[2) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback regarding a facility use agreement with the Kyle Area Senior Zone (KASZ) for the utilization of the building located at 1500 Dacy Lane. ]

DO YOU NEED ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ARE GOOD WITH THE DIRECTION. YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD THE DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING A FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH THE CAL AREA SENIOR ZONE. FOR THE UTILIZATION OF THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 1500 DACY LANE.

ITEM PRESENTER JESSE ELIZONDO. RIGHT. GOOD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IT IS MY PLEASURE TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL THIS FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH THE CAL AREA SENIOR ZONE, ALSO KNOWN AS CAS AT 1500 DACY LANE. AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ONCE WE FINISH ON ALL OF THIS AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.

BEFORE WE GO INTO IT, THOUGH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS AGREEMENT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS WITH CAS AND PARKS AND REC FOR OVER A YEAR.

IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY JUST RECENTLY WITH SOME LEADERSHIP CHANGES AND SOME MOVES WE'VE MADE, WE'VE REEXAMINED THE AGREEMENT ITSELF. NOT NECESSARILY A BAD AGREEMENT, BUT WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT FROM THE VIEW OF MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP WITH CASS, WE REALIZED THERE WAS PROBABLY A LOT OF MAYBE HEAVY HANDED THINGS IN THERE.

AND SO WE JUST, WE LOOKED AT IT MORE FROM A COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT. I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY ACCURATE AND FOUND IT TO COME TOGETHER QUITE QUICKLY AFTER THAT.

SO THIS AGREEMENT IS A TESTAMENT TO THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH IT.

SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE BACKGROUND VERY QUICKLY OF THE AGREEMENT, THE OVERVIEW SOME KEY HIGHLIGHTS AND BENEFITS AND THEN SOME NEXT STEPS. SO THE BACKGROUND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS IS 1500 AC LANE, OUR NEW SENIOR COMMUNITY CENTER THAT IS NEARING COMPLETION IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

I TOOK A TOUR, AS DID OUR CASS, AS HAS WILL, WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON IT QUITE A BIT JUST RECENTLY.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. IT'S MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN THE KRUG CENTER, WHERE THE WHERE THE SENIORS ARE CURRENTLY RESIDING.

IT'S VERY EXCITING WHEN YOU SEE IT, NOT JUST NOT JUST THE SPACE AND THE DIFFERENT ROOMS AND KIND OF THE GRANDIOSE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT ALSO THE KITCHEN AND THINKING OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT CAN BE UTILIZED ACROSS THE CITY.

THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT WITH CASA WAS IN APRIL 2007.

IT WAS WITH THE KRUG CENTER SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS UPDATING JUST WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS PARTNERSHIP AND ESTABLISH A PARTNERSHIP WITH CAS FOR THIS BUILDING, BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE REFERENCES KRUG THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE AGREEMENT.

IT DEFINES OPERATIONAL AND PROGRAMMATIC RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE IT COMPLETED BEFORE THE OPENING OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR CAS, BUT I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE MINUTE IT OPENS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE READY TO START PROGRAMING AND GET IN THERE. SO IT'S GREAT TO HAVE ALL OF THIS IN PLACE AND SOLIDIFIED AND APPROVED BEFORE THAT BUILDING OPENS.

SO IT IS A LONG AGREEMENT. AND RATHER THAN WALK THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT OF IT, I PICKED OUT THE MAIN HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND WHAT THEY ARE, AND I JUST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH IT. THEN, OF COURSE, WE'LL TAKE FEEDBACK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. IT IS A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT.

THIS ALLOWS FOR CONTINUED AND ENHANCED CITY PARTNERSHIP WITH CAS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

IT SUPPORTS SENIOR PROGRAMING AT THE NEW. AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS GREATLY ENHANCED FACILITY.

THIS IS NOT A NEW AGREEMENT AT THE CENTER. THIS IS A NEW BUILDING.

IT IS MUCH MORE SPACE. IT'S MUCH MORE ROOMS. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT CAS CAN, CAN UTILIZE THIS BUILDING AND ENHANCING YOUR PROGRAMING ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND IT CLEARLY DEFINES THE SHARED USE OF THE FACILITY BETWEEN CAS AND THE CITY.

I THINK THERE WAS SOME DEFINITION OF IT WITH THE CREW BUILDING, BUT THERE WERE MANY CONFLICTS, I WOULD SAY, BASED ON THAT AGREEMENT. AND THIS CLEARLY DEFINES EVERYTHING IN THIS AGREEMENT.

FROM AN OPERATIONS STANDPOINT, THE CITY MAINTAINS THE BUILDING AS WE SHOULD AS A CITY FACILITY.

WE SHOULD MAINTAIN IT. AND THE CITY OVERSEES SCHEDULING AND FACILITY OPERATIONS.

SO THE OPERATIONS IN THE FACILITY, ANY ANYTHING TWEAKS OR OR HANGING ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT IN THE BUILDING, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE ON THE CITY'S FACILITY SIDE.

ONE, WE WOULDN'T WANT THE SENIORS TO HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT STUFF THEMSELVES.

NOT JUST THEY SHOULDN'T BECAUSE IT'S THE CITY'S FACILITY, BUT IT COULD BE DANGEROUS. BUT ALSO OUR FACILITY AND STAFF HAS THE EXPERTISE TO GO IN THERE AND DO THAT. SO OF COURSE, WE WOULD BE DOING THAT FROM AN OPERATION STANDPOINT. CAS HAS PRIORITY SCHEDULING AND MANAGES ITS OWN MANAGES ITS OWN PROGRAMING, AS IT SHOULD. AND THEN FROM AN ACCOUNTABILITY STANDPOINT, THIS BETTER DEFINES RESPONSIBILITIES.

WE'VE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS I THINK, FROM THE FIRST AGREEMENT.

MANY LESSONS. AND WE HAVE FIXED THOSE IN THIS AGREEMENT.

IT CLEARLY ESTABLISHES INSURANCE AND LIABILITY PROVISIONS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT AND AND INCLUDES ANNUAL REVIEWS AND RENEWAL PROVISIONS IN IT AS WELL. SOME KEY HIGHLIGHTS AND BENEFITS. CAS CLEARLY DEFINES PRIORITIES, HAS CLEARLY DEFINED THEIR PRIORITY SCHEDULING FOR SENIOR PROGRAMING.

SO CAS HAS PRIORITY SCHEDULING IN THE BUILDING FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ROOMS. THE TIMES ARE SCHEDULED OUT, THE DAYS ARE SCHEDULED OUT. IT'S VERY CLEAR. AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THOSE TIMES, THE CITY IS ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE OR I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO ABLE TO BE RENTED AS WELL.

SO THE CITY WILL BENEFIT FROM THE FACILITY AND ALL OF THAT PROGRAMING THAT CASS WILL BE UTILIZING.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ITS OWN SENIOR PROGRAMING OR SENIOR CENTER, AND SO WE GET A GREAT BENEFIT FROM HAVING THEM OPERATE THAT FOR OUR SENIORS IN THE CITY OF

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THE CITY RETAINS OWNERSHIP AND OPERATIONAL OVERSIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT MAINTAINS THE BUILDING UTILITIES AND CUSTODIAL SERVICES AND OPERATIONS.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH IN THE LAST AGREEMENT. IT'S VERY CLEAR IT'S A CITY FACILITY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUILDING, THE UTILITIES, THE CUSTODIAL, ALL OF THAT STUFF. CONTINUES MANAGING ITS OWN PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES IN THIS ENHANCED SPACE, AS THEY SHOULD. AND THE SHARED SCHEDULING PROVIDES MORE OPPORTUNITIES NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SENIOR PROGRAMING, BUT ALSO ON THOSE IN THOSE OFF TIMES FOR THE CITY TO USE IT FOR PROGRAMING.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE WILL CONTINUE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH CASS, TO HAVE MONTHLY COORDINATION MEETINGS THAT WILL SUPPORT ONGOING COMMUNICATION AND OPERATIONS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THIS AGREEMENT IS THE BE ALL, END ALL AND WALK AWAY.

OF COURSE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH CAS AND WORK THROUGH ANY ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UP, BECAUSE CERTAINLY THINGS WILL THAT AREN'T ALL ADDRESSED IN THIS AGREEMENT. THESE BENEFITS I THINK WE'VE TOUCHED ON, BUT ONGOING PARTNERSHIP WILL ENHANCE THE CITY'S PROGRAMING AND ACTIVITIES ACROSS KYLE, NOT JUST SENIOR PROGRAMING, BUT OTHER PROGRAMS FOR PARKS AND REC AS WELL.

AGREEMENT PROVIDES CLEAR DIRECTION FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE FACILITY.

SO IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING THE MINUTE WE OPEN IT. AND IT SUPPORTS EXPANDED SENIOR PROGRAMING BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A SUCH A MORE ENHANCED FACILITY THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.

AND IT MAXIMIZES THE PUBLIC USE OF THIS SENIOR COMMUNITY CENTER THROUGH COORDINATED SCHEDULING.

SO WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS. I BELIEVE YOU HEARD FROM BETTY AND CAS.

THEY'RE EXCITED THAT WE'VE COME TOGETHER ON THIS PARTNERSHIP AND THAT WE'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND THAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL ON ANY FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SO WE CAN TWEAK IT. WE'RE GETTING THAT FEEDBACK FOR THIS AGREEMENT TONIGHT, AND THEN WE WILL BRING BACK, MOST LIKELY IN AUGUST. BECAUSE WE DON'T EXPECT TOO MUCH, TOO MANY CHANGES FORMAL APPROVAL FOR THIS AT A, AT A FORMAL COUNCIL MEETING TO GET FULLY APPROVED AND PROBABLY A LARGE CHEER FROM OUR CAS GROUP THAT COMES TO THE MEETING.

SO WE'LL TAKE FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS. NOW. ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER, I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REFINING THIS.

I SAT IN ON ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS. AND IT WAS PAINFUL, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE PUT INTO THERE AND NOT THE MEETINGS I WAS IN.

I KNOW YOU WERE NOT THERE. THIS WAS OTHER EMPLOYEES.

BUT SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD AGREEMENT. I DID WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CAS TO HAVE AN OUTLINE AGREEMENT WITH ANY OTHER 501 C THREES OR OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE OPERATING WITHIN THAT BUILDING UNDER THE UMBRELLA JUST FOR LIKE WHAT TYPE OF STORAGE THEY HAVE, JUST SO REALLY EVERYTHING IS DELINEATED. AND THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT I KIND OF WANTED IN THERE THAT I DIDN'T SEE.

I THINK OTHERWISE IT'S A REALLY SOLID AGREEMENT AND I'M SUPER EXCITED TO HAVE THEM IN THERE.

AND I ALSO WANT TO COMMENT JUST ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT CASS DOES FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IS NOT JUST FOR THE SENIORS. THEY WORK WITH A LOT OF THE NONPROFITS TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO A LARGE SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND IT IS ACTUALLY A POINT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT IF THERE WAS ANY ONE WORKING WITH CASS IN THE BUILDING, THAT CASS HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM. I BELIEVE IT'S IN THERE, BUT WE STAFF WILL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK BECAUSE THAT IS A POINT THAT WE AGREED ON THAT WE DID WANT IN THE AGREEMENT. SO OKAY, I MAY HAVE JUST MISSED IT.

SO OKAY, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE MISSED IT.

SO THAT IS AN AGREED UPON POINT THAT WE WANT IT IN THERE AS WELL.

AWESOME. THANK YOU. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MISS CONLEY, DO YOU MIND COMING UP HERE AND COMING TO THE PODIUM AND MAYBE WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE WHOLE PROCESS TO HEAR FROM YOU BECAUSE LIKE, IT'S BEEN A LONG GOING ISSUE WITH AGREEMENTS.

HOW COMFORTABLE DO YOU FEEL WITH THE MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN OUTLINED? AND I BELIEVE ALSO WORKING WITH OTHER NONPROFITS, LET'S SAY WITH MISS BENTLEY'S GROUP, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE HOW COMFORTABLE YOU FEEL WITH THIS CONTRACT.

THE LAST YEAR WORKING WITH THIS CONTRACT, IT WAS VERY PAINFUL.

WE ASKED FOR EXTRA HELP BECAUSE OF THE DEMANDS THAT SEEM TO BE UNFAIR ON OUR SIDE.

WE WERE WE WERE BEING TREATED LESS THAN TENANTS THAT YOU LEASE TO.

SO WE HAD A PROBLEM THERE. WE GOT AHOLD OF JESSE BOOM.

WE HAD IT DONE IN ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF GOING THROUGH.

WHY IS THIS IN HERE? WHY DOES IT SAY YOU CAN'T PUT A PIANO HERE.

WHY IS IT JUST LITTLE STUFF THAT PUT A LOT OF STRESS ON US AT TIMES, BUT WE'RE REALLY HAPPY THE WAY IT IS GOING.

OUR INTENTION WITH HAVING THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE DAYS AND THE TIMES CAME UP WITH PARKS AND RECS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TWO NIGHT TIMES AND THEY, YOU KNOW, FOR WEEKENDS, BUT WE HAVE TO DO PROGRAM NOW.

WE HAVE ROOM. WE HAD 22 OTHER PROGRAMS WE COULD DO AND COULD NOT FIT INTO THE BUILDING.

AND THOSE PROGRAMS ALSO INCLUDED CAREGIVING CLASSES FOR FAMILIES THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF MOM AND DAD,

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SO THEY COULD GET RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP MOM AND DAD IN THEIR HOME.

AND THEY CAN'T COME TO THOSE BECAUSE THEY WORK.

SO NOW THAT WE CAN HAVE NIGHTTIME HOURS, WE CAN HAVE NIGHTTIME CLASSES.

WE'RE ALSO BRIDGING GENERATION TO GENERATION.

WE'LL BE DOING GRANDPARENT AND GRANDCHILD PRE BOOK DAY, READING TIME, COOKING TIME, COOKING CLASSES, STUFF LIKE THAT TO GET THE WHOLE FROM THE, THE YOUNG TO THE OLD TOGETHER IN THIS PROGRAMING.

GREAT. AND I KNOW YOU'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT YOUR COMMERCIAL KITCHEN.

OH, YES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING I CATERED FOR YEARS.

MY MOTHER AND MY FAMILY DID WEDDINGS AND STUFF.

SO I'M JUST HAPPY IN THE KITCHEN. BUT TO WHAT TOUCHES MY HEART IS TO BE ABLE TO FEED THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT A MEAL.

AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE ARE SEVERAL. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME AND GET A LUNCH, AND THAT'S THE ONLY MEAL THAT THEY GET. AND I KNOW EXACTLY.

THEY GO MONDAY, HERE THEY COME TUESDAY, YOU KNOW, TO ONE PLACE.

THEY GO WEDNESDAY TO THE METHODIST CHURCH. THEY GO THURSDAY TO IRON CREEK.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY GO TO GET THEIR MEALS.

SO TO TURN ANYONE AWAY, I JUST WORRY ABOUT WHEN THEIR NEXT MEAL IS GOING TO BE.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO TURN THEM AWAY. AND WE'RE GOING FROM, WHAT, 2000FT² TO 7500FT²? THERE YOU GO. THAT'S A I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARTY.

THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARTY. I'M LOOKING AT THE WHOLE CITY IS INVITED.

I'M ALSO LOST LOOKING AT IT FROM A BIGGER COMMUNITY PICTURE ON THIS END TO WHERE, LET'S SAY ONE DAY THE CITY WANTS TO RECOGNIZE THEIR EMPLOYEES, AND YOU'VE GOT THE PUBLIC WORKS GUYS THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING OR MOWING GRASS OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND IT'S AN APPRECIATION DAY TO WHERE THEY COULD PROBABLY JUST STOP BY THE BUILDING AND PICK UP A MEAL OR SIT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE OFFER THE MEALS WHEN THEY'RE CUTTING THE GRASS AND IT'S ON TUESDAY AND THEY COME IN TO USE, HEY, DO YOU WANT A MEAL? WE PUT DOWN A FREE MEAL FOR THEM.

WE KNOW HOW HARD THEY'RE WORKING. WE ALSO ALWAYS SHARED THE BUILDING WHEN WE COULD, BUT IT WAS NEVER RECIPROCATED BACK.

THEY WOULD TAKE THE DAYS AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS DAY, CAN WE HAVE THIS DAY? IT WAS ALWAYS NO. BUT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE BOUNDARY LINES, WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT, LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO HAVE A LUNCHEON AND SOMETHING AND IT HAPPENS TO BE ON A DAY THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR OUR DAY.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM AND SAID, OH, WE'LL SKIP AND DO THIS AND YOU CAN HAVE THAT DAY.

SO WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR YOU TO HAVE YOUR LUNCHEON FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES.

WE'LL WORK THAT ALL OUT AND SHARE THE BUILDING THAT WAY.

WELL, GOOD. WELL, I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT WORKED OUT FOR Y'ALL, BUT THEY HAVE TO STAY OUT OF MY KITCHEN.

THERE YOU GO. ONE COOK IN THE KITCHEN. YEAH, YEAH.

AND MATTHEW'S GOING TO ENJOY VOLUNTEERING STILL THERE.

SO. OH, YEAH. WE LOVE HIM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY.

NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS PARTNERSHIP COME TOGETHER. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MANY EVENTS AT THIS NEW FACILITY.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD.

I REMEMBER TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE CONTRACT EARLY ON GOING, NO, THEY CAN'T MAKE YOU DO THAT. DON'T DO THAT. DON'T SAY YES.

YES. AND AND AND THEN SIT DOWN WITH YOU ON A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR THAT CONTRACT.

I'M DELIGHTED THAT WE GOT THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN.

THAT WAS A BIG EMPHASIS FOR ME BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MEALS, MAYBE NOT JUST ON TUESDAY, MAYBE MORE THAN THAT. AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT PLANS FOR PROFESSIONAL CHEF.

WE HAVE PLANS ALSO TO DO BREAKFAST AND BREAKFAST AND OPEN UP TWO MEALS.

YEAH, IT'S GOING TO GET THERE. YEAH. AND I JUST I'VE BEEN DELIGHTED TO SEE THE PARTICIPATION.

THIS BUILDING OR THE CREEK CENTER FILLS UP ALMOST EVERY TUESDAY.

IT'S VERY RARE TO HAVE EMPTY SEATS. PEOPLE COME EARLY FOR GAMES, STAY LATE FOR GAMES.

I DO CITY TALK OCCASIONALLY WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST COME TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CITY OR ASK QUESTIONS.

AND IT'S JUST A MARVELOUS I'M A MEMBER OF OF CAS ON AND COME REGULARLY ON TUESDAY.

SO I REALLY ENJOY IT AS A SENIOR. I LOVE THE PEOPLE THERE AND YOU GUYS HAVE JUST DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB IN GROWING THE PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE 25 TO 30 NEW MEMBERS A MONTH, A MONTH? YEAH. WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? WELL, THEY HEAR WORD OF MOUTH HOW GREAT IT IS.

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO SAY THIS HAS BEEN MORE THAN A LONG TIME COMING.

THE BUILDING WAS DEDICATED TO THE SENIORS IN 2012.

IN 2022, I THINK IT WAS WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SENIORS TO HELP PLAN.

I MEAN, IT'S SO HARD TO SAY WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE EVERYBODY JUST ASSUMED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD THE BUILDING. SO AND THAT DIDN'T COME TO FRUITION EITHER.

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I WILL GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

WE WILL HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM REGARDING THE BUILDING.

AND SO I WAS WRITING IT UP AND JUST RELIVING THE HISTORY AND IT'S BEEN TOUGH.

IT'S BEEN REALLY TOUGH FOR THE SENIORS AND IT'S BEEN TOUGH FOR THE COUNCIL TO, TO END UP WHERE WE'RE AT.

BUT I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET YOU HERE.

I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT JESSE WAS ABLE TO SMOOTH OUT THE END PART.

YOU KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT STAFF AND OUR NONPROFITS HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

AND SO I WANT TO THANK ALL OF STAFF FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB.

I AM READY TO GET THIS GOING. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS.

THIS IS GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA. IS THAT CORRECT? THE NEXT ONE WE CAN GET IT ON.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB. AND, AND WE I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL IT ALL IS SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

I WILL I WILL BE A TESTAMENT THAT CASS DOES NOT FORGET THE HISTORY.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW THE WHOLE HISTORY, THEY'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT.

THEY WILL. NEWSPAPERS AND ALL THEY WILL. WE'RE EXCITED.

YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

UP NEXT, AGENDA ITEM THREE. RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING UPDATES ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY

[3) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback regarding updates on the Kyle Housing Authority and the Authority's transition plan.]

AND THE AUTHORITY'S TRANSITION PLAN. ITEM PRESENTER AMBER SCHMITZ A HARD ONE TO FOLLOW.

YOU GOT THIS. GOOD NEWS. YEAH. MY NAME IS AMBER SCHMITZ.

I'M THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS BEEN THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF TRANSITION OVER THE PAST YEAR, SO I'M HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH, WHERE WE'RE AT AND A PLAN GOING FORWARD.

PAST DECISIONS LAST YEAR LED TO THE CITY SOMEHOW BEING MORE INVOLVED IN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAN WE EVER HAVE BEEN OR EVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN. AND SO WE'RE WORKING TO UNWIND THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH.

SO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, IT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY.

IT'S CREATED UNDER CHAPTER 392 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

THEY ARE CREATED TO ASSIST WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY.

AYE OWNS AND OPERATES PETE DRESSEN, CHARLES YOUNG PUBLIC HOUSING WITH A TOTAL OF 51 UNITS.

AND THERE'S A PICTURE OF CHARLES YOUNG. CK HAS AN AGREEMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT OPAL POINT, WITH 338 TOTAL UNITS IN THAT FACILITY, 68 OF WHICH ARE AT 60% AMI AND 102 ARE AT 80% AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME. THE CITY HAS LIMITED OVERSIGHT, BUT THE BOARD IS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, SO THE CITY INTERVENES.

IN MARCH 2025, THE CITY LEARNED THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAD ENTERED INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH ENTITIES THAT WOULD REMOVE APPROXIMATELY $169 MILLION FROM THE PROPERTY TAX ROLLS. 60 MILLION OF THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN REMOVED.

AT OPAL POINT, CITY LEADERSHIP REPEATEDLY REQUESTED A BOARD MEETING TO DISCUSS THE PENDING CLOSINGS.

THOSE WERE REFUSED. FOLLOWING BOARD TURNOVER, THREE NEW COMMISSIONERS WERE APPOINTED AND A MEETING WAS CALLED FOR JULY 17TH, 2025. THREE DAYS LATER, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THE MANAGEMENT AGENT SUBMITTED A 60 DAY TERMINATION NOTICE.

SO AT THAT JULY MEETING, THE NEW COMMISSIONERS TOOK ACTION TO CHANGE THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, WHICH NOW RELIES HEAVILY ON THE CITY OF KYLE FOR SUPPORT AND RESOURCES.

THE BOARD VOTED TO SUSPEND THE EXISTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ARRANGEMENT WITH MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, APPOINT THE CITY EMPLOYEE AS AN INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND BOARD SECRETARY.

CONTRACT WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN OR HAKA FOR TEMPORARY MANAGEMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AND AN ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENT THROUGH MAY 31ST OF 2026.

AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH HAKA AND THEN TERMINATE PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED AGREEMENTS INVOLVING SEVERAL PROPOSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING THE STRAND, ARDEN AT KOHLERS CROSSING AND WINDY HILL.

SO RECENTLY, IN MAY OF 2026, THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION WAS ELIMINATED DUE TO OUR OUR CITY'S FINANCIAL SHORTFALL.

AYE APPOINTS A CITY EMPLOYEE REPLACEMENT. THEN, IN JUNE OF 2026, HAKHA NOTIFIES THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT IT'S GOING TO TERMINATE SERVICES IN 30 DAYS. THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHICH WAS ME AT THE TIME, EXECUTES THE CONTRACT FOR THE NEW PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PARTNER AFTER AN EXTENDED RFP PROCESS. AND THEN THEY ALSO WERE ABLE TO APPROVE THEIR 2627 ANNUAL BUDGET AT THAT MEETING.

AND THEN IN JULY, THIS LAST MEETING ON THE 22ND, THEY APPROVED THE POSITION DESCRIPTION AND RECRUITMENT FOR A PERMANENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHICH WE ADVISE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT. THAT WAY, THEY CAN KEEP THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE THAT THEY NEED

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TO CONTINUE ON AND APPROVE THE CORRELATING AMENDMENT TO THE ANNUAL BUDGET.

THREE NEW BOARD MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED AND NEW OFFICERS ARE ELECTED.

SO WHAT'S THIS ALL MEAN AGAIN? THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY EXPANDED BEYOND ITS INTENDED ROLE, CREATING AN UNSUSTAINABLE DEPENDANCE ON CITY STAFF AND PERPETUATING EMERGENCY STYLE GOVERNANCE.

THIS ARRANGEMENT HAS BLURRED ACCOUNTABILITY AND DIVERTED RESOURCES FROM CORE CITY RESPONSIBILITIES.

THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO CONTINUE TO ASSIST THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN ITS CURRENT CAPACITY ON A LONG TERM BASIS, AND THE AYE MUST TRANSITION TO INDEPENDENT GOVERNANCE AND OPERATIONS UNDER ITS BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND MANAGEMENT TEAM, AS INTENDED UNDER STATE LAW.

SO THE TRANSITION PLAN. WE'VE COMPLETED THE FOLLOWING STEPS TO ENSURE A SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION.

WE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATE CONCERNS IN SECURING THE AGREEMENT WITH THE NEW PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, DEVELOPED AND ADOPTED THEIR ANNUAL BUDGET, IDENTIFIED AVAILABLE FUNDING.

THEY HAVE TO HIRE A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND PREPARED AN APPROPRIATE AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET AND DEVELOPED A POSITION DESCRIPTION AND ADVERTISED FOR A PERMANENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO WILL REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE KHA BOARD.

GOING FORWARD, CITY STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT KHA IN THE FOLLOWING WAYS UNTIL THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS HIRED.

WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE RECRUITMENT AND TRANSITION PROCESS, ASSIST WITH SELECTING NEW LEGAL COUNSEL.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY'S ATTORNEY SERVES AS THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL.

WE WANT TO HELP THEM FIND AN APPROPRIATE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THEM AS WELL, AND COORDINATE THE SELECTION OF APPROPRIATE PROPERTY INSURANCE COVERAGE.

THEY WERE ALSO NOTIFIED THAT PML RISK POOLS IS NOT GOING TO COVER THEM ANY LONGER, AND THEN DEVELOP AGENDAS AND ATTEND THE BOARD MEETINGS DURING THE TRANSITION TO HELP THEM AND MAKE SURE THIS IS A SMOOTH PROCESS. SO NOW I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS. I GET A TON. OKAY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE AND I SAW A BOARD MEMBER AND THE VICE CHAIR, AND SHE WAS HERE. AND I KNOW SHE SUPPORTS IT, BUT I'M THINKING THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR CITY STAFF.

LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS IN 2025. WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CITY GOT ACTIVELY INVOLVED? YES, YES, YES, THEY HAD HAD THE BOARD HAD OVER, THEY HAD THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENT THAT THEY JUST WORK WITH A BOARD. AND IT WAS THE MAYOR'S ALWAYS APPOINTED THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT WE'VE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE FOUND OURSELVES. BECAUSE OF ALL OF THOSE ACTIONS TAKEN LAST YEAR.

SO OKAY, SO I DO WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS. IN MY PREVIOUS TERM, I MET THE BOARD, I MET THE, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, WE HAD RELATIONSHIPS.

I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, WE, WE HAD GOOD COMMUNICATION.

AND, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS A CONCERN TO TAKE THESE PROPERTIES OFF THE PAYROLLS.

BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN GETTING OUR HANDS INVOLVED AND USING OUR STAFF, ATTORNEY AND OUR STAFF IN GENERAL TO DO THESE JOBS FOR AN ENTITY THAT'S REALLY NOT OF THE CITY. THAT'S RIGHT.

LIKE IT STOPS AT THE MAYOR, APPOINTS THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND THAT IS IT.

SO I'M JUST REALLY CONFUSED HOW WE GOT THIS FAR, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE ASSISTING THEM, WHICH IS TAKING TIME AWAY FROM OUR DUTIES TO THE RESIDENTS, OVERWHELMING STAFF WITH EXTRA WORK.

YES. AND IT'S AN INCREDIBLE RESPONSIBILITY. THERE'S SO MUCH COMPLIANCE REPORTING AND AND INCOME VERIFICATION THINGS TO DO.

ACCORDING TO HUD GUIDELINES. AND IT'S A SKILLED DISCIPLINE IT TAKES TO PERFORM THAT SERVICE FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE INTERNALLY.

WE, WE WEREN'T SET UP TO. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT ENTITY OF THE CITY OF KYLE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO MOVE TO BY HIRING GET GETTING THEM THEIR OWN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

BUT YES, YOU'RE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, MAYOR.

IT'S IT'S TOO MUCH FOR THE CITY. AND QUITE, QUITE FRANKLY, JUST PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATE.

REALLY, WE SHOULDN'T BE SERVING AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE OF WHEN WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF LET THEM GO ON THEIR OWN? WELL, WE HAVE WE ADVERTISED FOR THE PERMANENT POSITION THIS WEEK AND WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT, LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THREE WEEKS. SO KIND OF A TIGHT, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE CAN HIRE SOMEONE AS FAST AS WE CAN GET THEM ONBOARDED AS THAT WILL BE. WELL, OF COURSE, WE'LL BE THERE TO HELP SUPPORT IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT WE'RE HOPING WE GET A QUALIFIED INDIVIDUAL IN THERE THAT CAN JUST HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. OKAY, SO 60, 60 DAYS. OKAY. AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION I HAD

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REGARDING A VOTE THAT WE TOOK PREVIOUSLY WHERE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO.

THE CITY WAS GOING TO PAY OFF ONE OF THE THE LOANS.

AND WHEN I WAS READING THIS EMAIL ABOUT WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR SOMETHING, I WAS LIKE, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. I THOUGHT WE TOOK A VOTE TO PAY FOR THIS 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO.

COULD YOU JUST GIVE US A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED ALONG THAT? SURE. SO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED THE STAFF TO PROVIDE MONEY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTIES.

THEY HAD FALLEN IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR. AND SO WE DID THAT.

THEY MADE THE IMPROVEMENTS. BUT THE, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAD SOME TROUBLE IN GETTING DETAILS ABOUT PAYING OFF THE LOAN.

AND SO EVENTUALLY THE BUDGET YEAR PASSED AND THEN IT WAS NOT PUT BACK IN THE BUDGET.

THAT MONEY WAS NOT PUT BACK IN THERE. SO THEY STILL DO HAVE THE LOAN WITH THE USDA.

SO AT ANY POINT DO WE KNOW IF THE CITY. SINCE WE HAD AN.

DID WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO PAY THAT OFF? LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? NO AGREEMENT, BUT IT WAS JUST IN PUT INTO THE BUDGET.

OKAY. SO IT WAS I'M ASSUMING THERE WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE YEAH, WE COULD PUT THE MONEY BACK IN, BUT IF THERE'S LIKE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE PAID AND THEN IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, DO WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIX THAT VIA RESOLUTION? IF I CAN KIND OF REMEMBER, BECAUSE YOU AND I, YOU, JERRY AND MYSELF, WE WENT TO GO LOOK AT THOSE PROPERTIES, REMEMBER HOW IT WAS FALLING APART? AND WE WENT AND SAID, WE GOT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST KIND OF ON THAT END. AND WE DID VOTE TO SPEND, I THINK IT WAS LIKE $50,000 TO GET SOME OF THOSE REPAIRS DONE.

BUT WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM PAY THIS LOAN OFF.

SO THAT WAY IT COULD, BECAUSE THEY REMEMBER HE WAS THE GENTLEMAN AT THE TIME WAS SAYING IT'S LIKE ALMOST 15, TEN YEARS BEHIND. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET CAUGHT UP.

AND I THINK WE WERE JUST LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN COME BACK AND HELP PAY OFF THIS LOAN FOR Y'ALL.

BUT I THINK YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT SIDETRACKED WITH THE REST OF COUNCIL SAYING, WAIT, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? AND WE'RE JUST LIKE, WELL, LET'S JUST TRY TO HELP THEM OUT.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT CAME BACK TO WHERE WE MAY HAVE MADE A VOTE TO HELP PAY OFF SOME OF THE LOAN, BUT THEN AGAIN, IT MAY NOT HAVE WENT THROUGH AND THEN WE JUST STOPPED HELPING THEM FROM THEN ON.

WELL, IT WAS IT WAS PUT INTO ONE AND 22, 20, 22, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

YES, YES IT WAS. AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE PROPERTIES HAD FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR.

AND SO THEY WERE UNABLE TO RAISE THEY WERE UNABLE TO PASS THEIR INSPECTIONS SO THEY COULD RAISE THE RENT SO THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET MORE SUBSIDY FROM HUD AND THEY JUST KEPT THEY KEPT FALLING BEHIND AND FURTHER BEHIND THAT LOAN.

THE USDA IS QUITE OLD AND IT HAD A REALLY HIGH PERCENTAGE RATE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS NINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND AGAIN, THEY WERE STRUGGLING TO PAY THAT OFF.

IT WAS LIKE AROUND 100 TO 200,000 WAS THE LOAN.

I MEAN, IT WASN'T TOO CRAZY. BUT STILL, I THINK WE WERE KIND OF MAYBE HOLDING OFF ON THAT.

I THINK TRAVIS WAS KIND OF HESITANT ON THAT. IF I CAN REMEMBER OR BUT WHO KNOWS? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN SO LONG. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

IT HAS BEEN. AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IT'S GOING BACK AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GONE ON OVER THAT TIME.

I DO REMEMBER TAKING THAT VOTE. AND SO JUST MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS PROBABLY THE REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T GET TOO INVOLVED IS BECAUSE EITHER THINGS DON'T HAPPEN OR IT DIDN'T GET PAID. AND THIS IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE NOW HIRING AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND WE'RE PAYING.

WE'RE GETTING THEIR LEGAL BILLS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST A LOT.

AND SO I HOPE MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO PROTECT THINGS LIKE THAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE TAKING THE APARTMENTS OFF THE PAYROLLS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO SO MAYOR I'VE PROPOSED THAT WE BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT IN THE FUTURE WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF KYLE AND THAT ISSUE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON AS WELL. THIS WAS KIND OF MORE OF A PRIORITY TO US TO GET US OUT, AND ALSO TO GET NEW LEGAL COUNSEL IN THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY CAN USE TO HELP NEGOTIATE THAT SORT OF SITUATION.

BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT, WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM FOUR.

[4) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff direction on a comprehensive history and overview of Kyle Vista Park as well as future options for the Kyle Animal Shelter.]

RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON A COMPREHENSIVE HISTORY AND OVERVIEW OF CAL VISTA PARK, AS WELL AS FUTURE OPTIONS FOR THE KYLE ANIMAL SHELTER ITEM PRESENTER JESSE ELIZONDO.

OKAY BEFORE WE DO THAT, I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FORM TO SPEAK.

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CAN WE GET THE THREE MINUTES UP? I HAVE SHERRY BOYETT.

AND SHE IS GOING TO SPEAK REGARDING AGENDA ITEM FOUR.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND EVERYONE PRESENT. I HOPE THAT EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THAT I LOVE DOGS AND CATS BY NOW.

BUT I'M ALSO A BUSINESS PERSON. AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT AFTER DOING THE ADVOCACY AND WORKING WITH THE RESCUE GROUPS AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES TO WHAT ANIMAL SHELTERING IS. AND SO I'M KIND OF BRINGING THIS TOPIC UP AT THE LAST MINUTE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE TOPIC NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.

WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE LOCATION OF WHERE A HOPEFUL ANIMAL SHELTER WILL BE IN KYLE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT GO INTO IT? JUDGE SUMTER MENTIONED THAT WE NEED AN INTERIM PLAN.

LAUREN FOY MENTIONED WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.

ALWAYS SPAY NEUTER, ALWAYS GET THOSE ANIMALS STERILIZED NOW.

BUT THE THING IS, WE WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM COSTS.

WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO NOW. AND WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO DO.

AND YES, IT WAS TERMINATED. I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE.

I POURED YEARS INTO IT. AND SO I REALLY FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO READ WHAT THE MISSION IS, BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE OVERLAP BETWEEN HUMAN SERVICES.

AND THE VISION WAS THAT THE THAT THE EVENTUAL CENTER WAS GOING TO BE CO-LOCATED WITH SENIOR SERVICES, WITH VETERANS, WITH UNHOUSED PEOPLE, SO THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PETS, THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD THEM OR WHO JUST MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF ASSISTANCE TO RETAIN THEM. WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS DIVERT PETS, NOT HOUSE THEM FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.

AND JESSE WILL TELL YOU THAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY KYLE HAS DONE IS A 14 DAY LENGTH OF STAY.

NONE OF US WANT A WAREHOUSE ANIMALS. WE WANT THEM RETURNED TO THEIR OWNERS.

WE WANT THEM TO GO THROUGH A SYSTEM OF MEDICAL CARE WHERE THEY'RE STERILIZED.

WE WANT PUBLIC SAFETY. WE WANT THEM OFF THE STREET.

WE WANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE COMMUNITY, AS IT EXPANDS AND GROWS, HAS VALUES, AND THAT INCOMING BUSINESSES DON'T WANT TO SEE KYLE AS A CAPITAL OF PET EUTHANASIA, WHICH IF YOU DON'T BUILD THE RIGHT SIZE AND YOU DON'T FUND THE PROGRAMS, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE HAVE TO HAVE IT RIGHT SIZE. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SUPPORTING PROGRAMS THAT INCLUDE SPAY NEUTER, MICROCHIPPING, VACCINATIONS, PET FOOD PANTRY.

GIVE LAUREN A BIG OLD BUS TO DRIVE AROUND THE ANIMALS BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE COUNTY, UNTIL THE COUNTY HAS A VETERINARY CLINIC THAT CAN WORK WITH THOSE NONPROFITS.

I'M GOING TO READ THIS MISSION STATEMENT BEFORE MY TIME IS UP.

THE HAYS COUNTY PET RESOURCE AND EDUCATION CENTER WILL PROVIDE A TEMPORARY SAFE HAVEN FOR PETS IN NEED.

KEEP PETS AND FAMILIES TOGETHER, PROTECT ANIMALS IN HAYS COUNTY, AND WORK COLLECTIVELY COLLABORATIVELY WITH PET OWNERS, THE PUBLIC, ANIMAL RESCUE AND WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS, HUMAN SERVICES, EXCUSE ME, HUMAN SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES AND OTHERS WITH A SHARED VISION TO BENEFIT PETS AND PEOPLE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. NOW, NOW, I THINK YOU'RE SAFE TO GO.

SO. OKAY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL TONIGHT. NO DISRESPECT WHATSOEVER.

I THINK BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS ITEM, THE FACT THAT I'M PRESENTING AND WILL BE SHARING PRESENTATION WITH AMY, OUR ATTORNEY, AND THEN I EXPECT QUITE A BIT OF BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION.

I HOPE HOPEFULLY IT'S OKAY IF WE PRESENT FROM THE FROM HERE JUST BECAUSE WE'LL BE GOING BACK AND FORTH.

I WILL BE PRESENTING THE CAL CALL THIS A PROPERTY FULL.

HISTORY AND OVERVIEW AND ANIMAL CARE'S FUTURE ANIMAL CARE CENTER OPTIONS.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN OLDER PRESENTATION BECAUSE FUTURE WAS IN THE NAME OF THE FIRST ONE, BUT WE'LL MAKE DO. I WANTED TO SAY BEFORE WE GET STARTED, THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE FULL HISTORY OF THIS ONE TO GET IT ON THE RECORD, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT. BUT TWO, FOR ANYONE THAT'S THAT'S JUST GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS, MAYBE WATCHING FOR THE FIRST TIME. THIS IS A MULTI YEAR.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT FOR OVER TWO YEARS.

I KNOW BEFORE I GOT HERE, THERE WERE YEARS BEFORE THAT THAT THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS.

SO WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN SPECIFICALLY WORKING ON THIS, THE FULL HISTORY OF THIS FOR THE COUNCIL AND FOR ANYONE WATCHING AND TAKE ALL THE QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON THE HISTORY, AND THEN LOOK AFTER THAT, LOOK AT FUTURE OPTIONS AND GET A VOTE FROM COUNCIL ON THE DIRECTION OF WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION. I LOVE SEEING ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT COME UP AND HAVE SUCH A, YOU CAN SEE SUCH A CARE FOR THE ANIMALS AND THE ANIMALS IN THIS AREA FROM THE COMMUNITY HERE.

BUT WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH CAL VISTA, WITH THE PROPERTY, WITH THE ANIMAL CARE CENTER, WE WANTED TO GIVE A FULL HISTORY AND THEN GET FEEDBACK FROM AND THEN GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

SO WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TODAY, MYSELF AND AMY ALCORN WILL BE WALKING THROUGH THE HISTORY OF CAL VISTA PROPERTY ITSELF BY PARCEL.

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I MISSED THE MEETING. I WAS AT DISNEYLAND THAT WE GOT A FULL BACKGROUND WAY BACK BEFORE I WAS HERE 20 PLUS YEARS AGO ON THE HISTORY OF THIS PARCEL. IT WAS I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT STORY.

I HADN'T HEARD THAT STORY FROM THE PARKS DIRECTOR THAT WAS HERE BEFORE.

SO IT WAS VERY INTERESTING HEARING THAT FOR ME.

VERY TOUCHING TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS AND RESTRICTIONS.

SO WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH PARCEL AND HOW IT WAS OBTAINED, AND THEN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE PARCELS BECAUSE OF THE CHAPTER 26 REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WENT THROUGH NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY, WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE. CHAPTER 26 CERTAIN CITY CHARTER LIMITATIONS THAT ARE IN THE CHARTER REGARDING CHAPTER 26 AND THE PROPERTIES THEMSELVES, AND THEN A AND THEN A FULL TIMELINE OF PRIOR ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN BY COUNCIL GOING BACK TWO YEARS, MORE THAN TWO YEARS. AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, BOTH WITH BUDA AND HAYS COUNTY. WHICH IS IMPORTANT NOT BECAUSE NECESSARILY OF THE STATUS, BUT JUST WHAT, WHAT THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE MOU ENTAILED, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS SIGNED BY ALL THE PARTIES, THE CURRENT STATUS OF OUR DESIGN CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, SOME REQUIREMENTS OF GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF IF THE CITY OF KYLE DOES OR DOESN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS, OR IF HAYS COUNTY DOES OR DOESN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT ARE THEY REQUIRED TO DO? SO WE'LL WE WILL GO OVER THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN WE'LL STOP AT THAT POINT AND DO A FULL CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL AND FEEDBACK WITH COUNCIL WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING TO ME.

DO A FULL CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL. AND THEN AFTER HAVING ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WE'LL LOOK AT THE FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS. SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.

IT IS A LOT, BUT I THINK WE'LL MOVE PRETTY EXPEDITIOUSLY THROUGH IT AS WE GO.

SO I THINK AMY'S SLIDES ARE UP FIRST. SO I WILL HAND THE CLICKER OVER TO HER AS SHE GOES THROUGH.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AMY. CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH PARCEL PRETTY QUICKLY TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE KNOW OF THE HISTORY OF WHERE WE GOT THE PARCEL. THIS FIRST PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 8.6 ACRES AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE YELLOW HERE. THAT ONE WAS ACQUIRED FROM NESTER DEVELOPMENT INC.

ON JULY 16TH, 2008. I AM NOT ABLE TO FIND ANY COUNCIL ACTION ON THAT DEED BECAUSE OF THAT.

MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT WAS LIKELY DEDICATED BECAUSE IF IT HAD BEEN A PURCHASE, IT HAD INVOLVED CITY PAYING MONEY THAT WOULD HAVE COME TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.

THE SECOND PARCEL IS A 7.8 ACRE TRACT OF LAND RIGHT HERE ON DAISY AND SUNFLOWER DRIVE.

IT'S IN THE YELLOW ON THIS ONE. THAT PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED FROM ALONSO MARTINEZ ON APRIL 17TH, 2008. THERE WAS A RESOLUTION FOR THAT PURCHASE.

THAT RESOLUTION WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED IN NOVEMBER OF 2007, SO IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE FOR THE PURCHASE TO BE COMPLETED. IT WAS PURCHASED THERE.

THERE WAS REFERENCE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THIS WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE PARK LAND WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED, AND THAT THERE WAS A PRICE INVOLVED. I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT WAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE WAS A PRICE INVOLVED. THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION IN THE RESOLUTION ABOUT HOW ONE OF THE OFFERS INCLUDED THAT IF THE PARK WAS NAMED AFTER THE FAMILY, THEY MIGHT GET ONE OF THE SOME OF THE PROPERTY FOR FREE OR DISCOUNT RATE.

IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT IT WAS PURCHASED AT THE DISCOUNTED RATE, SO I DON'T.

AND I HAVE NOT SEEN AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED US TO NAME ANY OF THE FACILITIES AFTER THE FAMILY.

AND THEN THE LAST PROPERTY HERE IS 13.2 ACRE TRACT.

THIS ONE IS AGAIN IN YELLOW ON THIS EXHIBIT. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 300FT WEST OF DAISY LANE AND KYLE.

IT WAS ACQUIRED FROM MEADOWS AT KYLE TWO LIMITED ON FEBRUARY 19TH, 2008, AND THAT PROPERTY WAS DEDICATED TO THE CITY UNDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH PROVIDED. THE DEDICATION OF THE PROPERTY WOULD SATISFY THE DEVELOPER'S REQUIREMENT TO PAY PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEES.

AND IT WAS REFERENCED IN THE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PARK LAND.

ALL THREE PROPERTIES CONTAIN THE SAME DEED RESTRICTIONS.

I'VE KIND OF PUT A SUMMARY OF THEM IN HERE. THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS THAT THERE ARE NO, NO COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS TO BE ALLOWED, AND SPECIFICALLY NO FOULS OR ANIMALS SHALL BE KEPT ON THE PREMISES IN SUCH NUMBERS OR MANNER TO CREATE A NUISANCE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO TASK OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT WITH WAS DETERMINING WHETHER THAT RESTRICTION IS STILL IN EFFECT, AND DETERMINING WHETHER THERE WAS A WAY TO CONSTRUCT THE FACILITY TO COMPLY WITH THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PROVISION.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN ANNUAL ASSESSMENT PER TRACT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, AND IT REFERENCED THE PROPERTY OWNERS COMMITTEE. THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE RECORD OF EVER HAVING PAID THAT ASSESSMENT.

IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT ANYBODY HAS EVER REQUESTED THAT WE PAY THE ASSESSMENT. NOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE A GOVERNMENT. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE

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ASSESSMENT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST. I ALSO WAS UNABLE TO LOCATE THE PROPERTY OWNERS COMMITTEE THAT'S REFERENCED IN HERE COVERING THOSE.

LIKE YOU CAN FIND AN HOA ONLINE, BUT I COULDN'T FIND ONE THAT COVERED THAT WHOLE AREA.

DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST, JUST COULDN'T FIND IT.

THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE'VE TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT, BUT HERE'S SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS ACTUALLY WITH BOTH THE MEADOWS AT KYLE AND WITH SUNSET HILLS SUBDIVISIONS AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT, THAT DEVELOPER WAS REQUIRED TO DEDICATE THE PROPERTY, AND THEY DID.

THROUGHOUT THE AGREEMENT REFERRED TO THAT PROPERTY AS THE PARKLAND AND PROVIDED THE DEDICATION SATISFIED THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES. THE AGREEMENT DID INCLUDE LANGUAGE PROVIDING THE CITY INTENDED TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A PARK, BUT DID NOT SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY LIMIT THE USE FOR THAT PURPOSE. I THINK THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMUNITY ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING LIKE A REC CENTER THERE AS WELL, WHICH IS A PARK REC USE, BUT IS NOT NECESSARILY SIMPLY A PARK.

AND THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 26 OF THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE RELATED TO THE USE OF PARKLAND FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

I PRETTY MUCH LAID OUT THE LANGUAGE IN SECTION 26.001 HERE.

I DON'T REALLY WANT TO READ THROUGH IT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT REQUIRES THAT THE CITY HAVE A HEARING, THAT WE PROVIDE NOTICE OF THAT HEARING AND VERY, VERY SPECIFIC NEWSPAPER NOTICE. AND SO IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT POSSIBLE TO POST IT IN THE HISTORY PRESS TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. IT HAD TO BE THE AUSTIN AMERICAN STATESMAN. BUT WE DID ALSO POST A COURTESY NOTICE IN THE HAYS FREE PRESS JUST SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT, BECAUSE WE FIGURE OUR RESIDENTS ARE PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO LOOK THERE. AND WE WELL, AT THE TIME, WE DID NOT BELIEVE THE HEARING WAS WAS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS NOT IN USE AS A PARK, WHICH IS WHAT'S LISTED IN THE AGREEMENT. AND THERE IS SOME AG OPINIONS AND SOME CASE LAW THAT SUPPORTS THAT DETERMINATION THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN IN USE BEFORE THIS REQUIRED. WE DID BELIEVE THAT IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THEN THE CITY CHARTER, ARTICLE 11 HAS TWO PROVISIONS THAT I THINK ARE ALWAYS OF INTEREST.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FACILITIES THAT WE LOOKED WE LOOKED AT THESE SAME PROVISIONS WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR AGREEMENT WITH CASA THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT REQUIRE ELECTIONS PRIOR TO CERTAIN TRANSACTIONS, INCLUDING THE SALE OR LEASE OF A CITY PARK AND SEVERAL OTHER CITY FACILITIES, AND ALSO THE APPROVAL OF AN OPERATION OR MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH FOR CITY OWNED FACILITY.

SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER IF WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE USE OF PARKLAND.

OKAY. SO I OKAY, SO I WILL JUMP IN NOW AND WE WILL WALK THROUGH A HISTORICAL OVERVIEW OF ALL THE EVENTS STARTING FROM LATE 2024. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT THAT'S WE'LL START FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

YES. BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN WE GO BACK? I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LAST SLIDE.

SURE. SO.

OKAY. SO THIS IS JUST SAYING IF WE WANTED TO SELL THE PARKLAND OR LEASE.

RIGHT. SO THE STATE LAW PROHIBITS THE SALE OF PARKLAND.

ONCE IT'S ONCE IT'S A PARK WITHOUT AN ELECTION.

THE CHARTER ALSO PROHIBITS THE LEASE OF A PARK.

IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY DEFINE A PARK AS TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT LAND DEDICATED AS A PARK VERSUS LAND CURRENTLY USED AS A PARK.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ASSESS THE RISK ON IF WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY, SO I WANT TO CLARIFY. THIS AREA WAS IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, CORRECT? IT WAS. YES. OKAY. AND YOU GUYS WERE AWARE THAT THERE WAS $1 MILLION SPENT ON A SPORTS COMPLEX? SCHEMATICS, CORRECT. ON THIS PIECE OF LAND. THIS PIECE OF LAND.

I, I, I WAS NOT AWARE EVEN TO THIS POINT THAT THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS A I HAVE IT AT HOME.

I GLADLY BRING IT IN. AND I THINK THERE WAS A AN ARTICLE IN THE HAYS FREE PRESS OR COMMUNITY IMPACT I CAN SEND TO YOU GUYS.

THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL SPORTSPLEX WAS SUPPOSED TO GO.

AND I THINK IT WAS IN 2016 THAT THE CITY SPENT $1 MILLION ON THESE PARK PLANS, AND THEY NOTHING EVER BECAME OF IT.

THE REASON WHY I ASK THESE IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A BELIEF THAT THIS WASN'T DEDICATED PARKLAND.

BUT IF IT'S IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, AND IF HISTORICALLY THE CITY SPENT MONEY FOR THIS PARK, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD A SPORTS COMPLEX I WOULD CONSIDER IT PARK CITY, A CITY PARK.

SO DEPENDING ON HOW WE LOOK AT THIS, SECTION 11.11 SAYS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO LEASE THIS, WHICH WAS ON THE TABLE, IF WE WERE GOING TO LEASE THIS LAND TO THE COUNTY, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON AN ELECTION.

IT WOULD HAVE TO GO ON A BALLOT. IS THAT CORRECT?

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THE LEASE OR SALE OF A CITY PARK WOULD HAVE TO GO ON A BALLOT.

YES, A GENERAL ELECTION. OKAY. SO DEPENDING ON HOW WE LOOK AT AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME TO CLARIFY BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IT WASN'T PARKLAND, SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IT WAS IF WE HAD RESIDENTS THAT WERE PROMISED THAT AREA AS PARKLAND. IF THEY CAME AND SUED THE CITY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AND SO JUST LOOKING AT IT AS A LIABILITY OVERALL FOR THE CITY.

I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIVE OVER THERE. SOME PEOPLE THINK IT DON'T DON'T WORRY, IT'S NOT PARKLAND.

BUT THERE IS A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WERE PROMISED THIS AREA AS PARKLAND.

AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF IT.

AND IF THEY GOT UPSET ENOUGH, THEY COULD GO AND GET AN ATTORNEY AND THEN SUE THE CITY AND WE'D BE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

SO TO ME, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOT ONLY THE STATE SAYS, WE HAVE CHAPTER 26, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE BULLET POINTS THAT WE HAVE TO.

ONE BEING THAT THERE'S NO OTHER VIABLE OPTION IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE THIS WAS A COUNTY BUILDING.

BUT ALSO OUR CHARTER SAYS YOU CANNOT TAKE PARKLAND AND CHANGE IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE UNLESS IT'S PLACED ON A BALLOT.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THAT'S JUST SECTION 11.11.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND 11.1211.12 IS NOT NECESSARILY TRIGGERED BY THIS SECTION, BUT I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO INSTEAD SAY, HOW ABOUT THE CITY OWNS THE BUILDING, BUT WE PUT IN AN OPERATION OR MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH, WITH, WITH SEVERAL CERTAIN CITY FACILITIES WITHOUT DOING FULL COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT.

AND WE CAN'T HAVE ANY CONTRACT FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS WITHOUT AN ELECTION.

AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS TO USE THE PROPERTY, NOT THROUGH A SALE OR LEASE, THAT'S A PROVISION WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

OKAY, ONLY IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED AS A PARK.

CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE WILL JUMP INTO A HISTORICAL WALK THROUGH.

NOW WE'LL START FROM THE BEGINNING. IN LATE 2024, THE CITY LEARNED THAT SAN MARCOS REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER WAS ULTIMATELY RELEASING ITS PARTNERS OUT OF THE OUT OF THEIR AGREEMENT, ALL PARTNERS OUT OF THEIR AGREEMENT.

WE HAD WE MET WITH THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS, THE CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM.

WE WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT GOING FORWARD, WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE.

ULTIMATELY, TO SUM UP THE WHOLE CONVERSATION, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T BE RELEASED OR KICKED OUT AS LONG AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH SUBSTANTIAL WAYS TO, TO TAKE ON OUR OWN ANIMAL SERVICES.

RIGHT. SO IT WASN'T AN IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO WE HAVE TO HAVE MEASURED WAYS OF MOVING FORWARD THAT THEY CAN SEE.

SO WE ABSOLUTELY, WE STARTED AT THAT POINT, HAYS COUNTY AND I'LL, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, I'LL GO, I WILL TRY AND EXPLAIN ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AS QUICKLY AND EASILY AS SUCCINCTLY AS POSSIBLE.

BUT I WOULD SAY FOR ANYONE WATCHING THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A INSIGHT INTO CITY ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS COMING IN AND GOING OUT ALL AT THE ON THE SAME TIMELINE.

AT THAT TIME, HAYS COUNTY WAS PURSUING AND HAD BEEN PURSUING FOR QUITE A LITTLE FOR A WHILE AS A WHOLE OTHER ELEMENT WITH AUSTIN PETS ALIVE, AN OPTION WITH AUSTIN PETS ALIVE. AND SO WHEN HEARING THAT FROM SAN MARCOS, THE CITY SAID, WELL, WE NEED TO IMMEDIATELY DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.

NOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY OR ANY OTHER ENTITIES.

THIS WAS JUST WE NEED TO GET A FEASIBILITY STUDY OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR KYLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SELF-SUSTAINING OPTION.

SO IN NOVEMBER 19TH, AND I'LL NOTE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THE BOLD DAYS ARE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION OR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL. SO ALL THE BOLD ARE ARE ACTUAL INTERACTIONS WITH COUNCIL.

ON NOVEMBER 19TH WE CAME TO COUNCIL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE SAN MARKET REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER RELEASING ITS PARTNERS AND COUNCIL SAID, LET'S GO OUT, GET GET AN RFP ON THE STREET. LET'S GET A FEASIBILITY STUDY GOING.

LET'S GET MOVING. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE WENT OUT AND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE SCOPE OF IT WAS NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY.

IT WAS A DEEP DATA ANALYSIS OF WHAT SAN MARCOS HAD ALREADY, AND ALSO WHAT WE HAD FROM OUR ANALYTICS WITHIN THE CITY.

AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC, PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT.

SO MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH STAKEHOLDERS.

SITE EVALUATIONS PROGRAMMINGS OPERATIONS. SO NOT ONLY HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO BUILD A BUILDING, BUT ALSO TO OPERATE IT. FINANCIALS AND RIGHTSIZING.

AGAIN, AT THIS POINT THIS WAS JUST FOR THE CITY OF KYLE.

ON JANUARY 7TH WE PRESENTED THE WE WENT THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.

JANUARY 7TH WE BROUGHT THAT RFP. THE WINNER OF THAT RFP WAS JACKSON AND RYAN, AND THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY TO GO FORWARD WAS PRESENTED AND APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE AT THAT POINT, LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS OUT IN PUBLIC AND IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

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BECAUSE OF THAT, AT SOME POINT, WHICH I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL INFORMATION ON THIS.

BUT AT SOME POINT, THE AUSTIN PETS ALIVE OPTION FELL THROUGH WITH HAYS COUNTY.

AND BECAUSE THE CITY WAS TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND MOVING FORWARD AND BUILDING OUR OWN BUILDING AND BUILDING A SELF-SUSTAINING OPTION, THAT AT THAT POINT, AFTER THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD, HAYS COUNTY REACHED OUT TO TALK ABOUT DISCUSSIONS FOR PARTNERSHIPS WITH ANIMAL SERVICES. THE. THIS WILL COME INTO PLAY IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE HAYS COUNTY EAST CAMPUS HAVING A HAYS COUNTY EAST CAMPUS JUST.

IN GENERAL. THAT WAS A SEPARATE PROJECT AND DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE NOT ATTACHED AT THIS POINT TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER OR CAL VISTA IN ANY WAY, AS WELL AS. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED JUST A MINUTE AGO, CAL VISTA PARK HAD A MASTER PLAN OR A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.

IT WASN'T A FULLY. BAKED MASTER PLAN. IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN THAT WAS BUILT INTO OUR PROS MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAD JUST UPDATED AT THE TIME.

BUT THOSE THREE ELEMENTS EXISTED INDEPENDENTLY AT THIS TIME AND JANUARY OF SEVENTH OF 2025.

THIS GOES A LITTLE FASTER OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. I JUST WANTED TO SET THE STAGE FOR ALL OF THAT.

SO IN APRIL, SO, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS LATER, INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING POSSIBLE HAYS COUNTY PARTNERSHIPS, BECAUSE ONCE THE ONCE THE COUNTY REACHED OUT TO US, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS.

AND THEN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WOULD FILTER DOWN TO STAFF. AND I WAS WORKING MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME WERE WORKING WITH CANDACE, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WOULD FILTER DOWN TO US AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT DEAL POINTS AND DISCUSSION POINTS.

AND ANY TIME ANY, ANY NOTICEABLE OR LARGE DISCUSSION POINTS WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

WE WOULD SET AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH COUNCIL AND WOULD BRING THOSE DISCUSSION POINTS AND ELEMENTS TO COUNCIL.

AT THIS POINT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT AMORPHOUS. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? THEY'VE MENTIONED THIS. IT HADN'T QUITE COME TOGETHER IN A COMPLETE PROJECT AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF A PARTNERSHIP WITH HAYS COUNTY AS IT RELATED TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER. ALSO ON APRIL 1ST, THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WAS GOING ON FOR THE CITY OF KYLE ONLY WITH JACKSON.

RYAN COMPLETED ITS FIRST PHASE AND WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.

IT WAS JUST A STAFF REPORT, BUT IT WAS THE PORTION OF THAT PHASE THAT WAS COMPLETED WAS THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THE COMMUNITY INPUT, THE OPERATIONS AND THE DATA ANALYTICS.

SO WE SHOWED COUNCIL IN OPEN SESSION THAT PHASE ONE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON APRIL 1ST, THE COUNCIL DIRECTED THE CITY, THE CITY STAFF TO START LOOKING AT PURSUING THE HAYS COUNTY BUILDING, THE PARK, THE CONCEPTUAL PARK AND MASTER PLAN OF OF KYLE VISTA AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER AS A POSSIBLE ONE PROJECT. SO THAT WAS WHEN IT'S THE CONVERSATION STARTED OF COULD THIS BE ONE PROJECT ON ONE SITE? THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS CALLED PROJECT. THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS DEEMED DEEMED THE NAME PROJECT SUNFLOWER, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE AGENDAS AS WE AS, AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THEM.

AND ALSO SIDE NOTE, THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIKE TREMENDOUS BEARING ON THE CONVERSATION, BUT BUDA ALSO REACHED OUT AROUND THAT TIME SAYING, HEY, IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PARTNER OR DO SOMETHING WITH HAYS, WE'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF IT. JUNE 17TH DISCUSSIONS ON PROJECT SUNFLOWER NEGOTIATIONS, DEAL POINTS AND PARTNERSHIPS WERE DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL. YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THESE AS WE GO THROUGH AND I'LL GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY. BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR STAFF AND THE COMMISSION AND THE THE COUNTY STAFF.

AND THOSE DEAL POINTS REACHED A CERTAIN POINT WHERE WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE NEED TO GET TO COUNCIL AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS AND GET THEIR OPINION ON THIS. AND SO THAT WAS WHAT THAT THOSE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, AS YOU SEE THEM GO THROUGH ON PROJECT SUNFLOWER, WERE THE PROGRESSION OF THOSE.

THAT PROJECT HAS WENT FORWARD ON JUNE 17TH, WHILE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROGRESSION OF THE PROJECT, WE ALSO HAD THE SECOND PHASE OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

KEEP IN MIND, STILL JUST FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT WAS SITE EVALUATIONS WHERE WE HAD MULTIPLE PUBLIC INPUTS WHERE WE SHOWED DIFFERENT SITES ALL AROUND THE CITY.

WE HAD A LARGE CHART WHERE PEOPLE COULD PIN, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SITES AROUND THE CITY AND WHERE THEY THOUGHT IT SHOULD GO.

WE HAD, WE HAD IT ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS IN, IN AREAS ALL OVER THE CITY.

OPERATIONAL AND FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY AND WHAT IT WOULD COST.

WE PRESENTED THAT TO COUNCIL AS WELL. JULY 1ST AS WE KEPT MOVING ALONG.

ANOTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH NEGOTIATIONS AND DEAL POINTS.

AND IN JULY 15TH WE RECEIVED A CONCEPTUAL O. THE COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION RECEIVED A CONCEPTUAL PROPOSAL OF WHAT AN MOU PARTNERSHIP COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS WAS WHEN STAFF CAME BACK AND SAID, HEY, IF WE DID AN MOU AND IT INCLUDED ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS, THE HAYS COUNTY BUILDING, THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND THIS PARK, HERE'S HOW, HERE'S WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE.

AND IT WAS DEAL POINTS LIKE THE LEASE OF THE BUILDING, HOW MUCH THE LEASE WOULD, HOW MUCH WE THE BUILDING COULD BE LEASED FOR, TO ALSO INCLUDE ELEMENTS OF A PARK AROUND IT, AND THEN ALSO THE ANIMAL SHELTER TYING INTO IT AS WELL.

AND SO THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT THAT PROJECT COULD LOOK LIKE. AND COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF ON JULY 15TH IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO BRING BACK AN MOU THAT THAT INCLUDED ALL THOSE ELEMENTS TO COUNCIL FOR AN OPEN SESSION PRESENTATION AND VOTE THAT CAME BACK ON AUGUST 5TH.

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DISCUSSIONS. THERE WERE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND GOING FORWARD, THE NEGOTIATIONS OF PARTNERSHIPS AND ON AUGUST 5TH WE.

THE. WE HAD COMPLETED THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND GAVE A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL THAT INCLUDED THE FULL STUDY AND LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS AND THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS THAT YOU SEE IN A LOT OF THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE WENT FORWARD. THOSE WERE THE DESIGNS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY. I WILL SAY THAT BETWEEN PHASE TWO, JUNE 17TH AND THE COMPLETED FEASIBILITY STUDY, AUGUST 5TH, WE HAD, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON WITH WITH THE MOU AND THIS BECOMING A LARGER PARTNERSHIP AND WHAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BECOME THE ILA.

WE DID TALK TO JACKSON AND RYAN ABOUT, HEY, IF WE WERE TAKING ON MORE RESPONSIBILITY NOT A, NOT A REGIONAL SHELTER FOR THE ENTIRE REGION THAT WAS NEVER CONSIDERED, THAT WAS NEVER AN OPTION, BUT JUST IN WHERE WE LIVE A LARGER SCOPE TAKING ON RESPONSIBILITY FOR COUNTY AND POSSIBLY BUDDHA.

WE SAID, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? THIS WAS NOT IN JACKSON AND RYAN'S FEASIBILITY SCOPE, BUT THEY DID PULL SOME NUMBERS, AND THEY DID LOOK AT SOME STUFF JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE EXPANDED THAT SCOPE.

BUT THE FINAL COMPLETED FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT YOU CAN PULL AND LOOK AT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY OF KYLE AND THE NUMBERS FOR CITY OF KYLE.

ON AUGUST 5TH, THE CITY BROUGHT THE STAFF, BROUGHT THE MOU, THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TO HAYS WITH HAYS COUNTY TO THE COUNCIL.

IT WAS PROJECT SUNFLOWER. IT WAS APPROVED SEVEN ZERO ON SEPTEMBER 16TH.

WE HAD MORE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE WE HAD THE MOU, IT STILL WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WE WERE GOING TO LEASE THIS BUILDING.

WE'RE GOING TO LEASE THIS LAND FOR THEM TO BUILD THIS BUILDING. WE'RE GOING TO GET A CHUNK OF MONEY. THAT MONEY WOULD GO INTO A PARK THAT WAS FULLY DESIGNED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SITE. AND THEN THE ANIMAL SHELTER WOULD ALSO BE A PART OF THAT AND CONNECTED TO IT.

BUT THERE WAS STILL A LOT OF POINTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO GET AN ACTUAL ISLA, THE CONCRETE DOCUMENT TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THERE WAS STILL A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD. SO ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, WE CONTINUE TO MOVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS FORWARD ON PROJECT SUNFLOWER.

AND THAT WAS ALSO WHEN, AS AMY MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AND RESOLUTION FOR THE CHAPTER 26 PROCEDURES OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION THAT THAT MIGHT BE PARKLAND. WE. THERE WAS A LOT OF I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT THAT TIME ABOUT OFFICIAL PARKLAND.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND IT'S, IT'S WELL HEARD OF WHAT WAS PROMISED AND WHAT, HOW IT WAS BOUGHT AND HOW IT WAS PURCHASED. BUT WE, THE STAFF DID HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT IS OFFICIAL PARKLAND, DEDICATED OFFICIAL PARKLAND THAT FITS THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THAT WAS REALLY WHAT WE CALL WHY WE SAID OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND CONCRETE DOCUMENTS AT THE TIME THAT SAID, THIS IS 100% PARKLAND. AND SO THAT WAS WHY WE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD IN CHAPTER 26, ACCORDING TO MY RECOLLECTION OCTOBER 8TH.

WE HAD DISCUSSIONS OF NEXT STEPS FOR PROJECT SUNFLOWER.

THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED THE STAFF TO PREPARE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL AS WELL AS A SEPARATE.

AND I WILL MAKE THIS DISTINCTION IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS WELL AS A SEPARATE LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE HAYS COUNTY CAMPUS AND PARK PAYMENTS.

SO THE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION RECENTLY THAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT INCLUDED THE HAYS COUNTY BUILDING, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE. THAT WAS ALWAYS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONLY REGARDING THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND THE ONE TRACT IT'S ON. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE BUILDING AND THE MONEY THAT WAS GOING FROM THAT LEASE TO THE PARK HAS NEVER COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN OR DISCUSSED IN AN OPEN COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THAT AGREEMENT HAS NEVER COME FORWARD AND WAS NEVER SEEN.

WE WERE DIRECTED TO BRING THAT BACK. WE NEVER GOT TO IT, AS YOU'LL SEE, THE TIMELINE KIND OF CHANGES HERE.

AND THEN ON OCTOBER 8TH, ALSO THE MOU WITH BUDA WAS APPROVED NOVEMBER 18TH, WE HAD MORE.

AS WE CONTINUED TO GET THE IL AYE PUT TOGETHER.

WE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH WITH COUNCIL.

SAME WITH NOVEMBER 20TH. SAME WITH DECEMBER 16TH.

WE WERE HAVING ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MEETING AT THAT POINT TALKING ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS AND DEAL POINTS.

AND THEN IN DECEMBER 16TH, AFTER A MAYOR, I THINK YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS MEETING, I, I WILL NEVER FORGET IT.

WE HAD THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ON COUNCIL, I MEAN, ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA TO BE APPROVED.

MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS AS WELL. WE HAD TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO WERE STILL SEATED ON COUNCIL, BUT THEY WERE NOT AT THAT MEETING. HOWEVER, WE HAD TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO HAD BEEN ELECTED IN THE ELECTION BUT HADN'T BEEN SWORN IN AT THAT TIME.

AND THERE WAS A LONG DETAILED CONVERSATION OF ALLOWING THOSE MEMBERS TO, TO PAUSE THIS, TO TABLE THIS AND ALLOWING THOSE MEMBERS TO GET ON, GET SWORN IN AND THEN WEIGH IN ON THE, ON THIS AGREEMENT THAT WAS COMING FORWARD BECAUSE IT WAS IT IS A LARGE AGREEMENT.

AND IT AND IT WAS IT DID HAVE A LOT OF DEAL POINTS IN IT.

SO AT THAT POINT, ON DECEMBER 16TH, AFTER MUCH DISCUSSION, IT WAS TABLED 4 TO 1.

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AND THEN THE DESIGN CONTRACT WAS ALSO OBVIOUSLY ON THAT AGENDA AS WELL, BECAUSE THE TWO ARE INEXTRICABLY TIED.

SO THAT WAS ALSO TABLED FOR ONE ON JANUARY 6TH AFTER THE THOSE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE SWORN IN AND ON COUNCIL, WE WANTED WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST THROW AN ILA AT THEM AND SAY, HERE YOU GO, VOTE ON IT.

SO WE HAD A FULL BACKGROUND IN HISTORY OF PROJECT SUNFLOWER THAT WE WALKED THROUGH FROM START TO FINISH IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL LAST ONE.

AND THEN ON JANUARY 20TH, 20TH, THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND WAS APPROVED SIX ONE.

THE DESIGN CONTRACT CAME BACK AS WELL. THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED SIX ONE.

AND THEN THE STAFF CONTINUED TO WORK WITH JACKSON RYAN ON PROGRAM CONFIRMATION, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.

I WOULD ALSO NOTE AFTER THAT JANUARY 24TH, WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC WORKSHOP WITH ALL OF OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT CAME ON.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER AT THAT MEETING MARCH 6TH THROUGH EIGHT.

WE HAD A SECOND CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC WORKSHOP.

THERE WAS MUCH DISCUSSION OF IT AT THAT MEETING.

AND THEN MAY 16TH, A DAY THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY.

THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST MEETING OF OUR BUDGET SHORTFALL WAS PRESENTED BY OUR NOW INTERIM CITY MANAGER, PERVEZ WAHEED. AND RIGHT SHORTLY AFTER THAT, JUNE 13TH, WE HAD A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN MEETING WHERE WE REVIEWED ALL.

IN LIGHT OF THAT BUDGET DEFICIT, WHERE WE REVIEWED ALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECTS THAT WERE PUT FORWARD, THE ANIMAL SHELTER, CERTAINLY AN ILA WAS CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM, AND COUNCIL HAD DISCUSSIONS AT THAT MEETING TO SAY IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR ANIMALS AND THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT WE WE CANNOT, YOU KNOW, TURN AWAY FROM.

BUT GIVEN THE BUDGET AND GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED, WE NEED TO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. WE NEED THIS TO BE BROUGHT BACK. SO HERE WE ARE BRINGING IT BACK. AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES.

BUT ON JUNE 25TH, JUST RECENTLY, HAYS COUNTY SENT THE CITY A LETTER TERMINATING, WHICH THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO, BUT TERMINATING THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AS IT RELATED TO.

WELL, TOTALLY. BUT AS SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATED TO THE THE HAYS COUNTY BUILDING, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE PARK ELEMENTS THAT WERE GOING INTO IT AS WELL.

SO THAT IS THE FULL TIMELINE AND HISTORICAL WALKTHROUGH.

THAT IS NOW BURNED INTO MY BRAIN FOR ALL ETERNITY.

SO LET'S TALK REALLY QUICKLY ABOUT THESE NEXT THREE ELEMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE FULL DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE THE CURRENT STATUS OF OUR MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, OUR ILA AND OUR DESIGN CONTRACT. I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE MOU, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY NULL AND VOID AT THIS POINT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.

BUT THE MOU ITSELF WAS THE ONLY DOCUMENT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THIS.

IT WAS THE ONLY DOCUMENT THAT INCLUDED ALL THREE ELEMENTS INTO ONE DOCUMENT, WHICH WAS THE COUNTY BUILDING, THE PARK AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER. THE WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

THIS WAS JUST ALL THREE ENTITIES SAYING, YES, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

AND WE LIKE THIS AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

LIKE I SAID, ON JUNE 25TH, HAYS COUNTY TERMINATED THAT MOU AS IT RELATES TO THE BUILDING AND THE PARK.

SO THAT'S TERMINATED FROM THEIR SIDE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS A TERM AND TERMINATION IN THE MOU THAT SAYS THE MOU BECOMES THE MOU LOSES IS SUPERSEDED WHEN IT'S SIGNED BY MORE A SUPERSEDING DOCUMENT, WHICH WAS THE ILA SO THE MINUTE WE SIGNED AN ILA WITH BUDDHA AND WITH HAYS COUNTY, THE MOU CEASED TO EXIST IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

SO FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THE MOU DOESN'T HOLD ANY WEIGHT OR EXIST FOR ANY OF THE ENTITIES THAT THAT SIGNED IT ORIGINALLY.

SO THAT MEANS WITH THE ILA WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT GO ALL THE WAY BACK.

THIS PIECE OF LAND 17384. I WAS GOING TO TEST YOU ALL AT THE END OF THIS.

OF WHAT? ALL THE NUMBERS FOR THE TRACTS OF LAND.

SO THE MOU HAD THE EAST COUNTY BUILDING ON THIS TRACT OF LAND ONE, SEVEN, THREE, EIGHT, EIGHT.

AND THE PARK ELEMENTS WERE GOING TO GO ON THE 17390 TRACT OF LAND.

NOW THAT THE MOU IS TERMINATED AND NULL AND VOID ACROSS ALL THOSE ENTITIES THAT SOLD IT.

I MEAN, IT SIGNED IT. THESE TRACTS OF LAND ESSENTIALLY HAVE OTHER THAN CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, PARK ELEMENTS THAT WE HAD FROM BEFORE. THEY HAVE NOTHING GOING ON.

THERE'S NO PLAN. EVEN IF WE WENT FORWARD FULLY WITH THE ILA AS IT EXISTS TODAY, THIS TRACT OF LAND DOES NOT GET TOUCHED.

AND THIS TRACT OF LAND DOES NOT GET TOUCHED. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ILA, WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS 17384 TRACT OF LAND THAT HAS THIS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF U-SHAPED DESIGN. THE OTHER TWO, AS, AS IT STANDS TODAY, ARE COMPLETELY FREE AND CLEAR OF ANYTHING GOING ON THEM OR BEING BUILT ON THEM. AS IT RELATES TO THE MOU AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO I JUST WANT TO, I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. NOW, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE ILA, AND I'M SURE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THIS DOCUMENT VERY WELL. WE WE'VE REVIEWED IT. WE, WE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS ON IT.

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THIS WAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH HAYS COUNTY AND BUDA AND A BREAKDOWN OF THE SPLIT COSTS, BOTH CAPITAL AND OPERATIONS, TO TAKE CARE OF THIS SPECIFIC AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED.

YOU SAW THE HISTORY OF THIS BEING APPROVED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THIS DOCUMENT IS THAT IT IS AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THAT ONE TRACT OF LAND ALONE TO BUILD THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AND TO HAVE THIS BREAKDOWN OF COSTS BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

AND IT HAS BEEN SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES, AND IT'S REALLY AWAITING JUST COUNCIL FURTHER DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION.

SO IT'S REALLY ON IT'S REALLY ON PAUSE RIGHT NOW.

THE DESIGN CONTRACT, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. THAT'S ALSO ON PAUSE RIGHT NOW AS WELL. AWAITING FURTHER COUNCIL DIRECTION.

BUT THIS IS SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES AND IT DOES INCORPORATE THIS AREA.

THE DOCUMENT DOES NOT. I'LL SAY THIS AGAIN, THE DOCUMENT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT WHERE THIS BUILDING GOES.

SO I DOUBLE CHECKED IT MYSELF. THE DOCUMENT DOES NOT SAY THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DOCUMENT THAT SAYS IT GOES ON THAT TRACK TO LAND IT.

IT'S ALL JUST ABOUT OPERATIONS, CAPITAL, WHO PAYS.

AND WE HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY MONEY FROM ANY OF OUR ENTITIES THAT WERE PAIRED WITH, AT THIS TIME, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE DESIGN CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE ILA, THEY WANTED TO DO A BECAUSE THAT FIRST FEASIBILITY WE DID WAS SO HYPER FOCUSED ON THE CITY OF KYLE ITSELF, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD ALL THE RIGHT DATA AND ANALYTICS FOR THIS AREA, WHICH IS A MUCH EXPANDED AREA AND A MUCH A TREMENDOUS HIGHER AMOUNT OF ANIMALS IN THIS AREA, SOMETHING TO THE TUNE OF 70% OF THE COUNTY'S 70 PLUS PERCENT OF THE COUNTY'S ANIMALS ARE IN THIS AREA.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY THE THAT THE CITIZENS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS WERE AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE DATA AND THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING LINED UP WITH THIS SPECIFIC AREA.

SO THEY DID SOMETHING THAT BEFORE THEY STARTED DESIGN CALLED A PROGRAM CONFIRMATION, WHICH WAS TO GO OUT AND GET NOT ONLY STAKEHOLDER INPUT, BUT ALSO TO TALK TO CITIZENS AND TALK TO STAKEHOLDERS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND GET THEIR INPUT ON WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS AREA, AND UPDATE ALL OF OUR ANALYTICS AND OUR NUMBERS.

AND SO THEY HAVE DONE THAT. THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AND HAD ALL OF THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

AND TIMING WAS KIND OF PERFECT BECAUSE RIGHT WHEN THEY FINISHED THAT PROGRAM CONFIRMATION FOR THE ILA AND WE'RE ABOUT TO MOVE INTO SCHEMATIC DESIGN WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, START ACTUALLY DESIGNING THIS BUILDING ON THAT SITE.

WE HAD THE, THE BUDGET MEETING AND THE CIP MEETING.

AND SO WE CALLED JACKSON AND RYAN AND SAID, HEY, STOP AT PROGRAM CONFIRMATION.

IT'S THE PERFECT PLACE TO STOP BEFORE YOU START DESIGNING A BUILDING ON A PLOT OF LAND, AND WE WANT TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT THE BUDGET.

WE WANT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE BUILDING AND WHERE IT GOES AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE PAUSED AND THEY HAVEN'T STARTED DESIGNING THAT BUILDING ON THAT SITE AND ARE READY TO START WHENEVER WE GET FULL APPROVAL AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. I THINK AMY HAS ONE MORE SLIDE AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO, YOU KNOW, FULL CONVERSATION.

SO I WAS AT DISNEY WORLD ON THE JUNE 13TH MEETING.

APPARENTLY WE LIKE TO GO TO DISNEY IN THE CITY.

SO I MISSED THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL ASKED AT THAT MEETING.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT LEGAL REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO GOVERNMENT ENTITIES IN THE.

THE BIG SPOILER IS BASICALLY THERE'S NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT A CITY OWN OR OPERATE ANIMAL SHELTER, NOR IS THERE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT A COUNTY OWN OR OPERATE AN ANIMAL SHELTER. THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS ABOUT SPECIFIC ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES, AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE THOSE OR SOME PRIVATE ENTITY TO PROVIDE THOSE ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES.

SPECIFICALLY STANDARDS FOR RABIES CONTROL, THEIR STANDARDS FOR ANIMAL RELATED ATTACKS, ANIMAL RELATED ISSUES.

THERE ARE, OF COURSE, PENAL CODE VIOLATIONS FOR MISTREATMENT OF ANIMALS THAT IN SOME CITIES ARE SIMPLY ENFORCED BY PD.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE STOP PROVIDING THE ANIMAL CONTROL SERVICES AT THE LEVEL THAT WE DO, BUT THE SPECIFIC LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES ARE NOT IN STATE LAW, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN TO DO.

SO AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE MOVE INTO FUTURE OPTIONS, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A WHOLE DISCUSSION IN ITSELF.

THAT IS THE FULL OVERVIEW. AND WE WANT TO WE WANT TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS OR TAKE ANY FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL.

ONCE WE DO THAT, WE'LL, THEN WE'LL DO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT FOUR SLIDES OF, OF FUTURE OPTIONS AND, AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. ALL RIGHT. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AND HOLD IT TO THE END.

ANYBODY ELSE? MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS. OKAY. THANK YOU.

FOR YEARS NOW, I'VE BEEN DOING OR NOT FOR YEARS, BUT JUST FOR A WHILE NOW, I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON, ON ALL THIS RIGHT HERE. AND SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME OF MY THOUGHTS.

[02:15:01]

I'M ADDRESSING THIS TO EVERYBODY, INCLUDING COUNCIL.

SO AT A GLANCE, WE AS COUNCIL MUST LOOK AT THE REAL WORLD COST DRIVERS FOR A SHELTER IF WE GO FORWARD.

RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE SAYS ANIMAL SHELTERS, STAFFING, MEDICAL CARE AND STANDALONE FACILITIES.

COSTS ARE THE DRIVING FORCE TO A MAJOR CITIES OVERALL BUDGET.

WHAT DOESN'T HELP IS AT TIMES, NEGLECT OF THESE ANIMALS IS FROM ITS OWNERS.

LACK OF EDUCATION FOR ANIMAL CARE, AN INCREASE IN POPULATION, DAILY ECONOMIC ECONOMICS AND HOUSEHOLDS AND RENTALS WITH STRICT ANIMAL HOUSING RULES PLAY A BIGGER ROLE. THIS IS JUST NOT AN ISSUE FOR KYLE.

THIS IS NOT A CITY OF KYLE ISSUE. THIS IS ALSO A COUNTY ISSUE.

THIS IS ALSO HAYS COUNTY ISSUE AS WELL AS BUDA AND SO FORTH, STATEWIDE AND NATIONAL CRISIS.

EVERYONE IS FACING WHEN IT COMES TO ANIMAL WELFARE.

WE IN THE CITY AND KYLE IS NOT ALONE. SO GOING FORWARD, IF.

WHEN CHOOSING OR CONSIDERING A FACILITY ONCE, WE MUST FACTOR IN COST FROM A DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY AND YEARLY BASIS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, SOME IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE TO PAY.

SO HERE ARE SOME JUST SMALL EXAMPLES. THE FACILITY RENT, THE MORTGAGE, STAFFING FEES, VETERINARIANS AND KENNEL STAFF FOR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. INTAKE VOLUMES, THE COST FOR MEDICAL CARE, VACCINES, EXAMS, SPAY AND NEUTER PROCEDURES, DUMPSTER AND ANIMAL WASTE SERVICES ON A DAILY BASIS.

HAZARDOUS WASTE HANDLING. DOG FOOD. CAT FOOD SUPPLIES.

DOGS AND CATS AND LIVESTOCK, AND WILD WILDLIFE THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL MEDICAL AND DIET CARE.

THOSE HAVE COSTS AS WELL OPERATIONAL OVERHEAD UTILITIES, ELECTRICAL ELECTRICITY, WATER USAGE.

INSURANCE AND ADMINISTRATION. WEEKLY. MONTHLY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.

KENNEL REPAIRS. LOCKS. CAGES. BEDDING. FENCING.

24 HOUR HVHH VAC LICENSING AND STATE PERMITS FROM STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

COSTS OF SPECIAL EVENTS, MARKETING AND DONATION DRIVES.

UNPLANNED MEDICAL AND REPAIR COSTS. ALSO, WE NEED TO CONSIDER BUILDING SECURITY COSTS AND SURVEILLANCE ADDED TO THE OVERALL MONTHLY AND YEARLY BUDGETS. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SMALL EXAMPLES.

BUT IF WE AS A CITY IS TO JOIN FORCES WITH OTHER ENTITIES, WE MUST FIRST.

YES, CHOOSING A LOCATION SITE IS IMPORTANT, BUT NOT AS IMPORTANT AS IDENTIFYING AS WHAT MISS SHERRY SAID EARLIER.

WHAT IS THE OVERALL MISSION OF THIS PROJECT? AND IF WE COLLABORATE WITH THOSE, WHETHER HAYS COUNTY OR ANY OTHER CITY OR ANY OTHER NON-PROFITS, WHAT IS THIS MISSION STATEMENT? OUR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING MOST IMPORTANT, OUR TAXPAYERS, WILL NEED TO UNDERSTAND.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A REAL TIME COMMITMENT. AND I AGREE, WE MUST HAVE SHORT AND LONG TERM GOALS TO INCLUDE SHARED FUNDING POLICIES AND ALSO ADOPTION POLICIES. BUT FOR US RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER IS THE FUNDING.

FUNDING IS THE KEY. BUT HOW TO SUSTAIN THE FUNDING YEARLY IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER ON THAT IN.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PURPOSE AND THE MISSION OVERALL. BUT I THINK IT FOR ME RIGHT NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE THE BUDGET, THE COST.

IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO EITHER GO STAND ALONE OR CONTINUE WITH THIS.

IOLA. THE BIG QUESTIONS ARE, IS THERE'S ALREADY A BREAKDOWN OF PERCENTAGES FROM THE COUNTY AND THEN US AND THEN VIDA. BUT WHAT ARE THOSE PERCENTAGES REALLY? WHAT ARE THEY? IS IT $10 MILLION FOR THE FACILITY? HOW MUCH IS GOING TO EACH ONE OF US IS GOING TO PAY.

ALSO AT THE VERY END OF THE ILA, IT DOES STATE THAT THEY CAN TERMINATE AT ANY TIME.

RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY BUDDHA SAYS, HEY, I'M OUT.

THEN WHO PAYS UP THEIR PORTION, OR IF HAYS COUNTY EVENTUALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WANT OUR OWN FACILITY NOW, THEN WHO'S STUCK WITH THE BILL WITH THE 100% ON THAT END? SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WITH WHERE WE'RE AT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST FACTOR OF IT ALL.

IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE IF THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE ON THE ENTIRE I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE BURDEN OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S OTHER ANIMALS THAT WOULD COME IN FROM OTHER AREAS.

WE HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ON THAT END.

SO JUST THE FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. ALL RIGHT.

[02:20:03]

COUNCILMEMBER GOSA. MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS MAKES SOME EXCELLENT POINTS.

THEY MIRROR A LOT OF MY OWN DOING CAT RESCUE.

WE INTERACT WITH A LOT OF MUNICIPAL RESCUES SHELTERS.

THERE IS A DEFINITE LACK OF FUNDING FOR THESE MUNICIPALLY OWNED RESCUES AND SHELTERS.

WE SEE SO MANY SICK ANIMALS. I HAVE HAD KITTENS THAT HAVE COME TO ME ONE DAY, AND THEN I FIND OUT THAT THEY EUTHANIZED THEIR ENTIRE KITTEN ROOM THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE OF AN UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTION THAT A KITTEN BROUGHT IN.

IT IS JUST THE REALITY OF THIS. AND SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO LOOK FOR A PARTNERSHIP WITH SOMEBODY LIKE AUSTIN PETS ALIVE TO PARTNER WITH US ON THIS RATHER THAN IT BEING A SPECIFICALLY CITY RUN PROJECT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN REALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

LIKE WE COULD DO A GROUND UP BUILDING ON SOME OTHER PIECE OF LAND.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO IN THIS PARK LAND, BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO GET THAT PROGRAM TOGETHER.

I WAS SO EXCITED FOR WHAT THE COUNTY WAS DOING.

WHEN THEY HAD THAT PARTNERSHIP, IT WAS BID OUT AND THEY WERE ONE OF THE, THE TWO CONTRACTORS WHO APPLIED TO IT AND WERE QUALIFIED.

SO THAT'S WHERE MY FOCUS WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A DIFFERENT REACH.

THEY'VE GOT NETWORKS THAT THEY CAN SEND THESE ANIMALS INTO THAT MUNICIPAL SHELTER WOULDN'T NORMALLY HAVE, AND IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD ALL THAT. SO EVEN IF WE HAVE THIS LARGE FACILITY WITHOUT ALL THOSE NETWORKS IN PLACE, WE MAY STILL HAVE AN ANIMAL PROBLEM THERE. AND THE LONGER YOU KNOW, YOUR ANIMALS ARE STAYING IN THE SHELTER, THEY BECOME ANXIOUS AND IT CHANGES THEIR BEHAVIORAL PATTERNS.

SO YOU DON'T WANT LONG TERM STAYS IN THERE. YOU ALSO NEED TO HAVE LIKE A BARN CAT PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE CATS THAT COME IN THAT CAN'T BE SOCIALIZED.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS. AND DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER IN HAVING A PARTNER THAT IS REALLY, REALLY EXPERIENCED AND HAS THE CONNECTIONS TO BE ABLE TO HELP US FULFILL THAT.

HELP US WITH FUNDRAISING AND TRY TO TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF OF THE TAXPAYERS FOR THE SHELTER.

ANYBODY ELSE CAN WAIT TILL THE END. OKAY. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD I JUST I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION FOR PREVIOUS COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR VOTES WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE.

I DO KIND OF QUESTION WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SHOWED UP SINCE THE VOTE WAS TAKEN.

THAT TELLS ME THAT MAYBE THERE WASN'T A REAL GOOD OUTREACH, ESPECIALLY TO THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT VICINITY, BECAUSE AS SOON AS THEY BECAME AWARE OF IT, THEY SHOWED UP TO EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.

AND SO I, I DO HEAR THAT IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

IT WAS AN EXECUTIVE, IT WAS AN OPEN SESSION. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY IN THAT AREA WAS EVER THINKING THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE ANYTHING BUT PARKLAND. SO THEY PROBABLY WEREN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE LOOKOUT.

I THINK NOTIFICATION TO THEIR HOMES. SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND SPEAK UP.

AND IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR ME BECAUSE WE ARE NOW THE ONES TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

AND I KNOW THE NEED FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER. I KNOW A NEED FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE DO IT RIGHT AND DOING IT WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL MEANS. AND SO WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK FOR ME IS NOT EVER GOING TO BE ON KYLE VISTA.

THEY PEOPLE WERE PROMISED. I JUST LOOKED IT UP AND I FOUND I FOUND THE ARTICLE THAT STATES HOW, HOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 2016 AND THE CROSSWINDS WEBSITE BACK IN 2017, WHICH IS STILL ALIVE, SHOWS THE NEW PARK COMING. ALSO THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN 2019 ABOUT COMMUNITY IMPACT.

AND SO FOR ME, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PARK LAND IS, IS, IS, IS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN ULTIMATELY.

AND I GUESS WE BELIEVE WHAT WE WANT TO BELIEVE ON WHATEVER ASPECT THAT IS, WHETHER YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UNFORTUNATELY. ME AND COUNCIL MEMBER GOZA AND TO AN EXTENT, MAYOR PRO TEM DID ENOUGH RESEARCH THAT WE WERE LIKE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.

WE OFTEN GET JUDGED FOR THAT, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE IT'S DULY NOTED AND WELL EARNED.

AND I THINK THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO KEEP WHATEVER PARK LAND THAT THEY WERE PROMISED.

[02:25:03]

SO I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE INTO THE OPTIONS NOW AND I WILL, I WILL SAY IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AND ALL OF THOSE DETAILS.

MAYOR PRO TEM THAT YOU OUTLINED AND THE PROGRAMING COUNCIL MEMBER GOSA VERY IMPORTANT AND A DEEP DIVE INTO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE OPERATIONS, THE COSTS. TONIGHT WE ARE GOING WAY HIGH LEVEL.

WE ARE GOING LOCATION AND FUTURE FUNDING OPTIONS BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, HOW WE PAY FOR IT AND WHERE IT GOES BEFORE WE GET INTO ANY PROGRAMING OR ANY OPERATIONS OR ANYTHING IN THE DEEP DIVE AREA, SQUARE FOOTAGE, VENTILATION, PLUMBING, ALL OF THAT IS SECONDARY.

IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING AND HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR IT, I THINK IT'S WELL SAID BY COUNCIL.

SO THESE FUTURE OPTIONS, WE WILL NOT DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THE ACTUAL ANIMAL SHELTER ITSELF.

THAT WOULD COME LATER. BUT THEY WILL OUTLINE TWO, FOUR BIG BUCKETS AND FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL.

AND ULTIMATELY, IF WE CAN GET A VOTE ON WHICH DIRECTION TO GO IN, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR STAFF MOVING FORWARD.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST OPTION BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HEARD IN THE HISTORY OF THIS, THIS PROJECT IS TO CONTINUE THIS TRIPARTY PARTNERSHIP.

THE ILA REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

THE HAYS COUNTY BUILDING AND THE PARK ARE NO LONGER ON THE TABLE AT THIS POINT.

AND IT'S ONLY FOR THAT ONE PLOT OF LAND, THE ONE SECTION OF LAND.

BUT IT WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THE PARTNERSHIP THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED, THE WAY THAT IT IS WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING.

THAT'S JUST OPTION ONE, JUST MOVING FORWARD, THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A FACILITY OF APPROXIMATELY 31,000FT², MOST LIKELY MORE BECAUSE OF THAT AREA THAT IT'S IN.

WE WOULD ONLY WANT TO BUILD A FACILITY AT, YOU KNOW, TOP, TOP TIER FACILITY.

YOU'RE TALKING 700 PLUS $100 PER SQUARE FOOT A CONSTRUCTION COST OF, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY AROUND 21.7 MILLION. THE SITE WOULD BE THAT ELEMENT, THAT ONE AREA OF CAL VISTA, APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF INTAKE THAT WOULD BE COMING IN FOR THAT FOR THAT AREA. THAT INCLUDES TAKING IN 70% OF THE COUNTY'S INTAKE.

SOME CHALLENGES WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE. I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO BE BLUNT.

INTERGOVERNMENTAL COOPERATION, CAPITAL AND OPERATIONS IS IS VERY DIFFICULT.

MAYOR PRO TEM, I REMEMBER ALL THE MEETINGS WE HAD AND ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD ON IT.

ONE TIME YOU OUTLINED, IT IS HARD TO WORK WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES, NO MATTER HOW GOING INTO IT.

EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. WE'RE ALL GOING TO PLAY NICE.

WE'RE ALL GOING. I REMEMBER THE WHOLE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT COUNCIL. IT IS DIFFICULT AND IT IS DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH AT A CERTAIN POINT.

COUNCIL MEMBERS CHANGE OVER STAFF, CHANGES OVER AGREEMENTS AND HANDSHAKES THAT GET FORGOTTEN.

AND THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, CAN BE THERE CAN BE FIGHTING ON IT. SO THAT IS ONE ELEMENT OF OPTION ONE.

THAT IS A CHALLENGE. FUNDING IS ALSO A CHALLENGE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY. WE HAD, WE WOULD EITHER DO A CO BOND FOR OUR PORTION OF THE PERCENTAGE OF THE COST AND THE THE OPERATION OR A GEO, WHICH WOULD BE GO OUT FOR VOTER APPROVAL. I HAVE 2728 BUT I TALKED TO INTERIM CITY MANAGER PERVEZ TODAY.

IT WOULD BE AS EARLY AS 28 THAT WE WOULD GO OUT FOR THE THE GEO BOND FOR THAT.

SO IF WE WERE DOING GEO, IT WOULD BE EARLY AS 2028, BUT CO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOONER.

AND THEN THAT AREA IS A LARGE INTAKE, IT IS A CHAT TO COUNCIL MEMBER GOES POINT ONE BIG CHALLENGE WITH THIS AGREEMENT IS THAT IS A TREMENDOUS INTAKE, NOT JUST THE ANIMALS WITHIN KYLE, BUT THAT LARGE AREA, THE 70% OF THE COUNTY.

AND THAT MEANS THE BUILDING HAS TO BE BIGGER AND THE OPERATION HAS TO BE BIGGER.

SO THAT'S OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO IS TO CONTINUE THE TRI PARTY JUST LIKE OPTION ONE CONTINUE BASED ON THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE, THE ILA THAT WE HAVE, BUT NOT AT CAL VISTA PROPERTY, THE CITY WOULD GO OUT AND FIND ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT FITS THE REQUIRED 6 TO 7 ACRES THAT WE COULD CONSTRUCT THE 31,000 PLUS SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT WE WOULD ALSO GO OUT AND GET THE FUNDING THE SAME WAY EITHER CO OR GEO, BUT WE WOULD FIND ANOTHER AREA IN THE CITY. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT IS THE EVALUATION OF THE SITE ITSELF.

IF WE DON'T OWN THE SITE, WE HAVE TO BUY THE SITE.

SO NOW THE COST GOES UP. WE DID LOOK AT A FEW AREAS.

WE HAD A WHOLE MEETING OF LARGE EXECUTIVE MEETING WHERE WE HAD OUR OUR MASTER GIS TECH PULL UP EVERY SINGLE OPEN PORTION OF LAND THAT THE CITY OWNS. AND WE SAID WE NEED 6 TO 7 ACRES. WHAT IS THAT? WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? ONE PLACE WE DID FIND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST STAFF DOING SOME RESEARCH IS ON THE, THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SPORTSPLEX AREA. SO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT THROUGH 1626.

YOU HAVE PHASE ONE OF THE, OF THE FIELDS THAT ARE GOING IN ON THE, ON THAT WESTERN SIDE.

BUT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OVER WHERE SOVEREIGN FLAVORS IS, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE JUST A LITTLE SOUTH OF THERE,

[02:30:02]

THERE'S A BIG INDUSTRIAL AREA WITH LAND, I THINK IN THE PHASE.

MY GOODNESS, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. EIGHT OR 9 OR 10 OF THE SPORTSPLEX PLAN.

THERE WERE IT'S THAT AREA IS IS FLOODWAY. SEVEN.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MCKINNEY. THAT AREA IS FLOOD WAY, BUT THERE'S A NORTHERN PORTION OF THAT AREA THAT CAN BE BUILT ON.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND IT WOULD BE OPEN.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT GOES BY THERE.

AND THE, THE AREA OFF OF 1626 IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO.

IT'S JUST A LARGE PIECE OF LAND THAT WE OWN. THAT'S WHAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS WE LOOKED AT, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT OTHER PIECES OF LAND THAT WE OWN OR OTHER PIECES OF LAND THAT WE COULD PURCHASE THAT. OPTION TWO IS CONTINUE FORWARD ON A DIFFERENT PIECE OF LAND.

YES. THAT'S DIFFERENT INFORMATION FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD FROM MY TIME ON THE, THE TASK FORCE WAS THAT WE COULDN'T BUILD ANYTHING VERTICAL ALONG THAT WHOLE SIDE BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS BECAUSE OF FLOODING ISSUES.

THE MAJORITY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT AREA IS IN THE FLOODWAY OR THE FLOOD PLAIN.

BUT THERE IS A PORTION, I THINK IT WAS PROPOSED.

WE WOULD PUT LIKE LITTLE A CONCESSION STANDS AND STUFF AROUND FIELDS THAT WERE THERE.

THAT IS, THAT IS BUILDABLE, BUT IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT STAFF WAS SPITBALLING AT THE TIME.

WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO EVALUATE THE SITE, THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE SITE, THE REVIEW OF THE SITE ITSELF, IF THERE WAS ANY DIRT WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING, BUT IT WAS JUST A PIECE OF LAND REALLY. OPTION TWO IS CONTINUE THE WAY WITH THE TRIPARTITE AGREEMENT ON A DIFFERENT SITE. THAT'S REALLY WHAT OPTION TWO IS. WE JUST HAD A SITE THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT AND FIGURED WE WOULD MENTION IT. OPTION THREE IS THIS IS THE THIS IS A BIG DEPARTURE FROM OPTION ONE AND TWO. OPTION THREE IS THAT THE CITY GOES FORWARD WITH A STANDALONE FACILITY.

SO JUST THAT INITIAL FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE STARTED WITH JUST THE CITY OF KYLE'S NEEDS ITSELF.

AND IT, AND AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE WERE DOING THAT, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING WOULD DECREASE DRAMATICALLY BECAUSE WE AREN'T TAKING THAT LARGE INTAKE IN. DEPENDING ON WHERE WE PUT IT, THE SITE COULD BE EVALUATED BECAUSE NOW WE DON'T NEED 6 TO 7 ACRES BECAUSE OF THE SIZE WE COULD, IT COULD BE ON A SMALLER TRACT OF LAND. WHICH OPENS UP MORE LAND THAT WE COULD LOOK AT DEPENDING ON WHERE IT GOES.

IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE 700 PLUS PER SQUARE FOOT.

IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, BUILT MUCH CHEAPER BECAUSE THAT 700 PLUS PER SQUARE FOOT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE DROPPING IT IN A VERY HIGHLY VISIBLE AREA.

RIGHT? SO WE COULD STILL GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF OPERATIONS OUT OF IT AND TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS THE SAME, BUT THE ACTUAL ESTHETIC OF THE BUILDING WOULDN'T NEED TO BE SO HIGH END BECAUSE IT'S DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, IT WOULDN'T BE SO HIGHLY VISIBLE. WE COULD, THERE ARE OPTIONS OF A POSSIBLE RETROFIT OR RENOVATION OF OTHER FACILITIES.

SO WITH A SMALLER FACILITY, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAYBE PURCHASE A FACILITY AND RENOVATE A RETROFIT.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S JUST THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED HEAVILY INTO THIS. THE FUNDING, THE CHALLENGES WOULD BE WE STILL NEED TO FUND IT WITH A SMALLER BUILDING AND LESS COST FOR THE BUILDING, THE PRICE WOULD OBVIOUSLY GO DOWN, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT COS OR GEOS IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH THE LARGER BUILDING. YES, SIR. IS THIS AREA THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER PART OF TOURIST TWO? IS THAT PART OF THE TOURIST? I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS.

I BELIEVE IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THAT SITE BEING THAT IT'S A TOURIST.

TWO WHEN IT COMES TO A FACILITY TO RETROFIT OR ANY FUTURE MODIFICATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD FIT IN THAT, THAT IF WE WERE TO GO WITH A SITE RIGHT THERE, IT WOULD ACTUALLY FIT IN THAT TOURIST.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP, WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE ALL THAT.

WE MAY HAVE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE ON THE ACTUAL SITE. REALLY WHAT THAT WAS.

I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M JUST IT JUST IT JUST WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL OF THAT RESEARCH.

MAYOR PRO TEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE TO, TO COUNCILMEMBER MCKINNEY'S POINT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BUILDABLE FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THE SITE EVALUATION THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE COMMITTEES WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET IT TO GET IT APPROVED.

BUT THAT WAS JUST A SITE THAT WE LOOKED AT AND THOUGHT, HEY, WE OWN IT.

WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT. IT'S REALLY OPTION THREE IS TAKE CARE OF THE CITY'S NEED ALONE.

NOT THE ILA, NOT THE AND AND PUT IT THAT ALLOWS US TO PUT IT IN SOME OTHER SPOT WITHIN THE CITY.

I MEAN, I'M JUST JUST I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD.

I KNOW, I KNOW GEO BOND TERSE AREA. YOU KNOW, THE FACILITY ITSELF.

IF WE WERE TO DECIDE IF WE WERE NOT TO GO WITH COUNTY OR WE DID GO WITH COUNTY BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE TOURS, THEY ARE ON THE BOARD AND IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE BORDER OF BUDA.

SO I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S GOOD. SO THE THIRD. THE FOURTH OPTION IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER GOSA OUTLINED IN HER FEEDBACK JUST NOW.

[02:35:01]

IT IS. WE DO NOT CONSTRUCT A FACILITY. WE DO NOT BUILD OUR OWN OPERATION.

WE. WE FIND AND PARTNER WITH OTHER AGENTS, OUTSIDE AGENCIES, OTHER AGENCIES.

IF HAYS COUNTY DEVELOPS, BUYS, RETROFITS A BUILDING, GOES, BUILDS THEIR OWN BUILDING.

WE WOULD PARTNER WITH THEM AND UTILIZE THEM. IT WOULD BE WE ARE GOING TO KEEP OUR ANIMAL SHELTER OPERATION, I MEAN OUR ANIMAL SERVICES OPERATIONS GOING, BUT WE WOULD FIND PARTNERSHIPS THAT WORK AND THAT ARE THAT ARE THAT HELP US, BUT WE DO NOT CONSTRUCT OUR OWN BUILDING AND RUN OUR OWN OPERATION.

SOME LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE ON HERE. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY, BUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT IS FINDING A NEGOTIATION WITH THOSE NEGOTIATING WITH THOSE OUTSIDE PARTNERS. MAYOR PRO TEM, TO YOUR EXACT POINT, OUR MISSION AS A CITY MIGHT NOT ALIGN WITH THEIR MISSION.

AND SO THAT COULD BE DIFFICULT. ONCE YOU PARTNER WITH AN AGENCY LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER THE OPERATIONS, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. WE MIGHT BE OKAY WITH THAT.

THEY MIGHT HAVE GREAT OPERATIONS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, BUT WE IT WOULD BE THEIRS.

IT WOULDN'T BE OURS. WE WOULD JUST BE A PARTNER WITH THEM AND THEY CAN CHANGE UNEXPECTEDLY.

IF YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH SOMEONE, THEY CAN DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO ANYMORE, OR THEY CAN DECIDE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SHUT THEIR DOORS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER, BUT IT WOULD WE WOULD NOT BE BUILDING A FACILITY.

WE'D BE CONTRACTING WITH EITHER NONPROFITS PARTNERS OR ANOTHER ENTITY THAT COULD THAT WE COULD PARTNER WITH.

SO AGAIN. JESSE. YES. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE COST OF THE FACILITY, THE 21.7 MILLION FOR THE FACILITY WITH ALL THREE OF THE ENTITIES TOGETHER OUR PORTION OF THAT'S 38%.

AND 33. 32.7 32.7%. AND IF WE GO ON OUR OWN, IT'S 8 MILLION. SO THE DIFFERENCE ON THAT IS HOW MUCH.

I KNOW WE MIGHT HAVE TO ASK ANDY TO DO SOME MATH AGAIN. SIX SIX ONE HALF DOZEN THE OTHER.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A BIG SAVINGS TO US TO GO WITH THE SMALLER FACILITY.

IF THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS WE WOULD HAVE TO THE SMALLER FACILITY.

IF WE WE DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY DEEP RESEARCH INTO WHAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THE PER SQUARE FOOT DOWN TO.

THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED BEFORE, JUST FOR THE RECORD.

YEAH. AND, AND ALSO ON THE LOCATIONS, THE CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE HAD SUGGESTED ORIGINALLY, WE'D HAD THEM LOOK AT LOCATIONS. THEY ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED FIVE LOCATIONS, WHICH WE NARROWED TO THREE.

I DON'T, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE INCLUDED IN THE EVALUATION OF LOCATION.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY. WE STILL HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FROM THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. THE VISTA WAS THE ONE THAT WE CHOSE AS THE BEST OPTION.

BUT THAT LEFT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHERS THAT WERE POTENTIAL.

TRUE. AND I DON'T THINK THE ONE IN OVER BY LA VERDE WAS PART OF THAT AT ALL.

I THINK THE, THE TRACT ITSELF WAS, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY THE ONE WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW.

THE WHOLE TRACT, I THINK, WAS ONE THAT WAS EVALUATED. OKAY. THANKS.

SO. OPEN TO FULL DISCUSSION ON OPTIONS. BUT I'LL JUST RECAP VERY QUICKLY.

CONTINUE AS IS ON THE SITE AT CAL VISTA. CONTINUE AS IS THE ISLA AS IS ON A DIFFERENT SITE.

GO STAND ALONE. A FACILITY WITH JUST CITY OF KYLE AND OR MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A FACILITY AND AND AGGRESSIVELY LOOK AT PARTNERSHIPS WITH AGENCIES OR NONPROFITS. ALL RIGHT. FEEDBACK.

COUNCIL MEMBER. GOSA. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COLLECT MONEY FROM THE COUNTY, THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN A GOOD PARTNER WITH THE CURRENT ANIMAL SHELTER, THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. AND WE HAD A FORMER HAYS COUNTY JUDGE THAT CAME HERE AND SAID THE SAME THING TONIGHT.

SO THAT JUST IT GIVES ME A LOT OF PAUSE FOR CONCERN BECAUSE IF WE GO WITH THEM, ARE WE GOING TO GET OUR MONEY OR ARE WE GOING TO BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG? IT'S IT'S A BIG RISK IF THERE'S A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF NOT PAYING.

SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED REALLY OVER AND ABOVE BECAUSE EVEN IF WE'RE PAYING LESS, IF WE'RE LEFT HOLDING THAT ENTIRE BAG. WE'RE NOT DOING OUR TAXPAYERS ANY FAVORS AT ALL.

SO THAT'S ONE OF MY HUGE CONCERNS. I WOULD LOVE TO PERSONALLY JUST KIND OF DO WHAT HAYS COUNTY ORIGINALLY DID AND PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND

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SEE YOU KNOW, HAVE A PLAN IN MIND OF THE SERVICES THAT WE WANT.

WHO CAN ADHERE TO THESE SERVICES? I'D LOVE TO MIMIC EXACTLY WHAT HAYS COUNTY SPENT ALL THAT MONEY FOR ON THEIR FEASIBILITY STUDY, TO GET A SERVICE HERE THAT DOES LIKE THE FOOD PANTRY FOR THE PETS.

THE PET RESOURCE CENTER TO REALLY WORK ON SHELTER DIVERSION AND KEEP OUR ANIMALS OUT OF THE SHELTER WHEN POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, PARTNER FOR THOSE SPAY NEUTER PROGRAMS. MAYBE GET SOME LOW COST DENTALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE CARING FOR THEIR ANIMALS A BIGGER REALITY.

I KNOW THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. I DO THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE BEFORE WE DECIDE LIKE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT OUT ON THE BALLOT OR IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A CO BOND.

THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND IN THE CITY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLING FOR A SHELTER.

SO I THINK IT WOULD PASS VERY WELL ON A BOND ON AN ELECTION.

SO THAT'S NOT A HUGE CONCERN. BUT KEEPING THOSE COSTS MINIMAL IS A BIG CONCERN.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY GIVES YOU A WHOLE LOT OF FEEDBACK, BUT THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO GO. OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING THAT OUR COUNTY TREASURER ISN'T PAYING BILLS.

I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME MORE ABOUT THAT SOMETIME. I'M CERTAINLY NOT MARRIED TO THE CAL VISTA SITE.

LOGISTICALLY, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE HEAT MAP THE MAJORITY OF THE ANIMALS WERE COMING FROM THAT NORTHEAST QUADRANT THAT KIND OF LIKE YULIN NIEDERWALD KIND OF BETWEEN THEM AND BUDA AREA.

AND SO LOGISTICALLY, THE NORTHEAST PART OF, OF KYLE MADE SENSE FOR HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN GET THAT ANIMALS BACK AND FORTH TO AND FROM.

WE HAD SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA, SO IT WOULD HAVE THE MINIMAL IMPACT ON ON TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE WERE THERE WERE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WE WE DID CONSIDER WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT PARTICULAR PARTICULAR SPACE.

OPEN TO CONSIDERING OTHER SPOTS. I DON'T WANT TO TRADE ONE PARKLAND FOR ANOTHER PARKLAND.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WHAT ARE WE DOING? BUT THEN AGAIN, AT THAT POINT, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT PURCHASING MORE LAND AND THEN WE'RE SINKING MORE AND MORE AND MORE INTO THIS? I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE NEED IS THERE.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE THAT NEED.

I'VE SAID SINCE DAY ONE, I WISH THIS NEED DIDN'T EXIST, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.

I FEEL LIKE PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY IN BUDA IS THE BEST AND MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO GO ABOUT PROVIDING THAT SERVICE, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING HOW MANY WOULD BE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF KYLE.

IF WE JUST DID OUR OWN THING, THOSE ANIMALS WOULD STILL COME TO OUR FACILITY.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO GEO FENCING THAT WE CAN PUT AROUND SAYING, NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT OUR ANIMAL.

WE WOULD END UP HAVING TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE SERVICES THIS WAY, AT LEAST WE GET THE FUNDING FROM THOSE THOSE REGIONS THAT THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING SOME SOME OPTIONS FOR THE SITES.

AGAIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY AND KIND OF MOVE ON FROM THERE.

HAS BUDA THOUGHT ABOUT BUILDING ONE FOR THEMSELVES AS WELL AS ANY OF THEM STEPPED UP TO SAY, HEY, WE'LL PUT IT IN OUR CITY. I'VE DONE THIS.

I'VE DONE THIS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR BUDA. YEAH, I KNOW EVERYBODY SAYS BUTE IS BETTER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING. YOU KNOW. I'M ALL FOR FOR GETTING THIS UP AND RUNNING. IT'S IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

IF EVENTUALLY WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE GOING WITH THE GEO BOND VERSUS CO BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON THE VOTERS.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY PUTTING IT ON THEM SAYING, IF THIS IS A NEED THAT'S NEEDED IN OUR CITY.

AND IF THE DEMAND IS THERE, THEN THEN THEY HAVE THE FINAL SAY, IF YOU KNOW, IF IT MEANS THAT THE TAXES GO UP A LITTLE OR HOWEVER, HOPEFULLY BY THEN WE'LL BE IN A BETTER FINANCIAL SPOT.

BUT IF IT COMES DOWN TO FUNDING OUR PORTION, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE GOING WITH, WITH THE GEO BOND PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR THE VOTERS TO TO VOTE ON, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A LARGE FACILITY.

AND THEN YOU CAN GO FROM THERE. THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

I AGREE COMPLETELY. THE THE GEO BONDS ARE THE WAY TO GO.

I THINK REALISTICALLY WE'D BE LOOKING AT NEXT NOVEMBER, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY GET THE BALL ROLLING AS FAR AS HAVING CONCRETE ENOUGH PLANS TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING TANGIBLE ON THE BALLOT SO THE VOTERS CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND AND ARTICULATE WHENEVER IT'S TIME TO VOTE.

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I AGREE WITH YOU. AND THAT INCLUDES THE MISSION STATEMENT THAT INCLUDES ANY PARTNERSHIPS, THAT INCLUDES ANY KIND OF FEASIBLE COST. THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE PLANS ITSELF. BY THEN, WE SHOULD HAVE A LOCATION DESIGN READY TO GO AGAIN BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE'S MANY OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE.

AND FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, THE CITY OR ONE OF THEM.

THEY'D SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE CAN PARTNER WITH YOU GUYS AND WE CAN PUT IT ON THE BORDERLINE OF, OF, OF OUR DISTRICT. AND I THINK BY THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE A MARKETING PROGRAM ON IT.

AND WE CAN BE ABLE TO ALSO DEVELOP POLICIES PROCEDURES BECAUSE ONCE IT GETS GOING, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE ON THE BALLOT SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AS FAR AS WHY THIS IS WHY WE'RE GOING TO YOU FOR A BOND FOR THE COSTS.

THIS IS A NEED FOR OUR ANIMALS. HERE'S THE PLAN.

HERE'S THE PROGRAM, HERE'S WHO WE'RE PARTNERING.

OR IF WE DECIDE TO GO SOLO, IT GIVES IT A WHOLE OUTLINE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO SEE.

THIS IS A NEED THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE ALSO PUT IT ON THEM JUST TO HELP US FUND THIS, THIS, THIS ENTITY HERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. SO IF WE GO WITH A GEO BOND.

WERE YOU SAYING, PERVEZ, THAT WE WOULD. 28 WAS REALLY THE EARLIEST.

AND I'M HEARING YOU GUYS SAY THIS. NOVEMBER 27TH.

YES. WOULD 28 BE THE EARLIEST OR COULD WE DO IT? 27 AND IF THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION, YES, WE CAN DO NOVEMBER OF.

27 BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON A HIGH SPEED TRACK.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BOND COMMITTEE ALREADY SCHEDULED AND SET UP, START TALKING ABOUT IT.

WE NEED TO KNOW THE LOCATION. WE NEED TO KNOW ARE WE DOING IT ALONE? ARE WE DOING IT JOINTLY? SO ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.

PLUS, WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 30% OF DESIGN DONE TO GET A GOOD SOLID COST ESTIMATE TO LET THE VOTERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE VOTING ON SO WE CAN DO A TAX IMPACT ANALYSIS.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. IF WE DID GO OUT TO BOND, IS OUR BOND RATING DEPENDENT ON OUR RESERVE.

IT IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THEY LOOK AT. YES. SO AND WE'VE KIND OF HAD THIS CONVERSATION, BUT MY CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT WE REPLENISH THE RESERVE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. SO OUR BONDS, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO BOND OUT FOR A FEW THINGS, EVEN IF IT'S BONDS, DO NOT COME BACK AT HIGH INTEREST RATE, WHICH IS ONLY GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE RESIDENTS.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY JUST FOR COUNCIL. OKAY.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. OKAY. TWO QUESTIONS.

SO THE OTHER QUESTION IS SAN MARCOS SHELTER HAS PUT US ON NOTICE THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.

ARE THEY GOING TO BE PATIENT WITH US FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS OR SO BEFORE WE GET THIS WRAPPED UP? I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR SAN MARCOS. HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY WE WOULD NEED TO MEET WITH THEM AND, AND LET THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HAVE FULL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND TO TAKE OUR ANIMALS OVER TO SAN MARCOS? I KNEW THAT ONE. I WILL ASK BRIANNA TO COME UP AND HELP WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. BRIANNA. BRIANNA IS ANIMAL CONTROL SUPERVISOR FOR THE RECORD.

WE ARE AROUND 399,000 THIS YEAR, AND THE NEXT ISLA IS GOING UP TO LIKE ALMOST LIKE FOUR 70,000 SOMEWHERE IN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS BESIDES THE BOND AND THE BOND.

AND I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF A GEO BOND BECAUSE I LIKE GIVING THAT KIND OF AUTHORITY TO THE RESIDENTS.

ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS THE TIMELINE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO TALK TO SAN MARCOS AND SAY, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR PLAN AND IT'S SOLID AND THEY CAN TRUST US.

I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY DID HAVE ON THE AGENDA THE PURCHASE OF THE PAWS BUILDING.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO OBTAIN AN APPRAISAL.

AND SO THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT OUR CITY TO BE HELD HOLDING THE BAG.

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WE HAVE, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WHEN WE, THIS COUNTY AND THE CITY HAD THE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE DISPATCH.

IT WAS LIKE A REALLY BAD BREAKUP. AND IT WAS LIKE, IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S ME.

AND IT MADE THINGS REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE. AND SO I, ALTHOUGH I WOULD SUPPORT, I AM HESITANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE ANY TIME YOU GO INTO AN AGREEMENT, YOU SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT YOUR EXIT STRATEGY.

AND LIKE IN THE EVENT SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK OUT, HOW DO WE LEAVE THAT SITUATION? SO IF WE DO PARTNER WITH THEM, I THINK IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO ALSO BUILD INTO THEIR WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF WE LEAVE, NOT JUST LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE AND THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR PART OF THE BOND. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OR THEIR PART OF THE BUILDING.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, IT SHOULD BE AT LEAST A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

I WISH WE WOULD HAVE TALKED TO BUDDHA. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY STAND AND HOW DEPENDENT THEY ARE ON US.

BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO HAVE TO ASK SAN MARCOS.

IS THAT CORRECT FOR AN EXTENSION AS WELL. DO WE KNOW IF BUDDHA GOES USES SAN MARCUS.

THEY DO USE THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS WITH SAN MARCOS.

OKAY. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, SINCE WE WERE TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS, WHEN WE MAKE A MOVE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY IN BUDA.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THEM TO THE TABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS? IF WE DECIDE THAT WE JUST DECIDE TO GO ON OUR OWN? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE STAFFING OF THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE COST WISE.

BECAUSE MAYOR PRO TEM IS RIGHT, THERE IS A LOT OF COSTS THAT ARE ENTAILED TO THIS.

WE ARE ALREADY TRYING TO MAKE UP A DEFICIT. AND SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE IT UP IN THE, THIS IS GOING TO BE THREE YEARS. WE WERE IN DEFICIT LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WILL BE THREE YEARS.

AND SO I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO ELONGATE THAT ANY LONGER THAN WE NEED TO.

SO IF WE CAN GET IF YOU GUYS CAN BRING BACK HOPEFULLY SOME INFORMATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE OPTIONS AND HAVE US TELL THEM, LIKE FOR ME, OPTION ONE IS NOT AN OPTION.

CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE DECIDE LIKE AT LEAST HOW WE WANT THIS TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE.

LIKE IN THE END. DO WE WANT A PARTNER? DO WE WANT TO DO IT ON OUR OWN? FOR ME, I'M NOT DOING IT ON CAL VISTA. IF OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO, THAT THEY'RE FREE TO VOTE HOW THEY WANT.

BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE MAYOR. THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DEEP DIVE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING MENTIONED, WE HAVE WE HAVE OPERATION NUMBERS, WE HAVE SIZE OF BUILDING.

WE HAVE. BUT THE ALL OF THAT MEANS NOTHING WITHOUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

SO WE WOULD LOVE FOR COUNCIL TO GIVE US THAT DIRECTION.

AND THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING AN ITEM BACK TO GET INTO THE DEEP DIVE OF THE NUMBERS.

OKAY, SO THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS OR FOUR, TWO, ONE, ONE TWO, 1ILA THE WAY IT STANDS ILA ON A DIFFERENT SITE CITY ALONE ON ANY SITE AND NO BUILDING PARTNERSHIPS.

SO FOR OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE OPTION ONE SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE OPTION ONE AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PRO TEM TOBIAS.

IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR.

I'M WILLING TO DIE ON. YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS BACK TO TALK ABOUT IT, TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS, TO REASSURE THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MATTER.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE DO MAKE DECISIONS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE FULL INFORMATION.

AND I ALWAYS TRUST THAT IF OUR COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT INFORMATION, THEN WE WILL MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES.

AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THEM BEING WILLING TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DIE ON THAT HILL.

AND SO WITH THAT SAID, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES, 5 TO 1. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD.

NOW THAT'S 5 TO 0. 5 TO 0. SORRY. I'M SORRY. 5 TO 0.

NOW JUST THREE OPTIONS. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO THREE.

ALRIGHT. SO. SO DO WE WANT IT? SO WHEN YOU SAY TRI PARTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNTY AND BUDA.

THAT'S THE ILA. YES. SO ILA. NOW WE KNOW IT WOULD BE ON A SEPARATE SITE.

SO ILA CITY BUILDS A FACILITY ON THEIR OWN OR CITY PARK.

NO FACILITY AND PARTNERS WITH AGENCIES AND OR NONPROFITS.

YOU RAISE A GOOD QUESTION, MAYOR, BECAUSE IF THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT PURCHASING A FACILITY HERE IN KYLE FOR THE SAME REASON, HAS ANY OF THEM REACHED OUT TO US TO SAY, HEY, BY THE WAY, I KNOW WE HAVE AN ILA, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT PURCHASING A BUILDING IN YOUR CITY.

HAVE WE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS?

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AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE POINTING FINGERS ON WHO, BUT IN REGARDS TO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS, NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY. I HAVEN'T I DON'T I DON'T THINK ANYONE AT THIS TABLE HAS.

OKAY. AND I SAW THAT ITEM AS WELL. MAYOR IT WAS ON EXECUTIVE, SO THERE WAS NO OPEN DISCUSSION ON IT.

BUT THEY DID COME OUT AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE THAT THE MAYOR MENTIONED. SO I THINK THERE WAS AN ITEM, BUT IT JUST GAVE THE ADDRESS. SO BUT NOBODY'S REACHED OUT TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THIS IN EXECUTIVE, NOT TO STAFF TO MY KNOWLEDGE. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS A POSSIBLE OPTION FOR US WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP. AND THE, THE SIZE AND THE SPACE WERE JUST COMPLETELY TOO SMALL AND COST WHAT THEY WERE ASKING.

WELL, YEAH, THAT WAS US TRYING TO PARTNER WITH THEM.

THEY WERE. YEAH. MORE SPENDING MORE THAN WE WERE WILLING TO SPEND ON.

AND THE I THINK THAT AREA IS ONLY AN ACRE. SO HERE'S MY CONCERN IS THAT THE THEY MOVED FORWARD ON SOMETHING AND WE DON'T KNOW.

AND SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY HAD COME TO US AND SAID, THIS IS OUR PLAN, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO STILL PARTNER WITH YOU GUYS.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THIS IS THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU PARTNER AND THERE'S NOT CLEAR COMMUNICATION.

YEAH. AND SO IF WE'VE GONE THIS FAR, I MEAN, THEY, THEY SENT US THE CANCELLATION OF THE MOU DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO.

THEY CHANGED THE YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY FELT IT WAS BEST TO MOVE THE KYLE CAMPUS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THIS INFORMATION.

SO I DO KIND OF HESITATE ABOUT PARTNERING. I DON'T KNOW.

SO AS AN EXAMPLE, I WAS A SINGLE MOM AND I MADE ALL THE CHOICES.

I'M MARRIED AND I HAVE LIKE CHOICES WITH MY HUSBAND.

AND SO SOMETIMES THIS IS TOUGHER. IT'S EASIER JUST TO BE ON YOUR OWN AND BE LIKE, WELL, I CAN JUST MAKE THE DECISIONS AND I DON'T HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

SO BUT IT IS MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL FOR THE THREE OF US TO PARTNER ON THIS.

THEY MAY VERY WELL BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING TEMPORARY, REALIZING THAT WE HAVE KIND OF MORE OF A LONG TERM.

WELL, THEY MAY BE CONSIDERING THAT SPACE FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNRELATED. WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT IS, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW. LIKE IT'S FOR ME, COMMUNICATION, EVEN IF IT'S AWKWARD, COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.

AND THAT'S GOING TO START FROM THE BEGINNING.

YEAH. AND SO MY OTHER CONCERN IS BITING OFF MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW.

AND IF WE ARE IN CHARGE OF OVERSEEING THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE STAFFING AND THE NEEDS, I THINK LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER GOZA SAID, I MEAN, REGARDLESS IF IT'S FACTUAL THAT THEY, SOME PEOPLE ARE ENTITIES ARE NOT PAYING THEIR BILLS ON TIME.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY OF KYLE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AMOUNT.

SO WHETHER WE GET PAID OR NOT, IT IS NOW OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THE OTHER CONCERN, THOUGH, IS WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY SAID, WHICH IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO SAY THIS IS NOT FROM OUR CITY IF SOMEONE BRINGS IN AN ANIMAL, HOW DO WE MANAGE? HOW DO WE. HERE'S. HERE'S A LITTLE KITTEN THAT'S SHOWING UP AT YOUR DOORSTEP.

SORRY WE'RE NOT TAKING YOU. SO YEAH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW WE WOULD MITIGATE THAT.

I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T DRIVE. WE WOULDN'T HAVE STAFF GO OUT THERE AND PICK IT UP. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE ELIMINATION.

BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM DROPPING IT OFF.

THE SAN MARCUS SHELTER TURNS IT DOWN BASED ON DRIVER'S LICENSE ADDRESS.

OH. LOCATION IS USUALLY HOW IT'S MANAGED. HOWEVER, I'VE LEARNED THIS RECENTLY.

NOT ONLY DO PEOPLE FIB, BUT WHEN IN DIRE SITUATIONS, IF THEY'RE TURNED AWAY, MANY TIMES, THEY JUST DROP THE ANIMAL ON THE FRONT DOOR AND DRIVE OFF. SO AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO THE ANIMAL HAS A NEW ADDRESS, 222 COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY'S POINT OPERATING A SHELTER, YOU BECOME THE SHELTER FOR THE REGION OR THE AREA, AT LEAST IN MANY WAYS.

GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBERS. ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION ON THIS? FOR NUMBER TWO. I MEAN, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT.

NUMBER TWO, WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL THE PARTIES ARE STILL ON BOARD WITH IT.

AND THAT WE CAN GET A SATISFACTORY AGREEMENT AS WE CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE COSTING.

SECOND. OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER LAURA LEE HARRIS AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY.

IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ON THIS? COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS.

YEAH. ARE WE ARE WE ARE YOU WANTING TO LOOK AT THIS, DOCTOR HARRIS, IN RELATION

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TO THE COST ITSELF OR JUST THE AGREEMENTS. BECAUSE AGAIN CONTRACTS HAVE ENDINGS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION TEN YEARS FROM NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THAT, OR ARE WE GOING TO BE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDER THAT.

AND IS IT GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UNDER THE FUNDING OF A GEO BOND FOR OUR SHARE? AND HOW WOULD THAT WORK WITH THREE DIFFERENT TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES ON THAT END? YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO INVESTIGATE, GET MORE CLEAR.

NONE OF THIS IS VERY CLEAR. THIS IS JUST A GENERAL DIRECTION FOR US TO TO MOVE.

WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, BUT THIS IS I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PARTNER WITH A NONPROFIT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A THAT WOULD BE A LOT.

AND I'M NOT BIG ON HAVING CONTROL, BUT I'M NOT BIG ON HAVING NO CONTROL AS WELL.

SO I THINK WE CAN ELIMINATE OPTION FOUR. I AGREE.

IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT. NO, YOU WANT NUMBER THREE.

YOU WANT NUMBER FOUR. I, I REALLY LIKE NUMBER FOUR.

I THINK YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD PUT IT OUT FOR BID.

YOU COULD SEE WHAT SERVICES LIKE SAY, WHAT SERVICES YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR, SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH, SEE WHAT THEY MIGHT CHARGE TO BUILD A FACILITY.

THEY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A LOT OF THESE PLACES DO IS THEY HAVE A LOT OF FUNDRAISING CAPABILITY.

AND SO IT COULD EVEN DEFRAY THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS IF THEY WERE TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING FOR US.

SO I THINK IT GIVES US A GREATER AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DICTATE WHETHER WE WANT A FIVE YEAR TERM OR A TEN YEAR TERM.

LIKE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW WE PARTNER WITH THEM.

THEY MIGHT DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO COME IN HERE AND DO THE AREAS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE ILA FOR.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST FOR US. THERE'S JUST, I SEE SO MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT.

OKAY. I SEE US. I SEE US LOSING A LOT OF DIRECTION BY JUST HANDING IT OVER TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

YEAH. SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. THERE IS A MOTION.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION, YOU CAN. I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST AMEND IT TO BRING OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE BACK SO WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE.

AND THEN WE CAN MAKE, I THINK A CLEAR JUDGMENT THAT WAY ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE THE TRIPARTY PARTNERSHIP.

WELL, I THINK STAFF WAS SAYING THAT DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION WOULD DRAMATICALLY AFFECT PRICE.

YEAH, YEAH. THE LOCATION AND WHO'S INVOLVED. CORRECT.

SO BECAUSE IT'S 6 TO 1 HALF A DOZEN THE OTHER, IF WE DO IT OURSELVES OR WE USE THE TRIPOD PARTY PARTNERSHIP.

IS THAT TRUE? I JUST THINK THE THE BUILDING IS ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE AND ACCOMMODATE A CERTAIN INTAKE IF WE'RE PARTNERING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT LARGE INTAKE THAT'S COMING IN THE ANALYTICS AND WHERE IT IS OF HOW MUCH WE CAN DROP, THE ACTUAL COST OF THE BUILDING IF WE GO BY OURSELVES HAS NOT BEEN DEEP DIVE LOOKED INTO.

SO I THINK TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, THAT'S THE ELEMENT THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT WE KNOW THAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE AND HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ANIMALS BASED ON THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE.

BUT WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE FROM JUST OUR OUR NUMBERS AND THE BUILDING AT ANY NUMBER OF GIVEN SITES? IF IT WAS JUST US ON OUR OWN, WHICH IS A FAIR ASSESSMENT TO SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE US ON OUR OWN.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THE ANIMALS ANYWAY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO US.

THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO HELP US WITH THAT.

FOOD IS NOT GOING TO BUILD THEIR OWN SHELTER, BUT WE WOULDN'T DESIGN THE SHELTER EXPECTING TO TAKE THE 70% OF THE COUNTIES.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THEM? WELL, I JUST I JUST MEAN DESIGN.

I JUST I'M JUST TALKING DESIGN. THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WE MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT HELPS PAY FOR THAT.

HOW THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS. YEAH. I'M CONFUSED ABOUT HOW IS THAT WHAT SAN MARCUS DOES? THEY JUST TAKE ALL THE ANIMALS. YES, YES, YES.

AND IS THAT WHY THEY EUTHANIZE SO MANY OF THEM? THEY DON'T. THEY DO. YEAH. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU GUYS TO PLEASE.

THANK YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT WE ARE GOING TO ASK A POINT OF ORDER FROM THE SEVEN SEVEN MEETING.

I THOUGHT YOU GUYS DECIDED TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND VOTE ON AUGUST 18TH.

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IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. WE'RE VOTING ON DIRECT. YEAH.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GIVING DIRECTION. YEAH. SO BUT WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M OUT OF ORDER BEFORE YOU ALL VOTE.

LET'S SAY IT'S A THREE PARTY DEAL AND WE OPT FOR A GEO BOND AND THE VOTERS DECIDE NO. NOW, WHAT HAPPENS WITH BUDDHA AND COUNTY OR VICE VERSA IF THEY DECIDE EITHER DECIDES TO GO GEO BOND AND THAT BOND FAILS.

DO WE KNOW HOW THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT? DO WE KNOW HOW THE COUNTY IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, BUT NOT OFFICIALLY. NO WE DON'T. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY.

THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE ILA THAT IF THERE'S NO APPROPRIATED FUNDING IN THE BUDGET, THEN THEY COULD THEY COULD TERMINATE THEIR PORTION.

I GUESS AT THAT POINT, IF IT HAPPENED TO THE COUNTY OR BOUTTE, WE WOULD TAKE THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DISCUSS WITH THE OTHER PARTIES. YEAH. I THOUGHT I READ IN THE ILA THAT IT STATED THAT THEY COULD LEAVE AT ANY TIME, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN CHAIR.

SO IF THEY LIKE IT, WHEN DO WE GET STARTED ON THAT? LIKE, I GUESS LOOKING AT FUNDING IT, I WOULD, AS YOU KNOW, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF 65,000 TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF KYLE, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OF BUDA AND THE COUNTY ARE ALSO GOING TO HOLD THEIR FAIR SHARE BEFORE WE PROCEED.

SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? HOW DOES THE TIMELINE SYNC UP? THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BEFORE BEFORE WE INCUR ANY COSTS, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW VERSUS AFTER WE'VE INCURRED COSTS.

SO RIGHT NOW, IF THEY WERE TO PUT IT ON A BOND, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE INCURRED COSTS YET. AND THEN THEY COULD COULD GET OUT IN THE FUTURE.

ONCE WE'VE INCURRED THE COSTS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. THEY'D HAVE TO PAY THEIR COSTS. BUT IF WE ALL AGREE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE BOND OR WHATEVER, AND IT FAILS AT SOME POINT ON SOMEBODY'S BEHALF, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OF BUTTE OR THE CITY OF KYLE.

HOW DOES THAT LOOK? I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO DO THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME IF WE CAN. RANDY GOES, RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO WHAT DOCTOR HARRIS, ARE YOU SUGGESTING TO GO WITH THE TRI PARTY? HAVE A ILA WITH A COUNTY IN BUDA, BUT PUT IT ON A GEO BOND FOR THE RESIDENTS OF KYLE TO VOTE ON, TO VOTE ON, TO SAY FOR THAT. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD ASK THE RESIDENTS OF KYLE TO GO FOR A GEO BOND, FOR OUR FOR OUR SHARE.

AND IT WILL BE IN THE BOND LANGUAGE AND THEN WHATEVER OUR SHARE WOULD BE, WHICH YOU SAY MAYBE ABOUT 9 MILLION OR MAYBE TEN ON THAT END, PLUS THE COST, THEN THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO PICK UP THEIR SHARE IN BUDA, IN BUDA.

AND LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, IF THE BOND FAILS, THAT'S TWO YEARS WE'VE WASTED, RIGHT? IF OUR BOND FAILS, IF THEIR BOND FAILS, THEY DON'T GET THAT.

THEY HAVE TO FIND A FINANCING IT OR THEY'RE OUT OF THE AGREEMENT.

VERSUS THE OTHER OPTION OF US GOING SOLO, GOING SOLO, WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET THE ANIMALS AND THEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP. LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER, HARRIS SAID, WE.

THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE. YEAH, BUT THEY ARE THREE VERY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO GO INTO.

AND SO WE CAN BRING BACK OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD MANY TIMES MORE DETAIL, MORE CONVERSATION, MORE NUMBERS, MORE ANALYTICS BEHIND IT. BUT EACH ONE OF THESE IS ONE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN THE OTHER.

AND THAT'S WHERE STAFF IS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, YEAH, YEAH.

WE'VE ONLY ELIMINATED ONE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PROGRESS.

RIGHT. BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER GOES, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE THE NONPROFITS BEING INVOLVED TOO.

AND I, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW THAT WORKS IN AUSTIN.

I THINK AUSTIN USES PETS ALIVE. IS THAT TRUE? THEY HAVE AN AUSTIN SHELTER AND THEN AUSTIN PETS ALIVE DOES A LOT OF SHELTER DIVERSION, SO THEY TAKE A LOT OF ANIMALS OUT OF THAT.

SO WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING WHEN THEY WERE PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY POTENTIALLY WOULD BE DEVELOPING THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM FOR THE COUNTY THAT THEY HAD THE FEASIBILITY STUDY ON. AND SO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS PART OF THE BIDDING PROCESS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO WORK ON DEVELOPING HERE.

SO LIKE IF WE IF THEY BID ON OUR PROJECT AND THEY WERE DOING THAT, THEN THEY WOULD DO THE PROGRAMING THAT WE WANTED THEM TO DO.

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OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THIS PRECLUDES US FROM BEING ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH A NONPROFIT IN THE FUTURE.

NO. OKAY. WELL, I DID SPEAK WITH BEFORE I WAS ELECTED.

I SPOKE WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE AND HE KIND OF FELT LIKE IT WAS THE COUNTY'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL SUPPORT WHATEVER YOU GUYS DO, BUT I ALSO SUPPORT IF YOU GUYS SAY THAT YOU WANT THE COUNTY TO DO IT.

AND SO WHEN I SAT DOWN AND HAD THAT CONVERSATION, THAT'S WHEN I WAS LIKE, OKAY, IS THIS REALLY? AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, IS THIS REALLY THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY? IS THIS THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY? LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I JUST THINK IT'S A LOT FOR KYLE TO TAKE ON. THIS IS A LOT FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE TO PICK UP, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO COVER BUDA.

THEN WHY IS THE COUNTY NOT DOING THIS? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

BUT ACCORDING TO THE TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, THEIR TIMELINE STARTED TWO YEARS BEFORE US, AND YET WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER ALONG THAN THEY EVER.

THEY'VE THEY'VE PASSED US. THEY STARTED TWO YEARS BEFORE WE WERE EVEN TALKING ABOUT AN ILA.

YEAH. AND YOU REACHED OUT TO US BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING FURTHER THAN THEY WERE.

TRUE. YEAH. THEY DROPPED THEIR PROGRAMING AND THEY DROPPED THE WHOLE CONCEPT AND IDEA.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY, LIKE, WHY ARE WE PICKING UP THE SLACK FOR THE COUNTY? WE PAY COUNTY TAXES. THEY'RE 64.5% OF THE PROJECTS.

SO WE'RE NOT REALLY PICKING UP FOR THE COUNTY.

WELL, EXCEPT FOR I FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE 0% OUR RESPONSIBILITY, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE PICKING UP THE COUNTY.

I WOULD NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BROTHER TO BIG BROTHER.

THEY DIDN'T GET THE JOB DONE AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THE JOB DONE.

YEAH. I JUST WONDER WHY WE HAVE TO COVER THEM IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO COVER US.

YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US 38%. BUT THIS IS A BIG THIS IS A BIG LIFT FOR OUR STAFF.

THIS IS A BIG LIFT FOR OUR CITY. TO HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE THIS FULL TIME.

AND WE DON'T HAVE IT. THIS IS ALSO ALL NEW STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS VERY SPECIALIZED.

YEAH. SO I MEAN AGAIN THAT'S AN INCREASE IN STAFF.

IT'S AN INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SOMEBODY SAID WE HAD ANIMAL ON DUTY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

THAT'S NOT THE POLICE WILL OFFICER WILL COME OUT AND HELP YOU.

BUT AS FAR AS I HAVE I HAVE FOUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS NOW WHO WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

THERE'S TWO ON SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. OKAY, PERFECT.

SEVEN, 6 A.M. TO 8 P.M. THERE IS ANIMAL CONTROL.

OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAD A TIME WHERE NOT TOO LONG AGO, I THINK IT WAS THIS YEAR WHEN A DOG WAS ATTACKED AND KILLED IN ITS OWN YARD.

AND THEY CALLED AND AN OFFICER CAME OUT AND NOT ANIMAL CONTROL.

I DO HAVE SOME SOME LACKING COVERAGE. OKAY. VACATIONS, TRAINING, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT I BELIEVE THE INCIDENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE WAS WE DID HAVE AN OFFICER OUT THERE.

YEAH. SO IT WAS BOTH THE OFFICER POLICE OFFICER JUST GOT THEIR FIRST.

WELL, AND I WONDER WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN WE THEN HAVE TO GO INTO THE COUNTY AND TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.

THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH. IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH.

AND I YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY FOR US TO SIT HERE AND SAY, YEAH, WE CAN DO IT.

LET'S MOVE FORWARD. BUT IF YOU WERE THE PERSON THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO PICK UP THAT RESPONSIBILITY, YOU MIGHT BE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM STAFF, I THINK IS KIND OF TOUGH BECAUSE I KNOW STAFF WANTS TO PLEASE AND THEY WANT TO SAY, WE CAN DO IT.

BUT I'VE I'VE SEEN IT'S TOUGH. IT'S HARD. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T OVERWHELM OUR STAFF.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T BITE OFF MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW.

DO I THINK WE NEED AN ANIMAL CARE FACILITY? YES, ABSOLUTELY I DO.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE I MEAN, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS. AND WE WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION AND NEW QUESTIONS ARE WE OWE IT TO OUR RESIDENTS TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

SO WHICH OF THESE OPTIONS. WELL THERE'S A MOTION.

YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION, GO AHEAD. AND SO WE HAVE TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION, THEN WE TAKE A VOTE TO CALL THE QUESTION, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GOING TO CUT OFF CONVERSATION. YES.

ONE MORE VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO KNOW IF WE GO AND ASK OUR VOTERS TO AUTHORIZE GEO BONDS, AND IF IT FAILS, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES AND CITY ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME THAT YOU CANNOT ISSUE COS FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS. SOMETIMES 2 OR 3.

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SO Y'ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT. SO THE OPTION IS JUST DON'T BUILD A SHELTER.

NO HE'S JUST SAYING I MEAN WE COULD DO WE COULD DO IT WITH THE CO COS YEAH IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE RISKS WITH WHICHEVER ROUTE YOU TAKE. I THINK WE ALL RESPECT THAT.

COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE THIS TO THE VOTERS AND LET THE VOTERS MAKE THE DECISION.

WE JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THERE IS A RISK THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEBT FINANCE IT A DIFFERENT WAY.

WOW. THANK YOU. BUT IF YOU GO C-O BOND. WE DON'T HAVE 8 MILLION NOR 21 MILLION OR WHATEVER PERCENTAGE IN THE BANK RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHY YOU GO TO C-O BOND. THAT'S WHY YOU GO BOND.

YEAH. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO. THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS VOTER INPUT.

I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THE VOTERS A CHANCE, BUT ISN'T THERE A WAY WE CAN PUT IT ON THE BOND AND NOT HAVE IT BE LIKE A BOND? WE CAN JUST GET FEEDBACK. I COULD HAVE SWORE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PREVIOUS.

I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NON-BINDING BALLOT PROPOSITION.

YES, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE. I WOULD WANT TO CONSULT WITH OUR BOND ATTORNEY BEFORE WE TRY TO DO SOME SORT OF KIND OF WORKAROUND ON VERSUS THE G.O. AND THE CEO. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, OF COURSE, WE CAN BRING BACK AS WE'RE CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION, WE JUST, AGAIN, WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE. OKAY.

OPTION NUMBER TWO IS WHAT IS ON THE FLOOR. OKAY, SO SHE'S CALLING THE QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION. YES. IF A COUNCILMEMBER CALLS A QUESTION, WE TAKE A VOTE.

MAJORITY COUNCIL VOTES TO CALL THE QUESTION. THEN ALL DISCUSSION STOPS.

WE VOTE. COULD YOU PUT IT ON OPTION TWO, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. THIS IS JUST TO CALL THE QUESTION.

YES. FLORES. YES. HARRIS.

YES. TOBIAS. ZAPATA IS ABSENT. MCKINNEY. YES.

GOSA. YES. MEDINA IS ABSENT. ALL RIGHT, FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION. THAT MEANS WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO A TRI PARTY PARTNERSHIP AND THIS IS VOTE FOR OPTION TWO.

SO CAN I GET A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. GOSA. NO.

TOBIAS. NO. MCKINNEY. YES. MEDINA IS ABSENT. FLORES.

KALE. NO. HARRIS. YES. OKAY. MOTION FAILS. 3 TO 2.

SO MOVING ON TO OPTION THREE. DO WE WANT TO STAND ALONE FACILITY.

OR DO WE WANT A PARTNER? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

OPTION THREE AND FOUR. TO BE CLEAR, MAYOR I THINK THE MOTION WAS TO ONLY CONSIDER OPTION TWO.

SO IT IS POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO CONSIDER IT ALONG WITH ANOTHER OPTION IF THAT'S SOMETHING.

I GAVE THAT OPTION. I WASN'T TAKEN. OKAY. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT I WAS VERY CLEAR ON, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT PRICES AND MAKE A JUDGMENT FROM THERE.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A MOTION IS FOR TWO AND THREE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'D ASKED FOR. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THAT MOTION.

OPTION TWO WAS ALREADY ON THE TABLE. YEAH, BUT YOU CAN AMEND IT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR? FOR TWO. WE CAN FINISH TALKING ABOUT OPTION THREE AND FOUR AND THEN ELIMINATE.

AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK. SO OPTION THREE IS A STANDALONE.

ARE YOU GUYS AGAINST THE STANDALONE. I AM JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LIABILITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE ANIMALS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS, REGARDLESS IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET DROPPED ON US NO MATTER WHAT.

I AGREE. I THINK THAT IF WE GO THIS ROUTE, WE'LL.

WE'LL BE UNDERSERVING FROM THE DAY WE OPEN. AS LONG AS WE DEVELOP A POLICY AND A PROCEDURE THAT OUTLINES THE RESIDENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF SHE DOESN'T MIND STAFF FEEDBACK.

I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS YOUR EVERYDAY JOB.

YOU'RE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO. I RESPECT YOUR POSITION AND I RESPECT YOUR OPINION.

BRIANNA, AS YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, CAN YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT SEIZURES AND ELEMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IN ISLA, VERSUS IF WE WENT ALONG? BECAUSE IT JUST ANIMAL DROPS ARE ONE THING, BUT THERE'S THERE'S OFFICIAL DUTIES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

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ISLA TOO. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SAN MARCUS SEES ON, ON THE REGULAR WE SEE ON THE REGULAR, WE JUST TODAY HAD A DOG THAT WAS FROM MOUNTAIN CITY.

BUT WHAT WHEN WE GET INVOLVED IN AN ANIMAL LIKE THAT WITH SAN MARCUS, I CAN JUST PUT IT AS HAYS COUNTY'S ANIMAL AND IT'S FINE AND GOOD AND ALL.

IF THEY DROP THEM AT OUR DOOR OR IF THEY BEFORE PAWS CLOSED DROP THEM AT PAWS DOOR.

THOSE ENDED UP ALWAYS COUNTING TOWARDS US TWO.

BECAUSE IT WAS DROPPED OFF IN THE CITY OF KYLE.

A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL HAVE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE OUTSIDE IN THE COUNTY.

AND WE KNOW THAT ANIMAL DIDN'T COME FROM TARGET OR HEB.

BECAUSE YOU'D BE AMAZED HOW MANY ANIMALS NOBODY EVER SEES IN ANY OF THOSE PARKING LOTS THAT END UP UNDER OUR TOTALS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME EXTRA ANIMALS COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION.

IT'S JUST PART OF HAVING A SHELTER. WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL FEASIBILITY STUDY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE ARCHITECTS THAT I, THEY KNOW I STEWED OVER. JESSE KNOWS. I STEWED OVER IT AND LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, AND FINALLY HAD TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT MADE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE, SO THAT WE HAD ENOUGH SPACE TO FACTOR IN EXTRA ANIMALS.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN. A LOT OF SHELTERS WANT TO BE 80% CAPACITY IS THE, IS THE MAGIC NUMBER WE WANT TO BE AT. BUT YOU CAN'T SOME PLACES OPEN UP AND THEY'RE 100% CAPACITY.

SO IT IS KIND OF A GUESSING GAME ON, ON SIZE OF THE FACILITY, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE SOME AND THEN LIKE JESSE SAID, WHEN WE HAVE A SEIZURE OF ANIMALS, WE HAVE TO TAKE THOSE ANIMALS IN AND THOSE HAVE TO BE HELD FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME BECAUSE THE PEOPLE CAN APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE COUNTY COURT. SO WE DO HAVE SOME EXTENDED LENGTHS OF STAY AND THOSE ANIMALS REQUIRE MORE, MORE CARE. BUT YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LITTLE EXTRA THAT'S, THAT'S NOT YOURS.

ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE ENTITIES SURROUNDING YOU THAT DON'T TAKE IN ANIMALS VERY EASILY, THAT CAUSES A PROBLEM TOO.

AND WE'RE SURROUNDED BY COUNTIES. SO WOULD YOU RATHER SEE OPTION TWO THEN? THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO BOTH SIDES OF IT. LOOK, THIS IS THIS IS YOUR LIVELIHOOD.

AND I'M REALLY TRYING TO LIKE AND THERE'S NO PRESSURE.

LIKE YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR HONEST OPINION. IT'S THE, THE POSITIVES THAT I SEE TO OPTION TWO IS POTENTIALLY HAVING A LITTLE BETTER CONTROL OVER OVERALL POLICIES, PROCEDURES.

THE BIG THING WITH ANIMAL CONTROL IS WE'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE PROGRESS UNTIL WE START HAVING LIKE SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE REALITY OF IT AND GETTING US TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE WHERE YOU'RE NOT LEAVING ANIMALS ON THE STREET BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE IN THE SHELTER, BECAUSE THOSE ANIMALS THAT ARE OUT ON THE STREETS, NOT IN OUR NOT IN OUR CITY, BUT IN THE COUNTY IN PARTICULAR, THOSE ANIMALS ARE STILL REPRODUCING. THEY'RE STILL BRINGING IN PUPPIES TO THE SHELTER.

THEY'RE STILL BRINGING IN KITTENS TO THE SHELTER.

AND WE'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE PROGRESS IF WE STILL HAVE UNCONTROLLED POPULATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONES IN PARTICULAR THAT MIRACULOUSLY COME FROM H-E-B AND TARGET AND REALLY HAVE A COUNTY ADDRESS THAT THE ANIMAL DROP HER OFF OR CAME FROM. SO, SO WHAT ABOUT OPTION FOUR? OPTION FOUR? SO HAVING BEEN AROUND FOR ALL OF THE, THE ORIGINAL STARTING OF OUR, WELL, LEAVING PAUSE 19.5 YEARS AGO AND THEN GOING TO SAN MARCOS.

HAVING THAT NO CONTROL IS, IS DIFFICULT. WITH THIS OPTION, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO NEED A FACILITY.

SO NONE OF THESE ENTITIES HAVE EVER WANTED TO DO OPEN INTAKE IS NOT REALLY THEIR THING.

I WAS IN ON SOME MEETINGS WITH THE WHOLE PROCESSES AND WE DID ASK THAT DO THEY REALLY WANT OPEN INTAKE?

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OPEN INTAKE IS NOT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. AND MOST OF THE NONPROFITS DO LIKE TO SOMEWHAT CONTROL WHAT COMES IN.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE LEFT OUR AGREEMENT WITH PAWS IS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT TO CONTINUE TO TAKE OUR ANIMALS.

THEY WERE TURNING THINGS AWAY AT TIMES. SO THE LACK OF CONTROL AND MY CONCERN WHEN WE HAVE OUR TOPIC OF DANGEROUS ANIMALS, THAT'S THERE ARE CERTAIN ENTITIES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO EUTHANIZE SOME OF THE ANIMALS THAT WE MAY WANT TO BE EUTHANIZED AND LOSING THAT CONTROL. BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN ANIMALS THAT ARE GOING OUT INTO THE WORLD THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY SAFE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE HAVE STOOD ON THAT THAT WE WANT THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED WHEN IT COMES TO THE ANIMALS THAT ARE GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THOSE ANIMALS AND NOT WAREHOUSING THEM FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

IT'S ANOTHER THING THAT SOME OF THE NON-PROFITS WILL HOUSE ANIMALS FOR YEARS.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO EUTHANIZE THEM. OKAY.

SO. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST OPTION FOR THEM EITHER.

BUT YOU DO AGREE THAT HAVING SOME KIND OF PROGRAM, A PREVENTATIVE PROGRAM TO HELP PEOPLE OUT, THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPERATIVE. YES. ACCESS TO WHICH WE WE ARE THE, WE HAVE OUR SPAY NEUTER FUNDS THAT WE GIVE OUT EVERY YEAR FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING THAT.

WE DO AS MUCH PROACTIVE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS OUT OF THE SHELTERS, BUT THE OWNER SURRENDER NUMBERS ARE INCREASING.

PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO KEEP THEIR ANIMALS AND THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING THAT WE CAN OFFER THEM THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS.

OFFERING THEM FOOD IS, IS NOT TELLING THEM, HEY, MONTHLY FOOD PANTRY WITH HAYS COUNTY.

AND ALL THOSE OTHER OPTIONS IS NOT IS NOT PUSHING PEOPLE THERE EITHER.

THE MOST RECENT ONE IS THERE MOVING AND THEY JUST CAN'T BRING THE ANIMAL WITH THEM.

SO THAT'S OUR MOST FREQUENT REASON FOR OWNER SURRENDER WHEN THEY CALL US.

AND THEY'RE CALLING US BECAUSE SAN MARCOS IS SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO THREE WEEKS FROM NOW TO BE ABLE TO DROP THEM OFF.

SO THEY HAVE SOME DELAYS IN BEING ABLE TO OWNER SURRENDER RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO OPTION TWO, THREE, TWO AND THEN THREE? OKAY. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH EACH ONE OF THESE IS GOING TO COST, LIKE A REAL PRICE. AND THEN I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAD INFORMATION ABOUT THE INTAKE, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, FOR THE, TO DIRECT CITY STAFF, CITY DIRECTOR, INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

SORRY TO BRING BACK A REAL NUMBERS FOR OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE, BUT WITH BOTH OF THOSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROGRAMING INVOLVED IN IT AS WELL. SO THAT'S A MOTION.

SECOND. OKAY. I GET A MOTION BY MYSELF AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KENNY.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL, THAT IS CLEAR. THAT IS CLEAR DIRECTION.

AND WE WILL BRING THOSE BACK WITH THE ANALYSIS OF THE NUMBERS BEHIND THEM.

AND THEN WE WILL GET, I THINK, THE FINAL VOTE FROM COUNCIL ON WHICH WAY TO GO.

SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. I KNOW THAT WAS LONG BUT VERY IMPORTANT.

YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT WE HAVE AGENDA ITEM FIVE.

[5) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback regarding a Feasibility Analysis and Options for implementing an Annual Utility Reservation Fee.]

RECEIVE A REPORT. HOLD A DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS AND OPTIONS FOR IMPLEMENTING AN ANNUAL UTILITY RESERVATION FEE.

THIS IS ITEM PRESENTER MIKE MURPHY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MIKE MURPHY, DIRECTOR OF WATER UTILITIES.

WITH ME TONIGHT I'VE GOT BLAKE WHO IS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER WATER UTILITIES.

SO TONIGHT I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE THE GROUP THAT WORKED ON THIS PROJECT.

IT WAS A OUT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ENGINEERING AND GIS WATER UTILITIES.

AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT TOGETHER OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.

CITY STAFF, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AMBER SCHMITZ CONDUCTED A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT

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AGREEMENTS. NON-TAXATION AGREEMENTS AND UTILITY WILL SERVE COMMITMENTS TO BETTER QUANTIFY THE CITY'S.

THANK YOU. THE CITY'S EXISTING OBLIGATIONS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE.

THIS EFFORT WAS COMPLETED BASED ON THE TIMELINE, AS DIRECTED BY INTERIM CITY MANAGER MOHIT, TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S UNDERSTANDING OF COMMITTED UTILITY CAPACITY, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND TO THE TO EVALUATE POLICY OPTIONS THAT BETTER ALIGN INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING WITH FUTURE GROWTH OF THE CITY.