* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] TODAY IS, UM, THURSDAY, AUGUST 27TH. THE TIME IS SIX O'CLOCK. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER. CAN I PLEASE GET A ROLL CALL? FLORES KA. HERE. TOBIAS. PRESENT. DOZA. HERE. MEDINA. HERE. ZAPATA. HERE. HARRIS. HERE. MCKINNEY HERE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT IS SEVEN. WE HAVE A QUORUM. IF I COULD HAVE EVERYBODY PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE IN AMERICA FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. [II) Citizen Comment Period with City Council] ALL RIGHT. UP NEXT WE HAVE CITIZENS' COMMENTS. THE CITY COUNCIL WELCOMES COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS. THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ARE ENCOURAGED TO SIGN IN BEFORE THE MEETING BEGINS. SPEAKERS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DURING THIS TIME PERIOD ON ANY AGENDA ITEM OR ANY OTHER MATTER CONCERNING CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS. UH, AND WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. ALL RIGHT. UP FIRST I HAVE EMILY SORENSON. HEY, GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS EMILY SORENSON AND MY FAMILY MOVED TO KYLE IN 2024 BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IN THE VISION THAT THE CITY HAD FOR ITS FUTURE. WHEN I READ THE KYLE 2030 PLAN AND LEARNED ABOUT THE VIBE TRAIL, I SAW A COMMUNITY INVESTING IN THE THINGS THAT MAKE A CITY A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO AND HANG OUT, AND A COMMUNITY VIBE THAT'S UNIQUE TO KYLE. THE VIBE TRAIL WASN'T DESIGNED AS A PATCHWORK OF DISCONNECTED PATHS AND STANDARD SIDEWALKS. IT WAS DESIGNED AS A MULTIMODAL NETWORK THAT CONNECTS NEIGHBORHOODS, PARKS, SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES, AND COMMUNITY SPACES. IN KYLE, THE CENTER STREET SEGMENT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT SERVES AS THE CONNECTION THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND IT LINKS DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY TOGETHER WHILE ALSO CREATING THE KIND OF ENVIRONMENT THAT SUPPORTS THE PARKS AND THE RESTAURANTS AND THE EVENTS AND THE LOCAL BUSINESSES. A THRIVING DOWNTOWN DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN. YOU NEED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE NOT JUST TO DRIVE THROUGH, BUT TO WALK AROUND, TO BIKE, TO EXPLORE, TO SHOP, TO ACTUALLY STAY A WHILE. WE NEED MORE LOCAL SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS DOWNTOWN, BUT BUSINESSES CAN'T SUCCEED WHEN FOOT TRAFFIC IS LIMITED. WE RECENTLY SAW A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN, UH, INVEST IN KYLE OPEN THE EXACT KIND OF BOUTIQUE THAT, THAT PEOPLE EXPECT IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWNS, BUT THEY HAD LIMITED VISIBILITY AND THEY HAD LIMITED FOOT TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC AND THEY CLOSED WITHIN A YEAR. SO IF WE WANT MORE LOCAL SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN KYLE, WE NEED TO MAKE DOWNTOWN A DESTINATION WHERE PEDESTRIANS FEEL SAFE, NOT JUST A ROADWAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A NEED TO MAKE DIFFICULT BUDGET DECISIONS, BUT SUBSTITUTING A STANDARD SIDEWALK FOR THE PLANNED FIVE SEGMENT DOESN'T SOLVE THE UNDERLYING NEED. IT REDUCES CONNECTIVITY. IT WEAKENS THE VALUE OF THE LARGER NETWORK, AND IT LEAVES US WITH AN OUTCOME THAT FALLS SHORT OF THE VISION THAT THE RESIDENTS VOTED FOR. THE OTHER REASON THIS DECISION MATTERS SO MUCH IS CREDIBILITY. BUSINESSES, PROPERTY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS, AND FAMILIES LIKE MINE HAVE MADE DECISIONS BASED ON THE VISION THAT THE CITY LAID OUT AND THAT A COUPLE OF YOU VOTED FOR. UM, WHEN A CITY FOLLOWS THROUGH ON ITS COMMITMENTS, IT BUILDS TRUST AND IT ENCOURAGES FUTURE INVESTMENT. WHEN IT ABANDONS A CRITICAL PIECE OF A LONG-TERM PLAN, IT SENDS THE OPPOSITE MESSAGE. CITIES SUCCEED WHEN THEY'RE PREDICTABLE. THE RESIDENTS OF KYLE HAVE ALREADY ENDORSED THE VISION WITH THIS VISION WITH THEIR VOTES. THE CENTER STREET SEGMENT IS THE CONNECTION THAT ALLOWS THE ENTIRE VIBE SYSTEM TO FUNCTION AS IT WAS INTENDED. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE NOT MAKE A SHORT-TERM BUDGET DECISION THAT PERMANENTLY COMPROMISES A LONG-TERM VISION. KEEP THE CENTER SEAT STREET SEGMENT INTACT AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND CONTINUE BUILDING THE CONNECTED KYLE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE VOTED FOR AND INVESTED IN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY, UP NEXT, I HAVE DAVID CURTLEY. SO I HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING THEIR TIME TO ME. I COULD PROBABLY DO JUST LIKE FIVE MINUTES OR SIX MINUTES. IS THAT OKAY? MM-HMM . THAT'S FINE. OKAY. CAN YOU HAVE THEM FILL OUT A, A COMMENT CARD AND THEN WRITE YIELDED TIME? OKAY. I'LL DO THAT AFTER, AFTER THAT. UH, OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE VIBE TRAIL, WHICH I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF, AND I WAS REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE PLANS TO NARROW THE TRAIL ALONG CENTER STREET FROM 12 FEET TO SIX FEET. A SIX FOOT TRAIL IS [00:05:01] NOT SAFE. IT'S NOT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO SHARE. IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS IF YOU'RE RIDING ALONG YOUR BICYCLE AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO STEP OFF THE PATH. UM, AND SO THIS IS WHY ALL SAFETY EXPERTS WILL TELL YOU THAT A, A TRAIL, A MULTIMODAL TWO-WAY TRAIL SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET WIDE AND 12 FEET WIDE ON A BUSY STREET LIKE CENTER STREET. UM, AND SO I WAS REALLY CONCERNED WHEN I SAW THESE PLANS. UH, AND AS, UM, EMILY WAS SAYING, THE CENTER STREET TRAIL IS NOT JUST ANY TRAIL IN KYLE. IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT NODE IN THE ENTIRE NETWORK. UH, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO GET SAFELY ON A BICYCLE BETWEEN EAST KYLE AND WEST KYLE. UH, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET SAFELY BETWEEN GREG CLARK PARK AND, UH, MARY CAL HARTSON PARK AND TEXAS PI COMPANY, OLD STAGE COACH ROAD OVER TO ONE 50 EAST ACROSS 35. IT SHOULD BE SAFE FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS TO MOVE ALL ALONG THAT EAST WEST AXIS. AND THERE'S NO OTHER WAY THAT THIS IS EVER GONNA HAPPEN. IF WE PUT A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK IN THIS CORRIDOR WHERE THE VIBE TRAIL WAS DESIGNATED TO GO, THERE'S NO OTHER BRIDGE. THERE'S NO OTHER STREET. THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE THAT SAME LEVEL OF CONNECTIVITY FROM OLD STAGE COACH ROAD OVER INTO EAST KYLE. AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN EAST KYLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKES INTO DOWNTOWN. IT WOULD ONLY BE A FIVE MINUTE BIKE RIDE. PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CYPRESS FOREST SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKES INTO DOWNTOWN. IT WOULD ONLY BE A FIVE MINUTE BIKE RIDE AND PEOPLE WOULD DO IT IF IT WERE SAFE. UH, UH, AND WE ALSO MENTIONED TIME. YOU'RE GOOD. IS THAT, THAT'S FOR THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? YEAH, JUST KEEP GOING. YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. UM, AND, BUT, BUT, SO I THINK THAT THIS, THIS TRAIL IS SO IMPORTANT AND THE THING THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS PLAN IS THAT IT'S BEING PRESENTED AS A BUDGET, UH, CONCESSION. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT REALLY SAVES ANY MONEY IN THE LONG TERM. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST. UH, THE, UM, WE HAD A PRESENTATION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, BY JAKE GUT WHO HE WAS SAYING, OH, WELL, SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE VIBE TRAIL ALONG, CENTER STREET WILL JUST HAVE A GO ALONG BLANCO AND UP VETERANS DRIVE INSTEAD, UH, THIS PLAN DOESN'T WORK AT ALL. I'M REALLY SORRY TO SAY IT DOESN'T CONNECT EAST AND WEST THE WAY THAT CENTER STREET DOES. UH, IT'S A BIRDS TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. AND WE KNOW FROM MANY, MANY STUDIES THAT IF YOU'RE ON A, IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS ALONG A BIKE TRAIL, YOUR BUSINESS GETS BOOSTED 2020 5%. IT'S A HUGE IMPACT. AND SO IF THE TRAIL, IF THE, IF ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS BEING DIVERTED TWO BLOCKS AWAY, NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PASSING BY THOSE BUSINESSES AND STOPPING YET. UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF WHICH IT DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE, BUT THEN IT'S BEING PRESENTED AS IF THIS IS GONNA COST $8 MILLION. THIS IS LIKE AN $8 MILLION DECISION. BUT THE, THE TRAIL ONLY COSTS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE TWO SYSTEMS. THE CENTER STREET AND ON SYSTEM AND THE CENTER STREET OFF SYSTEM. THE, THE HUGE BULK OF THE COST THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED HERE IS THE UTILITIES. PUTTING THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND. NOW, PUTTING THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND MAKES A TON OF SENSE, EVEN REGARDLESS OF THE TRAIL. UH, THIS IS A MAJOR ROAD. YOU DON'T WANT TELEPHONE POLES ALL ALONG IT. THAT'S A BIG CRASH HAZARD. CRASH TELEPHONES ACCOUNT FOR SOMETHING LIKE 900 DEATHS AND 40,000 INJURIES IN THE US EACH YEAR. AND IF WE'RE WIDENING THE ROAD TO THREE LANES OR EVEN FOUR LANES AT THE WESTERN EXPANSE, THAT'S JUST PUTTING TRAFFIC CLOSER TO THE TELEPHONE POLES. UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT'S ELSE ABOUT TELEPHONE POLES? UH, TELEPHONE POLES ALSO, THEY GET THE POWER GETS KNOCKED OUT A LOT MORE. THEY'RE ABOUT HALF AS LIKELY TO GET, UH, IF YOU UNDERGROUND THE UTILITIES, IT'S ABOUT HALF AS LIKELY THAT THE POWER IS GONNA GET KNOCKED OUT. AND IT'S ABOUT 97% LESS LIKELY THAT IT'S GONNA GET KNOCKED OUT BY A HURRICANE OR A BIG STORM. AND SO, UH, YOU HAVE TO COUNT, YOU HAVE TO CALCULATE THAT COST AS WELL. THE COST OF BUSINESSES LOSING POWER. UH, AND THEN, UH, TELEPHONE LINES ARE ALSO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO TRIM THE TREES SO THAT THEY DON'T KNOCK DOWN THE POWER LINES. UM, AND ALSO IF YOU UNDERGROUND THE UTILITIES THAT, UH, MASSIVELY INCREASES PROPERTY VALUES IN THE RANGE OF FIVE TO 20% FOR EVERY SINGLE PARCEL ALONG THAT STRETCH. SO THOSE ARE ALL ECONOMIC IMPACTS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. AND SO THIS IS WHY WHEN YOU, WHENEVER YOU'RE REVITALIZING AN AREA, YOU, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS PUT THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND. 'CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA SEE UGLY TELEPHONE POLES AND HAVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. AND SO, UM, SO THERE WERE SORT OF TWO PLANKS OF REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN THAT ARE RELEVANT HERE. I MEAN, THE FIRST ONE IS BUILDING MARY KYLE HARTSON PARK. SECOND ONE WAS THE VIBE TRAIL TO CONNECT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET DOWNTOWN. AND THEN THE THIRD WAS PUTTING THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND. AND SO I FEEL LIKE IF WE GIVE UP ON, IF, IF, IF WE MAKE THIS SHORT-TERM BUDGET DECISION TO CUT THESE COSTS, NOW WE'RE INCURRING ALL THESE LONG-TERM COSTS. UM, I STARTED TALKING ABOUT, SORRY, THE VIBE TRAIL ON, [00:10:01] UH, BLANCO UP TO VETERANS. WE ALREADY ACQUIRED ALL THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR ONE PARCEL WE SAW FROM THIS AGENDA PACKET TO PUT THIS VIBE TRAIL ON CENTER STREET. IF WE MOVE IT UP TO BLANCO AND VETERANS DRIVE, THEN WE HAVE TO START THAT PROCESS OVER FROM SCRATCH AND ACQUIRE ALL THAT PROPERTY. UH, AND ALSO WE HAVE, WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR ALL THE PLANS FOR CENTER STREET. THEY'RE READY TO GO. AND IF WE START CHANGING THE PLANS, THEN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE PLANS. WE SAW AN AGENDA PACKET AS WELL. IT WAS $80,000 TO DO ONE REVISION OF THE PLANS. SO WHEN YOU, WE, WHEN YOU START ADDING UP ALL THESE COSTS, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SAVING ANY MONEY BY DOING THIS. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING A HUGE SACRIFICE IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE FUTURE OF KYLE. UH, HOW AM I, HOW AM I ON TIME? YES. SOME SECONDS. 10 SECONDS. OKAY. UH, I, I'LL JUST TELL YOU A QUICK ANECDOTE. SO I DID, UM, ALRIGHT. I GUESS YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO, YOU CAN FINISH AS LONG AS IT'S, I MEAN, YOU HAVE, SO I DID, UM, KYLE MARKET DAY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I TALKED TO LOTS OF PEOPLE. EVERYONE I TALKED TO WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT TRAILS. THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED. AND ONE PERSON I SAID I TALKED TO WAS A GENTLEMAN FROM UTAH AND HE HAD MOVED HERE AND HE SAID HE USED TO RIDE HIS BIKE TO WORK EVERY DAY. UM, BUT SINCE COMING TO KYLE, HE HAD DECIDED HE WAS ACTUALLY PLANNING TO, HE HAD ALREADY MADE PLANS TO SELL HIS BIKE THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE HE SAID THERE'S NO PLACE SAFE TO RIDE MY BIKE IN KYLE. AND SO I TOLD HIM, DON'T SELL YOUR BIKE, DON'T SELL IT. YOU'RE GONNA NEED THAT BIKE 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE VIBE TRAIL HAPPEN. THAT'S WHY PROMISE TO YOU. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT TO MAKE THE V SHELL HAPPEN IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M NEXT. I HAVE JOSH KELLER. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MAYOR. UM, JOSH KELLER, FORMER TRAILS COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON. UH, I JUST WANNA COME TONIGHT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE VIBE, THE 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL. UM, ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS EXCITED ABOUT MOVING TO KYLE, AND IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY. MY KIDS LOVE IT HERE. UH, BUT WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED WITH TRAILS, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE VIBE. THE VIBE SENT A MESSAGE TO ME THAT, UH, THE CITY WAS VERY, UH, INTERESTED IN, IN PROBLEM SOLVING AND DEVELOPING WAYS TO GET PEOPLE OUTSIDE AND GET PEOPLE ACTIVE. AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I GOT INVOLVED AND, AND WHY I GOT INVOLVED. SO TO SEE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE CENTER OF THIS TRAIL SYSTEM GET REDUCED TO SIX FEET IS, IS JUST FRUSTRATING. UM, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF STUDIES AND TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT TRAIL SYSTEMS AND HOW IMPORTANT THE CENTER OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM IS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THERE'S SUCH AN EMPHASIS ON THAT 12 FOOT TRAIL. UM, I'VE BEEN, PEOPLE THAT HAVE TALKED TO ME, SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER ME SAYING THAT I'M VERY PRO DIRT TRAILS. I LOVE GETTING OUT THE DIRT AND BUILDING AND RIDING BIKES AND IN THE DIRT. UH, THAT'S WHERE MY PASSION IS. AND I SEE THOSE DIRT TRAILS BEING COMPLIMENTED PERFECTLY BY, UH, THE CENTER STREET 12 FOOT CONCRETE SYSTEM AND VICE VERSA. ALSO, I THINK, UH, A COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL SYSTEM. THEY JUST WORK TOGETHER. THE CONCRETE, IF WE WOULD TALK ABOUT OTHER KINDS OF TRAILS, UH, LIKE GRAVEL TRAILS AND THEN THE DIRT TRAILS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, FOR FOUR YEARS NOW, THEY WOULD COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER. ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS NOT ONLY JUST ABOUT GETTING OUT AND AND RIDING THESE DIRT TRAILS HAS BEEN PROBLEM SOLVING WITH PEOPLE PROBLEM SOLVING WITH BENITO, UH, AND JOHN AND STACY, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO. AND I'VE BEEN TEXTING THEM TODAY TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO AND, AND PROBLEM SOLVE TODAY. SO I KNOW THAT THE 12 FOOT TRAIL CREATES PROBLEMS AND I THINK JUST TALKING ABOUT THOSE OPENLY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW IT CREATES PROBLEMS WITH PARKING SPACES AND PEOPLE'S PRIVATE LAND AND THOSE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS. I DO THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SMART PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT CAN WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. SO, UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE INSTEAD OF A SIX FOOT TRAIL IS FORMING A VIBE COMMITTEE FULL OF, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING, UM, THAT ARE INTERESTED IN TALKING TO EVERYONE THAT'S AFFECTED AS MANY PEOPLE AS AFFECTED AND WORKING TOGETHER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE I'D LOVE TO SEE THE 12 FOOT CONCRETE VIBE TRAIL INSTEAD OF DIVIDING PEOPLE, BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. THANKS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, NEXT I HAVE LEAH KAUFMAN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LEAH KAUFMAN. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF KYLE FOR SEVEN YEARS, UM, PART ON THE EAST SIDE PART ON THE WEST. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CONNECTIVITY ISSUES IN THE CITY. UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO PRESERVE THE CENTER STREET PROJECT AS PLANNED, INCLUDING THE VIBE TRAIL. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE IN FRONT OF YOU. CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE [00:15:01] INCREASED, BUDGETS ARE TIGHT AND THE COUNCIL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THOUGHTFUL WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SCALING BACK THIS PROJECT IS THE RIGHT LONG-TERM SOLUTION. UH, FIRST CENTER STREET, AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID TODAY, IS THIS IS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY. THE VALUE OF THE TRAIL NETWORK ISN'T MEASURED SIMPLY BY HOW MANY MILES WE BUILD. IT'S WHETHER THESE MILES CONNECT PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. THE CITY ITSELF DESCRIBED THE 2022 ROAD BOND AS AN INVESTMENT THAT WOULD STRENGTHEN EAST WEST CONNECTIONS AND CONSTRUCT KEY SEGMENTS OF THE VIBE TRAIL SYSTEM. REMOVING THAT CONNECTION DOESN'T JUST AFFECT CENTER STREET, IT DIMINISHES THE VALUE OF THE LARGER NETWORK WE'RE INVESTING IN THROUGHOUT KYLE AND REPLACING THE PLANNED 12 FOOT SHARED USE PATH, UM, WITH A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ISN'T AN EQUIVALENT SUBSTITUTE KYLE'S OWN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS RECOGNIZE THAT DISTINCTION. WHERE THE VIBE RUNS ALONG A PROJECT. THE CODE CALLS FOR A 10 TO 12 FOOT SHARED USE PATH. THE TRAIL CAN REPLACE THE REQUIRED SIDEWALK, BUT A SIDEWALK ISN'T THE EQUIVALENT OF THE TRAIL. SECOND, WE NEED TO REMEMBER WHAT VOTERS WERE TOLD THEY WERE INVESTING. IN NEARLY 65% OF KYLE VOTERS APPROVED THE $294 MILLION ROAD BOND. THE PROGRAM PRESENTED THE PUB TO THE PUBLIC INCLUDED VIBE, INTEGRATION AND CONSTRUCTION, IMPROVED EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY AND KEY PIECES OF THE VIBE NETWORK. UM, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MANAGING COSTS AND REMOVING ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL BENEFITS, RES BENEFITS THAT RESIDENTS WERE TOLD THEIR INVESTMENT WOULD DELIVER. AND THAT'S A QUESTION OF PUBLIC TRUST, WHICH I KNOW THAT YOU ALL CARE DEEPLY ABOUT. FINALLY, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM ECONOMICS OF BUILDING THE PROJECT AS A COMPLETE PROJECT. NOW, I SAT DOWN WITH A CIVIL ENGINEER HERE WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT AND THEY WERE EXPLAINING TO ME THAT ONE OF THE BASIC ADVANTAGES OF COORDINATED INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION IS THAT WHEN ROADWAY, UTILITY TRAIL AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMPLETED TOGETHER, THEY CAN SHARE THE DISRUPTION AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION. I, UH, IF WE KNOW KYLE ULTIMATELY NEEDS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, POSTPONING PIECES OF IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ELIMINATE THE COST. IT CAN MEAN COMING BACK LATER, MOBILIZING AGAIN, DISRUPTING THE CORRIDOR AGAIN AND RETROFITTING INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND EVERYTHING WE'VE ALREADY BUILT. KYLE IS GOING TO CONTINUE GROWING THIS EAST WEST CONNECTION ISN'T GOING TO BECOME LESS IMPORTANT WHEN WE HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MORE RESIDENTS AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD CENTER STREET ONCE, BUILD IT COMPREHENSIVELY AND BUILD IT FOR THE KYLE. WE'RE BECOMING NOT JUST THE BUDGET CHALLENGE WE'RE FACING TODAY. UM, SO I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE PRESERVE THE CENTER STREET PROJECT AS PLANNED, INCLUDING THE VIBE TRAIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, UP NEXT I HAVE AND HAN GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANN HAN AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT PRESERVING THE VIBE TRAIL ALONG CENTER STREET. I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT COST, PARTICULARLY ON A PROJECT THAT HAS BECOME SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD SPEND MONEY SIMPLY BECAUSE SOMETHING APPEARED IN AN ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT A APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION ASSOCIATED WITH THE VIBE TRAIL IN ISOLATION AND DECIDE THAT ELIMINATING IT IS A EASY SAVINGS PLAN. THE VIBE WAS ENVISIONED SIMPLY AS A RECREATIONAL TRAIL. IT IS INTENDED TO BE A INTERCONNECTED TRANSPORT STATION NETWORK CONNECTING NEIGHBORHOODS, PARKS, BUSINESSES, AND DOWNTOWN. AND THIS IS A NEW IDEA. THE CITY INCORPORATED THE VIBE INTO ITS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN 2022, INCLUDING A 10 TO 12 FOOT SHARED USE PATH WHERE THE VIBE RUNS ALONG A PROJECT. EXPANDING THE VIBE SYSTEM WAS ALSO PART OF THE VISION PRESENTED WITH THE 2022 ROBOT. SO BEFORE WE REMOVE THE CENTER STREET PORTION, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK WHETHER THERE ARE WAYS TO REDUCE THE CO THE PROJECT'S COST WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE CONNECTION. FOR EXAMPLE, COULD WE LEAVE THE UTILITIES OVERHEAD WHILE PRESERVING THE VIBE? IF ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IS REQUIRED, WHAT WOULD IT ACTUALLY COST? COULD EASEMENTS BE USED WHERE APPROPRIATE? COULD ROADWAY DIMENSIONS OR TURN LANE CONFIGURATIONS BE RECONSIDERED WITHOUT COMPROMISING TRAFFIC SAFETY? AND IF THE ALTERNATIVE IS EVENTUALLY ROUTING THE CONNECTION ALONG BLANCO STREET AND VETERANS DRIVE, WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY COST? DO WE HAVE THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY? IF NOT, WHAT WOULD ACQUISITION, ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS BE? I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE TWO DECISIONS [00:20:01] THAT CAN EASILY BECOME BUNDLED TOGETHER UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND PRESERVING THE VIBE. THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY THE SAME POLICY QUESTION. I'VE LIVED IN KYLE LONG ENOUGH TO WATCH US GROW VERY QUICKLY. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH A VIBE TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT CONNECTS OUR COMMUNITY AND GIVES PEOPLE ANOTHER WAY TO MOVE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS, PARKS, BUSINESSES, AND DOWNTOWN. I SUPPORT PRESERVING THE ORIGINAL CENTER STREET PLAN AS MUCH AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE. IF COST REQUIRE CHANGES, I HOPE COUNCIL WILL EXHAUST THE ALTERNATIVES THAT PRESERVE THE VIBE CONNECTION BEFORE ELIMINATING IT. WE ARE REBUILDING CENTER STREET NOW AND WHAT WE BUILD WILL LIKELY SERVE KYLE FOR DECADES. LET'S MAKE SURE THAT SAVING MONEY TODAY DOESN'T COST US MORE OR COST US AN IMPORTANT CONNECTION TOMORROW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT I HAVE LILA KNIGHT. IS LILA HERE? OH, THERE YOU ARE. I'M HERE. YOU'RE NEXT. MY NAME IS LILA KNIGHT AND I'VE LIVED IN KYLE SINCE THE EARLY 1980S. I'VE BEEN AROUND. FIRST I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR HAVING TO MAKE THE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO GET OUR FI FINANCES BACK ON TRACK. AND NOT ONLY YOU, BUT OUR STAFF AS WELL. YOU'VE HAD TO MAKE VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS. AND I REMEMBER BACK IN 2008, 2009, OUR COUNCIL AT THAT TIME HAD TO MAKE THE SAME SORTS OF DECISIONS. UM, I WANNA GIVE YOU A HISTORY LESSON, , 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DID. UH, UH, THE ORIGINAL KYLE, UH, WAS FOUNDED BY THE RAILROAD. I MEAN, THEY LITERALLY OWNED THE LAND AND SOLD THE LOTS. AND THAT WAS IN 1880 AND IT WAS ONLY 18 BLOCKS. IT WAS EXPAND AND IT WAS A COMBINATION OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL LOTS. IN 1883, IT WAS EXPANDED, UM, TO THE WEST TO INCLUDE THE REST OF CENTER STREET TO MEYER. OKAY? BUT IT WAS ALL RESIDENTIAL. IT WAS NOT COMMERCIAL. WE'RE WE'RE, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE BUSINESSES THERE AND I ACTUALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, I I GO TO THEM. BUT, UM, THIS IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, OKAY? IT'S NOT A DOWNTOWN. IT'S A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF YOU TAKE OUR SMALL SIDEWALKS AND EXPAND THEM TO LIKE 16 FEET, 12 CONCRETE, AND THEN TWO FEET ON EITHER SIDE IS A BUFFER. YOU'RE GONNA TAKE OUT ALL OF OUR TREES, ALL OF OUR LANDSCAPING, AND YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THIS IN TIME. UH, I COULD LIKE TELL YOU THE HISTORY OF EVERY HOUSE ON CENTER STREET, BUT I WANNA POINT OUT A FEW. ONE, UH, WAS, UM, OWNED BY ROBERT PARKS. HE WAS OUR STATION MASTER AT THE RAILROAD DEPOT FOR YEARS. UH, HE ALSO SERVED ON THE THE KYLE SCHOOL BOARD. UM, HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE BAPTIST CHURCH. HE WAS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SUNDAY SCHOOL. I WON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST HIM. AND, UM, HE WAS ALSO THE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE AND THE JUSTICE OF THE PEACE OFFICE WAS IN HIS HOME. UM, THEN OF COURSE, UM, AND THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1895 AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, BUILT BY MARY KYLE HARTSON, OUR FIRST FEMALE MAYOR. IN 1937, SHE WON BY A RIGHT IN VOTES . YEAH. CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING TODAY? UH, BUT MARY KYLE HART'S HOUSE, THE ONE SHE LIVED IN WHILE SHE WAS MAYOR. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I GET GOING ON HISTORY. OH, AND THERE'S ALSO THE CATHERINE PORTER HOUSE. PLEASE. UM, PLEASE HELP US PRESERVE OUR HISTORY. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT I HAVE TIMOTHY K. OKAY. MY NAME IS TIMOTHY KI REPRESENT MYSELF, MY WIFE HELEN, AND MY DAUGHTER SICILY. WE OWN 7 0 6 WEST CENTER STREET. WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 1984 AFTER I MARRIED THE LOVE [00:25:01] OF MY LIFE. WE HAVE OWNED THIS HOME FOR 42 YEARS. THE 12 FOOT WIDE VIBE TRAIL IS A NICE FEELING IDEA. IT IS NOT, HOWEVER, SOMETHING THAT SHOULD GO THROUGH THE CENTER OF A RAPIDLY GROWING CITY. SIX FEET WOULD PROVIDE FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS AND SAVE SPACE FOR FUTURE CHANGES. IF WE BUILD IT AND ASSIGN IT TO BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS AND GOLF CARTS, WE WILL BE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY BAD THINGS THAT MAY OCCUR. LAST SUNDAY, I WATCHED A LARGE GROUP OF BICY BICYCLISTS RIDING IN A GROUP. THIS GROUP RODE TWO BIKES SIDE BY SIDE, BUNCHED TOGETHER. I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 40 BIKES, BUT I CANNOT BE SURE AS THEY WERE GOING SO FAST, IT WAS HARD TO COUNT THEM. I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW AWFUL, AWFUL IT WOULD BE IF ONE OF THOSE BIKES FELL DOWN, CAUSING A BUNCH OF THEM TO COLLIDE BEFORE THE CITY OF KYLE COMMITS ITSELF TO THIS MU THIS MUCH LIABILITY. WE SHOULD EXPLORE THESE POT POTENTIAL PROBLEMS WITHOUT REVIEWING OR CREATING REGULATIONS AND HOW BIG A GROUP CAN BE PLUS ANY OTHER SAFETY ISSUES. WE OUGHT TO TABLE THE VIBE TRAIL PLAN WITH A LARGE GROUP. WHEN A LARGE GROUP IS MOVING IN ONE DIRECTION, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE TRAIL TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. OUR MOST URGENT CONCERN WITH THE VIBE TRAIL IS A LARGE HERITAGE OAK TREE IN OUR FRONT YARD THAT WE DEARLY LOVE. THIS TREE IS PROTECTED BY THE CITY'S ORDINANCES DUE TO ITS SIZE. SIMILAR TO THE OLD STAGE COACH OAK TREE. WE HAVE A PICTURE OF A PREVIOUS RESIDENCE STANDING IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE IN 1945 WITH A MATURE TREE IN THE FOREGROUND. THIS TREE HAS GIVEN SHADE AND OXYGEN AND REST AND COMFORT TO THIS COMMUNITY FOR WELL OVER 100 YEARS, AND IT DESERVES OUR PROTECTION. WE HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH CITY REPRESENTATIVES AND THEY HAVE TOLD US THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAVE THE TREE, BUT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY WRITTEN GUARANTEES ABOUT PROTECTIONS FOR THE TREES DURING CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE HAD CONSULTATIONS WITH OUR TREE EXPERTS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF A 12 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK. THIS TREE LIES VERY CLOSE TO OUR PROPERTY LINE, AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A 12 FOOT WIDE PATHWAY WITH BURIED UTILITIES HARMING THIS PROTECTED TREE, THE ROAD WIDENING PLUS THE 12 FOOT TRAIL WITH SEVERELY COMPROMISE THE TREES, CANOPY AND ROOT SYSTEM TO THE POINT OF PROBABLY KILLING IT. THE 12 FOOT WIDE PATHWAY WILL ALSO TAKE OUT SEVERAL 40-YEAR-OLD TREES THAT I PLANTED MYSELF, PLUS MANY AUGUSTINES AND TEXAS MOUNTAIN OILS THAT ARE A SCREEN FROM TRAFFIC, NOISE EXHAUST, AND PROVIDE SUN AND HEAT ABATEMENT. WE BEG THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY OF BICYCLISTS TO CONSIDER THIS. AS THE CITY HAS PROTECTED OTHER LARGE HERITAGE TREES IN THIS COMMUNITY. BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS ARE A GOOD THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT PLEASE CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE MANY DOWNTOWN SIDE STREETS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM. GOLF CARTS HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS IN DOWNTOWN. DUE TO LOWER SPEED LIMITS ON THE SIDE STREETS, GOLF CARTS ON SIDEWALKS AND DENSELY TRAVEL CENTER STREET WILL COMPOUND PROBLEMS FOR BIKES, PEDESTRIANS, AND FOR INCREASING TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THOSE ARE ALL THE FORMS I HAVE. DID. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? SEE MRS. CHAPA? YEAH, SHE'S COMING. MAKE SURE IF YOU YOU WANNA SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A FORM. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT I HAVE AMBER ANGELA MELINA CHAPPA. I JUST CALL HER MRS. CHAPA MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO HAVE THIS TIME. I'M EMMA CHOPPA AND I LIVE ON CENTER STREET AND I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 52 YEARS. UM, THIS IS WHERE THE OFF SYSTEM CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS DESIGNED. MY COMMENT IS ON ITEM ONE, THE IMPACT OF PROPERTIES AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALKS. THE CITY OF CAL HAS AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED ON AUGUST 15TH, 2017, AND IT'S, UH, THE STATUE 38 21 MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS ON LOTS REQUIRED. IT'S GOT TWO PARTS, A AND B. ALL PERSONS OWNING LOTS IN THE CITY UPON THE STREETS SHALL KEEP THE SIDEWALKS AROUND THE SAME IN GOOD CONDITION AND FAILING TO DO SO. HE SHALL BE FINE IN ANY AMOUNT, NOT LESS THAN $5, NOR MORE THAN $100. B, THE CITY AT ITS SOLE RESTRICTION MAY ELECT TO FACILITATE [00:30:01] THE REPAIR OF ANY SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OR AUTHORIZED BY AGREEMENT. THE ELECTION OF THE CITY TO FACILITATE SUCH A REPAIR DOES NOT REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT UPON THE PROPERTY OWNER OR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE SIDEWALKS AND A NOBLE WAY DIS ABSOL THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM LIABILITY. I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I WENT TO A AI AND AI SAID THIS CLAUSE MEANS THAT EVEN IF THE CITY DECIDES TO HELP FIX A SIDEWALK, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS STILL FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS UPKEEP AND CAN STILL BE SUED OR HELD LEGALLY TO BLAME IF SOMEONE GETS HURT. FOR YEARS I'VE ATTENDED OR WATCHED COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GONE TO OPEN HOUSES, NEVER WERE PEOPLE TOLD HOW THIS JOYFUL PROJECT FOR OTHERS WILL IMPACT THE PROPERTY AND THE OWNERS. SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEDIA SAY PEOPLE VOTED FOR IT. COLLEGE RESIDENTS IN THE HISTORICAL OLD TOWN HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS FOR BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE, SIDEWALKS AND STREETLIGHTS. THIS THIS AREA WERE PRESENTED WITH A MASTER PLAN THAT GAVE US A LOT OF PROMISES OF WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, WHAT WOULD, AND TO THIS DAY, NOT MUCH HAS BEEN IMPROVED. YES, THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DO THE RESIDENCE, BUT I THINK THE HOMEOWNERS NEED TO BE, THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED. I DO NOT WANNA BE SUED BY ONE OF THE BIKERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ANOTHER, OKAY, IF I COULD HAVE KENNETH ROCHA. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. MAYOR, I'M KENNETH ROCHA. I LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR. WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE COMMENTS TODAY AND WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE TO TAKE AWAY FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS IS CONTEXT, RIGHT? YOU'RE HEARING FROM THOSE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED OR COULD BE IMPACTED IN THE FUTURE BY DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE. BUT I WANNA START, LET'S LOOK AT THE 2021 TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. IT IDENTIFIES CENTER STREET AS A MINOR ARTERIAL. SO PER THE PLAN'S OWN ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION TABLE TYPICALLY MEANS A FOUR LANE CROSS SECTION AND RECOGNIZES CENTER STREET AS A PRIMARY EAST WEST CORRIDOR. YET SINCE 2022, THE CITY AND GAS STRATEGIES HAVE PUSHED FOR A THREE LANE EXPANSION PROJECT, NOT FOUR WITH WIDER TURN LANE AND FOLDED IN THE ROAD ADJACENT VIBE TRAIL BUILD OUT A VIBE BY ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO BE 12 FEET MULTIMODAL PATH. AND THE CENTER STREET ON SYSTEM IS DESIGNED WITH A 12 FOOT VIBE ALONG WITH THE ROAD EXPANSION, THE RIGHT OF WAY. UTILITY OF THE OFF SYSTEM, AS I UNDERSTAND HAS LED TO AND UTILITY HAS LED TO THE COST OVERRUNS. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE VIBE ORATE, HOWEVER, ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE VIBE BUILD OUT HAS BEEN INCONSISTENT. 16 SEGMENTS OF THE VIBE ACROSS NINE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS BUILT BY THE CITY, TXDOT OR DEVELOPERS IS 10 FEET WIDE. CURRENTLY THAT'S BUILT ON THE GROUND THAT PEOPLE CAN USE TODAY. EVEN KYLE PARK CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, THEIR VIBE WITH YOU GUESSED IT, IS 10 FEET. I SHARED THIS TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS. IT'S TIME TO REVIEW THE VIBE ORDINANCE AND THERE IS OBVIOUSLY LOTS OF CONFUSION WHEN IT COMES TO ORDINANCE AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING BUILT FOR CENTER STREET. I'D ASK THAT THE COUNCIL LOOK AT AND CONSIDER CORRIDOR WIDE CONSISTENCY. [00:35:04] A COUPLE OF, UM, WELL, I DO WANNA MENTION THE BUDGET. OTHER ITEM. I'M ALL ABOUT REDUCED DEBT, PAYING CASH WHEN WE CAN, BUT WHEN WE CAN'T. AND MY FEAR IS THAT LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED SURPLUS AS EXCESS CREATES THE SAME PRACTICE THAT DREW DOWN OUR RESERVE FUND IN THE FIRST PLACE. I ASK THAT YOU HOLD THE LINE AND MAXIMIZE THE COST SAVINGS FOR US TAXPAYERS TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER COMMENT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, NEXT I HAVE DANELLE RES EVENING COUNSEL. I'M JANELLE RAOS, UH, RESIDENT OF FIVE YEARS, UH, MARRIED TO A RESIDENT OF 16 YEARS. UM, SO MOST OF Y'ALL KIND OF SEE US ON FACEBOOK AND EVERYWHERE, UH, KNOW OUR STRUGGLES. BUT THE REAL STRUGGLE THAT'S HAPPENING IN CITY KYLE IS DISCONNECTEDNESS. SO I'M GONNA GO A LITTLE ELEMENTARY AND, UH, BEAR WITH ME. FAR DOWN IN THE HEART OF KYLE MARKETPLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE RUNNING TO KEEP UP THE PACE. THERE'S A PATH THAT WE BUILT NOT FOR CORPORATE ELITE, BUT TO LINK UP THE NEIGHBORHOODS BLOCK BY BLOCK STREET BY STREET. THEY CALL IT THE VIBE. AND IT STRETCHES OUT WIDE WHERE FAMILIES CAN TRAVEL AND WALK SIDE BY SIDE, EVEN IF, IF IT IS 10 FEET. UM, NOW SOME FOLKS IN OFFICE JUST LOOK AT THE LINE AND THINK OF A TRAIL AS A CORPORATE SIGN. THEY WANT IT FOR SHOW OR A KLOSSY DISPLAY, BUT TO BRUSH ALL THOSE STRUGGLES OF WORKERS AWAY. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOW INCOME WHO WALK ON BEBE AND GO FORTH AND DACY WITHOUT THE SIDEWALK WITH THE LIGHTS. UM, SO LOOK AT THE ASPHALT. SO SHINY AND NEW BUILT FOR MEN, BUILT MAINLY FOR FOLKS WITH A HIGH PAYING VIEW. BUT TRAIL SHOULDN'T JUST BE FOR THE WEALTHY AND GRAND WHO SIT HIGH IN TOWERS AND LOOK DOWN THE LAND. A TRAIL IS A BRIDGE FOR A WORKING CLASS SOUL TO HELP KEEP A NEIGHBORHOOD FILLING WHOLE FOR MOMS WORKING SHIFTS AND THE KIDS DOWN THE STREET WHO NEED A SAFE PATH WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN MEET. IMAGINE WHERE THE LOW INCOME HOME HAS A SAFE LIT UP PATH WHERE CHILDREN CAN ROAM, NOT BLOCKED OFF BY HIGH FENCES OR GATED OFF YARDS, NOT SLICED UP BY TRAFFIC. AND CORPORATE GUARDS. A PATHWAY THAT CONNECTS EVERY SIDE OF TOWN WHERE NO WORKING FAMILY IS PUSHED. STEPPING DOWN FROM EAST SIDE TO WEST, LET THE PATHWAY EXTEND WHERE A STRANGER CAN TURN INTO A FAMILY AND FRIEND. AND I THINK WE'RE MISSING THAT COMMUNITY IN CITY OF KYLE. I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT ON FACEBOOK, THE NEGATIVITY. I WAS PART OF THAT LAST WEEK, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I THINK WE ARE, WE'RE LACKING SOMETHING. AND I THINK IT'S CALLED EMPATHY OR JUST GETTING DOWN TO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE LOW INCOME AND POOR IN THE CITY OF KYLE WITH NO SOCIAL SERVICES. SO TO WALK TO THE STORE OR TO TAKE A FRESH BREATH WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WALLETS OR FINANCIAL DEATH. WHEN Y'ALL CUT THAT UBER FROM THREE 14 TO FIVE, IT MAY NOT BEEN MUCH TO YOU, BUT A DOLLAR 86 MEANT SOMETHING TO ME. AND THAT'S MULTIPLE RIDES A WEEK. SO WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT, WELL WALLET IT'S OR FINANCIAL DEATH, A TRAIL FOR MANY, NOT JUST FOR THE FEW WHERE COMMUNITY BUILDS SOMETHING HONEST AND TRUE. SO LET'S SHAPE UP THE VIBE SO IT SERVES EVERYONE FROM THE RISING OF DAWN TO THE SETTING OF SUN. LET IT BRIDGE EVERY GAP. LET IT PULL PEOPLE NEAR TO QUIET. THE WORRIES, THE PRESSURE, THE FEAR FOR A TOWN ISN'T STRONG BECAUSE BUILDINGS ARE TALL. IT IS STRONG WHEN THE PATHWAY IS OPEN TO ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FORMS. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THEN IF YOU CAN FILL OUT A COMMENT FORM. OKAY, UP NEXT I HAVE BETTY CONLEY. HI, MY NAME'S BETTY CONLEY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND STAFF. MY ONLY CONCERN AND, AND BIG CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOR THE YOUNG AND THE OLD, THE DISABLED BY PUTTING A VIBE THAT'S 12 FEET WITH BIKERS GOING DOWN AND GOLF CARTS. WHERE IS THE PLACE FOR THE DISABLED? WHERE IS THE PLACE WITH THE MOM, WITH THE STROLLER AND THE KIDS TO FEEL SAFE ON THAT SAME SIDEWALK? WHERE IS THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE MAKING IT EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR THE DISABLED? THAT IS WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE VIBE, [00:40:01] WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT EXTENDS AND WATCHES OUT FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NO MORE FORMS. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK BEFORE I CLOSE? CITIZEN'S COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS UP NEXT [III.1) Receive a report, hold a discussion, and provide staff feedback regarding the scope re-evaluations for Center Street on-system and off-system projects as part of the 2022 Road Bond program including but not limited to the following discussion points:  Original and current project budget, including expenditures incurred to date, encumbrances and obligations, and remaining available project budget  General project improvements including road, pedestrian facilities, illumination, signage, intersection improvements, utility relocations, etc.  Status of easement and right-of-way acquisition  Impacts on properties, public parking spaces, drainage, and others from the construction of the 12-foot Vybe Trail and the construction of the 6-foot sidewalk  ] WE HAVE CONSIDER IMPOSSIBLE ACTION. WE'RE GONNA RECEIVE A REPORT, HOLD A DISCUSSION, AND PROVIDE STAFF FEEDBACK REGARDING THE SCOPE REEVALUATIONS FOR CENTER STREET, ON SYSTEM AND OFF SYSTEM PROJECTS AS PART OF THE 2022 ROAD BOND PROGRAM, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING DISCUSSION POINTS, ORIGINAL AND CURRENT PROJECT BUDGET, INCLUDING EXPENDITURES INCURRED TO DATE, ENCUMBRANCES AND OBLIGATIONS, AND REMAINING AVAILABLE PROJECT BUDGET, GENERAL PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING ROAD PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, ILLUMINATION SIGNAGE, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, UTILITY RELOCATIONS, ET CETERA, STATUS OF EASEMENT AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IMPACTS ON PROPERTIES, PUBLIC PARKING SPACES, DRAINAGE, AND OTHERS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIX FOOT, UH, SIDEWALK ITEM PRESENTER IS GONNA BE LEON, BARB, GOOD EVENING MAYOR. COUNCIL LEON, BARB IS CITY ENGINEER, MAYOR, AND COUNCIL. WE HAVE OVER 40 SLIDES TO SHOW YOU. SOMEONE GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO RICK CLAP. HE'S WITH TER, THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WAS SELECTED TO MANAGE OUR ROAD BOND PROGRAMS. THANKS LEON. UM, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS IS LEON STATED. I'M RICK KLATT, UH, THE CGEC PROGRAM MANAGER. UH, AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CURRENT CENTER STREET PROJECT AND SOME POTENTIAL, UH, CHANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL AS THE STATUS OF THE, UH, OF THE PROJECT IN GENERAL. SO, UM, YEAH, UM, , YES, WE DO, WE'LL DO THAT ALL OVER AGAIN. IT, THIS IS THE WRONG PRESENTATION. SAY THAT DID NOT LOOK LIKE IT. . YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WING IT. . OKAY. THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT NOW. SO, UM, SO, SO TONIGHT, AS I STATED, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT CENTER STREET DESIGN FEATURES BOTH, UH, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, PROPOSED AND ALSO SOME POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES. UH, ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE REAL QUICK WAS JUST, UH, DURING THE 2022 ROAD BOND PROPOSITION, A, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE YOU TALKED ABOUT AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT SPECIFICALLY WENT THROUGH AND, AND TALKED ABOUT STREETS, BRIDGES AND, AND SIDEWALKS AND LEVYING TAXES AND FOR PAYMENT THEREOF, UH, IT DID NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY MENTION A FIVE TRAIL. BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. UH, A LITTLE BIT OF PROJECT BACKGROUND. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS PART OF THE 2022 ROAD BOND PROJECTS. UH, CENTER STREET WILL IMPROVE, UM, OLD CENTER STREET FROM OLD STAGE COACH ROAD TO MAIN STREET. AND THE PROJECT IS DIVIDED INTO TWO SEGMENTS. UH, WE'VE GOT CENTER STREET OFF SYSTEM, UH, WHICH IS FROM OLD STAGE COACH ROAD TO VETERANS DRIVE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, THE SECOND PORTION, WHICH IS CENTER STREET ON SYSTEM FROM VETERANS DRIVE TO MAIN STREET. JUST FOR CONTEXT, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION TO SOME DEGREE ON THE, UH, THE CENTER STREET OFF PORTION. UM, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS CONSUL HAS ASKED US, UH, TO PREPARE AND PRESENT A PRESENTATION TO REVIEW THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE PROPERTY IMPACTS, UH, POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS IS ON THE, UH, CENTER STREET CORRIDOR. UM, ADDITIONAL PROJECT BACKGROUND KIND OF A DEFINITION HERE, UH, FOR MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, AND ATTENDEES HERE TONIGHT. UH, WHEN WE REFER TO AN OFF SYSTEM OR ON SYSTEM FACILITY, AN ON SYSTEM PROJECTS ARE, UH, STATE-OWNED PROJECTS, UH, THAT ARE EITHER MAINTAINED IN WHOLE OR IN PART BY, UH, UM, THE STATE AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND THEN AN OFF SYSTEM PROJECT IS A, UH, LOCALLY OWNED AND LOCALLY MAINTAINED, UH, STREET OR ROADWAY, UH, CENTER, STREET OFF SYSTEM, UM, KIND OF SOME OF THE, THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED ELEMENTS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE OFF SYSTEM PORTION. SO THIS IS FROM OLD STAGE COACH ROAD DOWN TO VETERANS DRIVE. IT'S PROPOSED AS A THREE LANE ROADWAY CONFIGURATION, UH, WITH A CENTER TURN LANE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF 14 FEET. UM, AS WELL AS, UM, WELL, I'M SORRY, I'LL STEP BACK JUST FOR A SECOND HERE. IT'S CURRENTLY, IT'S A THREE LANE SECTION. UH, IT'S GOT, UH, TWO 12 FOOT LANES AND A 14 FOOT, UH, CENTER TURN LANE. AND THEN EXPANSION, UH, IS GONNA BE CONDUCTED WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, SO THE EXISTING OUT TO OUT. UH, WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING THAT, WE'RE JUST MAINTAINING THAT WITH THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, SECTION. UH, THE [00:45:01] CURRENT, THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES, AS WE MENTIONED, A 12 FOOT FIVE TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE AND A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, OF THE ROADWAY. UH, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A MID-BLOCK CROSSING, UH, JUST WEST OF FALCON STREET, UH, CURRENTLY UTILITY RELOCATION, UH, AND CONVERSION FROM OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND AS PROPOSED. HOWEVER, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS BEING REEVALUATE AND CONSIDERED, UH, TO, UH, TO MAINTAIN OVERHEAD. UM, SOME OTHER ELEMENTS, UH, OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING INTO THE PROPOSED DESIGN, UH, AT THE ROUNDABOUT PRIMARILY IS WE'RE INCORPORATING, UH, RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEACONS, ALSO KNOWN AS RF BS AT EACH ROUNDABOUT LEG. THIS IS FOR, UH, A PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS SIGNALIZATION, UH, SPEED HUMP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT. UM, WE ARE REMOVING THE, WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE A SLIP LANE, UH, AT THE ROUNDABOUT LOCATION, PRIMARILY LOCATED AT THE, UH, UH, I'LL CALL IT THE NORTH NORTHEAST CORNER, KIND OF, OF THE ROUNDABOUT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT CORNERS. BUT, UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, PROPOSED TO REALIGN THE VIBE TRAIL TO PULL IT AWAY FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY THE RIGHT OF WAY AND, UH, CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY WITH THE, UH, THE AREA THAT'S BEEN VACATED BY THE, UH, UH, THE ACTUAL SLIP LANE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE'RE ALSO, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, INCORPORATING A MASONRY FENCE, UM, AROUND THAT CORNER ONCE AGAIN, KIND OF IN THE, UM, THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT AREA. UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, UH, THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, AND, UH, SEVERAL ROUNDABOUTS IN THE CITY, KYLE, ARE CURRENTLY BEING REEVALUATE IN THIS, THIS ROUNDABOUT HERE AT OLD STAGE COACH ROAD AND CENTER STREET IS, IS ONE OF THOSE. UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CURRENT, UM, CENTER STREET OFF SYSTEM BUDGET. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING, UM, I'D LIKE YOU TO SORT OF IGNORE, I GUESS FOR THE MOMENT, THE OBLIGATED COSTS AND AS WELL AS THE SPENT TO DATE. UM, WE, AND IT HAS SOME OTHER CHANGES HERE AS WELL. SO THE ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT WAS SET FORWARD FORTH FOR, UH, CENTER STREET OFF WAS 12.3 MILLION. UM, SETTING ASIDE FOR THE MOMENT, THE OBLIGATED COST AND THE AMOUNT SPENT TO DATE, UM, MOVING DOWN TO THE CURRENT PROJECTED COST, THAT ACTUAL AMOUNT WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION AS WE'RE ESTIMATING, AND IT WAS THE SAME ESTIMATED THAT WAS PROVIDED BACK IN JULY. UH, THE PROGRAM COST FOR CENTER STREET OFF IS APPROXIMATELY 29 MILLION. SO WITH THAT, IT WOULD HAVE A REMAINING AVAILABLE BUDGET OF ACTUALLY, UH, IT'D BE A NEGATIVE $16.7 MILLION. SO WE'RE $16.7 MILLION OVER THE ORIGINAL BUDGETED COST FOR CENTER STREET OFF. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I KNOW IT'S, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CHANGES, BUT, SO IF WE PROCEED AS IS RIGHT NOW WITH THE VIBE GOING DOWN CENTER STREET, YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA BE SHORT 16.7 MILLION IF WE PROCEED WITH THE VIBE OR JUST THE, WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION? CURRENT CONFIGURATION, THERE'S, THERE'S BASICALLY IT'S $16.7 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED BACK IN 2022, THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FOR, FOR THIS PORTION OF CENTER STREET. SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THERE WE MAY BE COMING IN LESS THAN WE, WE HAD PLANNED. THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE THAT WE'RE COMING IN SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN, THAN WHAT THE INITIAL, UH, COST ESTIMATES WERE. DO WE KNOW WHERE THOSE SHORTAGES COME FROM? UH, WHERE THE OVERRUNS ARE COMING FROM? MM-HMM . UH, I, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS WOULD BE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE THE UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION. WAS THAT NOT FACTORED IN ORIGINALLY? UH, IT WAS FACTORED IN, BUT NOT TO THE DEGREE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. UH, SO I WANNA GO THROUGH KIND OF THE, THE CURRENT CENTER STREET OFF TYPICAL SECTIONS. UH, AS I STATED BEFORE, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, RIGHT NOW HAS A SIDEWALK ON THE, UH, THEY'D CALL IT THE NORTH SIDE, A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. AND THERE'S A, UH, TWO 12 FOOT LANES AND A 12 FOOT CENTER TURN LANE. AND UNDER THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, WE WOULD ADD THE ADDITIONAL, OR WIDEN, I GUESS, TO BASICALLY THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK TO A VIBE TRAIL, UH, INCORPORATING ALSO A BUFFER ZONE, A THREE AND A HALF FOOT BUFFER ZONE, AND THEN A, THAT'S A TWO FOOT, UH, TWO FOOT CURVE OFFSET. SO BASICALLY FROM THE ACTUAL FACE OF CURB, UH, LIPID GUTTER TO THE, UM, THE VIBE TRAIL WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A HALF FEET. UH, WE WOULD REDUCE THE, UNDER THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, REDUCE THE, UH, THE LANE WIDTHS FROM 12 TO 11, BUT THEN ADD THAT ADDITIONAL TWO FEET TO THE, UH, TO THE CENTER TURN LANE, THE TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE. [00:50:01] UH, IN ADDITION, WE'D ALSO ADD OR PROPOSING TO ADD A, UH, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTER STREET, AND THEN AS WELL AS PROVIDING THAT TWO FOOT CURB AND GUTTER SECTION. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE 12 FEET FACTORED IN HERE, BUT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A BUFFER OF TWO FEET ON EACH SIDE AND THEN A TOTAL OF 20 FEET FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. IS THAT ALL GONNA BE FACTORED INTO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? UM, I, I GUESS AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE GO, JUST YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A ORDINANCE FOR A BUFFER? YEAH, THE VIBE ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT A TWO FOOT BUFFER ON EACH SIDE. RIGHT. AS WELL AS A 28 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT. YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THIS, ACCOMMODATES THAT TWO FOOT BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE, YES. BUT THEN NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, BLESS YOU. I GUESS I'M NOT SURE QUITE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AS FAR AS THE RIGHT OF WAY. SORRY. UM, SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THE VIBE ORDINANCE, UH, LAST SATURDAY OR THE SATURDAY BEFORE LAST. AND WE HAD NOTICED NOT ONLY WAS THERE LIKE THE BUFFER, SO NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT 16 FEET, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A REQUIREMENT OF 20 FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. NOT THAT'S ALL 20 IS A TOTAL, RIGHT. SO INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT IT AT THE 16, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, LIKE IF WE WANNA CHANGE THE ORDINANCE OR UPDATE IT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH JASON MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY ABIDING BY. YES, CORRECT. YEAH, PLEASE. SO, YES, UH, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A RIGHT OF WAY BE ACTUALLY DEDICATED A RIGHT OF WAY. UM, SO THAT'S IN, I BELIEVE THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT'S GENERALLY NOT HOW THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. UM, I'VE SEEN IT DONE AS EASEMENTS, UM, GENERALLY, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'VE KIND OF MOVED AWAY FROM THE, THE RIDE OF WAY ASPECT OF IT. UM, MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT IN THE PLANNING PHASES AND THE, AND THE PLATING STAGE TO DEDICATE THAT AS RIDE AWAY AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MOVE THAT TRAIL, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO KIND OF UNWIND IT ONCE YOU DEDICATE IT TO THE PUBLIC. SO, UM, IF WE ARE TALKING CHANGES, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT, UM, LONG TERM. BUT RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT CURRENT ORDINANCE IS DEDICATED AS RIGHTWAY. YES, MA'AM. AND MAYOR, I WILL ADD SPEAKING TO THE 20 FEET. SO THAT'S UNDER GREENFIELD CONDITIONS WHERE THERE IS NO OTHER, YOU KNOW, NO OTHER STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING BUILT. AND SO WE COULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER ON RAW LAND TO DEDICATE THE FULL 20 FEET AND THE 20 FEET WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE TWO FEET. UM, THE BUFFERS ON EITHER SIDE AS WELL AS LIGHTING AND, UH, BENCHES AND OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT'S JUST IN THE IDEAL SITUATION WHERE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN THE WAY OF THE VIBE TRAIL, I BELIEVE THAT 20 FEET WAS ALSO INTENDED SO THAT ON LONG STRETCHES IT COULD BE MORE SERPENTINE AND, AND SLIGHTLY WINDING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. WELL, IT, I DON'T THINK IT SPECIFIES THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO TIGHTEN THIS UP, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE IDEALLY WAS AN IDEA, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE DOWN, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW . UNDERSTOOD. UM, I GUESS THE NEXT SEC SECTION HERE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS THE, UH, I GUESS THE UTILITIES, THE CURRENT UTILITIES THAT, WHAT ARE WITHIN THAT CENTER STREET OFF PORTION? UH, WE HAVE, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING NON JOINT BID UTILITIES. BASICALLY IT'S UTILITIES THAT THE, UH, PROVIDER TO RELOCATE. UH, I DO WANNA POINT OUT, WE HAD THAT FIRST ONE THAT PERELLIS, THAT PEC LINE. UM, IF, IF WE GO AND WE PUT PEC UNDERGROUND, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE DOING AS PART OF THE PROJECT, A PORTION OF THAT WORK, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL THE CIVIL WORK OR THE DRY UTILITY WORK, WHICH IS THE CONDUIT AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, CONCRETE PADS FOR THEIR SWITCH GEAR AND ALL THEIR ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. SO THAT'S A PORTION THAT WE WOULD DO AND OUR PROPOSED TO DO CURRENTLY UNDER THE, THE CURRENT DESIGN. SO, UH, IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S KIND OF A, A PORTION THAT WE DO AND A PORTION THAT PEC DOES. UH, THE OTHER UTILITIES ARE CENTER POINT GAS AT AND T, CHARTER SPECTRUM, AND THEN FRONTIER, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE CALLING JOINT BID, WHICH IS BASICALLY, UH, UTILITIES THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED WITHIN ARE PART OF THE PROJECT. UH, WE HAVE THE, THE TWO CITY OF KYLE, UH, WASTEWATER LINES AND WATER LINES. SO, UH, CURRENT CENTER STREET OFF FIVE TRAIL CONCEPT, AS I KIND OF MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S, UH, IT'S CURRENTLY PLANNED TO BE, UH, ILLUMINATED. IT'D BE LIT LIGHTING, UH, 12 FOOT WIDE STRUCTURE WITH TWO FOOT CLEAR ZONES. UM, AND WE ESTIMATE THE, UH, THE COST OF DOING THE, UH, VIBE TRAIL CONCEPT AT ABOUT $879,000. SO $880,000 FOR THE CENTER STREET OFF PORTION. UM, LITTLE SUMMARY ON CENTER STREET OFF, UH, FIVE [00:55:01] TRAIL CONCEPT RIGHT OF WAY STATUS, UM, ON CENTER STREET OFF, ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE, UH, OFF SYSTEM PROJECT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED. SO ALL THE PARCELS REQUIRED FOR THE VIBE TRAIL, UM, ARE, ARE ACQUIRED. UM, AND THIS JUST KIND OF GOES INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF THE, UH, UM, THE ACTUAL PARCELS THAT WERE ACQUIRED, UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY PARCEL, JUST LET ME KNOW. I WANT ME TO JUMP THROUGH THESE TOO FAST. UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SLIDE SHOWING THE, UH, UM, THE PARCELS ASSOCIATED WITH THE VI TRAIL. UM, NEXT THING IS CENTER STREET OFF FIVE TRAIL CONCEPT IMPACTS. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED 12 FOOT FIVE TRAIL IS, YOU KNOW, IT DOES INCREASE IN PREVIOUS COVER, UM, IN ORDER THAT THE PROJECT ITSELF HAS TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF AND THE ADDITIONAL, UM, DETENTION OR WATER QUALITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, AND ALSO DUE TO THE, THE LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AND ACCOMMODATING THE VI TRAIL, WE HAD TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, DRAINAGE CONCRETE LINE CHANNELS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED DESIGN. SO THAT'S CURRENTLY, UH, INCLUDED. UM, AS FAR AS PARKING, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PARKING, WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE TRAIL WOULD IMPACT OR NOT IMPACT. THERE IS NO IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH PARKING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN THE CENTER STREET OFF PORTION. SO TWO THINGS. COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY WHAT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS? AND THEN, UM, AFTER THAT, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THE DRAINAGE AND IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ISSUES? A ABSOLUTELY. SO BASICALLY IMPERVIOUS COVER, WHEN I, WHEN I SAY THAT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, CONCRETE, RIGHT WHEN RAINS AND WATERFALLS AND STORM WATER HITS THAT CONCRETE PAVEMENT THERE, THAT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. IT, IT HITS THE PAVEMENT AND IT RUNS OFF TO THE SIDE, IT RUNS OFF DOWN TO THE CHANNEL, DOWN INTO THE STORM SEWER OR WHATNOT. IT ALL RUNS OFF AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT HAS, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, PERVIOUS TYPE COVER, LIKE A GRASSED SECTION OF, OF, UH, OF LAWN, RIGHT? IT'LL RAIN, IT'LL, IT'LL BE ABLE TO SOAK INTO THE GROUND TO SOME DEGREE. IT'LL EVENTUALLY GET SATURATED AND IT'LL, IT'LL RUN OFF AT A HUNDRED PERCENT. BUT, UH, UM, THAT'S, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE IN, I GUESS THE, UH, UH, SURFACE FINISH, I GUESS OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, GRASS AS OPPOSED TO CONCRETE. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. DOES THAT CLARIFY THAT? YEAH, I KNOW WHAT IT MEANT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ELSE I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE, UH, NOT WHAT IT MEANS IS IT DOESN'T ABSORB WATER. IT DOESN'T, AND SO I KNOW SOME OF THIS VIBE GOES ALONG PLUM CREEK. YES. AND PLUM CREEK IS OUR WASTEWATER OUTLET. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF THAT WATER IS DIVERTED TO THE PLUM CREEK AREA, THAT LIMITS THE WASTEWATER THAT WE AS RESIDENTS AND KYLE CAN PUT INTO THAT WASTEWATER OUTLET. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN CONCRETE AND, AND NATURAL, UM, TRAILS. RIGHT. UM, AND I THINK AT ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT MAKING ALL JUST CONCRETE. SOME OF IT WOULD BE CRUSHED GRANITE, SOME WOULD, DEPENDING ON THE ENVIRONMENT, IT WOULDN'T ALL BE 12 FOOT CONCRETE. SO GOING DOWN CENTER STREET, UM, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THIS CITY TO HANDLE THE DRAINAGE? UM, A GOOD PORTION OF THE CENTER STREET OFF PROJECT ACTUALLY DRAINS, UH, WE'LL CALL IT TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST INTO A DETENTION POND. SO WE'VE GOT A PROPOSED DETENTION POND THAT BASICALLY MITIGATES THE, UH, UH, THE RUNOFF SO THAT OUR, WE CALL IT THE, THE PRE RUNOFF, THE, THE QUANTITY OF WA WATER QING FEET PER SECOND, UM, IS, UH, THE PROPOSED, I GUESS IS, IS EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN WHAT WOULD CURRENTLY RUN OFF. SO WE'RE HAVING TO, TO MITIGATE THAT VIA DETENTION POND. UM, JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CENTER STREET ON PORTION THOUGH, UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY INHERENT, UM, DETENTION IN THAT, AND WE ARE ACCOMMODATING THAT WITH BASICALLY ENSURING THAT THE DOWNSTREAM, UM, CHANNELS AND RECEIVING, UH, CHANNELS HAS THE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY. SO THERE IS NO DETENTION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DETENTION WITHIN THE PIPE SYSTEM ITSELF, BUT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART THERE, THERE ISN'T, UH, DETENTION. SO, OKAY. UM, KIND OF GOING THROUGH AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UH, TYPICAL SECTIONS AS I MENTIONED, THE TOP SECTION THERE IS EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, AND THE PROPOSED, THE, THE MIDDLE LAYER IS THE PROPOSED CONDITION. SO THAT'S WITH THE VIBE TRAIL, THREE AND A HALF FOOT BUFFER AND THE TWO FOOT CURB OFFSETS AND THE SIDEWALK ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING THERE IS ON THE, THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE SORT OF THE PROPOSED, [01:00:01] UH, REVISED PEDESTRIAN FACILITY. SO, UH, CONVERSION OF THE, UH, UH, 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL TO THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, AS WELL AS PUSHING THE, THE SIDEWALK ITSELF UP AGAINST THE, UH, UH, THE BACK OF CURB, UH, FOR, UH, WE ARE SHOWING THAT THE, UH, THE OVERHEAD POLES, I MEAN, SO, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, TO LEAVE THE, UH, EXISTING UTILITIES OVERHEAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT BY, BY SKINNING UP THE LIVE TRAIL AND TURNING INTO A SIDEWALK. SO, UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, ANOTHER SUMMARY. SO IT'S JUST NOW LOOKING AT EXISTING TO PROPOSE. SO, UH, CENTER STREET OFF SIDEWALK CONCEPT, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED HERE, UH, JUST A KIND OF A, UH, CLOSER IN LOOK. SO FIVE TRAIL TO A SIDEWALK, THE 12 FOOT, UH, FIVE TRAIL WOULD REDUCE TO SIX FOOT. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT'D BE REMOVING THE THREE AND A HALF FOOT BUFFER, UH, PLUS PUTS THE, UH, SIDEWALK DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CURB. UM, LITTLE SUMMARY ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, REDUCING THE TRAIL TO A SIDEWALK AND USING THE ACQUIRED RIGHT RIGHT OF WAY CREATES NO ADDED PROPERTY IMPACTS. UM, THIS WOULD, UH, ALLOW, UH, FOR DRAINAGE EFFICIENCIES. SO SOME CHANGES IN THE DESIGN OF THE DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY TAKING OUT SOME OF THAT CONCRETE LINE CHANNEL AND, AND REPLACING IT WITH, UH, JUST GRASS LINED. UM, AND ALSO, UH, REDUCING THE, THE VIBE OR, OR CHANGING THE VIBE TO A SIDEWALK, UM, WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PC EASEMENTS AND, UH, WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, TO MAINTAIN PC AND OTHER UTILITIES OVERHEAD, UH, CENTER STREET, OFF SYSTEM, SIDEWALK, UH, RIGHT OF WAY CONCEPT. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF SHOWING, UM, THE, UH, THE VIBE TRAIL, UH, NOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AND THEN PUSHED UP AGAINST THE, UH, UM, THE BACK OF CURB AND THE SAME THING, BUT ON THE, THE OTHER PORTION HERE. SO, UM, SO JUST KIND OF SOME, UH, SIDEWALK CONCEPT DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS, SORT OF A SUMMARY DRAINAGE IMPACTS IN CONSIDERATION. UM, GOING TO THE, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALK OPTION WOULD DECREASE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, POTENTIALLY MINIMIZE THE CONCRETE LINE CHANNEL THAT WE REQUIRED OUT THERE. I WOULD ADD SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE, UH, WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE, UH, WITH THE CURRENT ACQUIRED RIGHT AWAY. UH, REMOVING SIX FOOT OF TRAIL ALLOWS FOR, UH, ALSO ALLOWS FOR MAINTAINED OVERHEAD UTILITIES WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. SO, UH, DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT IF WE KEPT IT AT A 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL, THAT, UM, A, WE'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND ACQUIRE OUR ADDITIONAL, UM, EASEMENTS FOR THE PEC. UM, SO JUST WANNA MAKE THAT POINT. AND THEN PARKING, UH, IMPACTS, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THERE WAS NO CHANGES TO, UH, TO PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, UM, ANY KIND OF REDUCTION IN THE VIBE TRAIL. SORT OF A SUMMARY OF THE, UH, COST SAVINGS. UM, SO COST SAVINGS TO GO FROM A, A VIBE TRAIL TO A SIDEWALK OR APPROXIMATELY 614,000, UH, POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS FOR MAINTAINING PEC OVERHEAD AS OPPOSED TO GOING UNDERGROUND IS ROUGHLY, UH, 4.8 MILLION. UM, AND WE'VE GOT SOME COST SAVINGS AND NOT HAVING TO ACQUIRE A FEW REMAINING PEC EASEMENTS OF AROUND $80,000. AND THEN WE HAD, WE HAVE SOME ADDED DESIGN COSTS, UM, COMING IN ABOUT $45,000. SO JUST A ONCE AGAIN SUMMARY OF THE, UH, CENTER STREET OFFICES IN TYPICAL SECTIONS. SO I WON'T GET INTO ANY DETAIL UNLESS YOU HAD ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. UM, AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO, UH, TO MOVE OVER TO THE CENTER STREET ON PORTION. UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE CENTER STREET ON PORTION IS, UH, FROM VETERANS, UH, DRIVE OVER TO, UH, UH, MAIN STREET. SO, UM, ROADWAY FOOTPRINT WIDENED, UM, IT, IT WOULD BE, UH, BASICALLY ME MAINTAINING THE, UH, UH, THREE LANE CONFIGURATION. IT WOULD INCLUDE THE, UH, UH, A 14 FOOT, UH, CENTER TURN LANE, UH, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL, NOT ADDITIONAL, BUT IT WOULD BE, UH, SOME, UH, LEFT TURN LANES AT, UH, THE INTERSECTIONS. UM, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC [01:05:01] SIGNAL PLANNED, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT DESIGN AT THE VETERANS AND CENTER STREET INTERSECTION. UM, CURRENT, CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN, IT DOES INCLUDE THE 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UH, AND THEN UTILITY RELOCATION AND CONVERSION FROM, UH, OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND. UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BEING, UH, REEVALUATED AND LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED, UH, IF THAT'S THE APPROACH TO, UH, TO CONTINUE WITH. SO HERE'S SOME TYPICAL SECTIONS, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS. UH, THERE'S TWO 13 FOOT LANES CURRENTLY OUT THERE TODAY, UH, WITH THE SIDEWALK, UH, ROUGHLY A, A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE. UNDER THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, WE WOULD, UH, UH, ADD THE ADDITIONAL LEFT OR CENTER TURN LANE TO A LEFT TURN LANE, UH, 14 FOOT. UH, REDUCE THE CURRENT LANE WIDTHS FROM 13 DOWN TO TO 11, UH, AND THEN ADD A, UH, VIBE TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE, 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL. ONCE AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE A, UH, ROUGHLY A, A THREE AND A THIRD FOOT, UH, BUFFER AREA AND A TWO FOOT CURB GUTTER SECTION ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THEN, UM, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE WE'D HAVE A GREEN SPACE, AND THEN THE ADDITION OF A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, UH, CENTER STREET ON BUDGET. UH, ONCE AGAIN, I WANT YOU TO, UH, SET ASIDE THE OBLIGATED COSTS AND THE AMOUNT SPENT TO DATE. UM, AND I DO WANNA UPDATE, UH, SOME OF THESE COSTS. OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR CENTER STREET ON WAS 10.2 MILLION. OUR CURRENT PROJECTED ESTIMATE, UH, IS IN LIEU OF THE, INSTEAD OF THE 8.7 IS 12 MILLION, WHICH WAS ONCE AGAIN WAS THE AMOUNT THAT I, UH, WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD BACK IN JULY PROGRAM UPDATE. UM, AND THIS HAS LEAVES US WITH A REMAINING BUDGET OF A NEGATIVE 1.8, UH, MILLION ON THE CENTER STREET, ON PORTION CENTER STREET ON, UM, UTILITIES. UM, ONCE AGAIN JOINT BID. UH, WE'VE GOT THE, UH, UH, PEC THAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED IS A PORTION CONSTRUCTED, UH, AS PART OF THE PROJECT, AND A PORTION THAT WOULD BE, UH, CON, UH, CONSTRUCTED BY PEC. IN ADDITION TO THE PEC, WE'VE GOT CENTER POINT GAS AT AND T CHARTER SPECTRUM FRONTIER FIBER LIGHT, UH, MCI, UH, VERIZON. AND THEN JOINT BID UTILITIES. ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE, UH, CITY KYLE WASTEWATER AND WATER LINES INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT, UH, CENTER STREET ON SYSTEM VIBE, TRAIL CONCEPT, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT, TO THE RY OFF, BUT IT'S PROPOSED AS ILLUMINATED 12 FOOT WIDE STRUCTURE WITH TWO FOOT CLEAR ZONES. WE HAVE A, UH, ESTIMATED COST FOR THE VIBE TRAIL OF APPROXIMATELY 640,000. NO, UH, RIGHT AWAY STATUS. WE HAVE ALL BUT ONE OF THE PARCELS ACQUIRED FOR THE CENTER STREET ON SYSTEM PROJECT. UM, AND THE ONE THAT'S REMAINING, UM, IS A, UH, A FRONTIER. THERE'S A, A PROPERTY OWNED BY GENERAL TELEPHONE COMPANY. IT'S KIND OF LOCATED, I THINK IT'S PARCEL NUMBER 16 IDENTIFIED THERE. OTHERWISE ALL THE PARCELS ARE, HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED. UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT PEC, WE WERE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, DOING FINALIZED DESIGN FOR PEC AND THERE, THERE COULD BE, IF WE REMAIN OR WE PROPOSE OR REMAIN, UH, UNDERGROUND, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL PEC EASEMENTS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED, REQUIRED, UH, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, TO BRING FORWARD. SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT. OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. UM, I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS AND I, I'M LOOKING AT THE VIBE DASHBOARD RIGHT NOW AND, UM, THE VIBE DOES NOT CONNECT EAST TO WEST DOWN CENTER STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? EAST TO WEST DOWN CENTER STREET, MM-HMM . SO GOING, UM, ONE 50 EAST TO ONE 50 WEST? THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR, IT, UH, IT TAKES A, BASICALLY A LEFT TURN ON BURLESON AND, AND PROCEEDS DOWN BURLESON TO, UM, THE WORD PLACE PROPERTY. AND THEN IT'S PLANNED TO CROSS UNDER I 35 AT THAT POINT. OKAY. I, AND I WANNA ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE WHAT WE HEARD WERE CONCERNS ABOUT CONNECTION FROM THE EAST AND WEST, BUT DUE TO THE UNION PACIFIC AND TXDOT, THE BRIDGE, IT'S, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET, UM, A VIBE TRAIL OVER THAT UNLESS THEY WIDEN THE BRIDGE. AND I THINK EVEN AT THAT POINT, UNION PACIFIC PROBABLY WOULD NOT ALLOW A TRAIL TO GO OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. UM, AND SO I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I LEARNED WHEN I WAS WITH A RESIDENT [01:10:01] AT, UH, THE PARK A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THAT IT DOES STOP AT MAIN STREET AND THEN THERE IS NO CONNECTION FROM MAIN STREET ALL THE WAY TO ONE 50 ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEN I SAW LIKE THE ONE 50 IS PROPOSED, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA COME ANYTIME SOON. I'M GONNA IMAGINE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE WORK WITH TEXTILE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT COSTS, AND WE'LL PROBABLY LEARN ABOUT THAT, THE TOTAL COST AT ONE OF OUR NEXT MEETINGS. BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND CONFIRM WITH YOU THAT THE VIBE DOES NOT CONNECT EAST TO WEST GOING DOWN CENTER STREET? THAT THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A GAP AND WE'VE GOT THE VIBE TRAIL CURRENTLY PROPOSED FROM, YOU KNOW, OLD STAGE COACH ROAD DOWN CENTER STREET TO, TO MAIN STREET, BUT THEN, YEAH, THERE IS NO CONNECTION, UH, FROM THERE TO THE, TO THE EAST. OKAY. AND SO WHAT IT DOES, IT'S GONNA GO DOWN BURLESON AND FOR ANYBODY WHO USED TO LIVE HERE WAY BACK WHEN, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A FRONTAGE ROAD THAT EXIT THAT YOU COULD EXIT OFF ON TO GET TO BURLESON. AND AT THAT POINT THERE WAS NO ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT'S IN THAT AREA WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PROPOSED, UM, AN UNDER, UH, LIKE A, UNDER THE 35. RIGHT. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE AS I WAS LOOKING AT THAT, IT, I NOTICED IT RUNS PARALLEL TO PLUM CREEK. AND SO WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GET PLUM CREEK CONSERVATION PERMISSION, UM, AS WELL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR WASTEWATER, UM, OUTLET WITH USING THE CONCRETE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE EAST WEST CONNECTION IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I LIVE ON THE EAST, UM, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ON A STRAIGHT ROUTE, BUT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE THAT EVEN IF IN THE EVENT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IT THAT'S NOT GONNA CONNECT BOTH SIDES. THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, YES. OKAY. ANY, OKAY. THAT IS TRUE. AND THAT'S WHEN, I GUESS JUST THE OTHER DAY, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT, I SOMEBODY GOT HIT OH, ON THEIR BIKE. ON THEIR BIKE, RIGHT. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO PLANS FOR THAT SIDE OF TOWN. YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO ON AND ON AND SAY IT'S THE CONNECTIVITY FOR EAST TO WEST, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY, WHAT, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'LL COME, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT NOW. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, THE MAIN FOCUS IS YEAH. AND I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ANYTHING WEST SIDE ONLY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I THINK I'M JUST GONNA ADD SOMETHING REAL QUICK. UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE THE PLANS AS OF NOW, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO KIND OF RE-ENVISION THAT. SO IF WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE EAST TO WEST SIDE CONNECTIVITY, THIS IS THE MOMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT SHOOTING DOWN THE ENTIRE PROJECT ITSELF. SO IF WE FEEL THAT THE CURRENT TRANSITION OFF OF BURLESON THEN CROSSING OVER FURTHER DOWN, IT MAY NOT BE, UH, THE MOST EQUITABLE IN HOW WE ARE DEVELOPING OUR CITY, THEN WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL RIGHT NOW TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT EQUITABLE CONSTRUCTION OF TRAILS AND THE VIBE TRAIL TO DEVELOP. SO I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CONFLATING THE IDEA THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S THIS WAY CURRENTLY, AS IN GOING OFF OF DOWN BURLESON AND NOT CONNECTING EAST TO WEST, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE IT. SO, OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S TRYING TO STOP THE VIBE ALL TOGETHER. I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SENATOR STREET IS NOT A CONNECTING POINT AND THERE IS, THERE ARE PLANS FOR A CONNECTING POINT, WHICH I DO BELIEVE SHOULD BE REEVALUATED AS WELL. BUT, UM, YEAH, CONNECTIVITY IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD EVER GET UNION PACIFIC IN THE TECH.TO WHY DIDN'T THAT ROAD, I MEAN, I'D HATE TO MAKE IT PART OF THE VIBE AND THEN IT CUTS OFF AND NARROWS OUT AND PEOPLE IN GOLF CARTS OR YOU KNOW, ON BIKES THEN HAVE TO ADJUST. RIGHT. THERE WOULD BE CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY CHALLENGES WITH THAT. I AGREE. UM, HAS, HAS ANYBODY HAD A COMMUNICATION WITH UNION PACIFIC TO SEE IF THERE'S AN ISSUE TO CROSS? I'M GONNA LET SOMEONE ELSE STAFF SPEAK TO THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT STAFF REACH OUT TO THEM. YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS, WHICH IS A GREAT POINT. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. UM, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE, UM, BUT, AND, AND PROBABLY HASN'T OCCURRED BECAUSE IT, THE VIBE WASN'T PLANNED TO CROSS AT THAT POINT. UH, THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. UM, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT E EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY, I MEAN, JUST TO, JUST TO KNOW WHETHER THE OPTION EXISTS TO CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK, UH, MAYBE NOT EVEN NECESSARILY AT CENTER STREET, BUT AT, AT SOME POINT ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK, IT MIGHT BE WORTH A PHONE [01:15:01] CALL. YEAH, I THINK THE PROPOSED ONE ON BURLESON DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ROBO TRACK AND THAT'S WHY IT'S OVER THERE. BUT THEN AGAIN, I HAVE MY CONCERNS WITH THE PLUM CREEK, UM, CONSERVATION. SO, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THESE ARE GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND I THINK, I WISH WE WOULD'VE ALREADY HAD THEM AND WE'D HAVE ANSWERS. UM, WELL, BOON CROSSES THE RAILROAD TRACK, SO, UM, OVER, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE PAST BURLESON. IT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE WORD PLACE IS GONNA BE, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACK. I'M SAYING I, WELL, IT, THE, THE CURRENT PLAN WAS FOR IT TO GO UP BURLESON AND THEN ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? RIGHT. IT WOULD BE AT GRADE CROSSING THERE. YES. SO BASICALLY ON THE SIDEWALK THAT'S CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED ON BURLESON, AND THEN IT WOULD CONTINUE, I GUESS THAT'S NORTH, UM, TO THE WORKPLACE PROJECT AND THEN RIGHT. SO IT'S GONNA BE AT THE WORKPLACE PROJECT, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. YES MA'AM. SO NO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON, IT'S GONNA BE AFTER THE RAILROAD TRACKS AROUND PAST THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN IN THAT LITTLE WHERE DEAD ENDS NOW, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA DO THE UNDERPASS. BUT IF YOU WERE LEAVING DOWNTOWN AND HEADING TO WORKPLACE ON A BIKE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. MAYBE STAFF CAN ASK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. YEAH. MM-HMM . RIGHT? I FEEL LIKE WE, WE ALREADY HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE A CROSSING AND MULTIMODAL YEAH. THAT CROSSES THE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AND HAS UNION PACIFIC APPROVED THAT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A TRACK NO IMPROVED THE VIBE GOING OVER THAT TRACK IS WHAT I'M SAYING. ISS WHAT I'M ASKING. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE, WITH UP ABOUT ALSO HAVING GOLF CARTS ON OKAY. , THE, UM, BUT THEY, THEY CAN GOLF CARTS TRAVERSE ON ROADWAYS AS WELL. UM, SO I THINK ANYTHING NEW WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE, UM, TALKED ABOUT WITH UP FOR THEIR PERMISSION, BUT AT THAT, AT THAT POINT, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NEED THEIR INPUT, BUT MM-HMM . AND THEN I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY DID GET $24.4 MILLION TO RELOCATE, WHICH IS EXCITING. WE WON A BIG FEDERAL GRANT TO RELOCATE THE TRAIN FROM STOPPING HERE, AND NOW IT'S GONNA STOP ELSEWHERE. UM, SO THAT IS ALSO GOING TO ALLOW FOR BETTER CONNECTIVITY EAST TO WEST. AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH IT CONSIDERING, UM, WHAT THAT PLAN LOOKS LIKE, ESPECIALLY JUST IN A, IN A MUCH MORE MAJOR CORRIDOR LIKE THIS. UM, AND THAT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY ALLOW FOR THAT EASIER CONNECTION INTO DOWNTOWN. 'CAUSE IF WE TALK ABOUT WANTING TO BUILD A DOWNTOWN WHERE PEOPLE WANNA COME TO, IF WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO GET TO IT, I THINK IT'S ALSO BETTER. AND I THINK IF THERE ARE MINOR GAPS BETWEEN AREAS, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FULLY BUILD OUT THE VIBE TRAIL. I DON'T THINK THOSE MINOR GAPS ARE REASON ENOUGH TO JUST KNOCK DOWN THE ENTIRE PLAN ITSELF. UM, I ALSO THINK IT'S, UH, WORTH CONSIDERING, UH, NOT ONLY HOW THE, UH, STOPPING OF THE TRAIN ELSEWHERE WILL AFFECT THAT, UM, IN COMING YEARS. I ALSO THINK IT'S, UM, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BIGGEST REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THE CITY OF KYLE DOES NOT BUILD, UM, UH, BIKE PATHS IN OUR ROADS. WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE BIKE LANES. AND THAT'S BEEN A MAJOR PROBLEM SINCE A LONG TIME NOW. AND WHEN THE ROAD BOND WAS GETTING PROPOSED, I WAS LIKE, WHERE ARE THE BIKE LANES? LIKE IF WE'RE BUILDING OUT ROADS, WHY AREN'T WE BUILDING BIKE LANES? AND SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY THE VIBE TRAIL IS SO BIG, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR A BICYCLISTS TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND. AND, UM, SPEAKING ABOUT LIKE WORKING CLASS FAMILIES AND LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS, AND THEN ALSO JUST LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, UM, HAVING THE, UH, VIBE TRAIL IMPROVES THOSE THINGS. IT IMPROVES QUALITY OF LIFE, IT IMPROVES THAT CONNECTIVITY. UM, AND IT ALSO LESSENS THE ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN GET, UH, EITHER WALKING OR BIKING, THAT'S ALSO THE MORE CARS THAT YOU HAVE OFF THE ROAD. UM, AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MEASURE THAT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY DO IT. SO IT'S LIKE A SELF-DEFEATING QUESTION. IF WE BEGIN TO ASK OURSELVES WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE BIKE CURRENTLY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO DO SO SAFELY. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, WE'RE NOT LEAVING A FORM. WE'RE, WE'RE REMOVING A FORM OF TRANSPORTATION THAT THE CITY [01:20:01] COULD OTHERWISE HAVE. AND THAT'S ALSO, I THINK WHY IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2022 ROAD BOND IS BECAUSE BIKING AND WALKING ARE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION AND BEING INCLUDED IN THAT ROAD BOND MEANT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THAT. UM, AND SO I JUST, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER THESE THINGS, UM, AS WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF, UH, THE REASON AS TO WHY WE HAVE IT. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE BIKE LANES. ALL OF OUR, UH, UH, ROAD BOND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS DON'T INCLUDE ANY BIKE LANES. UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, REALLY WORTH CONSIDERING. AND WITH THAT SAID, UM, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY ACCORDING, AGAIN, TO THE ORDINANCE, IS THE VIBE SPECIFICALLY STATES IT IS NOT AN INTENDED TO FUNCTION AS AN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S DUE TO THE FACT IF IT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, THERE WOULD BE MORE RULES OR LAWS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY. SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE WHAT IT STARTED OFF AS AND WHAT IT'S MORPHING INTO ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO TO BE FAIR, TO THE COUNCIL, TO THE STAFF AND TO THE RESIDENTS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD IN THE CITY OF KYLE. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS DIVISION. UM, I, I GUESS THE ONE THING I DID WANNA POINT OUT, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION TOO, UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, I GUESS THE CONNECTIVITY FROM WEST TO EAST, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE THE KOHLER'S OVER PAL CALLED ON OVERPASS PROJECT, UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE AT LEAST THAT THAT SEGMENT OF IT WOULD PROVIDE THAT CONNECTIVITY FOR VIBE TRAIL AND SIDEWALKS, PEDESTRIANS AND, AND WHATNOT. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS THE, UH, UM, I GUESS THE GAP, UH, THAT THERE WOULD BE FROM, UH, MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, UP INTO THAT PROJECT. JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. SO, WELL THEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE MAP AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT, THE VIBE DOESN'T REALLY START ON THE EAST SIDE UNTIL IT GETS PASSED. PROBABLY, UH, LIKE TB, TXB. RIGHT. AND SO I'M CONFUSED 'CAUSE THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE. YEAH. UH, THE ORDINANCE STATES, AND I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE ORDINANCE AND I HATE THAT, BUT IT'S, OR IF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND ORDINANCE ORDINANCES LAW, SO IT IS MY DUTY TO FOLLOW THE LAW, RIGHT. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE, WE CAN GO BACK AND CHANGE IT. BUT IT SAYS YOU CAN USE EXISTING ROADS AND AND SIDEWALKS AS PART OF THE VIBE. SO IF, ARE WE DOING THAT ON THE EAST OR 'CAUSE THERE'S SIDEWALKS UP INTO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND I THINK IT'S TXB, AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY'RE GONNA CREATE THE VIBE. RIGHT. UH, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING. SO, UM, IT'D PROBABLY BE BETTER FOR SOMEONE FROM CITY STAFF. I'M NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO OR OVERSEEING OR PART OF THE OVERALL VIBE TRAIL CONCEPT. I'M FOCUSED ON THE, THE ROAD BOND PROJECTS AND WHERE THE VIBE TRAIL IS OR IS NOT WITHIN THE, THE ROAD BOND. SO INSTEAD OF ME SAYING SOMETHING INCORRECTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE CITY THAT, UH, MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT ON THAT. SO, WELL, JASON'S COMING UP, UM, I THOUGHT THAT PROJECT TWO STEP HAD FIVE COMPONENTS, UH, WHICH WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY, LIKE, WITHIN THAT, THAT GAP THEY PROBABLY INTERNAL WRONG. I AM, I'M JUST THINKING ONE 50, LIKE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD. AND I THINK THE VIBE WITHIN THE TWO STEP IS PROBABLY STILL A THING. BUT I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONNECTIVITY FROM EAST TO WEST AND ENSURING THAT THERE'S SIDEWALK, UH, FOR THE VIBE, IT DOESN'T START UNTIL AFTER I THINK TXB. GO AHEAD. UH, YEAH, SO I CAN'T ANSWER. I'M, I'M, I DON'T HAVE A FULL MEMORY OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON, ON ONE 50. UM, SO I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. AS FAR AS THE, THE VIBE WE WOULD CONSIDER VIBE TYPICAL 10 FOOT OR LARGER IS TXB BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT DEVELOPMENT WE'VE HAD. SO, UM, ANYTIME DEVELOPMENT WE'VE HAD SINCE 2022 WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS TAKEN IN, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GETTING THOSE VIBE TRAILS MINUS WHAT WE PUT IN. SO, UM, THERE WAS SOME VIBE TRAIL ON, UH, THE, THE TWO STEP, BUT IT WAS NOT THE FULL WAY DOWN. IT KIND OF CUT THROUGH. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME VIBE ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART, UH, I THINK IT'S HILL STREET, UM, WHERE YOU COME OFF OF 35 AND IT'S THAT LITTLE SIDE STREET, THE END OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM THERE. UM, AND THEN I THINK THEY HAD SOME ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ONE 50 ON THEIR KIND OF SECONDARY WHERE THEY HAD THEIR COMMERCIAL AREA BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE A TRAIL HEAD THERE. UM, AND THEN CONNECTED INTO SOME TRAILS THERE. SO YOU ARE CORRECT, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, UH, AS UP FRONT. UM, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S KIND OF [01:25:01] AN OLDER AREA. UM, BUT WE ARE GETTING IT FURTHER. ONE 50 WAY OUT. UM, RASTAGAR I THINK HAS SOME AND SOME OTHER PLACES THAT ARE NEW. SO, UM, PARENT COUNSEL, JUST TO REDIRECT THE CONVERSATION, TODAY'S CONVERSATION IS CENTER STREET. OKAY. . AND, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE ENTIRE 110 MILES OF THE LIVE TRAIL, WHERE THOSE SEGMENTS ARE. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING THOSE SEGMENTS AND WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST IS. OKAY, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE EAST, WEST AND THE CONNECTION. UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT CONNECTION. IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE ENGINEERING AND SCHEMATICS. AND TO BE VERY CLEAR, YOU CAN GET SCHEMATICS THAT ARE 30% AND IT GIVES YOU A MUCH BETTER, UM, IDEA OF HOW MUCH COST IS GONNA BE. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK SCHEMATICS ARE GONNA BE IMPORTANT SO WE HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE WE'RE GONNA BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT. DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S MEET UP FROM THE SOUTH? ARE WE GONNA BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35 OR STAY ON THE WEST? LIKE YOU COULD CONTINUE SOUTH. WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO MEET? IT WILL EVENTUALLY, AND I DO NOT WANNA MAKE A HABIT OF ANSWERING AUDIENCE, BUT I DO, I I WANNA ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN. SO ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE IS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT OVER BY WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THAT BURLESON. WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THAT THERE'S A COMPLETE MAP OF THE VIBE TRAIL ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. YOU CAN LOOK IN THE, UM, PARKS AND REC OPEN SPACES PLAN. IT'S, IT'S IN THERE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, ON OUR DASHBOARD, THERE'S THE VIBE TRAIL MAP. SO LOOK THERE, OKAY, AND I WANNA BE CLEAR, IT IS, IT IS PROPOSED TO GO DOWN ONE 50 EAST. AND SO IT, THAT'LL BE JUST A MATTER OF TIME, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE BRIDGE AND IT'S NOT GONNA OVER GO OVER, IT'S GONNA STOP BY RIGHT BEFORE OR MAYBE RIGHT AFTER THE PIE COMPANY. AND THEN NONE OF THIS WILL BE THE VIBE. YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU GET PAST TXB AND THEN IT'LL BE THE VIBE E EVENTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ONE 50. YES. AND AGAIN, ON THE 10TH OF SEPTEMBER, WE'LL BE BACK VERY DETAILED MAPS. YOU'LL GET TO SEE, UH, DEVELOPER VERSUS CITY VERSUS WHAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED, WHAT'S TO BE CONSTRUCTED. ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL, WILL HAVE, UM, A LOT OF DETAIL THERE FOR YOU. OKAY. AND INFORMATION, I JUST WANNA QUICKLY CLEAR, CLARIFY, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP RIGHT HERE. SO THE SOUTH CONNECTION WOULD BE OFF 1 58, 1 58 ACCORDING TO THE MAP AS IT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO CONTINUING ON, CONTINUING ON WITH CENTER STREET ON SYSTEM PROJECT, UH, WE'RE SORT OF TALKING ABOUT RIGHT AWAY HERE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, OH, ALL BUT ONE PARCEL ON CENTER, IT'S BEEN ACQUIRED. UM, AND THIS IS SORT OF A BLOW UP VIEW OF SHOWING THE, UH, KINDA THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IN THE, UH, THE VIBE TRAIL. UM, YOU SEE A LITTLE TREE THERE, THAT'S THAT TREE THAT I THINK HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. UM, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE, A LIVE OAK THERE, UH, AS WELL AS THERE'S THE MAGENTA LINE THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE RAMP THAT BEGINS AT THE TREE, UH, OVER TO THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, LINE TO THE ORANGE LINE. THAT WAS THE, UH, TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT THAT, UH, WOULD ALSO IMPACT, UM, I THINK SOME TREES THAT SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED THAT WERE 40 YEARS OLD. SO, UM, THOSE WOULD BE SOME, UH, POTENTIAL OR SOME POTENTIAL IMPACTS WITH, UH, WITH MAINTAINING THE VIBE TRAIL AT THAT LOCATION UNDER THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED CONDITIONS. NOW I'VE, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD UP UNTIL THIS POINT THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY EVERY WAY POSSIBLE TO GO AROUND THAT TREE. IS THAT, IS THAT NO LONGER THE CASE? UM, WE, WE ARE MITIGATING TO, TO MINIMIZE AND AVOID THE IMPACTS TO THE TREE. SO WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON ACTUALLY NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THAT TREE. LIKE THE, THE PEC UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA WOULD ACTUALLY BE BORED DEEP DOWN AND UNDER THE ROOT SYSTEM AS THE PLAN THERE. SO, UM, AND THEN WE'D ALSO PROTECT THE TREE DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO, UH, WE DO HAVE A PLAN TO MINIMIZE, UM, AND AVOID THE IMPACTS TO THAT, THAT TREE. SO. OKAY, THANK YOU. SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, RIGHT AWAY BLOW UPS WITHIN THE, UH, CENTER STREET ON PORTION. UM, NEXT HERE IS KIND OF A, UM, VIBE. TRAIL CONCEPT IMPACTS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE CENTER STREET OFF, UM, THE, UH, DRAINAGE IMPACTS AND CHALLENGES, UH, WITH THE VI TRAIL, THERE WOULD BE INCREASED IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, REQUIRE SOME MITIGATION, [01:30:02] UM, AS WELL AS, UH, LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY, UH, INCREASES THE STORM SEWER SIZE, ADDS CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS, IMPACTS TO PARKING. UM, THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS WITHIN THE CENTER STREET ON PORTION, UH, TO PARKING AT THE, UH, AT THE CHURCH, THE CENTER STREET BETWEEN SLEDGE STREET AND N STREET, UM, WHERE EXISTING PARKING IS REMOVED. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT THAT PARKING IS GONNA BE REMOVED, WHETHER THIS IS A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, A 12 FOOT VIBE, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT PARKING IS BEING IMPACTED. UM, SO AS PART OF THE PROJECT, UM, UH, ALSO WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL PARKING IMPACTS AT THE, UH, THE CORNER OF CENTER STREET AND VETERANS, UM, AT THE VAQUEROS RESTAURANT. UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME PARKING IMPACTS ON THE, UH, THE EAST END OF THE, UH, OF THE PROJECT WHERE WE BASICALLY TAPER FROM THE PROPOSED SECTION BACK TO EXISTING, UH, EAST OF BUR. AND SO, UH, THOSE PARKING, UH, SPOTS ARE BEING IMPACTED. ONCE AGAIN, THEY'RE BEING IMPACTED REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO OR DO NOT DO WITH THE VIBE TRAIL. SO, UH, CENTER STREET ON TYPICAL SECTIONS, THE ABOVE IS THE, UH, UM, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. A TYPICAL SECTION, ONCE AGAIN SHOWING TWO 13 FOOT LANES AND FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE. UH, MIDDLE, UH, CROSS SECTION. THERE IS THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS WITH THE, UH, 11 FOOT LANES. AND THEN THE, THE ADDITION OF THE, UH, CENTER TURN LANE, 14 FOOT CENTER TURN LANE, UH, AND THE 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL ON NORTH SIDE, UH, AS WELL AS THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH. UM, IF WE WERE TO REDUCE THE VIBE TRAIL THAT THE THIRD SECTION THERE AT THE BOTTOM, UM, TAKES US THROUGH THAT PROPOSED CONDITION, UM, IT REDUCES THE VIBE TRAIL FROM 12 TO SIX, UM, AND ALSO, UH, UH, PUSHES THE, OR REMOVES THE BUFFER, UM, BETWEEN THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK AND THE, UH, UM, THE CURB SECTION. AND, UH, WE ALSO SHOW THAT THE, UH, WE'D HAVE SPACE FOR THE, UH, PEC UTILITIES TO, UH, TO REMAIN OVERHEAD. AND THAT SECTION, EXACT LOCATION OF THAT IS, WOULD BE, UH, YET TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GIVEN. UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE TYPICAL SECTION, SO THIS IS JUST EXISTING. AND THEN, UM, KIND OF THE, THE REVISED PROPOSED SECTION THAT I JUST WENT OVER, UH, CENTER STREET, UM, ONCE BLOW UP, THIS IS A BLOW UP SECTION KINDA SHOWING THAT WHOLE VIBE TRAIL CONCEPT. UM, WE WOULD REDUCE THE 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL TO SIX FOOT AND THEN REMOVE THAT, UM, THREE AND A THIRD FOOT BUFFER, UH, AS WELL AS MOVING THE, UH, UM, THE VIBE TRAIL UP AGAINST THE, UH, THE BACK OF THE CURB RATED ON SYSTEM SIDEWALK CONCEPT. UM, SO WANNA POINT OUT REDUCING THE TRAIL TO A, TO A SIDEWALK AND USING THE EXISTING ACQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY, UM, THAT NO ADDITIONAL PROPERTY IS REQUIRED. UM, THIS ALSO ALLOWS FOR SOME DESIGN, UH, DRAINAGE DESIGN EFFICIENCY, AND THEN WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PEC EASEMENTS, UM, THAT HAVE YET TO BE DETERMINED TO THE EXACT EXTENT OF THAT, UH, BY MAINTAINING PEC AND THE OTHER UTILITIES, UH, OVERHEAD AS OPPOSED TO GOING UNDERGROUND. UH, SOME MAPS HERE SHOWING SORT OF THE, UH, UH, RIGHT OF WAY CONCEPT WITH THE, UH, UH, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK IN LIEU OF THE 12 FOOT FIVE TRAIL. JUST SOME BLOW UP OF THE, OF THE AREA OF THE RIGHT OF WAY DOWN THE CORRIDOR AS FAR AS THE, UH, CENTER STREET ON SYSTEM, THE SIDEWALK, UH, CONCEPT COSTS. SO, UH, COST SAVINGS BY LOOKING AT REDUCING THE VIBE TRAIL TO A SIDEWALK, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY $423,000. UH, WE, UH, WE COULD REALIZE A POTENTIAL FOR, UM, A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION SAVINGS BY MAINTAINING THE, UH, PEC AND THE OTHER UTILITIES OVERHEAD. UM, WE'D HAVE, UH, SOME COST SAVINGS, SOME MINOR COST SAVINGS, AND RIGHT AWAY EASEMENTS, UH, OF $3,000. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL DESIGN COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH MAKING THESE CHANGES. UM, SOME LITTLE, UH, FOOTNOTES THERE. MAINTAINING UTILITIES OVERHEAD IS CONTINGENT UPON REDUCING THE VIBE TRAIL, UH, TO THE SIDEWALK. ONCE AGAIN, I, I MENTIONED IT BEFORE, I MEAN, UM, IF WE DID NOT REDUCE THE VIBE TRAIL, IT WOULD MAKE THE, UH, UM, KEEPING THE, UH, PEC OVERHEAD CHALLENGING. SO, UH, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE, I WOULDN'T SAY IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT WOULD MAKE IT CHALLENGING. UM, AND THEN I MENTIONED THEY WERE MAINTAINING OVERHEAD, NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF, OF WAY EASEMENTS ARE NEEDED. UM, [01:35:01] SIDEWALK CONCEPT DESIGN CONSIDERATION, KIND OF A SUMMARY, UH, DRAINAGE IMPACTS AND CONSIDERATION, UH, GOING TO A A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK WOULD DECREASE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, POTENTIALLY REDUCE STORM SEWER, UH, SIZE, UH, LOWER, UH, SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE COSTS AND ADD SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE, UH, WHERE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, SIX FOOT, UH, UH, CONCRETE FOR THE, UH, VIBE TRAIL. UM, AND THEN ALSO, AS I POINTED OUT, REMOVING THE SIX FOOT, UH, SIX FOOT OF THE TRAIL ALLOWS FOR MAINTAINING OVERHEAD UTILITIES WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. UH, AND THEN REMOVING, UH, THE TRAIL REMOVES THE IMPACT, UH, TO THE OAK TREE AND WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMITS. UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, I, WE, WE ARE ALREADY, UH, INTENDING TO AVOID, UM, SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THAT TREE UNDER OUR CURRENT DESIGN, BUT THIS WOULD FURTHER REDUCE, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR ANY IMPACTS THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, AND THEN PARKING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE VIBE TRAIL, UM, UNDER EITHER, EITHER CONDITION SUMMARY HERE OF THE, UH, ON SYSTEM, TYPICAL SECTIONS, UH, TOP ONE, EXISTING CURRENT CENTER. ONE IS THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, AND THEN THE BOTTOM SECTION IS THE, UH, WOULD BE THE REVISED CROSS SECTION, UH, WITH A REDUCTION FROM THE SIX 12 FOOT VIBE TRAIL TO SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. UH, HERE'S KIND OF A, AN OVERALL SUMMARY. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH BOTH CENTER STREET OFF AND CENTER STREET ON, UH, THIS TABLE JUST SORT OF SUMMARIZES THE, UH, POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, CHANGING THE VIBE TO A SIDEWALK AS WELL AS MAINTAINING UTILITIES OVERHEAD. SO ON CENTER STREET OFF, AS I MENTIONED, UH, YOU'D HAVE ABOUT $614,000 IN, UH, UM, VIBE TRAIL SAVINGS RIGHT AWAY, UH, SAVINGS, UH, $4.8 MILLION ROUGHLY ON, UH, PEC OVERHEAD, UH, COST SAVINGS, ADDITIONAL COST OF, UH, INCORPORATING THE CHANGES. THE TOTAL FOR THE CENTER STREET OFF IS APPROXIMATELY 5.4 MILLION. AND THEN ON CENTER STREET ON, UH, CONVERSION FROM A 12 FOOT VIBE TO A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK WOULD REALIZE ABOUT $420,000 IN SAVINGS. UM, SLIGHT SAVINGS AND RIGHT AWAY EASEMENT COST, UH, APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION IN, UH, UH, PEC UH, SAVINGS BY KEEPING THE, UH, THE UTILITY OVERHEAD, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, DESIGN COSTS OF ABOUT $35,000. SO A TOTAL SAVINGS ON THE, THE CENTER STREET ON PORTION OF ABOUT TWO 4.4 MILLION. SO ON THE BOTTOM THERE IS SORT OF THE TOTAL SUMMARY. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, I ABOUT READING ALL THESE NUMBERS AT THE END, THE TOTAL IS ABOUT 7.8, UM, MILLION DOLLARS, SO THAT'S REDUCING THE VIBE TRAIL TO A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AS WELL AS MAINTAINING THE, UH, PEC OVERHEAD AS OPPOSED TO GOING UNDERGROUND. UM, JUST SORT OF A SUMMARY HERE OF DESIGN CONSIDERATION. SUMMARIZE, UM, DRAINAGE IMPACTS AND CONSIDERATIONS. UH, MAKING THE CHANGE ON THE VIBE TRAIL WOULD REDUCE IMPERVIOUS COVER OR REDUCE ITS CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. UM, WOULD, UH, CREATE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO, UM, MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, ROADSIDE DITCHES AND CHANNELS THAT MAY NOT NEED TO BE CONCRETE LINED. UM, REDUCING THE VIBE TRAIL TO THE SIDEWALK ALLOWS FOR, UH, MAINTAINING OVERHEAD UTILITIES WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN, UH, THE PARKING IMPACTS, UH, THERE REALLY IS NO, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE REALLY IS NO CHANGE IN PARKING IMPACTS BETWEEN THE TWO ALTERNATIVES OR ANY OF THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES WE TALKED ABOUT. SO WITH THAT, UH, I'D KINDA OPEN UP FOR, FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE. SO, ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, IS T STOCK GOING TO DO ANY COST SHARING ON THE ON SYSTEM? THERE IS NO PROPOSED COST SHARING ON THE ON SYSTEM, HAVE THEY BEEN REQUESTED? UM, I, I'M NOT AWARE OF A FORMAL REQUEST. UM, BUT UH, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN MADE EARLY ON, BUT, UH, SO I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, SO IT'D BE A POSSIBILITY TO REQUEST THEIR ASSISTANCE WITH THE ON SYSTEM. UM, IT, IT, IT'D BE SOMETHING, I GUESS ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE. IT, IT WOULD CREATE A, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE'D HAVE TO, TO, UH, INVESTIGATE THAT. BUT, UH, WELL, IT WOULD TAKE LONG , IT WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD TAKE LONG. EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. IT WOULD ADD TO THE ADDITIONAL LENGTH OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, US GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN GO TO CONSTRUCTION ON THE CENTER STREET ON, UM, WE ARE REALLY, WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING ANY CHANGES. I MEAN, GUESS WE ARE ADDING THAT CENTER TURN LANE, UH, SO WE ARE MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT, UH, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY DIRECT CONVERSATIONS. UH, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, THE DECISION HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE AND, AND WE BASICALLY HAD THE, UH, THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENTS, UH, GENERALLY, UH, NEGOTIATED IN PLACE. [01:40:01] SO THEN ALSO THERE ARE GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR SIDEWALKS, UM, AND, AND TRAILS LIKE THIS, LIKE THE VIBE, UM, FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE USE. I, I WONDER IF WE'VE INVESTIGATED ANY OF THOSE. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. AND THE MARCHING ORDERS GIVEN TO STAFF WAS UNDER THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BUILDING AND, UH, GET GOING. OKAY. OKAY. SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NOT UNDERGROUNDING THE UTILITIES. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT EVERYWHERE POSSIBLE, WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN NEW ROADS GOING IN, UM, FOR SAFETY AND RELIABILITY, BOTH SAFETY OF THE, UM, PEDESTRIANS, THE SAFETY OF THE HOMEOWNERS AND SAFETY OF VEHICLES, UM, ON THOSE UTILITY, UH, POLES. UM, AND THE RELIABILITY OF THOSE. THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES VERY RARELY FAIL. UM, YOUR ELECTRICITY IS, IS, UH, RELIABLE. MOST OF THE, UH, INTERNET AND, UM, CELL PHONE ARE ALREADY UNDERGROUNDED. I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME THEY'RE PUTTING IN THAT THAT AREN'T, BUT THEY SHOULD BE. UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WHERE WE'RE BUILDING HIGHWAYS AND, AND RECONFIGURING ROADS LIKE THIS, THAT WE WILL UNDERGROUND THOSE UTILITIES. UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT WE CAN DO IT ON THE CHEAP OR WE CAN DO IT RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT WE WILL REGRET DOING IT ON THE CHEAP. UM, I THINK USING A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK IS RIDICULOUS. FROM, FROM STAGE COACH, UM, OR VETERANS, UH, INTO DOWNTOWN. UH, WE WANNA REDEVELOP DOWNTOWN OR DEVELOP DOWNTOWN. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EVER BEEN ACTUALLY DEVELOPED SO THAT WE COULD REDEVELOP IT. UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE VIBE GOING THROUGH TO THIS AREA WE'LL SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE THE ABILITY FOR US TO HAVE BUSINESSES, UH, IN THIS AREA THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL. AND TO ME, THAT'S A PRIORITY. ONE THING I DO WANNA POINT OUT, AND I, AND I THINK YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS TOO, I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO GO UNDERGROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE OCCASIONALLY, YOU KNOW, PERIODICALLY THESE, UH, THEY CALL SWITCH GEARS. OH YEAH. ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. SO THERE'S STILL, THERE'S STILL SOME, THERE'S STILL STILL A PRESENCE THERE, RIGHT? STILL, BUT IT'S D MUCH DIFFERENT. YES, YES. AND THERE'S SOME THAT WOULD SAY, WHAT DO YOU PUT IN THAT BOX IN MY, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T JUST GO AWAY. SO THERE ARE SOME OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE INTRODUCED, BUT, SO, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA? SO WITH THE UTILITIES POSSIBLY STAYING OVERGROUND, UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS AREA WOULD BE THE AREA THAT WAS CHOSEN INSTEAD OF MAYBE SOMETHING OUT IN THE OUTLYING AREAS IN THE COUNTRY THAT THIS WAS WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING BUILT AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S SUFFERING. 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE LIKE, UM, DR. HARRIS SAID THE RELIABILITY AND SAFETY FEATURES, BUT ALSO THE BEAUTIFICATION. 'CAUSE IF WE DID WANNA REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN IN THE FUTURE, UM, HAVING THOSE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND WOULD BE GREAT. A QUESTION THAT WAS, UH, COME TO MIND WITH THE COMMENT EARLIER, UM, FROM A RESIDENT WITH THE VIBE TRAIL BEING 10 FEET IN THE AREAS THAT ARE BUILT, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING 10 FEET GOING THROUGH AND STILL HAVING THESE UTILITIES? UM, IS DO THEY HAVE TO BE UNDERGROUND OR CAN YOU GO UP TO 10 FEET? ARE THEY IN THE WAY? I, I THINK BY JUST REDUCING THE TRAIL, WE'LL CALL IT A TRAIL SHARED USE PATH, TRAIL BY TRAIL MM-HMM . BY RESISTANCE, JUST THAT TWO FOOT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, THE OPTION TO GO, UH, TO LEAVE THE UTILITIES OVERHEAD, PC OVERHEAD, IT, IT WOULD STILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, UTILITY EASEMENT IMPACTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. OKAY. AND JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER THE WHOLE PRESENTATION WITH THE OFF SYSTEM WE'RE 16.7 MILLION OVER BUDGET WITH THE ON SYSTEM WAS 1.8 MILLION. CORRECT. SO THAT'S BRINGING US TO ABOUT 18 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OVER BUDGET FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WITH THESE COST SAVING MEASURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT SAVING US SOME $0.8 MILLION, THAT'S SAVING US HALF, THAT'S JUST REDUCING ROUGHLY HALF, ALMOST REDUCING IT BY HALF. RIGHT. UM, AND IT'S JUST IRONIC TO ME WHERE THE OFF SYSTEM YOU MENTIONED THERE'S NO PARKING ISSUES. WELL, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO PARKING ISSUES BECAUSE ALL OF THAT ON THAT SIDE WHERE THE TRAIL WOULD BE IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND THEN A FEW HOUSES, THE REAR ENDS OF HOUSES. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO PARKING THAT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED THERE. RIGHT. AND THE REALLY THE ONLY EFFECT IS THOSE [01:45:01] HOMES THERE AT THE END, UM, THOSE ARE THE ONES REALLY AFFECTED A LITTLE BIT ON WALLACE. UM, BUT JUST THOSE HOMES, BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST COST SAVINGS WITH NOT UNDERGROUNDING THOSE UTILITIES IS THE FIVE, UH, ALMOST $5 MILLION OF NOT UNDERGROUNDING THOSE UTILITIES. IT JUST, IT'S JUST DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. UM, WHY THAT WOULD BE SUCH A HUGE IMPACT VERSUS THE SIDE WHERE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL IS AND YOU'RE ONLY SAVING $2 MILLION BY NOT UNDERGROUNDING THOSE UTILITIES. UM, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT NECESSARILY OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT, I MEAN THE, THE, UH, THE COST, THE SUBSTANTIAL COST OF UNDERGROUND GROUNDING, THE, UH, PEC UTILITY UTILITIES IS REALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LIMESTONE. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU'VE GOTTA INSTALL THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA TRENCH IT, YOU GOTTA BOARD. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF CIVIL COST THAT GOES INTO THAT AND NOT NECESSARILY, UM, WE'LL CALL IT LAND COSTS. RIGHT. OKAY. SO YEAH. SO IT'S MORE THE ENGINEERING FACTOR AND NOT THE PURCHASING OF THE RIGHT OF EASEMENT EASEMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. I WOULD SAY THAT THE ACTUAL, UM, EASEMENT, UM, PURCHASING AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE EASEMENTS IS, IS A MINOR COST AND THE ACTUAL, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND CIVIL WORK AND, UM, WORK THAT PEC WOULD'VE TO DO TO COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, PULL THEIR WIRES AND PUT IN THEIR EQUIPMENT, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THE SIGNIFICANT SUBSTANTIAL COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH. AND ON THE ON SYSTEM SIDE, UM, YOU SAID YOU'RE PENDING ONE UTIL UH, ONE AREA WHERE FRONTIER IS CORRECT. OUT OF THE REST OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAD TO ACQUIRE. CAN YOU OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, KIND OF TELL ME HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE PURCHASED OUTRIGHT AND HOW MANY HAD TO GO THROUGH IMMINENT DOMAIN PROCESSES? UH, I'M, TO BE HONEST, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY THAT NECESSARILY WENT THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN. UM, OFFHAND I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER, WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW. UM, 'CAUSE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THAT, THAT IS A HUGE IMPACT, UM, GOING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. RIGHT. AND IT JUST BEGS THE QUESTION OF HOW ARE THESE FOLKS REALLY, 'CAUSE YOU HEAR THEM HERE TODAY ASKING TO SAVE THEIR PROPERTIES, BUT IF YOU ACQUIRED THEIR PROPERTIES, NOT TO SAY YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG IN THE ACQUISITION, OBVIOUSLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WERE THEY STRONG ARMED? WERE THEY MADE TO BELIEVE THERE WAS NO OTHER CHOICE? UM, BUT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT SALE OF THE PROPERTY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE ON SYSTEM, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ACQUIRE AS MUCH PROPERTY BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING WITHIN A CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY FOOTPRINT MM-HMM . SO THERE WASN'T MUCH MORE OTHER THAN SOME TEMPORARY EASEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND IN FACT, I THINK IT STOPPED AT THE, SOME OF THE FRONTIER AT THE FRONTIER PROPERTY MM-HMM . WHERE WE NEEDED PROPERTY, SO IT WASN'T AS IMPACTFUL, BUT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE OFF SYSTEM. I SPOKE TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS ON THE STREET THERE, UM, WHERE SOME OF THEM, YES, I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE. UM, AND IT'S ON THE SIDEWALK SIDE, NOT THE TRAIL SIDE, WHERE THEY'RE LOSING ALMOST HALF OF THEIR FRONT YARD. UM, THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO PULL IN AND BARELY PARK THEIR VEHICLE AS IT IS. AND WITH THE AMOUNT THAT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKING INTO THE SIDEWALK FROM THE WAY THEY UNDERSTAND IT. OF COURSE, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S BUILT AND WE'D SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. BUT FROM THEIR UNDERSTANDING, UM, JUST TAKING QUITE A BIT OF AWAY FROM WHAT THEY HAVE THERE. UM, I, I DID WANNA POINT OUT ONE THING ON THE CENTER STREET ON PORTION MM-HMM . I'D MENTIONED IT AND JUST WANTED TO, I GUESS MENTION IT AGAIN THAT, UH, IF, IF WE, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH GOING UNDERGROUND WITH PEC, UH, THAT FINAL DESIGN, UH, PEC DOES THEIR DESIGN, AND THEN WE TAKE IT THAT FINAL DESIGN, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL UTILITY EASEMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED MM-HMM . UH, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THOSE, THOSE SWITCH GEARS TO PUT THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF AWAY SOME UTILITY. I KNOW IT'S A BIG EFFECT ON SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS. THEY WEREN'T HAPPY WITH IT AT ALL AFFECTING THEIR PROPERTIES. OTHERS WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THE UTILITIES GROUNDED BECAUSE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, POLES IN THEIR YARDS OR POLES AFFECTING WHERE THEY ARE THEIR KIDS PLAY. RIGHT. UM, SO FROM THOSE FOLKS THAT I DID TALK TO IN THAT AREA, IT WAS KIND OF A 50 50 ON, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THEM UNDERGROUNDED, THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THEM UNDERGROUNDED. RIGHT. UM, WITH THAT SAID, I CAN SEE FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS SAVING $7.8 MILLION, ALMOST CUTTING THE BUDGET IN HALF MAKES YOU WONDER IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE COULD GET AROUND GETTING THIS BUILT. UM, AND STILL HAVING SOME COST SAVING MEASURES, BUT THAT'S TO BE SEEN WHEN WE HAVE OUR BIGGER PRESENTATION, I GUESS. [01:50:01] OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE OUT HERE? THAT MEMBER GOES? I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, SO THE VIBE TRAIL CALL, THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR SPECIFIC LIGHTING, AND THAT IS, UM, EITHER SMART LIGHTING POLES APPROXIMATELY EVERY A HUNDRED FEET EQUIPPED WITH LED LIGHTING, WIFI CHARGING PORTS, AND SECURITY CAMERAS. UM, SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE RESIDENTS WHO STILL LIVE ALONG CENTER STREET, IN YOUR OPINION, AFFECT THEM? IF WE HAD THE LIGHTING? YES. UM, WELL, I GUESS IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE IN SOME OTHER LOCATIONS. UM, OLD STAGE COACH ROAD, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I MEAN, AS PART OF THAT LIGHTING, I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT IN WHAT THEY CALL CUTOFFS, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE LIGHTING STAYS ON THE SIDE IT'S SUPPOSED TO, AND NOT NECESSARILY BLEED OVER, YOU KNOW, INTO THE ADJACENT, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY. SO THERE'S SOME, SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO TO MITIGATE THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS, AS FAR AS THE POTENTIAL LIGHT POLLUTION INTO THE PROPERTIES. AND SO OUR DOWNTOWN PLAN SAYS THAT, UM, THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN SAYS IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD PRESERVE AND PROTECT DOWNTOWN CHARM. UM, SO IF WE'RE CHANGING THE WAY THAT THE STREET FUNDAMENTALLY FEELS, IS THAT IN CONFLICT? THAT WAS A QUESTION OF MINE, NOT NECESSARILY FOR YOU. AND SO THAT WAS RIGHT, RIGHT. KIND OF MY PURPOSE IN BRINGING THAT UP. UM, I DID NOTICE THAT SOME OF THE ENGINEERING PLANS THAT WE INITIALLY HAD, UM, MENTIONED CONSULTING WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SEVERAL HISTORICAL, UH, BUILDINGS ALONG ALONG THAT ROADWAY. HAS THAT BEEN DONE? DO YOU KNOW THAT THAT COORDINATION HAS BEEN DONE? TO MY KNOWLEDGE TO SOME DEGREE, NO, IT HAS NOT. SO YEAH, I GUESS THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESSES HAS BEEN DONE, SO. OKAY. I WAS NOT A PART OF THAT, BUT OKAY. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TRUST THE WORD HERE THAT, UH, . UM, SO I THINK BEFORE WE EVEN MAKE CHOICES ON THIS, IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE THAT DOES NEED TO BE DONE, UM, BECAUSE I'D CERTAINLY HATE TO BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE TO UNDO IT. UM, AND THEN HAVE WE ANALYZED A DA ACCESS TO THE BUSINESSES AND TO THE CHURCH IF WE ARE REMOVING THE PARKING BETWEEN NANCE AND SLEDGE, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT NECESSARILY. UM, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND VERIFY THAT. UM, CERTAINLY WE NEED TO MAINTAIN WHATEVER A DA REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE REQUIRED. I MEAN, WE'RE, THE PROJECT ITSELF HAS A DA REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH TDLR REQUIREMENTS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WERE, WERE SATISFIED. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST KIND OF BIG ONE WAS THE FACT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MS. CHOPPA MENTIONED WAS THE POTENTIAL LIABILITY OF MAINTAINING THOSE SIDEWALKS WE'RE GOING FROM FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS TO EITHER SIX FOOT OR 12 FOOT. SO THAT'S A LOT MORE SIDEWALK FOR THEM TO POTENTIALLY HAVE THE LIABILITY OF ENSURING THAT IT'S IN GOOD REPAIR. UM, SO KIND OF, ARE WE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT ORDINANCE SO THAT, TO CLARIFY, WHO HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY ARE, HAVE THERE BEEN THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR THE ORDINANCE. I, LEON MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER, I JUST REVIEWED THE, UH, WE HAVE A MUNICIPAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH TDOT THAT WAS SIGNED BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2002. AND ACCORDING TO THAT, UH, THE AGREEMENT, ANY NEW SIDEWALKS THAT ARE INSTALLED BY THE CITY ON ANY OF THEIR ROADS, WE GET TO MAINTAIN THOSE SIDEWALKS. OKAY. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE TRAIL HERE. SO WOULD THAT STILL BE INCORPORATED? I WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE, WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD GET A COMPLETE LEGAL OPINION ON THAT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPOSING LIABILITY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN ON THAT. UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. YES. THANK YOU. UM, WHERE EXACTLY ON THE, UH, THE OFF SYSTEM IS THE, THE MASONRY WALL? I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN THAT GOT ADDED IN. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS. AND I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S AT THE ROUNDABOUT. UM, IT'S ON I, WHAT I CALL THE, UH, I'LL CALL IT THE NORTH EAST SIDE. SO THERE'S THREE PARCELS THERE, UH, HOMETOWN KYLE, UM, PARCELS THAT THE, UH, THE MASONRY WALL IS BEING CONSIDERED, UM, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING, UH, WOODEN FENCES AND COUNCIL MEMBER, WE ARE PLANNING, PLANNING TO BRING YOU AN ITEM TO CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MASONRY WALL AT, AT THOSE THREE PROPERTIES AT THE, UM, OKAY. SO IT HASN'T COME TO US YET ON TUESDAY, CORRECT? YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET. [01:55:02] OKAY. LOOKING OVER THE, UH, THE KIND OF ITEMIZED BREAKDOWN OF THE COSTS ON, ON THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS, THAT MASONRY WALL'S GONNA RUN A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE COST CUTTING MEASURES? N NO, SIR. THE, THE BASIN REAR WALL, I BELIEVE IS JUST, UM, THE, THE HIGHEST ONE AT EIGHT FOOT IS JUST A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND. AND WE'LL BRING YOU THOSE PRICES AS WELL. WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO CHOOSE BETWEEN A SIX FOOT HIGH, WHICH IS ALLOWED UNDER CURRENT ZONING STANDARDS OR EIGHT FOOT HIGH, WHICH HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS. YEAH, I THINK ANY OF THE BACK, ANY OF THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU, UH, MAY NOT HAVE INCLUDED THE MASONRY WALL THERE, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER FENCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT MASONRY WALL HAS INCLUDED IN THAT. SO, AND ONCE AGAIN, AS AMBER HAD STATED IT, IT'S GONNA BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION. UM, I WAS LOOKING OVER THE, THE PROJECT BIDS. UH, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS ITEMIZED OFF IN THERE. I I MAY HAVE READ IT WRONG, RIGHT? YEAH. IT, IT WAS NOT IN THERE. THAT PARTICULAR MASONRY WALL WAS NOT IN THERE. SO I CAN, I CAN SAY THAT, UH, UM, WITH CERTAINTY, SO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER SADA? UM, I THINK HAVE WE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMPACTS, UH, OF THE, UM, NEW ANALYSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE DONE AT THE INTERSECTIONS? 'CAUSE WE MAY NOT DO A ROUNDABOUT THERE ANYMORE, AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT THE, WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE THE DOING ALL NEW ANALYSIS THAT IT WAS GOING PUSH US BACK ON TI ON A TIMELINE AND ON BUDGET. SO I JUST WONDER HOW THIS HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, WITH THAT NEW CHANGE. UH, ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TODAY HASN'T NECESSARILY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ARE THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS. I'LL CALL 'EM WITH, UH, WITH THE, UH, ROUNDABOUT REEVALUATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, IF THE DECISION WERE MADE TO GO TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE ROUNDABOUT, THOSE HAD NOT BEEN INCORPORATED. SO, UH, THOSE WOULD'VE TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND, AND, UM, A FUTURE PROGRAM UPDATE IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PLAN ON TRYING TO QUANTIFY OKAY. WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS MIGHT BE. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, COSTS AND COST SAVINGS. UM, BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, WHILE THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO SPEAK ABOUT THE OVERWHELMING COSTS ASSOCIATED TO THIS PROJECT, THEY ALSO OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED TO SUPPORT INCREASED COSTS COMING OUT OF THE ROAD. ONE PROJECT AND TIMELINE DELAYS, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA INCREASE, INCREASE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO IT HAS A DOMINO EFFECT THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND TAKE SERIOUSLY. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I ALSO THINK ABOUT THE DOMINO EFFECT OF COMPLETELY STARTING FROM SCRATCH, THIS ENTIRE PROJECT ALL OVER AGAIN, UM, IN THE SENSE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THE, UH, LAND REQUIREMENT, UH, WE HAVE THE ENGINEERING PLANS, UM, WE HAVE REALLY, REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN DEPTH KIND OF SCHEMATICS ALREADY DEVELOPED. UM, AND SO ONCE AGAIN, CREATING ADDITIONAL COSTS IS GONNA CREATE A LONGER TIMELINE, AND THAT'S ALREADY DELAYED. UM, AND IT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE INCREASING COSTS. THE MORE THAT WE DO THAT, THE MORE THAT WE'RE JUST COSTING OURSELVES MORE MONEY AND TIME ON DELIVERING RESULTS FOR RESIDENTS WHO HAVE WAITED FOR IMPROVED ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME. UM, I ALSO WANT US TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT, YES, I KNOW THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, UH, VARIOUS ORDINANCES, BUT WE'RE ALSO SPEAKING AS IF WE'RE NOT THE LEGISLATIVE BODY , WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH ORDINANCES, WE JUST AMEND THEM. WE COME TOGETHER AND WE AMEND THEM. AND SO IF WE FEEL THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES WITH THE VIBE ORDINANCE AS IS, WE ARE LITERALLY THE BODY THAT CAN CHANGE THAT. AND SO I WANT US TO ALSO KEEP THAT IN MIND. UM, I REALLY DID, UM, HEAR OUT, UH, MRS. CHAPPA, UM, IN THE CONCERN ABOUT MAINTENANCE. SO THIS IS JUST LIKE, AS A LITTLE ASIDE, UM, AND THIS IS PROBABLY MORE FOR STAFF, UM, I WAS WONDERING, UH, I LOOKED UP AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, LIKE THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, THEY DEVELOPED AN ORDINANCE CALLED THE GARLAND CARES COMPLIANCE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. UM, AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT, UH, ONCE A SENIOR OR DISABLED RESIDENT APPLIES FOR MAINTENANCE ASSISTANCE, ALL CODE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS AND FINES ARE LEGALLY PAUSED, UM, WHILE RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER IF, IF AN AREA LIKE GARLAND, TEXAS WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, AND SO I, I JUST WANT US TO BE [02:00:01] SMART ABOUT HOW IT IS THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT, UM, THIS VIBE TRAIL. UH, THE PROMISES THAT WE MADE TO RESIDENTS WHEN THEY VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO SUPPORT, UH, THIS CONSTRUCTION OF, OF THE TRAIL, UM, AND ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, IT IS WITHIN OUR RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE, HONESTLY, TO BE ABLE TO AMEND IT AS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO FIX THE LITTLE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TWEAKED HERE AND THERE. UM, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE ORDINANCE IS PERFECT AS IS. I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S LIKE LITTLE THINGS THAT CAN BE CHANGED OR MODIFIED HERE AND THERE JUST FOR EXTRA CLARIFICATION, UM, TO HELP ANSWER SOME OF THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP. UM, BUT THOSE ARE REASONABLE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN DO. UM, YEAH, I JUST, I, I REALLY DO THINK IT'S, IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO DO SO. LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE BIKE LANES ANYWHERE IN THIS CITY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I TRAVEL DOWN OLD STAGE COACH, UH, ALL THE TIME. I LIVE IN CYPRESS FOREST. AND, UM, I ALSO SEE SO MANY PARENTS WHO ARE WITH THEIR KIDS WHO, WITH THEIR TODDLERS, UH, WHO ARE TRYING TO TEACH THEM HOW TO RIDE A BIKE. AND, YOU KNOW, MEANWHILE, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER THEY GO INTO THE DITCH OR CARS GET STUCK AND WAIT BEHIND, OR PEOPLE MIGHT GET TOO CLOSE, OR GOD FORBID, YOU KNOW, A CHILD THAT'S LEARNING TO RIDE A BIKE, YOU KNOW, HIT A ROCK OR FALLS OR SOMETHING, AND MEANWHILE THEY'RE UNPROTECTED AND THEY FALL IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD. UM, LIKE THAT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. UM, I ALSO LOOKED INTO, UM, DOWNTOWN BERNIE, BERNIE, TEXAS. UH, THEY HAVE A REALLY CUTE, REALLY NICE, UH, DOWNTOWN, UM, AND IN A COUPLE OF THE FACEBOOK GROUPS. UM, DOWNTOWN BURNEY CURRENTLY HAS A LARGER, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE FIVE LANES. IT'S TWO GOING ONE WAY, TWO GOING THE OTHER ONE MIDDLE TURNING LANE. UM, AND THEY'RE SEPARATED, UH, ON EITHER SIDE BY BUSINESSES AND IN FRONT OF THOSE BUSINESSES IS JUST LIKE A SMALL SIDEWALK. AND SO MANY RESIDENTS HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THEY WISH THE SIDEWALK WAS WIDER. I THINK THERE'S JUST LIKE A REGULAR TRADITIONAL, I'M NOT EVEN SURE, BUT IT'S LIKE THE, IT'S, IT'S A MO MUCH SMALLER, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY, AND RESIDENTS HAVE VOCALIZED HOW MUCH THEY WISH THE, IT WAS WIDER, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT FOOT TRAFFIC AND INCREASE, UH, BUSINESSES THAT OPEN UP AND DO WELL THERE INCREASES THAT FOOT TRAFFIC. SO THEY JUST ALSO NEED MORE SPACE. UM, SO I THINK IT IS WITHIN OUR BEST INTEREST TO, TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I JUST GOT A FEW THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I'M ALL FOR UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES BECAUSE I LIVE ON ONE 50 EAST AND IF ANYBODY'S DRIVEN DOWN ONE 50 EAST, YOU KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO HIT YOUR HEAD ON A, ON A WIRE, RIGHT. UTILITIES ARE BAD. I DO FIND IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO SPEND, WHAT IS IT, $8.7 MILLION? IS THAT HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING ON UM, UNDERGROUNDING? JUST THESE OVER HERE. LESS 6.8. YEAH. 6.8. YEAH. 6.7. YEAH. 6.7, 6.8. THIS. WE WANNA AROUND IT UP TO 10. IT'S A LOT. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. YEAH, IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. LOT OF MONEY. ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE $55 MILLION SHORT ON OUR ROAD BOND AND WE GOTTA MAKE UP SOMEHOW FOR THAT 55 MILLION AND THEN WE FIND OUT WE'RE SHORT ON THIS BOND AS WELL. UM, AND I THINK YOU SAID WE'RE 16.7 MILLION OVER ON THIS, ON THIS ONE. THAT'S CORRECT, YES. OKAY. SO I MEAN, I, I GUESS I WOULD BE INCLINED. IT'S, IT'S NOT 16.7. IT'S ALMOST 19. 19. OKAY. RIGHT. THE 16. YEAH. SORRY. THE 16.7 IS RY OFF. RY OFF PLUS THE ON. SO LOOK, WE, WE TALK ABOUT TWEAKING ORDINANCES. WELL, MY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND DOING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TO BE ADULTS ABOUT IT. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE TO TALK DOLLARS. ARE WE GONNA, IF WE DO $19 MILLION OR ON THE OVER HERE, WE'RE SHORT, THEN WHERE ARE WE GONNA MAKE UP FOR IT ON THE OTHER PART OF THE ROAD BOND? BECAUSE THE MONEY'S NOT JUST GONNA KEEP COMING AT US. IT'S, IT'S, WE DON'T HAVE INFINITE MONEY. AND SO I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, YES, WE DO WANNA BUILD A VIBE. WHAT DOES RESPONSIBLE GROWTH LOOK LIKE? DOES IT MEAN THAT WE JUST SAY YES TO EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW? MY THEORY HAS ALWAYS BEEN YOU CAN HAVE IT RIGHT OR YOU CAN HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH. SO IF PEOPLE WANT IT RIGHT NOW, THEN THEY HAVE TO GET WHAT WE CAN AFFORD AS A CITY. WE HAVE TAXPAYERS THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND ANSWER TO. AND YOU GUYS ARE SITTING IN HERE RIGHT NOW. HOW DO I TELL PEOPLE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO, COMPLETE OUR ROAD BOND TWO ROADS INSTEAD OF ONE ROAD BECAUSE [02:05:01] WE UNDERGROUNDED UTILITIES. AND THAT'S NOT FOR YOU. AND I, AND I FEEL BAD 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOU. I'M JUST THINKING THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION. WE ALL HAVE WANTS AND DESIRES AND I WAS THE ONE WHO APPROVED THIS. I I WAS ONE WHO TALKED ABOUT IT DURING THE 2022 ROAD BOND. IT WAS A FRUSTRATION FOR ME TOO. THEN I WAS ADAMANTLY AGAINST THE LANGUAGE OF THE ROAD BOND BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH DETAILS. YOU GUYS SAY THIS WAS IN THE ROAD BOND. I SAY SHOW ME, SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS THAT IN THE VERBIAGE WHERE PEOPLE WENT AND PUSHED. YES. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THERE. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO YOU. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO US. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR. EMINENT DOMAIN, THE VIBE, ALL THAT STUFF NEVER WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL. I KNOW. 'CAUSE I WAS THERE ALONG WITH COUNCIL MEMBER TOBIAS, THAT THOSE WERE TOUGH, TOUGH TALKS AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO GIMME A HARD, NOT EVERYBODY, CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS WANNA GIMME A HARD TIME BECAUSE I SAID, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS BOND. IT WAS RUSHED. IT'S NOT DETAILED. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND NOW HERE WE SIT YEARS LATER AND I'M DEALING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF ACTIONS OF PEOPLE THAT I DISAGREED WITH. AND SO I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE NEED TO BUILD A A A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND ABOUT TRAILS AND THEY CAN HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. 'CAUSE AS I TALKED TO DAVID KIRTLEY, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED UNDERSTANDING THIS ISN'T GOING TO CONNECT EAST AND WEST. WE KNEW THAT LAST WEEK. IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE CONNECTION THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS. SO HOW DO WE GO BACK? I DON'T WANNA DELAY ANYTHING, BUT I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING RUSHED EITHER. AND FOR ANYBODY WHO THINKS THAT WE'VE TAKEN A LONG TIME AND THIS WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM WAS TO BE 20 TO 30 TO 40 YEARS OUT, IT WAS APPROVED IN 2021. IT'S ONLY BEEN SIX YEARS. SO I THINK WE NEED TO STOP AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. I THINK WE NEED TO GET RESIDENT INPUT. INPUT. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE HAD NONE. YES, THERE'S BEEN STREETS AND THERE'S BEEN TRANSPORTATION. THE VIBE ITSELF, IT, IT'S ORDINANCE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. IT'S UNDER SUBDIVISIONS. IT'S NOT EVEN UNDER AN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION. IT'S NOT UNDER TRANSPORTATION AT ALL. I I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS ARE NOT ASKING US TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS. I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THE TOTALITY OF THIS TRAIL AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW LONG IT'S GONNA REALLY TAKE. I I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC WITH OUR RESIDENTS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING ANY FAVORS BY SUGARCOATING AND SAYING, YEAH, WE CAN DO THIS. LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. WE JUST NEED TO DO A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND WE'LL BE OKAY. THAT'S WHAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS. WE CANNOT USE THE SAME MENTALITY THAT WAS USED TO CREATE THIS AS WE CAN TO FIX THIS. IT HAS TO BE TWO DIFFERENT THOUGHTS. AND I THINK THE COUNCIL, ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTS COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE AND BUILD A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME. AND THAT'S MY HOPE. BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU, WE ADD THAT YOU, YOU, YOU KEEP BRINGING UP THE ORDINANCE. YOU'RE RIGHT, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT BODY, UH, MR. PATA AND THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR IS BRINGING UP. BUT WE HAVE TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCE ON IT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. AND UM, I REMEMBER THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE, UH, YOU WERE CHASTISED SAYING YOU ARE AGAINST EVERYTHING. YES, YOU WANNA SHOOT EVERYTHING DOWN, BUT IN THE SENSE YOU ARE TRYING TO BE LOGICAL IN SAYING IS, IS THIS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO? SO IF WE WENT FORWARD WITH THIS, WE'RE ALREADY 19 MILLION OVER BUDGET AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL 6 MILLION FOR THE UNDERGROUNDING, IF WE'RE GONNA DECIDE TO GO WITH THAT, CORRECT? WELL THAT IF, I MEAN AGAIN, THE 18.5 18, THE 19,000,005, THAT INCLUDES THE, UH, THE COST OF GOING UNDERGROUND WITH PC. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE CURRENT PROJECTED, WE'LL CALL IT THE OVERRUN COST OF OUR PROJECT AS IT IS TODAY WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES OR REDUCTIONS TO THE VIBE, UH, WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE DECISION THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN MADE TO GO UNDERGROUND WITH PEC. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL MILEAGE FROM POINT A TO POINT B IF WE WERE TO DO THE 12 FOOT, LIKE FROM HERE TO STAGECOACH? CORRECT. IT'S WHAT, THREE MILES OR NO, IT'S MAYBE A MILE. A MILE. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE DISTANCE? 'CAUSE I HAD RESIDENTS REACH OUT WAS SAYING BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THIS WALTON FRIEND, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS CENTER STREET. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS IS FROM POINT A TO POINT B. WISH, I WISH I KNEW THE EXACT WHAT WOULD BE THE COST MILE. YEAH, I WISH I KNEW THE EXACT MILE FOR THE MILEAGE. MILE FOR THE MILE. LIKE AT A TWO MILES. I THINK IT'S ABOUT A, IF YOU TOTALED THE TWO, IT'D BE ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF. BUT I MILE AND A HALF A TOTAL COST [02:10:01] FOR THAT WOULD BE WHAT? 19. NO, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHORT. WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST TO THE VIBE GOING FROM UM, FRONT TO, I GUESS NOT EVEN FRONT FROM MAIN TO STAGECOACH? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? PEREZ, WE HAD THE TOTAL, THAT'S WHAT I HAD ONE RESIDENT SAY. WHAT WOULD BE FROM THE POINT A TO POINT B, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST FOR A 12 FOOT SIDEWALK? YEAH, WE HAD THE COST, UH, OF THE FIVE TRAIL ITSELF AND UNDER UNDERGROUND JUST FOR THAT. FOR THAT WE HAD 8 79 ON THE CENTER STREET OFF PORTION. OKAY. SO WE'LL CALL IT 880. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE UH, AND 6 39 FOR THE ON SYSTEM. YEAH. SO 6 39, SO 6 48 80, UM, ABOUT ONE POINT, A LITTLE OVER 1.5 MILLION FOR THE TOTAL COST OF THE VIBE TRAIL. 1.5. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST CONCRETE. THAT'S THE BIKE TRAIL. THAT'S THE CONCRETE. THAT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIKE TRAIL. AND WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO REDUCE TO A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, UM, YOUR TOTAL COST SAVINGS TO GO TO A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO DEDUCT THE COST OF THE SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. SO YOU'RE MM-HMM . YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY 101.5. YEAH. AND MAYOR, IT'S, UM, 1.2 MILES. 1.2 MILES. TWO MILES. OKAY. SO I MEAN, YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW LIKE WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST OF UNDERLYING IF WE JUST SAID, HEY, LET'S DO WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO. UM, AND AGAIN, ME AND YOU HAD A TALK AMBER, AND I WAS LIKE, HOW DID THIS STUFF COME UP? HOW WAS THIS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO LIFE? BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE UNDERPASS OVER BY BURLESON WAS GONNA BE A GOOD IDEA. AND IT WASN'T, IT'S NOT AS THOUGHT OUT AS I HAD HOPED IT WOULD'VE BEEN. YOU KNOW, AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW MANY RESIDENTS DID WE HAVE THEIR INPUT FROM? I KNOW WE HAVE THESE LITTLE, PUT YOUR STICKER ON YOUR THING AND TALK ABOUT IT, BUT LIKE, REALLY GIVING THEM THE NUMBERS AND THE INFORMATION AND, AND, AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE AND GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK AND TAKING THAT IN AND APPLYING THAT TO, TO THE VIBE. AND I'M GONNA BE REAL HONEST, I DO NOT LIKE THAT NAME. I KNOW , I KNOW AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY THOUGHT, UH, THE Y CAME FROM KYLE. THAT'S NOT TRUE EITHER. LIKE I, WE WERE ELECTED, WE KNEW SCOTT SELLERS GOT OFF THE PLANE AND JUST SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE VIBE. SO FOR ME, I KNOW FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE A LITTLE BIT NEWER, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, LIKE FOR ME IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYTHING WE DO INCLUDES OUR HISTORY. AND SO WE HAD NO FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS ON WHAT WE WERE GONNA CALL THIS TRAIL. UM, AND IN PAST INFORMATION I SAW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE EMERALD GREEN TRAIL AS WELL. UM, AND IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF CONVOLUTED. AND SO I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE, MORE INTIMATE WITH, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE NAME, BUT WITH THE PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE COUNCILS. AND, BUT IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA DISCUSS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WAY IT IS AND BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDER BUDGET ANOTHER $19 MILLION ON OUR ROAD BOND, I'M OPEN FOR THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL. BUT I THINK W THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT AND THAT WE NEED TO PUT OUT THERE AS COUNCIL. AND WE NEED ALL MEMBERS OF OUR CITY OR ALL RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PUT OURSELVES IN BIGGER DEBT ON OUR ROAD BOND. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE $16 MILLION TO BUILD ANOS SENIOR PARKWAY. AND THAT BY AGREEMENT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO. I KNOW THIS SEEMS LIKE A LOT, AND I KNOW THIS IS UNFAIR TO EVERYBODY WHO WANTS THIS VIBE, INCLUDING MYSELF. I LIVE OFF OF ONE 50. NOTHING WOULD BE BETTER THAN TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WAY FOR MY 13-YEAR-OLD BOY TO GO BACK AND FORTH. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAYGROUND. HE HAS TO CROSS ONE 50 JUST TO GET TO A BASKETBALL COURT. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS VIBE AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE STAND, WHERE WE OWE WHAT WE'RE DOING. COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA. UM, I MEAN I JUST THINK THAT ADDING MORE BUREAUCRACY TO A ALREADY, ALREADY WELL DISCUSSED PLAN AND THE DISCUSSION AROUND THERE NOT BEING ENOUGH RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT OR RESIDENT KNOWLEDGE. I MEAN, I THINK OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE OPPOSITE. I THINK WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF RESIDENT ENGAGEMENT, A LOT OF RESIDENT OPINION, A LOT OF RESIDENT FEEDBACK, UM, AS WE HAVE CONSIDERED HOW TO BUILD THIS THING OUT. UM, AND SO I I JUST FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT BE DOING A DISSERVICE OR DISCREDITING RESIDENTS WHO DO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS AND WHO HAVE FOR YEARS AND WHO HAVE TOLD US AND SHARED THEIR STORIES ABOUT THE REASONS THAT THEY MOVED TO KYLE, WHAT MADE THEM EXCITED ABOUT BEING IN OUR CITY. UM, I ALSO WANNA KEEP IN MIND THAT AS WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION [02:15:01] ABOUT COMING IN UNDER BUDGET OR OVER BUDGET AND, AND WHERE THIS MONEY IS COMING FROM, THE FUNDING MECHANISM ALSO MATTERS. UM, I THINK IN TERMS OF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS IF THIS 19 MILLION HITS OUR GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS FOR EVERYONE, JUST FOR CLARITY, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LIKE KYLE BEING IN A BUDGET DEFICIT THAT HAD TO DEAL WITH THE GENERAL FUND, THIS DOESN'T HIT THE GENERAL FUND. SO THAT'S A VERY, VERY INTEGRAL PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS THE FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR IT. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR, UH, TO HAVE A PANO SENIOR PARKWAY TO GO OUT TO A GEO BOND. AND WE'VE ALREADY LISTED A DIFFERENT PROJECT UNDER THERE AS WELL ABOUT A FUTURE GEO BOND IN 2028. UM, I, I DON'T SEE WHY IT, IT, IT IS COMPLETELY UNFATHOMABLE THAT WE COULD DO WHAT WE CAN NOW AND THEN ALSO INCLUDE SPECIFIC GEO BOND FUNDING FOR THE REST OF THE VIBE TRAIL, WHEREVER IT IS THAT WE WANNA BUILD IT OUT. UM, I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THIS TALK ABOUT MONEY AND COST SAVINGS AND WHAT THINGS COST IS JUST, I, IT BAMBOOZLES ME BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL HAS ALSO HAD NO PROBLEM PUSHING FORWARD AGENDA ITEMS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE COST AND THE IMPACTS. SO EVEN AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ORDINANCE UPDATES, WELL WE CUT THE, THE, THE FUNDING THAT WE HAD TO OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH WAS A PROCESS THAT WAS UNDERWAY, WHICH WAS GONNA CLEAN UP OUR ENTIRE CODE. UH, BUT WE CUT THE, THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, IN THE NAME OF, OF BUDGET CUTS FOR THAT NOT TRUE. SO THIS IS HOW THE DOMINO EFFECTS OF WHAT HAPPENS, HOW IT IMPACTS US. UM, I, I JUST, I WANT US TO REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION LIKE WHAT IT IS THAT WE SAY WE ARE DOING VERSUS OUR ACTIONS. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE. ALRIGHT. WHAT'S YOUR SUGGEST? CAN YOU SUGGEST IT TO US HOW WE DO THIS? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S BEEN ALREADY WELL DISCUSSED AND PRESENTED TO US TIME AND TIME AGAIN. SO HOW DO WE MAKE UP THE $19 MILLION? DO I DON'T APPRECIATE THE KIND OF SARCASTIC TARGETED FEEDBACK THAT'S NOT SARCASTIC, NOT TARGETED. IT'S A QUESTION. NO, I KNOW. I THINK IT IS BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY WELL DISCUSSED THIS AND TURNING TO ME AS IF WELL THEN GIVE US THE ANSWER. THAT'S EXACTLY THE TONE. NO, THAT'S EXACTLY THE TONE AND THE LANGUAGE AND I DON'T A APPRECIATE IT WHATSOEVER BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO NOT SOMETHING THAT ANY SINGLE ONE OF US CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK ABOUT ON OUR OWN WITHOUT STAFF SUPPORT, WITHOUT TURNING BACK TO EVERY SINGLE REPORT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER EACH QUESTION PROPERLY. SO THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER THAT I'M ABLE TO GIVE. IT'S NOT AN ANSWER THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE. IT'S NOT AN ANSWER THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY OR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. WELL, I'M NOT ASKING ANY OF THEM FOR IT. I I'VE SIMPLY ASKED YOU TO, TO AT LEAST GIMME ONE EXAMPLE TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU CAN SIT HERE AND SAY, I THINK WE CAN DO THIS AND I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN ANY KIND OF CAPACITY AT ALL. IF YOU ARE GONNA MAKE THAT SUGGESTION. I WOULD SAY, GREAT, HELP US OUT. DID, WHY DIDN'T YOU ALREADY TALK TO STAFF? WHY DIDN'T YOU GO SAY, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO AND WHAT ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN? I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT YOU SIT HERE AND EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY LIKE, OH YEAH, WE COULD DO THIS. OKAY, GREAT. LET US KNOW. ONE IDEA YOU DON'T JUST, AND IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET DEFENSIVE AND ATTACK ME. I THINK EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY. UM, I THINK AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR WAS A 2.6 MILLION. I THINK IT WAS, UM, THAT GOT ZEROED OUT FOR WHAT? UM, FOR THE VIBE. UM, AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO, UM, IS LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT DID WE DO WITH THOSE 2.6 MILLION OR WHAT WAS UNENCUMBERED OR UNSPENT FROM THAT? UM, AND WHY WAS IT ZEROED OUT? LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LARGELY TAKE A LOOK AT IF WE WANNA START SOMEWHERE. OKAY, WELL I ASSUMED ALL THE, WELL IF MR. MOHIT WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT TO ME, JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM SOMEONE WHO SERVED THREE, THIS IS MY FOURTH YEAR, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN CUT DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD IN THE 2.5 WOULD'VE TAKEN AWAY ALL THE EXCESS THAT WE HAD. SO DEPENDING ON WHICH 2.5 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY UPFRONT, ANY DOLLAR WE SPEND [02:20:01] ON THE ROAD BOND PROJECT OR PROGRAM, IT IS THE IMPACT IS ON GENERAL FUND. THE TAXPAYERS OF KYLE WILL PAY BACK THE DEBT THAT WE WILL INCUR. THAT'S ONE. THE SECOND THING THAT I WOULD LIKE FROM COUNSEL TONIGHT BEFORE Y'ALL MOVE ON, IS IF YOU WANNA PROCEED AFTER YOU HAVE NOW GOTTEN A COMPLETE PICTURE THAT THIS PRO PROGRAM OR THIS ROAD IS $19 MILLION OVER BUDGET, I WANT Y'ALL TO GIVE ME AS THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, THE AUTHORITY, YOUR APPROVAL TO EXCEED THAT BUDGET SO I CAN PROCEED WITH THE ENGINEERS AND THE CONTRACTORS TO BUILD AS PLANNED. I CAN SPEND BASED ON YOUR AUTHORITY, 19 MORE MILLION DOLLARS THAN WAS AUTHORIZED BY COUNSEL FOR THIS ROAD. AND I CAN INCUR DEBT. MIND YOU, WITH THIS $19 MILLION, WE HAVE 55 MILLION THAT WE ALREADY KNOW. OTHER ROADS ARE SHORT. SO 55 MILLION INCLUDES THIS 19. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE ME AN AUTHORIZATION, A LEGAL AUTHORIZATION TO EXCEED THE BUDGET SO I CAN PROCEED ON CENTER STREET OR YOU GIVE ME DIRECTION HOW TO CONTROL THAT COST. SO ONE OF THE TWO YOU WANT, WE ALL WANT THE SIDEWALKS, WE ALL WANT THE LIVE TRAIL, WE ALL WANT THE AMENITIES. BUT WE NOW KNOW THIS PROJECT IS 19 MILLION OVER BUDGET. WAIT, DOES THE 55 INCLUDE THE 19? YES. YES. OKAY, SO IT'S JUST 55. 55. YEAH. SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, WE'LL BE 55 AND THEN OF THAT 19 WILL BE FROM THIS. YES. AND AND THE NEXT UPDATE, WE WILL TELL YOU THAT 55 IS STILL AT 55 OR IS IT 35 OR 105? THOSE NUMBERS ARE . YES. PROBABLY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT WE DIDN'T HAVE SCHEMATICS EXCEPT FOR LIKE ONE OF THE ROADS. SO, SO I NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL AS THE GOVERNING BODY AS YOUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER BY ANY DIRECTION. WHICH WAY DO Y'ALL WANT TO GO? THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT STAFF SHOULD NOT BE MAKING. I AGREE. I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT. DO IS THERE A SO WOULD THAT AFFECT ANY OTHER ROADS IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE? YES SIR. WHICH ROADS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED THEN? BECAUSE THE LAST TWO ROADS FOR SURE. WHICH ONE ARE THOSE? CAN YOU THOSE ARE STAGE THE LAST TWO ROADS ON YOUR SCHEDULE. EAST, MAYBE EAST AND BUNTON, RIGHT? OH, NO STAGE. NO, IT WOULD BE THE CROSSING OF 35 AT KOHLER'S. THOSE ARE THE LAST TWO ROADS. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS YOU, YEAH, YOU COULD MAKE THE DECISION TO DO THE OVERPASS, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE OUT ANOTHER PROJECT. YOU COULD TAKE OUT THE KYLE PARKWAY, LAYMAN EXTENSION. KYLE PARKWAY. ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ARMS OF THAT. AND AT THAT POINT COUNSEL CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE VOTERS OR IF HE WANTS STAFF TO ISSUE NON-VOTER AUTHORIZED BONDS TO FINISH THE BOND PROGRAM. HMM. BUTTON WILL GET DONE THOUGH. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BUTTON'S GONNA GET COMPLETED. BUNTON LAYMAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE SCHEDULE WILL FALL OUT WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, BUT AS FAR AS THE BB BB EAST, 'CAUSE IT'S DONE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. B WELL, BB WEST. YEAH, RIO BB WEST. AND THEN BB EAST IS ACTUALLY, AS AMBER WAS MENTIONING IT, IT'S ONE OF THE LAST PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FROM A SCHEDULE STANDPOINT. I JUST NEED TO KNOW IF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS TO GET THE SIDEWALKS HERE ON CENTER STREET, THE 19 WHICH ROAD WILL BE AFFECTED THE MOST FOR MAYOR PROTON. THAT COULD BE A POLICY DECISION. YOU KNOW, WE COULD BRING, UM, THOSE BACK TO YOU WHEN, ONCE WE LOOK AT WHAT THE, UM, THE BUDGET DEFICIT IS AND, AND LIKE Y'ALL DECIDE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COME OUTTA THE ROAD, RIGHT? YES. SO, SO WE, MAYOR PROIN IS VERY DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT. I KNOW WHICH EXACT ROAD WILL GET DELETED, BUT I HAVE A FEELING ALREADY WHICH ROADS ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED. IT'LL BE THE LAST TWO ROADS. YEAH. WHICHEVER ONES END UP BEING THE LAST TWO ROADS. ARE THOSE LAST TWO ROADS, EXISTING ROADS OR IS JUST ONE EXISTING? THEY WILL BOTH BE EXISTING. THEY'RE BOTH EXISTING. THAT NEEDED RECONSTRUCTION, THE MORE LIKELY IT'LL BE EAST . I KNOW. [02:25:01] YEP. THE $294 MILLION WAS JUST NOT ENOUGH TO DO THE KINDS OF ROADS WE WERE TRYING TO FIX . THAT, THAT'S THE HONEST ASSESSMENT. HOW IT CAME ABOUT, HOW THE NUMBER WAS REACHED AT. I HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVE NO IDEA. AND I WAS PART OF THAT AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T TRY TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T, THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. I KNOW WE LIVED THROUGH IT, BUT NOW WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR OUR RESIDENTS. MM-HMM . IT'S BEEN THE STORY OF MY TERM. I I HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS BECAUSE WE'VE NOT CONSULTED WITH THE TEXAS STATE HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON THIS AND WHETHER, AT LEAST FOR THE ON CENTER PORTION, IF WE'RE EVEN GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THOSE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE WANT. UM, IT IT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES THE FEEL OF OUR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS HISTORICAL. UM, AND THOSE AND THE POTENTIAL FEEL AND VISUALIZATION PARTICULARLY OF THE BACK BAPTIST CHURCH, THE PORTERHOUSE, UM, EVEN MARY CALL HARTSON PARK. SO THEY MAY NOT EVEN WANT US TO MAKE THIS CHANGE. IS THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY TALK TO THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE? I WANNA BE CAREFUL GETTING INTO THE, THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS. UM, I MEAN AS FAR AS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS WAS, UM, CONDUCTED AND, AND APPROVED THROUGH TXDOT. UM, NO, I THINK SHE'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORICAL COMPUTER. NO, I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT WOULD BE A PART OF IT, RIGHT? TECHNICALLY THAT THAT COULD BE A PART OF IT. IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS MAY BE. UH, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS WERE MET. SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO GO BACK AND WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND, AND PROVIDE A REPORT OR WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REQUIRED OR WHAT WAS DONE, WHAT WAS NOT DONE. BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I DID, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS WAS, BUT WE'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST GO BACK AND TO CONFIRM. YEAH. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE BOND DID ALLOW US THE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE WHAT WE NEEDED TO CHANGE. UM, AND SO IT WAS NOT SPECIFIC ABOUT WHERE THE VIBE SECTION WAS GOING TO BE. UM, REALLY DIDN'T EVEN MENTION MUCH ABOUT IT, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE MATERIALS BEFORE THAT DID. BUT, SO KIND OF EXACTLY WHAT WE POINTED OUT WHEN YOU WENT TO THE BALLOT TO VOTE ON IT, IT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE VIBE TRAIL. SO, BUT THE LANGUAGE OF THE BOND GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO TAKE OUT THOSE ELEMENTS IF WE NEED TO. AND CERTAINLY IF WE ARE LOOKING AT OVERRUNNING COSTS BY SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT VOTING FOR THAT OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD AT ALL. DO WE, IS THERE A, A SLIDE THAT GIVES US OUR CHOICES? THERE? THERE IS NOT A SLIDE HERE THAT, THAT PROVIDES THE CHOICES, BUT, SO THE CHOICES ARE, OKAY. COUNCIL MC MCKINNEY HAS A QUESTION REAL QUICK. GO AHEAD. SORRY. I JUST, UH, I I WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IF WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY GET SERIOUS ABOUT REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO ACTIVATE THE AREA. UH, WE PASSED ON, ON PARKING. UH, IF WE PASS ON SOME OTHER FORM OF TRANSPORTATION THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY BRING PEOPLE TO SHOP IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WE'RE JUST GONNA FURTHER DELAY IT. UH, FOR ONE, I'M TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN BEING A CAMPAIGN PROMISE EVERY SINGLE YEAR AND THEN NOTHING GETTING DONE. I THINK THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE DO NEED TO PRIORITIZE, I THINK IT WILL HELP BENEFIT THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. IT WILL HELP GENERATE REVENUE, WHICH WILL FIGURE THE, THE TURF SIX, IT'LL HAVE A COMPOUNDING EFFECT, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW THE AREA TO, TO ACTUALLY BECOME SOMETHING. OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA KEEP DOING WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DOING. IT'S EXPECTING SOME DIFFERENT RESULT AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT'S CALLED. YOU KNOW, WE, WE EX WE ALL WANT PRIVATE INVESTMENT TO COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF OUR DOWNTOWN, BUT THE FACT THAT IT HASN'T COME, THERE'S IT'S INDICATIVE OF, OF THE SITUATION THAT IT IS. AND UNTIL WE INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL SUPPORT IT, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. SO FOR ME, THIS IS, THIS IS A BIG PRIORITY. UH, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GOTTA QUIT TALKING ABOUT REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN. SO THIS, THIS IS A BIG PART OF IT. YOU ARE GONNA BE [02:30:01] OKAY WITH ONE OF THE ROADS ON THE EAST NOT GETTING COMPLETED. I FEEL LIKE WITH THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE ON, UH, WE CAN TAKE WHATEVER PORTION HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED AND ADD IT TO WHATEVER NEXT ROAD BOND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IN POTENTIALLY 2028 AND NOT EVEN MISS A BEAT THAT WAY WE CAN STILL GET IT ALL DONE, OBVIOUSLY, ASSUMING THAT THE BOND PASSES. BUT YES, I FEEL LIKE THE DOWNTOWN AREA HAS TO TAKE A PRIORITY. OKAY. YEAH, MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE IF IT DIDN'T PASS AND, AND NOT GETTING THESE ALL THE ROADS THAT WE SAID WE'RE GONNA DO. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH TO GET THE RESIDENTS TO GET BACK OUT THERE AND VOTE FOR ANOTHER ROAD BOND. IT'S ALL GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON HOW WE HANDLE THIS ONE. AND SO WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET THE VOTERS TO TRUST US WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS. I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, 'CAUSE I THINK I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHY WOULDN'T WE BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE OTHER TWO ROADS? IS IT BECAUSE OF LACK OF FUNDS? BECAUSE WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO AUTHORIZE FUNDS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE THINGS. SO COULDN'T WE JUST AUTHORIZE THE FUNDING NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THOSE ROADS? NO, WE COULD DO THAT. THAT VOTE INVOLVES TAKING ON SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DEBT. SO LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN WHY. SO THE VOTERS AUTHORIZED $294 MILLION PERIOD FOR THESE ROADS TO BE IMPROVED. SO IF WE RUN OUTTA MONEY FROM THAT $294 MILLION VOTER AUTHORIZED FUNDING THAT THEY HAVE AUTHORIZED THE CITY TO ISSUE DEBT, TO BUILD AND RECONSTRUCT THESE ROADS. AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE ALL OF 'EM AND WE RUN SHORT CITY COUNCIL CANNOT JUST SAY ADD ANOTHER A HUNDRED MILLION OR 50 MILLION TO THE GO BONDS, WE EITHER GO BACK TO THE VOTERS OR WE FIND NON-VOTER AUTHORIZED BONDS TO COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS. REGARDLESS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE MORE DEBT. OKAY? SO ISSUING MORE DEBT, WE'LL INCREASE YOUR TAXES. OKAY. BUT I GUESS I'M ALSO CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 19 MILLION, BUT YOU SAID OUR TOTAL WAS 55 MILLION, SO WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING EITHER WAY. CORRECT. SO THE LAST UPDATE THAT MARK TRIMBLE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL, AND HE'S BEEN DOING IT REGULARLY ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. THE LAST ONE HE DID, HE CLEARLY EXPLAINED TO COUNSEL THAT IF WE CONTINUE ON THIS TRAJECTORY AND THESE ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE, WE WILL BE $55 MILLION SHORT TO COMPLETE ALL OF THE ROADS. IN OTHER WORDS, THE 294 MILLION WILL NOT BE ENOUGH OR SUFFICIENT TO COMPLETE ALL WE WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL 55 MILLION. YES. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT E EVEN IF YOU DEDUCT THE VIBE TRAIL FROM THAT, WE STILL NEED A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF IT. SO WHAT WERE, WHAT WERE WE GONNA DO THEN? LET'S PRETEND THAT THAT FOR THIS EXAMPLE'S SAKE, THAT WE, THAT SAME THING. COUNCIL MEMBER, THE LAST TWO ROADS WON'T GET DONE. SO NO MATTER WHAT, I JUST WANT, SO IT'S CLEAR THEN NO MATTER WHAT, WE WERE ALWAYS GONNA BE IN THE POSITION AS A COUNCIL WHERE WE WERE POTENTIALLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TWO ROADS DONE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF THE VIBE TRAIL BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY NEEDING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION TO HELP COVER THAT. WE HAVE ADDED A TON LOAD OF COSTS TO THE ROAD BOND PROGRAM. A TON LOAD OF COSTS THAT WERE NOT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED TALKED ABOUT, DISCUSSED OR ESTIMATED. YES. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE COUNCIL, REGARDLESS, EVEN IF WE DEDUCTED THIS 19 MILLION FROM THAT 55 MILLION, WE WERE STILL GOING TO BE IN THE SAME POSITION OF NEEDING TO AUTHORIZE INCREASED FUNDING IN ORDER TO HELP COMPLETE THOSE TWO ROADS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE VIBE TRAIL THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO THIS. WE WERE IN THAT POSITION ALREADY. HOWEVER YOU WANNA SLICE AND DICE IT. I JUST WANT WANT, WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, I WANT YOU COUNSEL TO GIVE AUTHORIZATION. I'M SPEAKING. I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE BASICALLY SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO OFFSET ROAD BOND COSTS. THAT, THAT IF WE DO THE VIBE TRAIL, THEN WE CAN'T COMPLETE THE TWO ROADS. WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT SEEMS LIKE BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY OVER BY THAT 55 MILLION MINUS THE 19 MILLION, WHICH IS 36 MILLION, WHICH MEANS YOU COULD COMPLETE AT LEAST ONE OTHER ROAD COUNCIL MEMBER. NO ONE ON THE STAFF IS SAYING BECAUSE OF VIBE TRAIL WE'RE 55 MILLION IN THE HOLE. NO, BUT WHAT IT, WHAT IT'S BEING SUGGESTED AS NO, IS THAT THERE IS AN OFFSET THAT THERE'S A TRADE TO BE MADE. THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THAT CM TO BS MAYOR POT TEM AND MAYOR JUST HAD WAS THAT IT WAS LIKE AN OFFSET OR TRADE OFF THAT HAD TO BE MADE. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLEAR UP IS THAT WE WERE GOING [02:35:01] TO HAVE TO MAKE A A TOUGH DECISION REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE VIBE TRAIL. WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS TO SHOW COUNSEL WHAT OPTIONS THERE MIGHT BE TO REDUCE THE COST OF CENTER STREET PROJECT PERIOD. WHETHER YOU TAKE OUT LIVE TRAIL, WHETHER YOU TAKE OUT TREES, WHETHER YOU TAKE OUT SIDEWALKS OR YOU TAKE OUT BLACKTOP. I KNOW THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS, WE ALL WANT THESE AMENITIES, BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A CALL, A POLICY CALL. I GET IT. HOW DO YOU WANNA PROCEED? AND FOR EACH ROAD WE ARE GONNA DO THE EXACT SAME THING THAT WE DID TONIGHT. WE WILL SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE, WE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S GONNA COST AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU HOW MUCH OVER UNDER BUDGET WE ARE. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA REIGN THIS IN. OR WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT. COUNSEL FULLY UNDERSTANDS THE IMPACT. AND COUNSEL AS A GOVERNING BODY GIVES THE STAFF THE MARCHING ORDERS. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS AS AN AMENITY. I THINK THAT DEGRADES THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. I THINK THAT THE VI TRAIL WILL STILL TAKE 15 MORE YEARS TO, TO COMPLETE. THIS IS ONLY A MILE AND A HALF OF IT. UM, IT'S A CRITICAL PIECE OF THAT. IT'S A CRITICAL PIECE FOR KIDS GETTING TO SCHOOL. IT IS A CRITICAL PIECE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, WHICH LIKE I SAID, IS IMPORTANT TO ME. WHAT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO ME IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO AS A CITY. UM, IT'S NOT AN AMENITY. IT'S A CRITICAL PIECE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AS OUR DESIGN WORK ON THIS, ON OUR ROADS. NOW, EVERY SINGLE ROAD MAYBE DOESN'T GET A PIECE OF THE VIBE BECAUSE ON THE EAST SIDE WE HAVE CHANGED THE ROUTE OF THE VIBE, BUT THAT'S NOT AMENABLE AT DOWNTOWN. SO I THINK THAT IT IS CRUCIAL. IT IS NOT JUST AN AMENITY, IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THIS PROJECT. IF I MAY JUST ADD, I NEED EVERYBODY TO REIGN IN, INCLUDING THE AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE WATCHING AND COUNCIL AND THE DIOCESE AND CITY. NOBODY UP HERE IS SAYING THAT THE VIBE IS NOT IMPORTANT. EVERYBODY UP HERE IS NOT SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE ONLY THREE YEARS ARE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING FOR DOWNTOWN. NOBODY'S DISREGARDING YOUR COMMENT MARK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN RENOVATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY'S LIVED HERE 50 YEARS OF MY LIFE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME THAT. WHERE OUR DOWNTOWN'S BEEN, I SUPPORTED BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES SO WE CAN GET DEVELOPMENT GOING. AND AT ONE TIME DURING OUR WORKSHOP, WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED TO COME IN AND SAY, LOOK, OUR, LOOK AT OUR DESIGN AND WHAT DO WE DO AS A COUNCIL BEFORE HERE, BEFORE YOU, WE CRUCIFIED IT. WE SHOT IT DOWN. WE DIDN'T LIKE IT. SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE ARCHES, SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT AND WE JUST BLEW IT OUTTA WATER. WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THE MONEY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN 'CAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S, UM, AND ALSO SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT THIS AS THE EQUALITY OF IT AS WELL. AND, AND AS MUCH AS WE HATE TO ALWAYS USE THE EAST VERSUS WEST, BUT THAT IS JUST WHAT IT IS FOR YOU. NEWCOMERS HERE, FOR SOME OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS, THREE YEARS, 10 YEARS, THERE IS A BIG UNFORTUNATE, UH, UNDER SPOKEN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DIVIDE OF EAST VERSUS WEST. AND KYLE, AS MS. LILA KNIGHT HAS STRESSED, THIS IS THE HISTORY. AND AND AS MUCH AS YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NEW, THAT'S THE ISSUES WE HAVE. AND AS MUCH AS, UH, MS. APO TRYING TO MAKE HER POINT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE GO WITH THIS OR NOT, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE UNDER BUDGET FOR THESE ROADS. AGAIN, THE PEOPLE ON THE EAST KYLE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING 50 YEARS TO GET THOSE ROADS DONE, THAT HAS CONTINUOUSLY FLOODING AT BUNTON, WHO HAD TO SIT IN TRAFFIC OVER THERE AT LAYMAN WHERE THEY HAVE TWO AGAIN THIS MORNING. I HAD ONE OF THOSE TEMPORARY LIGHTS GO DOWN AGAIN. OKAY, WEST SIDE [02:40:01] OF TOWN, YOU GUYS GOT CROSSWALKS, YOU GOT STREETLIGHTS, YOU GOT SIDEWALKS. I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT BY LAYMAN. AS MUCH AS I HEAR PEOPLE CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN THAT THEY GOTTA HAVE RIDE, THEY WANNA RIDE THEIR BIKES FROM PLUM CREEK AND THERE'S TRAFFIC THERE. MY KIDS FROM LAYMAN ARE WALKING IN THE MUD ALL THE WAY HOME BACK TO BUNTON, THE STATES AND CASSETTE RANCH. SO AS MUCH AS I HEAR THE HEARTSTRINGS THAT GO ON ABOUT, I WANT TO HAVE A SIDEWALK, I WANNA, I AIN'T GOT JACK OVER THERE ON MY SIDE OF TOWN. AND IT'S HARD TO HEAR IT BECAUSE I'M, I ADVOCATE, I ADVOCATE, I ADVOCATE SO MUCH FOR THE EAST SIDE OF KYLE AND YES, MAYBE IT DOES IRK ME A LITTLE BIT WHERE EVERYBODY'S SHOWING, WELL WHAT ABOUT US? WE WANT THIS DONE. WE WANT THIS DONE. WE WANT TO RE REVITALIZE OUR DOWNTOWN. WHERE ARE THOSE BUSINESSES THEN? WE'VE HAD EMPTY LOTS THERE FOR TWO YEARS. I'VE YET TO SEE ANYBODY COME KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR AND IS IT BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALKS OR SOMETHING ELSE? AND SO WHEN I HEAR THAT, WE MIGHT END UP HAVING TO PULL, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A MILLION DOLLARS, A MILLION, MISS APTA FROM JUST GETTING BUNTON DONE AND LAYMAN DONE AND INCLUDING OVER THERE OFF OF BB WHERE WE HAVE THOSE TRAFFIC LIGHTS THAT GO OUT EVERY OTHER MONTH. SOME OF THEM HAVE FLAT TIRES ON 'EM BY THE WAY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS, THOSE ORANGE ONES, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR FOUR YEARS. AND SO WHEN I HEAR SOMETIMES COUNCIL GOES, WELL, IF IT MEANS THAT WE PULL AWAY AND FOCUS MORE ON THE DOWNTOWN, EXPLAIN TO THEM TO THE EAST SIDE FOLKS HOW THAT MAKES THEM FEEL. THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT A REAL EVERYBODY IN TO SEE THE REALITY OF IT ALL. THIS REALLY IS NOT SO MUCH THAT WE'RE AGAINST A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, OF COURSE WE WANT 'EM ALL, BUT A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO OUR FUNDING AND WHERE'S IT GONNA COME ON THAT END? I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE THEN AGAIN, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA BE 55 MILLION OR 13 MILLION IN THE HOLE, I SEE A A A A PERSON OUT THERE THAT'S ADVOCATING SO STRONG FOR AN ANIMAL SHELTER WHERE WE SIT ON THAT 'CAUSE THAT CONVERSATION'S GONNA COME UP. OKAY? THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER 30, $40 MILLION THERE. SO THE MORE DEBT WE'RE ADDING IS WHAT OUR BIG FOCUS IS RIGHT NOW. AND, AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE I REEL EVERYBODY IN. IT'S NOT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THESE SIDEWALKS, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE WE'VE MADE A PROMISE TO THOSE PEOPLE IN 2021 AND 22 61, 60 7% OF THE ROAD BOND ROADS THAT WERE GONNA GET FIXED. WERE EAST OF KYLE. MM-HMM . EAST OF KYLE. TWO THIRDS A THIRD, TWO THIRDS IS EAST OF KYLE. WELL, IT'S STILL, IT, IT'S A LOT OF ONE THIRD AS FAR AS THE MILEAGE GOES. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. SO I THINK WE ARE IN A VERY DIFFICULT SPOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET ACCOMMODATE TO EVERYBODY, BUT, UM, WE JUST GOTTA, MAYOR, JUST GOTTA MAKE A VOTE. I AGREE. CAN YOU GIVE US OUR OPTIONS PLEASE? CERTAINLY. SO THE OPTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS. NUMBER ONE OPTION TO CONSIDER FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS YOU APPROVE OR AUTHORIZE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO PROCEED PENDING HISTORICAL COMMISSION REVIEW QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED. FIRST, TO PROCEED AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR CENTER STREET, OFF SYSTEM AND ON SYSTEM. AND YOU AUTHORIZE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXCEED THE BUDGET ORIGINAL BUDGET BY $19 MILLION. THAT'S OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO IS THE SAME EXACT OPTION WITH THE CHANGE BEING FROM A 12 FOOT WIDE VI TRAIL TO A SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK OPTION THAT RICK WALKED YOU THROUGH. UNDER THIS OPTION, YOU ARE AUTHORIZING ALSO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXCEED THE ORIGINAL BUDGET BY [02:45:01] $11 MILLION. OPTION THREE WOULD BE TO PAUSE UNTIL THE THREE FOLLOWING THREE THINGS. ONE, WE GIVE YOU BACK THE ANSWER ON HISTORICAL COMMISSION REVIEW VIEW. WE GIVE YOU THE ANSWER ON THE VIBE TRAIL ORDINANCE. WE BRING THAT BEFORE YOU. AND THE THIRD THING THAT WE BRING BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, WHERE WE GIVE YOU THE WHOLE PICTURE OF VIBE TRAIL, THE ENTIRE 110 MILES, AND HOW YOU PLAN TO FUND IT AND THE DIRECTION TO STAFF. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS THAT I SEE FOR THIS EVENING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GZA AND A SECOND BY MYSELF. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NOW'S YOUR TIME. PLEASE DON'T SPEAK BEFORE THE VOTE. UM, , IT'S WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO SAY. JUST SAY IT, IT'S A YES OR NO AFTER WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN, UH, THE VOTES. AND SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, I'M GONNA SUGGEST EVERYBODY SAY THAT NOW. UM, AND I GET CLARITY ON WHAT OPTION THREE WAS, AGAIN, TO PAUSE UNTIL THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION CAN REVIEW AND THEN REVIEW THE FIVE TRILL OR, AND THEN WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL 10 10 TO GET THE TOTAL. UM, YEAH, THE ENTIRE VIBE. A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF THE VIBE TRAIL PROGRAM. GOT THAT? OKAY. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. ZA? YES. FLORIS KALE? YES. MCKINNEY? YES. ZAPATA? YES. MEDINA? YES. HARRIS? YES. TOBIAS. AYE. OKAY. A MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. GOOD TEAMWORK. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE. THIS IS, WE'RE LIVING IT OUT IN REAL TIME. AND SO AS AS WE'RE LEARNING, YOU'RE LEARNING. AND FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND AND TO THE MAYOR TO ME AND GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK. SO THANK YOU. TAKE A BREAK. YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK IF THAT'S OKAY. UH, ACTUALLY LET'S DO 12 MINUTE BREAK. COME BACK, COME BACK AT NINE O'CLOCK PLEASE. ALL RIGHT, , WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND START BACK UP. THE TIME IS 9 0 5 AND WE [III.2) Consider and take possible action regarding budget amendments proposed by City Council member(s) to the Interim City Manager’s recommended Operating and Capital Budget and to provide direction regarding which property tax rates option will be considered for Fiscal Year 2026-27.  (ROLL CALL VOTE IS REQUESTED FOR EACH BUDGET AMENDMENT)] HAVE A SECOND AGENDA ITEM. SO WE'RE GONNA TALK, UH, CONSIDER AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING BUDGET AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET. AND TO PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING WHICH PROPERTY TAX RATE OPTION WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. 2027. A ROLL CALL VOTE IS REQUESTED FOR EACH BUDGET AMENDMENT. ITEM PRESENTER, THE GREAT PEREZ MOHIT MAYOR, UH, MAYOR PROAM COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD. UM, PEREZ MOHE CITY'S, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. SO SWITCHING GEARS JUST A TAD BIT FROM THE FIRST ITEM FOR THIS ITEM WE'RE GONNA COVER TONIGHT. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT. WE'RE GONNA GO OVER NEXT STEPS IN THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE ADOPTION PROCESS SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. I'M GONNA BRIEFLY TOUCH ON PROPERTY VALUATIONS AND TAX RATE INFORMATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 27. THIS IS A REPEAT OF THE LAST MEETING WE HAD ON THE TAX RATES. SO JUST TO HELP REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY INDIVIDUALLY HAVE. AND THEN AFTER THAT I'M GONNA COME BACK AND SEEK CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION REGARDING PROPERTY TAX RATES OPTION, AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE AGAIN AND THEN FINALLY OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. SO THE PURPOSE TONIGHT ON AUGUST 13TH, 2026, I PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE PROPERTY TAX RATE INFORMATION FOR TAX YEAR 2026 OR FISCAL YEAR 26 27. DURING THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SOME MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSED OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, 27. [02:50:01] CITY COUNCIL DECIDED DURING THAT COUNCIL MEETING ON ADDING A BUDGET DISCUSSION ITEM TO THE AGENDA OF THE SPECIAL CALL CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT, THURSDAY, AUGUST 27TH. SO TODAY'S BUDGET DISCUSSION AGENDA ITEM IS INTENDED FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION REGARDING ANY BUDGET AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO THE RECOMMENDED OPERATING CAPITAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 27 THAT I AS THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 1ST. SECONDLY, I'M REQUESTING CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF REGARDING CITY COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. YOUR PREFERENCE PREFERENCE AS TO WHICH ONE OF THE THREE PROPERTY TAX RATE OPTIONS DISCUSSED ON AUGUST 13TH WILL BE CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION ON FIRST READING ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2026. AND THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT, I NEED SOME DIRECTION OR GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT, IS I HAVE TO PUBLISH NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 5TH FIRST READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. SO THE THREE RATES WE TALKED ABOUT ON AUGUST 13TH, ACTUALLY WE TALKED ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT RATES, AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE AND SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE. BUT PRIMARILY TONIGHT I NEED DIRECTION ON VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE OF 56 50 PER $100 OF TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUATION, PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE, OPTION NUMBER ONE OF 56 0 0 PER $100 OF TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUATION. AND THE THIRD PROPERTY TAX RATE OPTION, WHICH I IDENTIFIED AS OR LABELED AS NUMBER TWO, WAS 53 40 PER $100 OF TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUATIONS. A QUICK REMINDER AND A SPECIAL REQUEST FROM CITY STAFF, ESPECIALLY ME AND THE BUDGET TEAM IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE CLARITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND CLEAR DIRECTION. STAFF IS RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT A SEPARATE ROLL CALL VOTE BE TAKEN BY CITY COUNCIL FOR EACH BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT IS TO BE CONSIDERED AND VOTED ON TONIGHT. SO LET'S BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE ADOPTION PROCESS, THE REMAINING STEPS UNTIL THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED AND THE TAX RATES ARE ADOPTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 DASH 27. SO TONIGHT AS I WIN, BEFORE YOU'RE CONSIDERING BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET, STAFF IS ASKING YOUR DIRECTION REGARDING YOUR PREFERENCE AS TO THE TAX RATES THAT'S HAPPENING TONIGHT ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 5TH AT 5:30 PM WE'VE ALREADY NOTICED IN THE NEWSPAPERS WE HAVE THE FIRST SET OF PUBLIC HEARINGS ON BUDGET FEES, UTILITY RATES AND PROPERTY TAX RATES. THE FIRST READING ON THE BUDGET ADOPTION ORDINANCE, THE FIRST READING ON THE PROPERTY TAX RATE ADOPTION ORDINANCE, AND THE FIRST READING OF THE PROPERTY TAX RATIFICATION ORDINANCE. THEN FINALLY ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH AT 7:00 PM THIS IS A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT AGENDA LIGHT. SO COUNCIL HAS CLEAR TIME AND DEDICATED TIME TOWARDS THE BUDGET BECAUSE THIS IS NOW IN THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FINAL OR SECOND READING OF THE VER UH, THE THREE ORDINANCES BUDGET, ADOPTION ORDINANCE, TAX RATE ADOPTION, AND FINALLY THE UH, PROPERTY TAX RATIFICATION ORDINANCE. SO LET'S GO OVER VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE SOME OF THESE SLIDES MAY APPEAR REPEAT FROM AUGUST 13TH, BUT THIS IS TO HELP REFRESH YOUR MEMORY REAL QUICK. SO WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF TAX RATES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT? NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. THIS IS THE TAX RATE THAT WOULD PROVIDE A LOCAL TAXING UNIT SUCH AS A CITY OR A COUNTY WITH APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUES AS THE PRIOR YEAR [02:55:01] USING THE SAME PROPERTIES TAXED IN THE PRIOR TAX YEAR. SO WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUES WE WILL GENERATE IF WE WERE TO, WHAT IS THE TAX RATE REQUIRED TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE DID LAST YEAR FROM THE SAME PROPERTIES ON THE TAX ROLL VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE THAT WE WILL ALSO DISCUSS TONIGHT IS THE TAX RATE CALCULATED AND DERIVED USING A VERY SPECIFIC FORMULA MANDATED BY THE STATE, THE TEXAS THAT IF EXCEEDED BY A LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHEN ADOPTING ITS PROPERTY TAX RATE, AN AUTOMATIC ELECTION IS TRIGGERED FOR VOTERS TO APPROVE OR REJECT THAT TAX RATE. AND THEN FINALLY, THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE. AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY TAX RATE THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROPOSES FOR ADOPTION AT AS ITS PROPERTY TAX FOR THE NEW TAX YEAR AND FISCAL YEAR. AND THIS PROPERTY TAX RATE HAS TWO COMPONENTS, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE. AND THE INTEREST IN SINKING TAX RATE MAINTENANCE OPERATION IS TO PAY FOR OPERATING EXPENSES OF THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SUCH AS POLICE PARKS, PUBLIC WORKS, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY FINANCE, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, JUST THE GENERAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE GOVERNMENT. AND THEN INTEREST IN SINKING TAX RATE IS FOR PAYING PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST BACK ON THE DEBT THAT WE HAVE ISSUED FOR TAX SUPPORTED DEBT. AND THESE ARE THE TYPES OF DEBT WE ISSUE IS TO BUILD ROADS, SIDEWALKS, LIBRARY AND POLICE STATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, NOT WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHAT ADOPTED TAX RATES TRIGGER AN ELECTION? THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IF OUR PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR NEXT YEAR THAT COUNCIL ADOPTS IS BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, NO ELECTION IS REQUIRED. IF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTS IS ABOVE THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE ELECTION IS REQUIRED, IS A MUST BY STATE LAW, EVEN IF IT'S A FRACTION OF ASCENT. IF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE IS BELOW THE NO NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE AND IS BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, NO ELECTION IS REQUIRED. AND THIS YEAR WE, THE CITY OF KYLE HAPPENS TO BE IN A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION. THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. TYPICALLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT. TYPICALLY THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS LOWER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. SO VERY BRIEFLY, OUR COMPARISON OF THE TAX TAX ROW 26 VERSUS 25, THE 26 TAX ROW IS $133 MILLION LESS THAN LAST YEAR. THE VALUATIONS CAME DOWN AND THAT'S ABOUT 2%, 2.06%. OUR CURRENT APPROVED TAX RATE THE YEAR THAT WE'RE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR IS 59 57 AS COMPARED TO 46 93 THE YEAR BEFORE. IF YOU RECALL, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED AN INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND THAT WAS, I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXACT REFERENCE POINT. IT WAS 12.64 CENTS HIGHER THAN THE YEAR BEFORE, WHICH WAS ABOUT 27% INCREASE. SO THESE ARE THE FIVE TAX RATES THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU AND SHARED WITH YOU ON AUGUST 13TH. SO IF YOU, YOU'LL RECALL THAT THE TAX RATE HAS TWO COMPONENTS, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND INTEREST IN [03:00:01] SYNCING. BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE TOTAL TAX RATE ACROSS ALL FIVE COLUMNS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CURRENT TAX RATE THIS YEAR THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED ALREADY IS 59 57 BASED ON THE NEW TAX RULE AND THE 85 OR CLOSE TO 85 STEPS IN CALCULATING THE TAX RATES AS MANDATED BY STATE LAW, THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE FOR NEXT YEAR IS 63 22, WHICH IS 3.65 CENTS HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT TAX RATE. CURRENT ADOPTED TAX RATE. THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE FOR NEXT YEAR IS 56 50. AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST A A SLIGHT PREVIOUSLY, THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. SO YOU YOU'LL RECALL THE VOTE, THE ELECTION IS TRIGGERED AUTOMATICALLY IF YOU ADOPT A TAX RATE THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. SO THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE IS 56 50, SO WE CAN'T EVEN ADOPT THE CURRENT TAX RATE OF 59 57 IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. SO THAT'S OFF THE TABLE. THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. WE CAN ADOPT THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE WITHOUT TRIGGERING AN ELECTION. BUT I ALSO OFFERED TWO OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. OPTION NUMBER ONE, TAX RATE AT 56 0 0, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. AND OPTION TWO WAS AT 53 40, WHICH IS 6.17 CENTS LESS THAN THE CURRENT ADOPT TAX RATE OR 10.36% LOWER THAN THE CURRENT TAX RATE. AND I WILL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE HOW I CAME UP WITH THOSE TWO OPTIONS. SO THIS SLIDE PROBABLY LOOKS FAMILIAR AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON AUGUST 13TH. JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THE YELLOW LINE ACROSS IS THE TAX RATE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE BAR, THE VERTICAL BLUE BAR ON THE LEFT OF THAT BAR. WE'RE COMPARING THE NEW REVENUE TAX RATE TO THE CURRENT ADOPTED TAX RATE OF 59 57. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY LAST LINE, THE NEW NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS WE COMPLETED IS 63 22. OUR CURRENT ADOPTED TAX RATE IS 59 57. SO THE NEW NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS 3.65 CENTS HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT ADOPTED TAX RATE OR 6.13 ON THE RIGHT OF THE VERTICAL BLUE BAR COMPARES THE TAX REVENUES THAT WAS INCLUDED IN MY PROPOSED BUDGET TO COUNSEL 33,000,592 AND $97. THAT'S THE FIRST COLUMN IMMEDIATELY RIGHT OF THE BLUE BAR ARE IF WE WERE TO ADOPT NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, WHICH WOULD, IN THIS CASE, REMEMBER I SAID THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL YEAR. OUR NEW NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. LET'S SAY IF THAT LAW WAS NOT STOPPING US, IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THIS TAX RATE, IT WOULD GENERATE $6.2 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET. SO EVERY SLIDE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU IS IN THE SAME FORMAT AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK. CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? CERTAINLY ABOUT, SO NO NEW REVENUE MEANS WE WOULD MAKE THE SAME REVENUE AS WE DID LAST YEAR, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. FROM THE SAME PROPERTIES. OKAY. SO WE ARE AUTOMATICALLY, UNLESS WE TAKE THIS TO A VOTE, GOING TO HAVE LESS REVENUE THAN LAST YEAR. AND THAT'S, AND IS THAT DUE TO THE DFE? SO LAST YEAR, UH, THE CURRENT ADOPTED TAX RATE 59 57 INCLUDED THE DEBT DEFE OKAY. WITH BASICALLY WE ARE PREPAYING OUR DEBT EARLY THAN SCHEDULED. [03:05:01] SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING A DEBT DEFIANCE IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR, THAT REQUIREMENT GOES AWAY. SO THE TOTAL REQUIRED, THE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO PAY THAT SERVICE IS GONNA BE LESS THAN THE CURRENT YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ANY NEW DEBT. WE WILL ISSUE NEW DEBT NEXT CALENDAR YEAR. OKAY. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN IT DOES. I'M JUST, WE'RE AGAIN STUCK IN A PREDICAMENT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE LESS REVENUE DUE TO CHOICES THAT WERE MADE BEFORE OUR TIME. AND THAT, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT LIKE THERE, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE LIKE, HEY, LET'S JUST DO THE NO NEW REVENUE AND TAKE IT TO VOTERS. I'M NOT, I MEAN THAT COST MONEY TOO. BUT EVEN IF WE WANTED TO DO THE SAME REVENUE AS WE DID LAST YEAR, THAT WOULD, AS YOU SAID, TRIGGER A ELECTION, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER AN ELECTION BECAUSE THAT RATE IS HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. OKAY. SO THERE'S, WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE LESS REVENUE THIS YEAR. WE WILL ONLY MAKE ENOUGH REVENUE TO WHAT'S IN OUR, TO COVER OUR BUDGET BUDGET. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE NEXT TAX RATE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, SAME FORMAT AS THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY LAST LINE, THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE IS 56 50 HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. WE'RE COMPARING THAT TO CURRENT ADOPTED TAX RATE OF 59 57 IS 3.07 CENTS LESS THAN THE ADOPTED TAX RATE OR 5.15% LESS. IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE VERTICAL BLUE BAR, THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL INCLUDED 33,000,592 AND $97. THAT HASN'T CHANGED. THAT NUMBER WILL STAY THE SAME IN EVERY SLIDE. IF WE WERE TO USE THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, IF THE COUNCIL WAS TO ADOPT THIS TAX RATE AS OUR PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR NEXT YEAR, WE WOULD GENERATE 35 MILLION 598 1 72, WHICH IS ABOUT $2 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT THE BUDGET HAS BEEN PRESENTED. SO OPTION NUMBER ONE, PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE. HOW DID I FIGURE TO RECOMMEND THIS TAX RATE OF 5 6 0 0? THE ONLY REASON THAT I CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW I PICKED THIS OPTION WAS AT THE AUGUST 1ST MEETING, THERE WAS SOME INTEREST OR DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL THAT YOU WERE TO CONSIDER MAYBE CONSIDER A WAGE INCREASE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT 1% WAS ROUGHLY IS ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR EVERY 1%. SO I ASSUMED IF THE COUNCIL WAS TO CONSIDER 3% RAISE FOR EMPLOYEES, CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THE, THE SWORN OFFICERS ARE SEPARATE AND THEY, THEY'RE UNDER MEET AND CONFER. WHEN THE TAX RATE GOES OUT TO SIX PLACES AFTER DECIMAL, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO LAND EXACTLY ON THE NEAREST A HUNDRED DOLLARS. SO AT 56 0 0 WE'RE ABLE TO RAISE AN ADDITIONAL $1.7 MILLION THAT WOULD, IF COUNSEL WAS TO CONSIDER A GENERAL WAGE INCREASE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, IT WOULD COVER THAT. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THIS OPTION WAS, WAS, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD. SO OPTION TWO, AT WHAT PROPERTY TAX RATE CAN I LAND EXACTLY OR CLOSE TO WHAT WAS IN MY PROPOSED BUDGET? AND THAT TAX RATE IS 53 40. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE SIX PLACES AFTER THE DECIMAL TO LAND ON THE NEAREST A HUNDRED DOLLARS. SO THE NEAREST I COULD COME UP WITH IS 53 40 AND WE WOULD GENERATE CLOSE TO WHAT THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS FIXED ON. SO THAT'S OPTION NUMBER TWO. [03:10:06] SO IF THE COUNCIL, SO LET ME GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE REAL QUICK. SO WE KNOW OF THE FIVE TAX RATES, CURRENT TAX RATE IS OUT OF THE QUESTION UNLESS WE WANT A AUTOMATIC ELECTION. THE NEW NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS OUT OF THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. SO THAT'S OFF THE TABLE. SO THAT LEAVES US WITH JUST THOSE THREE OPTIONS. VOTER APPROVAL, TAX RATE, OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO. SO IF THE COUNCIL WAS TO CONSIDER THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE AS THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT ON AN AVERAGE HOME VALUED HOME IN KYLE, TEXAS AS COMPARED TO 25 AND 26? SO THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE IN 25 WAS $317,616. THAT HAS DROPPED DOWN IN 26 TO $301,530 A DROP OF 16,100 ROUGHLY, OR 5% REDUCTION IN TAXABLE VALUATION. SO THE TAX BILL USING LAST YEAR'S AVERAGE HOME AND THE LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST, VERY LAST COLUMN, THE TAX BILL WOULD BE FOR THE CITY'S PORTION OF TAXES, NOT SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOT COUNTY, NOT ROAD TAX, NOT ESDS, JUST THE CITY OF KYLE'S PORTION WOULD'VE BEEN SIX $1,653 AND 76 CENTS. IF COUNCIL WAS TO ADOPT THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE OF 56 50, THEN THE SAME TAX FOR THE SAME AVERAGE VALUED HOME IN KYLE IN 26, THE BILL WOULD DROP DOWN TO $1,477 AND 65 CENTS, OR A REDUCTION OF $176 AND 11 CENTS. AND IN PERCENTAGE IS ABOUT 10.65%. SO THAT'S THE AVERAGE VALUED HOME RESIDENTIAL HOME THAT WAS BASED ON VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. IF WE WERE TO USE OPTION ONE AS THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, WHICH WAS, IF YOU RECALL, 56 50, THAT SAME TAX BILL COMPARED TO 25 WOULD DECREASE BY $189 AND 19 CENTS OR 11.44%. NOW MIND YOU, THESE AVERAGE BILLS ARE FOR AVERAGE VALUED HOME. NOT EVERYBODY IN KYLE WILL HAVE AN AVERAGE VALUED HOME. I THOUGHT USING THE AVERAGE VALUE WAS EASIER TO EXPLAIN TO OUR RESIDENTS THAN MEDIAN. UM, BUT SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE A MUCH LOWER THAN THIS. SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THIS. BUT AN AVERAGE VALUED HOME IS GONNA SEE A REDUCTION OF $189 AND 19 CENTS USING OPTION ONE TAX RATE, WHICH IS 5 6, 0 0, TAKING IT FURTHER TO OPTION TWO. NOW THE TAX RATE IS AS CLOSE AS I COULD GET TO RAISING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHICH IS 53.40 TAX RATE. SO THE SAME AVERAGE HOME VALUE IS NOW GOING TO SEE A $257 AND 19 CENTS REDUCTION IN THEIR TAX BILL, CITY OF KYLE TAX BILL, WHICH IS 15.55%. SO BEFORE WE GET TO BUDGET AMENDMENTS, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING TO DISCUSS YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS. I AM GOING TO WAIT AND COME BACK AFTER THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS ARE DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON BECAUSE IT WOULD BE UNFAIR FOR ME TO ASK YOU TO DECIDE ON A TAX RATE, NOT KNOWING WHICH AMENDMENTS YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE. SO WE'LL GO WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS FIRST, AND THEN AT THE END I WILL COME BACK AND ASK YOUR PREFERENCE ON THE BUDGET, UM, BUDGET, UH, TAX RATES. SO BEFORE TO KICK OFF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT [03:15:01] DISCUSSION, I'M GONNA ASK HOLLY TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO PRESENT AS STAFF A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND THE REASON FOR THAT, THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL YEAR WE'VE DONE. COUNCIL HAS APPROVED FOUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN THIS YEAR. TWO ADDITIONAL BUDGET AMENDMENTS ARE COMING AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THAT CITY ATTORNEY WILL BRING THAT WILL AFFECT FOR LEGAL FEES. SO A TOTAL OF SIX AMENDMENTS, BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR THIS YEAR THAT WILL IMPACT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH THAT. SHE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THE IMPACT TO WHICH FUNDS GENFY AND WATER WASTEWATER AND SO, SO FORTH AND SO FORTH. AFTER THAT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP, UM, FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS HOLLY. OKAY, CHRIS, IF YOU'LL BREAK UP MY SLIDES PLEASE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. MAYOR PROAM COUNCIL HOLLY HOLT IS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. BEFORE WE GET TO AMENDMENTS FROM COUNCIL, AS PERVE MENTIONED, UH, A BIT OF RECORD KEEPING TONIGHT AS WE CONSIDER AMENDMENTS FROM THE INTERIM, CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED PROPOSED FFY 20 26 27 BUDGET. IT IS IMPORTANT TO FORMALLY ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND DISCUSS HOW THESE AMENDMENTS IMPACT FUND BALANCE. THIS FIRST SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE SIX FY 20 25, 26 BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT HE EITHER ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL AS PERVE MENTIONED OR ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED FOR CONSIDERATION. THE PURPOSE OF SHOWING THESE TOGETHER IS TO PROVIDE A COMPLETE PICTURE OF THE ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS AFFECTING OUR MAJOR FUND BALANCES AS WE CLOSE OUT FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 26 AND TRANSITION INTO FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 27. THE FIRST FOUR AMENDMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. I HAVE DETAILED THEM FOR COUNSEL HERE. THESE INCLUDE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR PUC WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE APPEALS, $149,500 FOR THE REF TELLIS RA RATE CASE AND COST OF SERVICE WORK, $314,600 FOR THE MARKETPLACE WATERLINE PROJECT AND $298,773 AND 3 CENTS FOR SLEDGE HAULING SERVICES. TOGETHER. THESE AMENDMENTS APPROVED TO DATE TOTAL APPROXIMATELY $862,873. AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, THERE ARE ALSO TWO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 15TH. THE FIRST IS 52,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE ROAD BOND VENDOR AND CONTRACT INVESTIGATION. THE SECOND IS AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 FOR CONTINUED PUC RATE APPEAL LEGAL SERVICES. THESE WILL BE SPLIT EQUALLY BETWEEN WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY FUNDS. IF BOTH PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE APPROVED, THE TOTAL IMPACT OF ALL SIX AMENDMENTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 25 26 WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $1,014,873 AND 3 CENTS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS AFFECT THE FUND BALANCES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. AS PART OF THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED PROPOSED 20 26 27 BUDGET. THIS SLIDE BRIDGES PROVIDES THAT BRIDGE. THE KEY CONCEPT HERE IS THAT AN FY 25 26 BUDGET AMENDMENT REDUCES THE ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE OF THE FUND FROM WHICH IT IS APPROPRIATED. THAT REVISED 20 25 26 ENDING BALANCE THEN BECOMES THE ESTIMATED BEGINNING FUND BALANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 27. WHEN COUNSEL APPROVES AN ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, COUNSEL IS ALSO CHANGING THE FINANCIAL STARTING POINT THAT CARRIES INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO TONIGHT FOR THE RECORD, BEGINNING WITH THE GENERAL FUND, THE PROPOSED $52,000 AMENDMENT REDUCES THE FY 20 25 26 ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE FROM APPROXIMATELY $18.02 MILLION TO 17.97 MILLION. THAT $17.97 MILLION THEN BECOMES THE REVISED FY 20 26 27 ESTIMATED BEGINNING FUND BALANCE. ASSUMING ALL OTHER FY 20 26 27 REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE ASSUMPTIONS REMAIN UNCHANGED. THE ESTIMATED FY 20 26 27 ENDING BALANCE DECREASES FROM APPROXIMATELY $20.37 MILLION TO $20.332 MILLION. THE GENERAL FUND REMAINS ABOVE THE CITY'S 25% MINIMUM FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT SHOWN HERE AT APPROXIMATELY $17.83 MILLION FOR THE WATER UTILITY FUND. THE CUMULATIVE AMENDMENT IMPACT IS $174,750. THAT REDUCES THE ESTIMATED FISCAL YEAR 20 25 26 ENDING BALANCE FROM APPROXIMATELY $21.34 MILLION [03:20:01] TO $21.17 MILLION. AND THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27 ESTIMATED ENDING BALANCE MOVES FROM APPROXIMATELY $23.96 MILLION TO $23.78 MILLION FOR THE WASTEWATER UTILITY FUND. THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT IS APPROXIMATELY $473,523, WHICH IS THE LARGEST AMENDMENT IMPACT AMONG THESE FUNDS. THE FISCAL YEAR 20 25 26, ESTIMATED ENDING BALANCE DECREASES FROM APPROXIMATELY $25.62 MILLION TO $25.12 MILLION WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 27 ESTIMATED ENDING BALANCE DECLINING FROM APPROXIMATELY $22.86 MILLION TO $22.38 MILLION. FINALLY, THE WATER IMPACT FEE FUND IS REDUCED BY $314,600 FOR THE MARKETPLACE WATERLINE PROJECT. IT IS ESTIMATED ITS ESTIMATED FISCAL YEAR 20 25 26. ENDING BALANCE MOVES FROM APPROXIMATELY $15.46 MILLION TO $15.14 MILLION. THAT REVISED AMOUNT BECOMES THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27 ESTIMATED BEGINNING BALANCE. UNDER THE CURRENT RECOMMENDED PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 27 REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE ASSUMPTIONS, THE ESTIMATED ENDING BALANCE REDUCES FROM $162,426 TO $0. NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO EMPHASIZE THIS EVENING IS THAT THESE ARE NOT NEW CHANGES FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27. UH, THEY'RE NOT NEW OPERATING ASSUMPTIONS THEMSELVES. WHAT IS CHANGING IS THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE CARRIED INTO FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27 AS A RESULT OF ACTIVITY THAT OCCURRED IN FISCAL YEAR 20 25 26. THE CALCULATIONS SHOW HERE, ASSUME THAT THE OTHER ESTIMATED REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 26 AND THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSED REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27 REMAIN CONSTANT. THE PRIMARY TAKEAWAY FOR COUNCIL THIS EVENING IS THAT FISCAL YEAR 20 25 26 BUDGET DECISIONS DO NOT END ON SEPTEMBER 30TH. TO THE EXTENT THOSE AMENDMENTS REDUCE OUR ESTIMATED YEAR-END FUND BALANCES, THOSE REDUCTIONS CARRY DIRECTLY INTO THE BEGINNING FINANCIAL POSITION FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 27. THAT IS WHY FINANCE IS PRESENTING THESE AMENDMENTS THIS EVENING ALONGSIDE THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27 FUND BALANCE ESTIMATES TO ENSURE COUNSEL HAS AN UPDATED AND TRANSPARENT VIEW OF FINANCIAL POSITION UNDERLYING THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSED BUDGET. FINALLY, SHOULD ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS BE APPROVED BETWEEN NOW AND THE FISCAL YEAR END FINANCE WILL CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE THOSE IMPACTS SO THAT THE BEGINNING AND ENDING FUND BALANCE ESTIMATES PRESENTED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27 REFLECT THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION AVAILABLE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA? JUST ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION. UM, WITH THIS LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLAR ADDED AMENDMENTS TO THAT BUDGET, DOES THAT THEN AFFECT THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUS THAT WE WERE PROJECTING FOR 26 27 BY $52,000. OKAY, THANK YOU. DOES THIS AFFECT THE $2.5 MILLION OVERAGE WE HAD BY $52,000. OKAY. THE GENERAL FUND IMPACT FOR THE AMENDMENT THAT WILL IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND IS $52,000? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, OF COURSE. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE AMENDMENTS. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE JUST PRESENTED TO US. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MYSELF AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO CHRIS, IF YOU COULD PUT THE, UH, PRESENTATION BACK WHERE WE LEFT OFF. ACTUALLY, YOU ASKED FOR A ROLL CALL, VOTE AND ALL THOSE. SO MOVING FORWARD I'LL MAKE SURE I DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE. BUT SINCE WE HAD SEVEN, SO, OKAY. , WE WERE OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED? AH, SO THIS IS THE TIME FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND CONSIDER, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER TOBI. OKAY. WE MAYOR, APPROVE HIM. NO PROBLEM. UH, LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE, UM, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT ON MY END. GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, MY, UM, [03:25:02] MY BUDGET AMENDMENT WILL BE REVENUE NEUTRAL. IN OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT, UM, TAKING ANY FUNDS FROM THE RESERVES OR REDUCING OTHER BUDGET ITEMS. SO, UH, WHAT I'M REQUESTING IS I'M APPROPRIATING THE SETTLEMENT FUNDS FROM THE SIX CREEKS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL RESERVED AND EARMARKED BY CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 18TH, 2026 FOR KYLE EASTER PARK. SO, WITH THAT, WITH MY, UH, AMENDMENT, MAY, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, MOVE TO AMEND THIS CITY PROPOSED CIP BUDGET FOR PHYSICAL YEAR 26 27 AS FOLLOWS. NUMBER ONE, TO ADD A NEW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IN THE CITY'S FIVE YEAR SPENDING PLAN TO BE IDENTIFIED ENTITLED AS KYLE VISTA PARK IMPROVEMENTS. AND TWO, TO ADD THE 1,886,550 $45 60 CENTS AS THE EXPENDITURE BUDGET AMOUNT IN THE FISCAL YEAR FOR THE 26 27 PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE NEW CIP PROJECT TITLED KYLE VISTA PARK IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN NUMBER THREE, TO ADD THE $1,886,545 AND 60 CENTS AS DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS REVENUE FROM THE SIX CREEK DEVELOPMENT TO OFFSET THE EXPENDITURE BUDGET IN THE SAME AMOUNT. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. OKAY. DOES DO YOU GUYS, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT. BASICALLY, IT'S JUST WHAT APPARENTLY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TOBI, YOU JUST CODIFYING ONCE AGAIN, UM, THE SIXTH CREEK SETTLEMENT YEAH. TO GO TO COLLEGE ON THE 18TH. YES. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER? HARRIS, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT. I VOTED AGAINST THAT MEASURE IN, UM, CONJUNCTION WITH THE SIX CREEKS AGREEMENT BECAUSE I FELT THAT IT WAS NOT GERMANE AND THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AS A BUDGET ITEM. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT BACK IN THE APPROPRIATE TIME. AND, UH, ITEM YES. FOR THIS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, CAN I KID A ROLL CALL? VOTE CAN TOBIAS AYE. MEDINA? YES. HARRIS? YES. MCKINNEY? YES. LAURA KALE? YES. ZAPATA? YES. ROSA? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, NEXT. ANYBODY ELSE? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, AMEND THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UM, TO RESTORE TWO PART-TIME CIRCULATION ASSISTANT POSITIONS FOR THE KYLE PUBLIC LIBRARY AT A COST OF $57,058. UH, THIS WOULD FUND TWO PART-TIME POSITIONS WHO WERE BUDGETED AT $28,529. UM, WE WOULD STILL BE, UH, MINUS THAT 57,000, WE WOULD STILL BE ABOVE, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NUMBERS THAT HOLLY JUST GAVE US. 'CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE SEEING THOSE. UM, BUT IT'S STILL TWO POINT SOMETHING MILLION ABOVE, UH, WHAT WE HAVE FOR RESERVES GOING INTO NEXT YEAR IF WE FUND THOSE TWO LIBRARY POSITIONS. UM, THE LIBRARY, UH, HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT RAISE, IS THIS A MOTION? OH, I GUESS, YEAH. YEAH. THE MOTION ENDED. SORRY. OKAY. YEAH. SO WHAT, SO DO YOU THE, COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION, PLEASE, TO AMEND THE FY 26 27, UH, BUDGET TO RESTORE TWO PART-TIME CIRCULATION ASSISTANT POSITIONS FOR THE KYLE PUBLIC LIBRARY AT THE COST OF $57,058? I'M GONNA SECOND FOR OUR CONVERSATION. UM, SO I GET A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ADA, AND A SECOND BY MYSELF. UM, AND NOW THIS IS WHERE WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION. OKAY. SO, UH, THE LIBRARY HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT, UH, WITHOUT THE CIRCULATION ASSISTANCE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER REDUCING HOURS AND REDUCING SERVICES, IT WAS THEN MENTIONED, WHY DON'T WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS? AND THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CIRCULATION ASSISTANCE AND WORKING BEHIND THE DESK, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRAIN VOLUNTEERS TO DO. UM, AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP ON SERVICING OUR RESIDENTS THROUGH OUR LIBRARY, WHICH DOES SO MUCH GOOD, UM, AND IS WELL USED, UM, AND LOVED BY THE COMMUNITY, UH, BY FUNDING THIS AND STILL BEING $2 MILLION ABOVE THE RESERVE [03:30:01] REQUIREMENT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR. OKAY. I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WHEN WAS DOING MY, UH, TOWN HALL, THERE WAS A LONG LINE OF PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO BE SERVICED AND THEY WERE SHORT STAFFED. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IS, ARE THERE IS GONNA BE, IS THE LIBRARY GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE DEFICIT? IS THERE CUTS TO IT? SO EVERY DEPARTMENT PITCH 10 AND THEN DEFICIT REDUCTION. OVERALL, IT WAS 10%. SO THESE TWO PART-TIME POSITIONS WERE VACANT AND THEY WERE FROZEN IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. SO, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION. COUNCIL MEMBER, IS YOUR AMENDMENT FUNDING THESE TWO PART-TIME POSITIONS? UNFREEZING THEM AND THE MONEY'S GONNA COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES? YES. OKAY. WELL, ARE WE CURRENTLY OKAY WITH THE LIBRARY HOURS? AND WHY WERE WE GONNA HIRE THESE TWO EMPLOYEES? WE CAN HAVE THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR COME UP TO THE PODIUM. UH, LESLIE, COME ON UP. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MAYOR, PRO TEM COUNCIL. LESLIE SCOTT, LIBRARY DIRECTOR. COULD YOU REPHRASE THAT FOR ME AGAIN? YEAH. UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T CUT THE HOURS AND IF WE'RE STAYING THE SAME, OR IS THERE GONNA BE A REDUCTION IN HOURS? IF WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, WE WILL NOT REDUCE THE HOURS. THIS COMES FROM, UM, A COMBINATION OF THOSE EVENING, WEEKEND HOURS IS WHERE WE REALLY FEEL THE CRUNCH. WHICH WAS YOUR, UH, EVENT WAS ON A SATURDAY? YES, MA'AM. WE, UH, OUR LIBRARY DIRECT, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR HAD AN EVENING, I HAD AN EVENING. WE COVERED THE PART-TIME PERSON THAT LEFT IN MAY THAT THAT, UH, ITEM WAS, OR THAT, UH, 0.5 FTE THAT WAS FROZEN. THEY WORKED FOUR NIGHTS A WEEK AND ROTATING WEEKENDS. AND NOW WE'RE ALSO COMING UP IN TWO WEEKS ON SOMEONE TAKING AN EXTENDED LEAVE OF ABSENCE THAT ALSO WORKS IN EVENING. SO IT'S THAT EVENING THAT WE'RE, AND ROTATING WEEKENDS THAT WE'RE FEELING THE CRUNCH. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHY THEY HAD TO CLOSE EARLY THAT DAY. AND WE HAD TO HAVE PEOPLE OPEN. CORRECT. WE HAD NO, WE NORMALLY, THAT IS OUR NORMAL HOURS. WE'RE NOT OPEN IN THE EVENINGS ON A SATURDAY. SO, UH, THAT JUST, THAT WAS JUST CIRCUMSTANTIAL. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT AMOUNT'S GONNA INCLUDE BENEFITS? NO, THOSE POSITIONS ARE STRICTLY HOURLY. THEY DO NOT INCLUDE MEDICAL, DENTAL. THEY WORK NINE, A MAXIMUM OF 998 HOURS A YEAR. AND THAT IS A CALENDAR YEAR, NOT A FISCAL YEAR. AND WE STAY BELOW THAT. THEY DO NOT RECEIVE TMRS, UH, PAID TIME OFF ANY OF THAT IS STRICTLY AN HOURLY, UH, POSITIONS. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA. AND YOU SAID ONE WAS GOING OUT SOON ON EXTENDED LEAVE. THAT'S A FULL-TIME PERSON. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FEELING THIS CRUNCH. AND PEOPLE ARE TAKING SICK TIME, THEIR PTO, UH, VACATIONS. THEY HAVE FAMILIES AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FEELING IT. UM, EVEN THIS EVENING WE'RE, WE'RE DOUBLE DIPPING ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMMING AS WELL. AND I WAS ON CALL TO RUN UP AND DO BOOK CLUB EVEN. UH, SO WE'RE JUST, IT'S, IT'S JUST, WE'RE MAKING THE BEST OF IT. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK, I HOPE OUR, UH, COMMUNITY IS SEEING SOMETHING SEAMLESS. THEY'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING BEHIND THE SCENES. BUT WE HAVE ALSO IMPLEMENTED WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOME SPLIT SHIFTS. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE LOCAL AND THEY'RE ABLE TO COME IN IN THE MORNINGS AND THEN GO HOME FOR A COUPLE HOURS AND COME BACK AT NIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM. WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHY, UM, WE CAN'T USE VOLUNTEERS? I KNOW IT WAS A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT I WAS A TEENAGER. MM-HMM . BUT I USED TO VOLUNTEER IN THE LIBRARY. MM-HMM . CHECKING BOOKS IN, CHECKING BOOKS OUT. WE DO, WE DO UTILIZE, UH, VOLUNTEERS. I THINK WE HAD A DOZEN THIS SUMMER. WE HAVE EIGHT MORE RETURNING BACK. BUT WHAT IT HAS TO DO IS, IS THEY CANNOT ACCEPT FUNDS. SO ANYONE'S GOING TO MAKE A PAYMENT. THEY CANNOT BE INSIDE OF PATRON RECORDS. THEY CAN SHELVE AND WE ADORE OUR, UH, VOLUNTEERS THAT HELP US WITH CRAFTS AND PREPARING THOSE ITEMS AND CUTTING AND GLUING AND, AND, AND ALL OF THAT. AND THEN JUST BEING ALSO ANOTHER PRESENCE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE THE, UH, PROGRAMMING, ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN, WE NEED TWO, UH, CITY EMPLOYEES IN THERE THAT HAS TO DO WITH SAFETY FOR EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED. THEY, UH, THAT WE KNOW CPR, THAT WE KNOW PROTOCOLS AND PROCEDURES OF, OF PROVIDING A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYONE. SO WE DO UTILIZE VOLUNTEERS AND WE LOVE OUR VOLUNTEERS, BUT THEY CANNOT BE IN PATRON RECORDS. THEY CANNOT ACCEPT FUNDS THAT'S EVEN FOR PRINTING. AND WE, WE, UH, HAVE A ROBUST PRINTING MM-HMM . UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THEY ALSO, UH, MANY TIMES PEOPLE ASK US FOR HELP ON THE COMPUTERS WITH CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. THAT'S PART OF BEING A CITY EMPLOYEE THAT [03:35:01] WE, UM, ABIDE BY THOSE CONFIDENTIAL, UH, SITUATIONS. BUT A VOLUNTEER IS NOT HELD TO THAT SAME STANDARD AS WELL. UH, SO WE HELP PEOPLE WITH THEIR TAXES, WITH MEDICAL FORMS. UM, THEY ASK US FOR HELP EVERY DAY WITH VERY PERSONAL INFORMATION. AND FOR THE EMPLOYEE, THE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAT'S GOING ON, UM, EXTENDED LEAVE. DOES, DOES THE CITY UTILIZE TEMPS? UM, LIKE WE DO NOT TEMP SERVICE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S MEMBER GOZA. I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE VOLUNTEER. SO IS THAT OUR OWN INTERNAL POLICY THAT WE WON'T ALLOW ADULT VOLUNTEERS TO WORK WITH MONEY OR TO DO THE CONFIDENTIAL THINGS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? 'CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WE COULD MAYBE HAVE AN NDA THAT THEY'RE SIGNING. UM, FEELS LIKE MAYBE WE COULD HAVE LIKE A CPA COME IN, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOME TAX WORK FOR THEM. LIKE MORE ALONG THOSE LINES TO TAKE THE STRESS OFF OF OUR OWN EMPLOYEES. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S AN INTERNAL, I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THE LIBRARY IN MY 25 PLUS YEARS THAT ALLOWS VOLUNTEERS SORT OF IN THAT CONFIDENTIAL ARENA. UH, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERING LIKE FOR HOSPICE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY'RE DEALING WITH HIPAA INFORMATION AND THEN THEY'RE JUST ASKED TO SIGN THOSE SAME FORMS AS AN EMPLOYEE WOULD BE, WE COULD EXPLORE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD UTILIZE MM-HMM . WE COULD EXPLORE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. AMY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, ANY INPUT ON THAT? SO WE HAVE SEVERAL VOLUNTEERS WHO SIGN WAIVERS AT VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HANDLE THE, THAT INFORMATION ON THE WAIVERS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER DIS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I ALSO JUST THINK THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO REMEMBER DOLLY PARTON. , UH, SHE WAS, HER, HER FATHER NEVER LEARNED HOW TO READ. AND SO SHE SPENT HER ENTIRE LIFE TRYING TO IMPROVE AND INCREASE LITERACY AND EDUCATION FOR KIDS. AND SO I THINK JUST HELPING FUND THE LIBRARY IS ALSO JUST A, A GREAT WAY TO MEMORIALIZE HER. SAID SHE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW . I'M SO SORRY. BUT THAT WAS FUNNY. HE LOOKED AT ME, HE SAID, SHE SAID, OH, THIS HAPPENED LIKE DAYS AGO. IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. WE ACTUALLY PUT A DISPLAY TOGETHER FOR HER AND PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND YEAH, IT WAS OKAY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO BREAK THE NEWS LIKE THAT, BUT IT HAPPENED. IT COUPLE EVERYBODY KNEW. I KNOW. YEAH. COME ON. YOU'RE SO SWEET. JESSIE, COME ON, JESSIE, GET WITH IT. IT'S OKAY. JESSE, I'M SORRY. I HAD LIKE, I LAUGHED OUT LOUD, SO I HAD TO EXPLAIN WHY I DID THAT. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'D LOOK RUDE. UM, I'M OKAY WITH THIS AMENDMENT. UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING MORE STAFF IN THE LIBRARY. UM, I'M KIND OF TORN ABOUT NOT HAVING BENEFITS, BUT HAVING BENEFITS. IT'S KIND OF NICE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO PAY THEM BENEFITS, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE BENEFITS ARE NICE. SO MAYBE WHEN WE GET INTO A BETTER PLACE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM, TAKE A VOTE AND THIS WILL BE A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. MCKENNEY? YES. ZAPATA? YES. TOBIAS? YES MA'AM. GZA? NO. HARRIS? YES. FLORES. KALE? YES. MEDINA? NO. ALL RIGHT. THE ITEM PASSES FIVE TO TWO. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE ANOTHER? YES. I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE STORM DRAINAGE CIP TO APPROPRIATE $600,000 FOR MORENO STREET DRAINAGE AND FY 26 27, UH, USING THE PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE PROJECT FUNDING. UH, AND REDUCE THE LATER MORENO CHANGES THE LATER MORENO PLACEHOLDER BY THE SAME 600,000. SO THE CURRENT FIVE YEAR PROJECT TOTAL IS NOT INCREASED. UM, THE MORENO STREET DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S A MOTION. SORRY. THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND FOR THE CONVERSATION. I GOT AGAIN A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM. YES. UM, SO THE MORENO STREET DRAINAGE, UH, WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED IN 2015 AS NEEDING TO BE FUNDED AND COMPLETED BECAUSE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF BURLESON AND MORENO STREET, IT CONSISTENTLY FLOODS. AND WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE, UH, ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND IT WAS FORMALIZED IN OUR DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN IN 2018. SO THESE RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN WAITING CLOSE TO NEARLY A DECADE AT THIS POINT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS PLANNED IN THE STORM DRAINAGE CIP, BUT JUST IN SEVERAL YEARS. SO WHAT I'M [03:40:01] ASKING FOR IS LET'S MOVE UP THAT SEVERAL YEAR STARTING. 'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE IT STARTING IN LIKE 2030. IF WE MOVE UP THAT 600,000 TO 2027, SO THAT WAY WE CAN AT LEAST BEGIN THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE SO THAT WAY RESIDENTS ARE HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY YEARS PASSED IT WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED. 'CAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN 15 YEARS IF WE'RE STARTING IN 2030 SINCE IT WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING THESE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, I, BECAUSE THIS IS STORM DRAINAGE. CIPI DON'T THINK IT HAS AN IMPACT ON OUR GENERAL FUND OR THE RESERVES IN OUR GENERAL FUND. OKAY. CONVERSATIONS. YES. I HAVE A QUESTION. WOULD WOULD THAT, UH, WOULD THAT AFFECT ANYTHING? UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND MARTINEZ LOOP AND RIGHT BETWEEN THEIR TRAIN TRACKS, CORRECT? RIGHT IN THAT AREA. IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. OH, IT'S ON, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE TRAIN TRACKS. IT'S THE SIDE CLOSEST TO BURLESON AS IDENTIFIED IN THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. YEAH, THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER THAT. YES. AND WHEN I FIRST RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL AND I WAS BLOCK WALKING, THERE WAS A DAY WHERE IT JUST COMPLETELY FLOODED OUT. MM-HMM . AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT CREEK. YEAH. KIND OF LIKE THAT CREEK BEHIND THERE. RIGHT. EXACTLY. THAT'S IT. AND SO I, IF RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN WAITING SINCE, YOU KNOW, FOREVER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED IN 2015, BUT THE PROBLEM EXISTED WELL BEFORE THEN. UM, THIS DOESN'T CREATE, LIKE I SAID, ANY NEW GENERAL FUND, UH, APPROPRIATIONS. WHAT KIND OF, UH, SCOPE OF WORK DO YOU THINK WOULD NEED TO BE DONE THERE? IF ANY ANYBODY FROM PUBLIC WORKS MIGHT KNOW? I'M GONNA ASK, UH, OUR CITY ENGINEER TO COME UP HERE TO THE FRONT. OKAY. THAT CIP PROJECT IS, IS ESTIMATED AT 5 MILLION. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN DO WITH 600. AND I WANT LEON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YES. 'CAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT NOW. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, LEON, BARBARA, CITY ENGINEER. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH PVE TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEP FOR THAT DESIGN OF THAT PROJECT. UH, BGE IS THE ENGINEER. UH, THEY'VE GIVEN US ABOUT 10 OR 11 OPTIONS TO LOOK AT. THE ONE OPTION THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IS TO INCREASE THE SIZES OF CULVERTS THAT ARE GOING UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD BRIDGE THERE, RAILROAD, UH, CROSSING THAT'S THERE. THE, THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UH, FOR ABOUT 4 MILLION PLUS DOLLARS, ALMOST 5 MILLION, WE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT, UH, NINE OF THE 18 HOMES OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. THERE WOULD STILL BE NINE LEFT IN THAT FLOODPLAIN. AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE ENGINEERS TO DO IS TELL US HOW, HOW MUCH OF AN ELEVATION DROP DO WE HAVE IF WE DO LOWER THAT, UH, FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION. AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UH, MEET WITH PERVE ON THAT. I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND SEE WHAT OUR NEXT TWO SHOULD BE. SHOULD WE DO THAT? THE, THE SCARY PART ABOUT THE THING IS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE UNION PACIFIC AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THEIR APPROVALS TO DO THAT. THAT'S GONNA TAKE TIME AND EFFORT TO GET THAT. THEY HAVE INITIALLY GIVEN US APPROVAL TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE MADE. BUT, UH, THEY, THEY'VE, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO SURPRISE US WITH DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. THE BIG THING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, THEY MAY ASK US TO BUILD A, A BYPASS ON THAT RAILROAD TRACK. THAT'S ANOTHER $5 MILLION. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, THIS NEXT STEP WE TAKE WITH THEM THAT WE'RE ASSURED THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING PRO PROPOSE IS GONNA WORK. BUT THEN MY CONCERN AGAIN IS WE'RE STILL LEAVING NINE HOUSES IN THE FLOODPLAIN, EVEN WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND SO I ASKED THE ENGINEER, I SAID, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET ALL OF THEM OUT? WELL, THEY'RE THE OPTION, OBVIOUS OPTION IS TO BUY EVERYBODY OUT. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. SO THE OTHER OPTION IS TO TAKE OUT THE RAILROAD AND, AND IMPROVE THAT CHANNEL. THAT'S NOT, THE RAILROAD'S NOT GONNA GO OUT. SO WE IMPROVE THE CHANNEL. IF YOU IMPROVE THE CHANNELS THAT ARE THERE, WE'RE TAKING OUT A WHOLE ROADWAY. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY STUCK ON THIS AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT SHOULD BE. AND WHEN WE BRING THAT PROPOSAL BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ANSWERS FOR YOU TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE WANNA TAKE AND HOW ARE WE GONNA APPROACH IT WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE 18 HOMES THAT ARE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. OKAY. AND UH, THE 600,000 UH, DOLLARS NUMBER CAME FROM THE FY 25 26 PROPOSED PLAN? THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAD, WE DIDN'T SPEND ANY OF THAT 600,000. SO I'M WONDERING FROM THE 600,000, WHY WAS THAT? WHAT WAS THAT IDENTIFIED AS BEING ABLE TO ACHIEVE IN FY 25 26? THEY WERE PLANNING TO TAKE JUST A PORTION. WELL, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL, AS I MENTIONED, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL OPTIONS. WE THOUGHT ABOUT USING A DETENTION POND IN THE AREA, UH, THAT WOULDN'T WORK. UH, SO WE LOOKED AT, AT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF PIPE SIZING AND, AND, UH, TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT CROSSING. BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH, WE DON'T WANNA OPEN UP THAT PIPING SO MUCH THAT WE START FLOODING PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM FROM THERE. MM-HMM . SO THE 600,000 WAS TO START DOING THE STUDIES. THAT WAS THE INITIAL PART OF JUST TO DO OUR ENGINEERING DESIGNS AND GET THAT READY. BUT WE KNEW THE PROJECT WAS IN THE FOUR TO $5 MILLION RANGE [03:45:01] MM-HMM . GI AND HAVE, HAVE WE CURRENTLY BEEN ABLE TO FUND THOSE ENGINEERING STUDIES OR WOULD THAT 600,000 BE ABLE TO BE APPROPRIATED TO BEGIN THOSE STUDIES? WE BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH. OKAY. THEN THAT'S, YEAH. THEN THAT'S WHERE THE 600,000 WOULD GO TOWARDS, TOWARDS THOSE ENGINEERING STUDIES. SO WE CAN PROPERLY ADDRESS, UH, THE, THE ISSUES THERE. SO I THINK THE AMENDMENT STILL STANDS, THIS NEXT STEP THAT WE'RE TAKING WITH A CONSULTANT IS OUR 30% SET OF PLANS. AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE HOPE TO GET CLEAR DIRECTION FROM UNION PACIFIC ON WHAT THEY WILL ALLOW US TO DO. BLESS YOU. OKAY. SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO SPEAK WITH UNION PACIFIC FIRST. WE HAVE, WE HAVE, YOU HAVE, WE STARTED COMMUNICATIONS WITH 'EM. THEY DID AGREE TO THE OPTION THAT WE SELECTED OR RECOMMENDED. SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD NEWS. AND WHAT WAS THAT? SIX, UH, 60 INCH ROUND PIPE CULVERTS UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING CROSSING THAT'S THERE. I THINK THEY HAVE SIX SMALLER ONES, BUT WE'RE PUTTING SOME BIG PIPES UNDERNEATH THERE. THE QUESTION IS, REMEMBER WE CAN'T BE GET UNDER, UH, WE NEED A CERTAIN CLEARANCE UNDER THE, UH, BELOW THE RAILROAD TRACK. SO WE NEED TO STAY BELOW THAT, UH, ELEVATION SO WE DON'T, UH, IMPACT THE RAILROAD TRACK. BUT INITIALLY THEY'VE SUPPORTED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO. OKAY. AND THOSE ENGINEERING STUDIES, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO APPROPRIATE THAT $600,000 FOR THEM, THAT WOULD THEN HELP US BETTER DETERMINE THE FEASIBILITY OF WHAT THE FUTURE FUNDING LOOKS LIKE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT'S COMING FROM THE STORM DRAINAGE? STORM DRAINAGE CCP? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND IS KATHY HERE? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OKAY. SHE DOES STORM. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO GET HER OPINION AND FEEDBACK AS WELL. UM, SHE, SHE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED STILL. UM, SO IS THE STUDY THAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW ANYWAY FUNDED OR DO WE NEED THE $600,000 TO, TO MOVE FORWARD? I THINK WE HAVE SOME FUNDING LEFT. TYPICALLY WE HAVE ABOUT 500,000 WE SET ASIDE FOR THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MONEY'S STILL THERE. NO, IT'S NOT. OKAY. IT'S NOT. SO WE NEED THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO YOU NEED THIS 600,000? YES. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US AT? IN THE, IN THE GENERAL FUND? NO, THIS WILL BE IN THE STORM DRAINAGE. OH, IN THE STORM DRAINAGE. WHERE DOES IT LEAVE US WITH THE STORM DRAINAGE? DO WE KNOW? I THINK THERE'S AN ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE OF $1.5 MILLION. SO IF WE, IF WE MOVED UP TO COUNCIL WOMAN'S S UH, REQUEST, WE MOVED UP THE 2 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PLAN FOR 2030, WE WOULD BE NEGATIVE IN THAT FUND BALANCE. AND SO, WELL THE 600,000 APPROPRIATED, ONCE WE REMOVE THAT FROM THE STORM DRAINAGE, CIP, THAT'S $943,085. UM, THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE THAT, THAT 2 MILLION OR 4 MILLION OR 5 MILLION, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED THE ENGINEERING STUDY. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DETERMINE WHAT THOSE LATER AMOUNTS ARE GONNA BE. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE KIND OF PLACEHOLDERS. WE FUND THE 600,000 TO GET THE BETTER DETERMINATION OF WHAT THAT EXPENSE IS GONNA BE, AND THEN WE ADDRESS IT AT THAT POINT. SO THE AMENDMENT IS FOR 600,000? YES. THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN. YES. TO FUND THE ENGINEERING STUDIES NECESSARY TO NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS WHY I WISH KATHY WAS HERE SO I COULD ASK HER. 'CAUSE THERE'S THAT AREA RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM GREAT CLARK PARK WHERE ALL THE DRAINAGE GOES THAT I THINK COULD ALSO USE A LITTLE BIT OF ATTENTION. AND SO IT'S A MATTER OF, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS, UM, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALLOCATING TO THE CORRECT AREA. AND, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH MARTINEZ LOOP. I I DRIVE IT ALL THE TIME. I GO THERE. IT'S, IT'S, I THINK AS IT WAS ONCE CALLED, UH, THE AREA THAT TIME FORGOT. SO IT IS, THAT AREA IS, DOES NEED TO BE UPDATED AS DOES THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET FROM GRAY CLARK PARK AND SCENE IS ALL THE DRAINAGE FROM THE CITY IS, GOES THAT WAY. AND THEN IT'S RIGHT BY THE LIBRARY IN THE BIG DETENTION POND. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN TO RESIDENTS THAT HAVE HAD WATER THAT GOES UP ABOVE, THERE'S LIKE A BARRIER AND IT GOES UP ABOVE THAT AND ONTO THEIR KIDS' PLAY AREA, LIKE THEIR PLAY SCAPE. AND SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR, FOR THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PROBABLY OBTAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON BOTH AREAS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AMENDING AND, AND PLACING IN. I THINK I CAN HELP ANSWER A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. 'CAUSE WE DID GET A, A DRAINAGE UPDATE OF WHAT WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR OUR MASTER PLAN. WE REVIEWED IT. UM, AND IN THOSE UPDATES IT DID OUTLINE HOW THE ROAD BOND IMPROVEMENTS ALSO HELPS FIX SOME OF THAT. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ONE WAY IN WHICH IT'S BEING ADDRESSED. UM, I THINK THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE HAVE IS TO DIRECT SOME SORT OF LIKE BEGINNING LOOK INTO HOW [03:50:01] WE IMPROVE THE REST OF IT FROM WHAT CAN'T BE SOLVED THROUGH THE 2022 ROAD BOND, UM, IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH. DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA? AMBER? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DRAINAGE PLANS FOR THAT AREA. OKAY. OH, IS LOU COMING FORWARD? YEAH. OKAY. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CENTER, CENTER, UH, AREA THERE OFF CENTER STREET BY, UH, GREG CLARK PARK. YES. YES. RIGHT BY, UM, ACROSS THE STREET WHERE ALL THE DRAINAGE WE'RE STILL EVALUATING THAT. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE JUST, LET ME GO BACK A LITTLE BIT IN HISTORY. UH, I WATCHED HIM WA, BILL WALLACE, THAT'S HOW LONG I'VE BEEN AROUND. MM-HMM. I WATCHED HIM BILL WALLACE AND NO DETENTION WHATSOEVER ON WALLACE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG FACILITY. AND EVERY TIME THEY WOULD REMODEL THOUGH, I MADE SURE THAT THEY, THEY ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE FOR WHAT THEY ADDED ON. UM, SO THAT PARTICULAR AREA THERE, ESPECIALLY AROUND, UH, UH, THE SCHOOL, THAT AREA HAS BEEN FLOODING FOR YEARS AND THERE WAS SEVERAL VILLAGE THAT WERE THERE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONE OBVIOUSLY, SO THEY DON'T FLOOD NOW, OBVIOUSLY. UM, BUT UH, ALSO A PIECE OF HOMETOWN, KYLE, THAT AREA, UH, DIDN'T HAVE DETENTION EITHER. SO ALL THAT WATER HAS BEEN COMING DOWN THAT AREA FOR YEARS. AND EVEN IN 2017 WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT UPDATING THOSE ROADS IN THERE, UH, KEPT TELLING THE ENGINEERS THAT WERE DESIGNING, SAYING, GUYS, WE HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE HERE THAT WAS NEVER DETAINED. SO BE AWARE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE. THE LINGO WE'RE HAVING TODAY IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO BUILD ATTENTION IN THERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT GREG CLARK PARK, BUT THAT'S A PARK. SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN HANDLE THAT DETENTION AND HOW WE CAN PROVIDE ENOUGH DETENTION TO HANDLE THAT. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH PARK'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVES TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO THERE TO HELP WITH THAT DETENTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THERE'S A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. HARRIS? YES. TOBIAS? YES. FLOS. KALE? YES. MEDINA? YES. ZAPATA? YES. GZA? YES. MCKINNEY? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS HAD, I KNOW YOU MAY NOT BE DONE, BUT I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE. YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, IN THE NEW BUDGET WE INCLUDE A 3% RAISE FOR OUR NON-SWORN, UH, EMPLOYEES. I THINK THAT THEY ARE TAKING ON A HUGE BURDEN. WELL, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. OH, OF COURSE. . SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. I GOT A MOTION BY HARRIS AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. DUBIOUS. I THINK THEY TAKE ON A HUGE BURDEN. WE'VE, UM, REDUCED STAFF, UH, AND TO TELL THEM THEY GET NO RAISES IN THE COMING YEAR, I THINK IS UNFAIR TO THEM. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LESLIE OR WE WERE TOLD THAT YES, THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. WE MAY LOSE STAFF OR WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTRACT, UH, STAFF TO VACATE VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE. IF WE DO THIS, UM, WE WILL HAVE THE MONEY, UH, AND THE RESERVE FUND AND THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE FUND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, AND AS I'D SAID BEFORE, THAT FUND DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY, UH, REFUNDED IN ANY GIVEN YEAR. IT CAN BE REFUNDED OVER MORE THAN ONE YEAR'S TIME, UH, AND USUALLY IS. SO I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO BE FAIR TO OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, I THINK A 3% RAISE, WHICH IS 1.5 MILLION, IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE AND IS WITHIN OUR BUDGET CAPACITY. GREAT. RIGHT. COMMENTS? UH, JUST A QUESTION. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME? AND THEN, GOD, REMEMBER KENNY, SORRY, THERE'S A LAG. UM, BUT I THINK WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT STAFF RECEIVED A RAISE AND HOW MUCH WAS IT? WELL, THEY GO AHEAD. GIVE US THE LAST FIVE RAISES. HOW ABOUT THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL REMEMBER ALL FIVE, BUT 20, 21, THIS, THE CURRENT BUDGET WAS BASED ON A 5% AVERAGE MERIT INCREASE. SOME PEOPLE GOT THREE, SOME PEOPLE GOT TWO, SOME PEOPLE GOT FIVE. IT ALL DEPENDS. OKAY. WHEN WAS THE 20%? 20% WAS, UH, THREE YEARS AGO BEFORE LANGLEY GOT HERE. 21. SO IT HAD TO BE 2022. IT WAS 2022. SO IN 2022 THEY GOT A 20% RAISE. AND, AND DID THEY GET, OH, SAY, SO THAT'S 23. DO WE KNOW IF THEY GOT A RAISE THEN? YES. EVERY YEAR SINCE THEN. EVERY YEAR SINCE THEN. OKAY. LOOK, I THINK MY STAFF, [03:55:01] OUR STAFF KNOWS THAT WE LOVE THEM. I LOVE THEM. UM, AND I, I KNOW THEY'RE HARD WORKERS. YES, I DO. UM, I, I CAN SAY I'VE SPOKEN TO PROBABLY FIVE TO SEVEN THAT ARE LIKE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH. UM, IF, IF WE'RE ADAMANT THAT WE WANNA GIVE A RAISE TO CERTAIN TO STAFF, I MIGHT BE ON BOARD IF WE DO IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE A CERTAIN INCOME OR BELOW GIVING THEM A RAISE, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND YOU GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, TWO OR 3% RAISE, UH, GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBERS, , UM, WE DO LONGEVITY PAYMENTS, CORRECT? YES. AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE TO LOAD ANYTHING? WELL, I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S INCLUDED IN THEIR PAY, DO WE HAVE TO LOAD ANYTHING ON THE BACKEND, LIKE HR WISE FOR LIKE BENEFITS AND WHATNOT? THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE LONGEVITY PAY. SO THE LONGEVITY PAY, WHATEVER THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT HAPPENS TO BE IS BASED ON YEARS OF SERVICE. MM-HMM . SO EVERY EMPLOYEE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT WE ADD TO IT PAYROLL TAXES, TMRS. OKAY. SO ANY SORT OF, UH, LIKE ONE TIME PAYMENT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE, LIKE T-T-M-R-S AND ALL THE BENEFITS? YES. OKAY. IT'S SUBJECT TO THOSE. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS COUNCILOR MCKINNEY. OH YEAH, GO AHEAD. YES. UH, THANK YOU DR. HARRIS FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND, UH, AT AT LEAST SOME KIND OF RAISE AS WELL. I, I HAVE, HOWEVER, HAVE RECENTLY HEARD SOME, UH, SOME, SOME STUFF FROM OUR, UH, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS. UH, KLEA REACHED OUT TO ME AND THERE'S SOME, UH, SOME PRETTY CONCERNING CUTS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND A, A 2% RAISE AND, UM, AND ROUGHLY 800,000 TO COVER, UH, MAINTAINING OUR, OUR FLEET OF, OF PATROL CARS AND RESTORING THE 150,000, UH, ANNUAL FOR, UH, FOR TRAINING FOR THE POLICE STATION. UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RATHER. UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO, UH, TO ALTERING YOUR, YOUR MOTION. WELL, I THINK THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION REALLY TO START DEFUNDING OUR POLICE AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME. UH, THEY'VE, THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, THEY'VE SUFFERED JUST AS MUCH AS EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT HAS. UH, I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR STAFF, BUT I THINK THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A POLICE FORCE THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE FULLY TRAINED. AND WE CERTAINLY NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH PATROL CARS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM SERVICE THE COMMUNITY. SO COUNCIL MEMBER, THIS IS NEWS TO ME THAT WE HAVE ELIMINATED OR REDUCED THEIR FLEET BUDGET. IT, UH, GOT PHONE CALLS FROM, FROM A HANDFUL OF GUYS ACTUALLY YESTERDAY. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE OTHER CHIEF IS NOT HERE. I PUT HIM ON THE PODIUM TO TELL EVERYBODY WHAT CLEA IS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT. I WAS TOLD 650,000 HAD TO BE REMOVED FROM THE, FROM THE FLEET BUDGET. AND THEN WE WERE HAVING TO GIVE UP, UH, OUR PATROL CARS SIGN SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. YOU THINK YOUR EXECUTIVE TEAM HERE WOULD ALLOW THAT? IS IT IN THE BUDGET? LIKE WE HAVE A PROPOSED BUDGET. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT TO CONFIRM IN CASE COUNCIL MEMBER? WELL, WE HAVE A COMMANDER GRIFFITH HERE. HE CAN EXPLAIN IT. OKAY. AND THEN WE ALSO DO HAVE MEET AND CONFER LIKE IN THIS, SO THEY ALREADY DO GET THE INCREASE IN RAISE. SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STILL HAVE THAT. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY IS JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE CARS ARE, BUT ARE WE ON THE CONVERSATION OF THE EMPLOYEE? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE. WE'RE WE'RE YET. I DON'T KNOW HOW OH, NO. I REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY WANTED TO, TO TAKE THE, AND, AND WE GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $1.5 MILLION AND WE HAD WHAT WAS OUR CUSHION? OUR CUSHION, AND I DON'T EVEN WANNA CALL IT A CUSHION. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOTTA BE RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR MONEY. WE CAN'T USE THE SAME MENTALITY THAT GOT US INTO THIS SITUATION. SO MOVING FORWARD, I KNOW YOU, MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THAT WE COULD, WE COULD DO THE TWO OF THOSE AND STILL STAY WITHIN OUR VOTER APPROVED. I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A DIFFERENT MOTION. THIS IS, MY MOTION IS SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES. UM, THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS MEET AND CONFER. AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING SALARY. WELL, IT [04:00:01] SPECIFICALLY COMES OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH THERE WOULD BE NO ROOM LEFT IN THE TAX REVENUE TO HANDLE THESE THINGS. WELL, OUR OFFICERS ARE GONNA GET THE RAISE, GIVE THE INFORMATION ON PROBATION, MAKING CONFER OUR, OUR UNIFORMED OFFICER, NOT TALK ABOUT RACES. LET'S NOT TALK OVER EACH OTHER. OKAY. I I WANNA CLARIFY WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY'S TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE PHYSICAL VEHICLES. MM-HMM . AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SALARIES. YES. SO THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THEY DO COME FROM THE SAME BUDGET. YES. SO COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY, I MEAN THIS IS KIND OF THE HARD PART ABOUT MAKING MOTIONS NOW. NOW WE'RE ONTO, THIS IS 1.5 MILLION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY CANNOT ADVOCATE FOR MM-HMM . IN THE FUTURE. AND SO WHEN WE TAKE THESE VOTES, WE JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT. AND IT'S EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE TO TALK ABOUT SALARY, UM, IN FRONT OF THE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY ONE OF 'EM TO GET THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM OR THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PAY THEM. UM, I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE BEEN IN THE PREDICAMENT. I DIDN'T GET A RAISE FOR FOUR YEARS AT THE JOB THAT I WORKED AT EIGHT YEARS. AND THAT'S THE REALITY. SOMETIMES YOU JUST DON'T GET A RAISE. IT'S NOT PERSONAL. BUT THAT'S WHY I HAVE MAYBE ONE BUDGET AMENDMENT. 'CAUSE I AM LEANING ON OUR FINANCE TEAM AND OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO MAKE THESE CALLS. BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST IN A REALLY, I, I MEAN, ME AND CAL AND MAYOR PRETEND TO BE US, HAVE SAT IN BUDGET MEETINGS WHERE WE JUST PING PONG STUFF ALL THE WAY, LIKE AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY. 'CAUSE WE ARE LIMITED ON OUR, ON OUR MONEY. SO MY ONLY ASK IS THAT WE BE THOUGHTFUL OF OTHER PEOPLE, UM, BLESS YOU. OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE A, IF WE PASS THIS AS A MILLION DOLLARS LEFT IN OUR GENERAL FUND BEFORE WE HIT YET ANOTHER DEFICIT. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BRING US CLOSER TO 900,000, UM, SINCE WE WERE ALREADY APPROVING SEVEN, WAS IT SEVEN AMENDMENTS FOR 25, 26, UM, THAT COME OUT OF THAT. AND THAT'S NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ANY FUTURE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA FACE IN 26, 27 FOR THINGS THAT GO AWRY OR NOT AS PLANNED. UM, SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK OUR STAFF WOULD DESERVE RAISES. UM, I WOULD NEGOTIATE FURTHER TO SAY MAYBE CONSIDER SOMETHING BETWEEN, AND WE COULD HAVE NOT NECESSARILY A VOTE ON IT, BUT A PRESENTATION BROUGHT BACK TO US. 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO DO THIS TWO MORE TIMES, UM, TO SAY WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE FOR A RANGE OF 1.5 TO 3% FOR THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND FOLKS, THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT IN THE ELEMENTS DOING THE HARD WORK. MM-HMM . NOT NECESSARILY THOSE THAT ARE IN THE OFFICE. THAT WOULD BE MY, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS. OKAY. I WOULD, I WOULD ACCEPT, UM, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT I I WOULD NOT, UH, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UM, SAYING POSITIONS THAT ARE BELOW DIRECTOR POSITION OR WHAT IF WE WANNA DO ON THAT, WE GET THE 3%. UM, AND IF WE WANNA BRING THAT BACK PERVE, IS THAT, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? YES. IF, IF I COULD GET CLARIFICATION WHERE YOU WANNA CUT OFF. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. SO LET'S, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, CAN I OFFER A FRIENDLY THOUGHT? 'CAUSE I WANTED TO ADDRESS STAFF SALARIES AS WELL, UM, IN A WAY THAT PUTS LESS CAPACITY ON THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE'RE STILL UP ABOVE THAT, THAT 1.7, $1.5 MILLION RANGE IN OUR RESERVES VERSUS GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 900 AND SO THOUSAND. UM, SO, UH, KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE LONGEVITY PAY. UM, WHEN I WORKED AT THE STATE, UH, ONE THING THAT WE DID WAS ARMED OUR PAY, REST AND RECOGNITION PAY. UM, SO WHENEVER THE LEGISLATOR WASN'T ABLE TO FUND, UM, STAFF SALARIES FOR, UH, LIKE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY SURVEYORS AND UM, UH, NURSES OR CNAS THAT ARE STAFFED WITHIN THERE, UH, THAT ARE LIKE PAID FOR BY THE STATE. UM, WHAT WE DID WAS WE WOULD GIVE LIKE THESE ONE TIME PAYMENTS, UM, WHICH WAS MORE AFFORDABLE ON OUR END BECAUSE IT MEANT THAT IT WAS SIMILAR ACROSS THE BOARD THAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU EARNED, IT WAS GOING TO BE A SET AMOUNT. UM, AND IN, AND I THINK THAT WOULD APPLY HERE AS WELL. SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN IN THE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING BROUGHT FORWARD BY CM HARRIS, UM, NOT ALL OF THAT ACTUALLY HITS THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME STAFF THAT ARE SPREAD ACROSS THE, LIKE WATER WASTEWATER FUND AND ALL OF THAT. SO ALL OF THE, THE 1.5 MILLION WOULD NOT HIT THE GENERAL FUND COMPLETELY. UM, I THINK AS A WAY IN WHICH, UH, BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM HOLLY ABOUT WHAT OUR LOAD RATE WAS, WHICH IS ABOUT LIKE THAT 22 POINT SOMETHING PERCENT, UM, WHICH TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO INPUT ON OUR END FOR LIKE BENEFITS AND TAXES AND WHATNOT. [04:05:01] UM, FOR ANY SORT OF ONE-TIME PAYMENT, IF WE WERE TO DO LIKE AN $1,800, UH, UH, REST AND RECOGNITION PAYMENT FOR, UH, THE EL ELIGIBLE UNSWORN CIVILIAN STAFF, I GUESS EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T LIKE HAVE THE MEET AND CONFER INCREASE, UM, THE CITYWIDE LOADED COST OF $1,800 WOULD BE AROUND $500,000 OR SO. AND THEN THE ESTIMATED GENERAL FUND IMPACT WOULD BE AROUND 390,000. SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN A 1.1, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT MILLION IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES. UM, IF WE WANTED TO DO A $1,500, UH, REST AND RECOGNITION PAYMENT, THE, UH, ESTIMATED GENERAL FUND COSTS WOULD BE ABOUT $325,000. AND I PUT IN 1200 HERE AS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH THE STIMULUS CHECKS WERE. SO I WAS LIKE, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF CONTINUITY, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE A GENERAL FUND IMPACT OF AROUND $260,000. SO WHAT I WANT TO SUGGEST AS MY AMENDMENT FRIENDLY POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION IS DOING A ONE-TIME, UH, REST AND RECOGNITION PAYMENT OF $1,800. UM, FOR STAFF. THE WAY THAT I CALCULATED THIS NUMBER WAS I ASKED, UM, HOLLY FOR THE AVERAGES OF OUR NON-SUPERVISORY NON-MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES, AND THEN I TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THE CLOSEST I COULD GET TO LIKE 5%. SO THIS $1,800 IS ACTUALLY MORE MONEY THAN PEOPLE WOULD GET IF WE GAVE THEM A 3% RAISE. UM, AND SO THIS WAY IT ALLOWS FOR US TO CONTINUE FUNDING, UH, THE, ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT MAY COME UP. UH, BECAUSE IT HAS LESS IMPACT ON OUR GENERAL FUND, UH, BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. UM, AND STILL ALLOWS US TO GIVE A THANK YOU TO STAFF, UM, THAT, LIKE I SAID, WOULD ACTUALLY COME OUT TO MORE THAN WHAT THEY WOULD GET OTHERWISE IF WE JUST DID A 3% RAISE. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR STAFF ARE WATER AND WASTEWATER? BECAUSE THE 1.5 MILLION INCLUDES THEM. HOLLY, DO YOU HAVE THAT? I HAVE THE PERCENT. YEAH. I'M GONNA SAY IF THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE WANT, WE NEED TO HAVE A PRESENTATION. UM, I DO APPRECIATE LIKE THE THOROUGH RESEARCH, BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M, I I'M, I NEED TO, TO HAVE IT SHOWN TO ME FROM HOLLY OR CHRIS, I WOULD BE WILLING TO TABLE MY, MY MOTION TO HAVE THAT BROUGHT BACK WITH THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE IMPORTANT. THEY DO DESERVE TO HAVE SOME FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION, WHETHER IT BE A ONE TIME ENDING, CONSIDER RAISES THE NEXT BUDGET PERIOD OR, UH, 3% RAISE, UH, NOW AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT GENERAL FUND AND WASTEWATER AND WATER FUNDS. SURE. WE WILL COUNSEL, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION SO WE KNOW WHAT OUR ASSIGNMENT IS. IT'S 3% GENERAL WAGE INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD OR AT A CERTAIN LEVEL AND BELOW AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, IF YOU'LL BRING THAT BACK. AND WOULD THAT LEVEL BE, UM, IS IT A DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU HAVE IN MIND? NO, I WAS THINKING THE DIRECTOR, UM, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR BELOW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. BELOW ASSISTANT. OKAY. BELOW THE SUPERVISOR MANAGEMENT BELOW. YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO YOU'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT DIRECTORS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR STRUCTURE IS RIGHT NOW. SO I'M, I'M NOT POSITIVE ABOUT THAT. UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE GO BACK AND DO THIS HOMEWORK, I BET YOU EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE BELOW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. RIGHT. EVEN IF THEY'RE DIVISION MANAGERS, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE BELOW ASSISTANT. SO ARE YOU INTENDING TO INCLUDE DIVISION MANAGERS, SUPERINTENDENTS? IF NOT, THEN I CAN GO. OKAY. JUST LINE EMPLOYEES. SUPERINTENDENTS CERTAINLY TEND TO BE LINE, YOU KNOW, THEY DO THE DAILY WORK AS WELL. UM, SO I THINK IF YOU WILL, ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE ORGANIZED RIGHT NOW. UM, IF YOU WILL, THE, THE UPPER MANAGEMENT DRAW THE LINE. OKAY, GOTCHA. WHEREVER THAT IS NOW. YEAH, SURE. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE DRAWING THE LINE. THANK YOU. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THAT, TO GET YOUR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS A ONETIME PAYMENT. YES. IT DOESN'T GET ADDED TO THEIR BASE PAY. YES. JUST A ONETIME PAYMENT. OKAY. IS IT TO ALL, OR IS IT CERTAIN LEVEL [04:10:01] OF EMPLOYEES TO ALL THAT ARE NOT MET BY MEET AND CONFER? OKAY. JUST ONE FLAT ALL CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES? YES. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU WANNA, THIS GOES ON TOO. OKAY. I THOUGHT WHEN WE WERE BRINGING BUDGET AMENDMENTS FORWARD THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL. LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DEDUCTING FROM ONE COLUMN IF WE WERE GONNA ADD TO ANOTHER ONE. IS THAT NOT THE CASE? I MEAN, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS PROPOSING. THEY WOULD TAKE IT OUT OF OUR, OUR RESERVE FUND, WHICH IS OVER RESERVE RESERVE. THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT WHAT, WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM HAD DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO TAKE AWAY FROM OUR RESERVES. WELL, WE'RE OVER RESERVE, BUT OUR MINIMUM, YES. AND THEN WE HAVE NO CUSHION OVER OUR RESERVE. SO OUR CHARTER STATES THAT WHEN WE DIP INTO RESERVES, IT HAS TO BE FOR AN EMERGENCY TYPE SITUATION. WHEN YOU ARE SPENDING BASICALLY ALL OF THE CUSHION ABOVE THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, YOU CAN'T, LIKE YOU HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, BUT OTHER THAN INTO YOUR RESERVES OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO AN EMERGENCY CUT SPENDING AGAIN. SO IT WOULD BE, I THINK, IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST TO HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CUSHION ABOVE THAT REQUIRED RESERVE FOR THINGS THAT'S WHAT THE RESERVE IS FOR THOUGH. THAT SHE, WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS, RESERVES ARE FOR ABOVE RESERVE, YOU HAVE RESERVE. RIGHT. SO WHERE'S THE EMERGENCY? 'CAUSE OUR CHARTER SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. I THINK TO CLARIFY ALL OF THIS DOES NOT DIP INTO RESERVES. YEAH. EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED DOES NOT DIP INTO RESERVES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER BAD YEAR WHERE WE DON'T MAKE AS MUCH SALES REVENUE OR WE MISS OUR TARGET SOMEWHERE ELSE ON REVENUE, AND THEN WE EAT AWAY THAT LITTLE BIT OF CUSHION THAT WE HAVE OVER AND ABOVE OUR RESERVES. WELL, WE HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER THAT THEY'RE STILL SCRUBBING, THAT WE'RE STILL SCRUBBING, EVEN LIKE OUR CIP PLAN TO BRING COSTS DOWN EVEN MORE. UM, WHICH WILL THEN LOWER OUR OPERATING COSTS AS WELL, WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT IN RESERVES. 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, 25% BASED OFF OF OUR GENERAL FUND OPERATING COSTS. SO I THINK THAT ALL OF THESE ARE STILL REVENUE NEUTRAL. AND EVEN IF WE WERE, AT LEAST, IF WE WERE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, LIKE A ONE-TIME $1,800 PAYMENT, UM, THAT GENERAL FUND HIT IS GONNA BE, LIKE I SAID, AROUND THAT $390,000. SO IT WOULD STILL BE ABOVE THE RESERVES BY ONE POINT SOMETHING MILLION. UM, SO I, AND I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST A, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE WOULD STILL BE ABOVE OUR RESERVES BY A DECENT CUSHION THAT IS EXPECTED TO GROW OVER TIME TOO. PERVE WHEN, SO WE INVEST OUR RESERVE AMOUNT. CORRECT. AND THEN ANYTHING WE BASICALLY KEEP INTO THE BANK, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE INVEST. SO HOW THEN AS WE DWINDLE DOWN THAT BIT OF CUSHION THAT WE HAVE, DOES THAT AFFECT OUR BUDGET GOING FORWARD? BECAUSE THAT'S LESS MONEY THAN THAT WE HAVE TO PUT INTO INVESTMENT. THE INTEREST EARNINGS WILL, WILL BE AFFECTED. SO IT WILL BASICALLY MORE THAN IMPACT JUST THAT LITTLE BIT. IT WILL IMPACT MORE OF THE BUDGET THAN THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT. AND WE'RE ALSO USING IT TO FUND OKAY. LIBRARIES AND DRAINAGE SO FAR. GET IT LIKE THESE ARE NEEDED THINGS, GET IT. UNDERSTOOD. I JUST NEED YOU TO LET ME FINISH BECAUSE THE WAY THE COUNCIL MEMBER GOES, UH, SEES THINGS IS DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF US. DIFFERENT THAN ME. FOR SURE. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE, WE DO REALLY NEED TO, TO BUILD UP OUR RESERVE. I, I'M NOT A, I DON'T LIKE TO LIVE ON THE BRIM AND WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE RAISES. UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE PAYING THESE RAISES THAT DON'T GET RAISES. RIGHT? LIKE, WE GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT'S THE BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENT. I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN WE SIT HERE IN FRONT OF STAFF TO TALK ABOUT PROTECTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS WHEN IT MEANS THEY MAY NOT GET A RAISE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT WE'RE ELECTED TO DO, IS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS BENEFITS THE, THE TAXPAYER. AND I, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH OUR STAFF MAKES BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW THERE ARE TIMES AND, AND I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT WHEN HISTORICALLY WHEN YOU WORK IN THE GOVERNMENT SIDE OF THINGS, YOU EITHER GET, YOU USUALLY JUST GET GOOD BENEFITS, RIGHT? AND THEN ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, YOU GET GOOD PAY, MAYBE SOMETIMES BENEFITS. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE AS A CITY IS WE'VE GIVEN PRETTY GOOD PAY AND GOOD BENEFITS AND IT'S DUG US INTO A HOLE WHERE NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE KIND OF DECISIONS. AND SO [04:15:01] I DO APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER GOA'S PERCEPTION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ONLY TAKING IT OUT OF POSSIBLY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE LOWERING OUR CUSHION, BUT WE'RE ALSO TAKING POSSIBLE INTERESTS THAT WE COULD BE PAID SINCE WE INVEST THAT AMOUNT THAT'S IN OUR RESERVE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN DO THE MATH, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVEN A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S A LOT OF INTEREST TO GET PAID. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I'LL TABLE THIS, UH, MOTION FOR, UM, THE FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR US TO BRING MORE INFORMATION FOR. YEAH, IF YOU CAN BRING, OH, COUNCILMAN KINNEY HAS HIS FINGER UP. OH, JUST, UH, SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON THE TOPIC OF, OF RESERVE FUNDS AND RE YOU KNOW, RESERVE DOLLARS FOR A LITTLE BIT. I'VE, HERE LATELY I'VE BEEN KIND OF WONDERING WHY, WHY WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE RESERVE EMERGENCY FUND. THAT THAT MONEY IS TAKEN OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND, AND IT CREATES AN EXTRA BARRIER WHERE WE CAN'T DIP INTO IT QUITE SO EASILY. UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S A CONVERSATION WORTH HAVING AS FAR AS, UH, POLICY DISCUSSION. JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP. DO YOU KNOW, UM, PEREZ, IF OTHER CITIES DO THAT, THEY WOULD JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER. YEAH. TAXES, IT'S VERY COMMON PRACTICE AND MOST OF THEM REFERRED TO RAIN DAY FUND. WE USED TO, AND KYLE, WE HAD A SEPARATE EMERGENCY FUND, HOWEVER, DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF, UH, MAYOR BRUCE TODD, THAT WAS ELIMINATED AND WAS CONSOLIDATED INTO GENERAL FUND. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT. IT'S, IT'S A POLICY DECISION. Y'ALL CAN GIVE ME INTERACTION TO CREATE A SPECIAL EMERGENCY FUND SEPARATE AND APART FROM GENERAL FUND. OKAY. AND I THINK HE'S TALK YOU WANT THAT 25% RESERVE TO GO IN THERE? COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY? CORRECT? YES. I MEAN, YEAH. LET'S PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA. . ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THIS HAS BEEN TABLED. DOES THAT NEED TO BE A MOTION? I THINK WE'VE GOT DIRECTION. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS IS RESCINDING HER MOTION, SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT MOTION FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSION. OKAY. I'M TABLING IT. I MEAN, IT'S STILL, IT'S LIKE, I STILL WANT THIS CONSIDERED, IF WE'RE GONNA TABLE THE DISCUSSION, WE SHOULD HAVE AN ACTUAL VOTE. IF WE'RE JUST GIVING HIM DIRECTION TO COME BACK, WE CAN RESCIND THE MOTION EITHER WAY. WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? TABLE. OKAY. IF WE TABLE, THEN JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE. MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, MY PREVIOUS MOTION UNTIL SECOND. UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. SECOND. OKAY. IS THAT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5TH? CORRECT, YES. WHICH IS THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING. OKAY. WE DO HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING IN BETWEEN. YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. UH, ROLL CALL. VOTE MEDINA. YES. FLORES KA. YES. ZAPATA? YES. GZA? YES. TOBIAS? YES. MCKINNEY? YES. HARRIS. YES. RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. UM, YOU'RE WELCOME. NOW IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS, UM, AMENDMENTS BEFORE WE GO BACK TO SECONDS? OKAY. I DO KIND OF HAVE AN AMENDMENT. UM, WE, AND I WAS PART OF THE CITY BEFORE THE GRINCH WAS A GRINCH. UM, AND I, AND I'VE SEEN, I, I'VE SEEN 'EM WORK REALLY HARD, THIS EMPLOYEE. UM, AND I, I GOT A REALLY HARD TIME FROM SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE I SAID, HEY, HE NEEDS A BREAK. WE CAN'T JUST BE USING THE SAME GRINCH ALL THE TIME. AND IT WEARS HIM DOWN. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PAY, BUT IF WE CAN, WELL, IT WILL BE PAYING A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT LIKE SOME KIND OF, UM, EXTRA VACATION TIME WHEN, WHEN THERE'S AN EMPLOYEE THAT DOES THAT, UM, NAMELY HIM, BUT I DON'T WANNA SAY HIS NAME OUT LOUD. UM, JUST LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S TWO OR THREE DAYS EXTRA VACATION TO HELP GIVE HIM A BREAK. UH, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE HOLIDAYS WHEN, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE WITH THEIR FAMILIES. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD LOOK. WELL, IT GETS A LITTLE TECHNICAL HERE. HE'S A POLICE OFFICER. HE'S UNDER MEET AND CONFER. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RULES OF I DO. UM, I'LL HAVE TO TALK TO THE CHIEF, SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. WE CAN ADD A GRINCH ALLOWANCE IF THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA, I I I'VE SEEN IT EVERY YEAR AND I KNOW THEY LOVE DOING WHAT THEY DO, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE THAT WAS WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED [04:20:01] THE GRINCH, IT WAS NOT WHAT IT IS NOW. AND SO, UM, I THINK SOME KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT BY WAY OF EITHER TIME OFF OR PAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FAIR. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BRING THAT BACK IF YOU COULD SURE. TALK ABOUT IT. AND I, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S MY ONLY AMENDMENT. I I LIKE THAT. I THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT HOURS OF PTO FOR EVERY DAY THAT THE GRINCH HAS TO WORK . BUT I, I JUST FEEL SO FAIR, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK SO. I MEAN, HE WORKS HARD, UH, BEING MEAN TO EVERYBODY. HE DOES IT SO WELL, . BUT YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PAYBACK FOR THAT. SURE. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. I THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. SO I'M GONNA LET COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS GO SINCE COUNCIL MEMBER GOZA WENT TWICE. AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. SOMEBODY ELSE HAS NO, OKAY, GO AHEAD, HARRIS. SORRY. UM, I AM, I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT WE'VE CUT OUT SO MANY MARKET DAYS, UM, AND OUR RESIDENTS WHO WERE RELYING ON THAT FOR THEIR INCOME, UM, IT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR THEM. UM, AND THAT WE'VE CUT OUT SO MANY CHRISTMAS ACTIVITIES WHEN THAT WAS A REAL DRAW. UH, BOTH THE MARKET DAYS AND THE CHRISTMAS ACTIVITIES, UH, HERE AT THE PARK DRAW OUT OF TOWN VISITORS. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER USING OUR HOTEL TAX, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE RELATED TO, UM, DRAWING OUTSIDE, UH, PEOPLE TO KYLE, UM, FOR ADDING BACK IN SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. MAYBE ONE DAY, AT LEAST AT CHRISTMAS FOR A MARKET CHRISTMAS MARKET DAY AND THE KIDS CHOIR SINGING. UM, AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF MORE MARKET DAYS. I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN SPENDING THE HOTEL TAX. WE ARE COUNCIL MEMBER WE'RE SPENDING ON KYLE FAIR ON ONE ACTIVITY. YEAH. IT, IT ALMOST, UH, EXCLUSIVELY FUNDS KYLE FAIR. THE, THE ENTIRE EVENT. UH, I THINK THAT THESE DRAW PEOPLE TOO. UM, DR. HARRIS, IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE KYLE LYONS CLUB HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF AND, UH, HEY, CISD TO TRY AND FILL THE GAP ON THAT. UH, THE, THE DOWNTOWN, UH, LIKE THE SANTA EVENT THAT WE, THE PARTS THAT WE HAD TAKEN AWAY WHEN WE DECIDED TO, TO MERGE THE TWO EVENTS. UH, WE DO HAVE A NONPROFIT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW TO, TO TRY AND FILL THAT GAP. HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IT'D STILL BE EXPENSES FOR THE CITY DOING THAT THOUGH. SO, AND, UH, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE, THE MARKET DAYS THAT WE'VE TAKEN OUT TOTALLY OUTTA THE BUDGET. I THINK WE LEFT TWO OUT OF WHAT WE HAD EIGHT TIMES ARE HARD AND I GET IT. THEN WE CAN COME BACK. KYLE FAIR. MAYBE WE ALREADY HAVE. I THINK IT WENT FROM LIKE, YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE CUT EVERYWHERE. AND SO, UM, THE KYLE FAIR IS, BRINGS SO MANY PEOPLE TOGETHER, SO MANY PEOPLE. SO I'M, I'M, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR IN REALLOCATING THAT MONEY. . ALL RIGHT. IS THERE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ZA, I HAD A COMMENT BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT REDUCING OUR NUMBER OF EVENTS ALSO WAS BECAUSE OF THE STRESS AND STRAIN THAT IT PUTS ON OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. AND SO BY DOING EVERY EVENT THAT WE ADD BACK PUTS THAT STRESS AND STRAIN BACK ON THEM ON AN ALREADY EXHAUSTED STAFF. AND SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DOING THAT. UM, I TALKED TO A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT HISTORICALLY, LIKE THE NONPROFITS WERE DOING THESE THINGS AND BRINGING TOGETHER MM-HMM . UM, THE PEOPLE. AND SO I THINK THAT WE, I, I THINK HONESTLY IT BUILDS OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY TO HAVE THESE DIFFERENT ENTITIES INVOLVED IN PUTTING THESE THINGS ON THAT THEY REALLY LOVE. AND SO I THINK WE ARE JUST, WE'RE GOOD RIGHT NOW. LET'S FEEL IT OUT A YEAR AND THEN REVISIT IT AND SEE IF WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING BACK IN. SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS RALLIED TOGETHER. UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST IN A GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, IN MY OPINION. [04:25:02] YEAH. I DON'T DISAGREE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT OVER THE DEFICIT TODAY. WE'RE OVER THE DEFICIT AFTER WE GET THROUGH NEXT YEAR. 'CAUSE OF THE CUTS THAT WE HAD TO MAKE. AND SO UN UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS THE POSITION THAT WE SIT IN AND I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH DOING MORE, MORE EVENTS. I MEAN, AS WE LOOKED AT, AS WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE PARK AND REC STUFF, WE REALIZED AS A COUNCIL THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING DOUBLE WHAT MOST OTHER CITIES DO. SO WHEN THERE'S THESE OTHER EVENTS, THEY'RE USUALLY NOT HELD BY THE CITY. THEY'RE HELD BY NONPROFITS OR ORGANIZATIONS OR FOUNDATIONS. UM, OUR CITY WAS DOING A LOT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I HOPE WE CAN STILL KEEP THE KICKBALL AND THE SPORTS AND EVERYTHING THAT GETS PEOPLE OUTSIDE. BUT, UM, I THINK FOR A LONG TIME WE'VE BEEN HEAVY HANDED ON THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND DEPENDING ON THE CITY TO DO THAT. I REMEMBER ONCE UPON A TIME THE CHAMBERS DID THE KYLE FAIR ON, UH, WHAT IS NOW MR. COLEMAN'S TRACK. UM, AND SO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED, UM, TO BE HEAVILY RELIANT ON THE CITY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, WE GONNA HAVE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYERS? AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY THAT'S WILLING TO DO THAT. I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM STEP UP, BUT MAYBE THEY WILL. YEAH. HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THIS NEXT YEAR. I THINK, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY WAS JUST SAYING THAT THE LIONS CLUB AND THE, AND THE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO FILL THAT GAP AND THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IS IF WE LET THEM. NO, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WAS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE, UM, THESE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, CONTINUE. I AGREE. I AGREE. AND HOPEFULLY WE, WE WILL HAVE LIKE THE HALLOWEEN EVENT AND THE OTHER EVENTS NEXT YEAR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER ZAPATA, UM, I, DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT? NO. OR, OKAY. NO, JUST A DISCUSSION DISCUSS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE DISCUSSION. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE GENERAL FUND. CIP TO REAPPROPRIATE $282,722 FOR THE ROLAND LANE DECELERATION LANE PROJECT. UM, I CONFIRMED WITH STAFF, UH, THAT THERE WAS UNSPENT UNENCUMBERED FUNDS REMAINING OF TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY $2. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IF IT'S UNSPENT AND UNENCUMBERED, IT'S ALREADY REPRESENTED IN OUR GENERAL FUND. CIP OR NOT. I'M GONNA ASK THE STAFF PERSON THAT GAVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. SO THAT WOULD BE HOLLY OR ANDY? UH, YEAH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PROJECT HAS UNENCUMBERED AND UNSPENT MONEY, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, UM, I'D ASK STAFF TO COME BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT PROJECT WAS CANCELED MM-HMM . FOR SOME CONTRACTUAL ISSUES WITH THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S THE RESULT OF WHY IT'S NOT STAFF. OKAY. YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 'CAUSE WE DID PUT OUT SOMETHING ON JULY 1ST, LIKE ON OUR OWN KYLE TEXAS NEWS WEBSITE THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS. YEAH. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHEN IT WAS CANCELED. WELL, WE TOOK A VOTE TOO TO NOT MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. SO, UM, WE, WHEN THE ENGINEER DID THE OPTIONS, WE HAD OPTION ONE AND TWO. OPTION ONE WOULD EXTEND IT OVER THE RAILROAD TRACK. AT THE TIME WE WERE TRYING TO ENTER A AGREEMENT, REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WITH U UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ENCROACHING ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY. SO THEY NEED TO REVIEW THE PLANS. WHERE WE CANNOT REACH AN, WHERE WE CANNOT REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM IS WE WANTED TO CAP THAT REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR THEIR REVIEW FEES. AND THEY WANNA LEAVE, THEY WANTED TO LEAVE IT OPEN-ENDED SO THEY COULD INVOICE, UM, THEY COULD EXCEED THAT AMOUNT. SO, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE COULD NOT REACH AN AGREEMENT AND THEN WENT TO OPTION B. OPTION B WOULD CONTAIN OUR DESIGN WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ENCROACHING THE UNION PACIFIC RIGHT OF WAY. HOWEVER, WHEN WE TOOK THAT PLAN, REACH OUT TO TDOT, TDOT DIRECTED US TO STILL REACH OUT TO UP TO REACH AN AGREEMENT. SO THIS IS WHERE I SAID TEXTILE KIND OF FOLLOWED. OKAY. COMPLEX. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT WAS CANCELED AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED. WHEN WE LOOK AT FUTURE ROWLAND LANE IMPROVEMENT, WE CAN, UM, BRING THIS BACK FOR CONSIDERATION. OKAY. OKAY. THEN I'LL TABLE THAT ONE AND THEN REPLACE IT WITH THE CR 1 58. [04:30:01] UM, DECELERATION LANE IMPROVEMENT. UH, WE HAVE UNSPENT AND UNENCUMBERED EXISTING FUNDS OF $306,204 AND 59 CENTS, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO USE IN FY 27 TO COMPLETE THE DECELERATION LANE IMPROVEMENTS. WE'VE ALREADY, UH, RAN THIS PROJECT THROUGH ENGINEERING AND I BELIEVE, LIKE WE'RE WRAPPING UP ON DESIGN. UM, I'M SURE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAVE IN MY NOTES AS A LAST UPDATE. UM, WAS THIS PEREZ, WAS THIS ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT WE HAD THAT WE VOTED YES AND VOTED NO? YEAH, WE WENT THROUGH THIS. UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE CITY ENGINEER TO STEP UP HERE TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE Y'ALL AN UPDATE ON CR 1 58 WHERE IT IS. AND WILL THIS MONEY BE ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING? OKAY. THANK YOU. COME ON LEON. . I THINK WE NEED A MICROPHONE IN THE BACK TOO. I HAVE TO WALK OVER HERE. SINCE WE VOTED ON THIS EARLIER THIS YEAR. CAN THIS BE BROUGHT BACK YET THERE, COUNSEL? I'VE BEEN ACTUALLY BEEN, UM, OUT OF THE PICTURE OF MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE LAST I HEARD OF THE PROJECT WAS THAT IT WAS CANCELED OR PUT ON ON HOLD. THAT'S THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF LOU HAS ANY OTHER INFORMATION. THIS IS WHEN MIKE TRIMBLE WENT, RIGHT. THERE WAS A PROJECT BY PROJECT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND Y'ALL DECIDED WHICH ONES WOULD BE DEFERRED, WHICH ONES WOULD MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. AND I THINK THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT BACK IS BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO DONE BEFORE WE HAD THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO WE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE BUDGET AT THE TIME, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, FILL OUR RESERVES OR BE ABOVE OUR RESERVES. UM, AND SO YEAH, I I GUESS THE QUESTION STILL STANDS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT $306,204 WOULD COMPLETE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS. I HAVE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S ABOUT A $500,000 PROJECT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH. I DON'T KNOW. WAS THE DESIGN COMPLETED? YEAH, THE DESIGN WAS COMPLETED. OKAY. THAT WAS THE PLAN. CONSTRUCTION COST WAS HALF A MILLION. HALF A MILLION. OKAY. AND THE, UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WAS THERE. SO WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 280 SOMETHING THOUSAND OF THAT. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE UNSPENT UNENCUMBERED OF 306,204 TO FINISH IF WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH DESIGN. UM, AND THAT 306,000 WOULD BE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHEN WE DID THE JUNE 13TH PRESENTATION FOR ALL THE CIP, THAT WAS A NEWLY, UM, ESTIMATED BUDGET THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS VOTED ON. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED HALF A MILLION TO YES. FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE, THE SCHEMATICS ARE COMPLETE. LOU'S SAYING THAT THEY, THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE PLANS, SO I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO TAKE IT OVER THE FINISH LINE. WE PUT IT OFF BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT SEEMED TO BE IMMEDIATELY NECESSARY BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON THAT ROAD. AND IT WAS FROM MY MEMORY, AN UNFUNDED PROJECT. AND SO WE DECIDED COLLECTIVELY AS A BODY IN ORDER TO PASS ON THAT PROJECT AT THIS POINT OR TO DELAY IT. AND THEN I GOT THE UPDATED BUDGET TO WHERE WE DO HAVE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. WOULD THAT BE COMING OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND? UH, IT'S UNDER THE GENERAL FUND. CIP IS WHERE IT WAS FIRST. SO GENERAL FUND. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE OUR GENERAL FUND? IF WE HAPPEN TO APPROVE THIS? IT STILL LEAVES US OVER A MILLION PER, AS YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF 'CAUSE THAT THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF WE DO THE, THE RAISES EITHER, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. UM, I DIDN'T NEED A BUDGET TO TELL ME WHAT, WHAT I NEEDED TO DO BACK THEN. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. I, I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT THE SCHEMATICS ARE DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF GRANT FROM TXDOT OR WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TXDOT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, UM, FIND SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS. UM, 'CAUSE IF IT'S 500,000 THEN AND WE ONLY HAVE 300,000, THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER 200,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL LIKE HALF A MILLION. SO WITH ALL THESE NUMBERS GOING DOWN AND US BEING UNSURE, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD AS WE DEPLETE ALL THE WAY DOWN [04:35:01] TO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO GET BACK INTO THE DEFICIT AGAIN. SO I APPRECIATE IT. AND LEON, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. I KNOW YOU HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF IT, NOT BY YOUR OWN CHOICE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO YOU TO TELL YOU YOU'RE DOING GOOD. SO I APPRECIATE, IT'S LIKE I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S, I'M HAVING FUN TRYING TO CATCH UP. , IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK. . ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, IS THAT A CONVERSATION? IS THAT A MOTION? DO WE WANNA BRING IT BACK WHEN WE HAVE MORE NUMBERS? I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE HAD 500,000. WE SPENT 280, SOMETHING OF THAT. WE HAVE 306,000 LEFT, WHICH WOULD COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION COST. WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO ADD INITIAL 200,000 'CAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS A HALF A MILLION, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, SO WE HAVE 300,000, SO WE NEED ANOTHER 200,000. ALL RIGHT. SO DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION OR DO YOU WANNA HOLD OFF? CAN WE GET UPDATED NUMBERS ON THAT SO WE HAVE LIKE A MORE TOTAL COST OF LIKE, WHAT THAT WOULD COST LIKE TO AS AS CLEARLY DEFINED AS WE CAN GET IT? UH, LOU, UH, LOU JUST GAVE US THAT HALF A MILLION. THE LATEST ESTIMATE FOR CONSTRUCTION IS HALF A MILLION. CAN WE, OKAY. WHAT, WHAT, UM, I GUESS WHERE DO THE UNSPENT AND UNENCUMBERED FUNDS SIT THEN? IS THAT THE PART THAT, DOES THAT GO INTO LIKE MAKING UP THE SURPLUS AMOUNT? UH, NO. SO EITHER THEY GET REPROGRAMMED OR THEY STAY IN THAT CIP FUND AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, THE MAIN MM-HMM . GENERAL FUND. OKAY. SO AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, WE DO HAVE 306,000 THAT'S CORRECT. APPROPRIATED FOR IT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE CAN PUT IT IF YOU DO, WE WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN TOO. YEAH. CAN WE MAYBE ADD IT TO THE NEXT YEAR IF ALL WE NEED IS 200,000? NOT NEXT YEAR, BUT THE YEAR AFTER THAT IN 28? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S ZA CR 1 58 IS A COUNTY ROAD. IT IS, YES. SO I THINK WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE COUNTY FOR COST SHARING. I MEAN, I HAVE TO ASK WHY WE ARE SPENDING MONEY TO IMPROVE THE ENTRANCE INTO A COUNTY ROAD. YEP. UH OH. HERE COMES LEON . LEON, YOU MIGHT JUST WANNA TAKE A SEAT RIGHT UP HERE. FRONT , I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE SAME THING WE DID WITH POST ROAD. IT WAS A COUNTY ROAD. WE IMPROVED IT AND THEN WE BOUGHT IT AFTER WE IMPROVED IT. I GO AHEAD. COUNTY ROAD 1 58 IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY UP TO POST ROAD. AFTER THAT IT DOES GO INTO THE COUNTY. SO IT IS, IT'S WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS IT IN OUR JURISDICTION. OKAY. SO SPECIFICALLY THERE RIGHT AT, AT 35, ALL THE WAY TO POST IS TO POST ROAD. THAT'S AS FAR AS IT GOES. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY. THEN I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND OR MAKE A MOTION, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER MADE ONE OFFICIALLY TO ADD THE NECESSARY AMOUNT TO REACH THE $500,000 IN FY 28. UM, SO WHATEVER, 500,000, LET MAKE A MOTION. WE GOTTA DO A SECOND. OH, SORRY, SECOND. I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 2027. 2028. UM, A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SPADA SECOND BY MYSELF. THERE. DISCUSSION. I'LL BE GONE BY THEN. STOP THAT. JESUS. OKAY. UM, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE MCKINNEY. YES. GZA? NO. HARRIS? YES. FLORES. KALE? YES. MEDINA? NO. ZAPATA? YES. TOBIAS? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TO TWO. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, FOR THE PLUM CREEK TRAFFIC, UH, CALMING, WE DID HAVE, UH, $4,751 APPROVED, I THINK IN 26 OR 27, BUT IT WAS LIKE ZEROED OUT AND I THINK IT WAS FOR ENGINEERING, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THE ENGINEER, IF THAT WAS TO COMPLETE THE ENGINEERING STUDIES OR BECAUSE WE REMOVED THAT 4,700. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS. LOU, WAS THAT THE, UM, SPEED TABLE AT SANDERS? YES. SO THE PROJECT'S BEEN FINISHED AND SO THEY CLOSED OUT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. I WAS LIKE WHERE? OH, ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE TRUE TO MYSELF, UH, IF I [04:40:01] DIDN'T MAKE THIS NEXT, UH, AMENDMENT, BUT AMEND THE FY 26 27 GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO REDUCE APPROPRIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY'S FLOCK CONTRACTS BY THE AMOUNT OF $432,000 AND TAKE THE NECESSARY COMPANION ACTION TO TERMINATE THOSE CONTRACTS EFFECTIVE. AND FY 27. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ADA. NO SECOND. IT FAILS FOR A LACK OF A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? I, COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF CIRCLING BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. UM, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NO REDUCTION IN THE, THE POLICE, UM, MAN, I JUST WENT TOTALLY BLANK. IT'S GETTING LATE. THE VEHICLE LEASING THE YEAH, YEAH. THE, SO THE PLEA, YEAH. SO YOU'RE GETTING, I DON'T KNOW, INCOMPLETE INFORMATION, WRONG INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOURCE IS. WELL, HERE'S COUNT, HERE'S COMMANDER GRIFFIN. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE DISCUSSION I HAD WITH CHIEF DURING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE WERE LOOKING AT 10% SALARY REDUCTION CITYWIDE. AT THAT POINT, WE HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH 10% REDUCTIONS IN LINE ITEM BUDGET FOR EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT. THE CHIEF OF POLICE VOLUNTEERED TO COME UP WITH $330,000 IN SAVINGS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO 10% SALARY REDUCTION. HE WAS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ALONG WITH PUBLIC WORKS PARKS AND ONE OTHER DEPARTMENT, WATER UTILITY WATER UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. HIS REDUCTION THAT HE IDENTIFIED WAS I BELIEVE SEVEN WRECKED LEASED VEHICLES THAT WERE SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT THAT HE WOULD NOT RELEASE NEW REPLACEMENTS. THAT'S HOW THE $330,000 CAME UP WITH. NOW HE HAS A $22 MILLION BUDGET, PROPOSED BUDGET. HE HAS THE OPTION TO FIND THAT $330,000 ANYWHERE HE WISHES. BUT I'M GOING TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE $330,000 REDUCTION HE GAVE US TO AVOID THE 10% SALARY REDUCTION. IT'S NOT FAIR FOR ME TO GO BACK TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND DIP INTO THEIR BUDGET TO MAKE UP WHAT HE DOESN'T THINK HE CAN DELIVER AFTER HE MADE THAT ASSURANCE. SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE THE POLICE CHIEF IS AWARE OF THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE. SO HE'S RETURNING BACK FROM HIS DEPLOYMENT TOMORROW AND I INTEND TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THIS FIRSTHAND. OKAY. SO IF, IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, UM, THEN THAT CHANGES THE AMENDMENT. I WAS GOING TO MAKE, UH, BELIEVE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER 60,000 BUDGETED FOR, UH, OFFICER TRAINING, WHICH IS, UH, LITTLE LESS THAN A THIRD OF WHAT, UH, WE NORMALLY BUDGET. I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO RAISE THAT TO 150,000 FOR OFFICER TRAINING FOR THE YEAR. THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? YES. GENERAL FUND RESERVE OR GENERAL FUND CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE? I'LL, I'LL SAY GENERAL FUND RESERVE. DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? YES. I MAKE A MOTION TO INCREASE THE ALLOCATION FOR OFFICER TRAINING TO 150,000 COMING OUT OF GENERAL FUND RESERVE. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY. I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. THERE MAY BE REASONS, UM, THAT HIS TRAINING BUDGET IS OKAY TO BE REDUCED. WE MAY BE TRAINING FEWER NEW OFFICERS. UM, OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE ALREADY ON LINE MAY ALREADY HAVE THE TRAININGS THAT THEY NEED. UM, SO THE REDUCED AMOUNT MAY BE CLIN. I'D PREFER TO WAIT AND HEAR [04:45:01] FROM THE CHIEF ABOUT HIS NEEDS. WE HAVE COMMANDER GRIFFITH HERE WHO IS ACTING CHIEF TODAY. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN HELP . HE'S LIKE, KINDA THANK YOU. UH, TIM GRIFFITH FOR THE RECORD. YEAH, THE, UM, THE REDUCTION WAS JUST PART OF OUR INITIAL REDUCTIONS WHEN WE DID THE 10% CUT. SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRAINING WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A NEED FOR FOR MORE. UM, AND SO YEAH, ANY, ANY AMOUNT WE PUT IN THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE GOOD FOR, FOR INCREASED TRAINING. SO IT'S, I I COULDN'T TELL YOU IT WOULD BE LESS FOR SURE. SO CAN YOU GIVE US LIKE THE TOP THREE TRAININGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS? UH, MOST OF IT IS IN SERVICE TRAINING. WE HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE TO PUT ON FOR, UM, ACCREDITATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO DRIVING TRAINING, SHOOTING TRAINING, UM, USE OF FORCE TRAINING. UH, MAN, IT'S AN ENDLESS NUMBER. UM, AND THEY ALL WORK ON DIFFERENT, UH, TIMEFRAMES. RIGHT? SOME OF 'EM YOU HAVE TO DO EVERY TWO YEARS. SOME YOU HAVE TO DO EVERY YEAR. SOME WE CHOOSE TO DO EVERY YEAR AND MORE OFTEN BECAUSE WE WANT OUR OFFICERS TO BE MORE AND BETTER TRAINED. UM, SO THERE'S JUST AS A PART OF OUR BUDGET REDUCTION FOR THIS YEAR AND EVERYONE'S TRYING, IF WE TALKED ABOUT TO DO OUR PART, WE HAVE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF IN-SERVICE TRAINING WE DO. AND WE WOULD LIKE, WE, WE NEED TO GET BACK INTO THAT FOR THE FUTURE YEARS. SO. AND WHAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT YOU GUYS NORMALLY SPEND? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ON TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. MOST OF THE TRAINING IS REQUIRED. STATE MANDATED. UM, THAT COMES THROUGH TCLS. A LOT OF THESE OFFICERS HAVE TO REQUIRE THEIR LICENSES EVERY YEAR. SO THERE IS SPECIFIC TYPE OF TRAINING THAT THEY WOULD NEED. CODES IS ONE OF THEM. IT'S A WEEK LONG DEAL. UM, YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR FIRST AID. YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR A ED, UH, YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR FIRING RANGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THAT'S, UH, THAT GETS, UH, GETS EXPENSIVE. AND OVER TIME THE STATE HAS INCREASED THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED TRAINING. LIKE WE'RE NOW REQUIRED TO DO ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING. MM-HMM . EVERY, EVERY YEAR. AND SO THOSE REQUIRED TRAININGS DO INCREASE. UM, SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT OUR, OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET LINE ITEM WAS. UM, SO, BUT I KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL CUTS WERE PART OF THE ATTEMPT TO REDUCE. SO HOW DOES IT LOOK WHEN YOU GUYS GO TO TRAINING? DO YOU GET REIMBURSED OR DO THEY PAY FOR IT UPFRONT? IT IS, UH, PAID FOR UPFRONT. UH, THE TRAINING ITSELF IS PAID FOR UPFRONT IF IT REQUIRES TRAVEL. UM, THEY SUBMIT ALL THE PAPERWORK AHEAD OF TIME AND RECEIVE THEIR GSA TRAVEL RATES RIGHT. TO, TO TRAVEL. MOST OF THE TRAINING WE TRY AND DO IN HOUSE, MOST OF THE TRAINING WE TRY AND DO HERE. SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE TRAVEL. SO IT'S ALL PAID FOR BY THE AGENCY. YEAH. SO THE GOAL IS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER WAS TO HAVE THE TRAINING INHOUSE THAT WE CAN ALSO BRING IN OTHER AGENCIES, WHICH IF YOU GO TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER LOT, YOU HAVE OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE THERE. SO, SO ONE, ONE THING THAT I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED FOR YOU GUYS IS TO FINALLY HAVE YOUR OWN ACADEMY THERE WHERE YOU COULD DO YOUR FIRST AID, ALL THAT CPR STUFF, INCLUDING SOME OF YOUR GROUND TECHNIQUES AND YOUR DEFENSE TACTICS AND ALL THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO SOME OTHER PLACE TO GET ALL THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S THE, THE OVERALL GOAL. BUT, BUT AS FAR AS FOR NOW, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE NEWER OFFICERS THAT COME ONLINE, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR, UH, YEARLY, UM, MANDATED COURSES IN AND STAY CERTIFIED ON THAT. YEAH. THE, THE, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PATROL OPERATIONS IS JUST ONE OF THE BUREAUS FROM THE DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN AND OF ITSELF. SO, SO WE DIDN'T REQUIRE THOSE CUTS. THOSE WERE OFFERED UP BY THE CHIEF. YEAH, THESE WERE CUTS MADE, UH, WHEN WE, THE INITIAL LIKE 10% CUTS THAT WERE MADE OF THIS WAS A WHILE BACK MM-HMM . THAT WE LIKE RESEARCH. I WOULD ASSUME THAT HE WOULD NOT BE CUTTING ANY REQUIRED TRAINING THAT WOULD BE UNWISE. UM, SO HE, HE CUT SOMETHING ELSE . UM, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THIS UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD NEVER SAY WE WOULD CUT REQUIRED TRAINING. SURE. UM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT HE INTENDED. CORRECT. YEAH. I WASN'T, WASN'T PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. SO COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINNEY, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH TABLING THIS UNTIL WE CAN SPEAK TO CHIEF BURNETT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. UM, DOES IT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND? SO DOES HE JUST NEED TO, SO YOU CAN EITHER RESCIND YOUR MOTION AND THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER HAS WRITTEN DOWN TO BRING THIS BACK, OR YOU CAN MOTION TO THE TABLE LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS DID AND WE'LL COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER 5TH. IT'S UP TO YOU [04:50:01] FOR THE SAKE OF TIME I'LL RESCIND MY MOTION. . OKAY. THANK YOU. IT WILL COME BACK. . ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? WE'RE DONE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ADJOURNED. NOPE. NO, I LIED. WE HAVE TO . WELL, IT'S 11. OKAY. WE STILL AT THE TOP? WE, WE GOTTA DO OH, THE VOTING ON THE TOPS? YES, WE DO. YOU'RE RIGHT. OH, OKAY. WHERE'S THAT AT? YOU HAVE SPECIFIC VERBIAGE I KNOW THAT YOU GET TO READ. SO ON YOUR SCREEN BEFORE YOU ARE THE THREE TAX RATES THAT CAN BE POSSIBLY ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE TO PUBLISH NOTICE BEFORE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRST, UH, READING OF THE ORDINANCE SO THAT THESE ARE THE THREE TAX RATES WE TALKED ABOUT. YOU CAN CHOOSE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, YOU CAN GO WITH OPTION NUMBER 1 56 0 0. YOU CAN GO WITH OPTION NUMBER 2 53 40. IF WE GO WITH THE HIGHER ONE, WE CAN ALWAYS BRING IT DOWN, RIGHT? YES. CAN WE MAKE MOTIONS ALREADY? MM-HMM . YOU CAN. OKAY. THEN I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, I GET, HOW WOULD I PHRASE THIS? APPROVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX RATE. OPTION NUMBER ONE SECOND. AND THEY RATE AT A 56 0 0. MM-HMM. YES. 50, I GUESS 0.56 PER 100 TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SAPA AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? JUST COMMENT. UM, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT REACHED OUT TO ME AND THAT I SPOKE WITH WERE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO A HIGHER, UH, TAX SAVINGS ON THEIR BILL, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH COUNTY TAXES. AND THEY WERE ASKING ME TO, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE FOR OPTION NUMBER TWO BECAUSE THAT STILL BRINGS US WITHIN OUR BUDGET, UM, STILL GIVES US, WHAT WAS IT, $52,000 EXTRA. UM, BUT GIVES THE BIGGEST CUSHION FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THOSE TAXES ON THEIR HOMES, THE HOMEOWNERS. SO I WILL SAY GOING WITH THE LARGER RATE WILL BE EASIER TO BRING DOWN THAN IT WILL BE DOING THE LOWER RATE AND THEN BRINGING IT UP. IS THAT RIGHT? ONCE WE PUBLISH IT, THAT'S IT. WE CAN EXCEED IT UNLESS WE CHANGE THE MEETING DATES AND RE-NOTICE EVERYTHING. OKAY. SO I'M, I JUST TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS LOWER IT IN THE FUTURE, BUT ONCE WE HIT THAT LOW RATE, WE CAN'T BRING IT BACK UP. SO ARE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH, WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MEDINA? YEAH, I CAN BE OKAY WITH IT. I CAN STILL VOTE NO. SO . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN I GET A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE. ZAPATA? YES. MEDINA? NO. GZA, NO. MCKINNEY? YES. HARRIS? YES. TOBIAS? YES. FLORES KALE? YES. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TO TWO. THANK YOU. YOU ARE WELCOME. ARE WE ADJOURNED NOW? YAY. GO HOME. GO HOME. DRIVE SAFE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.