND DESIGNED TO BE SIMPLE AND ACCESSIBLE.
ROUNDING BILL PROGRAMS CAN BE USED BY UTILITIES BECAUSE THEY GENERATE MODEST INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS THAT CAN, CAN COLLECTIVELY PROVIDE MEANINGFUL ASSISTANCE TO RESIDENTS FACING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP.
SO TONIGHT I'M ASKING IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NO CHANGES AND USE WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH IS THE $30,000, WHICH AS I SHOWED YOU, WE ONLY HAVE $9,000 REMAINING FOR THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ACCEPTING THE VOLUNTARY DONATIONS, MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTING A ROUNDING BILL PROGRAM, OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS OPTION FOUR OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING BOTH PROGRAMS AND IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IMPROVE, WE WOULD, WE'D,
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THE FIRST BILL THAT WOULD GO OUT WOULD BE FOR THE JULY BILL THAT'S DUE AUGUST 15TH.AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE.
I'M GONNA START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GZA IS, IF WE ACCEPT EITHER ONE OR BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS, UM, WHAT IS THE COST IN DOING THAT? IS THAT BEING DONE INHOUSE BY OUR IT IT'S DOING BEING DONE INHOUSE BY IT? YES.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I'M IN SUPPORT OF DOING BOTH OF THEM.
SO I KNOW, UM, WE ADOPTED THIS IN APRIL FOR A SIX MONTH PILOT.
WHEN WAS THE FIRST MONTH WE ACTUALLY STARTED HANDING OUT THE PAYMENTS TO THE RESIDENTS? MAY, MAY WAS THE FIRST MONTH.
SO TWO MONTHS WE'VE USED MORE THAN HALF OF THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.
YEAH, IT HAS PICKED UP THE LAST MONTH.
BECAUSE I SHOWED YOU AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO RIGHT? IT WAS 14,000 AND THEN IN TWO WEEKS IT WENT UP FROM 14 TO 21.
BASED ON THE NUMBERS IN THE PRESENTATION, IT'S AN AVERAGE OF LIKE 323 PER UM, PAYMENT FOR THE 46 PAYMENTS ON THE, THE ROUNDING UP OR THE, UM, THE, THE DONATIONS BEING VOLUNTARY.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY GOES ON TO PAY THEIR BILL ONLINE, THERE WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THERE WOULD BE AN OPTION AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE OPTIONS ONLINE AND IN THE BILL THEMSELVES.
AND SO WE'D HAVE TO RESTRUCTURE THE BILL 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF FULL RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA TAKE THE LONGEST.
SO WE'D HAVE TO PUT THAT WHERE WE CAN PUT BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS ON THERE.
AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME TWO OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE ONLINE AS WELL.
YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR AS LONG AS IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY.
SO IF SOMEONE YES MA'AM CAN AFFORD IT ONE MONTH AND CAN'T AFFORD IT THE NEXT MONTH.
YEAH, IT CAN BE AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN, I BELIEVE THEY CAN SET UP AS RECURRING IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO THAT MORE TIMES.
AND THEN YOU CAN STOP AT ANY TIME YOU WANTED TO SO IT WOULDN'T BE CONTINUING.
YEAH, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT FOR SURE.
'CAUSE WE'LL BE RUNNING OUTTA THAT $30,000.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DISCONTINUING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE OTHER PLANS, WE WILL CONTINUE THE 30.
AND THIS SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT.
YEAH, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
SO THIS WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE 30, SO WE COULD GIVE THE 30 PLUS WHATEVER WE CALL, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF THE 30 QUICKLY.
YEAH, I, I HAD TO PROOF OF THAT.
UH, AS, AS WE HIT THE SUMMER MONTHS, I'D EXPECT, YOU KNOW, THERE TO BE MORE UTILIZATION ON THIS 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST MORE WATER UTILIZATION, BUT HAVING GONE THROUGH AS MUCH AS WE HAVE SO QUICKLY, UH, WE NEED SOME VOLUNTARY, UH, DONATIONS TO HELP, TO HELP, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT, THAT NEED IT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH IDEA OF HOW MANY, UM, WATER UTILITY ACCOUNTS THAT WE HAVE? I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO, I MEAN, EVEN IF HALF OF 'EM PARTICIPATE AND THE AVERAGE IS 50 CENTS, I MEAN, THAT'S STILL, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT BE SIGNIFICANT GOING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM.
I MEAN, I, I SEE ALL POSITIVES HERE.
UH, I WISH, UH, ALSO CLAUDIA, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA WAS HERE 'CAUSE SHE REALLY ADVOCATED FOR THIS.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HER FEEDBACK, UH, ON A POSITIVE NOTE.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT, UH, BENEFIT.
UM, WE HAD CERTAIN, CERTAIN COMPANIES AND, UH, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE THESE FOR WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE VACATION OR SICK PAY.
UH, IF THEY WANNA ROLL OVER OR DONATE SOME OF THEIR SICK TIME TO AN EMPLOYEE POOL, YOU KNOW, IT BUILDS UP FOR THERE FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT NEED THAT EXTRA FAMILY, FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'M, I'M IN ALL SUPPORT OF THAT BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY GOES IN AND PAYS THEIR BILL, THEY SAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD AN EXTRA DOLLAR OR AN EXTRA 25 CENTS TO THIS BILL, UH, TO YOUR BILL TO GO INTO THIS FUND? UM, AND THEN IT ALSO CAN GO INTO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IT COULD GO TOWARDS SENIORS THAT ARE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THEIR WATER BILL OR WITH OTHER UTILITIES OF ANY VETERANS, ANYBODY WHO'S, UH, UH, DISABLED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT, IT CAN BASICALLY GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WAY WE'RE, WE'RE ALLOWING OUR RESIDENTS TO GIVE BACK IN A SENSE TO OTHER RESIDENTS IN THAT SENSE,
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IF THOSE PEOPLE ARE HAVING JUST TO NEED THAT EXTRA HELP.AND, AND, AND WE CAN USE OUR TECHNOLOGY, UH, FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, PUT IN OUR SHARE AS FAR AS CONTINUE THE PROGRAM, UH, BUT ALSO ASKING IF THERE'S ANY RESIDENTS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO ADD AN EXTRA DOLLAR TO THIS POT TO HELP THOSE, UH, THAT NEED IT FOR, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMERTIME AND SO FORTH.
THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IT'S A WAY FOR RESIDENTS OR OUR RESIDENTS HELPING EACH OTHER OR CITIZENS COMING TOGETHER.
AND WE COULD EVEN PROMOTE IT AS WELL WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.
AND WE DO, WE, YEAH, WE WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH ALLISON AND HER TEAM TO PROMOTE THIS.
WE COULD DO A VIDEO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SAYS, HEY, ON YOUR NEXT BILL IF YOU'D LIKE TO, COULD DONATE AN EXTRA 50 CENTS.
A DOLLAR IS GONNA GO INTO THIS IS THE NEW PROGRAM THAT WE'RE HAVING TO BE ABLE TO HELP RESIDENTS ON THAT END.
MAYBE GET SOME TESTIMONY ON IT TOO.
SO MY KIDS ARE HUGE DOMINO'S PIZZA FANS AND IT'S, WHEN I ORDER PIZZA, IT ALWAYS SAYS, DO YOU WANNA ROUND UP? AND SO I, I LOVE THE IDEA.
'CAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE JUST LIKE, YES OR NO OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CHOICE.
AND OFTENTIMES IF YOU'RE JUST ROUNDING UP, IT'S LESS THAN A DOLLAR.
SO THIS IS A GREAT WAY AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COW RESIDENTS, OUR UTILITY WATER USERS TO HELP EACH OTHER.
AND SO I AM ALL FOR, UM, DOING BOTH.
AND, UM, YEAH, I HOPE YOU GUYS, I DO YOU HAVE TO BRING SOMETHING BACK.
LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS IS GONNA GO, BUT I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDING THESE TWO ADDITIONAL WAYS TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR WATER UTILITY USERS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
HAS ANYBODY BEEN DENIED THAT'S APPLIED FOR THIS, FOR THE UTILITY? JUST CURIOUS.
YEAH, THERE HAS BEEN SOME DENIALS AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, SOME OF THEM HAD CLOSED ACCOUNTS AND SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A FEW REASONS FOR WHY THEY'VE BEEN, HAVE BEEN DENIED, BUT THE MAJORITY OF 'EM HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
[III.7) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on options for the transfer of the property located at 107 Veterans to VFW Post #12058.]
SEVEN, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOPEFULLY DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON OPTIONS FOR THE TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 0 7 VETERANS TO VFW POST NUMBER 12 0 5 8.WE HAVE ITEM PRESENTER, AMY ALCORN REED MAYOR.
UM, WHEN I HAD SPOKEN WITH THE VFW, THERE WAS STILL SOME QUESTION ON WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO SEEK THE ABILITY TO GET A WAIVER TO DO A 5 0 1 C3, AND THEY'RE STILL IN CONVENTIONS THROUGH JULY.
SO I WOULD MOVE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THAT TIME THAT THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT WHETHER THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THEM OR NOT.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GOZA AND A SECOND BY MYSELF.
UM, SO THEY'RE ASKING WHAT, I GUESS WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR IS THE ABILITY TO TABLE IT UNTIL THEY CAN DISCUSS THEIR 5 0 1 3 C SITUATION.
AND I WOULD FURTHER THAT BY ASKING, 'CAUSE WHEN I LOOKED IN THE BACKUP, I DIDN'T SEE THEIR FINANCIAL PLAN.
AND SO I WAS WONDERING LIKE, I, IS THIS A FULLY BAKED, I WANNA MAKE SURE WHENEVER WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS, WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, THIS WAS MOSTLY BROUGHT BACK FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE HAD THE LEGAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE 5 0 1 C3 ISSUES AND EVERYTHING IN THE BACK, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MERITS OF MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO WE THOUGHT MAYBE COUNSEL WOULD WANT TO GET A FEEL FOR IF THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD BEFORE VFW ACTUALLY WENT AND CREATED A 5 0 1 C3.
BUT IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO WAIT, I'M, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE MAKING THE DECISION BASED OFF OF JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION.
LIKE THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CREATE THE 5 0 1 3 C.
IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY WE CAN'T DO IT, THEN THAT LIMITS US TO LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE CAN'T, MAYBE WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD, OR AT LEAST NOT IN THAT CAPACITY.
UM, I ALSO WANNA SEE THEIR FINANCIAL PLANS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE, WE, WHEN WE VOTE THAT THEY HAVE A CLEAR PLAN AND THEN WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND WE, AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS PERHAPS IF WE GIVE THEM A LONGER TERM LEASE, MAYBE THAT WOULD SOLVE SOME OF THEIR PROBLEMS. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN EXPLORE WITH THE VFW.
UM, ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO HAVE THEIR FINANCIAL PLANS TO GIVE US THEIR LONG-TERM GOALS OF WHAT IT WAS ABOUT SO THAT WAY THE RESIDENTS KNOW IF, IF IT WAS TO MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT THEIR PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD BE AS WELL.
SO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TAPE AND THEN THE SECOND BY MYSELF.